RHAP: We Know Survivor - Peridiam on Survivor B&B: S47 Ep 9

Episode Date: November 17, 2024

Mike and Liana are joined by Peridiam for Episode 9!

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My name is Mike Bloom and after a bit of Saul searching, I am in consolation mode as we are here to memorialize one of the more popular characters of the season so far. Of course, I'm not alone in an episode or at least half of it that was all about partnerships. I'm thrilled to be joined by my forever partner on the B&B, Liana Boris. Oh, thanks, Mike. Yeah, I'm also very solid. It's just been a tough, a tough week with this, you know, so I'll really jumped up and I think became a fan favorite. And look, I'm also very solid. It's just been a tough, a tough week with this. You know, Saul really jumped up and I think became a fan favorite. And look, I don't want to spoil anything for the game that we're going to play today.

But the casuals also really loved him. So it is a bit sad to have him ultimately get voted out here. But yeah, what an episode with a lot of challenges, a lot of scrambling and a lot to talk about. Well, we're going to get into his down-sol, definitely. But I'm very excited to welcome this guy in, as we always do. And I don't know, Liana, you've been looking into these internet streets for what the casuals are thinking, but this guy is one of the most tuned in to what's going on on Survivor on the internet,

considering he's putting out content week after week uh more hard working than people standing on pegs uh grunting it out as jeff probes says that they can all be secretive peridium but then also calling out how they're doing at the challenges hey thank you guys for having me uh i was gonna say it's all good man it's all good you know saul's gone we're going with the salt puns he said say, Saul, good man. It's all good. You know, Saul's gone. We're going with the Saul puns. He said it on the episode. I know.

It's all good. He said the thing. He said the name. Yeah. No, happy to be here. Of course, of course. It wouldn't be a season of Survivor if I can't talk, if I can't check into the B&B.

So here we are, week nine. It feels like finally, I say in one respect, we're getting our feet out under us maybe one foot because again we do have a little bit of something to derail the format in the first half of this episode as we go to what seems to be the now seasonal break into groups and then compete as individuals challenge uh with the extra twist thrown in as we saw in 45 of okay 40 of the group is going to lose their vote, and then 75% of those people are going to earn their vote back. But it ends up culminating in what I thought was

such a fun second half of the episode, even if it is much ado about nothing. I hope people realize when they look back on this season and they look at the voting chart, don't just remember this as like an open and shut unanimous vote against Saul. There was a lot of enjoyment and havoc to be had in the second half of this episode.

Priyam, give me your thoughts about sort of the tale of two stories we got in this particular installment and your thoughts about Survivor 47 up to this point. Yeah, I agree with you there with the eight to one vote. It was very jarring. I watched and I was like, wait, what? Wait, what did I, I agree with you there with the eight to one vote. It was very jarring. I watched and I was like, wait, what?

Wait, what did I? I felt I kind of missed something. I was like, they just dogpiled. But I also think that there was it's more like it's not about the end. It's about the journey, not the destination a little bit. Well, it was about a journey.

There was one in this episode. And we got the journey, of course, classic, classic, modern, new era survivor. But no, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the episode for the most part. I think that the second half was very much different than the first half where you split the middle with the challenge, which was like good 10, 15 minutes or so. It's pretty long. But they've done this pretty much every new era season at this point.

And I was remarking on how I thought the second half was very interesting because i love i like the tribal council actually i usually find myself more in tune with the camp life stuff and the strategy there and then we go to tribal and it's like all right here we go and it's a little more routine p it's a little like everybody just keeps their carts themselves and but this time i was loving it because there was so much of like this little it was like the quietest live tribal in a minute they were so polite they all stayed in their seats basically until jeff gave them permission right jeff was remarking about it you know teeny was like could you just repeat the question please i'm sorry and uh they were talking jeff was like asking them questions about how they're whispering to each other and i counted there was like 15 different interactions before

it actually became live which i feel like has to be a record for the amount of times that people just didn't get i'm like when somebody's got to get up i would almost like hoping that they didn't get up because i was like this is going to be the quietest live tribal ever where they're all just panicking silently in their seats just like what's going on i'm like there's so many i don't even know i'm having trouble following who is lost where because i was like the votes seem to line up well with each faction they should have the votes from their perspective and they're all confused and then all of a sudden it became eight to one and now i'm confused um and overall i've

been enjoying this season a lot i think that's been the common sentiment online i agree with that usually not too uncommon but i like it i think it's pretty good we've had a great cast uh every episode's been good i really don't think there's been any like episodes questionable ones i will agree with liana last week i think it was last week auction why do we not why do we gamify the auction it doesn't need to be gamified i will say that's one of my biggest criticisms of this season but it also applies to 45 that was two seasons ago so it's nothing particularly unique and honestly i don't think it's going to change much it's a small thing to complain about in the big picture and i think overall i've liked 47 quite a lot so i think i'm hoping i'm hoping that we continue this trend because i feel like 45 46 47 has been a great

trio back back to back and i'm worried that like 48 won't now but we'll see well i mean you know look if it doesn't end up being bad that's okay we have each other we can all talk about it right so let's create a community of solace just on the office solace i know you're welcome so uh look i would say for me this episode was interesting because on one hand there was the excitement of oh my god who's actually gonna go and all of the scramble and you know it's like oh well i thought we were gonna do kyle we're not doing sue and then that really seemingly teeny suggestion of wanting to do kyle that seemed to be the tipping point where everything just seemingly exploded after that, because now there were no longer two sides. Now there were sort of three things that people were trying to decide between, which I think really created a ton of chaos.

At least that's the narrative that we saw in the scramble and then also continuing seemingly into the quietest live tribal council. Yeah, that was the thing was like it didn't even seem like there was so much up in the air as people being like i don't know what to decide it was just more so confusion of okay wait so this is the plan right like that seemed to be more of the 15 or so check-ins that perot is talking about was just people whispering each other being like yeah okay we're voting this person right it wasn't necessarily i don't know what my options are. Again, it seemed like the vote was pretty locked in, that it was basically going to be like the two Goose plus Rachel and Andy.

And then my Occam's razor, and maybe we'll find this out at the beginning of next episode or through exit press or whatever, was like, yeah, everyone pretty much got that once Rachel and Andy weren't budging, then like everyone else decided to jump on board. That's the weird thing about

this very unique type of disarray was that it was less about oh my god anyone could go it was more so like yeah what did we agree upon i don't really remember can we all try to get on the same page here uh and so especially when you look back in retrospect it's um when you see saul like get up and start whispering it kind of becomes unfortunately like the last gasps in a manner of speaking of someone that is drowning that only found out he was drowning about six hours ago and I mean I understand why the editors don't want to give it away but at the same time I'm now just imagining that tribal council all the whispering was just like okay but we're still doing Saul right or like no i'm i'm doing salt like that's why i imagine rachel talking to sam for example where sam is

trying desperately to get the vote to flip and it's probably just rachel and and andy being like no no like we're doing sam or something that we're doing salt like something like that where it's actually not that exciting it's just confirmatory because you can see sam like trying to scramble but like ultimately he even ends up voting out saul was uh did saul confirm i know i didn't listen to his exit press but did he confirm that it was like they just realized that rachel and andy because i was like from the perspective of the lavos or really just teeny and saul they looked like they would have had genevieve the whole they felt it seemed like they would have had Genevieve the whole, they felt, it seemed like they thought they had Genevieve the whole time, but obviously we knew they didn't.

She was pretty much the cat. She was the orchestrator of all this, all this ruckus, right? It could have been a simple, could have been a simple Sam vote, I guess, but lava was freaking out and they thought they had her.

So I'm like, Oh, so they knew they had Sam for sure. He's the one who's basically blowing it all up. And then Rachel really wasn't shown too much And I was like well they think they have Andy Which is an interesting read but I'm like Why wouldn't they think they have Andy

What have we gotten that suggests they don't have Andy Like why wouldn't they I don't know From what Saul told me He didn't play his shot in the dark Because he felt like if anything it would be a very Tight margin and he didn't want to Necessarily get himself voted out basically he had said that uh he had felt that one of the reasons why he didn't play sean dark is because he felt he had rachel and andy on his side okay

what's interesting is the genevieve of it all he's told me and i think he's told other people as well but he wasn't like completely surprised maybe more so retrospect, that Genevieve voted against him, considering that despite maybe some of the conversations they got over their shared misery towards Rome, they never really were on the same page from the very beginning when Saul was part of

that movement by Asia to try to get Genevieve voted out. And so maybe they just made nice. And so I think Saul eventually knew it was coming i think the larger piece of discussion which he brings up as well is like is this way too early uh and this is i mean i guess we had this conversation with the kishan vote as well so maybe we just think with genevieve if it ain't broke don't fix it and for whatever reason genevieve is able to get by on like a motorcycle that's taped together with

duct tape, despite the fact that anyone else who tries to sit on it, it would instantly fall apart. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. Is it too early? I don't know.

I don't think, I think she's not receiving much blowback. Everybody's in her pocket to some extent, and at least as much as you can with 10 people. And she, she even says right after the vote, I can't that worked something like that i was like yeah good for her like i mean i think it's good for her i can't tell we have the she is the luxury of all of us speculating how is this going to affect her end game where it's like some players are like are

they going to be around next week is kyle going to be voted out finally genevieve is like i'm going to blow things up for some reason because i'm being petty and we're like oh okay is this gonna win her the game maybe i don't know we'll see oh my gosh well first of all the when um genevieve said i can't believe that worked to me it was juxtaposed with teeny's reaction teeny's sobbing i love it it's so sad because they're also both like they're the two remaining Lavo and to see just the absolute alpha and omega the emotional spectrum be carried across opposite sides of tribal council as well

it's so good exactly when you think like oh that's the Lavo three and the other two you know the two other Lavo members completely different reactions to Saul going home wild it's funny to think about i didn't really think about that i was like oh yeah they're the only two red players left wow what a from the

very beginning i would never have predicted that that's where the lava tribe was headed with teeny and she's on the bottom and then you got you got uh genevieve over there calling all the shots basically looking like a mastermind at this point it's like oh interesting didn't see this coming yeah it's interesting because like i think of the three tribes i probably would have pegged lavo as like the one to cannibalize themselves first just because like there was such an obnoxious mixture of personalities delightfully so that's like true they were gonna take each other i think we had assumed that the three lavos would have been tighter than we thought because like hell, hell, even last episode, it was presented as like, well, they're the ones that are making the decisions.

And this just came out of nowhere, though it didn't apparently for Genevieve, that she's like, great, now I have the opportunity to take out Saul. And it's like, what? And Genevieve, she just, she mystifies me. And I wonder if it's the fact that, is Genevieve looking for a stallion to tame

because she joins up she joins up with rome right and like rome proves himself to be this agent of chaos and granted there is a certain point where genevieve is either like i don't want to work with him anymore or like i gotta cut bait he's too much of a liability but like think about the other people that she has reached out to to work with exclusively andy and now in this episode even like prior to gabe winning immunity she's like i want to work with gabe i think she feels that she is able to like attach herself to these players of absolute entropy and either ride them to the end and like hope she gets the votes over them or like essentially abuse and use them and discard them of like all right i'm gonna use them as a shield as long as it takes and like once they prove too unstable then i'm gonna ditch them and so maybe the reason why genevieve decided to hitch her wagon to tuku and decide to dispose of sol is

maybe she felt he was too solid in a manner of speaking. I did kind of think I kind of was harkening back on this kind of wild take for some people but like kind of reminded me a bit of Tony Vaca was just clipping a number that he didn't need early in the merge of like Kageyan or something where it's like yeah I can get rid of LJ we don't need him like we've kind of

got numbers on all sides like in her case she's kind of like I got the blue tribe over here but then I've also got these underdogs like teeny what's teeny gonna do you know or and like teeny's in my pocket i guess we'll see we'll see how that goes but i wouldn't be shocked if you know teeny goes back and decides to work with genevieve i could see it happening uh then you've got the tribe who are basically i mean what the hell's going on with that tribe? We got Andy, who is all on his own little island, but he's with Genevieve more than almost anybody. Sam, who is, I don't know what he's doing.

And Rachel, they're like all individuals. So I'm like, actually, this isn't the worst move ever. On paper, I think people will question it, but I think that this could easily pay off and buy plenty of time. There's certain extra numbers in any situation where you're like, I don't need Saul. I don't think i need him at this point yeah and he's just a threat and he apparently he's just super likable everyone likes the guy at fair like we all like him too so maybe

there's something to it so i'm like you know what why not and it gave us a really fun like 30 minutes at the end let's just keep it going like i'd rather that than well actually that's not true because it's a final nine it could have been a close five to four vote. Maybe it would have been, maybe we were good either way. I don't know. So I, I sort of have a few different things when I think about Genevieve's decision. So the first is, okay, obviously you want numbers. And when we think of numbers, we think of those three, the three Lavos as, oh, well, they're the three Lavos. They survived, you know, the whole Lavo debacle altogether. They're probably pretty close, but I don't think that that's actually true. Right. Even Genevieve says, I've been holding this grudge from Rome getting voted out against

Saul. That's part of the reason why she was motivated to get rid of him. And if she's found other people, she has stronger connections with those are her numbers. So she thinks that she has the numbers with them, but to us, it looks weird because we just assumed that those three were together. Because when she first wanted to take out Saul, I was like, what is wrong with you? And then I had to think, okay, what I'm being presented versus what the reality probably is looks different. So I think that that's one thing to consider

that she probably still has the numbers without Saul. The other thing kind of goes to Mike's point earlier about the wild stallion-ness of it all. I don't know if i think it's that i think it's who she thinks she can beat because i in the best case scenario you go to final five with any you could beat any one of those people so she's trying to like sort of assemble that group and she's perceived saul to be very likable someone who could take the votes away from her that's someone who she wants to get rid of and rather roll the dice with other people if she's able to make it to the end

with them. What I do think is interesting is, listen, as we found out as recent as last season, prognosticating jury votes is, you know, as good as predicting the weather three months out. You never know what will happen when we put pen to parchment but it is interesting to already sort of like get a sense as to what's happening i know the internet has certainly been stumping from a certain perspective for like the caroline who is like probably one of the most solid players despite the fact that she didn't vote this episode but then like there's a moment i don't know if y'all saw this where like caroline says she doesn't have a voted tribal council and it cuts to Sierra on the jury saying good. Oh, I wrote that down.

Like, Ooh, I want to know what happened there. What I do think is interesting is that like, listen, am I, if I'm teeny, am I devastated to lose Saul as a person? Yes. Theoretically teeny now has two people on the jury that stand a fairly good chance of voting for them should they make it to the end so yes you're sort of expending people in the game that would take you to the end i think both of them have kind of confirmed that they would want to take teeny to the end with them but at the same time you are doing ideally what survivor players want to do

in the jury phase which is to put people who would vote for you on the jury. Unfortunately, I don't think it's Teeny's calling those shots, though. It's like it's one of those things where you stumble backwards into a victory. But at the moment, not a lot of what is that like? More like they're the passenger, not the pilot in this situation. You want to be the driver. They also brought up the whole signal versus noise which i thought was an interesting metaphor i was like all right

i kind of yeah i kind of enjoyed that a little more than the usual uh analogies and metaphors we get but yeah i i do worry for teeny i don't know what's going to go down it feels like there's a scatter this is it's like we're either going to go in one of two directions from this point it almost feels like we're looking at the rebus but the four to coos the four blue players although given the next time on I don't know what that's looking like with Sue just losing it all yet

what is Kyle doing I really hope that Kyle gets back on the challenge win streak like he wins an individual reward challenge and he doesn't bring Sue I really that's what it sounds like. That's what I'm hoping. Yeah. There's something going on.

I'm like, she's just had it out for him ever since I guess what? Like the first try. I don't know. Day five. Right. So I'm like, oh, that's back. Okay.

Well, either that smoke and mirrors or it's like another Reba situation where the Rebas are still around and they're working together and we're going to the end with the Rebas or it's going to be like, we've got all these outsiders and they're kind of big characters and i'm wondering is this starting to come together to where the two coups might actually they predicted this a

couple episodes ago we got this four block of blue are we going to start to look like a big threat of people even though we're not fully cohesive but like just to anyone else we're four we're a foursome, and it's like, we need to start getting taken out. They're going to look at us to take us out. I'm worried it's going to be one of those two. I'm not really worried. I'm kind of hoping that we kind of look at that direction and have more of a take a shot, break up the four,

get rid of the blue players a little bit, even the spread. Not that I didn't like the Rebis in 45 dominating. I'm wondering if that's the direction we're going here. And if so, great for teeny teeny is going to be in a great spot at that point. But if not, could be a problem. Well, from some of the stuff that we've heard from like, I try to really pay attention to what are the little things that we hear about

tribe dynamics that were not being shown so like for example when they were i can't remember who it was but they were talking essentially about sue and caroline hate kyle and that really stood out in my head because again i see tuku as this four like they're four they've worked together they voted out tiana together like they're all this solid group i have to constantly remind myself that like, that's not the case. And then this next time on felt like it just further solidified that, that, okay, there's more drama here.

I think then we think, and I think also to go back to what Jeff said about the power, constantly swinging back and forth, you know, it could very easily be a two coup member going next week. Like if Kyle loses, this could be Kyle's boot episode next week. Yeah.

I think he was able to benefit from the fact that Genevieve did make such a big turn, because I would say probably eight out of ten times, normally, it's an easy open and shut Kyle vote. Unless, like, you know, Sue chooses to use the idol on him, which would be absolutely incredible, given their dynamic. But it seems like, again, with the Tuku dynamics, this isn't necessarily like a Reba four,

where, like, the four of them were locked in from the pre-merge. but it seems like again with the tuku dynamics this isn't necessarily like a reba four we're like the four of them were locked in from the pre-merge this really does seem like a trio and kyle's just kind of there it's like sifu's just there it's just sifu instead of like drew exactly so we just have kyle kind of like you know a hanger on it seemed like he has a relationship with gabe we see them like whispering to each other in the hammock a couple times but we really don't see him interacting at all with sue or caroline in general that i would imagine sooner rather than later they're going to be convinced to basically turn on kyle and maybe gabe is thinking what i was talking about with teeny of him being like listen you know if i let kyle slide i'm not gonna be completely angry in having

him sit on the jury and helping me in my best case scenario baby bird final three the wounded birds uh they're actually so caroline she had another cheerleader moment now mike you've pointed that out and now that's like all I can see whenever I see her. Like she's, I did think there was like last week even I was like, yeah, there's a way that Caroline wins. Like I think if her edit like really takes off, I think that there's a way that she could make a case for her

to be the winner. But now I just, when they lost their vote and she was like, what did she say? I wrote it down. She was like, epic. That was epic to Rachel and Rachel finally managed to put the thing on. I was like, yes. Our like biggest support system here on the island. That's the thing is that people have talked a lot about,

obviously, the very emotional reactions to getting voted out by this cast. Like all the goodwill has pretty much just been concentrated in one person. Caroline has taken it upon her shoulders to be all of the hugs, rah-rah element that people chastise in the new era whereas everyone else now gets to be their full selves but she was like so genuinely excited for rachel if i was in that situation i would be like this bitch like rachel knock it over like i want my vote back yeah and it was important time for her to have the vote too if it was going with what they were doing jenna was like we need the four blue players and it's like uh-oh carolyn can't but she's over there just like yes go rachel you got your vote i can't do anything my game is getting

sunk right now well let's talk about this because yeah i mean i think to peridium's point this whole starting a group and then eventually competing as individuals has been around since survivor 43 we've done it every season since something to note actually a little bit of a curse going on for all of you future players out there the person who's voted out in the episode every time this challenge happens they always make it to the end they always make it to the individual portion and they don't win the mutiny and then they're voted out later in the episode so it's who who is it was Brandon in 44 it was

um it was it was Kendra in 45 where she lost to Bruce 46 it was Hunter who went up against Charlie and then in 47 it was of course our good buddy Saul who was standing there alongside Gabe Kyle and Teenie in the Margarita Curse was, of course, our good buddy Saul, who was standing there alongside Gabe, Kyle, and Tini.

Right. Added to the margarita curse. It's tough because, like, then you could theoretically say, oh, well, then just sandbag this challenge. But clearly, they're trying to make sure that doesn't happen either, that they put in a penalty for last place. The groans from me when Jeff was like, and if you don't make it you're gonna lose your vote like why that's a

lot of people that's like 40% of the tribe at this what are we doing Jeff but then I was happy though because it turned out we actually created a final nine vote yes before the final nine and I'm like well that that could like I'm like hold on let them cook let's see what they can do here

I thought for a second I agree with you I had to watch the episode late but i had heard groans from across the coast like there are vote there are votes being lost right now and i couldn't watch it uh i was traveling but i'm like yeah you know but then i was like wait i'm like four people that's too much there's no way and then i know it was one i was like okay one vote okay it could be worse that's fine well because that's why i thought i was like okay well at least three are guaranteed to earn their votes back because i thought similarly it was going to be that same thing where they go they do the puzzle and if they get it they get their vote back if they don't get it they don't and there's a universe where none of them manage to get their votes back so that's what

i was anticipating so i guess they just had to play a little Jenga game and then that's fine. But, but yeah. Yeah, is there a better mechanism to do this? Like that's the tough thing is that from a journey perspective, I guess they want to put it in this epic rock outcropping for a location,

but that makes it fairly small potatoes in what they can do. And you obviously want to make it equal. I't know maybe what they should have done is uh just rerun the last part of the immunity challenge with the four people who lost their votes that's actually what i thought they were gonna do um so puy and i both thought that that well there's four and they had the first two groups so they're just gonna throw them up there and then essentially the first person to fall is the person who loses their boat. So I actually probably would have,

well, I don't know if I would have preferred that. Would I prefer to watch people stand on tiny things or stack little cards? Wow. Neither sound particularly interesting, but I think I would prefer the standing on little. Which is more riveting. I know.

Standing or stacking. Oh boy. Well, I was thinking of the coach the coach wade scream throughout all that every time i see that yeah every time i see that challenge come up i'm like if i was there i just have to do that giant scream just one time for old time's sake whereas the the whole i was really confused because the tower stacking thing i don't know if this is i've never done this before but they were going super fast i felt like and it wasn't even like maybe it's because the tide was rising around.

They're like, okay, we only got two hours to do this. I'm like, are they being prompted to go? Because I'm like, this is all about precision. And like, you know, you got to make it perfect. Or even you can do it to where you're screening the next person over with the way you angle it. But they were in the same shot. Just like, I was like, hello?

This is great. Like, do you guys not care about if okay but then it didn't matter so i was like oh maybe it's just a me thing maybe it doesn't really matter yeah i just sit there really fast that cove looked familiar also that looked like where kenzie took jess and bonnie to like try to talk is that because they went to the tuku camp for the merch which was that camp which is the former yanu uh okay but yeah it did look like no because that was the little like donut in and like that's about like probably about i don't know like 30 or so yards uh from the camp which would be wild as well they just had the journey like down the beach they do it for the reward winners like they don't

need to go on a journey journey just send them down the beach to do their thing and then come on back yeah you only have so much daylight that's why they're going so fast per diem they were like that's it sun setting let's do this i mean you can give like an extra 5-10 seconds per but yeah fair fair enough fair enough it was a lot of there were a lot of triangles being made a question that god asked to me that i would love to pose to the two of you is okay so the rules are if you are trying to place the piece and the tower collapses you lose your vote theoretically if you are able to i don't know like like slightly if Rachel's trying to put a piece in and you let an errant sneeze go or you like. It's on the sneezer. Come on. If you sneeze, that's on you.

Like, that's not Rachel's fault. What if three people sneeze at the same time? We're gonna have to instant replay it. That's the thing. The counteracting forces at least those two cancel each other out so it's really just the one anyway good and if what if they all four sneeze they all move okay the other three move to this side yeah that's what happens if i see someone wind up and sneeze i'm going to also sneeze at the same time to

counteract it oh no oh no. Oh, my God. It's a defense mechanism. The other thing I thought was I was like, they should negotiate. They should say, look, three of us are going to have our vote. Who can we get as allies to make sure that none of us go home? Like one person could, you know, volunteer potentially to be like, look, I'm willing to do this if you guys promise that, you know, you'll keep me safe or something like that. That's what I wanted to see if i'm being honest because i just love it when players are forced to have to negotiate and make decisions so and that's actually why i kind of

don't mind the pairing challenge because and we got to hear people actually articulate their strategy of you want to pick someone who's strong enough to help you get through the first levels of the challenge but also someone who isn't going to beat you in the final part of the challenge right so i think that's really fun to see and then there's of course there's a social dynamics on top of it to see who ultimately gets paired with whom yeah though i feel like we still have yet to get basically what she wanted maria and charlie to do in 46 right of like do you pick someone that you don't want to win and then basically just sit on your hands in the first part of the challenge and again maybe now they're they because they are now

bringing in this mechanic more frequently of like okay if you finish in last you stand a chance of losing your vote to disincentivize people from doing that because while it does make for some good tv it doesn't make for other good TV. We basically get like, what would have happened if Frankie Grande wasn't able to win the Battle of the Block while Beastmose Cowboy sat on the side? Yeah, I was like, am I going to bring it up or is one of you two going to bring it up? That's what we're getting at.

That's a two-time player for you. Yeah, everybody knows Caleb Reynolds. Who couldn't forget him? Such a game changer. Yeah, I guess that's a strategy there um i like the editing leading up to it it did make me laugh a little bit when they showed two different pairs of people being like sam and andy and andy's like maybe we can just bro down and like connect reconnect and then sam's like i picked him because i can beat him yeah and then it went the other way

with like gabe's like if you want anyone i want kyle and kyle's like yeah i picked him because i could beat him yeah i love that but i also like that that sounds like i'm gonna pick andy also forgetting the fact that like andy and challenges don't go incredibly well together and i'm trying to remember was it andy who ripped the bag or sam but even then they said like they ripped the bag then they still couldn't dig out the log or the planks or whatever it was. It just feels like anything that can and will go wrong will go wrong for Andy in a challenge.

It doesn't matter. Well, let's call our shot right now, because I think, from my perspective at least, given the story of it all, I think Andy is primed to make it pretty dang far into the endgame will he win an individual immunity challenge this season

Liana? No I'm gonna go with no What do you think Ferdium? Gosh I mean the odds get better with every episode True. At some point it's gotta pay off right? One of those he's been gift to hell and back with his performances at some point it's got to pay off right one of those he's been gift to hell and back with his

performances at some point it's got to come together and yeah eventually he'll be able to finish after all that air humping you know so much what's the what's the point there's no payoff in the end i'm gonna say sure let's give it to him i i'm gonna say it only because you said no but like honestly i'd probably say no but i'm gonna say yes i'll put money yes wait then mike which uh break the tie who are you going oh i i gotta go with yes just to manifest it just because it would be i'm pretty it'd be a pretty objectively not only great thing for him because again we talked about survivor bucket list all the time but like to see andy be able to do it and maybe that's part of the narrative of like he's all that nobody thought i could actually put anything together but here i am able to do it? And maybe that's part of the narrative of like, he's all that. Nobody thought I could actually put anything together,

but here I am able to, to win a dominant immunity challenge. I'm not sure at this moment, what would be the best one to do considering that we have had, like you could say, okay, if he's clumsy, then let's do the one where he has to just stand still.

He's done that one as well. And it hasn't gone great for him, but every dog has his day. Yeah. What have we seeny excel at in the challenges has there been something it's like okay andy's really good at that what about like swimming or balance beam during some of the team like the tribe challenge individual immunity challenges i'm trying to think if there's been like a moment where it's like he did he did struggle on the balance beam in the water okay so not that um but he he was good at swimming i feel like and getting the buoy did he do well yeah i think he did the basketball maybe at the buoy i don't remember all my memories are him doing i know i know unfortunately mostly air humping I would say like most of the things that

I remember sawing wasn't great okay so maybe what they do let's go back to the big brother of it all remember that one coach's challenge where like they had to like hump as many times as possible maybe they'll bring that back yes I have Enzo doing that burned into my brain unfortunately yeah yeah that would be that would be interesting okay look i'm all for manifesting so i think you know even though i personally don't know i will happily support the the energy to get to be fair we are coming off of a final immunity challenge last season where a man who got like zero sleep over the course of an entire week ends up winning a challenge that's based entirely on concentration so like anything can happen out there on Survivor.

And so I think when, not if Andy is going to win and then he will deliver an epic speech on the mat to kind of bookend the epic speech in a very different way that he had in the very first episode. Oh, that would be fun. I like that. There were, there were two other moments for me that I thought were quite interesting.

So one, there was a confessional from Sue. Sue said, if I lose Gabe, my game is shot. I thought that was very interesting because obviously I understand that they're close, but I think I didn't realize like how much Sue is putting her eggs in the Gabe basket. And I don't know. Well, she is a bird. Exactly. That's what I'm saying, because he's going to take care of the little baby birds and the eggs I assume presumably as well

but that was very interesting to hear so I'm sort of like mentally noting that of like okay this is going to come into fruition I think later on at some point I'm like curious to see maybe even next week's episode well if Gabe gets taken out and then Sue's like her game gets lost or something.

Yeah, exactly. Or, or Sue plays an idol on Gabe. Right. Or fights for Gabe. Exactly. Yeah.

Cause to your point, Leon, I was struck surprised by Saul talking to me about the fact that apparently him and Sue were very tight, uh, that she was one of Saul's secret angels because actually they had a really entrenched bond over Parkinson's disease that Sue had a relative who had Parkinson's and Saul, for those that don't know,

he's a medical device salesperson and he works specifically with like those that have neurodegenerative diseases and sort of like DBT for that. And so it's interesting in that they were so intrinsically involved in each other's game. But I think for various circumstances, like Saul doesn't want to get rid of Sue. He's basically told, okay, if you want to survive, get rid of Sue. So he kind of goes along with the plan.

But it seems like whenever Sue's presented with a choice of like cast off someone who might be in your corner or turn against the two goos, she always goes with the former. And it's a good question of like is this going to be what sinks her game whether it's like her using an idol on game and getting voted out herself or she goes to the end with someone like Gabe and doesn't get a lot of looks from the jury just

because yeah she's got a hell of a story especially for a 45 year old but at the same time she has put gay basically above her own prerogative yeah wait was that you leona you said there were more than one is that one of the two things you remembered oh yeah okay so that was one day so i'm thinking future storyline sort of thing so that was the first thing i thought of the second one is that we got i was really happy that we got to see rachel's justification for playing the shot in the dark and like gauging the reaction to me that was interesting that the show gave her that ability to explain her moves and then also that in combination with her in the relationship with sam that felt really important yeah um i'm not sure what it means yet um because it's not like they

were like oh we're gonna work together it was we're gonna maybe kind of look out for each other maybe if we do it maybe i love it was like uh when the two spies sit next to each other on a bench and like are staring straight forward when rachel's like i can't tell you what's going on but i'm looking out for you wink wink and sam's like all right i'm just gonna throw out a guess here I could proceeds to guess exactly what's happening and Rachel's like uh-huh don't but don't vote for Saul and

don't blow up my game and by the end of the episode Sam has done both yeah yeah I did wonder like what are the ramifications gonna be for Rachel now because she said her strategy was to wanting to get close to the two coos and like not well she wants to prove some loyalty to the people in power as an underdog and then Sam decided to completely undo all of that and I'm like we haven't really heard much

I suspect we'll hear some more about that in the next episode uh that was an interesting uh turnaround of and I'm just really glad Sam did that in a way because it made things way more interesting because it just all of a sudden I was like this what if this leads to like Rachel getting taken up but it didn't didn't seem to go back to her much a little bit but I thought there was a chance I might have gone on to Sam actually of like okay Rachel being like okay he's doing too much

let's try to turn it on to him but yeah I thought that too but I think the thing about this particular round was that for whatever reason the primary targets were too easy like I think both sam and kyle came into this episode as probably two of the biggest people to talk about to get rid of before the immunity challenge kyle with his you know challenge threat status and sam due to the fact that like he just lost his number one ally he's kind of a sitting duck at this point and

i think whether it be like the the savayiness of this cast whether it be the new era causing people to like go big game hunting, they almost immediately get discounted because they're like, yeah, we can take care of them later. Let's focus on these other individuals at the moment. I mean, there were like three separate targets in that round of play there. I thought that was really interesting how we had three distinct groups with three distinct plans all swirling around. And then it all just creates

this calamity this whirlwind and you know the sam and rachel of it all we saw at the beginning of the episode i thought was really fascinating the goddess are front and center and i'm kind of here for it i'm really looking for i was after rachel survived with that soul saving her situation i was kind of like i don't know where this came from but i have this weird passion i mean i'm like i kind of want rachel to win like i'm rooting for her a lot i was on another podcast couple weeks and i was like i feel like rachel all of a sudden just showed up and i'm like i made a video about this i just discounted her completely i like put down all the players on the street i was like yeah rachel annika whatever they're not gonna win i was like you know what i feel pretty good about

her and i like andy and sam's's given, Carol and my wife love Sam. I didn't realize how much. She's like, I like Sam. I like, she just, she just likes him. She's like, hey, he's really cool. You know, she's like, I enjoy how he hasn't done anything and now he's experiencing life.

And she's like, she thinks he might win. And I'm like, all right, we'll see. You never know. Like when he eats the fruit and stuff, he's experiencing life. Right, right. I'm a pineapple guy now. Hey, a glue guy. You never know. Like when he eats the fruit and stuff, he's excited. Right, right. I'm a pineapple guy now. Yay!

A glue guy to a pineapple guy. Yeah. I wanted to point out, this is something that I thought of. This is super random and completely out of left field, but when they're on the reward and they're all eaten,

the four of them, and they all had the burping montage of Saul, but he said to, he said in confessional, his family didn't burp around each other. And I just went, is that a thing? thing people just not burp around their family because i personally never thought that was a thing but then he said that they did he says that he only burps around people that he's comfortable oh okay i thought maybe misheard it but i was like and that's like is this the the

gastrointestinal equivalent of like sitting in the hammock we're like i'm so comfortable i'm burping and they're like no no no you've gotten too big in your head comfortable exactly we got to get rid of you here well that's what they say right don't get too comfortable saul got too comfortable and went immediately went home i guess i was like do people not grow do people grow up not burping around their family if they're not like ever like do you guys ever burp around your significant others it was not polite so right well there's an element of that but like you know so no okay no my family around your family you were like very stoic swedish white people like we don't we don't do that sort of thing well yeah i was not apparently raised in downton Abbey like Liana was no I was absolutely okay because I would build a house with

gas no ew no you know you have like a nice bowl of cottage cheese and then you start oh my nightmare those two things both mine equally my nightmare so if there was a reward where you were starving on Survivor it's like have a big bowl like all you could eat cottage cheese oh my god i would rather eat the grubs than cottage cheese like jeff reveals that at the auction and you're like can i have my money back yes exactly like i'm not i'm not this is not a kyle moment i'm not overcoming my cottage cheese it's just not happening oh boy all right good to know i was just curious about that i was like it's an interesting comment well let's talk about a guy who was an absolute gas in this game let's stick with saul rob talked about this when i i discussed saul's

interview in the preseason that to him he seemed almost enigmatic liana you picked saul as part of your draft team i think sort of ascribing the same logic or lack thereof to it. So how did you think he was going to do before this all started? Yes. Okay. So I had Saul making the merge. I said that Saul came into the game with low key energy. So no need to tune down that big personality, Which is something I remember. He was like, oh, I'm going to be such a big personality. But anyway, so that allows him to form a tight three with Teenie and Asia. Almost. This trio runs Lavo pre-jury and comes into the merge as a strong group.

Naturally, Gata and Tuku were suspicious of a tight three. Tika three, anyone? Gata and Tuku were suspicious of a tight three. Tika three, anyone? As Saul was the biggest out in front, large target of the Lavo three, he was deemed the first to go by Gabe. We got several confessionals about Saul power helping to propel him through the game.

But sadly, Tuku, Gata pulled the plug and he runs out of juice mid jury. His allies were Tini and Asia and his enemy was Gabe. Hey, interesting. Well, we're back. Same page here, Liana. I had Saul also making the jury. So I had said that Saul quickly seeks out his pregame connection with

teeny and alongside Roman Asia is brought into this dominant Lavo Tories alliance that i think now like are all but gone at this point uh in our predictions while sol is one of the quieter members of his tribe he'll be remembered for two things a random scene showing off his soul power i think you and i were really in on a soul power uh which i think speaks to like again the mystery that he was in the preseason and his growing resentment towards rome the latter culminates in the post-merge when he's convinced by sue to turn on his alliance and blindside rome with sol making his big move all eyes are on him unfortunately his strategic jump fails to have him grabbing anything meaningful he ends up becoming an easy next boot as the

solitary vote that isn't against him the closest ally was teeny and his enemy was Rome oh my god okay that's actually so wild Mike because I so like I put them in the or essentially a boot order essentially and then I write the predictions

and I have my boot order is the exact it's flipped but i have sol then rome wow you had roman sol damn how did you guys get that that's wild that's like super i it's the most accurate i think i've heard every time i've been on here you guys are both like any day of the week you could have been the one that i would have picked if that's what we're doing right do i get to pick between, this is a season of broken clocks. Like Leon and I are just like touting, do not expect this people for Survivor 48 or beyond.

I think we're going to have a terrible season next season where we're just going to have everything wildly off to make up for the fact that we are not only in Sympatico, but also like relatively good, I think so far on the way that people actually turned out in this game how far did you guys have love it going I am going we both had him going pre merge

yeah emerge okay all right that makes sense um wow I mean honestly if for a minute I was I think Liana just hit the nail on the head there but uh then Mike almost hit it even harder I think I'm gonna give it to mike with the whole antagonism of rome and uh the boot after he rome goes and then not long after saul goes and

but honestly that's the boat there's a really accurate like you guys have watched survivor before i feel like you've watched it compliment someone's ever paid me i don't get to say that very often. You, sir. You seem like someone who's watched Survivor. You know your Survivor preseason picks. Wow, what a compliment. No, as soon as you said the Rome antagonistic thing,

I was like, goddammit. Because they're close enough on everything else. But I think that was good. I'm so devastated, though, that we didn't get any soul power. I know. I'm so mad mad i thought that was apparently obviously both of us thought that that was gonna be a bigger part of his personality well it's interesting though because to your point and i don't know if either one of you

listened to on fire this week but like jeff usually gives his kind of like pre-game notes on people and he admitted on the podcast that they were surprised by saul that saul was like actually quieter and a bit more in himself on the island than they initially expected when they cast him again maybe speaking towards to that point Liana like this guy's an extrovert by nature and for some reason he was just curtailing it a lot on the island so maybe that Saul power just wasn't got naturally cut off the second his feet hit the sand okay but even even his interview with you for example was not like oh this guy's shot out of a cannon kind of thing like and we were all like oh he's saying

there he's this big quiet like crazy personality and we're just not seeing that in the interview i want to see his audition tape or like his conversation you know in the like in the finals whatever that finals interview looked like like i want to want to see that. Like, who is that person? But I do think eventually we got to see more and more of Saul's personality. And, you know, he even talks about last week's episode being very conscious about cultivating the way that others perceive him about being this. I'm just this goofy guy, you know. And so I think it seems like he put a lot of energy and effort into that. So maybe we didn't like really even get to see his full soul power,

you know, until, until the end. Yeah. It seems to happen sometimes. I want to see Saul's audition tape where he's dressed up in a bikini in the freezing snow and waving around saying, put me on survivor. Eating dog shit like Chris Hammond. You know? Yeah, exactly. Wow. I didn't know he did that. That's wild. Yeah. He ate dog poop. Was it real though we can't confirm but yeah wow that's one last question i have on saul is like now that the saul rome pairing has now officially been eliminated either

in either order that leon or i suggested how do they rank in terms of modern day survivor rivalries? Now look, 46 more than made up for maybe a lack of rivalries in the new era. But how do we look back on the Saul and Rome rivalry now that both of them are done and dusted? I had a good time with them. I think, and especially in hindsight, like I was enjoying them in the moment,

but I know a lot of people were frustrated with Rome but you know now they're both gone and it's like oh bummer but I guess it kind of makes sense why Saul was a little more muted he only made it halfway through the season it would have been nice if he made it longer I don't know if it's going to be an all-timer you know but I enjoyed both of them enough that like if

they brought either of them back I'd be like let's go let's see what they have although I do wonder now like what's Saul going to do the second time around without say Rome? You would need like a rivals cast at this point. To be fair, you could be like, Oh, what's Sandra going to do on her second season without Johnny fair play?

Like they'll find it ops. I think they definitely right. They will need another Rome. There's probably a whole, anyone from survivor 46, put them on a tribe with Rome or put them on a tribe with Saul. And we got it all over again. Let's go. So maybe it's that. That's what we're looking for.

Yeah. You know, it's interesting because obviously Rome's shenanigans don't start as shenanigans against Saul. Right. Like it starts with Rome just being this out loud, intense personality with the rest of the Lavos, right? And then it slowly develops into this Saul specific rivalry. Like I'm thinking the classic Jim Halpert moment with Teenie looking back to the camera, you know, while they're having their little kerfuffle on Lavo Beach. So it did seem personal eventually that it was Saul versus Rome, but it also feels like Rome is just an enigma in and of himself so I don't really think of them per se as a pair I think of oh my god Rome and

then poor Saul having to put up with Rome and it's tough because you know I ended up doing the out bid out pay out draft thing about survivor rivals and there was a legitimate discussion about Randy Bailey and it's like okay does the fact that Randy had rivalries with Sugar and with Crystal help and hurt things? And like, while short-lived, Rome did have a rivalry with Asia, where he was, you know, possibly spitting fish on her, who's to say. And so does that like help or hurt Rome's case that, yes, he has this more long-held rivalry with saul but also asia burned

you know hotter and faster yeah i don't i'm i'd be fine with uh i'd say rome is a little more power that i think i agree with your take with like saul he he it's the whoever he's against he sort of came out but also that kind of goes for everyone in a way uh i just we enjoyed saul for his character and who he was in spite of i don't even know if you need room for that but i enjoyed him i i liked i liked saul a lot i was disappointed i was like first of all how dare you target like genevieve how dare you just target saul like that like what are we doing here why are we not going with the tika the tika three or whatever like let's why not we got we got like this lava tribe on paper i was rooting for them in the pre-merge but i'm like man these guys are

like not not looking so hot here with the whole tishan thing and so yeah i don't know i know the lava three what could have been that's what i mean when you said that i was like that's like the alternate that's like best case scenario i was envisioning where we get the teenies and the ages and the souls going going the distance and working together and then it's like it's that rare outcome we get where if all three of them had made it to the final tribal council they would have faced a jury who had not played with any of them in the pre-merge um sort of like what we got with uh with i'm trying to think uh with we would have gotten that with the tika final three if it if carson had gotten eliminated at four well i mean that's kind of where i actually thought things were headed especially given the

fact that we saw oh okay saul's picking up rachel and genevieve is picking up andy and saul also kind of has andy like i was like okay we're getting some. And knowing that the two coos hate Kyle is like, OK, great. All right. Kyle's going to go and then they'll get Gabe. And, you know, I can see this momentum. And then, you know, obviously with Genevieve flipping in the way she did. But I just think that there's more to those those relationships that we're just not privy to. And that's why it went the way it did. Yeah, exactly. If this episode is any indication, it's always a great reminder that not only can things shift on a dime but there might be things that people are thinking and

doing that we're not privy to we had no idea that Genevieve was kind of sitting and stewing for the better part of 10 days waiting to get her revenge on Saul uh you know as much as we're sort of lampooning Sue for doing so with Kyle Genevieve was arguably kind of doing the same thing with Saul here. I'm sure she had other motives as well to get rid of him. But I mean, when someone explicitly says that I'm petty and that's the reason why I'm targeting him, I'm going to call it like it is.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that was part of the main logic. Why wouldn't we got that confessional seemed to be part of the main motivation, at least the show told us. So, yeah, I would love it if she's to the final tribal and she's in front of the jury

like what it was all i took you i was petty honestly it was just pettiness it was just being i'm like oh they'd be like yeah respect i understand like yeah there's the honesty and well and i think that that's what we're hearing now from juries a lot is we just want you to be honest like we don't want you to claim something that's not true we would rather you just say like yeah i kind of held a grudge sorry about it but i'm sitting here and you're not so um okay so let's take a break from our own thoughts and let's think about the thoughts of the facebook casuals so we're gonna be playing casuals corner this week i actually have split the format um of the game up into two sections because i realized we have not community challenge just like them exactly just like this episode um and that was motivated

obviously by the episode that i totally thought of that i i thought of that mike didn't just point it out just now um but also because we haven't checked in with the casuals at all. So I wanted to first just get an idea of what they're thinking about different castaways this season. And then we'll get into sort of our regular thoroughfare. So the way that this is going to work

is the first section format of the game is going to be which one had more likes. So I will read to you two real comments from the Facebook page, and then it will be up to you to decide which one had more likes. We'll start with to you two real comments from the Facebook page, and then it will be up to you to decide which one had more likes. We'll start with that format and then get into our traditional format

with four comments, three are real, one's fake. Which one is the fake one? So Mike, we will start with you in the first format of the game. Which one had more likes? Oh boy. Is it comment A? I was so hoping for Sue. interesting how she stays under the radar

there must be a reason that she isn't shown actually thankfully they don't focus much on her she is just not someone i can get behind so like yeah i was so weirded out about the first part of that of like i was pulling for sue i was like did she get voted out did i not did i watch the wrong episode but no it turns out that they've just basically given up on her right okay or is it comment b i was kind of hoping to see the blind saw down sue dot dot dot but after watching saul eat and burp i was happy to see him go laughing face emoji okay so how many of the boris family members are on facebook how like and comment gas you might be on an island but you're no savage solomon Savage Solomon. I will go with, ooh, that's a great question. Like, are people more disgusted by Sue or disgusted by Saul's burping?

Mm-hmm. I mean, I'm going to go with B because B is also not pro-Sue, so it kind of has the best of both worlds there. Okay, so you guessed comment B. I'm sorry, that's incorrect. It was A. I'm sorry. That's incorrect. It was a. They love Saul. They love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love,

love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, Saul. Like I not since Caroline, have I seen or Carolyn from 44? Have I seen not since the woman on this season? Not yeah, not since earlier this season uh no i uh they they love him and i think it's because they hate rome ah the enemy the enemy yes that's my that's my interpretation i don't know if that is real or not um okay for saul he's got the facebook casuals that's always a small w and i think he has the

fans fans too like oh he's got yeah for sure i think he's got like twitter edit all that so yeah it is interesting yeah like i wonder if by the end of this like i'm sure rob's fact checker will do some sort of like popular i mean from what rob's fact checker said i believe saul went out with like the fifth highest popularity that rob's fact checker has had in conducting the popularity poll since like survivor 43 or something a lot of people have been speculating that jeff probe said in an interview that one person from 47 is like in consideration for 50 and i know that sort of was like the question on everyone's minds maybe it's saul maybe no i don't know because the production apparently didn't see what they thought they'd see out of soul but the fans did so you have to kind of

weigh that in your minds yeah exactly um uh okay so peridium we're gonna go to you next which one has more likes is it genevieve is looking like the next. Someone needs to put a wasp in her bonnet before she wins this game. She did say she had a beaner bonnet about Saul. I think that's what the reference is to. Did she? Oh, okay. I missed that.

Is it A or B? Genevieve is wiping the floor with this cast. Oh, okay. this cast oh okay uh gosh i'm gonna say b okay uh no it was wrong as the old jenna d comparison i don't like her as much no but she's wiping the floor at the moment they no they don't really well i mean look at pretty look what she just did in the most recent episode to solve rid of the fave that's true i should and also was working with rome for a considerable amount of the season right okay all right i get it i don't align with facebook that happens it happens that's okay you

have multiple chances many more chances to see if your, your views align. Mike, let's go back to you though, for the moment, which one has more likes? Is it a Rachel sucks? Saul saved her and she votes him off two weeks later. Oh yeah. Yeah. I could see that. Or is it B Kyle should starts doing some strategic moves because you need more than winning immunity challenges to win Survivor. Dot, dot, dot.

I like him. Dot, dot, dot. Okay, so that's interesting that the caveat would be towards Dan. Because I would imagine that while people probably love, love, love, love, love Saul Moore. Take away like three of those loves. And that's probably what they ascribe to Kyle. Because I think Kyle ticks all the boxes, right? Has this really heartwarming story.

Seems like a really nice guy. Wins challenges, helps out around camp. Doesn't commit any huge cutthroat moves. In fact, was left out of a couple of votes because of those connections. So this feels like soft coaching. It doesn't feel like, oh, I hate Kyle because of this. That's what's giving me pause.

But I'm just going to go with occam's razor here and say that they don't like rachel because saul saved her single-handedly and then she's what i was saying yeah that's uh that is correct the uh there is a lot of love for kyle for sure but what was interesting it it was a lot of comments like this which was i really like kyle but i need him to do something strategic like they're almost becoming self-aware of realizing that the game is more than just like being a good old boy you gotta actually like do something so so while there was a lot of love for kyle uh there's more hate for rachel turning on soul shocker i know right okay here's's our final question of this format.

Which one has more likes? And this one's for Peridium. Is it comment A, Survivor, please cast more Saul's and less Rome's and definitely give them more of the edit. Obnoxious guys like Rome and Bonu make this show unwatchable, yet they dominate the screen time.

Bonu's that, yeah. That needy needy leaks now why am I in this so that was comment A and comment B okay I'm gonna do my best like interpretation of this comment first of all it's in all caps okay so just keep that in mind I'm gonna take a step back I'm so sad Saul is gone

dot dot dot I liked him Dot, dot, dot. I liked him a lot. Dot, dot, dot. I was hoping he would, trophy emoji, win Survivor after all the crap, poop emoji, he put up with from Rome. Dot, dot, dot. Still happy they got him off the island. Island emoji. Dot, dot, dot.

But so, sad face emoji. Another sad face emoji. Another sad face emoji. A crying sad face emoji. Sad Saul is gone. Dot, dot, dot. so sad face emoji another sad face emoji another sad face emoji uh crying sad face emoji sad sol is gone dot dot dot love survivor dot dot dot love jeff uh fire emoji fire emoji and then like the by uh pride flag but in hearts like a blue heart a purple heart and a red heart i don't know if that was intentional or not but that was how i interpreted it wow copy pasta with the use of emojis it was i don't yeah what's the uh what's the meta on facebook with that well there's the meta

yeah uh with facebook's emojis and caps i'm like i'd find that incredible i would not like that i mean maybe i wouldn't although maybe i agree with it but maybe i don't um gosh and then the first one was more more souls less can you reread b again i'm kidding love survivor love jeff right gosh uh one of them sounds like reacting in the moment the other one i guess i'll just say b because you you went through all that yeah that only had three likes whoa extreme too extreme the emojis turned too much yeah the uh the top yeah the top comment had had 98 likes so okay well i think especially like yes there was a reference to rome in the second one but it feels like catnip for the casuals is to just bag on Rome yeah yeah also the other one was very difficult to read like reading in all caps is just quite challenging um okay but no worries we have a

close game Mike you're up by one and we're gonna go back to you but now we are moving into the second part of the episode so these are four comments I'm gonna read for you you have to decide which one is fake three are real one is fake okay these comments are all about andy oh no a he looks like johnny depp b oh i gotta see that that guy andy looks like gilbert grape oh okay oh oh hi captain jack sparrow or d something creepy about him reminds me of the depth character in secret window because we've got three depths and one leo leo dicaprio yeah well they're all no they're. I thought he was referring to Leo in What's He Did Gilbert Grape.

No, no, no, no, no. It looks actually like a Gilbert Grape. Okay, gotcha. So for Johnny Depp, I didn't really see it before it got pointed out here. So thank you, casuals. Oh, God. Okay, this is really splitting finely quaffed hairs

that Andy is teasing out with his finger as he commits chaos around him. So we have an outright reference to Jack Sparrow. We have a secret window reference, a Gilbert Grape reference, and Johnny Depp outright. Yep. I'm going to go with the fun one,

which is Ahoy, Captain Jack Sparrow. Yeah, yeah, I wrote that I just I liked the use of ahoy I don't know why that really made me laugh ahoy uh but yeah there were multiple references on multiple posts calling and it didn't look like it wasn't the same profile so it was like the same person being like oh yeah this guy is definitely johnny bots are infiltrating facebook to post about how much andy looks like johnny depp yeah i don't know why that was necessary for them but um but yeah and and now i kind of see it a little bit yeah yeah for sure i can see it too i kind of i did sort of notice it a week or so i was like oh he is looking a lot more like island hot now as they say so all right there you go all that humping so that air humping uh okay so pretty and we're gonna go

back to you and we're gonna talk about some of the other cast members that are on this season mm-hmm comment a gabe must have weirdly thin feet b B, why is Caroline even still around? C, Rachel is a traitor. D, Sam is using the blunt rock mentally and probably not long before moving from player to jury pool. The what? The blunt rock? The blunt rock mentally. So is that to assume that like he's a burnout or is it that like is it like kind of fitting a square peg into a round hole like he's trying

to be sharp but he's using the blunt end of the rock yeah like the tool is bad gotcha maybe okay i don't know interesting i'm gonna say a because I don't know why but it just seemed odd yeah you're at the one like yeah I know well that's not always the

things like I'm trying obviously trying to be the casuals I think it really says more about me like Liana right about feet I'm like I think she could I think yeah like I think I don't know if they'd point that out i think rachel was a traitor was like probably the easiest slam yeah i was like if that's it then it's like there's no way like obviously yeah yeah yeah yeah they hate yeah they don't they don't like rachel um all right mike we're going back to you this category i just have called who oh no all right uh a why would lady with glasses who Saul saved vote for him?

I thought they were cool. That sounds like Jeff introducing Rachel in the first episode. Lady with glasses who Saul saved with the thing. Exactly. Is it B. Gage needs a haircut. is it is it is it c i liked you waiting for that creepy guy to leave or is it d rooting for tyler dot dot dot i can't stand andy dot dot dot please someone vote him out so i'm assuming if i speak casual tyler i think is kyle oh okay I had no idea like autocorrect it because there's like their son is Tyler or something or they're just like oh what's his name Tyler

something like that Tyler Tyler this is tough or they love Tyler Fredrickson from world apart and they're waiting for him to come back and went okay exactly uh that's a guy with thin feet he was a kicker uh all right so that's Tyler we've got feet he was a kicker uh all right so that's tyler we've got gabe gauge hair cut we've got girl with the glasses and then oh uh c was uh i like i hope he wins and

andy creeped me out uh no it was i liked you waiting for that creepy guy to leave oh so so creepy guy i don't know like i maybe that might be about andy and also i don't know why are they speaking in second person like to whom are they referring which sounds perfectly casual uh i don't think you put too much spelling to what i'm gonna say you went yeah yeah i gotcha yeah plus i feel like i feel like gage has his hot hair tied back most of the time that like people wouldn't make comments on it okay see i noticed gage's hair when it kept like getting in front of his face uh in one moment so that was what that was motivated by not that gage i think needs a haircut i think his hair is fine but i just felt like that was what that was motivated by not that gage i think needs a haircut i think his hair is fine but i just felt like that was something the casuals would like be bothered by right they

get bothered by a lot of weird niche things um okay pretty and we're gonna go back to you same similar concept is it a ice queen needs to leave please be Bye bye burpee Why is that the title of the episode? Bye bye burpee C. Dick weeds gotta go Who's that? Spelled D-I-K so no C

I don't know if like a dick dick you know like the little it's like a like a deer thing. I don't think I know that. Okay I don't know if like a like a dick dick, you know, like the little it's like a like a deer thing. I don't think I know that. OK, I don't know if that's the reference. But anyway, and then comment D. Who is the girl in jury? She has a very bitter attitude and face last night.

Does she not understand that this is a game and she is not the princess sorry that's I mean that sounds like a facebook that's an all caps the last part that is not the princess part is an all caps okay yeah because the first two are a lot shorter

yeah we have ice queen needs to leave bye bye burpee dick weeds gotta go and who is the girl in jury? Oh, boy. I'm going to say C with a K. Dick Weeds gotta go. So Dick Weeds is real. And I messaged Kuya specifically saying, can I say this?

Okay. I was going to say, like, that's a bit of a reach but i also i'm like yeah i do wonder if someone called someone else a dickweed on the show would it make air or not yeah i don't know do they specify again it was dik i don't know if that was like intentional uh no i wrote ice queen needs to leave please okay okay i was thinking maybe like a genevieve or a yeah yeah i really thought of women that they hate usually they do that you know right that's um okay so perineum i do believe you're mathematically eliminated but we do have one more round of questions my andy era exactly proud of you

we're manifesting your win right we all believe it's gonna happen right at some point in the season so mike let's go back to you this is just sort of general complaining as the casuals are want to do comment a one challenge in an endless sea of pointless yakking this season is the worst dot dot dot come on in guys they went there is it being wow you're you're a real firebrand they're a rebel without a cause where's your leather jacket carol what a badass uh is it comment b looks like they edited out the wokeness of the show finally yep yes that's exactly it you stumbled upon how they fixed the new era they did it they nailed it

come on in guys is it C this cast is a bunch of diary of a wimpy kid what a bunch of wimps I like that one or is it D Paramount plus wipes

wipes what does it though Or is it D, Paramount Plus wipes? Wipes what? Does it though? Like you could say Paramount Plus. Is that if you pay for more? Or sucks. There's no direct object involved in that sentence. Does wipes work?

Has anyone ever said like, oh man, that's really wipes. Above no ads, it's wipes. It'll wipe. This wipes. I mean, I guess there's implicit right, but like, okay, this blows like, okay, this blows chunks, like it's so parenthetical, like this wipes my ass. I've never even seen that. I don't know, is that what's implied at the latter part of the sentence?

Paramount Plus wipes. Unless, unless, are they promoting possible new merch paramount plus wipes wipes yes they smell like your favorite streaming shows i wouldn't actually want the survivor ones though like yeah you don't want to smell like a campfire survivor no paramount plus i mean i'm so obsessed with paramount plus wipes that but no offense liana i think this is a piece of it's like finding a like a tree that's been struck by lightning freshly smoldered into the earth like

a natural system of beauty that cannot be created by man even amongst his best efforts so i'm gonna leave paramount's plus the wipes be as sterile as the wipes that are coming with it uh so we've got the double trouble of a and b and we've got the diary of olympia and they're a bunch of whips oh i really

hope that's real that seems like a big brother one they would see that for big brother everybody's just going with the house yeah I got a bunch of wimps here I but I feel like this episode yeah that's the thing I guess like you could say on the one hand okay well no one really cried this episode so like is there a wimpy behavior but you bring up a good point

pretty I'm not like everyone kind of went along with the plan and so that's behavior befitting of a wimp I'll say you were a diary okay more like diary of a wimpy kid plus wipes to get that diary of a wimpy kid off yeah so the paramount plus wipes one so i had another you know because i pull a ton of comments and i sort of reorganize them so for example i had like a series of comments there was one person who said i have to wait until

thursday to watch on peacock plus like there were a bunch of of you know oh i'm i'm i love to watch survivor as well as the new show the summit this evening on fi optics catch up tv and clap fi optics i don't know i don't know. I don't know. I had no idea. So I had Paramount plus wipes in with those two because I was like, that's weird. But then I kept reading Paramount plus wipes over and over. And as you said, Mike,

it was just such an enigma that I couldn't wrap my head around it. I didn't know if it was an insult. I didn't know what they were saying. I was just so fascinated by it. So I had to include it somewhere. Makes sense. Okay. So final question for you,

pretty. I'm again, we're going to continue with the general complaining. So your comments are A. Can we stop we the goofy whispering thing at Tribal and make a rule people have to stay seated? It's ruining

that part. I feel like we the goofy is like the preamble to the B&B Constitution. We the goofy. the B&B constitution. We the goofy. One B&B under Rob. Oh man. It writes itself. Injustice and Paramount Plus Wipes.

Paramount Plus Wipes for all. Okay, so A. B is this show has become so dull no one needs 90 minutes of dinner jabber. Is it C? I think the show has sunk to a new low, whispering at the vote, tacky and uncalled for.

It's the same person like, Saul, why are you burping? Oh my, I can't believe you've done this um or is it d why do i even watch this show boston rob must be rolling in his grave trying to watch this season oh no oh my god where do they think's going how old is what season are we on well they did build a giant statue of him a little while back they thought it was some sort of like uh bass grave he was on the season guys he's not dead he's just he's right he's right there he's right there guys wow okay what was the uh the jibber jabber one yes uh you mean dinner jabber uh no one needs 90 minutes of this dinner jabber inner jabber i'm gonna say that one that one was real not okay too much dinner jabber um

no i wrote the uh boston rob's eulogy okay okay that's a little much but then again people don't know what they're talking about so well I my original inspiration was Boston Rob would be rolling his eyes and I thought it'd be funnier he's rolling in his grave unless they have spoilers for the traitor season three and they're like oh no Boston Rob is murdered in canon and so he's rolling around they left him in the coffin

yeah maybe they like do an episode and they hold his funeral yeah right um all right so not Boston Rob oh man oh no that uh so that's the end of the game we have officially but i do want to bring up just a few other small comments because we haven't really um talked much about the casual so one is there's someone who is officially team teeny they recently adopted a puppy and the shelter named her teeny and she watches the show with me she sleeps a lot but stays awake to watch the show go teeny and i thought that was just the

cutest thing in the entire world i know isn't that adorable that's great and then the other one is a joke so i thought this would be funny if you guys could think of the punchline the others were jokes they're all it's all a joke this one is uh specifically framed to be a joke I believe so here's the joke what challenge would cannibals do on survivor okay something with is it like the name of a challenge or is it like i don't know i'm not sure uh like oh yes hands on a hard idol no it's not like one of the names um look i'll just tell you it's swallow the leader huh yeah excuse me i kind of want more of these wait that was the punchline that was the yeah what are you referencing what challenges would what challenge would cannibals do on survivor follow the leader swallow the leader well or

it could be is that a challenge so i so again i set this to plea he's my eyes and ears before i read these things on stream to know what is appropriate i need like a temperature check standards and practices to like send everything through and he was like i just assumed it was a cunnilingus joke i was gonna say like i'm pretty sure it's just like uh you know take take the load yeah i was like no they're cannibals they're eating each other which didn't make me think of like a survivor oops all cannibals season i think that would go bad how long do you think of it last 26 days i think it's 2.6 days did they make it the whole way i don't know about that we get a

lot of medivacs that season oh do they medivac or they just kind of let things go the way they do like you know what you signed up for exactly Exactly. It's Eater B.E.E.N., quite literally. It's in your contract. Yeah, Eater B.E.E.N., that's so good. Finally, themes are back. Finally, that's all it took. Well, congratulations really to all of us for enduring B.E.E. casuals,

which, yes, they hate everyone except for Saul and a little bit of Kyle is essentially the takeaway from it. Okay. Well, I definitely did not hate this game. Such a great time to check in with the casuals. Liana cannot wait to see what happens after the season, especially because it's a little bit of like, well, Saul's not going to win.

So we'll see if they gather behind somebody by the end of all of this. To finish things off, of course, as always, we see the spotlight over to our guests to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them pretty of course you have a usual go-to is it going to be your go-to for this week i mean liana almost served it up with the teeny and the adopting a puppy and cannibals and the cannibals not so much please don't cannibalize or do anything of that nature if you can help it um yeah

i understand if you're in a bind like i get it but like if you just try not to i'm not gonna judge too much only yum your yuck or yuck your yum well that's what you say hopefully you're saying that when you're eating someone either yuck or yum you know uh it happens to the best of us or the worst of us mostly the worst of us, mostly the worst of us. Anyway, yes, I wanted to shout out because I do it all the time. The SPCA, I volunteered for them. They are all over the country, actually all over the world,

but they're not in every state. So if they're not, that's okay. It's mostly just like adopt, don't shop. Adopt pets, adopt little teenies of the world if you can. You know, give them a forever home. That's where I did with my kitty. And it's a great little thing. And, you know, give them a forever home. That's where I did with my kitty. And it's, uh, it's a great little thing. And, you know, I have volunteered my time. I've also donated to

them as well. Uh, great, great stuff there. And I'm, I'm sure wherever you are in the country or even the world, if there's something nearby or something adjacent to it, that is about animals and pets and not being cruel and just being conscientious, conscientious and educated about what it is. And, you know, don't, don't jump into it without realizing this is another creature you're putting into your life and it's going to live for the next 10, 15 years. So, but yeah, there's a lot going on. So I would say SPCA for sure. That would be my charity that I strongly recommend partially because I literally have volunteered and donated to them myself. So. Well, thank you for volunteering your time as always to come on and

talk with us about all this nonsense your thoughts on the season so far and opening yourself up to the casuals you are uh unlike these players the exact opposite of a wimp you do not wipe well so odd out of context i do have a bidet i have a bidet so maybe it's true i have a bidet well you guys i can't attest it's good quality oh my a bidet. I can confirm. I can't attest. It's good quality. Oh my God. Well, Peridium,

of course, you are absolutely filling up the internet with your weekly content and not only Survivor, but all reality TV on your YouTube channel. Anything you want to plug

that's either just released or coming up or anybody who is either subscribed or not yet? I mean, every Wednesday on youtube is survivor and honestly it'll be that way until the next big brother season so we're looking at another

what is it six months or so of survivor content if you're interested and you want to listen to me talk for 15 minutes instead of an hour and a half 15 minutes i'll ask every week just whatever the topic is it'll be about survivor um i've been talking about rogue votes i talked about how a single vote can make all the difference uh actually was interestingly so saul could have made it into a video i recently made unfortunately he didn't survive the vote but the idea was players who were basically on death's door and managed to escape death and survive for example rachel will be a great one she'd be great one um when i saw uh sam go up to uh

saul and was like this is gonna be the most important conversation you have and i'm like uh-oh this is bad for so this might be the last conversation he has it reminded me heavily of eddie and andrea from caramon except andrea survived the vote i was hoping so would have the same fate unfortunately he did not survive but um so i make videos every week about survivor and uh it's it's just it's what i do i have a good time i've been doing it for seven years and we'll see how long it goes so that's yeah i would call it essential watching for future castaways hell i mean uh andy himself name drops pretty i'm in my interview with him he watched the your challenge hack videos all of the compilations that you do. So I would say personally,

not to put words in his mouth, if Andy does win a challenge, I think he takes some credit for it. Absolutely. I have another challenge hack video coming up. Why not? And we'll see what goes on. And if Andy decides to do something,

when it's a challenge, it's definitely going to be hacked because Andy surprisingly won a challenge. So there's got to be something to talk about there exactly yeah that's what's going on well as we lie eagerly and wait for that inevitability to happen liana of course you are keeping your wednesday nights busy not only covering survivor but also the mass singer new group introduced we love it it's like a little new a little premiere all over again so that's always really fun more than halfway through a season yeah we essentially the mass singer has like

three premieres the way it works because you get these these new groups so it's like always exciting so you can hear puya and i talk about that and you can follow me on blue sky at uh what am i liana is um dot blue sky dot social or whatever it is but you you find me just search my name yeah you can follow me on blue pretty bear you on blue sky as well i did dot blue sky dot social or whatever it is but you you find me just search my name yeah you can follow me on blue porting bar you on blue sky as well i did join blue sky tweet uh not even tweet i post i don't know is it skeeting well when you swallow the load there certainly is skeets going on here yeah i did i put out two skeets so far one was just a dot just for fun okay if it was working and the other one i advertised the video I am advertising on. I've got like a couple hundred people following at this point.

I'm like, good for them. You know, let's get to a couple thousand by this podcast. And you've got it. People go to it. Yeah. Check us all out.

All out there. I know that a few of us, myself, Dalton Ross, Josh, like exclusively speeded on Wednesday. And it was fun. It's fun to build a community over there in new space.

Blue Sky is so much, it feels like Twitter before Twitter became such a garbage dump. Yes. Which is like, great. It basically looks, there have been times where I had Blue Sky open on my phone and I'm like, didn't realize I thought it was on Twitter for a second or vice versa because they look exactly

the same except there's like way less ads, way less of the whole, Oh man, it's just, you know, it's just that direction. It's just awful. So this guy's good so far.

Yeah. So you can check all us, all of us out on there. You can check out my interview with Saul, which was a really great time. Love talking with Saul. And also if you want Saul's response to, as we've talked about throughout a lot of overwhelming positivity towards him from the fandom he has a lot of gratitude towards

the fans from all social media sites for a lot of support that the soldiers were showing out even if he didn't have the troops amassed on the island and then all the other stuff that I'm doing I'll shout out that uh silo season two just premiered on apple tv plus which was a a very fun sci-fi show that i'm recapping with grace leader had owen knight on tv for real which was a great time told some some harrowing stories about the fact that two-thirds of the panel nearly ran over award-winning quarterbacks with their cars at points in their lives we get to a lot of weird shit and that's coming from someone who hosts the bnb so check it all out follow me at a mike bloom type next week what is this a crossover episode yes yes it is because we haven't done this in a while but shannon gus is going to hop across

international waters and join liana and i to talk about episode 10. We're reaching double digits. It's the actual final nine vote. Hopefully no votes are lost. I'm intrigued to see where we go from here. I think everyone kind of hiding behind the Saul vote made things pretty easy despite all the difficulties of the whispering. So this could get cracked wide open.

I'm sure we'll give Chizzy points. I'm sure we'll have a lot of malarkey along the way. So make sure you don't miss a second of it. Make sure you send us game ideas as well, RHAPB&B at gmail.com or hashtag RHAPB&B on social media. Special thanks to everyone behind the scenes at RHAP

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