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Episode Date: November 30, 2024

The baby boys are back! Join @briceizyah, @wendellholland, and @jackatkins21 alongside Survivor 44’s Maddy Pomilla (@jeffprobstcanyouhearme) as they break down Survivor 47, Episode 11. With alliances crumbling, Kyle and Genevieve take center stage while duos like Rachel and Andy or Sue and Caroline work the cracks to navigate the game. The stakes soar as a classic immunity challenge determines who secures a spot in the final seven. Who will outwit, outplay, and outlast in this pivotal episode? Tune in for a deep dive into strategy, bold moves, and all the fiery Tribal drama!

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If you celebrate Thanksgiving, the baby boys are back. Jack Atkins, Wendell Holland, and we are joined by Queen Maddie P. from Survivor 44. We are getting into the holiday, how we spent our holidays and Thanksgiving, and we are diving into Survivor Season 47, Episode 11. We are talking this journey. We're talking Episode 11. We are talking this journey. We're talking the challenge. We're talking this underdog now-turned-majority alliance.

We're seeing if this vote-out was the correct vote-out this week. So much more. Let's get into this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. and we are back this week with your Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Dot, dot, dot. And we are back this week with your Survivor News of Covering Survivor, Season 47, Episode 11. We're super excited. We hope you all had a very healthy and happy holiday with your family. Super excited to be back with our co-host, the winner of Wendell, the winner of Ghost Island, first merge boot and owner of the Gaslamp Hotel. Welcome back to the podcast, Wendeezy. What's up?

What's up, Bryce? Good to be back. Good to see you, Jack. And it is a pleasure to see you, Maddie. So good to be here. What an introduction for Wendell. Right. I mean, he cleaned it up a bit. We have the season two of The Circle, the mac and cheese pro-cell, pro-proclaimed self. I don't even know what that word is, but proclaimed self of the macaroni and cheese buffalo style. We've got Jack Adkins. Jackery, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. Hot off a nice Thanksgiving and ready to dive in and excited for today's guest, Bryce. Yes, enough about these two

ordinary boys. We are so excited to welcome to the podcast a queen, a legend in her own right, the most iconic person I know. And if you are ever in New Orleans and there are a group of people that you have to corral, but you're kind of scared to speak up, the person that will come to you and say, Bryce, do it, I'll support you. Let's welcome to the podcast, Survivor 44, Maddie P.

How you doing? Thank you so much, Bryce. What an intro. We really had a time. I have missed you guys. Y'all, we had a time. We went to Owen Knight's wedding in New Orleans. These boys are a good ass time.

We had a really good one. Bryce, we missed you. So we ended up at a rave at like four in the morning in our wedding wear. Like I was in a full on rave. Yeah. Wendell wasn't there. No one saw Wendell there.

But we missed you, Bryce. We were like, this is his shit. He would love this. I was so jealous. I had a five like 20 flight the next morning. So I was like, I cannot be a Jack Atkins and sleep the day away. I have to get up. So I heard, I saw the photos and the videos. It looked fun. We had a lot. It was a lot. Holidays was great. How was everyone's Thanksgiving?

It was good. It was good. Down in Nashville with some family uh didn't end up cooking too i made the biscuits that's my plate i said price a pick of the plate uh you're gonna see some beef tender we did turkey for lunch and then for dinner some beef tenderloin some roasted potatoes mac and cheese i don't see the raisins in the mac and cheese come on now there's never raisins on my plate and then a nice biscuit in the middle you know i'm not gonna they could have used a little bit more seasoning i gotta keep it down because the family's downstairs but it was all in all it was a decent meal so i have no, what I love about that plate

is you got your veggies in. I saw two pieces of broccoli, not one, but two. You might also see some sprouts over there like Brussels sprouts in the corner. And when we went back for seconds, we actually got some more vegetables back in the mix.

It's the way the roll is perfectly centered in the middle. Did you plan that, Jack? I did it. I started putting everything on its own little side and then lastly I had to grab the roll. Nice little spot in the middle for that. So just popped it down in there. I think it really ties

the place together. Jack, I will say the sun and the food is like the sun beams coming off of it. Okay. And what would the macaroni and cheese be? That's just a husky sunbeam with raisins and grapes in it. Okay.

Well, Jack, I will say this. What your Thanksgiving plate might be lacking in seasoning, the decoration and the decor around it make up for it? Is that like a bell pepper, salt and pepper, or butter? What is that? That's just a little pumpkin just garnished. I don't think it has any purpose other than the... Other than looking fly.

Yeah. Shout out to my aunt. My aunt Mary knows how to, you know, keep a household looking nice. So shout out. Shout out to looking nice. So, shout out. Shout out to Aunt Mary. We love this. Now, what does a Thanksgiving look like when you have a one-year-old?

He is so cute. He was sitting on my lap and he had his own plate, but he just kept on taking it off of my plate and taking it off of my Uncle Larry who was sitting next to me, his plate. So when he was enjoying himself and yeah, he wasn't, he was annihilating the mac and cheese. He wasn't going in on the turkey too hard though. He wasn't going in on the turkey too hard, though. Yeah. I'd say your son has a knack for photography because he took this photo of the plate.

And it's the angle for me. I like how it's giving something here. So we're going to have to get him a camera or something for Christmas. It's a nice low angle. Yes. I think it's artistic. This is how Gen Z, or Jack, you can this is how like Gen Z Jack you can speak to this Gen Z are taking their

photos like this posting them in the whatever Instagram reels all like blurry like this this is like a Brooklyn hipster so I think I like it it's kind of like a POV too because you he's about to maybe get a bite

I think it speaks to his life as a baby you know at that level EOV too, because you get a bite. I think it speaks to his life as a baby, you know, at that level. A different perspective. You think that's why he took it like that, Jack? Yeah. I think so. I think it's a statement piece. I agree.

And it's, you know, you said he was smacking the mac and cheese, wasn't feeling the turkey. But, you know but in the way the turkey's kind of in the way of the mac and cheese, it's kind of like you can't let that stop you from reaching your goals. Okay. I love that. It's a young Basquiat. Come on. I want my whole plate to be starch. I don't want any protein, any greens.

I want like your biscuit, Jack, your clump of mac and cheese and then Wendell's mac and cheese next to it. And that's like, that hits all the food pyramid for me. Bryce! The baby boy wasn't playing. My mom recently had surgery, so normally she is the cook of the family, so I had to

step it up. Not only did we have a Bryson win the night before, the baby boy had to get up early and do my thing of the family. So I had to step it up. Not only did we have a Bryson win the night before, baby boy had to get up early and do my thing in the kitchen. And so, yeah. Bryce, did you like this or did you cater it again? Excuse me, Wendell. Okay. The truth is about to come out.

I just remembered you. I don't know. I'm not sure what you're describing. Wait, Bryce, bring that picture back up. Bring that picture back up. I might have seen some of those aluminum trays. Yeah, when you have a big

family, Maddie, that's like, first of all, saves on dishes. And when you're cooking for a large family,'s you know you got a buffet style sometimes so the morgan alum did she did she drop all that food off for you no that's my that's my cousin valita she lives around the corner from my mom so she she came helped okay the wonderful food that i purchased. I mean, that I cooked. So, yeah.

I got two things about this. A, good to see Ms. Barb looking happy and healthy in the back. And B, I'm curious, what was smacking the most out of this spread? The candy yams. You know, they smack, they hit every time. They smack. They hit every time. They don't miss. Delicious. The green beans were really good as well, too. We had a little turkey butt in the green beans, you know, give it that smoke

flavor. Sorry, Maddie, sometimes I crack myself up. You ever suck the meat out of a butt? That's awesome. Okay. ever you ever suck the meat out of a butt that's okay we're like nine minutes in we get in trouble maddie from the posse from time to time uh sometimes they say we we go to

they don't they like the small talk then they don't like the small talk but it's thanksgiving so i feel like you know we had to talk about it. And how was your Thanksgiving spread, Maddie? It was good. My dad in the last few years has been doing HelloFresh, not sponsored, not sponsored. Just he does do HelloFresh. He's got one too. And he has gone from not cooking at all to being really proud of his cooking.

So every year at Thanksgiving, he's been doing it on his own. I did the cranberry sauce, so I helped a little bit, but he has been every year getting better. So it was really cute. He did a great job. Wait, Maddie. So was Thanksgiving dinner like seven different hello fresh meals? You have the cardboard, like the instructions out?

No, no, it was proper turkey, all that, yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was good. And it's funny because my home, y'all, I felt like I was playing Survivor. So I have four sisters and everyone it's like we ride down. We used to ride home in a clown car, everyone all together in one tiny little car together. And then like some years,

you know how people are doing because the car situation. So this year we had two in one car, two in another. Okay. So that's telling you something. So we get home at like 3. I'm telling you 9 a.m the next day people are whispering in the kitchen there's alliances happening one of my sisters said maddie i want to let you know we're gonna call her vanessa vanessa's gonna come talk to you today i'm like well i'm blowing up my other sister's spot who just told me this because i'm like i don't want any of this drama i'm not doing this politicking so i'm talking loud she's like you have to whisper you have to whisper so then vanessa overhears the whispering not even me

blowing up her spot comes down she's like we're gonna call her marissa she says marissa i heard you whispering to maddie why were you whispering to maddie four hour long fight i'm sitting in the middle. It's like, did you guys see Challengers? Yes. I was Zendaya. In the middle. They're going back and forth.

Four hours. So that was Wednesday. Survivor was the least survivor that was happening that night. Survivor was happening in the Pamela household. It was insane. But we're good now. Wow. No shot.

Was that like a sister and a sister-in-law? What'd you say? No what? Were those both sisters or was that like a sister and a sister-in-law? No, no, no. This is blood. Oh. Yeah. Any shot in the darksplay?

Someone shoulda because we would have been out of there sooner i was like on hour two i was like can we wrap this up and we kept being like everyone would be like no no we're done and then and he's like one more thing so i pulled a rome i was jeff probst you got to sit in the seat yes it's not the holidays if it's not a little family drama okay yeah yeah but the bryce and win tour 47 continues we just were in our hometown of philadelphia this past wednesday uh this upcoming wednesday december 4th we're going to be in boston and whoo baby boston is going to be something special. That's a good one.

Yeah. After Boston, it will be Washington, D.C. And then New York City for the part two. Because, you know, the part one of the finale is in Washington, D.C. Then we'll be in New York. Don't miss out on the Bryce and Wintour 47. It's a time to be had. I do.

I know we are like 11 minutes in. I'm so sorry for the listening and watching. But, Jackery, I have to give you your flowers. When we were in Philadelphia, I have to say the amount of posse members that came up to me and said, they listened to Survivor News. And they said, Bryce, you, you, you, you go in on Jack. I said, well, that's my brother. I'm going to go in. They said, we have to tell you, over the last three seasons of Survivor News, Jack holds his own. Jack knows how you coming.

And somebody said to me, they said, Jack's right. Don't text him nothing about Survivor because that is a spoiler. They also said about me. I said, Wendell, come listen to this. You got to hear what they said about Jack.

And they're like, oh yeah, Wendell, you don't even talk on the podcast. But, and I don't need to say anything else, but they also gave us the ultimate compliment. They said the fight in their family, their survivor family. They listen to a lot of other podcasts and they said a new, more recent fight in their family has been that Survivor News is the superior survivor podcast.

And people were fighting back about that. Survivor podcast. And people were fighting back about that? They had some legendary podcast that they listened to, and it was the brother. Do you remember the brother's name, Wendell? Was it Brockman? It started

with a B. It was our boy Declan. Declan? Yeah, another Declan. Declan said, Survivor News is where it's at. So i just wanted to just let you know jack the posse sees you and if i gotta come harder now okay because and also posse we thank you and we like hearing from you in person so you know and you could keep it real with us i mean y' y'all definitely said, Wendell, you don't talk.

What you doing? And I was like, I mean, you're right. I disappeared. But we appreciate you guys so much. So thank you. Yeah, this is very nice to hear. Thank you for sharing, Bryce. Posse, thanks for holding it down.

I see you guys in the comments showing love. Even last week, I got put on blast for my mac and cheese innovations. And I saw some comments that were like, I'll give it a try. So we'll have a cooking episode coming soon. But yeah, always great to hear. I wish I was able to come to more events this season to hang out with the Purple Pants posse a little bit more. But Bryce, I did. I was at a function a couple weeks ago

and a friend of a friend i my friend introduced me to his friend and then his friend was like i listened to the survivor news and i was like and i think not not gonna give it he said he was pretty far in the uh the casting process for 49 so oh what's up he might be divulging too much information you know i'm gonna i'm gonna keep the the person anonymous so okay um you know but uh you know just get just good to hear there's nothing better than just being in the wild and finding a posse number, you know. So that makes it feel a little bit more, you know, like what we're doing is, you know, getting out there. So that's very nice, Bryce.

Thank you for sharing that. You're allowed to, you know, keep giving me shit. I'm going to keep holding it down. But, yeah, should we get into this week's episode? One last thing. Hey, James' friend, we hope you get on. Yeah. Absolutely.

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So you should be telling people you definitely shouldn't be telling people. But so far, the people that I know who have squealed to me, they all get on. Maddie, since I want to say we've been doing Bryce and Wendell for the past four years. Every party, every year since the party, there have been someone at our parties that are on the next season. I mean, I don't work for casting, but you can

call me Jesse. Bryce, who, I know because we can talk about past people that have been on, right? So I know Andy I met Andy who else he got there's Rome there's Carla

Carla really I didn't know that Charlie right Charlie there's James Jones who and then it's like two more but and then James Jones. James Jones. Who? It's like two more.

We can have the Survivor All-Stars just out of Bryce and Wend attendees. Right. I mean, there might be some... I'm not good at counting, but say it to yourself. What's the number after 47? Okay. Might have some other

stories to tell. We'll see, I guess. Okay, maybe then... Alright, well, listen, because I don't want to get cussed out, and if y'all cussing us out in the comments, just write Maddie. It's Maddie Fall, okay? Blame it on Maddie.

I can take it. I can take it. Y'all heard about the sisters there's nothing anyone could say in the comments that's meaner than what my sister said to me so we're good what we gotta do we just gotta put when we post it right right in the comments starts at 18 20 and then 18 20 we're getting into it let's go jackery what you got because this episode so i'm to start off again. I don't know if this, again, I'm just going to say it. This might be a hot take, and I want to hear from you guys.

There's lots to unpack, but to me, this might have been the worst episode of the season. I just felt like it was a little bit predictable. Obviously, we had, Kyle's been on this immunity run, and when he loses, it kind of becomes a little bit obvious that he's going to be the target. Genevieve gets thrown in the mix, but it didn't even seem like there was that much traction for it

during the episode. And then the whole, I guess the other story is this underdog alliance forming, but it's like, all right, well, now you have the majority. You have some good people in the mix on there. The people that aren't in there are Sam, Genevieve, and Kyle, and by no means are they the big dogs. get in with the group genevieve has lost a lot of her leverage since the solvo at james jones i told you so and the file has just been like you know not really taking a lot of agency in the game so they call themselves the underdog but it's like now you got the three the winner is probably in that group now so um i don't know like there's obviously some different things throughout the episode we can get into but what sort of like like right what stuck out to you not so much this episode i want to take it back okay let's go back back back back back because in this episode jack i really thought of you well mind you i think of you all the time whenever i'm

watching and wendell can attest to this, whenever I'm watching an episode, I'm like, I gotta tell this to Jack, or Jack said this, or it's a James Jones. I don't know why you are like my survivor thermometer of whether I think something is a good move. And Wendell's like, you do know I won, right? I'm like, I don't care about that.

Jack, no. Jack, no. But it really has me thinking, and I guess it's the holiday season, so I'm gonna be nice to you, Jack, this episode. You're right sometimes. And I'll be wrong a lot of the times. And I think like with Genevieve, right? A couple of episodes ago, I was like, Genevieve, that girl, that girl, that girl. She's making these moves. And it's like, I guess when you think in hindsight, right? Like you're making these big moves. But it's like, I really you think in hindsight right like you're making these big moves but it's like I really feel like I love Genevieve but it's almost like she's backed herself into this corner where it's like you don't really have too many places to go and it's like these power moves that are such power moves two episodes ago like it's like Tetris you know when you're playing Tetris and it's like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

And you're like, ooh, that slot right there is really good. But then you're like, well, maybe I shouldn't have put that piece that got the thing hanging down right there. Maybe I should have flipped it. So it's just, I'm looking at a lot of different players like

Genevieve. I'm even looking at players like Kyle where it's like, wow, like these other moves that you've done in the past were really great. But you kind of get like landlocked. I also my last other comment is maybe as a viewer, we didn't see it. watching this episode, my like hindsight or Monday morning quarterbacking, like I didn't realize how much agency Gabe had in this

game because this episode right here, the fact that so many more moving pieces are able to move now because Gabe is out. I'm like Gabe really had that ish on lock. There was a lot of fallout there was a lot of like all right now people can get scooped up now other things can happen yeah yeah he might have been the glue guy

don't tell Sam now but he might have been the glue guy I got a question guys is been a glue guy. I got a question, guys. Is Andy a glue guy? Is, like, first of all, how connected is he with everyone? Or is it, all right, everyone's just like, yeah, I'm fine going far with Andy. Or is it like Andy is closer with everyone than anyone? See, now, y'all know I love my man Andy. My man, my man, my man Andy. However, I love Genevieve, and I think Genevieve, her pulse on the game is right on, right?

Like, you can even see in her spirit and tribal counsel. Jeff's like, first of all, Jeff is a troll. Okay? Jeff probes F you. First of all, you know Genevieve getting beat down. Jeff will say, hey, Genevieve, your voice isn't as clear as it was. You're hunching down in your seat.

You look sad. Everything okay? Like, why would Jeff troll her like that? I think he does this to antagonize people. So, when I was in casting, I think if his perception of you is that you are, like, strong in yourself,

then he's trying to get you off kilter a little bit so that you can be more raw more more forthcoming with what you're thinking because nobody's just strong right they're like everybody's got insecurities everybody has self-doubts whatever so I think that's what he was doing I think he was trying to pull out what's really going on in Genevieve's head because she's so poised and articulate and like she's she's so much like we were watching her I remember in the cast assessment I'm like that could be the winner right there and we watched her play so strong and like you said poised making these moves and we're seeing a different Genevieve now where it's just like man this person it's almost like the game doesn't lookvieve now where it's just like man this person it's almost

like the game doesn't look fun to her anymore it's almost like the product of a lot of strong moves that she made it's catching up to her and she's like man like it actually hurt to vote out Kashan and watch him say that he trusted me or like these other moves it actually hurts me and I think we got a confessional where she said she'd rather be the villain that has to make these tough calls and send people home than a friend who is because then that hurts even more and it's interesting to watch this Genevieve arc right now and especially now that she's not in a power position she's a powerful player but we're watching her like, it's almost like she's,

she's crumbling a little bit or, or her, her ties are crumbling. What I want to see, I'm sorry. I just want to, I want to see her like snap back into the Genevieve we know and like, just keep on working these angles. We got these three people. It's like, go look for idols, like try something. Don't wallow. Don't, you know, that's, that's all. I also think what Genevieve said regarding, like, even at tribal council, I didn't think it was, like, the smartest thing for her to say out loud

when she was saying, I disconnect, right? Like, I'm not connected to anybody. I'm just a player. And I'm like, Genevieve, girl, first of all, you can't say that because now everybody looking at you like, well, damn, sis, I thought we had a moment. And I again, I always say this to the people that watch Survivor, right? Like it is you can go in there being like, I'm the mastermind. I'm going to play. I'm going to do all of this. But it's a real game, right? Emotions get attached.

And I think that one of Genevieve's flaws in this is that she's playing as player Genevieve. of Genevieve's flaws in this is that she's playing as player Genevieve and I really want to quote Gabe or just cite Gabe and Sue's relationship right like Gabe made that heart-to-heart connection like and look how ride or die Sue is I really think that like Genevieve gotta like morph into like real Genevieve and player Genevieve because it's like it's a business transaction and it's going to be hard to get to the end now I mean you're playing phenomenally but like you got to have a little heart you like you can't just cut it off I think that some people and I might be like this too compartmentalize so like I have work Maddie and I have fun Maddie and they're kind of two modes and I wonder if in Genevieve's life she's had to like compartmentalize and that's what she's doing here but I agree with you like some really

successful players like Jam Jam you better believe that Jam Jam in his personal life and Jam Jam at work they morph and that's why he's so successful in life and Survivor etc is like finding that balance and I feel the same way with both of you. Like you can be in production mode doing your thing, but you both have like, you're able to incorporate the personal in it. And I think that especially in the new era makes people really successful. So I agree with you, Bryce, if she can come back into her body and find the balance, but I can see the psychology that she's working through of like almost maybe wondering like what's the point of this game or like or she's trying to stick to the point of the game but forgetting that like it's complicated I'm wondering for people that played

longer I mean I certainly felt that even in the first three days like I did sort of feel like I thought I wanted to do this and now I'm wondering if like if I'm cut out for it was there a point for either of you and Jack you were on Survivor too so you speak to this whenever I'm with when I'm with Jack at Survivor modes people are like who's this I'm like Jack he's from Survivor like duh yeah I want to know if you guys felt that. I think I did from the opposite angle, right? Like, I think that, like, for me, it was more the emotional side and the connection side. And it wasn't so much of, like, the gameplay and the aspect. Because for me, it's just a little different.

Like, I was just unable to penetrate the majority of my tribe. They couldn't really see the business price. Even when I would try to present it, they just like, oh, okay. And so it was more like the emotional side. Another just real quick thing that you said about Genevieve, work Genevieve and personal Genevieve. I just need Genevieve to go to the holiday party, right?

Like just get to the holiday party, Genevieve, where it need Genevieve to go to the holiday party. Just get to the holiday party, Genevieve, where it's like work and personal a little bit like that. That's the perfect mix we need. Yeah, you can loosen up a little bit at the holiday party. Just don't OD. Right. Genevieve's case is interesting because she

came in playing pretty savage pretty early, right? With the Keyshawn vote, with the key shamba with the solvo uh and you know that's sometimes something you know that those big betrayals a lot of times people save that for the end of the game um and for her i wonder to me i mean a it was clear how much it affected teeny who was someone that she was close to and maybe that hurt and part of me also wonders like hey outside of genevieve's feelings about it maybe it's like she makes this big move and all of a sudden people don't really trust her because

of this move she's kind of on the outs and maybe part of her is thinking like oh when I play a little bit more savagely that lands me on the outside like it did last time which isn't necessarily a direct result but just because of the move that she made so maybe she's like oh i did all this and now i'm on the bottom and it's like maybe she's just kind of correlating those things with like oh that was bad because now i'm in a bad spot when it's like no if you can flip that switch back on at the right time get to that holiday party, pour up a little eggnog, do a little white Christmas or white elephant or whatever it is. White elephant. White elephant.

Then she could be back in a good spot. So I'm hoping, you know, maybe now she's survived a couple tribals where she was kind of the second option. Maybe she can be like, all right, I got a second life in this game. I'm playing with some house money. Let me get, you know, back in my zone, but I'm definitely, she's a great player, but I'm a little bit worried with the spot that she's ended up there. Can I ask the group a

question? Genevieve said something that was interesting towards the end of the episode. Andy, y'all know I love my man, Andy. I am hoping that Andy can win. I'm hoping that Andy gets far. Do we think it might be a case of editing in the sense of we are seeing this Andy that is this mastermind. We are loving him. I mean, I love him. It was interesting when Genevieve started poaching people

and she was like, these people that we just bringing on along, like, how about we get rid of them and she mentions Andy and Sue right but more specifically Andy because they don't really show Sue like the editors as somebody like Sue is just loyal and riding on but with Andy it's like even if Andy is doing all of these great things it's perception that matters and it's like I don't know I doing all of these great things, it's perception that matters. And it's like, I don't know. I just thought that was really telling that she would name an Andy.

And I'm like, wow, is do they still not see Andy for all? Like, is that a good position for Andy to be in? Or is that like not great for Andy to be in? Is the question. That's a good question. I think that since Andy's first day when he uh when he fell out on the sand and did all of that I need it all I'm dying what is it like they're not clapping for me all of that right I think everyone looked at him differently from then on and I think that helps

and Andy get to the end of the game it's like people people are looking at him, like not taking him as seriously, but that also helps Andy because now we're getting these awesome confessionals where he's like, he is making moves, but he's also being the Andy that we saw on day one. Like there are multiple sides to Andy. So you have a Genevieve who has been playing the game, making tough moves,

like really playing survivor since day one. And she might look at an Andy, like we saw him on day one. But in actuality, Andy is making, he's talking to people like, and again, it's easier to get to the end of the game when people look at you as someone they want to sit next to. So it could be a two-way street, but Andy is still opening those doors and having these conversations and sitting in his confessionals and explaining his moves.

So I think there's a world where Andy does get to the end of the game and he does receive some votes because he made a lot of these connections and he's able to articulate it. But I also think there's a world where he gets some votes, but people are mad at him for the same thing that he admitted to in this tribal council council where he was like, I lied to all of their faces and sent them home. So, like, I could see people appreciating that and I could see people bitter about that. But I can certainly see Andy sitting somewhere at the end. Am I talking enough for you guys? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, Andy's a really curious case for me like I think you know we heard early in the season all these high school analogies about like I only had four friends I wasn't sitting at the cool kids table and to me now

Andy's gameplay kind of feels like someone who wants to see that cool kids table. And maybe there's a few different cool kids tables and Andy's put himself in a position where it's like, Oh, I could grab my chicken nuggets from the lunch lady and I could go sit at a couple of different tables, which is great in terms of his connections. But I don't really think he's a core. We talked about, is he a glue guy? I don't think so.

He's someone who could bounce around in these different spots, but he's not that core person for any of the groups and he's got a lot of agency it seems like and a lot of connections but and we see him time and time again getting confessionals like oh i mean i could do whatever i want i can make but i look at it i'm like has he really made any game winning moves yet not really like we see this episode he wants to go for Genevieve which I actually think is the right move but he kind of gets written off like the case he makes and Bryce we talking about Kyle's immunity run you guys were like no one's out there thinking that my man my boy Andy is um but he makes this case and it just doesn't really get

a lot of traction so So for me, it feels like Andy's, it reminds me of high school. There's kids where, you know, they'll try to get in with every crew, but they don't really have their own squad and that's going to get him in trouble. Not to mention, like you said, where he's talking to the jury like, I lied to all of their faces, da-da-da. It feels a little bit

like braggadocious. Like he's kind of rubbing it in and it's not so much there's not enough finesse right there um so i i really i think andy could go real far but i don't think anyone's really taking his game at super seriously so i think he's going to get to the end i think he played a tony vacos game and really like lay it on the jury and then maybe get like one to zero votes is kind of how i feel but are there any glue people out there um me i think i would say rachel's the the most gluey and she's in this underdog alliance where

she's uh i think the best player in that group right now and she's got some tricks up her sleeve with an idol with a block of boat and some clear targets in front of her. So if I was a betting man, I'd bet the house on Rachel because I think she's going to be able to get to five pretty easily. Maybe play her idol, maybe win a challenge, do well in fire and really have a good case at the end. So now, well, I want to hear your thoughts, Maddie. Who who did you say you thought was blue? So I think socially teeny, but i actually want to pull on the thread that jack was going with there do we think okay we're there like imagine being there not watching it are people not seeing be there brags are people not seeing rachel there are a lot of distractions

you got kyle winning everything you got sam this this guy who he's a loner but he's like this big handsome whatever guy and you have jenna who has made these moves so there's a lot of distractions if you ask me and in in um in rachel's case now she like yeah if she makes it to the end she can win she. She has an arsenal. She has a, what is it, block of vote? She has a, she just won immunity. She went on this journey. Like, but what I'm scared of is if Rachel goes out, like, really close to the end. So, because she has everything in her pocket that could get her, it could propel her right to, you know, fire making or something like that. I'm scared that whoever sees that and they're like, we have one shot to get her out. Fire making or something like that. I'm scared that whoever sees that and they're like,

we have one shot to get her out. Fire making or not. That's why I think she's a good spot, because if they take that shot at her, then they're going to let a Genevieve or a Sam slide through, who seems to be a more obvious target, even if right now their games might not stack up with Rachel's as well. Sorry, Bryce, but yeah.

I was going to say, I think what I love the most about Rachel is it's like she don't want none of this, right? Like she's been a solid player and she hasn't been really seeking out all of these things that kind of is coming to her. And she's kind of like, you think of Andy, how Andy's like,

I'm going to do all of this. And she's like, I don't want none of this. However, let me see what I can do and how I can do it. It's this weird feeling that like, I like about Rachel's position where it's like she's been on the bottom. She's been screwed over. She's been in these well enough positions. She has these relationships that like she didn't necessarily want.

They've screwed her over. And now it's like, all right, we got to figure this out. I don't know. It's like that this hungerness in her. But I do want to say something, because what are y'all going to do is stop playing with my girl. You said who's a glue person. I hear not one of y'all say the right thing. And the right thing is careful of the lie. Okay, like let's give our queen her flowers. First of all, her story about the adhd y'all know me i'm

an emotional person i cry but hearing her talk about being her younger self and trying to get tasks done but she couldn't get tasks done because she could always focus on different stuff and she just was so hard on herself and she was like felt like she like we're not maddie the way that hit me i'm like your youngest self caroline baby i'm in my early to late 30s and i'm struggling with that right now like that was such a real moment and in my opinion to know that about caroline and to see the way that she's able to maneuver through this game in such an authentic honest way I've been saying all season it's so refreshing like she had to turn on Gabe and pissed off Sue she ain't run from it she said hey Sue Gabe was telling me everything to do and I like I came to play and I can't play with the way he doing.

And I like, and Sue was like, you know what? I love that girl. Right. Like in the midst of the tribal council, when Jeffrey is beating up on my girl, Genevieve.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Carolina is like, well, actually Jeff. Well, actually words that I listened to are from a great survivor that say, you know, when the smoke is smoking,

light a joint, you know, and he's like, well, who said that? And she's like, Caroline, like, I don't know. It's her, I don't know, I can't describe. She's a great communicator. Right. And she seems like a great friend, like,

in survival and in life. I agree with you there. Like, she knows, like we said earlier, you can tell she works kind of corporate with some of the lingo she uses, but she's also very, like, empathetic, and, yeah, she's someone out there. And she cut Gabe when she needed

to cut Gabe. Like, you know, like, she, I said, but then when I was watching this episode, though, when I was watching this episode, and I was watching this episode and I'm like girl I think you cut the wrong person I there's a world where she should have kind of maybe cut Sue could you like

and have Gabe still there because they would have still like I I just that would pop into my mind like Carol I think you might have should have got Sue but Sue so loyal like the way that sue was talking about who came up to oh rachel rachel rachel shared that immediately sue opens her heart and is like now i trust you you know that that i feel like that's hard to get rid of right do you think that gabe was loyal to caroline i i don't think that Gabe was loyal to Caroline? I don't think Gabe was really loyal to anybody.

Like, he just used her. Not used her, but I think, like, it was good, so it was good. Yeah. Can I tell y'all the most funniest moment of the episode when I rewatched it? Tell. And also, it was like a humble brag. No, no. it. Tell. And also it's like a humble brag. When Rachel No, no. When Rachel

won the immunity, the bat necklace, they came back to camp. She turned to Kyle and said, where do I put this? I don't even know where to put it. Kyle was like,

hey, go right over here. Put it up right there. Push it back and it won't. I don't know why I thought that was so funny that she literally had to go to Kyle and say, where do I put this mother effer? Kyle's like, it go right there. He should have said, put it around my neck. Yeah. Can you do that? Can you bequeath the necklace to anyone? Yes. It hasn't happened in a while.

Maddie. Eric is the last person, right? Who didn't? Eric. I think Brandon Hans did it too, right? Wow. So, I was thinking that. Sorry, I'm all chaotic.

You're good. I'll chaos my mind. Jack, since you are the only real survivor player here what are the rules no i mean not maddie not no jackson you and maddie sorry are the only real survivor players here what is the rule about that because out that when i say that has kept me up at night so many times right so you can give your necklace to somebody. However, do you have to make a proclamation soon as you get to tribal? Or can you use it like an idol when after the votes are counted and just said, does anybody have an idol? Do you know? It has to be before the votes are cast.

Yeah, you can't you can't use it like an idol on someone else. OK, then that kind of takes the power out of it exactly that's why it's like no one really does it because then you're just like completely exposed so um yeah it would be i'm sure at some point it'll probably happen again you know they just gotta and now they cast all people that know the game and they know nobody does that so it's just kind of now, it's like no one's going to do it. Back in the day, you'd have people that would be like,

why not? Right. But is there a world where I could give it to Maddie? But like, just have her wear it. I'm not giving it to her. She just wears it at Tribal. But then I'm sure Jeff would then ask. But,

because that would throw a lot of people off. Like, why the hell is Maddie wearing the necklace? That would be so fun. Wait, I hope someone does that. Yes. 48ers, 49ers. Wait, 48 already happened. 49ers listening. Make it happen. 50ers listening.

Jack's friend, Michael. Maybe there's a world where you like fake give away the necklace beforehand and be like, I'm going to give it to Maddie. And then maybe people aren't like, uh, Maddie's off the table and then Maddie can give it back to me.

And then, Oh, maybe Maddie's name wasn't circulating as much because of that, but that would be, I don't know. That'd be pretty, pretty dicey, but I want to see the order of operations.

Like obviously the meaning of necklaces old, but like with the new stuff, like I want to know, order of operations. Like obviously the immunity necklace is old, but like with the new stuff, like I want to know, cause when I played, you could play your shot in the dark, see people play their shot in the dark and then play your idol. So I want to know like in their rule books, I'm sure they have a real rule book to keep it all fair.

I want to know like what else is like that, where it's like order of operations like you can like and obviously if they're letting people play their idol after the shots in the dark then that's like an admission of like the shot in the dark is not as powerful right because otherwise if it was like an idol you'd have to play it all at the same time

or maybe they messed up I don't know well I think it's shot in the dark then you can that's like why Rachel partly used right and then if it you know she could gauge the reactions whatever um you want to know random but has to do with the shot in the dark you want to know another funny moment where jeff was like trying to get his point across but i don't think it didn't hit the way he wanted it to hit you know everyone with their shot in the dark with the rice thing like you know Jeff was like oh that's gonna be a

big one and when he did it he was like it's gonna come back to bite y'all but it hasn't really so Jeff was like oh so I mean Andy did it change anything because nobody had their shot in the dark

like it didn't hit jeff but all right let's um let's talk about these this journey challenge and then after we can get in the initial i thought this journey challenge was a lot of fun like i the puzzle itself is a little hard to follow because you're just moving moving around balls um oh but b. Bryce, I think you would have won that challenge. But I love, like, the anchor weight. I love, like, the anchor weight timer. It was so creative. It was something you've never seen before.

The puzzle getting pulled off the float was just, like, so fun. So much better than, like, an hourglass. So props to whoever designed this one. Are we over the journeys? Do we think it's too many journeys and too many rewards? Because I was thinking about you, Jack, so it's funny that anytime I think

that we're going to be on the same page, I thought that, no, the puzzle, all of this was fun, but I thought that you would be like, it's too many like too many advantages are we happy with another journey right now i think we're okay but it's you know it depends on the circumstances there hasn't been a journey in a couple episodes right and the last one was more for them to just get their votes back so i don't know there hasn't been that many journeys this season where there's like i guess it was early in the season but now this is just kind of a random one um i don't know

i wasn't mad at it and it was kind of a slow episode so a little something in there to keep keep things moving um i agree jack i hate a journey get rid of them i hate them but this one i actually didn't mind i thought it was fun because they changed it up like it's it's the little things having her in the water instead of going up a mountain like we're always going up a mountain these days yeah 41 or whatever where there was a journey like every episode i'm good on that but now and again it keeps it keeps a little more fresh too a little more surprising so i like this challenge and then i mean wendell what do you think of this challenge

this i thought it was a cool journey uh they talk about it a little on the on fire pod how they you know and an hourglass is basic but someone was like why don't we throw a rock with a rope off of a barge and it'll pull the table? And then they're trying to figure out how to make it work. They're like, all right, if we did that, it'll have to be way in the middle of the ocean. So now we have this mechanism that has a few of them that go down. And I thought it was super cool. I thought the engineering aspect of it was dope. And they pulled it off. And how Rachel just got it just before it fell. I think it was awesome. I thought the engineering aspect of it was dope and they pulled it off and how Rachel just

got it just before it fell. I think it was awesome. When she started... Oh, go ahead, Jack. I was going to say, it's the kind of effort and innovation that I love to see from the challenge or the whatever department where it's just good to see them. I'm sure

that took a lot of effort, but it's definitely appreciated compared to the usual, let's send that took a lot of effort, but it's definitely appreciated, you know, compared to the usual, let's send them on a hike and they could like pick a scroll. Agreeing. Yeah. The innovation doesn't go unnoticed and it made for good TV. And also when she started, I said out loud, I don't know if she's going to finish this. I mean, I don't know. I said to my family, I was like, they test they test this so it's possible but this feels not possible how fast the rope was going oh that was cool even though the rope wasn't near her leg i was getting nervous because i was thinking like if i were up there for some reason i just feel like the rope would get me and while i'm doing the puzzle i'll be like that's what i was

thinking about you guys i'm sitting in my dad's chair he's like literally 40 years old it is leaning but it's so comfy I'm gonna change this it looks comfortable I'm like bye I

somebody I love this season but I was like a little like not disappointed and the only way but I was like a little, like not disappointed. And the only way that I could like think of it is in a song. Tell me if you know this song, Maddie, but don't say it out loud, but really this is for you, Jack. My melody going to be a little off though, but

I was young and in love. I gave you everything everything but it wasn't good enough and now you want to communicate you better go find somebody else I'm letting you know the problem get out wait it's just a little too late get out right now it's the end of you and me. Too late. Hold on. Okay. But it's enough to know because Maddie know it. Jack, artist, title. Didn't sound like you were singing a song.

Give me another little snippet. Bryce, I'll back you up. Thank you. Bryce has to read the lyrics yeah I do cause I think cause I think it's just a little too late too wrong and I can't

wait right now I'm making it worse cause I think I'm mixing two songs up Right now. I'm making it worse. Because I think I'm mixing two songs up. If half of the song is you humming it, it's going to be hard for Jack to know the title. To be fair, Bryce,

I love you. Okay, okay. So how are you going to guess? Listen, no. He's going to get it. I was young and in love. I gave you everything, but it wasn't good enough. And now you want to communicate. Go find somebody else.

I'm letting go and I'm loving myself. Okay. Yes. I'm loving myself. Okay. Yes. I'm going to say it's by Aaliyah. Okay.

I can see that in her arsenal. Aaliyah. Title? I'm going to say Too Late. Okay. Is that right? Too Late. Too Little Too Late. Okay. Is that right? Too Late. Too Little Too Late.

The iconic, the classic JoJo. But mind you, I think I was mixing up her two songs, but I think all of that had to say. JoJo. Is it really called Too Late? I thought it was called Get Out. So no, it's Too Little Too Late, but I also think it's like

Get Out, but I also think it's like get out but i also think um i was singing get out i think little too late is like a different song oh that's the issue but too little too late my man kyle give me the song okay you said you said i gotta go harder, Jack. Kyle. Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. I love Kyle. Lord knows I do.

However, I just felt like this was the only episode that I saw Kyle talk like, I don't know, I felt like he was close with Gabe. But who else? Where were your connections? And to hear Andy say like, oh,

we know what Kyle will talk about in the tent. Obviously he's a family man. He loves his family, loves his kid. Like we love Kyle, but like, I wish I would have seen like a Kyle and Caroline, a Kyle and Teenie.

Like, I don't know. I just felt like at this episode, we saw him kind of trying to make end roles or trying to say like, I can't win all the i don't know i just wanted more from kyle because i feel like kyle was great and i felt like the little big alliance or the underdogs they made the wrong decision right like like i would sit next to kyle i'll take my chances with kyle you got to get the shark, the beast, Genevieve out.

Like, I just felt like if Kyle is such the easy vote, we all can agree on this. He ain't going nowhere, right? Like, let him stay. I thought it was an interesting choice, too. I was actually really surprised that they went through with it. I want to know what Genevieve did to to stay well because they made it look like it was up in the air but the votes show that it was like it was all kyle

if you ask me you take kyle out and and it's because i i first of all i'm mad at the andy math talk about he has a 6.25 chance of winning um these next challenges you take him out because this man has won four out of how many challenges? How many? Five. Four out of five challenges. That's all I need to know. Going forward, this is the guy that has been killing us

all post-merge. He has a higher likelihood, based on what has happened, of winning more challenges. Let me get him out of the way because he can win next week and make this vote. All right. Then we have, then we, this is one time that we have to strike on him. Let's get him out of the way because now other people have opportunities to

win. And yes, now we can get Genevieve out at any other point. That's all I'm saying. Let me ask you this question. Final two, Wendell. You have, you are at the end. Final two. You want to sit next to Kyle or you want to sit next to Genevieve? I would like to get out. I just need a name.

Sometimes you only have one shot. Betty, I believe that was the question. I'm only asking for a name. What's the question, Wendell? I just need one word response Your Honor order the

witness to answer the question Order the court We don't get final twos Your Honor Jack, permission to treat the witness hostile. I guarantee you Genevieve goes home within the next

two votes. I guarantee it. Timing is everything. Get your client in check. Maddie. I'm going to let Wendell go because people have been saying they need more from him and I'm going to give him more than one word. See?

And final question, Wendell, just one word. If you're at the end, if you ever could get to the end again, which we know we can't, Winners at War has proven that, but if you could get to the end again and you could only sit next to one person, I just need an answer. Genevieve or no?

Just say a letter. G or K. That's all I'm looking for. Three people sit at the end. Okay. No, Jack, get him to answer it, Jack. Well, okay, but he's saying, like, maybe you would rather sit next to Kyle. I would

rather sit next to Kyle. Thank you. But Genevieve, there might be more opportunities to take her out. So he's not saying he wants to go to the end with her, but it might be easier to get her she next guy. Thank you. But Genevieve, there might be more opportunities to take her out. So he's not saying he wants to go to the end with her, but it might be easier to get her out next time. But I agree with you, Bryce and Maddie. I think that, A, Kyle isn't a huge threat at the end necessarily. And, B, I'm kind of on board with this Andy math to some extent

because, right, I just think – and I said four out of – he's won four out of six one of them he didn't one of them he didn't really win like right he was still he went out before teeny and genevieve so call it three out of six that's where andy gets the 50 and then 50 for four more challenges is about six percent christian hubicki had a great tweet about all this if anyone wants to look at math but the thing is but, it's a little bit of a simplified math, right, because there's more at play here. I think, obviously, the numbers get whittled down.

If Kyle's against fewer people, easier to win. But at the same time, a lot of those challenges that happen later on, there might be some more puzzles going on. And like I said last week, you put me in a puzzle against Kyle. No disrespect to Kyle, but not even me specifically. But if I'm out there. Jack ain't even been on an island and he is threatening someone who has won four challenges. No puzzle.

If I'm out there, if I'm a Rachel, or I'm a Sam, or I'm a Genevieve, or whoever, or Andy, you put me in a puzzle against Kyle, I'm going to like my odds more than you put me on, like, a plank bouncing stuff. Like, so... The other thing...

Wait, Jack. Yeah, no, because you don't want to answer a question? I'm going to cut you off. Jack, question. Last week, you said you're not really on Twitter. You don't want to answer a question i'm gonna cut you off jack question last week you said you're not really on twitter you don't use twitter much no okay so but wait so you like after the episodes you do like peruse survivor twitter to see what the people say i didn't see that on twitter i saw that on i think survivor t made a tiktok about that tweet, and I watched it. But I don't.

Yeah. The other thing that we considered was, okay, if we're not, like you said, Bryce, you'd rather sit next to a Kyle than a Genevieve at the end. I get it. I agree. If we considered, all right, even if Kyle can win everything out, if we're not scared of this man at the end go right ahead win as many as you want but other people might have to play an even different more more you know whatever game

to sit at the end so like just because basically like like Kyle pitched the mere fact that you're winning challenges doesn't mean that you're going to win at the end of the game yeah but getting rid of this guy like like, I think they have these three people that they want to get rid of. They have an alliance of five. So, all right, we have a shot to get rid of one. Cool. Now we have an alliance of five versus two. All right, we will have a shot

to get rid of the next two and the next two. And it might be easier to win immunity now. I agree with that. And I think the thing is, I think this move goes over because most of the people outside of kyle i think feel better about their chances at seven than like if kyle's still in right they all think they have some options they might not all have those options but and i think for sam and genevieve they'd probably rather lose kyle than to lose

the other person because sam and genevieve could actually be a strong duo moving forward that can make some things happen. But if I'm on the bottom stuck with Kyle, again, Kyle's not going to be the one who's going to be moving and shaking and wheeling and dealing and getting you off the bottom. You see that's not Kyle's game. And not to mention, if I say I'm Sam or Genevieve and i vote out if i'm sam i vote out genevieve and i'm on the bottom with kyle there's a good chance kyle wins the next immunity challenge and then it accelerates your um potential exit so again i think andy and rachel had the

right idea here because genevieve is someone who is going to be able to rock the boat more than kyle but at the same time i think know, when you have the shot at Kyle, it clears things up. And then maybe I think Caroline, Sue, and Teenie are like, yeah, maybe Genevieve is a mover and a shaker, but she might be a little bit more with us than with you. So if we need that option at, you know, seven or six or five, Genevieve is going to align with them more than maybe Kyle is.

I do want to talk about that real quick, though. I also think that maybe they didn't really show a lot of it. But I think maybe the reason why Genevieve wasn't as why she didn't get voted out, I think, was because of Sue, because Sue and Genevieve have this relationship that we know about that we haven't really seen. We've seen it earlier on. But Caroline says something in the episode where she was like, I don't want to go against Sue again. And I'm like, well, girl, go against her. And so it made me think that, like, I think Genevieve got Sue on lock as well. And that's another in role or potentially a number. Sue also just really doesn't like Kyle.

I need to know the tea. I need to know the tea. I need to know the tea. She hates him. Was it from when someone said Gabe's name is in Kyle's mouth? Yes. Well, Eric Kyle voted for her. He voted for her.

He voted for her. Kyle calls him like Tweedledee and Tweedledum. I think lovingly, but I mean, Sue hates him because he's poor. But here's my thing with Sue, though. What you going to do now, though? Kyle's gone. I like how they were talking about not even Kyle. And they were like, well, what do you want

to do, Sue? I just want Kyle to go. He got to go. And again, I like that move. What Rachel did with, I think it might have been Caroline and what Rachel did with Sue and Caroline. First of all, it's like, well, we're the majority.

Those three over there, we want them out. But I like how Rachel was like, whoever y'all want, whenever y'all want, in whatever order, I'm with you. Bish. Well, who else is it, Rachel? But, like, I like how she finessed that, though. And, you know, of course, Caroline was like, Kyle.

But it's like, well, clearly we want to target them. And that was the other thing that I was thinking about this majority five, right? Okay. Yeah, we get them three out, and then what's going to happen? What's the order of the five? And that's where I think. You have an order. There's a line to three plus the two blue, right?

That's why I think. Well, I think Rachel's kind of in a swing position, and she might end up being the biggest target, but then she'll have an idol too. So if she gets to five and can make fire she's good and that's why she's in such a good spot that's why i love how she's just going with the flow she's not she's you know in a good social spot but she's not pushing too much because i think she also probably realizes in that five you get to the end with sue teeny andy if rachel's just solid i think those

three have all had kind of sloppy games in some extent. So if Rachel's just a sound player and can explain herself as well, has a couple moves up her sleeve that nobody knows about, like the shot in the dark and the idle and things like that, then that's a win. So I think Rachel's like, I don't got to go too crazy, especially in this new era. Sometimes just like that steady motion is is just better than

rocking the boat a little motion in the ocean i like a i like a little steady jack you're right y'all gotta y'all gotta go all crazy but you know you gotta keep the pace i do think we're starting to see the game change like forever when i went to play we were all still like thinking about a 39 day game not until we were about to leave did i realize we weren't playing 39 days and the only seasons that we had seen were 41 and 42 which like just at that time felt like a random one or two off now i mean i think the game is different forever these people are playing like they know the pace that they need to play at people are experimenting with different like times to go hard and like lay low like you're saying with rachel and i think like it is forever

changed and i'm curious to see what happens on 50 if they go back to a longer game or if they go game. I am hoping for 50 of this 39 days. I feel like y'all can at least do that. How many days did you play, Bryce? I'm serious. No, no. That's not shade. It was probably like more than two weeks, right? Well, yeah.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Hold on. Wait, I'm having a little internet connection. Hold on. Girl.

Sorry about that. Because a wild survivor player once told me you got to get through the smoke to hear the news. Girl, I played 16 days so no I did I did play I played 11 days so at this

time I would have made the merge listen we don't need to do math look let's rewrite it now don't have Andy do math. Look, let's rewrite it now. Don't have Andy do the math. Question for everyone. We're not having really the original glue guy. We haven't talked

about Kyle. Is there... Sam? Sam. Listen, y'all know, but listen. Does it count, Maddie, if you say a name wrong but you know what i meant i'm with you thank you well okay podcast so they know okay i said kyle but i missed sam thank you the original glue guy clear as day thank you we haven't heard window go back to not talking okay is what is does sam have an enroll no why i'm sorry i love sam but the this i think this vibe they know their targets

they know what they want to do i want sam to keep working the different angles i want sam to look for idols i want sam to try to win immunity but they're gonna get sam and genevieve as soon as they can just like they got kyle as soon as they could that is my predictions i'm slightly more optimistic but i do think genevieve it's it's like like it's sort of a modern day survivor trend where once you get towards the end, everyone's aware enough of knowing like, who can I be and who can I not be? And so they all sort of seem to know that Genevieve and Sam are big targets. And Sam himself admittedly hasn't had a lot of agency since the merge, Sierra goes. But once people kind of put that label on you as a target, it sort of just perpetuates itself.

And so no one wants to go to the end with him because then he gets to the end. It's like, oh, he was a target and then he survived. But I do think Genevieve probably is a target before him. And then once you get to six, who knows what could happen? Maybe you win an immunity. Maybe you get an idol. Maybe people want to shake things up. But I do think Sam and Genevieve are in a really tough spot. Question, and I'm not trying to be funny.

I'm trying to like devil's advocate and make a case for Sam. They've labeled him a target. But why? Yes, I'm thinking the same way, Bryce. Like, other than, other than, other than, he's a target in my eyes. He's very handsome. He's not too tall.

He's charismatic. He's into the arts. You know, he looks the part. I say this and I'm asking you all this because I'm trying to make a case for him to make a case out there. Why is it that he's a target?

I feel like he's been swinging the whole season. I think it's sort of classic survivor thinking where he's, like you said, he's athletic, he's charismatic. And in the days of old survivor, that was the winner, right? And it's also been pretty apparent that he was kind of running Gata pre-merge. I think people talked about that even during the pre-merge. So you get this athletic, charismatic,

strategic guy coming in at the merge, everyone's immediately going to be like, that's a threat. And then once you have that label, I think it's hard to shake, even if you're not wheeling and dealing like he was before. And your right hand is the Maripan Ronda Rossa.

True. He has a lot of friends on the jury. I think right now he could get a Saul vote. He could get a Sierra vote. But I agree with you. If you look at it within the scope of this season of Survivor, he has not had that much footing after the marriage. His resume is not that strong

but sometimes it's just that persona, that personality that you see as a winner and this is kind of brought me to something I want to say because Maddie, you mentioned I think the game has changed. I think right now, I feel very strongly that if it's not Rachel that wins the season, it would be a Caroline

and that's three seasons in a row where kind of an underrated, low-key but so very social very strategic woman d kenzie rachel or caroline sweeps the game i can see that you know that's going to change the way the game is played of like what's viewed as a target we saw a little bit earlier this season with genevieve being like rachel is the low-key threat like the big threats, no longer actually the threat. So I could see future seasons being like, oh, you're a you're a quiet but smart girl. Like you're going to win. So you got to go early. And it's in that thinking. Right. And this has been a trend.

And everyone that is out there is an actual player and understands the game. And with that reason and thinking, and you know who always says that jack james jones it's that perceived threat it's like why don't they see that right it's like like then it then in reality it's like y'all really shouldn't be targeting a sam like but i guess also it comes into your relationships who you're tied to and i guess to when you got to get to the end. And so it's, I think Jack did a good point earlier where it's like, and I hadn't thought about this of like, I, I think there's two things happening.

I think normally in survivor people cannibalize on people like them. So on my season, like Danny and Brandon were close, but then Danny got Brandon out. And it's like, I think when you see someone like you, like sometimes people's impulses to play with them. And then sometimes it's like, think when you see someone like you like sometimes people's impulses to play with them and then sometimes it's like I gotta get them gone which I'm wondering if some of that is happening with um Genevieve and Rachel like they seem like they're like the most forward like women in the game and I wonder if they're like seeing themselves in each other and so they're like I know I'm a threat so that means you're a threat but jack you made a really good point that like there is still game left and people like kyle

which i didn't think they should have voted out kyle if i were there i would have been gunning for genevieve but you made a good point that like maybe someone like kyle is thinking so differently about the game that you can't get three more days with someone who is just going to vote in a completely different way than you and is not going to. And so I think it's interesting because I think a lot of these people, what I like about the season is I think there's a lot of people playing in a similar but different way going towards the end. And I think Caroline is going to win, but I think it could be Genevieve.

It could be Caroline. It could be Dandy. I mean, they all are playing a similar but different game that's what makes this interesting because it's not a clear winner but maybe that's why we saw Kyle go Maddie go for a similar reason she's playing with such loyalty it's like I don't know how much further you can bring someone like that but it's that makes the game even more interesting because you need people who are your competition or like you to not sit with you at the end but you also may need them they all sort of have a similar end game strategy and kyle doesn't fit into that narrative and so they're all sort of like here's the people i want to get to five with

they all kind of agree on that and then they can get there and then just play it out. And it's about who's going to be able to like execute it. Yeah. But a Kyle keeping a Kyle in could be so beneficial for a Caroline's game. Right? Like there, there are these swing people that I, they are going, but it's like Carolina Sue, y'all could change the mother gang. Like you could really like flip it and just the viewer in me I kind of want something like that to happen right because at this point it's kind of feeling like we know who the final five is going to be and

like and it's like surprise me shake it up I got a question Bryce if Caroline Sue and Kyle sit at the end who you got who does this jury have Caroline Sue and who Kyle Kyle sit at the end, who you got? Who does this jury have? Caroline's doing who?

Kyle. Well, you know, roses are red, violets are blue. You want to ask me a question now? I ain't got you. I got Caroline. I think, like, here's the thing, right? Who does this jury who saw Kyle win all MMA communities have?

So I could see them having a Kyle, but I also think that you are then also underestimating Caroline's social ability. We might not see it, but I am pretty sure Caroline has a relationship with every one of those people on that jury. Okay. So me, I'm going with Queen Caroline. I love that you're saying Caroline, because I feel like there hasn't been enough enough love for her right yeah absolutely like i i i see it and there's something in her i love and also just another comment that i want to make um

genevieve i know she's down and out right now uh because's a lot going on. However, I love the fact that Genevieve is playing what we would quote, we're talking classic survivor games. She's playing like a quote what a man would be playing, right? There's so many men that have played like this before and I effing loved it. I just love the fact that

due to the diversity initiative, due to a lot of different things, we have a woman like Genevieve playing the hell out of this game now girl you might it might have backed you up into a corner but i just love it and sometimes i don't think that and also what i love the most about it sorry going on this tangent right sometimes when we do see these strong women like a genevieve we'll these attributes like, oh, she nasty. Oh, it's this. Oh, she did. I love the fact that she is playing the strong ass game and we're not getting any of that.

Like we like they respect what she's doing. We haven't always seen that in Survivor. And I have to love the hell out of it. Sorry. How are the fans receiving that? Her game. There's a lot of Caroline fans. Like, they love her.

But I also think from what I have seen, I haven't done the. Genevieve. I love Genevieve. You said Caroline. Oh. Who? Beat or win, Joyce? You did.

Oh, wait. I was just wondering how the fans were receiving her. That's good. That's good to hear. Yeah, I love the game she's playing. I had just wondering how the fans were receiving her. That's good to hear. Yeah, I love the game she's playing. I had a question for Maddie. You said you see Caroline winning. Does that mean you see – does that mean you don't see Rachel getting to the end?

I think she was answering your question of the three. I don't see Rachel getting to the end. And I don't – yeah. I don't know. I'm getting vibes that she goes out on fire. I'm getting I I'm getting a vibe. I don't know. Go ahead. you're building up this arsenal you got these tools you're gonna use them unless they blindside you but they have no reason to blindside you yet they got all these threats ahead of you but as soon as you start using them they gonna get you yeah i just the thing that i would say is different about that right they are building her up but i said this earlier it doesn't seem like her confidence with it is building up with it right like you go out on survivor when you

least expect it or when you're feeling so confident. What I like about Rachel, she like me, like you're actually in the best position in your life, but you thinking like I'm having the worst day of hell and I'm always stressed. And so like, that's what I love about Rachel is that like, it's not like her confidence is building. She like, well, damn it.

Like, why is this happening? I gotta do this. I gotta work with this. That's what is so relatable about her. So although the edit is, I don't see her confidence rising. And that kind of like gives me faith that I think she could do it.

And that's actually good gameplay. Like, yo, stay low, keep your head down and grind. No matter what you got in your pocket, don't get in those confessionals talking about, oh, look what I got. Oh, nah, like lock in in don't take it for granted and we'll see like she has the tools to get there but we'll see so something i ask everyone who's ever won is like did you know you're gonna win

and most of the time people say yes so I want to know who from 47 right now thinks that they're going to win. Because just like you said, Bryce, it doesn't seem like Rachel. Rachel is like taking it a day at a time, it feels like, and has like keeping herself in check. Then we got like Sam who's like on the outs, I would think might be someone who's more like calling his shots. I'm like, who of this group is calling that they're winning? Andy.

100%. He's saying it in front of, like, yeah. I'm running it. I'm smiling in their face. Andy is calling the shot. You think that's an accurate, like, perception? For Andy, yes. Accurate perception? For Andy, yes. It's funny you ask that, Maddie, because I'm sure there's a point where,

I'm sure most winners kind of know they're on the track to win, but I'm sure there's a lot of players who get to the endgame thinking that they're on the track to win too, and then it doesn't work out for them. But if they had won, then they would have been like, oh, I knew I was going to win too. It's hard to know because the most, I think, impactful thing that I hear people say that comes from Survivor is like, you don't know which way is up and which way is down because you're the narrator of your own story. So as far as you know, you're the, you're the hero. Yeah.

And we see this with some people's edits this season. I mean, like they like they they it was their show and then you get I love Rome I love Rome and I think I like my sisters asked what's Rome like I was like I love Rome he's such a sweetie but it's like we only see one part of people which is like when they're being gassed up by production and they think like they're running the show and you I mean Kenzie was running the show on think like they're running the show and you I mean. Kenzie was running the show on her season, he was running the show on her season, Jam was running the show on our season, and it's like they called it and they were right. But everyone's calling it and some people just aren't right.

And so it's just it's a mind fuck. You get you get some people that the producers are able to really gas you up and you say whatever you're in there. I'm I'm in the most comfortable you get the rome stuff right but then you get but then some people are like now i'm locked in like and how like we're seeing it from rachel i think andy we're getting i think we're getting a lot of that with andy like hey tell us tell us about your smile tell us about how you went and made these moves and And I think Andy has went from such a low in the game to really like he's moving around. He's maneuvering and he's really feeling himself. And there are bigger threats ahead of him.

He's narrating his own story. But what will the jury think? That's all I want to know. What will the jury think? That's all I'm wondering. Wendell, Wendy did, I mean, Wendy, Maddie asked a really good question. On Ghost Island at Final Seven,

were you projecting yourself to win? Did you see it? Final Seven. I think, I don't remember which episode that was, but. What was the point when you started to like. When my dad came out there, he was like, Wendell, I walked out there. I saw you standing amongst all these people. And it looked like you in elementary school when I'd see you standing with your friends about to compete at something. He was like, he said I had something right then and there.

And then when I said I was going to go to Ghost Island and I wasn't going to go on the reward with him, he was like, he was like, well, he said something like, we'll celebrate your win and blah, blah, blah. And I think around then I was like, I see a path to the end. I have my allies. I have Dom. I have Laurel. We even have Donathan. I I'm cool with I'm cool with Kellen I'm cool with Sebastian I'm cool with Chelsea like Angela we we had we had a path and I had my idol and Dom had his and we're like you know we're protected so I think somewhere close to seven I was I really I saw it but when you have someone as strong as Dom and when you have someone as willing to do whatever as donathan and when you have someone as brilliant as laurel who like could she controlled like she

had she held us down but she's the smartest person on the island she could have cut our throats you know she was very loyal so she didn't but you know so you never really know and then going into final tribal i didn't win i had to win fire to get there so like you don really know. And then going into Final Tribal, I didn't win. I had to win fire to get there. You don't know until right. I squeaked in there. And now I'm against Dom, who played a strong game and won immunity in the final immunity. So you don't know.

You just got to give it your all out there. And I squeaked by as close as they get. So having been that person, who is the Wendell in 47? Who is sitting with all of these different avenues right now? One person. I think the closest person is Rachel. I think the closest person is Rachel. Y'all heard it.

I'm a winner. I told you where I think she's going to go. She's so humble. She's doing it. But she's going to use these tools, and they're going to see her. It's going to illuminate her. And then she's going to have to win Final Four or win that fire. One of the two.

She could do it. On Season 40, when you made the merge what was like your angle where were you sitting how was you feeling i sat i sat my behind on the jury here's another question though uh random all right then we can wrap this up because then we're gonna log but wait on winners at war i don't think i've ever asked you this uh when y'all merge do you ever wish you didn't or from our perception do you ever wish you didn't like dap up jeremy i gave him one hug i gave jeremy okay i was happy to see my idol okay i might have like gave a little one hug right would? Would you? But serious question.

Like, would you, in hindsight, would you just be like, what's up? Put me back on the island with Jeremy. I'm not even going to look in his direction. Matter of fact, when I see him in Boston in next week, I'm not even going to hug him. Not friends. It's funny how you're like, I just gave him one thing. No, Wendell, we saw the edits. They're like we did you see our window and Jeremy like yeah windows like I've been watching you for a really long time it's such an honor to meet you oh my god you even smell good and then you have Kim

Spradlin you got Sophie Clark you you have Tony and Sarah Lucina. But I was the target. Got it. Jeremy has that effect on people because Bruce loves Jeremy. He would give him his children. He loves Jeremy. Bryce, I got one more thing I want to throw out

before we wrap up. I don't want to say it's a little bit nerdy, but maybe some free games to any Posse listeners that might end up on the show. I know I'm not necessarily the guy. It's more some challenge. So we didn't talk about the immunity challenge. This is a classic. And there's something I've noticed that nobody does that would really help in this challenge.

So I want to just throw it out there basically i wrote i drew a little diagram but um so you know everyone everyone you have the table and everyone stacks the blocks you have the table everyone stacks the blocks like flush with the table right you come you put the square block and it's facing you straight what you should do so it's like this it's like so this is the table this is the block and what the way that things you know fall over physics wise is when the center of gravity of your thing goes past like extends past it topples over so you want to have the most width of your center of gravity as possible so what they should do you should angle the block 45 degrees so it's like a

diamond because then you have the instead of like this going this way it's going this way which is like and this is the square i drew so when you angle at 45 degrees you have like the hypotenuse which is of the square versus like the straight on and the hypotenuse is always longer so if you angle at 45 degrees you allow yourself more wiggle room with the tilting so you're gonna your your towers gonna be more. So if anyone else is ever out there, just angle those blocks 45 degrees. Unless I'm out there too, don't do it. It's not going to work. No one ever does that in these challenges

and it's like physics wise it's just a better way to do it. You said the hypotenuse is longer? It is. It is. I'm trying to see what's up with some hypotenuse okay okay

come on Professor Atkins I see this challenge so much I'm always like just rotate the block it's going to be easier it's obviously really easy to just do that once you know so to the posse listeners if anyone ever ends up out there and wins this challenge because of this just do that once you know so uh to the posse listeners if any if anyone ever ends up out

there and wins this challenge because of this just know i got you so you heard it here first okay professor atkins we appreciate you well this has been such a fun holiday treat to have our girl maddie up with us sitting in the woods and her dad's leather chair where he be working hard at. Okay. The best of the best. We got a little Dr. Atkins in the building. And I mean,

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