RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Bromances, Red Flags & First Boots

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Wendell, Jack, and Brice are back with the first Survivor News of Season 49! In this week’s premiere coverage, we dive into the new tribes, share our takes on the first impressions, and unpack the connections starting to form out on the island. We also touch on what fans are already saying about this season and how it stacks up against previous Survivor premieres. With Episode 1 setting the stage, Survivor News is back to break it all down and keep you in the know.

It's the purple pants, it's a purple pants, it's a purple pants podcast, you better get your headphones and listen up quick, it's a purple pants podcast, you better listen in public might make your stomach hurt, ooh, it's a purple pants podcast. She's trying to unwind, you better get that box wine. It's a purple pants podcast. You're trying to get your snack. You better hurry right back, though. It's the purple pants, it's the purple pants. What's up and welcome back to the Purple Pants podcast. Survivor News season 49. I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Bryce Isaiah, and I thank you so much for tuning in to this week's Survivor News. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast. We are available on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you can find podcasts. The Purple Pants Podcasts awaits for you to subscribe. And as always, with your Survivor News, you can watch this audio podcast on video. Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel, click subscribe, give this video a thumbs up.

Let us know in the comments what you think about this week's episode. We are fresh off of kicking into the Bryce and When, 49, the blueprint from New York in L.A. with the premiere of Survivor 49, Wendell, Jack, and myself talk about what it was like at the Bryce and Wind watch parties on the West Coast and East Coast,

and we dive into the episode of Survivor 49. We talk about some memorable moments, some interesting characters, some maybe complaints of fans about the last recent seasons, and we get into what we call Survivor News. So we thank you so much for tuning in, and let's get in,

to this week's Survivor News. I love it. And we are back. The baby boys are back. We're not just back. We're, uh, oh,

oh, girl, you look good. Won't you back that thing up? You a big, fine woman, won't you back that thing up? Call me Big Zaddy when you back that thing up.

Girl, who is you playing with? Back that thing up. The baby boys are back. Backing that thing up for Survivor News, season 49, episode one. I am

I'm exhilarated to be here with my brothers that I love to hate, heavy on the hate, even heavier on the love. Let's welcome back to the podcast, the man hailing from the suburbs of Philadelphia. He may currently have the same outfit on that he had on Tuesday, Wednesday, and now Thursday, the winner of Ghost Island, Wendy Z. Holland was popping. what a great intro thank you so much bryce thank you thank you it's good to be here it's good to be back good to see you and if survivor news is complete we have the man coming in from c t by way of chicago in reverse of l.A who is 6-7 don't currently have a haircut long hair, don't care. You might know him from the Netflix show,

The Circle. Emily, the floor is lava. Jackery Atkins was- Survivor. Wait, there was another part to the intro. He's also an alternate for... He's also an alternate per Savannah, per Sophie B,

a 48, okay? The man, the myth. Jackeriacus was popping with you? What's up? Thanks for rattling off my long list of credentials. A lot of people last night

were like, why is your face so big on the post? I was like, I don't know. I don't know. You're our guy. What you mean? You're the head liar. I was like, I don't know why my face is bigger

than tips, but we'll take it. And a lot of people would ask me about the alternate thing. What were you saying? I was like, yeah, you might the CVC my question actually because we never unpacked this

the inside jokes are as a survivor ghost island alternate and then it became a survivor edge of extinction thing when Ron Clark accidentally tagged me now did you have tricky were you going to have tricky

put 38 on the poster or was the 48 was that a different thing that I missed out on? I mean I think that might have been tricky tricky in but I don't even know what C's house You were out there for

you were out there in Casson for 48 because one of the 48 saw you out there in California Yes and we one of the 48ers that currently 49ers text me and was like I know I saw Jack I saw him as the thing

and I screenshot it to you Jack and I left it at that and a couple of days later I text said person back it was like no Jack wasn't out there And said, person was like, oh, Jack already messaged me. He cleared it up. I said, okay, Jack, one thing Jack won't do, he going to clear his name.

Okay. Yeah, well, the funny thing, if this was real, if I was actually, I want to blow, my chances will be blown for actually getting on there, but they don't want me any whiz. So. I like how you're acting like you're not in the system. Right. Because there was a point of time when DZ, if we think about that time for. when Jack's Wi-Fi was acting up.

He was unavailable. Yeah, all right, Jack. If you go on spring break. Jack, but listen, Survivor News is back. Also, just, you know, spoiler alert. The baby boy is wet in his whistle. I am fresh from New York City. shout out to Brendan Shapiro,

one of the only three people that I will recognize from Ghost Island, Dominic, Stephanie, and Brendan Shapiro. Brendan Shapiro's son, Will Shapiro, came to our New York party. He brought me a little rum. I don't normally drink the rum, but I am wetting the whistle.

Is that just rum on the rocks? So, no, it's actually, because you know I don't go grocery shopping, and I don't really know what goes well with rum so it's actually like Coke. Now don't judge me. It's not coke. Is it like iced tea? It's orange juice.

It's a lemonade that I had left. It's a little diet, Dr. Pepper. Is it white rum or dark rum? It's a brown rum. So I think that that gives it like the color. But it don't take... You throw in five

other things in there. It's going to look a little darker. It don't taste disgusting. But if if you see me throw up like Nicole that you know it wasn't good. But listen, okay, we got a lot to unpack before we get to the episode. If you are new here, welcome to Survivor News, where it is myself,

Bryce Isaiah, Wendy Z. Holland, and Jacary Atkins. We likes to shoot the shit. We have a good time. We talk about Survivor. And we have fun with it. So if you are looking for a this is what happened the the the articulates of the modulate and my hypothesis

of this is you can you can click out now we do a little bit out of that we do a really good breakdowns Bryce don't do that sorry but we also like to have a good time sorry I do have my own language but I really am excited to be here with my

brothers I currently hate Jackery right now but I'll get into that as the episode progresses. But we are fresh off of the kickoff to Bryce and Wynn tour 49, the blueprint, which in, I like to say, Survivor History, we had two. By coastal. Cut you off, Jack. And I like to say the first time maybe in Survivor history, because you know, that's what Jeffrey like to say.

There were two Survivor Premier parties, one on the East Coast, one on the West Coast that happened last night. That happened to be absolutely epic. Window and I were holding it down in New York City with some amazing, amazing, amazing people. We had Kyle. We had Michelle Fitzgerald. We had Izzy that is currently on Amazing Race. We had Cedric, Teeny, Stephanie, Jack and Carson. so many amazing people,

Teeny, the Squid Games, Brandon Donnellin, Kelly. The list goes on and on. The list goes on. If I forgot you, it was through love. You might have seen a 49er in the building.

Okay, we definitely had a 49er in the building, and I like to say my nails were better, but, you know, that's somebody to debate. But Jack was over there in L.A., with Ozzy, with Jack, with Joe. Joseph, Tiffany, with Sugar, with Lauren

with so many amazing people. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was a great time. Obviously, we missed the present. You guys, the two of you especially know how to get the community together, get everybody, making sure everyone's having a great time. Like, I feel like you guys just really bring the energy to another level. That's why these events were so great to begin with. But luckily, kind of through your hand we were still able to get things together

the energy still felt like a classic Bryson Wend and Ozzie did a great job hosting and we just had a great time so hopefully you know there's more to come obviously we wish you were in the building but two parties at once I mean no complaints no we love it and

the blueprint Bryson Wend 49 is just the car is the car ain't even Jack, we was on a highway from New York driving back the day. I know you were driving. Right? He didn't sit one time behind the wheel, so he shouldn't be able to say anything about the car.

I'm playing. I play. Bryce is a great driver. Thank you, Jack. You've experienced. How would I know? But you're right, Jack. I am a princess.

I am a passenger princess when it comes to two of my best friends. Shout out to Joey Hatch and Wendy's Holland. We're driving back on the highway jack. We're talking. And the car like, beep, beep, beep. I'm like, mind you, I'm not going to say nothing. I just, I'm just like, do we have a flat? Normally, you know your air tire pressure should be like 41, 42, 43.

Our air tire pressure was at 28, okay? And mind you, I'm not. I'm like, oh, we about to pull over. Like, oh, oh, we're about to do something. When Deasy said, bro, okay, we got home and one piece, but the, Bryce and Wend, Tour 49, the blueprint is just getting started, baby. I feel like Los Angeles and New York were just a warm up for what is to come. We are headed to Boston, which is a sold out, packed amazing event.

Next week, October 1st, from Boston, we're headed to San Francisco, from San Francisco. We're going to San Diego from San Diego. There is Dallas. From Dallas, there is Denver and a couple of stops, even in between. And so if you want to be a part of the fun, and I like to say the community, because last night, walking through the crowd, talking to the people, the amount of people that were coming up to me saying, where's Jack? The amount of people that were saying, I work for Verizon.

I'd like to give Jack some Wi-Fi. The amount of, like, just the community that we have cultivated and been a part of is just truly fun. And I think that you should experience it for yourself. Tickets are still available for Bryce and When Tour 49. Click the link in the Bryce and When Present, Instagram or Twitter or social medias of Window and Eyes. And we'd love to see you as we continue as we do. start this tour up. But you want to get into some nitty gritty, Jack?

Or before we talk about Survivor? I mean, the first thing I got to add, you were teasing before we even started the podcast, you were like, Jack, I hate you. No, I do. But I love you, but I hate you. But I love, but I hate you. But before we even get there, Jack,

just want to, you know, call my brother Wendy'sy to the carpet. Because as we started this tour, Jack, When Deasy was been heavy in my text messages, heavy in our phone conversations, heavy in person about we need to set goals. We need to set goals. And I said, hey, Jack, one of the goals is I don't want to fight with you in Deasy. Like, I don't want to hurt you. I don't want to fight. My goal is, Jack, four or less fights this season than when Deasy piggybacks and says, oh, we can't put a number on it.

I like to fight less. we are having an amazing time, Jackery, in New York City. The night is starting to wind down. And I take the initiative to start pulling down some of our stuff so we could get ready. There was a back room that, like where we had bags. I'm getting the stuff down. I had my book bag on because I had the scissors and the stuff in there.

I go in the back room. Immediately I'm in the backroom, Jack. I feel like. I'm like, oh, my God. What's happening? I turn around this one Dizzy. Dizzy's like, why do you have your book back on? I'm like, oh, I didn't know.

Then Joey came in the room. Joey, like, y'all good. And when Dizzy just starts, accosting me and Joey for no reason. I'm like, oh, my God. What's happening? In the back room, my friends are coming in. Friends are coming in like, hey, I'm leaving. And when Dizzy puts on a good face,

But for no reason, Jack, he just was cussing us out. Then as we leaving a party, he's like, I wasn't yelling at you. Well, what were you doing? I had to raise my voice because the music was so loud. So anyway, that won't count as a fight. But again, we are... None of this happened, Jack. He just made everything up.

Oh, I did. I did. Let's not get to one right now, huh? Right. So we are zero for zero. What? What's going to happen is you guys are going to do good job and then it's going to be the end of the season. Bryce is going to be like, I still got three more fights.

I got to hit my quota. But again, just shout out to everyone that was there in L.A. and in New York. Also, ooh, whew. Woo! Last thing. And mind you, I was trying to save this for the episode. But hold on, gentlemen. Last thing, Jack. Oh, sorry. Hold on. Hold on. Oh, no. I know what this is already. Oh, God. I don't know if y'all can hear that. But, babe, this is coming for the episode. But let me just tell y'all some. Hold on. Let me. Because I had to clear. I had to get the grand. any britches out because Jackery from Gen X

millennial Ken Cole aka Ken McKentis because who knew that was his last name because why is your last name McKintas it's like McNichael right

but why your social media name Ken Cole if it's Ken Minutus okay I was shock. Somebody said, Windle, Ken McNichis is here. Windle was like, who?

Okay. Well, wait a minute. Let me just tell your son. I don't know if it's Ken Cole or Ken McNetis. Baby. Who?

What did he do to your Ken McBritches? Oh! Obliterated. Okay. Jack. Like, now, mind you, I've always been a fan of Ken McNetis. But, no. Oh, my God.

Seeing Mr. Magnitus in person? First of all, okay, wait, Wendell got the Jack Internet going on right now. Kenneth McNintas, first of all, Jack, he's like 6'3. I thought he was like I thought the man was five nine and he's

broad he's tall he has a deep voice and he don't say or do too much but oh oh

can call Magnetus baby I I didn't know Like, I mean, I knew, but I didn't know. And, like, he's never been to a Survivor event post his season. Never been to a Bryson win. Like, him just pulling up.

And I wasn't trying to, like, be all on them. But I. Mr. McClintess. Yes. Well, mind you, he's so chill. He's so calm. And in this social climate. be a man of his stature, his whatever,

he's on the right side. And I'm just saying, I was taking the back, Jack. I was like, oh, my God. Woo! But just shout out to Ken, because I had no idea. I don't think his last name was McNaginth. McKendez. Did you think he was that,

tall? No, I thought Ken was like 5'9. He's like he's tall. I was looking up to him like, yo. Brawl shoulders. Yeah, Ken is great. Ken is like, Ken's the truth. Who's slow?

Yeah. I just, but anyway, shout out to Ken. Okay. It was his birthday. Hey. We showed him a little birthday love in the building. He ain't really love it. He ain't really hated. Again, I just

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Yeah. Okay. It's not McGintess. Come tickle my Magnenthal. Okay. Okay. Okay. But, okay.

What did you do that he underworthy? First of all, Ken McNintes was in, the first ever Bryce Isaiah printed Zaddy calendar. And we even had a conversation about that, like how he was saying he didn't really know what a Zaddy was. And I was explaining to him what a Zaddy was. And I was like, you are ahead of your time. So again, just shout out to Ken.

But let's get into this episode. I do want to start off. Again, baby boys coming in a little hot. I am, the whistle is wet. I love it. I love it. I've been cracking up. As I was watching the episode,

episode window. We watched it at our party. And as I was watching the episode rewatching it, I began this anger in my stomach because normally and historically, I have a type of people that I like to root for. We know who Jack likes to root for. And we did our drafts. Jack and I completely polar opposite.

But I have to say that watching this episode, I began to get frustrated with Jack because I feel like maybe I've been friends with Jack so long, I've been potting with Jack so long that Jack has been rubbing off on me. And I feel like the people that I normally root for, I'm still rooting for and loving, but also I felt like the Jack art of some of these people

that maybe historically I wouldn't necessarily root for, I'm head over heels. I'm loving. Like, I mean, I don't want to glaze the Riz God, but like, I love the Riz God. I'm loving Jowad. I'm loving Nate. I'm loving Matt. I'm loving Savannah.

And again, I love all of the other players. Those are maybe more of the people that I mentioned. I maybe wouldn't normally gravitate to. But, like, I was like, I feel like I'm Jack Atkins. I was like, my perspective of watching this episode, and again, that's why I kind of hate you, Jack, because I feel like I, my survivor echelon is evolving. Like, I'm like, I'm like going back, listening to the draft,

I'm like, these are all people Jack is saying. And again, I'm loving MC, I'm loving Kristen, I'm loving Alex, I'm loving Shannon, I'm loving Annie. But the way that I'm watching, I'm like, are my eyes? Jack Atkins? Like, what's it happening? You hear my voice just in your head a little bit? Yes. I hear the Wi-Fi breaking up. I'm like, what's going on? But that's just why I'm currently mad at you, Jack, because I feel like, you know,

I love to get on this podcast. You know, when Deasy don't say much, I love to, like, you know, I actually like to have a conversation. You're the main person I talk to, and I normally like to be at odds with you. And I'm like, are me and Jack going to be a greeting? this season? But who knows if we're on the same page yet, Bryce? Okay. All right. Who knows?

That's it. I'll shut up. Maybe we Freaky Friday in my mind. Maybe I'm liking different people, Bryce. Who knows?

But overall, I thought the first episode was great. I absolutely have some complaints more in like, the challenges but I thought it was a great episode I thought we got to see a lot of different personalities

I thought like we got to see just people in different elements that we don't normally get to see on Survivor so I was very happy with the first episode after my rewatch your thoughts Wendy Z I think we have some

some characters that are going to be fun to watch Riz God is like very likable to watch and if you think about somebody just with the name Riz God before knowing who this is you'd be like man what's going on with this guy he's so likable man like he's such a likable person

so off of one episode it's like I kind of see why we're going to see him play again And then, yeah, multiple characters that seem like I'm just interested to see how things play out with them. What's my man name, the producer? Is that Nate? Nate?

Ray Dad, Rad Dad. Oh. You good over there, Bryce? Nate is McHiddle. I love that. Red dad Is he a Nate McGintess? Okay, I mean, I don't know if he's a Nate McGintes

But he's a rad dad Again, I loved Nate as well this episode Wasn't necessarily what I thought from What we saw of him Right And I loved his like His Ken McKentis slowness In the sense of like

He didn't He was And he's not aware He's like I'm a dad This is how they're seeing me He doesn't do the robot, Bryce I don't know what

No you're like I was a PR For Spider Man PA PAA PAA And then Jawah was like

Oh I We love Jouai Who Jack Who was A standout person for you that surprised you? That surprised me.

Let's see. I mean, I think the Red Tribe collectively, best tribe, that's why I had to throw on the Red. That's my favorite tribe. I was obviously, I'm biased, but I was stoked for Joanne. I mean, he had that opening confessional that I thought was a lot of fun, that cinematic first look at the season

with him kind of narrating. And I thought he had a pretty good episode. Some ups and downs, but overall good. I mean, character-wise, I thought Jake was a wild character. I mean, we got eight different things we can talk about with Jake. He's got a lot. I mean, he was stealing shoes. He's missing the birth of his first born.

He's an ex-stripper with a nipple piercing. But then he's also got this wholesome side where he's playing for his dad. He's got glaucoma. And this is going to be the last season, his dad ever watches so it's like I can only imagine the the turmoil that Jake was probably experiencing like balancing okay

you know this first the birth of your firstborn child but then also this opportunity to play for your dad and play for the money for your family it's like he's got a lot going on and he's stealing people's shoes so I don't know what I don't know what you expect from Jake but he's bringing um

like I'm still feeling Jake out but he's going out a big character Is that a left shoe, Bryce? Ready for the taking. Hide it. Hide it. Wherever you like, Jake, I'll go looking. Okay, I like Jake.

I like what he's bringing. Now, I do have a hot take, and I was like, and I don't mean this comparison, but I like, Jake got a body. Is he a McGintus? No, he's not a McGintz. Jake got like a Hulk Hogan body in the sense where like, you know, and again,

I'm not talking American beer, I'm not talking, I'm talking like 1993, like when everybody, like, loved Hulk Hogan. Not before we knew all of the, I'm not talking that Hulk Hogan. I'm talking like, uh, the Hulk Hogan that we grew up. You know how Kogan always had like muscles,

but also it's like... It's like a gut with some abs. Right, do you have a gut or do you have abs? Because, you know, I'm just trying to figure it out. Because, you know, Jake give me hope because I feel like I can maybe put my little... Like, Jake just got an interesting body. That's all.

But again, Jake's character was very interesting. I love Jake. I also like, again, his very touching story. I also felt like talking about his dad, very touching, but I also felt like, well, damn, don't get to the end. Like, you know, I, like, I put a lot out there. That's a confessional, Jake. But again, much respect and only makes you empathetic to what he's going through.

And sure, you want to show out, a person that I want to talk about that was like just a standout for me in the sense of, I didn't know what they were giving. and preseason, but Matt, the older guy, Matt. Can we talk about the older guy, Matt? I feel like in this new era, Matt ain't even that old. And I feel like when we were asking in the preseason, like what Matt did, like, you know, it was like bag vendor, right? We said, oh, is he a supervisor? Like, what are you doing?

Like, this first episode, he tells me, he said, I'll throw the bags on the plane. but what I felt very interesting about Matt was that I find that in this new era sometimes the older person and his and again I don't even like to say older person the person that is like Wendell's age on the tribe they normally have a hard time

assimilating and you know normally they're bossing people around they're telling people what to do what I found the most like oh my God was that Matt recognized that he was older he recognized he didn't really speak the language that these younger

children spoke but what I loved is that Matt just stood back they try to build fire and who was it was it Steven kind of saw him looking on yeah right but but who was trying to I don't know

okay but somebody was trying to make the fire it wasn't working and Matt and Matt was in the back like you can see him weighing like right

do I go come to the he didn't say nothing he didn't say nothing I think of like a Bruce we know if that was Bruce we know Bruce would have been all over it

like the fact that he had the composure to just sit there and then when it was Matt's turn to do it Matt said He just touched the flint

And there was fire I love The way Matt Navigated This episode Then he linked up with Stephen And he's working with Stephen And I love Stephen

The Rocket Science Like he's smart But I love how Stephen What are we going to do If we go out What are we supposed to do? Like who should we target Matt said

I don't really know but as long as it ain't you and me be good I was like oh my God like oh Matt shocked me I was shocked by how Matt

had his presence but like he let his presence and didn't let him speak for his presence I was like, oh, play the cut, sit back, watch, observe, take it all in, and then speak when you need to. And then speak when you need to. Matt absolutely shocks me. Also, Jason, alternate, but who you got, Jack? I was going to say also just Matt kind of in contrast to Jason and Stephen, who come across is a little bit more like neurotic.

and we saw Stephen kind of having some some paranoia almost whereas Matt was more just like a steady presence like you know so hopefully he doesn't get like swept up in the in the shuffle but yeah I think it's a good start for Matt that's why preseason I feel like we can sense those good vibes that calmness that I think will help him you know outlast that typical like older guy placement that that happens a lot so but we didn't see a lot for from this yellow tribe other than that. We did see Stephen running around a lot and making some connections kind of out of his own sort of self-expressed anxiety of like, are these people talking about me? Like, I don't want them talking about me, so I'm going to go talk to all them.

But it seemed like he had like a geeky charm that people were buying into. Even, I think it was Christina that said, or she was like, um, who was it? One of the ladies said, like, at first I wasn't really, by the way. And she was like, at first I wasn't really viable with you, but honestly, you kind of won me over.

You kind of funny, right? No, but that's what I loved about MC, though, because MC was like, I didn't know how to feel about you, but I thought you was funny. Yeah. And if that's me. Would y'all say something like that? But I always wondering that. Yeah, you would, yes, you would. But, and again, why I love MC because it's like, if I'm Stephen, I'm like,

well okay you think I'm funny well do you like me like but I'd have to read it like the way they said it because if they were like at first I didn't know about you but you're funny I'd be like oh that's bad but if they were like I didn't know about you at first but you're really funny I like you and I feel like MC was somewhere in the middle with that

but then we also saw Christina she she was like connecting with him on Christina hasn't really been in the outdoors before she was feeling that anxiety a little bit too and then that's where she and Stephen connected as well. So I feel like Stephen, from what we've seen from this yellow tribe, does have the most relationships

going, but I also feel like Stephen could be the type where he starts to maybe freak out a little bit. Not that I'm necessarily predicting that it's going to happen, but it'll be interesting to see, is Stephen going to play, he's got some cards in his hand now. It's like, is he going to play them right, or is he going to hit what he should stay, you know?

Another thing that I found interesting was that on each tribe, like you know how sometimes on the seasons when it's three tribes, because we don't get two tribes anymore. But when there's three tribes, we will sometimes see different variations

of different archetypes, right? And different forms or like the combinations of archetypes on each tribe. And so what I thought was interesting was that I felt like with these three tribes, we didn't necessarily get like the different variations

of archetypes or the combinations, but I felt like the one common that I thought was the one person that felt the need to make bonds with everybody. And I thought that that was just something that I took note of because I'd say on the Yuli tribe, we had Shannon, who is like, you know, I'm not right here. Oh, I'm not right here. Oh, come everybody. Come, everybody, come on. I'm not right I'm not rekeyo. Come on. Feel the ocean. Oh, I'm not right geo. I'm not righteo. Savannah said, I ain't know I'm not or no rakeo. And I see you. But we see Shannon, right? Coming with a lie. I'm not reggae. Oh, I'm not reggae. Oh, I'm not reggae. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I'm not reggae. Oh, ho. We see Shannon with that, right? Also, on the next tribe, I feel like a girl. I'm not reggaeo. Oh, ho. We see Shannon with that, right? Also, on the next tribe, I feel like, I feel.

Like, we see Stephen who's like, hey, I love you. Let's work together. Okay. Hey, I love you. Let's work together. Hey, I love you. Let's work together. Hey, I love you.

Let's work together. Hey, I love you. Let's work together. Hey, like, we see that in Stephen. And then also on the other tribe, we see my girl, Sophie B. Who, and again, I'm very relatable to Sophie B in the sense of like, hey, let's work together. She goes to Jake. Like, hey, let's work together.

And where she says that to Jake and the britches get a little moist where Jake's like, hey, Ashley haven't had any one-on-one with Alex, but I'm just letting you know, that's my man. So let's figure it out. Okay, let's, okay, let's, that's me and my man. And then, you know, Sophie then connects with Jeremiah, Jeremiah. She connects with Nicole. She connects with Annie. like she has this like dominance that I find so interesting because it's like you you do want to

stay on top of it and so I feel like so interesting to see that in each tribe we have this like personality trait that I love and I'm not mad at it because it's like it's what you would want to do while you're on survivor yeah I think you bring up a lot of great points like well yeah shout to Sophie because you asked early on like who stuck out I thought she was great she was super funny but also like her gameplay I thought was really solid but it wasn't like game body I guess you'd say like she had a lot of she was bringing a lot of personality like not afraid to go against the grain a little bit

but also just making a lot of good connections but also kind of bringing up maybe the flip side of this what you brought up of these archetypes that we see again and again you know browsing online a little bit after the episode I do feel like I want to talk I want to make this up it might be a little bit more on a critical side but I do think

like this premiere for me what's up you about saying about casting I am I do want to dive in this because this premiere for me

and what I've heard a lot of people sort of like their feedback on it is I think in the new era it's it's just felt a little bit formulaic and I think a lot of that

it's not all to do with casting like you know having three tribes every season that are the same colors doesn't always make it easy to differentiate between the seasons. But I also think that just,

it's not the casting of any one individual in particular. Like I think everyone there independently, like, is good casting. But I think just collectively, like the vibe has very much become like the same vibe of person kind of throughout, like especially the new era. And that also makes it difficult to differentiate and makes the seasons, especially early on

when they're still getting settled and you like don't really get to know them yet. It makes it feel very. Explain more to me because I understand a word, but I don't understand it. And then we talked about this before. Like, I love the diversity of like race and everything, but there's a lack of diversity of like background and like profession and it's a lot of white collar people. It's a lot of like big survivor fans, which I can't really complain. Like that's my type of person.

But at the same time, it could be very self-referential. Like so many people there are like, well, I want to be the first person aware of size 14 shoe to win the game of Survivor. It's like, well, you don't, like, so many people are such fans that they're, like, referencing the show in and of itself, where it feels almost like you just got a bunch of fans, like, go play, like, a fan game rather than, like, a natural representation of, like, America playing Survivor. Like, where- Is that a meta-thought? Is that a meta? Yeah, exactly.

It's become very meta. And because everyone's such a big fan now, that's a, that's a trend that I feel like has continued to occur. whereas like where are the like not that everyone can like necessarily like I think people have said it skews a lot more like white collar now because maybe those are the people who can afford to take time off of work but in old seasons we'd see like that that blue collar farmer who's never watched

like a teeth nail yeah we're a Dale farm guy 69 or honestly like where is the where like the models who are also super charismatic like it feels like and not to say that that I think back in some old survivors there was too much of an emphasis on on appearance but I also think that there's plenty of like very very attractive people which you know working casting people like to watch that will also have really big personalities and I feel like we don't see that as much

anymore and not that that needs to be the entire cast but I just think to kind of close out my little rant like it just feels the vibe of every season feels very similar whereas go back and look at like Gabon and token chains, which were full back to back, those feel like completely different seasons to me, yeah. But like you look at like those two examples feels like completely different seasons. Obviously that's helped by like different location too. But now look at like 49 and 41. Like that feels that that's like five years apart, but it still feels very, very similar. So this whole new era has kind of blended together under this new era umbrella. And maybe after 50, things will go a different direction.

So who knows? Maybe these complaints are already being addressed. And, like, again, not, like, no in particular, like, one person is, like, a, is, like, bad casting in my mind. It's just this, like, it's just a very similar theme that we see again and again and again. That makes things feel very, um, formulaic, at least at the beginning of the season when things are getting, like, settled in. Do you, what do you guys think about that?

I agree. It's funny because I, I never thought, again, here I go, why I hate Jack. I feel like never what I thought who was the rapper the model that wrapped on your season window Chris Noble who was a recruit also on Jesse season Kobe Cody Cody was a recruit right like there is I do feel like I feel like and before the Cody era but like during the Chris Noble era And before that, people used to have the complaint of like, you're bringing on these recruits and like, this could be a super fan. And I think in reflection, the recruits or someone that doesn't have a knowledge of like,

I have a PhD in Survivor, they bring something different to Survivor. And I think you're absolutely right. We're absolutely missing that. And they normally do well in Survivor, right? They normally like Excel. They're wild cards. They look at it from a different perspective. Sometimes they have a different, like, just way of playing the game.

Yeah. And I think it's a balance where you want to have some of those fans are going to play hard, but also having, like Wendell said, like that wild card, maybe sometimes it's going to be a recruit who doesn't know the game. And for that reason, they might make moves that are not in their best interest, but that allows sometimes the best players to have more wiggle room to really make plays. Whereas now if everybody knows the game, it's so much hard. to like play a big game like a really entertaining winning game because everybody knows you got to cut like cut the the what is it cut the high

cut the cheese the high the grass that sticks out the top like you got to cut that off to keep the lawn clean um i don't know if that's definitely i never heard that jack yeah but but why would you just cut the grass uh don't you think that's a lazy way to cut the grass though but but think about like um no agree but think about you know older seasons a lot of the winners would be more like dominant because they have more wiggle and some of those seasons could be boring but that's why i think it's a balance of like you have the people that are fans that know the game they're going to play hard but then you have some people that are wild cards and they're always going to make the right move uh and they bring a different a different vibe uh cody yeah he was one of those wildcarts.

Absolutely. We watched like a couple seasons, went out there and like, he was fun to watch until Jesse sniped him. But that's the end of my, yeah, I don't, like, but I think that's a complaint that I've seen a lot in general being echoed throughout the survivor community. And it's just the vibe, it just feels very, very similar. It feels, obviously, like I said, other factors of like, it's the same location, it's a lot of the same challenges.

It's the same vibe. It's always three tribes. There's always like an opportunity. And this might hold more true in the premiere when we're just getting to feel things out and getting to know people before they've really settled in. But I don't know. I think that there's a constant.

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the i porter to learn more on the opposite side of the coin even though it is like a formula that does feel the same i also feel like when you use that formula we get new characters that we've never seen before, like a Christina, right? Like, I love Christina's energy. I think that she's amazing. And I also love how, like, she's scared of birds. She's, like, screaming. Like, I love, like, there's something about a Christina that I absolutely just kind of relate to.

Or even, like, the Jason, the alternate, who, like, you can see so many people in him, like, where he's like, hey, full disclosure. too nights ago, I went to bed, I know what the hell is going on. And yet, you see how he moves. And it's so intricate and, like, he's smart. He knows the game. You think of a Annie, where, like, I feel like Annie's the typical older person that doesn't fit in, not that she's older. But my point is, it's like all these people on an individual basis, like I said,

not bad casting, but when you bring them all together, a lot of the vibes are very and I think Christina was a great example because I think she does have like a unique feel in this cast. Like I don't think Christina fits this bill. More so what I like, I guess an example, and again, this isn't a knock on any of the specific people.

When you think of like a lot of the women in this cast, there is a Shannon, a Savannah, a sage and two sophies and they're all like brunette women. And so for the average fan who's watching it, like obviously as the season goes on and they kind of make their mark and distinguish their personalities more, it's going to be different. But up top, it's like for the average viewer who's not doing any research or listening to any podcast, it's like, some of them look the same.

I mean, they do. They absolutely do. But I also want to say like Savannah, right? And again, while we were at our party, and again, spoiler alert to anybody that is listening or watching fast 430 seconds, right? Like, we know Riz God and Savannah, they go on the season 50. While we were at our party last night, and I was talking to some of our friends, because we're not fans at this point.

If you're pulling up to a Bryce and Win because you listen to Survivor News, we're friends. A lot of them did not know who was going on 50. And I, like, I had to do the Jack Atkins and apologize. I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I walk away. I don't, I didn't. In my realm, I. thought it was common knowledge, right?

And so that was a shocker to me. Also, like, someone like Savannah, I love Savannah. Oh, great. Like, like, and again, that's why I hate you, Jack, because I don't know if necessarily some Savannah would have been somebody that's on my radar, but Savannah is a shark, and I love a shark. Like, Savannah is like, hey, let's play. Boom, boom, boom.

Okay, I'm done. What's up? I'm trying to kill you. What's up? Like, I, like, I, oh. And I do one with me that she diagnosed that Shannon might not be her cup of tea, but she saw that she had influence and was like, let me connect rather than like a pose.

And now Samantha's a great spot. Even, yes. But here's where I said, oh, I'm locked in with Savannah. Joanne. First of all, Joanne had a killer episode. I love the way Joanne was navigating. Also, I saw Joanne without his shirt on. I could see he was.

doing them push-ups. He had to look. I said, okay, Joanne. What about his fire? Well, he don't need to light my fire. It'll be all right. Okay. You all right?

Just checking. Don't worry, Joana. I got a lighter, okay? He said he practiced for two years. It'll be all right. He should have been practicing before, Joanne. You should have been practicing, John. Just checking, you know, you're our people.

Just check in. He can't practice, but here's the thing. you can't practice with a lighter. But no, I like, I love Joanne's art. Him being the oldest of five of a single parent household, me being the youngest of five from a single parent household. Like, I immediately got Joanne, but I also love how Joanne talked to everybody.

Joanne, like, you know, I love Joanne. I was like, oh, my God. Joanne about the witness, like, this win this season. But what won me over with Savannah, was when Joanne had a meltdown about not making fire. And here I am the third boot of Cagion. And the way my mind thinks is, if it's us three, me, Wendell and Jack, and Jack making fire,

and Jack can't make fire. And he's trying and he's trying. And then you walk off and you get upset. In my mind, I say, that's an opening. I'm going to go over there and talk to Jack. Like, I'm going to go, like, that's how my mind works. I'm like, I'm going to go make a connection with Jack and be like, it's good. Like, that would be an opening for me.

I love the fact that Savannah said, okay, I was going to work with him and take him to the end. Like, that's just not how my mind works. And that has me thinking like, wow, like that, that's a shark. And okay, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. What am I humming, Wendell? Because you're a father. You're not humming baby shark, that's for sure. He was trying to.

Jack. You know what you're not humming. How does, okay, Jack. How does baby shark go? Hummed. This is so five years ago, but. No, it's not, it's not a window house. Go?

Since I'm not humming it. It's like, mm-hmm. That's what I was humming. The baby shark part, you were just do, do, do, do it was just all bad, Bryce. Anyway, I- Baby shark, do-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-baby-shock. Okay, now how do we do the Savannah mix?

Bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bppppon-bbbbbbbbbbb. because that's how said that it was moving. She said, vote Joe Wants to do do you do. No,

I can't manifest that energy. That's crazy. Wait, before we move too far forward, Wendell, I do want to hear your thoughts on that discussion

we had about just kind of the new era not to be on like a negative kick, but it's just a sentiment I've seen online. But Jack,

before we've just moved too far forward, I'd just love to hear from, What Bryce said. About which part, Bryce, I will gladly opine on the castes kind of having similar vibes and that you get a lot of similarish players and it would be cool to have. Jack said that.

Well, I just wanted to see if you agree, disagree. I agree. I'm always a fan of diversity. And, yeah, like, what's home boys name? Pat Cusack. Let's get, like, throw, you know, let's throw some, you know, different players in the mix and really shape. I mean, that's a great example of a season that has, like,

everything you could, like David versus Goliath. He was the impact, right? But that whole season, it's like, there's so many different. And I don't know if this is a, in a weird way, I know not everybody loves a theme necessarily, but a lot of these theme seasons do really establish these archetypes of people very quickly. Like a brain's bronze beauty, you kind of know off the rip what everybody's vibe is. And it helps, I don't want to say like shoe horns them into a category because people are so much more than that.

But you kind of know immediately like what someone is bringing, right? And it helps kind of establish their, I want to say their role or their archetype because, again, they're going to bring more throughout the course of the season. but just off the top, even for like the average fan who might not be listening to a podcast and like, no, when everybody's names, you know, it's, you'd be like, oh, well, that's the guy that's like the Southern guy who's a model or whatever, you know. Right.

You want to know one of my gripes, though? Yeah. One of my gripes for the marooning challenges, I absolutely hate when they got a run into the woods, I don't know why that like I don't know why that like prickles my pickle but like I don't like when they have to like run into the woods like Jeffrey show me like what we got to do right here jump off of a boat let's like get everything off a boat come to shore it prickles my pickle I think that's a I love this take because I'm imagining I'm imagining the team's standing on the mat, cheer it, go Jake, go Jake! He runs in the woods, and then they're just kind of like,

so where are you from? We just got to kill some time, we don't know what, they don't know, they don't even know how they're doing, right? It's like their first impression of their team. It's like, I hope that they're getting that snake. Bryce is having an issue, Jack. Oh, my. Since you missed it now.

Bryce is like, I want to see them grab the snake. I absolutely do but time out though since we are talking about them running into the woods also that was a long snake can we just okay

can we take a moment now although I said Jake might be built like Hulk Hogan and not in a negative way but like he got a little Jake looked like he drink beer and he do crunches and I ain't mad at that

but what I was not prepared for was the way Jake took off. Did y'all see? Jake was out. Like, check. Look at him.

No. I don't correlate that body type to going fast. And with Jake, I said, you got legs of a runner. I don't know what that is, and that's not funny. I don't know what that is. He's got a big upper body,

A little more... Okay, and legs I'm running, don't have no big upper body. Anyway, but... The thing that I also thought was so funny with Jake was... Okay. Jake was out.

Also, Alex was out, too. I was... That's what Jake fell in love. Okay, I was a little jealous. Okay, I was... Call me Sophie B., because I was like, no, wait a minute. But what...

For me, being somebody that has actually been on the first episode, You know, that's all I got. Actually, I got two episodes. But, and maybe you could attest to this window. And I think that Jake alluded to this was that, like, sure, this marooning challenge, like, they were challenges. Run to the woods. Then to, like, also with my hatred of the running into the woods, oh, baby, the way I love an actual swimming challenge.

Like, when you have to, like, because the wave's something. of people was running into the ocean. I'm like, that's dumb. Like, don't run into the ocean top speed because you can't, like, die. You have to, like, mid-sprint so that you can, like, whew. But I love the swimming challenge.

But, again, what I just wanted to say, Wendell was on my challenge or my season on the first episode, what shocked me, we weren't in Fiji. We were in the Philippines, was I gave that exact same energy, which is why Solano we won, but you quickly feel, like, you feel the heat. You feel you haven't been drinking water. You quickly feel like, oh, I need to pace myself. And throughout the challenges, I'm like, oh, Jake is killing it.

And it reminds me of Garrett from my season, like the bigger men, I oftentimes feel like, like even Brandon Codham on his season, you go so hard and your body feels it the absolute most. And I'm like, whoa, Jake needs to slow it down a little bit because, like, you're going to feel it. And also it's just like, do you, I don't know. And again, you could talk to this window and Jake, you're a Jake, Jack, your take where sometimes, and again, I love Jake.

I thought like, but I also feel like, baby, you going too hard. Like, too hard. Like, but I also question someone like a Jake where it's like, you clearly want to go out there and be like, oh, oh, oh, I'm the big bad wolf. Oh, oh, oh, I'm the big bad wolf. And it's like, I rather you like, be the big bad wolf, but like, don't blow my house down.

I think that's a great point with the water challenges too, because at least if you're running on land and you get gassed out, you can like paste yourself a little bit more but if you gas it into the water and like you're gonna be exerting it you can't just take a break while you're swimming and that that water part was pretty intense with the whole the whole ass boat

they had to pull in and even Jeffrey was like this is a swimming challenge like I was like oh like they are like yeah he ain't playing they were out there so Jeff lets you know yeah like in saying that it's like yeah

y'all are about to really swim and really drag this thing. Yeah. What did you guys think about these other challenges? You know, first we could hit the Rizzo Alex face off for the supplies. What did you guys think about that? I thought it was awesome television.

And Rizzo, we trust, right? Like, because first of all, I love Alex. Like, Alex is smart out. First of all, Rizzo being like, yo, if it's a puzzle, no cat. and yo no cat it is a puzzle i'm just letting y'all know we ain't going like it that ain't for me we're cooked we're cooked we're like that's actually smart if you're good or bad at a puzzle when you are sent to you know off

like if you preemptively let them know like yo i'm not good at puzzles the bars love that you're like it's either i told you or right Hey, hey. Question. Clearly after watching the episode, we could see Alex got his puzzle and where the anchor, not the anchor. What do you call the, the wheel? But what's the, like, the, in the ship term, they call it something. The wheel? No.

The wheel? They call it something. What do you call the wheel of a ship? Okay, whatever, but No, it's not It's, it I think you're muted. I think you're muted.

Bryce, you're muted, I think. Like the stern or like the helm, the helm, the helm. Anyway, is it in survivor rules? Like, we see where Alex was digging. It was like them two things there.

like if Rizzo didn't finish his puzzle he couldn't just run to wear on his spot his wheel wasn't a different um but it was in a different spot but if you look it was like two sticks like it like was I was thinking about that I'm guessing there was a rule he had to finish his puzzle so he couldn't like I don't know that that's a good but also maybe it wasn't just in there so then he true if he doesn't finish it then he's like then he's just running over there just wasting time I thought Alex should have have, you know, maybe... Dismantled.

Yeah, maybe he wasn't sure the exact spot. So maybe you leave the X, but you take out the other pieces, right? I don't... I can't, you know, heat of the moment. That's like, you know, I see why he didn't maybe do that. And obviously, you had a big lead and just kind of quite... Those digging parts are always... I mean, we've seen those work out horribly for some people.

Like, oh, Ron, they dig for so long and you can't... And they bury them pretty deep, it looks like, too. So you might be digging somewhere for a while and, be like three feet down and give up and it's three and a half feet down. And you're like, that's kind of like, yeah. And that's what won me over about the Riz God was when he won and he was like, this is the biggest moment of my life. Like this is like, I'm looking out for my girl, my family.

And then he starts crying. And I'm like, ah, why are they making me love the Riz God? And not that I don't already love him, he's been great, but like his, like, it's like he has Christian Ubicki with a Jolensky mixed in with a little wrong, right? Like, it's like there's so many, like, and I say the wrong because it's like he's a character. He knows it. Like, it's just, there's just so many things. But like, you also, he's 24, he's still a baby, right? Like, I don't know, but just like him crying over that.

Him just, I was like, God darn it, I'll, and Riz we trust. Oh, my gosh, sweet baby Riz. Like, you know. I'm still feeling him out a little bit, but definitely, like, he was great during that challenge because he was funny and just like him going and like looking at that Alex's puzzle and just all, like, every moment was, was great. And his got, he's doing it. He's doing it.

and he's saying funny things, too. Like, we are hearing his thoughts. And tell me if I'm glazing or not, but I also feel like sometimes on Survivor, we know when people are pandering to the audience. I don't get that Riz is pandering, right? Like, I get that, like, Riz is like, he reminds me of you, Jack.

Like, you're just, he, I just, I get the sense. That's just his actual, like, inner monologue. He just be funny. Yeah, he's not, yeah, that's not, yeah, that's true he's not like it doesn't seem like he's like trying too hard to put on a show he just like right yeah speaking of jolinsky's apparently someone at uh the event last night thought i was jillinsky is that a compliment we'll see we'll see

appearance wash we'll take it well you know we'll take it jillinsky's delinzky is handsome he's a daddy you're a daddy jillinsky spent more time on the island i think brando came over to me it was like They just asked if you were Jolensky, I was like, fair enough. Shout out to Brando. What else do I want to talk about? Well, do you want to talk about now we can kick over to the immunity challenge? Okay.

I thought the immunity challenge was very interesting in the sense that we don't normally, that snake challenge that we saw, we don't normally see it. three people right it's usually more I thought it was normally two people and I thought normally we see that snake challenge

is vertical well I'm not laying in the water too it's in the water and doesn't like many people have to get it out of the water I thought yeah they each had to they went pairs each to get three different ones right so no I'm talking about the actual puzzle at the end

oh like that puzzle and we and we did it in South Africa. Like, that was something when we completed. You did it vertically, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, we don't normally see it like that. And it's normally like two people. So I thought the third element makes it extremely more harder. It was definitely, yeah. Oh, you're talking more about like the snake, like the, like the maze itself than like the, yeah. Yeah, I thought it was, and they only had to get one ball in, right? I think so I don't know.

I mean, I, the blue chop definitely was a little bit of a disaster. There was, I mean, there were a lot of funny, like, Nicole just spitting water chair my sound like, that was crazy. And then I also thought, I didn't think Nicole was like doing a particularly bad job at calling, but then you have Annie who's like, this is as far as it'll go. Meanwhile, she's got like five feet a rope behind her and she's like leaning forward into the thing. I'm like, sis, back up a little bit. Like, what do you mean? So that was sort of a disaster. But yeah, it's interesting.

I mean, on paper, like, I think a lot of people thought this blue tribe would be, you know, how you have like a, I feel like I saw a lot of people talking about, oh, there's always like a disaster tribe. Like the production is always planning one tribe to lose everything. But it's like, if they were planning for a tribe to lose all the challenges, I don't think that's the tribe they're putting Jake on. Like, you know, I disagree. I think that it, I think that that is the tribe you will. put a Jake O' on? Well, I don't think you would expect that the tribe with Jake would end up

losing a lot of challenges. Obviously, they've only lost a couple so far. Maybe they'll bounce back. But, yeah, and I think also the element of having so many people do things in pairs kind of also balances things out a little bit, because then you're only as as strong as your weakest link sometimes. So.

Yeah. I think Nicole, I mean, Nicole and Annie both struggled a little bit, but I didn't think, I thought watching the episode, Nicole was probably better in the challenges than Annie. There's other things that play, of course, but yeah, you can see those four, the four on blue, like Alex, Jeremiah, Jake, and Sophie came together pretty quick. The other two were on the outs a little bit socially, also challenge wise. So it makes sense kind of the direction that this goes after the challenge does. I have a hot take. Yeah.

Mind you, I'm a Sophie B. Like, I'm a Sophie B fan. Like, I've gotten to meet Sophie B in person and I like Sophie B's spikes, right? Like, I like how she's like, oh, okay, I get a little jealous to somebody tell me they my number one and you talk to somebody else and we clearly see Sophie B like lending and moving herself. I think it's just, there's no shade to my girl, Sophie B, but I think a potential misstep in Sophie B was.

when she connects with Jake while Alex is away. And we know that Jake and Alex haven't really talked one-on-one. And Sophie B kind of says like, hey, why? What's your drawing do? And Jake immediately says, well, I feel like I have a connection with Alex. So it's Alex, me and you, let's go. In that moment, I would have been like, okay, that's, That's like, that's, that's red flag number one in the sense of like,

you're bringing someone, you're bringing someone to the table. So that automatically puts me at a deficit. I think, and again, who knows how it'll shake out? I feel like it may have been as Sophie B's best interest to maybe have then, get a Jeremiah, get in a cold. Well, she kind of did. She kind of did. Kind of, but like, didn't.

For me, the more, the more, no, I think Sophie had a lot of, options this episode so that's why she had to make certain decisions that we can like discuss i think the i think she handled that fine to me the bigger like this isn't even like a big misstep but something i questioned a little bit more was when when nicole became the target and annie came to sophy and said we can go down to cole and then you me and jeremiah can take out one of the boys next if i'm sophy i maybe want to keep that option open because like you said obviously Alex and Jake are close

it would make a lot of sense next for Sophie, Jeremiah and Annie to team up because then if you get the four with that duo it's going to be hard to break them up but at the same time if she's really locked in with Jake and Alex which I don't think is a bad move by any means

then they can also just buy her some more loyalty points to be like by the way Annie came to me with this information and I want to just tell you guys right away because you're my people and also it looked like Sophie was maybe a little bit closer with Nicole than with than she was with Annie.

So maybe that was a play to maybe shift the vote on to Annie, throw that information out there, keep Nicole. And then maybe Sophie has the same option with Nicole at 5. So that's not even, I don't even think she did anything wrong,

but that was more of the inflection point that I thought was like, hmm, like that's a little more analysis. And I'm even with you in the sense of that same point, but, you know James Jones says information is knowledge right where it's like you don't have to report that to them yeah hold that to your chest but you're making the end roads but I also feel like again like I said that like that player that we have seen in Sophie and Stephen and in Shannon where it's like that chaoticness even like I love the little moment where Sophie and Jeremiah are walking and Jeremy

Meyer's like, hey, I went to Jake and Jake said he'll talk to you and like, and Sophie's like, but yeah, if you're going to be my number one, you got to tell me everything. And Jeremiah, like, bitch I just did. Like, that's where like I love a Sophie. Like so, again, but Sophie is positioning herself well, but it just kind of, it makes me a little nervous. And like, I don't want you to go along with their plans. Like, I want you to be making the moves. I do, but again, we will see what happens.

and again, I'm a Sophie B. The thing is, I also do think Sophie with that group is in there, is that's a three. And then Jeremiah and Annie feel a little bit more. But I feel like in that group, she's, but she's definitely three to. But true. I actually don't think it's so bad, like, you know,

God forbid they go to three more tribal in a row. Early on, I actually like to be the three, right? You have this pair up with a duo who is going to be perceived as the ones controlling things. They might have more of the target. You're the tag along. Obviously, you have to, you do, I think ideally in a group of six, you want to make sure you are in that final two of that tribe

to make sure you got paths all the way through. But I don't hate to be the three in like a perceived couple, whether it's a bromance or a showmats. Come on, talk about a bromance. Now, you bringing up a bromance, can I ask you to a question? Do you feel like, again, I love a good bromance, I love a little M-O-M-O-M. I love a little man-on-man action.

Okay, I love a, like, you know, anyway. Okay, okay. I'm just saying, snake on snake. Okay, this is a child-friendly show, Bryce. I'm saying you two people had to go get the snake. Is that not snake on snake? No. Well, that would be just one snake.

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I feel like Jake might be shaking the snake a little too much. Like, I don't know. Like, I feel like... What? I feel like they are too forward. Yes. Yes. And I feel like it's more Jake to the snake, to Alex.

And I feel like Alex is like, wow, I have a number one. And I love that. And again, this is me reflecting on many seasons watching it, where it's like, if I were to have a number one, I don't want you all to know that's my number one. Like, that would be problematic. for me. And I feel like they're just being a little too bold with it. However, I also feel like

when I was on Kagayan, I had many connections with people, but we were like private with it. And I feel like sometimes when you are the strong, dominant together, it shakes the tables below you. So people kind of

have to like move under it. So it's like, I don't know which one is better, but like it just brings me to, sometimes I don't want you to know what's up but also you know what's right like when you're at travis six now it's like okay they're an obvious duo so if i'm any of the other three i'm going to be like well at what point uh am i not are they coming after me because there's only like jeremiah and annie got to know they're up next and so it's going to be up to sophie to be like does she want to stick

with that pair and be the three or does she want to create her her own squad to roll with And do we feel like Alex watch season 38 trying to create a gay and a tsunami with him and Annie? Or do you feel like that was? Because I immediately saw the comparison. I was like, oh, okay. And would that have been the last season they watched before they went out? I don't know if he's trying. I don't know if he's trying to do that.

I mean, he compared her to the, I guess, congressperson that he works for. the person on the hill he works for. And so, yeah, he looked at this relationship, which is a great working relationship. And he's like, all right, I can do this in Survivor. I can work with this person. I just think Alex is also, like, I feel like he knows the game.

And I feel like a very classic move. And this probably happens a lot. And this is just maybe the one they showed. But it's like, oh, you remind me of my cousin. Like, you're so, and then that makes people feel like, oh, like they think of me like family, even though is Annie going to be a congresswoman

like that to me and she even said she's like don't say your mom like and you could tell he was like he's like you remind me a lot of the women I know I do want to ask and I just want to whoever wants to start us off

but right it feels pretty apparent that the options are Nicole and Annie And they even tell Annie, like, you're, we're telling her, it's you. Presumably when Nicole, like, Nicole thinks it's, you know, Nicole obviously thinks it's Annie. And maybe, you know, Nicole not knowing anything else, it's probably like, okay, Annie thinks it's you, Nicole. Like, that probably came up. And we don't really see, you know, not that we see everything, but we don't really see any of them, like, scramble or make any other plans. Or there's no shot in the dark sort of being, from what we see.

being considered. And then, you know, ultimately, Nicole was like, I got fully blindsided. It's like, you know, you didn't think you were going home, but you kind of knew as you were Annie. So that's not, to me, that's not a blind side necessarily. But what do you guys think, like, in their shoes, when you kind of know it's you or the other person,

should they have rocked the boat more? Do they kind of just have to, like, hope that your people are your people and they're going to stick with you and try to earn that trust that way? If it's the first, hmm. So, me being the first person voted off of my tribe, I do have a more nuanced response to this answer. And with Nicole being a queer woman, and we see immediately when Nicole and Jeremiah connect, she makes the connection of like, I'm glad this tribe is more colorful, right? Like for me, that makes me feel like Nicole is present in her, her queerness.

And I think, and I'm just speaking for myself, on my tribe, when I was on Cogion, me being a gay black man, I didn't want to be too aggressive in the sense of we working together. Let's go. We working together. Let's go. Like, right? Like, because I, and again, it's different. I'm a gay black man. is a queer

Caucasian woman, right? And so our experiences are different, but I would think that maybe it's similar that there are some stereotypes of gay people that like, will bond together, will, like, connect. And so for me, when I was out there, I didn't

want to be like, we locked in, let's go. We locked in, let's go. Like, I wanted to, like, let's give it some time, less a day or two. And from the edit in which we see, we see Jake waits no time. We see Sophie waits no time.

We see Jeremiah even sees what's happening and clicks up. I almost feel like, and I haven't listened to Nicole's exit interviews, but I almost wonder if it was something of like Nicole being like, I'm a queer woman out here. I don't want to come on to whatever. I want to like form natural relationships and go from there because it seems like, sure, Nicole messed up,

but, like, Nicole was holding her weight. Like, she was carrying, like, you messed up, but she's strong, she's dedicated. It seems for me, I feel like it was more of a thing where she didn't strike. She didn't make connections and, like, lock in. And that's something that I feel like I struggle with was that I didn't lock in.

I wanted to, like, give it a day or two, then lock in, but people had already locked in. And so I think that that is really what, could have been the downfall of Nicole. No, fair. Totally hear that given so, and then I guess flash forward to after the challenge, now these votes are being discussed and she kind of has this, it's a little more binary of like it seems like it's either going to be Annie or maybe, you know, assuming she doesn't know who Annie is voting for, it might be her.

Do you think she made the right play and just kind of like keeping it a little more simple and hoping that her people were with her. Obviously, that didn't work out, but I think there's a case, too, that that's the move because that's kind of what Annie did and it worked out, okay? Or do you think Nicole should have been and going to look for idols?

Should she have been trying to make another plan with, should she have to team up with Annie and make another move? Like, how do you think, given that situation where maybe she doesn't have the best relationships yet, how does she maneuver out of this? Or does she play her shot in the dark? Yeah, you want a backup plan.

So, yeah, you want to, keep your eyes feel for idols. You want to if it's you or her and you're not sure which you can't be at that moment, you should use your side of the dark. But I

go ahead. I think you should, but I also feel like to give credit to the tribe, I think they blindsided her. Like I don't think that she even thought that it was not her. And that's the thing as to why

it's like, I'm not mad at the position that was in because, like, I feel like they really blindsided her. I don't think that she even... Yeah, she obviously got more, like, in her mind, they're going to be any. Right. And so my, that's what my message. That begs a couple general questions of, like, A, or especially early on, if you know

it's someone else or you, do you lock in and just hope that it's someone else and hope that your people are with you? Or just with your name being on the table, do you go and try to make an alternate? plan because that alternate plan might work and take your name out of the mix but it also could then your people could be like oh now all of a sudden they're trying to make like shake things up maybe we just get them i think that's a debate to have i also think the other thing is like we've talked about this before if you know it's you or someone else and it's probably going to be five one either way do you just play your shot in the dark to be safe um and i think there's a reason

i think absolutely that because either way it's either going to be you or them probably unanimous so your vote doesn't really matter but at the same time the vote by not playing your shot in the dark and voting I think it does show more trust in your allies so that if it actually is Annie like they're not questioning that you know you were nervous or whatever

so that's a weird dilemma to me where it's not I think we need to back it up more like we need to back it up prior to that and I think my advice to this situation is you need a number one day one night one you need a number one period like that because say Nicole locked in with Jeremiah

and this all happens right like I would think that Jeremiah would be like hey sis we locked in but baby they say your name and it's nothing I can do the only thing that I can do is tell you is that they are voting for you then that puts Nicole in a better position to be like, I have to play my shot in the dark, right? Where I feel like watching this episode, I don't know who Nicole's number one was. Was it Sophie? Yeah.

Was it Annie? And so, again, I just think like backing it up a little bit more is like to the future survivor players because we know people that listen to Survivor News will be the future survivor players. It's like night one, lock in with someone, period. And don't play a safe. it's almost like if you have I think of the tribe of 6-2

it's if you lock in with one and ideally you're not going to be as obvious as like a Jake and Alex you lock it with one should you be I don't think so but that's the question that I have though

because like look at how look at what position that well I think you solidify but maybe you don't nationally broadcast your whole tribe of like this is my because once you have this duo then you pull a third make them maybe feel like

they're your number one right me maybe Bryce me you lock in we're like we can get Wendell but then by not being an obvious duo we make Wendell feel good now we're a three and once you have three out of six usually unless the other three is really really locked in

I mean they're not going to go to rocks you let you tell someone you're look we can be a four they're going to be like I'm down and that's your squad so I think that's I'm with you Jack that's what I mean by I agree you got to get your number one early. Yeah.

You have enough pressure to then grab the other things around you. But if you're standing idly by, you're not locking in. You're right. You're just on with that. But my now new question to you, though, is do I not broadcast who my number one is? Because it feels like in recent survivor era, in the new era, the people that be locked in. And again, I'm not saying when, but in order to win. you have to make it to what?

The end. James Jones. Well, think about a Kyle and a Camilla. The next day. Well, right. Secret. Very true. But also, Kyle was locked in with, who else?

That was publicly known. I'm saying, like, you have to make it to the next day. And so I agree. And again, this is the Jack Hackens in me. This is the Brax, Maxin and me that. Who's brass? The Brax, Max, the Brack, the Brack, the Brack, Isaac. No, not even the Black, the Brack, like Jack.

The Brack, but anyway, the Brack Jackson and me feels like maybe you should go public because, like, again, maybe you separate from that public thing, but like, there's something to like, oh, they're together. I don't, again, I don't. But I think that also creates this. risk of like that's a duo everyone else can then be like oh you see how close jack and bryce are that's the duo so i think you have to and that was everybody against you privately and like really lock in but i don't think you need to advertise that because ideally you have a couple people thinking maybe there you're number but again jack's jake and Alex they didn't necessarily broadcast it but when sophy b came to jake jake was like hey well he

You don't think that's kind of your rock beach. He said, come on, babe. They held hands and skipped up the beach together. Ain't not wrong. And what's wrong with that? But they're not broadcasting anything. They literally did it on national TV. When we get frozen yogurt, you don't hold my hand and go in and get the frozen yogurt?

I do not. Do you pay for the frozen yogurt? I don't do that either. Do you spoon feed the frozen yogurt? I don't do that either. Do you guys are broken the yogurt quietly? He's smooth eating Weddie and Bryce comes in

I want to get some of that. Let me tell you guys because we're on this tangent, the only reason why Bryce drives with me and Lenny to Ellen to Ellen to help him because he wants to get frozen yogurt. Nothing wrong with that.

And he waits till after we drop Lenny off and then Bryce and I go get frozen yogurt. Instead of getting the frozen yogurt with my son. Anything wrong with that? He said, you don't got a bad for his little ass.

Bryce is like, I just miss how it used to be just you and me. Bryce is like, you've only known this fool for two years. No new friends. Not even my baby. No, but I have discovered frozen yogurt. It is delicious. But also, since we're all this topic, I have two flavors of frozen yogurts that I get. What does your cup of frozen yogurt look like, Wendell?

I get a dollop of about five different flavors. That's a lot. It's self-serve. Man, I remember when I was 12. Would you go with your, would you go with Christine or Ben? I feel like usually there's someone else's parents take it. And what would your bucket look like? My mom would be like, we got frozen yogurt at home or whatever.

Yeah. So ultimately, our girl, Nicole, goes home. And yet again, the trend of a woman, a queer person, is eliminated first on Survivor, and it sucks to see. But if I happen to be the first person to go home, I would love my Survivor edit for me to be spitting water in somebody's face and throwing up in my hand. I mean, I feel like low-key Nicole is iconic. And I always say this.

In order to play Survivor, you have to understand that, like, Jack is not a gambler. but in order to win big or in high stakes, you have to be in a position to have an attitude to afford to lose the money that you put out. And so in order to play Survivor and want to win big, you have to be able to know that you playing could result in you going home. And so although Nicole went home, I thought she was an absolute delight to our screen. I'm happy that she has added

to our Survivor family and I hope to see her again I want to get out of attitude in her exit confessional she's from Philly right is this the Philly curse lives in Philly right she lives in Philly she's from

Long Island she lives in Philly my coworker she is my co-worker's cousin shout out to May Gleason and yeah I mean what's up with this Philly curse well it's the Philly people get on it's a matter of what you do on the show

yeah and is it a curse because I feel like the best people that have ever played Survivor are always pre-mergers pre-mergers are the most dynamic amazing fun talented people so is it a curse or is it a blessing you tell me

all a matter of perspective I guess but you know I feel like we talked about during our draft, I think you guys had mentioned talking about failure that you were like a lot of maybe Philly's struggle. We don't have a winner yet. We are hoping you have someone

to win. Speaking of the draft, Nicole was one of Wendell's picks for a potential third boot, which to me generally I would say you kind of clocked it because like first boot, third boot, it all similar range. I have her as a potential merge boot, so that's

off the table for me. How'd you have that ready so fast? So, you know, me and Wendell, I guess we're a point down because we got fewer options for this third boot. But, you know, I feel like my drafts looking good, though. I'm mad at it. Diva down. Diva down. Well, I think Survivor 49 is off to a great start, whether Jack and the latter believe that it's the same season, different names or even same names.

I think the personalities here make it. Also, just a shout out to our girl, MC. I feel like she had a phenomenal episode. We didn't see a lot of her, but I feel like MC is competitive. She's fun. She speaks her mind. I feel like we didn't really talk about shit.

Well, we talk about, I'm not right kayo Shanana. I feel like, listen, whether you, for you, and we're about to end this, but let's just talk about the little. of you being a yogi, you being a meditation person. The fact that you can have your whole tribe out in the morning meditating, that says something about your position.

And so we'll see how it plays out for Shannon. But like, that's, we see Savannah clocking it. But like, that's, we see you, girl. Shout out. To the point of what I said, I do think, I mean, I stand by that, but I think as the season goes on, these person eyes start to carve themselves out more and become more distinct and, like, give more flavor to the season.

I just mean, like, especially thinking about, especially like early pre-merges, a lot of times it does blend. I do want to play about that, but. We didn't talk a lot about Sophie C, but I feel like we didn't see much of her, but in the new era, I feel like when we don't see much of people, people in the beginning, that's a good thing, right? Like, and what I can say enough is that, like, Sophie C seems in the game. She seems to be aware and she seems to be physical, all things that work with me.

I also think, um, Jason, someone, we saw a lot in the beginning. But again, someone that's smart, that's like intelligent, he plays the game, like, he, like, we didn't see a lot of, a lot of people, but I feel like we got to see peaks of everybody, and I think it has the potential for a great season, whether you are Jack and other people that feel like it was the same season just... I'm so optimistic.

I still, yeah, I still feel like it was a fun premiere. It feels like that, like Bryce and when the blueprint, the keys, and the ignition is... It's getting charged up. Like, the premieres recently, it's always, it's an intro. You know, you're still warming up the things. I think it'll take off. I'm not trying to be pessimistic.

No, I love it. And again, Joanne had a good showing. We shout out to Joanne. I was super hype for Joanne. Sage. She definitely was staging. Okay. I don't need to see nobody poop.

But I would, never mind. Wrap it up, B. I'm going to tell an antidote, but I won't. Okay. Unless you want me to. No. Okay. Bonus content.

I'm not in the pool. I do feel like people's poop do have their own sense. In the sense of, here's the thing. I've been to Wendell's house, and Wendell has blown up the toilet, and I can walk in, and I could be like, oh, window blew up the toilet. We were at Fifth and Mad. We were setting up. Joey Hatch had to blow up the toilet.

Bryce. We're just like, is it safe to go to the bathroom yet? I'm like, you can still smell it. So I'm just saying, like. Breaking news. Go into the bathroom smells sometimes. Breaking news. Never use the restroom when Bryce Isaiah is around.

Be-bay. I, baby. Do not go like the Froyo bathroom. okay anyway I'm just saying people's people's off of the bathroom

has to go to the bathroom at the South African airport that's how we met and I was definitely going okay line out the door on the time you're done but

put in a timestamp to stop listening at the 134 mark Jack Froyo is that dairy I think so. It's yogurt. That's dairy. Don't be, don't

You told you so. Wrap it up me. We'll have dairy free from you, though. Okay. All right. Well, listen, this isn't a dairy free podcast. This is definitely dairy podcast. Survivor News is back and in full effect. This has been your Survivor News covering season 49, episode one. We'll be back next week. We also will be in Boston for Bryce and When, 49, the blueprint tickets are still available.

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