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Episode Date: December 7, 2024

The baby boys are back! Join @briceizyah, @wendellholland, and @jackatkins21 with Survivor 45’s @Jakeo.kane as they break down Survivor 47, Episode 12, Operation: Italy. As the final seven battle for a spot in the final six, tensions soar with bold strategies and shifting dynamics. The women’s alliance takes charge, with Teeny, Sue, Caroline, and Rachel aiming for dominance, but Genevieve’s crafty plan and a Fake Immunity Idol promise chaos. Who will secure safety, and whose torch will be snuffed just shy of the finale? Tune in for fiery Tribal drama, standout moments, and an in-depth analysis of the game-changing moves leading into the two-night season finale!

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up, and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's recap. Woo, baby! Episode 12 did not disappoint. I mean, it is so much for us to get into. We have to talk about these challenges, the rewards, Operation Italy, and so much more. So I'm so excited to have the winner of Ghost Island, Wendell Holland. Netflix Circle Season 2, our baby boy Jack Atkins. And we have Survivor 45's Jake O'Kane joining us this week to help break all of this down. So listen, let's get in to this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News.

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What's going on? We're back this week with your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 47, Episode 12. An episode to talk about if there ever was an episode to talk about. So, of course, I have the first Merge boot from Winners at War when Deezy Holland was popping with you.

I'm more than the first Merge boot, but I'll take it. How you doing, Perp? You're the first Merge boot, but it's cool. And we have the star of Netflix The Circle Season 2, and the floor is lava. He might not be

in LA. He's in the same time zone, even though the time that is in LA is the same time that is in this time zone. We've got Jack Adkins. What's poppin'? What's up? I'm not going to get into the time zone debate. It's an old debate between us. This pale Orlando light is flooding in on me,

and I think I realized I need to go sit in the sun for a little bit. I'm really excited to talk about the episode before I do that. Well, with an episode like this, I feel like we have to get somebody that not only can relate, but is a legend in their own right. Let's welcome Survivor Season 45, the legend, baby girl, Jake, back to the podcast. What's going on, Jake? I'm just happy that I have this ring light and Jackie's so much more pale than me right now. I think that's how I know that it's getting bad

um yeah it's when someone in boston has more more color than you yeah yeah um and speaking of boston uh bryson when we were just in boston for tour 47 last wednesday j was there. The building, the energy was amazing. Jake was a crowd pleaser, if I do say so myself. Jake was all over the place. Everybody wanted a piece of Jake. Yeah, Boston was absolutely amazing.

So much fun. It was cold as I don't know what in Boston, but we had an amazing time. We had some The Mole Winner. We had some Real World MTV. We had the Squid Games. We had Survivor Quebec. We had Survivor

Big Brother. Who? Amazing Race was in the building. Amazing Race. Mary and Chris, yeah. Boston definitely did not disappoint. We had a time in Boston. It was great.

It was so much fun. We had the group with the games. What's the name of their company? They brought a bunch of Survivor games, and we were actually competing in life-size Survivor games at our event. So it was dope. I think it's Underground. We will get the proper name and give them the right shout-out.

I got to look her up. I follow her on Instagram. We'll say that name. But she does events around the city every once in a while, and people can rent her stuff for bodies. And she's got a bunch of those classic survivor challenges that I did out there. So it's cool.

It's cool to revisit them. Yeah. survivor challenges that, you know, I did out there, you know? So it's cool. It's cool to revisit them. Yeah. Their Instagram account is Boston underground games and they, they bring legit games to you. So if you're in that area, yeah. Like, I mean, they had the snake puzzle. It's like, you know, eight feet tall and they were really maneuvering it the ball all the way up yeah it was legit it was crazy they had the immunity challenge

where you had to spell immunity and rope it back I was doing good until I realized I spelled immunity right but I mean we could have predicted that one Bryce they also had they also had the Michelle Fitzgerald tower that she kicked over after she did it. Yeah, they had some good ones.

So thank you, Boston Underground Games. Thank you all so much for coming. Absolutely, Jack. The posse was in the building. The posse wanted me to relay a message to you. Two things. One person said they wanted to know, did you make the biscuits from

scratch or were they out of a can? They're out of a can. I hope the guy even hid that last week. We saw that. And a posse member named Peyton said she don't know who was yelling at us, but

they love the beginning of us just talking-ish before we warm up into Survivor. So I just had to report that. And Jack, where are you? I'm in Orlando, Florida. What's going on? I'm at the Over the Edge reality charity event, raising money for a good cause.

A bunch of other reality stars out here. It's an event I've been to a lot, and it's a little bit different this year, but it's been fun so far. I've got some great roommates. I'm with Xander, and I'm with Joe Stabdin from Big Boat. Do they need a third roommate? I'm the third roommate, but

I don't know. Maybe you could be the fourth. Yeah, just had a fun night last night, and excited to see after this podcast where the day takes me. But we're doing all right. Beautiful Orlando, Florida. Yeah. Jake, we haven't talked to you in a while. What's going on with you before we dive into the episode? Boston's cold right now as you kind of started out the thing. And that's miserable. But I'm not I'm not in grandma's house anymore, so that's pretty cool. You left the attic?

I left the attic. I got, you know, not a twin size bed, so that's cool. But, like, I still got my little pink lamp back there to remember the aesthetic, you know? Never forget. You can never forget where you came from. Our brain un-upgraded. We have an episode to get into. And before we start it all, I just, I mean, I don't know if I'm going out on a limb, but I really feel like this was the best episode of the season.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. This is a top tier episode for the era. Top tier. Yeah, I agree. Hold on. What was that? Did y'all hear that?

Is that an alien? No. Who's at the door, Bryce? Is somebody at the door? Oh! Whoa! Look who's here! Big move!

Genevieve! Jackery! Hold on. I'm still staying on my... I'm sorry. I took a lot of heat. You know, I was told that, you know, you're not supposed to play the game.

You're not supposed to make moves. You're not supposed to target people that wanted you out the game. However, she did it. And she made one of the biggest moves in the new era the next week. Now, will she go on to win the game?

We do not know. But how you play the game is you play to win the game. And the way you're paired may be different for everybody. But Genevieve is playing to win the game. And she's not making big moves just to make them. She's making big moves to put her in a situation where when she gets to the end, there will be no doubt. Because if she makes it to the end, wouldn't you give her that million dollars?

Jackery? Hold on a second. Hold on. Okay, I can respect his thing, James. My whole argument was that when we discussed – Jake, this dates back to Genevieve targeting Saul, which I said in the moment was a bad move. But I also said she's a good enough player that she can still recover

and navigate and potentially get to the end and win. And I think all of those things that I said still hold true, where we saw in the weeks following the Saul boot, Genevieve was in a really bad position that she probably wouldn't have been in had she not made that move. But like we said, she's a good enough player where she's been able to recover and is now back in a potentially good spot. I also think she's still got a big enough target that she's, you know,

I think she's a dark horse to win, but I don't think her odds are looking great necessarily. So, James, I agree with you on the Genevieve, the quality of Genevieve's gameplay, but I maintain that her getting rid of Saul put her game in a whirlwind that it didn't need to be in. So, I'm going to stand

my ground, James. Now, I mean, we can debate the Saul vote. I personally think when someone puts your name down on parchment, you have to remember that because they wanted you out of the game. Saul voted for Genevieve. Did he, didn't he vote for, um, like he voted for.

All right. I think this is the one thing in Jake, back me up, maybe back me up. I think sometimes we're like, you know, someone's down on your side they are not you right so at the end of the day whether it's kind of like if they're doing a split vote if someone's like oh I didn't put your name down well you were going to put the votes on me to send me home like this is like you you have to understand Saul wanted Genevieve out that first vote. She wanted him out. He went out. She made the move. And what I would like to say is, Jack, I'm joking with you, though,

but your mind is really sharp for the game. I would just say this, though. I think the one thing about this, and I'm going to get off after this, is that it's hard to make votes out there. It's hard to create those votes out there. And I think this episode just kind of showed how hard it is to create a vote. We had a secure four. One thing goes wrong and everything goes poof. And tough game, great episode.

Jake, my guy. What's up, James? I just came in firing. I was excited to hop on and talk to you guys. I'll shut it down a little bit now. Hey, I respect it because, respect you because I talk my ish so the more Genevieve recovers, it's a good look

for you so I can respect you getting in here and defending yourself because I wasn't trying to fire shots and not have them come back my way if they're warranted so the position is defending the Solveout where we're on opposite sides of the Solveout from what I understand

yeah I don't know see i i agree that like you always got to keep one eye on someone if they've written your name down but like where there's such a lot i don't know if i agree with the solve vote obviously genevieve's doing great and everyone's got a commender for the mastery of that move the other day um but i i i feel like one of genevieve's problems is she's beaten herself up a lot. I think she's worried. And like, it's been beautiful to watch her and confessional be like, I'm keeping people's at arm's length because I can't deal with that.

And I, I, we've never seen it expressed. So, uh, express so eloquently is when Genevieve is talking about that and vote people out. But I do think that she has the ability to make these really good relationships and make people feel comfortable. I don't think there would have been a toss-up the past couple weeks with her in it.

Like, I think she would be in Final Six, no problem. Like, she would have a much easier time to the final six, have the Saul move not happened. Cause I feel like people are going to go at people. We're always going to go after Gabe and Kyle. And then potentially people are going to go after Saul before her. If she had the better social game, which we've kind of seen to be true. I don't know if I agree with the Saul vote. I'm really interested for Genevieve's exit interviews,

whenever that happens. I mean, we've seen it. It's really interesting. I agree with what you're saying. Yes, he wrote your name down on, what was that, the third tribal at the Asia boat? But it's been a long time, and there's a lot of new people who haven't even had the opportunity to write your name down. I just have a couple of questions.

Between Teeny and Saul, where did Genevieve rank? Between Teeny and Saul? Yes. So at the same time, you know, you're at the bottom with these two people. I was going to say, a wise man has a shoulder to be at the bottom.

I understand with those three people, she's at the bottom. But if I'm on the outside looking in, you're going to go after the head. You're going to go after Tini or Saul. Because, oh, I got a better relationship with Genevieve. You're not viewing her as like, look, she's done great and she's gotten to where she is. But I think defensively for the past three weeks,

she's been more of a target than she's had to be. And I agree. And I agree, but I don't think taking out Saul was the wrong move. I think afterwards targeting Gabe was the kind of miscalculation in the game there, where if she got with the two coups, those five people, you have a majority going in, and then you still have the bigger targets in

front of you. That's where I feel like the slip-up was in the kind of the strategy for Genevieve. However, she recovered beautifully, and, you know, everybody's defined their path forward to the end, and everybody's path forward to the end and everybody's path forward to the end is different each season as the season goes on and let's kudos to andy kudos to sam for these moves and i'll let you get back to it you know i just came in to say you know

love the vibe keep doing your thing jake good to see you looking good over there bryce in the full studio love to see it. Jackery, I feel like you got to get your background game together. I'm at a hotel. I'm at a hotel. Cool beans. Love you guys. Anything else? He's popping on.

Is he leaving us? He is leaving us. He just wanted to pop on to pop off at Jack. He came in hot, too. He came in very hot. I wanted to come to slide like a Stephen A. Smith when he comes into the Cowboys room like that's what I was aiming for but I don't know if

it translated really well but yeah thanks for letting me come in sorry for hijacking you know I feel like you know I hijacked a little bit but I was you know excited and hyped about this episode yeah excited good to see you James we'll see you soon

thanks James good to see you man you know what this vote reminded me of what I gotta say this vote reminded me of and like I saw it

and I don't think I've seen other people talk about it I don't think we've seen as impressive group of people being on the bottom pull something off like that since

the mayor's slam town boot in David vs. Goliath. Wow. Split minority vote there. Like, I think this is one of the most impressive underdog moves that we've seen in a while. Yeah.

Yes. Definitely game-changing. Last episode or last recap that we talked about, I was hoping that something like this would happen so that it wasn't the underdog, big dog majority, just kind of like steamroll off of everything. But there is so much to get into this episode because I feel like, I don't know, Jack, where we want to go, what you trying to do? Because I got a lot to say this episode.

Yeah, I'm pretty down to start wherever. The one thing I wanted to say, Bryce, is we've had this ongoing debate about don't text me on a Wednesday. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey. And you have I think you corrected it. It's not an issue anymore. What I wanted to say is to my whole point of like a mild spoiler was, you know, I saw I'm not on Twitter, but I think I saw like a screenshot of a Gordon Holmes tweet that was like before it was like morning of the episode. Like this, this is the best episode of the new era. And to me, that's exactly kind of what I referenced when I tell you like, don't text me on a Wednesday. Why you look at the tweet? I didn't mean to look at it,

but it was out there like the morning of. And so you see a tweet like that. It's like watching the episode. I know it's not going to be everyone votes for sam you know you kind of know that the crazy plan is going to work and so that's what i mean when someone's like oh this episode is crazy it sets this expectation and this precedent that that something crazy is going to happen so it's like less payoff when it does happen so obviously that's not that's not you. That's at Gordon Holmes. Let's deal with that behavior, bro. That's kind of what I mean with that. I don't want to hear

anything about that. Yeah, well, I mean, you broke your own rule. Jake, so can you help settle this beef real quick? If, you know, I text you often, and if I say, hey, Jake, how you doing today? And I say, oh, it was a good episode last night. Is that a spoiler?

I don't think that's a spoiler, right? Like, I don't think that's a spoiler. Thank you. Because, I mean, you could have said last. Like, I think last week, the Kyle boot, that was probably the most boring episode of the season, in my opinion. Yeah.

Just, like, I just feel like it was expected, right? Like, there was no was expected right like there was no i felt like there was no shock or intrigue there not that people didn't have great moments on the episode i love kyle like it felt so true to his character hugging everyone when he was walking out right but i would still say that's a good episode even though i would definitively say i think that was the worst episode of the season just because like survivor even when it's bad it's good someone's like how was the last episode i'm'm just going to say, oh yeah, it was good. I don't think that's a spoiler. I think that's just something you said.

Say I'm on Eastern Time and you're on Pacific Time and I watch it on Eastern Time and then I text you like, yo, this episode was crazy. And then you go to watch it and you kind of have that in your mind. It's not a spoiler per se, but you'd rather not know that is all I'm saying.

Instead of being a spoiler, it's a sour-er because now you're about to watch the episode and now as you watch it you understand, oh, my man just said it's a crazy episode. I'm watching crazy plans unfold. Alright, something crazy is going to happen.

Exactly. Bryce, you didn't have a plan. I know, I know. I'm just explaining to jake so at this point jake i don't communicate with jack on wednesdays anymore just for that reason however when you said that you were coming on the pod i did text jack and say hey jake's coming jack was like great then i apologize for texting him on a wednesday And do you know what he... You get the whole beef, right? And then do you know what he proceeds to text me? Jack, what'd he say?

He said, I did hear from sources that tonight's episode is insane. Not Jack breaking his own rule and spoiling an episode for me. I could be wrong. Didn't I text that after you had already seen the episode? No, you text that to me at 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time in the middle of the episode. So now my expectations for the episode. Now I feel I'm feeling spoiled.

You know what? Fair enough. Fair enough. Honestly. Yeah. I mean, you guys were towards the end of the episode, but that's that's fair. I should have texted that. yeah. Thank you. Obviously, you're sort of, but you were allowed to text me on a Wednesday. I don't text you. If you have like an emergency,

you're like, I need Jack's help, but I can't text him on a Wednesday. Jack's going to text Bryce on a Wednesday and discover that he's blocked on Wednesday but with that being said it was a great episode an unreal

plan unfolded like Jake said some of the best play from the bottom that we've seen kind of confused how it worked like there's so many factors that could have deterred it from succeeding, but somehow it came together. I think that a huge thing is,

I think if Rachel hadn't won immunity, this plan probably doesn't shake out. Because for Rachel, I don't think this is a bad episode for her because I don't think she really cares that much who goes home here. Because now she has her pretty cut and dry final three

with Sue and Teenie, which she dominate. And she also has an idol and a block of oats. So at final six, as long as she plays her cards right, she'll be pretty smooth sailing. So it doesn't make sense for her to blow any of those advantages at a tribal where she can't go home, in my opinion.

But there's so many layers to this i just want to hear where you guys like what sticks out to you guys i got a question john you said um it only works if rachel wins immunity wasn't there a plan that if she didn't win they would go for her in with the same plan now are you saying that you would have thought that she would have used one of her tools at that point yeah yeah okay and i think she you know she would have been on a little higher alert i think she'd be the one to maybe catch on um who knows though who knows but um i think her winning made it easier also you think about if genevieve or sam had one immunity then there's no ability to split anymore, and the plan's kind of ruined.

So, I think there's a chance both of them intentionally did not want immunity to allow the plan to have some ability to work. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I don't think that's the truth. I think... Being the...

Oh, yeah, no. they're not yeah but also nah nah they hit they're not trying they're not gonna purposely not win that that that's a difficult challenge and you are the two at the very very very very bottom and the two with a lot of eyes on you you're still trying to win it yeah probably yeah off of this cut and dry it seems though it's like well if you win this one then and the other one goes home then you pretty much have to win out well yes but i i cannot i mean i think i heard sam say like it only works because we both lost but i don't think there is any world where sam and genevieve two very strong players are like you know what andy made a plan and so we will lose

we will purposely lose immunity today for it now i just think that i think rachel's that good i think she was that good and won it yeah i think like throwing a challenge like throwing a challenge is so much easier said than done because like when you're there and like, you know, you feel like the pressure on. It's like even if you like what you're saying, it would probably be smart of them to both throw this in a certain sense. Right. But to be there and make the active decision that I'm going to like, I know like the only like there wasn't a throw in my season but i remember like drew and austin at the brandon brando vote was like i don't care if we win but like that to make the active decision is like i'm gonna stand back this one especially when like do you want to look back and be like i could have right put my all into that like i would have a really

tough time like being in the moment and thinking about living with that guilt, but I do agree that one of them went immunity, one of them's going home. Yeah, that was less to say that I think they threw it and more just that if one of them wins, maybe the plan doesn't work out.

It could be in the back of the mind. We also have Sue has her idol. She's thinking about playing it. Does anyone else have an idol other than Caroline? No. I don't think so. And sometimes I wonder if Sue remembered that she even got an idol.

Because she, yeah. But can we talk about Sam and Teenie real quick, right? Because, and let's add Genevieve into it, right? Because Teenie, this episode, very emotional. Right, Teenie put the stage. But it's interesting, right? Because it can relate, you know, in similar situations. But earlier in the episode, we see Teenie and Genevieve talking.

And I think that this is important to keep in mind because at this point, Sam and Genevieve, they stuck together. Glue. Like, we at the bottom, we got to figure something out. Genevieve, also she scares me because Genevieve's like, you know, dog with the tail between her head. And she is piling it on telling everybody listen I'm sorry I you know I'm I'm at the bottom I'm stuck then we get a confessional from her saying like listen if I

need to be a sad puppy right now that's what I'm gonna do I'm like damn Genevieve like I don't know I don't know if I could trust Genevieve I never know anyway her and Tina are talking and they kind of get into this fight a little bit where Genevieve's like, I forget the essence of it, but essentially like, you think you can win against Rachel? Like, you asking me? I'm telling you. And Teenie gets upset at that. However, that conversation for me reveals a lot, right?

Like, it reveals that like, okay, well, you're getting mad at me. We still not working together. So that's one. Two, Sam wins. sam picks genevieve and he picks uh andy teeny is pissed right like rightfully so it's the loved one's letter uh and teeny is pissed but in my opinion i'm like teeny you had that conversation with genevieve right like you're not working with her.

So why would they, they won't explore their options, right? So what's going on here? Now, Sam had me cranking up because Andy fell for the okie doke. Sam kept saying like, I'm a man of my word. I'm going to keep my word. I was thinking about this

at the beginning of the challenge. I'm taking Andy. Bro, you ain't know you was going to win the challenge. You ain't won the challenge all season. So, it's very clear he's wooing Andy over, and mind you, Andy like me fell for, okay?

You get that text at 1.32 a.m. You up? Hey, Jackie. And so, that just was interesting but I also have to say when Teenie was doing her impression of Sam it lowkey was kind of funny though

but I really feel like Teenie losing her cool it's like that's going to be hard to recover from working with everyone else yeah that's tough and be a hard to recover from working with everyone else yeah yeah that's tough and i feel i feel for i feel for them right because like especially like with teeny like seeing them talk about certain situations like in the game like i felt like i when i was playing

like i got the rug pulled out for me a couple times you know you're made to feel stupid you know not not that anyone's doing it intentionally right but when you're blindsided it's like damn how did i not see that you know and that's happened to teeny a few times and like i understand jennifer's done that a few times to her like for jennifer's game nothing you know personal but you do feel dumb you know it makes it i think and teeny's probably feeling this to a certain extent like when things were happening like that to me i'm like shit it's bringing you back to high school being like, oh, yeah, you're stupid or whatever. And so, like, that anger, like, I completely get that. Like, Drew and I got in a fight because I'm like, dude, I'm not going to feel stupid about this.

Like, get away from me. You know what I mean? And it's not that I don't love Drew. Like, Drew's a great guy and he's a good friend. But I understand. I understand where Teenie's coming from in that, you know, because in a certain sense to get to the end of Survivor and then win, someone has to say this person dominated these other two people who are sitting there next to them. Right. And when you feel that slipping away from you, that that's infuriating. That's infuriating. You know, that's going to bring up that's going to bring up some certain emotions and i appreciate how raw teeny is but yeah that is gonna be a difficult recovery because it's easy

to you know someone gets mad or upset it's easy to be like oh they're angry they're losing their minds you know right and i also feel like we know this andy move that happens uh and it's a huge move right like you know who would just want to go with this five and railroad everyone else? Like, if you could make this move, this could be a million dollar move. I feel like what Andy just did. And a part of me also feels like maybe some of Teenie's anger

is that like, shoot, I should have been the one to work with these two to make a move like that. Well, she was angry after the challenge right yeah so and and i a lot of the anger just seemed like you know it's the same reason why we're like yo why is sam a threat because sam is a handsome strong charismatic guy out there right now. It's like he hasn't he's he's been outside of a lot.

He's been on the bottom of a lot like his mere existence out there is why he's a threat. And it seemed like we heard Teenie kind of saying that like this, this all-American quarterback, whatever. It just seemed like Teen teeny was just upset at this person and granted he didn't bring teeny with him but i don't know i just feel like but also teeny has been trying to do like an all-women's alliance for a long time yeah and i don't think that has ever gotten much traction, despite them then going back and saying, oh, we're going to do this. I don't know. I just feel like they went off on this guy, Sam,

for more things than just Sam not bringing them on this reward. Definitely. I think there was a lot of pent-up frustration. I mean, Teenie's game has been really up and down, I think there was a lot of pent-up frustration. I mean, Teenie's game has been really up and down, never finding themselves, like, really in the driver's seat quite, I would say.

And then something like this happens, easy to crash out a little bit. Probably reminds – I don't want to psychoanalyze, but I'm sure maybe it seems like Teenie might have had, you know, issues with the jock in high school, right? And we've seen it with other people this season, reminiscing on those high school feelings. If you're out there and emotions are raw, like things with memories like that can come up.

But I mean, I did think it was not a good look for Teenie. I still am a Teenie fan for sure. I mean, people coming with too much vitriol for Teenie online. It wasn't great, but it's like, that's, it's human, you know, it wasn't super malicious. But I that's it's it's human you know it wasn't um super malicious but i also thought with the genevieve thing it just started the episode off on a crazy foot just being like so you're saying if i was at the end with rachel like you might not vote for me and genevieve was like that's correct and then she's like is that a threat you know it's like no genevieve just answered your question what do you mean like and they're just being honest with you. So I can relate to teeny in that moment though.

Right? So if you got friction, if I'm in a fight with Wendell and I'm like, we're fighting and I'm like, well, Wendell, what time are you picking me up? What time are you picking me up?

I'm not. What time is you picking me up? Just give me a time. 6 p.m. Oh, so 6 p.m worked for you you ain't even asked me you know what i mean like i like i see where it's like i can relate to tina in that moment where it's just like any answer that you give but i also was cracking up with tina was like, did you just threaten me? Like, what's up? Like, you know what?

There was a point on Ghost Island when Donathan, I think, did that to me. He was like, yo, if you're sitting at the end with Dom, I'm voting for him. And I was like,

he ended up voting for me. That's what sucks. But he did hit me with that i was like i didn't know how to take it and it was funny that genevieve immediately following that up with like teeny sometimes you really weaponize your emotions it's kind of like i wish we saw a little bit more of the fallout because it kind of just cuts the TV. I love, I feel like, I was talking to someone the other day, yesterday, the flexibility. I really feel like in the new era, you have to be flexible.

I really feel like this plan, what was it? Operation Olive Garden. Operation Olive Garden. With Sam and Andy, right? Like, I feel like Andy was wooed over. Like,

Sam was like, hey, bro, what's up? Haven't seen you in a while. And he's like, oh, I love this. I'm back in the good graces. And I really feel like it's them both being super flexible, right? Like, to make this happen. And I feel like in this new era, you have to be flexible.

And so Andy coming up with this mastermind game, I love the way Andy narrates, right? Like he just sounds like this super smart kid that if I was in 7th grade, I would absolutely be cheating off of his math test. But like the way the plan itself is like, okay, it could work. But the way Andy then describes it,

I'm like, is this going to be too complicated like i'm nervous that it's not going to work and then they're like we're gonna have to stay up all night and work on it and you just see like the clips of them up at night but i love the fact that andy recognizes last week genevieve was like why are we bringing people like andy around he's taking up seats to this week where I really think that that might have resonated with Andy. And Andy's like, you know what? We only got a week left.

I need to let people know who Andy is. And perfect storm because whoo! This could be a million dollar loss or a million dollar gain. I really think that Andy in this situation and me personally, this could have won the game or it could have lost in the game.

However, I think that this is probably the biggest move of this season. And whether he wins or not, he will go down like you will. You think of Jesse and Jesse season. I really think you're going to think of Andy with this season. And I think that like the risk was greater than the reward or the reward was. Yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's where he was at in that alliance of five. It was not looking like he was, he was kind of on the bottom and he kind of didn't have the strongest resume

compared to like a Caroline or a Rachel. So, you know, this move, i don't know how it's going to shake out there's a chance and he goes next but i like him taking the big swing because it puts him in a position where he kind of takes the the ball on his court and now he's able to kind of mold his his path to the end and maybe get a win as opposed to maybe he goes farther but has less of a chance so i got a question you're saying like um there's a chance he goes next i'm trying to put andy as far as like the threats that are remaining i'm trying to figure out where to put him after this big move so like before before this move i don't think they were looking at him as a threat and i think caroline's exit press there was some stuff that

she said that made me really think that i think i think what she said with um on um on our hat was essentially you know what we kind of wanted andy to to take to lay out the numbers we went with him because we understood that he needed something. So, like, if people there are looking at him like, you know what, he's not the biggest threat or the biggest whatever threat, after a move like this, now I'm wondering, where is Sam? Where's Genevieve? Where's Rachel even compared to an Andy?

So that, you know, next they andy might have just made this huge move but they might still be like now we need rachel first or we need i don't think that go ahead i think my opinion after this episode right andy just kind of like bold he broke the house down right they had a house is broken down And I think him swinging over to the other side, I think that there will be other people, i.e. Teenie, maybe even Sue, that are like, wait a minute, maybe the biggest threats wasn't really Genevieve and Sam

with Rachel winning this immunity, second immunity in a row. I think that people are going to be like, is Rachel? I think the pendulum is about to swing, and I think that they're going to get momentum on the other side, and I think it's going to be like they're going to target a Rachel and potentially have Andy as the next person to get. But I definitely think that the underdog big dogs

are rethinking the threat levels. I kind of think that Rachel, teeny and Sue is still going to be a really solid block. Rachel didn't really do anything this episode to change teeny or Sue's perception of her. I feel like, right. Rachel was out of the vote.

I mean, one immunity, but so out of the vote, Andy, I think, and now that three, they have a block of vote. They have two idols. They can make a pretty straightforward final six vote. But it's a good question, like, who would the target be?

I still think they go for Sam and Genevieve, just because they have this preconceived notion of them being threats. And obviously, Teenie's not a big Sam or Genevieve enthusiast at this point um uh but i do think that andy i think he's gonna be able to weasel his way to like four and then maybe get into that final three um because i still think sam and jen because now it's like

if sam or jenny get to the end they're sort of like they sort of spoken into existence that they're threats even though i mean sam for instance in terms of threats like in my mind like i think you know you can argue like a rachel versus genevieve but i think rachel and genevieve are tier one yeah sam and andy are probably tier two and then you know teeny and sue have a long uphill battle to win this thing at this point and i think honestly i i was so happy for andy this week just like how rough he is i felt like he's had such like uh you know my own journey or like owen journey of just like and we saw it last week killed me like when genevieve said um oh yeah everyone's just saving space for andy and andy and sue and so it's like oh damn they're still

looking at him that way and that was like really And so it's like, oh, damn, they're still looking at him that way. And that was really disappointing because it seems like even ever since episode one, he just couldn't get this stink off of him. And then to see the jury, yo, that was Andy. That was like, I felt so happy for him because I don't think if he goes with that five and we

saw it today with, oh, we're going to do the girls thing and we can have our four. He was going to go with five. And even if he wins an immunity, they're probably looking to take him out at four anyway. Or is it the end as it goes? He needed this to... What? No, go ahead. Sorry.

I was just... He needed this to put him... If he was going to win, he needed this. So regardless if it works out or not, he needed this to win. Yeah, if he stays with the girls, he might have went father. He might go father. He might have a stronger likelihood of going father. But this absolutely – he needed to make this move.

My concern, though, is that – Because he doesn't want to go to the end and get zero votes. No one wants to go to the end and lose. And he recognizes that. And honestly the the the catharsis of watching him was awesome because i'm like damn like i i hope he's in it i hope he's in it now and we're gonna have to see like what other people say about this after but i think you know instead of being in that tier three i think andy's definitely in that tier two the thing that scared

me though with that when you brought up the jury, they didn't say it was Andy. They said Andy flipped again. Yeah. Right. I was like, oh, that like and when for me, I read is like the mother ever flipped on me. And now. Right. Like, like, yeah.

The way I don't know if it was Gabe or Saul. Yeah. I was going to say the same thing and he's making great moves but I don't think the jury really just has that much respect for him, so I'm worried he's going to get to the end with a great resume there's still that threat

but if he didn't do that this vote whatever his odds were if his odds before this were like 5% at least he raises to 15 is that great? No. But I think that definitely raises his odds doing this. If he can look Caroline on the jury and be like, were you really going to take me? I mean, she could lie, but is she really going to take him?

So it's like he's doing what he has to do. But the jury, they look like, man, this snake is flipping all over the place. But if Andy's sitting at the end and we've seen Andy get in these confessionals and lay a plan out or sometimes Monday morning quarterback or whatever. But we've seen him get in there, be very lucid and clear with with a plan. If my man could get if Bryce's man can get to the end and lay it out hey I had to flip here and that's why you're sitting there I'm sorry hey I know you weren't gonna take me here that's why I'm sorry hey uh you were closer with Sam I had to take you out here like if he lays all this out there is a world where Andy gets votes at the end gets the respect votes at the end, gets the respect votes at the end. Yeah. Maybe not the win, but the respect votes.

I think you can't say that, like, I think a difficulty of getting a final travel, you can't say that you did something for your resume. I think people, and I might be wrong, but I think juries hate that argument. Oh, I just did this for resume. That can't be the excuse. It's got to be for position, not resume. Your position is the resume not vice versa you know right so i think you know yeah i agree sorry last night's move was a big resume move but it was like hey i was at the bottom of this five i just flipped got rid of one of them now it's three three

that's a that's a smart game move not just a resume booster and all of his vote outs have been like flipping back and forth but with with not for a resume but with uh with logics behind it yeah yeah the only the thing that scares me with andy now right is because i really feel like teeny will go with the numbers i feel like andy could get teeny and it'd be teeny genevieve and sam the thing that now scares me because I'm listen I'm pissed they got my girl Caroline out right who is Caroline most closest to Sue who has an idol Sue if Sue now transfers that mother-daughter love to Rachel then they would have two idols they would have a block of mock like you know what i mean like i really feel like now sue is going to

like bend the knee to rachel and no one knows about like i feel like they it's about to it's about to get spooky yeah right remember how angry she was at kyle because kyle said gays and so so here's the thing in sue's case this other this side is loaded i will bet good money that one of the three that just played this big move is going home the next episode like i agree because they're so they got not only is it three three right now whatever even if they flip teeny whatever three three two idols block a vote and rachel is good at winning these challenges. Like they are going to find a way with all of their artillery to, to fight back what we just saw. I think the next two votes will be one of the two.

Yeah. However, I was saying this last week, but we always put the emphasis on, obviously in Survivor, there's only one winner, right? However,

I feel like we don't put enough emphasis on people's placement, right? Like, so regardless of whoever gets sniped next week, if it's Rachel, if it's Genevieve, if it's Sam, right? Like, they extended their life way beyond than what we expected. And so that is much, like, you know what I'm saying? Just respect.

And the big value, too, is that inevitably one of them will be at the Final Four and will have a chance to make fire and will have the chance to make it to the Final Three, which if they didn't make a move like that, it's not guaranteed because then there's a good chance there's a Rachel Sue Caroline

Final Three or something like that, where at least Andy now, like you said, they might go home in this window but at least the one of them that get to that four potentially will have a fighting chance so uh you go from maybe dead in the water to you know a glimmer of hope so i i do think too is that if you know we got to stop decide with all the advantages i i think depending on who wins immunity i think any of those three win immunity. I don't think, I think this is good for Andy

because I don't, do you go after Andy there? I don't think so. I don't think so. Well, I feel like Sue going to want to go after Andy. Like, I feel like Sue is. Sue may be going after Andy. Oh, yeah. She may be going after Andy.

So in that case, if she's the one vote for Andy, now numbers can be yeah i think it's a testament to show of like how much i guess your personality and how people perceive it affects your your respect because like yeah you know sam is probably still going to be a bigger target than andy and andy in a sense has really been running the show a little bit in terms of the moves sam i think by his own admission hasn't had a lot of footing after the merge. But because Sam has so much charisma and people view Andy as kind of a rat, like Sam is still a bigger threat than Andy. So it's kind of like you just got to make sure people respect you as sort of first and foremost for a chance to win.

Because Andy's doing everything right. And he might get to the end doing everything right right still lose because people just don't view him as a winner I suppose. Question if either Genevieve and Sam are at the end doesn't matter the operation

or whoever they're sitting next to can they claim this move as theirs? Somewhat I think so yeah they can claim it because I think people have been Can they claim this move as theirs? Somewhat. I think so. Yeah, they can claim it. Because I think people have been... Sorry.

No, I just want him to clarify. If Andy is not sitting there also, it's just... Or I guess my question might be like, this was Andy's move. Do you get the sense that, say, Andy was at the end and described this move, right? We saw how the jury received it. I don't think they would like it,

but have Genevieve or Sam say their part in it. I think people might be like, no, no. So is Andy just damned if he does damned if you don't somewhat, not, not fully, but like potentially people don't, I don't think the jury wants to root for andy and so he's and i think he's got that certain self-awareness of like he needs to improve his position he needs to gain some respect he's trying to do that it might be too little too late but at least he's like going for it um but yeah it might just be the thing where it's like oh he makes all

these great moves and then the jury's gonna think what they want to think so if they're like we haven't respected andy from day one because of that breakdown like all your all your big moves which were great moves are like just you being a weasel and like scurrying around but if if sam were to do all those moves they'd be be like, hell of a game, Sam. It's because of how he started. And that's a shame because like, like, man, he started about as bad as you can. But he has been weaseling and maneuvering and, you know, wheeling and dealing his way to get to where he is. And that was a huge move and a great idea that they executed perfectly i mean the stars aligned for it but man for you to fall so hard on your face episode one and for them to

be so like that's how they view you and that is clearly how they've continued to view him all the way up to this point i hope i hope for his sake that like whether it's him convincing them or what like i hope they start giving him some credit and even in my case like i've been looking at him some type of way all season because of how he started and bryce has been riding for him all season but like i i gotta respect that move big time yeah what it was like he Like y'all said, he dropped a bomb. He dropped a bomb. He took it from a 5-2 to a 3-3. He got rid of Sue's number one. That could have been

the tightest group. You gonna put some respect on Caroline's name. She wasn't just Sue's number one. In my opinion, because let's talk about it, why didn't they target Sue? Why didn't they target a Cheney? Why didn't they target a Caroline?

Caroline was playing a great game. I'm not putting disrespect on her name. Oh, okay. Split them up, yeah. Oh, all right. Say Caroline could have been the winner, not Sue's right hand man.

Why are you getting so hype at me? Because I'm just saying Say Caroline could have been the winner, not Sue's right hand man. We don't know. Why are you getting so hype at me? Because I'm just saying, I feel like them sending Caroline home, in my opinion, is letting us know her threat level and the potential of

if she were to get at the end, sweet old Caroline could talk some talk and depending on who she's sitting next to that's all i hear yeah i think but can i can i throw i i think i know like a great argument for andy i don't know if you can get the respect but if i'm andy right and the view is i'm a flipper right if i'm andy and this is for lack of a better analogy, I'm going to make this not political, but use the political lens. If Andy's going to go to another alliance and just be automatically on the bottom, just based how they viewed him. Why doesn't he keep flipping and knock off the eggs? Like, let's say you're an independent running for president and like we're in the game of Survivor.

I don't know. This is a terrible analogy, but see if you get like if I go take out Donald Trump and then I turn to the other side, take out Kamala Harris, then I go J.D. Vance and then I go Tim Wallace and you end up with the dude in the middle. No one was going to accept him at the top and give him the respect for that. So what do you got to do? You got to make your own thing in the middle. I feel like if he whittles it down and be like, this is all I could do, given my position. whittles it down and be like, this is all I could do given my position. I feel like he has a strategic argument. It's just like, can he get the respect? It's just so, so, so difficult. I also wonder, the other side that he's with now, they'll be like, you weren't at the bottom.

I feel like they would spit that back at him. They're like, you weren't at the bottom. You were leading us. And then he'll say, hey, jurors, you know exactly where I was everyone everyone on this island knew where i was i think jake i think that's a good point like if he sits there and says look this is what i had to do i saw people over there leading stuff i had to jump over here to get this one jump over there give this one to where like do y'all see me now type of thing

yeah yeah he's very self-aware of his position and knows somewhat how he's perceived and what he has to do. It's just going to boil down. Like you said, that argument's great. He's in this bad position, so his move is just go all out and attack, which is what he's been doing. Can he beat

Suwantini? If he can get to the end with Suwantini. Yeah, I think so. That's the ideal combo. If he can take out rachel like fire then i think he's got a i think the jury would begrudgingly have to vote for andy like i i think i don't think they really like or respect andy like that people want to vote for the person they like really see as the winner andy i think it would be like, okay, well, Teenie was kind of a mess. Like, just all over the place strategically. Sue was kind of in the passenger

seat. And they'd be like, at least Andy was like going and cooking stuff up. And like, maybe he was kind of all over the place from their view, but he was going for it. And like, I would give my vote to Andy there. I would need Andy to be at the final. And I would need like to be at the final, and I would need him almost,

not yelling at the jury, but him almost like, I would need a rough and tough Andy. Like, yo, I saw how y'all was looking at me. When I said I need it all, y'all thought I needed it all. But where am I at now? When I took out, you know what I mean?

I would want him to, like, talk his ish because, like, I feel like that's the only way that they're going to respect him. Because I feel like if he just says, like, what he says,

like, regular Andy, they're going to be like, ugh. I think he'd turn up. He just would have to make sure he's not coming out because he's, like, too, too cocky.

But I think in that final three, because Teenie would probably be like, um, like, Genevieve was threatening me and Sam didn't bring me on the reward. What are you talking about? Sue would be like, I got Kyle out. And I would be like, cool. Listen,

as long as you want him out, I mean, they might respect that. Imagine this arc, Andy getting upset that they clapped for someone else and not him for opening a coconut. And now he gets the end, wins the game, and has them all clapping for him as the winner. That'd be cool. Yeah, I do think he does need to, like,

there's definitely thread in the needle there. You can't come off and be like, I kicked everyone's ass, but, like, guys, I needed to do what I needed to do. i did have to take you out you were a problem for me and like just be if he can be a little assertive because like he doesn't come across that way when he's talking to people but i think he does need a if he gets to final travel he needs to command a little bit more attention you know like throwing the needles are great because he also needs to come super humble in a way because like yeah you see him on the jury combo great because he also needs to come super humble in a way. Because, like, we've seen him talking to the jury

being like, I lied to all their faces and now they're gone and they're all sort of like, get out of here. But you need to, like, you need to represent that

but also be like, like, I'm just, I'm chill. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.

Because I'm worried he's going to be like, I was the mastermind and then not gonna like that yeah you're like uh whomever gave i i had to flip to get you out you were becoming a problem you weren't giving me the respect in the game and then like you were becoming a block for the things i want to do or insert whomever here you know not a mastermind but doing what you got to do and he's like hey i feel strongly about this so what we've seen from him too it's like he really could go either way i think like he has

that in his bag but he also could just pull up and just start talking a lot of ish and just yeah yeah i will say like it's tough to do because like you know you're you're you're also like i don't know when you're preparing when you're preparing for final travel you're ready for people to you're ready to make your point when you try to be ready to make't know when you're preparing, when you're preparing for final travel, you're ready for people to, you're ready to make your point when you try to be ready to make your point, but you're also like thinking about, oh, what are people going to come in negative? You also prepare for the negativity as well that could potentially

come your way. So it's because if he can like put that and compartmentalize that and still be assertive over on top of that, I think he can do it. It's in that combo. Can we talk about something that's been wracking my mind for the last three episodes?

And this episode, I have believed, I figured out. Are you talking about Sue's face? No, go ahead. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell be on Sue's face every episode, right? But at this point I am convinced she is using a mud foundation and contouring

because it look, it make her look a little younger. So like, you know, like it kind of defines her face a little bit. And at this point, I am sure that she is getting a little mud and contouring her face. I think that's...

Because also, we saw her hilariously be like, Caroline, you got some dirt on your face. She's got to be aware of that. Like, if you're going to point it out on someone else, like, maybe she's aware, like, oh, well, mine is... This is Fenty. You know, I'm being honest with you. I heard, no, Caroline explained that, too.

She said that Sue did a lot of tending to the fire and would get a lot of, like, charcoal on her face. And they would tell her about it. And she got to the point where, like, she was getting a lot of it off, but still. That's just what it was yeah the thing I'm with this move a couple things we haven't talked about I'm still kind of confused how it works out I think

there was a lot of complacency from I mean teeny friends the two things are, A, I guess they don't view Andy with a lot of respect where maybe they think he's going to make this move. But him pushing, he was pushing really hard to split this vote.

To me, that's a red flag, for sure. The other thing is, and I guess we understand, from Caroline's perspective, she wanted to give Andy some room to work, to feel good about himself. I can respect understand, you know, from Caroline's perspective, she wanted to give Andy some, some room to work, to feel good about himself. Like I can respect that, but you know, I guess Rachel might've been the one who could put a stop to it and she

probably just didn't really care because she's in a good spot. But then also, so that was weird to me. Like if you think about, if I'm sitting in that five, I'm thinking about how could, how could this go wrong it would be Andy moves and shakes and what would he have to do to do that he does to split the vote him being the majority and flip and then when he's like hey I think

we should split the vote and I should be in the majority I'd be like alright something's up that's what Andy needs to say at the end like that's something that he needs to talk about like that's something that he needs to talk about like that's something that he needs to I split the vote I just I don't really know how it worked

but props to Andy the other thing that confused me and there's a lot of the other thing is when Genevieve told Teenie about this fake idol and they just put Teenie in the blender there's some layers to it so I don't really know but ultimately I think Teenie like Teenie

you've openly been kind of against these two why would you be the one that they tell and then be like just keep the votes on me like you have to know

that that's suspicious like what right but this is why I love Teenie though because again Teenie reminds me of me because although

she might be mad at Genevieve although she might although Genevieve might have threatened her what does Teenie say she gonna pull up right Teenie reminds me of me because although she might be mad at Genevieve, although she might, although Genevieve might have threatened her. What is she going to pull up? Right. Teenie said, play the idol. They come up to you, play the idol and hugs her.

It's like Teenie is a lover at the end of the day. Like no matter what goes back and forth for her and Genevieve, like she still is rooting for her. And I think that that is what makes Teenie so upset when she gets played is because it's like, me with men, time and time again, I believe what they say and all of this. And then I'm just left by myself. So it's like, I physically can see what Teenie is going through because it's like-

I don't know if that came from a place of love though. That seemed like her trying to flush the idol out. I mean, yeah. But also, I felt like it was kind of like, you're trusting me with this. They're coming for you. Play it. But also, knowing that Sam is the other target.

Well, right. She wanted Sam. She wanted Sam the whole time anyway. So she's like, yeah, play that. Also, if T&E has an issue with anybody this episode, if I'm T i'm teeny it would be the fn producers because i like the the amount of gold that teeny was given to producers and you can know that her deuces was probably just like chiming it up to teeny's like he the death of kiss she got the idol he's going home. Yes.

Oh, how was, you want me to say it again? Ha ha ha. Your last supper. Oh, say it different. Oh, Sam, your last supper. Give it a little more emphasis, Teeny.

Your last supper, Tim. See you later. Like, the way that they was coaching Teeny up. If Teeny is mad at anybody, it's F them is f them producers teeny because they set her up like oh because she was giving them gold like gold and i also like go ahead i feel like i heard i feel like we got a soundbite a scary soundbite from some from caroline also Where she was like, I see the end, like,

I'm in a good spot. We got a lot of kiss of deaths from Caroline this episode too. Also, let's give Sue her credit because although Sue might be in the passenger seat of what y'all say, she, if this is a

13-hour drive, Sue is that passenger that is staying up. She is alert. She's watching out because the second she thought it might have been Caroline, Sue was like, I'll play my idol for you. If I get a whiff of it, I don't care what nobody say. I love Sue's

loyalty. I don't think It's like Sue was in the passenger Sue's, no, I don't think. It's loyal. It's like, it's like Sue was in the passenger seat. It was like, if I see any,

any, any accidents, I'll let you, I'll keep my eyes. And she's like looking at Caroline and then that, the accident is right in front of them and they just smack into it.

She's like, if I see it, I'll tell you. It's like, you know, she would let you know, but she's just not really, her 45-year-old eyes are so keen these days.

It's how reflexes. I might in a way. I think Sue's a really interesting person, right? Because, like, I mean, we haven't been shown, like, a lot of stuff shown that Sue could potentially win. But, like, I'm watching Sue and I'm like, if Sue was on Reba and season 45 is Survivor,

Sue would be fine. She would be in a great position. We'd be talking about how she's doing. It's just unfortunate because I see her game in this season. I don't think it's working for the people who are currently there. Yeah. Go ahead.

I was going to say say is there a world where who casted the final vote for you to win a million dollars laurel is there a world where like she's giving me laurel energy and a little bit of like there are plenty of times laurel could have made moves to turn on people. I'm just saying like it. Tsunami is loyal and that's a good trait. And I, I just respect Sue a lot. And.

Yes. Yeah. There's gotta be enough people on the beach that like value that as well. When less people value that it's not as going to, it's going to be not as useful. I think in another season, Sue's a lot more effective than we've seen on Survivor 47. I just don't think it's

clicking with this group of people, unfortunately. One thing I wanted to make note of is right at the end, after the vote, when this acting is like chef's kiss, and you have sam look over at genevieve like genevieve play it play it and she's like no i'm good and you got people looking at them like oh we gonna flush this idol we gonna split this vote because if they're not acting right then

then you know the others could pull out of idle thinking something fishy's going on but this act is extending to right before jeff reads the books he's like play it play it she's like no i think we're good and then you start watching it all happen i'm like yo this was a plan perfectly executed to like she said the last minute. Yeah. Do they all still think that Genevieve's holding on to an idol going into next week? There's never been a more effective fake idol, has there? That's something, because like I said, the other side has all this artillery,

but now she has an idol too. She's going to flush everything, just hopefully not herself. If one of those people win immunity. Oh. Yo! That could be crazy. That would be crazy.

Could we get it, bitch? Get it? Like, get it next week? That would be something. I mean, it's finale part one. Do we think one person or two people are going home next week? I think two. I think two.

Because it's two hours. Wow. Shout out to Caroline. Caroline is a great player. And, like, we got the chance to meet her a few times. Caroline is dope. She was a great player, and we got the chance to meet her a few times. Caroline is dope. She was a different player, and I think she was hanging in a position where she was in striking distance.

This could have been her game. Yeah. Yeah, she never got a ton of screen time necessarily or made any huge moves, but I think everybody watching knew she was a really solid player and also seemed like a great person like a great ally in so um just the victim of a crazy vote and without that i mean great chance caroline you know takes it all the way i think so i i think caroline's an interesting person too because you know after after survivor strikes uh tv gold they'll say with someone on tv right like you know there were a million uh russell and tony knockoffs right like not saying caroline or people are knockoffs but like you know what i mean they try to like recreate what they got

like carolyn like you could point to like a kendra or a Kenzie trying to like get that magic Carolyn back. I think the intention with Caroline specifically was to try to recapture some of the magic of Emily, right? Like there was definitely like in the early preseason interview, I was like, Oh, this, they're trying to, you know what I mean? They're just trying to really play. Cause Emily's a great player. Caroline is clearly a great player. And it's been fun to see the differences in their games. And like, you know, I've really enjoyed watching the differences between them, where I think maybe casting's intention was to do a similar thing.

Does that make sense? Do you guys like to see that? No, a thousand percent. It's so cool to watch Caroline this season. I think she played such an amazing game I think for her the game move may have happened one week too early but I appreciate what she was trying to do this week

in terms of placating Andy unfortunately it didn't work out and if I have to get voted out I wanted to be by the biggest blind side of the season. If I gotta go, take me out like that. In a season of blind

sides, that was the biggest. I don't normally watch the trailer for next week, but the trailer for next week looks absolutely insane. And the fact that we have this Genevieve racial battle of the the the lady sheroes. Right. Like it's like you got the different versions of like who can actually like.

I love it. I and I've said this last week, I think so many times in Survivor, we get these macho men. Oh, it's Jeremy Collins versus Dominic Abate. It's like these big guys. And I love the fact that we have these ladies, like these sheroes going to battle it out. I don't know about Netflix. I don't want to know Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. I want to see the Rachel and Genevieve showdown.

Sign me up. I'm here for it because, ooh, it's just so great. Yeah. I'm curious what they're going to do with this finale, this two-hour finale part one, too. It's basically just the penultimate episode but it's a little bit longer might be a couple votes in there so it's gonna set the tempo for hopefully a fun end of the season does it feel like i don't know like i feel like rachel's not going home next week

because of the idol right i i feel like the earliest we will see rachel go is at four agree you know i just don't i don't like She's just been so impressive. Even with her getting blindsided this week, we're all still kind of like, she's all right. Didn't go her way at all, but she's fine. That's how I feel. Here's another thing that we didn't

talk about. The challenge. First of all, did y'all see Sam with them balls? First of all, Sam with them two balls under that net, he was saying, like, he killed it. But, here's the thing that I want to talk about Rachel. Yeah, because he was...

Okay, Bryce. Okay. Okay. Okay, sorry. Okay, Sam. Okay, talk about... Okay, sorry. Sorry. Listen. Y'all want to know why Sam's a threat? Okay. Because I got some mel Sorry. Listen, y'all want to know why Sam's a threat? Okay. Because I got some melons. Anyway, can we talk about the effortless or effortlessly?

What's the word? Effortlessly, right? Yes. Rachel made that challenge effortlessly. I didn't see her sweat. I didn't see. I was like, oh, let me find out Rachel's been holding back that she's a beast

in these challenges. It was so easy for her to do that. I could see Rachel going on an immunity win. Just the way that she cooked everybody was kind of crazy. Yeah. There's three challenges left.

I could see Rachel winning two and playing her idol for a different one you know what i mean like yeah yeah i don't think she's going out to fight like i i i think if rachel can win in five i think she's in the final three i don't see how it changed i don't see i don't see anything stopping her i can see jenny g messing around and winning when she needs to next week. I can see Genevieve stepping up, whatever this next vote is, because like you said, we're probably going to get two votes. I can see her

stepping up and winning. I want to see these women, like, it is like a heavyweight bout right now. Yeah. If I had to predict predict i think it's gonna be sam at six genevieve at five yeah i think i think we might see rachel and andy in the final three just the way that they built them up and i want to see andy i think rachel wins that right i but i want to see andy have to pitch that

case maybe he gets a vote or two out of like a sam um so then at four i mean it comes on a fire and you know you never know who's gonna be in the fire i would maybe imagine if i i'd say maybe teeny or is teeny or sue i think both could could go i, but we just heard Sue's kind of tends to the fire, right? So, we haven't seen it. We don't really know who's going to fire and who isn't, but just to call my shot, I'm going to say Teeny at four.

I feel like bookends, you know what I mean? We got that scene in episode one of Rachel and Andy, to go off your point, Jack, Rachel and Andy being like, it would be such an interesting bookend if that's who's going up against each other in Final Rock. Yeah. I say it because of the edit we've gotten from Andy.

What I've been saying to people for weeks is, I think we're getting shown these brighter moments of Andy's throughout the season. Now, granted, last episode was a tremendous moment for him, but I think they've been building him up all season, despite what like boots on the ground truly thinks of him. Like I do. I did think that people thought of him as this, you know, silly, whatever.

And I think they have been boosting him up because we will see him in the final. And I think, I think like Jack said, I think we're getting Rachel and I think we're getting andy i could see rachel taking it but i could see a world where andy finds a couple votes agree but yeah they've also been sort of they've been building andy up we've been getting a lot of andy but there's not to get too into like edit stuff but a lot of it's positive a lot of it's a little negative right like he makes this great move, and then we see the jury being like, we see that we see the jury, right after the best move of the season, the jury's like, Andy's flipping

again. But I will say, the new era is full of complex winners. Like, it's not like, look at Gabler, look at, you know, Marianne. Like, Marianne, you know, she got some stuff, oh, and Marianne's like this or that, but she's a dominant player. Or like, Marianne, you know, she got some stuff. Oh, and Marianne's like this or that.

But she's a dominant player. True. Or like, game winner. You know what I mean? And she won it in the final speech. And she won it at the final jury. Like, hey, Andy, win it in the final speech. Sure.

I mean, an Andy winning would be, I mean, maybe the craziest arc of any winner. Right? So, I'm definitely here for it. It would just throw my mind in a blunder, but it would be just a crazy storyline throughout the season. But we shall see. Rachel's definitely in a great spot.

The last thing I'm going to say is I believe Sue is going to play her idol for Rachel at some point in time. She's going to get a red carpet and define a tribal. Hey, walk right this way. It's day 23. Yep, go past, go to day 26.

Because this is what I'm saying. Who is, no one's targeting Sue, right? Like, again, I just feel like Sue is that motherly, she wants to protect. She tried it with Gabe, her last daughter, Caroline, and now all she has is Rachel, her stepdaughter, right? I really just feel like, I feel like Sue is going to lay her life on the line

and bequeath an idol to Rachel. I'm calling it. I like that call, Bryce. I like that call. That would be awesome. I hope that would be so cool if that happens Jake and Jack I'm going to text y'all Thursday morning that I was right

because you know I'm not going to text you on Wednesday I don't care that's Jack's thing thank you Jake so I also think interesting to that call out Bryce is Rachel's got a lot of moves on her resume right now that have kind of gone gone unseen so far like playing her shot in the dark with her idol in her pocket for example um I wonder if there's a world where Sue plays her idol for

Rachel before Rachel even needs to play her own idol like maybe maybe Sue at six is like I'm gonna play my idol for you Rachel plays it for Rachel Rachel gets to play her own at final five. Probably. And that's another thing. It's like, oh, she could be like, oh, I just found this idol. I'm going to play at five. Keep everybody cool. Then you get to final tribal council.

Oh, I had this the whole time, but Sue wanted to play hers for me too. So I just think Rachel's got a bunch of those little moves that it's such good new era survivor because nobody knows about it. It's those things you can get to the final tribal council. No one knows about it. You drop a bomb, kind of like what Dee did, you know, during 45. Yeah, it's really, it's just good. It's good gameplay.

So hopefully, Rachel, it would be, I think that's a great call just from the trajectory of the game, right? But also would add so much flavor to the win. Yeah. And it's just like, I love the way Rachel has managed her threat level this whole game. And it's like she's just constantly been working from her backs against the wall, even in situations where it's not. She still has that drive and keeping herself low. And I think that that's something that a lot of the new winners in this season do. So it's like, potentially, could she be somebody?

But again, I want Rachel to win, but I want the Andy arc. If Andy, like, I'm calling it now. If Andy wins, I will get a tattoo on my left butt that says Andy because, like, I, like... That's some Toy Story shit.

Yeah, like... I'm gonna get a tattoo of yours, Bryce. You will go with me, Wendell. I will. But that's how excited I would be for Andy. Because it's just like, whoo! Would you Wendell. I will. But that's how excited I would be for Andy. Because it's just like, whoo! Would you really do that?

I would. Damn, we're going to have to hold you live on the podcast. Get that ass out. You know what I want to say about Rachel real quick? Is that she does a great job of keeping cool under pressure. She's been under pressure at numerous points in the game. And know if when you're fronted with like as a human being hey you might lose your opportunity for a million dollars now keep a cool head that's a tough position to be in and rachel's been in that position numerous times and has been able to act like masterfully under pressure and i just think it it's wicked impressive what she's been able to do on numerous

occasions. Yeah, so we got Rachel and Andy as, I guess, potential frontrunners, but I also think going into these final episodes, Genevieve or Sam come from behind win, would also be really fun to watch. I think we're going to end up with someone in that final three that makes it really exciting,

if not multiple people. And again, as much as I'm rooting for Andy and I'm rooting for Rachel, the arc of a Sam or a Genevieve after what we've seen the last two, like, they could ride that wave and it's like

you see the jewelry, right? Like, that might even get the jewelry a little more invested in a ride like that. So it really is anybody's game, but... It's such a good season. Nobody wanted to finish that.

Finish your sentence, Bryce. Anyone's game, but what? It's anybody's game at this point but what's arriving but that's where I will get Andy's tattoo if he wins but listen let's just

say this episode 12 was amazing it's great Jake we can't thank you enough for stopping by and pulling up on us for the podcast this week. And in Boston, if you are around and listening, we have two more stops left on the Bryce and Wynn Tour 47 for part one of the finale. We'll be in Washington, D.C. December 11th.

And all roads lead to the finale December 18th. We will be in Brooklyn, New York. We are having a welcome karaoke party on that Tuesday. Tickets are available on the Bryce and Wynn present Instagram and Twitter. We'll see you next week. Thanks, Jack. Thanks, Jake. Thanks, Winn-Deezy. This has been

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