RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Fire and Fury

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

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what you think about our season finale recap of season 47. Baby, it has been a season, okay? It's been a season. And I am so excited to recap the finale of season 47. I am joined by Wendell Holland, the winner of Ghost Island, and the new host of Extreme Home Makeover on ABC, airing this January 2nd.

So make sure you are tuned in and set your DVRs. We've got the leader of the Jack Shack and the Jack Army, Jack Atkins from Netflix The Circle Season 2. And we have a special guest this week, my friend, Lauren O'Connell from Survivor, Edge of Extinction. We are here to recap, talk about, break down Season 47. We're talking about the FIRE Challenge. We're talking about the New Era winners. We're talking about what it takes to be a winner.

Being on the right side of the vote, does that matter? This and so much more. But before we get to this week's recap, I just can't thank the Purple Pants Posse for always supporting your baby boy. I have been on a 10-city tour, the Bryce and Wynn tour 47. And throughout these 10 cities, I have met so many amazing supporters, friends, the posse members that just show up for your baby boy. They love me and Jack going back and forth. They love Jack and James Jones arguing. They love

the friendship between Wynn Deasy. They just love Survivor News. And I just wanted to take this time to say thank you so much. It really warms my heart. I can't say thank you enough because it truly means so much just to have met so many of the Posse members. And I just appreciate y'all for listening, supporting, and showing so much love. Without further ado,

y'all hear the tears? Because I don't want to say it, but I gots to say it. Without further ado, let's get into the final Survivor News of Season 47. Survivor News. Survivor News Survivor News

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I am excited. I'm sad. I'm happy. I want to cry. We've come to the end of your Survivor News covering season 47. We are covering the season finale of the episode, the season. I'm so excited to be here with my brother, my best

friend, Wendy Z. Holland. Extreme Home Makeover is premiering January 2nd on ABC. Check the DVRs. Yes, please. Yes. Wendy Z. What's pop DVRs. Yes, please. Yes, when DZ was

popping. I'm good, man. I'm exhausted from the last two nights, but we are here and we're ready to get it in. Excited. And we've got, we couldn't do Survivor News without the man, the myth, the people's

general to the Jack Army, Jack Atkins. You might know him from The Circle. Season two was popping, Jack. What's up, Bryce? What's up? How we doing? I am great. I'm excited to be here. And, you know, I was once on Survivor a time or two ago, and I've met a lot of amazing people in the Survivor community. And there are some people that you connect with, you say hi, bye to. And there are some real people that show up for you in real ways and support you and love on you. And they happen to be beautiful.

They happen to be talented. And they happen to be doing a outfit of the day are you doing an outfit of the day on tiktok of your christmas outfits i don't think you're talking about me because if not it's gonna be really awkward when i say hi listen i'm so excited to have the queen lauren o'connell from survivor of Extinction Her first time on the podcast What's going on, Lauren? I'm so excited to be here This is so fun

I feel like we've tried a couple times And this is like the best episode to be a guest on So I feel really special Especially after that intro It's been a season So we're honored to have you Wendell and I just got back from the season finale of the BWP Tour 47. How was it?

Y'all were in New York again, right? We were in Manhattan for Tuesday night for our welcome party, and we ended in Brooklyn for the season finale. Wendell, how would you say the season finale was? It was a great finale. It was a was a great finale it was a great event and it was a great event with a great actual episode and winner and everything

so I'm happy to be with you that's so fun yeah we had the squad in there it was literally a sea of humanity of the amount of people Lauren and Jack that came out I feel like there always is I've never been to one of your parties where I wasn't like

trying to elbow my way through to say hi to you guys well I wasn't elbowing my way I was squeezing by uh but there were just so many amazing people. And I do want to just take some time to shout out. I met one of the posse members. Her name was Caitlin, and she has been listening to Survivor News. Her and her husband, they love us. They get into the arguments. And how I knew that they were a posse member, Jack, was after we were saying goodbye, her was like i'm a member of the jack shack

but listen i'm not done jack he said don't say nothing to jack because i don't want his head to get any bigger well there's plenty of room in the uh in the shack so shout out to kayla but i mean you know just calling him kaylan's husband we got to put some more respect on his name. Yeah, we do. But there was just so much magic in the air. We had so many survivors, so many big brothers, so many Love Island, so many Squid Games, so many Circle, so many amazing human beings in the building. It was a great event event we had like 450 people at berry park brooklyn it was just it was it was a cfu huge venue yeah two floors so we had a big and a big first floor and uh we had joey joey hatch and Caution on the ones and twos.

I love them. Bryce, what was that photo you just put up? Is that the best photo you got from the event? It's got to be a video, right? Oh, I just assumed it was a video and it accidentally paused. That's the picture?

So, do you guys ever have a good night and you think you're taking a photo and then you go back and look and it's like what was i doing listen lauren it was a long night a lot was happening it's been you are a brave soldier being here right now it was was a long season, but before we get even into the episode, you know, the BWP Tour 47 has we've had 10 stops. This is

our biggest tour ever. If you go to a Black church, sometimes they do like a praise report. And so I want to just give Survivor News a praise report that Wendell and I have completed 10 cities. We have not had a fight during the

cities, and I'm very happy. However, although we didn't have fights during our tour stops, last weekend our friendship was tested. Wendell and I got into a, you know when you fight with somebody, how you fight,

you just don't talk. We had an uphill battle last weekend. And because I'm just being real and transparent. And I just want to just take the time to appreciate Wendeezy because he's not always right. And I'm not always wrong. But I think the thing that I love the most about when DZ is no matter how big the fight is, no matter how dramatic the one of us might be.

And it's not me. I said, our friendship has changed. No matter what words we have, Lauren, the thing that I really do love the most about Wendizzi is after the next day. When he realizes that you were right. No, because I wasn't even going to call him the next day.

The next day, Lauren, because this has happened. We've been friends going on six years at this point. Now, the very next day after a fight, he always picks up the phone. And I appreciate that. And we do talk it through. I pick up the phone when it rings, but I will not pick up the phone to call him. Stand your ground.

Stand your ground, yeah. Well, you know, I'm going to let that slide because, listen, the ice is still very thin, but I do appreciate Wendy's because I feel like I'm I'm a special kind of person and it takes a lot to understand me. And I appreciate you. And this tour has been epic. And so I just want to just start it off with an appreciation to my very good friend. Well, also, go ahead. Okay, because I want to talk about something else to Lauren and Jack.

But any response, Wendyzy, real quick? My only response is I don't even remember why we were fighting, but I was in the right in that case and I appreciate you, my friend Bryce.

I can't tell if you guys are making up or still fighting. It's touch and go. We're good. If you remind me of what the fight was about, then I'll probably be mad again. But we had a good time. We're good. Now, Lauren and Jack. Uh-oh. I was minding my business this morning in my bed. we're good now Lauren and Jack uh oh

I was minding my business this morning in my bed after I walked never mind uh after I had to like go to the lobby and come back up to my room but after I like had my space to myself I'm doing a peruse on the internet

and I'm seeing a peruse on the internet and I'm seeing new couple alert, new couple alert, new couple alert. I'm like, oh my God, who's in a relationship? Can y'all believe that the rumor mill... I'm sorry, Wendell. Well,

breaking news. Wendell's in a new relationship per the BWC. You saw it on tiktok i was like who i was a little bit nervous you were gonna throw me out there and i was like how did i not see this and how did i not miss them in a relationship with because it has happened to me on reddit before um but i'm so glad it wasn't me. And I'm so happy for you, Wendell. That's so exciting. Congratulations. I see. I last night, I saw that when I was really drunk and I

commented on it. Like, why did you say that about my boy? Some shit like that. I don't even remember. I laughed extremely hard. It was fantastic. He can't even catch a break. Wendell can't even walk into

his own party and the party recorded it put it on TikTok we know the name but I'll keep it cute today and they said Wendell and Sue in a new relationship and no way they were

serious I think it was all the comments were like classic wendell and i had to come in there and get the get the pictures warm and oh my god i'm so about to call i'm so about to comment and be like i'm so excited for him this is so i'm so glad to find me out there biggest secret i've had to keep absolutely oh no, I'm 100% going on there and commenting that. I'm fueling that fire. Wait, Lauren, I'm so pissed. It's like,

why didn't I release that video? No, for sure. For sure. I mean, Bryce, you've seen me and Sue out and about, you know, so like you could have had the breaking news. So I'm just saying.

Yeah. Congratulations. That's so funny. What did you find on it? I said, how in a while do you attend the party that they work hard to host and then throw out some crazy rumors? You're no fun. I thought... I've seen Wendell go through the ringer and I

could have stopped him. I'm about to go comment and be like, Jack, shut up. We all know it's true. I love that we have both Jack who I love and he's going to hold me down and Lauren, you who we love so much and you're just going to talk trash. I love it.

I'm here for both sides that's a fantastic video I laughed way more than I should have at it and had I known that it was okay to comment I would have laughed immediately mind you it is crazy though because it's like Wendell in the video

is going in to tell Sue like hey like we're going this way but you do go in kind of slow. And Sue's neck does. Yo, you know what? You know what? I was telling Bryce, we just walked in. Again, we said 450 people. Sorry.

No, I thought. I thought. I thought Sue was calling. We just walked in and we got to make sure Sue had plus 30. We had to make sure her entourage

got to the VIP. You were meeting the family? Her daughter was there. I to the VIP. You were meeting the family? Her daughter was there. I met the family. I met her daughter. I met everybody. And yeah, so anyway, me and my new family, we were walking to the VIP section.

And I guess someone spotted Sue and I, you know, telling each other how much we love each other and they put it on the internet. These kids these days can't be trusted with, with those iPhones. So I'd be careful. Thanks Bryce. You know, I'm complicit. Okay. Hashtag complicit.

I'm so glad I had seen that TikTok before this, because had I not, I mean, I was a little nervous about what you were about to say, because I did not know what direction I was going in. And I'm really glad that I was in on that joke. I got you, boo. Well, listen, we got all of the particulars out. Jackery, take us home for the final moderation of season 47. Wow, it's bittersweet.

Bryce, I do want to give a quick report from the West Coast. I mean, you guys were holding it down on the East Coast. Lauren and I held it down out in L.A. It was no Bryce and Wendell, but it was a good time. And I got to say, a lot of the 47ers, people I didn't expect said Survivor News is their favorite Survivor podcast. So I just had to share that report with you guys and just throw that out there. And thanks to anyone, Survivor player or not, who's been listening. But, yeah, this was a great finale to a...

What's up, Wendell? I was just going to say, that's what they call Survivor News, your favorite Survivor's favorite podcast. Exactly. Just saying. I do also have to say, Jack, there were a lot of people coming up to me saying, from our last episode, I think you and I were saying to say, Jack, there were a lot of people coming up to me saying from our last episode, I think you and I were saying to the posse,

we need a posse member on season 49. And I got about 10 people coming up to me saying like, it's going to be me. So if you spoke to me last night, I hope it is you. Let's make it happen.

49 or 48? 49. 49 or 48? 49. Because 48. 48. I mean, if you know, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I'm tracking.

I'm tracking. I was just wondering. I was in the building in Brooklyn. Did you know you ain't here to have fun? Relax yourself, Bryce. I'm sorry. Yeah, what a great finish to a great season. I don't even know where to get into it, but it was a hell of an episode.

It was a battle at Final Tribal Council, too, and Rachel, well-deserving. I don't even know. Where do you guys want to start? It was a little bit different than past finales. We start right at four and get into that epic challenge and then the fire making uh which was also wild um what what stuck out to you guys where should we start i don't know well i got a question do we like that it's a two-part finale now that we now that we've seen what's happened um do we like that we had this you know two hours and two hours uh because

when i was watching this one as soon as rachel won that immunity challenge i'm like game over so i'm kind of glad that they saved it for this this portion because i don't know that's that was my take i i'm with you i think uh when we have the three hour finale sometimes it's like you know give it to me quick like you know like bring somebody back that hasn't played in a minute

make it six final six instead of final five really fill that finale right right like it's like I don't know I think I think like following me i don't know i think i i think i am but i don't know it was a joke it was just it was so interesting that there were four people in this finale and i was joking about the fact that my family had six six of us six and then five and then six again um but i feel like since i was on it which feels like a

lifetime ago they're just showing so much more of the personal stories and so cutting it into two parts let us see i think more of the personal journey that that final three had and feel a bit more connected to them i don't know if you guys felt this way but going into the final three i was like i care about all three of these people. Like I really, I think in their heads, all of all three of them believe they can win. I think that they're going to give a good personal story. And so I think cutting it into two allowed us to see that versus kind of stuffing so much into a finale, getting to the final three and being like,

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19-plus and physically located in Ontario. Gambling problem? Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connectsontario.ca. As far as the pacing went, I wasn't mad at it. But the one thing for me was that, like you said, Wendell, when, you know, going into this finale, it was sort of like, okay, if Rachel doesn't lose fire making or the challenge or whatever we can kind of assume she's gonna win so i feel like had you know they saved that final five as part of this finale with genevieve's exit there would have been a little bit more um intrigue going in of like

the genevieve versus rachel showdown like genevieve has a good shot to win rachel has a good shot to win sam's a dark horse plus you think about like that epic final six tribal last week you know having that then that final five being right after it you kind of lose a little bit of that that you like are talking about the rest of the week so I would have liked maybe

that final five to be part of the finale but as far as like you know being at a finale watch party I'm kind of glad we didn't have to sit through like three hours of Survivor, right? It was nice to have it split up. So kind of a double-edged sword. I'll say this. I was

right. When Rachel won the immunity, I said, okay, give it a million dollars, right? Like I kind of was like over it in the sense that she was so deserving. However, I do want to give props to the editors and just even maybe should i say the wind because although i felt like the deal was sealed after rachel won that fire making challenge in my opinion was had me on the edge of my seat and

that's kind of like the excitement that i needed and wanted for the episode. So although I didn't love it as a viewer, and of course I'm team Rachel wanted Rachel to win, but I wanted some like I don't know what's going to happen. What's what is it going to be? I felt like the win. So shout out to the and Sam

really brought it at the final. And that's actually something I want to ask you guys about because i feel like you said you know you get some props to the editors i'm we were kind of sitting there thinking is sand gonna pull out this wind now my question about that is like i feel like there has to be things that rachel shared at final tribal council that maybe weren't shown in order to make it a little bit less obvious do you guys want it to be like edited so that it's sort of up in the air or do you want to feel like okay rachel ends up winning

i want to see everything that rachel talked about to really win the jury over because i'm gonna split on it like it's a tv show so there may they they want it to be as suspenseful as possible and drama filled as they can to tilt, to still tell like this, the story. So I, yeah, you want to see it, but you don't want to watch a landslide. You know, you want to see you, you want there to be some, some idea. And even walking into this episode, I'm like, no, a Rachel win is too obvious. So, and we've seen Gabler do it, you know, so

there's gotta be something that's going to happen. So I, as they got to tell it's, it's gotta be an entertaining television show at the end of the day, if you ask me, and that's why they're going to bolster whoever's going to be second or even third, whatever. They're going to make sure that they look like they're giving this person some go. I have a question for you guys, and I don't think we've ever talked about this, but I have an interesting kind of backstory to it. The final four fire making challenge, right? Rachel said an interest, had an interesting comment about, I don't have to give the necklace up.

Well, actually, let me backtrack. Jeff says, who are you going to make earn their spot in the final four which I think is a really interesting way to word that Rachel comes back and says I don't have to give my I don't have to give my necklace up to beat Sam because I've already earned my spot so backtrack to 2018 I am sitting in Fiji at pregame the day before we are marooned we watched your finale wendell yes uh-huh we watched your finale and there was a bunch of commentary about how if he'd given the necklace up and he had competed in fire which i'm telling you i think changed the entire trajectory of our end game i stand by it I think there's no way that that idea, not to discredit the move that Chris made on my season,

Chris played a perfect game. Like I think all survivors that get the most amount of jury votes deserve to win. I just want to make that very clear. However, the day before we are marooned, we see your finale. We see all this discourse surrounding, well, if he had given the necklace

up to beat him in fire then he probably would have won yeah and i think that i i think that that i mean i know that that's the idea that was circulating around edge of extinction when the plan was kind of devised right so my question for you is do you think that the idea that someone has to earn their way into the final four through fire is the way to word that or is it and do you think that that changes the way the jury sees that third jury member or is it a you lost so you have a chance to save yourself. Good luck. Because I don't think at all that the person who wins that final immunity challenge should ever feel like, unless they played an absolutely terrible, terrible game, I get it. It's the last thing that the jury members see. But if you've had a game like Rachel, right, why do you feel like you need to give that necklace up just to prove something?

So that's my question for you is I know you have a really interesting experience with that. So. So what's the question? Just kidding. No, no, no. But to that, first of all, Chris Underwood, because he had such a limited time in the game and because Rick Devins was still there, there you gotta swing for the fences and everything you can totally yeah like he made every perfect move at the end uh absolutely coast island i think if don would have relinquished that necklace uh i think uh do you think he obviously he needed to in order to beat you right but how much of he got so like he got as close as you can like if if the wind would like if he would have relinquished it and taken me out at fire whatever would have happened at fire then he's sitting at the end with uh angela and laurel and he wins um if he would have relinquished it and just taken or let me go to the end and maybe beat an angela maybe that's another tick on his resume and maybe that discredits you do you feel like that

discredits you because now he's giving you this way into final i just think it's a really interesting conversation okay so okay if if if you're asking me if dom wins takes off, gives it to, lets me walk to final, and he goes and beats someone. Yeah. I think that that makes me look a little weaker. It's like, yo, man, go ahead. I'm going to beat you tomorrow night. And what happened in 45? Did Dee send Austin right to the final two?

What happened? Because I think I'm thinking like when you put someone there, it's like, all right, you can beat them. So in my case, it would be like, Don was putting me there. He can beat me. And then I feel like recently we saw something like that. So yeah, to your point, I think it would make the jury think like dag like this guy is very confident in himself and he thinks that that person maybe

not be a layup but might just be someone like that he could just beat applying that to this okay go ahead keep going applying that to this First of all, Rachel's game speaks for itself. She's a beast. You don't need to prove anything else. She should have won that. So what would we do in that situation? She wouldn't have to take anything off. Like she wouldn't.

Yeah, there's no. But also when it comes to like earning your way in, I do think it's a, Hey, y'all lost. And now it's like, all right. One of you, one of you losers beat the other to, to get to, to sit at the end. And that was me. I was one of the losers that had to beat the other to sit at the end. But fortunately I had a strong game to go with me losing that final four challenge. Yeah. I don't think it's a one-size-fits-all ever obviously but

i do think it's really interesting to have someone like sam right he gets to have this big win in front of the jury it's the last thing they see because they don't see the final immunity challenge they don't see whatever happened that rachel had to do in order to win that immunity necklace that's giving her the same journey to the final three that Sam is relatively getting, right? They're both getting there by winning something, but the jury gets to see the final four.

That's a great challenge. It's like the last thing they see before they have to go. Them seeing something that looks strong. So this is so interesting, right? Because it's like, I feel like Rachel gave Sam an extra, right? Because like, the thought is, if she would have brought Sam with her, like, do you think that that would have changed anything from the jury?

He only got one go anyway, right? Right. thing from the jury he only got one though anyway right right so that's very interesting because i really think like him beating it in fire kind of adds a little more like to his game and that's what i'm saying is i think that the person who wins fire that is the last thing the jury is saying they don't get to see that final immunity challenge and so it's like i think i mean obviously it's not the same for every season um and rachel had a fantastic game but i i just think it's such an interesting way to listen to jeff word it as earn your way into the final three because yes you are but i really feel like it discredits that person who wins the final four

immunity challenge yeah i'm glad you brought this up because i think there's a lot of different things to talk about with it i agree like i think at least in my mind and it feels like a lot of especially more like the modern survivor players is that you shouldn't really care that much about fire right if you already have the best resume it shouldn't affect things like you shouldn't if rachel shouldn't have to give up the immunity but like you said nobody sees the immunity challenge but you do see somebody inevitably succeeding in fire and sometimes that now i agree with giving up the necklace if it's like okay uh wendell's gonna win the game and i'm the only one who can beat him in fire i have to give up the necklace

and take him out in fire but um in any other circumstance i don't think you need to the interesting thing you guys also brought up is like that idea of right so inevitably you know even if someone says they don't care about fire just seeing someone triumph might be a small nudge in any sort of direction and so then it's like i remember zander said that in 41 he brought um erica with him to the end and made deshaun and heather make fire because he was actually the most scared of erica winning and so he wanted he said he thought hey like instead of you know if i bring her to the end don't give her that chance to shine i think i might be able to beat her but if i let her make fire and she wins then she might be able to edge

me out and so just that idea of bringing someone to the end and not giving them that moment is also very interesting. But I think Rachel played it totally fine. Like to me, you shouldn't feel like you have to make fire. It's literally, it's just that, just making fire. Like it's not that impressive of a thing. You're on Survivor, right? Do you make fire, Jack? I might be in the same situation where, you know,

but if I was out there for 26 days, I feel pretty good about the fact that I would be able to make a fire. I'm a good fire builder. I haven't experimented. 26 ain't that long, Jack. Oh. It's a new era. That's all you need.

I kid. I agree with you. I agree with you. But I mean, I'll stay an extra 13 and just hang out. Yeah. It was surprising to me how underprepared Sam was, but he had that dog in him to flush it out.

So that was another question, and maybe I was one margarita in. Was he really underprepared, or was he just like saying that to say that? I think he really underprepared or was he just like saying that to save him? I think he was underprepared.

Yeah. How many times, while y'all were out there, how many times did you personally make the fire for your camp? I was out there for a total of nine days. I was a part of, we didn't get Flint. It's not a hateful question. It's genuinely like there are part of we didn't get flint and it's it's not a hateful question it's genuinely

like there are people that just didn't ever make the fire for their camp there are people that's just like wasn't what they did so if he was out there for 26 days he might not have ever made or however long he's out there you know what i mean out there they call me little way because i was the fireman fireman okay like i was a part of helping the get the fire started and I kept the fire going. So like, I, like I was very prepared. Well, that is not even to disagree with you, right? It's just like, I see why that's a good question because

you know, you might get the fire started day one with the Flint. Someone does that, but as long as it's still going, then you're just adding fuel to it. You know, you're just adding. It's not that simple. Especially if you're going to tribal as many times as my track did. That is a strategy

game to keep that thing going while you're going. You keep it going, you're adding... But you can't though. It might not be the act of scraping the flint. I don't know how many times that would happen because you might get it and keep it going for days and then okay you can

be tending to the fire adding sticks poking things around but you might not have that practice of like okay so okay Jack this is the last episode Jack but what I'm about to say is giving the fire sticks and feeding

the fire is a very respectable job it takes a lot okay but you're diminishing Giving the fire sticks and feeding the fire is a very respectable job. It takes a lot. Okay. You just diminished. Well, but I'm saying it's a respectable job, but if you, if all you've done the whole season is, is fuel the fire, but you've never practiced with the Flint,

then obviously you're going to be on the front. Are you trying to fuel my fire right now? I did not mean to start this. I was really stressing it out. This isn't an argument. They trying to diminish somebody's work and reputation. Well, Bryce, if you add a bunch of sticks to a fire. You ain't adding sticks. Oh, my God.

Everyone will be on the island with you. Bryce, you can't just be like, for the fire-making challenge, I just want to add the sticks. I don't want to do it. You got to do the other part too. But also, at the fire making challenge, you need to add the sticks at the right time.

Building the fire is just as important as getting that flame. Talk about it, Lauren. You can get a flame, but I'm telling you that thing's going to go quick. Talk about it, Lauren. I'm telling you that thing's gonna go quick talk about it Lauren I'm not trying to argue with anyone one is being able to light the fire

and then you can hold up the rest of it after you haven't been here for weeks but Jack has turned into a different animal okay Lauren Jack has three people in the comments that like agree with Jack and two of the people are Jack I mean,

and now one of the biggest Jack supporters in the comments, their name is Hugh Jack. Jack's mama? Hugh Jack's. Wait, this wasn't meant to be a hot take. All I'm saying is if you haven't practiced

lighting the flint, you might not be ready for the fire. Okay. So we're clear though. I practiced, I helped start our original fly fire. And for the remainder two days that I was there, I kept it. What I was saying was not diminishing what you were about anything about you. I'm saying maybe Sam was there

throughout his time on the island was helping keep that fire going. But if he hadn't ever been the one to start it, then you're going to have a hard time starting a fire if you've never done that step. True.

When's the last time you started a fire, Jack? I've started a couple fires you know but usually i have like a i don't have a lighter uh or like a yeah or a match yeah match and maybe like a fire starting log but i can build a good fire don't get me wrong but if you threw me in a fire digging challenge right now i've never used I've never really used a flint so I that's why I'd have to practice a little bit Lauren before you went out did you practice fire um once or twice maybe listen I was like the most underprepared person most naive person going into the show ever you need to understand I had about let's see they told me last week of April and I left May 23rd so I had like four weeks to graduate from college

move out of Baylor move home get my stuff ready for Georgetown figure out what the heck I was gonna do with like clothing and all like I had very little time and I was like so very little clothing and all like I had very little time and I was like so very little practice with the fire but I did I did make the fire quite a few times while actually on our tribe um now what so because Jack is here did you make it or did you just add sticks to an already going fire so we're clear that's a great question, Bryce. Thank you. I did. I did make it.

I did make it. But I will say, shout out to Kelly Wentworth, which I've never, ever been on a Survivor podcast in my life and not talked about Kelly Wentworth. We had to get it in somewhere. But she, like, 24-7 is making sure that fire is going throughout the night. And I would, like, there is something about waking up freezing, seeing that your fire has gone out. That makes you really appreciate the people that put the sticks on the fire. That's real. And that same, but in that same token,

because that's what I thought going out on Cagayan. If I keep that fire going, they would appreciate a girl. They would show a girl love. I wish I would have let that mother go out. Because that was one of my tactics. I was constantly in the middle of the night getting up. And I'm like, ooh, they're going to be like, we got to keep Bryce. Because he's

keeping the fire going. And random fact, I used to go to the well in the morning and in the afternoon and I would fill up everybody's water. They did not deserve you. They did not deserve you. You were too good for them. Those MFers.

Alright, I got a question about the fire We saw Teenie with the wind issue And we saw Sam Sitting right next to her He didn't have as bad of a wind issue Should Teenie have Rotated her body to the side Where the wind was

Blocked by the wind But can't you do that? I'm going to be so honest. I was so confused how the wind was only hitting hers. Her fire was getting in the wind. It literally looked like,

what's happening? I clearly do not understand weather in the slightest because it didn't look like the wind was hitting his at all or it looked like it was coming the opposite way. I'm like, what's going on? We had so much wind on my slightest because it didn't look like the wind was hitting his at all or it looked like it was coming the opposite way i'm like what's going on we had so much wind on my season that they did it up in the um voting booth so we didn't even see the fireman challenge we just like heard jeff narrate it um which is crazy um but jeff was just narrating it because there was so much wind did the wind start halfway through because it looked like her her fire was going for so long i don't know if that's how they edited it but it looked like it

was hitting that rope for so long yeah it looked like that maybe they wanted the drama this time maybe they were like there's some wind we're gonna see yeah i also feel like on these first time seasons you even saying that wendell should she moved her body like i feel like when i was out there i was like whatever they say you gotta do and so like i feel like there could have been a part of production saying like sit here and build your fire that would have never crossed my mind to get up and like block the wind with my body. That's such a good point because she's they're super young. Correct. Twenty three. I while I was watching this finale, I was thinking about because I was 21 when I was on it.

I was thinking about how differently I would play now, because I think because I was so young and just said it in I guess the reunion or whatever they call it now about how just life experience it does impact your game and I remember him telling me that when I was 21 I was like I had like four surgeries on my knee I played college soccer like I'm good I look back I'm like oh my gosh I would play so differently now because I have so much more of my identity formed. I question things more. I feel more comfortable in my own skin. And I feel able to make decisions based on what I think is best versus just listening to someone. So I think it's such a good point for us to say, okay, maybe they're just sitting there being like, this is what I have to do. I can't make a change to what they've told me versus you,endell who's like I can do whatever the heck I want right a hundred

percent that whole um like I looked at when I was on I was I was 33 and I told myself after that season I'm like man if I would have gotten on in my 20s I would have played a totally different game and I'm so glad that I got on at this stage in life. How many times did you apply prior to this? Quite a few times, and you only applied once with a 30-second video, and you made it nine days. That was

hateful for a reason. You see how nasty he is during the holiday time? Yeah, I really like that. During the holiday time. I love that. I only applied once to Bryce okay got called the next day but it's not so much about how many times

but I'm also a loser as am I and as am Jack but it's not it's Lauren it's not about how many times Wendell has applied it's the fact that I've seen

13 of the videos and when I say Lauren they are bad like there's one video where Wendell used to clerk in a courthouse and like for the first two minutes of the video with clerk

girl girl I said the first two minutes of the video is Wendell walking into the courtroom he sets the phone up and then he's like video is Wendell walking into the courtroom. He

sets the phone up and then he's like, hi, my name is Wendell Holland. I'm sitting in a courtroom. I was like, what the hell? I was in a jury box and I told them that I'm not

going to be in a jury box. Listen, we can make fun of you because you won and we didn't. Let us have it. Right. Let us have it. He spent two minutes walking in, set the camera up. Was that the one that got you cast? No.

Clearly, no. I can't imagine why. You could tell he thought he was going to eat, though, No. I can't imagine why. You know what? I don't want to eat, though. Because he sat the camera down. He walked in the jury box. My name's Wendell Holland. All right.

As you can see, this is not a roast. We're here to talk about Rachel. thank you do you feel like she got a winner's edit I do

yes and no yes and no because let's be clear there have been seasons that in my opinion when we say winners edit there have been older seasons where from day

one they are shining a light on someone and it's like very whoo look at them and I so I don't say Rachel got a winner's edit right I feel like there were

peaks and valleys now I feel like towards the beginning there were a lot of valleys however at the end there were peaks and when she peaked it was peaky not peekaboo. Not peek. What is it? Peekaboo? It wasn't peekaboo. It was just peek. I have another follow-up question. What do you think her most impressive move was? Okay.

It was a good question. So my point blank period. Can't wait wait when she utilized her shot in the dark to gauge them MFers on a

body language and moves for me she sold me like for me that was very impressive we didn't really get to see her talk about that's kind of talk about that that was kind of like what I was referring to that was very impressive. We didn't really get to see her talk about that. Talk about that, though. That was kind of what I was referring to. That was such a great move, and we didn't hear her elaborate on it at all. But I agree.

They gave us breadcrumbs when she tried to steal rice. Yeah. And then you get her making that shot in the dark move. If she's not the winner, i don't think they take so much attention showing us how like how much time she took with it and her like looks they might have shown it briefly or something but like they really fed that that portion to us so you got the rice you got that and then she goes on these immunity runs and like wins when she has to win takes out freaking Genevieve who is such a strong player to me it's like she in the new era this is what we call a winner's edit from my perspective

yeah sure I felt that she was going to I didn't think there was any chance she didn't win after they showed her playing her idol and the reason I that is because, and this isn't to discredit the move at all or what she had done, but it would have been nice if someone had told me and every single person on my tribe had told me, Hey, we're voting for you tonight. You know what I mean? And I had an idol and nobody knew about it. Like I'm not saying that I, I understand holding onto the idol. There's so many things that go into that play working and making her a great player right but I I think they really really made that play so important and made her like they showed her creeping up on them listening as if you know they weren't about to just tell her

the next day hey we're voting for you ma'am you got to play your idol now that they knew but I felt like had she not been the winner it would would have just been like, yeah, I think I'm going home and she would have played her idol. Do you disagree? I agree. I also feel like for me, one of her biggest strengths or one of her biggest moves that's not necessarily a move is she never got comfortable. got comfortable. I feel like season after season, we always see there's a moment or maybe not even a moment where the editors are asking you questions and you give them that like, I'm good. Jack leaving the night. Right. Like I feel like she was cognizant enough to know this whole time that whether or not she's in a good position or not, like I got keep fighting. I have to like, I gotta keep shaking the table.

And I felt like she's been shaking the table and trying to figure out how to continue to just stay alive. And I think like that's really her greatest move for me. How, I feel like I need to preface this because I think she is phenomenal. I think her game was amazing. I, listening to her talk about things, listening to the way that she was looking at the game just so so so impressive fantastic but how much of you

saying we never heard her get comfortable do you think as the editors because there is for sure one confessional i personally remember of myself being like i will actually jump off a roof if they play this because so embarrassing so embarrassing they didn't they didn't play it and it was one of those moments where I was like oh my like just really feeling myself thought it was awesome I would have looked like an idiot I would have looked like an idiot and I think the reason they didn't show it was because they had to show why Chris playing how he did was so important like there was reasons why I think that wasn't shown so I'm just wondering if you think you really think she was never feeling comfortable or if there are moments where she felt comfortable and we just didn't see it. I don't think I think she's the person that never got comfortable.

Yeah, I really do. And she ever have a chance to feel comfortable. Right. Eyes were on her and all the time. Yeah, she was a head and shoulders above a lot of players. It's like, if you get comfortable, like they're coming for you, you can't, you have no, which is kind of not a nice place to be,

but at least there is a sense of urgency. There's a sense of needing to win. And I think that that helps. I think it helps so much. I think the second that you ever feel like you have the next day figured out is the day that you go home. Is this a good analogy? Does this make sense? Sometimes when you're at work, right, you don't really want it to be busy. Like you want it to be slow, but when it's slow, You don't really want it to be busy. Like you want it to be slow. But when it's slow, the time goes by super slow.

However, when you're at work and it happens to be a busy day, the time like you hate that is busy. But like at the end of the day, it's like, wait a minute. It's five o'clock already. See your hoes. Like I feel like some part of that can be applied to like Rachel feeling like I always have to like yeah they always coming for me I think a big thing about Rachel's game

too is like we talked about a little bit in the past is she did get lucky in a lot of ways but that's part of the game and I always felt like her read on things was always very accurate I always felt like whatever was thrown her way whether it was something that was lucky or unlucky or whatever she would like read and react very strategically uh and so i just felt like it was really a master class almost on new era survivor because you know i miss those flashy, like, Tony block hosts win.

But I think in the new era, everyone's so sharp that we're not going to have, like, a Wu taking Tony to the end and letting Tony win. People always are kind of more aware these days of what the pecking order is. And so if you want to have, like, a strong game, you got to look at Rachel's because she kept, like, a low threat level, made some moves behind the scenes and wasn't always being flashy until she had to at the end but was just taking

information and just kind of moving smartly with it and it's not going to be the flashiest i mean it kind of got flashy at the end when it had to be but um i just think that's how people have to position themselves because it's like like we see like whoever sticks their neck out too early, they get cut next, you know. A question for you on that same, in that same breath. How important do you think it is for someone to have voted right throughout the game? Because Sam makes a comment about how he never got a vote wrong. And how I think he said something along the lines of like Rachel never voting correctly and I know like on my season there was conversation about you were never you never knew what was going on you never knew what was going on you just kind of got here somehow which again not for Rachel but like on my season that was a conversation of like you never knew what was going on you just got here versus someone who voted right every time how important do you think that is but see I also feel like that speaks to our point of

you're back against the wall the whole game, right? If you're voting correctly the whole time, then it means like you just going with the numbers. I almost, and this is something, a nuance that I don't necessarily get the obsession with wanting to vote right and be on the right side of the vote for me my obsession would be maintaining relationships right like yeah i might have

said your name indicator of maintaining relationships though because if you're voting right it means they've let you in on the plan and you were in on the majority i'm not i'm playing devil's advocate here yeah i'm not i an opinion. I'm just saying that, do you think that maintaining relationships can be equivalent to voting correctly? See, I also feel like, but sometimes in the game of life, where it's like you ever walk up to a,

let's say water ice, maybe that's not a good, like a pretzel stand, right? And you see a long line and you, what do you do? You automatically get in the long, you get behind the person, but there's three windows. Like you don't want to walk up to the other window

and discover that like, oh, it's open. Sometimes I feel like with voting, it's hard to actually tell because you could have a good relationship with you. I can have a good relationship with you, Lauren, but you won't vote me out because Wendell and Jack are saying my name and you just

want to, like, it's that follow the leader type of training. Like, that's a hard indicator at times. I agree because it's great to be in on the vote, right? But sometimes, I like your analogy, Bryson, to throw like a similar analogy, it's like, okay, maybe there's one last

seat at like the cool kids table and you want to jump in and be a part like, okay, maybe there's one last seat at the cool kids table, and you want to jump in and be a part of that. But maybe there's another smaller table with some new people you can jump in with. It might not be that main group, but maybe you can make a little bit more happen. Sometimes there's people in the game who can just get in on the vote, but if you're never attempting to steer the vote, drive the car, then, okay, in every on everything but what did you really like piece together and with rachel you know she was out of the annika vote that was one of the votes early on like so be it and then i guess the other vote

she was out on was the operation italy vote but it's like at that point she's a big threat so there's going to be moves made against her and And so you can't really hold that against her. And then to Sam, I mean, he did a great job of being in on the vote. But, you know, he wasn't out of the Sierra vote because he didn't have a vote. But I think we could all say for all intents and purposes, he wasn't in on that vote. The vote got split on him. He very easily could have gone home. So if you think about post-merge incorrect votes, I'd basically say like Sam was wrong on that one and Rachel

was wrong on like the Operation Italy I don't know it's great to vote right the problem is like what I was saying with New Era if you can't spearhead every vote right so sometimes naturally you might like in the olden days Kim Spadlin could just tell her squad like what to do and lead every vote

and that was really impressive but now if you're trying to drive every vote you're going to get in trouble so sometimes like you might have to be on the wrong side of one um it's just like how you recover and also like you can get to the end of the game by by either being on the right side of the vote and being dragged to the end or being outside the vote and being someone that they're like, yeah, we can sit next to this person at the end, or by being outside of some votes, but so good at the game, elusive, strong, and able to win challenges that they don't have an opportunity to take you out.

It's like, all right, this person who was my adversary in the game is a strong freaking player, and they got to the end. All right, you were out of a few votes but you didn't give us an opportunity to snipe you and now you have a a wonderful seat at the end and i guess another thing that makes me think about too lauren i'm loving the questions because you yes yeah i haven't talked survivor in like so long. So this is, this is fun. What I was going to say is like, maybe sometimes like, maybe not being on the vote can be more impressive than being on the vote. Like, okay, maybe you weren't in on the vote,

but what you attempted to do was creative or maybe it was the right move for you. And like, sure. It didn't work. Maybe you got blindsided, but your head was in the right place whereas someone might be in on the vote against their best interest just because they want to be part of what's going on it's like well actually maybe you should go branch out a little bit and shake things up instead of just being

in on the vote what stands out more that's exactly what I was going to ask because Wendell said something so interesting he said well if he's beast and challenges and they're winning all these things and we didn't give him a chance to snipe him like all it shows that you place value on winning challenges on the physical aspect of survivor versus and i'm not saying you give it more credit than not but i think that

there are some people that wouldn't care if you won every immunity challenge if you did x y and z better so it's like is someone who was scrappy and won all these immunity challenges and was never in on the vote and was unable to because i'm not saying this is true or not but i think you can look at it from the perspective of was unable to strategize and out outwit relatively other people. Is that more impressive than someone who was, didn't win a single immunity challenge, but was able to integrate themselves into different alliances and be brought in on strategy?

I don't think you can be one dimensional and win the game. I don't think you could just be like great at challenges and win the game. And we've seen it. Well, wasn't it like Culpepper? Didn't he win like a bunch of challenges and not win or something? In Rachel's case, like she found stuff she she made made things happen right but uh but yeah I I don't think one-dimensional players can win or yeah I'm very much on the anti-challenge train of if you if you have to win all these challenges then like clearly you're not in a

very good social spot in the game and like and if you don't have to win i guess when i respect them the most that goes then that's kind of what rachel had to do though kind of but it's like at that point when she has to do it late and it's like the final six you know i can respect that a little bit more but if you're doing it early on then it's just like all right like if you win them at the end and you're the biggest threat and that gets you to the end i can respect it kind of like what nick wilson did with david versus goliath like he wasn't a challenge piece but at the end he got in the right spot one out the thing to me is using those challenge wins to if i was a juror the thing that I value the most is having great social relationships and utilizing those to have strategic agency. And so if you're winning immunity challenge,

I would actually expect you because you're not vulnerable, that you should actually have more agency. So a lot of times there's people that win a lot, but aren't really playing the game in any more in a stronger way than anybody else. So I'm sort of like, well, if you're winning, but you're not utilizing your safety to make things happen, then you're actually kind of a worse player in my mind. I know that might be a question. People love the challenge. Question.

Wait, can I be Lauren O'Connell and ask y'all a question? Because I love the question. I know, exactly. I'm so interested. No, no, wait. So in that same line of thought, can I ask y'all what y'all think about mike holloway's win because i felt like mike holloway is a winner that i feel like and i don't want to say one dimensional but

i want to say like i feel like mike holloway won his way to a million dollars what season was that correct that was like season world apart world's apart that was like season... World's Apart. World's Apart. That was like season 20, 31 or 30. Right, right, right, right, right. Well, they actually brought Mike Holloway up last night. Yeah. Andy and Rachel were saying that his win was not very good. And I would tend to agree.

Like, I think Mama C was a better survivor player than Mike Holloway. I'm going to go with Will. The spectacle of winning all these challenges, some people are impressed by that. But I think, especially in the new era, I would guess the thinking... I think Mama C would probably win that final three more

in the new era. Yeah, baby. Yeah, baby. Especially in season 30, there were some characters, especially, you know like literally one of the times blue collar they're gonna they're gonna respect mike just winning his way right but um and then like i think now that would be valued a little bit less because he was also just messy right can i um can we talk about some emotional points of this episode? So there are two things that stuck with me. And well, I guess I'll go with Rachel first, but make sure I get back to my second other emotional one.

There was something about Rachel bringing up Chrissy Hoffman. Kim. Y'all know I say the names wrong because I was about to say Kim Spradlin. I don't know, I say the names wrong because I was about to say Kim Spradlin. Her naming these trailblazing women leaders in Survivor that I just, even though I can't say their last names correctly, I loved and I respect. And it's like, you know, not only has Rachel played an amazing game, she knows her history. And it's like, you know, not only has Rachel played an amazing man, an amazing game. She knows her history. She knows, like the trailblazing ladies that have come before her.

What were your thoughts on her bringing that up in this last episode? I mean, it's cool to be a part of history um what interested me and not to spin your your question too was Jeff was also really hyping her up for that which I'm curious it's a very small question but I'm sort of like obviously you want to give someone their flowers for being in the record books but at the same time was Jeff just like kind of hyping her up too much right if I'm Sam and I'm sitting there I'm like Jeff chill with this like don't don't give her too much credit yes is he still remain is he remaining neutral exactly exactly yeah what you think lauren i love anytime that we get to reference female survivor players that have done something so incredible because having never won an immunity challenge in my life can confirm that they are difficult. Never won a puzzle like they're hard.

And I think that the fact that she can win four is right for right is such a huge feat and I think that it deserves to be celebrated I see what you're saying Jack and was he hyping her up too much maybe but when was the last person that did that yeah and how many seasons was that ago i mean it was a long time and so i just think it's like to have a female player when four immunity challenges is it's a huge deal and i think that have and you're exhausted you're tired and i think that there is an emotional strength an emotional strain of being on the bottom having to fight your way to every single day that she was also wearing mentally emotionally physically as well that goes into those wins being even more impressive um i love a flashback famously um and i think that anytime a survivor

player shows us that they're a fan of the game and that they love the game and that they like you said know their history it makes to me it makes you feel like yeah this is a family like yeah these people love this show as much as i do yeah i do remember when that happened and i also think i don't think she was thinking about this but i do think the editors were when they did it i think they were allowing us to connect emotionally and look at Rachel like we looked at those three women and be like oh man those three women were badass immediately you're thinking oh well Rachel is too you put her in that same bucket so I think that there was some strategic production from that not that it wasn't warranted I just think that I loved it so yeah I loved it

too I'm just waiting for the day that uh somebody referenced me and I can get a flashback uh just you know that would make my day however uh I'm not to my second emotional point yet but I do just also want to say that um you know I was talking to someone at one of our parties and they were like, oh, you're old school, Bryce. I said, don't disrespect your grandmother's mother like that. I am not old school. I am considered new school so we can be clear.

There are 47 seasons of Survivor. I want to say that 1 through 25 is considered old school. 26 through 40 is considered new school. 26 through 40 is considered new school. And now we're in the new era, just so we can

clear that up to somebody. However, I just, I really do love the new era because I think that our diversity initiative that we helped spearhead really has been shining. And when I got to thinking a little bit,

like there's been such a long time as Survivor where there have been a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man winner. Then we get a woman winner. For us to have three seasons and three great seasons, in my opinion, back to back and to have a D, to have a Kenzie and to have a Rachel winner, winners back to back, it just really

makes me love the new era. And I think that like I just love it. I think, I think, I'm sorry to cut you off. I think Tegwith might have came to us last night and said it's like a re a Renaissance. This, this like new, I guess the new era is kind of like a survivor Renaissance. And we're getting like a different style of winner.

We're getting a lot of women winners. It's great to see. And like, I think it's great for them to celebrate, like, especially a Rachel who is, she played a a tough game like a great game and won all them challenges and for them to compare her to like a Kim Spradlin like reminding us that we just we just saw someone that should be on that echelon of win of game I think I think the new era is really cool because we've seen so many different new winners to your point i agree how much of us having three winners in a row do you think is indicative of the social climate because i would say that survivor does tend to be this kind of

look into what's going on in the real world, right? That's the whole idea of the game. And so I would say historically, women are viewed as providers, we're viewed as nurturers, we have been viewed as softer than men. So when we take on a role that is more masculine, I might hear from someone else. When we take on a role that is more masculine, when we take on a role that's more masculine, it can be viewed as a threat, not as something that is praised and could be why women in the past may have played a similar game to women now, but have not gotten the reaction that we may have, looking back on it, thought they deserved. Versus now, we have women who maybe are taking on that kind of, I'm going to attack this game. I'm going to, I'm not going to sit back.

Not that women do, but just in general, they're going to play that more aggressive game and they are rewarded for it. I think that that's a very good comment. I also think that equity's a very good comment. I also think that equity comes into play, right? I think that when you look at past seasons, you have to think of the different makeups of the different people that have played the game. And I think that now that we get a more diverse season with diversity comes different things of people's backgrounds and people's values and how people see other people. And I think that that

plays a huge part into where we are today and why we are seeing more women winners because it's when you cast the same, same, same, same, same, you get similar results. But when you cast different people

with different value system, different classes, different everything. It's not the standard belief of what people think society is.

Yeah, you're right. You'll have different outcomes. With different inputs come different outcomes. What I thought was really cool this season and I guess we're in the era where you could see these like badass women competing and getting respect for playing hard games like um like when I when I think of a like a badass female player I think of like Sarah Lucina She was like so strong, so tough, so harsh. Like she is one of the goats of course. And this season we saw Genevieve and we saw Rachel and these were like the two

strongest players on the Island. And I'm like, man, I would love to see both of them at the end, but just watching these two women and like that are the strongest players on the island, but then also how I think we watched Genevieve babysitting Rachel while she was looking for an idol or vice versa or something like that.

And now that we're watching these two unique players do it, it's different than a Rome and a Saul because like, you know, Rome was almost like bullying Saul, but in this case, watching two women do it is a little different. Cause it's like, they're, they're almost joking with each other. They have this mutual respect for each other,

but they're the best players and the like, I guess like the most vicious players remaining in the game. And I think for the edit to portray it that way, I think it's good. I think it's pretty progressive because now we're seeing and we're giving flowers to these women who. Like you said, historically, it's like they should have a different role in the game or should play a softer game or whatever. Now, this is Survivor. Everyone should compete hard. And whether you're a woman or a man competing hard, you should be able you should just be judged for how you're competing. So I like I like that direction of the game.

And I like that women can go out there and unapologetically just play hard and get rewarded for that, as opposed to looked at as whatever kind of a woman, you know. as opposed to looked at as whatever kind of a woman, you know? Something that I'm really curious to see as we go forward is how, right, I think the new modern archetype of the winner of Survivor has shifted, right? I mean, five of the seven New Era winners have been women. I'd say four of those played a very sort of a little bit more stealthy, social, strategic game. Whereas in the 30 30s we had a string of winners it was ben wendell nick uh chris tommy kind of a similar archetype right and so now i feel like we see maybe like someone like sam who might not be

doing it like at certain points post-merge wasn't in the driver's seat yet was still seen as a threat i think sort of as a after effect of that sort of string of winners so now it's like when you have a do you think sam is being punished for that i don't think punished but i think subconsciously people subconsciously view like think about historically a big sort of charismatic alpha guy is the kind of wind survivor but now it's like okay you look at the string of like d kenzie rachel now if i go out there i'm not going to be scared of a sam i'm going to be scared of like that really sharp intelligent lower key sort of woman so i wonder going forward if are people now going to view that archetype and be like that's the biggest threat and then maybe we're back in a world where like the brawny guys are

like oh that's what i meant yeah that's what i meant or will we be in a world where the gays take over right because can we get some gay back-to-back winners and it and that's a great point jack but it also brings me to my next emotional point that i just want to bring up i want to talk about teeny for a second right because i feel like teeny has been y'all y'all the way y'all been treating teeny on the internet f y'all because one teeny hasn't been bad like i just feel like people have, I think people went from loving. Teenie was so like, love. They're amazing. Yeah. And I also feel like maybe people haven't understood their ending.

Right. And I think that like, they don't agree with some of like Teenie's takes, but I just, I have to say that Teenie being a member of the LGBTQ plus community, someone that is like we said earlier, Lauren, they're young, they're still growing, they're figuring out their identity. They're a baby in my eyes, right? And me as a still very young, young gay Black man

that has had to figure out my identity in this world, in my place, right? Teeny that's on their own journey of figuring out their identity and being out there with someone that might trigger you personally. The self-awareness to be able to say that. Right. I was just so impressed and i met teeny last night just immediately exactly the way that they are portrayed on the screen is just exactly how they were towards me just

so loving so open but to be able to say that with the to be able to articulate that concisely so authentically on day whatever day it was at 23 so freaking impressive regardless of anything else that happened on the show I think I couldn't agree more and it's like I just for I just love it. And just seeing that be a part of Survivor that I know can affect so many other people's life. I just love it. And I know that the diehard Survivors are, oh, I don't understand why they don't like a salmon. But that is Teenie's lived experience.

And I appreciate Teenie for being so open and honest. And I appreciate the editors for sharing that because I felt like i can't relate however i can relate in my own situation and i my own life and i i just was it was really good to see that on survivor so much love to be me the part where they said he was the guy that was asked to move the desks and i always wanted to do that the story the storytelling, the visual there, just, I was so, so, so, so, so impressed with them

in that, in this episode, because of the self-awareness and because of the authenticity and the vulnerability. I was like, oh my, yeah, he probably was asked to move the desks. We should ask other people to move the desks now. Like, what the heck? It just, it makes you rally behind them it really does because it's like don't ask me okay I don't want to move the desk I personally don't want to have to do any physical labor but like if you want to I'm here for you

you do that and so I just feel like that wasn't sometimes people don't focus on things like that. And that might've been very small to someone else. But I think that that was huge for our community and at large. And so I was just very appreciative to have a teeny storyline. And although I might not agree with all their moves, I think for me putting myself in their place, I'm like, I get you and I see you. Yeah. I mean, just in general, it's, it's very, like you guys said, the self-awareness to just be like,

maybe I'm not having a great relationship with this person, but it's all these things from my past that are maybe influencing that it's not their fault, but it's just like things I need to work on. I think anyone can relate to that just in their own personal life of, you know, being self-aware and using that in your relationship so that was very impressive and yeah the analogy with the desk was also hilarious

we just need to get Teenie like a construction job and just let Teenie like go swing a sledgehammer move as many desks as you want I think everybody wins like Teenie will be happy and some houses will get built

but ultimately I can't well and I guess here's another thing shout out to Sue right I think that Sue played a great game right maybe it wasn't a winning game and I've said this multiple times on this podcast

that like in the survivor community we place too much emphasis on the winner right like because that's all that matters sometimes on a season all you talk about is the winner but i personally feel like i just feel like we should never talk about the winners. I mean, I just, I don't know. Because the people voted out on day nine and the people voted out, like May 5th should probably be talked about more. I mean, I don't know. Okay, because Dominic Abate,

Dominic Abate isn't talked about enough for me, but that's just, you know, whatever. However, I really do feel that like sometimes the third- No, and actually I take back ever saying that I feel bad because you literally have an entire montage of your face behind you. I don't feel that, like, sometimes the third... No, and actually, I take back ever saying that I feel bad because you literally have an entire montage of your face behind you. I don't feel bad. I will legitimately pile this on as much as I want.

Well, I mean, here's the thing. You're ragging on Wendell, but, you know, we all know he was rooting for his wife, Yisoo, to take home the million bucks, so if there's anyone that's more upset, it's Wendell. I just want to say,

if you make it to the end, you make it to the merge. In some people's eyes, that is winning. I feel like Sue played a loyal game. Sue, you crossed Sue. She hated you. She was going to do her best to get you out. I respect stuff like that.

Because it's like, you got one time with me. Well, here's the thing. When Sue comes back for 50, everyone's going to know how loyal Sue is. And that's going to allow Sue to actually mix it up a little bit more and take on the two million. Jack, the real question is, when Sue comes back for 50 and they do the loved one visit.

Will Wendell be there too? Are you going out for the loved ones visit with Sue? We already had that conversation. They don't do the loved ones visit anymore though, right? They're going to do it for 50. Alright, so I got... How long do I got to start dating someone on 50?

I'm trying to make an appearance. Jack, you're single, right? I don't think I'm going to make an appearance. Jack, you're single, right? I don't think I'm going to be on 50, though. They said fans versus favorites. We'll see. Guys, what do we think about Sue's final travel council? I mean, she was dropping bombs left and right. It was her birthday and she's 59?

How did she know? If she had told me it was her birthday and I was on that jury, I would have given her my vote. I love a birthday. Yeah. I think I was, if I'm being honest, because I try to keep it real on the Survivor News Purple Pants podcast, I was shocked to see Caroline

didn't vote for Rachel. I just knew Caroline would vote for Rachel. For Sue? You did. I mean for Sue. Sorry. I was knew Caroline would vote for Rachel. For Sue? You did. I mean for Sue. Sorry. I was like, I just knew Caroline would vote for Sue.

That shocked me a little bit. So how much do you really think that loyalty is valued by the jury at the end of the day? It's true. Not much. Because I don't know. I haven't flushed it out in my head exactly how i feel about it but i think that you will get more respect for making the big move that might

that turns against your alliance versus staying with your alliance at your own demise yeah whether or not you're sitting at the end or not at your own demise yeah whether or not you're sitting at the end or not do you vote unless you get a really special jury i don't know do you vote for your do you vote for the best player the player who played the best game or do you vote for your friend you get to vote for whoever you want exactly i that was my dilemma on winners at war i was like i was like michelle is sitting right there and she's my friend tony is the best sitting there and then like with the whole discourse on like the edge of extinction and then back at uh at ponderosa like people weren't completely sharing who they were voting

for and i had like i had my little crew we were ready to to vote for Michelle to make sure she got second. And then... Yeah, you didn't know if Natalie would buy the talent. We didn't know if Tony would lose. So I'm like, I got to vote for Tony because he is... Did you vote for Tony? Yeah. And I think in my voting confessional, I wrote his name down and I said, hey, Michelle, if you weren't sitting next to Tony right now, you would have my vote. Yeah. It's sort of like American politics where you might want to vote for a third party candidate

but you're like well they might not be able to win so I got to make sure my vote counts I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing but but to that point I want to part of me I want to it seems like Kyle maybe voted for sam just to spite sue and make sure she was third and not second so kyle big revenge from kyle

do you think the majority of jurors vote for the best player actually i have a different take on that how much of the jury's vote or a juror's vote do you think is based on their personal experience and who they feel like's game qualifies their own the best? that in order for my jurors to have voted for Gavin, they would have felt, and I'm not saying this is true or not, but I think it's possible that if they had voted for Gavin, who had never been on the edge of extinction, that it would have invalidated their entire game because they would have been saying,

regardless of what Chris has done, he didn't, he did not play the game, whatever you want to say, he did not play the game. Whatever you want to say, he did not play the game. And therefore, in turn, they didn't play the game either. Yeah.

Agree. Yeah, because when Chris gets back and he does everything right from that point on, if you were on the edge of extinction and then don't vote for him, then you're sort of saying, well, if I had come back and done everything right, then I wouldn't. It doesn't matter because your case is very unique.

But I do know. I know. But I think that it can I think that it applies to a lot of seasons as well, is that you're sitting there as a juror whose ever game resonates with you the most. And I think that that oftentimes is based on your own personal experience and your own personal values. Like if someone was sitting on the jurors who was like, I was loyal to my Alliance till the death, I would have died for my Alliance. I think they would have valued Sue's final tribal council speech. I think that there's a possibility. I'm not saying all the time, but there's a possibility that you take your own personal biases,

your own value of what you think matters the most in order to maybe subconsciously validate your own game. Most definitely. Do you think if when you get voted off, you're sequestered like we were sequestered in the beginning of the season and we only sat at like we could see the tribals, but we were sequestered and we only got to speak at that final tribal council. Do you think that a lot of winners would be different? I don't know if the so I don't necessarily know if the winners would be different, but I do think there would be a much wider spread of votes, much fewer near unanimous votes.

Right. Because I think there's a lot of group think that occurs at ponderosa i don't necessarily think that's a bad thing because you're listening to other people's arguments as to why so who should win and you're taking other opinions into account and then people sort of sort of start to come to a consensus um but at the same time it sort of is like i i'm sure a lot of jurors still kind of have their mind in the game, almost of like, I want to be in the majority here, right? Like, I think there's almost a stigma of like, if I don't vote for the winner, I'm going to look like I made a wrong decision. When in reality, it's like, just vote for whoever you want to.

That's kind of like, I respect like James Jones, for instance, voted for Cassidy, he should have won. And like, he wasn't in the majority, but he had his own criteria and stuck to it. Last, last Lauren question. Do you think that the jurors, first of all, shout out to Lauren, because now you got me thinking all these crazy, like, I love this.

Do y'all think, and I've never really thought about this, like in that same topic of being on the right side of the votes. Do you think jurors think that way, too, even with their final vote? Well, how much how much conversation was happening for you, Endel, during Winters at War for. Like before your final vote, how much were the jurors talking to each other? Because in order to answer your question rice i think and i i feel like i can't give a full answer because my jurors were hanging out together on edge of extinction for 30 days or whatever it was and then i was only there for a day

wait so you wait so you was only there for a day i was only there for a day how do you know day and a half two days how long was because was no because that's a great question I'm trying to figure out but how long was Wendell how long was he there with him no no because I'm just trying to know when he got there he was a million dollars richer than me though so now let me

oh shoot now I'm seeing the montage behind his head I take it back okay so it's crazy because I got there to the edge of extinction with these beautiful people i got there um after the merge and that's crazy because bryce doesn't even know what a merge is but so after the merge i went to the edge of extinction i was there for like i've never been there. Yeah. You pulled a picture of yourself off your wall.

You knew it was coming. So after the bird, I got to the edge of extinction. I was there for like two weeks and that was me on an island for like two weeks. It's crazy because Bryce wasn't even on the island for two weeks. So I was on the edge of extinction for longer than he was on the island. I was riding elephants back in the Philippines. Okay. I was drinking margaritas in Manila. Okay.

I was enjoying myself. I'm going to be so honest. I forgot that you guys said edge of extinction on your season. So maybe my question isn't as valid. Yeah. Yeah, on Winners at War, we were on the edge until like three days before the end of the game. And so when we got back to Ponderosa, there were some talks. But then, like, again, a lot of these damn winners, they wouldn't share, like, certain people wouldn't share

stuff. And so now it's just like, alright, you guys got I don't know if y'all got side deals or what y'all got, but Were you trying to get stuff out of people though? I mean, my roommates are Jeremy and Tyson.

And they weren't talking to you. What? me and Tyson. And they weren't talking to you. Wendell said, who do you guys think about voting for? And Jenny said, don't worry about it, little bro. They blame me.

It's the stuff that you reveal when you don't mean to reveal it. Oh my God. A quick take it's the stuff that you reveal when you don't mean to reveal it oh my god quick take on on uh winners at war because it was a conversation that i had with a few people because i i i feel like that there's a possibility that our jurors voted for chris because they experienced they had the same experience that chris did right so they saw chris's game versus like i didn't vote for chris i voted for gavin because i saw gavin's game right not discrediting chris's one whatsoever it's just personally that's what i saw so we had the conversation on whether or not y'all would vote for natalie um because you saw her game you experienced edge of extinction and i think that the difference is that you all had played the game before and you knew what it took to actually get to day 39 or whatever um and how hard it is

to mentally and emotionally and physically get up every day i'm not saying i didn't experience the edge so i don't know but in general like you you guys knew you experienced it you knew how hard it was to get to day 39 and you respected that just as much as you know natalie's freaking badass right like so cool but i think that there's a level of you guys having already played that you respected tony's win and that ability to stay in the game before he answers that lauren though because let's paint the picture because maybe there is a reason why wendell voted for the way that he did vote in that win back challenge where natalie won who was she playing against i don't remember was it oh yeah

was the mayor of edge of extinction because she got there on day one she's building up this war chest of these things and all these people edge of Extinction on Winners at War rewarded people that were voted there early, which means if you made it further in the game and you get sent to the edge, you might not know that you're able to send stuff over and you're winning stuff. Did you get an idol when you came back in?

What's that? Did they get an idol when they came back into the game? I don't know. Or did they take that away? Fire tokens and purchasing idols, wasn't that a thing? Yeah. There were all kinds of like, I thought the Edge of Extinction was like,

you know, by the time I got there after the merge, I thought the Edge of Extinction was just like nothing. You know, you're just in purgatory. But in actuality, people that have been there since day one are finding things and getting this and yeah developing this war chest that will then help them in the win back challenge or whatever challenge too right yeah yeah yeah so yeah she

had a few i think i got one advantage but anyway in the win back challenge natalie won to your point though lauren i mean this is more directed at Wendell, but I agree with you. It's like Natalie got what? Four jury votes. Michelle got none. Even though Natalie was the first person voted out, I'm sure some of those votes were from people that were on the edge

that felt like her experience validated theirs more than Michelle's did. And I think the reason that Tony won that you said is probably, I mean, not only did Tony play an awesome game, but like the jurors, having been winners understood it more. But I think your question is very good compared to like edge of extinction. Your season is like, that's that same mentality. I'm sure it was a factor in winners at war. The edge is so flawed because you're literally on another island

jury tampering it's like you are with the people that will yeah more than a million dollars so yeah they have the similar lived experience as you whoever gets back in the game is like their representative almost and you could have been the sole provider providing all the fish and making fire you could just sit there and be super nice to them because you're not really playing the game there you're just chilling yeah but does that not then knowing what you know now right like does that isn't that the point of the game though like because then it's like why would you send who like would that change who you send to the point of the game, though? Like, because then it's like, why would you send who? Like, would that change who you send to the Edge of Extinction?

You got to know the Edge of Extinction exists. Well, I feel like at Winners at War, didn't you? You know, you knew going in. Right. So that's what I'm saying. For Winners at War, like, don't you think that that would then change who you send there for that very reason? But what do you do? Keep the people that you want out in the game and risk them never getting

voted out. Yeah. I don't. Yeah. So you at least make it harder for them to sit at the end with you. Don't you think? I mean, yeah.

Also, I mean, you guys are like, if you're on the edge of extinction with someone for 30 days and you don't even have to, like, be cutthroat, you could just sit there and bond. By the end of the 30 days, I'll be like, well, Chris is my boy now, so I'm going to vote for him to win a million.

Like, I don't even know. Like, of course I'm going to vote for my boy. Yeah. That's not true, though. Because Wendell was out there with Tyson and Jeremy for how long? And they got back to the room well if Jeremy had been at the end

I bet you Wendell votes for it well I mean that is true but needless to say shout out to our girl

Rachel because she did the damn thing she played an amazing game it's truly been such a fun season to watch

her, to see her with her back against the wall, for her to make these game-changing moves, for her to do the things that she did. I just want to say congratulations to Rachel. It's been a fun season. Part of it being so fun is that we've had amazing characters

to watch all season, i.e. Rome, i.e. Asia, i.e. Annika, i.e. Sierra, Saul, like so many. Like the season has been so amazing. And so for it to be. Sue. You better talk about your girlfriend. You should go with me when you go home. Right now.

Clock that T, Lauren. This is fun. You should invite me more often. Girl, always and forever. But any final words on the season? Yeah, Bryce, before we go, not to keep us, I quickly want to ask each of you, where do you rank 47 in the new era?

And where do you rank Rachel as a winner in the new era one and one well actually I don't know I don't know because I I ranked this season one because I think the season for me personally I loved it however amongst the winners, I rank Rachel amongst Jam, amongst D. Like, I think of Jam, D, Rachel. That's where I put her. In that order? No, I just,

they in a group together. Now, he asked what... Yeah, I know what he asked. I gave him a group. No, he said, what place do you put her in? I put Season 47 group. No, he said, what place do you put her in? I put season 47 at the top, and I rank

Rachel among winners like Dee and like Jam. And what would you rank her among them? She is in the top upper echelon

because listen I love I love Jam's win I thought Dee's win was impressive I thought Rachel's win was impressive I didn't make the merge I didn't make the merge so I can't speak on it I did not I didn't make the merge so I can't speak on it

my motto is underqualified over opinionated baby go ahead you can go right at it. I think Rachel played top tier. I love Rachel. I feel like if

we were at an airport, I would have TSA. Rachel got global entry. She's just above me. Rachel killed it.. Okay? Like, she's just, she's above me. Rachel killed it. Like, I think I, okay, you want me to go on record? I think Rachel is one of the best winners of the new era.

That's what you just said. You just went on the record and said it. Okay, so listen, let's play a game. Let's play a game. We're in a room.uren and jack you're tyson wendell you're jeremy i'm wendell okay let's not talk no more okay you know what i'll save you i'll save you because what i'm about to say is going to make you look great um of the all new era seasons that I have watched

which is two I rank her top two number one for sure what was the other season oh sorry you keep cutting out I can't oh god it's

staticky I can't hear you y'all gonna let her slide Y'all gonna let her slide? Oh, y'all gonna let her slide? You don't seem to cease. I said two full seasons. Two full seasons. Okay. All right, Jack. Here go Jack.

Jack about the hate. I was about to give a right type answer, but now I can't. I'm going to say two and two. Well, who's won? I would say 45 and D are one for me. I was going to say 45, 46, 47, all very close for me. I think D is probably the best winner.

But I would say to – I think Rachel's blueprint for her game is probably better than D's. But I think D just had a little bit of that extra, like, X factor that brought her to the win. Like, her connections were just a little bit stronger with people. Yeah, she had an alliance. She had a squad. Yeah. And Rachel didn't.

And so that's why I'm like, I think Rachel, but I ain't mad, though. But in order for D to have that type of squad, you have to build those type of relationships. And that's what I was saying earlier. That's what I was saying earlier. It's what you value more. The people that were in charge and had that strategy and were able to integrate themselves into relationships and alliances or the person who was on the bottom and had to fight their way to the end.

I'm not saying either is better than the other, but I think that's two different ways to play the game. Jeremy, Lauren, and Tyson Jack, can y'all please speak to Wendell and ask him the same question? Thank you. I can't wait. This is going to be good. Yeah, Wendell.

So we've been letting you hang out with us for a while. So we're just curious if you can tell us where do you rank, Rachel? Mom told me I could only come on the podcast if I let you come with me. Okay, well, my other half is only on one of the seasons. So I'm going to have to say the greatest season of the new era is going to have to be season 47. new era is going to have to be season 47 and the greatest winner of the new era.

I'll say the top three are going to have to be the same three that Bryce said. Rachel, Jam, and Dee are the top three winners. Did you want to rank those you were just yelling for not ranking them okay okay okay nevermind I was about to be messy I don't have a take

sit sit sit sit sit sit okay so if you oh okay Soviets. Okay. Say it. Say it.

Say it. Okay. I will throw my computer. Out of all of those three winners. We're not live. Who gets the Covenant? The what? Who gets, out of all of those three winners, who gets the Covenant? Who's coming on your loved one's visit?

Survivor News winner's bracelet. who gets out of all of those three winners who gets the coveted survivor news winners bracelet out of those three winners hey Lauren I love this podcast it was good seeing you guys. This entire time, this entire time, since the second you brought it up,

I was like, you could do the funniest thing right now. You have the opportunity to do the funniest thing. That was so good. There's another fight ensuing. This has been the Purple Pants podcast coverage of season 47. Thank y'all so much for watching. We love y'all. We'll be back

next season. Lauren, you're amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. This was so fun. Hell of a season. Hell of an episode. We'll see y'all later. See you in the spring or early spring. Hold on. see y'all later. See you in the spring or early spring. Hold on. He always comes

crying back. I'll talk, no game. He's just trying to look out for his new girl, Sigrid. She got it. It's been a great episode. It's been a great episode It's been a great season

Lauren thank you for joining us Truly Jack Wendizzi Thank y'all for holding it down For the Survivor News crew We are What y'all say before We're your favorite survivors

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hopefully we'll get some off season content hold away Jack sorry Lauren just asked if the Jack Army is a real thing Lauren you don't know what the can of worms you just opened answer the question Jack before we go did you make that up Did you make that up? Did you make that up?

Did you coin that? Check the comments. They arrived for me. Jack, Jack. Jack, Jack. Jack Farmy. Really end the season with Lauren just questioning. That's tough. It's been pretty cool.

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