RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Game On: Paybacks and Power Plays

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

The baby boys are back with another fiery Survivor 47 breakdown! Join hosts @BriceIzyah, @WendellHolland, and @JackAtkins21, along with special guest Survivor 43’s @j2dajones, as they dive into Episode 9, where shifting alliances spark new tensions. With only ten players left, Sam seeks revenge on Andy for past betrayals, adding a fresh layer of drama. Meanwhile, Sue and Sol find themselves in the hot seat as potential targets, and Rachel faces tough decisions with her hidden idol. As strategies collide and threats loom, the tribal council delivers another surprise that could turn the game upside down. Don’t miss all the tea on this week’s blindsides, power moves, and pivotal gameplay!

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give this video a thumbs up, and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's episode. Woo, baby! It was a lot going on this episode, a live tribal, so many names after names after names, four people losing their vote. We got to go on a journey. We getting rewards. Baby, episode nine of season 47 was delicious.

And I'm so excited to be here with Wendell Holland, the winner of Ghost Island. Jack Adkins from Netflix, The Circle season two. And we have a special guest, James Jones from Survivor season 43. And we are getting down to the nitty gritty. So let's get into this week's Survivor News covering Survivor Season 47, Episode 9. And after that wild, wild tribal council, I had to ensure that we time travel so that we can record right off of the episode. I'm so excited to be here with my Mississippi brother, one half of Bryson Wynn present, Wendeezy Holland. What's poppin'? What's going on? You see I'm here reppin' for my Mississippi,

my Ole Miss brother, Q. My man, I got the Q hat on. You what time it is it was great how y'all doing today we are great and of course we can't do a Survivor News without our Emily from the Circle Season 2 the Jackery fresh haircut what set are you repping with that hat Jack the Seattle Supersonics

oh okay we love that and after an episode like that we had Seattle Supersonics. Oh, okay. Throwback. We love that. And after an episode like that, we had to get someone that is referenced on this episode or this podcast, probably on a weekly basis, the legend, the GOAT himself, the FAMU alum, season 43, James Jones. What's poppin', JJ?

I'm very happy to be here, but I also didn't know the show notes to wear a hat. Like, I mean, I have a good selection of hats. I mean, I appreciate my hairline still being there, but I would have loved to at least start it out with a hat like everybody else, you know? Like, I don't even see one in my house right now. I gotta go find one.

But, you know, other than that, I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me. Great to see you all. And let's go. I'm loving this. JJ, astute voice. Wendell, would you agree with me? The last eight billion times we've been with James, James doesn't normally sound like

this. That's correct. That's correct. I'm not mad at it. This is my work voice. Maybe my work correct. I'm not mad at it. This is my work voice? Maybe my work voice. I should use my work voice. That is what they call code switching. But we're excited. The

fellas are all here. But of course, with this episode being so amazing, the Bryce and Wynn Tour 47 continues next week. We are going to be in Chicago. Chicago. Light up the sky in Chicago. And it's shaping up to be, I mean, I don't know,

maybe one of the biggest parties we've had yet this season. Wendeezy, what you think? Just tell the people, Bryce. Tell them you can look at the flyer, but don't look at the flyer. Because you take that flyer and you double the amount of survivors and et cetera. And that's what's going to be in the building. This is going to Chicago might very well be like one of our one of our many finals. OK, Chicago is stacking up to be that move.

if yeah if you are loving this season of Survivor 47 I say Chicago would be the spot for you to land on but listen after Chicago we are heading to our home city of brotherly love Philadelphia the night before

Thanksgiving we will be in Philadelphia at French Bar November 27 from there we are heading to our sister city our cousin city, Boston, December 4th. And Boston shows up and shows out and back by popular demand. D.C. said you can't go on a presidential campaign without stopping in D.C. So we will be in D.C. December 11th. And baby, Brooklyn.

You know, I love little Kim Homer, not BK, but Brooklyn Don. Brooklyn is, woo! It's a lot. I'm just trying to figure out which one of these shows is Jack going to come to because I'm trying to figure that out.

But tickets are available. Bryce and Wynn present. Link in the Bryce and Wynn present Instagram and Twitter bio. But Jack, you going to come to the second leg of the tour, or what's up? I'm sitting here just, ugh, because I'm like I need, the FOMO

I've never been hit so hard by the FOMO I just fortunately lately I've been more busy unfortunately I've been a little broke too, so it's just a combination, but also coming from the West Coast, it's like you tough combination but also coming from the west coast it's like you know I can't make any promises

but he's waiting until it's warm he's like it's very cool I don't care about that I'm there so well Jackery don't be mad because if you can't come I still feel like there will be Atkins blood in the building

because you know I got my girl Christine number my girl Christine is trying to pull up to a Bryson Wimpart she'd be eager to be there she might be better representation for the Atkins family but yeah it's tough I'm trying to figure it out maybe

if there's one I can make it's probably New York so hopefully maybe we can we can do that one that one right but but let me ask you you guys last night were at the private screening down in mississippi hosted by the great q burdett how was that let's just say, Jackery, our flight was at 6 a.m. in the morning. We got into Memphis at maybe 10 a.m. Q picked us up.

And when I say we entered Q's world from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., we were with Q. Q practically kidnapped us. We got in the car and we were like, Q, where are we going? He was like, I don't know, I'm just driving. And that was

our day. Q would not stop. Wendell, what you got to say? That's how Q had us. In shock. In shock. We got to see Q's 47 properties.

We got to meet Q's adorable son, Ace. We got to hang out with him q and wendell played pool for two hours q has a pool table in his house q said i'm good at i'm good at pool you won't play pool wendell now you know i love the rag on wendell anytime i get but why was wendell smoking q in his own house to the point where Q started getting an attitude. Q, so they played one game. Wendell won. They played another game. We'll say Q won. Q was like three or nothing.

Wendell won that third game. Why did Q stop talking to us for like 45 minutes? It was just me, Wendell, his wife, and Ace. Like, you really got mad. So it was crazy. Then we went to Ole Miss and it was great. We had Hunter there, Genevieve, Sam

from this season. I think that was all of us. Yeah, and Wendell. And it was a great episode. We got to premiere it. Jeff sent an amazing message. And it was great to see the episode last night. Then we got up early this morning. Got on the first thing smoking, headed back

to Philadelphia. And we are here for this episode. Yup. And what an episode it was. I mean, I think this might be the first time we've ever podcasted. Literally, the episode ended 15 minutes ago, and we're just getting right into it.

I don't have my usual – I took some notes during the episode. I don't have my usual, you know, breakdown, but I'm so – I mean, it was, to me, probably the best episode of the season. So it's just a treat to be here right away, hot off the episode with so many thoughts to share. We got James Jones here. We got Wendell back in here. Did he move in the house

thinking that's going to improve the Wi-Fi? I think he did. You know, Wendell has very cheap and inexpensive Wi-Fi. But James, let me ask you a question before we get into this because, you know, I seen, Wendell and I seen the episode last night at Old Miss. If I were to text you James and say oh just a good episode this week would you consider that a spoiler what would you consider that I probably wouldn't care okay because we have someone on this

podcast that I was going to text my friend Jack and say, Hey Jack, good episode. Can't wait to podcast. But I did that one time and Jack text me back and was like, Hey, thanks for the update. But like future reference, like I don't really like to know spoilers.

That's not a spoiler. Jack. To me, it's, it's a, it's a semi, you know, it's not a spoiler spoiler,

but if I, if you're like, yo, this is a crazy episode, then part of me is like, oh, well, something wild is going to happen. Maybe there's going to be a blind side. I'd rather just know nothing. It's not the end of the world, but I'd rather

just go in blind. What you're saying, Jack, is everybody should tweet you that it's a crazy episode of Survivor every week before it comes out. I don't even use Twitter, so feel free. I got a question. What did James Jones just pick up? That looked like curdled milk.

Vanilla latte. Oh. I thought it was a big thing of lotion. Why are you drinking a vanilla latte? It's 10 p.m. First off, I didn't have a cup.

You wanted to be respectful of the pod. I was. I was trying to be on time. I had a little teepee time. You know, I got my group voice on at night. And, you know... Can we also just take a note at how

James' voice has now changed back to the James' voice that we know. Hold up. He said, I got a different voice. No, your voice came back. Now, last question before we get into the pod, because, because you know we begin cussed out if we

go right into the discussion and then if it's too long so wendell if we live in the same city and i find a cheesesteak place that's good, is it a spoiler if I say, hey, I just had a cheesesteak from this place is good? I will tell you, no, it's not a spoiler, but what I will say, if you're alluding to our good, good, good, great friend, James Jones, he is a professional at showing the best food in the city on his Instagram, but not telling anybody where it is. Yeah, he doesn't talk about the happy hours, but no, that's not what I was alluding to, because I'm just trying

to say, if I text Jack it's a good episode, he says it's a spoiler. Well, if I find a good restaurant, can I text him and say it's a good restaurant? Or he like, hey, I don't really want to know what all the food is. I want to go there and find out for myself.

Sure. I like to go in blind. I would appreciate a good restaurant. Freak. Check. Not going in blind with them pineapples is wild. What can I say?

A good restaurant rec, always appreciated. A Survivor episode, look, I'm not, it's not a crime, but I just, you know, I'd stay away. Okay. But, yeah, I don't know. Should we dive into this? I don't know.

Let's dive right in. Yeah. So, you know, we're hot off the app. So I'm like, let's just get to let's just get into it and not go. And I mean, I think the highlight of this episode, you know, so first of all, what I loved about this episode was. A, thank God for 90 minute episodes, because i felt like we got to see i felt like i was on the island right like it felt like you see all these plans unfolding chronologically like people are at the journey people are at the reward they're coming back one at a time plans are starting to be hashed one name gets out there and then another one comes up but you're seeing like

four different names you're really seeing like the mindset of you know a good handful of the players out there and you're just witnessing like the chaos that is you know figuring out the vote like a lot of times survivor makes it easy for us because maybe it's a time crunch where it's like oh it's this person or this person but this time it's like no idea what's gonna happen uh it was really exciting uh and there was so many layers to it i think genevieve was kind of at the core of this and i think there's a lot to discuss about whether that was a good move or not i also think you know rachel and andy were in some sort of swing positions and so i just want to throw it to you guys. What jumped out at you from this whole situation,

this whole Solvo? Just give me some thoughts. Let's go. My first thought right off the bat, though, is it seemed like the episode was edited different. Were they using a GoPro?

The way they captured this episode was so different. Like, were they using a GoPro? Like, the way they captured this episode was so different. One, as crazy as us going through names, figuring out names, the way the camera was moving, the camera guy was shaking. There were points where the camera was like, and I'm like,

are we having an earthquake? So I just, my first thing is, I love the way this episode was captured. It just seemed very different. Like raw almost. Very much so. Like somebody got laid off and then they didn't get his position.

So the other person had to pick up their work. It was just, I love the way they edited. Just from a videographer perspective. It was edited very fun. Like I was on the beach. That's just my first take. What y'all got? I was going to say,

I think they do a good job capturing, like, because they broke everything up into the four that won, the two that separated, and the four going on the journey, I think they did a great job in, like like seeing those conversations and seeing kind of how they kind of influenced each other.

And I think because it was so much organization kind of before everybody came together, and it was so much time kind of spent apart where there wasn't a majority together post-challenge. When everybody did come together, I think that even added to the chaos because it wasn't everybody or a single majority together and i think that's a good tactic from from a you know a drama standpoint just from everything standpoint to keep things moving because you're taking away time at the beach on the tribal day which is going to make things hectic by nature so yeah i loved how each plan because we were broken up in those three reward in the journey in the non i love how the original plan hinged off of the rewards people then the rewards people hinged off of the non-rewards people. But I loved how when you mixed it up, it would change because the original plan that everyone had was so different.

I loved how that complicated things. And I loved how it wasn't like a large majority. I loved how just two people having a conversation could infiltrate this large group. And then all of a sudden we got a different name. Then it trickles down to the next level. And now all of a sudden we got a different name. Then it trickles down to the next level. And now you got two more names out of it. I was like, this is crazy. Watching the tide change. It's like, yeah, like, like a little ripple here. It's like a butterfly effect goes down here and changes. And then you get this ripple and then it changes. It's kind

of crazy to watch that happen in real time. It also makes me love the game of Survivor, right? Where I feel like anyone that's watching, because I feel like whoever's watching will play one day, right? Like, when Jeff says, keep fighting, don't give up, it really just goes to show you,

saying one person's name can have such a huge ripple effect. But my opinion, the biggest ripple of the effect was Sam. Because Sam bust that thing. If this was 1999 and juvenile, girl, you look good. Why don't you back that thing up? You a big fat woman. Why don't you back that thing up? You a big, fine woman, won't you back that thing up?

Sam was a black woman at an HBCU in 1999, this episode, because girl, you look good, won't you back that thing up? Sam, you a big, fine woman, because he bust that thing from

left to right. I would describe that differently in my assessment. But no, Sam had a tremendous read. He pushed Rachel. She dropped information. I think this is

something to kind of note just from playing the game where it could have been very easy. Okay, that's the vote. I want to play my role right and he decided to say i'm going to try to make things happen and when you're out on the island people remember that even if you didn't make it happen people will remember oh they actually like try so i think that was like something that was good. Also, like you see how quickly something can change. Even though nothing did change, eventually it was still a landslide.

But you can see like, okay, at least causing that chaos caused that bigger group to have some fractures. And you get to have things to work from moving forward. Even if your plan doesn't come to fruition, just having other people's names out there as targets that aren't you and it's not coming back on you, means that you're doing a really good job. Because a lot of times that can happen. Everybody's like, let's just get Sam out. He was vulnerable. He's a target, but he didn't go home.

So there was something to be said about being able to stir the pot and not have people come at you immediately on the island for doing that because they knew it was all in Sam. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC

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So now Sam just came in swinging. And I think when you come in swinging and you make these type of moves, you're able to play in a way that if you were comfortable with your girl, Sierra, you wouldn't play. Now, although Sierra is a Philly girl and I'm so sorry that she's gone. I think her leaving might've been the best things for Sam's game because now Sam is a free agent and he's ready to go. Throw them bows. I was worried.

He went from juvenile to ludicrous. To ludicrous. I was worried a little bit at first because I was, you know, from Rachel's perspective to me, I was like, okay, Sam, you know, it seems like it's not going to be you this time. Maybe letting Rachel get some inroads

here could help bring you guys back into the fold. But at the same time, I can see where Sam's coming from because it's like, am I supposed to just sit idly by and not even know a plan? Like, you got to go make something happen. And like with Sierra going home now, he's sort of playing. It very well could have been him last week. He's kind of playing with house money now. So he's not afraid to stir the pot and rock the boat um gambling now but he's playing with house money so is it really gambling

but yeah i don't mind i did think it was kind of a rare misstep from rachel because it's like you either got to decide if you want to let sam in on the plan or not and if you do maybe bring it to him tell him why it's the move like make him feel welcome to it but don't be like oh I can't tell you and then he guesses it and you're just like maybe yeah like that's

yeah it's kind of like you have a secret that your friend tells you not to share and then but then you're like oh well if you guess it though I'll tell you it inevitably they're going to guess it and then you're like, oh, well, if you guess it, though, I'll tell you. Inevitably, they're going to guess it. And then you're like, yeah, that's giving them a secret. Let's talk about that, though, because when you

do that, you're not supposed to say yeah. You're supposed to be like, mmm. Exactly. And she didn't do that. That's true. But it's interesting, the two goddesses are the people that kind of delete the leaker

and the spreader. And yet those two people are still here. So I wonder... Wait, who do we have? The leaker of the information, Rachel, and the spreader information, Sam. That's Bryce's ideal three.

That sounds like you got to call the CDC and make a report or something. Who is the leaker? Whoa. All right. So I said what I said. Therefore, I think it's interesting

like that so easily that vote can bounce back from either one of them. Like people can say, oh, but people really want it's all gone. I think Genevieve, she's winning me over because she has sneaky threats and subtle threats. Yes, can we get rid of this

big threat talk? Let's get these sneaky and subtle threats out the game because those are the ones that really bite you in the butt. Her leaker or the spreader? Whoa. Definitely both of really bite you in the butt. A leaker or the spreader? Whoa. Typically, both of them bite you in the butt in this game.

You gotta get rid of them both, but I like it. If Genevieve is playing a big dog game, which I think she is, it's kind of like Lions and Hyenas, where she's like, I'm playing a big dog game. I'm getting all these people out the way

that are out here just on their fringes not trying to so I'd rather have somebody here playing respect the game than have people on their fringes

that are just like being super subtle or sly who aren't considered these traditional big threats so and she's keeping

those big guys around the Cows the Sams so she's keeping those big threats around, the Kyles, the Sams. So she's still insulated when, you know, stuff goes down. I do think Kyle's biggest mistake, though, was just blatantly lying to Rachel. I feel like that could potentially

be problematic for him moving forward with a Rachel. Kyle's a target regardless. I mean, no, sorry, sorry, sorry. Because Kyle still think he on the block. No, I mean, Sam. Oh. But you didn't play a lot of Rachel.

I mean, he did. Rachel said, I'll tell you. Right, and you blew up her spot, essentially, because now everyone thinks it was Rachel's plan and not Genevieve's plan. That was crazy. I think it was Tuku's plan, which is good for Genevieve. It was impressive

that Genevieve got away. It wasn't Genevieve's plan, but I think it's going to come back around. It definitely will come back around. But yeah, it puts Rachel and Sam kind of in a position where it's like, we can't really trust you with information. Although I do think Genevieve left a little too much out there in like

talking to Andy, talking to Rachel when she didn't really need us. Cause with Rachel, she was like, she gave her the option, which I think was kind of smart of like, should we tell Sam or not? But now Rachel went and told Sam it's like,

well, Genevieve told me I could so it's not yeah that's kind of why I was a little worried for Sam is that you know okay he's at rock bottom kind of and someone's giving him some information he immediately goes and spills it

but as far as like longevity and winning the game you can't really sit around and just let Rachel who's also kind of on the bottom be like that middleman for you and then just be like oh i'm just going to accept that i don't know the plan like that kind of puts you in a bad spot um i mean depends on i mean sometimes not knowing the plan is fine you know it's not you and sometimes you can skate by without getting any blood on your hand that's why i think the new era is interesting where you can sometimes you don't know what the jury is going to respect you

don't know what the jury is looking for you don't know how the game is going to end so you have to make that that business choice to say hey i could i i'm safe i'm in a safe spot right now or i can try to make i'm not in a safe spot but it'll get this optimizes my chance to win the game right and i think that's what people are doing where they're like, OK, I'm kind of safe here. Right. And I can go along with this plan. However, this may not be my optimal plan for me to win the game. It could make me go. I can go. I can go far in the game. But I want to have my win be a slam dunk. So I'm going to try to make the things that make my woman slam dunk where people are going to respect it and see the moves I make because I only saw Charlie where Charlie's behind the scenes

making the moves and it's like, we don't give a rat's to him. That's great. You know, so I think this may be a dynamic shift that, you know, I personally like, so. I think at this point in the game episode nine right uh soul was my winner pick and so my winner pick was wrong however i have now illuminated some new winner picks that i have and i'm just going to say a winner move that i saw this episode was with genevieve when genevieve started this fire and the one thing that she didn't want people to know,

she didn't want Teenie and Saul to know that she started the fire because they sleep in the same bed and she lit the bed on fire. The fact that it came back around and she has Saul and Teenie, the Teenie she's

lying to, she has a good relationship, she knows it's going to sever the relationship, and and Saul this is the person that she is saying they are coming to her like what are we going to do the way that she composed herself I said well golly damn because if that were me let me just tell you

right now that little triangle that we would be in would be smelling a little funky because when I get nervous I tend to fart. And I would have been like, I don't know. What should we do? But this is their social game that why she wasn't the first one moved out on her tribe. Sometimes you're just playing against players that are just, she's good.

And it's like sometimes it comes down to that. Like when you're playing against somebody and they really just can out-relationship you or they just have the mojo with the people. And clearly Genevieve had the mojo on the Red Tribe.

I forgot the name. The Red Tribe. And now she has the mojo early merge. Like now it's tough to keep the mojo going but she has it right now so that's what i was gonna say james like genevieve is looking really strong right now and like uh shields that's the beautiful part but i don't know like i think i think they go now because i thought i had her as a winner pick too, but I feel like they're going to sniff it out and do like... I don't know.

They got Sam. She has Shields in front of her. This is the thing why you keep these targets in the game is because now when you are making moves, you have people like Sam is going to try to make a move regardless, right? So you keep those people in the game. What's the point of taking them out at 10 because they can win the challenge?

Okay, another question. Do you think they'll ever gun for Kyle? You think Sue's not holding a grudge? Oh yeah. You know, like that. But you see how easily she's persuaded though to get it off of Kyle because

Kyle is an easy vote and I love Kyle but clearly like Kyle he's just not a gamer right I mean he's athletic he's great he's likable but he's not locked into the game how he should be so it's like I

in my opinion it's like Kyle who comes to the end with me let's go but the reason why Sue was cool switching on Kyle is because she really ruts with Gabe. So now you see that two-coup three, right? A three is a good block going

into, because then you get kind of in the middle, right? Because let's say Kyle's an accessory. It's kind of like Reba where Reba had four. You have the two-coup three. Kyle is in. You know, a good vote, you know. Thank you for your vote. I don't know if he's part of that three

because you don't need as many numbers moving forward when there's less people in the game. Like, that's the thing. So having that solid three, you have an expendable person who is a big threat that everybody can get consensus around. And that's the things you need around this part to kind of get to the end game where you can need around this part to get to the end game where you can really figure out

how to get to the end. I think it's a great move. I got to say, because the looming thing with this is Genevieve. I kind of... I feel it coming. Go ahead. I feel it coming I feel it coming

television wise I love this episode from Genevieve she's clearly got that dog in her she's got notes of like Kim Spradlin Kelly Wentworth Genevieve is a great player get it out Jack

just get it out now I think she's good enough where it might not matter as far as her potential to win, but I actually don't think this was... I agree with Wendell here. I do not think this was the right move for Genevieve. Now, she's good enough that she can still go and

win. I think it's a bad move for Genevieve. Lavo was playing in the middle very well. She takes out Saul who was not looking at her at all. She's not Lavo. It's the merge. She is not Lavo. That's how you get to the end of the game. I mean, we've seen multiple seasons recently if a tribe from the pre-merge can stick together and play in the middle

effectively. One tribe. 44, 45. Reba had the majority for... They came in with four people. No, they had six and they got rid of their two people they didn't really care for before the jury started

pre-merge merge they're just here okay what I'm trying to say is like the strategy she's playing with right now is where like she has big people around her to take up take up space and take up you have enemies in the game where sue still wants kyle out since you have you

have a gimme there right you also have a targeting game because game is in between sue and caroline so you have another two target so like you have these targets on both sides damn super big target on gana so you have these targets where you've been sprinkling seeds to get these people out. So they're going to be juicier and juicier. So that's why I agree that she might be able to still make it all happen. But James, my point here is

those targets, if she doesn't go for Saul, all those targets still exist. She would still have a good relationship with Saul, a good relationship with Teenie. And now the people from Gata and Tuku are still going to be gunning for each other. But now Tuku's inevitably going to tell people that this was Genevieve's plan. Teenie's not going to

trust her for shit anymore. And Genevieve's going to be looked as more of a... Where's Teenie going to go? ...be a bigger threat. Teenie got nowhere to go. I feel like she's in a good spot because I feel like the person that is the strongest, like, from East Tribe that comes feel like the person that is the strongest, like from East Tribe that comes in emerged as the weak, like is the

least kind of, Howard typically gets the most power in the game. I think Teenie is kind of locked in with being last two levels where Genevieve is now her shield, where I think people will go after her and say, hey, Genevieve's there. So I think Teenie's... But that is a

Teenie-specific thing. I don't think Teeny... I don't think Genevieve looks at Teeny as, like, a threat at all. I don't... But, James, you understand now Genevieve has emerged as the biggest lava threat and has, like, reduced her potential. She was always the biggest lava threat. That's why she's running with the big dogs. It's way more now. It's way

bigger now. It's not way more. That's the illusion. Yes, it is. She just orchestrated this whole move against her own allies. No, no. I think now that's the illusion she didn't orchestrate this whole move against her own allies the illusion is that you can vote with people and they still don't want you out Saul put her name on the parchment the first tribal yes this was a good move for Genevieve

yes you had to remember people taking out your number ones yes you had to try to save your number ones that's the survivor I know and love she had to avenge Romy. That's the survivor I know and love. She had to avenge Romy Rome. That's the survivor I love. I will have to agree with Jack a little bit because now it does put her a little bit at a deficit because now she now

would have had a Saul and a Teenie who would have been loyal to her and now... She was at number three. Yeah, but still... That's fine. That's fine. It's a final three I mean I just mean now James

there's so many people in the game who are now going to see that Genevieve orchestrated this move let alone once Tuku or Rachel or Andy blow up her spot of being the orchestrator it's as vibrant as one book like literally stuff happens on the island people forget like in

america we forget about things not gonna go there but we forget about things you're gonna wake up and the key is to remember genevieve remembers so i'll go her name down those are the things you gotta remember who takes out your allies those are the things you need to remember and you forget about everything else so teeny is now gonna be like damn genevieve turn turn on now i still have faith in genevieve because even without teeny in the picture there's still now a big you know like you said some tuku targets some gata targets i still think she could play the middle very well and push the pit those people against each other but i feel like she could kind of already do that and so now she's just turned a couple people against her and shown her hand, I think, a little bit more than she has to.

I'm not saying it's going to be, like, the end of her game. I just think in the vacuum of this vote, I think sticking with a normal plan and taking out, like, a Kyle probably would have been a better move. But we don't just credit that Kyle is still there, right? Like, and so now Kyle is a vote and someone that could potentially I'm just saying that there are still ways

for Genevieve. I also feel like Genevieve clearly through this episode is closer with Sue than we knew. And if you're close to Sue, then it means you're close to Gabe. And if you're close to Gabe, then it means you're close to Caroline. So it's like she is locked in. Right. And if she is locked. That's four.

And if she wanted to, she could then use a Rachel and a Sam and a Kyle to start targeting them. I'm just saying she got an option. I was going to say, if I had to pick a winner still, it would still be Genevieve. So this wasn't

this isn't like putting her game down. I just think this move, I don't know if it was ideal. I would still think she's most likely to win. And I also, television-wise, think it's super entertaining. So I'm very on board the Genevieve trade. I'm a big fan. But I just think looking at the move, I think there was better options.

Jack, I agree with you in this sense. I feel like it makes it harder for her if she gets to, let's say, 6 and 5 to get through those votes. Because people are going to remember who was really pulling the strings at the beginning, right? Because things come together towards the end. But I think

it makes it easier for her to win if she's in the final three. But I mean, you've got to get to the final three. So I think that you got to get to the final three. So I think that five and six is like... But is the goal to get there or is the goal to win the game? And that's the gamble that you see people play. Well, the goal is you got to get there and there.

Right. Let's quote. That's James Jones 101. I was going to say that, James. You're the one who's like, oh, you just got to get to the end. But now she's... No, no.

But do you add the narrative and the story to win? Now, get to the end but now if she's but do you add the narrative and the story to win now get to the like get to the end right you just have to get there right now but if you're going against players you're going to be a zero you're not going to get the votes like so you you have to manage both so if you have the ability to assert some control right you have to kind of keep your foot to the pedal, keep it controlled. That's kind of what Dee did. Or you kind of have to wait at the beginning and kind of, you know, pick up scheme towards the end like the rest of the survivors did in the new era. Yeah. But I think she's at a nice crescendo where you have a dominant trident, Tsuku.

If she gets past like around five or six people may try to come for her but I think at that point she could be I think at that point she then has a nice story to tell the jury and the key is to get to the end and have a nice story to tell the jury so that's my limit I don't think she has a lot of options but yes

okay do we see like we've been talking a lot about Genevieve this is a strong Genevieve episode do we see other players that were like all right like this person can give her some comp this person can give her some go right now uh Gabe well Gabe yes but I Sam Sam's fired up right now right now? Gabe. Andy. I think her big is... I think we got Gabe. I mean,

alright, so maybe it's kind of like he's insulated where people are trying to protect him as a target, which is a hard thing to do in the merge. So like sometimes I watch the show, I kind of think of like the things that I see in between the lines.

It's like when Gabe's name gets brought up, Sue shuts that thing down. Like, those are the allies that you – she's like, I want Kyle out. And second to the beef said, oh, you want a Gabe. No, I can't lose Gabe. Like, that means you're playing – those are the other things. It's not a confessional. But, like, those are the things that get you further in the game. You're right. But here's my one issue. And I've been I've been bigging up Sue this whole time.

Like, wow, Gabe's best move was getting Sue because with Sue, she protects him. However, is it really a protection if you know that Sue's protecting you? Right. Because now it's like we want to get Gabe out. We just won't tell Sue. Right. Like so it almost is like your biggest protection is almost your biggest flaw. And so, because here's the thing. I think with the right amount of pressure, Caroline, Carolyn would flip. Because, and let's also talk about, we can talk about other players like Caroline. Because we haven't seen a lot of her.

She's this nice, wholesome whatever and I think give her a big move to take out a... She a killer. She's one of those people, she's one of those subtle threat people that Genevieve talks about where she will cut your throat at 6'5 and 4'4

and Mariana win this thing. And she'll be like, I'm so sorry, but I had so much fun playing with you and I love you and I can't wait. I hope I like right. And you'll be like, well, damn. I didn't see that in her. Like, yes, she got that dog in her. She got that dog.

Yeah, that's where I feel like it's almost like Gabe and Sue are too attached. Like, yeah, have my back, but don't have my back like that. Have my back where it's like, oh, okay. Yeah, let's get Wendell out. They're trying to get you out. But let's, we got a lot of other things to talk about in this episode.

Can we talk about my man, my man, my man? And D, first of all, clearly we get to the obvious. However, the way we started this episode, I was getting a little sad. I'm like, Survivor, don't play with me. Is Andy going home? Because we see a lot of Andy this episode, him working through his

big move. Also, I love just Andy celebrating his big move. I also think in the thick of it, when Genevieve is trying to roll out a big plan, who's one of the third people she goes to is Andy. When Sam is trying to back that thing up, who is he going to? He's going to Andy. Andy's like, oh, tell me more.

Like, you know, like Andy is in a swing position. You know, like Andy is in a swing position. And that's not the only thing Andy is swinging because when he pull up out that dirt. OK, I was the dirt this episode. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. What you doing? Why does he always end up in these positions? I feel like that's like I feel like that's a I feel like he's in a really good position

like another player that I'm not going to name from the new era where I feel like he's getting a lot of information because of the threat level that people perceive of us and I feel like those players it's so tough to get back on the radar

when other people are on the radar. It's like in the game of Survivor, I think sometimes when you get out there, some people are just good at it. They get on the beach. They don't lose a step. They adapt. Then you have some people

that it takes a little while for them to get there. But they have the same skill level as everybody else but by the time day seven day eight hits they've got their sea legs and they're ready to go now they're even but they have the eight days of perception before them of them necessarily not being as capable and i think that happens a lot and i think you're seeing with andy where and is as capable as any player on that beach in this game through and it just took him a while to get there. Now he's maintaining his low threat level

and this is I don't think anybody on the season thought he was going to be this dangerous watching the season. In fact, the way the season's coming right now. Yeah, I'm liking what Andy, I said it last week, and Andy's keeping it rolling. I like what Andy's doing

with the position he's in. Just worried right now, he could get, I think he's a high likelihood to get to the end, low likelihood to win, but I think anyone watching his game, given his circumstances, can respect the scrap that he's playing with. He's going to get third place.

Ah! No, wait, wait, wait. I will say this. I do think he has a chance, if he makes a move, if he gets a chance to make a big move around like five or six, that's like a swing where you wouldn't say, you would say this is the

round where Mary Ann, I think Andrea had their split. I hate, they don't have these split tribals anymore, thank God. But, you would say this is the round where Mary Ann, I think Andrea had their split. I hate, they don't have these split tribals anymore. Thank God. But, you know, like this is kind of where you wouldn't have thought Mary Ann

would come through and win that season at that point. Right? Andrea had the idol, Jonathan, Lindsey. Oh, so you're looking at it.

So at this point, Andy's in that same position where, okay, Andy may find find idol or advantage hey andy may may fool a trick or rule at five or six and now he has the momentum going in with people saying yeah andy i he's on this plane he's been on the right side of the vote right so i don't really believe in that all the time but it's good something good to say

right compared to people that may not have been. So he has a nice revenge arc story where he has a nice come from the bottom up story. So it's like I was scared of Jesse because Jesse had two kids and he was married. I'm like, I don't want to sit against that at the end. And you have to understand what people may value or not value.

So I think Andy's in the right position right now because there's so much game to be played. We're still two jurors in. And yeah. Yeah, I'm not mad. Like he's getting a lot of information and his name is not really coming up. So he's in a great, great spot.

And he's seen as kind of a free agent. And I thought his decision making this episode was really sound, too. Like I don't think going for Saul was necessarily right now the best move for Andy. But he was able to go with the flow and uh I'm not mad at how he how he played his hand this episode so I think it was it was definitely a good episode for Andy aside from I guess ripping the bag at the challenge but I kind of I don't know if it was just me but watching it it felt like something was funky with Sam and Andy's bag like everyone else got that once they got bag, got it out pretty quick. I don't know if

theirs was dug in deeper or if it was just stuck in the sand. Everyone's blaming it on Andy. For me, and I love Sam, I thought it was really more Sam's issue. Sam's the one that pulled it out. They didn't dig deep enough and

they was both pulling it and Andy fell off of it. So I was cracking up. First of all, Jeff was like, that's on y'all. Shut up, Jeff. Okay. We know that. Like, what did like, was he thinking that they're going to be like, okay, everybody stop. Let them

dig their bag out. Like Jeff, Jeff's be getting a little. Here's my thing. Why do we need to pause in the challenge? Maybe I'm just bitter. I am bitter. Like I was sitting there, me and Ryan waited like an extra 15, 20 minutes.

People get, just run the challenge to the end. We're the first four to get through. And then you go, you don't need this extra break. Well, I think it makes it more dramatic. The losing the vote journey. But I agree with you because A, I think the way that you described it would run better. And B, I'm kind of sick of this losing the vote thing. So that was my first thought.

I guess initial reaction when you said four people losing their votes. Obviously, we didn't realize that the journey would give three back, which was not terrible. But I'm like, just let the vote happen. I'm not mad at this. I'm not mad at this because I said this on, you know, the social media site I'm not supposed to talk about. But I think this also emphasizes the physical aspect of the merge, where at the merge, you know, like, you may have more challenges

and more things like this where you're at nine people, three, three, and three. Like, and three people, like, if you lose, you may have more challenges and more things like this where you have to there are nine people with three three and three like in three people like if you lose you make i think this adds up another element where you're like oh i may not need to get rid of just physical people or the typical you know threat because this person as my ally is going to help me stay safe or get me further in the game and you can't just pick people off early merge because they can lift weights and stuff like that. I am with you, Jack. I don't normally like losing votes.

However, I like with someone losing a vote and specifically it being Caroline, it now became five was the majority. So that kind of really shifted the tides and made this episode a little bit more dramatic and kind of moving around the votes. I do want to talk about this challenge though right like i have been enjoying the new challenges in this new era like i've been loving the the puzzles i've been loving the pieces and putting them together and a combination of it at the end uh huge congratulations to gabe on winning

this challenge i think that in earlier episodes we said that, you know, Gabe was at home practicing like his rainbow and you know, Gabe was doing all of that. And I am a thousand percent certain, along with the one

liners that Gabe was practicing in that basement. That's Ray Lewis, right? I mean, was it? I thought it looked like this. That's what it's supposed to look like, Jack.

I'm not saying what it was or it wasn't. I didn't know where it was going at first. I was looking, but I got it towards the end. But he's tired. Jeff's face, first of all, Jeff stepped back. Jeff said, I thought

it was turkey mating season. I didn't know what the hell Gabe was doing. Gabe just started a trend. Everybody is going to be doing dances after when the media is down. It's over now.

After watching that one, I'm like, I'm telling you. Everybody hitting something. Everybody hitting a move after this. It didn't hit the way Gabe thought it was supposed to. In Gabe's mind, he killed it. He was waiting for the applause, though.

He was waiting for the applause, though. He was waiting for it. I think it was on Sam's face. You can see him Sam was like... Alright. But it was a good challenge. It's a little bit of everything. I kind of like when they have to split up into their own pairs. It's like there's a little bit of a social dynamic to it.

Yeah, I did. The one thing I thought, and maybe this is me, my frontal lobe almost done developing. But when they had to cross the balance beam, I was like, this could be dangerous. Like you fall off. There's like the wooden slabs on the i'm like you know especially it's the last phase people might be rushing if i'm just trying to sprint and like jump and i slip and i go oh don't sprint and jump one of the best things told me don't get hurt yeah survivor hurt i'm so happy bruce was not on this season because things could have got real, real not great.

Yeah, I was nervous about that. Do we need to see their toes? Like, do we need to see their toes? Like, why was there so much toe footage on this episode? Like, I don't remember seeing this many dirty feet in my face in this episode. I'm going to go on record. I'm sorry that Saul got voted out,

but he needs a bunion surgery real quick. Okay, because I know he got to get extra wide shoes because the way that butt I sell. Yeah. I don't, I have great feet.

Y'all are too worried about Saul's soul. yours yet? I don't. I have great feet. I don't know. You guys are too worried about Saul's soul. I swear I saw him right in the pool with them socks on one time. You ain't. James. I'm joking. I'm lying. I'm lying.

I don't want no smoke. It was just a joke. You know, any given chance, I'll let these legs out. And I, no, listen. I put my toes in Jack's pool. Like the piranha. I don't know what that is.

But I put my toes in Jack's pool. That's not great. That's why I was on water. It was cold. Fair enough. Fair enough. Interesting. Yeah, the pool that I built.

What else do we... And then, so this journey challenge, what do we think about that? I liked it. I loved it. I thought, first of all, I'm a killer in Jenga, okay? I'm a killer in Jenga. Okay? I'm a killer

in Jenga. So that's that. So I thought it was great. But I also thought like why if I'm Sam or somebody the way I'm going to put my angle

I'm going to angle one of those ones so far out. Like, I'm starting off. They started doing it. Too late. Yeah, it was all right. I don't know. It was okay.

I think the brilliant part about it was having it be four people. So I think it was just two. It kind of, you allow, I feel like the four was having a critical mass win the challenge and a critical mass lose. I feel like that was just perfect for just what everything was happening. So I'm pretty sure there was more strategy talk

during the card game than we were, like we saw, you know? And I think, you know, that's just a good game mechanic they threw in there. It's kind of like having a mini split tribal, but you kind of have me testing the waters and then you're bringing people together, which I kind of like.

Yeah, and it's, like you guys referenced earlier, it's these three different groups. No one's really going to hatch a plan about someone in their little group because you're trying to come to some consensus. Unless it's Genevieve. They're coming back. Well, but I mean, Genevieve and Sue. I was just joking, Jake.

Yeah, there's going to kind of be two to three different names when they all come back to camp already circulating as a plan. So like you guys said, I think that really lent to the chaos that ensued. I also think what lent to the chaos two things, right? When Sam told Soul

that it was going to be him, right? Soul was playing this game, right? Like he didn't care if it was Kyle, if it was Sue, like he was pressing the issue. And I respected that about him because it's like, he literally was like,

I've been through the ringer with Rome and I'm not about to go home with y'all just saying my name. So I really loved how Saul was pressing the issue. And but I also thought that that was the problem where the second somebody would say another name, as long as it wasn't his name, he's like, all right, I'm good with it. I'll go rally the votes. Then he go rally the votes. And they're like, well, it's Jack. All right, I'm fine with that. I'll go rally the votes. Like,'ll go rally the votes and they're like, well, it's Jack. Alright, I'm fine with that. I'll go rally the votes. I thought he should have stuck a little

harder. They didn't really lock in a name. Right, but he just was so trying to get the like, you know, he just farted and was trying to get the smell off of him. But it's like, no, when you move so fast like that, the smell follows. I also think

Go ahead, Jack. I said Saul needed that Gabe relationship. You had to figure out who has the power of the tribe. Genevieve was like, I got cool with, you know, I got this Gabe thing, I got this Sue thing. So she's plotting that way, like, okay, like, friendship is great, vibes are great,

but where does the power lie and how can you align yourself with the power you know, to get what you want as opposed to trying to create a power structure and you align yourself next to a power structure and that structure can also kind of give you some shield food for thought

is there maybe something we're missing of Saul because right like it seemed like I thought him and Genevieve had this good relationship like it seemed like I thought him and Genevieve had this good relationship like it's like was was Rome wrong

Bryce Bryce Bryce Bryce if someone writes their name down you ever gonna forget I mean yes and no but also it's a game of not you Bryce no you are whatsoever you are the most

faithful, non-grudgy person I know. I'm growing, and I like to think in a game for a million dollars, if I had the chance to do it again, I would have learned from my mistakes and know that, like, you gotta roll with the punches. And so, I'm just

saying, like... If you get the chance to play again, and you got to roll with the punches. And so I'm just saying, like, I... No, no, no. If you get the chance to play again, and you're out there on the beach, and the first vote on the beach, someone puts that Bryce Isaiah with a heart around it, and you still stay, and they still stay, they going to be your bestie?

They will not be his bestie. Bryce will not like that person. I think Bryce has grown. We're going to make it work until it's time to get him out. The circumstances of Saul voting Genevieve in the first vote were not that. I think

that's a forgivable level. And obviously, whatever that was, it clearly formed some sort of bond since then i mean genevieve helped saul stay after that and so yeah i just thought that's part of why i thought it was not a great vote is saul and teeny seemed like pretty attached to genevieve and then she just burned both of those connections james james this of, like, you have to remember things. Like, Gabler held and they went through his bag for, like, nine days. And the first time he got the chance to burn, hell, he did.

Like, people, like, that's the game. Like, you're going to play nice with the person that's there, but they wrote your name down and they wanted you out. The circumstances change. Not those. Once they put pen to parchment to name of yours, they are not your ally. I think we need to go back into Survivor history and somebody will do it.

How many times has someone wrote your name down and you end up going to the end with them? How does this guy see it? Someone's going to research it for us. I think probably more than you would expect. Probably, it's 40 seasons, but somebody's going to get on it. Yeah.

And I also think of how the vote shucked out, right? Like, we clearly have people wanting to play a game and wanting to make their own moves, but it is very clear, and maybe y'all can help me decipher this, is it because now it's the jury? And like, are we worrying about our resume? Because like for me, I'm like. Why are we seeing Kyle's name down? Like it seemed like everybody just wanted to be with everybody.

Everyone wanted to be on the right side of this vote. And I guess that's why it was so stressful, because it's like, I guess I don't want to leave a stray out there for Kyle. And then Saul goes home. Now Kyle's like, who wrote my name down? But like, I felt like I was a little shocked that with all of the chaos, how it came to a unanimous decision. I think one of the things that we don't see a lot of is just like, if you're on the wrong side of the vote, just throw a stray and lie. like, if you're on the wrong side of a vote, just throw a stray and lie. Like, literally,

like, I don't think we, it's like, no one, like, no one knows who voted for who. Your vote should vote. I don't understand, like, because people say, oh, yeah, why would I do this? Like, hey, no, this is how I voted. You can believe what you want to believe, and who's the better liar, who's the better truth teller? Your truth, my truth. It's Survivor.

You know, so I think that we don't see it that often, but I think it'll be interesting because people think they know who's voting for him. It's like, no, like, why did you even, if I'm teeny,

maybe you throw a straight vote at somewhere else. You don't want to be crying voting for Saul. You don't want for Saul. So maybe you throw a vote somewhere else and then you're crying

and you're like, I clearly voted for Saul. I'm crying. How do you spell Saul? S-O-L. There were some interesting spellings. How did Kyle spell Saul?

I don't know. How do you spell it? Period. S-A-L. And then I think Sam spelled it S-A-O-L. Or S-O-U-L and then I think Sam spelled it S-A-O-L or S-O-U-L or something

you gotta pull the code and answer my spelling name I mean I think those are alright spellings S-A-U-L that's like Saul and S-A-L I mean Kyle was probably like you know rhymes with tall and that's T-A-L-L.

But to your point, you asked a good question. How did it end up being a unanimous vote? I mean, I felt like here, maybe this A, it kind of echoes off your point of they didn't come together in locking a name. Saul was kind of like, we could do Kyle. We could do Sue. And they were kind of like we could do Kyle we could do we could do suit like and they were kind of back and forth and so when you don't know obviously I think then the swing votes like Andy Rachel and then I guess Genevieve was perceived to be a swing vote but she was kind

of always going to vote Saul you know they probably dispersed some information to to Andy Rachel and then over to Teenie and Sam of like oh it doesn't look like we have the votes like let's just do saul and that's kind of and then that's just the once everyone hears that once it's like all right like that's that's what we'll do and no one wants to be left out i do think this tribal more than any anyone recently is but you know obviously with a lot of tribal i realize how realized how much seating at tribal council matters, right? Like, you kind of want to be back row in the

middle, and you can kind of hit everybody, but... You shouldn't be able to talk in tribal. Like, you get up and make it a live tribal, but that whispering, like, no, yo. I used to not be able to allow to. Not in my tribal. I didn't mind, but sometimes it's too much but this time

but anyway like whether you know under the assumption it is allowed like it is currently it's it's like I was looking at Teenie on the end trying to look down at her like one ally like let's go try to talk to Gabe and Gabe just

giving her bold faced lies and Teenie's like come on now you can tell because Gabe was like it's Kyle and Teenie was like what? I don't know who Teenie who was Teenie sitting next to

Gabe and Sam so maybe when Teenie was talking to Sam and you could see Andy's face in the background trying to read their lips in, you could just see the blurry Andy line. That's why

once someone starts talking behind my back, I'm getting up. I'm not answering no more questions. You're not having no side conversations behind my back. That's why I love Caroline the best, because when Caroline was talking, and it was whatever, and Caroline was like, well, Jeff, you know, for

me, that means that, you know, you making noise, you scared, and you really don't have a plan. Like, I really feel like Caroline was talking-ish, and they didn't even peep it, because Caroline was basically saying, like, they doing whatever they doing, but my feet are planted. I'm locked in.

I'm good. Y'all, my hymen is weak. I didn't have a vote. Them showing that confidence definitely helps probably create that unanimity of all of them being like, damn, four or five of them aren't scrambling.

We're all scrambling, but we don't even have a plan. Let me just get on board with the people that are chilling. You say unanimity? Yeah, like unanimity. That might not be a word. Unanimousness. No, unanimity is a word.

Not the way you just said it. Unanimity. Unanimity. Why that sound freaky? You going to come over here and do that unanimity? That's only you. That's you, bro. Unanimity.

We going to get the unanimity tonight. You. Yeah, I hit it. Do you like whispering in tribal? Yes and no. You! Did I like Whisperin' in Tribal? Yes and no. Maybe because I am from an older season, you know, the best season of all.

The one tribal that I did participate in in my career, we were explicitly told there was no side talking and that there would be ramifications if we were so it wasn't like oh like we like

from what I remember you finished at the beach we were on lockdown was Game Changers the first live travel but I'm cool with live travel I'm talking about like you whispering like behind my back and I can't see what's

happening if you outlaw some whispering that's just going to make more live travels where people are going to get up and start whispering and then they can't really get any of it if Jeff says sit down you're going to sit down but you just said you should be allowed to get up and have a live travel

if Jeff says I'm saying if you're going to lie whispering then you need to get up and have a lot of trouble. No, no. If Jeff says, I'm saying if you want, like, if you're going to lie whispering, then you need to get up. Like, if you're going to, I know. If Jeff says sit down and be quiet, people are going to sit down and be quiet.

But I'm saying, if you're saying no sitting and whispering, they have to get up and go whisper. No, I don't, I don't want any of it. But if you want to do it, you have to get up

and you need to declare where you're going. Dang, dang. So that's, so you're saying, they would get up and do it. But then I think that's that's harder to track than if they're just sitting and whispering, like even if it's audio wise. There was a travel at Winters at War that was live, but no one could hear anything. I don't know. Was was one doing that one?

I think it was maybe a little bit, a couple after. Look, to answer your question, James, I like a live tribal, but when it feels really necessary and you kind of feel the chaos, like if it's the third episode of Cagayan doesn't need to be a live tribal.

Hey! I don't need every episode like, I don't need every episode like I don't need every episode like it's gonna be whatever like a relatively simple though and everyone's like because then you kind of lose the plot but look if no one really knows what's happening and you need to

do a little discussing then I mean I don't mind it as long as we can kind of track what they're talking about now look I don't mind it as long as we can kind of track what they're talking about. Now, look, I don't mind if a world where it's no whispering, whatever, you've got to say your out loud. That could be interesting, too, because then it's like you need to scramble. You really put yourself out there.

I want to see the lie. They're whispering. I want to be able to say, see, I want to be able to track who's lying to who during these little side conversations you're not able to see all of them so you've won and that's the thing for me is like if you're going to do it then I want to see I want to see the captions I want to see that as each one kind of goes during that little period so I'd give you one

that's the downside with them but them getting up and whispering is not going to fix that so it's either no whispering or you know it's it's a balance no whispering is my vote but i think that's a fair preference that's okay yeah it would be interesting because you know if there's no whispering then they would feel if they want to scramble they got to talk out loud that might dissuade a lot of them from talking out loud so a tribal like this you wonder what might change do you do Sam and

Teenie vote where you crack a egg you see something that starts touching the nerve you like if people can but then people can't defend themselves you're like well Kyle told me this this and this did you not you're like Kyle said he wanted to sue out tomorrow like ain't no whispering you know it's like this don't think he want to sue out tomorrow like

ain't no whispering you know it's like this is what I said so I'm doing this you may be able to crack an egg or two where people are like I'm voting for Kyle yes wow could be funny right you know do it what you want

however it was a super sad loss to see our guy. Yeah, it was a bummer. He was my favorite. He was a good character. It's the look, winter pick, the hair, the quintessential winter pose, the bright colored shirt. Like, my man got style in class.

her pose, the bright colored shirt, like, my man got style in class, and... Okay? And I can burp like him. That was not a... You've been holding that thing in this whole podcast? That is wild.

That is wildly disgusting. And, because I am sad that Saul is gone, hold on. That is wildly disgusting. That was gross. Because I am sad that Saul is gone. Hold on. That is wildly disgusting. Hold on. Hold on.

Y'all can keep talking. Yo. How is Bryce manufacturing these burps? Like, yo. That's not a burp on command Wendell but look at oh man oh shot salute

like where did you learn that and why like why did you learn how to do that huh like where is that skill tangible like like why do you know how to do that huh why like where is that skill tangible like no

yo nevermind I don't want to know when you're doing a little you need to be I don't want to know I don't want to know when you got a leaker and a spreader. Ah! Oh, man. I thought this was a family podcast.

Well, again, Saul, we were rooting for you, good brother. You know, maybe we will be able to have a shot in a city soon. I've had a shot with

all the good peoples. But maybe we'll have a shot in a city anyway. I can't think of anything else that rhymes with C. Cinemanimity. But listen, it's been a great episode.

James, we are so grateful to have you here with us. We look forward to seeing you in Philadelphia at the Bryce and Wynn stop the night before Thanksgiving. Jack, we will be partying with Christine in Chicago. Chicago? I told you my girl popping out. I thought if anything, it would be New York.

My girl Christine popping out. You know something I don't? You know me? If I guess, would you tell me? Don't blow my spot up. But it's been great. We're in Chicago next week

so grab your tickets to the Bryce and Win present tour 47. It's been a time. We'll see you next week. Great episode. Thanks you everyone for listening and watching. See y'all. It's the Purple Pants. It's the Purple Pants. It's the Purple Pants podcast. You better get your headphones and

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