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Episode Date: March 21, 2025

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and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's recap of Survivor Season 48, episode four. Whew, the baby boys are back this week and we've got a lot to get into. We had an amazing episode, but listen, if you've been anywhere, you know the podcast has had a busy, busy, stressful week.

The Jack Shack was under attack. And so we get into this crazy week that we've had. Jack addresses the haters, and we get into the episode and so much more. So listen, let's get in to this week's Survivor News. ["SURVIVOR NEWS THEME SONG"] What is going on? Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News, dot, dot, dot, dot. What is going on? Your Baby Boys are back delivering your weekly dose

of Survivor News covering Survivor Season 48, episode four, The Baby Boys. I feel like I just seen The Baby Boys, but we are back fresh from Nashville, the winner of Ghost Island and the first. Don't you want to do that right now? The winner of Ghost Island. You're not the winner of Ghost Island.

Go ahead. I'm the winner of Ghost Island, but don't go to the files right now. Jack, I haven't admitted it. Last night he said, you're not the't admitted it. Last night, he said, you're not the first Merge boot. What? You must have been under the influence. The influence of Siva, I'm not sure

of what you're talking about, but we have the winner of Ghost Island and the first Merge boot, Wendy Z. Holland. Let's like, okay, hold on. What do you have? I don't, we're starting to, unconventional. What do you have, Wendell? I so on when, I so on when.

Okay, Bryce Isaiah. Wait, what? I don't know how you got on the front of this car. I so on when. I will turn on my windshield wipers right now. Okay. When do is not the first. Merse. You were.

I don't understand how you can take any of that serious if I am on the front of a car and you're recording, that seems dangerous, so no. You were holding him up there. Right, that is not admissible. I didn't tell him to get on a windshield. Survivor News, but listen, Wendyzy, enough of you. Welcome to the ring.

Okay. Hailing in from CT Connecticut by the way of a Los Angeles in the heavyweight champion of the circle season two. Let's welcome to the podcast. Jackree! Yes! Oh, I'm already fired up.

Just see you guys. You guys wind me up and let me go. Somebody said in the YouTube comments, they said their favorite part of Survivor News is us ganging up on Jack like clockwork for no reason. Well, listen, the Survivor News has expanded because the baby boy Jack had a week, okay? 10-9-8-10-6-5-4-3-2-1. The baby boy Jack had a week.

Okay. 10, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. Jack, listen, y'all know we got a lot to get into, but listen, the baby boy Jack has had a week, y'all. Y'all been beating Jack up from the left to the right. If it's not one thing, it's another. But like, listen, let's kick it off. Because we say after last week's episode took to the streets of X and said, My first order of business will be getting on this Purple Pants podcast and having a clear conversation with Jack because this man is always loud and wrong. First of all, I feel like we need some

Purple Pants podcast merch and I think I might have to have Tricky create a shirt that has loud and raw. And from there, Jack, the dog piling on the Jack shack commenced, it didn't just stop there. Jack fell some type of way about spoilers. Okay, that went left. You got Tevin, AKA Kamala, still tweeting Jack to this day. Then the baby boy Robert and Chappelle went on Club Condo and had a thing for Jack as well. But listen, I heard it. I screenshotted it and sent it to Jack.

Jack acted like it wasn't a big thing. Then come to find out when DZ, Jack was in club condo writing paragraph. It could not be a huge thing. And I could still respond. Nah, you had to. No, no, no, it was a great, I knew I've been getting ready all week

preparing to talk about all this stuff. We can go one thing. I don't know where you guys want to start. I have a lot to say. Where do you guys even want to start? Because I'm ready to defend my I have some I have some things I'm ready to defend myself. I'm ready to admit some some

some I have a lot. It's not all going to be me standing 10 toes down, but I'm going to be standing nine toes down. And maybe my little pinky toe. Bryce. A little bit. Wendy's feeling. The only thing I'm saying Bryce,

I'm glad that finally for once in life, the dog piling ain't on me. Okay. Classic Wendell. Okay. We got classic Wendell and now we got loud and wrong. Jack. Okay. We got classic window and now we got loud and wrong. Jack. Okay. Jack, the floor is not lava this week, but the floor is yours wherever you want to go,

wherever you want to take it. But I do just want to say because there was a dog piling on Jack this week and did I love it? Yes. But I will just say one thing, right? Jackie is our baby boy. And listen, you win the posse. If you're part of the posse, you can join in on the fun.

But if you're not a part of the posse, we don't play about our baby boy. So let's just be clear on that real quick. OK, because it's all fun and games. And when it's fun and games, we're going to have fun and games. But let me just be clear. We don't play about our baby boy. And I don't want to have to get active in these streets.

But I do want to say before you take the floor, Jack, there was a black queen that was in the YouTube comments. And she said, as a member of the Jack Shack, I will help Jack get ready for any fight he needs. And so I just want you to know, Jack, you know, you, the Jack Shack got beat up, but the Jack Shack was looking like Thomas's eye.

Okay. Look, the Jack Shack members, it's a silent member. You know, we, all right, let me relax. We move, we move, we're not, I might be loud and wrong, but the Jack Shack moves silent and right, so, and they come correct. So I appreciate you guys looking out. Man, it was a crazy, crazy week.

When this all started breaking out Saturday too, I was on set for this pilot as well. So I was, it was a whirlwind of a day. I kind of liked it because we had a lot of downtime during the day on set and this kept me very entertained. There's literally like so many things I have to address that I'm gonna be, I feel like I just got canceled and this is like my press conference of apologizing for everything that happened

so but I'm not fully apologize all right so let me start with some good window did he just say let me. With the good things. Okay. A lot of you might've known that Mary and I perhaps had a little bit of beef. I'd like to announce that beef is officially squashed. Mary and I talked it out. I believe so. Mary and I talked it out and you know, I apologize for communicating my thoughts poorly. Mary said that she thought about it more and thought that she kind of over, I don't want to put words in her mouth, but from kind of over

reacted to what I said. I said I was messing with her. Like I'm a Mary fan and we're cool. And I'm always cool for a little friendly beef. And I don't mind if someone claps back at what I have to say. So Mary, I'm cool with Mary. One of my favorites on the season. Regarding, regarding the season. Favorite, but not athletic. Two things can be true. Cool, I'm not, okay, not, not on athletic, but I can, I can, I can stand by generally what I, look,

it wasn't, and also learning more about Kevin's injury. I wasn't fully right about that. But given what I knew at the time, I thought it was a reasonable point to me. And it was something I threw out that I just postulated and posed to you guys. Like, could this be, could this be a thing? It wasn't like Mary is not going to chat. So and then more information came out. It's not

a big deal. I think I think Mary is hilarious. I think she's playing a good strategic game. I don't think she's Jonathan Young out there, but like that's that's not my criteria for who I really like. I love I'm a Sandra fan. Sandra would be the first one to tell you she's not the most I'm not comparing those two athletically. No, a window is Jack bringing Sandra in there. Watch out because the Queen will get you. I'm cool.

I'm cool with that. I'm sorry. I mean, very well, I think what I'm saying, I think Sandra would be the first to tell you, you know, she she'll be the first to volunteer to sit out. But that doesn't mean she's not a great player and that she's not hilarious and like a great one of the one of the all-time greats okay cool and then with um the spoiler thing i feel like and also i want to uh like uh i hope i hope people don't misinterpret my passion about all of these things don't misinterpret my passion about all of these things with like anger, right? So I feel like a lot of people last week, you know, I got very passionate, very excited. And I

feel like some people misinterpret that as me like being trying to like being like calling people out, whatever. Nah, I'm just excited. Okay. But with the spoiler thing, I can see how, you know, with that passion last week, it came across as a little bit like aggressive or entitled or whatever. I maintain that look, like obviously I know that there are gonna be spoilers online and that myself and other people need to do our best to stay offline to avoid those spoilers.

With that being said, with that being said, I could also say if you're gonna like right when the episode ends on Easter time, it would be nice, it would be a considerate thing to not post spoilers because sometimes people slip up and that really sucks when you get spoiled or just put like a little bit of a disclaimer, right? And people made points that like it's good for building community, it's good for people to be allowed to discuss and that's a valid point and that's why I'm walking back on my stance a little bit.

But at the same time, like, can we can we not be mindful and be a little bit considerate? Like, I maintain that that's a fair thing to say, because it people I feel like people were saying that I was asking just for me not to be spoiled. Like that is ridiculous. There's 16 percent of the country lives in the Pacific time zone. And I think most of them would agree. Of course we try to stay offline.

16%. Oh, Jack. Jack said, listen, the 16%. Okay. I had to be my read, 16%. We all know to stay offline. Like I'm not going on Reddit reading everyone's posts, but even Reddit has time sensitive spoilers so that you

don't log on and just get spoiled. Because we all agree that spoilers suck. And I think we know on the Pacific coast to stay offline, sometimes myself or others slip up. And that's just why I would be considerate to not just be posting spoil. But I can admit I posted a poll on my own Instagram. Every time I could join the people said I was in the wrong. And when that happens, I'm happy to adjust my view. I'm not just going to be like, if the majority of people can agree on something, I can realize that there's some validity in that point.

Right. So those are all the things I wanted to like pivot my stance on. What I'm not going to get my stance on. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I got time today. Did you hear the bass in his voice? When he said. Oh, no problem. Okay. I'm gonna pull up the screen. Okay. With this whole, the say tweet. And I look, I feel like, I mean,

say has been active on Twitter for a few months. So I get that it's not maybe just a me thing. Like this could be fun. It's a fun beef, whatever. not maybe just a me thing. Like this could be fun. It's a fun beef, whatever. But to say that I'm always, always, look, I'm the type, I love,

I think a lot of things are very nuanced and I don't like to look at things as black and white. But to say that I'm always loud and wrong when if you listen to the last episode, I actually think I said an overwhelmingly positive things about Set. I said that I thought in the last episode, I actually think I said an overwhelmingly positive things about said. I said that I thought in the Green Tribe, she performed the best of anybody that episode. I thought she said that she fought for her life at tribal council pretty much perfectly.

It made some really good points. But she latched onto my only critique, which is that it was ridiculous to say that you knew it or that you told, like I told you so to everybody when the shot in the dark is literally not something that you can predict. And given that, like her plan was that she would split a vote, well then if you knew it, then you could have split your vote. Like no one was stopping. And so for her to say, I'm always loud and wrong,

well, if I'm always wrong, then all of my positive comments about her must also be wrong. I was genuinely confused. I said so many good things. For her to latch onto the one thing that I think is objectively correct of me saying it's a bad look to say, oh, I knew it when first it looked as though she was saying, oh, I knew Mary had an idol, which wasn't true. And then that the shot in the dark was going to hit. I just said, there's no way to know that. And then all of a sudden, like, so I can respect her and look, I would love to have her on the podcast. There's so many things that happen that we don't see. Oh, we don to have her on the podcast. There's so many things that happen that we don't see.

So if she wants to come on and clear that up and say, oh, this was more the context of what happened, I'm open to changing my mind. But to say that I'm always loud and wrong when I think 80% of the things that I said were good about her, it's like, did you not listen to the rest of the podcast? Like, I'm confused. Also, again, like I'm sure especially

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Jack, real quick, yes or no? Did Cedric make the right decision? No. Wait, wait, wait. This is not a crazy thing to say. I said last week that Cedric burned bridges with Say, and we saw this week Say began to distrust Cedric and throw him under the bus and align herself with Mary.

That this isn't, shouldn't even be a discussion. And it's not a bad decision because he kept like because of anything to do with Say. It's a bad decision because he voted for her twice and got rid of his number one. That I think Say would actually agree with me that my point of him burning that bridge, it's going to hurt his relationship with Se. And we see that that's already the case. So I don't like, yeah, I mean, what I said last week, to the point of me being always loud and wrong, my prediction of what would happen when I from last week is being realized this week already, because Se is throwing Cedric under the bus and not as tight with him, right?

We can all agree on that. And so, sorry, where was it? But yeah, I just feel like- Wait, are you reading? Did you write a statement? No, I'm just, you guys are on the side of my screen, so I'm looking on the side of the screen. You guys have notes.

No, it's so, again, like always loud and wrong, but like the things that I've been saying are mostly seem to be true. And of course, obviously I can understand why the players, we don't know all the information, right? But our job as podcasters is to take what we see happen and just discuss it. And we're not going to know everything. So obviously we're going to be wrong a lot.

Like I've been wrong a ton. And that's just like the name of it. But that's like the name of the game. Like if we were just to sit here and say, well, everybody's doing a great job. Like we love everybody. Like nobody's making any mistakes. It's survivor. Like 17 of those people are going to mess up and lose.

So it wouldn't be very interesting podcast if all we had to say was good things. If we never critiqued anybody, right? So I, and then this is where I was frustrated with Rob. Well, I'll tell you what happened. Oh, wait, I went, oh, ha ha. What is that? You calling me Rob? Wait, time out, we got left.

Whoa, okay, listen Rob, okay. I didn't think that what Rob and Chappelle said was at all like disrespectful to me. But Rob was talking about like, and it's a fair, one of his points was that if he was as a player, if he was in Say's shoes, that hearing people that have not played Survivor comment on your game and tell you what you should have done would be frustrating.

And I can agree with that, but the thing is our podcast is not designed for me to be telling the players what they should have done. It's for our audience of thousands of other people that didn't play Survivor and want to hear analysis. And so if Say chooses to listen to our podcast, then you're opening up the opportunity to maybe hear some things that you don't like. And it's never my intention to personally put anybody down. I've never once spoken poorly about any single player

from a personal standpoint. It's always game related. And so if I say 80% good things and then 20% bad, and you choose to latch onto the 20% bad, then maybe you're projecting. I don't like, I don't know what to say. Right? I mean, look, anyone who chooses to do like, it's not like I'm calling them up or going up face to face and being like, Oh, you should have done this. You shouldn't like that's just bad form.

But on our podcast, where it's our opinions, I'm going to give my opinion. And like, oh, you slinging. Oh, you slinging. I have a lot to say. And also, like not that this is what Say was saying or but I did see other people online like. What were they saying?

Insulating that me having issues with says gameplay or saying Mary was on athletic, that that was like somehow much misogynistic. And I don't even want to dwell on that because I, I don't want to like harp on it too much, but I think that's ridiculous. I like last season, who did I give the most crap to on the podcast? Probably Gabe, right? Season 43, when Gabler won, I think I gave Gabler the most poor reviews. And obviously I was wrong about that because he won. Think about season 40, winners at war. I was all over Ben Drereeber again, saying that his gameplay was terrible. And so like in the day and age of Survivor when over half like at least half the cast is going to

be, you know, people of color. Obviously half the cast is going to be women. There's going to be like just because I critique someone like the if I have criticism for someone, like, chances are, you know, like, it's not personal. Like, I've critiqued all, I've criticized all sorts of players. And so just because this season it happens to be say, like, I just want to dispel that. Like, it's just that to me felt ridiculous. And that's where I sort of took issue because I don't like that being thrown at me without any sort of evidence, you know? Like if it was a pattern, then sure.

But like it's just, I've given criticism to all sorts of people. So, can I respond to that? Yeah, I know I've been going. No, but Jack, the floor is yours. Pop off. My one criticism, because listen, here on Survivor News, we keep it real, is Jack misogynistic? Absolutely not, right?

However, do you have some bias? A little, right? And like, but here's the thing, like that's from your lived experience and I'm not mad at that. Do I have some bias? Absolutely, right? And so are you not open to hearing other people's opinions

and thoughts and like you come from a specific, like you are a heterosexual white man and that like, you know, you have a view. And so like, and there's nothing wrong with that, right? And like you speak your view. One of the best, that's why we're friends, right? Like it's like, we don't agree a lot. We fight a lot.

Like, and so it's like, are you massage-listic? Massage-listic? Massage? Oh my word. Massagenistic, absolutely not, right? But do you have some blinders? Absolutely, we all have blinders. And I think that to some people, maybe it rings a little louder.

But like, Jack, you're a great person. You love everybody. Yeah. You know, but like, yeah, I can accept that feedback. And it's always something I'm trying to work on. But at the same like. If like, of course, we all have our subconscious biases, but I think that applies to everybody. And so, and like I said, I've cited instances where I've criticized straight white guys.

And so just because right now it's happens to be, I not only want to get on the weeds on it, but like everyone can get the smoke. Like it's not, um, as far as it goes to less about this particular instance and more about I guess, maybe you're saying like general, my stance on things, I'm very open to working on that. But I just would hate for this, this, this beef to get twisted in any sort of way. And I don't think that it is though, right?

Like I think that, of course you see some comments, but like, let's be clear. Like I think, I don't think that it's that. Yeah, I'm not saying that the majority, like it's probably a very, very, very few, but I just wanted to address that. Cause that bothers me. Cause I try my best, you know,

to be as welcoming and accepting of all sorts. And you absolutely are, though. So like, we're not questioning that, Jack. And again, I don't like. It's a couple of people in this world I don't play about, right? OK, it's Barb. It's Wendy. It's little Kim. It's Wendell.

And it's Jack. I don't, you know, I don't play about my baby boy. And I don't surround myself with people that are like that. And so like, I don't want you, this is lighthearted and fun, Jack. And so like, and here's another thing. Jack be a little sensitive sometimes, right? Like Jack say what he say, but he do be a little sensitive.

And so I do want to be sensitive to your feelings and your emotion, but like you're very much celebrated and appreciated Jack. We don't agree all the time. And that's like the best thing about us is. So I just want to say that. I have been wondering from each other too. Absolutely, Wendyzy you want to,

time out Jack, cause now we're almost 30 minutes in Jack. And I don't think Wendy TZ has said anything, you're going to comment. I'm just saying, Bryce, can you say misogynistic again? Massage my mistake. That was beating you up worse than the internet. No way, Jack. But Wendell, chime in like. Jack, you're our brother.

We love you. We all have our biases, you're right. And Bryce and I like to joke about yours, but at the end of the day, we know you're well-intentioned. We know that you speak what you feel on this pod and we love you for that. And so does the Jack Shack. And then the haters that are out there,

they gonna hate on you and it's a beautiful thing because we love that too. Yeah. Shout out to the Jack haters. For sure. Well, yeah, no, I appreciate it. I know you guys like think that, I don't know, like I, not like, it does, I don't know like I

not like it does I'll be it bothers me sometimes the way that Like you guys are trying to like emphasize that I have these like for example When we did our survivor all-stars draft you guys were constantly joking. Oh like oh, he's gonna pick all the straight white guys. Like, my last kick was like, I don't think I had a single straight white guy on my team. Right. And so and like my favorites this season, and you guys like joke about who are my favorites gonna be. This season, it's like, Kyle Thomas and star. So it's like, you guys say all these like, like, and I know you mean it well, and it's like lighthearted. But I feel like it does sometimes perpetuate this narrative that I don't agree with. And so I don't like,

I think the whole thing is like, the beauty of the diversity initiative that you guys helped to institute is that you see yourself represented on screen more. And that's really fun. To me, I always, growing up, I was just like, you wanna see people that look like you. And sometimes there's someone that reminds me of myself. Obviously, usually they might be more physically similar to me. But you're like, oh, that could be.

But for anybody else, they're gonna have the same reaction with people that are similar to them. And so who I root for, I don't also think is like an indicative of any biases. It's just like, this is the person I relate the most to. And like this season, I think the person I relate the most to is probably Kyle. And so I mean, what can I say? I'm a bro, but it doesn't have anything to do with. Yeah, I always just enjoy like putting myself in a certain player's shoes

and kind of thinking about how I would maneuver. So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure that I stand by pretty much like everything. Like within the last 20 minutes, I stand by everything I said. I don't know if I'm not saying that it was all necessarily 100% right or accurate, but that's the best I think I could defend myself. I just don't like, I know say it was like, it partly seemed to be fun, right? Like it's not like just say it like, you know, it's not like, oh, I hate Jack Akin. Like it's okay. Like it's, it's not that big a deal. But I just, my, my, basically my rebuttal

is like, well, I've said so many good things. Even my commentary on Cedric's decision last week already proving to look true in the eyes of Say. So just, it's like, clearly I'm not always loud and wrong. Um, and then also it's like, I'm not always loud and wrong and then also it's like obviously I can understand say being frustrated and Rob for that matter of like oh We don't know everything going on. It would be hard to listen to you know, someone like myself commenting on it But like that's the whole point like is that not the point of you know, of course It and maybe say will come in and shed some light on things that we weren't aware of. And then I can be like, Oh, damn, I didn't know that. Like that. Okay.

Like that changes things. Like that's literally the whole point of us talking about what we see in the episode. Like we can't talk about things that we literally don't know happen. So we're going to be wrong a lot. And like, that's kind of the point. And then I don't know. Also, like for me, I don't know if it was meant to be like he questioned about people that haven't played the game podcasting about Survivor and how that would be difficult to listen to. But like, talk about it. I wonder about how the 90% of people that work for your podcast network that also haven't been on a like survivor would feel about that

opinion. And, and but I don't think that anything he said was incorrect, right? Like if I was a player, I would agree that, oh, well, that person hasn't even played, why should I even listen? Which is valid, and I guess the answer to that is you don't have to listen. But just because someone hasn't played in the NBA doesn't mean that they can't comment on basketball.

It's, you know what I mean? Yeah, but LeBron might pull up on Stevie Nail. Okay, sure, sure. Are you sad? If LeBron's rolling with a bunch of people that have never touched the, like that haven't touched the basketball, then it's a little bit hypocritical.

Oh, and I love Rob. I'm a big fan of Rob. So maybe that's why I was just a little bit like, it wasn't necessarily him, like it wasn't malicious, but I was just like, well, I feel like I'm catching some shade here, but it just felt a little hypocritical. And I respected Chappelle at the end saying that, you know, he and I are in the same boat in that sense. And that doesn't mean that Chappelle has great takes.

So like, I'm all for, you know, if you have good opinions about Survivor, I don't care if you've played or not, because it doesn't take a certain, obviously it takes a former survivor to know all the ins and outs and the nuances, but it doesn't take a certain, obviously, it takes a former survivor to know all the ins and outs and the nuances, but it's not a former survivor to understand basic strategy and to have interesting opinions on it. So now they were at the 30 minute mark. Okay, Jack. Yeah, because Jack, you know, the people about to say, well, I'm sure the people probably were some of them were waiting for my response and so that

but um Like I just if you're a purple pants podcast listener, there's chances are you've heard me catching smoke nationwide the last week and so Nationwide um Well, it was a classic episode so I really really do want to get into talking about it. Yeah, we got to let Wendyzy talk. Thank you. Do we need to put a button on the smoke with the smoke

from last night? Yeah, let me know. You guys called me, but I don't really understand. Oh, my god. Well, first of all, listen, the Baby Boys were in Nashville. Nashville showed up, showed out. The baby boy might have had a little bit too much fun. I had so much fun that I had after the party.

There was an after party. I incessantly were calling Wendy's and Jack. Wendell didn't always pick up. But listen, say what you want about Jack. But he picked up my phone call. Jack was playing some video games. Jack was eating some hot wings with some ranch sauce. Okay, we had a good old time

with the baby boy Jack yesterday. But mind you, then while we was at the, while we was at a watch party in Nashville, okay, a posse member pulled up to me and said, He was at the, while he was at a watch party in Nashville. Okay. A posse member pulled up to me and said, hey, I know Jack's been having a tough week

and I don't want to add onto it. But I want to tell you something. I said, Wendell, come here. Jack, somebody that you was on a date with, swipe right with. Y'all was communicating. But imagine she was a very pretty young lady. I believe her name was Jocelyn. And I guess you kind of sort of ghosted her, but not now.

Listen, y'all, if y'all listening, cannot tell y'all the reason of how Jack ghosted this posse. Okay, just so they connected already. Incorrect, but go ahead. It's a nine to five album, which I gotta defend myself out of. Oh yeah. Well, listen, I guess one of the things that they hinged on was like Survivor.

And, you know, they was chatting about Survivor. I don't know what happened, but essentially Jack was like, I gotta let you go. I can't, I guess there was a date. And then at the last minute, Jack said, I can't make it. Podcast with Wendy and Bryce. That's like the last day. Well, okay. Well, hey, you said this was someone I for maybe from West Virginia and I haven't been.

Yeah, that was the tie. Yeah, they say because Jack is in like two years. So this would have been like a two year old situation. So I sure I what I think happens is look look III Have I mentioned that I am a survivor enthusiast in my hinge profile Say what is it? I Love survivor. I've got buffs

No, I think it's like I geeked out on and I say astronomy and survivor because you know, you got to have a I would love to find a girl with common interests and I love survivor. I love astronomy. I love basketball, poker. And so, you know, any of those things gambling besides one. So and sometimes, you know, because to me, so sometimes girls will be like, oh, I love Survivor 2.

And then you talk about it. And then if the conversation is going on, I'd be like, oh, really nerdy. But like I cohost podcasts, like it's a lot of fun. And that would be- That's like, you use it. So you use that, oh. Well, there's Survivor 2.

But that would never be my mechanism of like, so wait, to the mouth. Ghosting someone. I want to be like, oh, got a got a blast. I got to go podcast. What happened? I mean, it's like you're on a game, you're any dating app. You know that like, wait, like a majority of conversations naturally fizzle out, especially if someone lives in a state that you're in that you don't even live in and then you read.

And so it was never my intention to ghost anybody, but it's hinge. Like conversations die down. I'm sure we were probably talking a little survivor. Maybe I mentioned the podcast and then the conversation fizzled out and it wasn't. Is that how the Jack Shack is growing Jack? Through hinge. Yes. Maybe my, maybe my dating app experiences are a little different because normally it's like room 305.

Doors open. Come inside. Oh no. Face down. Joyce Isaiah. Maybe I need to try Hinge. Okay. There's a little bit different on Hinge. Okay.

That's cool that she was there. Yeah. You guys just called me up like I had broken this door. I was like, I was two years ago. I can't even really say it. How do we call you up, Jack? Hold on. Oh, my God.

Don't you can show it later, but don't show it. I don't want to show other people's faces on the pot You know, but here's the thing though Jack we're It's time someone else gets in sway we are we're just we're just choking her chick Wait, she like first of all, she was there with her boyfriend. She absolutely. She absolutely adores you.

And this comment wasn't made like negatively. It was just like, hey, like, so just just stress. Yeah, no, it sounds like she's cool. Yeah, you guys are the problem. You guys are trying to yank my chain out. Whoa. Not, okay. We're just, we're just some boys choking on chicken.

Listen, whew, we are 37, okay, for the time out. Then last time, last episode, cause as you know, also Jack, shout out to Wendyzy. Wendyzy was in the comments last week. Shocker. Shocker, Wendyzy was in the YouTube comments, but I was cracking up because last week we went like 15 minutes in, you gave a number

and you were like, podcast starts here. Somebody corrected us. They was like, no, 26, 37. So around the 38 minute mark, we will get into the episode. But I do just wanna say we were in Nashville last week, Nashville this week, Nashville was an amazing, despite the weather, we had an epic time.

We had Q, we had Sam, we had Julie, we had Owen. We had a surprise guest appearance from my good, good friend from Ghost Island. Kellan Bechdel walked in the door and we were like. And listen, Kellan don't play about Bryce because Q always makes this joke that Wendell perpetuates and you kind of perpetuated too Jack.

And this gets me a little spicy where it's like, oh, Bryce doesn't drive, I drive. I don't know why. I said, hey Jack, remember that time I picked you up and you were like, no. So I perpetuated just to you? So you perpetuate this lie, but for whatever reason, I don't know why, Like when I defend myself, sometimes it's like I don't need to defend myself.

Because it's like, I know why I drive. However, in the midst of Q, we were leaving on the pregame and Q's like, Bryce, let me walk you to your car because I know where you're sitting. And he's walking me to the passenger seat, which window rented a car. I didn't. So, but anyway, it was funny because she was like, Bryce doesn't drive. Kellen didn't really know that it was a joke. When I tell you Kellen Bectal lit into Q, Kellen and Q, they was going back and forth for like 15 minutes.

Kellen walked into our party with an attitude. I said, Kellyn, you OK? She was like, no. I don't appreciate it. I was like, Kellyn is such a dope. And she was like, OK. I didn't know. So shout out to Kellyn, because Kellyn is a real one.

We love Kellyn. But Nashville was amazing. We have a week off, and then we are hitting the road back again. April 2, we will be in Chicago. Chicago is looking like an amazing time. From there, we'll be in Austin. April 23rd, from Austin, I believe we will be in Philadelphia.

From Philadelphia, Washington, DC, then Boston, then the finale, and yes, you wanted it. The finale tickets are now available, and they are percolating. So I'm just telling you now, please don't wait. We do have a new venue that is sexy and amazing. So there's plenty of space, but the way that tickets once we went live, the way they went are going.

I'm just saying you want to be in the building. So please head over to Bryce and when.com and let's see you for the second half of the BWP 48 tour. Okay, Jack, how you feel? I'm a little bit frazzled to be honest with you. I just put in a whole shift. So I'm I mean, I'm wearing a sling. You ain't ready to moderate. Let's just get the...

It was a hell of an episode. Yeah, I guess I'll moderate. Definitely, I know we wanna hear more from Wen too, so I don't wanna get, I don't wanna speer, I don't wanna talk too much this episode because I just don't talk here for 40 minutes. But it was an amazing episode. Last week was amazing too. So I'm loving Survivor 48. I was devastated to see my winner pick and maybe my personal favorite Thomas go home. But with that being said, it was a phenomenal

it was a phenomenal tribal. It was a great move by Camilla and Kyle. I don't know, there's always, oh. Not too much, Bryce, on my Guyanese brother and sister. Not too much. No. Bryce, you might have beef with Camilla now. It's like- No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't have no beef with Camilla. You said Kyle and Camilla. I think that they are great. And again, we're 40 minutes in, so let's just hop on in. The player of the week, the player of the moment is Camilla. Camilla smoked this episode. Yes, Kyle joined in, but I just feel like Camilla spearheaded and I feel like she.

Emerge this episode. And so, like, yes, they both played an amazing part. But in my opinion, Camilla emerged this episode. It's not by these big moves. It's like by her natural instinct to do things where there isn't any communication between her and Kyle. And she just goes for it. Like that for me, very impressive.

And I'm like, wow, Camilla is playing and she is smart. And her knowing, also, because Jack just talked, let me also just talk. We're gonna need to put some respect on Star's name because it is very clear we are not seeing enough of Star. One, because she's trying to figure out the idol, okay? But when we got the reveal that during the challenge last week that Star and Camilla were talking and kind of like

Star is knowing, hey, I'm on the outs. My team ain't really working with me. I need to spread my wings. I need to like get information to people to see how we can come back. That information that Star provided Camilla was pivotal. and for Camilla to take that. And I feel like Camilla and Mary, they would, they must have went to the same school because it wasn't even so much of Camilla, like kind of letting them know about Thomas and how like, oh, it's not an option. It's the way Camilla delivered it for me. If you watch the episode, she's just sitting there and she's like, yeah, like, no. I mean, what I was told, like, you know, it's not an option.

You could not go. And it wasn't like she just was it was the way that she said it. And then she just sat on the end of the bed and was like, huh? Like that for me, that delivery of like feeding somebody that information and like, you know, it's like, you know, it's a lot of tea, but it's like, if I give the tea to you too hot, then you're going to be like, oh, okay, you're trying to sway me. Right? Like, this is how Camilla delivered the information for me that I was just like, oh my God, for me that I was just like, oh my God, we think Thomas is a killer.

Camilla is an assassin. Like she's a hired an assassin. Like that was very impressive. So I don't want to diminish anything of Kyle. Kyle played his part, but Camilla set it up. And I think if you just look at Camilla and her stature amongst these four dudes, it's like now she could like lean into that a little and just like sprinkle a little information and just act like she's not that cool with Kyle and just it goes a long way to distract them from her really being this assassin. Respect. Yeah. I hats off to Camilla.

Cause I like, I really think that was very impressive. What do you, what do you think, Jack? Yeah. I mean, I thought Camilla was absolutely like the player of the episode. It's a little odd to me that you, like to me, Camilla and Kyle were one A and one B. Like they were working in like basically perfect duo unison and Camilla deserves all her flowers.

But it is odd that like, that you are like, like pulling back from a, like Kyle was played perfectly too. So to me, I just, they both were crushing it. Cause Camilla was, we were adding a lot of it and throwing stuff to him. But at the same time, Kyle's reaction, like reception of all of that information

and his way he responded was really great too. So they both deserve, I think, the utmost credit because they did everything perfectly in my opinion. Let me ask you this. What is an alley-oop? And basketball. You throw someone in a cyst in the air for them to dunk it when they catch it. Can you dunk it without the alley you in that scenario?

No, but can you don't get if there's no one there to catch it? Right. But in this situation, right. But like in this situation, if you're just running up and a ball is in the air, you want. Whoa. Bryce, your analogy illustrates my point. That analogy requires two people, you know,

perfectly participatory. But what I am saying, though is, I am not debating. Kyle played his part. Kyle, bam, he slam dunked it. But the pass was perfect. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. And so it's like, can you dunk it? Sometimes it's like, you know what, I'm an all-star player. I see Jack going in the hole. I'm gonna throw it up. Bam! I'm just saying.

Like in my opinion, like Kyle killed it, but Camilla created that play from what we see, right? Like just, right, you know, she just, the way she was just like, I haven't talked to anybody. They don't really know. Yeah, and Kyle killed it, cause Kyle was like, let me guess, it was charity. And then like yeah, and Kyle killed it because Kyle was like, let me guess it was charity. And then like, you know, and then my Persian king was like,

oh, it's clear they haven't talked. So yes, they both killed it. But I just feel like Camilla, she organized it. And also it's just like, Jack, you were catching a lot of strays last week. I feel like, are we putting you to sleep, Wendell? No, I was listening. I had an extended blink. I feel like Jack Charity was catching a lot of strays this week as well.

Like I was like, we haven't seen a lot of charity, but hearing people describe charity, Kyle throwing charity under the bus, charity speaking so high of my man. But not one, not two, not three, but full nipple David. She's like, David's the type of player that I love. And then David being like, yeah, I don't trust her. I was just like, oh my God. There's gotta be someone not seeing with her or we're gonna see it with her.

Cause like we've gotten this whole charity on the out thing for a very long time. And now they're still talking it. And they've gotta do something to show us that because yeah, people have been talking about that for a while. Yeah. Wait, so, yeah. I don't even want to, I mean,

I just thought Camilla and Kyle played, I mean, Camilla was the player of the episode in my mind, because you're right, she did lead the way a little bit. It was interesting, because I don't think there's that much that Thomas really could have done, to be honest with you. I mean, it... Well, so it does, you know,

we talked in the past couple of weeks, we loved his villainous activities in some of his lies. We did point out, you know, we were a little bit nervous that they can come back to bite you and I think it's really interesting And we could maybe get into this later, but now with maybe some swaps being back I think that changes a lot of how people should treat the journey, but to me Like Kyle was just the obvious choice for for I'm saying Thomas was the obvious choice for Kyle and Camilla

Because of the fear that, you know, if he went on a journey, he could have something. If they take out Joe or Shaheen, then Thomas might have an extra vote he could use next week and then your numbers are still not good. So he's just, you have to target Thomas, which was unfortunate because I love Thomas,

but he's the only person that made sense. Even if he was like their favorite of the three, not saying that he was, but he's the only person that made sense even if he was like their favorite of the three not saying that he was but he was the only person to target and I just I don't really feel like there's that much that Thomas could do here. He could have played his extra vote and split the votes on them. True but do you think I mean in credit to Kyle and Camilla for their acting job but I think with all the information that Thomas had, it really, really did, like that would seem so. Absolutely. And it would throw him under the bus

and show that he lied to his people. Exactly. This particular episode reminded me of Ghost Island when it was like a few episodes in and it was right after our swap and Don, myself myself and Morgan were trying to work with the Malolos that came over and they were just telling bull faced lies to us and then they pulled a fast one on us.

And is that when James spearheaded the yeah and they could have picked off any one of us you know and in this case they could have they had any one of us, you know? And in this case, they had their pick of the litter with the three of them, the three big dogs. Any one of them could have gotten picked off. Very fortunately, I stayed in the game when that happened and I made it to the end and Dom did too, but they got Morgan who was a player. And in this case, they got out Thomas who was like,

we were looking at this guy like he was going to the end. And the way he spoke, the way he would, like everything about him was this beautiful villainess, likable character, such a tremendous narrator, such a great survivor player, and bam, snipe. Yeah, I didn't want this tribe to go to tribal just because I didn't want to lose any of these five. Yeah.

That, and what tribe is this now or what beach are they on? Vula. Vula, Vula got a lot of voodoo, is cursed. But I was bringing this point up last week with Justin and I was talking about the journeys, right? And you and I, Jack, we're going back and forth because I believe Wendell was asleep.

But just of us saying like how I was saying, the journey, you can't isolate the journey. You need to like encompass everything about it. And I really think with Thomas here, right, he got a little powerful. And the thing that Thomas could have done, in my opinion, is been a little more honest. Because just like Justin, I feel like had said he knew that Justin didn't have a vote and he didn't lie, things could have been different.

If this was not new information that Camilla was bringing to Joe and Shaheen, this wouldn't have fazed them. And so it's like, it's that fine line of, I need to keep everything to myself, but also I do need to divulge some information because people can talk and cross reference and that can come and bite you in the butt. So that's my only thing. And it's like, I love Thomas. And I think someone again, shout out to people in the YouTube comments.

They said, like, Thomas necessarily isn't a villain, but he's playing a very selfish and great game, but he's not dehumanizing anybody. He's not disrespecting anybody. It's like, you know, when Jeff says he's not casting any more villains, I really feel like and people were like, what? No, why would you do that when Jeff says he's not casting any more villains, I really feel like and people were like, what? No, why would you do that? Jeff, right? Because we do love these devious players.

But I do love a player like a Thomas that is like devious. But there's a difference between being like a villain and being devious. And so like I just I wish Thomas would have like just pulled back a tad bit because that could have made all of the difference. Yeah, you bring up a great conversation, but because now I don't really think this was much of a reason why Thomas went home because obviously Joe and Shaheen still trusted him. But like we said, when all these lies were happening and when Star and Camilla compare notes and this and that, it is gonna come out and throw some shade on your back. And I think it's interesting because now, like I said, this conversation with these swaps back is like, now, A, having been on a journey could be a target

on you with players from other tribes, like it was here because they're worried, oh, if Thomas has an extra vote, then say they voted out Joe, then Thomas and Shaheen could just use Thomas's extra vote next tribal, and so they have to go for Thomas. But I also think now, you know, we talked about when you're honest about what you have,

I think in a world where there's swaps again, that someone having an extra vote on your tribe is actually is a huge asset because if you can swap with them, then you're like, oh, they could have the vote that keeps us, our tribe strong in a swap. So I think that sort of supports our, I guess we sort of concluded that, you know, it's starting to look better that,

to be honest about your journey to some extent, but I don't know. That's it. Let me, of course, this morning while I was in the airport, guess who rang my phone, Jack? James Jones. James Jones. And James Jones was a little perturbed that last week,

I didn't mention his name. He was what? Pertude, protruded. perturbed, perturbed. You don't got to correct me. Thank you. OK. I don't know you have that in the arsenal, though. Yeah, it might. The pronunciation might have been off, but he you know, he had the word.

He's expanding his verbiage. Thank you. And you think is it verbiage or is it verbiage? That's my question. Hey, hey, hey, that's me. That's my aim of the question. Jack has had enough. No, but James was comparing the journey and mind you, first of all, I had my headphones on, I'm sitting at the gate and I started getting loud with James because we're going

back and forth. But I feel like he won me over where James is considering the journey that people need to start treating the journey like knowledge is power. And you know how like knowledge is power is such a threatful thing to have. However, it's more the looming threat that you have knowledge is power is necessarily the negative thing. And so if you treat the journeys like that and it's like, hey, let me just be honest with you. Let me show you my hands. Let me bend over and cough. Like, you know, I don't have any like anything.

What? You know how it's you at the airport and the check to make sure you don't have anything on you. They make you like bend over and cough. Like it's just better to be honest. And so, and I was like, I was disagreeing, but I guess the caveat that James Jones was saying was that like with knowledge is power, when people know you have it,

it's better for you to like get rid of it, let people know because if it's the assumption that knowledge is power is so powerful that like people are gonna snipe you. Wait, but Bryce, well, and obviously you're just relaying James Jones' point, but maybe I'm missing, isn't that sort of the opposite? Is that with the knowledge of power, if people know that it can get you in trouble,

but then he's saying that you should be honest about what you get on a journey. But it's like, it's the speculation, like the speculation alone of knowledge is power. It's the fear of that you could have something escape. Yeah, yeah, I can agree with that. Oh. Look at Jack, okay.

Jack and Mary. Now, if James Jones had been the one to say it. I don't know if I would have agreed, but when you say it, Bryce, it sounds, it works. James Jones did tweet, retweeted, say he's a... Did he really? He did.

But it was in defense of you. He was defending Jack. Oh wait, did he like quote the tweet? He like a quote, retweet and said something short, but it was OK. Oh, that's great. Thank you, James. You didn't sound like he was like, well, I mean, that's what I do. Yeah, Jack is always loud and raw. Shout out to James Jones.

Well, that's, I mean, perfect. James Jones and I could disagree on things, but it's all love. I mean, we all love him. But there's also James Jones. So. Can we talk about, okay, so go ahead. What you about to say? I want to kind of, I don't want to go into some murky water,

but I do want to talk about some things. Jack? I don't know, I do want to say so. I want to know what your opinion of this topic is. So I lost you. So with the Tribe Shakeup, topic is. So I lost you. So with the tribe shakeup, I'd love to know your thoughts on Eva gunning just because because I can't be a hypocrite

because what I say I said with James Jones talking this morning, be honest, give them the information because you know, but what what do you think of Eva sacrifice and star? So I know a lot of people would probably expect me to defend Eva in this situation given that the whole Internet thinks that even I only like working with guys. But no, I obviously, look, I don't mind getting rid of maybe if you were not working, but I always think if you have a move you want to make or some information that you want to disseminate, maybe have a one-on-one first. Maybe,

you know, fuel people out. Don't get to the beach right away and be like, let's get started out of here. Everybody. But, but, because time out, because I am a little bit of a hypocrite, right? Because me, Monday morning quarterbacking, I'm like, I don't know if that's the best thing,

but I also think about if I were on that island and like I just am trying to gauge some footing, I'd be lying if I probably didn't take the first opportunity to like let them know about my ops, right? So it's like, I'm not mad at Eva. I just wish, I wish Eva would have disseminated that to David's third nipple and then let David's fourth nipple disseminated to everybody else.

Because my only fear is because listen, like I feel like I gotta protect my baby Eva. My only fear of her giving all that information out is that like, they're gonna use, I feel like the way that it was edited, it could be used against Eva, right? Like they could see that as like, she's so quick. Wasn't a great episode for Eva from an edit standpoint.

Look, yeah, I hear you, bro. I see where she's thinking. The thing is, I think Eva, we've I hear you, but I see where she's thinking. The thing is, I think Eva, we've sort of seen, and I guess it's mostly as it pertains to Star, but I feel like Eva's like, here's my op. How do I get ahead of things to get rid of them? What I would really just love for Eva to not be thinking, how do I not have any ops at all?

Right? So, and I do, how do I not have any ops at all? Right. So, right. And I do. Yeah, I mean. I do. Well, so, yeah, I don't think it was a great move and completely separate from her beef with Star. I do want to defend Eva, though, a little bit, too, because I've been seeing a lot of stuff not related to this move or star at all, but a lot of people online getting mad at her, you know, about her saying like,

oh, I only want to work with men. Maybe I'm not in this last week, the best person to be the one to defend her. But it's like- Maybe I should jump in because, Jay, I feel like- Yeah, well, I'm just like clearly, you know- I'd rather be in a room with all men. Why?

Eva explained detailed early on, like that she has autism and the things that are attached to that. And it was beautiful. And everyone jumped to support her as they should. And now I feel like certain, not to say that this, her stance or her association with working with the guys, whatever, it's not all to do with that.

But I think the way that she explains herself and how she, I think she's a little bit more black and white. Like she says like, oh, I pretty much only work with God, this and that. And she's catching some flack for that. But it's like, if you were one of those people that jumped up to support Eva episode one, as you should, then and then, oh, well, now the symptoms are like the things that are associated with her autism are being displayed. And now you're

bashing her. It's like, well, don't, don't support someone because of like the overarching thing and then not and then get mad at them for like the little Intricacies that come with that I think is what I would say two things can be true Sure, right. And so again, I I dare to say like the point that I was making last week and this week could be uh we could make for this case as like a game player as like, again, she's and it's within her right to share what she is comfortable with, with who she is comfortable with. But I dare to say that if she were a little more open with other people in her tribe, I don't think it would be as a big issue as you know what I'm saying?

Like if it's like if she shares more, but again, it's her right to share how she wants to share and when she wants to share. But I think that if more people knew, I don't think that it would come across the way that it does. And again, I'm not mad, right? Like we as viewers, we know how Eva is thinking and she's doing the best that she can do to protect herself.

And I can't be mad at that because I wish on Kageon I was doing the best that I could do to protect myself. Yeah, but I don't even think it's been that big of an issue with her tribe yet, right? Like she's connected with David. She seems like she's maybe connected with charity a little bit too. I don't think her tribe looks upon her unfavorably other than maybe Star. But I just think, well, I guess the big, also it's like, if you want to win Survivor,

and you don't really want to work with women, like you're going to have to be able to work with some women. So I guess that's just like, I hope for Eva's sake that she can shed some of her past like tendencies to be able to excel. That's the case in life too. What's up? You said what? I said that's the case in life too.

Like it helps be able to work with everybody. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also easier said than done, right? Because I, again, full disclosure, full transparency, similar to Eva, right? I don't always, in my mind, I was bullied as a kid from heterosexual men. And so yeah, I have a lot of, when I meet new people, sometimes I kind of will default to women. So it's like, I'm not, I can put myself in Eva's shoes

and see what's happening. So I get that like a thousand percent. But I feel like I almost want to see what we have saw with Say and Mary, where like they were completely opposite and now all of a sudden they've been bonded. I would love to see a world where like Eva and Star have a come to Jesus. And all of a sudden, because you never know, Star might like the jet ski. Like, you know, you know, because I feel like Star,

Star could be nasty on a jet ski. So I feel like, again, if maybe they can come to some type of ground. And I also feel like some of that energy that like she is has with men. I feel like she might be surprised. The energy star could maybe bring to her. Like it really could be like a whole new world. So I'm hoping for that. I don't know what will happen, but I would love to see that.

What an awesome spot on this tribe for Mary, where you have David throwing out his own tribe member charity. You have Eva throwing out her own tribe member star. I mean, it's a it's just not only are you like a swing vote between the tribes, but you're a swing vote between the people within their own tribes. Like you got so many layers of protection. So yeah, and listen, Mary might with her and say we're talking and you know, say we're saying like, I'm looking at Cedric

crazy. And the fact that in that time while we're beefing, you know, say, was saying like, I'm looking at Cedric crazy. And the fact that in that time while we're beefing, you're still comforting me. That says a lot. I'm thinking, Jack. Mary could be the first winner from Philadelphia to win Survivor because it's like, it's these little things that she's doing that I'm like, hey, yo, Mary. Hey, yo, Mary. And shout out to Aman from the Casualty on the Purple Pants podcast.

He texted me yesterday was like, does Mary live in Philly? I'm like, yeah. He's like, I think she just rode by me on her bike. I text Mary, I said, Mary, are you just on a bike? Mary said, no, I'm still on a bike. Okay? And so it was Mary. So shout out to our queen for not only killing it

and survivor, but also helping the pollution and riding a bike. Okay. Mary is the Yeah. And on a and on a bike. She's athletic. We all know. So she's getting and active. Yeah. There we go. Um, and then what did we think about before we circle back to, you know, tribal and everything, um, when do I love you kick us off with the, with the new orange group of Chrissy, Mitch, Cedric, say, and Bianca. What do you think about the dynamics over there? Before he say anything, cause y'all know, it's a, Iy, and Bianca. What do you think about the dynamics over there? Before he say anything, because y'all know it's a y'all probably talk too much,

Chrissy clocked in. We haven't seen a lot of Chrissy, but Chrissy clocked in. I'm trying to remember. What I do remember is the way Cedric was talking about, Sey, as opposed to the way she was talking about Cedric. But also, Wendell has spoken. Jack, let's give it up. My job here is done. Have a good night.

Here's the thing, though. Now, Jack, can we agree on this? I like the way Sey handled it, right? Like, hey, when Bianca came up and was like, I'm gonna work with y'all, what's up? Say said, huh, you wanna work with Jack? Do a vibe check and get back to me. If you messing with the vibe, then let's rock. I like that, I kinda like, because I feel like sometimes in Survivor,

if you put your opinion on somebody too much, then it's like, oh, Bryce and Wendell got a crack. So, like, you know, but the way she said is like, hey, get a vibe check, come back to me, let me know. I like that. Yeah. I the way you're phrasing it, Bryce, I like that part of it. It did feel a little bit, I mean,

even we saw at the beginning of the episode, Say is beginning to distance herself from Cedric. And now- Should she? Should she? That's the thing. I don't- Because I want Say to hear this.

I generally don't. Now, I'm not saying that in this instance, there's necessarily a right or wrong. I think Cedric was in a really tough position where he had to pick between his top two people and ultimately got rid of his, I guess you could say his number one. And so even though he was a little bit wobbly with Say, I still rock it with him. And so I still think Say should be proceeding, I'm saying I still rock it with me. And so I still think Say should be proceeding, you know, keep up sleep with one eye open,

but I think she should still be rocking with Cedric and it feels like maybe she's not anymore, which I don't think is great. But to your point, I do think if I was on a new tribe, I actually would, you know, it would be nice to hear someone be like, I feel like she threw a little shade on said, which I don't like to hear like, oh, like, I'm down to work with you. And then if you want to go vibe check Wendell Bryce and see what

you think about him, like maybe we can do something, but I want to work with you actually, right? So right for say to be like, oh, I want to work with you, Bianca, you go see how you feel about I'm always the type I love when people are like, go form your own. Like this might be my friend or someone I don't like, but you go form your own opinion and you can get back to me because I'm not going to tell you what to think about someone you don't really know. So I like that. Can I give you my toxic trait, though, Jack?

Like I agree with that and I stand by that. Right. Because that is the right thing to do. But also, I'm just being honest. Give me the tea though. Like I know, I know it's not the great thing is, I know it's like, but give me the tea. Yeah, because listen, because listen, hey, but you and Wendell could be cool, Jack. And I'm like, hey, is Wendell cool?

And Jack, you could be like, feel for yourself. Or Jack, you could be like, hey, right, Wendell still. Okay, like, you know, give me the tea. But if I'm Bianca in this situation, I'd be like, give me the tea. But I am still going to go figure out for myself. Like, you need a lowdown. Obviously you want to know. But right.

There's always two sides to every story. So even in real life, I'm never just like, I don't just take someone's word for like, well, if it's like a ride or die friend of mine, and they're like, I really don't mess with this person. I'm not going to be like, well, if it's like a ride or die friend of mine and they're like, I really don't mess with this person, I'm not gonna be like, well, actually I gotta go scope it out. But if it's like, oh, you just hear from like a friend of a friend, like,

oh, you don't like this person, like, all right, well, let me go make my own opinion. All right. Can I real quick, cause I know Wendy's getting tired. I do. I do wanna take some time. I do. I do want to take some time. Did you see when Godfather Cedric had his moment to shine this episode? When Jack, when not Jack, when Jeff said Cedric or these talking to the tribe, but it's like, you know, how's it been? And I need for y'all to see how Cedric again

is doing these very minute things that I think people are missing. How's it been? Listen, children from this tribe, my children from this tribe, this tribe, it's been very difficult. Each vote. This tribe, my children from this tribe, this tribe, it's been very difficult. Each vote, harder, harder to the power. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, This is Godfather said, it's hard. Each vote, it becomes.

And mind you, he's looking left and right as he's doing it. I feel like they're slowing down. I feel like Jeff gets on one knee and he's just saying like, it's not as easy as it looks. These people that you've been living these 11 days with, it's hard. And so I want to warn you guys, and as you move forward,

remember, keep the peace, keep the family together. It's not as easy, we're struggling. I feel like, and you look at everyone, because me watching, I'm just like, he just talking. But I'm looking at Shaheen, I'm looking at Charity, I'm looking at all of their faces and they're like. They were nodding and stuff.

Hey Ben, he's been through a lot. Oh my God, it's like he's like creating. He's warming them up. He's, you know, he's the water is clean. He like, he is Jack doesn't get that reference. I shouldn't get that reference. Do you know what that means? Jack.

I was a little zoned out. You said the water is clean or clear water is clear. Oh, no. So if a gay man, another gay man. Oh, what is that? What the hell does that have to do with Cedric?

Thank you. I don't know. Sorry. Okay. But it's like he is warming them up. That's how it has to do. Cedric essentially is saying, it's no more chocolate pudding. The water is clear. I just like how, again, Cedric is using his knowledge, his age, and like, and just very

subtly telling this horror story and being like, we survived it. And so like, hey, if y'all want to work with me, I got this knowledge. Again, I think not a lot of people are picking up on it, but I think it is working. Yeah, I mean, that speech you're talking about pre-swap, it was great. Like listening to it from home, I'm like, this guy's so wise. Like he's got so much wisdom and he's like, even a mat, like being on one of those mats

and not knowing what they went through, I feel like just from Cedric, you would be like, it paints the whole picture, so. And also you're getting it from this older gentleman who. Not that much older, I think he's like two years older than you, Wendell. Than you, Bryce, he's two years younger than you. Two years older than you, so let's not.

Two years younger than you, Bryce, I saw it. Cedric is 46, you're 48, let's be real, Bryce. You're older than me. Let's get it, Bryce. Wendell, you're older than me. You say that you're in your early to late 40s, 80s, 50s, Bryce. Wendell, you're older than me.

Let's go with it, Bryce. You're older than me. Bryce, you said it. Wendell, you're older than me. Cedric's twin brother. You're older than me. Bryce, Cedric calls you Unc. Oh! Oh!

Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh, okay. Like I said, like I was saying, Cedric literally last night had this crazy decision that he had to make. Like he has been through it. So he's really like he ain't playing no, he is telling them the truth. And he's an older gentleman. And yeah, they're understanding it.

Wait, yeah. Yeah, he's telling the truth, but I know what he's doing. And Cedric listens to the podcast, okay? And Cedric does not disagree with the Godfather. It's this new child is interesting too with Cedric does not disagree with the Godfather. It's this new tribe is interesting too with Cedric because sort of like the new purple tribe, it's like, okay, Cedric's connecting with Mitch,

Say is connecting with Bianca, Chrissy is like there. Not too much. Oh, Chrissy. Hold on, is that what you want, Jack? Not too much. Well, Christie, though, because Christie is clocking. I actually I actually do like where Christie's head is at. Yes.

People always like, oh, Bianca is the swing. We got to get Bianca. But Christie's like, no, we can just get Bianca out, which I think is actually not a bad idea. Jack, I'm sorry. I meant Christie's there in the sense that she hasn't formed that bond as much with anybody. Obviously she's moving and shaking, but she's not... In terms of the Cedric-Mitch connection,

the Sey-Bianca connection, Chrissy is sort of like, well, I wasn't really working with Mitch, I guess now I am. And that's sort of the extent of the bond. But I like where her head's at, strategically. But she's loyal, and we see it because she wasn't really working with Mitch, I guess now I am. And that's sort of the extent of the bond. But I like where her head's at, strategically. But she's loyal and we see it because she wasn't really messing with Mitch, but she's willing to stay loyal. Also, I don't want no smoke with Mitch

because I also think Mitch is in a great position. I also think Cedric and Mitch having that conversation about stuttering and like Mitch, one beautiful CNN did a whole little piece on Mitch on TikTok that was like absolutely great and I think Mitch is just so amazing that it's like sometimes it's like we don't even see that Mitch is different and I think that I love that about Mitch and I love just like Cedric taking that time to acknowledge Mitch and them having that conversation

thought it was very powerful and I also feel feel like. Say and Cedric, they doing the same thing, just different approaches, right? Because I feel like Cedric is making connections with Mitch, you know, not putting anybody down, like, you know, just real life connecting and say is connecting with my girl Bianca. And I love it. And meanwhile, Bianca. And I love it. And meanwhile, Bianca doesn't have a vote. So Bianca just trying to like make sure that she,

Bianca is playing. I also, I don't know why I feel like in my mind, Bianca and Maddie are so similar, right? And if Maddie could have stayed in longer, I feel like Maddie would have been very scrappy like a Bianca. So again, I love Bianca. Yeah.

It's a tough spot for Bianca. No out, like no former Loggies, no vote. So even if she is the swing vote, it's like awkward news, guys, I don't actually have a vote. I have a couple more questions about the tribal, but I want to ask you guys, if this tribe goes to tribal, what do we think happens? Cause there's some moving parts.

I don't know. That's difficult because I feel like, I really feel like it's anybody but, it could be anyone but Mitch. What about you, Wendell? It could be anyone but Mitch. Well, you went. I kind I kind of agree. I kind of agree. OK, I'm going to call a shot and I would love if you guys would also

narrow down to a name just because I'm curious. Like, I mean, I get. But I think I think what I think might, if they travel, let's travel. I feel like Cedric, Mitch and Chrissy would stick together. Like you guys said, Mitch is kind of the glue guy right now. He's got a good relationship with Sed. Chrissy seems to want to stick with him. And then Chrissy sort of throwing Bianca out as an option. And you think about that, say, if say Bianca is on the bottom, A, Sed is even, Sed's still gonna ride for Sed.

And then Bianca doesn't have a vote. She's from Loggy, which is a little bit dangerous. So I think it would be Bianca. Not like, you know, through, really through no fault of her own. But that's what I would be Bianca, not like, you know, through really through no fault of her but that's what I would be worried for, for Bianca. If you're saying for me to say a name, you've already said Bianca, I don't want to say this but I'll say Chrissy only in the sense where

Chrissy has narrated to us that Mitch hasn't been necessarily working with her. I feel like if Setti still is messing with Say, and Say is with Bianca, and Setti brings Mitch, and Mitch, I could see Mitch being like, well, I'm not really with Chrissy, so that's how I could come to the Chrissy conclusion, even though I don't want no one from this drive to go,

but I could see that. But I definitely don't see with the connection that Mitch and Cedric has made, I don't see it being Cedric because I feel like Mitch is in such a great position. Mitch ain't gonna play with it. And so there is a world, I don't wanna say it, but there is a world where I can see Bianca as well,

because although say is putting out feelers, I do feel like a part of putting out feelers is like, okay, just creating options. But at the end of the day, she still will go with the majority. So anything can happen. I think that that very, very interesting. When you lost your vote, you get it back after a tribal, right? Jack? Yeah. Okay. And speaking of, so we started and I want to end with this crazy tribal that happened. And I want to talk about this extra vote a little bit.

And it's interesting because there's some things that I don't even know, if we know. And so before I get into the discussion of like, should they have played this extra vote now or saved it? I'm curious, because I've seen people saying different things, doesn't extra vote play again on a revote. Like if, if Kyle extra voted that Thomas, and then they go say it ties, like say he plays the idol wrong and it's three, three on the revote, does he get to vote again? I've heard a lot of people say yes, but I've also heard people say that no, and I don't really know. And that matters a lot to me. Because if he can vote again, then it's going to tie.

Say Kyle plays his idol for Camilla. And then it ties and he gets to vote again. Well then it's going to tie on Thomas and Kyle. And then they're going to go to rocks. And obviously Kyle and Camilla would both be safe. So they're going to force the rocks. And then Shaheen and Joe would be drawing rocks. So theoretically, with that knowledge that the idol, whoever you play the idol on doesn't

matter. It just matters that you make somebody safe. And then of course, you would play the extra vote because then you know you can force you 100% are certain you can get a loggy out. But in my mind, I don't think the extra vote should be good on a re-vote. Because it's an extra vote. You get one extra vote.

But I've seen a lot of people saying it does carry on. But do you guys know? I think I asked Q that yesterday and he said, it only applies the first time. I also wonder if you're on the island and you have that question, are you able to like ask that to a producer? And the answer is probably yes. See, I, yeah, I mean, I, because I also, I would hope it's yes, but I also, I mean, I

saw someone theorize, like, you probably, they probably wouldn't tell you because they want the chaos of whatever trouble that ensues. True, actually. But so, okay, I think for the sake of this discussion, let's assume that the extra vote does not play again on a re-vote. Then the question that I have is, do you play this extra vote now or do you save it? And so I'll lay out kind of my two sides to it. And then you guys let me know kind of what side you're on. Arguments for playing the extra vote.

I think the main one is that if Thomas went on a journey and lost his vote, then you play the extra vote. The idol doesn't even matter. You guys, then they're good. Which is, I mean, if you play the extra vote, the idol doesn't even matter. You guys, then they're good. Which is, I mean, if you think about a journey, it's about 50-50 that he might have lost his vote. So I think that's a great reason why you would play the extra vote like they did. Arguments against playing the extra vote, I think the main things are that I feel like them searching their bag in front of Camilla was a very, very genuine sign

that they were gonna vote Kyle, right? Like, right. And so once you have that understanding or, you know, once you have that in mind, then the idol is the only thing that matters and you should save your extra vote because if they go to tribal again, it is still two, two. But if they had their extra vote next tribal,

then it would be three, two. Now, again, I don't know if you need to be thinking ahead like that because you got to get through the tribal that you're about to go to. But if you're like, if you know 100% that they are voting for Kyle, then you shouldn't play the extra vote. You should just.

So then this then let me add a little more complication to this check. Yeah. Do you think say you don't play the extra vote, but it is tied and you have to vote again. Do you think you're allowed to then play your extra vote? I don't think you're allowed to. Okay. I think it's like an idol.? I don't think you're allowed to. Okay. I think it's like an idol.

Like you can't idol on a revote. You have to idol up top. Yeah. But it's, it's, it's, it is to me, it's really, cause it's, if you know they're going to vote for Kyle, then obviously you save the extra vote. But then the question is like, how much does them searching his bag indicate

that they are going to vote for him? Because at what point of uncertainty question is like, how much does them searching his bag indicate that they are going to vote for him? Because at what point of uncertainty are you like, well, it's just worth it for us to get through this tribal, put an extra vote on Thomas in case he doesn't have a vote. And then the idol doesn't even matter. I don't I don't know. Better safe than sorry. I don't want better safe than sorry. If you like get to stay on the island the next day, Thomas, yeah, play with fire. Thomas went home with an extra bonus pocket.

Yeah, I'm with that. It's too many variables like you got to do it. But also can we talk about Kyle for a second? When Camilla was telling him, they said, they tracked you back. Kyle said, they did? Did they find anything? Camilla's like, no. He's like, why didn't they find anything?

Camilla's like, I don't know. Why didn't they find anything? He's like, they didn't find anything? Camilla's like, no, be cool. Then Kyle goes then, it was in my shoe. Kyle! Your shoe is on your damn foot.

What? What? What? What? Kyle, first of all, I was with Kyle Jack. Like I was like, Oh my God. Like I was, I felt his nervous energy. The way I was like, I sat up and my job again,

keep how calm Camilla was. Yes. She's like, yo, chill. You good. Jeepers, creepers, they went in my bag. Camilla is like chill bro. My bag. Camilla is like, hey yo, hey, shut up. Did they find anything?

And Camilla is like, if they did, what I be telling you right now, no, chill. My bag. Camilla is like, if they did, what I'll be telling you right now, no, chill. My bag. Camilla's like, yes, chill, I got you. How did they find anything? Camilla's like, I don't know, but I gotta go. They're coming. All right, see you later.

Wait, Camilla. They took my shoe. They didn't find it cause they took my shoe. If I was Camilla at that point in time, I would have went to Cheyenne and said Kyle. Okay. But that's also why I love Kyle, right? Like I feel like Kyle is such a, like,

Kyle is such a nice person that the fact that they went through his bag, tripped him up. Like he was like, did they find it? Bro, you've been limping all day because that idol is on your heel. Like that's why it's like, you just gotta love Kyle. Like I really do. Like, but I just like, I was so confused at that, Jack.

I couldn't, like I was like, what's happening? Yeah. And yeah, you bring me, you reminded me, sorry, you reminded me of a great point about Camilla too that I really liked, that to me is a sign of a great, great player. It was a little bit smaller, but her being the one to be like,

all right Kyle, you're to take my extra vote. I thought it was really smart because she looked at it like objectively that a, if anything happens to her, Kyle, at least we'll have the extra vote. Right. If, if, if it does tie, then maybe you get to use the extra vote on a revote within Kyle's obviously going to be safe. So he's going to get to vote again, regardless. Whereas if Camilla is in the tide and she loses her vote and would lose her extra vote.

So I feel like to me, it just shows that Camilla knows the objective best move. And even if that means her giving her stuff away to an ally, she's the one who's ready to pull the trigger on that. I think that is the sign of like a top tier player. Jack, I am ready to serve in the Camilitary. I am a Camilla meter. I like I was a little like not weary on Camilla, but I feel like sometimes. With an archetype of Camilla, like we see these people

or these type of players getting picked off, right? And so I'm just like, I don't know how Camilla, like we see these people or these type of players getting picked off, right? So I'm just like, I don't know how Camilla's gonna do, but Camilla is ready. We want you and I want you to, like I am a Camilla meter. Like she has won me over. I see it. I mean, like at the trajectory she's at right now,

there could be, I mean, real early, it could be one of the best new era games for sure. Well, like it's early, but you know, if she, we could have our second Guyanese winner. She was so dialed in. Huh? If she won, she'd be her first. She'd be the second.

She'd be the first. Also, hey, hey, hey, haters, hater alert, not the misogynistic picking a woman, not a woman of color. Okay, so runs know that runs held at I'm just, you know, sometimes you gotta let them know, Jack. Okay. So Jack, are you ready to serve? Aye, aye, Captain. Wendyzy, are you ready to serve?

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You gotta put cut in front of it, okay. I know that one. What who is it? Lil Wayne, a milli. No, how could you get that wrong, Jack? What do you mean? That's Jack. That's juvenile. What? When don't oh, my God. Yeah, it's.

Is that Jack? That's juvenile. Like, that's the. Yes. Look at him. Google. It says a little late on my spot. All right, listen, we're on YouTube. Don't play it.

You're right, Jack. You're right. OK, we just mess with you. I'll try to guess. I mean, really. Was that? Wait, was there was that like a like a sample of someone else? Gaslighted me really. What? Please. Was that, wait, was that like a, like a, did he sample someone else or that?

No, it was all Will Wade. I was just choking a chicken, Jack. After the week I've had, y'all are gonna come gaslight me about the smidgen of culture that I know for sure that I know. All right, Jack, I got one for you. Name me two juvenile songs. I don't even know who that is.

I'm sorry. All right, name the set that juvenile is with. If I don't know who they are, how would I know? Name, just think. The city that he's from. OK. I don't know who it is. How would I know? We're making it hard, but we're not making that hard.

How would I if I don't know who someone is, how would I know what? So normally when we say artists is probably it's normally a play off of an artist that we've already talked about. So Lil Wayne. So what city is Lil Wayne from? Are you kidding me? Is he from I don't get it wrong. Please do.

Guess Atlanta. I know you're glad. New Orleans, baby. Oh, right. All right. Well, listen. That's bad, Jack. Jack has been through enough this week. Jackery, we appreciate you for showing up, staying seven toes down, speaking your mind.

We love, we respect you. We will, we will. Hopefully, I'm gonna be ready tomorrow when this goes live. I don't want, I really don't want Morse. Like I don't even want to be arguing. I'm just gonna, I'm just defending my, I hope this doesn't spiral into Morse. Like I don't, that's not what,

I don't do this to try to argue with people. Like I'm not, you know. You do it in five minutes. Well that's, you know, I had a lot, I had a lot of people come for me for things that I thought were pretty reasonable. And they won't come back for you. And if they do, like I'm ready to,

but that's the thing, I don't, I don't do this podcast with the intention of like making anybody feel bad about themselves or you know, like, but. And I think, I think people get that. And I also think that like say is. Well, look, I'm one of my Twitter, Twitter beef number, like 75 of the season. Like I don't, it's not a big deal.

What, what I'm also just. She's probably had more since she called me out. So it really. Jack, you don't even use Twitter. So I was just confused out is more since you call me out. So it really is. Jack, you don't even use Twitter. So I was just confused that how like, you know, Jack. Well, you send it to me. I'm going to get on there and have a word. Well, listen, Jack, we love you.

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