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Episode Date: November 22, 2024

The baby boys are back with another thrilling breakdown of Survivor 47! Join hosts @BriceIzyah, @WendellHolland, and @JackAtkins21, along with special guest Survivor 46’s @tevin.m.davis, as they unpack Episode 10. This week, the castaways face a historic moment: negotiating for rice in a bold move that tests alliances and trust. Caroline struggles with a pivotal Tribal Council decision, caught between loyalty and strategy, while Gabe’s rising threat level shifts the dynamics.

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The Baby Boys are back this week covering Survivor Season 47, Episode 10. Jack Atkins, Wendell Holland, and I are joined this week by Survivor 46 legend Tevin Davis. And you are in for a very fun episode. We are talking all things Episode 10. We are talking about the challenge we're talking about the breakdown of Genevieve and Teenie we're talking about how each individual player fares to win a million dollars and so much more so let's get into this with your Survivor News coverage of Survivor Season 47, Episode 10. We're so excited. I mean, we are so excited this week. We have a very special guest. But of course, we have our co-host here, Wendizzi Holland, the winner of Ghost Island.

What's poppin'? What's good? We out here. What's good? We got, you know what? I'mma save it. what's good we out here what's what's good we got you know what i'm gonna save it we've got the attendee of the 11th annual reality tv awards jack was in the building in la last week was popping with you jackery what's up bryce yeah yeah it's i've been super busy but i mean really honestly schedule has been busy which has been great uh a little bit stressful but my favorite parts of the week lately have been watching Survivor and then coming on and podcasting with you guys.

So it's just really good to be here. It's kind of an escape from everything else going on for me. So, yeah, I'm excited to get into this episode. I got some thoughts again, too. Yes. Well, Wendeezy, can you do the honor of introducing our special, oh, sometimes you got to give God the glory, you got to praise him. Okay, please. Ladies and gentlemen, today we have the utmost distinguished honor of welcoming to Survivor News edition of the Purple Pants podcast.

One of your favorite dusty, crusty, ashy, need a haircut, need some deodorant, even got ashy breath need to put some cocoa butter Vaseline on the breath and the elbows and the kneecaps and the feet. The one and only. Oh, don't forget in

between the fingers. Not the webs. The webs. The one and only from Survivor 46. You might know him as Madam Vice President. Let me be clear. OK, the one and only.

Madam. Tevin is in the building. How are you going to disrespect him? Right. He does not speak for us. Tevin, for Jack and I. Now, now, now, now, now, let me be very clear about this.

I'm unburdening myself from what I want to say because I'm in y'all's house. And my mama told me a long time ago, when you go to somebody else's house, you take a dish and a casserole, but you don't bring your nastiness inside the door. So I'm going to let Wendell hide that.

But when we get off of here, I'm going to say something that needs to be off. Let's be very clear about that. Thank you for my introduction. You see the election happens and then folks started acting all crazy in the world after this election had happened. 2025 is coming.

We're supposed to come together, Wendell. We're supposed to be coming together. Okay, I got one quick question. Matt, the vice president. I don't want to get into politics, but I recently was scrolling Instagram today, and I saw that your adversary's choice for attorney general stepped down, right? Withdrew his nomination. Any thoughts on that? No comment.

Cool. We don't talk politics. Let's go. Well, since we are talking a little politics, you know, there's a reality star that used to be on the real world that's going to be in the cabinet so i mean it's very likely jack could be the secretary of gambling yes uh let's be clear oh i also saw didn't uh nick brown from survivor into something?

Is that who you're talking about or someone else? No, someone else from the real world, but he also got elected. But Tevin did bring up something interesting. Like when you are in people's houses, you bring dishes. What would Thanksgiving is around the corner. If we all had to bring a dish,

what is a dish that you, everyone could make that would smack? And you know we got to start with Jack, because I want to know. And it can't be no silverware, cutlery, or drinks. Whose house are we going to for Thanksgiving? He said

he wants potato salad with raisins. Oh! I'm thinking some candied yams. No, but you got to make it. You're home. Probably like a mac and cheese. I mean, come on. That plays.

No, no. You got to come. no no no no no no mac and cheese i know we stopping this today today is the day that 2025 is coming we gotta get this together mac and cheese is not universal well let's let's dive a little deeper how would you make your macaroni and cheese i mean i'm no chef but uh i would find a nice recipe but i you know i get a nice um you know it's the the main step it's got to end up in the oven in one of those like aluminum trays and you've just got a few layers of cheese on top of that maybe layer the mac and the cheese just a couple layers deep um and you know me i love a little buffalo so i might go a little buffalo chicken in the mac too i cheese just a couple layers deep um and you know me i love a little buffalo so i

might go a little buffalo chicken in the mac too i'm out of here guys all right look someone educated me i thought mac and cheese was a universally beloved beloved it is but everybody can't make it or bring it what i mean look if i show up to Thanksgiving at a black house I probably shouldn't be making or bringing anything bring water bring water you can't go wrong I'll bring the two liters of soda okay

the buffalo the buffalo I can totally try it I told you he put the grapes in the... Jack, have you ever been to a family function with grapes or raisins in a potato salad?

No. For the most part, I think my family functions have a requisite level of just a little bit of seasoning to them. It's not like a straight white chicken breast, no salt, no pepper. Yes, Tevin?

Pick me. So, Jack, I'd like to know, so when they pulled out the potato salad on Survivor, would you have eaten that potato salad, or would you have been cautious? When was the potato salad? Twice. They had it for one Would you have eaten that potato salad or would you have been cautious? When was the potato salad? Twice.

They had it for one reward that Teeny was in and then another one that Teeny was in, but Saul ate it, I think, the second time. There was two potato salads. I haven't paid much attention, but I like potato salad, but I didn't really see the one that they had. Was there something weird about it? I don't know. I guess my question is, would you just try it

or would you ask questions before you try it? If you're starving on an island and they provide it. I would just try it. I think my delegation would ask some questions. Do I remember, like,

was there something weird in it, though? Like, was it a little different than a normal potato salad? I feel like I remember seeing that. I mean, to me, everything looked different, but I would have had to ask. I know I'm starving, but I would have been like, I need to know who made the potato salad. I need to know which one of the producers made this

or which one of the aunties. Who made this is the first and only question I need to know. If you're hungry, I mean, it's like there's a cold. Okay. You said, what if it was Jeff? I'm a bit. I don't know.

I don't know. I have to think. I have to process. I can see Jeff eating cranberries and walnuts let me ask you guys what would you guys bring to the Thanksgiving function I actually

I could do a candy yam okay I could do some candy yams little brown sugar little molasses little syrup boil my yams cut them up layer them down you know little brown sugar, little molasses, little syrup, cut my, boil my yams,

cut them up, layer them down, you know, little cinnamon, nutmeg. My candy yams ain't nothing to be played with. Now, do you do marshmallows on top

or you just have it, just the yams? I don't do the marshmallows on top because I feel like the marshmallows are like for the, the sweet potato souffle. Right. The souffle.

Right. Right. Ain't no marshmallows on my potato souffle. Ooh. The souffle. Right. Right. Ain't no marshmallows on my candy yams. Right. Wendeezy. Apple cider. I mean, that's more white than my ass. Apple cider.

And he talking about some dusty, crusted elbows and things like, what did the apple cider? Okay, how about this? How about this? Eggnog. You might be at my Thanksgiving. Okay, how about this? How about this? Cranberry sauce out the can. Well, here's the thing.

I like cranberry sauce out the can now. Exactly. Don't play with it. But those aren't created equal either. Are you talking about the one that's got the real cranberries in it? Or are you talking about just the gel? The gel.

I want the gel. It has little rings around it. I don't need no real cran... Just give me the gel. Slice it up. Right. Have some of that with some turkey,

with some stuffing. It's... Yes. Okay? I got the cranberry sauce. Just some stuffing. It's, yes, okay? I got the cranberry sauce, just the jello. It looked like jello. We don't do stuffing in my family. We do dressing, but, you know, we a little different, okay?

But I appreciate you knowing where you fit in, Wendell. You said, you know what? I'm going to bring what I can bring. That sucks. Jack is trying to bring macaroni and cheese. That's Buffalo. The Waldorf macaroni and cheese that's Buffalo the Waldorf macaroni and cheese I mean come on

like my man Wendell said apple cider in a can of cranberries that is pretty yeah it is if I pull up with my cranberry sauce to our friends giving and you pull up with your buffalo waldorf macaroni and cheese i guarantee you people are gonna eat and eat my cranberry sauce out the can though it's like

no no all right here's my thing here's my if i was actually you know pulling up to a black thanksgiving i wouldn't take it upon myself to be like i'm the guy to do the mac and cheese like i would know my place but if it was like a friendly function and it was just like oh jack can you keep it like what do you want to make or whatever i like i'm not much of a chef so i would probably say oh let me let me try my hand at the mac and cheese. But I'm not saying my mac and cheese is going to beat, you know, your auntie's mac and cheese. I don't think that at all, but I just love a little mac and cheese.

That's what I'd want to try my hand at because I'm not really a cook. But at least I'm cooking. I mean, I could go grab a can of cranberries. You get the cranberries with the chunks in it. Tevin, what are you bringing? Now, I didn't think I could do this, but I made it for my family and they have deemed it of me

that I am the mac and cheese guru. So when it do come to mac and cheese, I throw down on the mac and cheese. And I will very Kamala Harris like and let me be very clear I will make a turkey and I'll stuff it and it'll be so good so

the way Kamala explained how to make that turkey I was like right right right right right right now you gotta brime it you gotta do all that now the greens in the bathtub no Kamala she said he put the greens in the bathtub no common she says he put the greens in the bathtub and that that that is yeah but yeah but uh the mac and cheese and a turkey i would do what's the move so what's your method with the mac well i've done it two ways the first way that i've done it um that i that i like is i i um what is it called when you like a roux? A roux. I do

a roux for my mac and cheese. So that's the way that I prefer to do it now. Egg? No egg? Because you know, people debate over this. The last time I did it, I did not do an egg. But my cousin was saying

to use an egg next time. So when it came out, it came out good without the egg. So I don't think you necessarily need it, personally, but I think it might add a little coagulation. Like the yolk? Like a whole egg, you'll add an egg to the roux.

So what's a roux? A roux is kind of like, I would describe it as like a gravy-esque. And you make it from scratch but you know for the fact that you because you make a cheese roux you know you need you need sharp

you need oh like a thick sort of and then you like pour it over and then you do a layer on top and then you get the shredded cheese and put it on top and then you still bake it so it's not like it's done

once you do the roux like you still gotta put it all together and then cook it it, so it's not like it's done once you do the roux. You still got to put it all together and then cook it. That's what I was going to do, but I would have a little buffalo chicken in there. Well, listen, we don't want to get our people too mad because

they don't like when we don't talk enough. We got a nice little roux in the mix, but Wendell and I are fresh off or back from Chicago on the Bryson Winsor 47. And when I had to tell you Chicago, Chicago, Chi-town, y'all showed up. We had the posse was in there, Jack. We had a beautiful woman from San Francisco. She flew in.

She had our heads blew up. She said, I was, I printed out Jack, but I listened to the last podcast and she said Jack wasn't coming. So she didn't bring it, but shout out to our girl Ruth. We appreciate you. But I mean, the love was in the air.

We had a time, we had a mini Cagayan reunion. My girl Alexis Shatia pulled up. We had Sifu. I mean, we practically had mini Cagayan reunion. My girl, Alexis Shatia pulled up. We had Sifu. I mean, we practically had the whole cast of 47 in the building. But I mean, listen, it was a time. How would you describe it, Wendyzy? I would describe it as one of the most star-studded events that we've had. And kudos to the cast.

They just pulled up on a love you know they just they as they were rsvp'ing over the last month i'm like oh they're coming they're coming he's coming she's coming and then they pulled up in two waves one group came with us you know the the entry and then another group came right after the. So it was like a serious one-two punch. Great vibes at Bar Casino, Westtown. DJ Caution was back with us. So, you know, it was lit. Tevin, you would have enjoyed it.

Jack, you would have enjoyed it. It was good to mingle with the posse, meet new people, see friends. It was just great. It was K to mingle with the posse, meet new people, see friends. It was just great. It was Kellen's birthday. Kellen had about a dozen of her friends in there. It was just a great time. That sounds great.

Did you guys end up going to any of those restaurants that I recommended? We went to. We did go. Where did we go, Bryce? We went to Green Meat Green Street Meats Green Street Meats good spot

you live in Chicago I went to school there oh right right okay got it Jack no we didn't have a lot of time Jack but we did get to Green Street Meats and it was delicious but heavy. It's like I got brisket, Hatch got

chicken wings, I got ribs. You went to Harold's, of course. Harold's Classic. But the BWP Tour 47 continues. We've got four stops remaining and

they are shaping up to be amazing. So next week, Thanksgiving Eve, we're in Philadelphia on November 27th. Then we're heading to Boston for December 4th, which is shaping up to be our biggest Boston ever.

And so if you're in the Boston area, please pull up. Then we got Washington, D.C. for the finale part one, because if you are been under a rock, Survivor announced that the finale this year will be a two part finale. So listen, part one of if you are been under a rock survivor announced that the finale this year will be a two-part finale so listen part

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because you know we is migrating on over there but listen we have an episode to get into we done talked about some buffalo macaroni and cheese cranberry sauce brine in a turkey now let's get into some surviving news what you got

Jack or Reno first and foremost can I come in and talk a little shit, Bryce? Oh. We're at the 1746 mark. Yeah, we're at the 1746 mark. We're getting started. This is a message for James

Jones. And if you're not James Jones, feel free to cover your ears. But I just want to say, okay, there's no one that I get more into a debate about Survivor with than James Jones. And I love that about say, okay, there's no one that I get more into a debate about survivor with than James Jones. And I love that about James because it brings that fan out of me who, you know,

I can get into some survivor talk, but James Jones, I mean, I was watching this episode the whole time leaning back. I was right, James. And I feel like we debate a lot and then we watch the next episode

and James, I'm usually right. So, and I want to point out some of the comments on the last video that have been tripping a little bit. So, James, I just want to say, you know, never turn that spirit of your debate down,

but next time you're on the podcast, come correct. And we can get into it. But I just want to say, man, a lot of times in a row that James and I will get into it. And I'm never wrong. Jack, how are you right? I said that Genevieve's move last episode was gonna push her too much into the spotlight it would be a bad move for her game and i maintain and i said last episode i said again i'll maintain it this episode i still think genevieve is a phenomenal player and because she

survived this episode i still think there's a chance she's good enough to maneuver just because of like the player that she is but i said it last episode this move of genevieve was going to plunge her into that top like a top level threat and it's a little bit too early in this episode we saw that come completely true whereas james said you know oh there's so many other targets that are gonna she's still she's not gonna no one's gonna look at her but genevieve's definitely getting some looks now so um and that's not to say I still think she could go far because now she could kind of retreat back into the shadows a little bit or whatever, but all I said was, like, last episode is final 10.

It's a little too early to put yourself in that major position. That's what she did. So I just want to bring the receipts and tell James. I just want to bring the receipts and tell James. Well, it's good that you're bragging in front of not James Jones right now. So he can defend himself right now. My God. You know, James is only a phone call away. Well, since we just all over the place, can I, you know,

I sit on this podcast and I state my opinions very clear. And sometimes I make assumptions or I will judge somebody. And I know it's all over the place, but I don't know when it happened.

And maybe it just was last episode. I don't know when the hell Gabe grew on me. I don't know when it happened, right? Like, because I feel like Gabe has always been interesting to watch. I don't know when it happened, right? Like, because I feel like

Gabe has always been interesting to watch. I haven't always agreed with a lot of his takes, but I will have to say like this episode, I was like, why they going for Gabe? Get somebody else. Like, I almost felt like I didn't want

Gabe to go. Like, I wanted to see more of Gabe's game. Now I will tell y'all, I had a lot to say about Gabe and I still do. And I still will, but I wasn't ready to let my Gabriel go. Hot take. I liked watching him all season.

The character that was Gabe, he wanted to be this Rushmore character. That's what he said from Jump. He wanted to be on the Rushmore. And he was playing a fun game to watch. And I guess he flew a little too close to the sun. And, you know, I feel like he had a lot more game game in him and it just sucked that he had to go out tonight. I mean, due to his own fault, but I just was, you know, you know, in the wintertime. When it's cold, you got to go out and start the car and then go back in the house and then finish what you're doing because you just can't drive off in a cold car.

Like, I felt like I started my car with Gabe and I went back in the house. And then last night I got back in the car and I was like, oh, it's kind of warm. But then when I went to pull off, it was no gas in the gas tank. So I had to call it. Yeah, I think, I guess, I think I feel like a little,

like I was so invested in Genevieve staying. I wanted Genevieve to stay. And so the fact that he went home made me feel better. I didn't I wasn't sad to see him go because I was happy that the person I wanted to stay stayed. But I think I think where he kind of slid a little bit was he had that thought that, oh, my plan is working. And so we're going to where I think we're going. But I think you have to always be thinking that your plan is about to be. I don't know. Can I can I can I speak? I want to speak. Or should I be, but I think you have to always be thinking that your plan is about to be, I don't know, can I speak how I want to speak, or should I be

PG? Yeah, I'm going to be PG. Speak how you want to speak. I just, I don't, I think you got to be anticipatory that your plan might get fucked up any minute. Like, any moment, your plan may just be derailed, and that's the way you have to play, because if not, somebody is,

and I think he had the thought of that, like, oh, you know, Kyle's been really close to me so he could pull one over my eyes. So he has the foresight to know that you could be sniped easily. But I think he just got a little bit too comfortable and, oh, what I'm doing is working. And he was saying things,

like you could hear him say it. As soon as you start hearing someone in those confessionals being so confident, it's like the kiss of death. He's like, he's saying things like, all I have to do is make it past this one and I'm good or something like that. Yeah. That one, bruh.

I, I, Bryce, I just know, maybe I was seen as a, Pop a, maybe there's something in me this episode. I just, I had a little espresso before and maybe I'm just ready to, ready to pop off. But no secret that Gabe hasn't been one of my top people this season. And that's not really like a personal thing necessarily. Cause I'm sure if I'm, I think he's probably a lovely guy like in real life but what I've said from day one of the season is that it feels like Gabe came in you know kind of premeditated some of his confessionals wanted to play up himself being a villain and I saw a post last night that kind of got me thinking um the way that I would kind of encapsulate what Gabe brought

is it's showing up and being worried about your legacy instead of the task that's at hand. And if you show up day one and you're thinking about your own legacy instead of let me just be solid and play and my legacy can be built off of that. No one's showing up on Survivor day one establishing a legacy unless you jelinski you know so for me if you're worried about your legacy and how people perceive you that are watching at home in that that bigger picture in that mount rushmore and telling jeff you're gonna see me again when you get voted out you're not gonna be worried about those that sort of minutiae of the game that's so important to actually being you know a potential winner and then really building that legacy um so i think that was gabe's issue because other than that i think we saw all season

gabe was a real solid player out there socially with the people you know he had a tight bond with sue up until now he was in a pretty good spot so i really think gabe has some chops but i think he got a little bit lost in the sauce and wasn't really, he was honestly, maybe I'm projecting. Cause I feel like sometimes I look too far down the line or I think too much about, you know, what my people at home think instead of being like, well, we got to travel tonight and I got to like lock in for that. And I think that was his issue. Can I ask you a question though, speaking about people going out there wanting to play or make this legacy can you come like when you say that it makes me think about how in this new era everyone wants to be on the right side of the votes they care about like being on the right side of the votes

and not being left out of the votes they want their track record of like i voted for the right people do you like what are your thoughts on that with how people play? Do you see like a correlation with like wanting to have a legacy and being on the right side of the votes or do you think it's like two different things? I think it's kind of separate, but I think there is some overlap

because I think in the new era and Cassie and Jeff have kind of said this, they want people who know the game and are going to go out there and play right and so if you're a fan of survivor obviously i think the fan of survivor going out there is going to be a little bit more concerned about are people going to be fans of me whatever am i are people going to think i played a good game whereas if you're just recruited you might go out there and not really care you're out there for a paycheck and i think being in that those votes like you said which i think is a very interesting observation because it's been such a trend especially this season to me i think all these players are strategic and willing to mix it up

but they're they're aware enough that once you see that the ship is going a different direction you better get on board with that ship then instead of getting hit by it you know what i mean so i mean we saw in the recap of last episode a lot of people were wondering how does this solve vote end up being unanimous but we see like an andy starts to tip a couple people off because and then once you know the momentum's going the other way like i said you better go with that momentum because if you're left out now you voted for someone who's still in the game now you're going to receive like you're on the bottom the jury might think oh you don't know where the votes are going. So you've got to try to scramble and get in on the vote.

But I think to that point, it's like maybe the earlier in the game is the best time to do that because as time goes on, you need to start building that resume a little bit. Maybe there's a couple of times where you've got to put your foot down and try to make a move, even if there's a risk that it doesn't work. Because if you're just every episode trying to just be in the vote, that's not how you win the game. But early on, I think it's a very valid strategy.

Did you, Tevin, see any similarities in Gabe and yourself from your season? I remember you being in the stance of like gabe was a powerful man like he had people around him and which illuminated him as this threat in your season you was running it like you know like they took you out because you were such a threat to win and we know if you would have got to the end to god be the glory okay we know who would have been the winner uh do you see any similarities in that? Like when you watch this episode or like these last couple episodes?

Maybe a little bit, but not... That's such an interesting question, actually. I don't think so because I never had... And I need to go back and rewatch it because I was at a watch party every week so I feel like I didn't even really get to watch my season so I miss like everything and I have not gone back to rewatch it but I don't know

exactly what the editing was showing but I know from what I was doing that I at no point was fully confident that I was safe I said the day that I was going home I said Liz I think it's me tonight. Like, I feel like it's me. And she was like, no, you're fine. You're not going home tonight. But I felt

that something was wrong and that it could easily be me. So I at no point felt like I was invincible. And I think that's the biggest difference is that when you feel like you're invincible, you will get sniped. Now, we both got sniped because we were threats, but I didn't not see it coming because I was so sure that I'd be at the end.

And he also when he and I wrote that down when he was talking at tribal council about like Jeff was like, well, what are you like basing things on now? And he said something like, well, we're thinking about I think people are thinking about who they want to sit at the end with. And I was like, I don't know if everyone's thinking that. I think you are thinking that because you think you're going to the end. end with and I was like I don't know if everyone's thinking that I think you are thinking that because you think you're going to the end but I think it it was a bit early and I surely wasn't thinking about like who do I want at the end with me at this point in the game it was just about making it to the next day so I think there might be some crossover somewhere but for me I think that it's different one thing that I was uh that I thought was sharp was when uh genevieve was talking about how a lot of people were talking to her yesterday and not a lot of people are talking to her today and i take that

had i thought about that on winners at war on my my boot like that would have been a sign but yeah like i i thought that was i thought that was a good read and i mean she saw her name and i like jack like you said her target has been illuminated last week now it's like glaring i'm willing to go so far as to say that like next two weeks is like a genevieve and a Kyle. Like, if Kyle loses, he's out. If Genevieve is exposed, she's out. So that's what I'm predicting. I think with Genevieve, I don't necessarily think, like, the move was bad.

And, of course, her target is illuminated. I think what the miscalculation was, the teeny aspect of it, right? Because we, this episode was like an emotional rollercoaster watching it, right? Because we, this episode was like an emotional rollercoaster watching it, right? And seeing how upset teeny was. First of all, I live for the days when we come back from tribal council

and somebody want to pop off and get day-ish off. When I said go off teeny, I loved everything about that. I respect when players keep it cool and be like, all right, Tevin, we cool. It's cool. It's cool. Nothing. No worries.

All good. And then the confessional, they go off. No, Teenie was giving it to Genevieve in real life, in real time. And I loved every second of it. I also really loved seeing, for me as a queer person, right, I loved seeing how it broke Teenie down and not just in a game level, right, how just her and her own identity and experiences and how she connects relationship-wise with people and how when you go out on Survivor, you think that, oh, I'm going to play Survivor. I know it's a game, but you get emotionally

connected and sometimes it really can draw on your own life and your own experiences. When you go out on Survivor, you think that, oh, I'm going to play Survivor. I know it's a game, but you get emotionally connected. And sometimes it really can draw on your own life and your own experiences. And so it was just very refreshing seeing, not to say seeing Teenie struggle, but seeing something like identifying with something in someone that is like, wow, like, you know, something kind of trigger can trigger you to go back into a place or just to feel something different. So it was like really interesting and eye opening just to see Teenie's journey. This episode with the Saul and Genevieve episode and just how close they were. And really, I feel like at the end of it, Teenie had to mourn the relationship.

And if you mourn in a relationship, that means you're putting somebody six feet under. relationship that means you're putting somebody six feet under and i think that that is the misstep of genevieve that i feel like is going to come back and bite her in the behind like she doesn't know how scarred teeny is from this or she knows and she just can't recover from it yeah what i did what i did like about that so i think both things are true i think both teeny having that emotional connection and how beautiful that was was was one image and then the other image that i really liked that genevieve did do was i mean she basically sung the uh what's that show different strokes now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum what might be good for you may not be good for some i mean she basically sung that to teeny

was like listen i cannot be beholden to to you because what is a good move for me may not have been great for you so i'd like that she had that hard conversation because that might actually be the thing that could save her with teeny later that we had a conversation and we may have to turn on each other but like i think shannon ricardo did something similar in 41 where they were like listen we we may have to well it's not the same because they're not working together but shannon ricardo basically like we'll have to turn on each other and it's having that real conversation um to remind you that you are in a game and sometimes that emotional aspect of it needs to kind of sever. I question that, Tevin. Like, does it make sense for you to remind this person, hey, we're going to have to get each other at some point?

Like, does that, is that, is that? But I think it's more an emotional level. I think because she was so, in my opinion, I felt as though she was shocked at how deep Teenie took it. And I think that Genevieve was saying to her, like, listen, boo, I love you. I want, like, but at the end of the day I gotta do what's best for me and you have to do what's best for you uh so is it a good game move no but I don't think that this necessarily was a game moment I think

that this was like a real life moment and I think that people forget that like yes we playing a game but we are real effing people and real effing ish happens out there. Your emotions get involved and it's not just so easy to just be like, all right, cool. But I hear you on that. I hear you on that one though. And that reminder is like,

yeah, but I hear that. So like in my case with Dom, Dom and I were like, you know, in control at a certain point and we look at each other but our car our candid conversations would be like look bro if we go at each other the other one's out of here like if Dom you can shoot at me at some point I could shoot at you at some point but best best believe neither one of us going to make it to the end if we do that. In this case, in this case, like, you know, we're going to have to shoot at each other at some point.

I just think that it's like, all right, if you're telling me that you're going to have to shoot at me at some point. All right. Now I'm going to shoot at you first. But I think I think that's that might be Genevieve's misstep, because I think in the end, and what you just made what you came up with is like y'all were contingent on each other I think Genevieve does not see Teenie as her powerful equal is what I think I think that she didn't have that same thought that you had of like I can't exist without you here so she's like I can take you out but Teenie may be thinking well I can take you out but but it's not that we both have to be here because I don't't think they crux on each other like that. And from the

school of James Jones, in order to win the game, you got to get to the end. So, y'all could say, hey, we're going to have to see each other at some point, or y'all could say, hey, let's just try to get to the end together, and then we can battle it out. Yeah. I thought it

was more of like a i agree with you i mean that's not the best conversation to have because laying it out to someone that you're gonna have to go for each other just adding another level but i think from genevieve's perspective and again i agree with bryce i think this was a i think severing this relationship was a bad move but seeing how broken up teeny was about it i don't think it was i think it was less of a strategic thing and more of like, I love you, but I betrayed you because at the end of the day, only one of us can win. And that doesn't change how much I care about you. It's just me playing the game.

But obviously that tips off to Teenie like, oh, I got to play the game. I got to light a fire and I don't have to care about Genevieve anymore. And so I think Genevieve anymore and so I think Genevieve was trying to look out for Teenie's feelings a little bit which is reasonable but again it's not going to be the this is why I don't this is why I said this wasn't a great move for Genevieve because now your number one ally goes to someone who feels really really hurt and scored by you and that's never never a good change of pace for your game. Now, I love Teenie and I'm rooting for Teenie.

However, I do feel like this whole situation worries me for them in the sense that, like you just said, Jack, like it's about the light of fire under my butt. They're like, oh, it's time to play the game. Baby, we, what day is it? Like, that fire should have been lit. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, it makes me a little concerned as to, like, how locked in Teenie is towards, you know, keeping an eye on the prize. So that makes me a little nervous for my boo, Teenie. Yeah. I don't know if Teenie has, like, killer instinct needed to win the game, but at the same time, it could be sort of a situation where, you know,

if Teenie can just make that one big move on like a Genevieve, like the final six or the final seven, kind of like what Marianne did with Omer, then you might not be interpreted as that kind of that strategic threat. But if you get that one move that no one really thought you had in your arsenal and you make it happen, then that could be enough to win you the game but as it goes stands right now i feel like teeny might be on track to be like a losing finalist and we see like sort of that same story of maybe like a jake or an owen where time and time again you try to get in the

mix but it just doesn't quite work out but people love you so you don't get voted out um but i don't know i mean how can you not love teeny i like i so i'm definitely rooting for teeny i especially thought not only the vulnerability of what teeny shared but also the way that they explained it from that genevieve betrayal over to those real life identity issues i thought was just a really, an amazing like connection and explanation and like narration. And then obviously also that vulnerability of teeny situation is something that we haven't really even seen before. Cause we'll have people that maybe, you know,

they're transgender or whatever, but to, to be open and honest about like not fitting into a box yet and just like putting that out there, I thought was really amazing. And I'm just, I'm a teeny fan for sure. That's why I dressed up for Halloween. This is kind of a pivot that like, I already said, I think Kyle is out of here soon, despite how much we love him and despite how much of a challenge beast he is. You're going to lose it. You're going to lose at some point. I think think not too much on kyle though not too much not too much now but here's

my question we got genevieve saying like if he's at the end he wins and i think she said something to the effect of like he gets my vote if he's at the end. And I remember on Ghost Island, we were looking, there was a point where we were looking at Sebastian and we were like, because everyone loves Seb so much. Okay? Everyone loves Sebastian. Who?

Bryce, not too much on Seb. That's my dude. I don't know. What season was that? Yes. Jack, refresh his memory. That's my dude. What season was that? Right? Yes. Jack refreshes memory. You remember that season type of now?

No, no, I'm not in this. So anyway, but in the, okay. But people, people were saying Sebastian's threat level is yo,

everyone loves him. So if he's at the end, he's going to get votes. Right. And in this case with Kyle, is, yo, everyone loves him. So if he's at the end, he's going to get votes, right? And in this case with Kyle, is it a, this man is such a sweet person. Everyone loves him. Granted, he's won for immunities, right? But you don't win the game by just winning immunities unless you're like Mike Holloway, right? So what is it about him?

Or is this just Genevieve trying to put the target elsewhere? Like, hey, look. I think Sue explained it to us when she went on that montage of why she hates Kyle. Because Kyle is walking around saying he's a family man. His family, his wife, his kids. I think that that's a part of his game, right? And like, you know, even though Sue says she hate it, okay? Sue said, listen, you broke.

I own the business. How many times do we have to hear that he's poor? I was like, oh, God. Tsunami don't play. But when Genevieve said that and I put the Sue thing together, I said, Kyle is gone. Kyle's going for the Jesse Lopez angle,

like the family man, the kids, all I do is for my kids. And I'm like, that is a problem. Who would want to sit next to this man who is fighting out here tooth and nail for his wife and kids? Like that's a,

that's a big thing. I hear you though. I think it's a great question, Wendell, because there's sort of this old school of thinking that's still ingrained in the new era of, Oh, if someone's an immunity threat,

we got to get them out. If someone's winning a lot of immunities, we got to get them out. If someone, I mean, obviously being a family man, that's a sympathetic thing for the jury to some extent but i i agree with you and i was thinking the same question it's like

if i'm on the jury just you could win every immunity but if you're not having agency in the game then i'm not gonna vote for you especially honestly if you're immune the whole time you should be having more agency because you're not at risk at all. So to me, my thinking is I really don't care about immunities, especially, you know, in a way it's kind of bad strategy to win a lot early because you don't know if you're going to win more. You know, I think having a clutch immunity run towards the end can allow you to control that end game and propel you to a win. I think that's the most important time to win.

But for me as a juror and I think you know as a fan of the game in this new era I think jurors more and more probably would think a little bit more similar to to us as fans is like I wouldn't vote for Kyle unless he really like starts to to kick into another gear but the problem is I would think think that, and maybe I'd bring Kyle out at the end, and then the jury's like, oh, well, he won six immunities. Like, I'm voting for Kyle. I'd be like, oh, like, damn. So it's like a complicated question,

because it's kind of like that deep-rooted thinking of, like, immunities are so important, but are they really? Like, I don't know. I think every society makes their own conclusion as to what's important for a survivor player in a survivor game. And it might be evident maybe that this cohort of people thinks that immunity wins is somehow analogous to amazing gameplay. And so that's what they reward for the winner if that is what ends up coming out.

So I don't know. But I agree. for the winner if that is what ends up coming out. So I don't know. But I agree. I don't believe that just doing an immunity run is necessarily the key to getting a million dollars. But don't it matter who you're sitting next to, though? Like, because I'm not saying, like, it's not enough,

but, like, you could sit next to somebody that is hated and it's like, yeah, my my immunity run gonna show up and show out yeah of course it definitely but the thing in kyle's case not only is he a challenge beast all he talks about is this family man he's a sweet man and he's a vegan like he doesn't want to harm like like he does have a lot of the total package, but he doesn't have a lot of game. Like, we're not seeing any of the strategy and stuff. He says, like, so he said things like,

I can't lie, you know. It's like, man, you know, you're playing Survivor. So, but also, if he was that big of a strategist as well, then he would truly be the total package and the biggest threat on the island. For sure. That's the thing. But also, if you got somebody

hogging up all these immunities, you want him out of there for your own ego. You're like, man, we want a shot at this. He's always going to win. So I can understand them wanting him out just to shake things up yeah but they should have got him out when they had that opportunity to get him i thought they were gonna get him out then and they didn't and then he won

right after it i was like well y'all might have missed it but also let me look kyle's immunity run has been impressive and to win four which i think is a new era record in now before the final eight you know he's still got like five more that he could win but to me and i've said this it sounds like i'm on some hayton five but two of his immunities only came against half of the field right that first merge immunity challenge only half the people played on the beam there was one that one man and one woman won so he only played against the men and then there was another one where they had that split tribe one where he wasn't even the last one up but because the like teeny and genevieve outlasted him and won that won the immunity for his whole tribe

like he he was got like third place but he got individual immunity this was the first immunity where he like truly beat everybody and that's not to discredit him but that's also more to say that if i was out there i'm actually not that worried about kyle right like as the numbers get down and there's that because he's good with a lot of like the balance stuff all right we all know final four final five final's good with a lot of, like, the balance stuff. But, right, we all know Final Four, Final Five, Final Six. It's a little bit more like obstacle course, puzzle. I like, if I'm out there, I like my odds against Kyle on a lot of those, like, agility and puzzle type of challenges. So maybe that's, I guess my point is, like, I don't think Kyle's going to thrive as much in these later merge of any challenge.

Stop putting an asterisk next to his damn wins. Stop being a hater. But honestly, the asterisk is more, is less of me as a fan trying to discredit him and more of me being like, if I was a player, I actually wouldn't be as concerned because I don't think he's been that dominant.

But you'd be on the island saying, yo, we got to get him out of there. He's winning all the immunities. I guess to just put a target on someone else, but what I really actually want him out? Like, I don't think I'd really care. I think Kyle would be a good choice.

Well, the other side of it is like, if you even have the small chance that he is going to do an immunity run all the way to the end, and you feel like your name is coming up, and now we ain't got no shot in the dark, you might need that immunity. So if you need to get somebody out of there who is standing in your way, evidently

from you getting an immunity win. And Kyle was the one person out there that has stood in their way four times. So if I was Sam, and I don't have a shot in the dark, I might need to win an immunity. So Kyle would be my first bullet that's coming out of the cannon. Or Jack, are you running

around the island like, oh no, he only won the first one because of this split travel. Oh no, he only won the first one because of this split travel oh no he only won the second one because he was a good girl no no i don't know i'm not saying i would say that but i think in the back of my mind i'd be like if it ends up you know the challenges that be kind of emerge more towards the end of the merge i actually think now this is person by person, I actually like my odds more against Kyle. He's going to beat me in a balancing competition 10 times out of 10. You ain't see Kyle in the

sand moving his shoulder, neck, back, heels, and toe, Jack? You make a good point. A lot of these games are decided by that person who can make that immunity run at 6', five, four. And so whether I think Kyle's going to excel at those or not,

he's obviously a great competitor. So maybe you guys have a point of like, just get them out. And then you can emerge as the new threat at the right time. So, but I don't know. It's just for me, if I'm out there and maybe this is, maybe I'm just misinterpreting how the jury would view a Kyle. I'd just be like, look, if Kyle's attached to my hip

and he wants to win all the immunities and then vote how I tell him to, I can claim that to the jury pretty well. Like, I don't really. Like I said, sometimes you end up at the jury and they'll be like, Kyle won seven immunities. I'm voting for Kyle. And I'll be like, oh, no. Like, I completely miscalculated.

And that's obviously a concern so i guess that is why people just want to get kyle out and i think the thing is like any season of survivor people always just want a reason to put a target on someone else right and the most obvious reason is just you win a lot of immunity so that's why the narrative is being spun about kyle and then honestly it kind of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where now Kyle, now Kyle has this target on his back because of the challenges. So now if he actually gets to the end, then he actually was a threat just because we called him a threat.

And then maybe he wins because of that. So you can, you can kind of spin a perception about any player that can kind of like make itself to be true. Like if you just start talking about how someone's a goat even if they're not then people might just start thinking they're a goat and two things can I bring up two

things oh boy no one I I want to know what we think about Kyle's no Sam's adventures, right? Like, because similarly to you, Jack, if Kyle's name is floating out there and we know he's a big target, if I'm out there, I'm going to want to align with Kyle. Like, let me see if I can flip something.

So I really want to talk about Kyle's or I keep saying Kyle, Sam's Avengers. or I keep saying Kyle Sam's Avengers but I want to pause that because I want to get back to something that I said last week that y'all said would never do can we talk about Caroline Caroline said

oh no no no no I gots to play my own game too and sue the one that is tied to game not me okay Jesus set us free okay and sue the one that is tied to Gabe. Not me. Okay? Jesus set us free. Okay? Like in that game when they

was on the ball. Okay? Because I was listening to Mary Mary. Take them shackles off my feet so I can dance. I just want to praise him. Okay? I just want to praise him. Okay? Caroline said he broke the...

Now I can't lift my hands. Like, I want to just praise him. Through the fire and the rain, bound it every kind of way. God has broke it every chain. Somebody at the party last night said

we needed to do a song for Jack today. Okay. Take the shackles off my feet so I can dance. I just want to praise him. I just want to praise him. What do you do, Tevin? Yeah. I just want to praise him.

I just want to praise him. I just want to praise him. Jack. Come on. I have heard the song before. Really? Yeah. Now,

Mary... Mary Mary? Jack, wait. Where are your hands? I do not? Ah, Jack, wait. Where are your hands? I do not believe you, Jack. I do not believe you. I caught red-handed. Well, so, admittedly,

Bryce, you said it at the start. That's what I knew. I'll blow my cover, but... I definitely had a praise break but I definitely had a praise break I definitely had a praise break this episode about all the Jeff told Kyle

you can take off your shackles my god today I wanted he said Kyle you can take off your shackles I said woo I wanted the editors to put Kyle, you can take off your shackles. I said, whoo! I wanted the editors to put Kyle in slow motion taking his shackles off.

And they do. If anybody asks you where I'm going, where I'm going soon. I'm going up yonder I needed that now y'all people that's gonna watch this listen every time me and Bryce get together whether we text in or we see each other in person we break out into going up

yonder which is in the black canon it is a staple black song it's normally sung at a black funeral which is funeral and blacklish so it's normally sung at the funes. And so we sing that every time. But I wanted them to play I wanted them to play Going Up Yonder

by Tremaine Hawkins. It said, Kyle, you can take off your shackles. I love that. I had to interject that. Yeah, never mind. I was about to say something, but I'm not.

If we're talking about the challenge. But no, is this a defining moment for Caroline? People been sleeping on Caroline and I've been singing her praises. And I don't know who she was talking with today. Was it Sam

or who did she like make who was she talking about that she said like Andy? It might have been Andy when she left that conversation do you know what that woman of God said? She said this has been a great collaboration

thank you. I said, oh my God. I'm like, people don't talk like this on Survivor. Like, words matter. I love Bryce. I love Bryce. She's a cool girl. I literally wrote down, I literally wrote down,

Caroline talks to everybody like she got a suit on. I want to collaborate with you. Well, like, just, i think of someone like uh a bruce and i think of like how he would disseminate plans to people uh and then i think of like a caroline who is like no you talk first no i'll go after you i'll hear you out. We can disagree. It's like, I love that kind of talk. And I'm like, Caroline might just talk that talk to the very end. And a lot of people didn't think that she would turn on Gabe. And the fact that she was like, well, listen, the tides are changing and I don't have a change of clothes and I'm not going to get wet. I said, come on, Caroline.

a change of clothes and I'm not going to get wet. I said, come on, Caroline. But I'm scared about that because at the very last second of tribal, Andy looked down the line and said, what did he say? I think Gabe called Caroline a snake. You have some snake in you. And Andy said, did he call,

he said you had some snake and he made like a little joke about it. But I think Andy might weaponize that and find out that Caroline flipped and then make but i think andy might weaponize that and and find out that caroline flipped and then make it into a caroline might be a threat here because andy has been doing that so i'm worried about andy catching what gabe said on his way out the door and the editor's showing that to us it didn't work out pretty well for caroline well look she's not gonna get a i think in a good way she's not to get a lot of credit for this move because she went and had this conversation with Andy of like,

I think I might be ready to flip on game. And Andy's like, we're already doing it, so you can hop in with us. And she's like, oh, great. Like the easiest flip maybe ever. So I thought that like – but I don't mind that for Caroline because it doesn't have to be your move. And if it lines up with where you're at in the game, then just go with that flow because if it's best for you,

then it's best for you. You don't got to do too much. So I think Caroline's in a great spot. Yeah. Even in like the small elements of her conversation, as an ally has always been so supportive. Like when Sue found that idol, you know, instead of being like, why'd you keep it from me? Caroline's always just super supportive like when sue found that idol um you know she instead of being like

why'd you keep it from me caroline's always just super supportive of people even if they're not necessarily in lockstep with her and i wonder now that caroline flipped on sue by proxy if you know that sue's idol is now going to come to the light a little bit but i think caroline's definitely a top three candidate to win this game so i could see her getting to the end because you you have people that are in the similar like archetype but that are illuminated more than her i think like you have like i think i'd put a genevieve and a rachel ahead of her as far as people that could look like threats before her. And, but I wanted to backtrack for a moment,

for a brief moment, if we could get back into the tribal council, not tribal, I'm sorry, into the challenge, right? Which one? The snake one where you're like doing all of that. Yes. Can we start there, Bryce, and end there? Can you please tell us about your boy, Bryce? First of all, my man, my man, my man.

If it's one thing Andy gonna do during a challenge, he gonna put his back into it. Okay? He gonna listen. Sometimes, sometimes, take a little second to this is something. Sometimes, sometimes. Take a little second to find your rhythm. Sometimes you got,

you know, sometimes, sometimes, you know, they can't catch the rhythm sometimes, but give it a little second. Andy had that ball in his shoulder. Okay.

Andy put his back into it. Okay. Here's what I want to say to the editors of Survivor. Mm-hmm. Clock it. Stop playing with my man. Why y'all gots to slow, well, for actually, thank you. Okay, keep it

up. But why y'all gotta play with Andy? Why y'all always gots to slow him down? And it don't be no rhyme or no reason. It be like in the middle of Kyle about to cross the finish line then we get a slow-mo of Andy like

stop playing with my man. But keep it up. Did he lick the ball, Paul? Yeah. Sometimes you gots to do it, okay? Sometimes it has to happen. Did he bite it? You don't do that, okay?

Bite it and throw it. He's doing all sorts of things. My God. Wait, what? Did you lift your mug up, Wendell, Tevin? My mug? And Wendell, Tevin? My mug? And Wendell. Is that tea?

Yes. What's in the cup? In my cup? Mm-hmm. Like, what is there? Is that tea? It's tea. What's in it?

Is the tea in it? I mean, the liquid is in it. The bag is not in it. The what? The bag. What kind of bag is it? What kind of bag is it? Like the flavor?

It's not a tea bag in there? See, I know where you're trying to get me to go. But I have rapid motion. Yes, there is a bag of tea inside of my cup. I mean, not inside of my cup, but there was a bag of tea inside of my mug, yes. Okay. Now, let me ask y'all this. Is this considered teaabagging?

No. You see, I knew he was going with this. Wait. Because I'm just, for educational purposes, the balls have to be on top. So, if this isn't teabagging,

is this coffee? Is this iced tea? It's inverted. So what's the invert of tea? Andy is slowly, not what's the invert of T? Andy is slowly, not what's the invert of T. Andy is slowly taking us to a place I never thought we would be. Everybody's talking about Survivor 50, Survivor 50.

It's going to be Survivor 50, Shades of Grey. That's going to be the theme for Survivor 50. It's coming. I feel it in my spirit that the theme of 50 is going to be Survivor 50 Shades of Grey starring Andy. That's what I think. If they take his highlights from this season

it could be a whole one of them explicit movies. Yes. It's an erotica for sure. You heard Genevieve ask Jeff, you like balls? Jeff said, I do. I wrote that down.

How about when Andy said 10 toes to the ground? What did he say? Loyal to the soil. Because it drips into the soil. I wrote that down. I said not him. I thought he was about to go on a profound explanation of his, you know, metaphor. And he said, oh, I call it loyal to the soul because I'm so loyal. It goes to the soil. Okay. Okay. No.

Tell me, how is that not right? Tell me, how is that not right, Tevin? It's right. It's just the setup gave. I'm about to go skiing down a real long slope. And it was more like a little mound. It was just a mound. That's like, this can is yellow because it's a yellow can.

Right. It's like. No. You're so loyal to the soil. Because my oil goes to the soil know but he also had that energy he was like listen I'm loyal to the soil and let me tell you why because I'm loyal and it goes

all the way down to the soil he ate I'm sorry he ate that makes that makes sense you got the episode title out of it I You got the episode title out of it. I think he's got three straight episode titles, too. Listen, that eats. I don't know why y'all hate it.

That eats. I got this tea in a bag. Oh. Because it's a tea bag. Okay? Sometimes it works. Sometimes it don't. But listen, I want somebody that's so loyal to the soil

i wanted to go down to the soil now let's talk about baby andy because this ice cold veins killer with a villain or killer with a smile okay like now we know and Andy didn't premeditate that. Okay, Andy is coming up with this stuff on the fly. I am, first of all, I'm loving the arc of Andy. I am just a little nervous that the arc, you get on the roller coaster, y'all got six flags in Virginia, seven? We do. You got six flags, Jack, in Arkansas?

Arkansas. Never even been to Arkansas. I don't know what our ride is, the Dominator, right? The Dominator? Oh. We don't have a ride named the Dominator. That's Andy at a challenge, is the Dominator. That's Andy at a challenge is the dominator.

I am fearful that Andy is, he didn't, he's at, he's at the top. He's about to peak and I'm worried. And the thing that worries me so much is that when Andy was like, I want to make relationships with everybody. And he started making like talking with Sue. And it just scares me with us getting down to these numbers so much. You can't be, you can't, the loyalty can't go down to the soil on everybody, Andy, your roots is going to get caught up. And I am worried that this web that he's talking about, that he is spinning, I'm worried he's going to get tangled up in his own web.

And that scares me because he's doing so well and he's making all of the right things. I just I'm a little nervous for my baby. Yeah, it's I think he's in a great spot, but I'm just a little confused because it's like three times an episode. We get him being like, I mean, I'm like a snake in the grass. I'm in the middle. I could go any way I want being like, I'm like a snake in the grass. I'm in the middle. I can go any way I want. Like I'm weaving a web. I could go at any part of the web.

I'm like, we know what position Andy's in. And it's a good spot. But I'm like, I don't need to hear about it anymore. Like I'm good. Like it's like animal analogy. I'm in the middle. I've come back from a rocky start and now I'm running the game. I'm like, we get it.

Like, I don't know if that's trying to, like, really emphasize that he's in a good spot or if it's to be like, oh, he's getting a little bit too comfortable, and it's going to flip. But, I mean. I just want to know which producer. I need a name of which producer went out there, set a folding chair down, put the camera up,

found the spider, zoomed in on the spider, waited for the spider to catch something, and then watched the spider eat it. I want to know which producer did that job is all I want to know from Jeff. So Jeff, you see this? I need a name tonight.

Do they get a raise? They found the spider, zoomed in, sat down, waited for it to eat, and got that footage for this moment. And I just need the backstory. Something else I want to talk about is this

immunity challenge with the negotiation. And, you know, it starts out kind of interesting because Jeff himself says, oh, we got a negotiation, I need four and then I forget who it was was like can we do three and Jeff's like no it's not much of a negotiation

but then someone introduces this idea of the shot in the dark trade and Kyle well they made it seem like Kyle I think it's Caroline's idea because she brought it up first. Kyle just

expanded the amount. It was a collaboration. How about if, yeah, it was a collaboration, but everybody says it's just Kyle, but Caroline said, what if we gave you a couple shot in the darks? And then Kyle was like, what if we gave you all of them? So he just expounded

on something she already brought up. So I want to give Caroline her flowers. We'll use that in her final jury speech. That's it. So she ain't trying to get credit for it. She just let them have it. And yeah. She gets it at the end. Now I need to know

from everybody here, because everybody here has made it a lot longer than me. Back in my day, we didn't have shot in the dark. Was this a worthy trade? Would y'all have given up your shot in the dark for some rice? Fish? Where the fish?

Fish? Where the bird? Like, rice? I think I would've. It just really depends on your spot, because if you're in a good position, you'd want everyone to give up their shot in the dark, even if there's no rice to be had, because then it just makes things easier to navigate. Whereas if you're in a good position you'd want everyone to give up their shot in the dark even if there's no rice to be had because then it just makes things easier to navigate whereas if you're in a bad position it's like a last ditch i kind of really felt i related to sam here because he knows he's in a

dicey spot he doesn't want to give it up but if you're the one person who isn't into the the trade and you're like no that might put more of a target onto you and so if he makes the right conclusion he's like look i don't really want to give it up but for the team to have some rice sure and this honestly this is where i kind of took issue with gabe a little bit because gabe tries to convince sam in what felt to me like a very condescending way like gabe's like dude your power in this game is your vote like you don't need your shot in the dark

and I'm like what are you like what are we talking about that's a whole different conversation like I don't need you to explain how survivor works to me I know my vote's important but I also just don't want to give up my shot in the dark and then Sam independently is like you know what like if it's for the tribe I don't want to be the one to stop it so and then sam independently is like you know what like if

it's for the tribe i don't want to be the one to stop it so i'll do it and then you see gabe with this like smug little smile like oh i convinced him and just like oh did gabe convince you and sam i thought his answer was great he's like sure totally like but if i i know in that moment sam was like that like oh like i know i know sam was excited to write gabe down that's all i'm gonna say but yeah i'm like i just it just was weird it's like if so it felt like gabe was kind of like mansplaining why sam should but it's like sam knows sam was right about what not want to give up a shot in the dark so don't go go tell him like dude you don't your power in this game is your ability to vote sam it's like yeah i how Survivor works. Why you put that voice on him?

Right. He owns your ability to vote. I mean, I thought that's a pretty good... The other thing is, it's just like, your vote is not going to save you from going home. It might if it works out for you, but if they take your vote, the shot in the dark can actually

save you. The shot in the dark is your immunity idol. so that comparison don't even make sense now me Tevin couldn't have I would not have given up my shot in the dark and I think old school players maybe that's why you say it Wendell because you come from a time where that did not exist so people have played without it and

it's like well you don't I mean that's true people come from an era where they wait wait wait Tevin uh uh wait wait wait wait, wait, Tevin. Uh-uh. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I know what you're saying, but you're going to have to back that bus up. When do I come from?

Did you say a time? Now, let's be clear. It's like he's talking about slavery time. Let's be clear. Y'all are my elders. Y'all are my elders. Y'all are not that young. Y'all are not that young. Listen.

Y'all are my elders. He said, you come from a time. You come from a time. I respect my elders. I'm going to let you slide. I respect my elders. This is respect slide I respect my elders I respect my elders so y'all come from a time

an era do we have electricity voice from I mean y'all y'all were definitely living off the land y'all were definitely living off the land so Y'all were definitely living off the land. But I think old school survival players probably are like, well, who cares?

We played. We didn't have a shot in the dark. So it actually doesn't matter if you don't have it because they have played without it. But now it's been introduced. So because it's been introduced, and I know it's because you see Genevieve was like, I'll give up mine. If everyone wants to do it, I'll do it. And then she immediately regretted it so i think what jack is saying is right it depends what side of the the coin you're on but i knew that the rice negotiation was not

going to go the way that jeff thought it was anyway because to me they have eaten almost every episode since before the merge happened there's been I feel like, on my screen every episode. So nobody is really starving to get the rice like when it first became a rice negotiation. Like when it was last season. Yeah, it's not the same because they've all eaten.

So the shot in the dark, I just wouldn't have gave it up. I didn't think that was the greatest thing to do. It's great for those who feel like they're in power who can pick people off and not have a Hail Mary save them.

But for those people, they have no shot. If your name is it, then it's it. That's the thing. If you're in a good spot, it's beneficial. Like I said, if the rice is off the table, you still don't want shots in the dark in the game. Like, if I'm going out there as a player, I'd rather be in a season with no shot in the dark

than with a shot in the dark, I think. And then it's kind of a conundrum because if you feel like you need the shot in the dark and then you push back on giving it away it's like oh so you think you are on the bottom like and then it kind of reaffirms your position so you kind of have to be willing to go with the flow i'm a little surprised that that Jeff allowed that to kind of come into play because I love like an open negotiation, but you know, they have the shot in the darks to add that twist. And then it's like, Oh, well, we'll just take them out and you can have some rice. I'm like, if I go out there on a new season day one, I hit the mat. I'm like, Jeff, can we,

can we get rid of the shot in the darks and just get some rice? Like go back to some old school survivor. I think I'm all for it. Tell me if y'all think this is petty. Because if I'm Kyle and I love my girl Rachel, but you better not put your lips on no rice over here because you ain't put in for this rice, Rachel. Oh, wow. You're petty.

That's real petty. Not to say hot, though, because you ain't putting that up. Oh, yeah, you ain't putting that in. That's a real black comment you just made, and I understand. Okay. You ain't putting it on this. You ain't about to get this.

Now, I was like, Rachel and Kyle now,. You ain't about to get this. Now, I was like Rachel and Kyle. No, Rachel and I'm about to say Adam. Sam. Sam. Interesting dynamic where Rachel, I don't know what I was about to call him, with Sam is I guess they're forced to kind of work with each other. But if I'm Rachel, it's F you, Sam.

Like, I ain't about to work with you after you just blew up my whole spot with Saul. Like, I don't know. I thought that was crazy. But I also felt like for me, the fact that Rachel is even willing to still play ball speaks a lot. But I wasn't messing with Sam with that with Rachel, but that was just my two cents. You gotta keep playing ball in this

game, bro. Now, you have to, you can't forget what happened, but you gotta be willing to act, or at the very least act like, alright, we cool. You gotta act like these these avenues are still open and even be willing to explore those avenues down the line should they you know present themselves with the right offer because you can't you don't want to cut yourself

off from anything in the game yeah i sort I sort of thought I'm with you. Like if I'm Rachel and it looks like I take what Sam says, a little bit of a grain of salt and not put full trust in him. And I think that's where Rachel's head is at. But like Wendell said, you got to be able to play ball. They're in similar spots and they do have a relationship, you know, since the pre-merge. And I think the good thing, I guess, for Sam's sake here is that in retrospect,

Sam kind of blowing up the last plan a little bit, I think actually helped open the game up for Sam and Rachel. And so it wasn't like the type of thing where I don't really think it hurts Rachel too much. So maybe even though it's like, damn, you kind of like blew up my spot. It's not really falling back on her too much. So it's like maybe you can get the pat you can get a pass for this one but it's like i think rachel's going about it the right way where she's open to it she lets sam and kyle cook at the plan even though she has her own sort of intentions um i think yeah i think rachel's a good spot my last thing i wanted to touch on, sorry, with the shot in the dark, giving it up.

I'm curious. Oh, my God, today. You're just giving it up like that, Jay? I was thinking, is there a world where you could have given Jeff a fake shot in the dark? I was thinking like a real one. Like, could you carve like a rock that looks close enough where maybe Jeff's not paying attention. You put it in his hand. Oh, Jeff, Jeff would smite you at tribal council.

Jeff would be like, all right, before we go any further. So, Sam, I got a rock. He would expose you in front of the whole tribe and tribal council for sure. And then make you your real thing. Actually, he might not he might not ruining someone's game and if someone can fake out everyone else and now all of a sudden at tribal you busting out a shot in the dark i can see that happening he's like oh you're gonna try to fool me like no no you're not right you hand him like a rock and be like oh he's faking out the other players like i got you i think it'd go either way exactly i

don't i don't know but I guess I think if Chuck caught it in the moment he would have to be like I'm gonna need your real one but if he got it exactly maybe he'd be like oh they're getting tricky like that would be it if he caught it in the moment he'd call you out if he didn't then that would have to be

part of the show hmm anyway I think i think i also wonder if if this this food thing like i'm on one side of the fence where i'm like i don't think that they need because they're not starving i mean well i said real country when i said starving but that's how i talk but mean, they're not starving for food. But on the other hand, maybe they are because I know for me, I'm the only player that went on both rewards during my season. So when we did the mergatory rock draw and then we did the rock draw with the challenge with me and Maria balanced on one foot in the water.

I'm the only person that switched tribes in the rock draw. And then we did the rock draw with the challenge with me and Maria balanced on one foot in the water. I'm the only person that switched tribes in the rock draw. So I ate twice. And because I ate twice, I think my stomach had gotten reactivated to what food was. I think I was, because I wasn't eating that much. I was like, okay, I'm hungry and it's fine. But once I started to eat, my body was like, oh, right. You think you're going to disregard us again? And so the day that I went home, I, oh, right. You think you're going to disregard us again? And so the day that I went home, I was feeling faint. I felt like I was going to pass out. Like the producers were asking me, like, are you OK? And so I was like really feeling bad that day.

And so I wonder how these players are feeling because they have eaten so much. And because once you get over the hunger, your body will tap into the reserves. But when you put food on it and then remove it again, that's a hard hurdle to get over again so they might be starving actually i'm sure they're hungry i mean but i get what you mean now it's like on and off and and you have a right you know the next day you got nothing and then because the body will the once you get over it the body will be okay you ain't you ain't got no food whatever but if you replenish that food and then if you do it many times, your body don't know what's going on. So now I don't know whether

to feed off of you or if you're going to have to put something in it. And so you have a break-in synapse. Let me tell you this though, Tevin. Let me tell you what body will always replenish you and nourish you. Come on. The body of Christ.

Okay, you better do that. Okay. Bye-bye-bye, Shata. Okay. Hey, hey, hey. I like you, Tevin. Hey, I'm behind the knob. Oh, yes. He's been my good.

Okay. Thank you, Lord. He ain't never going to leave you, Tevin. Oh, for sake you. He told me. He told ain't never going to leave you, Tevin. Or forsake you. He told me. He told me. God talks to me every day, and he said that the weapons would form. But he said they would form. He didn't say that they wouldn't form, but what he did say

in his word is that they wouldn't prosper. And so no matter what these players go through out there on the island or in real life, God has you, and he will always keep you. He said in Genesis, let there be light. But I want to stop on the first word. Let. What?

He said let, and so it was. And so I'm a child of God. Listen. Listen. Okay, that's why God said, trust in thy. You don't need no shot in the dark. Okay.

Cause I am the light. Okay. Oh, oh. Ooh. Okay. Amen. Can we talk about. He said, Jack.

Jack. Now, unfortunately. Jack now unfortunately Gabe wasn't in Bible study this week when God said no weapons formed against me shall prosper he was a little

late on that one but no weapons formed okay and if I could add he said let there be light the light comes from the sun sun in spanish is soul so i'd be remiss if we didn't talk about souls first first excuse me time it can i get a uh let me be clear let me be very clear because what I'm trying to figure out

with soul where the hell was the muscles on the island cause you didn't look like that 24 hours ago baby soul came out okay I felt I felt the earth move under my feet,

I felt the sky come tumbling, okay, oh, soul, I'm, almost made me lose my soul, I said, where were... I was ready to snatch your soul, okay? I said, I never... And according to Tevin, I've been on this earth a real long time, okay? I never... I never

seen somebody do a pantsuit, a matchy suit with a V-neck button up where he get that set from? Okay? I don't He ripped his sleeves off himself.

I was getting flustered. Okay? It looked like it. It looked like the button was about to pop out. I mean, soul came and snatched the soul out of they life. Soul! Now, can I get one more let me be clear

to them? Let me be clear. Soul. The Zaddy calendar has, they try to get in contact with you because I mean, the way I, okay, I'm gonna just be quiet because I, ooh, so, oh.

Listen, I posted about that on Blue Sky. Follow me on Blue Sky at tevindavis.bluesky.com blue sky dot sky dot hashtag circle underscore. I mean, you gotta put all this damn shit behind your name?

It just can't be the username? Bitch, I said the same thing, but also BryceIsaiah. Whatever else dot you gotta do dot for the blue dot sky I'm there too Jack are you over there?

I'm not familiar with blue sky oh is this like a new twitter because I don't use twitter either so it's not I'm not like I'm not lowering the soil on twitter people are migrating from twitter to the Blue Sky.

I don't even use Twitter, so I don't care. Maybe you'll catch me on Blue Sky. Jack, what? The underscore. Right. Hashtag, right. All that. But I posted on Blue Sky last night because last night would have been the same night that I came back in for my first

reappearance. And I posted it and I said one thing that Saul and I both did when we came back in was tear down them looks. Because when I came in, and we both had on the little brown coordinate. He had the brown sleeveless, but I had on like a brown undercoat with my I wonder if I had that somewhere. I don't know where it is, but

my little blue it's kind of like a kimono. And so me and Saul came in right and gathered on our first, once we were washed, once the water coated me, once we took a shower and the water ran over me and I was cleansed. What color was that water? Clear. Well, no, it was brown at first, but it came out clear. Okay. It came out, let me be clear.

It came out very, let me be clear. But it was, let me be brown at first. Let me be clear about that. I took a shower for one hour, and it was really black at the bottom of that. I'm sorry to that hotel that we was at because I'm sure somebody gonna have to, gonna have to really. She said, what, who, who was it? What is going on?

It took 30 minutes for me to wash my braids alone. it took 30 minutes for me to wash my braids alone and I still was squeezing and there was just dirt that was lodged inside of my hair from all the mud and everything but once I got clean and I put on the oil, because you can't do nothing without

the oil oh is it the alabaster okay he's killing himself it might be jojoba oil Is it Tevin? Is it the alabaster? Tevin is smelling himself. It might be jojoba oil, but you can't do nothing without the oil. It might be what?

Jojoba. I don't even know, Tevin. Okay, Tevin, he don't even know. He don't know about the oil. You don't know? That's not how you pronounce it. If you don't know jojoba, then you might know pinto oil.

This man smells like pinto oil. This man smells like Kente Oil. Your wife smells like Kente Oil. Sonny, what do you get when you put that together? Those who know that reference know that reference. If you ain't watched Madea as a child, you need to go back and watch the plays.

That's Madea Goes to Jail to play. Sonny, what do you get when you put all that together? And you are definitely giving Sonny one of them. Well, you need some of that jojoba oil for your crush. Wait, Tevin. Wait, Tevin. When do you look like the type of actor that's all about?

Barry. I told you. That's funny. that's funny oh even I know that why would you that you that

you you hit that way you are absolutely right oh what would his role be would he be a mechanic would he be he would be the mechanic

he would be in Diary of a Mad Black Woman that light skinned man that had that terrible lace front braided hair, plaited hair up. Tevin,

what type of role would Jack have in a Madea play? Not too much. You're either going to you're either going to you probably are going to be the guy that comes the guy that comes over

and Medea's going to be like hello yes come in yes sir you know one of those types I could see you I think you have to be bald for that, though. I think bald, white

men in Tyler Perry things are very Tyler Perry sees them as sexy, I guess, because they normally play the they go sing before I let go. They go sing a real black

song because they've been invited to the cookout. So it could go either way, but I think Jack, you might give, hello, Mr. White Man. That's what Madea would say, is what I think. Jack's like, what's up, Madea?

Boy, you don't come out of my house with no shoes on, Take your shoes off. My bad. My bad, Medea. And especially if Jack come in talking about something, I'm going to make buffalo mac and cheese. Medea's going to be like, Medea would fuck with it, though.

No, Medea wouldn't. You don't know. I already got the rule going. You don't know, I already got the rule going. You don't know what I'm talking about. And I gotta add, Soul was going crazy,

but last two episodes, Ciara been looking good on the jury too, so we got a really fashionable jury so far, which I've loved it. Jack,

why you say it like that? Like what? It just, it sounded very distinct I just want to know what you have Sierra look very good? I've just been saying I'm noticing the styles that she's bringing to the

tribal council as the mayor of Ponderosa. Tell us about the styles Yes, what is she wearing Jack? Just a nice flowy dress. Some good colors, you know, really highlighting her skin. And her hair, she probably squeezed out in the shower for about half an hour, cleaned out all the dirt. Just looking crazy.

You said you would squeeze her in the shower? Her hair, just, you know, getting the dirt out. I don't know. I don't know exactly what's going on. Did she exfoliate? She might have exfoliated. She might have used some of Wendell's cocoa butter Vaseline.

To exfoliate? Separately. Exfoliate and then put some on. Do you think she smells very good, Jack? I'm not thinking too much. I would imagine, you know, she probably put some perfume on, but... If Ciara was a fragrance, what would her fragrance smell like? I'm trying to think. I feel like maybe some vanilla, you know, like a nice vanilla scent.

Wait, warm? Vanilla? I don't know what cold vanilla smells like I don't know Everyone's talking about soul outfits I just want to give Ciara her flowers And say she's been bringing some looks too So, that's all Nothing more than that

Understood Thank you for that Alright, Jackarica A very astute observation. We see you, player. I don't know what you're talking about. Isn't she married? This isn't even like... I'm not shooting a shot

here. I'm just giving credit where credit's credit. I think she's trying to clean it up Monday morning quarterback. Well, this has certainly been a treat. We can't thank Jack Wendell enough, but the treat has been Tevin. Thank you. So, oh, the way the spirit moves. Jack, look up.

Wendell, look down. Say, neighbor. Neighbor. It's been a time. It's been a time. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't want to do that.

Y'all still talking. Y'all still talking. Hey, we are still in the sermon. I don't know. I don't know. Jack. sermon. I don't know. I don't know. Jack. Oh, I don't know. What cold vanilla smells like.

What cold vanilla smells like. But I know. But I know. The show must go. The show must go the show must go loyal to the soil how loyal

to the soil are we all the way down to the soil all the way down the soil no Tevin shut up you and Wendell both shut up because y'all said it didn't hit. Now it's hitting, right?

Now it's hitting. Okay? No, it's still not. It's not hitting. All it had to say was neighbor. Okay? It's not hitting. If you would have said neighbor.

Listen, it's been a great episode, Tevin. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for allowing your loyalness to go all the way down. All the way. Not stop at your feet. Not stop. Okay? Not pass your feet.

Mm-hmm. Tell them, Bryce. But down in the soil, okay? In the root. They went down, and they didn't just stop there. They kept going. And that's how deep your loyalty is. Baby Andy,

verse 3, chapter 7. This has been your Survivor News. Andy-lations. This has been your Survivor News. Thank you so much, Kevin, Jack, Wendell. We'll be back next week cover episode 11 we're out

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