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Episode Date: September 21, 2024

The baby boys are back and ready to kick off the Survivor 47 season with a bang! Your host, the one and only @BriceIzyah, is joined by Survivor: Ghost Island winner and the new host of ABC’s Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, @WendellHolland, and from Netflix’s The Circle Season Two, @JackAtkins21! Together, this power trio dives deep into the epic season premiere. From the fresh new tribes and wild challenges to jaw-dropping journeys and epic meltdowns, Brice, Wendell, and Jack leave no stone unturned (or idol unfound)! You won’t want to miss this breakdown of every twist and turn as the castaways fight for fire, food, and safety.

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We shouldn't have left you without a dope beat to step to step to step to step to. Yes. The Survivor season is here. Survivor season 47, episode one. And of course, you know, I can't recap the episode without my favorite baby boys, Jack Atkins from Netflix, The Circle Season 2, and my best friend, my brother, Wendeezy, are back with me. And we are talking all things this first episode, baby. Now, y'all know I prefer a spring season for obvious reasons. This fall season here on 40 Several did not disappoint. We have so much, so much, so much, so much to get into.

It gives me great honor and pleasure to say, let's get in to this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News covering Survivor Season 47. I'm super excited to be back with my friends. Let's welcome back to the podcast. You may remember him from The Circle Season 2. Emily, Jack Atkins, what's poppin'?

Man, so good to be here. I feel like I say it every season, but that first episode, that premiere episode, gets those goop swumps on you, and I'm just so excited to be back with my guys, ready to break it down. Life is just so much better when we got Survivor going on every week. So I'm excited for the whole season in front of us and to talk about this first episode.

Yes, the first episode is one that we definitely need to get into. Let's welcome back the winner of Ghost Island, the first merged boot of Winners at War. And Lil Birdie is saying a host on the ABC reboot of Extreme Home Makeover. Wendeezy Holland, what is poppin'? What's going on, Perp? What's up, Jack? It's so good to be back with the boys. We back. You're right, Jack.

It feels good when Survivor season is on. Life is good. And I'm happy to be with the fellas again. Yes, yes, yes. And if Survivor is back, that can only mean that the BWP Tour 47 is back. We kicked off in New York City this past Wednesday and it was so exciting to have New York with us. New York was definitely a vibe. Shout out to all of the survivors.

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Click the link and join the fun. But enough of the house. Hold on. Click the link and join the fun. But enough of... Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Jackery. Jackery.

What's up? We're going to be in your city. I know. And I'm really excited. And usually it's like the premiere or sometimes it's that penultimate episode. But we're getting it nice and early this season. So I got it on the calendar.

I'm really excited. And, I mean, shout out to our guy, Tricky Rice, with those flyers. Maybe I say it every season, but this year the posters are looking top notch, better than ever before. I can't wait to see you guys in like two weeks. And if you're in the L.A LA area, make sure you come out. Damn, Jack. That's what I was getting at, man.

I can't. The baby boys will be back in the same room. That'll be a beautiful thing. Yes, yes, yes. I ain't making plans with Jack after, but we won't go there, okay? Because last time I was in Jack, Jack said we was going to go out to dinner. I looked up. Jack left me hot and dry.

These are false claims, but maybe it's because we were in New York. My time, I was jet lagged. My time zones were off. Now we were on the same time zone and we still out there. I know. It won't be. I already got a dinner penciled in. So I thought you were saying that mom, Bryce.

Got a couple big couches if you guys need a place to crash. Okay. Listen, we got the church announcements out the way. We have an episode to get to. And let me just say,

if somebody were to ask me, Bryce, huh? What's your thoughts on what the first episode chaotic and chaotic with a K and I like it okay because this episode was

oh it was a lot your boy hey not too much It was a lot. Your boy. Hey, not too much. That's our boy. Not too much. And all I know is when I'm in L.A.,

Jack and Wendell, if I crack open a coconut, your mother better cheer. Okay? That's all I'm saying. All right now. crack open a coconut, your mother better cheer. Okay? Okay? That's all I'm saying. All right now. Okay.

Jackery, take it away. Yeah, where to start? I mean, first and foremost, love this two-hour episode premiere. And I think a lot of times, you know, we get those two tribes go to tribal council, but this episode, we only had one, which was kind of nice because it allowed for more of those camp life character moments uh which were really fun but kicking it off you know the tribes enter all on the same boat which I don't feel like they usually do and then you know Jeff hits

them with some classic questions introductory questions on the beach gets gets to know everybody uh and then before we get into the reward challenge I did want to talk about this some classic questions, introductory questions on the beach, gets to know everybody. And then before we get into the reward challenge, I did want to talk about this a little bit more with you guys, where the marooning is such a moment. And talk about the goosebumps. I feel like watching those first five minutes every season is the part where you're just kind of a little weak in the knees. Like, it's about to go down. I get little weak in the knees. Like, it's about to go down. I get so weak in the knees.

I can hardly see. I lose all control. If something comes over me, I'm a sigh. Let me settle into the season before we start doing it. A little early for our song? A little early? Well, can you name the title? we start doing the series. Is it a little early for our song? A little early? Well, can you name the title? Week in the Knees.

Bye. Bye. He'll never guess that. He'll never. Jack, if you guess this, I will streak. Is it by Is it by It's SWV. That was my next guess.

What does Jackery Oh, yeah. Get him, get him, Wendell. You got another one for you, Jackery. What does this acronym stand for? What was it? SWV. And here's a little known fact. One of these members

played Survivor. Whoa. It wasn't Taj, was it? Yeah. There's some knowledge for you. Okay. SW. Okay, wait.

They're all Black women. S-W-E. Okay, wait. Twice and when presents. They're all black women. They all can sing. I believe it. Think about it. But what does that have to do with S-W-E?

That's a hint. Brother man, come on, think about come on sometimes I feel like Wendell is Duke I am Kai and you are Ray we're talking in code here Wendell doesn't get it

they're black women what's the first word and I'll see if I can my brother you should know the first word is it sweet they're black women. What's the first word? I'll see if I can... My brother, you should know the first word. Is it sweet? They're black women. My brother, you should know the word.

It's not sweet, is it? My brother. Oh! Oh! Now, what? What the hell? My brother. Oh. They're black women. My brother.

They're black women. Say it again, Wendell. Soul? My brother. They're black women. If there were three girls on this pod, if there were three women on this pod right now, would I be calling you my brother?

If the three of us were women. Sisters? Sisters with vocals. Oh my god, Mac. You are so close. Is it close? Is that the V? Is it close? You're so close.

Your voices? Yes. Oh. My brother. is it is it close is that the veek is it close you're so close very close yes oh what my brother i was like i was like wendell i don't i don't know if you see you see me i'm not a brother i'm glad i'm glad we're close but i know i haven't seen you guys in a while you're gonna be welcome back but um so what i was getting at it was um with the marooning it's always such a big moment and sometimes we see them on like a big barge and they gotta jump off into the water sometimes bryce you're seizing you're getting brought in a boat the The bronze are in the truck. The brains are in the helicopter. Everyone's meeting on the beach. As a viewer or a player,

what are you guys' favorite kind of style of the marooning? And how did this episode stack up? My favorite style of marooning is when they're on a boat together and Jeff says, go, and you have to grab all of the stuff around the boat and then jump off. Classic. I love that. I'm a fan of that also. I love it.

Yeah. Yeah. Chaotic, get what you can get and go. Look for an advantage, you know. I also am a fan of the old, old, old, old, old school when people would be like at work

and they would get up from their job and in their clothes and it seemed like they left work and went right to the island. That was always a favorite of mine as well. I didn't even watch it back then. Yeah, I think

I would agree with you guys. The barge is always really fun. I kind of like that they switch it up every season, keep it fresh, unlike a lot of other things. But so we get to this reward challenge and it's, you know, pretty straightforward. You know, you go in pairs out through the mud to collect several puzzle pieces to assemble this vertical cube sort of puzzle.

And the sort of the cut and dry of it is that, sorry. So I guess before we get to this, we should break down the tribes. So the yellow tribe, we have Gata, Andy, John, Sam, Annika, Rachel, Sierra. Lava, we have Rome, Sol, Tishaun, Aisha, Genevieve, teeny to who Gabe, Kyle, TK, Sue, Tiana, and Caroline. Uh, and in this challenge to, or I believe it's got Gata. The yellow tribe is able to take it home and win those initial supplies. Did anything pop out to you guys from this first challenge? Not so much the first challenge,

but I think during the marooning when Jeff is calling out people and I believe it is John, the podcaster. I felt like. He spoke extremely too well during this time period. Like it reminded me of being on my season. And I remember when David Sampson spoke for the first time and I was just like, Ooh, he, like, he, he says so much. And John says, so he like set a conundrum or something,

but like to me in that moment watching, I was like, Oh wow. Like not only do we know he is, he's wrote for President Obama and Hillary, like, but he can talk and he's funny and he's got a personality. And I was like, woo, red, not red flag, but like green flag, that's actually a red flag because it's like, I don't know if I want to sit next to you

in the end because you clearly can talk. To that, I will say, Bryce, I agree. When I heard him talk, I was like was like yo don't let this guy get some steam in this game I was like and also as he started talking more throughout the episode for some reason he was right reminding me of Dr. Mike um but I was just like man dude is a really good speaker he sounds very smart he's so poised he's a tremendous narrator in a modern game of survivor this man is a threat and he's snarky and he's funny and it's like he can point stuff out that's kind of shady but kind of make it funny a little bit like i was like oh

i like him but like he's saying a lot that was my first impression. Yeah, he was very witty. And, you know, ultimately, it's a shame that we lost him because I thought off the rip, he was one of the strongest characters that we've seen sort of in recent memories. Clearly very intelligent, but also super fun and friendly. And even per the words of Jeff, like one of the best narrators that we've had recently.

And unfortunately, only here to narrate one episode for us. But he and the Gata tribe are able to win this first reward. And then that results in the other two tribes having to send a member a piece to go on this, I guess we can call it a sort of initial journey, which is taking the place of our typical sweat versus savvy. They're going to have an opportunity to win some supplies for their camp. Ultimately, the Red Tribe sends, is it Aisha or Aisha?

Aisha. Aisha. They send Aisha, and the Blue Tribe sends TK. And before we dive into all the stuff going on at camp, I figure we just cut to the journey and talk about it a little bit, where on this journey, they're kind of one by one, showing these planks with a picture of where, you know, the next key they need is located.

They each have three keys themselves. And then the fourth and final key that determines the winner is out on the water. And it seems like they're pretty neck and neck. Ultimately, TK gets out to the water before, but he's struggling to find the key. And Asia gets there as well, tries to wrestle it away from him. But TK being, you know, the big guy that he is, is able to hold on to it and win that supplies for his track. But I guess what I wanted to ask you guys is what did we think about this new sort of sweater savvy alternative?

I feel like I'm not going to be on the ladder or ladder because I like sweat or savvy. I enjoyed that. Like, you know, I always think of like, you know, my zaddy Xander out there like I enjoyed the sweat or savvy right like uh so I miss that but you know there are a lot of things that I like that the greater audience doesn't agree with um but I enjoyed the journey I enjoyed the challenge I love a running challenge into the jungle kind of gave me old feels and there's something about TK during this challenge where they both got turned around and couldn't find their path back to the ocean although i'm like just listen for the water

right like follow the water uh but i really think that it says something about tk that he said f the path and he literally and figuratively forged his own path back to the water. Now, I felt bad for the cameraman that would have to follow him because he just whatever. But I really like I thought that that was something that I'm like, wow, I feel like TK is going to march to the beat of his own way and really like make his own path. Because that was just like he said, F the path. I need to get back to the water. And shout out to Asia for not just standing there and being like okay you got the key

and like she said with the fly swatter she didn't just go up there and wrestle she just what you doing you got it like you know like I like that like I feel like we saw a preview of both of their games Asia's gonna be sweet on the other side, but she's a demon.

She's going to play like a demon. Because she is my sister-in-law in my head. So I got to root for my sister-in-law. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. I thought it was a good change up.

I like it when Survivor throws a loop and I was excited to see this kind of a challenge for the losing tribes as opposed to Sweat vs sweat or savvy. I do like sweat or savvy, but I also just like them doing things to kind of break the mold. So I was happy seeing this, seeing them out there. Yeah. I, I enjoyed watching it. Yeah. Right. So I honestly think I'm on board with you here i didn't i didn't have like any blatant issues with it but i didn't love it you know i felt like this sort of ties into the theme that

i think we see later in the episode with this beware advantage of i don't love a challenge or advantage or whatever that is kind of just like a scavenger hunt right here you know it's okay find one key then you find another key then you find another key and then you find another key and it's like it's kind of you know it's not exciting thing to watch um and i you know i love a dilemma like a strategic dilemma a social dilemma and here it's kind of straightforward like just it's kind of just another little challenge. And it, you know, to tie that in with the beware advantage, you know, I, I don't mind it as, as far as the structure goes, but as a viewer, how much fun is it to watch them? Okay. Here's a, here's a scavenger hunt.

Oh, you did it. You want to go do another scavenger hunt? Oh, you did that one. You want to go do another one. And so we ended up watching for like 20 to 25 20 minutes this episode just people like running around the woods which is kind of fun but also can get a little stale uh and so i would i would watch an hour to get that meme of my main man rome true but we'll get there And when that's Yeah, that's why certain tasks that they have to do That I think involve a little bit of Stealth or

Can leave you open to, you know, looking foolish I do like those tasks But there's a lot of just Digging X, Y, Z I think they were, they got criticized A lot for the task being Like too hard or too like kooky. So I really felt like this task was a little straightforward.

And when they first got the key, I think when Gabe first found the key, I'm like, oh, this is way too easy. Like this is this should not be a beware challenge. But then when we saw that it had another layer to it, I was like, OK, I don't love it it but i like it because it is a lot and it's just interesting to see two people in my opinion kind of fumble it a little bit but to see how bad you fumble it or to see how really bad you fumble it so it's like i don't i'm a little indifferent about the beware yeah and before we get over get over to a better look at the tribes, now that we're on the beware, I'd love to talk about this. Aside from my gripes with the tax themselves to some extent,

I do think it is an interesting dilemma of, do I take my guaranteed one round of safety or do I risk it for three? And then do I take the three or do I risk it for, you know, the full immunity idol? And that's actually a, you know, a strategic quandary that I think is really interesting. So I'd love to hear where, you know, if this beware advantage fell

into your guys' hands, how would you approach the situation? Bryce, start us off. I already told you. As soon as I see beat, put it back. I don't, I'm not, I don't care what it say. First of all, you know I'm dyslexic, so I'm going to read some notes anyway.

But my opinion, like, I feel like, and this is my thought, right, like, I like it, right, because no one's just going to sign up for one, right? Like, you're clearly going to go for the second or the third one. My issue really isn't with that.

My issue with Rome and Gabe, and tell me if you agree with this, I feel like they're rushing it too much. Like, you are making the block extremely hot. You know where the box is. You can look as to where the key is. How about you just get a day, spend a day. Like you are going for extremely, you are making the block extremely too high.

I feel like I understand you want to get the key, but just take a second. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a, I think preseason, a lot of people said about Roman, about Gabe that they might come in playing too hard. And I agree with you. It's like, it's not a huge rush.

Like go find the time when it's ideal and not when people are sitting 50 feet away at camp, you know what I mean? Where the box damn near rolls into camp in front of everybody. Or like you run to the well while people are on like their errands, you know, their daily, their daily chores in some extent. So I told you, Bryce, to humor me, if you did take this beware advantage, right. And you had this and you open the box and it says, okay, here's one round.

What, what would your, where would your head be at then? Assuming you didn't go. My head would be at, okay, I'm going to put the key in the hole. I'm going to get the information as to where the second one is. And I'm going to wait. And maybe this is the wrong approach. I'm going to wait till after the challenge, right? Like, because if we lose the challenge, then I don't care.

I'm going crazy. But if we don't, if we win, I have another day or two to kind of explore, make connections. Because I really feel like, for instance, Rome. I feel like Rome was high energy, but we got people talking about like they loved Rome. He was fun. They're getting along with him. And it's like you playing so hard is now putting a target on your back when it's like, you could have gained more support and had time to go out and buy. So I don't know.

I just feel like it's just rushed a little bit, but now you have this power, but now you're going to have to use it. Yeah. Yeah. Bryce or Wendell, what about you? I think Bryce's, I think Bryce's strategy is a good strategy. Like put it in there and wait. Talk to me. Talk to me. Bryce knows about this strategy.

You talking about language. Go ahead. I think it's a very good idea to wait and the wait and see approach wait and see if you guys lose if you win and and play it by ear um as a first-time survivor if I put myself in those in that position I would probably be so amped and want to you you want to you want to go for it all but But I think, Bryce, I think that's a smart move. I don't think you would have done it, though. I think you would have tried to go for it all. No, no, no, no,

no, because I would have been Gabe dropping the box. I don't think Bryce is saying that he wouldn't go for it all necessarily, because once you get the three, then maybe you're like, well, then I'll wait and go for the fold. Because because i do my thinking on this is like bryce said i agree like i agree you have a lot of time here and once you found you know completed the first task and gotten the

first key my mind would probably be like all right well the other tasks probably aren't that much different and i already did the first one i I could probably increase, you know, the power of this idol. I also think once I get if I if I go for three, once I get three, and then I could get one set goes to final five. That's really a big jump in my book that is worth the risk. But part of me, you know, I kind of hope in the moment that I would be able to sort of take on a more simple approach, which isn't necessarily how I usually think about the game. But to just find an idol that is good for the first tribal council you go to, there is something really simple and easy about that where now, OK, I'm going to tribe. Maybe if my tribe's decent, we don't lose for a couple tribals or maybe we go the first travel but like at least i know i'm not going to be the first

boot right and i think that can alleviate a lot of the concerns that you know when you're fresh on the island these players might have it gives you some comfort to be like i'm not going to be the first one out um because i'm gonna play my idol maybe you know i can play it on if things if say i'm in a group of three alliance of three and things are looking split maybe i can play on it on the ally and make the move and keep the numbers for myself but or pass it to that make a big move early yeah and and i think you know there's it is something easy just be like all right i'm not gonna be the first one out like Like, let me just accept that and like appreciate it.

And we see a lot in these seasons too. Sometimes there's a disaster tribe where you might not go to more than one tribal pre-merge. So that one good idol could get you to the merge. Here's another idea, Jack. What if you got it,

you don't have a vote, but you just hold it? Because now you know no one else is going to get it. Like, you know, like what if you got it, you don't have a vote, but you just hold it? Because now, you know, no one else is going to get it. Like, you know, like, what if you kind of like held it within so that no one else can get it? And although it kind of puts you at a deficit, it also puts you at knowledge is power. You know that when we're splitting the vote,

we know that no one else is going to have something. So it kind of puts you in a power position agree i mean so i totally agree with like the the knowledge power of it right because if you put it back then you're not only are you losing this potential advantage you're also losing the knowledge of who's going to get it right but i wouldn't say like wait and not regain your vote right because it's it's like, as far as waiting goes, I agree, because find that right opportunity to go do your hunting. But I wouldn't be comfortable being like, I'm not even going to pick this up just for the night. I'm going to go get the idol.

But I agree with it. It is very important just knowing where advantage you're at sometimes is more impactful than having the advantage itself. But to what I was saying, I think that beauty of that one tribal could be very valuable and i would kind of hope that i would be able to like sit back and appreciate that and take that but i do think if you want to really play a winning game then taking that those because i feel like these tasks haven't been that hard right and so it to make that leap and go for

that full idol and then trust yourself as as a good player to be like hey if i'm gonna if i'm gonna go on to win this game uh assuming i have the skill set then a full idol is obviously gonna be a lot more helpful than this one-time idol and hopefully i don't make a mistake that we've seen a lot of people make you know even last season of because a lot of people i think wait too long to make that perfect move with the idol and then we'll go home with it and that's kind of why i was like you know just one idol one one f1 one tribal idol you don't have to overthink it you can you play it settle in see the dynamic something nice about that i think there's a lot to that jack i think first of all like you said you know you could win a couple or whatever.

And this is just like, all right, I know I won't be first out. And it could be a real tool in doing something else. So and you can buy your if with a win or two wins, you can buy yourself the time to have good relationships or whatever. And if you don't, you have the idol to save yourself there and shake up whatever else might be going on yeah i think good idea jack and the nice thing is you you guarantee that you're gonna know whether the first job you go to is your tribe or maybe you make it to a swap without going to a tribal now you're on a swap tribe and there's a new dynamic you you're gonna guarantee that you're gonna know you're gonna get through one tribal and at least know if you're on the top or the bottom too because then that can really influence how you play like if i keep this idol

myself and all my allies vote you know how i thought they were going to vote and i think there's a comfort you can take and be like okay i'm in the right group like these people do trust me we've built some trust whereas i feel like playing survivor that first tribal is probably one of the most nerve-wracking things so to eliminate eliminate that paranoia tell me about it and just to eliminate that paranoia and and just be like okay let me see what who's really like who's really about their word could be a nice thing now would i end up doing that or would i go for everything who knows but i would hope that if you do go for the the full idol that you know i get we heed bryce's

advice here and and take our time because there's really no rush to to be doing it in broad daylight so um but yeah i think i think the idol situation self pose at least like an interesting dilemma uh but yeah great so now we've the journey's done and we've covered this new blue wear advantage. So now we're getting to hear something what I don't like about the journey a little bit. Maybe I like it. Maybe I'm a little messy. Maybe I like the confusion. I like when people go on a journey and it was rather simple. Right. Where TK went back and they were like, did I eat anything? And they're like, no, we battled it out. So she didn't have anything.

I like it when it's a little more ambiguous, right? I like it when the tribe questions, right? But I also feel like, I feel like Asia is believable and lovable. So it doesn't matter if it was some complicated story. She wasn't going to give us a Linsky story, right? Like they would have believed her, but I do like it when it's a little more ambiguous because I love when people just start worrying about stuff. That's not even there. Like I, as a viewer,

I enjoy that. So yeah, this kind of cuts it off. You're right. Easier to pick up. Like when it like, when it's, it just, even if people aren't lying, when it's like, dag, I think they're lying, or I don't, when it's a little more ambiguous, it's just like, there's so much up for grabs there. Even if you're telling the God's honest truth. Or even just when it's like, we had to walk up this hill, we had to read this thing, we had to decide. Just even when the story itself lends to like, bitch, you lying.

No, you're right. That's a credit to Aisha because nobody... That could be a really scary... A credit to who? What's up? A credit to... Who's Aisha? Aisha? Thank you, because Bryce, you butchered it yeah okay in there right yeah um it's a lot closer yeah um but that's credit to her because

you show up empty hand she even mentioned you you show up empty-handed people oftentimes will assume the worst and it seems like really nobody was too concerned about it I also think it's interesting to think about you know all these different sort of journeys we see and how people present this story but there's such a realm of possibilities here where you know you show up empty-handed in a season where there's like some other dilemma you could just make something else up I I mean, it might come back to you later in the game, but so I guess you want to keep it pretty real. But I do agree with you, Bryce. There's no, like, gray area really here.

You win or you lose. And to that point, something really subtle, I think the thing I agreed with Rome on the most this episode was when he said that it was a mistake to volunteer to go on this journey because i feel like it was framed as like you can go and earn supplies for your tribe but at the same time you're missing maybe that first five hours of it was a meeting i disagree okay and that's why i just i i've again i also feel like i'm a real believer in energy and? Like, I feel like from watching Rome, he has a hyper, like, I just see it, right? And so that, I think that has to be true for him,

but I feel like Asia's spirit is different. You saw when she got back, Teenie just naturally gravitated towards her. So I also feel like it depends on the person. And I think Rome, for Rome, yeah, he needs to stay and spend as much time with the group, even though he spent more time in the well than with the group. So I feel like he

is kind of contradicting himself. But I also was cracking up. Did anybody PTK's exaggeration a little bit, where he was like, yeah, I got back and you know, Asia over there tried to wrestle me down in the water. We was diving around and

I was looking at her like, girl, what is you doing? Meanwhile, Asia just did a... He got it. TK made it seem like she was trying to rumble him. I don't know if that was

just me. Yeah, kind of. She definitely was making a little bit of a move there for it, but yeah, they definitely weren't full-blown. But sometimes you make a big play, you got to hype yourself up a little bit. If I was out there though, I mean, I probably would have wrestled TK for

just a little bit, just, you know. That's a tug of war for just a little bit, just, you know. You know. A little tug of war. Just a tug of war. Okay. Just a little war. What are you talking about? No, don't. Don't. Don't.

No, I can't apologize. I apologize. I'm just saying. I don't disagree with you on this though, Bryce, because you're right. Aisha luckily has the skills. Asia. Asia. I mean, it's the SH that's getting me we can her handle like Asia like the continent or something okay Asia all right that makes it easier Asia has the has the skills that you know she's able to to recover from this but to me on

paper it's like okay you volunteer to go on this. But to me, on paper, it's like, okay, you volunteer to go on this journey. Best case scenario, you win some supplies for your tribe, but it's that, that's not, you're also missing valuable time. Who is sitting with the tribe? Who is it? Asia sitting with the tribe, given the

411 on Rome, or is it Rome connected with the tribe? I'm just talking, of course, it's different between different people and it's not necessarily like a huge win or a huge loss, but I do think on a basic level, the average random player, I think you'd rather have that time with your tribe, get your,

get your feet planted a little bit with some people. And I think we kind of underrate this because Asia played it off so well but if you come back with nothing there's a lot of players that are gonna either people are gonna look at that bad or they're gonna be suspicious and I'd rather just save myself you know maybe if there was an advantage up for grabs or something it could be worth the risk but it's like just let someone else go try to get the supplies like it's like a machete in a flint like it's not we'll have those in three days if we don't get them now you know last season of tribe went a lot longer so i don't know but i mean had they said banu he wasn't coming back anyway so not too much but yeah so now okay cool so we get we can go kind

of now we're looking at some camp life and some of these early dynamics um i know they kind of fluctuated and bounced around but i kind of want to just go tribe by tribe i'll give sort of the highlights and then whatever jumps out to you guys we can talk about for a little bit so over on gata the yellow tribe uh immediately andy and john go make a connection uh but the other four kind of witness this separation and those four they say they have like an unspoken sort of thing going on uh i did think it was interesting at least this was probably editing but the fact that andy was just like i'm by like he just threw it out there no context um as a as a way to connect uh i'm sure that's something you know john andy works works for me yeah i'm sure that's ridiculous you want to connect with me okay bryce i just i just feel like uh of course maybe it was just a trick of editing but things like when i feel like whenever

you're opening up about something you want it to be kind of a natural flow of conversation you don't just want to like throw out like my parents are divorced like you know what i mean like let it like but you know whatever so they bond they seem it, like, but, you know, whatever. So they bond. They seem to connect. The other four, you know, sort of. Who are the other four? It's Sam, Anika, Rachel, and Sierra. Okay, you can stop right there.

Sam. Samuel. The baseball player. The actor. The news reporter. Okay. I could be a car. He could, he could put the key in my engine. That's all I'm saying. He's versatile. We like Sam. What'd he say? He a, a, a gluer, a glue guy, a glue. Okay.

Stay away from his glue Bryce. Okay. Sam, they call me a, a, a hot glue stick, okay? I'm a hot glue gun. I just need some glue, Sam, okay? I like Sam. It's about to get sticky. Okay, okay. What you need for me to glue, Sam?

I like Sam. He's my girlfriend, bro. I'm bi. He's not bi. I can connect. I'm connected. No, but I do like Sam, right? Because, you know, Sam said he a wolf

in a wolf clothes. And I'm Lil Mary. Or Lil Ron Hood. Lil Rodden Hood. Lil Bo Peep. Walking down with my sheep. But I like Sam. I like... Oh, sorry. Okay.

I think he has the right attitude, right? Like where it's like I really do feel like he is versatile. He also has the wherewithal to be like, I don't want to be a leader. I'd rather be a sidekick. And I relate to him in that aspect. Like, I don't need to be the name on the bill. Like, I'd rather be the opening act.

I'd rather be the, like, the supporting act. The glue guy. Right, the glue guy. Because if the opening act gets sick, I think that's very, very, very smart of him. It's a great analogy. It takes a lot of self-awareness. And yeah, he knows.

He's like big, strong, handsome, all these things. He's going to speak that principle, all the things that Bryce is in love with. He knows this and he's going to say, you things that bryce is in love with he knows this and he's gonna say you know what i'm gonna try my best to be the glue guy which is a great role and i thought it was really you know to me he might have been the player of the episode like i think it was really impressive that on this season he might be the most kind of stereotypically broey macho guy but he's the one on his tribe that connects the most with all the

women really quickly and and and then has the guys coming to him with plans as well and he sort of puts himself at the center i think he analyzes sort of the the plans that are thrown his way and kind of reacts accordingly and is distributing information in like a very balanced way where he's not like really he's not necessarily like later on when he when john and annie come in with this plan it doesn't seem like he's necessarily throwing them under the bus but he takes that information and then goes to the girls and like okay here's a little bit what i heard like how do we go about this so i liked what sam was doing um we also see you know Annika immediately very knowledgeable, talking about, you know, certain things about coconuts in the shelter, and sort of becomes kind of a natural leader, despite not necessarily wanting to. Like we said, Sam wants to be a glue guy, which I think is very, I also love that analogy, because I think it's kind of a, not only a sports reference, but also like a kind of a bro-y friendship reference.

a sports reference but also like a kind of a bro-y friendship reference of i i did understand what he meant like when with your squad there's always that certain guy that you know when they come through it feels like all right now we're ready to like go out and have some fun like he's the he's the one who kind of brings the team together which is a great person to be um sierra you know is talks a little bit about okay she's aant girl, but she's also kind of a tomboy, like growing up as her dad's, who had no sons, kind of instilled some masculinity on her, I suppose. And she's able to start the fire. a little bit later is Andy's sort of earnestly connecting with Rachel. And then in the middle of the night, he's having a little bit of a freak out and he pulls her off to like have a conversation and settle his nerves. And she's really not very about it, which I think for good reason, you know, sneaking off as a pair in the middle of the night

for a variety of reasons can be a very bad look. But that's kind of the things going on at Gata. What jumped out to you guys? What's important? Wendell? No, go ahead. Tell us about Andy. Okay.

Here. Full disclosure. We're big fans of Andy, and he's a friend of the show, he's a friend of BWP, and so it was not

the easiest episode for me to watch or to talk about because, like, I know this guy, I know he's a great guy, but man, did he provide us with some material this episode so for me before we get into that I love Andy I'm a personal friend of Andy I've watched Andy evolve over these last five years so I want to just start with that. Bye.

Because listen, okay. We love you. When John was opening that coconut and that image of Andy looking at him I was like like bro it's a coconut. Angie, looking at him, I was like,

like, bro, it's a coconut. But it was the way Angie was like, she was very, y'all ain't see how I open this coconut. You won't let that, him open, y'all ain't gonna get none of my coconut. It was, it was, that for me took me out. And Bryce. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, but I just want to say like, I relate to Andy tremendously. And I feel like a lot of people can relate to Andy where there's points in your life

where you grow leaps and bounds. And I feel like I struggle with this to this day, where it's like I am mentally at some place that I want to be. And then at times I get put in positions where, and Wendell, you can attest to this, I get put in positions where I am uncomfortable. And when I am uncomfortable, baby, I am not the same brights. And it is a turnoff to some of my friends. I go into my, I go into defense mechanisms that keep me safe, i.e. Irish goodbyes. I like clam up. So like seeing Andy in this moment, I related to him a thousand percent.

And I can understand why he would want to take Rachel off because it's like you need a connection with someone just to see you. So it's like I relate to that. That's like real ish. And anyone that says anything negative about that experience or says that they haven't gone through anything like that, I'm calling you a liar because like people like that, that's real. And I can relate to that. So I just want to say that. Yeah. Yeah. It was tough to watch. Definitely having met Andy as well myself and seeing kind of his journey onto the show, definitely rooting for him and glad he's still around.

I think this is one of those like you said it's it's something that I think at some level we can all kind of relate to Bryce because in any group setting when you kind of whether it's true or not you catch wind that oh maybe this person doesn't like me and then you start thinking with that attitude then you're gonna see everything through that lens of like do these people not like me am I doing something wrong and then you become just like really self-conscious really paranoid about like your Then you're going to see everything through that lens of like, do these people not like me? Am I doing something wrong? And then you become just like really self-conscious, really paranoid about like your own behavior. And that is exactly how it starts to spiral because then things that are so minor and not a big deal suddenly become a big deal.

Like for Andy with the coconuts, you know, he looks like a guy who is comfortable in the outdoors and can chop a coconut. John admittedly, self-admittedly, says he's not. And so that's when he does something good, you give him some support. But, you know, like, if I'm playing, if you're, if it's, if Jonathan Young chops a coconut, you're not going to be like, awesome job, Jonathan. Like, no way you did that. You know, in a way, it's's a little it's kind of a good thing that people aren't clapping for you to do

normal survival tasks because it shows that you seem like you're comfortable but your insecurities won't tell you that like your mind yeah like you know yeah your mind won't but again like maybe they were rooting for

homeboy because they're like, man, this fool can't open the code. Don't tell Andy that, though. Andy's like, and like, why they zooming on his face like that? Like, y'all ain't gonna do my dog like that. It is a testament to

the fact of like, you you know it's not every tribe it's not every season but the the benefits that you have in this game as like a fit guy right you could tank your you could really take your own game and somehow stick around it's like you know if i'm in andy seeing seeing this as the evidence of what could happen i i'd go in there just chill just just chill hang out you don't have to be the most popular person you don't you know whatever um and and all these things go wrong and somehow still doesn't catch a vote against them um and of course that's not the case with every group but you get a lot of liberties when when you're an athletic guy and and he should be aware of that it's like you know going in he is

going to be looked at as an asset so don't allow yourself to get too caught up on like being a target because once you start to think you're a target it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of of then you start to do things that make your I think as I watched him slip and slide into like just worse and worse game moves, I was like, there's no chance he's going home tonight if they lose. I was like, I was like, there's going to, someone's going to talk. This is the perfect opportunity for people to talk to him and use him. this is the perfect opportunity for people to talk to him and use him.

And, and because he is so out there as such a blatant, like this guy is kind of spiraling. He should go diarrhea of the mouth. It's such a great opportunity to just get someone else out of there. Can we jump around Jack? Yeah. Where are we going?

We is going to lay it down on the sand. Okay. Now, I love Andy. Lord knows I do. And this is coming from a place of love. This is how I show love. When Jeff walked over to him and said,

you need medical, what you need? And he said, Jeff, I need everything. I think he said, I gave everything. I gave everything. He said, I gave everything. I also heard, I gave everything he said I gave everything I also heard I need everything I thought he said Jeff I need everything

what you got give it here Jeff was like medical and Jeff walked away Jeff's like man and then I thought he said if he said Jeff I need everything

Andy needs to get on that merch immediately Jeff I need everything he also hit Jeff with an I love you at the end Jeff was like I love you too man and yet I'm in Rome's watch party in Phoenix.

And this is happening on the screen. And I'm sitting next to Arianne, one of my co-hosts on Xtreme. She's never watched Survivor before. This was a quote. She said, the fact that you got people coming out the bushes to take care of this guy, he was shaking like a fish. I'm like, because he was doing a little...

Bruh, he was alright though. It was his pride, right? I don't know, but this is what I can say to you. As someone that knows Andy, when they got back up after they lost and Jeff was talking to him, looking in Andy's eyes,

I really feel like that was not Andy, right? Like, I really feel like, have y'all ever been in those moments where your adrenaline is running and you're like, I don't know what the hell is coming out of my mouth, right? Like, I really, like, I was like looking at his eyes and I was like, this is not Andy right now. Like, this is like, he's just on auto. Like, it's like, it's just on auto like it's like it's not him and it's like again my heart goes out to him because like I you know I know my Andy I love my Andy and it's like it was really hard to watch him speak uh in that moment because it really felt like it was not him at all it was yeah like what was it something it was like some type of like maybe heat induced

psychosis for a second but like i just really believe that like that was not him in that moment he had the raps he had the nervous raps or something whatever it was he couldn't stop talking i mean that he definitely had him exhausted like i don't it wasn't to the point where necessarily like he needed too much medical attention, but I could tell he was gassed. Combined with the emotional turmoil he was going through, I think just threw him into just a craze. And now that we're talking about it, that speech he gave was wild.

Best answer would have been to just not say anything, right? Oh, 100%. Or just spit it a good way, but to be like, in front of everyone, like, I'm a strategist. Like, I know everyone's against me. I know I'm at the bottom. John's my best friend, but I'm going to throw him under the bus. I'm like, all of those things are things that you should not be saying.

Like, it was not good. But I also just think about, like, all of those things are things that you should not be saying. Like, it was not good. But I also just think about, like, for me, it puts me in his mindset, right? Like, I almost felt like I could hear the voices in his head, right? Like, I felt like what he was saying was answering all the negativity in his head. And that's, like, what he was responding to. But for me, it was the other tribes. Like I saw Tiana's mouth just like. Like I saw Tini like, yeah, it was.

Yeah, it was hard to watch. And I'm sure other people and other have different takes on it, but it was definitely hard to watch. But I mean, in a grand scheme of things. Is it a bad strategy? Yes. But, I mean, I have one other quotable from the Watch Party in Phoenix, from our

good friend Tyson. Tyson Abate? I mean, uh, at a school? Tyson? Tyson Abate at a school I mean no I gotta mix up with that

Apostle Tyson Apostle yes he said he knows he's digging his own grave and can't stop himself

he couldn't stop he was going like and I guess all eyes are on you you just had whatever kind of a meltdown and instead of just saying you know what i'm just not gonna self-incriminate you just keep rapping just to get something out there yeah sorry and so excuse me i hate to keep jumping all around, right? I really do feel like the edit, right?

I really do feel like they would have had to do a good job of... I think Andy made a good enough impression with his tribe. Like, I think that they saw the good in him, right? And I also think that first impression that I felt of John I feel like there had to have been more moments of that that we just didn't see or that other people picked up on that

because just the way the vote shook out like for Andy not to be yeah like yes like how I think that they hid that from us like we didn't get to see a lot of those i'm sure they could yeah they definitely could tell he was a threat in the long run that's what you're kind of saying right yeah absolutely and you know it was i guess before

we get over to you know the post challenge stuff um and that ultimate decision i'd love to jump back to the other the other camps real quick okay um we got lava and red and tuku in the blue um so over on on tuku sorry you put up the lot my bad um we so they get back to their camp you know tk has won this extra supplies and sort of the main things going on over there sue is actually making some really strong connections she's got a good connection with gabe good connection with caroline tk immediately is sort of gravitate the guys are kind of immediately gravitating towards tk especially after this big challenge win uh and then you know another big story over there is gabe finding this beware advantage uh tk catches him working the vines and there's kind of some some half lies and weirdness going on there

uh gabe also clues in sue who gives him a lookout and you know gives a shout when people are approaching and then ultimately like we talked about a little bit earlier he finds two boxes and then secures this three tribal idol so what to you guys is standing out on uh tuka when you just showed the photo of their tribe b Bryce, I was just like, man, they look strong. They do. Yeah. Strong. Like the women look strong. The men look strong. Um, homeboy from Baltimore that found the idol. I think he's going to gave, I'm sorry. I think he's going to spice the game up and he's going to be interesting to watch. I like his alliance with Sue. That's an interesting combo for sure.

But, um, even, uh even my man, my man. Kyle. That looks like JT. Reminds me of JT. This is a strong looking tribe. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. I've got some hot takes.

Let's hear them. Should I come out swinging? Yeah. So one, I really love Kyle, right? I did a preseason of Kyle and I was like, I don't know how Kyle is going to do. Hearing Kyle's story about being a foster care at 26 homes, you know me as a social worker, right?

Like I automatically gravitate to Kyle. I think Kyle has an ability to adapt. So I am really loving Kyle a lot. I don't know. I like Gabe. I think Gabe is playing a really, really strategic game. But I just, for me, it is interesting that, like, he chose not to bring in TK, even though TK is clearly not dumb.

And TK is like, you just don't, you ain't just shaking no vines and you find a key. So that was interesting. But then I also thought it was interesting that, like, you just don't, you ain't just shaking no vines and you find a key. So that was interesting. But then I also thought it was interesting that like, you know, then he kind of like tells Sue. And I'm like, oh, okay. And it's from the DMV. Right. They have a connection.

So I thought that was interesting. However, I love Gabe's approach as to an older person on the tribe, somebody like a Sue, like who normally is, you know, what's that as the week, like bringing them in. But I also find from the edit that I felt like, although Sue was happy with Gabe, in my perception, it seemed like we've seen a little more time with Sue and her daughter than Sue and Gabe.

But I love this connection with Sue. And I definitely think this tribe is strong. And so I like them a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of think Gabe and Rome somewhat are sort of two sides of the same coin. Like, you know, they both have this storyline of they find this beware advantage they go a little too hard pre-season i think a lot of people were concerned that these guys were going to go a little bit too hard be a little bit cocky uh and now that they have a little bit of ammunition it'll

be interesting to watch but i do think both of them might fizzle out pretty early. Just because they're a little too enthusiastic. They are. If there's one person I'm worried for, it would be Gabe on that drive, for sure. Because of that. But, who knows? What's going to happen with this advantage? How he finds it? How he uses it?

It was when Gabe dropped the box and Tiana's like, I don't know what's going on over there but that don't sound like rocks shout outs to Sue like he getting firewood girl that ain't no

firewood sis okay but I liked how Sue was like initially like trying to cover for him so yeah I like Sue as well I feel like Sue is. I feel like Sue is strong. I feel like Sue is feisty. I really hope Sue goes deep in the game. Yeah, Sue, I was so fun preseason.

I was a little worried for her as the older woman who's a little bit quirky that she'd struggle to make connections. And so far, she seems like she's at the center of this tribe. So I'm really excited for Sue and think she could go deep. And, yeah, I seems like she's at the center of this tribe. So I'm really excited for Sue. And I think she could go deep. And yeah, I worry for Gabe, again, like, some people just look like they're plotting, kind of. Like, the way that his eyebrows would, like, arch when he was, like, talking strategy

looked almost, like, kind of villainous. And I don't know. Like, personally speaking, he seems like a really chill guy. But it seems like strategically, like perception-wise, people might see him as, you know, A, he's already running off doing things. And if that's the perception people have in mind to see him, like I could just tell when he's like concentrating and like thinking strategy in the brows, like angle.

I'm like, this dude looks like he's going to stab me in the back. And I feel like he said he was going to come into the game and play like that. Exactly. So it all kind of... I'm the gambling man, Jack. I feel like y'all would have a lot in common. The thing is... Now, would I love to play

some cards in the game? Absolutely. But I honestly don't consider myself that much of a gambler. I love poker. We'll hear this thing. I love poker. I play a lot of poker. Well, that's gambling. Of course it's gambling, but

when you're a certain... I would say I'm a very good poker player. Who would say they're not, though? Some people. I have this the stats to back it up i keep track of all the games i play you're a gambler i know but i keep track of my profit which is good so i'm a good enough player where i'm making informed decisions i would say right if you bring me to a roulette table where it's 50 50 or not even and that that to me is

like blackjack roulette other games like that that are pure gambling i don't like to play those i like poker because i know that generally i'm one of the better players at any at the table and so maybe the if the odds basically i could if you're good enough i like a gamble where the odds are in my favor because in the long run you'll make money, I think every gambler says that though, Jack. Yeah, but not all of them. But yeah, but if you go to find someone at the roulette table, that's not just how roulette works.

But people still gamble on it. But I don't do that. But if you give me a gamble where I'm going to win 60% of the time and lose 40% of the time, I'll take it every time because then you're going to have a good outcome because long term you're gonna win but i don't like to gamble on things that are 50 50 because there's no advantage but so i mean so on on paper yes i'm a gambler but in my spirit i i would not say that i'm a gambler i like to i like calculated risk, right?

And Gabe would probably agree with that. I mean, Gabe is probably a calculated risk guy as well. I feel like you're just trying to basically say that, like, I'm a good gambler, so I don't consider myself a gambler. But poker is different than other games, though. But it's gambling, Jack. Yes. Have you ever given Jack money to gamble with?

No, he's not a gambler. What's up? No, I've never given him money to gamble. I won you money playing poker. Oh. Oh. Well, do you remember the night that I gave you money to gamble

you were under the influence what else did we do that day we went to Desi's Bonfire what else did we do that day we had a Jack and I Wendell had a two and a half hour rap cypher.

You don't remember that, Jack? Oh, that was, was that that night? That was that night. Jack pulled us a beat. Yes. We go out after the beach? We know we went out first

and then we walked back and then I just one-stop recorded Jack. After the beach, did we go out and then we went back to my apartment? Yes.

By that point, I was really drunk. So yeah, we definitely were rapping. Okay, we was playing bars though. It's facts. But you're a gambler, Jack. It's fine. Look, I'll just...

It's okay. You're one. Okay, you know what? Let me just say this. I do take my clothes off for money but I am not a stripper

or an exotic dancer because the way my body moves I'm good at it and so they don't throw dollars at me you know they pay bills so i'm not okay an exotic dancer i guess it depends how you define a gambler for me some people will take a 50 50 risk or even worse all the time and that's purely gambling like but for me i only like to take risks if i feel that the i have an edge like the odds are in my favor so yes it's purely gambling. But for me, I only like to take risks if I feel that I have an edge,

like the odds are in my favor. So, yes, it's still gambling, but it's a profitable way to gamble because you know in the long run you're going to profit. What games do you play with those risks? None. No, with the 60%? Poker That's because

You're playing against other people You're not playing against the house You've never gave money in a fantasy football draft I also think I'm better at fantasy football Than the people I compete against Now Have I played blackjack, craps, things like that Where I'm most likely going to lose my money?

Yeah. But I don't do it a lot, and I don't do it with any large amount of money that... If I go to the casino, maybe I'll do 50 bucks on craps with my friends and, like, have fun playing, and I might lose the 50 bucks, but I have fun. So let me just get it straight, Wendell,

so I know the things Jack are good at, he is above the odds so like it's not gambling because he's better at most of the people that do it most casino games you're not good at that now we cross over to fantasy football

yeah I feel like we've had this argument before there's things you can gamble on where you have an edge like like things that require knowledge, like fantasy football or strategy or like poker. But if you go and play roulette, I'm not better than anyone at roulette because you're just picking black or red.

And some people love to go do that. And I would call that, you love gambling. I don't like to do that. I'm not arguing that minutia. I'm just saying that, like, sure, you're a good gambler, but you're a gambler. But I wouldn't say I'm a good gambler. I would say I'm a good poker player. Is poker considered gambling?

It's like a square or a rectangle. Like, it's a different. Have we been on this damn topic? Because Jack's not going to wiggle his way out of this. I've already wiggled my way out of this. You haven't. Okay, I would say I love gambling when it's

something that I have good odds in. I do not like to gamble when I have bad odds. Hey Siri, is Blackjack... Wait, hold on. Hey Siri, is poker considered gambling? odds. Wait, what? Hold on. Hey, Siri. Hey, Siri, is poker considered gambling?

Drop in the comments. Yes, poker is considered gambling. Thank you. Wait, Siri, can you say that out loud? But there's a thing. There's a difference between

saying that I gamble and that I love the gambling. Now you're getting into the semantics. Yeah, exactly. That's why we've been arguing for five minutes. No, you've been saying you're superior, so it's not considered gambling. I would say it's still gambling,

but it's a form of gambling that is like, to me, I think of gambling, it's like you're taking a risk where you don't really know what's going to happen. It's a complete gamble. When do one survivor one time. He's not a good Survivor player. He's not like a...

All right, Jay. Bryce, you lost Wendell with that one. Bryce, watch yourself. Jack, I've talked to you many a days, and you ain't been this good of a poker player. Okay? I'll show you my chart been this good of a poker player. Okay? So I'm just saying.

I'll show you my chart. I'm up a cool 20K, so let's... Is that gambling, Bryce? Over 580 hours, I'm up. My britches got a little wet.

And now you're speaking my language. Now you're speaking my language, Jack. If someone's done something for a thousand hours and they're up $20,000, are they a gambler? That's what I... Okay, Jack, you good. Listen, you good.

Jack, you good at what you do how much you making 10 bucks an hour is that the math 16 bucks an hour yeah I'm making Jack you got part time jobs yeah

exactly if you could make minimum wage doing something you enjoy doing you would take that wait didn't you say you played for 10,000 hours? No, 1,000 hours. Oh, dang.

Do you get a break? You get a 30-minute break. If you could do something you enjoy doing and make minimum wage doing it that sounds like a video game they pay you 10 cents an hour Jack oh Jack

Bryce I don't I don't see your time stamp we can't all win Survivor bro someone's got to do it the hard way Jack was you reading your W-2s? I played 10,000 hours.

Not 10,000. I'm not Malcolm Gladwell. I said a thousand. Jack, man. Over like a long time. 10,000 hours. You're an expert, man. Over like a long time. 10,000 hours. You're an expert, man. I did not say 10,000.

I said 1,000. Did they provide you a uniform? He's got a doctorate in Gilders. Wow. I get churched when I make money. It's crazy. Oh my god. Jack, I'm sorry.

I didn't know we were talking to a PhD, Bryce. Jack. In 10,000 hours hours you're an expert that's why he's not a gambler you gotta do a certain amount of hours I can't win episode one I'm already getting bullied

I already had four friends in high school, too. And now I'm getting bullied. My whole podcast, nobody likes me. I was eating my chocolate-covered pretzels and no one clapped. Jack, how do you find the time to podcast when you got... That's over, like, five years. That's not that much.

It's only 24 hours in a day, Jack. So over five years, you do something for, you do 200 hours a year? That's not that much. I'm 22 years old, Jack. I know, Jack. My man's been gambling since the pre-k.

That's true. Oh, Jack. Oh, my God. When did you start logging your hours? Some of these hours are from before I was logging. Wait, how do you

quantify that? I have 580 hours logged. before I was logging. Wait, how do you quantify that? I have 580 hours logged and I was guesstimating before that I probably played another 500, 600. So technically you logged 580

so that means 9,420 were I said 1,000, not 1,000. This month! Got it. Now, the last thing is, so it's not time fraud.

Are you logging hours currently while we're potting also, or... Because you can get in trouble for that. Just asking. Okay, back to Survivor. I'm done with this. Do you have these stats anywhere else other than your phone? Like, you just keep them for, like, when you intercompete?

Like, no, this is a serious question. What do you do with those? intercompete like now this is a serious question what do you do with those i just i think if you are going to i guess generally engage in any form of gambling you should keep track of how you do to make sure because naturally people tend to think that they make more money than they do or like lose less than they do so So if you track it, you can hold yourself accountable and know if you're actually doing well. I think that's a good idea. Yeah. Because otherwise you just go,

you never track it. You lose a lot and you'll be like, oh, I didn't lose that much. And then you go do it more because you don't think you're losing. Yeah. Anyways, I just shared the thing I'm most proud of

and got it. Don't do that. I've invested in that, Jack. Don't do that. If you're the IRS, this is a fictional podcast. It's only a hobby. It's a hobby.

I've made $20,000, but I've lost $21,000. Not out of here. That's for the IRS. Okay. So now we're back over. What's 9 plus 7? 16. Isn't it 21?

21. So I thought it was 9 plus 10. Was that me? Okay. LeBron James. Do you know what Vine is? Wendell, do you know what Vine is? Yeah, actually, one of my first Vines

was a Survivor Vine at a live casting call you made you made it yeah no that is not the casting call you made no i mean like you made a vine during that yeah i have it on my computer still did they cast you yeah and then i won how'd you do? I didn't make a vine. Yeah, you had a bootleg video. You spent 30 seconds of it. I took a gamble.

You should have gotten that one tribal idol, Bryce. Okay. So we got the red dry rice wasn't thinking about the box yeah we got the red dry didn't see like a ton of them we have teeny immediately building

great bonds with Keyshawn and Genevieve she's excited also about potentially working with asia while genevieve really likes rome and how enthusiastic he is asia gets back from the asia gets back from the little journey and teeny lets her know like hey i've seen you on you know pot survivor podcasting rhap uh and i think teeny handles it well she's like if I blow up your spot that blows up my spot so I'm not going to say anything I saw a very funny

like meme or something about Teenie to Asia in this moment was kind of like Izzy with Sari of like you know recognition it's really smart though because I mean although Teenie's like, it would blow up my spot, it really wouldn't,

right? It's really kind of like, Teenie kind of like, I know you. And so it's kind of like, let's work together, but also it's like, Teenie knows where the bones are laid. So I'm not mad at Teenie in that approach. Like, I feel like, you know,

that's a, I mean, I'm glad that her and Asia are together approach. Like, I feel like, you know, that's, I mean, I'm glad that her and Asia are together, but like, I see you, Teenie. Yeah. Teenie had a great episode. She was really bonding with everybody. And, you know, and then the last thing that we kind of get from the Red Camp is Rome and his beware advantage shenanigans ultimately resulting in well A

him day one being like I told myself you know we saw a little bit of this in his preseason press of like I told myself day one I wanted to go look for idols this and that and I want to be real stealthy about it was not very stealthy about it this ends up with him

digging around in the well for this for this uh key and kind of gets caught by his tribe and just moseys off all soaking wet and people are very suspicious of him you know correct me if i'm wrong i don't think we see sort of the ultimate turnout of like if he secures a long term idol right he risks it for the three tribal one right and then we don't really know exactly what ultimately happens right am I

correct on that I thought wait so we saw him get the three I only I thought we only saw him get the key to the one that might be true I'm really not sure. At the end of the day, we don't know if he's secured any specific idol yet, right? Right.

What do you think that well water tastes like, Wendell? I think it tastes like water, but after Rome's hair was in it, it probably tastes like hair products or something like that because he did a full dunk. He was in there. His feet was

dangling. Bro. Hey, mind you, they said the well was only three feet. Well, he's a little dude, you know. He dove in that whole well. He dove in. I was worried he was going to like fully fall in.

Right. Like, hey guys. What if they had to get him out? That's what I was like. Get out. That would be maybe an all time, the most embarrassing survivor moment ever. If you had to be fished out by your tribe in the well.

What would your cover be like? i dropped my canteen i had to get all is like just stand up um yeah tough tough tough looks for rome kind of similar like we said with gabe like just doing a little too much too fast but i'm curious to see how the I wish we saw a little bit more soul because I really like his personality. But, you know, it seems like I like that we didn't see a lot of soul. Soul is my winner pick. He reminds me a lot of Tony from my season, from the preseason that I saw. So I was very happy not to see a lot of Soul. I also felt like Soul is a little older than the majority of the tribe. So he has that maturity.

So I really have a lot of high hopes for Soul. Yeah, maybe in this case, it's good that he got not that much and that he can kind of build up over time. But anything else stand out to you guys from this red group? I like them. Okay, great.

And then, you know, we've already kind of covered the challenge, which was a disaster with the boats capsizing multiple times. And then, you know, Andy's meltdown and ultimately Gata loses. They go back to camp. Andy's kind of on the outs the obvious the girls tell john the obvious move is to tell andy it's john because he was already throwing john's name out and john doesn't like this he decides like hey let me take the reins a little bit here and try to make a move on annika which you know they try to pull Sam in and essentially he doesn't go for it he goes back

to the girls and kind of lays the situation out and they make the decision between Andy's kind of a loose cannon do we take Andy out or do we save Andy's strength in these challenges and take out John who might be kind of more of a long term threat with his speaking ability and his ability to articulate things

and you know debate skills what did you guys think about Rhett with his speaking ability and his ability to articulate things and debate skills. What did you guys think about John's decision here? Should he have just gone with the flow or does it make sense when your name's on the block to shake things up a little bit?

Me as a one-time person going to tribal, I think that you should shake things up, right? And so the fact that he went home, at least he went home swinging. I just feel like the editing here was interesting because immediately we just see John on the defense and it's like, why are you on the defense?

It really should be Andy. And I think the first red flag was the lady saying like, we're going to go with you. We're going to tell Andy it's like, why are you on the defense? It really should be Andy. And I think the first red flag was the lady saying, like, we're going to go with you. We're going to tell Andy it's you because he won't believe anything else. But then John talks to Andy and he's like, it's Hanukkah. Right. So I feel like I don't believe we're seeing things in the sequence that we should be seeing them in, sequence that we should be seeing them in because even when he was talking to Sam, Sam immediately just wasn't with it at all. So again, it leads me to believe that John was this bigger threat. We just didn't really get to see. And I think that John knew that, which is why he is going out swinging. So I'm not mad at it and good for him for trying to make a move some way, somehow, instead of just like sitting there and gambling it,

gambling on it. What do you think about that? It's tough because I think this, in this instance, I do think when you're being kind of thrown out as the decoy, even if it's true, it's not necessarily like, especially in John's position where he's kind of a big personality and people kind of know his podcast.

If you just sit by, like I would just, it would hurt if you're in his position to sit by and have trust that Andy's going to go. And then ultimately that decision is still going to boil down to Sam and the girls. And they might have sent home John anyway. So I think sometimes you have to know when to chill. But I do think that at least you took some action here. And I can totally see why John did that.

And in this instance, I think maybe for his odds, would have been better if he chilled, still might have gone home. And even if Andy had gone home, the fact that they were willing to throw John out as a decoy, it seems like John probably would have been next. And so I think it's just kind of a bad hand to be dealt. And I can't blame, is it the ideal move? Maybe not, but I can't blame John for hearing that.

It's like, oh, it's you or Andy. And then not wanting to just sit by and accept that. You know what I mean? I like him taking action when hearing it. Yeah. I also felt like, and again, don't get me wrong. Andy looks strong. So does Sam.

But I didn't necessarily see anything that led me to believe that john was weak though that was the thing that was kind of like throwing me off a little bit yeah yeah and maybe that was just an excuse of like kind of cover for the the concerns they had about his long-term strengths as well um i think maybe if i were john that maybe and maybe he did do something and see it rather than really like grabbing the reins and going to sam and be like this is going to be the move maybe let andy kind of take that spearhead that and then maybe if you're john after you can go talk to sam and be like do we want to make a move or do we just want to stick with andy and maybe you get a more honest read out of sam and can be kind of brought into that group a little bit more effectively.

But I don't know. It doesn't seem. And also, we don't know a lot about John's relationships. And I feel like from what we have seen, he has gotten along with Annika. Like he admires her preparation and her knowledge. And so maybe if you're going to make a move, that's someone you'd pull in rather than target because I don't know. I don't know. The problem is for John,

there's not really a good other target to throw out other than Andy, right? What does that say that after this whole episode that Andy had, he received no votes. Kind of like what I touched on earlier. Like if it's early days and you're viewed as an asset in challenges and not like,

I mean, he definitely was rough socially, but not in the sense of like people disliked him, then you kind of just got gotta chill and you'll be all right for the most part now sometimes there's groups where they see that it's a threat and they want to take you out but for the most part if you're if you're an asset these challenges especially in an era of fewer swaps where you might be needed for six challenges it doesn't make sense to cut you loose early or else you might have to vote out the whole tribe. Question. Do we

think that this tribe is going to be a hot mess like historic yellow tribes have been? I don't think so. They won the first challenge. I think they have what it takes. I think

I hope in these upcoming episodes, I hope that Andy receiving no votes validates him and kind of can calm the feelings in his head and that like he can propel himself. Second question, do we think Andy can bounce back? Absolutely. If they go to tribal again, who's next? Probably Andy.

Annika? I don't know, because now you got, I don't know. And my last question, oh, it seems like this is a tribe of a lot of pretty people. Do we see any, maybe happening? happening well sam has a girlfriend i think in this so that would be a girlfriend too okay yep yeah andy has a girlfriend too um although it seems like the person he would be most interested on a on a platonic level wasn't really thrilled about that either rachel so um yeah i don't know i mean

sierra gave me i was impressed with her this episode she kind of gave me um lauren from heroes healers hustlers vibes kind of a niche poll but um i like the i like sierra uh from the way that she talks, her dialect and how she like speaks. You can tell she's from our neck of the woods. She definitely sounds like a Philly adjacent, like not the Philly accent, but like, you know what I mean? Like how she was talking, like, I feel like I hear that type of talk all the time. So it's like, I really like sierra yeah i was impressed with her um and yeah as far as i don't it's a good question because we've seen so many hot mess tribes and on paper i'm nervous the blue tribe looks really strong uh and i think

they don't have a lot of puzzle people so maybe that could be a barrier because um but the red tribe doesn't i think right now on paper that the yellow group is stronger but the red tribe doesn't I think right now on paper the yellow group is stronger than the red tribe although Saul has that bad strength for sure I mean he was a beast I think the blue tribe has the potential of being the

hot mess tribe really? blue tribe? despite the fact that they maybe look the strongest physically? Was they, who, did they both flip over? Yeah, but. I'm just saying. I think J and Tiana are going to be like leaders in these challenges.

And Sue, like you got, man. I'm just saying the potential. I'm not a gambling man. Yeah. I don't got it. I'm just saying the potential. I'm not a gambling man. Yeah, I don't know. I think it will be pretty balanced. But it's hard to say. But you look at the yellow tribe now, and not that Jawa's necessarily weak,

but they don't have any, like, standout weak people, I don't feel like. I do think the blue tribe is going to be pretty strong with like i mean tk is a beast gabe's pretty physical kyle's pretty physical tiana is pretty physical sue is yes and then caroline looks like you know that seems like she's pretty pretty good on the puzzle so they could be one of these tribes that almost steamrolls through to the merge and then the remaining tribes start picking them off yeah um but yeah i guess ultimately you know we've gone i like what we're talking about because it's sort of like what do

we see coming down the line i don't i don't necessarily know who who did we not talk about that you guys have a good feel a good or a bad feeling about that like just wasn't that that much of a genevieve i think it's her name i like genevieve's preseason and i like what i saw from her in the episode of like just her cohesiveness with her tribe so i liked her i think is there there's a racial right yeah i liked rachel uh we didn't see a ton of her but for me as i'm watching i'm like looking at them like interact with other people and i'm like okay they jealous so it's like i really like this uh this cast as a whole like there are a lot of likable energetic, and fun characters that are willing to make big moves.

Overall, I'm very happy with this season thus far. Yeah. Bryce, you kind of reminded me of a point that I wanted to make whenever is that I'm going to call a shot here early. I feel very strongly that this season is going to be

won by another woman because i look at the women in this cast i think they're across the board pretty solid like i look at like you said genevieve i think has a great vibe rachel seems really solid sue really surprised me with how she came out so far teeny is a really strong social game so far. On the flip side, I look at the guys, there's not really one guy that I have super high hopes for right now. I mean, I guess based on what we talked about, maybe for me it would be Sam, but he also has that like physical thing about him where that's not really the archetype of a winner recently

because it could be a physical threat. And then you look at like, I think Gabe and Rome came out a little strong. Saul's a little bit older. I hope to see some stuff from him, but a lot of times it's hard to integrate. TK seems like- Yes, I'm begging. TK seems really athletic and like he's-

But I don't know if he's quite got the survivor mindset from what we saw of like the strategy of it all so I just feel like the women have a lot more winner equity right now

than I think the guys did I agree with that statement but when I looked at the preseason and I looked at the people I felt like this might be a

I think that this we might have a guy winner. Really? Why is that? When I just, when I, you know, did my it's a look with Robert, like I felt like because the women were so strong and standout-ish, I

felt like maybe somebody's going to slip by. And after this episode, like, I was like, Kyle has no chance. I really like Kyle. I like Kyle, too. I want to see more Keyshawn as well. We didn't see...

Yeah, I like Keyshawn. Dr. Patel. Oh, I like Dr. Patel. I could see Dr. Patel. He's probably... He'd be in the conversation, too, of the guys. But that's just my shot

that I'm calling just on the surface. I think across the board, I think the women are really strong players. And across the guys, but that's just my shot that I'm calling just on the surface. I think across the board, I think the women are really strong players and across the board, I don't see as much for the guys. Well, I mean, this

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