RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 49 Episode 12 Recap: Candy Yams

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 49 Episode 12 Recap: Candy Yams The baby boys are back in the booth for another round of Survivor News as Brice, Wendell, and Jack dig into Survivor 49 Episode 12, “The Die Is Cast.”   With the endgame fully locked in, the beach is buzzing as advantages collide, loyalties wobble, and one wrong move threatens to send carefully crafted plans crashing down. From a high-stakes scramble for power, to emotions spilling over as the pressure of Day 23 hits, to a wild tribal council where trust, timing, and pure nerve all get put to the test, the trio breaks down the mess, the mayhem, and the masterstrokes. The baby boys are cutting up, clocking the strategy, and serving that signature Survivor News spice as they unpack the chaos that sets the stage for a finale that’s looking real unpredictable. Tickets are now available for Brice and Wen 49 Survivor Watch Party Tour!  Grab your tickets here: https://briceandwenpresent.flite.city You can also watch along on Brice Izyah’s YouTube channel to watch us break it all down. https://youtube.com/channel/UCFlglGPPamVHaNAb0tL_s7g   LISTEN: Subscribe to the Purple Pants podcast feed  WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks! Previously on the Purple Pants Podcast Feed: Purple Pants Podcast Archives

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Babeay, Jack Wendell and myself, we are hot to trot. We got a lot to get off of our chest. So much happening, so much anticipation for this episode and we are breaking it all down. The knowledge is power. The fumble moves by multiple

people said by Jack. This and so much more, let's get into this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News. Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News, Survivor News. Welcome back to your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 49. One would say the episode of the season that has just happened. We are back, your baby boys.

Let's welcome back. Let's go in a different order because we got Jack with the new haircut. Oh, Jack with the new haircut. Oh, Jack with the new haircut. Skip. Jack with the new haircut. Oh. I'm talking about in there.

We got the baby boy from the Circle Season 2. The floor is lava. We got Jack with the new haircut looking like he's 12 again. Jack was popping. What's up? Yeah, I got a fresh cut this morning. Had to literally get some shit off my mind so I could be able to talk about this episode. And I got it all boiling up, but I'm very excited to get into it.

Yes. Well, we're excited to have you. and straight from the Polar Express, by way of the North Pole. We've got Santa's biggest elf, the winner of Rome. Well, that is. Rome is Santa's smallest elf. Oh, right. We have the winner of Ghost Island, and not to be confused with the second or third,

but we have winners at war, first merge boots, when DZ elf Holland was popping with you. Weezy elf hollin in the building. How we doing? I decided, you know, it's December and, you know, I want to get in the spirit. I'm picking up Wenny at 9 in the morning. I might wear this outfit to go get him. I don't know. But your boy's in the spirit.

Wendellth Holiday. Oh. This is the season for thanks for giving. For Chris, for Mus, for Han, Naka, for Kwan, Azah. Yeah, the baby boys are back. Jack, we just got back from Boston, our Boston stop last night. Shout out to the Bean Town for pulling up on all tree of the baby boys, Wendy Zee, Ozzie and myself were in Boston.

Boston did not disappoint this season. Boston has been showing so much love. And so it was good to see our family. friends, because at this point, Boston is like family. I say it once. I say it again. Boston is Philadelphia's cousin city. Very similar. Very different, but very similar cities. The energy on Boston was electric and amazing.

Funny enough, I had text Charlie to come, and Charlie was like he's being boggled down with work. And so Charlie wasn't able to make it. And then, Jack, we mix in throughout the night and I meet this young lady and she's like, you know one of my friends. I said, well, she said, actually, he's my employee and I'm his boss. Charlie's boss was in the building.

And Charlie's boss was like, I left a lot of things on his plate to do. But she texted him and said, worry about that tomorrow and get down here. And so shout out for Charlie for pulling up. And also shout out to his boss for letting him slide on some of that work. We'll get that done another day.

But, yeah, Boston was so much fun. What was your takes on Boston? Well, yeah, we were able to see a lot of people. A lot of people came out. It was our second time stopping in Boston this season, which is, you know, we don't usually do that. But Boston has that kind of energy. They showed love.

We didn't really announce that Bryce, myself, DJ caution, and Joey Hatch were coming. So it seemed like a lot of people were excited to see, us. They were very, very excited to see Ozzy, which was really cool. It was cool to see. He brought basically like a whole new audience out for us. And Rodney popped up. It was good to see Rodney, Kevin Slay, who were a bunch of friends. We had some squids. And we had Val Collins pull up. Yes. And very interesting, Jack. You know, one of Wendell's winner idols is Jeremy Collins. And, you know,

Wendell, you watch his multiple of his Survivor audition tapes. He talks about Jeremy. You have a million. I need him some bad, Wendell. And I now see why Wendell

and Jeremy, like, why Wendell idolizes Jeremy, because Jack, Jeremy was in the building yesterday, and you could tell it was a newer type of outfit for Jeremy, like the fit on Jeremy's clothes were a little more baggier.

He had like a graphic t-shirt. He had like a hoodie, a scully that matched the hoodie. He had a jacket on, like camel color, like, yeah. I said, Wendell, that looked like you. I said, Jeremy, are you trying something new? And shout out to Jeremy because he was like, y'all know this. Yeah, we noticed, Jeremy. Go back to the other style.

Damn. He had the baggy jeans on. Is there a picture of this? They'll be released on the Bryson Winne page. I'll tag you, Jack. But his lips were still ashy. We had to run up on them with some chapstick. We had Aaron Meredith in the building.

We had Bruce Pertensuit in the building. We had who? Because he's listening. Go ahead. Bruce Pertonsuit. You just asked. added, like, seven letters in our day. Heart in suit.

What's his last name? Pursuit. Parole? There's no ass, is there? Peru? I thought it was, like, parole. Yeah. Parole.

Shout out. Shout out to Bruce. I am the true Prince of Providence, and so it was good to see Air Meredith, Air Meredith. That's my dog. Oh, that's my dog, too. Our friend.

Say what you want about season 39, but he and I, he and I were on the same tribe together in a live game back in the day. And it's funny because he mentioned that. Also, shout out to one of our faithful listeners, Sunshine from Philly Survivor, winter season three. He knows Aaron. So Aaron and I were talking to him about that. Shout out to Noel.

was in the building with her husband, Mark. We know the Beast games just released, and we got Noel. We see Jesse Lopez. Jesse Lopez says, Survivor 50 what? Call me Mr. Beast. We got Jared Fields.

There was a lot of crossing over on the Beast game, so I'm excited to see that. And my company passed that, too. So they're super excited about it. I didn't work on it, but they're very excited about that as well. So they know all. Who was on there? Who?

So, oh, yeah, tsunami. tsunami is on there. There's a lot. Is Sammy Laotti on there, too? I think Sammy, I think you might be. I'm not, I feel like there's one or two more. I'm not, I'm not sure. One or two.

They cast so mad. I just kept on scrolling. Oh, Sydney? Sydney. I just kept on scrolling and seeing more and more survivors. I have a couple of my buddies from L.A. are on it, too. Yeah. Every time Wendell was seeing it, he would leave four higher.

I mean, the first year was like a thousand. So now they're, you know, it's a little, it's a little tighter. I thought they started with like 4,000 or something. Oh, wow. I think the first season did and they cut it down before they've actually filmed. But I think this one, they were a little more like intentional with it. So 200? Yeah.

Nice. Nice. Fresh off of a, fresh off of a Twitter beef. We had Justin Piopi there with Luigi's pizza. Shout out to my third boot brother. he had some things to get off his chest Who was he be phishing with? Oh, you haven't seen the Twitter street?

I'm not on Twitter. Unless my name's in someone's mouth. He pulled up with 10 pies. He pulled up with 10 pies, but he's definitely beefing heavy with somebody over there by you, Jack. He's not, well, some would say he might be loud and wrong, but he had to get some things. off of his chest.

Surprise, surprise. It was interesting to watch. But yeah, there was Boston just shows so much love and we are eternally and forever grateful. It's crazy to think that that was episode 12. Multiple stops on the Bryce and Wind Tour 49, the blueprint, and we only have one slash two more stops left. I can't believe it, but next week is

the grand finale of the finale of this season will be coast to coast in New York City and in L.A. Ozzie and Tiffany are holding it down for us in L.A. And Wendy Z. and I will be in the Empire State City. Tickets are available. And after this episode, it is sure to be a hoot and hot of a episode because it's a lot to get through, but super excited to see everyone next week.

Yeah, I'm excited for L.A. Yeah. L.A.'s going to be dope. L.A.'s going to be dope. All right. Well, you know, I guess we should get to that episode, but, you know, before we get into that episode, how was that, how's your mental health, Jack?

How's your mental health, Wendy Zee? How's everybody doing this? The holidays, a lot going on, a lot moving and shaking. How's everybody's thermometer? Doing all right. Okay. Things have been a little bit slow, but I've got some exciting stuff coming up in the next month or so. And so just buckling down until then, traveling a little bit for Christmas soon.

So just taking it easy until that. Okay. Will you, where are you traveling? Will you be on Chicago? Oh, shout out to Chicago. What about you, Wendy'sie? I'm doing well, you know, I'm just getting ready for Christmas. and got some

things in the work for Wennie that I got to build on a Loseki-Wolski and surprise him with trying to do a little rock wall, a bigger version. You know, so just the rock wall?

Will we be creating a tunnel through a wall that's something that he specifically asked for? He did not ask for that. You've continued to ask for that, Jack. You know, I have a little home gym in my basement that when he is commandeering. It's his home Wennie room

and I was going to build a rock wall on one of those walls and Bryce suggested that I cut a hole through the wall so you can see from this play area to my normal basement area and I told him

no I will not be doing that. I'll see what nominations I put in for Daddy of the Year this year if there's no hole in the wall. Bryce, it's not a glory hole. It's like, I don't want

to, Bryce, now Jack, what is that? What is you doing in the homosexuals business? I mean, I think everyone is familiar with that term. It's not a way. What is that? I'm not saying that I'm

I've used it, but you, I know the terminology, and I don't know what else want a hole in the wall for it. Just just climb a little bit. Wow. Why he's going to be trying to have different, it's separate, completely separate. Leave the baby alone.

I said that. I was talking about it back to a regular, practical thing, not related. Then I see, yeah. Do you guys come over? I'll have you know I was the ladies

I was not I was going back to just the rock wall like no yeah nothing about it oh it's a rock wall all right I'll have you know that during COVID

the New York City CDC put out some safe practices and they had a GH on their wall for safe COVID practices. I'm just saying. Insane.

How do you find this? Were you looking up the COVID section on one of those websites? No, I was not. And also in, hold on, do we have a in this week's

rumor alert on Survivor News, Bebe, the streets is talking about the challenge. And I'm hearing that the challenge is potentially, I believe, a season in the upcoming season, they might be court in Austin LeCoon. My man, my man, my man, my man. I've seen that on the Twitter streets when I was perusing. I saw a little something about that.

But I haven't heard anything else other than just like the rumors. Why didn't you turn on the police hot siren? Because it's a hot alert. It's a rumor alert. Nice. So listen, I might not be able to help him with the hall, bro, but I can help him practice with the... Nothing. Nothing.

Nothing. No. Just don't invite him to the rock wall. That's, I'll be like, where'd this hole come from? Why is it waste length? Okay. All right, can we get started? We apologize, listeners.

Well, listen, let's jump it off. Put your thoughts through the hole and let's talk. I'd like to say this was the episode that I had big, big plans for Sophie. This was one episode to win the game. I agree with you. And we have been given permission from her brother Joey to grind her up this pot if we have to. you said let her know damn

well and she wasn't even the worst one in the episode she was not she was not great but there were two that were bad too so we got a lot to a lot to dive into yeah I feel like we have to just start with

this tribal and with all this different something I mean you started with Sophie and her knowledge is power let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's start with sophy i mean what do what did she go wrong what should she have done she spilled she spilled the beans she did such a we watch this woman navigate this game she's the last person standing from her tribe she's talking to these people talking to these people it looks like she's getting in with everyone she's good she finds this advantage she's hiding it she's like yeah i'm hiding i'm staying low

stand low, stand low till the ninth hour they feed her some Mexican food and the margarita. And the margarita. I thought of you, Jack. I said the margarita curse. If you don't get voted out, it's going to have you at least, it's going to have

your lips loose, you know? Yeah, it's crazy to see because all season we've been seeing Sophie talk about her position in the game. She's had it the absolute worst. She's been to every single tribal. She's been for,

through war. And she has continuously told us the viewers that, hey, I'm with Savannah and Riz because it works for my game. If it does not work for my game anymore, I will jump shit. And I think that this is an example of when you get too locked in with a group. Like I feel like Destiny's Child, Jack, you know, Survivor has a theme song because of Destiny's or Destiny's Child wrote a theme song of Survivor. They couldn't keep members in the group. And so Beyonce was like in an interview, they acted like who's going to get voted off next. But then we got the perfect mix of Destiny's Child.

We got a Kelly, a Beyonce and a Michelle. They rose to stardom, multiple albums, platinum, and then they dismantled where they all sought solo success. Michelle went into the gospel industry. She went into plays. Kelly did movies. Kelly released number one singles. Beyonce did the Beyonce thing, right? They knew that this superpower, this group, like, we've got to spread our wings.

And I feel like Sophie got too comfortable. And I'm not mad at it. And we were talking at our Survivor party. I was talking to an amazing fan. And they were asking me, what was my biggest takeaway from Survivor? And I was like, well, I got to remember because I was only on their first jacket. But listen, shout out to the Purple Pants Posse member, Bobby Hall, who doesn't like me to talk like that. because, listen, third boot or not,

the baby boy is a survivor legend in my own right. And my own right, meaning my mom, I'm a survival legend to my mom. More than that. But I was telling him that what you can't sometimes anticipate is the emotions, right? For me, when I heard they was writing my name down, my emotions said, oh, no, got to open up the glory hole

and shoot through it. Okay. But I also think that it works both ways. It works with anger and it works with love. I think that Sophie trauma bonded with Savannah and Rizzo. And now she's looking at it like we are one. Like I got to work with them. Like she got to that advantage with the letters. You know the family visit. The letters is one of my favorite episodes. Emotions are running high. And now she feels bonded. And she's like, I need to work with these people. but I think that, and Sophie even said it, like I'm sitting here with two people that are going to be my best friends

for the rest of my life. Like, they are amazing. But I think in that, Sophie might have got caught up a little bit and forgot that, like, baby, it's only one sole survivor. And on your resume, you need it. You need to take a shot.

And they, if they are your best friends, they'll respect it. But I definitely think she got a little loss in the sauce. And it kind of was like, I don't want to say it was a letdown, because it's like we don't take any Sophie B. Slander over here but it was like

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could say kind of embarrassing, but I don't think that execution of that was necessarily bad on her end, right? Like, we talked about this last week, like, how are you really supposed to know that Stevens thing is going to get played before tribal council? And they obviously don't know that you have it. So it's like most times that would work and she would probably be able to steal Stevens advantage. But I think what you guys hit the nail on the head for is like, it's less of like the use of the knowledge of power like executing that right. And it should have just been like I think a move against Rizzo um and in some ways I see why like she still could have an option at five to flip but I think you just need to like make your move and make a game winning play

here and take the idol from Rizzo and I think if she plays her cards right not only can she take the idol from Rizzo she could probably save it this tribal um maybe she maybe she presents the plan to like Stephen and Christina and Sage of like I'm going to use this and take his idol and then I think you just bluff and say you're going to play it for yourself so that they don't get ideas of like still voting you out and then you have an idol at five you play that and as long as you win fire like I think she wins the game and like that's a big swing now she just kind of even like even if it had worked against Stephen it just still sort of feels like a safe move um granted if it worked against Stephen then she maybe she has options at five but then

Rizzo, you know, still has his idol. And there's a great chance that Rizzo or Savannah could win this challenge at five and then to use the idol on the other person. And now you're sitting with one of them at the end, like regardless of what happens. There's a great chance that Rizzo might win this challenge. Rizzo or Savannah. Oh. And if one of them wins.

What challenge has Rizzo won this? Well, you know what I guess with Stephen out of now. No, I'm serious or Savannah. Savannah wins the challenge. Rizzo plays the idol on himself. And I also think, like, a lot of times the first. final five challenge it's a little bit it's a lot of times it'll be like a big opposite course there's a puzzle at the end it's a little bit more stamina based so I don't

think Rizzo's been great at these like endurance balance challenges but I do like his odds more in like a running and like a puzzle situation and then you add in Savannah who's been a challenge beast if one of them wins the other one gets the idol and then one of them's going to be sitting in the final three and you're cooked and I think that applies to the logic that Christina and Sage used too. But staying on Sophie, I also think, like, this is really like minor, a little bit more meta. You know there's spots for 50, right?

And so you shouldn't just be playing to get on 50. You should be playing to win. But I think if you're on the fence about taking a big swing, that push of this, you know, this can help cement me a spot on the next season too, which not only is it like a legendary season to be on, but that's another chance to win. like at least a million bucks.

So, you know, you might as well take the big swing because I think if she does that, we could be seeing Sophie on 50. And so not, and I think it would help her win 49 and then also get on 50. So it's kind of two birds with one stone. And she just kind of took, I see the logic.

I still think she has some maneuvers left that she could pull. But I think there was a way she could have played it that really would have just like giving her a great chance. to win and again like a great chance to maybe get on 50 too so my i'm with you jack right like i don't think it's the worst move ever right like you can recover the thing that concerns me the most is the jewelry perception right like we saw the jury look at this misstep and i think that that is going to be ingrained in the jury's mind and so i think that that for me who cares if it didn't work out or not right like whatever for me it's the jury and what the jury will

perceive. And so say you make it to the end. And I just feel like you can give a great case, but now the jury is going to be like, well, that one move, like that was a, that was a big bomb. And, you know, she cocked the gun back. She, you know, it was an old gun. It was one of those guns that you had to put the, the powder in it. You had to stuff it. You had to. Okay. She pulled the trigger first. It didn't even pop off. And so that was like my bigger thing around it, where it was like, ugh. However, she still is in a great position. and her resume does speak for itself. And so I just...

But the resume is a lot weaker now. Yeah. And I totally agree with you. It's like she spent, I think that was a great analogy. She spent the whole game with this secret knowledge of power loading up her arsenal getting ready to fire a big shot and then shoots a blank. Even though it wasn't like the Stephen Advantage thing was hard to predict.

And like I could understand that as a like analyzing it. But you're absolutely right about the jury perception of like, like you just shot an airball. Maybe the basket moved a little bit, but you still shot an airball. And so it's definitely going to be hard for it to recover, especially when the alternative, I feel like was a game winning type of move. I think in the new era, we see a lot of these winners, it's the game is a little bit more under the radar, a little bit quieter.

And then it's like marquee moves at the final six or the final five where you make your stamp on the game and then there's not a time to like, you know, retaliate for people to get you out because you get you get you're safe at five you know you get an opportunity to make fire and then you win and so that's that's just like the time to to make the play and she didn't go for it i think i think we're like i think all season we were readying for this big move and she was talking about it she was talking that good game and i'm like yeah she's she has that in her arsenal and then i was just like dag home you had you had one And Sophie even tweeted, she said,

had I felt unsafe before tribal, I would have taken the idol. Has Savannah not one immunity, I would have taken the idol. Only threat option left with Stephen. And so again, it's interesting to hear Sophie's mind, but it's like,

well, there was a threat option left that was Rizzo. Well, right. She could have made a move. It was less about getting herself safety and more about making people. Right, that, but how do you put that, sorry,

that's cut you off, Jack, but I think that's like such an interesting point. that I want to talk about where it's like when you're in these positions because and you have to think about Sophie all she's been tribal after tribal after tribal after tribal like her body her nervous system is like I got to be safe I got to be safe

I got to be safe and it's like that perspective makes so much sense where it's like I didn't do it because I was safe but it's like it's not about actually you being safe it's about you being preempted and like knocking these MFs out and the thing is like if I if we were to have a conversation with Sophie, I think she can explain it in a way that makes enough sense from her

perspective in the moment. To me, I feel like she probably evaluated Stephen as being a similar threat to a Rizzo. And so she went for like, well, I might as well get Steven out. Maybe the edit he hasn't even shown us, but like, had this move worked for Stephen, his stock would have skyrocketed. The problem is, by not going for that play, Rizzo keeps his idle. Rizzo's going to be safe. She's never going to have the opportunity to, like, make that move. There is maybe a world where she could get Savannah out at five. She could get Rizzo out at four. And I think she could still win.

But I think that path is a lot harder than, like, you just take the swing, you keep the idle, you get to five, you win fire. Like, everyone's rooting for you on the jury. So, yeah, I feel like she. Hold on, Bryce has a call. Hello? The call is coming from inside the house. Sophie, that's the problem.

The call was coming from inside the house. She said if she felt like she was unsafe, she would have took the idol. The only threat that was left was Stephen. The problem is, baby, the call is coming from inside the house. The threat is inside the house with you. You are, again, when they say you get too comfortable in the game, right?

Like, your threats are Savannah and Stephen. They're the call in the house. And Rizzo. Rizzo, I'm sorry, Rizzo. The call is Stephen and Rizzo. The call is coming from inside the house. Your perceived threat because it's Steven. We got to get them out.

But baby, hear me out. Hold my hands, Sophie, because I love you. I would think the jury would look more favorable at you if it were you and Stephen. not you and Savannah or you are Rizzo, right? Because y'all been working together for so long. And so that's like, oh, but it's all of these nuances that I love about Survivor, where it's like we've been working as a three oh together. So let's bang these people out.

But then at some point in time, you got to cock that gun. You got to go Jesse Lopez. Yeah. And I also see, like, Stephen, I think was more of a threat than the edit necessarily gave him credit for him. And had this move worked out, I think his stock would have. really risen. But at the same time, had Sophie made this move and taken Rizzo's idol, Stevens' advantage wouldn't really matter anymore. So then you're kind of lowering his stock because you kind of preemptively made that move with him. This would be much more of a Sophie

move. So she could still, the idol would be hers. Stevens threat level wouldn't maybe be as high as it could have been. And then, yeah, I think you get like, you can get Savannah out. You can get, like, it just creates a clear path for Sophie to get to the end with like a sage and a Christina and have made in like taking all the agency into her hands and but now she doesn't really have a whole lot of agency she kind of just went along for the Rizzo and Savannah Trent or like the ride and again like I said she could still maybe get to the end with Christina and Sage and win but it's like that's going to require like Rizzo and Savannah got to lose the next immunity and then one of them's got to lose the final four and lose fire and all of those things

just seem like a little bit of a long shot. But she's, yeah, she's, she's like slimming her opportunity, her opportunities to win at the end. Now it's like a much more narrow. Path. Needle that she has to thread. Yeah, yeah, path. And like, as someone on Ghost Island, you and Dom dominated the game together.

There were opportunities that you could have taken Dom out, but you guys chose to ride. there was more opportunities for Dom to take you out. But you guys, I rewatch Ghost Island, I saw. But you guys decided to work together. Is there any part of you that sees that in what Sophie is doing? Can you empathize with the move of her trying to keep Destiny Child together? Or do you still just disagree?

I'd say the Wendell and Dom in this situation would be Rizzo and Savannah. Mm. And, oh, shout out to Proops. He mentioned our duo on the On Fire Pod this week, you know. He said that there will. He said that someday there will be another Wendell and Dom. But, yeah, in this case, it's like Sophie is fighting against two very strong players. Or two very strong players, one of whom has like a lot of stats to back it up.

The other has a lot of flashy moves to at least argue something. And we don't know what the jury is going to make of these. We have seen some faces. We don't know what they'll make of his flashy moves. But he's been doing a lot. And maybe he'll be able to say some kind of explanation about it. Like, hey, look, I've been waving this idol in y'all faces seven times straight. And I had to find different ways to fake it.

I don't know. should credit be given to Savannah and Rizzo for because everyone you, Jack and Winder, y'all keep saying the clear duo is Rizzo and Savannah, right? Like, and that's what we see at home. But should there maybe be some credit to a Savannah and we know that she's revealed some things to a Sophie? We know that like their relationship is close. Is there any world where it's like there should be maybe some credit given to

Samantha for insulating Sophie to make her. her seeing that like, you are my girl, you're my number one. Because that would lead me to believe it. That's how Sophie feels some type of way. Then it would make sense as to why she wouldn't maybe target a Rizzo and maybe Savannah and her have a plan to target Rizzo. Is that landed or that's just? No, I think, I think it's all sort of mutual amongst those three of them

keeping each other comfortable as a tight alliance. I mean, I could also see a world where Sophie thinks that, especially if her shot in the dark goes, or sorry, her knowledge as power goes well, I could see her thinking that she could beat Savannah and Rizzo. Like, Savannah and Rizzo aren't necessarily the most popular in the jury.

Like Rizzo's been a little bit, maybe too flashy, which as an audience has been very entertaining. But as the jury, you know, every time he stands up and kind of has a lot of bravado and that doesn't even do anything, I can see some,

I can see like, Nate being like, like, Brett, what are you doing? Like, just, and then Savannah has rubbed some people the wrong way too. so it's one of those things like I could see why Sophie has that like I can see in the moment why Sophie came to this decision right um but I just think you gotta take the swing at six and like go for it and put the feelings aside because if you put the feelings aside I think it's I think it's a stronger move can I go a little dark here for a second right ahead now I love everybody. I am mad at somebody this episode,

somebody that I've been rooting for all season. I've been keeping my, my boogers, my blackheads, and my puss from my pimples in a jar because of this person. And I'm mad at Sage. And sometimes when you're mad at your friends or your loved ones,

you got to let them know. And I'm mad at Sage because I was last week I said served at Revenge Hot. Give it to me boil it. But I'm a little disappointed in my girl Sage because I feel like

why and why are you flipping on Stephen? And again, I'm not the greatest survivor savant, but from my standpoint, one, I would think, please, y'all, please pull up to the hole and tell me what y'all thinking.

I would think from my perception that I would rather a Christina and a Stephen, if I'm a sage, than anyone, I would rather sit next to them than I would want to sit next to a, Savannah, Rizzo, or a Sophie B. That's the devil you know. So this was the thing I was the most excited to get into, because I think Sophie's move, like, it didn't really shake out. It was a little bit, it wasn't a big swing and I was frustrating. But I think if we spoke to her, she would have a defense for it that, like, would make some sense in the moment.

For Sage and Christina, I think it's one of the. most like incomprehensible terrible moves that we've seen like in a long time and i actually think that i see more of their logic than i feel like maybe most people do but even looking at it from like the best case scenario it's still really bad in my opinion so shed the logic baby boy so what i will say that maybe people weren't considering in retrospect is if Sage and Christina went along with this Stephen vote and voted out Sophie, Stephen's going to get a lot of credit for this big move. Because honestly, even though Stephen went home, he played this pretty perfectly.

Like, this is what Stephen should have done. If this had worked, he would have had a great shot to win, I think. Because if they vote with Stephen and Sophie goes home, Stephen successfully evaded the knowledge of power, played his block a vote correct, evaded Rizzo's idol and voted out Sophie. And in that case Sophie's out. Sage, Christina are left with

Rizzo Savannah and then a Stephen who's just made a really big play. And I think in their minds maybe they think if Sophie's out, we can't beat any of the other three. So like I think that's where their logic was in the moment, which in a vacuum makes sense. But then the other things to me are by voting out Stephen at this point

they're just going with the plan of the other three and so and I actually think it worked out for them better than they even anticipated because with Sophie fumbling her knowledge is power that actually lowers her stock a little bit but they don't know about her knowledge as power so say you know in their minds it's just going to be like the five of them vote out Stephen

and then they're left with Sophie Rizzo and Savannah they kind of willingly leave themselves in a minority being the two against that three where Sophie probably has better winner equity because in their minds there's no knowledge as power. So they probably still don't be any of those three. And then simultaneously because they don't make this move with Stephen, it's just like, at least going with Stephen, you like make a move and you're a part of a move. And then maybe you can hurt the other side and reduce their resume.

and then maybe you get out Stephen Nexvote and then maybe there's some wiggle room where they have some agency and they've made moves. But by just going with this, you're kind of just handing it to Sophie Rizzo and Savannah going along with what they want. And now if they get to the jury,

even if they get to the final three with Sophie, that's going to require that Sophie has now flipped over to them and Sophie's going to get credit for making that move at five or whoever makes the move. There's no path now where Sage and Christina can get to the end and be like, oh, we did this. Like we made this move. so even if there's like we thought stephen was a bigger target it's like well okay so did the three that's been running the game so you kind of just went along with what they did and then my last note on all of that is i think that they were looking at it as a um a stephen versus sophy thing like savannah's safe we're not going to vote for each other um do we think stephen or sophie's a bigger threat like who would we rather sit with and i can i see why in their mind especially if you look at the potential outcomes of this vote

that Stephen could be a bigger threat. But the problem is they also just ate up everything Rizzo told them. Because to me, if you know Steven's blocking a vote and voting for Sophie, you can use your two votes to force a two to one. I think they and someone, I got to give credit to whoever commented this on Reddit or whatever. Sejana and Sage, I think, should have just voted for Rizzo. because if he plays his idol, Stephen goes home anyways

and at least you flush the idol and you have some moves to make at five. And if Rizzo doesn't play his idol, now Christina and Sage could, like those two alone could take credit for blindsiding Rizzo with his idol and now they're back in the mix. There's no idols at five.

They could vote out whoever they want. And then at that point they could take, maybe take Sophie to the end and she's been out of the loop on this final six vote. And then she's just kind of forced to work with them at five to take out like Stephen. And so to me, if they do that, there's really no downside. So ultimately, like, I think they just weighed it as a Stephen versus Sophie thing,

and I can sort of understand why they did that. But now it's just like they have nothing on their resume at the end. And also, and I kind of say the most frustrating thing about this is a lot of things, sorry, this is my last little thing. No, pop off, King. thing about this is a lot of times we see people play safe because it's out of like loyalty right and it's hard to necessarily fault someone maybe it's an older player and they have their

alliance and we're not going to expect them to shake up the whole game like they're loyal to their people they made this this move they made was disloyal they voted out their guy stephen so they literally like flipped to the other side to vote out there like to be disloyal to their to their main man stephen who's trying to save the game for all of them with this move. So not only is it just like not great gameplay, it's also like disloyal. So like

it's like you're flipping on your guy and it's a bad move. So that's what really frustrating me. Is a passive gameplay still gameplay? Not really. It's a gameplay just simply because of the fact that you are in Survivor

playing the game, but it's not a winning game. It's not a gameplay that you can be like this was my game. You know what I I mean, well, I'm just trying to wake it up and ask is a pet, like, but answer my question, Jack, is a passive, so is an aggressive gameplay a gameplay? Yeah, well, I think. Yes or no? Well, it's nuanced. It's nuanced.

To me, good gameplay is maximizing your agency. Oh, like, and being more aggressive means you're making moves. You're going out and making things happen and you're creating agency for yourself through your social play, through your votes. If you're being passive and sitting back, that's just kind of a lack of agency. Okay. All right. So, I mean, I'm curious if you, like, where, how would you think that a passive gameplay is? Because, okay, but good, good answer.

First of all, it is a balance, though, because if you're always aggressive, it's too much. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but at the final six, and you, if you've been passive the whole game, you can't keep you. No, but, all right, okay. Not too much, Jack. No, no, no. But listen, yes, yes or no, is aggressive gameplay consider gameplay? I mean, yeah.

Yeah, you're nay. I mean, if you're putting gameplay in the name of it, then obviously it's gameplay. Okay, okay, you got me. Okay, but still, yes or no. But okay, so. Sure, yeah. Yes, yes. That's it. Thank you.

It's all more nuanced than yes or no, though, but sure, go ahead. I'll play along. Thank you. Windezy is aggressive gameplay gameplay, game play? Yes. Jack, is no gameplay gameplay? No. Okay.

Is no gameplay, no gameplay? No. Is passive gameplay gameplay gameplay? But would you equate? Yes. Yeah, but would you, wouldn't you equate passive and no as being sort of similar? No. It has to be passive to means to be like not doing much.

And somebody that's been in the corporate field for sometimes, you sometimes have supervisors and coworkers that do the most, right? And sometimes you got to be passive and allow Billy Bob to get his agenda off, even though you didn't vote. for the holiday potluck, right? But if you gave a big, oh, I don't want to do it, I don't want to do it. Everybody looking at you like, you crazy. However, you being passive could be like, okay, sure, Billy Bob, I'll bring the soda.

And then at the holiday potluck, when Janice brings an unseasoned turkey, when Michael brings a lasagna catfish, and everybody is like, ugh, that's nasty. Sometimes that's better than I told you so. So I'm just saying, like, sometimes being passive work. So my only question, I know, some, I'm just saying, is there a world where, yes, Sage and Christina, they flip to the other side?

But is there a world that Sage was looking at Stephen like, he's like, damn, they got the numbers. There's a lot going on. Yes, it is, I do need to get him out because I can't beat him. However, I do know that this three over here at some point in time will have to implode. And maybe their gameplay is, and we know that Sophie has been talking to Christina. We know Sophie has been talking to stage. So maybe they're like, I'll be passive. I'll let you have this potluck.

Go ahead. You got a potluck. I'm going to bring the silverware. I'm not cooking nothing. And then when a potluck come and the turkey is nasty and now we have to order dominoes is with Domino's is what you wanted from the get-go because it's easier and it's efficient. If we get Domino's at the end,

was that not a passive move that has come to gameplay? So what I'm just saying is could there be a world where, like, they allow the sacrifice of Stephen. You can say it's not good for them, but like Sage, Sage is saying I can't beat them. And if I could maybe use a Sophie to get out a Savannah, that, like, I'm just saying it could be a step.

back for a setup. So I hear you somewhat. I think your analogy, though, in there being passive, it requires that everybody else is doing things that are bad. They're bringing the nasty ass turkey to the potluck. They're bringing some expired milk to the potluck. And that's like to the end.

They call up a little Domino's pizza. And then everyone else who shows up to the party, aka the jury, might be like, I'm rocking with just the dog just to take the dominoes. But then in this instance, you look at a Savannah and a Rizzo, they're not bringing moldy mass potatoes. They're bringing some pretty good entrees. They're bringing some buffalo chicken mac and cheese from Jack's recipe book.

They're bringing some candied yams. Oh, yeah, Jack, Jack, Jack, what in the hell do you know about candy yams? I'm trying to know more, but I don't know if you're going to be it. Now, wait a minute, Jake. But you see, I mentioned those, you know, some of those dishes and you guys, you know, say you're the jury. You get a little more excited. Yeah. You're like, would I rather have a good, you know, good hearty meal with some candy, yeah, some nice moist turkey, some mac and cheese?

Or would I just rather order Domino's on Thanksgiving? You go with the former. So passive gameplay can work occasionally Whatever else is really messed at home Sweet Yams So get away Okay Uh

Uh Yeah That's gonna be playing in Wendell's playroom After you cut the hole Why is sweet Yams readily available Oh Wendell's phone Okay

But, no, I just loop it up real quick. Ah, you didn't. You've been sleep for 30 minutes. But Jack, I still checked. Have you had candy games before, Jack? I think a couple times. Cool.

Did they have pecans on them? I don't think so. Were they like black and glazed in at the top? It's been a minute. Okay. Okay. One of the Thanksgiving situation. It might have just been in, like, the lunchroom back in the day, but...

What, lunchroom? Like, I feel like in college, they had, like, a soul food station. Oh, Jack. I'm serious. They threw down in the cafeteria. What is some of your favorite soul food dishes? You're putting me in dangerous terrible. I don't know if I can answer this.

Why you can't? Jack will be like. I want to be, I'm going to sound like Chad Holgren named his favorite things. Have you seen what Chet Holmgren named his favorite Thanksgiving food? What, but you see how Jack is, you see how Jack is passively, is Jack passively, is this, is this, is this passive finesse?

Oh, what? Okay, Jack. This is the active finesse. name me name me two soul food dishes that you like I mean I like some collard greens

I don't come across him a whole lot but when I do I'll get a little a little plate okay little smokes you ever have some collard greens with a smoke turkey butt in it smoke turkey butt in it smoke turkey butt

yes I don't think I don't think I've seen that you ain't had collard greens until you had a smoke turkey butt but but okay give me something else jack i mean i just look i'll look like a good mac and cheese i wouldn't say yeah i mean you you won't see no soul food thing yeah no but okay jack how do you like your potato salad i don't eat a lot of potato salad with or without raisins no no raisins what people are doing that No, no, no. First of all, Wendell shouldn't even be talking about potato salad because Wendell comes from a store bought.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Sometimes you get the store, they got out like the deli station and it's like kind of fresh made. I buy it from the store. I don't come from a store bought nothing. Well, here's the thing. I don't like any more would be making it than store bought. I, very true.

I don't normally like any of the store bought. solids. But one of my favorite store-bought salads is like the store-bought macaroni salad. Ooh. And the Amish? Ooh! Wait, what do the Amish have to do with it? Anish potato salad.

No, no. Not the Amish potato is funny. The creamy one, Paul? Yes. Ooh. Oh! I like how we were going in on Sage and Christina and now we're here. We were like heatedly, come on. Sorry.

crazy um but okay so we were talking about passive is it's a passive gameplay a lot of times can be really good like early you don't want to always be moving and shaking every vote but when it's crunch time like this like a final six vote where all the advantages are coming to play and this is kind of setting up everyone's end game it's it's one of the last big votes this is where you have to come to play you can't just be a passenger especially because they haven't been super aggressive or active, you know, prior to this. You know, if you were, if you were going to go out of age, you wouldn't say Sage hasn't been.

I would say her most would have been the Shannon vote pre-merge, which still impressive, but like, it doesn't get as much credit with the jury when it was pre-merged. But what about a Sophie Sagetti? That wasn't really as Sage's doing. Like, Sage kind of did that as spite. Like, if I'm on the jury, I would sort of be like. so so if i punch you out of spite that's not still a punch it's not a it's not a strategic one but at this point i'm not so much didn't really spearhead the sophy though she kind of

the other group came to her and was like we think we want sophy and she's like yeah i'll do it because she did my boy joan dirty well i felt like they were giving her options and she like i felt like there was the option well and she went with the safer one but that was still a sage move Her and Jawan were swing votes. She, like, I, like, Yeah, the Nate vote was good. I might be a little. If you're on the jury right now,

are you looking at Sage as a top contender? Listen. Listen, I might be mad at Seagiana right now. I might be mad at Sage. Yeah, you said you were mad, you've done nothing but defend. Well, I'm just saying. What's your, what should she have done in your mind?

I mean, I, I'm with, If I'm with you, I do believe that they should have put votes on Riz. And if they knew that Stephen was going to play a block of vote and they knew because the other side is giving them the information, why not just buck back, right? Like, that's why I'm mad at Seigiana with the good eyebrows, right? Like, you should have because he didn't ultimately end up playing it and we could have seen the Rizzo go home. But I'm just saying, I am mad at my sis, but what I will say is that, like, I'm not going to kick her while she down. She's been moving and shaking. I feel like outside of

Stephen, she's been one of the only people from the other fraction, really moving. True. And no, but that's partly why I'm frustrated with her like you is because, you know, she was, there was a long period of time to where she was trying to get Savannah. She was trying to get Rizzo. It didn't work because other people weren't ready to make that move. But she was giving a good effort. Like for a lot of weeks, we were like, Sage's head is in the right place. And then all of a sudden, Joanne goes home. And last week, she kind of goes along with this vote.

And then this week she kind of goes along with it again. So it's like, this is your moment to make these plays. And she had shown that she was, she was hip to it. And then now she's kind of fading back. And I think this was a moment for her to make a big play and maybe win herself the game. now it just looks really difficult. From my perspective, I'm just looking at these people, voting these people out until it's them.

It's like when you all have had numerous opportunities to get rid of these power players, instead, you're voting out these other players that would have been numbers for you, and it's going to be you eventually. That's the way I'm looking at. Or it's going to be there with a bad shot to win. If you're there. But would you rather? be there with a bad shot to win or would you rather

be on the jury? I'd rather be on the jury. I'd rather play a more aggressive game that if I get to the end, I have a good shot to win, even if it lands me on the jury more often. Wow. I think that's how, and then that's how you know, that's what, like Rizzo said that. He's like,

I'm taking these big swings. If I go out, I go out, but I'm setting myself up where I could win. I respect that. Now, my question is if you know how a lot of the times like we've said this season

they're like I Savannah's safe so my next best thing to get rid of a Savannah is a Sophie or Rizzo we have to cripple her could we maybe now reflect in remember and again shout out to our

turtle neck wearing brother Jawan and when people when Sophie Saghetti was like I can't beat a Jawan and we were kind of looking back like it's really been Sage has been the driving force. Could we look

back at that move and say that wow, getting rid of Joanne kind of sort of maybe potentially has crippled Sage because since Joanne has been gone, Sage hasn't been making the Sage Eana moves that we are accustomed

to. And so could we really be witnessing what people say like, darn, I couldn't take my shot at this person, but I can cripple them. I would maybe draw the line that like getting rid of her powerhouse has really suffered the stocks of a sage. Well, clearly, yeah, clearly Joanne and Sage are at a really solid social and strategic relationship.

And it seems like they were able to like bounce ideas off each other to keep each other level. And as soon as Joanne goes home, you're right. Like she, it doesn't seem like she has a number one or anyone she really trusts where she's having like productive strategic conversations. Like don't bounce in. strategy off Christina is not going to be exactly. Hey, hey, hey, Jack. Respectfully.

Respectfully. Jack. You know, watch it. I'm just saying I'd rather be working one-on-on-one with it, John. Watch it, Jack. I mean, look, I mean, look with those two cooked-off this is.

Jack! Like, my point's proven. Do you guys disagree? Jack, Christina, Mills is a fan of the podcast, a friend to the show. And listen, Christina has made it way farther

than I have ever, so I can't speak on that. Well, it's more, she seems so lovely, and that's why it comes more of a place from frustration of like,

she's so rootable in her story, but her strategy is just kind of working against her best interest. And so it's like, you know, we got to, it's hard.

I feel like it's hard, you know, we're analyzing the game. So, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. She seems like a sweetheart. But Jack, you know what? Let's lift our good girl. Let's lift our good friend Christina up.

From this position right now, give me Christina's best possible outcome. What could she do? Get third place. I'm sorry. Like, she has, there's no path now. If she and, if she and Sage had made that move. She and Sage had made that move Especially if it had worked out against Rizzo

You take out Rizzo Then you take out like a Stephen Then you take out a Savannah at Ford And then you're at the end with Sophie B Who have you stripped of a lot of the power in the end game And then Christina and Sage have a chance But they didn't do that And so now they're with

You know now their best odds now is like Savannah maybe loses the next challenge They get Savannah out with Sophie B obviously joining them Rizzo is going to play his idol and then maybe you get Rizzo at four but then you're at the end

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What if they're sitting at the end with Rizzo? Who is that? Sage and Christina. Rizzo and Savannah are interesting cases because like I said earlier, I think there are people on the jury that they have rubbed the wrong way. But I think Rizzo has been done.

I mean, he's massively maneuvered with this. Yes. Like. Oh, no. Okay. Yes and no or yes or no or yes and no because. No, yes. I think the Xander thing.

No, I hear you. It's like, it's like. you've been flashy with your idol. Is that massively maneuvering it? Yes. I think yes. I think the jury has a tendency to want to write it off because they were scared of the idol and they didn't want to target.

So they're like, oh, we weren't even targeting him. But the thing is, I think with Rizzo, because flashing is one thing. Like just getting by with an idol isn't necessarily a game winning thing. I think turning that perceived safety into moves, is the really important thing. And Rizzo has done that. He's used his safety to help maneuver the shift.

And target other, I'm with you. Now, and I love Zander. I love Zander Hasten. That's my man. But I, and that's my man.

And I think the Zander case is a little different with Zander with that idol. I think Zander, in my opinion, like I feel like he didn't use it like how Rizzo used it, right? Like, and I felt like Xander was playing like as if it was a deficit. And that's why I respect Xander's game, right?

He didn't use it the same way that Rizzo did, but Xander took it into account. And like he was doing other things with it, not necessarily saying like, well, here it is, how y'all going to move around it? Yeah, he was a little more low-key. Right. I still think he had influence,

but I think people, like, people kind of wrote him off and being like, let's just not, he's not being as aggressive. So let's just kind of write him off because we don't want to have to worry about targeting him because he's moving pretty smoothly. But I think for a lot of the reasons Xander lost could have happened to Rizzo of like being a younger guy who not everybody is necessarily getting along with like socially like the I mean Rizzo is a little bit flashier but that same thing could hurt him.

I mean, look, there's a world where Bryce's analogy with this potluck could be the case for a sage or Christina where if the. jury really doesn't like Savannah and Rizzo because they have a little bit of ego than a sage or a Christina could. I think Sage's shot would be better. Like, Christina's really just not shown. Like, the most recent thing we saw of her strategy, really that stood out was when Savannah was like, who are you voting for?

And she like freaked out. So I'm hard pressed to think that the jury is going to look at that and be like, she was doing enough to win. Like, she's lovable as a person, but, you know. We talk about this a lot. We've had the conversation of a bitter jury, right? I don't think that we have a bitter jury here, right? But I think it is a very nuanced jewelry that we have because we have, like, I would almost call it clipped wings, right?

Like, where you can look at every one of these jewelry members and, like, their wings have been clipped prematurely. really, I would say 80% of them in the hands or in support of a Sophie and a Rizzo where it's like you have these jury members that weren't really able to get agency and so I think that that could be very favorable to a sage.

Like someone like a Jawan, someone like a Christina, someone like in like I don't know which way Alex would go because Alex has a lot of like, but I could see a someone like a Nate for all good reasons. He just got voted out because he was tall and looked strong. And so I'm just saying, like, the fact that Sage is there, it just opens, could open up an interesting conversation of these clipped winged babies that we have that could be favorable to her as opposed to, again, it's like bucking up against the, like, what do you call it when you buck up against the majority, right? You got this little guy. And so, like, there could be a, there could be.

like it's interesting we don't I hear you I think it will be interesting to see how the jury responds to like Rizzo and Savannah but the two things I would also point I think it's getting really helpful for them to have Nate as the mayor of Ponderosa because that's someone they worked with the entire premurge who if people come a little bit sour on Rizzo and Savannah I think Nate's going to be there kind of moving them in the right direction and that kind of trickles down where maybe MC pulled up a little bit pissed Nate defended them a little bit now MC's a little bit higher on Rizzo Savannah. Next person comes, they're a little pissed. You know, it kind of has a domino effect. And then the other thing I would say is like, if that outcome occurs, it's much more benefit, like, say the jury does not like Rizzo, does not like Savannah is not going to vote for them to win. To your question about Christina, then, I think the jury then gives it to Sage over

Christina. so that's why I think you know she's just and Sage I mean like I don't think that's going to happen if it works out to be like that a win's a win but at the same time

it's not like it that would be an example of like passive gameplay working out but it's one of those things where if you're analyzing as a player a future player or whatever you don't want to just be passive and hope that everybody else messes up you want to be active and try to give yourself the best

chance to win. I agree, but I just do think that sometimes you have to be passive. Like, I'm not saying, sometimes you do have to be passive. Now, cannot ask y'all question with people, I think the majority of people that we have talked in all of our 13 cities that we have been to, I think we're a little on the beginning of the season and it has like, the season for sure has heated up. Not much has changed, right? and the power dynamic or the power structure because we do have this tight what I've been saying has been saying

they're the minority, but they're really the majority. For me, a nice little bow on this season. I want Savannah to take a shot at Rizzo. I want Rizzo to take a shot at Savannah. Like, if y'all get to the end,

like I want I want y'all to bop hit me over the head take it you think that would happen at five or four I mean obviously

Rizzo as an idol I think it could happen at four where they're like game respect game one of us like whoever loses goes to five I can see Savannah winning

the next two immunities like Rizzo goes in fire and then Savannah wins like that seems like the most likely thing to me I'm interested to see how she talks to the jury if she gets to the end.

Who? True. Savannah. Because Samantha, she will eat that. I mean, I don't know. Well, she's shown a few times to be a little bit, I don't,

like, not cocky, but like a little confident. Savannah going to be like, reporting live from the final two. Hello to everybody listening. I hope you've had a happy and safe holiday. My name is Savannah, and I hope to be your winner.

Thank you so much for watching along and participating in this. We have live action. Rizzo reporting for the field. Please let us know how I helped your game, Rizzo. Like Savannah going to turn that. Are you kidding? I think, but I agree with Wendell where, you know, we've seen her challenges where she'll like talk a little ish

and people will be a little bit like put off by it. So if she comes to, not that I think what's going to happen, but there's a world where she comes to final travel, I ran circles around you guys and they're going to take that the wrong way. She's going to say that, But you're going to say it in the PC way of the circles that were being ran around. Everyone had two legs and two feet. And they happened to belong to me.

And they're going to be like, huh? But also hear me out though. Let's just also be clear. Riz God. He is flashy. He's a lot. But baby, he is in touch with his emotions. He's not scared to cry.

He is not scared to. to be vulnerable and you get we've seen riso today i watched that episode of course i cried at sophie b and like like her mom writing the letter by her grandmother savannah with her family but bay bay was i emotional i got chills reading not reading but listening to rizzo read a letter from his dad talking about remember whose son you are oh oh oh oh oh oh oh I mean, I know Rizzo Daddy is married to Rizzo mom, but in that moment, oh, like Rizzo talking about his brother. And shout out to the Liz God because she on TikTok, first of all, my new favorite couple on TikTok is the Liz guy and the Riz guy, okay? Because justice for the Liz God, because the Liz guy was filling some type of way that they read her four-page letter.

She said, I'm sending you a four-page letter and I enclosed it with. for kids and when I write you you better get it on time I'm sending him a four page letter and I enclosed it with

Jack don't Google it Jack I'm not Google I'm just doing other stuff okay well Jack you have said this artist before this artist you know is an RB artist

they are no longer here with us any guesses and please put your hands up dirty south drop the pen can y'all really feel me east coast film it jack you're obviously cheating what what do you mean i'm thinking jack we can see the reflection in the pen yeah is that a meta pen okay no it's just a just a regular pen stop reading jack i'm not I'm looking at you guys. Okay. What do you talk? I have no idea. If I was cheating, I would know, but.

Just give us a guess. The song's called four page letter. Okay. I don't know how I knew that one. Give us a husband. Is it a man or a woman? I can't, I don't even. It is a woman.

And she is no longer with us. Rest, rest in peace, baby girl. girl. Baby, girl. Is she died young, or was she older? She died young. I'm the man from the big B, A.

Come play around my way. And listen to what I got to say. I got to say, hey, I'm dirty side. No, I am. Really. I shake my hands. Is there. Is it?

No, Najjali. I'm sorry. Repeat your answer, Jack. It's not Alia, is it? Oh. I don't even know she's alive or not. But I feel like I knew that other song that I wanted to was singing on her day.

And I was like, that seems like her era. Check, just if you are unclear, passive cheating is still cheating. I wasn't cheating. I swear to God. Tell them. It's five. But listen, but Liz God and the Riz God,

they are my favorite TikTok duo. I've been having some shoulder issues lately, so I haven't been sleeping. So I've been up on the Tick-T-Tox. And I live for Liz God and Riz God. and Riz God. Anyway, she showed us some behind the scenes of Rizzo watching the episode with, first of all, like, Rizzo's dad was laying on a couch, just like a dad, like, just Rizzo was watching himself crying. We saw his brother get up and hug him, like just, oh, when I say I love the family

visits. I love the letters. And that's on Liz God's TikTok? That's on Liz God's TikTok. If you're not following the Liz God, do yourself a favor. I've seen some of it. I've got to see that video. That's a lot. Oh, my God, just get waterworks ready. Blood versus Water 3 winner, Liz God. I'm mad. But what I'm saying is, is that, yes, Riz is hype. Riz is, Riz has a lot of Riz.

But at the same time, he loves this game. Even on Riz's TikTok, he like went through the last 10 years of photos with him with like. Surrey. Surrey, poverty, some guy that won season 36, I don't remember his name. And like multiple other people. and like just him just being a little kid like he and so like he loves this and so don't sleep on like I said Savannah will get out there and she would eat it down but I also think the passion that a Riz God could potentially deliver at a final tribal I think could be earthshaking yeah yeah he's been flashy but I could see him be like taking it down to earth at final tribal I'd love to see that I would love to see that I love the wrist guy. Yeah.

And again, same with Sophie B. Like, I, I truly believe Sophie B could be compelling. Her story on.

Yeah. She still has a pad. And so, like, I'm just, I'm interested to see. But I do, like,

I do want some bloodshed. Like, I want some bloodshed. Like, if say Sedan, season one, episode one. I want a Ned Stark

head in my hand. Like, I, like, you know that, like, I just, oh. Say Savannah wins immunity next week. Do you think they, do you think they vote like a, like, Sage, out, or do you think they'd make a move on like Sophie? Hmm.

I think if she wins, mm. Because Rizzo would have his idol. We're going for a, it's Sage. I don't know. Because, I mean, again, And look at, look he here, though. If Savannah were to win and she, and obviously Rizzo is going to play his idol,

if she were to knock out of Sophie, that's another notch on her bet. Like, that's another like, we hope Rizzo's going to play his idol. Wow. But, you know, Savannah is not scared of anybody. She's going to go to the end with the three of them if she can. so you don't think you don't think the jury will respect her if like she got rid of her closest ally and under the veil of Sophie B has been through it all like you know and sometimes you got it like you don't think I don't think they'd give her more respect for that Jack if what if she gets rid of Sophie um um I yeah I feel like Sophie like Sophie Sage I don't know

Sophie like after she didn't have the best episode so I it's I think maybe just like I would lean that she would just be loyal to Sophie especially like Sophie told them about the knowledge as power like I do feel like they would reciprocate that

to some extent and get sage and then like I think Savannah would be fine to sit next to a Sophie like I think in Savannah's mind she probably beats Sophie Well, I mean, listen, we'll have to wait and see the season is boiling over. The candy yams are glazed.

They just need to come out of the oven and believe your baby boys will be here next week to report live before we land this plane. Wendy's any final thoughts? I am, I'm happy that the season has been unpredictable. at the end. I was predicting a big, big, say, a big, big, Sophie move. It didn't happen, but still somehow, some way Stephen went home.

RIP to Stephen. Like, can we just, can we glaze Stephen up a little bit? Thank you for bringing that up, Wendy's, because I think Stephen deserves his alien showers of flowers because that man played, a game that was dealt with him and he got beamed up, beamed back down, the light speed,

like that, shout out to Steve. He got done so dirty in this episode. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, they lined him up and like, yeah. He could have been the winner this season. If Sage and Christina made a smart move,

Stephen would have won this season. Stephen could have won this season. and he knows how much you're a threat oh god Jeff right he was he absolutely was a threat

Jack can you passively give us your final thoughts yeah I don't yeah I mean I had so much fun unpacking this episode

because there was so much questionable gameplay that it was fun to discuss and a lot of different like situations that could have happened a lot of situations

that can still happen but like this season's not it's not quite hitting for me anymore like this to me I was like Wendell I was predicting something big would happen and so it's been unpredictable

but it's been unpredictable in the fact that nothing really happened in the weirdest way it's been unpredictable yeah and again and I say it every week like I think a lot of this the story of the season has been that trio coming back from the brink

and taking over We kind of knew that was going to happen So it's I don't know I think the finale will be exciting I think there's a lot of people Who have a shot to win So hopefully

Yeah I don't know I was I was really Deering up for some craziness To happen this week And it kind of all didn't land So that was a little bit frustrated What if Wizzo gets on 50 And he tries all this idol play

Every single episode through 502 With the same he's gonna keep the same idol He's not going to play it, actually. He's going to bring it with them. What if he forgets to play? What if he believes his own fire? Like he's like, it could be played in Final Four. But, okay, here's my last question.

Oh, okay. Then we can land this plane. What if he never even plays it? Does that earn you a little more respect that, like, I never even had to play it? Because I feel like that is a move. Okay, all right. No, no, I hear you.

and I can sort of see rhythm taking that mind, thinking that. I think at five, though, you just play it. I think it earns more respect if he, like, can successfully play it on someone else. You know, say Savannah doesn't win, and then he saves himself or Savannah correctly. But it's like just, you know, at five,

when it's the last time I'm not playing, just play it. Imagine if he wins and he could be like, I'm finally the first person to actually go home with a million and an idol in my pocket. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the second person.

He should bury it on the beach and just grab it when he starts 50. Oh. I've been playing to win. I know I'm going to be on 50, so I'm going to just bury it. I left it. That would be interesting. What is even more interesting is that next week is the finale. Bryce and wind, coast to coast in L.A. and New York, get your tickets.

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