RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 49 Episode 13 Recap: Neapolitan

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 49 Episode 13 Recap: Neapolitan The baby boys are back with the final Survivor News of season 49 as Brice, Wendell, and Jack close out the journey alongside special guest Survivor 38’s Lauren O’Connell. They dive into a finale that kicked off with a frantic jungle scramble for an advantage and a pulse-pounding immunity race that helped shape the Final 5 dynamics. With puzzle pieces snagged, hidden advantages unearthed, and a pivotal fire-making showdown deciding who would sit at the Final Tribal Council, the crew breaks down the strategic twists that defined the endgame. The discussion turns to the historic all-female final three — a first in over a decade — and how record-tying immunity wins and tough jury questions shaped the ultimate outcome. Lauren brings fresh perspective from her own Survivor experience as the group analyzes bold moves, jury reactions, and what this season’s finale means heading into the milestone Survivor 50. Tickets are now available for Brice and Wen 50 Survivor Watch Party Tour! Grab your tickets here:https://briceandwenpresent.flite.city You can also watch along on Brice Izyah’s YouTube channel to watch us break it all down https://youtube.com/channel/UCFlglGPPamVHaNAb0tL_s7g LISTEN: Subscribe to the Purple Pants podcast feed  WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks! Previously on the Purple Pants Podcast Feed: Purple Pants Podcast Archives

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thumbs up, and let us know in the comments which you think about the season finale of Survivor 49. The baby boys are back. Wendell Jack and myself are joined by Survivor, Season 48, Lauren Alexandria, and we are getting into all of the things of this season finale. We are getting into the final immunity challenges. getting into the final four, we're talking fire making, we're talking the jewelry gets to ask questions again, and we crown the winner of Survivor 49. We talk a little Survivor 50,

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Survivor News Survivor News Dot dot dot dot This is the season and welcome back to your final Survivor News of Survivor Season 49, your Survivor Hub of all things.

Survivor adjacent, where we like to keep it real, we like to laugh, we like to spread some holiday cheers, and we are back with our semi-annual or annual podcast of the season. Let's welcome back to the podcast,

the winner of Ghost Island. And of course, we cannot forget the first merge boot of winners at war. Mr. Windezy Holland. How's it going? Good to be back. I love being reminded that you were the first

merge, too. I mean, listen, I'm not Survivor Checker on Reddit that Jack always likes to go to, but there's certain facts that needs to be remembered. And that is one of them. He might not be fresh out of

super cuts, but he does have a super cut. The Man, the Myth, the Legend from the Circle Season 2. We've got Jackary Atkins. Let's go. I wish I was the first merge boot. It's going to be here.

Always good to see you. And what has become a tradition here on Survivor News, we always do our final recap with a little holiday cheer, a little spice, someone that is near and dear to our heart from Survivor season 38. Ms. Lauren Alexandria, how are you? I am great. Happy to be here.

It is my favorite tradition. I'm not sure. I think I kind of forced it on you guys, but I don't really care. I'm happy to be here. Listen, we always host finale parties, and, you know, there's always something going on. And we always need Laura here to remind us and bring stuff out. And I feel like the last time we had a reunion finale, there was rumors alert on the TikTok about Wendell and his new girlfriend.

Oh, my God. That was so good. Lauren, last night while we were in New York, Summise. Tsunami was there. First of all, shout out to Tsunami. Kuzami Wait, is that what, Jack? What's your last name, Bryce?

Talk about sumai's. Sumaise? I think that's like a tie dish. Wait, what's our last name? Smeh. Oh, smay. Su maize. Mother smite.

That was in rolling the rigs. What is a little flare on it? Tsunami was in the building. We were taking a photo. And I was like, I just turned to the corner of my eye and it was like Sue and Wendell and I was like Sue, you guys

are back together. Lauren Sue jumped into Wendell's arms. And they captured these photos of Sue kissing Wendell and her literally jumping into our arms.

I don't have them. I was trying to pull them up but trust me when I get them back you already know they're the first thing I'm posted. post those immediately. Classic Wendell, man. That didn't happen, Wendell? You forced her onto me, Bryce. No, I turned to, I said, Sue, I didn't know y'all was back together. Sue said, Ra, I said, oh!

Yes, she got me good. That's my lady. You would be so lucky. You'd be so lucky. No. Christmas is around the corner. if you were wondering what to give for Christmas what to give for Christmas. What's the end of this?

Oh, I assume that was pretty clear what we were giving for Christmas. Wondering, what's it for Christmas. There is, you know. Okay, we have nice bracelets on today. Look at that.

He's going to ride that Beast Games cloud. Okay. We got to talk about that too. But listen, we were in New York last night. Jack was in L.A. Shout out to everyone that attended the Bryce and Win, 49 finale parties in L.A. York. New York was the time. We had Trashy Annie performing. She toured down the house. There were so many

amazing people and things. And my heart is just over full with love. And so Jack Wendell, tell me about your nights. What y'all think? I had a great night. You know, my lady, my lady back in the building with me. The wonderful tsunami is great to be in the place with her. we're at a new venue this place called the cutting room suggested to us by Trashiani she was performed there before it's like a performance venue

lots of seating so it's different than what we're used to like a packed out bar but it's a Bryce and Wend so it became a packed out bar with also lots of seating and it was a real great celebration it was one of those times when you just like

kind of look back on how far you've come we put a lot into the Bryce and Wend stuff and it's pretty awesome to think towards 50 think about the hard work we put into 49 and just think about growth and all of that and see how many people continue to come out and especially in like New York City where we've done like a lot of events to see the growth there and also see the people continuing to come back like these they're like our friends now we have this one guy, Declan, who he always, you know, one of our favorites.

I call him like the mayor of the BWP because in New York City, he started out as this like kind of shy guy. His dad would drop him off or send his sister with him or whatever. And now Declan comes by himself. He'll come to the pregame. He's talking to everybody, running around, talking to the ladies, bringing, you know, he's just the coolest guy ever. So love Declan.

And there are so many people like Declan. just like really nice, the community that really became family. So good times in New York City and looking forward to the next season. Yeah. How was L.A. Jack? Yeah, L.A. was fun. I mean, we missed having you guys out here holding it down, but we had Tiff and Ozzy running the show.

And it was a little calmer than the typical L.A. You know, a lot of the cast and people at the production finale party. but we had our squad, a lot of good reality TV alumni showed up and showed out, including some old school survivors. So that was pretty cool. But yeah, I was with some friends too. We found our little table and we watched the finale. And you could hear the audio that was nice.

You didn't have to go stand under her speaker. So it was definitely a good time. And we were over at St. Felix and they always hold it down too. And then after I went and linked up with a few of the cast members for a couple of drinks. So that was a good time. and got a little bit of inside scoop, too. Oh, yeah, we love to see it. And as we've concluded, concorded, I like it.

Okay, as we concorded, Bryce and Win 49, in churches, sometimes specifically black churches, we do a thing that's called like a praise report, right? I just want to give a praise report. To my best, you Wendyzie, we are undefeated this tour. even though he tried me on the ride home, but I rose above it. No, you did. We are not getting into a fight on the tour is over,

so technically it doesn't even count, but we were undefeated this season. Wow. And yeah. Amen. Undefeated in what? Did I miss something? Not fighting with each other.

Because normally we likes to fight. Yeah. for Lauren. You know, a shout out to a praise report. Wendy Zee, do you have a rebuttal? I have two things, actually. I'm going to start with what you just said. We didn't exactly fight on the ride home

because we didn't talk because as soon as we got into it, Bryce put his headphones in. He drove from New York to Philadelphia for the second time now without saying a word to each other. Sounds like he rose above it. Protecting it. thank you but the second i get out the car get in my car why is my phone ringing lauren

who called you you absolutely not by way of me calling you because it was a butt dial but dialed him back and it's like where do you want i've but dialed some exes like that after a fight too ain't on us ain't on us right My second thing is, just one more shout out. There was another person in the building, our good friend Parker, who can't, like, we get, like, people give us these gifts on the road. Like, we get these cool little special sentimental things. Parker was like, hey, he came to the Bryce one karaoke the night before.

He said, hey, I got a little something for you guys. And then in the finale party, he brings, he's trying to get us both together. It doesn't happen because Bryce is running around the venue doing crazy. crazy things. To me to the front, and he gives me this thing. I open it up. It's a hockey jersey, a custom hockey jersey with a big ghost island logo in the middle. And on the back, it says Wendell and has the number one.

So I'm like, geez, this is like one of the most thoughtful. And like, it's something he had to have paid, obviously. And he put the number, Bryce, you want to tell him why he put the number one on my back and what he did for you? He was telling me that it was cheaper to get the number one made than any other number. So Wendell has one and I have zero zero. So I'm ahead of Wendy's. But no, mine's was Cagion and mine's had 16 on it.

But it's all good. Three would have been good too. I thought three would have been good too. But no, shout out to Parker. because every time he comes first of all he doesn't just come to one Bryce and win we've seen him in Chicago we've seen him in Dallas we've seen him in

Houston he pops out he has an online game that he does and there's this one friend that maybe four years ago when we were in New York I forget his name is slipping me but he literally had moved from London to New York and the day of the party was his first day

that he moved and he was like I was such a huge survivor fan so he bought a ticket and he's come and now he's never missed a bryson win in new york and every time he comes he has more and more friends that he has met at bryson win and parker is one of his best friends and so again i just love the community that we're just allowed to be a part of it's just so special and so fun um and it's super sad that season 49 has come to an end but it is super exciting because season 50 is on its way and Bryce and Wynn 50 is not coming soon.

It's available. You can go to the link in the Bryce and Wynn Instagram bio, and we do have some select dates available. And so, yeah, we'll see you in February. But until then, I will be on Do Not Disturb, and I'll be in hibernation. So, what locations are you guys offering so far? Wendy Zee.

Well, we have the premiere available. And by the end of the week, I think we should have about two more dates available one being we're going to go down to Ron Clark and Ron Clark said we can throw the welcome karaoke party the night before so

the Tuesday of Ron Clark we're going to have a banger in Atlanta so Ron Clark was in the building in L.A. last time. Yeah. And is the premiere, is that going to be New York or L.A.

Well, the one that's available right now is in New York. But, you know, we've been thinking expansion, so there might be more than one or more than two or more than three. You never know how many premieres we might bring to you. And Puerto Rico has been calling our name for quite some time now. So Bryson Wynn and Puerto Rico, Montreal, OKC, even though Wendell already thought we went to OKC this season, but OKC is calling the big three. Puerto Rico, Montreal, and O KC. Okay. I'm not getting a Mr. Beast appearance.

Well, listen. The Carolinas are calling. Florida's calling. Texas is always calling. The Midwest is calling. We got a lot of a lot of things. Sue is calling. When Sue's calling, Jack's mom had texted me a couple of times

and said she knows some places in Connecticut. My mom would be like, if you guys want to have one at my house, like, come by. We got plenty of room. Lauren's lake house, you know, the people on the lake have been asking. You guys would are always welcome A and B, there is this one boat there, been there forever. So if anyone is listening to this and they know who owns this boat, it's the coolest thing ever. They decorate it. And every 4th of July, we do like a boat parade where everyone decorates their boat.

usually American themed However, this boat decorated itself survivor themed And it's kind of a cool Like teaky looking boat thing Decked out in Survivor gear So there are Survivor fans on Bass Lake And I think that we can make it a thing

You just let me know Laura how can I be a part of your family Okay, because the most we ever got And my neighborhood was A Christmas Parade Where like some guys I will walk around a block and give out candy cans. I never hear of a boat parade.

It's really fun. I came sprinting down the dock when I saw that it was Survivor theme, and I was like, I was like, hi, and then I realized, do I say I was on it? Like, no, you know what I mean? Like, what do you do? So I was just like, huge fan, huge fan. So, yeah, but you know you've been a part of our family since my season is. We met you.

My family loves you. Maybe we do a Bryson went at sea. Oh. You know, Jack, it's interesting that you say that. I would love to do something like that. But also, we've seen some, like, reality cruises. I don't know. Some have I heard went well.

I heard not went too well. You guys would be better hosts probably than the average. No comment. But we have been in talks with my lady Sue, who happens to be on beast games. And there are a few survivors on beach games. games and there are rumblings that there might be a bryson when these games collabo coming soon. Taking a page out of Jess Propp's book.

Did you say Jess Proops? Jeff's book. Jeff's Proops. I got no comment. My company cast these games, though. I didn't work. Yeah. That's right.

Mystic? Yes, sir. Casme? Yeah, what the heck? I'm on the age. I don't want to give way my age too much, but I remember back in the day a cold little mystic. You remember the Mystic juice, Wendy Z? I remember the Mystic juice, but the two that are with us do not, Bryce.

So, can we? I think I remember that. Really? It's like the soda, right? No, it's like the blast bottle. They don't know. And listen, before we even start the podcast, and yeah, I'm going to put Jack and Lauren on blast

because I asked them if they knew what the brand baby fat was. Because when Wendell was in high school, the baby fat coats used to have them on a choke hole. And Jack and Laura never even heard of baby fat. Well, that was also, when Wendell was in high school, we were in war with Vietnam. sorry I don't remember Jack you've been on

this is the funniest you've ever been on this podcast keep it coming honestly came in this podcast like I was like this episode was not that great the 50 teaser was not that great I was like I'm like I got to do something I pick my eyes with yet oh my God that was funny the 50 teaser was good but there was a couple of people

I was like, who is that? That was your baby. Wait, hold on. I've seen baby fat. It's got the little cat. Yes. It's like, it happens to tail. You know what I mean?

Like, whatever. Let me just tell you to lower baby fat real quick. Okay. Everyone's listening when we get to the episode. There was a iconic baby. The listeners are saying, you know what? Let's just keep going down this road. I'm just saying there was an iconic baby fat bubble coat that had a hood and the hood had fur.

And I'm trying to tell you, when Winda was in high school, that coat concealed many teen pregnancies. Okay. No, I'm just saying because I know at least three people that were pregnant that we didn't know they was pregnant. It all went along. They wore the baby fat coat. I'm just saying it's an iconic coat. How long can you wear that? Oh, what do you mean?

It was just in style, so people wore it. It was, it was, it was something special. Let's see. And as a history lesson. Uh-huh. It will come up too. Is it a, it's a women's brand? I just looked it up.

It's a women's brand, the male brand. I can tell you these brands right now. So, we've seen your makeup, Jay. I know. So Russell Simmons had a brand called Fat Farm. P.H.A. Farm. And then his wife at the time, Camora, started baby fat for the women

I think I don't know my time. Did you ever hear the shoe line Lauren called pastries? No. Me neither. No. So that was Red Run's daughter, Angela and

Vanessa, they had a shoe line called Pastries. And I'm like, oh my God! Guys, I wore uniforms from kindergarten. garden to eighth grade. So I like didn't even, I wasn't even wearing normal clothes until 2011. I was wearing my Bermuda khakis, my red polo, and a big belt. And every year I got to pick a new style of shoes. So it was vans or converse, baby. That's what I had. Okay. Oh, I ever hear the shoe brand ice creams? You're just naming different like, no.

Cheesecakes, ice cream, brownies. Okay. He said a little something before the pod. S-Dots, have you heard of S-Dots, Sean Carter's? No, but keep going. Maybe one of these will know. And I bet you, Wendy's, I bet you had a pair of Sean Carter. I just know you did.

I had some S-Dot-Carders. I had some ice creams. Those are Ferelles, like BBC. Yeah, yes. Yeah, anyway. All right. Cool Survivor episode. behind yesterday.

Speaking of dessert, Trisletches. Hey. A good segue. Mm. Okay. I just, because I,

there's a lot of Mexican places around me and so sometimes I'll just order it, but as soon as it comes, I just drink the, like, out the bottom and,

oh, that's... You don't need to share everything, Bryce. Oh. That's disgusting. That is... Diconic. What? Also, why were they delivering it to you, like, soup?

It's not soup, but, you know, it comes in a plastic container, so it's like the juice of it sometimes will just seep out the bottom and it's like, oh, let's see me better. Baby, I know choice lectures. From my 8th grade graduation, I asked for a chair's like cake. I love dress like it should not have, like, it shouldn't be soaking wet at the bottom. And you drank it like cereal? Oh, you were probably the person that really liked the cereal bowls that had the attached straw, huh? That you would. Yes, the trick's one that would trade color in the milk.

What you know about that? Okay. Have you ever had sticky mango rice? Actually, funny you say that last weekend for the first time. So when I, on Ponderosa, with me and my people, when we got voted out, we went to Thailand. And so we were, we used to eat Thai food and we had sticky mango rice every night, me and Alexis. And I introduced it to Window the other day and he enjoyed it. it was good

Jack what's what's what's what's what's what's what's a popular dessert that you enjoy so I already know I don't even know I don't eat a ton of desserts to be honest dude okay so the other day I had Trader Joe's I did grab I grab some of these Leb Coochin cookies Belgian cookies why are they above your

computer. I have a little shelf up that I keep my snack. I don't eat a lot of desserts. Should we talk about Survivor? Okay, sorry, Jack. Sorry. It's our last episode, so it's not like

it's like it's why I love coming on this episode. It's a holiday work party, Jack. We should do that. It's a holiday work party. Everybody has to come on and oh yeah that's good all right holiday plants

okay well jack well let's dive into the episode yeah no i didn't yeah obviously plenty of time for us to meander about the conversation but you know how they get in the comments price we don't want to well that is true the worst flavor ice cream ever made and i don't care what you'll say is napoleon whoa

is that that's when it's like chocolate vanilla no this is a clarifying question is napoleon one ice cream or have they mixed three different ice cream flavors together it's like red green pink and chocolate what it's when you get the tug and it's like a stripe of chocolate a stripe of vanilla a stripe of strawberry right so it's never anyone to hate on it's like you'll be happy you just pick your part but they all taste the same Jack showed up to Daniel upstairs

What? Is it in a tub? Why? Yeah, you want to see it? Not really, but like why do you have a specific flavor you like better or do you like to mix them? I don't eat Napoleon,

but when I bring my son to the supermarket and he needs his ice cream and that's what he pointed at, I'm going to get it. Well, we really... His ice cream is crazy. I feel like at his age, we should

we need to usher them into making good, smart choices and when he grows up and he has to tell people his favorite ice cream is Napoleon. He's going to get bullied. Can you imagine third grade? What's your favorite?

I'd say, well, I personally love Napoleon. Get out of it. When he values so much of the ice cream. You are setting him up to fail. Like, at least like a pigment chip. Like, my God, you be an adult.

My dad, he gets the, my dad said my uncle Bryce really would appreciate if we got the rainbow ice cream. Like, oh, Rainbow Sherbert? And he's like, no. Like, Napoleon.

And the Stewart's like, my God. Okay, you want to know another funny random Wendell and his son's story. Always. When Wendell first got pregnant, I was saying like

I'm going to be Gungle Brights I'm going to be Gungle Brights and so I was going with that for a couple of months and then like it got to a point where we'd be at some of Wendell's family's events and like his aunt was like I don't get it

what is gunkle and so they have to explain that a couple of times I was like okay we'll just go with Uncle Bryce but I don't know how in the last six to nine months. Yo, I guess what my name is? Not still calling. Oh, my God.

Is it? I told y'all. Put on speakerphone. Hey, baby. Put on speakerphone. This is going to, it'll be insane. Oh, okay. Sorry, Sue, I'm on the podcast right now.

Oh, shit. Okay, bye. I'll talk to you. Oh, my God. What's going to be insane? This is going to be insane. I have this to raise the idea. Well, it just got hot in here.

Yeah, I like how you're acting like that doesn't always happen. Right. Very out of the ordinary. Well, anywho, back to Winnie. So my nickname, well, not my nickname, my name. Whenny calls Bryce, Aunt Bryce. Damn. You know what?

Sure. I mean, I can't wait for him to tell somebody. My aunt Bryce is coming. Yes. He does it already. That's amazing. That's amazing. Price, yeah. It's because he's eye level with Christina on your shirt.

That's Bryce. All right, well, let's get to the episode. We don't want to get Jack cussed out too much in the comment. No, you're good. I mean, that lasts a little bit of having to die, so, you know, it's good. I guess to start, you know, there's a lot to, there's sort of a lot to get into, but let's just hear all of your overarching thoughts on this episode. Like, was it a good finale?

It was not? Like, what was your favorite? What was the highlight for you? Rice? Okay. Well, listen, I'll just go in hot. I've been a Sophie B fan this whole season. And I was somewhat like a little disappointed

last week when she, I felt like she kind of fumbled the knowledge of power. And then her winning that immunity. at the end, I'm like, this is a resume builder. Like, I was like, oh, my God, this really could be it. And so I, just my one hot take is, I think she should have done the Chris Underwood way. And I really think she should have put herself in fire. And yes, she could have got out, but I also feel like if she would have put herself in fire and one fire, I really feel like that could have been a million dollar game.

and against Savannah against Savannah like just go bigger go home I Bryce I'm going to tell you I think that that would have been her after kind of a lot of people think she dropped the ball

and not like stealing the Rizzo idol making big moves whatever last episode I think if she would have done that and sent Savannah home but again it's go it really is go bigger go home because you lose that

and you're going home forth but if you win that you're taking the clear biggest threat out of the game and you're now sitting at the end next to a Rizzo and a sage. Do you think, I always wonder this because we're watching the show and we feel as though Savannah is the clear winner, right? Do we think that they thought in that moment that Savannah was the clear winner?

Because Rizzo and so we are acting as if like, of course all three of us are going to sit together. Of course we're going to go to the end. So in some capacity, Rizzo believed that. he was going to beat Sophie and Savannah in some capacity. Sophie had to have at least thought that she could beat Savannah and Rizzo. So do you think that she thought, of course, Savannah is the biggest threat? Or do you think she only thought that at the end when it was, you know what I mean?

Yeah. It's a great point because we've heard, I think James Jones said it, like, island threat level is different than, like, when you're on the island, you see certain threats for whatever reason. but we as viewers watch and we see different information than people know on the island just as they have different information than we have. My season was a perfect example, yeah.

Right. So when you have those three, I mean, Rizzo was playing a flashy game. Some people look at that like, oh, he's making big moves. Some people look at that as he's just doing flashy things and not really making many moves, you know?

On the ground, to us, it looks like Savannah is running stuff that could be a winner's edit or it could be you know or it could be how it's really happening and so we've seen her moving and shaking and maneuvering to get that far and it's like that that's a great question because it seemed like Rizzo he his whole season he's like I want to be a legend I'm doing this I'm doing this I'm ready it's my time but as a viewer I'm almost like I don't I don't I don't know. Savannah is looking so tough out.

She's got the immunity wins. She wins when she needs to. She strong arms people. But also, you're starving on an island for 26 days. You could be a little delusional. You're finally at the end. And in your head, you could say, you know what, no matter who I'm sitting next to,

I'm going to plead my case and whatever I'm, you know. Totally, totally. I just think it's like, I mean, I personally love the fact she put both of them. Right. Of the Inspire. That was fantastic. That's my highlight of the whole episode. But it's just so interesting to me because we're seeing,

clearly we're seeing an edited show. And so it's like they show this. I thought it was really interesting when they show Savannah's interaction with Rizzo and the conversation around either voting Christina or Sage. And how to me it felt like she manipulated him in a way of like, how could you even think about keeping her here? why would you ever vote out sage that makes no sense and to me it gave her fantastic edit made it feel like oh yeah she is running this three something like she's very much in charge right and then

but i think that if she doesn't win if she is not the winner i don't know that we necessarily see that conversation edited in that way i'm not saying that that's not exactly what happened and i'm not saying that's not exactly what she did the entire game but who wins dictate the pieces of the show that we see because they're telling a story. They're showing us either why someone won or why someone lost. And so I'm just so interested in what Sophie was thinking, especially when it was the final six or whatever and final five of like, did she think she was going to sit next to Savannah and beat Savannah?

And she got both. Yeah, she definitely got both. I definitely think she probably thought Rizzo and Savannah are, and her book were equally the same, right? Where I just feel like, because they've been that strong duo, she's kind of like the last member that joined. And so I'm just thinking from her perspective of like kind of always playing catch up,

I think she might have just put them in that same boat. And so regardless, if she would have picked, put herself in the fire with Rizzo or Savannah, I think either or I just think would have given her such a boost. Is she a good firemaker? Did we know that? Do not even get me started on the conference. that were had about this fire making thing what do you mean you have never made fire I can't

with it I can't they're like how I can't believe it it's day 25 first of all first of all it's day 25 okay Kelly wasn't even gone yet on my season I digress point being haven't even I haven't made fire this entire time I can't believe she would put me up to make fire everyone what do you mean what do you mean like I'm not saying you have to you have to you have to you do it before you go out there, I didn't, but I sure as heck learned how to do it when I was out there on the island. It's day 25.

Right. I mean, listen, on Kagiangay on, day 25, I was still out there, so I feel what you say a Lori. What one thing? I thought you were in Thailand and he practically was. The one thing that I loved

what Sophie did that I don't think we see much at the end is normally people take court. Normally they're like, okay, Lauren, talk to me. When they'll talk to me. I like the fact that Sophie was like, yeah, nah, I'm going to take some time. I love that. I think that because people can sway you.

And like you said, this is 25 days you haven't eaten. Like, Jack. And we saw Savannah sway or at least try to ship away at Rizzo. So I think that that, me personally, I was like, now that is smart because I don't want to hear would you stop like let me come to my own conclusion what did y'all think about that was that a good decision or i think i think that was interesting and cool to see i think it was a good decision decision on her part because

savannah like savanna could probably sway her but also and i'm a big sovi fan this is the one it's like the one you win which is all the way at the end now you're showing it's just like come on like the one time you win but granted it is at the end

it's like now is the time to like make a move or whatever but after riding with these people this whole time you're not even going to have the conversation with them but maybe it's a part of if you do have these conversations right say it's Lauren and Jack

and then I ultimately choose Lauren to go in the end with me and Jack, you have to make fire. And we see Sophie at the end saying, like, I hope this has nothing to do with our personal relationship outside the game. So maybe if she would have held court and I side with Lauren,

then she's worried that, like, Rizzo will feel as though it had a tighter bond. So to take that, to alleviate that, like, I don't want to talk to any of y'all and I'm going to make my own decision. Well, I also think it's, I agree, and you're also opening yourself up to just being convinced by someone

who might be more convincing, which also probably correlates them being a better player and maybe having a better chance to win, right? Like if Savannah successfully convinces her to take her with, I don't know, I think it's a smart enough player. She can just sit and think about herself and come to her own conclusion, right? As if you hear everybody out and hearing all these different arguments,

it's like, well, then someone's now convinced you instead of you just making your own decision. Or they can at least frame it like that, you know what I mean? I thought that, I thought that Savannah's confessional. Again, I'm talking about kind of the editing of it, but I just think Savannah's episode or this episode was so interesting to me and what they showed of her was so interesting because all of a sudden she's like,

I can't believe I've been rioting with you this whole time and you're not even going to have this conversation with me. Like, you're my best friend. How dare. It was such an interesting juxtaposition to earlier in the episode when she's like kind of giving off this cutthroat, how dare you not do what I tell you to do? Like, what do you mean?

We don't even want Christina on the island. How dare you? That's who we're voting. It was so interesting the flip when she didn't get her way. And not that that's bad. Like I just have so much, I don't want to say grace, but so much awareness of like we are being shown such a small, small, small piece. But it was such an interesting choice in my opinion of the editors to show that

of whatever it is and however long she talked that day. And I'm sure she said a lot of things. So to pick that and be like, that was my best. friend how dare she not have comfort oh this is the real sophy it was very interesting to me of like okay so she can't talk her way out of this she's like she's upset she doesn't like not having the opportunity to really bend these people that i think she thought were very i don't want to say gullible but from what i saw she was very easily controlling the narrative of that threesome and all of a sudden

she her power is taken from her and she was not happy about it. Yeah it was weird like I agreed I was like what she was mad at Sophie it's like this is how Survivor works like what you as a game player it's like you would be doing the same thing like I don't

totally and then her to be like I can't believe it like the whole reason that we didn't have Christina in the final four was because we didn't want to go up against Christina I'm like girl babe you didn't want to go up against Christina. You and you convinced them to do that. So now you're upset that, oh, wait, hold on, I don't have control of this threesome as much as I thought I did. And I think it was just so

interesting the change up between the two tribal houses, in my opinion. The other two factors about this, because I think a lot of the final five decision was all factoring in, like what could happen at final four some extent, like fire and potential resumes. is my two things are like one is there a world where Sophie would want to sit with both Rizzo and Savannah so that maybe they're like sharing votes in some capacity and then two I also think like you look back well I guess let's start with that like do you think there's a world where and we kind of saw on 48 where Kyle goes against Joe and Eva and they're sort of pleading the same case um is there a world here where Sophie might have a better chance

against Rizzo and Savannah, even though I think obviously their case is probably a little stronger than Sage, but maybe it's like Rizzo and Savannah have a similar story. They have similar people on the jury. Maybe they each get two votes and Sophie gets three and wins like three to two to two. Is that like What was the final vote count?

Five to one. Yeah. Yeah, that is interesting because it's like you almost having them, not that they have the same story, but they've been together this whole time. And so you look like the different one where it's like your story to get here is a lot different and you've had to join

them to almost help them. So that actually is a really good thought process, Jack. I don't think I ever would have thought of that. I think in my mind it's like I want to sit next to one of them, but you're right. Like if I'm sitting next to both of y'all, which y'all have similar art, the jury might favor me in my storytelling process of how I got there. That's very interested. Yeah, because I think, I mean, I don't even know if that's the right move, but I feel like, Like, if Rizzo and Savannah combined are seen as a better, like, a stronger force in this game than Sophie. Like, say, if I'm Sophie, and I have that perception that maybe Rizzo and Savannah are seen as both being, like, more in control of things than I. I'm more likely to receive jury votes.

If one of them goes, the other one's still going to be seen as that, then you have the other one on the jury advocating for that. then and it's still like if they're already above me then they're still going to get they're going to get more votes because then you know if you take sage somewhat out of it then it's sort of like a head up head up like head to head whereas maybe if you're like they're both seen as a little bit like a notch above me but if they're both there maybe they split those maybe they're going to win like five to three

but maybe they split those votes and all of a sudden I can get like three votes win I don't know I'd like to back it up really quick because let's go back to the the final final five vote, I think, yeah, when they're deciding between Christina and Sage, if Sophie did not, I think this is where my confusion kind of comes in. If Sophie didn't want to sit by Rizzo and Savannah at the end, she was like, I don't, I don't want to sit by both of you. Yeah. Why was there not more conversation around trying to flush Rizzo's idol? The, and yeah. no i'm talking about final five i don't know why that does that um and get christina and sage

to vote with her to vote rizzo out tell rizzo that they're going to vote for her her have so you know what i mean like have have some conversation with savannah i just feel like there was so much complacency of like this is what's going to happen us three are all together and then they get to the final four and it feels like this scramble of like oh wait hold on I don't want to sit by both of you. It's like this A was a problem we could have solved a couple of tribals ago, but whatever. But especially at the five. It's like if you feel like Christina and Sage are both people that you can beat and then

you have two other people that you feel like iffy, why was there not? And maybe there was. And maybe we just didn't see it. But I don't feel like there was. It's like if that was like that would have been put in. Didn't Savannah win immunity at five? then Rizzo had his idol? Yeah, but Rizzo doesn't have to play his idol for himself.

And honestly, like, I'm not saying that he's going to, he's not going to play it for himself. Listen, we are not going to judge people on how they play their idols near the final six, five, whatever. However, the way that Rizzo played it was so, like, I want to make a big move. I feel like there could have been some conversation around like, oh, they're going to vote for Sophie. Let me play it for Sophie and save Sophie. and then we'll vote out here

like there just was no conversation or thought around that at all that we saw and then we get to the final four and it's like wait I don't want to survive both of you it's like yeah I think that I agree with like the gist of what you're saying I do think I think there's some sort of masterful move in there where so he can convince Rizzo to like

oh if you want to save Christina a player I don't Christina blindside crazy but I do think if that's because I agree with the sentiment where Sophie's ideal final three probably would have been to sit with Sage and Christina and that just goes back to the final six of like you could take Rizzo's idol she's still could vote out Steven if she wanted to and then you can vote Rizzo at five and then you could take out Savannah at four and that I think that's where the really the move should have been made on six absolutely yeah I guess I was just talking like a hundred percent agree with you I'm trying

to give her grace because I quite literally hate the knowledge is power advantage hate I think it is so stupid and I never talk badly about Survivor. Like I really don't. I hate that advantage with every fiber of my being. And I, it's like, whatever. You played it wrong. Okay, fine. But did she play it wrong? I don't know. Like this episode, just speaking on this episode, it's like we have this final five of two people that you probably think you could be. And there's no conversation of how we can possibly get them both to the, I get that Savannah One immunity. I get that Rizzo had the idol. I'm not saying it would have been easy.

It's just interesting to me that there was no conversation that we saw and then we get to the final four and it's like, hold on, wait a minute. I don't know what's here now. Do you think the jury? I was sure.

Do you think the jury or when you make it that far, do you think you also want to project a loyal game, right? Like something you can add to your resume is that like I was with these people like I didn't waver. Like, I stood with them.

Do you feel like... And why would them go from fire? Well, because then, because I feel like that's the most even thing to do, though. I don't have to make this decision. You put it up to the Survivor guys. You still value, like, most jurors these days, it's not like, well, he was really loyal. Like, you know, that's not the credit. But it's something. It's something.

You don't need to put you your advanced in Excel on your resume, but like, it's a little accoutrema that you can add to your resume. But it's like there is a point where you have to make. the move. Well, I mean, I know. But I do think, here's the thing. I have five, though, because I agree. But I think at five, it's like, again, maybe something really masterful goes down. But Rizzo is, like, most likely just going to play his idol for himself.

So it's sort of like why rock the boat too much. But he's going to play at six. Well, at six, 100%. But at five, it's like, there was this debate between Sage and Castina. But even that, like, as a viewer, and it wasn't that interesting because it's sort of like, totally what do we maybe want to go like who do we maybe want to be third place and like who can maybe win in fire and so rizzo i don't think because there is a world where rizzo makes a big move like wants to save christina but i feel like the difference between christina and sage so minute at that point where it's like rizzo's not going to do that i don't think that rizzo's not i don't think that rizzo i guess what i'm trying to say is from sophie's perspective the goal would have been to get out rizzo at five but like he's almost always going to play his idol for himself i think that's to me is like would think so, but they don't always do that. And I'm not like five.

But Jack, no. And let's think about who Rizzo is. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like Rizzo is the stereotypical person that is going to get up there and he's going to say, you thought I was going to play my idol for myself. Guess what? I'm not.

I'm going to play it for Christina for some odd reason because someone has told me that maybe this is going to be a big move and it's going to go down in history is like the biggest thing since Wentworth does not count. Like that he is the person that I see most easily convinced to do something. absolutely crazy with his idol and i'm not saying he would have and i'm not saying it would have even been dumb like i i get it i'm just saying it's definitely a a thought for so there was no conversation about it i just say yeah i just think once she doesn't do the move at six though it gets so much harder the other thing i'll say is that sophie maybe think she has a better

shot against rizzo and so if rizzo beats savanna at four maybe sophie wins and so that's like maybe she wants to say with rizzo and sage so it's like but then but I have seen that she wanted to, like, there's no way that she thought that sitting against Rizzo was better than sitting against Christina from what I thought, right? Sitting against Rizzo, it's like in Savannah or Christina? I'm saying between Rizzo and Christina. Yeah. I'm assuming that she probably wanted to sit by Christina. Sure.

More so than she would have wanted to sit by Rizzo. Maybe, I don't know. But maybe, I agree, like, ideal, that would be ideal, but I think the idol is tough. And I think maybe in her mind, it's like, I think you're giving way too much credit to people that have. have a hidden immunity idol, honestly. Well, I mean, have we ever seen someone at Final Five? It's very rare at Final Five that someone who has an idol gets voted out with their idol because they have no choice but to play it.

And sometimes they'll play it for other people, but that's almost always worked, barring like Eric giving his immunity up in my credit. That's what I said, like, I gave my idol up at six. I had a, I could have gone to the Final Four. And I gave my idol up at six because I was like, big move. I'm going to get out Victoria. I know, but like, I just, I think you're so over a meeting.

Five, it's the last time you can play it, and then you go to fire. You don't even have to vote again. It's like, if you play it at five, you can almost guarantee your spot in three. So to me, with all due respect and I love you so deeply, you've never played and you've never gotten to, you have it. And so you've never gone to Final Five. And I say it with love. But if you're at five.

And you are overestimating people's capability to think. Why has that never, ever happened? it had never happened that someone gave up their immunity necklace until Eric did it. Like, I'm not saying that it was a given. I'm just saying that it is a possibility. And Rizzo is the key person that you could have seen doing it. I agree that it was worth giving, like, attention to. And it, like, there is a world where Sophie could pull that move off.

But I think there's also a world where Sophie tries to facilitate that. And then Sage goes to Rizzo and said, Sophie should try to blindside you and they vote out Sophie. My point was never that it was going to work. My point was that it was confusing to me that it was never, ever a conversation that we saw and had it been a conversation, I feel like we would have seen it

because it would have added a little bit of drama to the tribal council. And they love to do that regardless of how logical it is. And then all of a sudden we get to the final four and it's like, oh, wait, I don't necessarily want to sit by. But I can understand. So from Sophie's perspective, once you don't make a move at six, though,

I can see why at five you're going to be like, okay, Rizzo's probably going to play his idol 95% of the time. And so if I broach, if I have this conversation, that could put me at risk of getting voted out myself. And so I could understand why she would not have that conversation. Now, maybe she should have and should have tried, because obviously it could have helped boost her to a win. But I'm saying I also see a world where maybe she's not that worried about Rizzo

and she's more worried about Savannah. And so at four, if Rizzo beats Savannah, she might still win. So I agree at six, she should have made a move, but once you get to five, like to make a move against someone who it's their last chance to play the idol, it's like they would have to do something insane. And I agree, Rizzo's the type that he might.

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someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1866-5-3-1-2-600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. If Savannah didn't win, do we think there's any world? She didn't win that final immunity, not a five. Five. Is there, do any world where we see Sophie B, Sage, Christina, Yes. Yes. And I think that's kind of where I'm coming from. She made this comment early on where she was like,

oh, man, this really ruined my chances of getting Savannah out. It's like, I don't think she wanted to sit by either of them in the finals. I don't think that was her key final three. Maybe Rizzo. And she just fell into this threesome that was easy. And this is, okay. So in that same vein, Lauren, is there a world where you get stuck in this position of

well damn it now I kind of and I talk about this all the time where it's like we don't give enough credit to the third or second place winner we only care about the first place winner right and what I always say I feel like around this time is that like so what if you hit a wall

due to the choices that you have made and now it's like is there a world where it's like I need to get myself to the end as well right like I can't just focus on just winning I also need to ensure that I can get there. So is there a way where, like, Sophie is like,

F-it, I have to ride with them because in order for me to shoot my last shot, I have to be on the court. I love that you said that because I 100% agree with you. Like, you can't, I think people get so ahead of themselves of like, oh my gosh,

I can't beat this person in the end. I have to vote them out. It's like, baby, you've got to be sitting in the final three to even have a chance. You're so right. You are so, so, so. right. My only

I think like devil's advocate here, I feel like... I played that, so you know, don't go too hard on me. I didn't mean that in a hateful way. I just really think that there is like no, and as someone who absolutely objectively misplayed

an idol that would have gotten them to the final four, regardless of why I did it, it's like I get that there are things that happen that you're like in the moment it felt right. But anyway, I digress. The point being I feel like this new era doesn't think like that. I feel like they think they need to make big moves

and they have to go all out when they can. So for Sophie to think, yeah, I've just got to get on the court, I feel like it would be a deviation from what we see in the new era, which I would appreciate because, yeah, you do have to be in the final three to even have a shot. So maybe it's possible. I think had I been in the fine, like, I just, I think sometimes you have to think about,

okay, these two people are not voting me. out so they think they can beat me. Like when I was in my threesome with Kelly and Wardog, there was no doubt in my mind that Wardog believed that he could beat me and that Kelly believed that she could beat me. That's why they, that's why, like if we had been in the final three, like if you're in a three, everyone there in some capacity believes that they can beat you.

So I, I feel like they, maybe she did think that she could beat them or like you said, she's like, listen, I got to get to the final three and I'll deal with it then, but then it's time too late. right i think um just to speak on a few things that we talked about first of all it gets harder it gets harder to make that move the further that you get so like like you know if she would have shot her shot a little earlier it would have been easier but then her path would have been harder um i think i might have given my necklace away at final

five so people do it i think um but didn't you have an idol also or not right like so that's a mute point. What? Like, I'm not saying people don't give their immunity idol away at

five. It's just like those, that really only happens in the circumstances when there's no pressure on them.

I know what you're saying. With immunity or whatever, you know. Right, right, but you didn't play. So,

oh, I got to say. Just because you play survivor doesn't, like, you don't have to hold on.

No, I will say this. I'm going to be a strategy. Totally. But just because you played survival. you do have a better idea of what is going on in their head. But I think there's simple strategic principles, it doesn't,

like you don't have to play a survivor to know that someone's probably going to play the idol the last time. I'm with Jack and Laura, you can win Survivor and not really know what's going on because we see one and we're doing. And we're going to play that are terrible. I'm with Lauren because I'm with Lauren because even if someone has an idol and someone just won immunity,

you don't want to take anyone off the table and you want to have those conversations and see what you can do, especially if there is a Riz guy on the island. Blowback can potentially, like, even, I get what you're saying, but like, even if you doing that

and having that conversation potentially gives you a blowback that wouldn't even be able to put you on the court to shoot your million dollar shot. Oh, she's talking to everybody. Yeah, but is it really, like, at final five, when there's one immunity and you're out, is, is it going to be,

like a positive like equity move to go to the other two people and be like hey i know rizzo has an idol and it's the last time he could play it but should we just vote for him like there's so many ways that that backfires whereas i think and again not that uh and talk to rizzo talk to rizzo hey hey there might be another move that could be made hey savannah's tough yeah let's let's pick him savannah had immunity now but it's like no no no maybe if you play your idol on christina and save her. I agree that there is that world where that would be like a game-winning move.

And I agree with Lauren, like the sentiment that you're expressing of like she should have trying to get out. If you don't play your idol, you get to take it home with you. How cool is that? What, the idol? Yeah. If you play your idol, you don't get it back. I don't know if they do in the new era because they give them everything now.

But it's like in one I played, if someone came up to you at five, I was like, yo, you should just take that home. No, I wouldn't say it like that, obviously. I'm joking. I'm just saying, I know, the thing is where. I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying. The problem is, I think in Sophie's, like, calculus, the move that should have been made if she wanted to make a move

would have been at six. Right, but this episode, we were already past. Yeah, but once you don't make that move and she has the mindset, yeah. And for her, if she's suddenly at five was like, wait a second, I should try to get out Rizzo with his. Then it's like, well, why? Like, then it just wouldn't add up at all.

It's like, why would you think, yeah. Absolutely agree with you. you're saying she kind of made that decision at six like listen this is who I'm riding with till the end do or die and I respect it it's like yeah get yourself and I think she has I and the thing is I think her chances against Rizzo and her mind at least are not that bad do you think that realistically or objectively from what I think that real is I think talking to people last night she has a pretty good chance to beat Rizzo

really yeah and granted look like and I think this goes back to the six and again it's like there's a I think there's a very realistic chance Savannah wins at four a lot of the times and so like that's why you maybe need to nip that in the butt earlier but I do think if Savannah if Rizzo beats Savannah and fire I do think Sophie has a very good shot and that's why to Bryce's point of like it's get like get there because maybe something happens at four and then I'm never have the mindset of like get there so that you could be like third place and like you made it what but you still made it it, though.

But I think your mindset, your mentality should always be like, how do I boost my chances to get friends, not just make, but I think there's a lot of, and this kind of goes back to your question, which I, at the beginning, Lauren, which I agreed with of like, I think in Sophie's mind, she does think she has it. Like, I don't think Sophie should have put herself in fire because in her mind, like, in Edge of Extinction, it was very clear that Chris needed to take out Devin. That was literally discussed on the edge where Wardog was like, here's the plan, bro. And he's like, okay.

Unbeknown to us, yeah. Now, here it's like, this is a trio. And I think a lot of the jurors are going to have different criteria of this trio that they're valuing. So in all of their minds, they're probably like, I could pit, like, I could win this jury vote against these other two. So then throw yourself in fire and, like, risk going home. Okay, so I'll take it from a different perspective. Why was there no conversation between Sage and Christina then? At five or one?

at five, yeah. That's the whole conversation. I'm just saying, I think it's odd we didn't see a conversation of these two people that are like, okay, it's either me or you, this two people, there's only thoughts,

you need one more boat. I think, I'm sure there were those conversations, but I feel like editing-wise, the story they decided to tell was like, it's Christina versus page. Yeah. Obviously, I think they shouldn't try to like maybe get out Sophie, but.

Right, but I think that if that was it, like I think that if there was any conversation whatsoever between Sage and Christina that was like blah blah let's get out Sophie and they had gone to Rizzo at all in any capacity he would have been asked that in his confessional and he would have walked

through it in her head and I really fully believe they would have edited on there to make it a little bit more interesting I don't know because then like I think they were riding the narrative of like Sage versus Christina and so then I just feel like editing wise then they're not going to throw in this third thing of like

but also maybe we're going to vote Sophie, I think those are a lot of different stories to tell. I think that those, I think that conversation happened, in my opinion, but I also think to Lauren's point, I think Savannah and Rizzo both felt like they could be so, right? So I don't, I don't think that that's why we saw that narrative as much because, like, you're right, like, they would have to explore that. Like, that only makes sense. But I think to Jack's point where I agree with it's like, the story. is already Christina Orsace. Now, can I get into a little Twitter drama

with y'all were playing? Yeah, I can't worry. No, my, you ain't, no. There's Warren after this episode, call me out. But first of all, shout out to our boy, the baby boy Mitch. Mitch don't miss, okay? Mitch cannot catch a break. Okay, I'm brought to, first of all,

y'all, y'all going to leave Mitch alone. Mitch, Mitch can't walk down the street. and y'all not slandering. Okay, so mind you, after during the episode, while Sophie,

when she won her big move, and again, I got what Sophie, Sophie tweeted, she said, and y'all thought I was going to be a Mitch, or y'all thought I was going to do a Mitch, right?

And y'all were calling me Mitch. And y'all are calling me Mitch. Now, mind you, I feel like it's real, I don't know if I, like, meta. Like, I don't think, I didn't take that as shade.

I kind of, felt like it's like if you know you know, a little inside joke in the community. A little shady. A little shady but like if somebody said that about me like I would get it right. Like I don't, I wouldn't necessarily think that. However, Mitch

only thing Mitch is doing is defending his name. Okay. Mitch just retweeted it. It was like I've been rooting for you and I was supportive of you this whole season. Like, you know, that's all Mitch wrote. Mitch had a sunset poster on.

his wall before that. And Bebe, your tour Mitch up in the comments, okay? Wait, what? Yeah, he just We were reading these Oh, people were coming for Mitch after?

Yes. What? This is on Twitter? Yes. All at my, I'm not even mad at Sophie. Like, I get it. I get what Sophie was doing. Like, you know, the whole Mitch meme was the thing.

Sophie was like, and y'all thought I was going to be a Mitch. Mitch retweeted it and was like, low shady, I supported you this whole season, but okay. And maybe y'all was eating Mitch up. Talk about now you want to make a move, Mitch. Like, you're going to make a move, Mitch. Damn. No, I'm with Mitch.

Because also, I love Sophie B. But like, what, like, what was the big? There wasn't like a big, it wasn't like she made this huge move. It's like, I'm not a Mitch. It's like, what was her biggest? move like putting them in fire like that's not a crazy now sophie was obviously in a much better spot in this alliance like had more chance to win but it's not like she made a huge move right i like i i i wish so it's like but don't slander mitch like his business y'all talk

about like i mean these comments are crazy they're talking about she telling the truth though like wait send it to me i'm so confused how this has was probably at home with his friends watching the finale, little potluck. Yes. Some games. All of a sudden he opens Twitter. Like, damn. I'm like never on Twitter.

I'm so confused. Neither am I. Oh, this Mitch. Hold on. Wait. Whoa. Oh, the post is unavailable. What was the original post?

What the hell? It's unavailable? Did he delete it? No, because I'm looking at it right now. The original post is unavailable. No, no, there. Sophie said, and y'all were calling me Mitch, that Mitch wrote, the shade is wild.

I've been so kind in support. of all season long. And again, and again, I don't think no foul, like, I don't get that, but I just don't get why there are a million comments, are y'all hating on Mitch? Yeah, that's tough.

That's tough. That's the thing. I don't know if Sophie was in the Mitch spot, but it wasn't a reason for her to then be like, I mean. But just like kind of being, like, using Survivor and Survivor and Survivor, Like, I get the reference, right?

Wait, you can you see this one? Sister, please sit down. Let's be so for real. Your gameplay made Laurel Johnson look like Harvardy. Damn. Okay. So all I want to say is justice for Mitch. Okay.

Justice of Mitch, that's crazy town. Also, people on Twitter are so funny. I just, I just. don't get it like I understand what Sophie was doing I get it right maybe a little shady but like whatever and then I get what Mitch is doing like sis I'm showing you love and then it's like y'all dog fire on Mitch maybe if you didn't suck and actually made a move like I'm like I just I don't get the hate no that's crazy I don't get the sweetest man alive he yeah So nice. Wait, so she would, they're just saying, oh, that's so confusing.

They're just hating on Mitch and I don't get it. And also, shout out to Mitch's two best friends that were in New York with us hanging out like, Miss is just the best earth ever. Leave Mitchelow. If you want to go, I will somebody. When Twitter turned so mean? Since it got created, that's what I don't use Twitter. The thing is, it wasn't as bad for Survivor. It wasn't like, it seems like there was a point when like the big brother craziness fandom came to Survivor and started like

it got real toxic. It was, I'm telling you, it was after when it's once TikTok like started and because my season aired in 2019, right? So then we had, I don't know, 39 and then 40. All of a sudden, Survivor just took over social media. They put it on Netflix.

I think we got a whole new wave of fandom and we got a lot of people on social media. Like when I was on it, it was just like read, it and Instagram really like Instagram DMs and I guess Twitter but I was never really on Twitter a ton so it was like

people just saying what they were saying I feel like it's just turned into something crazy now. It was nasty when I was on, okay. Really? Wait, were people mean to you? Child, I was telling Woodland this story the other day during my season every time a beauty

member would get voted out specifically like LJ I remember I remember tweeted like I knew he wasn't going to be able to do it without me like Taylor's like you were you in on the station so you were ins tweeting it you were also the one guy started Bryce if you were on Survivor again now you would be like a god on Twitter oh my god madness someone would like look at you the wrong way and people would be

doxing them oh totally let me tell you guys I got a story we were walking around in Boston Bryce and I and Bryce was telling me about these tweets that he sent about he's tied my head. And how they're like, they're like, and he said, I don't know if he said something about Tony or something. I'm like, bro. Oh, you. Oh, you. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Wait. You're not sending a story. Go ahead. Let's get it. Let's get it. So, no, I was essentially telling Wendell, like, times were different. And when I would be tweeting stuff out, like, oh, I knew.

Like, when Jeffrey got voted out, I was. I was like, you know, like, okay, girl, should have worked with me. And then I'm just telling him, like I said it with L.J. Jeremiah, and one of those like, yeah, you're adding to the narrative, like, you're spoiling because you know who's going to win or not. And then I have revealed to that like, bitch, I didn't know who won my season until I was in L.A. on the finale. What are you talking about spoiling the season? He didn't know. I was like, damn, they, like, they didn't, like, I wasn't the part of them group chats.

I didn't know, like, no one talked to me. Like, I was pretty sure, but I didn't know. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, I was pretty positive. Yeah, but I had no clue. Girl, I didn't know the final six. I didn't know. You didn't know the first?

Girl, he was at home. The people from Ponderosa, girl, I didn't know. What? I didn't know nothing. What I would do to relin those episodes with you? Are you joking? You tweeting live, like, can you believe it? People are like, is he funky guys?

And so, again, so I just tell that story like, I know I'm watching live with y'all. These are real reaction. More importantly. You, oh my God, you're an icon. That's the best thing I've ever heard of my life. That's amazing. It's amazing. No idea.

So again, why the community that I'm a part of in the Survivor community and Bryson, when it's so important to me, because it's like I want people to feel included, okay? It comes from a place. Like, it's so funny. It's so funny because I think about my finale, I remember going to, like, Wu's room. I remember going to Tony's room, and I'm like, I had no idea. Like I had no Wait, were they mean to you? No, no, no.

But I'm just saying like, I can reflect back to my time in L.A. During the finale and like hanging with Wu and like hanging and I'm like, Wu probably is the winner. Like I'm with Tony. Like I had no idea who won. They weren't even talking about it there.

I mean, they weren't talking about it with me. We don't want to spoil Bryce. You guys want to try. funny story about like not knowing who won until the finale. So we're at a free party in the finale in L.A. It's me, Kelly. It was me and Kelly. And then kind of Chris and Gavin were kind of all standing together.

And these fans come over and they're kind of talking to me and Kelly. And then they're kind of telling me they're like, we think we think you won. I'm like, I think I want to. But I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Like no one was about to happen. And unfold, Chris is standing right next to me, right? And he looks at me, Gavin and Kelly. and he goes, can we take a picture together, right?

And he turns to Chris and he says, dude, do you think you could take a picture of us? When I tell you, it is ingrained in my memory of Chris, the winner of season 38, taking a picture of this fan and me, Gavin and Kelly, being like, see? And I'm looking at Chris like, yeah, too more, baby. And I'm like, oh, man, in 24 hours he's going to think, I think I gave the one in season 38. And that's because he was still on the edge

at that point. He had no idea who he was because he was voted out in episode three or something on day eight. Like he had no clue who this man was and it is to this day one of the funniest stories. I like I talk about it all the time. It's my favorite thing ever. You know Chris Underwood had me

blocked on Twitter during your own season. Why would you do? It might you. You know who rectified it? The war dog. Well, because first of all, He brings people together. He really does. He is extremely unconventional, but he brings people together. He does because, first of all, if you know, if you know, you know, season 38, there was a challenge.

You know where I'm going, Lord. There was a challenge that, maybe Chris Underwood got the name, Underwood, okay? And so I, that's where the love of my Chris Underwood came from. And so I just, I always was Underwood, Underwood, Underwood, like, just always showing him love. And then one day I went to, like, write some and it was like, username doesn't exist. He blocked you. That is the funniest thing. I had to tell Wardog in the at y'all finale, I think you were even at, y'all were outside at some dinner somewhere.

I remember Wardalk FaceTime me. He was like, Zaddy I, I've got somebody I want you to meet. It's Chris Underwood. And Chris is like, I'm so sorry. He was like, I thought you were talking trash. I'm like, no, baby. Oh, my God. It was the britches.

It was the britches. Oh, man. I mean, it must have been one of those first, you know, three challenges. He didn't really beating any after that. Laura, I am not trying to get blocked again. No, I can joke about. about it now because obviously I love Chris, but I think it's funny. He's, yeah,

he's great. I do remember that on Twitter. I do. You were my favorite person ever on Twitter. I was back, I was, I used to be home, but it was interesting, the firemaking challenge. Yeah. And I have to say, like,

happy for Savannah, happy for Riz, but like, midway through, and Riz is trying to get it going, and like, you could see Riz look over and the fire that Savannah is building and it's just like, that hits in your stomach. I felt for Rizzo in that moment.

What sucks? I feel, okay, I'm going to say this as nice thing again. I feel sad that he was sad. I do not feel sad for him. You are on Survivor and you are going into the final four and you don't know how to make fire. You haven't made fire the entire time. crazy town to me it's crazy town I'm sorry it's insane

I who was making their fire was it Christina probably saying he wasn't on Christina's team all the time so I don't change your god tribe you post final four fire making challenge if you go on Survivor you should know how to make fire

period right I don't I'm so confused and like I get that I will say I don't I think people think that it might be different on different seasons but like I think people think you're making a fire every day that's not if you're doing it well you should just make one and then you should and Nicole yeah you should likely be able to just kind of keep it relatively rolling and you know you put a log on it before you go to tribal did that quite a bit because it went a lot but it's like um

but you should still know how to make one like I especially let's say that he's in the final three and they're like listen I see a clear path in final four there's even a possibility that I could be in the final four? This is a conversation we have every season. I don't understand. Well, let's ask someone, Jack. What's up? Do you know how to make a fire?

I would need to practice a little bit with like the Flint itself, but I'm very good at like building up a fire. I did not mean to do it down arrow. I don't know what's going on. I think it's going to have a practice with Flint. No, not really. So you don't want to make a fire. Jack, the thing is,

Of course, you can build a fire. The hard part is getting that thing started and lit. I'll be able to get it. But also, I've never been on Survivor before I got it. If I got the call that I was going out, you best believe I'd be outside practicing. I think I could. Oh, you would.

Like, I haven't built on a Flint before, but I've, like, had a Flint. Like, I know how to, like, strike a Flint. You, like, scrape the magnesium off, like, strike it. So what were you doing with the Flint before? I might have been. Good question. Like camping and shit. you had a plant when you went camping me and my dad

we used to be a little survivalist vaude okay so Ben was making the fires I mean we also would use like we ultimately usually use matches but like it would be fun like practice but do they give you in the final four because I famously did not make it the plan on four do they give you like sets to practice fire making

they give you like Clint And I don't remember if it's a knife or your machete. Oh, I think you have your machete. But I know that. They give you a knife in the actual thing, which I think is, is it easier? Yeah. I never made it with a knife. Okay.

Because. I don't have a dull machete. Yeah, that's fair. But I feel like the way that I held the machete would have been, I don't know. I never did it with knife. But I just remember thinking, oh, it's odd that you go from making it with a machete the entire time and they give you a knife I don't know

it might not matter yeah well the nice part a little more manageable too right because you gotta get like you gotta imagine the whole ass machete it's a little harder like get right you could I just hold you yeah but you're not holding it from the end or I wasn't I was just holding it from like the very tit like it's like

this long right and then you're still like a wider blade right you gotta yeah I haven't made fire in quite a bit of time so I don't know well none of you guys made fire in the final form fire making challenge, I will say, it just, it seemed easier with this knife and the flip and these dry, beautiful materials. They set you up.

It's so true. All your materials are dry and like you have everything in the right size. Oh my God. Wait, that's so funny. It's like they give you like a little Hessian, whatever. They give you the taller sticks and they give you the husky or six. It's like if you don't, yeah. No, that's so true.

If you, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before we go to like final tribal, real quick, do we, like, with, at the final five, we talked a lot about, like, different options and stuff. But for this core three between Christina and between Sage, which I guess for the sake of simplicity, not to, like, diminish the games, but one perceived as a good firemaker,

one perceived as not a very good firemaker, who does it benefit to, keep Christina versus Sage? Like, was this the right decision for that trio? Savannah. Yeah. Agree.

Do you think for, Rizzo clearly wanted to keep Christina, which I think probably a fine call. But, because I think it's sort of two, like for Savannah, it's sort of twofold where if you think you're going to win the final four challenge, it's good to have Christina because she could maybe take out whoever

you want. But if you think you're not going to win the final four challenge, you don't really want to go up against Christina, because she could knock you out. But Savannah was A, I think most likely to win the Final Four challenge, but also the biggest threat. So, like, didn't really, didn't want to risk fire. Like, if she gets to the end, it's safe. For Sophie, is it like, like, I think in retrospect, better to have Christina because

Sophie wins Final Four puts Christina against Savannah. Savannah probably goes home, right? Yeah. I got the impression from Savannah that she felt like she was going to be. everyone in final tribal so it didn't really matter to her who was sitting at the end she just didn't like Christina from like not in like a bat not in the mean way just like she said it i'm using her words verbatim she's like we don't like christina so it's like i i think it was yeah it doesn't i don't want to go up against her in fire but i think that was a more of a point of um

persuasion and a reason that she could bring up to Sophie and Rizzo as like, hey, she can make fire. We don't want, blah, blah, we want to be us three. Because I don't think she cared. I think anyone who was in front of her. I agree with your point, though. I think if you think that you can beat everybody, you would want to take out the person who is the best at fire because they might be the only person that could beat you in five. If Christina's at the end, if we swap out Christina with Sage. Is Christina getting votes at the end? Do we see Christina getting votes? I don't know she gets any votes.

Do you? Yeah. Have Rizzo and I haven't read any of the post episode interviews, but have Rizzo and Savannah spoken on what they thought when Sophie put them up in fire? Were they surprised? Were they like, have they given any

comment on it? I haven't seen anything, but I haven't dug deep. I haven't looked at all. Rizzo even out there was that. He was like, if you're going to put me in fire, put me against Savannah, please. You know? But I guess back to my question.

Like, for Sophie, who was ultimately kind of the swing vote at five, do you keep Christina hoping maybe she could knock out Savannah? Or do you keep Sage being like, because Sophie hadn't want to challenge before. So I think in Sophie's mind, maybe it's like, if I am in fire,

well, maybe I don't want to go against Christina. I think that Sophie was convinced by Savannah. Like, I think that she was convinced by Savannah. And I think, I think this is kind of where I was coming from when I was talking about the why was there no conversation on like any movement from this three of, it was so interesting to me to see this like very clearly run alliance by Savannah and Savannah sitting there and being like, guys, this is what we're doing and almost shocked that her two minions. feels kind of your auditory and I don't mean it that way but I think that she felt I think she viewed them like that or at least that's the edit that we got of these two people that were maybe stepping out of line and then all of a sudden we get to the final four and it's like hold on you're my best

friend on this island how dare you not give me the chance to talk to you and all this like there was such a switch up between the vibe of that threesome so I'm like why were we not seeing Sophie feel more independent of Savannah before now you don't kind of Yeah, no, I get it. But that's why I also feel like Sophie's saying like, I don't want to talk. I really feel like it was a direct kind of like I think we see who it hit the most. I feel like that was her way of being like, right, let me take a step back, sis.

Let me come make this decision on my own. We haven't seen in a long time a final three of all women, right? And so I think that despite of whatever we think, of each player, like I think it was really great to see Sophie, Savannah, and Sage in their own right, and my own opinion, I don't care what you all say. Y'all could Mitch me on the internet.

You said at the end, you deserve it. And I stand by that 100%. You got there. They're all right. Like, I don't care. Like, Sage played a great game. I don't care what none of y'all say. Like, Sage,

Sage played the Sage game. And I know that, like, I feel like the edit tried to put, like, Sage as the Antichrist to Savannah, which I really didn't necessarily see that. I just felt like Sage was just knocking out whoever was in her way and just trying to survive.

I also feel like Sophie B came from nothing, came from literally shambles to now being with these people. Savannah has been in control, been knowing her own game, and I just think in their own right, they all are really strong players. And so...

It was a strong final three. Two little facts, courtesy of Zach Wurttemberger. This was the third all-women final three ever. There's only been one all-man final three, strangely. And then I think this is also only the

third time that the third place finisher received a vote at Final Tribal. And that's third place as in it wasn't a tie between second and third who both got a vote. Interesting comment from MC during Final Tribal when

she votes for Sophie. And she says, I came in here feeling one specific way and you completely changed my opinion. I thought it was super interesting because I don't know who was talking. It might have been, I don't know who it was. Might have been Ethan. I don't know. I was talking about how he wishes

that there were cameras on Ponderosa. Yeah, on the Tyson podcast. Yes. And he was like, because what people don't see is that people get to Ponderosa and they are vying for their winner. And a hundred million percent on my season, I can't speak for others, obviously. but there was like a very core group of people

that were pretty much hitting people over the head like you're voting for Chris Under what you're voting for Crescender what you're voting for Crescender like it was very clear that there was like a set amount of people like the edge kind of OGs almost that were like we're voting for Chris like well there is like lobbying going on within Hondurasa on the jury so I thought it was so interesting that she made that comment and that they showed it

where she was like I came in here thinking this specifically way not that she was swayed on ponderosa but i do think that people are talking like it is a there are conversations happening i'll tell you what i've said it before on winners at war that's what happened and there were conversations and then there were people hiding hiding information and stuff and when certain people uh like it was like me adam nick received word that like people were voting for natalie yeah i think everyone knew tony played the strongest game yeah and when we received word that people were voting for Natalie to get her second place

we who wanted to give Michelle our votes we were like geez we have to vote for Tony is and it's clear we didn't switch that up but what I will say is also this I am starting to reconsider

and I feel like I should have just voted for my friend at the end of that game so like And like how, like, Joanne voted for his person, right? He voted for saves, right? He held her down. 43. James Jones voted for Cassidy.

He held this person down. I feel like I should have held my person down and voted for Michelle on winners at war. Yeah. I hear that. But at the same time, at least from what I've heard from you and just in general, is like, when you do see a coalition that's going to vote for Natalie, who, you know, had her own arc. but being vote out first and coming back, I think most people knew that Tony deserved the win.

And so when you don't quite know where the numbers are going to fall, then it might feel like I can't, I don't want to throw, like at that point, Michelle is also going to be third place either way. And it's like if your vote decided whether Tony or Natalie won, it's like, okay, you don't want to vote for like the third party candidate.

You want to like make sure your vote counts. With this, it's like, okay, Joanne probably knew who's going to win. He's like, all let me show sage love, you know? Right. What do y'all feel about that? like what's your general perception of that ponderosa politic is that a part

is that not a part of the game yes yeah it is and I think people you have a bunch of people fresh out the game too who are like still in that strategic mind probably they find their person and they're like if I could ride for my person and vouch for them feels like a win and like to them in their own way I would get you know jury management

and you've got to factor in that you're sending these people off you better be good at sending these people off. Why does it feel when we talk about it, though? It's like almost a little taboo, though. Like, I don't know. Because they don't show it. Because they don't show it on screen.

That's what I think. I think if they showed it on screen, we would talk about it way more, but they don't. And so it feels like from the viewer, and I'm saying this like before I was on the show, it's like we felt like these jurors were only really alive

when they came to tribal council. Like, we were completely unaware of... Which one? I know. what you were what you think what you think that was doing girl I mean like I was I don't know I didn't think of them as of playing the game it's like they were in my head honestly when I was younger I'm like they were off in their own little rooms and then all of a sudden they come back alive to come to travel you know what you don't see you don't know and what you don't see we are kind of I at least I was I'm speaking for myself growing up watching the show what you don't see you feel like doesn't exist and so if we don't

see that people are at Ponderosa literally making a pros and cons list I personally was not involved in this Kelly, Aubrey we were not involved in this. But making a pros and cons list and then going around shoving it down people's throat like this is who you're voting for it's like which

I don't think is wrong. You guys felt a certain way and that person made you feel that way or gave gave you enough, I don't know, belief in them to vote for them, to buy for them. Great. But we don't see it. And I think it's such a unique instance of that, too.

I feel like we've talked about that with you on past episodes of like the perspective of the people on the edge. I just wish there was Ponderosa back in general. Even when they used to have it, they didn't really show like the lobbying that would go around. But it was always fun. Can I tell you another little random Wright story? Oh, I can't wait. Ponderosa used to be a thing we used to watch the Ponderosa videos

I remember when I got folded out yes I remember being like it's fine my time is over I'm gonna get to Ponderosa and still I'm gonna be the king of that Ponderosa video like I couldn't wait

I couldn't wait I got back they're like oh you want to take a shower I'm like no get me to the bar give me a margarita get me my food and I remember Caitlin turned around Caitlin I was like Hey, Lynn, one of the Ponderosa camera's coming out,

and she was like, oh, baby, bull. Oh, my God. We're so sad for you. I felt like that hurt even more. Totally. Like, they're like, you're so high energy, Bryce. I'm like, it's fine. I'm like, I'm going to kill it on the Pondrosa Cam.

I literally understand exactly what you are saying, because when I tell you I used to watch those Ponderosa videos like that was my favorite part I love it and let's give it to me give it to me how did you walk off like what did you wait your first meal when you got to that Ponderosa

yeah no I'm selfish that I lived for my Ponderosa video I'm imagining Bryce going to sleep one of the nights in Ponderosa being like this probably hidden cameras somewhere they're probably they probably not telling us Because they want to be super authentic.

It's like a documentary. It's so great to be here. Like, no, I was pissed. Rice was over in Thailand eating the mango sticky rice. Like, I got to make sure to look okay. You guys come out now. You guys can come out now. Like, no, by you, I don't know why I'm telling you all this story.

I'm trying to tell y'all, I was. defeated. I was so sad to to the point. Shout out to Kate Limmore. That's my girl. You know what my girl did? She went and got her phone and she went and recording it. She went and got her phone and was like, tell me about your first meal,

right? Oh my God, the Lisa can't be. Right now. I have to text her. He told him, she was like, this is how all the Ponderosa videos are done. This is what we do. Really high quality. Really high quality. Oh my God.

I had a traumatic time. I need all early boots to use Bryson as an example because you see not only was he the eliminated his first time at Tribal. Not only did he get to Ponderosa and not have a Ponderosa video. Not only did he not know the winner of his season. Not only did he tell me he only got Tony's number on season 40 but look at him now.

Time out. And Laura, you triggered me earlier this episode talking about the fire. Put a log on before you go to tribal. Bitch, before we left, they were just leaving the fire. And I was like, we got to put something on there. I'm the one to put the log on the fire.

You know what, and they owe you their life because, listen, as someone who went to quite literally every single tribal except for one, coming back to a camp and not having put a log on there, and then all of a sudden you're freezing cold, there's no light. You have to try and make a fire when, especially if the moon phase is down and it's not any type of moon and it is pitch black, good luck. So they owe you their life. And I got slack. Jeremiah was like, but what the fire going to burn through the log brides? I'm like, yeah, but... Not if you put a huge one on there? And we can blow the embers.

Yeah. Hello. You're good at blowing. I remember this whole conversation we had. I've been so serious. Okay. I thought I was coming back. Can we talk a little bit about final tribal?

Can we give credit back to Survivor? Because these last couple of seasons, they haven't been doing the individual questions. And that has pissed me off. And so I was very grateful that everyone got to ask a question. They weren't jumping around. They weren't like in editing. 100%.

Thank you. I was like, hold on, wait. Are we too? Because I just like don't really usually pay attention to what the jurors are asking. Because I usually think it's really stupid. And I just don't care. Like they're usually so dumb. I was like, how did you outplay?

How did you outwit? And then all of a sudden I was like, hold of phone, Christina. Ask it again. Ask it again. Bring back crazy jury questions. That was my favorite thing of a final tribal growing up. Like I so vividly remember really good jury questions.

And not that it was good and not that I would say, do it again, but I will say that Corinne's question. A girl. Two Shogers. Wow. Lives rent-free in my life. It was one of the most, good or bad, bad, bad, bad.

But one of the most iconic parts of that season, ever, a bad history, ever. Natalie's question to Parvety in Micronesia. I remember it. I think it's fun. You get to ask whatever you want. Okay. Yeah. I forget who asked it, but remember when somebody asks like,

you're not going to win and tell me why. So I forget something of the laws or somebody was like, you're not going to win and tell me why you're not going to or something. But like I miss the crazy question. I miss the crazy questions. Bring it back when I tell you I wish more than anything that we had had that on my season, not like that would be so much pressure. I'd be like, what am I going to ask?

I don't know. But it's so fun. Bring it back. Bring it back. And I love Christine's question. Yeah, girl, Lauren. That's the best part. my mind i'm all over the place yes right because even with mc saying like my mind got changed the way that people were asking questions the way christina's question first of all i love christina but it's like christina you voted for so you voted for savannah baby is like that question was not designed for you to want to oh and to oh to see savannah have to answer it oh oh!

And then the editing that showed Sophie knowing the name? Like, it was fantastic. I was like, bring it back. Bring it back. Oh, that was that highlight. But also, again, shout out to Sophie B. Shout out to Sage. Baby, Savannah mopped the floor respectfully.

What? I felt like Savannah did a great job outside. of that question I just felt like her put like I knew she would she put reporter Savannah and I like I enjoy watching Savannah I thought Sophie B

was like crushed final tribal and I thought that Savannah was good but like that one question was like a big time fumble in a way so to me Sophie B was like the standout performance you're right maybe i'll tell you what though no about that one question for her to not know much

at all i thought she did a good job of picking it up as far as like um she she added things in there that she did know about people to kind of like as a consolation or something so i i have respect for her attempt um but yeah she she was like she was like i know you have a mom and a dad I don't know that on day 39 or whatever, if I was sitting there, that I could have named off. And again, my jury was 50 people, so different. But, like, I don't know that I could have named off the names of people, like, off the cuff, like, remembering names. But I, 100% could have been, like, you know, Carly and Gavin. I agree with you.

Wendell, I think she handled it as well as she could have. Fair. Because I do agree. I agree. sitting there in the moment I was like if I was in her shoes obviously never been close Lauren but I feel like you know a lot of personal conversation with someone be like like some of my best friends I don't know like his sister's name but I know like a lot about his family you know I I people talk about like my sister did that it's not like oh my sister

Michelle did you know like yeah Christina Christina Acton Ben Atkins it's true My question would be, do you think that your opinion of someone's final tribal council performance is swayed by your expectation of their performance? So, for example, like, I would expect a past, you know, news anchor, whatever she did, in a profession in which you are, have to be eloquent or you have to be able to articulate your thoughts. clearly, to be better at tribal council than someone who doesn't do that regularly. So I would expect them to do well. Do you think that your expectation taints your overall opinion of their performance? That's a good question. Because like on my season, I would have expected Rick to absolutely kill it in final tribal.

Like he didn't get there, but had he been there, I think he would have mopped the floor. I think that Gavin doesn't have as public effacing or he doesn't have as a job or a day-to-day life in which he has to articulate thoughts or persuade people. And so he wasn't as used to that. I so voted for him because I thought he played the best game. But you know what I mean? Yeah.

So, okay. I don't know if this is answering your question, but I can't handicap someone because they're not good at pleading their case in front of the jury totally i guess i'm just saying for example you thought that savannah did so so well and jack says oh he thought that sophie b was the standout so i'm asking do you think that you because watching just that episode i would have expected savanna to mom and everybody because of the way that she gives her confessionals versus sophy i don't think was as compelling and or as i don't want to say articulate or eloquent but just i think that there was a

there was a difference to me personally of Savannah and Sophie when they were articulating their thoughts in a confessional. I would say that I would like to think that I think you make a really good point of to me it comes out to how do the people express their story in their own way. And so certain people might not be as eloquent, but maybe they're playing more of a social game, maybe they're a little bit more emotional and they're able to like harness that and output it in their own way that feels authentic because you don't always want to be spoken to like you're like that literal jury but i will say to like to one's point

it's kind of hard to overlook like the possess the potential like pizzazz that someone could just have by being a really great speaker i guess re reframing it how what is how compelling is it when someone surprises you by being so good at final travel you know like how much is that going to sway you from voting for someone that was good but you expected them to be good I was about to say Marianne yeah like Marianne came in and I think she shows show like a different side right

like I think something that both both being surprised by their speech but I think also being surprised by like the contents of their speech where Marianne was viewed as like a little bit more like whimsical and silly and like not a hardcore player and then she comes out I was like I did this and this and this and I took out Omer and all this and everyone was like damn like she just

laid it all out there. I think that's great. Not that she didn't do all those things, but I, my point being, I don't think that the jury would have expected to fear it the way they did. And the surprise level of seeing that and hearing that could have outweigh. Yeah. Because you remember it. You're like, hold on. I'm a little bit off center now of what I expected. And that leaves a lasting impression versus maybe a Savannah who you're like, she was articulate and eloquent. And I knew exactly what she was doing the entire time. I'm not as. surprised by what I heard. And so therefore I am not as impacted. I'm not saying that's true or not. I think it helps. I think it can help change your, help give you a little more respect for that person. But I think if, if you're just like,

wow, that person pleaded, if that person gave their case a little better, then I thought they would. kudos to them that person over there played a better game and is a beast at you know like Savannah is the total package

like she has been ready for this game she said she applied like last year after getting let go from her news position she has been ready for this game for a long time and preparing for this game for a long time she's been a fan forever and I also think like as you get a little older like I don't know how old she is but like

I think younger than you. I think it's, I think, I think you're, when you're in your 30s, it's like you're prime to like really do well to shake things up. And, and I think, um, with her life experience, with how well she is at speaking, with her former job, with how good she is at challenges, she's like, you don't want to sit next to this person at final tribal. She is supposed to win this. game. You put her next to Sophie, who does have life experience and she comes from this family

of immigrants and all these things. She's younger, though. She hasn't done as much even on the show. Like, Savannah did so much more and has been a news anchor. Like, it's like, having a story is not as impactful if you don't know how to tell it. Yeah. And you impressed us, but my goodness, you're sitting next to a juggernaut. One million percent. Yeah. It's like, I don't know if you guys watch horse racing. I am objectively obsessed with with secretariat. And secretaryate has, they were, you know, triple crown just absolutely beat every single record, holds every single record, whatever.

He had like twice the size heart that any other horse had, twice the size of lungs, like crazy. He ran against sham who had objectively would have been the secretariat of his year. had he not been running against Secretariat and no one talks about Sham. Like he beat every single record by second. Like it was, it was insane. Shattered it, but he came in second because Secretariat was so far and above everybody else. So it's like I kind of like what you're saying of no one's going to talk about Sham

because he was racing against Secretariat. Like you were probably fantastic, but you have to look at who you are racing against and who you're sitting next to. Absolutely. I don't know. It kind of reminds me of, I think it was like Survivor Token Cheans where... I think Stephen, when he was pleading his case, said something about like, well, J.T. is a country boy. Like, J.T. does... Like, J.T. is charming. Like, this is just J.T.

And Stephen was like, I, this is not me. And I came out here and I adapted and I've come so far. Hopefully I'm not, like, misquoting. And I think that brings up sort of to your point of, like, to put it in, like, a basketball term. If you've got an all-star showing up to Final Tribal who consistently averages 30 points a game and they come to Final Tribal and they score 30 points a game, it's like, okay, impressive, but to be expected. Whereas maybe you have an underdog, a bench player, they usually score two points a game,

and they show up and they score 25. Is it, there's, I think there's a debate where it's like, am I more impressed that this person who scores two comes through and has an all-time performance, or am I just impressed by like the consistent, distinct greatness of the person who does a little bit better than them. And I think someone in Tokenche's, one of the jurors was like,

we can't measure how far you've come. It's just a measurement of like where you're at. But I do think a lot of jurors might have different criteria where they're like, so and so, you're already great and like you've just been great, but this person improved so much. Maybe there's something more empathetic about that. But I do think that's like an interesting debate you kind of introduced there,

of like the expectation of someone's performance versus the act. Right. and Lauren your horse racing jet your basketball I'm more football and it makes me think of the Cleveland Browns with Shador Sanders right the Cleveland Browns they suck they've been consistently sucking you know Shador was Q4 you know he wasn't even slated to play and these last three games with the Q1 out Q2 out Q3 out now he is the quarterback and they're still losing but he's at averaging 400 yards a game, throwing. And so, like, they're still losing by 17, but Chador still is making these great moves. And so, like, you know, just giving the playing field, you know, just want to put my little knowledge out there.

So we talked a lot about Sophie and Savannah. What's funny, Wendt. I just like how Jack just continue the conversation. I agree. I mean, I agree. We got lots of sports and allergies. It was a good comparison. It's like you're still losing, but you're doing better than the other person. Like, is there some credit to be given there?

Thank you, Jack. Yeah. But I think with Sage, I mean, the standout question to Sage for me was the one from Stephen, where kind of talking, and she kind of reflected on her game since the merge and how she was in this majority. But she never really capitalized. on that and ends up with this group and she kind of defends it and it to you guys

did that like was it a good defense or was it still a little bit lacking of like she could have done more both in her game and in her defense of it and I love Sage and I think my I think I feel like her

response is a little lacking and there were a couple other questions where I think that she had really good responses but she was so short and like I don't think I think, like, I feel like she knew what the truth was in her heart, and I don't think she cared to elaborate more. And so I think it could have fit her a little better to go in a little more. I think that, but again, I also know, knowing Sage, right, she's not a person that's going to tell you ever, like, you know, she's going to let it be what it be.

And so, like, it's true. If that answers the question. just well it's a safety wait hello yes okay good I cut out sorry oh no there was me okay before we wrap up I just have one more quick question yeah we can't wrap up before we talk about 50 sorry

I feel like that's almost got to be a whole other episode which you can't be two seconds before 50 I'm just curious in like one word obviously biased because we watch it unfold a certain way. If you were on the jury, who would you have voted for? We'll start with, we'll start with, we'll go Bryce, Wendell, Lauren, and then I'll give my little.

You ask the question. You go first. But he wasn't on Survivor. Okay. I did. I did. I preface that with said with love. Oh, as long as there's love, it's okay.

but, no, I preface this with having watched the show, which I have done before. And this might be a hot take. I think I would have voted for Sophie. I think I would have voted for Sophie B2. Just and again, I just, I'm an underdog girlie. And like, I think I would have voted for Sophie.

I would have voted for Savannah because I thought she played a stronger game. And she was a beast. Fair. Yeah. sorry that wasn't I totally would understand why people would go out for Savannah I just think I was

I leaned a little because this is and this is probably going to be a hot take but challenge wins and stuff they don't matter that much to me

and like firemaking challenge also doesn't really matter that much to me and so I'm almost I'm almost more impressed when someone like Sophie maneuvers without ever winning challenges

Jack I'll tell you what I can't wait I'm what no no no no no i'm very impressed with how sophie played like if i if i if i i don't remember what i said in the cast assessment but the watching her the first few um episodes and everything like i'm so impressed with how like when you go to tribal a lot it's like immediate survivor school and if you make it through tribal a lot you have an edge up on a lot of other people on the island and she went to her survival

or school, she was the last one standing out of her tribe and her maneuverability was like really good. Like I'm the way she would, how she got with Rizzo and Savannah, how she played the middle. Like, yo, I would have never predicted this from her and her game impressed me so, so much. I'll give you that. But to what, Jack, to your basketball analogy when you have like a player that, you know, averages whatever. if they're against LeBron who's been doing it for 20 years.

It's just like, yo, she was next to a secretary in my opinion, you know? Like, she was just next to a beast, but that can't discredit her playing a great game with a couple fumbles. Like, we wanted her to make that big move a little earlier, you know? And no one, it's hard to play a flawless game, but my goodness, she really did play a great came like I've been rooting for her all season yeah sure and then Lauren what would your answer be um I think I vote for Savannah I think I vote for Savannah unless yeah I don't think I can't I don't think I can vote for anyone but Savannah in my opinion just even from like

if I just took this episode I think that the way that she maneuvered her alliance the way that she was able to just control Rizzo and Sophie and then to win when she needed to win. I think she doesn't win that Final Five immunity. I think there's a bigger conversation about sending her home. And I do think there is something to be said. I agree with you that I do think that New Era especially, but there was kind of a shift. And I don't really know when it was when people stopped respecting challenge wins as much as they respected social games. and strategy, I think that there was a shift away from being really deeply impressed by winning

challenges. And as someone who has personally never won a challenge, but was a solid second place winner, it is extremely difficult to win when you need to win and to win that many times. Like I just, I think it's not as focused on and I don't think it gets enough credit it for some reason, and I don't know why, but to win when you need to win is huge. And like it is just, and I think it's like people don't give it as much credit because you don't have to see the scramble and they don't feel like you have to work as hard. It's like, right, that is the point. That is why there are challenges.

And so I think that there's that. And then I think the social game, just watching her absolutely, in my opinion, completely run circle strategy-wise and social-wise around Rizzo and Sophie. Well, that's- You can't not vote for. Well, okay. So here's what I'll say about the challenges because, again, I know a lot of people value challenges.

I think that's totally, like, respectable. This isn't something I like a hill that I die on. I do agree. I think the times where I do respect to the most is if you need to win. But to me, that's more later in the game. If you're the biggest threat at five and you win and you secure your spot, I respect that. If people are targeting you at 12 and you need to win, I'm kind of like, why are you getting targeted at 12?

But my thing is I actually think Rizzo and Sophie might have played better social games. So that's why I give some weight to them. Like I don't think Savannah was running circles strategically or socially. They pretty even at least. And maybe there's an argument one way or the other. I kind of don't even mean outside of that freesome. I'm actually just talking about just with those two, to me, felt like Savannah was dictating what those two did,

which was enough to insulate her and protect her. I'm talking about that three as well. I think, I feel like Rizzo is maybe guiding more. It's hard to tell. Like, we never really saw, like, the deep dissection of their conversations. But I think Sophie had more overall agency with her relationships with other people. And I think Rizzo was a little bit more strategic using the idol to give them, like, some some agency but again i still think you know savanna winning these challenges to me like winning

challenges is impressive if you use that to create agency for yourself in the game and i think savanna did do that so like still very valid like you know impressive game yeah i i do think there's less i don't know when it happened like i said it is hard to base your entire game off of challenge wins now i like it's i think it's impossible to win and spit at the the end and say all I did was win challenges I think a significant disadvantage so I think if that was all she did I don't think she went oh that's obviously not yeah I agree she's not all she did I would I to your say it is an interesting ship I would cite maybe like game changes well because Mike all the way won a bunch and won and then game changes Brad

Culpepper I think won five one Ben Riegenberg yeah that's what I was going to say Ben What's that last name, Bryce? Freaking Bird. But, well, I guess game changes, but Brad won like five and gets like one vote. But then I guess the very next season, Ben. But I guess it's more of like a Ben winning. But also Ben had a lot of idols. He didn't win a ton of challenge.

He won maybe two or three challenges and had like three idols. But maybe this, I think maybe that's to Lawrence's point of like doing it when you need it. Like he showed up every time the jury knew. he was on the ropes and he managed to get his way out of there. Whereas Brad was never really like a target because he wasn't really like running the game. And so he won a bunch but people were like

okay. Like you're just doing what Sarah tells you to do. You're a professional athlete. Like you should. Also drew. And Savannah wins. And we have to congratulate her. And we definitely got the season 50 trailer.

We got a little we're back guys that we miss us we now officially know that Rizzo and Savannah will be joining the cast of season 50 what's your take on 50 Yanna Team Aubrey I'm so excited to see Aubrey

I love Aubrey more than anything in the world she's just the most incredible person ever I love Angelina I'm trying to think who else is on there I met Tiff recently fantastic love her huge fan I don't think if I know anybody else.

Who else one there? I'm going to look a whole cast. Catch me with a team Aubrey T-shirt all freaking season, man. I mean, say what you want, but Team Surrey all day. Oh, my God. Don't play about the queen. I made a video about this, and it was very, it got quite a bit of commentary onics. People aren't his base fan, but Colby is like an OG to

me, I said this in my Survivor audition tape that when I was I don't know how old I was when his season aired I had Barbies and I named them Colby and Tina and I brought them to tribal council and I had Colby winning every time like I don't care that people think he didn't play well on Heroes vs. Villains.

I literally don't care. That's the type of person I wanted to see on season 50 because that feels like a celebration of 25 years of Survivor. So I'm excited about it. I'm excited to see Coach absolutely. Bring him back. I want to see Coach Sorry, I would see coach in Tyson.

I'd watch them every season. You throw them out there once a year. I am logged on like a hundred season, yeah. 100%. I'm here for a coach. I grew up watching a coach. I just can't wait to see a coach. Charlie, obviously Quintavius, our guy, Quintavius is out there.

I'm excited. Angelina. Christian, you Bickey. No, yeah. I'm very excited for the cast. I love the start. of the trailer. Uh-oh.

And I think we might have to do another whole episode on kind of a state of the union here, but as soon as you start talking about Mr. Beast and Billy Irons' boomerang idol and Jimmy Fallon's going to decide the fate of it. What are we doing?

What are we doing? I could go on about this for an hour, so I'm going to save it. But I'm like, why does Survivor? Okay, I'll be straight up. Last two seasons, bad. Probably the worst two seasons of the new era in my opinion. And the new era wasn't that good.

And now 50 is the chance for things to get saved. I didn't know we were doing in sunglasses. They're trying to modernize. But who are the people making these decisions to modernize Survivor? It's all the 60-year-old dudes. And so what do kids like, Mr. Bees? Let's get, like, just make a good season of Survivor. Like, it's not, they've done it dozens of times before.

And all of a sudden, they can't seem to process how to make good, like, It's, I think, I'm still optimistic about 50, but it's like, in what world is the, the, the, the, the Billy Ilish boomerang idol going to make the shit better? It's not. And like, what, who, who, who, someone needs to take the reins from Jeff Probst and just be like, I got a question, shit, like, can we, maybe this is for another pod, but can we make assumptions as to what the Billy Irish boomerang idol even is? Or what a Mr. Beast showing up with a box does? Like, it. I feel like that box, it's either going to be $3 or $5 million. I feel like they're going to be playing for a large sum of money. You know, you think it's going to be at the start?

I was thinking it was going to be like a challenge that's like kind of like an auction type of thing. I think it's going to be a challenge that like sets the gate, like the money increases. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, that mechanic itself might be fun. So like I don't, but it's like, why is Mr. Bees some charismatic ass out on the island? And first of all, get that out to. trailer i want to see the people i get this is my preview it's like who are we doing this for like seven year olds you guys have been talking about the

for two years i'm serious i'm serious i'm seeing i'm saying they've been watching though jack so i see that that's the thing maybe they'll recapture a large audience and it could pay dividends in the long run but i'm like like every week it's gonna be like why who the like zach brown's gonna pull up everyone's gonna be like who is this no disrespect to zach brown's music it's good but if you showed up on the Island, I'd be like, oh, he was baby fat. Hey, Jack,

hey, Jack, that would get the kids excited, okay? That would get, like, Colby excited. You all know what I'm saying. No, but I'm still very excited. I'm so excited, like watching coach walk in with his little, his little confessional and watching Q

canceling everything. I was very excited. So I'm still off the mystic. Oh, no, we can do it in a different, a different podcast. I was going to say you guys taking bets on who you think wins. I got to look at it again. You'll have to come back, Lauren. Okay.

Also, apparently with Mr. B., I don't know who said this, but someone said that when Mr. Beast was there with Jeff, apparently Jeff was like, yo, you don't have to yell. Everyone's paying attention to you. You are lying. something like that shows they respect or that's how you everyone's listening to you don't have to yell like you could just speak

I don't think he was that stern about it but it's like thank Jeff maybe Jeff's maybe I gotta take my slander against Jeff back because maybe as soon as Mr. Bs got there Jeff was like what are we doing like who is this guy? I oh I guarantee

well maybe not I don't know Jeff is I don't know but there's no way that was like a unilateral Jeff decision to freeze your beast on there. And then especially with the survivors on the new beef. Yeah, like this is a cross-promotional opportunity. Yeah. What network is that?

Amazon Prime. Amazon Prezine. But it's like, I understand trying to capture a wide audience, but what about the prestige of Survivor? Like, you know, you get your toes with beast games. And I can't get me so much left. I mean, Napoleon ice cream. captures a wide audience.

And I mean, this is, so I'm trying. Yeah, this is going to be when he's first season watching. This is Mr. Bees, and he's going to be sitting there eat his tub of Napoleon ice cream. We got to stop that. We can't have any being bullied. It's for my uncle.

Thank you. For my aunt. Mr. Beast. Um. Yeah. What I do? I see some of the vision. of them, sorry to glazer.

I see some of the vision of them being like, let's make this an event and bring in like some pop culture to it. But I'm still like. People wanted to be an event. People want it to be a celebration of 25 years of Survivor with the people that we know and letting them play the game and listening to their confessionals. I don't think people care if we see Mr. Bees. Well, I think the mindset, and this isn't to defend because I don't like it.

But it's like to them, this is going to maybe people that don't usually watch Survivor are going to come back because they see Mr. B. saw it because they see Billy Elish is on it and they're going to promote it. So maybe more people are going to watch it, but it's like, I agree, it's like the sanctity of Survivor. It's like this is, the 50s not supposed to be like the mass appeal.

I don't need to see Zach Brown given five confessionals when Christian Hubicki isn't getting too. The only thing I'll say to that is like, I'm thinking if they're, this show has been on for 25 years and and people are like, oh,

What's Jeff's timeline type of thing? And like, oh, I don't like the show. Oh, it's whatever. They do a good job at grabbing the younger audience. That's how this show stays so relevant. And for them, it's like, all right, this is a celebratory season. I'm just assuming. Let's bring these inputs like Mr. Beas has a gargantuan following.

He's hot as fish grease. He's like, he's, you know. So it's like, all right, let's bring this guy in. So these eyes, these fresh eyes can come. Let's bring the Philly Island. Let's bring these people, the Zach Brack. What's his name? Zach Ryan.

Zach Brown is a different guy who would have been a better get. Well, let's bring these in to get these eyes on this thing that it's like, let's reinvigorate this thing. True. I get. I guess. It might help the longevity. So if this helps Survivor stay on for 10 more years. It's a business.

I can live with it, but it's, I don't know. I just feel like there's other ways to do that that isn't like the Billy Ilish boomerang idol. Like, Colby's ass is going to be in the woods and find that. I'd be like, who the hell is Billy Ilish? And that's going to be a hilarious moment. It's going to be great. It's going to be great TV.

But there's going to be, we're living in a timeline where it's going to be like, can you believe that Jimmy Fallon saved the Riz God tonight on Survivor while Mr. Beast was there? Like, that's not even a real sense. well nevertheless we'll be here covering and watching it and while 50 is on the horizon it is still savannah's time and we here at the survivor news want to give a huge shout out to savannah and the final three all women we love to see it sage sophie b and savanna congratulations savanna Lauren, as always, a holiday and end-a-season treat. Wendyzie, Jack. Always a pleasure.

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