RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 49 Episode 8 Recap: White Lies

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

The baby boys are switching it up this week! Brice and Jack are holding down the fort with a special guest — Survivor 47’s own Rome — as they dive into Survivor 49 Episode 8, “Hot Grim Reaper.” And whew, Survivor said plot twist! The tribe may be merged, but this episode splits them right back up, shaking alliances and forcing players to show their cards whether they’re ready or not. Brice, Jack, and Rome break down all the mid-merge mayhem: the scramble for safety, rising underdogs, power plays, and the idol energy that has the beach buzzing.

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It's the purple pants It's the purple pants Hello hello and welcome back to the Purple Pants podcast Survivor News. I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Bryce Isaiah. And I thank you so much for tuning into this week's Survivor News. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast, we are available on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you can find podcasts.

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myself, and Rome from Season 47 of Survivor. We're here talking all things, Survivor, 49, episode 8. We're getting into this split of the tribes' immunity challenge and this, what is groundbreaking, elimination of our girl, and we're talking about the dichotomy of what is happening, how it happened, should a shot in the dark been played, this is so much more. So let's get in to this week's Survivor News. Survivor News

Survivor News Survivor News Survivor News Survivor News What's going on? What's going on? Welcome back to this week's Survivor News

covering Survivor Season 49 Episode 8. Super excited to be here with The Man, the Myth, the legend from Netflix The Circle Season 2, Jackery, the Liar, Atkins,

What's popping with you? A liar. Yeah, Jack. So we can start this pop. Well, listen, okay. And we also have Rome from season 47 and the host of Rome's reality podcast. What's popping with you, Rome? Not much, man.

Appreciate the shout out. You know, it's always a pleasure whenever you guys have me on. And, you know, I'm ready to talk some Survivor. You know, appreciate the shout out of my podcast, you know, just getting started. You know, it's been pretty fun. It's been pretty fun, though. doing doing my thing. So it's been fun.

Yeah. If you haven't checked out Rome's podcast, you can listen to it on the YouTube. It's a great podcast. I try to listen to it every week. And I'll text, Rome, what I think about it. But before we even talk about Survivor, let's get back to Jack Akers being a liar. So, Rome, if I were to call you and you can't pick up and you say you're on a call, what would you, like, what would you assume?

that call is. Pretty important. Okay, thank you. Now, Jack recently graduated college a couple of years ago. Jack recently got a job. Jack now keeps a Google calendar. So Jack be real. You know, Jack be like, hey, he'll come to a watch party,

be like, hey, I got a call. I'll be back, come back. So I the other day just decided to, let me FaceTime my brother, see what he doing. He ain't picked up. Face-timed him right back, he can't pick up. He said, hey, I'm on a call, Bryce, give you a call back. I said, oh, my bad Jack is working.

I don't want to bother him. Then I went to get something to eat. Jack called me. I missed him. We called him back, call back, call back. I finally got the man on the line, Rome. And I said, my bad Jack, I ain't mean to interrupt you. This M. F says, oh, sorry, I was on the game.

The game and a call is two different things. Can I make a, can I clarify something? I was on the game with friends who I was on a call with. Rome? And look, Bryce, I hear you. But also, if you're in, if you're mid game and you can't like

posit you're online with friends on the call, it's easier to just be like, yo, on a call than be like, hey, sorry. So technically, like, when you're playing a game and you're using Discord, you're in what they call a call with your friends, right?

Bryce, you pick the worst person to, Also, you got to understand, Bryce. I've played League of Legends with Jack himself. We've played. We've been on a call together. Together. So if I, so you were on the game, Rome, and I called you, what would your text response be to me?

Hey, let me finish up this game real quick. Thank you. Bryce, I hear your friend. I also just feel like, you know, usually if I'm on the game, I don't want to be. dismissive and be like, you know, I'm on the game. That's, it's kind of rude. So I'll just, you know, hit a, but to be fair.

So a white lie. Not a white lie. 95% of the other times, I might, I might be a white lie. 95% of the times that I do say I'm a call, like, especially at the events, it's a word call. But if I'm just, you know, I'm at home, I'm on the game. And it's, it's very high intensity. I don't want to just be like, yo, sorry, like.

but I hear your frustration. I'm sorry about that. But I thought you were at like an event with someone who might like I might know or something. So I wanted to be ready to FaceTime me with my full attention. I was like, we finish this up. I facetined you back, didn't answer. I was on the call.

I was on the game again. Finally after I wrapped up, we were able to call. But I hear you. And I'm sorry about that. I just, I don't, I don't trust anything. He's saying anymore wrong because I'm like, oh, busy, so cause I was on a call. Anywho, now that we got that discovery,

so would you consider this a call? If somebody were to call you right now, would you consider this a call? 100%. Yeah. And saying you're on a call, it's just easier than like, hey, I'm in the middle of a podcast with Bryce and Rome. And then they'd be like, well, what's that?

And it's like, I'm on the call. I can't tell you right now. Maybe I should just start using that. Okay. I take a note. You say you're on a call, people might assume, it leaves things open to interpretation and people might be like,

you might be talking to, you know, he might be talking to Mom Donnie. Like, he might be pretty busy. So that's a white lie. You've got to add to your arsenal, Bryce. Okay.

I mean, I don't tend to lie, but now that I know calls can be anything, if I'm in a, car is that a call if you're on the phone if you're on the phone but what if I'm listening to but if you're in the car you can just be like

hey I'm in the car and that's that's a valid yeah being on a call involves talking to someone else so like he technically was in a discord call with his friends talking about the game so when he says I'm on a call he is technically on a call with his friends so he's not lying he just

your perceived version of his truth was different than what he actually meant facts and that ties in right to what happens this episode on Survivor 49, these perceived truths. Was anyone on a call this episode? A couple of people actually might

been on a call. A three-way call at that too. But we just got, or I just got back from Chicago from Bryce and Wynn 49. We had multiple cities same coast, different

time zones. But we were Atlanta with Ozzy. That was an amazing turnout. We were in Chicago. We had a lot of the 49ers there with us. The same coast. That's the same coast, right? Chicago's not the West Coast?

No. Chicago's the Midwest. Chicago's the Midwest. Rice looked out at Lake Michigan and said, I can see England from here. And so, is Atlanta considered the South? Yeah, it's also East Coast.

Chicago's Midwest. So we were in the Midwest, in the South. Chicago was amazing. Shout out to everyone that was there. Shout out to everyone that was in Atlanta. We're doing it again next week. Bryce and Wynn will be in Denver, Colorado, and Ozzy will be in New York.

From there, we'll be heading to Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York City again. and so you can get your tickets at Bryson Wynn, present Instagram or Twitter. We love to see you an amazing episode. A lot to talk and to unpack. But before we get started, Rome, we haven't talked to you all season.

What are your thoughts on this season? You know, I've been enjoying it. You know, I said, you know, multiple times, this season just feels like two seasons to me. Like, it truly does. It feels like we had a mini season of, the Blue Tribe getting decimated and then the game started. And now we've got a game of Survivor going on.

So it feels like, you know, the Jake shenanigans, the pre-Jake shenanigans versus the post-Jake shenanigans just feel like two completely different seasons. Like it doesn't even feel like Trashy Annie was like on this season. If you just like, you go what I'm saying. Just because it's like it was such a distance. It has nothing to do with what's going on right now. You know, like absolutely nothing.

just because of how drastically that tribe got decimated. I mean, losing four people in seven days. Like, that's really bad numbers, you know? So to me, it just feels like two seasons. So I enjoyed the first half of the season. It was dramatic. We had, you know, the crazy medevac, and I'm enjoying this second half of the season

where, you know, we get a lot of interesting Survivor gameplay, it looks like. A lot of advantages at play. A lot of, you know, potential major plays to happen. a lot of potential crazy blindsides and that kind of makes sure that every single tribal is going to be somewhat exciting

so I kind of like the season so far. In recent seasons do normally like the first, second or third boops have ripple effects eight episodes in after they've been booted? A lot of times there can be

like there can be situations where like hey you sent home my number one so now I don't trust you later in the game, you know? So like, and that's happened plenty of times. you know, where like, you know, your number one will go home and you look at the people that voted against them and you hold it against them until later.

So it can play a factor, but there's absolutely nothing from those first two votes that are going to come back to bite anyone on this blue tribe. So that's why it feels like a totally distant memory just because, you know, it's so far distant. And I'd agree, Bryce, like, to your point, those early votes that might not have a ripple effect, but you might still be seeing different tribes,

different dynamics at play. Whereas with this blue tribe, it almost got completely wiped out. So most of those people we saw on any of those tribals are just gone now. And then Sophie and Alex really aren't at the center of the narrative, at least right now, too much. I'm sure that they'll be back in the swing of things more down the line. But to Rome's point, right now, it does really feel like Uli versus Heena. And so all those pre-peraged tribals with the Blue Tribe is just not a factor at all. It's like a two-trib season now.

I could get behind that, so do you think, because we've seen in recent seasons with like the Tinka 3 with Jam Jam, Carolyn and Carson, do we do either of you feel like Sophie B and Alex are in a potential position that they could be the winner of season 49? I think definitely they could both be in a position

to be sitting in those final seats. the problem is is that right now they're just tag along votes and you don't win Survivor just being a tag along vote you win Survivor by being the reason the vote

went a certain way, right? And this first vote at the merge they flopped the vote at least you know at least neither they were there there's not only there yeah well I mean Sophie

she voted she voted the wrong way you know and that's why in this episode we see her going back to Alex and being like hey Alex like I know I just flipped

and, you know, tried to put an okey-doke and go with Uli, but Uli, they didn't vote right. So I'm trying to see how we can rekindle this bridge right here and get this back going because that first vote with them didn't work out. But me and you, we're shooting 100% together, you know? Like, she probably feels that way. Like, listen, me and you can ride this thing out, we'll be good to go.

So let me try to work back my good graces with Alex right now, which is understandable because it can't feel good after getting so many votes right to all of a sudden get a vote wrong. Yeah, I think both are in a good position, though. Like, it's more reminiscent of like a Malcolm and Denise where you get whittled down to two people. You split up to different tribes. One kind of absorbs one than the other gets in with the other group. And then they're going head to head.

And they should be able to slip by, even though Sovi voted wrong, she still seems like she's in an okay spot. So I think they'll have opportunities to make some moves down the line. Like, I think those two would probably be towards the top of my list of potential winners. do you think like in a Sophie's position because we see her going to Alex and we see her talking to Stephen I can understand talking to Alex

because like that you've been with him the longest is it even worth saying anything to Stephen? Sure. I mean you live in with him so like you might as well talk to him like you might as well make you know make sure he's you know at least on your good side personally like you might not be able to talk heavy game with him but you could still like you know

make good with that person and make sure they feel good about you and don't want to write your name down first. I feel like there's a potential to work with you in the future. So, I mean, there's always positives to talk to people. I mean, obviously talking to him, but what I'm saying is like, is this a case where

should she have done like a Jack Atkins and just told a white lie and just been like I don't know who did like because would he really know? Yeah, I think he'd know. I think you gotta just be like, my bad, the people that I ended up with, the only people I knew in the game told me

this is what the vote was, and I'm sorry that that happened, and hopefully we can mend fences moving forward. I think she handled it super well. The moment she tries to lie and be like, oh, I actually, I did vote Nate. It's like no, you didn't. Then he just looked super shady. Yeah. That's why I'm the third boot

because that's probably my approach that I would have went. Like, I just would have been like. Wait, someone voted for you? I didn't know Bryce would be like No I voted for Nicole Oh you're talking about this tribal

Oh I don't know I wasn't there I put Jake name down But like he's not here Hey that's what I was going to do In my last tribal Remember I wrote Sam's name down Because I was like

Okay I think it's going to be Saul I think everybody's about to write his name down So I'm going to write Sam's name And when I get back to camp, I'm going to just say I wrote Saul's name, too. I don't mind that. I don't mind the little thinky vote, but when it's one or the other, and people know who, like, just the two alliances were. Yeah, but, like, there was 13 of us in that tribal council.

Like, I could have got away with that life. Yeah, you're good for sure. What did you tell Sam back at camp? I didn't tell him anything. I was gone after that. There was nothing to talk about. I haven't talked to Sam since the island. So there's real.

Really? There we go, yeah. It's like a hinky vote. You should have told him you voted for Andy. You know what's crazy is I told Andy that night that he was going to be the decoy, not to get off topic. But, yeah, that night he did. He didn't believe me. And then that night when he saw his name come up, I looked at him immediately.

He was like, he was like, wait a second. Like, so that, uh, that put him on alert that I didn't actually lie. Like, yeah, Sam said you, your name was the decoy that night. So don't trust them as much as you want to, you know. So, yeah. We've been talking this season or I've been trying to figure out the decoy vote, uh, Rome. What's your thought on the decoy vote? I guess in the, the nuance of nobody wants to be the decoy vote,

but someone has to be the decoy vote. and I almost argue at some point like you should volunteer to be the decoy vote. And that happened in this episode somewhat, grass. Yeah, I know, which was interesting because it was the complete opposite two episodes ago

where it was like you didn't want to be, but I also feel like when you if you want to be the decoy vote, you need to offer it. I think it's different when somebody is offering you as a decoing someone's telling you that you're the decoy, that it's like... Essentially, it's saying that you're the decoy

is putting throwing their name out there like look if this backfires it's you tonight like oh that's not where i want to be like so like you said it's good to it's better to to volunteer but at the same time if you volunteer like hey guys i'll be the decoy tonight they might just turn around and be like so all we got to do is act like we're voting him out so we can just vote him out like so you know what i'm saying like he's going to really think he's a decoy we can just vote them out. So like, so you never really want to volunteer. Like, I just think the idea of a decoy vote is bad. Whether you're the decoy, whether you say someone else should be the decoy, like, you should never, the word decoy should never come out of your mouth as a survivor player. Just let somebody else

come up with the decoy plan. Like shot in the darks didn't even get talked about this episode, which is wild because we can get that later if you want. But I don't understand how at tribal council, Sophie says tonight it's 100% me or MC. All six votes tonight are either going to be me or MC and neither one of them play the shot in the door. I think there's a world

that there's a split though so it's you need to keep your vote because if they think Savannah's What world is there a split when you know If they think Savannah is voting and Uli splits their votes on MC and Sophie then you need to vote for the other person. Now quick question now Ron you said the last time

you was with Wendell, his breath snunk. When did I ever say that? What? Rome. I thought we were cool, man. That's crazy. You should have heard what he was saying before you got on. That's crazy.

Wow. Y'all ain't right. He said he would have voted for Dominic. Roan. He said he was taller than you. He was talking crazy. He said you were lucky to make it to the merge on winners at war. Geez, you know, I guess I deserve it.

Guys, I'm just popping in real quick because I have, I have to run to something. I'm on spring break down in Atlanta right now. Okay, turn up. And I got to run to something. I got to run to something in about 10 minutes. I'm still somewhere. But I just wanted to say hi to y'all. I want to quickly report that there was a Bryson one.

Atlanta last night hosted by Ozzie and he did a really good job on one leg oh one leg wait

what happened Ozzy had and a bullhorn and a bullhorn Ozzy had knee surgery I don't know

what happened to his knee but he had knee surgery and yeah he hosted and I got there late

because we finished things late I got there at 915 the episode ends at 930 when I walk in Ozzy runs up

to me on crutches he runs he hovels up to me on crutches and he's like Wendell I want to announce that you're here I got a bullhorn I'm like first of all where did you get a bullhorn from and second of all no thank you and then I go around

I say hi to everyone I look over Ozzy is standing on a chair giving an announcement is that why he had to have knee surgery in the first place my man is overly ambitious but I just wanted he heard MC's name and thought it wasn't instruction.

Good one, Jack. That was funny. Now, before you go, Wendy's we have talked about Jack is a liar, but also can we also just, well, call Jack out real quick

because we can bring him to show them to the group chat. Randomly, this Sunday, when you'll send out a group message. At 6 a.m., I happened to be up, and Rome, Jack was the most responsive. He has ever been. Ever. Sharp. He was on it. I was out late that night.

I was like, Jack, are you sleep? Jack was up. Now, mind you, he texted us maybe like two days before. We didn't respond. Jack was like, hey, yo, is Joy M. F is going to hit me back about this? I said, oh, Jack. Yes. And what's crazy is, Rome, we thought. Bryce is like, Jack, you're up early. I'm like, this man hasn't gone to sleep yet. It's true. Wow.

Then Jack said, all right, I'm going to go to sleep. I'll hit you guys back in two hours. This month, after Texas at 10 p.m. Talk about I'm just getting up. I never said I'd hit you back in two hours. You did. We've already determined, okay, is that another white line? I was about saying, did he say he was on a call?

Like he was going to hit you back in two hours. I was going to sleep for the night. said I'd hit you like in the afternoon. Going to sleep at the night at noon. Right. No, I was going to like 5 a.m. And I said I'd hit you back when I wake up. At 10 p.m.

No, it was at like, I mean, Eastern time, maybe it was like 4 p.m. All right. Well, let's get into this episode. Wendell, what do you think? I know you have to run, but what did you think about the episode, Wendell? I got there at 9.15. I didn't see what happened. Chicago.

You're in Atlanta? Yeah, I'm in a. for a couple weeks doing a little something. So, yeah, I got there at 915, and Ozzy's like, yo, Savannah's making a move or something like that. And then I saw a tribal, but yeah, we'll talk about that when I jump on next week.

But before you go, the Rome and Jack were making a point where Rome said that Sophie was like, it's either me or MC. And Rome is like, it's not that. Y'all can play. You're shot in the dark. and it didn't come up.

Do you feel like the, what's your thoughts on the shot in the dark? I don't, I mean, I didn't watch it that intently, so I don't know the full context. Thank you, Wendell. Yes. Thank you, King.

All right. Thanks, Wendy Z. We got a pod to go to. So that actually is a really good point, though. You're saying, Jack, the shot in the dark, wouldn't have been a good option? Well, I'm saying here, if you think that the Oolies are voting for you, like if for Sophie or MC and you think that Savannah's voting,

so they have four votes, I think there's a very good possibility they split the vote, in which case you should vote for the other person. Why would they ever split the vote to two-two when they're trying to get two people out? You don't two-two-two split a vote with six people. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. You two-two-two-vote.

There's been many two-two-two votes. because then it could come back on one of them this is the reason why you don't do that right but it can come back on one of them if they all vote for the same person they haven't hear me out hear me out they two to vote it right the two that are on the outs right that know they're on the outs emcee and sophy

they put their two votes on Rizzo then they announce okay everyone has two votes the three people that are up for whatever are MC and Rizzo right MZO and Sophie the other people might sit here and say, hey guys, Rizzo has an idol. They don't got nothing.

Why don't instead, when he can't play it right now, we just vote him out. That could have easily happened, right? That could easily happen. You don't want to give a chance to people to change their mind. So I don't think if they're under the belief that Sophie and MC are going to vote for each other, then you kind of have to then vote for one another. Like Sophie and MC clearly lost trust in each other, so they're going to vote for each other.

And that's what I'm saying. that's where I'm saying they definitely should have play their shot in the dark. You know if you're on the right side of the vote, it doesn't matter if you play your shot in the dark. You're safe. If you're on the wrong side of the way. Because say MC and Sophie are voting for each other

and then Uli does split the vote. Say I'm Sophie and I play my shot in the dark. Now I receive three votes and MC receives two and I go home. Whereas maybe if I vote and I tie it up, then they're going to revote MC. In my opinion, you would never two to split a vote with six people. Like that's just never a lot.

I mean, that happens a lot. You say it happens a lot. When's the last time it happened? I don't know off the door exactly when the last time it was, but that happens. I mean, it's obviously very situational for having six people, but that definitely does happen.

In Bryce's season, they split a vote on. That's how I went home. And if he had voted for Morgan, it could have been different, right? Yeah. So with six people, it was a two, two, two split?

Well, but didn't Morgan vote for you and you voted? for like Alexis. So no, me and Morgan voted Alexis. Jeffra and Alexis voted me. L.J. and voted Morgan. And then they voted, they re-voted Bryce on the re-but. But if Bryce had voted for Morgan, Morgan, which I should

I didn't know Rome at the time. So like, I didn't, you know. There you go. That's fair. Obviously, there was no shot in the dark to be played either then, but I just, I just think as a survival, like, if I'm out of Ireland, and there's 16. people and it's announced it's me or her tonight they're not about to split the vote like they're not like i don't think like in my head there's a zero percent chance that they're about to two to split this vote i guess it depends on your calculus but like if you if that's your no but if that's what you think then yeah you can play your shot in the dark like i i've made that point a lot

before where if you think it's me or then it's just like my vote doesn't matter you should play your shot in the dark yeah that's that was the situation like you know it's hurt like it's one or the other i think there's a good chance they split and it's worth voting for the other person. I don't think that's why. That's why it depends on your assessment. Yeah, it depends on the player. But I just think it was interesting

it didn't even get brought up because I know that if I'm sitting here and I'm on the wrong side of the vote and I don't play my shot in the dark, I'm just the one vote that went the wrong way and I didn't even try to save myself. But guess what? If I was on the right side of the vote

and I played my shot in the dark, I still had a chance of staying and I'm going and I'm staying in the game. Does that speak to the level of survivor players that we have now? that maybe it was a conversation that we didn't see, not from them, but to make them feel comfortable not to play their shot in the dark and the sense of like where they're gassing MC up to be like,

it is Sophie and they're gassing Sophie up to be MC. So it's like, because we see this in a new era, they think about that risk and they don't want them to play it in the event that it does hit. So does that, could that speak to the gameplay of the rest of the tribe that is here? or do you think it's just circumstantial? I don't know. Go ahead, go ahead. I just,

I don't think MC or Sophie were fully bought in that it wasn't going to be them. But I think it was, but I think it was more to the, to me, again, I think it's more if you're worried they're going to split, you got to put your vote on the other person. Now, I mean, we can,

we can stay on this before we move forward, but to me, they shouldn't have been in this position to begin with. I'm with you on that. because I don't know where y'all want to go because so much after this immunity challenge that I'm just confused about, right? Like, because I'm kind of mad at Joanne.

I'm mad like, again, nobody. Why you know of Juana? Because I feel like Joanne, when MC came to Joanne, I was like, hey, trying to build trust with you, just to let you know, Sophie throwing your name out blah blah blah like I felt like

throughout the episode then when Sophie was talking to Joanne again they're back on good terms like Joanne's still keeping that option open I kind of thought that that was crazy like what are you doing like you're saying you can't trust MC because she played an idol or didn't tell you

okay but now she's coming to tell you information and she's saying that listen Sophie trying to boom boom boom and it's you and then throughout the course of the events Joanne is still willing to work with Sophie. I'm like, what's happening here? I think it's because

once Savannah came back on that boat as the hot grim reaper, like she said, I think that was the moment where Uli became Uli strong real quick because they realized Savannah's immune. That's a guaranteed vote going however she wants. She can vote however she wants. She's safe.

Rizzo has an idol. So that has two people on Uli that are voting together, you know they're voting together, and they're safe. So the smartest thing to do when there's a group of six people and you know where two votes are going and you know two people potentially are safe, just vote with them. Just do whatever they want. It's that simple. Like in survival, it's like it's that simple of a vote. As long as I go with you and don't make you upset, you're not going to vote me out.

So it's that simple for Joanne and Say's to just be Uli strong and go back to their red tribe roots. Although I do agree with you, Bryce, because I fully agree with Rome, where you're in that situation, then it becomes a little bit too. much of a risk to go for Rizzo at that point. Now we can touch more on that a little bit and a bit. But I agree with you, Bryce, where MC gives you this information, Joanne should probably want to keep MC and take out Sophie. Although I also think you factor in other things, like, according to them, MC, more socially connected.

And a lot of the case to take out Sophie was like, she's a challenge beast. I'm like, are we looking at, have we seen MC? like she's the biggest beast out there so obviously you factor that in I think for Uli it maybe does make more sense to take out MC now maybe for Jalon to your point Bryce she's the one who brought you that information

maybe you want to but maybe he didn't want to stick his neck out too much which I think is reasonable in a vote like this my biggest right let's hear it I hate to say and I guess we're just talking about the post you know post challenge everything we can get back to all that stuff in a bit too but

my big my i think emce's fatal flaw was was just telling joan about yes a hundred percent because to me sophy you know and have all these situations to offer yourself up as a decoy bryce i don't think this was a terrible one where you sort of think that um now i don't know if i would have fully offered myself up but i think it creates a good plan where she diagnoses that rizzo's a bit cocky he's probably not going to play his ivory maybe I make the most sense as Sophie as the target. I'm just going to lean into that and like 80% of time we'll take out Rizzo with his idol. I think that's a good move.

And so for MC, now when that happens, the options are either we take out Rizzo with his idol or he plays his idol and then the vote goes on Sophie and as MC I'm in a really good spot. And even if Rizzo plays his idol and Sophie throws a vote on Jawan, I'm still a deciding factor in whether Joanne or Sophie go home, right? So there's really no need to tell Joanne about this because let the vote happen. Either blindside Rizzo and everyone goes for that or if the idol gets played, then you can be like, oh, I didn't know Sophie was going to throw a vote.

Let me vote Sophie out. Or let me re-vote with Sophie and take out Joanne. You still have the options. So don't, you know, information is the most critical thing. Don't give out this information when you could have been the one who is, A, safe, and B, has like the most intel on what's going to happen and can move from accordingly from there. And I can see why she maybe wanted to tip him off, but at that point, you're just, then you're giving out everyone too much crucial information. You're also breaking up the trust of that group

that wants to blindside Rizzo. And now the target is going to spin back on you. Well, she did say in her exit press that it didn't make the cut, but she told Joanne because she didn't want another black person to go home and a split tribal. So she did. say that out there on the island and um fair it ended up coming to bite her and it still ended up happening so now i i can agree with the sentiment of wanting to work with joan but you still you know if you think about it like if there's a re-vote sage in savannah or i mean she doesn't know savanna at this point but in her mind at this point she and sage would both be voting on the revote they could just send sophia um so sage and joan might sit here and

be like oh like that's where i'm thinking like either vote together and throw another vote like another two votes on someone if you think they're going to split the vote or just play a shot in the dark like i feel like there was only two options i feel like voting for the other person was redundant because if there's already that's what i'm saying if if if they all four of them vote for rizzo right and rizzo plays an idol and now there's one vote on sophy from rizzo and one vote on joan from sophy then the people that are voting are like rizzo Sage and MC and if MC wants to save

Juan you know Sage is going to vote for Sophie so MC could just vote with Sophie and vote for Joe or sorry vote for MC could just vote with Sage and vote out Sophie and then your agenda is still accomplished without kind of making

yourself vulnerable to the vote getting switched up on you like I'm not mad at MC for wanting to work with Joanne I think you just got to kind of hold that information and do you but obviously and we've seen time and time again that like it is a person of color that goes out in these votes like in all of the new era so do you think it was a matter of like her thinking too forward right obviously I know she wants to work with joanne because she doesn't want another black person to be voted out but I'm also thinking it's like you're trying to gain favor here and it's like you're trying to play for next week and the week after that and it's a sense of like where we see time and time again. a survivor where it's like you actually need to play for today right now you can figure that out later this is where she should have had sandra's mentality anybody but me the plan wasn't going to be you

and you made a you you know you made it a reason to be you like anytime that their plan isn't going to be you for any reason don't give people a reason to switch it on to you for any reason right like that's that's the number one like you know what i'm saying but i could see in her mind how telling Jawan that I wouldn't foresee that getting back to Sophie It's true But that's the thing

I think in the moment It was probably a quick decision She knew she wanted to work with Jawan It probably didn't carry that much weight I mean that sort of stuff happens all the time Where someone kind of tipped someone off And that's how you build some trust But I agree with Rome here of like

It's a smaller tribe There's a better chance it's going to be you And now you've been presented with this option where, okay, it's either we pull off a blunts out on Rizzo or Sophie goes home and kind of disseminating that information could jeopardize that and really isn't going to alter the outcome at all. Like, it really just kind of lessens your agency in the situation by telling someone. And that's the issue. Like, I don't, yeah, that's the thing.

It happens a lot where someone's like tips someone off and that's how you build trust down the line, which is fair. But I think given this information, like you both said, it's like, okay, it was going to be Rizzo or Sophie, and now you're introducing an option where it could be you in a small group. But again, unlike Jack who tells white lies, right? I found Sophie's defense to be so interesting when she's talking to Joanne and she's like, listen,

when I'm talking to you, straight facts. Like, I'm not lying. I'm not BSing you. But in my mind, I'm like, in my job, I'm believing her because on my rewatch, I'm like, okay, this is. This is compelling. But then I'm like, well, what are you doing when you're not talking to me?

Right? Like, I don't know. Like, but, but I also thought that that was some real shit, right? Where it's like, when I'm talking to you, I'm talking to you. And so I almost kind of sort of feel like she sort of was saying, just talk to me. You know, because like, you know when you're out there at Rome, like, it's like, it's kind of like that Boston vibe mentality. Maybe I'm reading too much into it where it's like,

hey, me and you are locked in and so we don't need to talk to anybody else. So like, just talk to me or make sure that you're not talking to anybody else and we're good. But I also was just like, Sophie, how are you telling Joe? Like, you just got caught in a lie

saying that you was going to throw him under the bus. Now you're telling him, listen, when I'm talking to you, I'm not BS to you. I'm like, but I'm like, is that one of the cases where it's like two things can be true? Or is that like, because what would you do

if somebody said that to you? it would be tough in this situation because you need to play it cool because it's such a tight-knit group. Like at the time, they still thought it was a five-person tribal, right? At the time, those were before Savannah pulled up. So if I'm thinking it's a five-person tribal, there's three Uli's, two Hinas. I still want to hopefully work with the two Uli's. You know what I'm saying? Like on this vote, I would rather do that than try to jump ship and make friends with both of the Hinas.

and do another flip, you know? The only thing that I'm thinking of, though, is that Joanne already flipped on the old Uli's by vote now Nate. So maybe he could have worked with the Hinas in a five-person vote. But the second Savannah showed up, all that was out the window. Like I said, the second Savannah showed up, there was just way too much weighted on the Uli side,

and it just became between MC and Sophie. And that's why they both said it. They knew it. They're like, look, it's between me and her tonight, Jeff. And so that's why I think if you know that it's between you or her, and they know that neither one of you guys have an idol, they're going to stack the votes on you. They're not going to bank on a shot in the dark hitting.

They're going to just stack the votes. That's why I think they both should have just played their shot in the darks. Even if you know it's going to be both of you guys, announce that you're both playing your shot in the darks. Be like, look, y'all better get it right because we got a two and six chance, essentially, of hitting a shot in the dark right now. And you know what I'm saying, between two of us,

and y'all might get it wrong. And then who's going to be the spare vote now? Come up with a decoy just in case, you know? what I'm saying? Like, you can kind of, I don't know. Like, you might be able to just at least have more leverage just using your shot in the dark. But it didn't get mentioned.

So, like, it didn't get mentioned. So I don't know why, but it didn't get mentioned. It's a little, it isn't kind of interesting. Because if I'm in Joanne's shoes looking at Sophie, it's weird. Because to me, it's not like an egregious breach of trust. Like, I can't really fault her for volunteering to be the decoy. And then it's like, okay. just for the sake of self-survival

and not to betray you but I'm just going to throw a vote on somebody and it's like it's understandable and she kind of came clean about it now but in Joanne's shoes too it's like well okay if I'm your alternative

you know she's close with MC she's probably closer with Sage like I don't think that means she doesn't want to work with him but it's I then see why it's like okay maybe this isn't my ideal I mean granted he ends up keeping or being a vote to keeper.

The only thing is I think that even with this whole Rizzo plan and like how it falls apart, I do think there's a world where for Sage and Jawan, even without like Rizzo, like with you know, all these other factors, maybe just for the sake of like keeping the numbers kind of balanced

and keeping your options open, voting out an MC or a Sophie just like is better. You know, even though you just worked with them, now you still kind of like re um renew these uly relationships a little bit and you take out a hina number whereas if you take out rizzo okay there's like savannah and sophy that's like a really no idol and that's a really small group that's probably going to be able to work their way back into the game and then all these hinas now just like have good numbers i think the ideal thing for them

and this could have been complicated so it's like i see why maybe they just opted for like the safer solid route of taking out the way I would stack these options I think the best thing is you vote for Rizzo but you can get him to play his idol and one of them goes home so now the idol's flushed but that Savannah

Rizzo Sophie group is still a big target with no idol and then I would say you'd rather just take out a Sophie or an MC which is what they did and Rizzo keeps his idol but still a target and then I think the worst option is I think blindsiting Rizzo with the Idol is actually the worst option

because like I said now Savannah and Sophie they've really been like had their assets mitigated like they have no Rizzo they really don't have any numbers and they're both social players

and then yeah the Hina numbers are still strong I think that actually puts them in like the worst position so I can see why they want the safer route because obviously the best option of getting Rizzo to play as idol and then sending one of them up. That's a little difficult.

That's a little hard to execute. So I can see why this safer option of getting out like a, just like a Sophie or MCs might have been just like the best solid move, right? I don't know. Do you guys, do you guys feel like those options were tiered in the correct way?

Because I feel like why aren't we at least trying to flush Rizzo's Idol out? Like I feel like that should have been and again, this is three episodes in where nobody is listening to say, Three-time Sage has been, in my opinion, she's been like, we need to get Savannah out. We need to get Rizzo out.

Like, she's been, we need to get Shannon out. Like, she's had, she's a good post on what needs to happen. And so I think my mind would have been, okay, not even trying to get Rizzle out. It's just I want a little pressure, just a little pressure for him to at least be tempted to play his idol. Because it seemed like from every confessional, he was good. like he didn't there was just no pressure on him for that and I've been saying the last couple of episodes like I've been waiting to meet the Riz God I feel like we've only met Riz and so I feel like we're starting to see we're starting to see a little bit of the Riz God because the way he navigated this I was like okay Riz God I'm seeing what's up because your confidence your connections came through I'm like I'm starting to see this this beast of a player so he hit the nail on the head being like how was he the target with an idol

and now he's the one running this vote like it really shouldn't have been that way I don't feel like Rizzo should get the credit for this vote I feel like Savannah should get the credit for this vote she pulled up like on her white horse and you know

She was safe like Rizzo and before she even got there Rizzo had them I mean to be fair it maybe it was more of them imploding a little bit themselves but Rizzo had a lot of sway when he should have been the target on paper. Her being safe allowed Rizzo to be more confident that not only could I play my vote and be safe, but also I have a second vote in Savannah with me

with an extra vote. So we have three potential votes. Like that's, like if they thought that the vote might go any other way, they could just play that extra vote. And that's three out of the potential. Well, it wasn't an extra vote this tribal. It was just one vote, but she could bank it to be an extra vote in the future. So they only have the two votes between them. Well, that's, well, either way. Okay, so a sixth vote.

Still, I maintain, like, as soon as Savannah pulls up, it's like a shield that, yeah. It's like an extra vote for Rizzo. So he's got an extra vote and an idol. That's essentially what Rizzo had when Savannah pulled up. It went from Rizzo being a potential, do you got to play it? Do you not? To when Savannah pulled up, it was no question. And then, of course, Sophie was like, Jeff, it's between me or MC tonight.

At that point, if I'm Rizzo, I'm like, all right, I'm chilling. I don't got to do nothing, but write down the name. I'm chilling. Like, I'll just, you know, any mini-money-mo at this point. That's why it's like, I really think if they could have all just, like, if MC hadn't broken that trust and they could all just buy into that plan and even really just play up, like, it's me or MC tonight, like really play that up. This is still would have been comfortable and it would have worked. This is also. Even if that would work, like I said, I don't know if that's what Joanne and Sage should have actually wanted to do.

This is also why you don't play your idol until you could potentially go home. because if MC still had her idol I feel like if you get a win that you're in danger or a whiff that you're in danger you'd know it she got no whiff last episode that she was in danger the only thing that she knew was that Savannah knew that she potentially had one so that other people knew about it

that was the only reason that she played the idol she thought she was in the majority she thought she was good to go the vote wouldn't have bounced back on her if it did bounce back and she still played her idol in my opinion it's easy to set and I was surprised by how much backlash she caught this episode

for playing the idol but to me i still agree it's like that was her first time voted she's ever voted with anybody right at all i mean like rome in your season if you had an idol at the merge and you you didn't know where people stood like oh i would have played it that night for sure like that yeah you had a little bit more heat but yeah i got i got a nice whiff when i sat in jeffsy like to me if i were i don't if i'm one of the other people i'm like i don't know if that pisses me I'm not mad at MC for playing it. Now, maybe it shows a little bit that she didn't have full 100% confidence, but, like, it's survivor.

Like, we're, it's, I can't believe 100% trusting me who I just met. That was a tribe with 11 people there. That was a tribal with 11 or 10 people there. She didn't, there was no, like, in my opinion, you have a full-blown idol. It's not like this idol's good for one time. Like, it's about to expire. This is a full-blown idol.

But after, after that interaction with, Savannah, knowing who Savannah is, and her connections, that wouldn't have worried you? No, because based off how Savannah's interacting with everyone right now, who else is going to just jump on Savannah's bandwagon and vote the way that she wants to? But I could still be worried that, I don't know, like, but at the same time, you know, obviously hindsight 2020 because of how it worked out this episode, but I'm also, if I'm MC and I don't know, maybe I don't know they're going to split the tribes up or that I'm going to be on this, in this group, and I just think we're at a regular.

merge for the rest of the way MC at the final 10 with an idol might still become a target because she has this idol whereas once she plays the idol it's sort of like I don't think if they were still at if it was a normal final 10 vote I don't think

MC's going to be the target so but Rizzo also has an idol like it's not like there's no idols in the game other than hers like Rizzo had an idol he was in the same situation and it was a target now I think that's why the this split.

If this was a final 10 vote with everyone, I think Rizzo and Savannah are in tons of trouble, partly because Rizzo has his idol. But say Rizzo didn't even have an idol, and this is the breakdown of the tribe, do we still think that, I still think they would have targeted Rizzo? I agree. Okay. Yeah. But that, I guess this is a great segue to, like, then this tribal.

split up. That obviously threw a wrench in a lot of things. And I feel like had this had not happened, MC probably would still be in the game. But what do you guys think, and they did it a little differently this season, but what do you guys think about, you know, breaking these tribes into two groups? What do you guys think about this twist in general? I hate it. I mean, we're back to 15 people in three tribes, in my opinion. Like, there's no difference than, like, literally, like, I was so confused because I was waiting for drop your buffs. and then I realized you already gave them merge buffs. Like you can't re-give out merge buffs

and switch up the merge colors. So like, you know, like we can't drop the buffs. So get on the bandanas, you know what I'm saying? Put on the little bandanas, little bowtas, you know, and make it work. Because like I was so confused by this, but also it's like I understand that with Jake going home and, you know, with essentially two people going home

in one episode, it threw off the timeline of things a little bit. So I get having to get a little wonky But I don't feel like Like I feel like once they merged in this season Let them play like let them play as a merged group And let the chips fall Because in my opinion like you said I think Rizzo or Savannah would have went home

Almost guaranteed this episode Or at least would have been the target Savannah still would have won individual immunity Rizzo would have still had his idol So granted he could have been a target But he would have known to play it probably So he probably would have played it So I don't know like it's it's a bunch of what ifs

Right we're sitting here playing a bunch of what ifs at the end of the day, but like, but I just, I just think that as a whole, Rizzo didn't really have that much agency until Savannah pulled up. But I agree with Bryce. I really don't like this twist.

And I think of like the new error or whatever, this tribal did end up being pretty interesting. But as soon as they announced a twist, I was, I'm a mad, and like, like, why half the people not vote, not even being there is just, you're taking away from people to,

build a resume to make moves, to build connections, like just could kind of increase the state of the game. And I was immediately envisioning, you know, Final 10, there could be a really interesting dynamic here where Rizzo's got his idol and Savannah's like clawing tooth and nail to stay in the game. And Rizzo's maybe bluffing using his idol on her. And so if he's got the knowledge of power and maybe this like creates a whole new

dynamic that blows the game wide open. Yeah. And instead we just have. half the tribe voting. And along old tribal lines kind of. And the other thing is, like, I think we're all, all the people that obviously know who's on 50, we're sitting here waiting for, you know,

the reason that these people, you know, got to try on. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, we're waiting on, like, the reason. So, because, like, a lot of people have said, hey, like, Bristow ain't really been this big character that we thought he was going to be so far, like, you know, things like that. And so, like, people are kind of waiting on this gigantic move

that potentially might happen. It hasn't really happened yet. This episode wasn't really that great, in my opinion. Like, he was on the right side of the vote. But like, like I said, I don't feel like he had that much agency until Savannah showed up immune with a vote. And, you know what I'm saying, potential to. And given that knowledge, too, obviously,

it's kind of an alternative timeline for the final 10, but knowing Rizzo and Savannah are on the bottom and knowing that they end up. on 50 I was like this could be a tribal council with some fireworks obviously it might all ended up different because that's just not there was no final 10 tribal um maybe Rizzo would have gone home and he wouldn't have been on 50 um but I wanted to see them play from the bottom because we know that there's some dogs uh and instead it's like okay now half the tribe at a very critical part of the game like a lot of the most interesting votes are like six seven eight nine 10 that's where people like

lay out the rest of their game and make these big move. I mean, wasn't the Saul vote your season final 10, Rome? That was a great vote with Genevieve, Blonde siding Saul. Yeah. We just strip away all this potential and bring it down to like just a smaller thing. Like it's just kind of naturally minimizing it. If Jake wouldn't have went home, do you think we would have had two tribal councils? Yeah, I think so.

And so it's like kind of a schedule thing ultimately, isn't it? right, why they do this. Yeah. But every day we were predicting what was going to happen that day because it's the same schedule for every new air season. So like, you know, when you're on an island with teeny and people that are like super, super fans, like, you're going to, we're going to talk about it.

You know what I'm saying? They're going to talk about like, oh, day seven, the rest day. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't plan on nothing to happen today. But, Bryce, it's a good point because because Jake went home now in Rome, you alluded to this, they could have just. done a normal tribal and they wouldn't have had to worry about like the whole schedule thing.

Yeah. What would you have thought if like both tribes went to tribal council? Still? Yeah. I don't know. I never love the split. I'm honestly glad the split tribes just never that fun. That's the thing. Losing two people would have been worse than losing

one in my opinion. Christina has an idol. Sophie, Sofe has a steal of a knowledge's power that she doesn't know Christina has an idol. Maybe. but she didn't tell anyone that she has knowledge as power

and that's kind of the issue is if you only know what you know so you got to know about the idols so you kind of got to tell people that maybe know about the idols and where they're at hey I got knowledge as power so that oh we could use that

because Christina got an idol she just told me we found it with her now I do love the way that Sophie is handling her knowledge as power though because I feel like in every season prior to this they've talked about knowledge as power so I'm so shocked that we haven't even

seen someone like speculating about the knowledge is power. So I think that that is somewhat interesting, but I mean, you need to know where the bodies are laid if you're going to be able to dig them up. I like that so's keeping it secret because Rome, it's up, there is a point, like maybe someone knowing you have it

makes them more inclined to give you that intel, but also them knowing you have it. Like, I think her allies are going to tell her about the whereabouts of idols they know about anyways. And then so that someone knowing about that, it's just going to get out. Every time it gets out, it just becomes a disaster.

Right. Can we talk about, I guess, you brought it. You know what's crazy? Like, granted, assuming that there's not going to be any more split tribal, just assuming, right? Christina, if she, like, whether she wins or gets voted out at any point is a juror at every point, she will show up to seven tribal councils. That's it. If she makes it, like, the rest of the game, she's a juror, she's only going to be there for seven tribal councils as a whole. That's it.

she's only been to one so far and now we're at the final nine and if you count the final four which is a fire making then she'll be at six. Exactly. Yeah, technically so she would have went to six voting tribal councils if she makes it to the very end, right?

That to me is why that is, it's a survivor dream, right? If you're a player you're like, hey, I didn't have to vote much. I only had to vote six times and how many times has Sophie B been to tribal? Has she been She's been to seven already.

That is crazy. So she already been to tribal more than Christina could possibly go in the whole season. So that's why, like, I don't know, with this whole, all these switches and the merge being a fake merge and then another split, like it just makes certain people just not have to play the game. So like we saw Christina find an idol and we didn't see Christina on our screen again the rest of the episode because it didn't matter at all. No one finding an idol at the final 10 shouldn't matter in my opinion. That should matter for the, for tonight. That's the thing, yeah, it's a great point. And that's, to me, the biggest gripe is not only like bringing the group of 10 to 5 and minimizing

the scale of it, it's also those other four, four or five players, if you include Savannah, that we don't see their strategy at all. They don't have to do anything. And that's a really big opportunity where people could build a resume and you just completely remove that. And this is the thing, right? if you look at the history of just the winners in general, right? They haven't exactly come from tribes that are running it down.

You know what I'm saying? Like unless there's a swap, like on Kyle's season, right? Like when Kyle won, there was a swap and then things went a little bit left. But before that, if you look at 47, right, Rachel's tribe lost twice. She went to tribal twice early, right? She got a little bit of clout under her belt tribal-wise. Then you go to 46, Kenzie. She went like, what, four times pre-merge.

She got that under her belt. You have to have somewhat of a resume when you're sitting at the end in order to be able to talk, right? We look at 45D. I think she did really, really well up until the merge, right? So that's a situation where she kind of had to do a lot post-merge to get that resume, which is what she ended up doing. 44, Jam-Jam.

He went to tribal a lot. You know what I'm saying? So these people are getting resumes unless you have a spectacular post-merge, you usually at least went to tribal pre-merge like a couple times. You know, since you can talk about. Whereas, yeah, like you said, now for like a Christina, she might get to the end against, um, Rizzo or whatever. And they say, what was the final 10 tribal?

I did this, this, and nine because he was like, well, I was even, I was even there. I didn't get to do it. And they sit here and say, all right, Christina, what big, what moves have you done to get here? And she could be like, well, I didn't really have to start playing until final nine. But, you know, like, after that, I did this, this and this. And these four votes, I should win.

Like, that's not going to work. Well, I mean, some percent, you could ask Chris Underwood because it kind of feels like almost a Chris Underwood-esque. Well, yeah, but that's not the standard of game you want to, not even a knock on Chris, but you don't, that's not the position you want to necessarily be it. That's not going to be the strongest winning pitch, I feel like. Chris Tuna could make it to fire. She could. And that's not enough. Yeah, that's the thing.

It's like you almost want to go a couple times pre-merge, but even still, if you make it to the merge without going, it's just, I don't know. Like, you want to win immunity, but. I think that's the thing. In the moment, none of these players are going to be like, I'm going to throw this so that we can go to, you know, but just put everybody there. I'm losing the day. And not that it's that big of a point,

but if now your safety is determined just by someone else on your tribe winning who was randomly assigned to your group, like that, I feel like that's, I mean, that's how it goes sometimes, but kind of random too. like Christina is safe because Savannah won but they because she could have I don't know

that's just like a random thing now if it's a whole team wins or the whole team loses I like that I don't know I like that a little bit more I feel like but if you if everyone's sitting on the bench watching Savannah and Sophie go out of it it's like well we could have easily been on the other side of the bench and just got a different circumstance I love when Savannah got off

and she was like I was thinking about all of y'all That's what made me win. Like, I love just, I love just Savannah's riz that she puts on. Can we two seconds talk about Sophie, not Sophie B, but the other Sophie? We haven't seen a lot of Sophie. And I felt like this episode, we got to actually see Sophie. She was phone. Like, I was like, well, okay, Sophie.

Like, Sophie, don't get it confused. She clearly almost won this challenge. She won last challenge. and the girl can pivot she's got brains like I was like oh wow like why haven't we seen it she's she's funny too like her comment at tribal about like I feel like I'm waiting to pick up from school but oh mom's yeah she's funny like she's and she go I think a big reason maybe why they edit her down a little bit is because of those some of those comments that are a little bit sarcastic or like cynical of like oh fruit like that's diet food um which production probably

they didn't appreciate, but like as the audience, I think it's really fun. So I'm hoping we get, yeah, exactly. I'm with you. I hope we get to see some more. So I thought she was going to go home because you haven't seen her at all. But now, I'm hoping maybe we see a little bit, but she's funny. She's entertaining. She's a good confessionalist, like, and she's playing the game hard. So, yeah,

I wish we saw a little bit more of her. Yeah. And just another little dope. I've been loving Sage and I've been saying this since episode three. I feel like Sage is going to the end. She's going to be final three. And I love the fact that we even see it from Savannah this episode talking about how Savannah's like

everyone goes to Sage like I love how Sage waited she didn't jump on people she kind of made these natural connections and I love how it is absolutely paying off for Sage I just am curious as to

to know what Sage is in her mind where her end game is because we see that conversation with her and Savannah and it seems pretty genuine where they're like what's y'all doing today?

Because I don't know what I'm doing. And it's like just an interesting opportunity to see what Sage could do. Because clearly she's another one that has it in her that didn't necessarily have the opportunity in the beginning. But now clearly is running-ish. And it makes me nervous because we've seen Sage play from the bottom. Now she's playing at the top. And I feel like when you're playing at the top, there's more chances of error or people to come at you. yeah speaking of savanna what did you guys i feel like i've seen a lot of mixed opinions on her

sort of backstory bundle that we got um and her now being on the bottom and her kind of emotional reaction of that what do you guys think about that because we've seen a lot of nuance i think in savanna's characters some ups and some downs and some villainous moments but also some touching moments i think the show did a good job of doing it at the right time Right? Like they showed Sage literally call her a mean girl. And then in the next scene, they show Savannah showing, you know, her backstory and things like that. And this isn't just like any other backstory. This is like kind of like a big one. You know, this is one that like affected her physically, all that stuff. So like it's a big deal, you know. And so even though Stephen, it seemed like he was just one in one ear out the other, he was just sitting there, you know, listening to the words. What she was saying seriously did have significance to the episode, you know, and to the show clearly. because right after that, we go to commercial, we come back and we're at the immunity challenge where she has this triumphant moment.

So clearly, and I said this on my podcast, on the previous immunity challenge, the individual immunity, when Sophie, yellow Sophie won, we felt no emotion toward her winning. There was no emotional attachment to the person winning individual me. It was just like, oh, Sophie won.

Because we don't know who Sophie is yet. When Savannah won in this episode, we all felt something. Why? Because we know what this girl's been through. We know what she's thinking. We know how she feels about her situation in the game right now. We know all the details. So when she's crying, we understand why. There's nothing holding us back. So we know so much about Savannah. And the show did such a good job of building up this moment, putting that at the perfect time, making sure that even if she's portrayed as being, you know, this super aggressive player that snatching keys and, you know what I'm saying, doing all these things that she still has this other side to her and that she still has this other side to her and that she's, she can be a quote unquote hero right and so we've seen this before with parvety right like we've seen this type of an edit before where you've have a cut throat a cutthroat woman going out there and playing a hard game but it's being portrayed in a positive way still and i think that that is exactly what the show's doing i can i in the words of emily flipping can i push back a little

bit well two things a i love what savannah's been bringing to the season like she is got that poverty energy that is fantastic television and B, this isn't to diminish like the things she went through at her job that she talked about but this is a sentiment I saw a lot online there's been some times where she was icing out

like Joanne and Sage and then also this is her first time being on the bottom and it's like we get this whole sob story I'm like that's how not again the sob story seems, I don't, maybe soft stories, not even, the background seemed very, like, difficult and

sympathetic. I was sympathetic to it. But I'm like, girl, you were on the bottom for one vote. And you've been picking on my boy, Jouin. I'm like, I don't know. It's hard to hurry. She wants to get Jowan out of here. First chance she gets all that stuff. That

went out the window all of a sudden. Exactly. Exactly. Two things can be true at the same time. And I think that's what makes her a complex character is a little bit of like that like that up and down and I don't know so I wasn't that's the thing she's it's she's a weird because I don't know if I'm not like rooting for her but I'm not rooting against her and I want her to be in the game just to see what she does but yeah that doesn't necessarily like made me be like oh poor Savannah like she she was out on one vote

and then as soon as she gets safety she's like I'm like the hot grim rebound she's up She's just, like, teasing our job. Going for vengeance immediately, you know. It's so fun to watch, but it was like, I mean, I meet this because maybe I'm just a Jowong fan. I'm like, you've been picking on my boy the whole time. But sometimes when reality hits you, it hits you fan. No, that's right?

So it's like, and again, even to the people or to the people that feel that way, I also feel like, kudos to her, though, right? Like, because it's like to be that dynamic, to be able to go there when you need to go there, like you have lived experience. And so to be able to go there, I don't know, says something like you really are a savage. Like you're a savage that's been through some stuff. And I kind of respect it a little bit because sometimes you need a good story to go with a thing. And so like to be able to pull that up into, you know, how they say acting classes, like, you know, you got to if you pull from some work. Right, you know, you've got to pull from past experiences.

So I, I'm definitely not mad. Now, no, it's no, I'm, no shit. I'm curious to hear the other side of the story from her coworker, you know. I got it, you know, but also, I saw a funny comment be like, imagine being one of her old coworkers be like, yeah, you used to work with her. Like, you were watching the episode, like having a watch party with the office. And it's like, oh. Oh, you were talking about her that way?

Oh, okay. Yeah, that could definitely have an impact. But I mean, hey, that's why you don't treat people like garbage, you know what I'm saying? Right. Because at the end of the day, you never know when it can come back to bite you. You know, it's as simple as that. Everybody that go up the ladder, got to come back down the ladder. Yeah, I think the journalism world can be very cut throughout.

Absolutely. And I could absolutely see that story. imagining like you've been at the office or just even like a promotion and they hire somebody not in the company from outside the company and joan was supposed to get that well yeah i'm like i'm imagining this is again it's probably it's like no photo savannah i'm imagining like they were best friends with the reporter and they got that got replaced and they're just like damn that's and it's not a reason to take it out on savannah but you're like damn i miss my homie like i i had a moment very similar to this actually Like, it was very similar to this. Thank goodness it wasn't a two-year contract. It was one event. But it was when I went to Saudi Arabia. It was when I went out there to commentate the $2 million Fortnite tournament.

And, you know, I pretty much, I had never commentated Fortnite in my life, right? I had just commentated Rocket League and Call the Duty. And they essentially, someone dropped out and they needed someone to go to Saudi Arabia to do it. And on four days notice, you know, my agency was like, hey, do you want to go to Saudi Arabia in four days? I was like, why not? Let's do it. You know, like, let's do it. I've never commentated before, but I'll do it.

So I learned the game. I learned the meta and the guns and things like that real quick. And then I flew out there and I was commentating with the top FNCS commentators, like the top Fortnite commentators in the world, right? Like that was who I was commentating with. So a lot of people that were in like the B tier and C tier of Fortnite commentary were like, how did this Rocket League and Call the Duty commentator get this spot, you know? And the people that I was commentating with, they, I could tell that,

they were kind of like, okay, I don't think this guy really, like, you know, like, there's probably other people that could have got the call up. But at the end of the day, I knocked it out the park and then guess what, come championship Sunday, the crown prince wants me to commentate the grand finals. So that made those people that have been commentating Fortnite professionally for years feeling type of way. I could feel that energy shift very quickly. You know what I'm saying?

That does happen a lot in the real world, but it's always like, and I've experienced that. different circumstances, but it's always like, what do you want me to do, say no to an opportunity? Exactly. I don't know if I should be here, but I wasn't the one who picked. Exactly. I can understand what you think of me right now, but hey, I'll take it, you know what I? Not an excuse to treat you poorly for sure. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. So I definitely feel for what she's going through. I appreciate her for telling her story and being so open to tell it, because going on Survivor and telling your story to a camera, knowing that potentially millions and millions of people

are going to hear it for decades and decades to come, it's not easy to do, you know? And, I mean, listen, they put certain people on this show for a reason, and Savannah's showing that. And that's why I'm excited to see her on 50. I just feel like she's so, she's so complex. And, you know, whether you're rooting for her or against her, like, a little bit mixed on it, like I am, it's just really fun TV. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure.

Where do we go from here, though? Like, after this vote, how do we feel MC and PAC impacts? the game leaving two tribes four and a half people per tribe yeah yeah i don't know hopefully you know a final nine vote you got i mean obviously the rizzo savannah sophy contingency and then you probably still got like the heena which you're going to be like stephen and christina maybe maybe sophy still in there obviously and then like alice and um sophy b and then Who else? What else we got?

Christina. Christina, Stephen. And Christina has an idol that Stephen and Alex both know about. Right. And the one thing that I will say from Sophie and Alex, I love, like you said before, like going to tribal so many times, it kind of gets a little like a notch under your belt. And we've been seeing Alex work with Christina really closely. But I love even in this episode where he's like, Christina said she played it for me.

I love that, but if I have to use that against her, I will. I'm like, I love their scrappiness. And even Sophie B is like, maybe has my time with Riz and Savannah been an anchor to me? Like, I might have to cut them. And I low-key want to see that. Like, again, I feel like Sophie B breaking away from Savannah and Riz could be a game-winning notch. So, I'll see my comparison, Sophie and Savannah

feel like Kenzie and Tiffany from 46. They feel very similar. Other than them starting on the same tribe, their duo right now feels very similar where they really rock with each other but there might be a reason to go to the other side. And so, you know, like Kenzie,

she got, you know, pretty much beat down in the first few episodes, right? Just the same way that Sophie did and now, you know, she's kind of chilling and letting all the other chaos happen once the merge hit. So I can see, see a lot of similarities not only their edit but their play style and who knows maybe sophy b will be the one sitting there at the end who knows yeah that's a good point i also think like talking about

where we go from here i do think naturally that the sophy b savannah riso group's going to have a target but i also see a lot of potential swings in the middle where you have joan and sage it's like do you do a little bit more with uli or do you flip back you have alex who's i think's really nice spot in the middle who has a relation with sophy with sophy s yellow sophy and I think they can kind of go either way and attach with Sophie B or stay with Hina and it's also like to Sophie B

go with Alex to the other side and I think there's some interest because Joanne and Sage might be like oh let's go back with Hina but then maybe it's like oh well Sophie S and Alex are actually going to go over with Oolie so I think the dynamics will be shifting a lot I think it'll be interesting

and I'm glad hopefully we get a few clean weeks of just like normal votes and I think they'll unfold in a really exciting one. I'm excited to see what happens. I'm excited we were able to break it down this week with Jack and Rome. Before we go, Rome, what are you working on over here?

I hear some rumblings of a party you got cooking. Like, what's the tea with that? Listen, man, this is going to get released in the morning. Pretty sure the flyer's going to be out in the morning. So we'll go ahead and talk about it a little bit. But yes, I'm hosting another watch party, man. We hosted one in Kansas for the premiere earlier this. year and it went awesome we had a bunch of people come out it was in the middle of nowhere but it was

still a great time had a bunch of survivors come out and uh just just have an absolute blast watching the episode and so we're going to be doing it again not in kansas this time we're going to be doing it in phoenix arizona okay so we got a pretty dope lineup that's going to be coming out in phoenix we're going to be right outside of old town scottesdale so if you want to you know go to the watch party and then go have your own little watch party you know you can go ahead and do that okay so it's going to be a great time for sure uh we got philip shepherd coming we got rupert coming oh venus venus coming you know you're watching on traders canada right now um we got uh lauren larin harp coming we got we got jillinsky coming so we got

we got a good uh that's going to be there jillinsky of the year yeah what is that going down room it's going down december 17th i is going down december 17th in phoenix arizona if you want to find the tickets you could just uh go to event bright And search them up. Tickets will be live. And, yeah, we'll also be playing Mafia, aka Traders, with all of the Survivor players for the VIP holders. So if you purchase VIP, you can play Traders with Venus,

who, spoiler alert, if you're not watching Traders Canada, just got recruited as a traitor. So shout out to Venus. So if you want to play the Traders with a trader, you know, then come on to Phoenix. It's going to be a good time for sure. And also, let's not forget, shout up to you guys, because Bryce and Wendell, I don't know if I'm, you want me to talk about it yet?

I don't know. You can't just say what you fly. All right. Bryce and Wendell, man, they host the O finale. You already know that they're going to be doing a couple, man. They got to throw down twice, not just once, twice, man. So shout out to you guys, man, because you guys are putting in an overdrive. You guys are the pioneers that is watch party thing for Survivors.

So, you know, I appreciate all the tips and feedback you guys have been giving me throughout, you know, help me out and getting my watch parties going and stuff. So I seriously appreciate it. And, yeah, seriously, get your tickets. If you've never been to a Bryson Window event, and you're in either of the cities they're hosting it in for this finale, man. Make sure you guys get your tickets.

ASAP, all right. Come on with the plug. We appreciate that. Yes, we'll be at L.A. and in New York for the finale. So tickets are available. But also, like I have to say, when we were in Kansas,

we went to Kansas, the reception that I got from the people that were at your party, like glowing, glowing, glowing reviews. I was like, I know. There was, like, I could not, I was, like, it was so great. and like I had to bend down to talk to Rome

but like it was great other that's foul that's foul I'm like I need to clone myself a few times so I could be in L.A. Phoenix and New York for these finalies how long is this drive but then I'm like oh we got Bryson

went in L.A. though so you do you do can't be in two places make a choice Jack no I'm kidding I'm kidding don't tell a white lie though but listen I might have to be

the Bryson went, just to keep Ozzy and check. He's going to hit you up, and he's going to be like, hey, man, I'll be there soon. You're going to be like, where are you at? He's going to be like, I'm on a call. I'm on a call. Bryson, we're not going to be there either, so. Listen, I never know where I'm going to be, Jack, but no, for Rome's premiere party,

when he dropped Rupert, I definitely was like, Rome, I'm looking at tickets. Don't tell Wendell. But listen, a rising tide raises all ships. And so we love to see and support our friends. this community. That's what it's all about. Bro, we can't thank you enough. Jackery, as always. This has been your Survivor News. Covering Survivor Season 49, Episode 8.

We'll be back covering episode 9. Let's go. I got a call to take, so I'm out. Hey, Gene. Jumping on with us, bro, man. It's always a pleasure. Oh, yeah, of course, man. Love you guys. Love you guys, man. Take it easy. Thanks. I'll see you on the riff, bro. Yes.

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