RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 49 Episode 9 Recap: Kangaroo

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

The baby boys are back this week with all-new Survivor News as Brice, Wendell, Jack, and special guest Austin Li Coon dive into Survivor 49 Episode 9, “If You’re Loyal to All, You’re Loyal to None.” With the merged tribe cracking apart, loyalties twisting, and idols stirring up trouble, the crew breaks down all the episode’s chaos — from shifting alliances and scramble-mode strategy to the moves that shook the beach and the players rewriting their fate. Austin brings sharp, first-hand perspective from his own Survivor journey while Brice, Wendell, and Jack keep the laughs, the insights, and the baby-boy energy flowing.

It's the purple pants, it's a purple pants, it's a purple pants podcast, you better get your headphones and listen up quick. It's a purple pants podcast, you better listen in public might make your stomach hurt. It's the purple pants podcast you're trying to unwind, you better get that box wine. It's a purple pants podcast. You're trying to get your snack. You better hurry right back, though. It's the purple pants. It's the purple pants. Hello, hello, and welcome to the Purple Pants podcast Survivor. News. I serve as your humble and also gracious host, Bryce Isaiah, and I thank you so much for tuning

in to this week's Survivor News Recap. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast, we are available on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, wherever you can find podcast. The Purple Pants Podcasts awaits for you to subscribe. And as always with your Survivor News, you can watch this audio podcast on video. Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel. Click subscribe, give this video a thumbs up, and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's recap. The baby boys are back. Jack Atkins, Wendell Holland, and myself, and we are joined by my man, my man from Survivor, Season 45, Austin Lecun, and we are breaking down episode nine. We're talking about the immunity challenge. We're talking about the majority,

the minority. We're even talking about kangaroos. We're talking about this Rizzo Idol. We're trying to figure out who really is in control here, this and so much more. Let's get into this week's Survivor News. What is going on? Welcome back to your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 49, Episode 9. I'm back not in the 6 or the 8, but the 215. That is Philadelphia. And I'm joined by one of my main mans. You might know him from the floor is lava. He might be calling your phone to be the next extracted. Welcome back to the podcast, Jackery, Actually. What's popping with you? So, man, very excited to talk about this episode. We got a great guest joining us. I had a pleasure of watching this episode last night with this guest.

But I feel like we kept our thoughts to ourselves. So I'm very excited to hear you and their thoughts tonight on this episode. Yeah, you know, I try to keep it respectful, but I can't help but to be a little disrespect. because when it comes to this guest, the britches stay a little well. Welcome back to the podcast, Austin from season 45. My man, my man, my man. How are my gosh?

It has been far too long. As Jack said, we watched the episode a little bit together last night, had a little pregame. So we're ready to come firing together. You know, I'm sure we'll have different takes. but it was a good time. You know, always fun hanging out with Jack. You know, you should come visit us sometimes.

We can bring the whole pod in person over here in L.A. I would love it. See, the problem is, Austin, I'm glad that you said that you watched it with Jack because Jack loves to get on this podcast and be so mysterious about, yeah, I was watching it with my next-door neighbors, and he never likes to say who he was watching it with.

Really? I've never said it. I've said, I've announced the squad. Never. I've definitely. We've watched together 50% of the times. Yeah, it's usually, I feel like I'm either on camera or off camera, but it's usually it's me, Austin, Brando, Jay Maya, who was absent last night, Zach Whartonberger.

Oh. And then. He'll never give us this. That's crazy. What's up, Austin? Hey, what's up? Long time, no see. Long time, no see.

I almost wore the home makeover shirt, but it was a little cold in here, so I had to put on a jacket. Was that the last time I saw you? I don't know, maybe, man. Like a whole, what, year and a half ago. Jeez. Yeah.

It might have been a year and a half ago that we saw Austin, but it was less than a month ago. We saw Mama Lecool in the building in San Diego. True indeed. For San Francisco, right? Oh, San Francisco. San Francisco. Wait, sorry, my Alexa somehow got triggered.

So did I miss what you said? No, Alexa, I'm not talking to you. Stop. Talking to me, back back. I said it might have been a year ago, Austin, that you've seen Wendell, but. But it was less than a month and a half ago. We got to see my forever mother-in-law, Miss Eva and San Francisco. Listen, and she hasn't stopped talking about it.

ever since then. That was her favorite day of the entire year. She loved it. It was so fun. She's so great. She's like, she just comes.

She wears your shirt and she's just so friendly. Yeah. She has more fun with this whole thing than anyone I've ever met. I mean, she has done everything you can possibly do.

She goes to whatever event she can go. She's always wearing that shirt just so that she could like, you know, because like otherwise some people might not recognize her. So then she's like, wouldn't recognize her.

Austin's mom. And then she gets led into, you know, all these different after parties and whatever and hangs out with everybody. And you know what? People are more excited to see her, though, than they are to see me. When we both show up to an event, they, like, go to her. She's taking all pictures of everybody. And then when they're done talking to her, then they'll come to me and talk to me.

But, you know, it's all good. Your mom was going to have a good time when she said, Bryce, there's Jake, take my photo. So I got her camera. I'm getting ready to take the photo. So your mom took her shoe off. I said, okay, Ms. Eva. So, well, it's living her best life. She really is.

As she should. And we're excited to be here to talk Survivor Season 49. Before we get into all of that, I'm back from Denver. Our Bryson Wynn, 49, stop. We had to stop in Denver. Austin, covered your ears for a second. Oh, shit. Okay, all right.

My other man, Ozzy, was in New York City holding it down for us. And they had one heck of a turnout. There was a lot of survivors in the building. Squid Games, 99 to beat. But also just shout out to the Denver crew, the pot, to relay a message, Jack, the Jack Shack said the Jack Shack is still strong. They were wondering where Wendy's was, but the baby boy, myself held it down. So shout out to the Denver listeners.

We appreciate you. And with Denver and New York concluded, we are on the last leg of the Bryson Wynn, tour 49. We've got five more stops left and we're super excited. Next week, we will be in our home city of Philadelphia, not for one night, but for two nights, November 25th.

We're doing a Survivor night with the Philadelphia 76ers. Tyrese has been texting my phone non-stop. He can't wait to see me. So I'm excited. Then we'll be in Philadelphia again the next day for the day before Thanksgiving, which is going to be an epic time at the French bar. And that's not over yet. We'll be in Baltimore, December 3rd, and Baltimore is showing out.

Ozzie will be in Boston, December 10th. And just recently announced, hold on to your britchers. The finale will be in New York. New York City, December 17th, and our good, good girlfriend. Tiffany and Ozzy are holding it down on the West Coast for us. So tickets are available. The season 49 is ending, but Bryson Wynn, 49, is ending with a bang. So we hope to see everyone there.

Y'all have really stepped up the poster art. Those look fresh. Those are real cool. Thank you. Shout out to our good friend, Tricky. He's our graphic designer. he's he's very talented we're very lucky to have him yes we are super excited now let's get into this episode now austin i haven't seen you or talked to you in a while what should like

give us i mean we know you see jack even though jack don't like to say he see you jack say he watched with his friends that was the first time in a while that we all got together so often is that true i maybe like what three weeks or something which is this to watch probably like a month, I would say. Wow. Yeah. I don't even remember, man. Too forgettable.

Movie? No, it's been sad. It's been sad. It was good to get everyone together again. It's really felt like, you know, we have this, like, nice little community here that we all hang out with, watch the show. You know, we actually listen and pay attention, but then we, like, you know, talk through the, through each, each ad.

It's like a perfect vibe, you know. It's great. So hopefully we can keep it going. When the seasons aren't going, it sucks because we're just like all lonely. We don't see each other as much. It's true. That's how I feel with the podcast, too. I don't see the baby boys.

But Bryce, guess we had a special guest last night at our watch party. And it wasn't, it wasn't Ozzy. Okay. It wasn't Ken McClintys. You know, the man himself, Joanne Pitts, the building oh joan joan and honestly after the fact we we had a great time watching i thought it was a fun episode for him and after the fact i go online and i see joan and sage are catching a lot of heat and so this just know now am i a little bit biased absolutely but this podcast i'm

going to come correct and you know set the record straight for my guy joan so i'm going to throw that out there. Well, I'm a Jawan fan, but I might got some strays for him this episode because I do got to, I'm, I was talking to Wendell earlier and I was like, I can't wait to talk to Jack because I got to ask you so many questions about how this episode went down because, you know, Austin might have played Survivor, Wendell might have played Survivor.

I was in the Philippines, but Jack knows it all about Survivor. But before begin to that. Austin, what's your thoughts on this season? Like, what do you think about this? I'm sorry, we got to, we have these new rules, Austin. So when we raise our hands now? Okay. See, see, they talk so much that I have to, I have to let it be known. We usually have these other nonverbal cues, but we had to take it back to second grade.

Austin, you might have said this. I know I was a little party for the pod. This purple backdrop of yours. Is this for Bryce? Duh. Yeah, the Purple Pants podcast, of course. I love it. I love it. I just noticed, you know.

Yeah. Yeah, I got these like the Govi lights or something so I control it on my phone. I can change the color. I picked purple specifically. So, you know, I had to give it to y'all. I had to give Wendell some help with this setup. Wendell got Jack internet today.

A little bit. Now, Austin, what you think about this season? thus far we haven't talked to you all season yeah no i mean it's it's definitely picking up right now obviously the first half there were some slower episodes you had some really cool moments i mean like the whole you know when my my mom came for for the bryson wine event that was the whole jake boot that was a crazy episode um but now it's starting to pick up and it's like there there's so many things that could happen and i think every episode i go and being like this is the one where this person goes it's not or like you know i feel like it's it's much more open

now where I have no idea how we're going to get to the end. So I'm excited that the trailer for like next week's episode looks pretty intense. So I'm excited. I think we're getting into the real meat of the season. So, yeah, your internet broke up, Austin. We getting into what? The real juicy meat of the season. Okay.

Okay. Sorry. I will say, though, you know, like Jack said, Joanne came, and it was awesome watching with him. And maybe we'll talk about it a little bit later. But, you know, he got his little backstory. I started sweating that we were witnessing his boot episode with him. And I didn't know how I was going to react to that if that were the case.

But we're safe from that. Anyways, another time. Well, Jack, where are we going today? Lift off. man, I guess, I feel like lately we jump around a little bit more, but what better place to start with this one? I think right from up top, when they get back from this split tribal,

we get a pretty interesting from a strategic and social standpoint, but also it was kind of a funny moment where the group that did not go to tribal is like, oh, we thought it was going to be Sophie. Oh, you didn't flush Rizzo's idol? You all like, why Sophie here? And so he's like, excuse me. It was kind of a wake-up call for her in a little bit. And you could kind of sense the tension was palpable.

You know, she asked a question. Everyone just kind of sat there like, and then Joanne was actually the one to speak up and be like, sorry about that. But what did you guys think about this coming back to Kant? For me, it's so much, it's not so much what was said. It was what was not said. It was literally like they saw a ghost. Sophie walked back in and Christina, Alex, even I think Sophie B, they all were like,

oh, like they didn't know what to say. And that was kind of crazy. And that's one of the moments of Survivor that I really like where that's clearly horrible gameplay, which will lead me to believe that because so many of them had that face and didn't know what to say that that was a real moment. They didn't know how to react in that moment. And so I kind of always love to see those type

of moments because for everyone that's watching, yeah, you could say what you would have done Monday morning quarterbacking but when you are dead sleep on the island and somebody who you thought was going to be voted out comes back and the Riz guy

comes back with his idol. It definitely is one of those like WTF moments. What is going on? yeah yeah and i think uh kyle said it in 48 that survivor is one in the margins and i feel like that's one of those moves those little tiny moves you react to that better you you make sophy feel like oh this person's actually upset that like or like not upset happy then i'm back and you know wasn't gunning for me or whatever you know just a little tiny moves that you can do like in those moments really go a long way and they add up and add up and add up like someone could have

gotten a whole new ally out of that but instead she was like oh they hate me i'm I'm done. True. A big part of this episode, now mind you, y'all know I love everybody, but hero Survivor News, I got to keep a real, right?

Where I feel like the majority and the minority are very interesting. And I almost feel like the response from the majority was very telling, right? Like it's almost as if, like, we're in the majority

and like, you're like, this isn't what's supposed to happen. And that allows the pendulum to kind of swing a little bit, where in the moment, it's like, pick your face up and be like, Sophie, welcome back, where it almost is like when you get comfortable, because that's a comfortable move. That's like, I'm having a houseworm a party,

and I invite Wendell and Jack and Austin walk into my house, and I'm like, and Bryce just walks his pants. But I'm just like, hey, Austin. And Austin's like, hey, Austin's like, hey. Hey, Brian. Thank you for coming. Like, it's just, you know, like, you got to be a little more hospitable.

Yeah. I mean, that's true. Like, once the situation is the situation, an MC is gone or Austin's at your house, there's no changing it. You know, you can more, it's, you could privately mourn that MC went at home, but complaining about it,

you're not going to improve your relationship with, her so and also it was funny like the whole storyline last episode going in to travel was like Rizzo was the target Rizzo has an idol yet they get back to camp and it's sort of like oh Rizzo didn't play his idol but like why is Sophie here and that was like the main thing it's like damn you're more worried about Sophie being there than Rizzo staying with his idol um so I totally see why that altered Sophie's perspective on where she's at in the game I also like though random thought of a random thought normally a survivor you know after you get a reward. You come back and it's daylight. I kind of like the fact that they were sleeping when

they came back. I feel like you got a little bit more of this authentic reaction, which is why it was so jarring. And I'd love to see more of that. Keep them separate. Wake us up with the news because I feel like, again, that was just so telling. And I thought it had a lot to do with them being just woken up and to the news of like, hey, what's up? M. Sof. Sof. So see. I'm like, you know, like, they were literally like, are we seeing a ghost? Yeah, I think that, I think that contributed. You're sleeping, you know? When it gets dark out, you lay down and go to sleep on the island.

When it gets dark out, they go to tribal. So they're coming back a few hours into your sleep or whatever it is, and you're startled and you see a ghost, essentially. Bad gameplay, like, you got to tighten up. You got to, you got to know, you got to control your faces. you've got to control your responses. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, I like it. Good call, so, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, now we got some dynamics shifting. Sophie's more of a free agent. The numbers are a little bit more even with only nine left. We get into a reward challenge, kind of a, just a straight up reward. First one we've had in a while.

Schoolyard pick. I don't know if you guys saw, but they released an edited version of the school yard pick as like a secret scene. So that was kind of interesting. Sophie B. does not get picked. Christina and Rizzo were captains. And something from the secret scene that I think stood out was Rizzo picked Jawan first because he was like, I know my man, Jawan hasn't won a reward yet.

And so I'm feeling good today. I'm feeling like we got this. I'm going to pick Joanne and make sure that we can win a reward together so we can get one. Obviously that group doesn't ultimately win. But then we see Christina giving up her spot for Joanne. Joanne's a little bit hesitant to take it. And sort of that storyline unfolds. So what stood out to you guys about whether it's the schoolyard pick or like Christina

swapping with Joanne? Like how did that play for all you guys? You want to know what really stood out for me. Yeah. Well, Uncle Jay's like, we got fried chicken. Why are you looking directly at Christina? Okay. Why?

Why are you looking at the black people, Uncle Jason? Fried chicken. Did he hire? But we got some cornbread. I thought it was a very endearing move of Christina to offer her reward to Joanne. I definitely thought it was the mothering instinct of her. And I also love a part of the 90 minutes.

I think Joanne has talked about being this paternal provider for his younger siblings. And like we get to see him talking about this again, how he always has to be the provider. And it just was like a real humanizing moment where you're just so prideful that you don't want to let anyone in. And I thought it was like just so great

when everyone was like, no, take it, take it, take it. Like you deserve it, you deserve it. You've been opening up the coconuts. You've been doing everything that you can do for everyone out there. I thought it was a really great moment. And the back of my mind, I'm like, Christina, what are you doing?

Right? Like, because I think those moments oftentimes you mean well, but at the same time, if I'm out there, I'm like, you trying to gain votes for a million dollars or like, you know what I mean? You're playing towards the jury now at some point. So I thought about that a little bit, but I also thought it was a very genuine moment, what y'all think. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think if anyone but Christina did that move, it would have come across. It's sketchy. it would have backfired right away.

I think Christina really gives off like motherly trying to help someone who needed the help. It sounds like I listened to Alex's exit interview. He was like, oh, yeah, that was totally like a nice thing. It wasn't strategic. So I think out there on the island, people already saw her in that way. So it worked. And then, you know, with the secret scene where they're doing the schoolyard pick, Rizzo, you know, makes the pick of Joanne first.

And it's like, oh, yeah, he hasn't eaten. I'm feeling good. I can bring him the win. I want this to have. And so it sounded like something that was going around. Like everyone was thinking of Joanne. So I think all that mixed together made it like not a horrible move for her. But I also was like, holy, like what are you doing?

Like even if you want to give it, just, you know, maybe save some food in like the back of your mouth and spit it out for him later. You know, like don't like, don't trade. That normally would sound a little disgust in Austin. But if you got some left. over save them for me okay yeah it was interesting too like Christina on Christina's end like the game of it all but then

for Jelan we see him reacting both kind of taking it into consideration from maybe a game standpoint but then also like his some combination of like his pride but also his humility of being like no I don't I don't want it I want to earn it

which I thought was very commendable and then it's also like once christina's offered it the game of the game element of it is kind of already happened like even if you say no people are still going to think oh maybe christina you know did this for whatever reason whether or not you take it so and i like that once people really push for him to take it and that's clearly everyone everyone wants it and it's genuine to be like okay like i'll do it i'll go have some um so i thought joan handled it very well and yeah i agree i think it seemed very like sincere from christina a man's pride can get in the way of things

And I agree. I think, you know, for them to kind of as a unit saying, I go ahead and do it, he kind of like came around. He was like, okay, it was good to see. I also thought it was interesting when we oftentimes in the beginning, we see Joanne and he's taking people's water bottles. He's like, we hear all of these like, oh, I need to vote Joanne out. He's putting sticks in a book bag when there's a mountain of sticks right there.

I thought it was interesting to hear these other people's perspective of Jowan, like what you're saying with Rizzo and that schoolyard pick, with Christina saying like, you need to eat. And even with Jowan being showing that humility, I'm like, this. Okay, Jowan.

Like, clearly there's more of Jowan that we're not seeing. And say Jowan is at the end, right? Like I'm hearing these winter pitches of like he's cracking open coconuts to everybody. He's being a provider for everyone. That's enough. added to your resume, put a bow on it, that could be a million dollar, a million dollar kernel recipe.

Is it? I mean, not to say that Jawan doesn't have winner prospects. I just don't feel like, especially these days, whether it's so, the jury's so game focused, that people are going to be like,

oh, well, you were cracking open coconuts from me. So obviously that helps your social game. Is that not in the game, no? it helps your well you know what i mean like game as in like the strategy of it um obviously that helps your social game to some extent but i don't think that's going to be like the tipping point of like joan you open a coconut from me um maybe if it was andy and you got some love for for cracking a coconut it would be different but um that's not to say i don't think joan has a shot but i think it's going to become more from his game than than people just being like you were a provider because I feel like nowadays that people don't, it helps your social game and maybe that puts you in good social standing, which helps. But I think like the actual providing

element of it, maybe not as much of a factor, but I don't know, I've never been on the jury. So no, but I'm saying just adding that to his resume of the things that he's already doing could boost up a vote or two. Well,

well, a vote or two is, you know, who knows. I'm telling you, now, you crack open a coconut for me, you got my vote. I will say, though, it's what, day 16 now at this point? Joanne hasn't had a single reward. He's, I can't imagine how hungry he is. And he still has, you know, the mind to be like, I don't know if taking this is the best move.

Like, I'm willing to maybe try earning it for myself. I mean, 16, I remember day 10 out there. I was so freaking hungry. Like, literally closed my eyes and like pizzas would be flying through the sky. and hamburgers and like I could only like it was food food food I'd be strategizing thinking about food I can't imagine going 16 days without like a real meal you're literally eating worms off the ground like you know maybe finding a tiny crab here and there so you know honestly props to him for for holding out and being willing to like wait another couple days

potentially because that's tough that is tough I told him too at that challenge I was like Jo-Juan, you're looking kind of cut this channel. So maybe Jo-O-I was like, I'm good, I'm on a diet, yo. I'm finally my abs are coming through. I don't even want the food.

Jack, you ain't never lie. I saw the cut. I said, I had to squit my eyes. I said, is that a Zaddy calendar contender? Because Joa was definitely looking a height. I have a mention

Jack in Austin Did Joanne have a pet sleeve shirt on? No, I think he had like a Kind of a little jacket on Yeah, yeah, yeah It's hard to hide how well he did, you know He didn't want to give anything away Got it. Yeah, he was good

Someone was like, John, how much did you lose? He's like, I don't know. Can't say. so um but yeah yeah and then so they go on the fees sophie b you know gets to head gets to put her bet on who's going to win she picks the wrong team um now i will say i do think that obviously sucks not to get picked i like being in the position of getting to choose which team though because even if you're wrong you're going back to camp with the majority so if things start to happen not that they always will when it's like a five four split but i feel like it's just better

to be with more people whether you're not the reward or you're not so there's that um but they get the reward and back at camp you have like christina is starting to sort of spearhead potentially a split on like savannah and rizzo who still are clear targets uh i will say very quickly they're talking about we're going to put you know so in this world in my mind it's six of them and then you have savanna rizzo and sophy b and as soon as they're talking about we'll put four votes on this person and then i was like this plant's cooked because if you only have if they don't if they don't know sophy b's in with that crew and they think they have her vote and they're going to put four votes on someone and three votes on another and sophie's not with

them that's going to be four votes on someone and two votes on another against three that's not an effective split so i feel like for me those were the first sides i was like this this way it's not going to work. This is where I started getting frustrated with my survivor players that I love. Because survivors, survivors. Survivor is a number game, right? And if I were to make it this long, I feel as though I would be very perceptive. And so if I am, Christina, if I am Alex and if we believe we're working with Sophie B and Joanne,

do we not know how close Sophie B? Savannah, Rizzle R, right? Like, and that is really the question that I'm dying to ask you, Austin and Jack, is that when you're out there playing Survivor or in your mind, how you're on a call

or, you know, however you play, Jack, uh, I guess it's like, how do you go about pitching these ideas? Because I am with you, Jack. Like, I kind of feel like, They was willy-nilly in it, right?

Like, you're giving these solid plans. First of all, you don't say Savannah's name three times, okay? Like, that's, she's going to come back and get you. So to even say Savannah's name, to say Rizzo's name, to a Sophie B, like, I just feel like that's risky in itself. And so it's like, how should one, or what's your thoughts on, like, navigating this? because I felt like ultimately how this tribal ended up today was like a negligence on like the information that was just flowing freely to like double agents

that you know are double agents. Yeah, I mean, with nine people and you three of them are the underdogs or whatever, they're on the bottom. They have these advantages doing a split at, this point, I think is so difficult and so scary. I honestly don't blame them at all for dog pawns someone else because in order to effectively do a split at nine, you got to do like a three three three split, meaning you need to like really have trust in six people or five other people. And when you're, you know, this season has had so many swaps and switches and changes.

I don't think people have been able to build enough trust with each other to like effectively do a 333 split so if i were on the beach i would probably instead of doing a split be like okay no we're just going to make sure we get who we want out and then do whatever we can to convince rizzo to play his idol or you know like get him to flush it but not split it on him because like that that just adds too many variables that are really hard to keep track of at this point yeah yeah exactly and i feel like a lot of credit is due for sophy b in the way that she's been able to I guess unlike Alex in this instance, Sophie B really is playing in the middle

and people aren't really on to her because they're running these numbers and think about a vote split that would include Sophie B and it's like, for Hina, the yellow tribe, like Christina running these numbers, the only history you've really seen of Sophie B

is that she came from a group with the entire original red tribe and was in with them. And then at the merge, she votes with Nate and Rizzo and Savannah. And then she didn't go to last travel. So to me, it's like, why are you just counting her in as a number right now? And that's all credit to Sophie for like getting them to think that she's in.

But like Austin was saying, this is a big group. If you're trying to execute like a 432 or a 333, you got to be a little bit like tighter with your information. And you can't have all these people that to me are like, variables like a Sophie B or even like an Alex at this point where people seem to know that he's kind of playing in the middle in this day and age of Survivor

two days after Jeff is like we got a spot on 50 you better believe someone's going to flip from that 333 and make it a 432 and take out someone from the majority so with that being said obviously wanting to flush the idol like that's a plan that is viable in some senses but

they definitely about it the wrong. long way, Bryce. Yeah. I feel like it's this perception of when you're in the majority, when you're playing from the majority and when you're playing from

the minority. And I feel like Rizzo, Savannah, and Sophie B. They're doing a great job of saying they're playing from the minority, right? But in reality, y'all are the majority.

Because y'all, your wingspan with the extra vote, with the knowledge is power, with the idol, right? That spans a really long way. And there is something to like, when you're playing with your back up against the wall. And I feel like they're allowing the majority to feel like they're in the majority. But I feel like in the new era, playing from the majority is a disadvantage. Playing from the minority has a huge advantage.

I'm just, I think they're just super dangerous. So it's like you have this majority that's comfortable, then you have this minority that is armored up, has all this artillery, artillery. And they, you know, they're watching these people feeling themselves and acting how they want to act. And they're just like, yo, we're strapped. So, and you got Sophie B, who is battle tested. She's going to all the tribals. So it's like, you know what? Y'all can act how you want, and we're going to strike when we need to.

and that's what we saw. Yeah. And Bryce, this actually goes back to something you said, I think a few episodes ago about like the advantage of playing from the minority, which I don't think I fully grasp, but I think that take age as well right now where you look at like Arizona Savannah.

And then obviously Sophie B is with them, but maybe people don't necessarily know she's with them. But to me, I think one of the biggest advantages is like, in the sense that it is fewer numbers, it's just easier to know where the numbers are at. It's like, okay, I know we got three, and all we need is one. We could just go work on pulling one person in, which in the new era especially happens all the time.

Whereas if you're in a six, you got the numbers, but then now you're getting a little tricky. You're trying to split the vote. You're doing this. It's like, now I've got to know what five other people are doing. And if I'm worried that anyone's going to flip, then like maybe I'm going to be the one that's going to flip. And it's just hard to like maintain all of that. And so that confidence, I think, Savannah and Rizzo really portrayed the confidence both in

sort of the artillery that they have but also they're little they're small but mighty numbers and then I think for everybody else in the majority then it's like that's actually a really hard minority to target so maybe I'll like just go vote with them so you start as the minority but if you kind of exude confidence like Rizzo especially is doing maybe it makes it really easy to be like oh if all six of you are worried about each other two of you can just join us and we're good and we are now we're that majority. And that's happening two times in a row. And the three of these players are really good survivor players.

Let's also mention that. 100%. Yeah. These three players are really good survivor players, and they have everything. And you got Savannah, who's a challenged beast. So it's like, it's a small number, but they are postured to snite people. And it reminds me a little bit of, like, last season where the people who were at, like, last season kind of got ran by the majority, like Kyle and Joe and Eva.

but to me that's because the minority was they weren't a unified minority you had like star and Mitch and Mary and they weren't really like working together so they were just loose numbers that people could take out but if they unified and put up like to me if I'm going to be the one to flip like in Camilla's situation last season it's like I got to know these people are like down to do it or otherwise it's just I just blow my opportunity so by being a unified minority I think that's a really appealing thing for someone who wants to make a move was like I know they're all going to be together

I can just be the one to join them I don't have to like flip and then rally all these people to unify it makes it a lot harder yeah and only the idol is known right yes which I mean if I were in the majority and I see a minority with only one idol

between the three of them they don't seem that strong and it'd be like oh yeah we can take them out later if we need to you know like might as well start hitting the people the top of this majority instead. And I think that's what they're thinking. I think that's partially why I think maybe Joanne and Sage are getting too much flack

is like they don't know all these things that they have. So obviously, as a viewer, we know they're much more dangerous than they were probably perceived to be on the island. Not to say that they should let Rizzo necessarily cruise by with his idol. I think we can get more into that later. But obviously, as a viewer,

we have the advantage of knowing about their advantages. and, you know, they can't make decisions based on stuff they don't know about. What's that thing where, like, say your arm got cut off, but you still have, like, phantom feelings that you have? Is that like a phantom? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, it's like phantom. You're a phantom limb or something like that.

Phantom limb, right? I really think what's the minority. I feel like, is it? Tom Cruise, the minority report? Okay. Yes. All right. But the, because I want to call them the minority report. Sophie at Rizzo and Savannah, right? I think what they really are doing well at is,

because I'm not a numbers person like that, but everyone keeps saying Sage or Dewan, they're running it. First of all, it's just Sage and DeWan. How is they running it? Okay. When there are so many other facts, with bigger numbers. And I think what the minority report is doing is by saying Austin and Jack are running it, right? Like it creates this phantom army that doesn't really exist, right? Like I feel like Sage and Dewan from what we have seen thus far, they're very fluid, right?

They're like, whatever, I feel like they are like Nepo babies where like they didn't really go to school. they flunked out of high school and they dad died and now they run in the company right and they're like you know what you only got to work six days a week we'll get 37 holidays everybody gets a bonus right where people are like yay but on the back office side they crunching the numbers right we're bleeding out of the socket and so yes they are the figure heads you have have these people that are hyping them up like oh they're running the company but in reality they're able to infiltrate them and i think that that is what rizzo and savanna and sophy b are doing a really good job at and don't get me wrong christina and alec they are trying to do the same thing but i almost see it as like uh they go on to joan and sophy like we love only working one day a week like, you know, as if like they are with them, but in reality, I just feel like the other side

is kind of allowing them to have power, but they're like controlling them. Yeah. No, that's a great analogy. I definitely think that trio of like Savannah, Rizzo, and Sophie B, definitely, I think so far out playing their counterpart on the other side, which would be like a Christina and Stephen and Alex.

like at least from what we've seen um now to be fair like again with with joan and sage getting so much flack i do feel like at some point if they just kept going with that kina trio the same sentiment's going to be true like oh you're just going with them like um so i don't mind them kind of balancing and playing the middle a little bit but obviously with rizzo having his idol and then the other ammunition that that trio has it could be a little bit dicey especially with Sophie potentially being a number for them because now they're going to be down to eight and Sage and Juan might not have

the options anymore. They might be stuck on the bottom with Stephen and Christina and not have a number to flip. The other group has an extra vote and idle. Now you're in a little bit of trouble. So I don't really think to me ultimately kind of to the discourse on online and

all that, I don't think their issue was so much like leaving Rizzo. Like I think given their perception of what we know the way they look at the game and the numbers. Them leaving Rizzo and Savannah's numbers, not terrible. But then I think the flaw is them not realizing that Sophie's kind of in with them, that both sofies are kind of in with them.

And now that there's things going on behind the scenes that they weren't aware of when they could have maybe use Christina and Alex and Stephen a little bit more to their advantage. Where I do want to give Sage and Joanne a little slack or be tough on them is that how you don't know the other Sophie is with them Sophie came back and was like hey y'all everybody was like oh we thought you died right like

what else is Sophie where else is Sophie going to go yeah that yeah that's the probably I think is the just the overall perception of where all the alliances are which is a you know a big issue but you can you can only really

deal with what you do see so it's it's hard it's hard to judge on that front. I thought Rizzo, I don't know who he was talking to, but he was saying something to someone like, I don't know how I convinced everybody to vote with me

last week. Like, that was crazy. Was I the only one thinking like, now, by you, I know I love Riz, and definitely we are seeing the Riz God. Riz has gone to sleep and the Riz God is here. But in my mind, I'm like,

How did everybody vote for you? Yo, number one, came zooming in on a boat, and they didn't know what she had, and that kind of changed the tide a little bit. Would y'all not agree? Yeah, it cracks me up how much Rizzo hypes himself up in confessionals. It's so funny. I'm pretty sure you had one early in the episode.

It was like, you know, I put on an absolute cinematic masterpiece last night, and it just, like, hyping himself up, like, oh, I did so great at moving everyone's boats and yeah just I will say though looking back at last week Rizzo had some motion before Savannah pulled up like things were

falling apart on the other side of things before Savannah got there and they started to turn on each other it looked like Riz was cool before Savannah again but let's just be clear it was that was Riz okay that wasn't Riz God I think I think that was

Riz God emerging from his slumber and that's when he started going to work, and then Riz God emerges, Savannah pulls up because she knows that the Riz God has arrived, and she's like, let me make sure Riz God is good. Riz God is good all the time. All the time. Jack, have you ever been to a black church? No.

I barely go to church church, but. Have you ever been to a black church, Austin? Nope, I'm in the same boat as Jack. We don't really catch the invites, you know? Do you know what it means when they say, uh, somebody caught the Holy Ghost? I think so. Not going to guess.

It's like there, isn't it, they're like kind of like, infected with like religious fervor? Like, they're like, oh. Okay. You know, like he's like, he's like, He's too excited. He's fired up and got the Holy Ghost in him. Is that right?

Yes. Yes. Wow. Okay, Jack. Come on. Yeah, I might not know songs, but I know Black Church. Okay. Last question.

In a Black Church, Austin. And Jack, how many times do we pass the offering played around? A. once be twice three at the discretion of the Lord

D until it fills up Jack praise the Lord Jack okay Jack I think I like more than the church I went to growing up because I didn't like that very much but let me also just ask you

how long was your church 45 minutes an hour. Austin. You know what? I would assume, I would guess an hour if I, if I went to a church. That's what y'all probably knock on like.

Black churches be like eight and a half hour. Holy. Two and a half to three to four. They get to going. And that's first service. How often? That's not once a week, right? I mean, sometimes it's

sometimes it's a second service. Sometimes it might be Wednesday night prayer. You know, I had to go to praise dance rehearsal on Thursdays, so. Bible study? Oh, well, I mean, I mean, great. That's awesome. Okay, but in Riz, we trust.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know where would we, but. So, you know, also, again, I've harped on this. And I feel like now maybe my, this point is starting to fade out. And this might be getting a little ahead in the episode. But as these ramblings of a split on like Rizzo and Savannah are emerging, you know, outside of what we see in the episode, I'm also like, we know Rizzo's ass isn't going home tonight. Like with him on 50, I was like, you know, he's not going anywhere.

We need the full Riz God takeover. Yeah, I wish I didn't know. I say this every episode. I'm like, I wish we didn't know because if it's like, oh, the vote's going to be Rizzo or Alex. I'm like, I wonder who it's going to be. That's the toughest thing with like, Bryce, when you ask me how I felt about this season, that's been the toughest thing. It's like their episodes where I feel like if I knew nothing, they would be so hype. But it's just like going in the second half of the episode being like, well, okay, only one of these paths could actually work.

out because they're targeting, you know, the two people who are going to be 50. I will say now that we're approaching the final eight, now it's like maybe things could, now it's not, I feel like it's not so sure, you know what I mean? Off 50 from what we know, the lowest placing finish that anybody had their first go around was eighth place. And so now we're at the final eight. So it's like, oh, this is a little bit more of that territory where the, you know, Rizzo or Savannah could be like a seventh or eighth

and still, I feel like from what they've shown beyond 50. But anyway, should we get into the immunity challenge? We can. Let's do it. Let's do it. One of y'all, hit me with some thoughts on you. Well, okay. I want to.

So Stephen, I feel like this episode, we haven't talked about him very much. But I feel like he's had this episode. He had two really funny, entertaining moments. One, we didn't even bring up yet, but his like chicken nightmare that he would have, which, you know, made me really start thinking because, like, personally, I would hate having chickens as a reward, just having to deal with it. You know, they're annoying, like having to have them like cluck around all day and night. And then I was thinking, like, you know what, it's like day 16.

People are starving. The chickens are still alive, you know, the people are getting voted out every day, every other day like why aren't you eating these chickens but also then I thought about it more and it's like I feel like with this cast especially like killing the chickens really upset some of the people so I'm wondering if they're like keeping them alive because they're worried killing it would put a target on their back from certain people I don't know I mean like would you all kill the chickens leave them there like I'm just shocked that there's still two chickens I'm choking the chicken No, but let's also be clear, Austin, the chickens is free.

They're just roaming. I don't think they even have control of the chickens anymore. It sounds like they're hanging by camp, like just walking around. Like, they became friends. I'm with you, Austin, though, because, I mean, we haven't seen any eggs. Right. I think they said they haven't gotten any eggs. Well, they saw their.

friends get killed and they're like, I'm not producing any eggs anymore. Really? If I'm that chicken, I'd be like, oh my gosh, I need a shootout egg. But I wonder, maybe the chickens got stress and traumatized and they stopped producing, but no, I'm with you also. I'm like, for me, I was like, if I'm hungry, there's two chickens roaming around. You know, 90% of chickens, they live, like, their stress level is, if it's like a scale of 1 to 10, 90% of chicken stress level is always

at like a 9, because they're always in this anxiety state that death is intimate. So, well, then I'm sure these ones are part of the 90% because they're always getting chopped.

Yeah. I will say, though, like, it's not only upsetting for some of the cast members but I know a lot of viewers hate watching the chickens get killed. I don't care. But my aunt texted me the episode where the first chicken got killed and she was just like, oh my gosh, I'm never watching this show ever again.

Like, I'm so glad that they didn't make you do something like that or I could never talk to you again. It's like, we're starving. We eat meat, like, but it is really upsetting for people. But I mean... So what do you say to people that's like... where do you think that fried chicken uncle jay is serving you at that pop-eye spicy chicken like what what do you say to those people that love chick-fil-a that's the question i let me know so i can

tell my aunt so she'll talk to me again i'm well i mean yes i was just going to say like yeah i I can go eat chicken, but no, I want to go slur a chicken that's gross to me. I'm with you. I mean, it is. Do you eat chicken, though? But I'm not saying you've got to be the one to slaughter it or whatever. Like, I wouldn't love to do that either. But, like, to Austin's point, if you're watching at home eating some McDonald's nuggets,

well, those might not actually be chicken. But that ain't chicken. That ain't chicken. fillet and you're like oh my god what's wrong with these people they're killing the chicken i'm with you it's like what do you think the chicken you're eating now if you're like a vegan and you don't eat any chicken i can totally understand being like oh i don't want to watch that but you know if you're if you're eating chicken it might not be the most pleasant thing but you can't really judge the people that are starving on an island for killing their own chicken they're doing

it themselves they're actually giving the chickens a better life than like the big uh big agriculture free roaming Yeah, free grass fed You know, it's not I don't know But I'm with you though The one thing I thought Austin Was Steven's like

Every time I see these chickens I get reminded The chickens I kill and I'm like Well there's only one way To not see the chickens You might up your body Count but you won't get any reminders So

I guess at the reward maybe with the fried chicken But So at this immunity challenge, it's a new challenge. I don't, you know, kind of self-explanatory, but what did you guys think about it? I thought it was a good challenge. I also was, I'm always curious when they do like a male winner and a female winner. I'm always wondering, like, does it have anything to do with, like, height, weight variances, or do they just do it for a simple type of number? I think I would have been really great at this challenge.

I think I've got really good lower body strength. I think my core strength is, you know, above average. I think I could sit in that position. I just, I think I'd be good at that. Oh, yeah, sure. It's an interesting challenge because I think with these types of leg ones, they don't hurt as bad like each second that you're doing it, but there becomes a point where your legs just give out.

And it's like no warning. I mean, I feel like it's kind of similar. My season, I did one where, like, your legs are kind of, like, up like this, and you're just, like, holding your leg up like this for as long as you can. And I was like, oh, this isn't too bad. I can do this. Just stay focused. But at some point, your legs just give out.

No matter what you want to do, no matter how hard you want it, it just gives out. So I feel like it's one of those challenges where it's just like your body has its limit and it won't let you go past it. Bryce, we had an interesting discussion last night at our little watch party Because like you, I was like, I think I could be okay. I've been doing some core workouts lately. I've been doing my wall sits, doing some abs. What's the wall sit?

It's like where you sit, you lean against the wall and you keep your legs like in a 90 degree angle and you like sit against the wall with nothing under you. And that works your core? It's like a core legs. It's a good because I'll do it for, I'll just go on my. my phone and do it for like five minutes and then you kind of distract yourself or you listen

to some some space facts um but i thought i was like i think i could be good at this but then we were watching it i was like was everybody like was were people sitting at different distances based on height but i think they were all kind of the same distance and that to me was where i was like well savannah looked like her legs were in a pretty nice position of being pretty straight which i think is kind of ideal because for me I'm like if my legs had to be like bent like this that's going to be a lot harder to do so

that was the one thing that kind of stood out to me in terms of like what's the what's like the leg situation because right I think you would want your legs to be generally like more straight because if it's super bent you're like getting a word I would think

that they adjusted it I mean we had some challenges where they took like our arm our wingspan so that they can adjust us. I feel like this is one of those challenges that they would measure it. But I agree. It did look like Savannah's leg position was more outstretched than like Sophie's when it came down to it at the end. And I don't know. Maybe it's like she had better technique and was able to like, you know, sit in a weird angle, adjust her spine to like get one leg stretched out. I'm not sure, but, but yeah, not. It didn't really look like they were different distances, though. Like it looked

like they all kind of were in the same width and then they just had to like make it like yeah you like look I don't like if you look at like the little beam in the back that's where like their butt presses against it all kind of looks the same right I don't know but

and you see like Jawan's legs I mean not that Jawan's super duper tall but like you look at like the guys who are a little bit taller like their legs are a bit more and then you look at like some of the shorter women on the far end, their legs are a little bit

straighter, so I don't I don't know. I guess most of them other than Savannah, who's probably the shortest, look, to be sort of the same ankle. Yeah, or it's so me. I think I saw a tweet where they said for high. I think I saw something like today

where they said the best is right. That they did. Interesting. I feel like it looks like almost like how they're sitting. Like some people are sitting straight up on their back and their legs have a little more room. They're a little straighter. And then you've got people like Joanne looks like he's kind of scrunched up forward, like closer to it. I don't know.

It's hard to tell. Yeah, I don't know. But I think it was pretty fun challenge. As far as endurance challenges go, this was something different. Yeah. I enjoyed it. I also like when you see these type of challenges, it makes me think. think, is this one, like you said before, Austin,

you get to a point where your legs just give out, or is this one that it could be mind over matter, where you really could just zone out somewhere and just really lock in. And at one point in time, they were unable to hold on to the bottom, right? Then it was just like, straight core. That's where I was like, okay, that's, I might be good at it, but I might have to tap out of that.

And then Stephen, once again, Yeah, you know, ripping out his facts. Honestly, his fact blew my mind that what all the planets can fit next to each other between the Earth and the moon, that was, because I remember reading another time. You know, if you fold a piece of paper, what, like 42 times, it'll hit the moon. So, like, all the planets next to each other is not as long as a piece of paper folded 42 times, which is crazy. That, now, wait a minute. you fold a paper

I don't know I don't know about that fact I don't know no no I looked it up again before this you fold a piece of paper 42 times and it will hit the moon I mean it's two raised to what the 42nd I think it must be some sort of paper that's like able to be folded that many times

well that's the thing it's like there's no way you can fold something 42 times so it'll never actually get there but if you could theoretically. I think you're making up those facts, to be honest. Right, but if, if you theor, that just, so if you theoretically could do it, it could do it, but you can't do it.

So then that, don't that equate as, it's not real? I mean, it's probably with some, some, like, dimension paper where, like, that, then the height starts to scale up to, like, a exponential amount. Yeah, it's not like you can stack all the planets next to each other either, man. But you know how big they are.

Bryce, hold that paper up again. How many folds did you get? I'm at six. No, you're at six? Yes. It looks like two. All right, seven. Rudy, you only have 35 more.

Okay. One more fold is going to grow like 100 feet. How is this getting to the moon now? It's getting smaller. Well, it's getting thicker, though. Austin. Okay. All right.

You'll have to take my word or look it up. We can have a bet on this. Any kangaroo facts? That was a little most strange. You want a kangaroo metaphor or a space metaphor? Who was going to pick space at that point when he gave 50 space ones? And he's like, never mind, I don't even have a kangaroo one. I just have a spacewise.

That didn't work out too well. It's all these metaphors at tribal, man. These analogies. Are you interested in a kangaroo fat? Sure. You know. Or a kangaroo metaphor. Do you have a kangaroo metaphor?

I don't know about a kangaroo metaphor, but I do know that kangaroos have been known to, like, drowned dogs. They are violent. I mean, I saw that one video where... You saw the video on a guy? Well, yeah, it was like choking a dog and some guy came and punched the kangaroo. That was, that was epic.

Can I give a kangaroo metaphor? Joanne and Sage are looking at at Sophie B, like she is a kangaroo and cute and fluffy, but what they don't know is that she'll drown their dogs in this game if that means winning the million dollars. So.

You want to know another kangaroo who fat or another kangaroo metaphor? Yeah. Are you jumping in someone's pouch? If I fold a paper 32 two more times and the trajectory

of my love life continues to go the way to this go with some of them kangaroos have you seen some of them have you seen some of them

jack kangaroos no I'm about to see what I don't know if that was a metaphor I was that was a pitch freaky

oh that's crazy that's crazy this my pet kangaroo y'all I miss he's my pet so Savannah wins

And Stephen, right? And Stephen wins. But also, I don't care what none of y'all been saying, Sophie almost won this again. Like, we got to put some respect on Sophie names. Sophie really is out here doing the dang thing. And clearly, she was brought back from the dead. And so she's like, she has something to prove.

And so she really is out here doing her thing. And with Stephen winning, I would love to know you, your guys' thought on Stephen because like we haven't talked about him much we know he's kind of sort of been a swing vote we know he's kind of not on the island on his own but he's kind of open

to work with anyone and my opinion you would think that if the majority was the majority right like I would believe a name like Steven should have been floating around today right like if you were trying to snuff out Rizzo's pouch

right like Stephen I was trying to get a kangaroo metaphor I'll survive a snuff pout but like I just was so shocked that like why aren't we floating Stephen's name and so it just also makes me think with him winning this immunity what's

what's Stephen's trajectory do you guys think like I think I think Stephen's in a great position I don't know I think Steve's yeah I was going to say, I feel like with Alex gone, I think Stephen becomes way more exposed because I think they're both players who excel with socially smoozing with other people. And maybe Alex was a little bit louder with that, a little bit more schmoozy than Stephen.

But with Alex gone, I think people might catch on to Stephen because I do think he seems to be like having a good relationship with almost everybody. But at a certain point, just like it did with Alex, that turns into a liability and something to turn heads towards him. Yeah, I'm going to throw out a bold prediction. I think Steven's the next one out. And that's only because, and I think Stephen's been doing a lot of things right, where he has good relationships with a lot of people. And I don't think he's been the target because, you know,

that Savannah Rizzo contingency knows that Joanne and Sage like Steve. So if they target Stephen, they're not going to get Joanne and Sage to flip. But they've successfully whittled down Stephen's numbers through going for some of his allies. And now that I think this Savannah, Rizzo, Sophie, and Sophie group is going to have their way with the next vote, having four of the remaining eight. And then you look at the rest of that group, I don't think Sage, I don't think Sage and Joan are going to be their target. it's right away. And then you look at the remaining two, Hina left on the other side of things.

Christina and Stephen, Stephen's shown he can be a competitor in these challenges. He's got pretty good relationships with everybody. Like, like you said, Bryce, he's been a good player. And so I think that's why he would be their target at the next vote. So it's tough because it's not really Stephen's fault that any of these things haven't gone his way.

Like he's been doing the right things, but it's just been other people kind of shifting to the other side. side that's kind of left him in a bad spot. Something that the Riz God did that I thought was great, which seems obvious, but watching back

the episode, I thought it was like really masterful. I really like Alex. I think Alex was doing a great job. And Alex damn near my winner pick. So it sucked that he went home. And I think that there's a point in time where like you can play the fence, but

at some point in time you do have to like draw your line in the sand. And I think with Rizzo realizing where Alex was and when he started kind of like spreading those facts about Alex. And I think, you know, he's telling Joanne and Joanne's like, what did he say that? How could

that be? Right? It's like, well, because he didn't say it, Joanne. But I liked how when we got Joanne's confessional, Joanne's like, Alex is doing too much. Like, he's, he's blowing up the spot. Juan kind of clocked it, though. Say that again? Juan kind of clocked Rizzo on that.

though. Right. But what I'm saying is how I thought like the trickle effect of that was I thought so too, because Joanne was like, that doesn't even make sense. Why would he say that? But then towards the end of the episode, we see Joanne talking to Alex like, uh, Rizzle's throwing your name out. Like, you know, I don't know which way I'm going to go.

And in Jowan's confessional, we see Jowan being like, Alex is doing a lot. He's being too flashy. And then once Alex knows that Rizzo is actually writing his name down, Alex goes into full panic mode and you know he's fighting back at a Rizzo and I think that that kind of almost further proves Rizzo's point as to why it should be Alex

which I think it looks like common sense but looking back at it I'm like that's a really good move on a Rizzo to kind of like drip that information even if it's unbelievable and then because Alex is just so caught off guard the only defense mechanism you have is to just buck back

And you bucking back sometimes like that makes people be like, oh, he might got a go, which sucks. But I don't know. Is that a strategic move? I think Rizzo took a narrative that people were already sort of seeing that Alex was a little all over the place playing in the middle and just gave it a stir. And it's like, well, even if Alex defends himself, people are already sort of suspicious about him. So it's like exactly like you said, if Alex fights back, it's going to look more like, oh, well, Alex is scrambling. So maybe we do just get them out. So I thought it was good from Rizzo

because you got to know the time and the place to just kind of start throwing out blatant lies because sometimes they'll come back and bite you. Now, I got another question for you. Everybody keeps saying the Riz God is playing from the bottom. He playing from the bottom. Again, I was third out on my season, so I don't know a lot.

But in my mind, are you playing from the bottom? if you don't play your idol in three tribal councils, that don't feel like you're playing from the bottom. Well, I don't think Rizzo thinks he really is playing from the bottom, but that's absolutely what you have to tell everybody. Like, you want people, you want people to think that you are on the bottom and to think that you think you're on the bottom because it makes you way less threatening.

And, like, you know, I think Sophie, yellow Sophie said it in tribal. It's like, you know, sometimes like what the devil, you know is is better than the devil you don't. And it's like, okay, Alex, I could see him being a more intimidating, scary threat out there on the island versus a Rizzo with an idol because Rizzo's always going around saying I'm on the bottom. I don't have allies. I'm, you know, it's so easy to knock me out. And then like if you vote him out or get him plays idle, maybe someone like Alex would find the idol and become even more dangerous. So I don't know, I think it's good to tell people that

you're on the bottom and to like say it outwardly. But in his confessionals, you know, like I said, he's always hyping himself up. I don't think he thinks that, you know, he doesn't feel sorry for himself. Yeah. Not me believing in a professional. But I will say, I do think another sort of flaw,

I do think, I don't think it's like a glaring mistake, like some people are making it out to be. But I do think when you know, like I could sort of see why they would want, like Savannah and Joe, or sorry, Sage and Joom will want Rizzo in the game to some extent. But it's also, like, once you know where his vote is, like,

I feel like you could be pretty confident that he is going to vote for Alex because he's been pushing this narrative for a couple days. He's been the one starting the pot. That's the time to just put your vote on Rizzo. Because you know, even if he plays the idol, you kind of know what's going to happen. I would understand when it's more dangerous, if you don't know where his vote's going to go, if you could be the collateral, it could hit back on you.

But I do think this is a moment where, like, I can understand like A to B like do they want Rizzo or do they want Alex in the game? I can see why they want Rizzo. But at the same time letting him just cruise through with an idol

is a little bit dangerous. That is where my gripe with a sage and a Jawan is where it's like if this is what Rizzo is saying that he's going to do and he wants you on board would one not believe

that clearly in some way, shape, or form, it has to be beneficial to his game. And so if you are sage and Dewan, it's like, do I go with this and benefit his game or do I say, hey, Alex, he's coming for you.

We're going to save you. And now you retain the numbers with an Alex. That's where I kind of feel like my frustration with us, I'm not mad that I am sad that Alex is going, but my frustration with a sage and a Juan it's like y'all not steering the boat and if you're not steering the boat

somebody else is steering the boat in the back with a kangaroo and soon that kangaroo is going to jump out and drown somebody's dog a hundred percent and it only gets harder as the numbers go down it's more and more likely that you're the dog that's going to get drowned and so it's like take your time now where you know where riszo's vote was going and take the shot i feel like um and again I can see them wanting to keep Rizzo around somewhat, but if you just let him keep cruising on by,

then it's tough. I don't know. It's like at this rate, when are they going to make the move? And I feel like there's a general like stigma around like, oh, he might play his idol, who knows what could happen. But, and that's this season and also in general, if you're worried if someone's going to play an idol, you don't know where their vote's going to go.

But if he's confidently telling everyone, everybody were going for Alex, then you do know what's going to happen. If he plays his idol, then Alex is going to go home. That's the time to do it. And we see Christina and them come up with a plan to target a Sophie B, right?

Because they real, like, it's not just a Rizzo. Rizzo is a packaged deal. Rizzo is like me and Austin. You think of Austin, you think of Bryce, you think of Bryce, you think of Austin. They're a packaged deal. Mm-hmm.

And then it's like with a Sophie B, that's like you think of Amanda, you think of Austin, you think of Bryce, right? Like, we are three. company. That's all in one, one for all. And so we see that they're targeting a Sophie B,

but the plan doesn't really come to play. And again, I'm just thinking like, why ain't y'all throwing Stevens name out? Like, I don't know. I just feel like, say that. He's a, okay. But the kangaroo got me. I'm with you.

Wendell, your service cleared up a little bit. What are your thoughts on all of this? I feel like we can get you right now. One, did you watch the episode? Well, yes, I watched it in two parts. So I watched half of, when I got home to my hotel, I watched the end half yesterday, and I watched the beginning half today.

All right, ask the question. I guess I guess if you've heard what we've just been talking about with Sage and Juan being in the middle and they're looking at like this option of we could go for Rizzo and he has his idol and maybe we can flush it or do we just go with maybe the safer route and take out Alex

what would your considerations be in that in their shoes and what do you think is the ideal move for that as there's sort of the swing vote I think I think you don't play it safe, and I think you try to take the shot at Rizzo. Do you think you try to get him to play his idol and keep him in and just flush it, or do you let it ricochet on Alex still?

I'm sorry, or do you try to blindside him with the idol? I would try to blindside him with the idol. Yeah, I almost think it's like you go with his plan, be like, yeah, we're all going to go for Alex, and then you get your side crew and then dump it all on Rizzo instead of trying to do this crazy split. Yeah. But at the same time, it's like, maybe people are not as scared of a Rizzo with an idol as they are with an idol out there for someone else to grab.

And then all of a sudden, no one knows who has the idol. You know, you know that Rizzo has it. And, you know, I could see people being like, oh, Rizzo is not that threatening. He's on the bottom. He only has one other ally. Like he, we can get rid of him any, you know, any day of the week. So, you know, someone like Alex who's making friends with every single person. on the cast who has allies

with every single person is a lot more dangerous when you don't know all the facts, I think. Yeah, I agree. I think from their perspective and what they know that that's not an unreasonable conclusion. And I think you make it a good point to you

and they brought this up very good. What's that? Sorry, am I? I just wonder if this is like a Zander's situation where it's like we know where he is and we're not scared of him. Kind of. And it can be sometimes a self- fulfilling prophecy like that where it's almost like you do such a good job of holding on

the idol that people maybe subconsciously like well we can't give him credit for that so we'll just act like we don't want to target him to begin with um and but you make a good point awesome they brought this up during tribal and it's not something that's usually talked about like this but it's like there is some advantage of just knowing who has the idol so you Rizzo could almost be the volunteer and be like hey guys I'm never going to play this so if you don't vote for me you'll know where the idol is and no one else is going to have it. There's a weird benefit to that. How does, in your opinion, how does that play with the jewelry?

Is that a respectable game, though? Because I feel like you've been super, like holding that idol, like, well, I got it. You know where it's at. You've been very critical in past seasons of people playing like that, Jack. Well, I don't think critical in that way. I think the thing is, if you're not a target, naturally and you just have an idol, to me, it doesn't matter that much. But if you are in a situation, and I think Xander is a good example of this,

where you used it really strategically or Rizzo is using it strategically to like bluff and drive the vote and he's able to hold on it onto it until the last moment and, you know, control the final five vote or whatever it may be, then that deserves a lot of credit in my book. But I think to my point is like, if I'm someone who's still in the game with him, maybe I just start to write that off because if I don't want to address the fact that he has an idol and have to deal with that, it can be very easy to create a narrative of like, oh, we were never going to vote for him anyways. So then you get to the final tribal and you could just be like, well, we weren't going

to vote for you. Like you're kind of discrediting his game so that if you're against him, you kind of create the whole narrative of like, well, it didn't matter that you had the idol, even though it obviously does because he was a target. But eventually I think it's easy, like for people in their minds, it's easier to, to just write that off rather than be like, we need to attack Rizzo and get rid of the idol.

We see this episode, Savannah have a very, like, touching moment with Sophie B, where she tells Sophie B, she's, like, a reporter, and that, like, we see this moment where she's like, I wouldn't even tell Rizzo this, right? Was that touching? I mean, but it's not touching,

but it's like Savannah, the shark is... Being vulnerable. She's being vulnerable, right? She's sharing the minimum. no fish with other sharks, right? Like, where she's like, I wouldn't even tell Rizzo this. Is there a world where Savannah and Sophie plot to get a Rizzo out?

Like, do we see this trio ever cannibalizing on each other? Because I felt like that was pretty telling. Like, what purpose in my mind, I'm asking, like, why did the editors show us this? And why didn't they show us showing? Rizzo with Jawan in saying, hey, I'm going to get this so you get the food, right?

Like, I felt like that didn't play much into the episode. I think they showed it because well, well, to answer your first question, Savannah, I think I'm playing a stronger game than Rizzo. So why would I need to target him? Because then how he has a third person.

You might be split. I'd be worried that I'd be sharing votes with Rizzo if I was there with them at Savannah because they're like doing all these moves together almost. I can see them turning out like a four or five. Right now, I think they need, I think they know they need each other right now and that they're stronger together than they are separate. But I think at a five or a four, once they make whatever moves that they're going to make with the knowledge is power with the idol, it's like, okay, well, I don't want to sit next to you.

We might split votes. whatever it may be. And I think that's, that's a reason. To me, that's still, you're still a good ally. If we get to four together and it's like, you got to make a business decision, it is what it is. Did you guys see that photo, uh, that's like circulating on Twitter where it's like next week's tribal where you see, uh, Nate, MC and Alex. And they're making that face and they're like, what could this be? And somebody was like, well, it could be the knowledge is power.

and I feel like there could be a world where Sophie B snatches Christina's knowledge is power because we know who told Sage was it Sophie or was it it was Stephen? Was it Stephen? Yes. Yep, yep.

Stephen told Sage that and that didn't really have anything really to do but we see with Sage and Jawan voting with Alex going home but I could see there being a world where this information gets shared and I could see a Sophie B snatching that idol. And in my opinion, that's a game change and move. Because correct me if I'm wrong, if I snatch your idol,

I don't have to use it. I could just take it, right? Now, can you imagine then a Sophie has an idol, Riz has an idol, Savannah has an idol. Savannah don't have an idol, but. Extra vote. Right. Extra vote.

Yeah. I think that's what we're setting up for, Bryce. I think that's what we're setting up for. You're almost like set to the final five at that point. Right. And like you said a couple of minutes ago, Austin, you're saying like, oh, we can get a Rizzo any day. Anytime you say that about somebody,

that any day don't ever come. You should have got them when save said get them. Now somebody's dog is dead because a kangaroo is choking him. True. True. And I feel like, but that's the thing, I keep harping on it. But it's like, we know Savannah and Rizzo are going to make some waves. So it's kind of, I feel like your prediction's very accurate, right?

To use it against one of them. And that's what I was wondering, right? Because I almost thought if Sophie B were to jump ship at this point, having her knowledge is power. But hear me out, hear me out. Hold your head word. I'm hearing you out. With Sophie B having that knowledge as power, we know Sophie B was connected to an Alex.

Alex is connected to a Christina. I felt like if Sophie B wanted to make one hell of a resume, it would have been she could have potentially jumped shit at this point and maybe helped take out ERISA. Well, that's why I was shaking my head. I just think it's too early for her to do that. Okay. I think she blows up her spot.

But I think I like a five or six. If she does that against the Rizzo, that's a great. That's like a game-winning move, right there. Because we're watching him like flex his idol, flex it, flex it, flex it. You keep showing it off. I'm going to take that thing from him. And I'll play well with the jury, too, of Rizzo's Ben Cocky with the idol. You'd be like, oh, I'll take that.

Give me that. I made him know, like, that he's safe and that he never needs to play it. that I could take it from him later. That's a whole speech. Yeah, keep on feeding them information and then get them. Is there, we've seen how MC

not sharing that she had an idol kind of backfire on her. Do we feel like at any point if Sophie when and how Sophie does reveal this knowledge is of power, do we feel like that could potentially backfire? you're on her or

do you think they would just be so happy that they have this in the arsenal? I think it depends a little bit how she goes about it, but I feel like she'd go about it the smart way of to me, it's not bad to reveal this or reveal an idol when the time is right. And I think

the way that you do that is, you know, say they're getting ready for tribal and she knows she's got to use it. You grab your people and be like, hey, I found this yesterday. Like, let's put this to good use. Don't be like, oh, I found this five days ago and I didn't tell you guys because then I think that could not give you some problems

but if you just be like oh I just found this and I want to use it for us I think your people are going to be more excited than they are going to be like skeptical of when you found it now silly question because I always ask us with the shot in the dark given Alex position going into tribal give me

I'm a fold his paper up 13 times Austin give me the statistics should he have folded his shot in the dark or do you feel like it's better for him to have a vote? To be honest, I don't even remember that like, did he feel

this was a blind side, right? Like a full blind side. I don't think so because Joanne told him and that's when he kind of started, that's when he started folding his paper. I would just say they were going for a split vote and so Alex's vote

would have been crucial. for that to happen. So I think he has to vote if that's the plan. You know what I mean? But given that, we're going for a split vote, but now in the ninth hour,

you hear your name, Jack. But say that, say that I have a group and we're splitting the vote on you and Wendell, and I hear that I'm your, and you guys are in a group of, say it's you, Wendell, and Austin,

and I'm in a group of six and we're splitting our six votes supposedly on you and you and Wendell if I play my shot in the dark and I don't vote then the split's no good and I could go home if an idol gets played and I, and if you're the one to play

a shot in the dark and just blow up the whole split I feel like that's almost like a game even if you stay in I think that's like a game like bad game move for you down the line. Is it a bad game move but hear me out When the person that you split in the vote with just came back last night and y'all all told her she was dead, should I be trusting her?

Well, then the question is you shouldn't be splitting the vote. Yeah. If you ultimately lock into this is the plan. And if you have questions about that, then you shouldn't be splitting the vote. But if the plan is to split and you're the one who flakes because you're like, oh, what, I got to save myself. I mean, personally, if I was in that majority that was doing the vote, split and then someone did that I'd be like to me that it's kind of like I lose a lot of respect

for you because you don't it's not like it's not it's not it's like a flipping thing it's like oh you just bailed because you were scared and it blows up our whole plan do you hear what I'm saying no Austin where it's like yeah we're in it but I don't really know where sage is at so we thought like I feel like yeah that's what everybody is saying but at what point of time do you say forget everybody I got to play my shot in the dark because well you say you say that when if you to me sorry I know you're asking awesome

to me if you're if that's your read on the situation then you get your people together four hours before tribal and be like we can't split this vote but what like what if you and even still you don't have that say or not like what if I'm trying to say like

I think you try to express it in like If that's really you're reading, and even still, it's just, it's just tough because you'd say Alex knew where all the votes were going to go. I mean, obviously, maybe he doesn't know he's the target in this instance. Even if he plays a shot in the dark, it's like to his allies that did think they were going to split together, he still looks kind of, it's like he looks, it's scared gameplay. He looks kind of weak. Obviously, it might work out every now and again and save him, but even still, it's like his, the, The only people he trusts would then be like, oh, you bailed on our plan and you didn't want to say anything and like you kind of put us at risk.

Like, I don't. I don't know. Like that, to me, it's just whether it's his allies or the other people, if I'm on the jury and I see a move like that, I'm just going to be like, you kind of just flaked on your move. Like you're not playing this game with the cahones that it takes. I got to, I got to agree with Jack here. I think the best move at that point is you have to.

avoid the split, try being like all on someone else, and then you have the wiggle room to maybe play a shot in the dark, or if you're at tribal and you're like, I need to play this shot in the dark. Like I feel really bad. Get someone else who is in your voting block. Just be like, please, just switch it on playing my shot in the dark. Get one person to replace you on someone else and then, and then play it. You could do like a minority split, I guess. Like if you, if you, maybe that's the other thing is if you, if Alex knows he's the target. he's like we don't have the numbers we don't have an idol i'm going to play my shot in the dark and you know that the other side has an idol maybe you kind of a la david versus goliath

i'm just thinking if i'm steven alex and christina and alex is like i'm going to play my shot in the dark like we don't have the numbers then i think you have stephen and christina split their vote on sophie and rizzo because if my shot in the dark hits and there's six votes on me and then my shot in the dark if it says safe Rizzo is probably going to play his idol then you want to split the vote like a minority split so one vote lands on Sophie because if Rizzo plays his idol

and it negates all the votes then the re-vote it's going to be like a Stephen or it's not going to be Steve it's going to be because he's safe it's going to be Christina but that's like a dip you know that's with a lot of different factors out play that is almost impossible to organize in a live tribal

but yeah I do you have to know your playing the shot in the dark beforehand and be like this is literally our shot in the dark. That A it works and that B, like our contingency in the plan. But it's possible. Listen, I'm just, I'm an astute

student. I'm trying to learn from the grapes. Okay, I just, I figured if my back's up against the wall, play my shot in the dark. But I understand what you're saying. But nevertheless, this season does look like it's heating up. I feel like

the best episode I mean it's only a couple left but I feel like the best episodes are ahead of us sure and like what Jack's saying it's way more ambiguous you know like a Rizzo a Savannah they could go out next episode

and like make sense why they're on 50 you know like so it really opens up and I think these players are playing really really fluid I mean like I don't think the tribal lines are even a thing or close to being a thing and they haven't been which is it just makes

the rest of the game that much more exciting. I agree, and which is why I love these swaps and how they've been doing the swaps. I think that it makes for way more exciting Survivor. Just like it makes for exciting Survivor News, which is why we're so happy to have Austin, Wendy's and Jack here covering Survivor News with us. We're excited to see what happens next week.

Austin, thank you so much for joining us. It's always a pleasure to see you. Jackery, kangaroo, what's up? We thank everyone for listening. This has been your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 49, Episode 9. We'll catch you next week for episode 10.

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