RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 50 Finale Recap: Time Zones ft Lauren O’Connell

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor 50 Finale Recap: Time Zones ft Lauren O’Connell It all comes down to this as Brice and Jack are back for the Survivor 50 finale alongside special guest Lauren O��Connell from Survivor: Edge of Extinction. From Tiffany’s emotional elimination to the high stakes fire making showdown between Jonathan and Rizo, the finale delivered nonstop chaos all the way through the live reunion in Los Angeles. Brice, Jack, and Lauren break down Aubry’s long awaited redemption arc, Jeff Probst’s unforgettable live TV slip up that had the entire audience gagged,emotional, and hilarious moments that made this finale feel like a true Survivor event. Plus they dive into the fan votes, jury reactions, and whether Survivor 50 actually lived up to the hype of being “in the hands of the fans.” You can also watch along on Brice Izyah’s YouTube channel to watch us break it all down https://youtube.com/channel/UCFlglGPPamVHaNAb0tL_s7g LISTEN: Subscribe to the Purple Pants podcast feed  WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks! Previously on the Purple Pants Podcast Feed: Purple Pants Podcast Archives

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and let us know in the comments which we think about our final recap of Survivor Season 50. The baby boy Jack Atkins is back. And of course, with the finale episode, we have to keep our annual tradition of Lauren O'Connell from Survivor, Edge of Extinction. Jack, Lauren and myself get into the live.

Survivor reunion. We get into the questions. We get into the final challenges. We get into Tiffany. We get into Joe. We get into firemaking. We get into Jeff's blunder. This and so much more.

Jack Lauren and myself have a time. It's our last podcast of the season. So we take our time and we talk about everything. Let's get ready for this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. What's going on and welcome back to your final Survivor News of Survivor's Season 50, episode 13.

We got a lot to get into. We have crowned the winner of Survivor 50. And of course, you know, if it is the end of the season, Survivor News on the Purple Pants podcast, we have to keep our annual tradition of the amazing, luscious, beautiful, talented. Give it to me. Classic, classic Wendell creator. Okay. Lauren O'Connell of Survivor, Edge of Extinction.

Welcome back to the podcast. How are you? I'm great. I love being the finale, I guess, standing guest every year. I'm kind of like, every season, I'm like, are they going to ask me again? Are they going to ask me again? And if you don't ask me one season, I'm just going to show up just so you know. Girl, you already know.

It's an open invitation. There will never be a season as long as we are covering Survivor that you will not be here with us. And of course, if Lauren is here, we have to have the man, the myth, the backbone behind Survivor News. You might know him from... Don't say it. You might know him from Survivor News. You might know him from the Circle Season dose.

You might know him because he's called you for various reality shows. But... In matter of fact, there's someone on 51 who I might. had a given a ring for something. Oh, well, listen. They said the season is in the hands of the fans, and the fans have voted. Jackery, Jamal, Jacob,

Hakeem, Tarek Atkins from the floor is lava. Welcome back to the podcast. What an intro. Thank you, Bryce. Man, I got some middle names I didn't know about, but I'm excited to be here. I saw Lauren last couple nights, too. so it's really fun to like,

you know, we hung out during finale week and then now we get to kind of recap everything. I'm not jealous. We missed you. No, the fact that you were in New York this time, very sad, but how was it? Was it amazing? New York was super amazing. It definitely showed out.

Shout out to everyone, the posse that was there. There were so many people there were like singing songs. They were like, you should sing this song to Jack. You need to do this. And then they're like, is Lauren going to be on the podcast? I'm like, you already know. So again, shout out to everyone that came or anyone that went to a Bryson Win event this season. And also shout out to Gabe Ortiz from Survivor's Season.

I would help you out if I knew. 40. Forty-fum. 47. 46. Okay. Yes, 47. Okay.

Because Gabe held it down. and Baltimore with Teeny, with Andy, with Nora. So it was an amazing and great time. But listen, Lauren, you were at the finale. And also shout out for Lauren because you looked beautiful. There's nothing better than like waking up 6 o'clock Eastern Standard Time and just doing a scroll. And Lauren O'Connell is like one of the first photos that you see.

And I'm like, my bitch ate it down. How was the finale? What was the energy like? It's so fun. There were so many people there. I don't know. You had a live finale, obviously, for your season, right? So I obviously have not been to, we actually, I don't even know if we had a live finale since mine, maybe for 39, but mine was the last like good life. In person. And so, yeah. So we did it at the CBS studios. It was at a different studio this time. And so it was so surreal seeing it from the other side, because during our life finale, it's like we're back in

the green room. We're kind of watching the episode. They're kind of pulling us out for social. media bits, like completely different experience. It was so fun. Everybody was so excited to be there. The first I'm talking like three minutes. Jeff comes out there and we stand up. Everybody's cheering. We can sit down two seconds later. Somebody else comes out. Stand up, cheering. We did that five times. And I turned to the girls with like, we're going to have to set boundaries. We cannot be up and down for the next three hours of this thing. But we kind of were. It was so fun. I kind of forgot that we we're going to watch the episode. Because it feels like an event, but it was so fun watching the episode with everybody there.

Energy was insane. It's also very interesting having all the loved ones there from the season. Because like something, you know, usually when you're watching an episode at a watch party, you don't have, I don't know, people that are saying certain things. Like the whole bit with like TIF where she's kind of going at Aubrey. It's like they don't care. They're amazing. both of them are, but if it was a situation where it was like a little, if you've got family members,

like sitting next to each other. But it was so fun. It was amazing. My girl, Aubrey won, Team Aubrey Forever. It was phenomenal energy. So good to see everybody. It was felt kind of like a high school reunion. Yeah.

The photos looked amazing. And again, it was like so weird because like you said, I forgot in the new era, like we don't have live finalies anymore. And so seeing a live finale, I. The way I got memories that, like, just random of like, and I'll never forget on Kagayan, Wu, I always like tell this story, but I say, I don't, I feel like on my season, I thought Wu maybe thought he won. Okay. And when we were behind, you know, watching like you said, you know, at the start of it, my guy Wu, his energy was so high. And as the episode went on, right?

Like, and again, I didn't know. It's my first time meeting all these people, right? So, like, I remember me and Alexis and Jatia, like, we kept being like, what's wrong with Wu? And, like, just seeing Wu's, I don't know, maybe the reality, like, kicking in. And we were like, oh, my God, is it not Wu? And so, like, just so many of my. Did you think it's going to be real? I kind of did, though, right?

Because again, I didn't know. I literally met Tony for the first time where we talked the day before. And so it was fun, but also it was just like, I loved woo. And so like from my, I was just like, yeah. So again, it was just so crazy. And then again, seeing the pre when they brought the pre jury out, I had flashbacks of, I remember during my season, we were unsure. as to whether or not they were going to have the pre-jury on the stage.

Really? Because right before my season, I want to say like blood versus water or even the season before that, the pre-jury, they had them in like the stands. And so like, it just brought back like such random memories. And so it was like just so good. And it just reminded me of like how much I loved the live survivor reunions. Now, Jack, for season 47, what was it like on your season, not having, in

I live for you 47 finale in LA so they bring the alternates out yeah they just try to keep you in the mix I guess

no well you know the circle we did a live finale and I was actually a finalist price I don't know if

I guess I guess live finale maybe I guess it wasn't a live finale we pre-recorded it but we like did it the final day of filming and I'd be like walk into the finale,

but there's no audience during COVID. But, um, I mean, I last, you know, it wasn't much, but, um,

no, it was really fun seeing a lot of finale. It's obviously been since, I think, 39. And I mean, that's the first season we started podcasting the other, Breast was 39.

So I feel like our, my relationship with Survivors changed a lot since then, but it's cool to watch it and, like, bringing those memories back of, like, being a kid in watching these live finale. And yeah, it was a great time.

I was able to watch, I wasn't at the finale, but I got a shout out. You know, nobody does it like Bryson Wend, but I was able to watch it at Reality Bar, which is a basically a group in L.A. They throw reality watch parties for all different shows, like every week. So they do a lot of like Love Island ones. So if you're L.A., you want to find a community to watch with, check out Reality Bar on Instagram. But it was a great time. I was there with Jawan, with Jason from 49.

and then we moseyed on over to the after party. So I had a really great time watching the finale. That's dope. And I'm also so curious because I think Jeff has gone on record during the season where they asked him because they did announce that it would be a live finale. And they're like, well, they're excited for 51. And then Jeff was like, we're not doing a live finale for 51. He did say that.

But also Because at Maybe I misheard him Because when he kind of did a whole bit of like the Showing us the preview for season 51 I feel like he said We may or may not be doing a live finale Did he say that?

I will believe that So he did it in one of like the written interviews And like one of the and like when it came out I was just like like why would you go back and then go back? But also Jeff is known for saying stuff and then seeing like, really?

That's so funny. I mean, whatever the fans, aka Jimmy Fallon, I do, I think he'll do it. Nobody loves live shows more than Jimmy Fallon. That is very true. And so if you're saying that, Lauren, I want to believe that

because it's like, I loved the energy. Just even watching it was like it almost, and again, when we were in New York at the Bryce and Win, unofficial, official, survival watch party finale for the East Coast

just the Jeff was like and if you're at home watching it welcome I don't know why I was like I like you know like it's so nostalgic it's so nostalgic

when I tell you visceral reaction to any type of memory I have of Jeff walking through like the jungle pretending as if he's kind of coming straight with the urn walking through all of

these like fake palm trees and he walks out and then all of a sudden you see the cut and this is the one that I remember the most is micronesia is you have like Amanda and parv they're hugging each other then boom we've got these two like hot girls they're all done up he's walking out with the urn like I remember it so clearly and I think it's so nostalgic of OG survivor and the survivor that we all fell in love with that's why it's so fun and I reckon for you guys too it's like or for any former player you know I'm sure like the finale is a big event whether you're the first boo or the winter. And so just to see them on that stage, probably, like you said, the nostalgia for everybody who's been there before probably like triggers that. Not only like being at the finale,

but just everything that, you know, like everything that encompasses, you know, with. Yeah. Yeah. It's an emotional roller coaster because again, I love Survivor. I'm a champion of it. But it brought back some like not so great memories for myself. I remember we were at rehearsal. and Jeff was like, it's a live show. And so we're not going to be able to talk to everybody. And so it's fine. And then, right? So we're all like, okay, cool.

And then all of a sudden he's like, and Bryce is hilarious. But we might not be able to hear from him. And I'm not, now wait a minute, why you guys say my name? And then we go to the live finale. And it's like, he talks to David. He talks to Garrett, skips me.

And so, again, but I was just like, oh, your job. It brings back a lot of things. But what I thought was the most interesting while in New York and talking to all of the fans, because for me it's like, you know, I want to immerse myself with the fans. I was asking them, like, how do they feel about the live finale? And a lot of them were like, well, this isn't the final five that I wanted. But, and we'll dive into that. But throughout the night, I think that.

the live finale, because there was a lot of, a lot of hiccups. There was a lot of, and I think it helped maybe the fans. A lot of people like see this season as such a great season because so many people were like, oh, it's not a great season. And again, I've been, it wasn't in my hands. And I don't know whose hands it was it. But I thought it was a great season.

And so I also just kind of felt like talking through a lot of the actual fans. I think the life finale helped them realize like these are legends, right, from legendary seasons. And like, I don't know, it just tied it up in a nice bow is my perception. I agree. I agree. Summer is for enjoying barbecues, cocktails, and travel, but it can catch up with you. If you're feeling a little off, your body might need a detox. QuickSilver Scientific's Pushcatch Liver Detox is designed to support your liver and natural detox pathways,

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Like, when you show Tina and Colby, sorry. I met Tina. I don't really like a fan girl over people, but I was a fan girl. She comes up to me, she's like, I love your dress. I go, she's like, I'm Tina. And I go, I know who you are. I named my Barbies after you.

What do you mean? Like in my audition tape for my season, I tell the story about how when I was six years old, I had Ken and Barbie and I named them Colby and Tina and I reenacted tribal council. Like she's my OG Barbie. So I think like showing her, showing the, if Survivor 50 is supposed to be

this big celebration of 25, years. I want to see the OGs. I want to see the people that made Survivor what it is because we wouldn't have what Survivor is now if we didn't have season one, season two, all of those seasons that started it. There was, again, I woke up very early at like 6 a.m. because I was ready to hit the roll back to Philly and open my phone. My algorithm brings me my boo Lauren. I'm like, oh, comment, like, kill it. And then scroll the next thing that I see is. is all the survivor winners were invited back. And then I see a quote from Richard Hatch.

Not all the survivor winners were brought back. I was the first winner and I wasn't brought back. And I was like, ooh. I saw that too. And I was, I don't know. I'm clearly, I wouldn't know. But I, there were a lot of winners there. So I don't know if maybe he skipped his invite or he said no.

But there were a lot of winners there. Yeah. Vesepia, right? And again, there's a Vespea. We kind of felt like she should have been on winners at war. People were expecting her to see on 50. Even with the diversity initiative, Vesepia was a huge part of that.

And so we were like, okay, maybe we'll see her. But it really was so good to see Vespea, so good to see Todd, so good to see Tina, so good to, sorry, I don't even, I don't got my bucket, but one of the original Britchers, Moister's, Orris, it's Aris, right? Yeah.

Oh, singing him and like... He was one of the OGs for you? Yeah, oh, he was a... I got to be Aris, and so I told him this to myself. But, like, and again, like, I look at Aris kind of like Kobe, where, like, they've aged, right? Like, they don't look like the person that I fell in love with. But...

Thank you, sir. Okay, I can meet you now. And honestly, his wife is just as hot. I'm like, you, oh, I'm obsessed with them. Obsess. Ors N. What's the brother name is Aris and Venus? Venus.

Okay. Ors and Vetus. Choo, choo, too, too. Okay. But, oh, God. And I love them. And they both my friends, but I'm, if ever, you all haven't wanted to

want to know what greatness feels like they got my number but wait Lord funny I need to know because in the last couple of seasons that we've had you on you know you'd be texting me the night before you'd be like bitch I got seven episodes to get through but I'm gonna finish it and then I'll get back to you

your take on 50 where are you I did watch season 50 and I did not have to catch up last night. I didn't have time. I was out celebrating with my girl Aubrey. Okay, I knew that. No, I did watch all. I loved season 50 in the aspect of it was nostalgic. It was fun to see the OGs. It was fun to cheer on someone who I love so much. And I was talking to someone last night about Aubrey. And I said, I've known her since I was 21. I'm almost 30. So much of who I am is because I met Aubrey and Kelly.

I grew up with, like I grew up with them. Survivor, like I was crying when she won. I was crying when she won the final four, which was also very, I was texting Cal. I facetamed Kel during the,

the vote read. But like that was Kelly's final four challenge as well. So it was just a very, it was so special all season to cheer on someone who I feel is like the kindest person. I didn't play with her. And I know this is kind of getting off topic

of the whole actual season and whether or not I thought it was a good season, but I'm going to take the mic for two seconds. I never played in the actual game with her. And when I got to Ponderosa, the way that she embraced me was, and she didn't have to, like, at all. She didn't even know me. And she was so welcoming and so kind and has been ever since. I think she is so good to her core. And I think that when you are a good person, eventually great things happen to you. And I think She was so deserving of this win. And I was crying my eyes out when she was telling her in final jury story narrative art to Christian.

Because I remember after EOE, she disappeared from Survivor. He was still in my life. Like I still knew her. I still knew her like she had a baby. She created an entirely different life. And to see her just step away from it. and truly believe she would never come back to Survivor again. I'm getting like, the bloody chills.

I just, yeah. And then to come back and be able to kind of really put a book end to what started in in Kowong, like was such a beautiful, beautiful thing to watch and cheer on all season. And I also had no spoilers. Truly, I didn't. I didn't know. I told everyone. And I'm not like on whatever it is that people are like, oh, it was spoiled.

Like, I don't go looking for that stuff. I truly didn't know, but I had a feeling that she won. Just, I did. I don't know why. I was just excited. And so to see it actually come to fruition last night was so special. And I feel like she's so deserving. And that's what made the season fun for me, selfishly.

Now, Jack, tell me if I'm making this up. In her original season where she lost to Michelle Fitzgerald, didn't they do that final challenge with the ball and Michelle won that? Or am I making that up? I don't know. I was thinking about that too. I'm not sure. Let me fact check that real quick.

Because like I know Michelle did that challenge and she won. I was on 40. Was it on it? After from seasons 29 to 50, sometimes it'd be a blur. But I couldn't remember, but I'm like, I remember Michelle doing that challenge. And I wasn't sure if I was like making it up, but I was. just like, what a full circle moment. I think it was a different challenge.

Okay. All right. But I do feel like Michelle's, I think that maybe it was on, I think she won that on 40. Okay. I know that that was a challenge that Kel lost. Okay. The final four. Challenge is hard, but it's also good. It's also so fun to watch because it's like I also stand there where my hand and I be like dropping the ball in.

With where? I was getting in the front of the TV in New York with my hand, I had imaginary ball, and I was just dropping it in. So everything was imaginary? Yes. Did you drop any of them, Bryce? The first time.

I dropped in, I forgot. So it's right, left, right. Somebody was like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm participating. And then they were like, well, the ball would have dropped by now. I'm like, you're talking to me. I mean, props. Maybe my ball is small.

She said she ordered that challenge. Yeah. Which is like not a, because, you know, people would, like, buy the puzzles to practice, but that's a big challenge. It goes to speak to, like, and this pot will be a lot of me just hyping Aubrey up, but that's easy to do.

But it goes to show, it speaks to what she said in a lot of her post-game interviews and also in her final tribal council speech, she studied this game. She truly did remove herself and she came in with as much preparation and as much strategy

as she possibly could. It wasn't just a, oh, yeah, well, I guess I'll go play 50 now. Like, she went in there very strategic from the start.

It wasn't like she just happened to end up at the final tribal. And I think that her, like her seeing that that could possibly maybe be a final four challenge and her going on her, of her way to practice it. And then it, I'm getting chills again.

And then it being the actual challenge and her winning it. I mean, it's just like she, it was meant to be. It was meant to be. And the way I agree to that and the way that I like, I get chills. Because again, I, like, I had my own personal relationship with Aubrey and throughout the years. She's been so amazing to me. And, like, again, I feel like respectfully, like, I'm not deserving of it in the sense of like, I was on survival for a little bit.

and that's it. But like, and I'm not talking like in the resurgence of like Bryce and Wynn. I'm talking about like. The OG. Yes.

The OG during my like, you know, after she played like her love and just like, I'm just like, oh, she's such a real one. She's like, I don't need something from you.

I'm just going to love you. I do a segment called, uh, the purple pants premonitions with my friend Gary DeAndre. Um, why does Aubrey watch that? Why has Aubrey never missed episode? Why does like Aubrey never miss an episode?

Why does like, Aubrey have a relationship with Gary, right? Like, it just speaks to like, I just love Aubrey. But I do want to know, just from the episode, any hot takes? Because I got three hot takes, and they're all over the place.

And so I think you should take it away. Yeah, I got some two brides, but you get the ball rolling and we'll jump in there. I always get the balls rolling check. Okay. This is a, I got three glasses on. All right, ready?

I got three hot. It's from all over the episode. But this one, because I rewatch the episode. Last Jack. Yes. All right. My one hot take is Stephanie LaGrosa. Oh, and you don't even have to finish that.

What's the hot take here? To the hot take about Stephanie would be like that you like her. My hot take is I feel like. she helped him Aubrey a million dollars because like just rewatching that final tribal

and like Jeff's like well ask a question and like I feel like Stephanie was like you know we we clearly know the cloth that she's cut from and who she's rooting for and like the question that she tried

to ask Jonathan I love the way Tiffany said well now wait a minute is this a question and that don't make sense. And then also, shout out to D. Because right after she asked the question,

Dee's like, I just want to make sure her way. He's like gentle parenting her, yeah. Right. Like, uh. Right. So it sounded like she took a page out of your book when you talk about like a Jonathan being like, she's just, he's got hard but soft heads.

And he's like, I want to be the latter, Jonathan. She's like, where's the question of this? She's like, when you're looking for the question. that's cut. Jonathan is the cloth. He's the perfect person. I took the bullet for him. And like, I was just like, girl, what, like,

what does you do? And again, just the basis of the people on the jury being like, and so sometimes I feel like when you ask questions and you want to give the person that you're rooting for and Ali You. I don't think the way to go about it is just like

like, like I feel a lot. I don't know to text my mom and say she can't want because she usually podcast I'm on

and I feel like just skip it. Oh my God. I feel like order here without Wendell. I know. Classic Wendell. I feel like

the way to go about it is how Christian did. To ask the, like, put them in the high seat. Like, set them, like, don't just talk. Okay. You're sure right. No, no, I'm saying I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm saying give them the opportunity to talk. You keep talking. But, like, set them up. Like, say the things that, like, you know, and ask who that bracelet was for. Like, you. Oh, I. That's what he gets for not showing up.

But I'm just saying like don't like and again, I feel like I guess I understood what you were trying to do. But like I don't think it like again, I feel like that was like, oh. It was a lot. It was also, I always find it so interesting when things like that are left in the edit because it's so possible.

I just, so much of this season and when you said a lot of people were unhappy with the final five, my take is we are watching the reality that the editors have created. It can be the truth or it can not be the truth. The truth I don't think is really relevant. It is the reality that we're watching and therefore that reality is the truth, but it is a reality that has been manufactured by the editors. And therefore, what they leave in and what they take out is so intentional.

And so it was so interesting to me that that little like, is there a question in here? that was left in because they didn't need to. They could have cut it halfway through and saved us a little bit of pain, but they didn't end. And so I don't, I think you're right. I think maybe they were,

I think there were two things. I think one, it was honestly, I think it was a little bit of a job at staff. I think to kind of, because it was kind of a pain. It was a bit of a painful watch. And two,

I think it allowed us to see Jonathan through the juror's eyes because instead of the rest of the jury being like absolutely go off total package we love you Jonathan everyone was kind of like ask the freaking question move on and so I think like yes Stephanie may have exacerbated that whole situation with her total package monologue

I think that those feelings who were already present prior to that conversation absolutely from the looks of the jury of her proclaiming those things again. And like you said, everything's intentional. And so there are a lot of people that question Aubrey's game, right? There are a lot of people that question Joe's game.

And so for Aubrey don't want to just bring Joe to the end. And like, again, I think it answers some of those unanswered questions by that, her asking that. and then just the physical reaction of everyone other than who are the two votes from

he got it from staff he got three Stephanie, Chrissy and coach okay it's interesting it this sort of like

introduces an like a jury idea that I feel like we like I haven't touched on before of there's like a weird self-aware as a juror that you sort of need to have

to know that if your argument for someone is actually going to land. For like a Stephanie, it doesn't seem like she really has the respect of most of the jury. And so for her to come out and say all these things, you might actually malign some people like a D and like a Tiffany being like, well, if Stephanie like is loves Jonathan like then I'm not really in the

Jonathan can. Whereas if a Surrey came and was like, I think you played, I think you're the total package. played an amazing. Now, granted, that's a conversation you would probably have at Ponderosa, or say that to them one-on-one because it's like more of a compliment than a question. But if a surrey kind of delivered a similar message, people might be like, damn, Sarie really thinks highly of this person. Like, I can be on board with that. So it's sort of like you have to know your

perception within the jury to know if your argument for certain people is actually going to, like, help. So funny you say that. So funny. Anybody seen any accept? press today? I know, but please share. But also, Jack, that statement is true, but then it also makes me a little nervous because where has been

in my head this whole season is this statement. I love gay people. I forgot. I forgot about that. Sorry. The way I have flashes of it.

It's also. so ironic that Stephanie said she had a question coming. Question never came. It was more evidence. She doesn't know how to finish her sentences, right? Um, two things. One, that's what I'm saying

about the editing. She might have asked a question and we just didn't see it. Okay. Two? When you were talking about maybe if Ceree said that she thought that Jonathan played the best game, that maybe people would be more inclined to listen to that argument. I don't really watch preseason press. I don't read any of that. I don't really ever listen to exit press.

I can't remember the last time I listened to exit press. But today, today, I'm going to walk down the beach and join the sun. And what comes across my feed? Oh, an interview with Jonathan. And I am under the impression that we like Jonathan, right? Like Aubrey said that they would, you know, they would be like close all season. All of a sudden,

he's on his soapbox telling everybody that it was a bitter jury. He knows he should have won. He thinks that if this is fair, oh, guys, it is crazy tea. If this is fair, he doesn't know what to say. It was insanity. And then he goes on to say that he thinks that the reason that Aubrey won is because Surrey is the one that convinced everybody at Ponderosa. And I got a lot of thoughts on that.

First of all, she just got there. A hundred percent. Also, how disrespectful to the rest of the jurors to assume that Surrey is going to walk in and say, so everybody's voting for Aubrey. And then I'm going to follow that up with poor jury management, get a journal, cry in it. Like, are you joking? Insanity, insanity to get up, whatever, get on this. call interview to cry and say, I should have won. It's a bitter jury and my game was better. I couldn't have done anything else. He says, I could not have done anything else. I think I played

the perfect game. Why are you asking to play a third time, bro? Apparently your perfect game didn't win. Like crazy behavior, you guys. And I think the fact that he's saying that Surrey is at honorosa getting everybody to vote for Aubrey, looks like Aubrey had better jury management and better relationships than you. Yeah, I was going to say, that could be a factor. Like, jurors do converse and like when people over, but like.

I don't think anybody on that jury is stupid. I don't think I'm that. And it's like, well, if you know Ceree is going to be influential, then maybe have like a, maybe be friends of Cary. Or? Maybe y'all should have sent her an invite to their Zoom call.

Just saying, and listen, and that's all I'm saying. Like, maybe, maybe the Zoom call. And you know, like, you know why I feel like I can say this? Because I have stayed consistent my entire, like my entire podcasting career. Hell of. That's funny career, but whatever.

My entire podcasting career, I say the same thing. There is one winner. And no matter what, that person deserved to win. They convinced the majority of people to give them a million, two million. And I can say that because guess what? Chris Underwood is the winner of my season. And so I said his wife last night and they're fabulous. But it's like I've said it every single time.

So it's not just because Aubrey won. It's not. And I am deeply biased. But I have stayed consistent my entire time that whoever gets the majority of the votes is the deserving winner of that season. You can personally think that X, Y, and Z had a better game. but you're not on the jury. So your opinion doesn't really matter.

And let me add to that. Because I've been critical, well, one, I feel like my bias of when I watch Survivor, I'm relatively consistent. This season, Lauren, the posse that watches us when we started, they were very critical of like Window and I and Jack, because he's an alum, but they was like on Survivor News,

sometimes when y'all favorites or your friends and they're always like you throw parties and like you know you have you want to keep an honest relationship or like so they always say that we're a little we don't we're not honest right

we're just if something were to happen to somebody that we're friends with there's always a butt right and so this season I've been pause through the wall I've been very like I was very critical of Surrey I was very critical of like

and I love Sarie and so like I've been very critical and like saying the things that maybe they say I wouldn't normally say I do feel like throughout the season and again I'm you know I jerked the chickens and

I will say Jonathan's game has improved he played a solid game I'm not like right and I like I see it like you know you you did. But like my, my one critique of Jonathan is like you played a very like, you played a one lane game.

And yeah, it got you to the end, but Yelaine didn't have any exits. Your lanes didn't have any stop signs. It didn't have any U-turns. And so like, where there are nuances. And like, I think Stephanie said, like a very old school game. And for me, I just kind of also, I felt like that was kind of like a dog whistle. bit like, well, what do you mean by old school? Like, you mean when there was like one token black person, one token Latino, maybe one gay, like, not to the defense.

I think she just meant like chopping coconuts and fishing and shit. Well, right, but that kind of speaks to a level of then who is normal, what type of player is doing that? Normally a buff man, right? And so, like, that's what I'm saying where it's like,

yeah, you, like, Jonathan, he evolved. He definitely got to the end well deserving. But again, I think that there were nuances of games that Aubrey played relationships that she had. Yes, she wasn't making

flashy moves, but like while you were, while sometimes you are people don't give the bottom enough credit, okay? They don't. We, Kendall needs to be here to rain. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying it. It's a power bottom, right? I think the thing is, I don't think people give enough credit to how difficult it is to play the middle successfully. And I think that Surrey really articulated that correctly. And I also texted Kelly what it happened. I said, Surrey has spoken. Because I do feel like people value her opinion in a way that maybe they're not going to value my opinion by saying, hey, play in the middle is difficult. Play in the middle is difficult to play consistently.

And to be able to go from one. place to another to be able to have Surrey vote for you. You vote for Surrey win. Surrey turn around and be your biggest advocate. I think that that gameplay in specifically is enough for me to be like, look at her social game. But also look at Ozzy. When Ozzy got out of the game and his exit press, Ozzy was clearly emotional, right? Exit press.

So that's months later. I can only imagine what Ozzy was like when he got out of the game, like on the island, right? And Ozzy still voted for Aubrey. And all things considered, Aubrey's the reason that he ended his game. And so, like, I just feel like it speaks to something more survivor. It's not just getting to the end. It's like sometimes. You must make the jurors like you.

like point blank period sorry no one is giving two million dollars to someone they don't like and i don't know because i did not speak to every juror individually but it looked to me that the jurors did not like you jonathan sorry i don't know what to tell you like it like it just is what it is your game wasn't as valued or they did not like you as much as they valued aubrey's game or they liked abry and i just hate the argument that it was a bitter jury. No, you had poor jury management, bro. What else?

Like, it is what it is. Get over. Oh, my God. It drives me insane. I always like getting, winning Survivor is it. And again, take, so let's use this same subject that we're, or the same subject matter that we're using. And take it to Aubrey's first season with Michelle Fitzgerald.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and again, people. This is, and I'm also one of those people where, don't get me wrong, I love Aubrey, right? And I love Michelle. And I think Michelle, a thousand percent won that season, right? But I also, I'm like, well, damn, like, we, the people watching it's like, well, Aubrey did play a good game. But in this same token, what did Michelle have over Aubrey in that sense? Absolutely.

They liked Michelle or they liked Michelle's game better. And I have always said, and Aubrey said, she's like, actually, to your point, Bryce, and I think it's important to know, you are allowed to believe I should have won. I thought I had a great game. I thought my game was better than Aubrey's. You're allowed to believe that. I think maybe you should keep that to yourself and write it in your journal, and you should maybe not come across super bitter in your exit press. because at the end of the day,

you didn't do enough to win. Like, that truly is just the core of it. And you can think your game was better and you can argue all you want. But these don't agree with you. They value something different. I think that I've got like a lot of thoughts on it. Yes, well, give it to us. Yeah.

I mean, first and foremost, Bryce, I do agree with you. Like, I think Jonathan really did his homework and, like, came in and played a wrong game. And you could tell, like, him going into fire before Jeff even spoiled it, I was like, I just feel like God is the type where he lost fire in 42. He's probably been practicing fire like every day since that. I was like, you know he's going to crush it. And he did play a really good game.

But I think to Lawrence point, I think sort of what his exit press is maybe like representative of is the short-sightedness and maybe some of those biases that he might hold, like, you know, subconsciously that are the reason that he lost to begin with where he might, you know, not to say that he wasn't working, we saw him working with like, Surrey and Tiffany and things like that. Yeah, working with Aubrey. Well, yeah, I mean, the same cloth. But, you see, like, you know, I think you look at it like, okay, if you're on the jury

and you are like a D or a Tiffany or whatever, and you've seen him, you know, you see someone whose closest alliance the whole time was like the cloth. I mean, that could be a reason that someone's not going to really want to like align themselves by like by voting for you. And I think we also see other moments where whether it was in 42 or not to

not say that he hasn't changed since then but even like in some of the arguing with Tiffany at final five, it sounds like there was some things that were cut out that were also rub people the wrong way. And so and not to, you know, I might not

the ideal messenger for this, but it's like, there are certain, like, I think him saying these things in exit press sort of encapsulates maybe the things that he's overlooking when he's on the island about like what he could be doing better to like forge those relationships. I think it comes down to because exactly what you just said about what he said to TIF. I think wraps it up is it's not that I don't think that he's allowed to feel that way. It's not that I don't think that he's allowed to genuinely believe his game was better than Aubrey's. I think that there needs to be a level of respect for both the people you played with and the jurors in general to understand. I don't feel like I could have done anything else. I'm

frustrated. I'm sad. But I'm not going to go out and attack. I'm not going to go out and say it's up for the survivor fans to decide if this was fair. Yeah. Shift the blame to the other people is like the whole reason like well you're not being aware of if you knew what you can do differently

you maybe would have done those things differently on the island exactly. Exactly. And so the reason I bring up the tip is because I think that if what has been said he said which was like I'm voting for you because you're a girl I actually think if you kind of extrapolate all of the maybe bad nuances to that,

I think is a valid point in that Tiff and Joe are not one to one. You can't, Joe against Jonathan is a completely different game and a completely different fight than a Jonathan to Tiff. And one of the aspects of that

is that Tiff is female. And so she is going to She is going to end, but is going to speak to the ways and she's just going to speak to things differently than Joe would and people are going to either

they're going to react to her differently than they would to Joe just in general in life and so I can see what his thought process was his delivery sometimes I'm not saying his his delivery or

his thought process was correct or good but I get where he's coming from he's just he's not his social game in that aspect is lacking. And I think that that's what it comes down to. And to add some color to what I've heard was like maybe cut out since we're talking about.

I just want to make sure like we're relaying it correctly for like this conversation. It sounded like, and this wasn't, I didn't hear this like secondhand or first hand from Tiff or anything. I just heard this like through the internet or whatever was that Jonathan like Tiffany asked Jonathan. Jonathan was saying he wanted Tiffany out because she had won three. challenges. I think Tiffany was like, well, Joe won three challenges. Why are you not voting him out instead? We've won the same amount of challenges. And I think Jonathan said, because you're a woman, it's different. And now I can get being like, you know, Joe's a behemoth guy. Maybe there's an expectation on the jury that he's going to win a lot of challenges.

Tiff is not a behemoth, you know, but she's extremely athletic. So perhaps I see Jonathan being like, It is more impressive that TIF has been crushing these challenges. But I think simplifying that down to being like, you're a woman. It's different. Obviously, probably probably rubs people the wrong way. But I think that sounded like what maybe that was the prime component of the conversation. That's exactly what I heard. And that's the point is it's like saying it's because you're a woman.

Really bad delivery, bro. But I get what he's saying in that it is just a fact, unfortunately, just in life that the jury is not going to see Joe and Tiffany through the same eyes. And that's just the, that's for an array of reasons too. A wide. Right. That's 100%.

But I think he was like boiling it down to what he was not able to say for the fact that you are engaging in funny and brilliant and smart and you have great social strategy. And you're a black woman. Yes. Yeah. 100% I'll say it And so like that

That in my opinion That's a lot of what I take from it But I do also Another hot take that I do want to jump on Is Tiffany and Joe I feel like We didn't see a lot of Tiffany In the beginning of the season

And then in the last two episodes The train started moving And throughout any time that we have seen Tiffany, right? When she's wronged or when she's gone through something, she's rather composed. But after the start of the episode, Tiffany said, F this, ish, I'm done, right? And I think that, like, Tiffany kind of realized

her fate of, like, with the four that are left and me, like, it is what it is. And if this is what it is, then F you, F you, F you. Aubrey was like, can we talk? Tiff, like, what are we talking about. Okay. Riz came to her and was like, listen, this is why I'm voting for you. And Tiffany, like, okay, so is there anything I could do to change your mind? And the Riz got us like, no, and simply like, why are we having this conversation? But, love that. But again, why, what I found so funny is like, and also pop off Tiff, right? Because sometimes it's like, as a person of color, like, I can only,

I'm a marginalized community. I'm a part of a marginalized community. And I can only imagine Tiffany as a marginalized person of a marginalized community out there. Sometimes you're always trying to like hold yourself to a higher standard. You're always trying to be like, let me. But I also feel like sometimes you got to just say fuck it.

And like I, again, great gameplay, no. But sometimes you get to a point and you just got to say fuck it. And like Tiffany let them have it. But for me, the thing that I was cracking up the most about was the next more than Joe

of all people. And I say this only to say because it's like one of the other biggest fights this season was a Rick Devons and a Joe. And we have seen and we have heard that like the snippet

that we got was just that a snippet. And so like for Joe to be like, So he like, it's just the game, what's you doing? Girl,

you can't lose your game like that. The Survivor. And then it's just like, and again, I love Joe. And I get his point, but like, I just,

oh, that was. Yeah, you're, that's so true. Yeah. On the Tiff, on the TIF topic first,

it is a tragedy. We did not get more of her. And I said this recently. I'm like, I met Tiff for the first time at a Bryson one party in San Diego. within two minutes, I said she is hilarious. She is so well-spoken.

She's so, like, I just am obsessed with everything she's saying and everything that, like, she is. And she's so welcoming and so kind. And, like, I'm like, I want to watch seven seasons of her. And so the fact that we never saw, not never, but we saw so little of her in the first few episodes was upsetting. I'm like, I want to see, I want to see tips take on this because I know that it's funny and I know that it's probably right.

So that's my quick take. I also just realized in this moment, oh my God, I forgot. Tiff, me, you, and Jack, we put Jack in charge of, we put Jack and Ashley, Tiffany did. This is Tiffany for him. Tiffany put Jack in charge of, hey,

we're going to go out, okay? Jack is a young man, and Jack, Jack, looking for one thing or one thing only and that's a good time. Jack took us to this one spot. And mind you, it was fine. It was great.

I took it to this one spot. This is a lot of, you're giving me way too much responsibility. You did, though, Jack. We were just walking along the street. I remember. Jack, we, Jack, Google, as we were walking, we're like, we go here.

Jack's like, no, up the street, up the street. We're like, okay, this is another spy. or Jack like, no, up the street, up the street. This is not good. We got to the spot. Mind you, the spot, we made the best of it. But like, you know, after 10 minutes to try to like that was the most fun spot available

on a Wednesday night and same year. Then I did a little research and I said, well, listen, everybody like a little hookah. The hookah spot was where it was at. But I got before we went to the, wasn't that before you? I said, I would like some pancakes of cinnamon roll and a french dip. possible. And so I did my duty and I brought everybody to the 24 hour diner to get a cinnamon roll on a french dip to

8. I was mad. Has their role. And I played mine perfectly. Why did I just forget about that random ass night? That was an electric. Not is 2 a.A. in the morning and I got everybody O'Hooka, okay?

Well, we did it two nights in a row. We were there Tuesday first and then we needed to get a Wednesday. all of this I love to from the second I met her and knew like I was so freaking excited to see her on season 50 because she is so electric like I said this about Kelly too of you watch Kelly Boerith and you're like oh she's amazing and I go she is a thousand percent more magical in person I feel that way about Tiff I think like I love to down and she has he's never been anything but so freaking nice and kind to me and I feel that way about Tiff I think like I love Tiff down and she is he's never been anything but so freaking nice and kind to me and I feel that I feel that way. I will root for her in everything. And I'll let's say she should have had more investional. But what it does go to show, like, back to your original statement, Lauren, of like the editor's point of view, right? And so we're seeing this from the editor's point of view on whoever the editors are.

Like, they do a great job, but I'm like, I just, you know, I like to see more. I like to see. Maybe let's switch up the editor. I'm going to vote. Yeah, listen. It's really easy. Maybe it should have been in the hands. Instead of the fans, it should have been in the hands of different editors.

But, like, all respect, they did a good job. But the only thing that I will say, though, right, is that we didn't see a lot of TIF. And then all of a sudden we see this assurgeons in TIF. But we also see, like, when it was time for Ozzy to go, we see TIF leading the charge, right? Like, we see TIT, and we're like, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute, what's going on? And then later in this episode or early in the episode, we see the every day. Everyone's like, we can't sit next to Tiff. We can't like.

And so again, it leads me to believe what else? Oh, she's, she's been playing a game that Jory would love. Like, whoa, why why? Why? I would have loved to see that, right? Like, you know, now I just, you disagree what you think, Jack. Yeah, I don't know if this is like a hot, because I love TIF. Like, that's, I don't.

So obviously, the more Tiff, the merrier. but I did feel like and maybe just this is like from knowing her, but I feel like I got sort of what like we see multiple times and maybe it's not always through TIF's POV

but people, even when they split on D and TIF nobody wanted to vote for TIF. So it's like, okay, Tiff's doing something. Her social game's really strong and I felt like, you know, obviously early on we did not see a lot of TIF

but once she's, and she didn't really go to tribal, but once we started to get more of her around like the end of the premurge, I feel like we got a consistent dose of TIF. Granted, even she gets fifth place and was potentially the other major competitor with Aubrey would have liked to see more in that sense. But when it comes to like those early episodes, it's like, look, they know she's going

to be around until five. And just on paper, legacy-wise, there's a lot of other players in there that go out sooner that had a lot of big legacies that they have to showcase a little bit more. Again, I would have been happy with more TIF, but I did feel like I understood why why she was seen to be a threat. And now I think it could have been fleshed out a little bit more, but I felt like I knew why she was dangerous for the, you know, to sit next to you. I agree with you.

And I think my thing is I just find Tiff entertaining. And so I think I would like to see her more. I agree with you in that we saw Tiff more comparative to the beginning of the season. but I think the edit in this final episode, we were made then to believe that Tiff had to fall in order for Aubrey to win. That was the kind of narrative they were selling to us. So if Tiff has to fall for Aubrey to win, Tiff must be a giant. So why do I not feel like she is the number one threat?

We have to get her out. If she sits next to us, we are all done for that I might feel like she is. a threat, but I did not feel like she was the threat. And the narrative that they gave us in that last episode was, we got to get TIF out and the, the confessionals we were getting were setting up Aubrey to win. The second we kind of were getting those, that Tiff or Aubrey, Tiff or Aubrey,

it was like, okay, well, if Tiff goes home, Aubrey wins. So Tiff had to fall for Aubrey to win. And I didn't feel convinced that Tiff was the, threat the threat because of the edit that needed to fall in order to give season 50 winner to Aubrey. Agreed. I think that's a very fair point.

Yes, that that's, you ate that. And if we follow the edit, right, like we've seen a lot less of TIF and we've seen a lot more of Jonathan, Joe, and Aubrey. And so me as a viewer, I would then think they're going to cannibalize on Joe, Jonathan, and Aubrey are not a Tiff. And so, yeah, I completely agree with that. But again, shout out to Tiff. She played an amazing game.

She looked amazing. I was just going to look like, eats every freaking time. Every time I see her. Last week, I was texting her. And I was like, I don't know what you, what you wearing for the finale. But whatever outfit you're going for, step it up even more. And Tip was like, I needed that.

Thank you. She looked absolutely. amazing love sip. And I also makeup, hair, boom, she serves. I also,

can we talk about the Riz God? Right? Because listen, I'm a Riz God fan. I love the Riz God. I think the Riz God

he did his thing. There is some discourse in the survivor community of like how well the Riz God did, whether or not he actually was a threat to win, this and that.

And I think, I think I said last season that, or last episode, me being such a fan of the Riz God, like, one, I would have loved the Riz got to win. I would have loved Tiffany to win. I would have loved Aubrey to win. I almost the fan in me, right? Like, because this has been a season of like us kind of like retiring the goats, where it's like, I almost don't, I didn't want the Riz to win because I almost like want an Arbyard.

Right. Like I want to see the Riz play again. I want to see this and that. But, like, I definitely think Riz's age had a lot to do with it, how he kind of, like, started the game of him being like, it's the Riz God, I love you. I looked up to you. You were great. You're amazing.

And I think a lot of people that absolutely lowered his threat level. And I think it made it hard for him, maybe with the seasoned jury that we have, for them to, like, look at his game and for, formidable way. And I don't want to be biased, but I do want to say, I don't know what a jury looks like. I don't know what a merge looked like. I don't know what episode three looked like.

But from my perspective, I think Riz's game was absolutely formidable. And like, sure, some tweaking here and there. But I love the Riz. And like, again, sad to see him go out. But I think he did his thing. I would love to know, like, what's your thoughts on the Red's side? It's funny you say that because Kelly and I literally had this conversation as I was trying me down to L.A.

My opinion on this is that I don't think there was ever any chance whatsoever that Rizzo wins this season. And that has nothing to do with gameplay. I'm talking walking into this season. He is an unknown entity and he should have been voted out first given his. history, given what happened to Savannah. I think that he is playing zero something. Like he did not have a chance. So I think now the next step, and I'm sure this is not what he was thinking, but I'm looking at it this way. He needs to get to the end somehow. He has no alliances. He doesn't know any of these people. He is walking in seven days fresh off his last game that they know nothing about.

So what does he do? He goes and he makes a tight alliance with Surrey and Ozzy. Who people that not only are never going to see him as a threat and therefore never feel the need to vote him out, but two people that are always going to be a bigger shield throughout the game. In order to win the game, you have to be at the end. So I look at his game, and I don't know if this is how he was looking at it, but I look at his game as, how do I get to the end? I don't care how I do it, but how do I find a way not knowing any of these people, not having any prior reputation, not having any prior relationship,

how do I get to the end? And I think he did a fantastic job, maneuvering and building relationships in a way that got him as far as he possibly could. I mean, if he knew how to make fire, he would have been in the final three. So I think that is incredible. I don't think he ever.

He could have literally played the most perfect game in the entire world. I think Aubrey said it perfectly. That jury was never giving $2 million to a kid, and they were never giving it to an unknown. and they just weren't. So getting that far, I think is amazing and deserves to be recognized as a success, in my opinion. I'm with you.

When you had people like Stephanie, going back to her, like, and one of her things is like an old school player, right? Riz is never like, like, he's never, old school player, he wasn't even bored. Right? And so, again, you just have to keep it. mind that that is some, just to speak what you're saying, like that's some of the jury's qualification. Absolutely. And they get to feel that way. And they get to value what they value. And that's why they vote for who they vote for. And that's why I truly believe that he never in a

million, I think it was a disservice to put him on this season for him, although it ended up great. Like, I think it could have gone really badly. I think it went as well as it possibly could. And I think like no notes. Because not only. do now, if you come back, and I do think he will, have this, first of all, learn how to make freaking fire. But, like, dear God, but you have this great story and you've built this resume and you're friends with Surrey, God, I mean, like, could it have gone any better? I genuinely think it was the single best case scenario because not only, like, he, I don't know, I don't know that he would have gotten any votes in Final Tribal. Because of his gameplay,

it's just because the perceptions. And it's the reality of, I think, season 50. I mean, I have a lot of thoughts on Rizzo. The main sentiment, well, I think he played a great game. I'm very in alignment with Lauren and I think you, you, Bryce. And I've been saying since early on, coming in, sort of like you said, nobody knows him. He's an unknown entity. He's kind of in a tricky spot.

I think he played it perfectly by leaning into sort of like the young, earnest, maybe a little naive super fan that everyone could just keep around because he was like a fan of theirs and like he's going to be agreeable. And I think that helped him get his footing early on. And with that being said, that strategy then makes it hard. You're sort of lowering your threat level intentionally. It is now very hard if you get to the end to muster votes. Granted, I do think a Jonathan Rizzo Joe final three I think is at least interesting I'm with you I think Rizzo could I was assuming that Aubrey was sitting at the end

I don't mean he's not going to beat Aubrey but if it's Jonathan Joe Rizzo and he has if he gets like Ceres blessing I think he's got a fighting chance and that to be within one you know challenge essentially of that scenario I think he played his cards really really well and again the alternative of this for him to have more respect on the jury is for him to come in and be like,

I'm one of you guys. Like you guys haven't even seen my season, but I'm a dog. Like, I play hard. And if he went that route, I think he would have just played himself out like in the first four votes. So obviously I think the route that he went was the best,

like you said, Lauren, the best way for him to get to the end, see what happens. And then also there's sort of this meta component of like, you get to the end, you cement more of a legacy for yourself. Maybe now you come back in the future.

And it would be, interesting to see Rizzo now on another season where people have not only seen one of his games but two of his games and know he's tricky and crafty and like I think he'll have a lot of respect on another season where if he gets to the end he might be the biggest threat

Can I also add what I think one of my favorite parts about a Rizzo lore is if and when he ever plays again, right? The way his threat level is kind of like it's so low right where it's like his game

Obviously, with the idol move, it's super, super, super flashy, right? But it's not like a surrey. It's not like a, like, I feel like it's almost similar to an Aubrey's game in the sense that if he were to come back again, I think it would be very easy for him to assimilate, for him to work with people and get to the end again, right? Like, because it's not like it's like he beasted his way. He was just big, like, I don't know.

It's something like the humbleness, the kid of it all, it sets him up for greatness. Also, I don't know if I was the only person that noticed this, but like the one thing that I will always love about a Riz God is that like Riz God is a fan true and true and true and true and true again. Look at this photo of Riz God being eliminated, right? Do you all notice anything? He's so smiley. Yes. Also, look at that book bag. You know the Riz God collected every treat it, every piece of thing that he could because why is his book bag filled by everything?

You know, you want me tell you why their book bags are so big? You want me tell you why their bookbags are big? Tell me. Because these people are getting a bunch of clothes now. I'm telling you, they're all warm. And I've got beef with it because I'm in a bra and underwear freezing my ass off on that beach every night. And these people have these huge ass backpacks, which I noticed in the last season or in the last episode, they're coming up to this challenge. Everyone's like.

There's more back. And I'm like, I know he didn't need to steal things from the island to go to this challenge. It's clothing. And I've got this. Not only is it clothing. Like he went to Joe and was like, can I get your shorts? Can I get this? The man got his water bottle.

Rizzo, they send it to you. Okay. Bris got packed his bag. I mean, like, I think he's got actual books in there. He's on his way back to flash. Like he's got, he's got, he's got freshman year after this season. Have a period? Do you know how old he is?

Yeah, he's 25. Okay, so I was going to ask if you didn't know how old he was, how old do you think he is? 16. No, and I think what I was going to say about you saying his threat level is low, I think it's because he presents so young. I think he, and I think he is very smart, but because of how he chooses to kind of present himself, he comes across as almost like, kind of naive, a little bit like, oh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just a big fan boy. Right.

But it is also juxtaposed with this R-I-Z-G-O-D, like, con-ed-old. But that's why it works, though, right? I know. I'm like, child, Kobe ain't never going to get this work done. But it's like, he's smart. I love it. I'm like, if it was just him all the time being like,

R-I-Z-G-O-D, I'd be like, somebody get this kid off my screen. But there is something about how authentic. Dick it feels when it's juxtaposed with that kind of vulnerability. Child-like joy that he exhibits when he plays. Emotion and like his like he's his right. You said his vulnerability. Like again, we love we love R as E GOD got over here.

I know. I had to. It was like a nice spelling this right. I don't actually know. Every time I say it, I question myself. I'm like, is it two z's? But let's get to the last person, right? So let's talk about Joe. Now, hear me out. I can't wait. Joe is on the current Zaddy calendar. I love Joe. We know Joe has been going on a blocking spree.

He's been blocking a lot. You get blocked. No, Joe love me. Okay, Joe ain't, listen. I love him. Joe understands my humor. And, like, I think for me, he, like, you know, whatever, I love it.

But hear me out. Can't wait. Be careful. You might get blocked. I don't want to get blocked. All I'm saying is, is that I knew, we was in trouble when like people started asking questions

for everybody to answer and like when questions start getting asked and then like they really only asking it to Aubrey and Jonathan then people got rebuttles and then like I was a little nerd I was like oh Joe it's not looking good but looking at Joe's art

right and again Joe is he's not like a risk god but in my mind he played back to back right like you know he played back to back seasons He had Eva with him, and we felt like it was a hindrance. Like, not a hindrance, but like we felt like Joe was like, I'm attached to her. I got to do like, and so like we're like, okay. And so for season 50, we're looking at Joe like, now is your chance to like release it and play a different game.

But I think what we have learned is that like the Joe that was playing with Eva is that's Joe. We even see with Joe helping Riz with the fire. Joe's like, I got to help. And like my thing of a Joe is, is that I think he could have had a fighting chance. If even let's just go back three, two episodes, if he could have like just acknowledged like, honor and integrity. It's not just honor and integrity, right? Like your honor and integrity could just be for yourself and your family. And it's like, say he would have jumped ship with Tiffany and got rid of Aubrey.

And I feel like the type of game that Joe has played, we know how much that means to him. And so I feel like a move like him voting out of Aubrey or a move of him voting out of Jonathan, right? And then him sitting there and being like, y'all know how I feel about this. How much this meant to me. I and given the position that he holds, I feel like that could have struck a chord with a lot of jury people. And like, again, I feel like with Joe,

it's like, it don't take a lot because it's like we know what you stand for. And like just a simple move of you just come into your sense. Like, wait a minute, I'll get this $2 million. I think it went a long way for a Joe's game. Although I did really appreciate him coming in and saying like when coach kind of threw him a question of

like you know I value honor and integrity but I did I was lying like he's like I lied to Tiffany I lied to multiple people I it was a little too little too late right but I thought there was because we've seen people in the past like a coach who are all about the honor and integrity

get to the jury and keep preaching it even though that's not what they did Joe was like I did lie like and he kind of accepted he didn't articulate it well enough of like like Emily was explaining his game better than he explained his own game. But I respected him being like, I did do what I had to do. What's your take, Lauren?

My take was that it felt because of the edit, extremely hypocritical because I did not see this side. Like all of a sudden we're getting these professionals from Joe of like, that's it. I don't care about anything. I'm going to do everything I can to win versus in previous episodes we're getting honor and integrity, Joe. So it felt like this 180 of, wait, now I'm going to turn it on.

And that feels too little too late. I'm not saying he wasn't doing that. I'm just saying as a viewer, I didn't see that. And so when we get to him at final tribal being like, I lied to her and I lied to her, it's like, what is your story? Like, what's your story? And I say all that to say, I love Joe. Joe is genuinely so kind and has been so kind to me. in situations he did not have any reason to need to be kind to me.

So welcoming. I like, I root for Joe in everything. I think he is such a gracious loser. Like what he said at the reunion, what he said at, I don't know, Good Morning America,

whatever they were on this morning. He is a phenomenal person. I don't know if Survivor is maybe his game because he's such a phenomenal person. Yeah. But me, the edit, like him saying those things and being like I lied. I didn't see that. I never saw any of that.

So it felt like a complete agree. Forking the road who we've... For me though, the thing that like the only thing that I took issue with, Joe, like you said, he acknowledged he's lying to Tiffany.

But like, you weren't really locked in with Tiffany. So it's like that, like, for me, it's like I want the lie to, I want the call to come from within the house. Right? Like, it's like, that's what... Look, I'm not saying he like turned his old game around

and like really locked in. I just, I respected as far as to be like, because I think we've, like I said, we've seen with players like this before where I think even him in 48 kind of got to final travel and he sort of got trapped being like, I was very honorable and had integrity and didn't lie. And then people would be like, well,

you kind of lied here and he was sort of stuck. Like, oh, at least now he was like, hey, not, you know, his game wasn't great, but he's like, I started lying. Like, I started playing the game. And he's still alerted. He's playing. survivor with the training wheels on a little bit,

but he's, you know, at least acknowledging like, I'm playing. Yeah. That's so fair. Bryce, I thought what you said about Emily and her statement was so true because it was such a powerful statement. And maybe if he had taken that route of you're calling it babysitting,

I'm having you guys come to me and run the votes through me. Yeah. And you guys didn't even know you were doing that. I don't think that's what necessarily was happening. Or I don't think he was doing that. on purpose, but that is true. Emily's right. They kept including him. They didn't have to keep including him.

The thing that survivor is you can, in fact, vote people off the island. So, like, the babysitting was not forced. Right. Here's my thing, right? Like, I feel like after seeing the season, and this is me personally, after seeing the season of Jonathan, like, ah, I don't need to see another Jonathan go around, right? However, with a Joe, and maybe I'm biased, okay, it's the end of the season.

let me be biased. With a Joe, right? Like, I want to see a Joe again. Only because it's like, I want to see, will you? Yeah. What you're going to do? Like, because again, can you, I just, in my mind, it's just my mind.

I want to see a, I want to see a season of Joe just lying from the get-go. Yeah, I would. So, if he came to do that, I would be sign me up. But you throw Joe on another season. Do you actually think we get that, though? Like, I don't need, I don't need another season of the same job. He's got to sign a contract that says he's not allowed to use towards honor and integrity.

And at least every other vote, he has to have lied. And then, yes. But I genuinely stand by my previous statement. I think that Joe is innately too good of a person. Agree. I realize, too, like, just kind. Like, he has, like, a bleeding heart for people. and it is a difficult thing when you are in this highly emotional environment with these people that feel like your pseudo family because you've been living with them, yet you know you can't trust them because at the end of the day, they're going to vote you out to win a million dollars, two million dollars, and feeling like, oh my gosh, how do I extrapolate real life from game life and how do I lie when that's not my personality?

And I think what I love about Joe is we, you said we kind of questioned what role Eva played with him in his first season. And then we realized that's just Joe. I like that about Joe. I love that that's Joe. I love that that scene we see with him and Eva was not performative. I love that he is just Joe, whether that's good survivor or not, whether that means he. And that's the point right there, right?

It's like, we can also. we can also be honest. Yeah. Survivor doesn't always show everybody. You can love the show, but like it doesn't always put you in the best light, right? And so like, and I think for the person that he is, it doesn't. But this is what I will say. He's a fireman, right?

And that speaks to it. Like, he's risking. His job is to risk his life. And there have been many of times and many of days that I had. He said, someone give me the burner. Okay. Many a day. girl I thought of seven.

You're in the car. Come get me, Joe. This is insane. My house is on fire. Joe, Bryce, again. Again, man. This is insane. I'm starting with my underwear.

The underwear is on fire. I'm in the shower and the water's off, so I don't know how to get out. Can you come get me? Joe, I'm naked in the bed. And my streets is on fire. Come get me. Bryce, I'm hanging up.

We're going to. No, I think I am maybe not always the best survivor commentator because I will always, always, always, I will always root for people that I think are kind and good people. But I can also say I don't know that Joe's personality and Joe's integrity lends to a game. So unless he's going to sign a game of survivor that's going to win, so unless he's going to sign the contract that says he'll lie every single day. and he will never use the words on our integrity throughout the 26 days that he is on that island. I don't know that we see him again. It sort of reminds me of like Ben Dreibergan when in Winners at War, Ben kind of gave his spot up to, like, for Sarah to move forward a little bit. He was sort of like, you can vote me out.

And I remember being like really critical of that and like critical of a lot of Ben's gameplay, being like this, you know, especially back down. I was like, this is bad survivor. This is antithetical to the game. You said you got at the time? Did you think it's a bad survivor? I mean, it is bad survivor, but what I... Sorry, can you say that again? You think it's bad, you think it's bad survivor.

It was like bad survivor gameplay, for sure. That's interesting because I feel like a lot of people tend to think that someone on this season, who I think plays a similar game of, like, finding idols, is good survivor gameplay. Well, okay. I mean, I'm referencing winners at war that where Ben was not really finding a lot of items.

Okay. Okay. Separately. But what I sort of came around to thinking is like Ben did that because of his relationships with like Sarah and with, and to him, those bonds to him meant more than like winning.

And obviously bad survivor, but I'm like, that's just you, being a good person and like caring about people. And it's like you can't really knock someone. And this is that's the comparison I draw to Joe is like, you can never really knock someone. You can be like his game's not great, but you can't knock him as a guy because he's so good that

his goodness is making it hard for him to play good survivors. So that's sort of the comparison I draw. There's a couple, I mean, we've been going a while. We've kind of covered everybody. There's a few things I want to still discuss. One of them is, you know, that final five challenge,

TIF was one piece away. and it was really devastating when she lost, if she wins that challenge, how do you guys feel like things? I mean, I'd have to guess that Aubrey probably goes at five. I don't. I don't think she is.

You don't think it's Riz because... He had an idol. He had an idol. That's right. So I don't think Jonathan and Joe will vote for each other. I think it's Aubrey. I would bet the house that Aubrey would go at five. Okay, let's talk it through.

So Tiff has a necklace, right? So she's safe. Rizzo. If he can only play it for himself, which is also, I think, dumb. You lose a lot of the intrigue of, like, the options. Are we can play an idol for himself? The idols is the season you can, you only play for yourself, which is so, like, Billy Eilish. But I like that.

It limits us with, like, our options. And so it makes it. Wait, but it's better to have more options. Right. Well, you know, okay. Because I wanted to see Rizzo have a dilemma of like, should I play my idol on Tiff and make a move here. But he doesn't even have the option to. I think Jonathan

goes to. How does Jonathan go? Like, Tiffany knows that Tiffany and Rizzo know Aubrey's a bigger threat than John. Oh, that's right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I think, I think I think Aubrey goes unanimously. I think it comes down. Let me see. So

what's Rizzo? Aubrey probably targets Jonathan. I think there is a world in which Aubrey and Rizzo I think it comes down to what Riz, who Rizzo felt like. I mean, Rizzo, I don't know who exactly said it, but there was a conversation at four where

it seemed like all the boys, Rizzo, Jonathan, and Joe, that was their ideal final three. But they didn't want to sit with Aubrey. So, knowing that Rizzo would rather sit with Jonathan and Joe, I think it's clear that you thought, Aubrey. And Tiffany still pissed at Aubrey from last night. And so

it's like she would need to go. Well, like Timp just knows, I think Aubrey's the biggest threat. Right. It's a bigger threat. So Aubrey goes in five, and then Who was the final, who was Aubrey against at the end of that challenge? Joe, the final two of the final four challenge? Yeah. I think Tiff could take that too.

So it's like, oh. Oh, that's a, oh. Oh, Jack, they're killing me. The reason that I was kind of questioning it is because I think we saw Tiff say that Aubrey was the biggest threat for two reasons. One, she felt like she didn't have any agency. and so she knew that in order to kind of save herself that the other option was Aubrey. Also, like I said previously, Tiff has to fall for Aubrey to win edit-wise.

So I would be interested to see if Tiff doesn't go home, if she actually believed that it was an Aubrey vote out in that situation. I think it's very likely it still is, but I'm 100% positive that we saw her feel that way. and we saw it in the edit because of the setup, yeah. So let me ask you this. So say that hypothesis of yours, Jack, is right. Or it goes through Tiffany wins and they vote out Aubrey. Then I think at final four, I think Tiffany, if Tiffany wins final four,

which I think she would have a decent chance to, although Samotion's tough. It's like, it's hard to call who's going to be good at that. not, you know, because anyone could be, like, just mess up, you know? Right. But I think she would have a good chance at winning that. And I think she wins. I think Rizzo goes home in fire still, right?

And then I think Tiffany beats Jonathan Joe in a similar vote count. I mean, if Tiff is sitting at the end with anyone but Aubrey, yeah. I think she wins. Yeah. But I do think that if Tiffany loses final four, I think, fire. Yeah, let's assume Joe. wins it because he was he outlasted jonathan and in riso i think joe now joe it's like i don't know

who he'd actually he probably i think joe takes jonathan but i think jonathan would ask to be put in fire to beat tiffany because they would know rizzo wouldn't be tiffany and jonathan i think that's like extra like once that push wants that very confident in him in his abilities to make fire and just knows like Rizzo's not the man for the job. So I think Jonathan, I don't know exactly how good Tiff is at a fire, but Jonathan was like, he literally made one in his confessional.

So it's like, most of the time Jonathan probably wins fire. Tiffany goes out at four, you know, assuming she doesn't win final four. And then it's an interesting final three. But I was just, I was,

you know, one piece away. I was like very curious. Oh my gosh. Granted Aubrey probably goes at five. That just changes everything. So. And that is so crazy.

And again, Not that I'm not happy with an Aubrey win. I love it. But I almost even like that scenario, right? The excitement that it gives, like, it does peak my interest of, like, I wonder how, what I would feel about the season and whoever is the winner, right? Because it's like, it's an interesting take on it. Lauren, you were at the finale, and I do want to just talk about the Jeff Prope's

beliger. Yes. And again, we know we haven't had a live finale in a long time. And live finale is a lot of things happen. But like, you know, Jeff, they bring out Rizzo and Jeff announces that Rizzo and take your place at the jury. Tithy face, seriface, Jeff, as Jeff is talking, walk us through it. Okay. So I was like live texting Kelly at the same time because she was watching the East Coast feed.

But the way that it would kind of work is we're sitting there. And the show would cut to what would be considered a commercial. Obviously, we're not seeing the commercials. During that time, they'll tell us, like, there's a little break or whatever. Or we will see the production come out onto the stage and start to set up for their next kind of slot. It cut right before firemaking. And we see Jeff get queued to come out. And he comes out.

And then Rizzo comes out, which they had been doing throughout the entire finale. but we were, I thought it was kind of odd. I was like, oh, okay. And so then Jeff is kind of talking to Rizzo. And I'm like, this is a really interesting spot for to be talking to Rizzo at this moment when we haven't seen fire. He then says, take your place on Drake. When I tell you, the entire audience, it was like, like, we all, there was a moment where I said, did we, maybe we weren't going to see fire. Maybe they're pre-recording.

it was it was like a an entire group think of what just are we in a time walk what just happened then I see Surrey be like we haven't seen fire I see D over on side going like this like let's she's literally like yeah

I want to say it cuts I don't know what you guys were seeing on your end but Jeff is standing there like what he's confused yeah they cuts a commercial and then because he's ended with D like Like they cut it when they saw D. It cuts.

He looks around. He's kind of talking to them. You can see him like asking. He grabs his. Okay. So he grabs the mic and he goes, okay, what just happened? And everybody goes, what? And I mean, obviously he can't hear us.

And I think someone said something to him. He goes, wait, what have you guys seen? So all of us were like, we haven't seen fire yet. What my understanding was he was queued to him. early. But I don't know how that happened from a production standpoint. I know how that happened from Jeff because Jeff was in the episode. He's always seen the episode. He's got things. He's got to get figured out for each spot. And he even says that in an interview, but he's over in whatever green room. And then he gets queued up to come out at each kind of commercial

break. And it's already been pre-set up. Like, he's just kind of walk. out, you know how he is, and he won off, like he's not reading off of a teleprompter. It was crazy. So I'm texting Kelly, I go, are you live? Was that live? Because I don't know what's being shown. And I was thinking,

maybe they cut it. Kelly's like freaking out. She's like, oh my God, that was live. That's insane. That's insane. That's insane. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God. It was kind of just a consensus of what just what just happened how did that happen i will say though he handled it so well i thought i mean did it ruin right it was like there it was such a masterful way to come out and be like sorry like yeah that's that's on me but just so you know we're going to go

back and watch how he lost um tune in and make your beth and move forward with it because there's quite literally nothing you can do at that point. It was a mistake. I think what was funny, though, is the whole live crowd, as fire is being made,

starts chanting Rizzo. Oh, wow. Rizzo, Rizzo, knowing he's going to lose. And then he comes out again, and everyone's like screaming. He then, it cuts after you see him hug, Rizzo, he got a standing ovation.

A standing ovation for like a solid minute of people just like clapping for him and he just like waved. So it was a very, it was an interesting vibe in there. It was, it was interesting for me because obviously I watched it on Pacific Time. So we were three hours behind. And the first note, but you know, I already sort of knew what was going to shake out. But the first note if I got regarding the Jeff situation was my mom texted me. And I was like, I was like, wow, I'm not even watching yet.

Like I want. But then I had other people. will be like, oh my God, oh my God. So I was like, okay, I need to hear what Jeff did. And, but yeah, and then, but I was like, maybe they'll take it out on like the Pacific feed. I thought they would do. Did they?

Like, like, I thought he handled it well. But I also felt like when they come back from commercial, I almost thought like, obviously he addressed it. And he was like, yeah, Rizzo loses fire. We're about to go watch that. I kind of just wish they, like, pretended it never happened. And go into fire and be like, what was that?

At least there's some like element of like this is weird Jeff just spoiled it but we don't really know I think for Jeff to be like yeah Rizzo loses let's go watch

like that was like okay so you're just confirming that you spoiled it I mean what I will say is in hindsight what's up? I said he did say

take a seat year or last year there's quite literally nothing else he could have done I mean yeah but I love this What I will say, I think in New York, oh, sorry, go ahead. In hindsight, because, I mean, look, we, it was kind of safe to assume Rizzo was going to lose fire.

So at least in that regard, you know, if Jonathan, if he was like, Jonathan, you're the last year and everyone, you lose that whole shock of, like, Rizzo winning. And I do think, like, it was such a quick firemaking challenge that in hindsight, it's almost like sort of a fun moment that this happened, that it's like, the firemaking was sort of inconsequential. And so now we're not going to look back and be like, oh, I can't believe. Like I knew Rizzo lost that fire rate. We're going to look back and be like kind of a hilarious moment that happened. Yeah, I'm what you, Lauren, right? I think Jeff did the best thing possible and I love the fact that they rolled with it.

The reason why I love it the best is because it set Rizzo up for another, like, while you are going out, now you can have this alley you for being like, boom, I got another first. I'm the R-I-Z-G-O-D. And for that reason, I was here for it. But also another reason why, you know, Survivor needs to hollad Brice and Winning.

Survivor Brice and Winn need to host a Survivor finale because we can assure something like that. Never spoil the Firemaking Challenge. So the last, I mean, I don't know. Of course, if there's more thoughts on the finale itself, would love to hear. But I also, before we wrap up, I do really want to touch on that 51 teaser really quick.

are we cool to move over to that or do we have to help? I'm a little spicy because a lot happened. And like I almost felt like are we even going to get a teaser? Right? I thought maybe. Hold on. Sorry. Before we go into 51 really quick.

Did we did you guys only see like two questions for the reunion as well? Yeah. Okay. Okay. There was like no reunion. I just wanted to make sure because I wasn't sure what was being shown. and the fact that we only got two questions for people, I don't understand when that started.

Yeah, that was a bit of a bummer. Why are we calling it on reunion? It's our reunion. And they try to like sprinkle stuff in throughout, which was just like Michael. That's not what we want. That's not in the hands of the fans, and we should have voted for that because you know what we want. I want to hear every single person on there.

That cast does not love each other. Okay, I want to hear the T. Sorry, that's my two sense because the reunion I'm like, what's going on? Whatever. Okay. Proceed with my hands. are open. Okay. Also, riddle me this. And of course, Jack will be like,

Daw, Bryce. But I thought when it's a live reunion, no matter Eastern, Pacific, or Central, I thought it all played at the same time. No, and you know what? That is totally fair. Because they should call it live then. They do put a little thing when it's specific time that's since reported earlier. yes i also learned that recently well actually that's why i didn't learn that recently i learned that when we did our season and i realized that we would actually go it until apm well how how can it not be live if i'm in lais and i'm live with me

i'm physically here i'm physically here i was it not that again jack time zones are uh think of that imagination concept that i really um i don't care If it's 3 o'clock in the afternoon where I'm at, Lauren, there should be no reason why Jack is still sleep. I don't care. No, it's the same way I feel about directions. Whichever way I am facing is in fact north. Talk about it.

Okay. I won't even get into that because. Yeah, don't get right started on times. I don't even know what you're hard. I mean, it was live, but in L.A., they recorded at 5 o'clock, and it's airing live East Coast. at 8 o'clock. So why wouldn't they,

if they're in L.A. and it's live, why wouldn't it be live in L.A.? Because, like, the CBS it airs at 8 o'clock Pacific time, though. So they, like, they would have to be showing it at 5 o'clock

for it to also be live here. Well, I mean, so, but Lauren watched it at 5 o'clock. What's up? Lauren watched it at 5 o'clock. Yeah, but she was at, you know, watching it at the present is, It's different than watching it at home.

I think it comes down to what crime time. Like crime time is 8 p.m. And so it's really just live. And it's really just live in New York or in New York because 8 p.m. in New York comes before 8 p.m. in California, allegedly. So my last thing and then I will lay this horse to rest. Lauren, what time zone are you in? Pacific right now.

And what time are you in yesterday? Pacific. And what time did you watch Survivor? 5 p.m. She was at the recording of the live show. What's your argument? But you're in New York, so we really did watch it at the same time.

You did. It's only Jack. Jack didn't watch the same time as us. But again, so wait, say that again. So I was in New York and you were aware? L.A. And we watched it when? At the same time.

I don't know what you think you're like discovering here. I don't know, but I'm on his side. Thank you. I don't really know what the argument is, but I'm here with you. Yeah. I think Bryce could make any statement and give that look. He just gave it like, I'm just saying, if Laura was in L.A. and watched it at 5 p.m., the rest of the L.A. could have watched it at 5 p.m.

I wish we did, Bryce. I wish we did. We didn't have access to that. It must be used a VPN. Yeah, that's not something I dabble in. 51 free. preview. I, I

again, because the Jeff Blunder, Ceree went in $100,000. Yeah. Me, am like, it's only two questions, like, me wanting to see the pastes. Like, by the time 51 came, I didn't care.

Respectfully. Like, and so, like, that was my take. I almost thought that they were just going to show the logo, and then that would be that, right? Like, it just was, I almost feel like they're setting 51. up how they sent 49 off. Yeah, 100%. I'll say in,

maybe it was just me being biased. I was like, I'm just trying it down to the stage so I can give Aubrey a hug. I really don't care about this. Also, it's just funny to me that everyone's like, maybe less twists, maybe less advantages. And they're like, actually jokes on you. Everything's in play.

You said in the hands of the fans, we said, uh-oh, not today, baby. everything. Like, it's just funny. I honestly feel like it's kind of it. They're like, they want, not that. I love the, I always love the teasers. Like, I feel like those always give me like chills a little bit.

We know. No, I'm just saying, because I've watched multiple finale with you. And after they crown the winners, I'd be running over to Jack. And Jack will be like, hey, chill for a second, like, chill. And I'm like, bitch, the moment. is over and like Jack he'd be locked in so no I'm just saying let's have some respect for the new batch of players right um unless I'm but I but I um I didn't watch the I didn't want see the teaser until today like I watched it when I woke up today.

No not because I well I was at the watch party and then I got the intel on the after party which because of the time zone differences had already been going on so I cruise out of the finale after Aubrey got crowned I was like all right I'm shifting over she had got crowned three hours before. It was very meta. Right. You could have watched it, Jack. Basically, I left.

Basically, I left. I left before they did. They're like the two questions and then like the teaser. So I watched the teaser this morning. But they were already there, Jackson, well, they didn't mad. So you could have watched it for preview. So you don't have to lie.

Just say you watched a preview. I could have watched it live. I was watching it live. And Lord text me. And I had to run. I wasn't watching it live. I know. But that's what.

That's my point. I'm not talking about it. All right. Okay. Also, I mean, I could have watched the teaser, but I was also quite. I quite literally too not here. I was a little bit overserved at the time. So I.

Okay. I was a teaser. I want to know your thoughts. I did. I watched it today. Yesterday. Today. Um, maybe.

You didn't watch it live. Okay. Whatever. No, I didn't watch it live. I went on your life. I went on your TV. I went on your TV. Survivor 51 teaser.

The way Jack is proposing it, Jack's like, Aubrey texts me, they're leaving the stage now, and Jack's like, I couldn't watch the teaser because I had to go, but that was three hours ago, so they was already there when they was at. So, like, there was a migration process from the finale to the after party.

And also, I wasn't on the list. You know, I had to come at the right time to make sure I can't be the first one at the door, you know? I had a pull a couple strings, Bryce. You know, I had to finesse a little bit. it like, but 51 teaser, no matter what times are you watching it. At first, I was very optimistic because it seemed like the first confession was like,

we haven't seen this since the single diggies, which I also appreciated the abbreviation of digits. That was kind of in my wheelhouse. So I was like, oh, maybe they're bringing back some old school shit. And I love like the little snippet of the marooning on the boat. But then there's all this talk of like every advantage. advantage ever is in play, which I'm like, I'm like, I don't know about that. To be hopeful, I'm like, maybe that just means they're going to be bringing back some older

vibes of older advantages and kind of not be doing the new era rinse and repeat. I hope it's not oversaturated with twisted advantages, but I, you know, I still am optimistic. The cast looked, you know, I've, you know, having seen some of like the lead, the cast leak, like I've got mixed thoughts, but I think that there is some potential there. And I thought there was some good confessionals in this teaser. So I'm a little excited.

But 51, I think is going to be very, very important on like the direction of the future of Survivor. I just agree. I think 52 will. Only just because 51 with the hourglass. Like, you know, like, but no, I do agree with you. I didn't watch the teaser because it's like,

I just, I want to wait until it roll out and I'm going to be excited. But that's it. But you also watched the spoilers and you know who was on the cast and stuff. And then you didn't watch being live when you was there live. But I was, right. So if I had a ticket, I would have watched it live. But I did not have a ticket.

So you had all that time before. Right. So when you are on second chances too and you, for your live finale and you're going to be crowned the winner, hopefully you'll give me one of your, you know, family and friends tickets. I could be there to support you. I'll be able to watch it live. So a lot of problems with that statement. First of all, I'd like to be included in the second chance to conversation.

Thank you. We'll be there as well. Maybe I'll be there. Just know that when we're at the finale, we're going to watch the teaser live for the next season, Jack, and we'll be in the same time zone and we'll watch it live. Right. I mean, yeah, we'll see.

I mean, people still less than this point. Excited for 51, and I don't want to end on a bad note. But see, my issue with Jack is with these time zone, Jack act like I don't know what time zones is. My issue with Jack, Lauren, and the time zones is, I know we are in different time zones, but Lauren, it will be 11 p.m. Eastern Standard. I will call Jack.

Jack will pick up. People are, I'm just getting up for the day. And I'd be like, bitch, it's 11 o'clock. I don't care what time zone you're, you're not an Antarctica. That's not an excuse. And he's like, you don't understand how time zones work. And I'm like, no, bitch, you. In Bryce and defense, occasionally I wake up quite late, whatever time zone you, you know, you want to be in.

But it is different. The defense is kind of on his side. And I will say, you know. Did you mute him? That's the. No, you be doing your mic check. All right. He tried to be funny.

I don't know, but I thought you muted him. And if you did. No, I did. No, I pulled my mic. I think that was. That's not. Okay. So live.

Yeah, I mute myself live on the podcast. I think maybe we wrap up the time zone combo and we give it to the viewers to vote. Do we think that Bryce is right or Jack is right? I'm not even going to clarify. But Bryce isn't even making. I'm not even going to clarify what we're talking about is Bryce writer, is Jack Gray, vote in the phone? There's no clear. It also showed me being right too, because I feel like.

But anyways, with 51, I like, I'm hopeful, but I'm also a little, you know, I thought 50 overall was solid, but did not meet expectations. And I think there's a lot. And I think a lot of that stems from the direction that the producers feel like the show should go. Even in a season where they say this is in the hands of the fans, what we actually generally, I feel like. want is not being provided to some extent. And so I hope that they can, and like I feel like they've been out of touch on some of those things for a while. And so I hope that 51 and 52 they can sort of take us back to a prime era of survivor.

But I am worried that and there's been interviews with Jeff and Stutch where he was basically like, if you're a fan and you are giving us criticisms and have a opinions on what the show should be. You're not a fan. We're not listening to you. And I'm like, that doesn't seem the most productive. I never thought you were, Jeff, to be honest with you. Yeah. And so just, I hope that it's like they seem so, so, so against any sort of like positive criticism, like constructive criticism. And so I'm worried they're just going to like do what they think and like it's just going to be what it is. But I really think the recipe to have. But I really think the recipe to have a great season of Survivor is actually pretty simple and they're just

like way overcomplicating it and like conflating a lot of certain success with like like misattributing what's actually causing it. Um, like you can, I can sort of, you can sort of reference the COVID resurgence of Survivor when it was on like Netflix and stuff. I think that brought a lot of viewers to the new era, which I think then exactly. And I think the producers probably misconstrued that with being like, oh, the new era is really a home run. Like, everything we're doing must be good. It's like, well, no, you put Bryce Isaiah on Netflix. Obviously, people are going to watch that shit.

And so just stuff like that, it's like, I literally I think you could put the design of a season in like, you know, a avid fan's hands. And like they're going to, they can actually make like a good, like, I just think you like. Jack, are you submitting your resume to say, is this what you are doing? I mean, okay. Jay, you're saying. I mean, I think they use a shakeup on the casting side and I might be available.

If you put it in my hands, we are opening with the Heroes v. villains opening challenge where they are pulling the bags out of the sand. We are getting dislocated shoulders. We are getting bras taken off. That's our first challenge. Immediately in.

to slathering up James in oil and sliding down a slip and slide to grab a flag. That is how my season of Survivor would air. Feel free to get on board and I will start it out. Like I want to see stuff like that. I think it was amazing. I'm mad. I do love when they start off on the boat and they get a couple of seconds to get the stuff and they got jumping down.

But, you want to know why I, listen, yes, visually, 100. percent but then your clothes are wet your clothes are wet you want to know why i don't even know i'm going to pull i wish i had a picture of it but that whole like shawl thing that i'm wearing that first shot it's like pink it's got little fringe ugly but whatever you never saw that thing again because it was soaking wet from jumping off of the boat never dried was moldy and gross so i had to stick it at the bottom of my bag mind you that was the only piece of clothing i had other than the bra and underwear and it acted as a pillow for the rest of the time so your clothes are wet the whole time i feel bad for but I like to watch it. Just to also note Rizzo had that wet Modi Shaw in his bag

when he laughed, okay? Because that's what he had. But listen. He's been looking for this. It's been an amazing season. Love it, hate it or not. We were here for all of the discourse. Lauren, it is always a pleasure

no matter what time zone you are in. We can't wait to see you next season. Jack. It is sometimes a pleasure. It is sometimes, but in this time zone, I'm not sure about yours, but in this time zone, it is always a pleasure. And listen, we will end the podcast off with throwing it to Windeasy. Windezy, what is your thoughts on this season?

Wendell, that's the most you've been talking all this season. We thank you for God. I thought you like recorded the video or something. Classic window. Classic window. Thank you for giving your honest opinion. We love you. We got some exciting stuff cooking, and this was a great season.

Thanks for coming to tap it off with us. Lauren and Bright's been a pleasure as always. And I'm excited for 51. Also, guys, U.S. civilian traders coming out this fall. Your boy did a pretty good. I'm pretty happy with how the cast looks. I think CBS could take some notes from me. I'm very excited for that.

It needs to be a lot of fun. And, yeah, just a lot of cool stuff cooking. So I can't wait to, you know, maybe we'll do some off-season stuff. But I can't wait to keep the posse involved in everything. We love it. We appreciate you. We love you. And we will see you soon.

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