RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor News  50 Ep 11 Recap: Survivor Hamlet ft Jawan Pitts

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

Purple Pants Podcast | Survivor News  50 Ep 11 Recap: Survivor Hamlet ft Jawan Pitts The baby boys, Jack, and Brice are back this week with special guest Jawan Pitts from Survivor 49 breaking down Survivor Season 50 Episode 11. After the fallout from last week’s chaotic Tribal, the game gets flipped upside down with a shocking immunity controversy that leaves everyone scrambling. A brutal split Tribal forces players to adapt quickly as alliances crack, paranoia spreads across camp, and one massive blindside leaves the players and jury speechless. Brice, Jack, and Jawan dive into the Tiffany immunity drama, Ozzy’s emotional downfall, who is gaining momentum heading into the endgame, and how this double elimination could completely reshape the season. Tickets and updates for Brice and Wen 50 events:https://briceandwenpresent.flite.city/ You can also watch along on Brice Izyah’s YouTube channel to watch us break it all down https://youtube.com/channel/UCFlglGPPamVHaNAb0tL_s7g LISTEN: Subscribe to the Purple Pants podcast feed  WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks! Previously on the Purple Pants Podcast Feed: Purple Pants Podcast Archives

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Hello, hello, and welcome back to the Purple Pants podcast, Survivor News, covering Survivor Season 50 at the Episode 11 recap. I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Bryce Isaiah. And I thank you so much for tuning in to this week's Survivor News. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast, we are available on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you find podcast, the Purple Pants Podcast awaits for you to subscribe.

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Welcome to Survivor News. Survivor season 50. Episode 11. Sorry, y'all. It's a lot going on. I am currently a woman in mourning right now. Let me get myself together. Welcome back to the podcast.

Survivor News covering Survivor. Oh, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Oz, Oz, Oz, Oz, Oz, Oz, Oz, Oscar, Oscar. Four and out for my homie. Oh, God. Hey, y'all. What's going on? We're back covering Survivor, season 50. Episode 11, I am a woman in mourning.

We have a lost soldier, my man, Oscar. But the show must go on keeping. Oh, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, oh, Jesus. Oh, rest in peace. Oh, Jesus, let me go see if I still got that only fans link. But listen, welcome back to the podcast.

Hey, yo. Hey, yo. The man, the myth, the legend, you might know him from the floor is lava on Netflix.

Jack Atkins, what's popping with you, Jack? Man, every time it's the floor is lava. We talked about this last up. You know, I'm doing,

but it's been having a good week, excited. We got a great guest. and I got this shirt at a concert last night and then watched the episode after. And I think it's sort of an appropriate homage to Oscar with his cameo, his infamous camo T.

Yeah. We do have a special guest. Do you want to do the honor? Yeah, yeah. You know, joining us this week, Wendell might be on spring break. We got a good personal friend of mine and Bryce's, friend of the podcast.

We've been trying to make this happen for a while. From Survivor 49, Jawan, baby. Welcome to the podcast. What is popping? Nothing to lie. This is kind of like a bucket list thing for me. So, you know,

I know feeling in for Wendy's, he's big shoes to fill, but I'm so glad to be here. This is long, long overdue. Clearly you haven't watched winners at war. Or the podcast. You can't defend himself. That's crazy.

And Juan, just to, if I'm not mistaken, before you, because we were buddies before you were on the show. Yeah. And you were a posse member even before you were on the show, right? Yeah, I don't know which episode that you can do the archive. I might have to check later, but you can see I was commenting back in the day before I was, you know, on the show. So, you know, I'm not.

Were you the one that was like, stop all the chat and get it to the last. Probably. Oh, I love it, though. Well, Juan. Full circle. First, full circle. Full circle. It's an honor to have you, Joanne.

I think watching you on season 49, connecting with you. It's, you know, Jack always likes to point out you was his friend. But, you know, we, we as in Wendell and I, we met you before you, out on the island. We didn't know anything. Good vibes always. And how are you? How has life been since 49 and season 50? Like I know personally, well, Jack and I both know because Jack was on Survivor as well. But sometimes as you get a little like, not PTSD, but sometimes like when a new season comes out, you kind of mourn your own season. So I'm just curious to know before we even get into all of the things of the things.

Like, what has it been like since we've last seen you? Man, Bryce, this is why I love you, fam. That's such a good question. Life has been life in, but in the best way, you know? With me, it's so interesting, you know, I've been a survivor fan, way longer that I've been a survivor alumni. So it's interesting being on this side of it. I know people have talked about in the past,

just the roller coaster of like you're in casting. And then you go on the show. and then you can't talk about it and then you watch it. And for 17 people, it kind of sucks because you know you didn't win. But now being on the other side of it, it's kind of, I know you can relate. Being on the other side of it, it's kind of like beautiful in a way. Like it's hard, especially having like a sister season, like the season after you being a monumental like top five season just by default because it's Survivor 50.

and the weight of that, it's like a tug of war in my heart personally, where I'm like, dang, that should have been me. But then also as a fan, as someone that loves old school survivor and like some of my favorite people like Ozzie and Surrey. And like, I really can't be too mad. So I'm, I'm blessed, man. I'm blessed. And what have you thought of the season?

What have you thought of season 50 overall so far? Yeah. I think as a editor, I've been really enjoying this season. I think, you know, back when they had like 60 minute episodes, we would have like, you know, these four back stories, these fours kind of like flashbacks. But I do think as an editor watching the season, I feel like every flashback has been kind of, it served the purpose and not to get too deep into it. But I'll say this season kind of reminds me of a week.

like ghost islands too. Like shout out to Windezy. In a weird way, it's like less about the advantages, but like people, like we said, mourning their games. So I just love the theme. I think that was definitely prevalent in this episode with Surrey, you know, for example,

you know, talking about game changes and why she wants to flush idols. So I know we're going to get into the nitty gritty, but I've been enjoying it. I've been enjoying it. I love that. That's so great to hear. and we're so excited to have you here.

And if you don't know Posse, we've been trying to make this happen for a long time. Jack, every time in the group chat, we're like, who should we have one? Jack be like, Joanne. I was trying to make a shake. We'd be like, send a date. Jack, send a date.

John, busy. We'd be like, all right, next week. Next week, we'd be like, Jack, you got. Jack be like, Joanne. John was working, you know, full-time job. Nine to five. Nine to five. West Coast.

Pacific. time, which makes it tricky. But now John Juan's working for himself. And now we're here. And we're good. We're good. I'm glad to be here. We've been dying to have you.

And again, it's been such a great season. I was in Austin last night. And Austin, we had a huge turnout. We had a lot of the posse members there. Shout out to Chelsea. Shout out to Tyler. Tyler is our guy. I don't know if you remember Tyler.

Tyler Jack. He was like, where, where's Jackery? And so it was just great. And there was so many of the posse members being like, you and Jack is on fire this season. Y'all, y'all spitting it like it is. And I was telling them I always spit on it. So it's like, I say what I say.

And so it is been, wait, wait, I don't get it. Y'all don't spit on it. Y'all don't tell the proof. You know, so the posse's been on us. And so y'all said we were holding back because of our friends and we don't say the truth. And so this season we've been spitting on it. And so it was really good to hear just, you know, the posse being like, where's Jack? And so also Ozzy was in New York City and another great episode.

And again, we are still on the road to 50. Bryce and when next week we will be in Chicago. for the Penn Ultimate episode, which is sure to be on fire. Tickets are available. And our girl Tiffany is going to be holding it down in Los Angeles next week. Let's go.

The Posse that's been asking for the Jackery. The Jackery will be in the building with a host of amazing people. We have the winner from Big Brother 20. Some Chelsea. We've got Jack. We've got Zach. We've got Nina Porsche.

We've got Abby. Maria Brando and a host of other people that were going to release soon. Morgan from Big Brother, 20. Morgan, yes, the legend. Let's go. So tickets are available. And then from there, we are headed to the finale, New York City. You already know what's up.

I believe our New York City finale is sold out. But we do have tickets available on that Tuesday night for karaoke. And listen, Baltimore, Gabe is lining up an amazing cast for you. Teeny. Nora, get your tickets now. It's just crazy to think that we are coming to the end of this season. It's like I feel like we started off just so excited. And again, very much still excited.

It's a lot to get into. I have a lot of thoughts. I'm excited. Can I say something real quick? Can I do a cheesy little flashback? Come on. Me and Jack are way back. But, you know, can I talk about the story about when I first met you and Wendell?

So your boy come. I think this is season 40. two, right? Finale. L.A. Your boys, maybe second year, first year in L.A., really.

And in South Jersey, I'm a Survivor fan, but there's not many of us like that. You know, it's not like a big community in South Jersey for Survivor. So when I came out to L.A., I think I saw on Reddit,

I was like, wait, there's like watch parties for Survivor. Definitely from South Brazil. Oh, bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like Delaware area, right? I think so. Yeah.

Yeah. You tell me. She's done a lot of party. Yeah. I didn't know. But basically, long story short, when I went to this finale party

and, you know, this was, things were still kind of like post, like, you know, COVID-y, you know? But I think it was so cool. Like, I sat at this party right next to Davey. And as a super fan,

I'm like, what? Like I think that's why I love about Survivors. Like, you know, we're not like these superstar celebrities. I mean, at least to me, but everyone was so kind. You were kind. Wenda was kind. And that moment really stuck with me. So, and this was like three years before I got on the show.

So I appreciate you. And I appreciate what you guys have built for our community. And it's really, I think it's, you guys need more flowers. So I just wanted to drop that here. We appreciate that, Joanne. Now, I do have a question. question. You said you met Davey. Yeah. I just need a yes or no. That's all. That's the response

I need from you. Did he have a cape on? I don't think so. Okay. Okay. I don't think he had a cape on. Y'all out of pocket. He might know Davey. Davy pull up with the cape. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But you said that was season 41? 42. 42. So Mary Ann's finale.

Yeah. And Ozzy was there, which is crazy. I went up to Ozzy. Yeah. So I thought it just was cool from like a fan like me. I'm like, dang, we could just chill and talk to these people. But I think that's how it should be, you know? Yeah.

Mm-hmm. I just wanted to say. Yeah, no, listen, the only person that's Hollywood out of any of the reality people that I have met is Jack Atkins. And I say that to say only because we're in a finale, you might not. be able to talk to Jack because Jack will be under a speaker. Well, that's because I'm such a fan. I'm locked in on the episode.

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And again, we're so excited to have you, Joanne, but we got a lot to get into. Let's get into it. Let's do it. What you got? Because I got thoughts from left to right. Don't. Take it away, Bryce. I got notes.

is a long game with notes too let's go Bryce you want to kick us off where you want to start and we'll we'll we'll weep frog off of it I mean I don't know I mean what you you want you really want me to kick it off yeah Bryce go ahead hold up let me spin on it because the thing that like took me let let's go to the challenge can we go to the challenge because I mean Jeff said laying change. Everybody started fumbling. My queen Tiffany was up there. She was solid.

She was good. Challenge over. Tiffany wins. And all of a sudden, I felt like I was at a NBA game. I felt like the referees paused it and was over on the bench, reviewing the tapes.

And I can't remember in my Survivor history this ever happening. Shout out to the people that were in Austin that they said that this, something like this has happened. I believe it was with Lex, but it wasn't necessarily during in Endurance Challenge. And so, I don't know. For me, watching back the episode, I think after Tiffany celebrated and the moment that Jeff was like,

oh, wait, time out. The look on Tiffany's face, right? Like, I felt like Tiffany was like, here go to bullshit. Here go to bull. Like you could just see it on her face. And again, I respected if they, we got five. Jeff is like, we always have these five judges.

Bitch, when, is their name Billy Elish? Because when have we known that? You know, what this made me think about, look at 48. Didn't this happen to Joe when he did the little? And what's her name? Camilla, didn't they have that thing

where they, like, she put it down and Joe spelled it wrong and then they gave or he had a block missing and they gave it to Camilla, right? Didn't he have to do that? I guess that was a little more in the moment. This was kind of like it. Tiffany celebrated and then he was about to like put the thing on it and he was like, nah, never mind. Sorry. And I thought Tiffany handled that way better than I would. Like she clapped for her job. I would have been like, can I see the flashback? Let me show me the tape. I need to see the visual. So she handled that way better than me. Jeff said, do you trust me,

Tiff said, yes. I was like, in this climate, $2 million. I don't know if I'm going to take your word. Yeah. And I know we'll get into it. I'm so excited to talk about this episode, but I wonder if Tiffany wins this challenge, right?

How does that affect anything? But based off the results, I'm like, I don't know if it does change anything based off the edit we saw. But I know we'll get it. into it. 100% and that's why no, look,

I look as a fan and a friend of Tiffs, definitely was a bummer for them to you know, pull that away. Well, Bryce, I will say, you know, they did show the, they showed the tape to the audience and she was on two feet for a hot second there.

So, um, I feel like she'd probably even, you know, say that. Oh. So let me ask you a question. Jack and Juan. You're at the grocery store. Y'all buying bacon. You're buying milk.

You're buying lubrication. And you're buying cheese. What are we telling us to? What's the baby oil for? We didn't say baby oil, but we can add baby oil to the list, right? Boop, boop, boop. You put everything on a counter.

The person, boop, boop, you pay your money. You get to the door, they say, let me see your receipt. They say, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You ain't pay. for that baby oil, you steal it. I gave everything to the lady.

Well, if they said you were stealing, obviously, but say if they were like, hey, we forgot to scan the, we got to say it, the lube. They forgot to scan the lube. That's got a different connotation now. Well, if they're like, hey, you forgot to scan the, we forgot to scan the lube, can you come back and pay for it? Ain't the customer always right?

I guess so. Like, yeah. You would have to pay for it. I mean, yeah. It's my, is my fault if y'all make a mistake. No, no, not saying it's anyone, but no one say it's Tiff's fault. They just were like, hey, we missed it, you know. And I think it's about timing, too.

If they waited to like tribal counsel to be like, yo, Tiff, I'm sorry. We looked at the tape. Let's get that back. That's a problem, you know, because you already strategized. But they did catch it before they even left, you know? it'd be different. That's how I feel. For me, I'm just like, who's hosting Survivor?

Is it Jeff Proops or is it Steve Harvey? Because for me, I'm like, is this Miss Universe all over again? Steve Harvey, straight bullet, okay, yeah. Well, guys, what do you, Janie, like, if they catch that she was not on one foot, and they know that, then what do you think they should do? Like, what's the... Because say it was Jonathan that was on two feet and Tiffany was in Jonathan's shoes

and was the next one that lasted that long on one foot. And they knew that Jonathan was on two feet. Wouldn't you be like, it should have been Tiffany? One of them five judges need to lose their job. Damn. I'm just saying. Do it a good job or a bad job?

A bad job. Y'all five other judges, y'all got one job. They did it. They did their job. Yeah, I think, I think that was a misplay on Jeff. He probably just, they stepped in and be like, yo, yeah, I think that was a Jeff misplay. All right.

So y'all might be right, but I'm just for me. In Tiff's shoes, I would definitely be like, damn. Because I also live by, in a competition, I sort of live by like, if you ain't cheat, you ain't trying. And so, yeah. You get away with a couple extra seconds. And then you get called after it's like, ah, I thought I got away with that was. You know what I mean?

For me, I just had ran a lap and rustic tap in Austin. Like, Tiffany, Tiffany, when I got back around, everybody was quiet. I was like, wait, wait, I'm out of breath. What's happening? So, again, I mean, you're right. Y'all are right. I'm mad. But a rule is a rule.

And I just, I don't know, just. I'm with you. I don't want to say nothing. It was unfortunate for sure. And I'm curious. No, I'm just curious how much pushback she did get that didn't make the edit. Because I don't know. Yeah, like I said, if I was in her shoes, I'm like, so what did I do wrong?

Can y'all show me? Like, what happened? But, yeah, she handled it really good. Yeah. I think that's been a great component of Tiffany's game this whole season is when she has faced adversity, whether it's with a challenge or with a vote or whatever. She moves very gracefully. And then in confession, she'll let you know.

But to everyone's face, she's like, it's cool. Don't worry. I think it's really, you're lagging a little bit, Joanne. So like I was saying, I was yapping about Tiffany. But I've been so impressed with her game positioning and how she's been maneuvering with being on the quote-unquote bottom. and it's interesting. I think it's very telling that the people that were targeting her or like we're kind of

afraid to like put a vote on her like just because they like her. And I says a lot about her social game. They're cool. We're losing you again, Joanne, but I totally. Yeah, we lost you a little bit there again, but I totally agree. Like even back to the like that split, the blood moon when she was on the same. tribe as Camilla and they targeted Camilla over her. Or again, when there was that split vote between her and D

and nobody wanted to vote for Tiff, I thought it was great. And I mean, I thought we'll get more into it, but I thought Tiff had a great episode, this episode, even despite what happened with the challenge and all that stuff. I just really like where her head was at.

You know, and this challenge wraps up and then we get the news that it's a, they're split into these two groups and Johnson it was swing between the two. Okay, You were also not thrilled about that. Well, no. Again, when this happened, I felt like I took on the Jack Atkins persona of like, we 11 episodes in.

Why the, are we splitting up again? Like, what's happening here? So, no, I wasn't mad at Jonathan's power. Again, I just was like, why are we splitting up? Like, I don't, like, again, I don't, like, again, I don't get me started. the fan in me is like, let's vote out two people, but let's do it all together. Like, you know, like, let's do it back to back.

I've been hoping for that back to back. Yeah, the splitting up, I thought we were avoiding it this season, and they do the split up. And to me, the thing about it is like, it's just, and we said this, this was my thoughts with like the Blood Moon, for instance, you're just like limiting options. So now at this point in the season, Half the tribals we've had have been with five people because you have like the premerge and then you have the blood moon and then you have this and we're going to obviously have another final five tribal at some point.

And when one person's safe, when one person's safe, it's so clearly because like there's only so many combinations. It's either like a three to two or it's like a four to one. Not even one person's safe, Jack, when one person's safe and three people have idols. Also true. Also true. Yeah, no, exactly. It just limits. I don't know what they're upset. is with like limiting people's options dude and as someone that experienced it like it is kind of frustrating because you know you're on survivor to make big moves but then there's this tug of war in your heart where like well i just want to make it out you know so it can kind of limit gameplay um and one of my favorite parts of survival growing up is when you make it to the merge it's a milestone

for a reason it's a merge it's everyone coming together now It's a individual game. So when you split them up again, I'm sorry, that's a tribe swap. What are we doing? We just had that, you know? And then when you do that multiple times, you know, like season after season, like we've seen it. Like if they did this every other season, oh yeah, I'm cool with that. But to like, you know, just make this a thing where like I know this round is different.

This season is different because they're trying to get rid of people. But yeah, like you guys said, there's a solution for that. that do a double vote all together and that's that's my my soap box and i got to the other small thing too is like i think like the best moves typically the best tribals at least it from my perspective happen when there's these odd numbered tribals and like at a nine because at nine the numbers it's when it's odd numbers it's just things are more in in the things a little bit more delicate because usually it only takes like one person to flip. Whereas if you have an even number, you're either obviously going to be deadlocked, which of course can make for some fireworks,

but that rarely happens. Usually it just ends up in numbers going one way or the other. Or if you are trying to get people to flip, it doesn't make as much sense because you'd rather just do that with an odd number. You know what I mean? And so obviously, I mean, you know, these two tribal of five still odd numbers, sure, but five's a little bit different because it's so small. But nine, I think historically is like a great like amount to have tribal with you know what I mean? It's small enough and it's late enough in the game where

people start to make moves it's not necessarily like a 13 where you're like maybe this vote's going to be seven to six it's like okay if if I'm in a group of three but we can grab two people you know we can get out of this and make a big play and now we just lose out on all that

can I say something? Yeah, I know just say it listen we family all right I'm just going to make it. Cut jack off. I'm going to make it plain. And not is big Jack. I'm going to make it plain. Even though I just was like ragging on how I hate the tribe swaps and like the splitting everything up.

Your boy really did like this episode though. I thought having them on the same beach by having Jonathan go back and forth and the story's kind of ping ponging, I think if that's the way it has to be, if we have to do the twist, I like it like this. And let it, like, the players know this is going to be every nine. Like, all right, the final nine, one person is going to, like, as long as this is established as a thing moving forward. Well, you know, it's not going to be established. They're going to do some different. I hope it's not established.

Like, I agree with you because I thought it was fun storylines. Yeah. So, re-trying to, like, like, like, food to the other. Yeah. And, like, you know, it was like, if we're working together, but then separately. Yeah. But separately doing it all big. Yeah, it was cool.

You're, you're right, right? Right. where it's like I again for the first time all season we're 11 episodes in and this is the first time we see how close Tiffany is surreal right like we see that little key key ha ha ha ha ha but like black people we know that right like we the way seri and tiffany was talking it's like I don't need to say too much but like what they were saying for me was like oh they've been locked in all season, right? Like, Seribian, like, Sean, I'm talking, I'm talking. Well, we see them

chilling in the hammock. Yeah. Yeah. We know that. But this is just the first time that we got to see the communication, right? Where it's just like, to realize, right? And they're not saying a lot, but they are saying a lot. And for me, I think the biggest thing was like, when both of them were talking, then we got Tiffany in her professional, like, well,

listen, Jonathan's trying to target Ozzy. And that's grand news to me. And in my perspective, it's like, I don't hear enough people talking about it, Tiffany. And from what we see, the way that she's able to maneuver, another one of the things that, again, call me a hypocrite, because I want a souvenir. Okay. What I love the most was, again, we've seen Jonathan throughout this whole season, right? He's working with the cloth. We know he with the cloth.

But again, I felt like this episode, The Veil was kind of being dropped. And with Jonathan being the person to go from each tribe and talking to talking and being able to see his relationships with these people. And it's just so interesting how, like, we as viewers know where certain people stand. We obviously, in my opinion, like, Tiff clearly doesn't trust Jonathan after like the Camilla vote.

But like the way that like Jonathan's like, Miss Tiffany. Like, are we in like, you know, miscerity, like, you know, seeing those dynamics. And it's like, I don't know who to give credit to. Is it Jonathan or is it like these other people? It was a bit of a surprise how quickly he, like,

locked in with that. I mean, we know he's not on the best working terms with Devons and Emily, but it's a number of time, you know. Do you guys, the other component of this twist that I want to throw out just see how you guys feels like is this like too powerful of an advantage for just a Jonathan for winning a meet like to be able to go to both tribals and influence both and be

safe for both it's now maybe that's just like part of what the stakes were put up as for the challenge like you get this advantage but it's like a really really powerful this is this is giving me flashbacks you know what happened to you boy episode 10 49 I think I lost the game as something like this, you know. We get split up at the final 10, two groups of five. Everyone on my team is everyone that just pulled off the blind side against Nate. So it's me, Sage, Sophie, yellow Sophie, and then MC. And then Rizzo with an idol.

That's already kind of messy, all right? Because at this time, this is pre, we know Rizzo is going to do his antics. This is back when the status quo for us, you know, with MC playing her eye, idol and then Alex play the idol. Everyone plays an idol. The minute you're in danger, you play it. So in my head, I'm like, oh, okay, we got to come up with a different plan. And then you get a little the nucleus is Savannah coming on a boat. And now that changes everything, you know, now you're trying to think about that vote. So Jack, you bring up a good question. Is this unfair? For me, when I was out there, I was pissed. I was talking to the producers. I'm like, I wish y'all just

let us play. Why does it feel like Mario Party? But I think now that I'm off the show and I had time, you know, to eat and like sleep, I think, I think, you know, there's a world where you can still get out the person you want. You can still gain. You don't need this. It's just that one vote, really. And if you have social capital like Surrey, you can still find your way out of it, you know? So that's how I feel now.

I do feel like it's a crazy twist, but I think in Survivor, there's most of the time. Yeah, it happened. Not every time, you know, but there are ways to get out of it. sticky situations. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's unfair, but it is very, very just like a powerful thing. Like to be the only one

to go to both tribals and you're safe for both. And the numbers are small enough for like your vote really is going to matter. Jonathan kind of pick and choose like who are the two people I need most out out of this game? And cruise to seven

with kind of his ideal composition of people. It's an advantage that he needs the most being as though the cloth is decimated, right? Right? where it leads again just again I'm just being a pessimist and just saying like

with the cloth being so decimate decimated and for them to pull the tapes like it benefits him but I am kind of with you Jack a little bit in the sense of I almost would have liked it if the person that stays on the longest

is he gets the immunity necklace but the person that stays on the second longest is able to attend the tribals and vote because that throws them more. They wouldn't be immune? They wouldn't be immune, but they can't. Well, then why would you want to go to both tribal?

Roll the dice. Blood moon. That would be interesting, but I don't necessarily think that should necessarily be skewed as like a good thing. That's almost like a great beware advantage of like, because I do like this idea where they go to both, but obviously if you're not immune at I mean. I mean, listen, that roll the time.

It's like you survive the first one. You get to go to the second one and be safe or something like that. Or get an idol. Yeah, Surrey would have loved that, right? I mean, think about it. If Surrey wins that type of thing, she can go back and talk to Ozzie. Like, yo, play it. And it's so crazy to see it.

One of the themes is like how Surrey is like Ozzie's like guardian angel. And it hurt my heart when she's like trying her best to like play telephone through Jonathan. Like, yeah, talk to Rizzo. And at that, I'm excited to explore this with y'all, but like, the Rizzo's decision to not, you know, save Ozzy. I did not have that on my bingo

card for this week. Oh, let's be real. Because I think for me, we've been saying all season how Tres Litch is from my season, you jump over to this season. It's the what, Rizzer of Oz? What are we calling it? I can't say that. But yes, we have that. trio and this is only episode 11. I thought that that explosion would be closer towards the finale.

I mean, I guess we're almost there, but I thought it would be later. So for that to happen, I must say, I do think Rizzo will explore whether this is a good decision long term for him, but I do think he is like Surrey in a weird way where I think they have this code for them. And I could be wrong, but I feel like when Rizzo's with you, I experienced this, he's with you. But if he has any reason to doubt you, he'll cut you. I mean, that's, I mean, they didn't show with me, but me and Rizzo were boys until I try to get them twice. And then he was like, my hands are tied, you know? Like, it is what it is. So I, that's how I kind of felt here. But that that's such an interesting point, right, that you bring up. You said, like, you try to

get him twice. And then he said, he's done. We know after your season, he only had nine days. And then he's back out there. Uh, Rizzo said, take me to get about you, Joad. Right. Like, so actually, you're the reason my man went home to one because it all actuality. I'm just saying, I do not claim that. I am a mourning woman right now. I am not mad at the R-I-Z-G-O-D's move because, listen, Ozzy blew up, blew up Ceres game.

And if they're working together, Rizzo got a thing for himself. And so if they get back together and they, the pressure is on Ceri. And now Ceri's back is against the wall, what you think Mother going to do? Mother going to have to throw in the Riz guy. Like, she's going to have to do anything. And so I actually think Riz did the best thing because, like, he literally put Ceres game at jeopardy. And we don't even know what the fallout is.

And so I think the Riz God made an. excellent move. So you thought it was more of his effort to like benefit Ceres game in a way? Yes and no. Because he benefits from it as well. Because if they all get back together and everybody knows all this information and now the heat is on Ceree, you think Ceree just want to stand there and lay down? Sarita's going to have to now empty the arsenal. And the arsenal has to be while I've been work with Rizzo, like just throwing everyone out there. And so it's like

I hate to say it, but the posse wants me to keep it real. My one rebuttal is who's everyone at this point? It's like what, the final nine, right? It's the final. Aubrey. Jonathan, Joe, Devons, and up until this point, Emily as well. So. It's like, and Ozzy has given them the game.

And this is why I am a man that likes men. but Ozzy is proven to me why men can't be trusted. He, Surrey, he was just with Surrey six seconds ago. I mean, this was good. We were good. They were good, Jack. No, I know. This was quintessential Ozzy fashion to go home.

Yes. He leaves Surrey for five minutes, blows up his own game, goes on with an item. So I'm really Five seconds though, Jack, though. I'm really on the five seconds. And he's like, let me let me practice my final speech to you. Well, can I say why he did that?

And it goes back to my theory how this feels like a ghost island's two. You remember, my man lost to you by what? One boat. One boat. One boat. And when you play so many times like Ozzie, Yeah, he's been voted out with an idol. But what's on top of his mind is like, wait, I'm playing the best game I've ever played.

I need to be careful of how I send people to the jury. And that's the fatal flaw. We've seen the time after time. I think what Andy did that to rape you and got snuff. But it's when you're out there and you're feeling the momentum, it's hard to stay in the present, you know? So he's probably thinking, oh, I'm about to get a million dollars. I need to be careful how I send people out. And when you're, you get overzealous like that.

I do think it's because he has wounds. He's lost by one vote. And I think that's plays, I think that's why he did that. Yeah. Okay, I have a handful of thoughts. When it comes to Ozzy, I mean, he's been getting a lot of flack for not playing his idol.

I think the real crime of Ozzy this episode was laying this all out to Aubrey, like insane, honestly. But when it comes to not playing his idol, you have Rizzo who's like effectively your number two allies. and you have Joe who like doesn't lie who's telling you you're good and obviously he's had like an okay relationship with John I totally see why Ozzie felt good in this situation

and I'll add to the fact that I think like even from Ozzy's shoes if you're looking at just like good gameplay I think it makes more sense for Joe and probably Rizzo to keep Ozzie so like from Ozzie's perspective I would be very surprised they kept Aubrey so what we were saying about Rizzo

I'm torn because I think this is a good opportunity for, like, Rizzo to differentiate his game from Ceres and, like, make a little bit of a move and maybe move up and become Ceres number one. If you could play it off, right? If he could just be like, Ceree, like, Joe and Aubrey and Jonathan were all voting for him. I couldn't do anything. I do think, though, if Rizzo just votes out Aubrey, and then you, Ceri and Ozzie are all at seven,

you have two idols, there's a lot of room for, like, to really, for Rizzo to really cook. Like, and maybe he, maybe he does something to flush Ozzy's idol this tribal. Yeah.

And like, maybe he saves Ozzy, but also gets Ozzy to play his idol, or maybe he tells Ozzie to play his idol. Yeah. Correct. And they vote out Aubrey. And then maybe he's in a better spot at seven with his people.

And, and now Ozzie's laid out that he and Surrey are so close where Rizzo can kind of ride as the third, take out a Surrey when he needs, take out Devons when he needs. Because, honestly, I don't think, I think Rizzo could be in Ozia yet. So I don't, I don't, I don't, I put one of those, like, I'm not saying Ozzie is Surrey. My bad to cut you off, Bryce. You want to be good. Okay.

I'm not saying Ozzie is Surrey, but I do feel like he's one of those legends by default characters. if he gets to the end with anybody other than Surrey, I think he gets a couple votes, you know, just by, you know, just by the name, you know? So I do think he probably does be, and I think he was a target for a while, like Christian won it and gone. And we've started to see the emergence of a story. But I think on the island maybe it's not as evident to.

Right. So obviously, I think Ozzy sitting actually a Rizzo was going to get a Stephanie and a, well, maybe not a. coach. But, you know, those old schoolers, this is fair. So maybe, I guess the thing is this opens Rizzo's game pretty wide open, which I guess if you're like, hey, I really can't go to the end with Surrey or Ozzy is a good move. But if you think that, hey, if I could keep Ozzy and Surrey, I'm good with them,

maybe he can still shift the target over to them a little bit and claim that move for himself. a little bit later. So I don't know. I totally see where Rizzo was coming from though. Because also, like I said, he can now have the opportunity to play this off to Sari of like everyone was voting

for him. Although Sari's gonna have a conversation with Joe and you already know Joe's gonna be like, oh no, Rizzo told me to vote for Ozzy. Like I... Yeah. Rizzo doesn't have to play anything off to Sari. He just literally needs to tell her.

Like, Ozzie gave their gameplay away. And I also feel like in Rizzo's position, right? Rizzo has been working very closely with Ozzie and Surrey. He hasn't been working that close with Aubrey, right? And so if like the names that are floating around are Ozzy and Aubrey, I think in Rizzo's position right now, Rizzo wants to sit next to an Aubrey.

I would believe that Rizzo wouldn't want to sit next to. You just said he has, you know, he hasn't been working very closely with Aubrey and he has been with Ozzy. And now I get when you talk about threat levels, maybe they're at a different, I don't know, maybe they're at a different level, but I think going into seven you want to keep around the person you have been working with and not the person you haven't been working with. At seven, I mean, I don't know what seven looks like,

but I'm just saying like it's now or never. They're splitting up the tribes. There's a chance to get Ozzy out and the blood isn't on your hands. And from Rizzo's perspective and looking at jury management, like, I can I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, and I just, before on another podcast, but it is interesting watching how Rizzo's game has changed from 49 to 50.

You know, with Rizzo on 49, he's locked into a three all the way to the end. So on this, it's interesting playing, like I think on 49, he thought he was on the bottom. This is like where he's in the middle. And I think that's a game that I played very well. And but the hard part about the middle. the hard part about the middle is when you say people packing that were close with you, they might not be happy to see you. So I think about my game.

And if, you know, alternate universe, if I make it to the end, I'm not sure if I even win because I sent so many people that thought they were close with me gone. And I think the hard part is how do you, so Rizzo's challenges, how does he, if he gets to the final three seats. and he's looking at an angry Ozzy, how does he communicate as a young 25-year-old to someone that's played a game four times? I mean, like, hey, I got you out because I thought you could beat me. That's the only way I think he could really say,

hey, I love you, and here's why. But it's going to be hard because when you cut people and they don't see it coming, it's Survivor. Not everyone's going to take that lightly. So that's why I'm, I'm, yeah. And I do like the move because, like we said, Rizzo probably still has some work to do within 50 to earn respect of the jury. Right.

So taking these opportunities, obviously, he's in a great spot with Siree, but if he goes to the end playing, even playing in tandem with Sari like he has been, I think Sari just gets a lot of that credit. So I guess it does make sense for him to be like, hey, let me take out Ozzie. That's a move for myself. Maybe I hopefully can recover my relationship with Sari, but maybe I look at a move against her and now my game's open and I have an idol and obviously there's probably better people to sit next to at the end than you know a suri and maybe at this point with how Aubrey's been so far maybe

because she's been on the bottom that's a that's an option obviously I think a Joe is a pretty good option um so if I'm Rizzo I think that's probably my ideal final three at this moment um and and to that point, I think this is also why I love what Tiffany did, where Tiffany now pushing some influence onto this group of sort of being like, I'm so locked in with Surrey, let me try to get Ozzy out with the blood off of my hands so that I can lock in with Surrey. So I love that from Tiffany, because I think that especially not being part of Surrey's Wizard of Oz. Right.

But also being so connected, it makes sense at this point for Tiffany to like, like get rid of that full trio, cement her spot within that group, whether that is still going to be a Surrey Tiff-Rizzo combination. But I just thought that I was a great idea from. Yeah. Another, I want to jump so many places, but I'll save my left jump for later. But another, we're at Tribal, right? And another, like, amazing move or just an amazing comment was when Jonathan

And Jeff asked Jonathan something, and John's like, Mr. Jeff, I just, me and Rick, I've decided on season 50. Me and Rick, we can't play together. We're at odds. And I loved when I say my, now, I'm, Ricky, cousin Ricky is my cousin. But when the way my britchers, Juan, got a little moist, when Rick Devin said, listen, hey, hey, Hey, Jonathan, get that out of your head. We can work together. We're getting down to the final six and five.

My brother, my good brother. I know you've been out in the sun moving some chairs around in the beach. But listen here, if we figure something out, we can move together. And I was just like, I love the way that Cousin Ricky's head, It's in the game. Yeah. I'll sit on it. All right, man.

Just to give Rick some flowers, I'm so glad that he's gotten a chance to play again. It's so crazy to me. I think if you guys remember, I don't know if you know this, but I think my man was going to be an alternate on one of the rounds of casting. Like, I think he talks about his pregame.

There was a round, like, yeah, you're an alternate. Sorry, I think this one to cast was smaller, you know? For 50? I think, yeah, I think he was going to be an alternate, which is kind of crazy. If you think about this game now with the Mr. Beast thing, if you just take Rick out of this season, it's a completely different game. So I've been impressed with Rizzo. I keep saying Rizzo, wow, Rick Devin's.

And I think he's playing great. I don't know. I think he really has to continue the ball out. But he just cashed his idol this episode. So I do think he has to continue to play like this. But I think it's so cool when you see somebody come out the second time. And like you said, he's having fun. He's dancing on the beach and stuff.

And as someone that played myself, I think I was so stressed out. I was like, I don't want to go home. But I think when you let go of like the expectations and the results, you kind of get to have fun. So it's cool to see someone reaping the rewards of taking a risk and just kind of letting go. I mean, he lost Emily here. I am worried about him moving forward,

but I am glad Rick is on this season. Yeah, he puts, I mean, we said it last week is like, even if it's not always like optimal gameplay, he's going to play like the most entertaining game. Yeah. Which obviously as viewers is like we mass like is so appreciated. And so I'm a little worried he could be out in the next episode or two, but well, obviously within the next two because that's the,

I guess the next vote or two. And now that we're at this, this tribe, I think this is the biggest instance that I can remember for me as a viewer of somebody getting voted out, but me thinking like they really played that vote like so, so well. And this is obviously me talking about Emily Flip and I thought, you know, A, you take her kind of to what Joanne was saying about these old stories that were sort of haunting people

her thoughts on what happened to her in 45 and she's like 821 if I'm in trouble let me take the wheel and make something happen yeah and if it weren't for Ceres extra vote now obviously without the extra vote created the split so I guess we don't really know

what the plan before they have voted for but I thought it was a really fantastic like layered nuanced plan for Emily to like convince them that Rick would play the ideal on her. But the sort of can be completely unselfish for the sake of this plan and be like, Rick, you're playing the idol for you. And that's not that you get Rick to fully buy in to be like,

I'm creating this plan that you have no risk involved in. In the best case scenario, it's going to really work a miracle for the two of us. But if she goes to Rick, but the plan is like, you should play the idol on me. Rick's going to be like, But if you know that Rick's going to want to play the idol for himself,

then to be like, how do I somehow twist this narrative in a way that he's going to make them think that he'd play it for me so that they vote for him instead? You know, it was like really, really well done, I thought. And it's better TV,

honestly. I think, you know, I think I saw on her exit press recently when someone asked her, would you choose, if you had to do it again, to do these odds or the shot in the dark odds because she describes this move as a Hail Mary,

right? Hill Mary is like, what, 1%? Like, this is your, your ass is grass. Like, you're gone, you know? Or, you know, a one in six shot. And I'm so glad she chose this route because it showed her strategic prowess. Yeah, she lets things slip and she's all over the place. I do you think you're the duality there where she's a chaotic, like, librarian.

She might look like normal, but she's very messy. But she has the strategic, you know, I, this was, I must say, I'm yapping a lot. But I do think this was the first time where I was really nervous for my girl, Surrey. I think the editors had me nervous. I was like, is it going to? I was sweat. And I'm like, yo, if this is a double boot of Ozzie and Surrey, I'm going to need another day off. Like, this is like too much, you know.

So I think the editor is good. Yeah. And it was. Yeah. a great point, all foiled by the fact that Sarri used your extra vote, which they didn't really show her considering too much, but I think obviously to

Ceree's credit to be like, look, and people get advantage I guess where they'll hold their advantage just for like the perfect moment. Talk about it, Jack. Talk about it. It's like, if you don't really know what's going on with this, I don't just use the extra vote. I thought that was so smart. And also interesting, because I don't know if we'd seen this.

I can't remember. It probably happened. I can't remember the last time it happened. where on the revote, they all vote again and to re-use your extra vote again because I also want to be if that could get reused and then often,

usually when there's a tie, it's those people don't vote. Right. Because of the extra vote and the component that it's like a secret extra vote, everybody has to vote again. I'll be honest.

That's pretty cool. That's like a good clarity to have, I guess for future players. Like if you have the extra vote, it plays on the revote too. Yeah, that was really. Yeah, I'll be honest. I was waiting for them five judges to come on in.

Like, I thought they just forgot that. They just let Sarri have the extra vote because I was like, no, wait a minute. Yeah, I was scared. Two extra votes. Yeah, my heart was racing. Do you guys just in the outside of Survivor 50, just Survivor in general for the extra vote, do you think it should be playable on a revote or no? So.

Taking this situation. out of it because with Surrey I think absolutely but no in general I don't think so but I also don't think that people that names that's how I went out on a split vote I wasn't able to vote again so I don't think that people that names were on

the chopping block should have been able to vote but then how would if you know given that she has an extra vote how would Sarie play her extra vote if she was I guess that was because if they're like hey Sarie Emily Sarie and Emily you can't vote again but Saris extra vote is valid

well then she has to be allowed to vote and because she's going to go up to the booth, they have to let Emily and her also vote again and then those will cancel out. I was confused. I thought that like on the extra vote, you can't vote again. So in my head, I'm like,

who's only voting is Jonathan, Tiff, and what, Devin's? So those three, I'm like, oh, by default, they're going to re-vote again and Emily's going to go home. I didn't realize. So can you break it down for me, Jack, when you have an extra vote, This is just for all the future survivor people. What is the textbook move?

So you have an extra vote. It ties. You can re-vote again, right? And vote the same way. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like you can use your extra vote again on the revote and vote for whomever. And the other thing is I think even, I guess even look, if they, well, so the given that the extra vote is in play and technically they don't know who's using it also. It could be someone that's involved in the tie like Surrey here.

it could also be someone that's not and so you kind of just have to let everybody vote again because if the extra vote is in play still or even if it's yeah if the extra vote is in play still even if it's not one of the people in the tie you can't just be like you guys aren't voting because then you know that one of the other people have the extra vote I guess so I don't know

I sort of agree with Bryce like I don't feel like the extra vote should be good on the re-vote like I think you get the extra vote once that's your extra vote so now on the re-vote you're getting essentially another extra vote. But I think maybe for like strategic maneuvering, it's okay because it makes the options more interesting.

But it does put things in a situation where like, someone can use an extra vote to like force a tie, do it again on the revote and like force the rocks, even though they don't have any numbers. Yeah, go ahead, right. Do you think this would be a thing like say? Because also I just wanted to confirm what Joanne just helped us confirm Posse.

Clearly we know. Jack is not just an alternate from season of 48. Jack is one of the five judges. Okay, we now know that. Okay, Jack was out there. I thought Tiffany did great. I didn't say anything.

But now this also has me pondering say we vote. It's split and we have to re-vote again. I haven't used my extra vote, but now on the re-vote, am I eligible to use my extra vote? It's a great question. I was thinking that too.

I don't. Well, you wanted to find how would you, how would you vote? That's such a great. No, no, I was just thinking that too. I don't think so because I think once you go to the re-vote, then you are not then allowed to use advantages. Like, for instance, you're not allowed to use an idol after the second, you know, the re-vote. Okay.

But I think all those things need to be done. But I think, I guess I think it's a great point of like if you're able to use it on the revote because you use it the first time around. Like I guess the fairness of all these things have to be done with the first vote so that you don't have all this additional information. That's letting you be like, oh, well, now I actually have to use my extra vote. Because imagine if you had a steal a vote. I know this is different, but I steal a vote and it was a tie and you go into the second vote or what a steal a vote. I'm like, hold up. Like that's kind of where like the producer.

I mean, the people would be like, who just stole my vote? That would be diabolical if like in the second you, sick. Imagine if you had, I forget how it comes up, but you know how you could be like, all right, I'm sitting this tribal out and just not be a part of vote. Imagine what it's supposed to vote. You were one of their tie people. You're like, I think I'm actually good. Yeah, I think that's what it is. It's like once that first vote happens, you then have so much knowledge of like, well, now it's tied.

between Bryce and Jowan, like, or it's time between me and Jowan, like, yeah, I'll use my extra vote now, obviously. But I don't know. It was interesting to see that. Fun fact. Your boy got voted out. Like the night that I go home is because the extra vote is in play too. It's not, I mean, there was a majority. Our vote was the final eight, five, three, one.

But I think that extra vote definitely did play a hand in. convincing Sophie to work with Savannah. So yeah, extra votes, man. I'm haunted by extra votes, too. They get you. Now, let's go to a different subject. Uh-oh. Okay, we'll use Deegs.

Now, I want to just talk about something real quick because on the social medias, I guess last week, It was interesting to see that they were saying that Joe was blocking a lot of people. Okay, Joe Hunter. Now, mind you, we love Joe Hunter over here. I like Joe. I love Joe. Now, my love language sometimes is, you know, jerking the chicken, pulling the chain a little bit.

It has to be a better word for that. It has to be a better phrase. That is the synonym. Anyway, I continue. Jerking this. This chicken is crazy. I'm just saying. I like to pull the chain.

So I love me some Joe Hunter. And so I did see a lot on social media where people were saying that like Joe was blocking people. But I do want to talk about Joe because I thought Joe, we got to see like peak Joe Hunter. And again, as much as I love cousin Ricky on Survivor, boy, do I love a Joe Hunter. right, where it's like we get back from that tribal and Joe is pissed. Joe is pissed. Joe is like, hey, hey, hey, hey, I don't like the way they was coming at Stephanie. That's below the belt.

And I love like collectively how everyone's like, well, I mean, it's Survivor. Right? You know, and Joe's like, but still, still, I don't like it. And then it's like for me, it's just so interesting where fast forward, Joe says me, Jonathan and Ozzy, we locked in. And now here is Jonathan pitching to Joe. Yo, your boy Ozzy got to go. He got to go.

and like Joe doesn't necessarily like it, but when Rizzo comes into play, now Joe is, he's willing to play ball. And so it's just like, I love just to think about how Joe plays because I think like a player like Joe is so interesting where it's like he's a hard cookie to crack, right? But it's like you have to be able to massage him in a way that, can work for you.

But I also say all that to say that like Joe's influence in the game had like, yeah, I hear a lot of people saying like, oh, he's a hypocrite, he's all it is and that.

But his influence, like the fact that like they have to persuade him. It's not like, because in normal situations, if we have to do all of that to persuade you, then it's like, Jack, forget Joanne.

Let's vote Joanne out, right? And it's like, it's like, look at coach. Coach, low key. Yo, just to jump on the train, my bad to interrupt you. But I love me some Joe, too, man. I think his influence on 50 is so important because in the beginning,

we have the old school versus new school. It's like you created your own, it's like a video game. You created your own, you know, survivor person, right? What's the name of the video? Outlast or something. I don't know, something cheesy. You got to, we'll workshop that. Jack.

Would you play, would you play a game called Outlast? Of course. Yeah. Is this a game that requires the headphones and the headset, Joanne? If you really want to be a merchant experience. Oh, yeah. The VR goggles, all that, all that. Okay, wait, time out.

We got a pattern this idea. And it's live so you and your friends could also be, okay. VR Survivor, come on, man. That's fire. Come on. I think we're on to something. But, um, how about Joe,

see this is stuff that pissed me off about that. You see his face lighting up. Like, do you see Jack? Like, wait, I'm transferring myself to the island. Computer.

Let me see my, let me see my car on this game. Computer. No, I love that. I love that. But no, no,

um, but I, what I love about Joe is like, he's like an old school soul imported into the new era, you know? And I think that, That's so cool.

And to see his morality kind of, you know, really be tested in these scenarios. It's kind of why I watch Survivor. You know, I love. Right. Right. I love their gameplay. Oh, my God, I can't lie, but I want a million dollars. Right.

Yes. Like, that's why we see each other. And that is when I poke, not poke fun at Joe, but that's what I love because it's like, it's real. He is really having a hard. time. And again, those are some of the most interesting players and some of like the most

dynamic players. But again, it's like, he's loyal. He's locked in. It's not like, and again, no disrespect to a coach, but like with a coach, if it came down to that, then it's like vote him out. But it's like they know Joe is solid. And as far as

as Joe blocking people on Twitter, because I did see some of that, look, I respect If you go online and you see people talking shit and you want to protect your peace, just block it. Also, listen. Go on. You want to get on the game? Let's go.

Let's go. Let's do it. Let's do it. It's like I see Mr. Beast. Get your shades on. Jimmy, is that? Is that Jimmy? I love that.

I need one of those, bro. And there's also a different. right where it's, again, where it's like we have humor and I think, again, Joe knows us. So it's like Joe knows our humor is rooted in love and it's like, first of all, I don't play about a Joe. Okay, I love a Joe. But again, like, and that's just another thing

where it's like, if y'all want to be nasty, like, sweetening it up a little. I don't know, but again, we love a Joe here. And again, the way that we love somebody on this podcast is we got to, we got to throw a little dope at them. We got to work this ticket. Yeah, we know, Joanne, because listen, we've seen Rome dunk on you, and Rome is 5-3.

What? What do you see that at? I'm just saying, when you stand next to the Rome, that better not be on the internet. You make Rome look tall, Joanne. Out of pocket. I'm out of, that's out of pocket. Wait, so genuine question about Joe, because, you know, you talk about, we talk about this with him and with coach and all this honor and integrity, and then they make a move.

we see he kind of lies to Ozzy here, but they always have a justification. What do we think Joe's going to come back and tell himself or the others about like, well, I just had to vote Ozzy. It was the honorable thing to do. Do you think he'll have a reason or is he going to get back and like his brain's going to start malfunctioning?

I think his justification would be Rizzo. What that Rizzo told him what to do? I'll be like, Rizzo came with the numbers and he was forced. And also, Ozzy has been a target. This is not like a new target. Ozzy's name's been out there for a minute. So you could easily hide behind maybe a Rizzo or a Jonathan who is there at both.

He had Jonathan have full power. So I don't think out of this vote people are going to go guns blazing at Joe. Like Joe can sit back. And I do think, you know, as much as he's, you know, Joe's like people have been kind of racking on him for, you know, like a bad social player. he must be doing something right to make it back to back seasons this far. And I'm sorry, has his name ever came up? I'm not saying this is 100% a winning game. I'm not saying this is ideal textbook one-on-one.

But as someone that voted out eighth, I don't, I was like, he doing something right. That's how I feel personally. Joanne, I always bring up this theory on this podcast that there's only one winner, right? And we know that. But if you can't win, what's the next best thing to do? Get as far as you can. And I always say, people don't respect that. People don't respect number two, number three, and number four.

Like, I really don't feel like how you started this podcast. Jack, shut up. Jack, what's your number? All I mean to say is, oh, what? All I mean to say is a number four could be someone that was playing for a number, like could have been a number one. And this, my rebuttal to this always, Joanne.

And not to say that there have not been, there's been plenty of great second place games, third place games, things like that. But I always say, like, because Bryce, you're sort of the, the hinge of your statement there was like, well, if you can't win, why not play for a second? And that's fair.

But everyone, when they go out there, they can win. And so, well, sure, I guess. Yes, sure. But all of my rebuttal is that ideally you should be trying to play a winning game. You should. You might be trying your best to play a winning game and end up getting second. That happens all the time.

But I feel like there are some people, and not necessarily saying that this is Joe or not, that sort of resign themselves to be like, I just want to make it to the final three. I'm not going to make the moves that I would need to make to win. And sometimes, look, Bryce, to your point of like, maybe not everybody's kids. capable of making those moves. Like, I've got names coming to mind that. You wouldn't expect them to be out there. Say my name.

If no one is around you, say, baby, I love you. That might not be the caliber of player to like swing the hole, though, and like make these big moves. So they just kind of want to hang. Maybe. Any other day, I will call you would say, baby, how's your day? But today it ain't the same.

Every other word is a harm. You're okay? Could that be the true or the quit with another lady? If you took a dare, first of all, let me say, I am not the one. Sit around and get play. Prove yourself to me. I'm your girl that you claim. Well, don't you say the things that you said to me yesterday.

I know you said, I don't assume a day. So I'm going down. It's the way it seems. Shouldn't be the reason why you act is strange. Jack. That was beautiful. This is right up your alley. I'm setting you up, Jack.

I definitely know the song. I'm setting you up, Jack. You know this song, bro. I am setting you. I know the song. The artist isn't coming to me, but I've obviously heard the song many times. Just go to your,

think of your Jack classic. It's not Desi's child. Okay. My baby boy is... Let's go. Let's go. See, sometimes I think I have it and I'm like, I don't want to say the wrong thing. You got to be confident, bro. You got to be confident.

No, you're good, bro. Trust yourself. Trust your instinct. That was beautiful. Thank you. Wasn't me. But yeah, we love Joe over here. I'm a big Joe fan.

Hopefully he gets more flowers. Yeah, I like him on this season. That's the thing. Sometimes on the show he could be frustrated, but like in real life seems like he's like too good of a person. for Survivor. A firefighter. That's why if he's people talk shit online, it's like

he's a family man and a firefighter generally kind of a hero. You don't have to go on Twitter and listen to people talk shit on you. But to your point though, Jack, when you said like when some people are resigned to playing this like I'll get to number four. No, four is good though.

Right, no, but what I'm saying, no, but to your point though, like I do agree where you're just like some people are just resigned to, hey, I'll take eight and I'm good. I don't know if season 50 has Joe's name on it, right? But what I'm saying is I don't believe from watching this that he's throwing in the towel. You know what I'm saying? And that's so and that is another thing to be said where it's like,

I don't think he's throwing in the towel. This man is standing on his ground. And I would theorize that maybe Joe just, you know, he looks at the survivor so different. To him, he's probably not really thinking of these like final three permutations and like who can I beat, who can I not beat? It's sort of like, let me just do the best I know and get to the end and then, like, see what happens. And he's maybe not calculating, like, who's going to vote for who and like, what moves do you have to make it.

I think to him, he's like, if I play my game and I get to the end, that's all I can do. And we've seen people that have done that and have won, right? Like, so again, that's what I'm saying. Like, Joe is a very like, he's a very, yeah, he's a very new one. I think Sandra had some more. intentionality about how she I think in Pearl Islands I think she just probably like

she's the originator of anybody but me right wasn't her goal I mean she probably wanted to win I'm not saying she didn't want to win but she had a strategy just day by day I mean I think but that is to my point of more of a strategy of you know and also look I'll say it's a lot different to me

a little bit especially old school but also factoring in a final two because with a final two it's like I could just kind of be there and if I'm against The one person I know he digs, I'm good. But that's a little harder to swing in a final three. You know what I mean? Yeah.

My last thing about Joe is I can kind of relate to him in a weird way of like, you know, I feel like my struggle with 49 is I wasn't confident about a vote. So like, you know, with the Nate vote on the merge episode, our big movement, I really wanted Rizzo to go. But I didn't want to go against the majority or the majority that I thought at that time. And they wanted to go against Nate. I'll let it rock. But that can kind of steamroll and like that snowball can really work against me.

Happened again with the MC. Happening again with Alex. I mean, I think Alex was me more on sage. I'll take ownership on that. But with Joe, I feel like when you flash back to coach and he didn't want coach to go, he really didn't want him to go.

He was the one pushing against it, but he let it go. He let the bus hit him. Same with Stephanie. Yeah. I mean, they forced him. Yeah, they had the forcing the rewrite coach.

And same thing I feel with. Stephanie kind of. He was just like, all right, it is what it is. But I do feel like sometimes not voting correctly can maybe help you in the future in a weird way. Say if he didn't wrote a coach, he didn't wrote Stephanie. If he gets to the end, I mean like, hey, I loved y'all. I didn't vote again. I stuck to my word. I think when you're right and against them, that's what happened with me. Like, I think it's a different perception if I don't vote me. If I don't vote MC, I don't vote Alex. There's a different perception of Joanne. They're like, Oh, I knew where the votes were going, but I still stuck to my word.

So I think that's similar with Rizzo. Rizzo's going to have a tough time convincing people. I think Joe, too, like, during me like, well, you said this. People feel hurt if they feel attached to you. So I love Joe and I can relate to his gameplay. It does depend on the jury for sure. And I do think there is something, sometimes jurors might think they were in the right, you know, a lot of times. And maybe if you're working with them and happened to be on the wrong side of the numbers,

but were like with them and the jurors might be like, well, they had the right idea. It just didn't work. Like, they were thinking like I was thinking and it didn't work out and they were able to survive based off that. But obviously I think it depends

with the jury values because, you know, usually, yeah, that's like the social component of it. There's one more thing I want to talk about too. I know we've been jumping everywhere, but this is so fun. I'm loving this.

But I think the biggest thing for me, you know, your boy's a little marshmallow. I'm a little soft. I'm a little, am I a little good with the beard? Ha, ha, ha. Hey. You know, something like, something like, oh. But I didn't deep down, I watch Survivor for real conversation.

So the moment, probably my favorite moment of this episode was the Oscar and Rick Devin's conversation, people that might have been at odds. Yeah. But to see them connect over the letters, to see them connect over grief and being a father and the lack of that. As for me, I'm like, wow. I mean, that's why I love Survivor. And I think he was so beautiful that Ozzy got another great flashback.

We see him at Final Tribal talking about how upset he was with his dad. But now after losing him, he feels like, dang, I wish I kind of like, I wish I gave him more props because he was in a different country. And I just think that's when Survivor is running at its best when we have real conversations like that. So vulnerability, I just love it. I love that as well, Joanne. I think just Oscar and his dad, I think that touched me, but I think the thing that brought me to tears, because I'm a softy as well,

I can cry at a drop of a dime. And again, like we said, Rick Devons and Ozzy, they haven't really been working together. And again, I think it's like, at times like this, for me, this is when we say Survivor is a microcosm of the world, where it's like we don't have to agree on everything. thing, but there are some things that bring us together. And when Rick, when Ozzy was sharing his story to Rick Devin's, and when Rick Devin's got

emotional and when Rick Devin says something to the effect of like, me as a father, I will look at my son like this. And I know that that's how your dad. Like, I was just like, oh, like that, oh, that hit. And like, you are absolutely right. That was like such a beautiful moment. And again, full circle for Ozzy, like, although Ozzie does. didn't win. And sometimes Survivor,

although Jack says you got to go out there to play to win, you're not playing to win a million dollars, what are you doing out there? But again, I think that Wendell has said in previous episodes that Survivor 50 is about kind of like retiring some of our legends and like we might not see them anymore on our screen and also like propelling some of our new legends. And like even you brought up like Emily flipping and Jack

like how she went out, right? Like it begs to see her again. But I felt like with Ozzy, it was like a full circle moment where although you didn't win the million dollars, you came a complete full circle in your life. You've healed something in you. And that, that you can't put a price on that. And so you are absolutely right about that, Joanne.

100%. No, it did feel like sort of a great moment that almost encapsulated his whole arc from his time on Survivor. Because the way he spoke about it, it's like then you could put even his time on Cook Islands in a perspective in the way that he grew, throughout it and where he is now,

they did such a good job in those like couple minutes of showing it of being like, this explains so many things about Ozzy that we never really had any idea about and it kind of just put his whole journey perspective. I'm just going to say it. It's a hot take, clip this moment,

timestamping. Okay. This might be Joanne's favorite episode of the season. That's a big I know that's big I know we still got some

I know we just had Mr. Beats and then we have more episodes to go but I just felt like the storytelling was so rich and then Ozzy's goodbye devastating devastating and yeah go ahead

Bryce jump in jump in I just was again because you know Joanne I could get emotional and I can get I let my body be a vessel And I think for me, the pivotal moment for Ozzy was when like, Ozzy thought he'd been playing this million dollar game.

And he got to this beach and at this point, he put his landing gears down and he was landing a plane and he's trying to do all of this stuff. And it just reminds me of people in ourselves where it's like we can grow out of bad traits and like, you know, we are involved and we think like we're good people and like we're at a place in our life where we're like, we are good. And I think that the Ozzy story for me, the way it touched me was like, we're ever evolving creatures. Like we don't ever put the landing gear down because guess what? There are still places we need to go even when we think we have that million

dollars. Like that was like what I took away from Ozzy and it was like for me, y'all know I love me some Oscar and it's like Ozzy the million dollars ain't nothing to you my love like you got something better coming but you had to get to this moment that's like and like oh Joe I'm so happy you brought here we brought it here because we like we joke so much

for one Survivor News and it's like that was such a real moment that I felt where it's just like yeah like we get complacent or we're like we think we're good or we think like we're at the point of like and it's like no no no no baby like there is no ceiling

We can continue to evolve. I love that, Bryce. And you know me. I love me some horror movies. But watching his goodbye felt like a tragedy. Like, you know, a William Shakespeare tragedy because they beautifully laid out the dream he was happening. He was like, yo, I just had a dream that I got voted out with an idol. And this has happened to this man.

Micronesia. Like, it's happened before. So it's just kind of beautifully tragic in a weird way. Like he gets so close. again, arguably playing the best game he's ever. He's actually adapted himself. He's Oscar now. He's having a social game.

He's playing in the middle. He doesn't need immunities. He has idols. And for him to like kind of get like a prophecy that, hey, it's going to be you tonight. And then they they beautifully have him talk about his dad. He connects with Rick Devin's. And he was supposed to be the target like episode one and two. Remember, Ceri and Ozzy won't.

the bottom against Rick and like Christian and them. So to see him make it out of that and fall into complacency again, it is beautiful, it is tragic and this is why I like Survivor. Yeah. And it's like comedy. Sorry, I had the

like it's a great, it's a great shot. It's kind of a like Hamlet a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he he like reminded of his father and he like sees like his dream. dream is almost like seeing the ghost of of that and then it was like a tragedy. He dies.

Yeah. Come on. Come on college educated men, okay? But also. But also. You know, like, his team effort.

But also, how many times in our lives does our intuition tell us something and we ignore it? Right. Like how many times did the saxophone start playing? How many times are like, you know, The spidey senses. The spidey senses.

It's like you got to trust your intuition sometimes. And again, you go against your better judgment. And again, like, that's why it's like, yeah. I'll throw out a weird. Sorry, I'll throw it. I know we're wrapping up. Like, I think that Ozzie's whole spiel to Aubrey was really the downfall. And obviously things in the game can shift a lot.

But when we talk about, you know, him not playing. his idol was such a sign of trust in the people he thought he had, which I felt like maybe he should have had. But what I will say is, look, like, to me, it sort of reaches a point where it's not about the idol, because if he needed to play the idol here, is it not sort of a sign that his game was in a lot of jeopardy anyways? And not to say that you wouldn't rather play it, survive, and see what happens. but if you're at nine and your second closest ally is turning on you

and everybody but seri really seems to want you out then at that point it's almost like let me see if I could get through this keep my idol and use that to my now I'm not saying that obviously knowing these things you you play the idol but it's like the fact that he even had to play the idol like if he had played the idol as successfully it's like he still is sort of in trouble I mean, but also brings up Rick Devon's, though. Rick Devon's did it.

And he's still going to be in trouble, but at least Rick is on the beach. Rick is on the beach, you know. Obviously, things can change where Ozzy is a challenge beast, whatever. It's so about. But I do think it's, I mean, to the point of Rick Devons, the fact he had to do all these things, kind of assign his game not in the best state. Obviously, things can change. But he played that way in his first season.

I keep jumping in my bad, bro. But he played that way when his first season. That's what he's used to. He's the type of guy that's probably used to a toxic relationship. It's like, this is normal for me. It worked out last time. And like, you know, he made it to the final, what, three lost? He lost.

Maybe he's a unique case. Right, right. That's very much. Look, that's not to say the game can change a lot. But it was more of like, I think it was less about the not playing of, this is more almost in defensive eyes. It's like it's not about the not playing of the idol. It's the fact that the people he thought he was close with who I think he had every reason

to trust. wanted him out. So it's like, yeah, if you play the idol, but it just, it just kind of shows his game was already in kind of a delicate spot. Granted, it is also tough with these like split tribals where maybe you're not on the best footing with three people, but if you're at a tribal of nine,

that's not as big of a deal necessarily. And, you know, to counter my own point, to go back to Surrey, she could probably get him right. So, you know.

Absolutely. but one thing's for sure, two things for certain is two episodes left and a lot can happen and a lot is shifting and I'm very blessed to be able to have this conversation with these two young lads that could bring out the emotional, the funny, the chaotic.

Joanne said, well, why you take a shot at me? Okay, listen, we come full circle over here. Oh, yeah. But it's all love. And so, Joanne, it's been an honor for you to finally popular. Wait up. Hold up. Wait, I don't know what you're about to say. Hold up. Wait, I don't know what you're about to say. Hold up. Wait, wait a minute. Before y'all send me out the door, who we rooting for? Who's the winter pigs? Y'all can't end this without telling me who y'all rooting for. Bryce and then Jack. I mean, listen, I'm made it very clear. I'm rooting for Surrey. I'm rooting for Aubrey. I'm rooting for Tiffany. I'm rooting for the Reds God. I'm rooting. for Rick Devons and I'm rooting for Joe Hunt. Yeah.

Do you just name all seven? You sound like Surrey. You didn't say Jonathan. Ah, sure. I mean, my top two got to be Tiffany and Devons with Surrey and Rizzo

a notch below, I would say. Can I let me almost jump in. Is this weird to say I almost, I'm absolute, first of all, Did you all see the Riz God on the Empire State Building, like yelling? The Empire State, he was at Empire State Building, yelling.

I was just like, I wonder what Venus is thinking right now. But in a weird way, the way that I am loving the Ark of Riz God, is this weird to say I almost don't want Riz God. Like, I want him to win, but I don't even want them to win season 50. You want to see more unfinished. I want to see more. I want to see more and more of the Riz God. but I don't want to see him from a winner's art

because sometimes when you see returning players, you see how they just snip all of the winners, right? Like, it's like, but that sounds like so weird to say, but like, I'm not more. He's got so much left, I think, in his survivor's career that it's almost like you want him to keep chasing that, maybe. But I'm rooting, but that's it, but that's who you got your mind. I mean, for Rizzo to win this season would be like,

like, it would be fun, but it would be kind of a weird, surprise outcome. It would be a crazy two-season art. I think it would help 49 age better. Like if you had to watch 49, like as a pre-recorded, like, oh, to see his arc and to see him blossom into a win, that would be kind of cool. I don't know if they've ever done something like that, you know, a two-season arc like that. That would be crazy. That, like, that would be. Other than Russell, Russell Hans with 19 and 20. Yeah, but no one's ever obviously won right off the two seasons. So. Russell Hans never won.

Well, I'm saying even people that went back to back, they've never. I mean, people have gotten close. Like Amanda, Russell, all that. So you can only pick one person, Joanne, who you're rooting for? Oh, you can't do me like that. You can't do me like that. Obviously, I would love for a seri win. To end 50 with a seri win, they can't get no better than that.

That's an automatic top three. season in a while time. But I'm rooting for, I feel like I'm really, I got a root for my boy Rizzo. I got a root for Joe. But I, you know, someone we haven't talked about a lot. I feel like I really like Aubrey, how scrappy she was on the bottom. I rewatched Kowrong's like highlight of her on Kowrong. And she's underrated like scrap. Like she's used to playing from the bottom. So I want to give Aubrey some flowers. But I think I really want Surrey to finish this. staying out. But I love you guys and thank you for this. This has been really cool, man.

Always, Joanne. Dream come true. Stop it, Joanne. It's been a dream for us. But again, we got two episodes left. It's a lot that can happen. It's been an honor to pop Joanne's Purple Pants podcast, Cherry.

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