RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast: Survivor News 50 Ep 6 Recap | Cut From The Same Cloth ft Zeke Smith

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Purple Pants Podcast: Survivor News 50 Ep 6 Recap | Cut From The Same Cloth ft Zeke Smith The baby boys Brice, Wendell, and Jack are back this week with special guest Zeke Smith from Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X and Survivor: Game Changers, breaking down Survivor 50 episode six, “The Blood Moon.” After a mysterious message leads to a long-awaited merge, the game takes a wild turn with a Survivor first as the cast is split for three separate Tribal Councils in one chaotic night. Add in a jungle advantage hunt, an Applebee’s reward that lifts spirits for only a moment, and a blood moon twist that changes everything, and this episode delivers pressure from every angle. Brice, Wendell, Jack, and Zeke dig into the new merge dynamics, the shifting power, and how one of the most unpredictable episodes of the season could reshape the game moving forward Tickets and updates for Brice and Wen 50 events: https://briceandwenpresent.flite.city/ You can also watch along on Brice Izyah’s YouTube channel to watch us break it all down https://youtube.com/channel/UCFlglGPPamVHaNAb0tL_s7g LISTEN: Subscribe to the Purple Pants podcast feed  WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks! Previously on the Purple Pants Podcast Feed: Purple Pants Podcast Archives

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comments what you think about this week's recap. Babebe, the merge or purge. Whatever one you say, because I don't even know if it was really a merge. Because if you didn't make the jewelry, it's not a merge, but Babeay,

three people went home and this survivor purge and your baby boys are here to discuss. I'm joined this week with Jack Atkins, Wendell Holland, and myself, and we have the legendary Zeke Smith from Survivor, Millennials versus Gen X and Survivor Game Changers with here. And, babe, Bay, Zeeke is cutting up with us like he is one of the baby boys. And so we are getting into the Applebee's of it all.

We're getting into the merge that's not a merge. We're getting into the three tribal councils. We're getting into the nuances of it all. We're getting into whose cloth is cut from what. We're getting the answers and we're getting to the bottom of it. So let's get in to this week's Survivor News. What's up, everyone, covering News, covering Survivor Season 50, Episode 6.

You know what it is, your favorite Survivor's favorite Survivor podcast, and we got an episode for you. I thought I didn't like scary movies, but I guess I'll say I'll watch The Purge if you want me too. Let's get back into it. We are blessed to have the man, the myth, the legend, my best friend. Somebody know him as Winnie's daddy, Wendy's Holland. How are you? I am good. It's good to be here. I'm excited to talk about this episode. Yes. And also, it's three o'clock somewhere, but Jack is awake. Welcome back. Jack Akers from the Circle, Season 2, and of most importantly, the floor is lava. Jackery, how you feel,

I'm feeling good, man. I'm glad I got the memo that we're all wearing green today. Little delayed St. Patty's vibe. And I'm also about a crack-over with a new soda flavor. I've never even tried. Oh. Is that a Dr. Pepper Cherry Crush? It is.

Oh, my God. I'm from Dr. Pepperland. So you got to give me the review. Same here. But yeah, my buddy went to the world market and found this. Apparently it's from, I think maybe the UK or something. Now I'll let you know when I tap in. Right on.

Please do. And of course, saving the best for last. We are truly honored to have this accomplished writer, storyteller, public speaker, advocate for the LGBTQ plus community, a legend from Survivor, Millennials Gen X, and Survivor Game Changers, otherwise known as My Zeke. We have Zeke Smith with us. Welcome, Zeke. How are you? Hey, how's it going? I'm good.

I was just telling before we started recording, I haven't done a recap podcast since Wendell's first season. And it might have been before that. I don't know. But it's definitely like mid-30s last time I did this. So if I'm a little rusty, give me a little leeway. We got you.

Is that the reason why you stopped doing the recaps after you saw who won? No, I stopped watching. I kind of needed to separate, you know, myself from Survivor and move on to the next chapter of my life and all that jazz. And yeah, and I was like, well, I'm going to watch 50. I've got to watch 50. And since I'm watching, I'm like, well, now I want to talk about it with someone.

I wonder Bryce would have me on the pod. Zeke, stop playing. Listen, I almost call CBS and said, can you release the episode early so we can talk to Zeke? They would probably say, no, but we can take away your Paramount Plus subscriptions. We can ban you from talking about Survivor. That description might have been canceled, don't Zieg.

What has it been like for you re-intering and watching Survivor 50? Like, what's your hot takes on the season thus far? Well, so for me re-entering, it's been a lot of fun. So I've been going to a lot of viewing parties. In L.A., we have this bar called High Tops. It's a gay bar, but it's for everybody. And everyone said they have a huge Survivor viewing party. It's packed.

You have to get there at 530 to get a seat. And so I've been going and it's been a lot of fun. And I think like for me, this rewatch or watching the season of Survivor had just been fun. I think that's what the season is like. I think people are having fun. They're having a good time. Colby is finding his joy amongst his old age. You know, he's hobbling off into the Survivor old folks home, you know, with joy in his heart.

And I really, I really, I'm loving it. I think there's a lot of silly stuff that's happening. Like this whole episode of like, all right, you're merged. But then you're not merged. But right, it's just sort of like, because this is what survived, you know, people can take survivor seriously and think it is this like, you know, august scam or whatever. But really, it's just a bunch of like goofy people at the whims of whatever Jeff Probst decided to dream up that day.

And I think this just sort of like celebrates that into. doesn't try to cloak it in too much, whatever else. I agree. It's definitely a fun season. And speaking of watch parties, Wendell and I just got back from the Ron Clark annual watch party extravaganza. Oh, that's right. Everybody went to that.

How was it? It was amazing. I mean, it was, we went last year. We had a great time. I didn't think it could get any better. but it got better. It was so many people. Surrey, Christian,

Q, Asia, Davy. I think Aubrey said she was going. Aubrey was there. Her husband. I feel like I'm missing. Who else was there, Wendy Z? Star was there. Joe was there.

Tyler Perry was there. For real? Yeah. Tyler Perry was there. I was walking by Tyler Perry said, Bryce. I said, hello. Hello.

You know my name? Tyler. So it was. Did he have a medallion of power on him? He did not, but I did ask him if he had the Tyler Perry Heide. He did not, though. But with the Savira watch parties, Wendell and I are on the road to 50, along with Ozzy on tour with his friends. And next week, we will be in San Francisco, Bryce and Wynn, 50.

Following San Francisco will be in Boston. Next week, Ozzie and Jolensky, the legend, will be in Las Vegas. Following that, they'll be in Ozzy, will be in Miami. And we've got so many other tour stops coming for you. We'll be in St. Louis. We recently announced the Baltimore finale with Gabe Ortiz. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Wendy'sy, the Bryson Wynn finale for New York City has dropped. So please get your tickets now and enjoy Survivor with us.

It's nothing like watching Survivor with people that watch Survivor. It is so much fun. Tickets are available. You can click the link in this YouTube video or at Bryson Win Present. And we will see you on the road to 50. so much to cover. It's a question. Yes.

You're not coming to L.A. where I live now, but you went to Oklahoma City where I grew up. And the bar you went to is owned by the guy who was the quarterback of like the state championship football team for my high school in 1998. He's Graham Colton, former like, you know, rock star. I think at one point he dated Kelly Clarkson. Did you get a chance to meet him? No, that's okay. I don't know if he was there or not.

But how was Oklahoma City? Zika was amazing. I had never been before. Well, funny as it is told, last season we went to Kansas City. And when DZZ, Zeeke thought we were in OKC. And I had to tell him repeatedly like Kansas City and Oklahoma City are different. But Oklahoma City was so much fun. I love the vibe.

I wasn't sure if I'm being honest. I didn't know what I was going to give myself into. But the area in which we were. I was shocked at how many black-owned businesses, how many like the queer areas. Like I was shocked. So the people were amazing. We had such a good time.

And I think we are, Ozzy or I think we're still doing something in L.A. Zeke, so we'll have to make sure. Yes, I think though. I think I won't be in town. I think Ozzy is going to be in town. See you play, Zeke. Well, y'all aren't coming.

And that's the most important part. True. Very true. Well, Zick, no, I want to see. Oklahoma City is amazing,

Zic. It was my first time there too, and I was able to go to a Thunder game, which was very fun. The one, my one critique about Oklahoma City was, I didn't know that it was that windy out there. So,

girl, the song says when the wind comes sweeping down the plane. It's in the song. You know that's our one. It's tornado alley. Like, do we have come of those tornadoes? And you're not logging. Zeke, we land.

If you don't, if you didn't know it was Wendy, then you didn't like Google anything. Yeah. I'm the idiot for sure. But, you know, I learned when we were on the little scooters and Bryce was just blowing all over the place. We had a tornado watch. Zeke, the alarms went off.

I called the front desk. I'm like, what do I do? do. They were like, enjoy it. Enjoy it. Enjoy what? So it's so common that when I was in high school, we all took our finals in like the, you know, like the common, like the open common area at the bottom of the building. And there are these big windows.

And I was taking a Spanish final and the sirens blow. We all look up from our tests like, do we go to the tornado shelter? And the teachers, they kind of look at each other. They look at the windows. They look at like the thing coming down and they're like, No, it's going away from us. Keep taking your tests. When the tornado sirens blow, usually in Oklahoma, that is the impetus to go outside and stand on something high and look for where it is.

Oh, wow. How many tornadoes did you, like, growing up? Was it a dozen that you interacted with? Was it like 50, you know? Well, so I have never had to, like, go to the, you know, the Heidi place and a tornado. tornado like went over me. Yeah. But there have been tornadoes within like a quarter mile of wherever I was on many,

many occasions. Sure. Yeah. I'm scared. Jack, where did you watch Survivor 50th yesterday? Well, I got back from the concert pretty late. So my friend and I, after the concert, we just came back to mine and we threw it on at like midnight and just watched it.

Was it, was it a two-hour episode? Because we watched with no commercials. It felt pretty long. It was some type of. Interruption Yeah, because it was It was 126 without commercials Yeah

Yeah There was an East Coast interruption While you guys were watching too Something Something was on my My screen I didn't Yeah

I didn't see it That's not gonna get The Ron Clark Academy fired out No, not at all Oh and Zander was there My Zander was in the room? Yes

So we had a A really great episode, a lot of thoughts. I just want to start off by saying, if it's honor and integrity, but it's only when you are with the people that you trust or like, I'm just confused as to how honor and integrity, if you playing in the game with honor and integrity, how does that work?

work because I feel like I saw a lot of dishonesty and a lot of no integrity happening. So I just, I thought that was very interesting, but it's the game of survival. Does anyone know how that works? You know, I've never played yet. Right. You're telling me that coach Benjamin Wade doesn't have his strategy all figured out. I think it was It was interesting to see

Coach kind of being playing in the new school style That you know we saw what was it Who was it was it Jonathan That was like you know I'm talking to Camilla and to Sorry I haven't watched a lot of these people's season So I had to write their name sound

Camilla and Tiff And they're just telling me whatever I want to hear I can't trust them. I'm going to go with, with, you know, Cerey in the older school, older schools, right? Or no, no, no, I'm going to go with Stephanie and Chrissy.

Yeah. And I think that's what we saw is like coach kind of being like, I'm out here with the new kids. I got to play the way the new kids play, which is just tell anybody what they want to hear. If, you know, Joe wants to hear honor and integrity, he's going to hear honor integrity. And if, you know, so-and-so wants to hear,

let's just vote together one vote and then we vote apart. And then we get back together, you know, whatever it is. I'm loving it. I am loving seeing, like, I'm loving seeing coach. I just, I love coach in general. I love seeing him on my television. I love he's got feathers and beads in his hair. I travel counsel.

And I'm obsessed. So knock on her integrity all you want. Whatever coach does is right. Well, coach is a great, I think this was a epitomization of why coach is such a good character, is that a lot of times he'll find himself in the driver's seat. And in those spots, It's all honor and integrity.

And if you go, it's the group, you don't have honor. But then when he gets in a position where he has to scramble a little bit, he kind of ditches those things, does that. And then he self-justifies of like, it's still honor. It all through coaches' lends, like, makes sense. Well, and that's why he got in trouble in South Pacific. Yeah. Because I am a bit of a, I'm a bit of a coach truther.

Do you think coach played the best game in South Pacific, but I understand why people didn't vote for him. because by his own metric of honor and integrity, he didn't play by. But that's why he's so interesting to watch. He has these varying values that are competing within his own mind that he just can't actually like fully like merge together because it's not diametrically opposed.

But I think that's why I love like that's what makes coach so awesome. It's like in the South Pacific example is great. It's like he's doing all of that. Like I think it's a, it's a person. like storytelling. It's a great narrative. He has exceptions for himself, but not for anyone else. So he'll apply the exceptions to himself.

And then, you know, if other people do it, then, you know, the Dragon Slayer's back, baby. Yeah. He's back. It's funny to see him real time, though, like when he's, and I'm jumping all over the place, but Jack, you could lay the belt whenever me. I thought it was so interesting to see his interaction

with D and like, you know, them locking in and him telling D like, oh, you know, Emily was saying your name yesterday and I tried to stop her. I said, hey, hey, hey, hey. And D was like, well, why didn't you tell me last night? Right.

Go to like, oh, oh, you got me. Go to like, last night, what's last night? I'm telling you now. But it's just, I love, I always wonder in those moments what I would do if I know someone's lying, right? Do I just like go along with them or do I clock their tea? And declocking his, but the way she did it was just like, oh, really?

Well, why you ain't telling me last night when we had hours and hours and hours and hours? And so it's just interesting to see how coach navigates that, which, like you said, Z, it's the best to watch, which is why it's like I'm so happy coach is on our screen because love or hate him, be-bay, Mr. Coach Benjamin Wade is going to deliver. Oh, yeah. That confessional was great, too, when he, like, literally, tried to put his foot in his mouth. Can you put your foot in your mouth, Wendy's?

Yeah. I've never tried it, but I probably could. Oh. Try it. Nice. That was kind of impressive. Try it, Wendell. Let me see.

The WikiFeed is going to have a field game with all these. Oh. That's pretty close. Oh. Oh. Yeah, there you go. It's actually like 18 inches away, but just because it's behind. Camera magic.

Yeah. 18 inches. Okay, Bryce Isaiah. Just measuring the feet. Okay. Where are we going, Jack? Well, I guess, I mean, we have to acknowledge one of the most surprising twists in survivor history, the blood moon.

In case you didn't know, it was a blood moon. So, yeah, that's sort of the overarching theme of the episode, right? And I guess to start it off, I kind of just curious, like, what did you guys think about this twist? Not only, like, I mean, we're dealing with the merge, and then there's this exile bit for Ozzie and Rizzo, and then we redistribute in the three tribes and one gets voted out. There's a lot going on, and I'm just curious, like, did you guys, like this, not like this?

My first thing is, so I've seen Jeff rapping, and now we've seen Jeff giving what amounts like Shakespearean soliloquy. So my question is, is Jeff just sort of open to whatever performance opportunities might arise after 50, or does he have a

specific career trajectory that he is thinking, that he wants to be like doing Hamilton, like doing theater but rapping? I think he says, in the waters. I think the only thing we're missing, I think next week, if Jeff starts dancing, then I'm gonna have to text you, Zika,

be like, you want to something here. I do. I love, I feel like he rushed through it, maybe a little, he was a little too fast on it, but I love to soliloquy and think, we're thinking, and like nature, what's like a metaphor for nature? What's like a better metaphor to nature than a bloodoo?

Now, do we know they keep saying in the hands of the fans and every episode I'd be asking who's actually hands of the fans? The fans voted and I'm like Jeff is the biggest fan of all it's Jeff's hands so we got it because I was like

now I voted now I thought you asked me for colors and rice I don't remember seeing blood move because I probably would have clicked on it Do y'all think this purge that happens? Do we, we know how sometimes Survivor goes off of the cuff depending on what happens. We know Kyle left early, so we didn't get to necessarily have him vote out.

Do we think any way that it could have just maybe been intended for two or did they realize like, oh wait, oh, oh shit, we got 17 people. What do we do? No, I think it was meant for three. Okay. Right, because we've seen two people get voted out in an episode, right, an emerged episode before. I actually, I like this idea. I like the idea of sort of like, this is our red wedding, this is the blood moon. We, you know, continued it to like the red light, you know, wash on tribal.

And that it did feel very vicious because it was just whoever you happen to draw rocks and be a color with. And there were some groups where you're like, well, like Aubrey Devons and Christian. that just seems like a natural pairing, or a natural grouping. Same with Chrissy, Stephanie, and John. But then they're in, so you could have got, you know,

we talk about getting swap fucked, and this was sort of like, by getting blood moon fucked. Getting swap fucked on steroids. So I think when they try to compensate for people going out early, you know, medivacs or quits or whatever,

that's usually towards the end. The end and like how quickly you go to tribal council. You know, they figure that in, towards the end. Just a little insider baseball. But yeah.

I guess my question is because I do like the blood moon purge. But I almost would have liked it if we stayed in the three different tribes because one of my biggest gripes is I hate

purgatory, right? Like I hate like, don't, because Zeke, I don't know if you know this, but I never made the merge. And when I play Survivor, I never, I didn't intend to win. Spoiler alert, okay? I didn't go out there and say I'm a win.

But I did go out there in my mind I wanted to make the merge. Like that was like the epitome of everything for me. So you can be datable. Yeah. Yes. And like, you know, I wanted to be cooking the eggs and, you know, make the merge fees.

And so like I would be so pissed if we merge. And then you tell me, that three of us is going to die tonight. And you're not making the jewelry. Like that pisses me off. Like it's like if I, if you're calling it a merge, then I need to be on the jewelry.

Stop with this purgatory murgatory. Like I hate that as a survivor fan. So when you have been okay with, it's they bring everybody, let's say to the challenge beach and say, drop your buffs and you're drawing a buff just for one night. no I feel like

So it wasn't like We're merging It was like We are swapping tribes But just for one night And then after this we're gonna merge Okay A normal swap and emerge

Yeah yes Okay no I like that Sorry because I just heard drop your buffs And my mind went Right so it's not like I'm not like saying like Oh you've merged You get the yellow merge buff

It's we're still in the pre-merge I agree with There's a lot A lot of things I want to speak on First of all I agree with Bryce. They do this so many seasons. They merge.

Sometimes it's for like one vote or a mergerary. And it's like, we're splitting you back up. It's like, just do a swap. Like, just call it a swap. Call it what it is. I also not seeing this talk about a lot. I don't really understand the whole exile thing. Like we lose Ozzie and Rizzo for the whole episode.

To me, it would have been better. Well, here's the thing. Here's there where they did have to compensate for Kyle leaving is they, because if Kyle was there, then they would have had. you know, another third, right? They'd had 666, the devil. But because they didn't, they had to find some

way to get two people out of there. Well, I guess was a pretty much. Go ahead. Well, I just, I would have liked, I think, one more, like, one more double tribal with those swap tribes

like we saw last week where two tribes go to tribal and then you're at a natural 15 and you can do this twist. But also, I think a big issue is like you know you split in these groups of kind of what zeke said there's these natural coalitions that form and you talk about getting swap screwed and genevieve sort of said it i'm not saying genevieve couldn't have maneuvered a little bit better but you end up on a group with christian devons and aubrey who are all like old friends essentially it's like one you and that's part of

the game but in a season this big like there should be more ability to maneuver this kind of goes back to those issues we've set cited with those three tribe format to begin with and And it kind of just puts people in, on, like, unnecessary trouble without much room to maneuver. And it's touted as this big, crazy twist that has never been seen before. It's like, okay, we've seen this so many times with, like, two tribes. This is basically the same thing. I think they could have gotten a lot more creative with it to actually throw, like, the players for a bigger strategic loop.

I wonder if there, because there's so many advantages in the game right now, I wonder if almost the putting people on these, like, you know, three tribes was meant to, kind of flush some of these advantages so they can be recycled so we could have new ones in the post-merge era and I thought it was interesting aside from Gen B. playing a shot in the dark,

nobody played anything. Even though we had idle telephone to start the episode on. And I love idle telephone. I have the originator of idle telephone, by the way. Hello? Like, that's

and that's why I love the swapped tribes, right? Where it's like For me, it's not even to like flush out the idols per se. It's like I love the connections that people make. And then it's like you never know who is connected to who. But I loved seeing idol or telephone with the idol where it's like everyone knows everything. And it's interesting to see who's delivering who and who's telling what. It makes it so interesting.

But I loved one of the bigger moves that ultimately we won't see. I love the fact that Genevieve didn't even tell Rizzo because I was like, okay, like, now this is, we getting into dark survivor here. And I love it. Where when Rizzo was like, hey, Genevieve, was it you? And Genevieve was like, what? What are you talking about? I was like, okay, Genevieve is locking in.

Would you have done that, Wendell? I would have liked to hope I would have done it. I mean, if I, I would have been pissed if I'm finding two idols and had to send them to somewhere off jump. And we see this talented idol finder go home because of it. But yeah, I think she did a good job in trying to connect with Ozzy, right? Yeah. Telling him and then and not doing it with Rizzo. Because that was, she wanted it to work on Rizzo, right?

Yeah, she wanted it back. Yeah. Yeah. She got it back. She didn't want that info to be out there. So, and she's forthcoming about the Aussie one. It's like, okay, people might not expect, like she told everyone about Ozzy. You might think, okay, she would save if she was the one that gave with Tarizzo.

So I thought it was smart. Yeah, I just thought ultimately I thought there were maybe more creative ways to do this. And I mean, right, like, I think each tribal kind of felt fairly straightforward. And there's three back to back to back. And it's like, obviously there's going to be some sort of culling going on in a 24 person season. but none of these tribals were very interesting to me and so I wasn't like inherently against what like this format but it just didn't feel like they

right Jeff talks about he gives his whole soliloquy like Zieg said and he's like making it up like it's going to be this epic never before it's seen thing before it's like it's kind of felt run of the mill no well I mean have you ever pulled out three people no but I think they could have done it in a way that's more creative like I saw someone propose you do it like a regular merge and the top three vote getters all in one vote. I didn't get when he was explaining it that people were going to go into three different

sections. It's only after the challenge when he sent people off to different islands. I was like, oh, I was like, I agree with you. I think if we all had to sit there and then vote three people out. Like, you know, how dramatic would that be? It's like, okay, we have tribal. we go and vote someone goes home idols are played whatever happens it's like

now we're going to do it again you know that seems like to me would be really epic yeah they could have done I think maybe they're all on the same beach in one person the top vote geter from each group goes home so it's like hey do I do I pull my phone to my group or do I

put my vote to someone from another group to like tilt the scales they could have done like Zeke said where they all go as one group and they vote back to back to back or they could have done all one group and the top three vote getters across the board go home. So maybe you're in a dominant position and you catch one vote and you're the third most

vote for a person and you go home. I think that would have added a lot. That's interesting too of like everybody when you go to vote, everybody casts three votes and they have to be for three different people. That could be interesting. I think the best mechanism, Zeke, would have been your way. They all go and vote. Then Jeff's like, but.

wait, you're voting again. Then they're all scrambling right there. Yeah. Then he's like, one more time. One more time. That would be a true blood bad. And that would be the like, yeah.

And that would light the game on fire and be something that like, even these great players have never had to deal with that sort of situation. And ultimately what we got was just like, okay, I'm in a group of five. I'm with my homies and we're going to vote out the person in the minority. Yeah. Sorry, just to go back to that one tribal council win, because, you know, someone is going to be unhappy after every vote. And usually what happens is you go back to camp and you grab that person right away and you're like, I'm so sorry I left you out of this vote. We're still tight.

You're going to be in the next vote. It's like you got to understand it. You can like make it better and then the person goes to sleep. You wake up in the morning like rooms are healed or they're not. But if you have to leave someone out of a vote and then immediately vote again, vote again. But again. I don't think that person is going to be as amenable to the, I'm so sorry I had to leave you out of this vote,

like song and dance that you usually can do. Yeah. I don't know. Sorry. Now I'm just imagining that. I'm like, oh, God, it did.

Right. It could have been fun. I mean, that's a red moon. I think the only drawback of that. No, I like that idea. I think the only drawback is maybe there's like an obvious three that just get picked off and they don't have the chance to like recover because you get

hit with this like impromptu second and third vote and you're like okay well i can't create an elaborate plan like let me just target whatever three are on the outs i don't know if those are there is a three that's on the outs so i would have liked to see how it shakes out but i mean i don't know people are kind of getting screwed over either way but yeah that's the game that's right they can keep off a whole alliance in that like a whole minority alliance could just be picked off yeah but now well but it's the merge right and so like I think we have, and we have 17 people. So does anybody exactly know where all of the,

the lines are drawn, right? Because you can look at Aubrey as someone who feels like she's on the outs from her, you know, tribe perspective. But, you know, she's close with like a bunch of people she just merged with. Yeah. And she has like, an idol no one knows about, right? So I think there's potential there.

Anyway, maybe we should talk about the episode that did happen instead of the one that we wanted to do. I think Saris said something very interesting where she's like, the old schoolers are like, I'm locked in with who I'm locked in with, and that's how I'm going to vote. And she's like, the new

era seems to be like, hey, we could fight today, vote together now, fight again, vote and then switch to vote. And she's like, that's where I feel like the old school is going to have a harder time. And I think

normally in the new era, if you are playing an old school type of way, right, you will be in trouble. But something about her saying that, I was like, I actually think the old school model of like, again, it's so many people, if they actually stick together and vote like,

I actually feel like the old school way of doing things might prevail this season, and especially with the people that we had. Yeah, you know, so Surrey, when we were in Game Changers, she really got to see in the merge, sort of this new school way of like, we vote together and then we yell at each other, we vote against each other,

and then we vote together. So she has a bit of it, I think, an advantage over other old school players and that she's had to play this speed of Survivor before. But what's so interesting to me is every time they show Ceri, they'll show everybody else running around the jungle talking to each other. Then they'll just seem serene. She found a nice little like log

to sit on with her legs crossed and her hands on her knee, just looking like, you know, regal and gorgeous being like, all these kids running around. All these kids running around. You know, and so I think she has the like mental flexibility to play the new game. But I think what's so impressive is that

from the outward appearance she's playing in old school. Right. You know? And I think that works though, right? I think it's the best of both worlds. Yes. It gives the illusion that you, you know, you're an old school player. But when Sarah got them lashes on, you know, she's thinking like the young schools.

So it is so works. That's such an interesting take, Zee. And I think, no, you make a good point because I think now going into this merge after this blood moon, there are sort of an obvious two kind of factions with those old schoolers who are cut from the same cloth and then you got like the new schoolers and you know

I don't see a lot of overlap necessarily in collaboration between like the coach Jonathan Joe Chrissy Stephanie group and then you have like

the D Tiffany Rizzo type of group and I think it is like the series of the world who can navigate both who can really maybe thrive here because I think there are going to be those kind of two coalitions

that may be butt heads and the people that can kind of fit both, I think, are going to do well, like a serri, maybe like a Christian. Yeah, that would be interesting. What cloth do you... I think I'm cut from the same cloth, too, Bryce. Because I was curious.

What cloth is it that they're... Is it polyester? I think it's the cloth that Jonathan's wearing that literally has, like, a rip. Oh, yeah, his little, like... And if you want to be part of the alliance, you've got to cut a piece of Jonathan's shirt off and eat it to, like, be a part of the team.

I'm not getting, Zique. I got in trouble for lusting over Jonathan some seasons ago. But I felt like... My question of Jonathan, because I didn't watch his original season, is what is the deal with his fashion set? Right? We've seen like we have a lot of, like, patchy, patchy. He's going to have a lot of drapey.

We've got white boy dreads. Like what, what? But apparently he's sort of like conservative leaning politically. I just, I don't know where to. Let me tell you, having to watch his original season is only going to make things more convoluted. I'm going to get any clarity on what was going on. I don't know, Zeeke. I feel like you go to your grandpa house.

You go in an attic. follow the mothball smell you take some clothes from there you put it in the trash can you shake it up you take it out we're not going to do this right now no but listen i'll listen

Jonathan makes Jonathan designs his shirts with the big collars and he does some things he has a unique style Jonathan has a unique style yes all I'm going to say is I like just like Genevieve has a unique set of teeth yeah

yes they're nice you know maybe maybe we should have gotten maybe we should decide down the teeth when we were picking them out at the dentist office who should say Genevieve

are we we're talking about Genevieve we're talking about Genevieve we have to get to get a dentist who can do good years. It's hard to find the right shade so that they don't look too white. Try to find the right size. It's a very,

you know, it's an art. And not everyone finds an artist. I think you're talking about somebody else, not Genevieve. Are we talking about Genevieve? No, I'm talking about Genevieve. We need Mike White out there because he's the teeth specialist. He'll ask the tough questions. But listen, y'all,

base the shot at this nipples. What did Mike White do with teeth? Say that again. Mike White went up to D and was like, some chompers. and she was like pegs and he was like, did you buy them?

I was like, oh my God. Well, in LA, like everybody gets veneers. So it's not like, it's like, oh,

you buy yourself a new set of tea. Good for you. Because I was like, oh my God, who's such that? But okay, see,

Zika's giving me perspective. But, okay, back to Jonathan's nipple, okay? I got distracted for 2.3 seconds. That's all I was saying. I said,

I didn't, I didn't know they made that type of cut a shirt. It got ripped It got ripped But why would it be ripped At that perpendicular angle That like

That's what Boston Rob He had to do Yes In the pre boss Rob was coaching Jonathan up He's like Show a little bit of nipple And you're going to win Chrissy over

I'm just saying Jonathan might have a market For mothers that are breastfeeding That's the on the goal type of shirt Yeah you can sort of swaddle The baby in the rip Maybe. Yeah.

Now, okay. Be nice to Jonathan. Listen, right. He's being too nice. I think, I think Jonathan's doing a great game. He's playing great.

Can we talk about Kobe for a second? Because we know the first episode, Kyle getting injured. It had to do with him helping Kobe up the wall. We didn't really get to see that. And we didn't get to see Kobe injure himself. But throughout the episode, progressively, we see Kobe's limp, limp, right? Like, at first it just starts off like a, I'm a player from the Himalaya.

I'm like, okay. I like that. I'm like, is Kobe bow-legged? And then progressively, it, like, it raises concern. And do you guys think that? that if it wasn't Colby, do you think at any point in time, like he could or would have been medically evacuated?

I think that's a very interesting question. I mean, I think clearly everyone knew he was going home tonight, which is why we got this, like, wonderful tribute to Colby and his time on Survivor. Which I really liked, especially because, right, we have Colby the first time, who is like, it's this new thing,

but he becomes a star. the next two times he plays he's a little bit of a diva and is like I'm doing this because I want to become famous and I guess after Heroes vs. Villains he did that that gun reality show where he did a Jeff Probst impersonation you don't know about Top Shot? No! After Heroes vs. villains, Colby hosted two or three seasons

of a show on the history channel about shooting, like shooting guns and like who could be the top shot. But the funny thing was, like, to do all the challenges and all of the, like, the talking to each other, he just, like, imitated Jeff and, like, said all of Jeff's things. Wow. Anyway, but so it's, it's very interesting to see, A, you know, an older, wiser Colby, you know, we can even say a bit of a gentler Colby come.

And to see him sort of be like, you know, this thing has dominated half my life. It's given me fame. It's given me heartache. It's given me all of this stuff. and I came back this time really for me, because I wanted to just do it one more time for me. And I think that so speaks to why people do it now. As people go out there,

I mean, like, maybe some people have a hope it will translate into something else, you know, traders or whatever, but that's pretty slim chances. So most people go out there for themselves, for whatever reason, to test themselves because they, you know, want to do it or whatever.

And it was very nice to see kind of Colby. He rode Survivor through all of it, era, it's, it's eras and sort of got a very, uh, you know, nice sendoff. Yeah. I was talking to Bryce, um, about that, like how I, I look at some of the younger players and I see their edits or like lack thereof. And clearly, um, women have been underedited this season for sure. And that's, that's a problem.

Uh, what I will say regarding the older players is, I think we're going to see a lot of these like, you know, uh, respectful sendoffs. And giving them their flowers from a production standpoint, maybe because they would think that the younger players have time to tell their stories. They can come back again or whatever. Whereas these players, like, they were part of this original survivor. And we thank you. This is a, you know, a season honoring all the errors.

So we're going to send you all off gracefully this last time. Right. It's like when it's a senior's last basketball game, you know, they bring them out before the end of the game so that they can get their applause. Yeah. Although, yeah, I really enjoyed Colby this season. But he comes back, he doesn't cast a single vote this season. It's his first tribal.

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Yeah, when they did the thing. Yeah, when he played, I think he did the stacking thing against Savannah. Got you. I don't know. That harks back to, they did all like that vote losing episode one, I guess. They didn't really do any more of it. but it's still frustrating to see, you know, like, literally like in real, in time for, like,

in viewing time, like a month and a half later, it's like, oh, can't still can't vote. Doesn't get to vote on this season after 15 years. That's crazy. But he would have had the chance to vote. It was just after the one tribal. Yeah, he lost it for his first vote. Okay.

There should be like an expiration. Yeah. Because then you get moved to a five. five-person tribe and you don't have a vote. It's like, that sucks. Can I if you, oh,

I was, I was going to ask about this particular tribal and if we think that the right decision was made. When DG, don't get me started because I, I love to chime in on that because I felt like, what are y'all doing here? I felt like, and again,

I love my queen mother, Cerey. And so, Zeke, a lot in the previous seasons on our podcast, we call our family the posse. The posse tends to get on Wendell a lot because Wendell's, sometimes he don't give the truth. And so, you know, he's always making excuses for his friends. And this season, we're telling it how we really feel.

And I love Ceree. Seria's my mother. I just was with Ceree, we was cracking up. So Cerea's queen to me. Let's keep it real, Bryce. How did, Were you all cool this week? We absolutely.

I mean, Sarita cussed me out for 2.3 seconds. Okay. All right. But that's my mother. I have been on the receiving end of a serenity cussing out myself. And it is,

it is, it is serious shit. Yes. She cussed me clean out. Zik, with I, she did you get that? I got the finger in my face.

Oh. I got a little head butt. Okay. Cause. Game changer. every night that Saria and I together, which were most nights, whether or not I wanted it or not,

I snuggled her in the sand because she was called, she was like, Zeeke, he just radiate heat, so you have to snuggle me every night. You're my husband. So every night I would snuggle her. And then one night, we didn't agree at tribal council. And we came back and she yelled at me

and she shook her finger in my face. And she's like, all right, let's go to bed. And I was like, no, I'm not giving you my warmth tonight. Oh, my God. I'm sleeping over here. And then, of course, the next night, I was, you know, you were back. Well, olded in the snuggles. Yeah, it was Zeke, we, was at the Ron Clark Academy.

And everybody, she had just arrived and I didn't know. And there was like a line for me. And so, right. And so I was like, okay. And there was no line for Wendell. And so I was like, okay, I'll just go hang with Wendell until. You can see Wendell every week, you know, Surrey is a commodity. She is.

And so it was a long line. So I was like, I'll see her after, like, it dies down. next time I saw her, she said, if you ever in your life, don't get in line to come see me. She went, and I'm a bop you.

I said, okay, never get queer, but I felt like Ceree. Wait, no, wait, Bryce. Then you came up to me. And you were like, I just got cussed out by Ceree. And I'm like, she told me I was taller. I think Ceree,

I think Ceree, I think, I think Sarie was hitting on me, Bryce. Classic window. Okay, Jack. Okay, Jack. Wendy Zee, not today. Okay, fine. All right, fine.

Not today. Zeke, I don't know if you know the lore of Wendell, but not today, Wendell. Okay. I've heard tales. Oh, geez. Okay. All right. This is why Zeech, Wendell.

This is why Zeech. Zika's my Ziki poo. Okay. Clock it, Zique. But so they are potentially pitching coach. And I'm, I agree with it. Like, I'm with it. And they talk to Saria,

and there's Sarin never lie. Saris said, if you have the opportunity to suck the head of a snake, you suck the head of the snake, you don't let it go. And so. I don't think you suck the head of the snake if we're talking about Survivor. We're talking about Wendell. Maybe that's when Ceree would be sucking the head of the snake.

Oh, no. What? Zinc. But he was talking about cutting the head of the snake in this contact. Leave Surrey out of this. Zincke, you was trying get us in trouble.

No, no. Bryce just has, Bryce doesn't talk about cutting off the head of a snake. He uses his own analogy. Well, I'm sorry. I would just thought you were, you know, mixing your metaphors here.

He wants, but he knows what he's. do it. He thinks about the snake and it's spires. I mean, look, I like sucking snake too, right? But I think like here, we're talking about cutting snakes and not sucking snakes. Yeah. It's an important distinction.

This is blown off the ramps. So here, here's my thoughts on this is that, first of all, I think the powers to be, they don't want to let Coach go this early, especially before we get a coach fashion show on the jury.

I think Colby is hurt. I think there's not, a whole lot left we have from Colby. Sure, it was like, yes, it makes sense to keep the injured old guy around as long as you can because he's not going to win individual immunity, right? I think we're probably at a position where it was sort of like, all right, gang,

either Colby's going to get medevac or you vote him out. Let's just make this easy and vote him out. I think that's sort of like, you know, the, what I would imagine that sort of like unspoken compromise was on that beach. Bryce, was your, was your, because you were sort of starting to hint at it about this decision, were you, from Surrey and I guess D and Emily's perspective, were you more thinking they should have voted for coach? Or were you thinking that Surrey should have stuck with the old schools and voted for Emily? No, I think they should have stuck with coach. I feel like, and there, because Sharia is saying Kobe is the lead, he's the head of the snake.

And so I'm like, no. No. No. Keep the head of the snake. Get rid of coach because that's another number. We know that coach is in with the cloth. And so like... But Colby, like, is the cloth. Like, he's the cloth that it all came off of. You see Jonathan's nipple. It's only two more shreds left on that cloth. It's going to rip. He's like, I just felt like it's a two for one deal. Get rid of coach. And if Kobe can't compete, he will be a medevac.

That's another number. Or it's like he won't be. He's a he's a dangly mangly. Like he will always be here. I mean, I did sort of love the savagery from Emily of being like he's going to get MetaVac anyways. But what I will say, because I totally hear you. And I think there's a whirl where that totally makes sense.

My thinking is, Coach, or sorry, Colby had a moment, I think even at tribal where he said to D, he's like, I'm in good with those guys. I can put in a word for you. I do think Colby has an aura with the cloth that coach does not necessarily have. Even you look at Coach has some beef with Ozzie. Coach is just more of a wild card within that. Sure. I think there's also a question of would you rather Colby on the jury or not?

Right? Like if Colby is on the jury, are you going to be playing the type of game that he's going to vote for? Okay. Um, right? So if you, you know what I'm saying? Is that a coach though? Like,

coaches are going to vote for, um, I think coach is more likely to vote for a gamer than Colby. Um, because if you vote out coach and Colby gets med back, Colby gets medivac to the jury because he had, right, he doesn't need to like go to a hospital or anything.

Right. He needs a toe split. Um, and is Colby going to be the guy on the jury who respects what you're doing? Or is Colby going to be looking to vote more for an old school player? See, this is why you are a strategist, Zeke, because the way my survivor brain works, like I don't even know if I would,

because you know I didn't ever make the merge, so I don't, I would have never even thought of that. Like I, like, because I get so wrapped up sometimes, it's a numbers game, right? And so like I get wrapped up with like, it's a two for one.

But again, I never even, that wouldn't, I don't believe that would have crossed my mind. But I mean, I hear that. But also, it's sort of the same. same, like, I don't think, I mean, I do agree coach probably slightly more likely to respect some gameplay, but from when we've seen, is he going to look at any of these women, other than maybe like a Surrey, who's just an icon, but is he going to look at like a, uh, D or an Emily

and be like, you're the warrior, like, you're the, like, we know coach might have a, he, he tends to like the, the fellas, and kind of, he's Jack. I think the decision was this. I think they look at a coach and a Colby. And we've seen a lot of coach. I think they look at a Colby as someone who can talk with this. What are we calling that alliance? The Cloth Alliance?

The cloth. The cloth. I think they look at a Colby as someone who can like really connect with the cloth. And as a coach as someone who's within the cloth, but he's, I think I think Colb they look at Colby as someone that can really maneuver things

and they're really chopping off the head of a snake whereas I look at a coach as like we can get him at whatever point I mean coach literally has some other fabrics in the mix within the clock right so I agree it's funny though because even though we all see it where it's like this

clearly is we are eulogizing Kobe this episode right like it's an open casket like You know, he, he there. But for me, I think one of the sparks in me, again, why I've enjoyed watching Kobe is that like when they're at tribal council and Jeff is essentially saying like, anybody wants to speak over the body.

And Saria's like, he's a good man, but you know, it's not over until the big lady sings. And for that split second, you see Kobe and Kobe's like, Wait a minute. Am I still in here? Like, and it was like, for me, I felt like Kobe didn't want to go, right? Like, and I felt like it was almost like laying out to pasture. But for that split second, Kobe was like, wait a minute. Yeah, he's a competitor.

He never wants to go, even if it's, you know, faded. He was still in there. Wouldn't. Do we love the Applebee's reward? And was it always Applebee's or did they used to be Chili's? it's been an Outback Steakhouse before. It's been Outback. I laughed so hard that my husband

came into my office to see what I was laughing about. And I was like, in the most epic season, we have the most epic reward, the biggest reward of the season. That in this game-changing blood mood, and the reward is Applebee's. Yes. It also is.

Literally two weeks ago with Zach Brown, he's like, this is the best reward of all time. And then two weeks later, he's like, that this is the best reward of all time. Forget Zach Brown. We've got Applebee's. They had me at the art of choke spinach dip down. They didn't sell it, the chicken, bacon, ranch.

They had me at those like big blue margaritas. Yeah, that's all I wanted to do on rewards was. I think like Jonathan was chugging his. He had, too. Like, I was confused. as to, he also had two cheeseburgers and steak over like sauteed mushrooms. I was like, what, who, what's happening here? Yeah.

Can I, can I ask this? Because I wanted to talk about this tribe and we're here at this reward with the shark bowls. And I think if I, you know, if I were ever on the show, I think I'd enjoy a little drink at a reward. But a drink at the reward, the day that you have tribal, is that a little bit risky? Like if you show up to reward and there's alcohol and you have tribal in five hours, are you drinking? Well, Tini A here. So listen, if Tini, if this was teeny season, I would be concerned for my boy Tini. Well, my season, because I played, I played a real season, right?

I played 39 days. And so you would never have a reward and a tribal on the same day. So you can get good and drunk and, you know, just go sleep it off. Do you think, Zeeke, if you were in this situation where you had the reward day of and you was alcohol and you had to go to tribal and you weren't safe. Here's the thing. I think it all depends on people's constitutions.

I think I could say like, no, I wouldn't, you know, I would have a sip but no more. That's a fucking lie. I would eat and drink as much as I needed to. That's just who I am. That's just, I know who I was in those situations

and there was never any sort of like limit. It was always sort of like, let's go whole hog. And then, you know, whatever happens, happens. Like, you know, sometimes Brett LaBelle comes out to you and you're like, fuck, I've had like two bottles of wine. All right. Get it together, man.

Just a big moment. I mean, that would maybe be an interesting situation. Everyone can sort of agree, hey, we're all going to enjoy these drinks and maybe we have like a drunk. Well, there would always be fuddy dutties who like didn't want to drink or weren't big drinkers.

So you had to go find, that's why me and I got along is you had to go find someone who actually wanted to drink with you. it's funny that you say that, right? Because when I'm with Tiffany, if I got a scramble, let me do it with a buzz, okay?

Because I'm going to scramble. But it's interesting when we think about it, right, we did see Jonathan with those two blue fish bones. I'm assuming that it was Chrissies. Because when, like you look at the photo or when you see it,

I feel like Chrissy took a little sip of hers and was like, here you go, Jonathan. And I almost wonder, was that strategically done to like, you know, cloth for cloth, bloof,

loosen him up. Yeah. We're cut from the same shark mold, Jonathan. Chrissy used that line a couple times, too.

There was kind of a wink and a nod to it, I feel like, I think they had maybe developed some things pre-game. Ah, okay, okay, yeah, that's right.

I love, I love, my girl Christy. I do. I do. I love Chrissy. I'm just a Survivor fan watching. But the cut from the same cloth

and then when she talks about talking to Tiffany and Camilla and saying that she's saying the same thing and she begins to cry with them, I don't know. It gave me a bitch of a pause. Oh, really? I mean, I just pause about some of the things going on, but I thought her conversation with Tiffany and Camilla

would just try to, like, lull them into false sense of security. Yes, but again, with the tears, for me, I'll just be being ruthless. Yeah. I don't know. You know, Survivor's tough. Or maybe she did. Maybe Jonathan did get two margaritas,

and she drank all her margaritas. maybe she's like a sad drunk that's why she was crying. Maybe what did you so, we get this big, I guess this is like Jonathan's dilemma here which way he wants to go.

And we, I think we even see it like the next week on. There's going to be some backlash. Jack, let me interrupt. Can we stay on Chrissy for one more moment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do want to say

there's something to the strategy when you're all like humdrum and you're acting like you're going home. Yes. I think there's some good strategy. I feel like someone did it in Winners at War even to us. I think there's something. Awesome, yeah.

Yes. I do think that sometimes that's good strategy. And I thought it was smooth how she did that in her interview and switched it like, but there might be a way. So I do want to say that this is an and thing where it's like, all right, those cut from the same cloth comments sounded a little fun. And you also, I think, did the whole walking around all sad pretty well thing. I agree.

I do all shoot her some, you know, I do. Yeah, no. Absolutely. And even when in previous episodes, when we see coach talking to Chrissy about you doing a lot of this and you need to be doing a lot of this, right? And we see almost a defeated Chrissy. What I will say is when we do see her with Jonathan. and end with Stephanie. Oh, baby, Chrissy's locked it, right?

And so it's like, Chrissy's not out here playing around, right? Like, Chrissy's out here to win. And so I'll give Ms. Mama's hot tens, right? She's clocked in. And so I love to see it from a survivor standpoint of like, she's not going down without a fight. And so I got my eyes on Chris. Because I will say the confessional she had after she, you know,

played Possum a little bit to Tiffany and Camilla, and then she's in confessioner like turns it around and it's like you know we're flipping this thing around I thought it was kind of ruthless and fun gameplay again a separate instance from the whole cloth situation but I thought this moment I wasn't mad at it

but this does ultimately kind of fall into Jonathan's hands and again we see kind of in the next week on it looks like he's going to get some backlash he even says himself he's kind of being torn here much like his shirt between the new era and the old schoolers I thought this was not really the right decision for Jonathan. Is that a hot take?

I think it was a I think absolutely it was a right decision for the cloth, right? I think like this, it works in Jonathan's favors and numbers. My real question is, and I haven't had time to get into Camillas. And I just also want to make sure I say her name right, right, Camilla, because that was also some funny things of people not even knowing. Mess it up.

Someone didn't know how to say her name. but my question is after the move that they just pulled last week with Jonathan and Charlie D and Camilla, I am curious to know how much faith did Camilla really have in Jonathan? We saw after Camilla left, Camilla was like, bro, and we know that type of bro is like WTF, what the is going on? You gave me your, you said honor and tagging you said we locked it. So, like, I definitely got that Camilla. Like, Camilla was shocked. But as a viewer, I'm like, would I have had that much trust?

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Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. You know, I, this reminds me a lot of, I'm not going to say that, I'm not going to allude to another season. Anyway, you know, I think what sticks is like, you know, we got Stephanie, we got Chrissy and then who are like, and then we have Jonathan who is also sort of like older and calmer and a little intimidated by these like,

talking, you know, quick young people. So to me, it, like, makes a lot of sense that he is going to say, I'm going to sit with the old folks. Because the more we can get these young, quick talking people out of here, the better chance I have to make it deep in the game. And I think we will see a lot more of those types of people align. Like the, not so much the honor integrity, but it's like the people who want to slow down the game

versus the people who want to play the game really fast. And I think also what I would say about the Camilla and Jonathan relationship is, you know, sometimes you can take your alliance members for granted and just be like, well, you know, Jonathan, he's not going to go try to mix anything up, right? He's just going to make the fire or we can just count on Jonathan or, you know, and people feel like they are not. It's like Camilla and Tiff, like they're the two and I'm the third, right? I feel like I'm now. No one's making me feel special. Well, forget these two. I want to go vote with them, you know.

I think so much of making sure you, if you think you have a three in a five-person tribe, you know, you really got to make sure all three feel special and unique and loved and, you know, deified. Yeah. And the one tribal Jonathan's been to with Camilla, she blindsides him and takes out truly.

So, you know, Jonathan, you know, whatever you want to make of the colossus situation, he should feel right at home with with that crew. And his prospects are probably better with that group. Was the comparison you were going to draw to, was it to your season, Zeeke with Adam and Figgie and Taylor? Yeah.

So I got blindsided on the millennials tribe, the one vote that we went together. And then it was clearly the one on the bottom. Would have been the next one to go. She had we had to go again. And then we all get together for the merge. And all the millennials just assume, like, well, all the millennials are sticking.

and together, but sort of no sense that like, oh, well, maybe Zeke has made friends with the adults. Yeah. And that, you know, people that you vote against, I mean, you really got to work hard to make sure they're good again because they're going to be very excited to vote against you. Who were you not to get too into, I love millennials, Gen X. And that swap after that, like, who did you swap with? Who were those jet-X relationships you had going into the marriage? Chris and David. Yeah.

Chris, my, like, fellow Oklahoma guy and then Dave, my fellow, like, you know, nerdy writer guy. Yeah. And we had a great little thing going. Did you see Chris's news today on his birthday? No. Biggest verdict in Oklahoma history. He just got a 120 plus million verdict. Yeah.

I just want to... Right on. Yes. I love that dude. He's a... Yeah. So... He's a good man.

He's a good man. It's interesting when we talk about like Surrey earlier when I said she had brought up this thing about like the old schoolers are going to have a problem because the new era, fight, vote, fight, fight, fight, fight, vote. And I think it's interesting hearing Zeke, Jack and Wendell, you talk. If we look at each tribal council, right, I feel. like the dilemma is posed in

everyone, Jonathan, right, with the Jonathan and Camilla where Camilla is actively acting like a new player where it's like you just blindsided me and now I'm coming back and I'm saying to you, all right, we're good, let's work now and it doesn't work in her favor.

Then with the Kobe is kind of like it's the older way of thinking kind of where it's like, all right, we're going to get Kobe out. We're not going to go after. coach. And then I feel like the newer school vote out we have is somewhat of like the Genevieve one or maybe even not the Gen. Well, see, I would I would push back on that. And I would say the thing

that, right, the thing that connects new school and old school and good decisions and bad decisions, right? It was said in the episode we say in a million times, it's all about relationships, right? The Devons Aubrey Christian vote, they're friends, they've been friends, they like each other, they understand how each other thinks. It is a very, regardless of whether or not they play together or on the same side, in this situation where it's five people and you need three, it makes a hundred million percent for them to stick together and go for Genevieve,

who they don't really have any connection to, right? Yes. But we see Genevieve trying to tip Christian, you know, like she ain't been really working with Christian, but we see her new era trying to work with Joe, work with Christian. So it's like, we see. Well, she's trying to work with them,

or she's trying to build a relationship with them? Well, she tried to build a relationship. You know what I'm saying? She's trying to work with them. She's trying to build something with them. Right. I think that's where the new school,

especially the young new schoolers can really fault, is that they are just trying to put a vote together, but particularly in a precarious situation, like maybe we'll vote together and not vote together and whatever, But I think for the most part, you want to feel like you're building something with a solid foundation. If the foundation crumbles, so be it. But you more want to find, like, well, this person is actually going to try to stick with me for more than one vote and not just use me for this vote. Yeah.

Do you guys think that, you know, if you're Christian and Devons and Aubrey and you're seeing maybe, I don't know if you've, they're kind of already noticing this cloth coalition coming together. is Genevieve a potential better long-term asset because she's maybe a little more willing to play ball with the new schoolers than a Joe? Do you look at Joe as a number to the other group? Or is that maybe, is Aubrey's issues with Genevieve just sort of too much tonal? I think the problem is like there

has been feud between Genevieve and Aubrey and Genevieve will always, her first indication will always be to vote for Aubrey. And you know, maybe it's vice versa. but it did seem like it was a feud that had to resolve itself. Like it's not something they're going to reconcile. I wanted to throw that out there, but I kind of agree. And when that's been like a big factor,

you kind of need to just remove that. I guess my other question regarding this tribe is for Genevieve, you know, I've seen a lot of people saying she was robbed or she was kind of like worst luck ever. Do you guys feel like this was just a really unlucky draw for Genevieve? Or were there like also some mistakes that she made? along the way here that kind of sealed her fate. I feel like it was an unlucky draw,

but I also feel like something that's not talked about a survivor is Survivor's a game of luck. We don't, you know, it is a game of luck, not just strategic and social skills, it's a game of luck. I do also feel like Genevieve in the beginning. It was very settled on like me and Aubrey ain't working together and we've talked about this Jack where it's like Genevieve has said multiple

times. Aubrey. Aubrey. It's Aubrey. It's Aubrey. And I kept saying, well, okay, girl, well, after, if you do get Aubrey out, what's next, right? And I feel like this is a case where it's like, maybe you kind of, the way you were making your connections through the Aubrey train of like, she got an idol, can't trust her. And where it's like, maybe

even if I don't want to work with her, maybe she should have, I feel like treated it like how she treated Rizzo. I can give you the idol. Like work with Aubrey. See if you can try to make a relationship, even if you don't want to work with her. I feel like that could have potentially paid off a little more. Yeah, you never want to close doors.

And I feel like Genevieve, like, really came out the gate and shut that door tight. Well, I mean, so. It's close. But do you think, now, look, I have commentary on, I have thoughts about Genevieve's game. And I was preparing myself on how to deliver those things to Teeny, because I know he and Genevieve are close up.

I was like, how do I do that? But I will say the whole Aubrey situation did seem to originally stem from Aubrey, right? Like we saw, now, it was probably sort of a mutual thing, but it seemed like Aubrey pretty immediately, episode one, was not viving with Genevieve. I disagree a little bit. I feel like Aubrey came in with baggage from her past three seasons, and Aubrey just sent he was like, listen, I've seen your season. I see how you play.

Genevieve came in like, hey, I want to work with you. I thought like Aubrey was like, how are you playing this game? And I feel like, yeah, it's a little strong as direct, but I feel like Genevieve could have maneuvered. Genevieve could have been like, I want to play with you. I want to like so. No, I was torn because I did think a lot of that like we, and this is obviously a lot of the edit, but we just saw a lot of Genevieve gunning for Aubrey.

So obviously you end up on a tribe like this, you're going to be in trouble. But I also did see some Genevieve press today where she did make an interesting point of like, you know you're sort of natural, like against this person. It's not necessarily bad to advertise that because for everybody else, they know, hey, Genevieve's not coming for me. And now I do think from what we saw Genevieve harping on, it's Aubrey, it's Aubrey, it's Aubrey, it's Aubrey, like it gets a little old that could just be the edit and it wasn't the most. But it also becomes sort of a clean vote, too, in this situation where you have a bunch of people voting together for the first time or mixing it up together with, like, it's very sort of like with, like, it was maybe better to vote out Colby than coach is, well, it's clean.

And we're just going into the merge with this huge amount of people. And we don't have a lot of explaining to do. We don't have a lot of like, well, new alliances are being formed. What do we have to be worried about? It's like, we don't have to be worried about anything. Colby was hurt. He was going to go home regardless. So we just sent him home with like a nice send-off, right?

Genevieve couldn't get Aubrey out of her mouth. There was nothing that we can do that that wouldn't work for all of us. It made just sense to get rid of Genevieve. I agree. I thought she was a little too aggressive in that pursuit of Aubrey. I guess I'm just thinking about something we'll never know of, was that sort of the gameplay that just really traps her and screws her over in this swap? or is that the type of gameplay where

say she makes it through this, she has a better draw with the swap, is she kind of S-O-L soon thereafter anyways? I'd probably lean towards the latter and say that. You know, that's a good question. I think a lot of it depends on, it seems like,

I don't think it made the episode, but there was a secret scene of Aubrey and Coach kind of like saying, we're going to, you know. It was in the episode. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it was, okay. Like last year.

Right, yes, of course. And so I, I feel like we don't know because Aubrey had didn't have a lot of allies and had a rough like pre-merge sometimes that person the free radical can really build something strong

going deep into deep into the merge and something that's not as identifiable whereas Genevieve it seems like was playing quite out front from the jump and which is total opposite kind of sort of of Genevie

from the last time that she played I almost felt like last time she played, she played from the Aubrey position of being, like, left out, not really knowing anything. And I've seen something like Genevieve hate online about, oh, wow, she's coming too hard with Aubrey and all this stuff. But I will say this. I thought it was such a classy move of Genevieve to give Aubrey her coat at the end to essentially say like, yeah, we might have been at odds. Yeah, I love it.

Right. But I'm a girl's girl and bitch, I got you, right? Stay warm. And so, and I love that, right? because it's like, we might be out of the game, but listen, at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in the like, you know, you know, it's a passionate game,

but at the end of it, it's a game, shake hands, you got me good on you. And I always, I always left my coat behind. And whoever got it, made it to the end. Oh, oh, like that. You got an extra coat, Z?

Well, everybody has extra coats. It's so crazy how many clothes everyone has. It makes sense. It was cold. I remember being very cold out there. Are the coats like, are they going to be like fire tokens where if Aubrey now goes out, she has two coats to give to somebody? Oh. You know what will be clever is if you got voted out with an idol and the idol was in your coat and then you handed your coat off to someone and they're like,

idle and coat. But doesn't production step in? Because hasn't that in previous seasons where people have said that they've tried to do that and production was like, you can't. Yeah, they won't let it. Like, if it's in your code and you hand it off and they get back to camp,

they'll just take it from you. I think it depends on whatever they want to do. It's true. If you Trojan horse it via a coat, maybe there's like a narrative there. Right, like, I think if you tell the story of like, you know, I'm putting my eye on my coat. I don't know if to play it.

But if I do play it, great if I don't play it and they get me then so-and-so's getting it so. There was a moment when I did something similar where I put my idol kind of like in a closer pocket on my in my bag and I let

Dom know like if they get me just grab that. But I actually would have definitely taken that. Although I wonder if there's a line where say you got your jacket and you think it might be you, maybe you kind of neutrally just sort of place it in between you and that person and you're like

Hey, if I go, just take, you know, it's, it's, you sort of already started to transfer it over. Before your vote is. So, yeah, so it's right there. Yeah, like before the vote's great, it's like, hey, here's my jacket. You know, this is all you. Yeah, because it's technically until the final voter's read, you're still in the game. It can still be like, yeah. I think it's me.

Here's my idol. I mean, maybe it doesn't help that much because everybody knows about it. But, but still, you could even say like, Wendell, I'm going to play this for you. And I just put it in my hand. And you put your hand over top of my hand and we just hold hands to our tribal. I'm just saying. Exactly.

I love. Hold your hands. That's your own my hand. This thing in the idol was in between. We and Wendell were at tribal council and Wendell and Cere wanted to share it. They could put it in between as they cast. You, Zygai.

You're going to be fighting herself. Okay. You ain't going to, no, you're going to be fighting her husband. Okay, you don't want it with the Rehusband. I don't. I know. I don't know.

I also loved during the episode, though, when Genevieve is playing her shot in the dark and you see, it's like Aubrey got a gun and you see Aubrey like hand out. She's like, I'm burning.

I'm pretty. I'm pulling out. I want to. So I love the little, the nuances of it. And so outside of Zach Brown, dud of somewhat of a layer of an episode season 50 and my opinion is back on track

and I am salivating at the thought of the fallout from next week and the little previews of the commercials that we have seen it looks like people want blood. Actual merge hopefully. And an actual merge. Yeah. Yeah, and I think everybody should get a merge feast.

Come on, Applebee's. No, I'm like, day 12, like, Jesus. This game is so short and so fast. Because, I mean, because, day 12, doing, now I'm not a math person that much, Zieg, but my calculations, if I added to my season, day 12, and the number of days that I lasted,

I would have made the merge. Yeah. I'm just saying, well, it has been a great episode. It's been a great season so far. I'm super excited to see what happens next week. If you will be in the San Francisco area, you could come watch it with the baby boys and see what unfolds. If you are like Jack and don't gamble.

Well, actually, you know, before we go, Zeke, can you answer this question for me? Yes, ma'am. Jack, what game do you like to play? Blackjack? Poker. And don't twist my words now. No, I'm not.

Okay. So just answer this question for me, Zee, because you are intelligent. You are handsome. You are smart. And I trust you. Gambling. Yeah. Is poker considered gambling?

Well, I think when you wager money on an unpredictable outcome, that's the definition of gambling. Oh. Okay. Is there a butt? Well, so I'm just to clarify the argument here. I think this all originated in I'm an avid poker player, but I wouldn't consider myself to be a gambler by nature. Because with poker, in the long run, if you're a strong player.

Right. It's like there are people who, you know, count cards in blackjack. So they limit the unpredictability of the outcome. But in and try to make it like a skill game. but still there's an unpredictable outcome because you might be playing with another card counter or the count might be off or I understand you feel like you're a good poker player

but still like fundamentally you're making guesses about the outcome and not other players poker is a form of gambling I agree with that but I think you're not like you're not like betting on sports games on your act like games of pure chance like poker I feel like I have an edge so I don't like in the long run I make I profit so I don't you would add like it is it

It is gambling, but I don't think of it. Well, the same way that, like, trading stocks is gambling, technically. But we don't call it that. Yeah. But I don't play poker for the gambling element. That's not why I play poker. So why you play poker? Because if you're strategic and good at it, you will make money in the long term.

It's the strategy of it. I don't like to gamble. All right, gang. I got a piss. Can we wrap this up? Thank you, Zic. Okay. Bryce got me rolling on something.

No, because I'm, listen, because I'm just saying, I don't, I'm not, I'm not a snake, either I just suck the heads. Oh, the snake. But anyway, but listen, if you don't gamble and you're in Las Vegas, Ozzie will be there next week. Tickets are available. Click the link at the Brice and Wend present, Instagram, or the link at this file. Zeke, it is always a pleasure to have you. Please don't be a stranger. I mean, you know, holler at me anytime. I hollered at you to come do this. And I'm a, I'm a holler back. Well, and then when is going to holler at Ceree? Okay, you know what? Okay, you know what?

See, go. All right, I got to go. Bye. Bye. We love y'all. We'll be back next week. Bye. It's the purple pants.

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