RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast: Survivor News 50 Ep 8 Recap | Duo Danger. Ft Sophie Segreti

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

Purple Pants Podcast: Survivor News 50 Ep 8 Recap | Duo Danger. Ft Sophie Segreti The baby boys Wendell, Jack, and Brice are back this week with special guest Survivor 49’s Sophie Segreti, breaking ...down Survivor Season 50 Episode 8. A game changing twist forces players into unexpected pairs, raising the stakes and putting multiple people at risk as strategy gets complicated fast. Tensions rise as castaways struggle to balance loyalty and survival, with plans shifting at the last minute and trust continuing to crack across the beach. From bold gameplay to a high pressure Tribal Council where everything feels up in the air, this episode keeps everyone on edge. Wendell, Jack, Brice, and Sophie dive into the key moves, who gained power, and how this vote could reshape the game, while naming this week’s Duo Danger and keeping an eye on the “Enemy Today, Ally Tomorrow” energy taking over the island. Tickets and updates for Brice and Wen 50 events: https://briceandwenpresent.flite.city/ You can also watch along on Brice Izyah’s YouTube channel to watch us break it all down https://youtube.com/channel/UCFlglGPPamVHaNAb0tL_s7g LISTEN: Subscribe to the Purple Pants podcast feed  WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks! Previously on the Purple Pants Podcast Feed: Purple Pants Podcast Archives

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Starting point is 00:02:54 we are giving you our all. The baby boys are back. Wendell Jack and myself, and we have the honor and privilege to be joined by Ms. Sophie S. from season 49. Breaking down all things, Survivor, season 50, episode 8,
Starting point is 00:03:12 we're getting into the double, double, double, double, double trouble. Okay? We're getting into the double elimination, the double tribal. We're getting into all of the, things. We're getting into the tribal council because we got to talk about that. We're getting
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Starting point is 00:04:12 Dot, dot, dot. Welcome to episode 8 of Survivor News. It is your baby boys in the building. But first and foremost, I must introduce the one and only from Survivor 49, Miss Sophie Sogretti, who, if I'm not mistaken, is fresh off the hills. of Sofchella. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:37 If my voice is a little scratchy, it's because I was maybe screaming at a lot of artists who were not Zach Brown this weekend. But I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. It's great to have you. I'd also like to introduce one half of Bryce and Wend, the smarter, more talented, brilliant half,
Starting point is 00:04:59 the one and only Bryce Isaiah's. the building. Wendy Z. So good to hear your voice. Always good to chat. And we got Sophie S with us. So I'm exciting. As in my,
Starting point is 00:05:13 as in my end. The one and only from the Circle Season 2, from the floor is lava, the alternate from Sophie's season Survivor 49. Did you see him at Ponderosa Sophie?
Starting point is 00:05:29 Maybe not. Maybe not. I've already got in trouble with CBS 1. Did they pull Jack from Ponderosa? Yeah, I was talking too much. How are we doing, Jack?
Starting point is 00:05:44 We're good. You know, I initially didn't think I was going to be able to make this one. But, boom, here we are. Cancell all my plans. Very excited. What a great episode to talk about. Yes. And we can't forget the one and only last time we seen him, Winners at war,
Starting point is 00:06:04 the first merge boot himself. Wendell Holland was popping with you. It's good to be here. Thank you, Bryce Isaiah. You know, I was on more seasons than Winners at War, but we'll just go with that. If that's what you say, well, listen, we got a great episode to get into.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Jack is cracking a whip this episode, but Wendell and I are back from Boston. And Bay Bay, Boston did not disappoint. Boston delivered. It was a star-studded night. Miss Aubrey was in the building. Jeremy Collins, Brett LaBelle, Charlie,
Starting point is 00:06:42 Jamal Shipman. We had some Squid Games, Val Collins. So much in the building. So much to talk about. Ethan, Evie Jagada. Oh, Ethan. Ethan was in the building. So much.
Starting point is 00:06:54 I was fan girl all night. And Ozzy in Miami had it popping. Over there in Miami. So much fun. And listen, we only got a couple more episodes left in the season 50. So if you want to join in on the fun, Wendell and I are still on the road to season 50, as well as Ozzy next week. Wendell and I will be in St. Louis, then Washington, D.C.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Ozzie is going to be in, he's going to be in San Francisco next week. And, Bebe, if you want to go, sorry. Because Bebebe is sold out. Okay. They add capacity. They is jumping over the moon. for Ozzy, like I am. Wait, which man is sold out?
Starting point is 00:07:37 San Francisco, April 22nd. We got a little, a little space left. They better hurry up. He'll be in Pittsburgh as well, and that's not all. We'll be in Austin May 2nd, Chicago, May 13th. Reality karaoke and the finale on May 20th in New York, reality We cook reality karaoke on the 19th. And if you're on Baltimore,
Starting point is 00:08:02 Gabe is hosting a Survivor finale event, May 20th. So listen, we got you covert like it's two pairs and we go home. A lot has happened this episode. And I'm going to just be on quiet. I'm a be quiet. Sophie, a lot of our listeners, the posse, they get on me and Jack because they say Wendell doesn't talk. Jack and I be passionate
Starting point is 00:08:29 So, you know, Wendy Z, what's you got for us? Oh, oh, it's crazy because Jack is usually our moderator, but Jack decided to show up. But Wendy Zee prepared a little bit. So Jack, what I'm going to do is I'm going to get us started and you can feel free to, you know, take. Do your thing, Wendell. Yes, let him go, Jack.
Starting point is 00:08:51 You played on Winters out. You played one season of Survivor Winters on War? Well, to give you a little bit more time, Wendy's, we have Sophie. Sophie, you are just fresh off the island of 49. What is it like watching not only another season, but a returning season, one that's allegedly in the hands of the fans, aka Jeff, what you think? What do you think of the season? First, I'll say that, like, going back to being a fan from playing is just so weird because you, I was like literally just, just, just, there this time last year I was in Fiji. So the part of me is like,
Starting point is 00:09:29 God damn and I wish I was on 50. So there's a little bit of that competitive. I'm sad they're living out my dream. But then because it is a returning season and I am a huge survivor fan, I feel like I am Rizzo at home, like openly fan-girling over all of these players. Like the surrey of it all,
Starting point is 00:09:48 I can't wait to meet her because she must have, like she must be one of the most magnetic and charismatic people in person, watching, like, hardened Survivor veterans who've played multiple times just fall under her spell. So that has been amazing. Survivor 50 is half. I'm, like, loving the drama,
Starting point is 00:10:09 loving all the baggage that people are bringing from past seasons. And then half, I am over some of these production shenanigans. Jeff and his cringy rapping. Like, the reason I like Survivor is, not the gimmick nonsense. Like, I don't need a Billy
Starting point is 00:10:28 Isish idol. I just need a cool idol. I don't need Zach Brown to cook me a meal. I just need a good meal. Like, Survivor has never been in it for, like, the fame and the fortune in the way that other reality TV is. Like, this isn't dancing with the stars.
Starting point is 00:10:44 This is Survivor. So, I would love a little bit more, like, strip back to just the game. And I feel like that's actually what we got this episode. Like the hair twist didn't have to do with any celebrity. There was no weird Jeffism. It just was like a legitimate thing we've never seen in Survivor before
Starting point is 00:11:04 and had the potential to really like fully flip this game. And it did. It would never lie. Yeah, it really did. I was scared that this, what we were calling what, the cloth alliance or whatever we want to call it? I was scared that they were just going to steamroll and people were just going to be okay with watching everyone get picked off. This was like, I don't want to call it the death blow, but this was a huge blow to this alliance. This could be the two main characters in the alliance.
Starting point is 00:11:42 In one fell swoop, they're out of here. Just like that, the cloth is cut in half, but it's still a claw. Oh, okay. Yes. But seeing as how I'm talking this episode and I will be moderating, shall we start at the beginning of the episode? We have some, we had devoted out last episode, and now we have some fallout, I guess, per se.
Starting point is 00:12:06 We have Jonathan being happy. And we have Tiff in her confessional. And she's really good at this. In her confessional, she's like, I'm so mad. Like, I'm pissed. I'm going to get my revenge. but then she's able to get it all out in the confessional and then get back to the beach and play some survivor.
Starting point is 00:12:25 And we've seen her get pissed and then in the confessional and keep her, keep her wits about her and stay under control. I think this is a sign of a really good survivor player. Yeah, I feel, I mean, Tiff was getting the Sophie Sogretti not a lot of airtime early on treatment. And so I was so glad to see, because I'm sure she's been having great confessionals this whole. game that we just haven't seen, but agreed.
Starting point is 00:12:50 She, like, kept her composure and that conversation with coach when she sits him down and is like, yo, was it you? I kind of heard it was maybe you. And she, yeah, like, to your point, Wendell, she's cool, collected. And it's coach who just kind of can't even find the words. And so I feel like we saw the fallout where Tiff was like, all right, coach is dead to me. And that, but like with Joe, who when he. He spoke to Tiffany.
Starting point is 00:13:18 He just came out and was like, look, I tried to vote you out. I'm sorry. Like, let's move together. And then you see that she was like, okay, like, maybe I got something to work with here because Joe's actually telling me the truth. Whereas coach can't even think up a lie to tell me. Sophie, the way I died when coach was like, oh, I guess I got to go figure out how to make this right with Tiff. He said Tiff down. Tiff, like, what's up?
Starting point is 00:13:47 he's like, hey, you can cuss me out, but let me say what I got to say. Tip, like, all right, what's the? He's like, well, listen, Tiffany. A lot of people will say your name. I, me, never said it. I was actually pushing for Jack Atkins.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Tiffany said, who the fuck is Jack Axis? What the hell? The thing that, and I'm like, okay, maybe coaches, maybe he's going to, like, I'm like, okay, I'm like, okay, I'm impressed, right? Like, he got his monologue, he got his high coup off. Tiffany said, well, who was pushing my name then? Coach said, huh? He glanced out.
Starting point is 00:14:35 He said, that's not a high school kid. I did not think you were going to ask me that part. I think coach fully disassociated there. He was having a flashback to like token cheats, I think. I just don't think how you prepare for a conversation. And we see he clearly prepare. And it's like, bitch, how don't you have the one rebuttal that somebody he was saying in that moment?
Starting point is 00:15:05 It's also what are you getting the line? He had that starter line. Yeah. He didn't slowly up. Chrissy didn't prepare him enough to have any follow up. It was just like, it's like when a guy at a bar goes up to a girl with a pickup line, and it like kind of works. And she's like so like, yeah, he's just like, oh, I might have been that guy before, but.
Starting point is 00:15:28 And it also coach, because he said, he didn't say Jack Atkins. He said, I was pushing for Emily. What did? Wasn't he the one who told Dee a few episodes ago, like, Emily was coming for you? And Dee was like, that's my friend. So like, probably not. But what's coaches be with Emily? I mean, I guess maybe it's all explained by the look that Emily gives that tribal.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Yes. I'm like, you changed my life, Coach. Emily was like, Emily was like, you might need to get a zombie for your damn to fix your life did. What was interesting to me, though, was, again, we see Joe with Tiffany. We see coach with Tiffany. I was surprised by Ozzy's approach with Tiffany because Ozzy was like, hey, man, coach gave me this look. and he said, huh?
Starting point is 00:16:15 And like, I was interested to see, like, did y'all think that was a good, and I guess he was just being honest, but like, and I love Ozzy, but I was thinking like,
Starting point is 00:16:24 if I'm Tiffany, bitch, your name is in the back of my head because like, okay, I get you with coach, but bitch, you gotta write my name down.
Starting point is 00:16:35 I actually thought it was like a really great approach by Ozzie, some of his better game play low key, because Surrey wasn't around telling him what to do. But because, you know, it's the split. And look, sometimes you're going to end up in, like, the minority part of the split vote for someone you don't really want to vote for.
Starting point is 00:16:52 And I think it's the best thing is to be like, to be straight up. You say, like, hey, coach was pushing the whole narrative. Like, it was either like, coach's where the highway. And then he, and then Ozzy says, like, with that being said, I want to get out coach. I want to work with you. I want to, like, set those next steps up. So it's not even like you come and you just apologize, which I think is obviously a good thing, but you're like, hey, here's actually an actionable plan that we can like work on together.
Starting point is 00:17:17 And I think that's like a great olive branch to extend the TIF. And Joe's did something similar, you know, so. Yeah, I think both worked because I feel like TIF was, yeah, she was pissed. She was blindsided. And so she just wanted, I think maybe answers more than anything else. And, you know, like this is Survivor 50. This is a checkers. This is chess.
Starting point is 00:17:37 So if you aren't getting like a random, a name every now and again from maybe somebody who you're allied with or will be allied with, then like, this isn't the game. Like, that's the nature of the game today is that you might catch astray from an ally that is, yeah, that is supposed to help further all of your games in the end. You need those, you just need those answers. You just need some kind of good answer to piece things up because you don't have many options. Your options are dwindling. So it's like, I'm going to talk to y'all.
Starting point is 00:18:05 And if you guys give me the right stuff, all right, we can move forward. If you guys put your foot in your mouth, less than luck. learned. And again, a testament to Tiffany's game, I think we're just, I think we're seeing like the evolution of a masterful player in Tiffany. I'm like, I pray she wins. I want Tiffany to win this season. But if we can see her again and again because like we're watching her having these conversations. We're watching her clock things. We're watching her manage her emotions. We're watching her doing well in challenges. Tiffany's not at all. And yeah, she just needs a good response. Ozzie, good enough. Throw coach under the bus. Joe looked her in the eye like, yo. And we'll talk about that.
Starting point is 00:18:50 We'll talk about that. We'll talk about it later. Okay. But Joe looks her in the eye like, yo, I did it, but let's work. And it seems like it kind of worked. Especially when they're like kind of classically straightforward players coming to you, like an Ozzie and Joe that are like laying it out there. Like Joe's not going to come in with, like, neither is Ozzy. They're not going to come in with some like major BS that you got to like they're kind of going to shoot straight with you.
Starting point is 00:19:14 If a Joe doesn't want to work with you, he's not going to come apologize. He's just going to like hang out with his squad. Yeah. So I think Tiffany, it was right to take it all at face value. And Tiffany shows us, right? Like, again, when I played and if I always think myself in these positions,
Starting point is 00:19:33 Mitch, F you, F you, put my back against the wall. And I think in Tiffany's confession, she says it the best. In this era or how we're playing an enemy today is an ally tomorrow. And I said, who Bible. Yes. Well. Jack's tradition is so much better.
Starting point is 00:20:01 It's been like eight seasons since I was a moderator. My moderating was so good back in the day. Nonetheless. To his credit though, Sophie, he used to be. He used to be so good, Sophie, that the thing that we would hate is he would talk, he would note the commercials. Oh, I forgot it. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:21 And he used to sing the jingles. So it's like, I'll give him a little credit, Sophie. He used, that's impressive. Toby, I was, I was thorough with my moderation and I was trying to ink us a deal. So, you know, we could even hold down the commercials. Maybe they'll give us a deal. We're still waiting on a deal, but, you know, that being said, listen, Ben Gay, okay, you're still out there.
Starting point is 00:20:45 It's just been gay, okay? Is that a person or like? Oh, Jack. Isn't that a product? It's an icy hot brand or the icy hot competitor. I thought that was like one of our listeners like, Ben Gay, if you got a deal for us. Hey, if you're listening to Mr. Gail. Please sign us.
Starting point is 00:21:10 There was also talk about floaters. Floaters. Sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah. The middle. Bisexuals? If you're, can y'all, are y'all trying to sabotage me today?
Starting point is 00:21:30 Is it Ben gay or Ben Bicurious? Or is it Ben Polly? this is what happens on this podcast about 20% survivor and then about and that's why I don't talk because can we talk about the middle the middle Ben Gay, Ben bisexual, whatever we're calling it.
Starting point is 00:21:57 We got what? Aubrey, Devin's Emily, I think we got a fourth. Who's the fourth? Christian. Christian. Yes. And then we have the we have the cloth over here. We have the middle floaters.
Starting point is 00:22:10 And then we have Cerizzeriz, we're Wizard of Oz. Yes, the Wizard of Oz. But the thing is, I think the cloth views them as like part of their group.
Starting point is 00:22:21 So it's just everybody, the middle, who is just the other side at this point. Yeah. To them, it's like the middle
Starting point is 00:22:31 and then there's like just Tiffany. Yeah. It's like, yeah, who are you guys against? That was my confusion. And when you call out, we have to get the middle and you say it like seven times. It's like, that's just your opposition at this point.
Starting point is 00:22:45 That's just the other side. And I'm not a numbers guy, Sophie, but like when you talk about the middle, shouldn't it maybe be like two people? Like it should be a voting squad that can actually swing the vote. That's actually not the middle. I feel like this, what, we started with 24 people.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Like I think everybody, because we're no longer in the Kansas of 18 people. No, like, yeah, we're throwing out terms like middle that like don't even apply anymore. Because yeah, those are, that's, that's a voting block. Like that's a four tight alliance. That's not necessarily just the middle. Like, it used to be swing vote, not swing voters. But I am, I'm, I got to be honest, I'm like impressed that I think mainly Emily and
Starting point is 00:23:35 Aubrey, like I really, they're. have been some episodes where I have been worried for those girls and because they have been so like overtly flip flopping back and forth and they're kind of like nobody is really coming for them yet in a way that I'm like I'm impressed and it's it might be because they are really acting more like a true alliance and less just like swing voters and I think it's also because you have like you've had a coach you have you have some big personality. and big players. Surrey's out there.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Now, she's just, somehow she's dipping and dodging. You got Ozzy. You have players that, you have Jonathan, you have players that there are so many eyes on these people that and a flipping Emily who's flipping all over the place can still find a way to dip and dodge. And same with Aubrey. It's like she just had an idol.
Starting point is 00:24:30 She just held it. She lied to you all. Then she burned. And she's still maneuvering. And it's cool to see. But again, with the cloth alliance being kind of like dismantled, now they're down to what, three or four? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:45 I think there's going to be, there's going to be a lot more eyes on this middle, especially the floating types. Can I make a comment? Sure. Okay, I'm just putting my last. Because, listen, there's no shade. Because I love, but my girl, Chrissy,
Starting point is 00:25:07 But when we are talking about the middle, she does make a statement like, uh, we got to get these middle people out because if not, they're going to go to the end and this is Survivor 50 and this can't happen. And my only thing is, well, girl, these middle people are working the game. My haiku to you is, sister, what you've been doing? Right. Like, I like that.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Like, I'm just like, What you mean they can't get to the end? Girl, they're playing. You're aligned in the cloth. And so that was just my only question. Like, what do you mean? I know. I feel like she gave it away.
Starting point is 00:25:51 I feel like Chrissy admitted like, yeah, we're not really playing that like, we're not playing that like survivor of a game. Like the Clause Alliance is, yeah, doing that kind of honor and integrity bullshit. And so I think she was like, If we get to the end with anybody who, like, was playing, we'll say Survivor, New Era, whatever, Survivor as we know it,
Starting point is 00:26:14 like we're not going to win. And so I feel like she really added herself as, and that whole alliance as not really playing strategically. Yeah, that's a great point, Bryce. Especially you're being like, this is Survivor 50 like that can't. Someone who's playing strategically cannot win. We got to audit it up. Come on.
Starting point is 00:26:36 I was just like, sis, what's going on here? Yeah. Someone who tells me I talk too much has to win this season. But wait, can we also talk about in that same breath, justice for Chrissy? Because Chrissy got her lick back, okay? Coach was on that hammock. Chrissy pulled up and Chrissy said, hey, Ben, you doing a lot of this? doing a lot of this.
Starting point is 00:27:09 And now I'm attached to your ass. And so I'm going to need you to haiku or chew. Okay. Haku shoo. And coach was your life. I did think it was diabolical of the producers to have you your fate tied to the pair because I bet like Christy was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like now I have to worry about coach.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Like I, in that moment, I was like, damn. I'm trying to think of like the worst person from my season. Like, what if there was, what if I was on a pair with them and then your fate is tied to them? Or like, yeah, Aubrey and Devin. Like, it just, oh, God. That, that was some messy shit that the producers gave us. And I was here for it. What do you all think of the pairs?
Starting point is 00:27:57 Joe and Tiffany, Ozzy and Stephanie, Devin's and Aubrey, Christian and Jonathan, uh, Chrissy and coach and Emily and Rizzo. I thought there were some strong looking pairs. I thought the Jonathan Christian pair, it's like, you got it all there, you know? And not even all there. I thought that was the best, not even physically. I thought where they're aligned, I thought, and I don't, I guess I got to give credit to Jonathan, right?
Starting point is 00:28:27 Because it's like, we don't know what's going to happen in this twist. And if potentially were voted out, I do want to align myself with someone. who's working with the middle, aka the numbers, right? And so that if they were to be voted, I know the cloth isn't going to want to vote me out. And I know the middle isn't going to want to vote Christian out. So I was like that outside of the physical aspect
Starting point is 00:28:50 and the puzzle aspect, I was like, that's actually, in my opinion, the strongest payer. I've been trying to give Jonathan his just-do all season. Like, I like this version of Jonathan. Like he seems poised, even keel. He seems like he's trying. He seems a little more self-aware. I do like this version of this 2.0 version of Jonathan.
Starting point is 00:29:17 And aside from this pair, I thought another pair that looks similar with one from each side with a lot of strength is Ozzy and Stephanie. Yeah. Lots of strength. Both sides, you know. Both have some controversy. Not I'm kidding. Just one. What?
Starting point is 00:29:41 I don't know. Oh, go ahead, Jack. Okay. I feel like most of the pairs were one of each alliance except for Chrissy and Coach and then Rick and Aubrey. Because like Tiff and Joe kind of had one of each. And I guess Rizzo and Emily were the other one that were technically both
Starting point is 00:30:04 both on the non-cloth side but it's funny that like for some reason Rizzo and Emily like really flying out like they didn't come up once Rizzo is a horseman yeah he is a horseman
Starting point is 00:30:19 a horse god a horse god I guess I guess I read somewhere that and I don't believe this because I believe Rizzo to be playing a really strong game
Starting point is 00:30:32 and like he won me over these last couple episodes, but I think I saw somewhere where people are like looking at him as like, all right, we can bring him to the end. So it's one of these situations where he's doing whatever he wants because the eyes aren't there on him. And it's like,
Starting point is 00:30:52 do whatever you want, bro. I disagree with that because what we're seeing is Rizzo looking like he's maneuvering and really having these conversations. But it could, two things could all. also be true. Yeah. One pair that I was worried for, just, I was really worried for cousin Ricky and Aubrey.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Just when I saw the pairs, I was just like, I don't know what's about to happen here. But to my delight, Miss Aubrey got in the field, cousin Ricky. I was like, y'all better do the damn thing. That wasn't really actually a really well-balanced. challenge in terms of, I agree, I was not, I saw, I saw, uh, yeah, Devons and Aubrey and I was like, oh shit, they're cooked. But they like, because they made it to the, did they, they made it to the end, right? They made it to the ball challenge because you had this first section, which was way more like strength and like physical, like the ability to balance and like hand eye coordination.
Starting point is 00:31:59 but then you got like a couple puzzle challenges that are like the great equalizer and so it allowed not just like a Tiff and Joe or like a Jonathan well I guess Jonathan and Christian like it allowed not just a strong team to run away with it like the other players were giving Tiff and Joe a run for their money
Starting point is 00:32:21 and I just I mean this is just how I feel about any sporting event like I want overtime I want it close and we got that which was great Can't sleep on Rick and Aubrey though. They're sleeping good in the challenges. I mean, but I do agree with you. It was a good challenge. It had a lot of components.
Starting point is 00:32:37 I'm curious for you guys thinking about the breaking into pairs aspect of it all. If you were on that beach in their shoes, would you have any initial expectations of like, who should I be trying to pair up with? Because sometimes we see you got to go against your pair. Sometimes you win as a pair. Obviously, we've never seen you've never seen you. vote out a pair, but would that be something that runs through your mind if when you're hit with this twist, knowing that it's season 50 and we're voting out, you know, a lot of times multiple
Starting point is 00:33:08 people at once? I think I would have gone with someone physical. I think I would have just automatically paired myself with a man that's tall. Surprise. Okay. That looked like he could manhandle me if need be. You don't pin me down
Starting point is 00:33:31 and I just scream for help and you know I say ah and they don't let me go until I say green apples and that's a safe word and then I say take it back and then they just
Starting point is 00:33:42 you know and so guys would you rather have been paired with Jonathan Ozzy or Risgod or Joe
Starting point is 00:33:54 or Joe I think. Do we have their heights anywhere? Do we have their heights to race anywhere? Jonathan is 6-6, Ozzy 5-10, Joe 5-9. Well, I think because I've had- Joe 5-9. No, it's Jonathan 6-2, Riz got 6-1, Joe 6-feet, and Ozzy's 5-10.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Well, just because it's the Riz, I'm a pass on the Riz. Okay. I don't really want nothing to do with the cloth. So I'm a pass on Jonathan. I've been pinned down by Ozzie. So, you know, I always want to see what. I always want to see what a fire hose look like. I just might let Joe squirt me in the face.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Bryce, he's our friend. I got to say it. Oh, my God. Bryce is going to be in the background that's new Tyler Perry show. Help, help. It's a fire. It's like gasoline in his hand. Lord of Jesus.
Starting point is 00:35:06 It's a joke. Come put me out. What about you guys? What would have your initial thought on, like, who you would want to pair up with me? I would go for, like, challenge strength. I feel pretty good about puzzles. so I would go for physical strength and like maybe throwing
Starting point is 00:35:28 because I feel like that's where I'm a little weaker but I would not at all have a thought of like oh shit I could maybe like this could maybe come back and bite me in the ass because we're going to be voting. Well time out Sophie asked because what we're not going to do here on the Purple Pants podcast is
Starting point is 00:35:46 we don't downplay our abilities bitch. Okay, we sneak you on 49 Miss Mammas. Okay. talk about a physical beast. Your nails might give my nails some competition, but you were in the paint, Sophie. You were a puzzle beast. You were clearly thinking beyond the realm,
Starting point is 00:36:06 and you were absolutely physical. So what we're not going to do today is act like you're not a physical beast. You know, I will take, I'll take it. I'll take it all. Because I, yeah, like, I would have been up there, like, absolutely not. This is, I'm not doing anybody any favors. I'm trying to win.
Starting point is 00:36:25 And I would try to find someone who is as good in challenges as I am. Because, yeah, I would want to win that spaghetti. That's a reward that I will. I would have been excited for. I'm with you. I'm with you. On Ghost Island, we had a challenge where we were split into twos. And this was final six or seven or something like that.
Starting point is 00:36:49 And I don't know if we drew rocks for the first person, but then we had to pick our partners. And I ended up with Dom, my ally, my road dog, a strong competitor. Very strong, stronger than you. Smarter, more connected. Should have won. So I end up with a closer friend to me than Bryce Isaiah. and a much better survivor player than Bryce Isaiah,
Starting point is 00:37:24 Dom, and someone who made it about seven times. Anyway, me and Dom, we were locked in, and it was great to compete with someone that is like really good at challenges. So like you said, Sophie, you want someone that's like a dog, Dom and I were locked in. And it helped. Two things.
Starting point is 00:37:45 We won that challenge, Bryce. Okay. two things. When Christian was getting the boards and he's like, middle, little, middle, John says, speaking! And Christian's like, middle little big. And then Christian's like, I mean, medium middle big.
Starting point is 00:38:03 And John says like, you gotta use smaller words for me. That was a mess. That was a mess to watch. Super tiny. I was like, oh damn. Any bitty. I would have me. dirty.
Starting point is 00:38:18 I can't understand two syllable words. It's like minute, micro small. It did. That was hilarious. But I got to, I got it.
Starting point is 00:38:33 So Tiffany and Joe one, clap it up because they did the damn thing. Now listen, we love Joe. Uh-oh. On this podcast, but I got to get in Joe's ass this episode. Sofi,
Starting point is 00:38:46 you are. work a corporate job, correct? I do. Unfortunately, one of those. As do I, so I get it. And if your manager send you a message on teams and says, hey, Sophie, how are you? How would you respond?
Starting point is 00:39:03 What do you want? Not actually, but like... Give me the professional version. Good morning, Sophie. How are you? Yeah. I'd be like, doing well. like what's like essentially doing well how are you all like what can I do for you okay good now let's say us a Friday night we six white claws in and your girlfriend like girl what's you doing how would you respond and be like yeah what are we about to get up to let me know what are you up to
Starting point is 00:39:37 okay I'm so happy you brought that up because when Joe was talking to Tiff I don't know if that was Joe. I felt like that was manager, Joe. Joe, Joe, Joe was like, yo, yo, yo,
Starting point is 00:39:55 what's up, Tiff? Where you been at? Yo! You try to leak the night? Yo, I wrote your name down, but my bad. My bad,
Starting point is 00:40:05 yo, what's up? You the birthday. Yo, no, no, no, Tiff, you did that. You the birthday. I said. That Tyler Perry,
Starting point is 00:40:14 I said, what did Jiminy Crickers is going on? Then he over there would coach like, gee, pal Jiffy, how are you doing today, Ben? What's going on? I said the switch up is crazy. This was not the Joe who spoke to Eva. He did not talk to Eva that way, that's for sure. Joe was like, I've been suppressed for two. straight seasons tip, we got to just hang out.
Starting point is 00:40:48 That's why they locked in so fast. That was a master class in what we call code switching. I'll tell you that. Yeah. We was in Boston. I thought Joe said, what's up? I said, now, wait a minute. What is going on? Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Joe said in the club, we all friends. in the reward we all fail okay I said okay Joe I see you and it's interesting because again when they are when they in the club Joe's like we locked in and I thought that was huge coming from Joe
Starting point is 00:41:35 like honor and integrity and you can lock in with and I'm like whoa Joe was weaving him Joe is weaving himself into a web now that I like. But I'm like, it will be interesting to see how if it is tested, how he'll explain himself or get out of it. Because I'm like, you just locked in over some spaghetti. Like, you was like, dog, we're in.
Starting point is 00:42:04 I was happy, though, to find, like, I, like, this is the, like, we want Joe to be, yeah, get, getting messy, like, making friends with other people, don't just stick with the cloth alliance. That's so boring. And so I was like, yes, flip on them, hang out with Tiff, like blindside them. Don't see, like, I would love for Joe to move into the middle. Like, shake it up. Sophie, you know Joe is not going to flip on them, though.
Starting point is 00:42:33 But, like, did he voted for coach? Did he vote for coach? Can I say, oh, I maybe I read Dalton Ross's interview. today with coach and you know what he said about Joe's vote? He said Joe only wrote Chrissy and they made Joe
Starting point is 00:42:52 go back into the booth and they forced him to write coach. Well, Joe knew what he was doing, I mean. It was like, I got to, wait, we're voting two people out. I was fine, though, for the woman, but I was
Starting point is 00:43:10 Oh. Okay, that's crazy though. Did he go to his seat and have to go back? He must be like, who wrote this? Joe was like, me. Oh. Yes. Okay, so he might not.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Yeah. Forced to flip. It's a good. It's good for him to make these inroads with Tiff and stuff. piece things up the night before, but I don't want them to paint himself in a corner where it's like, now you got allies all over the place. And now it's like,
Starting point is 00:43:50 now we're going to really test your gangster, Joe. We're really going to see what it is. And I want to see it. Yeah, it's impossible to play this game with, like, well with actual honor and integrity because you want to a lot, if you want to have relationships with people, you're going to find yourself,
Starting point is 00:44:05 yourself in tricky situations where you have to, like, pick aside. And there's nothing really wrong. Like, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. That's the game. I really thought this was a good episode for Joe for that reason. And I like that. And I think especially the circumstances that occurred at tribal gave Joe a good out to actually make that move.
Starting point is 00:44:23 Now, I don't know if I love this information of now imagining him having to be like, yeah, I voted for them. At the firehouse, you only got to vote for one person. And then I'm just imagining he had to go back up and like, right coach. And then coach was like, man, what's the? He probably heard his, that might have heard his rep a little bit. But I did like that he was able to like, I mean, I'm impressed that Joe was able to vote for coach and Chrissy. The other thing, though, is there is a part of me is wondering if he has the excuse of like, yo, it was just Tiff and I on this, like, date essentially. Like, what did you want me to do?
Starting point is 00:45:00 Like, I couldn't, we couldn't sit there in silence. Like, I had to give her something. So I feel like he could also fully flip and go back to the cloth and be like, that didn't mean anything. It was just, yeah, it was just a one-night. stand now I'm back back to my cloth people and and the whole idol situation also like I said gives them a little bit more leeway to be like well I couldn't vote for them like who else right was I really going to vote for it right these were kind of written in the stars at that point it was interesting just quick because we got to talk about the queen of course I'm crying just to see the arc of
Starting point is 00:45:35 seri and like Wendell has said multiple times throughout this podcast sofia is that like he really feels like this season we are sending these legends off, right? Like this will probably be the last time that we see them and so we get these arcs of these players. And so to see Sarri out there them showing her journey
Starting point is 00:45:55 and her just seeing Surrey break down and cry. I'm in Boston. I felt like Jack. I was in the corner under a speaker and I was crying because I was like, oh, like just to see Ceri struggle, but then just to see her overcome it doesn't really
Starting point is 00:46:11 much to the episode, but again, just love paying homage to the queen that is Sarie and just of her story and journey and just being tested time and time again. Also, this is the first time I think I saw I think this is the first time Saris ever had
Starting point is 00:46:26 like individual immunity as in this episode she was you know, she didn't win no challenge but she was safe which is kind of wild. Yeah. But I think it's more of a testament to how she maneuvers, you know what I mean? Right. Right. Like her style of play. I do agree with you, Wendell that it does seem this 50 is like,
Starting point is 00:46:44 like we had that beautiful episode about Colby and now we have this episode about Surrey. And I feel like this is what like I wanted from Survivor 50. Like I did not need the cameos of celebs, but I, yeah, I wanted a celebration of these players. And it's also just helpful now as a fan, but also somebody who's played to get to peek inside their mind. Like, because when you're at home, you're like, why the hell would you keep coming back?
Starting point is 00:47:11 Zaree, you have done it all. Like, you can't, like, what else do you want to gain from this, like, incredibly difficult and taxing game? And so it's also, I feel like this episode really let us see why fans love Survivor. And then also why the players love Survivor, because you get to see what people are made of when they're fully stripped down. And Bryce, yo, I was with you. I was like, I was crying.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I was thinking about it like this morning. of yeah, just all, yeah, what I got out of Survivor plane is that you get to see, yeah, without anything else, what you're made of. And in this day and age, you don't get to do that a lot. Absolutely. It's just amazing to see the Queen Savory and them just showing her love. Now, I do want to pivot to my man Ozzy, because Ozzy is funny where they're trying to figure out where we're voting. And I also, I want to know if anyone picked up on this with the Riz God, right? Where the Riz God, Ceres out finding the bird coconut.
Starting point is 00:48:20 And now it's Rizzo and Ozzie. And we know Ozzy has, we've seen improvement in his game, but Ozzy still shows us that he's like, listen, I'm just, I climb the trees. I do the things. This social game is new to me, right? Like, it almost is like Ozzy should play with the cloth, right? But Ozzy, he with the people. And so now they're like, he's with Rizzo. He's like, who do you think, who you think?
Starting point is 00:48:44 And it's interesting to hear Rizzo say Aubrey or D Evans, right? Like for me, that's like, see, y'all keep thinking Riz's. And it's like, I really believe he planted that seed because Riz is locked in. Riz ain't no dummy. Riz know that's not what Ceree would do. And Ozzy's like, yeah, man, you're so right. Like, that's, yeah, that's what Cere would do. Two seconds later, Sarie back, like,
Starting point is 00:49:11 What's up? I got to vote what we doing. They're like, Sarri, this is what's happening. Sarri, like, yeah, nah, we got to get coaching, Chrissy. When are we going to be able to break this cloth up here? And Ozzy's like, geez. Yeah. I thought I've been working with you long enough.
Starting point is 00:49:28 I was going to roll. I was going to vote Rick and Aubrey. And we don't see that conversation with Surrey and Riz guy. And I really feel like the Riz tried to pull a fast. And I'm not mad at it because I think Chris sees what's up. No, I, yeah, a few great things that. A, I mean,
Starting point is 00:49:47 Ozzy's confessional might be like an all-time or some three myth testament of being like, man, I'm so glad Surrey came back or else I would have made the worst mistake of my life. Which, low-key, probably might have been a better mood for Ozzie to stay with the child.
Starting point is 00:50:02 I don't know if Ozzy's going to fit in very well with Rick Devin's Aubrey of it all. But I do agree. Here's the thing. The cloth, it's a big, it's a big faction. And, but I think putting myself in Rizzo's mind a little bit here as sort of the swing position, there's like five cloth members. You're at 13. If you knock out of Devin's and Aubrey here, you're at 11. And then I think everybody knows the six of us remaining, now we have to target that group. And Rizzo's also still in with that group a little bit.
Starting point is 00:50:37 I think that puts him in a prime position. Whereas now, yeah, you knock out a lot of that. You take the wind out of their sales a little bit. But the game is now a little bit more wide open, which can be good and bad. But I do think Rizzo's path, I think it's thinking was right. Because I think if you take out Evans and Aubrey, the path the next few votes becomes a lot more clear.
Starting point is 00:50:57 And you've still got, like, coach trust Rizzo. You know what I mean? So, but Ceri obviously came in and was like, no, we're not doing that. And they were like, okay. It was like the teacher was a what, like they had a sub and they were all like fucking around. And then the teacher came back and they were like, oh, all right. Straighten up.
Starting point is 00:51:18 It was so funny. One time's over. We got to stop having that. Yeah. And obviously we know the votes are going all over the place and we're at tribal. And I'm speechless because I know, I knew the moment was coming for cousin. Ricky to get the idol, right? I didn't know how it was going to be, what it was going to be like.
Starting point is 00:51:45 But dare I say, bitch, it was better than I thought. And you could tell cousin Ricky had practiced this because he was like, well, I had something I needed to get and I couldn't get it. Boom, just tore the whole setup. And it's funny because there's this article of Jeff Pope saying like they've never put anything at tribal and they probably won't. And one of the reasons is that Jeff was like, we cut it down to 26 days.
Starting point is 00:52:14 We're cutting money. And we were to put stuff at tribal, they would tear it up. And so we don't do that. And they cut to Ricky just tearing it up. But that moment of just Ricky doing that, it brought joy to my life. I felt like the Riz God,
Starting point is 00:52:32 seeing that. It was awesome. my thoughts Oh go ahead Sophie you first I was just going to say like in terms of fake idols that was the most brilliant
Starting point is 00:52:43 because like just walking to tribal and like holding it is not like that's not gonna cut it anymore like this was just like a masterful way to plant a fake idol because you had the added step of like oh I haven't been able to get it yet
Starting point is 00:52:59 and so I loved that it was hidden that tribal and he didn't just pretend to have a fake idol the only thing I'll say, I agree, the only thing I end in Boston when we were watching this, because I wasn't so locked in the whole episode, when this part happened, I was, my jaw was on the floor. I was like, wow, it's happening. The only thing I'll say is, I wish he would have looked for it a little longer.
Starting point is 00:53:22 He went right to the spot, pulled a few things out, and got it. I wish he would have been searching all around that. I remember when he's at war, Adam Klein is pulling the damn podium. him and pulling it and pulling it and pulling it. And we're just like, I wish, I wish Rick did some more theatrical. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:43 Be lying to it. That's the only thing. It did seem a little bit performative in a way. But that is also just Rick. So I see why people, like if you're sitting there and you don't have all this information like we do as viewers, I think you just kind of believe that it's an idol.
Starting point is 00:53:58 And he handled everything else so well too because Stephanie, I mean, I don't know. Like, why don't we just? asked me to show it, which I mean, I guess it's like a good, a valid question to see what he says, but it's like, Rick was totally right, like, why would I show
Starting point is 00:54:11 it to you? Because if it was a real one, I'd be like, I'm not going to show it. If you can go ahead and vote for me and I'll play it and you can go home. Like, I don't care, you know, so I think he played it super well in that sense too, and especially being able to like cover him and Aubrey and just totally put everybody off
Starting point is 00:54:29 of that. Listen, Listen, Stephanie and I might have opposing view. But baby, when she was talking to the people and saying, we should make him show it. If I am in that position, bitch, I'm Stephanie. Well, first of all, I'm not Stephanie. I'm being pull it out.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Let me see it. Let me see the print. Let me clock the print because you know they're doing that on TikTok now. Let me see it. But when Stephanie was demanding Christian to be like, and you should do it. Tell him. Christian was like, hey, wait, man, man, man, man, my name is Bennett,
Starting point is 00:55:10 and I sure damnly ain't in it. He said, I don't want anything to do it this. Also, you know, but I get Stephanie being, like, I think the idea is right. But then A, why, like, if you have any semblance of observational skills, you'd understand Christian and devons are closed. Like, why would you never do that? And then, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Stephanie doesn't seem like genuinely confused when she's like, wait, why won't you show us? She's like genuinely wouldn't understand. I was like, Stephanie, come on. It's obvious. Like, I don't know. You know. But I'm not mad at that though because it's like, again,
Starting point is 00:55:44 if I put myself in Stephanie's shoes, right? Like I, first of all, it's the cloth. We only go one way. This is the only vote we got. Like, she's trying to disprove it. And like, I got it. Like, because him not letting us see the print, That photo you sent ain't you.
Starting point is 00:56:04 That photo you said ain't you. Let me see it. And so she was trying to sow the distrust, like let's still put votes on him. So I wasn't mad at the approach, but it sure was crazy. And I loved how Rick Devin's clocked it during tribal when he was like,
Starting point is 00:56:23 uh, what people are saying clearly ain't true. Because look at all of this movement. if we if y'all are doing what y'all said y'all were going to do honor and integrity y'all you should be doing this movement and jonathan's going to be like well yeah you're showing your true colors too mr rick i feel like yeah even if like even if the idol didn't end up working and you know scaring them away from voting rick and aubrey it what it did is it showed exactly where the vote was going to go and showed exactly who was on which side and that was brilliant.
Starting point is 00:57:06 Like it's a, it's like a similar tactic to when people like play their shot in the dark and then like look around like, oh, are you pissed that I tried this? Like it was great and I love, love me a live tribal and yeah, we got a we got a live one. Do we? So I mean, I loved everything about what Rick did. Even at the end when he tells Aubrey like, I couldn't play it at the same tribal I found it. But what I'll throw out to you. And I don't know the right answer to this, but is he, is it dangerous now that he has, everyone thinks he has an idol that isn't actually real? Because now he sort of committed himself to playing this like idol bluff game without an actual idol.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Is there a world he should have just like played it at tribal and then even been like, oh my God, what? It's like fake or even just been like, oh, got you guys. Like, sorry. Because now he's stuck with it. Like people might target him and he doesn't have a real idol. he has idol-finder yeah but also he's committed himself to his lie
Starting point is 00:58:06 even to like Aubrey like he's gonna say he has an idol I think that puts him in a great position now I feel like people are going to like want to come to him to figure out where we're going to vote because we can't vote for you now it can be either way
Starting point is 00:58:19 like with like with Rizzo last season but I'm also worried like what if Aubrey and Emily are like oh can I see the idol like we're allies can I see the idol and he's like nah that I'd be like What do you, like, what kind of?
Starting point is 00:58:31 Well, then he could admit to it. I feel like it's better that he didn't. Like, because now there's, he's extending the life. He's getting a little bit more optionality by not just having Jeff Burnett. Like now he could maybe stretch it out. And because he finds so many idols, I feel like people, every tribal are always like, well, he's Rick. He might have something.
Starting point is 00:58:52 So I kind of think that him holding on to it and not playing it is better long term because he's getting a little bit more use out of it. Yeah, I don't know what the, alternative necessarily would have been. Like, I don't think he should have, like, pulled out the rock that was in there. I mean, like, gotcha guys. Like that could all just put a match and forget on his back. But, and I think it was all worth it to survive this tribal, obviously.
Starting point is 00:59:11 But now he is in a tricky position, too, just given that he, everyone thinks he's got an idol. It's not even real, which could help it could hurt. Yeah. I think the best part, I mean, there were just so many best parts, but in the heat of the moment, when everybody is scrambling and for, uh, and for and for
Starting point is 00:59:33 the Riz God in the heat of the moment to be like geez Mr. Rick that was the best move ever I can't believe I got to watch that oh my God
Starting point is 00:59:45 okay I'll talk to you later like for the Riz God to Riz in the middle of that and then for Jeff to even clock it I thought that was hilarious and that's again say what you want. The Riz God can shart in my bed.
Starting point is 01:00:02 You can never make me hate the Riz God. Because I just love the deviousness, the, like the purity, and like the love for the game. But like he reminds me of a Jack Axis. Check this. What if Riz continues to fanboy like that? This man in the middle of tribal jumps up. That's number six. jumps back down.
Starting point is 01:00:27 What if Riz does this and sits at the end and locks in like, that was my shtick? These are my moves. I'm a fan. It's true. I am a fan, but I... Yeah, lean into it. No, I think it's been a great strategy.
Starting point is 01:00:46 I just, I think we touched on a little bit earlier. I mean, I think it's great. If you can lay it out, he's playing a fantastic game. I do worry less about how he's doing it and more about like, Now you have a coach and a Chrissy on the jury that are sort of going to be like he's just. He said you were my hero. He seems like he might actually be having some good foundation. He's just sort of, he's almost like little broing himself.
Starting point is 01:01:10 And when you do that, people might not look at you with like that respect. Not to say he doesn't deserve it. But I think it's intentional. Like I think he's doing that. Like he's intentionally like sunning himself so that nobody is taking him seriously now. And then come final travel counsel, he's going to be like, okay coach like yes love you dude but like you know that i was just i was just blown smoke up your ass and it's working you ever see he's like top tier right now yeah but i just were i wonder
Starting point is 01:01:36 if at a final tribal would a coach would a chissy would a would a joe sit there and be like oh yeah you were blowing smoke up my ass that actually was a great job right depending on who's next to And it's like Kaiser Sosa or Kaiser Sosa, you know that movie with Kevin Spacey. Yeah. We've got the limit. Can you imagine him at Final Tribal, like, I can't believe that I'm here, guys. It's been amazing. But yo, let me just step in with trouble.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Day one. It's like he's on a reward with Tiffany. I was with you. Right. Like, if he switches up like that. But my last thought is something what you said, Jack, I also think, because it's a Survivor 50, right? And again, I never got this far, Sophie, so I never had to think like this. But it is so interesting where it's the game of Survivor.
Starting point is 01:02:30 Like, you have to get to the end. But also, it's like now with a coach and a Chrissy on the jury, this is going to directly affect the winner now. Right. Like, and I'm so curious if we will see any of those conversations of like, hey, we got to get you out. or like you don't have a chance because like, because this is directly going to affect who our winner is. D is going to see those two pull up to Ponderos and be like, oh my God.
Starting point is 01:03:01 I know. Poor D. Can you imagine? Like, hey, y'all. Oh, my God. I did. You know, we kind of, Wendell's got to go pick up when he,
Starting point is 01:03:13 it looks like. But, you know, since he was moderating, I didn't get to give my, my top line thoughts. on the twist. And, you know, I feel like going into the episode with the previews and stuff, I was a little worried that it was going to be like, oh, they're going to split the, it's going to be split tribal, it's going to be whatever.
Starting point is 01:03:32 I thought this was a great twist. Like, I thought that because we, my biggest great, and actually yesterday before the episode, I was sort of in my mind thinking about like, where a survivor kind of started to go wrong? Because I felt like this season was starting, even 50 was starting to lose a little bit of steam. And, you know, I was just like the thing about like, what's the formula that to get us back to like prime survivor? But because with the blood moon, you know, Sophie, I said after that when we recap that episode, I was sort of like, they're labeling it as some like massive all time twist. It's like the most basic thing of splitting into three groups of five and you're just like, okay, who are my two numbers?
Starting point is 01:04:12 Easy. And with this, in my gripe with that, I think these twists, especially on a 50 should be things that. facilitate like strategic innovation and like make the players really like scramble and nobody knows what to expect and and the great players are going to be able to handle the twist really well and like make the most of it and bad players might be like I don't know how to grapple with whatever is getting thrown at me here and I thought this was like the perfect example of that where nobody on this beach like really knows exactly what the right way to play this is they don't know who they should duo up with because they don't even know the twist yet
Starting point is 01:04:47 So there's like strategic calculus in who you decide to pair up with. And it just like opens things up. And I thought I love that component about it. It was also like actually a twist where you're voting out of duo and like we haven't actually seen that before. And I also like that like everyone had their own vote. You weren't like you could still play your own game. But there was. So I was just, I was definitely very enthusiastic about the twist, especially given, you know, you got to call the herd a little bit and get out two numbers.
Starting point is 01:05:16 This was a great way to do that. I feel like, I'm so sorry. Oh, sorry. I was going to say, I feel like the hallmark of a good twist is when like you don't know what's going to happen. Whereas like with the Blood Moon, you looked at those three groups and you're like, oh, it's obvious who's going home. You know, like we know who's going home. And it was like maybe a little bit of debate between Coach or Colby, but like because they were small groups. And so I fully agree with you there that like the Blood Moon was just our normal, you know, mergatory split tribal, but just big.
Starting point is 01:05:47 because we have more players. Whereas this, because we didn't, like, there were a couple different pairs that you could have argued, made good strategic sense to go home, that were taking shots at all the different groups. Like, they could have gone Devons, Aubrey. They could have gone Coach Chrissy. Or it could have been crazy.
Starting point is 01:06:04 They could have been like, let's sacrifice one from each Jonathan Christian. Right. And also, to your point, again, with the blood moon, for instance, or even with the general complaint of like these smaller tribes to start the season, not relevant on 50, but in the new era, But it's literally, if you are on one of those blood moon tribes, you've got yourself, you've got someone else who's one immunity, unless that happens to be you. You literally have three options.
Starting point is 01:06:29 And it's very black and white. And here, like you said, I think the mark of a good twist is like it creates this gray area of choice where you don't know what the criteria is. There's not like an obvious yes or no because here it is like you can take a big swing at the other side or, you know, you can go for people in the middle. or whatever. And even taking a swing at the other side, it's like, well, you might be in a duo
Starting point is 01:06:51 with someone who's like in that side. And obviously you have your own vote, but you still got to like figure out what there. Yeah, you know, you don't want to necessarily be like in a pair with them and then also betraying them. You know, I think we saw Joe contend with that with like his new found out line TIF. So, yeah, I thought this one was really good.
Starting point is 01:07:09 I also thought what was great was the exile island with Surrey where she could come back with a vote or not. And I think that that could sway it even more. Do y'all think if say Kyle didn't get evacuated, do you think there would have been another pair and the pair would have gone to exile? I don't know. I think there would have been no.
Starting point is 01:07:26 So I don't think there would have been exile. And my one complaint with some of these twists like this and it worked better this episode than with the Blood Moon. I don't love like just sending people to exile. They're automatically safe. I do like that Surrey was able to come back and participate in this vote. I thought that was great.
Starting point is 01:07:43 Because my gripe with the Blood Moon too was like, you've just like deleted. Rizzo and Ozzy from the episode. Like we don't see them actually make decisions. They don't have any sway in the game. They're not at risk. And I felt sort of similar with Serigo and exile, but obviously she was able to come back.
Starting point is 01:08:00 But I think I would have preferred just like another duo rather than the Surrey situation. But I thought all things considered, it was great. And I'm also curious about just diving a little bit more into her time on exile and like that challenge
Starting point is 01:08:13 because we didn't really talk about it. I guess to that, like that my question with that is say you're over in your you're in serri's shoes and you've got all these coconuts and it looked like there was a decent amount of time i thought i was going to be a little bit faster but i'm guessing she probably had like two hours maybe maybe hour and a half i don't know what would your first impression like your first instinct on how to handle that challenge have been don't judge me but i mean i would have turned over a couple of coconuts and then i would have been like shit i'm safe i just
Starting point is 01:08:47 lose my voted brown let them figure it out there's no blood on my hands and just come back i feel like i actually would have first rather than turning them over tried to like just run through and look like look at each side because i feel like i could get like a good amount of visibility like I think in my brain I would be like survivor it wouldn't have been face down we know survivor like they're they want that shot yeah so I would have done it rather than picking them up just kind of walked through and then I think the other thing I would have done is I would have guessed that they probably wouldn't start right near where the like the thing is so I would have started kind of in the middle but and then I would have walked first and then if I couldn't have found it then started flipping stuff over yeah that was my instinct there was like there's so many coconuts, you're not going to be able to flip everyone over. So they're not going to hide it not facing you. And so I was thinking about what's the best way to cover as much ground? And it kind of brought me back to Christian and David Rysk Goliath with his, I think was
Starting point is 01:10:00 breath first search, like doing like a wide surge game. And I was thinking, do you eat? I don't know if it's better to like run sort of verticals and kind of like hit it on the way out also see it on the way, but I was thinking you almost, you're either start in the middle or you start in the outside and you do like a spiral. And so you're like going around the circumference and you're like seeing everything in the middle from both sides as you're like wrapping. Because then you're hitting every side. But you know, that also lends the possibility where if you start on the outside and like maybe you miss it, you might not come back to it.
Starting point is 01:10:37 If it's, if it's on the outside. Yeah. I feel like there's some, there is a, survivor nerd out there who knows the correct way to do this and they're going to be in the comments like the correct way is like zigzag up down zamboni blah blah blah like i'm sure there's some like smart way to do it girl i feel like i'm on the podcast with the survivor nerds because bitch i'm just walking around and kicking random coconuts like i'm not even thinking all of that like that's so crazy i'm just like flick yeah i get to chill here tonight yeah sick honestly there was a part of me that like you know like 24 is a lot people. Like if I was three, I'd be like, like, thank God a night to myself. Like get away from these kids. Yeah. For sure.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Although I do think being able to go to a tribal like that, obviously protected with a vote. Very great time to have some influence. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, well, it's safe to say, uh, this is no Zach Brown, but the double, double double low low high queue with a little bit of a little bit of idle find it. Survivor 50 is definitely picking back up and I mean I've been locked in but I'm locked locked locked back in. I was like yelling at my TV while I was watching.
Starting point is 01:11:56 We were back to that level of like, oh shit, which is how you want it. You know? Although I will say You brought it up, Bryce I think the double duo could have used some word shopping. Yeah, well, yeah. It's just a duo.
Starting point is 01:12:12 Right. It's not a double duo. That duo is a duo. It could have been like duo, duo danger. Yeah. But other than that, it was a great. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:22 I was surprised, though, that, you know, like, I mean, it was kind of it was another classic episode from Coach with all of his shenanigans. Even him sitting in the hammock, he's just generating content. But I was sort of like, I was surprised knowing his name was out there that he, you know, obviously appeased Chrissy with her request. But I still would have thought coach would have been out there, like trying to save himself knowing he was in trouble. But maybe he just had, you know, maybe he just had the trust in the cloth.
Starting point is 01:12:53 Well, and that shows you you can't trust the cloth. If I were Chrissy, I would be a little pissed off in the sense when they got voted out. They're like, all right, Chrissy, see you later. Boom. Come here, coach. It's been an honor to have you with us. You, like, I was just like, well, damn, like, how y'all just shoot Chrissy off like that? That pissed me off.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Like, not only did you make her go out first, but then you're not even going to give her, like, anything. Like, Jeff, get the fuck out of here. I hated that. And you know, coach is going to be like, Chrissy did get voted out right before me. Like, I didn't make it farther. Like, let's not play. Order matters.
Starting point is 01:13:34 Order matters for prize money. Order matters for, like, status. Like, is really Chrissy getting first? To that point, does this go down as like the first ever tied placement? I don't know. Because again,
Starting point is 01:13:48 hearing what Wendell said, how Joe just wrote Chrissy's name down. Like, I really think Chrissy is the, 17th like it's is is de christie didn't coach I mean I get like I guess but to me placement wise that's the same place like I don't think so I do they got voted out the same time
Starting point is 01:14:09 I know but like Jeff was like the third or 12th and 13th or 13th and 14th like he he did not say like tie like he said this and then this and when somebody gets medevac and we don't vote for the third person they the next vote is the fourth person Yeah, but they lasted literally more time. But they, like, if someone gets mad at, I'm on your side.
Starting point is 01:14:30 I just think CBS is not. I think CBS is CBS at Chrissy. Well, if I'm Chrissy, I'm for sure saying, me and coach get the same prize money. Right. So that's to me. I would love to hear from her. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:44 I think she's had a lot of thoughts on those seasons. Yeah. As would I. But it is safe to say, Sophie, it was a treat to have you with us. This cannot be your last time ever. Okay, we got to do this again. Jack, as always, appreciate you moving your schedule and making things work. And when DZ.
Starting point is 01:15:04 It's great to have you as always. Yes. And we'll be back next week covering episode nine. This has been your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 50. We're out. See you later. Thank you for joining us, Couthey. Thank you.
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