RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | Tears, Twists & Trust Issues!

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

The baby boys are back with another dose of Survivor News! Join @BriceIzyah, @WendellHolland, and @JackAtkins21 as they dive into all the twists and turns of Survivor 48 Episode 5. Emotions run high as Jeff gets choked up at the immunity challenge, alliances start shifting in unexpected ways, and the strategic gameplay is reaching new levels. Plus, one castaway opens up in a heartfelt moment that has everyone feeling the feels. You already know we’re breaking it all down—so grab your buffs and tune in!

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I don't want to say I'm super excited because I feel like I've been rewatching the videos and I say that a lot. I am ecstatic to be with the baby boys. I will not introduce him as the first Merge Booth, but a former host of the Beach Cabana Royale, Wendyzy. How you feelin'? What's going on? So, okay, you want to go there before we introduce Jack?

Cause we could go there. We can divert. We can divert. No, no, no, no, no, no. I said, I asked you what's going on. That's it. Wendy Z is being funny and we can go there. Cause I have a little time when DZ had a little

housewarming or not a housewarming a little. Sorry pause you Jack because now we got to address another beef. So when DZ had a little house little thing at his house. I had a place like barbecue. Yeah and Jack I wasn't feeling 1000% myself. You know just personal things going on and so like I don't want to be the center of attention. I just want to come in and be like, hey, deliver what I have to give.

And so when I walked in, I happened to be the center of attention, not any fault of my best friend who was showing me love and like hyping me up. But there's this internal dilemma of like, I'm not feeling great. I don't feel like being like, ah! And then I met with Wendyzy. And so like, I just gave a little, hey, what's going on? And so Wendyzy always interprets that as like shade, but it really wasn't that.

But I can take accountability and I do apologize. So, you know, so you know. Okay. There we are. It sounds like that first day of school when you're a kid and you're a little nervous, your mom's like, yo, oh my God, Jackie looks so handsome. We gotta take, and you're like, mom, stop,

you're embarrassing me. That's kind of the idea. Right, I just wanted to slide and like be invisible for 2.3 seconds. So I think that's an interesting side. I guess. So we're we're only allowed to hear one side of the story. So no, I mean, are you talking? Oh, I well, we got Jack's take. So I thought that it was over.

No, that's normally how it is a beef that I'm not in. So what do you got to say? The only thing I'll say is this. Bryce decided to mosey in at whatever time he wanted to. Other people let me know that they were running a little late. Joey Hatch pulls in with three trays, devil's eggs, potato salad, homemade, all of it by his mom. He rolls up. I have the camera out.

I'm like, what up, Hatch? What you got? He's like, oh, I got the devil's eggs. You know, me and C cooked up some potato salad. I'm like, can't wait to eat it. Tough act to follow. James Jones pulls up with the marinating octopus with a tomahawk steak with some ribeye, with some other steak, with some ribs.

I'm like, James, what you got? What you got? He's like, you know, something light. I got the ribs. I got the tomahawk. I've been marinating this octopus and all that. I'm like, oh, okay. Tough act to follow. Brandon Cotton pulls up with oyster,

gigantic oysters that he got from wherever downtown. And he's like, yeah, I'm a shuck them and then we're gonna put this custom sauce that I've been making today. Then we're throwing it on the grill. You never had oysters Wendell, so you could try it. I'm like, oh, OK. So then my best friend pulls up last, you know, not to be outdone.

I'm like, Bryce Isaiah, what up, what up? He walks by me like, hi, puts his head down, walks by me. So I'm like. Here I go, I did something wrong again that I don't know about that I'm not being told about received and I just understood the type of time Bryce Isaiah was on and I received that. I didn't ask him no more questions. I just kept it moving. Then if you were to check my Instagram last night, it was heavy on the other guys. And then I had a quick clip over Bryce's shoulder when he was cooking because I didn't want to bother him or show him that I was recording him.

And that was that. So that was, that was the story. Fair enough. Sounds like Bryce owns it wasn't his, his best day. Yeah. Okay. Let me just be quiet. Okay.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I can't be Bryce Isaiah all the time. And yeah, but let's welcome back to the podcast, Jack Atkins from the Circle season two and also the man, the myth who has a movie that's getting ready to come out. And he posted some dope imagery to his Instagram this week that looks like a blockbuster hit. Thank you. How you feeling?

I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. I'm really excited. There's a lot to talk about. This season has been delivering. I think this pre-emerge gave us what we needed. And the last three weeks, especially, I've been just like ready to talk about so much stuff.

I feel like my beef has started to cool off a little bit so I can come in just mostly focused on Survivor. Has it? For the most part. Look, last week was tumultuous. And I gotta give a quick shout out to the Posse, the Survivor News fans, and especially the Jack Shack. I read all the comments last week. I was feeling nervous and you guys showed a lot of love. So all jokes aside with the beef, I really appreciate everyone who showed me some love in the comments. Help me feel, you know, it just made me feel good that I was appreciated and that people understood my side of things.

So that that that picked me back up from, you know, I was on the bottom, but now we're back up. So shout out to the Jack Shack and I'm ready to hit this episode and just get into it. Yeah. Well, another thing that's been heating up outside of me and Wendy's beef and your beef jack is the Bryce and Wynn. Oh, BWP 48. We took a week off and we are headed to Chicago next week.

And listen, I said I was going to Chicago, my man, my man, not Austin, but Ozzy said, you going to Chicago without me? We need some updated photos. I said, wait a minute Ozzy. What kind of photos? I don't even have any britches on. I don't even know what to change.

So we will be in Chicago next week. Tickets are I mean, when DZ, do you want to report? Because I mean, I feel like Chicago is this close to selling out. And before when DZ even says anything, when I say when DZ, Ozzy coming, when DZ calls me and says, hey, I don't know, I bring a friend. Who's your friend? Do you need to change your britches in the wind in? We in the wind and don't need to change our britches. But yeah, I got a friend coming too, and that will be a surprise.

OK, so tickets are available. There are only a slim left. So head to Bryce and when.com after that, we're heading to Austin. And again, I get another phone call from Wendy's because hello. No, I get another phone call from Wendy's. Hey, how you doing? Hey, I'm out because now we hey, hey, hey. Hey, what's up, Bryce? Did you also send that to the phone?

So time out. Because now we got to go back to the first part of this by, because as much as I do want to like disagree with Wendell Jack, he sends me a video because he was recording my intro. Now, mind you, I just want to say the video is disgusting. However, in my mind, that's not what I was giving, right? Like I just wanted to be like a fly on the wall. So, with Deezzy, is it wrong?

It is what it's like. So, if you standing in the corner like. No, it's like, when they're like, oh my God, is that Bryce coming up? We got Bryce, there go Bryce. And Bryce was like. Now, I was literally like, oh my God, is that Bryce coming up? We got Bryce, there go Bryce. And Bryce was like. Now I was literally like, hi. Hi.

But like. Where's James Jones octopus? Whoa. That sounded like a lot of the comments that James Jones was giving. But then I get another call, Jack from Wendy's. Bring. Bring. another call Jack from Wendy's. E bring bring bring. Hello.

Her. Is it you that's confirming all these people for Austin? I said, now wait a minute, what you talking about? OK, I mean, it's I mean, first time in Austin minute, what you talking about? Okay, I mean, it's, I mean, first time at Austin and I'm not talking Austin, I'm talking Austin. Oh my word. Oh my God. Jack, that one was egregious.

That's crazy. That one is grounds for termination. Ah! Oh my goodness. So I was quick. I got to give it to you. You're always quick when you're in Austin. Oh, I got to change my brochures. Texas, that is our first time in Austin, Texas, is shaping to be to be a grand slam.

To be a dugout. OK, OK. Grand slam was great. And then you went dugout. He wanted to get even more egregious, more innuendo-y. Austin is gonna be one of those special stops. I think I'm gonna be there too, so. You're gonna be there, right, Jack?

I gotta book my flight, but that's the plan. All right, they're gonna be there. Let's go. Austin is looking amazing. After Austin, we still have Philadelphia, we still have Boston, we still have DC, we still have the grand finale that is New York. And we have a new location.

I feel like we were talking about it before, but the new location is sexy, It's grown. It's it's amazing. And if this episode five was any indication about how this episode is going to end, you do not want to miss it again. Head over to Bryce and when dot com and secure your tickets before we get into the episode, I know Jack said he was beef free. He feel I feel like and I don't want to put any words into your mouth, Jack. But we do got to address from the last episode. Mary came out.

She hadn't been sleeping for 72 hours. She threw some glasses on. Her cat was on her lap. Oh, no. She threw some glasses on her cat was on her lap. Parapar. Oh, no. Our cat was paring. Our cat. Yo, because of me, I did not.

I mean, if you watched the video and Jack and Mary had to say, Jack, I never said I overreacted and absolutely put words in her mouth. You just want to clear something before we go forward and just know that Mary's missionaries is listening. Yeah. Mercenaries. What are they? Missionaries. Mary's missionaries.

Oh, missionaries, okay. Yes, stop. You, you, you, you, but it's, yeah, you are wrong. Okay, Mary, listen. Oh, that's it, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no, Jack, no! Oh, no! Oh, no!

Get him out of here! You gotta access! You're gonna get the pod canceled! Jack came out firing already! Oh my God! Get him out of here! Jack!

The podcast can't take it. No, no, it's clear to me that it's, I think me and Mary's beef is all in good fun now. And if you watch the video, it was clear that she was clearly being like, not to put words in her mouth. She was having fun with it. She was, she was like, She was like, overreact? Or like admit to overreacting? Never.

Overreact? Yes. So I think she was having fun with it. I mean, literally, like, I don't think anyone should be taking this seriously. But when I commented on- So now Mary is not serious? No, no, nobody else should be taking this seriously. But when I commented on that situation, I said not to put words in her mouth, which clearly means I'm not directly quoting.

I'm just recalling what I remember. So I wasn't putting words. So I was not trying to put words in her mouth. Are you doubling down? Also, wait, I got to be careful because there was somebody in the comments saying, I'm getting sick of Wendell and Bryce cutting Jack off. Now I was like, now how can Wendell and Bryce cut Jack off if Wendell don't speak?

I'm asleep the whole pod, first of all. I don't feel like you guys cut, I feel like I talk way too much. I don't think you guys cut me off. For eight minutes. Exactly. Well, I had a lot to say that last episode, but look, as far as the last few weeks have gone,

this little Mary situation is- Now she little. Now she, not this little Mary. This little Mary. The situation is a little, and I'll go on with your glasses down. Me and Mary are about to come beat you guys up. You guys are stirring the pot more than I know smoke with Mary. Mary and

about to beat me up. Mary clearing about a team up and take over. And I and I and put me on the record, this episode, Mary was a dog in those challenges, so. Oh, not a female dog? Is that what you are referring to Mary as, Jack? You know what? What is wrong with you, Bryce? It is, yeah, and do you wanna know one of the reasons,

Wendell, why Mary was killing it in the challenge this week? Yeah, Mary was going after that ball that looked like Jack Atkins. And let's be clear, I don't want no smoke from Mary because they call me Sister Mary Clarence in the Mary's Missionary. OK, I serve the homeless. I give to the people. OK. Hmm. But no, shout out to Mary. Shout out to say we appreciate them listening. And, you know, sometimes getting our baby boy back. But oh, you want to hear something else regarding beef? Oh, oh.

And it's it's but I might have run into say at a function on Friday night and I think we had a good conversation. So, you know. Tell us more. Hey, we kind of said, we'll save the beef for the podcast, whatever. But we both kind of agreed, you know, we've heard each other are good people.

So it's just not that, it's not that, she said people had told her I was cool. So we'll take it. So it was, I think at this point, it's all in good spirited fun. So. But real quick though, Jack, when you were at said party, were you there and Say walked in or you were there

and when you walked in, you saw Say? The latter. When I walked up, I saw a squad of people. I was like, oh, it's sad. I hope I don't get kicked out. Were you nervous? I wanna know, like, what were you thinking? I was a little nervous,

because the last I'd heard from Say, she didn't seem too happy with me, but she was very mature. We had a nice, we gave each other a little, little back and forth, but we had a good, like not in a negative way. We just had a good little exchange. And I'm sure we'll both continue to speak our minds on the developments of the season. But I think person to person, we're all good. So no beef was said in that.

I like that, Jack. And I don't mean to inherit any beef. And I'm not asking for any beef. I'm a preemptively put my shades on. And Bryce, you can do the same. OK. I only had one interaction with say. And that was at. Our event.

And when I walk in and this is why and this is why I don't say nothing about saying it, because I don't want no smoke, because the smoke was already delivered, hand delivered to me. But I said something like, what's up, Queen? Welcome to the family. She said, Wendell, I watched your season, talking about season 40, and I thought you were a jerk.

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I just wanted to report on that previous smoke. It was a smoke because I received it and I kept it moving. Did she lie? Wait, but, but Wendell. How can she say all that? She wasn't even there. She doesn't know what happened.

It was a figment of my imagination. Well, that say, sounds like a smart and talented and well-respected and articulate queen. I'd love to meet somebody like that one day. an articulate queen. I'd love to meet somebody like that one day. But okay, and listen for the, window don't be in the comments, Jack, but Jack, for our comment people, let me wait 19 minutes,

Mark, we're gonna start the episode. Okay. I got it. I love, I do love that we give the people in the comments that, but when you say it, when we're already 19 minutes in, it doesn't really help anything. So we need to start the pod and let them know,

hey, you need a table of contents. Put it in the comments. Put it in the comments. And remember, we're doing it in the comments every week. We appreciate you, because it's kind of a joke, but it's honestly very helpful. I absolutely do. And we appreciate the Jack Shack that has been in the comments.

But listen, we have an episode to get into a lot of thoughts. I also feel like now I want to, you know, toot my own horn, toot, toot. But I feel like I've been saying a lot about a character and I feel like what I've been saying about this character has been deliberate, so. With throwing down, elaborate. I'm talking about Godfather Cedric. I feel like he is this person that no one seems to look at as a threat.

Why has his accent changed so much? It's been a tough week. And I feel like to quote a wise man named James Jones, your threat level in the game matters. And because Uncle Sedy doesn't perform to a Jack Hawkins level of athletics, right? I've never said that. It lowers his threat level.

However, Uncle Sedy is playing the game and he is making moves. And we see people feel comfortable to come to him and tell him their deep dark secrets and hoping that he would entrust it. But Uncle Cedi. Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh. I'm just saying, like, Uncle, I've been saying this the whole time. Uncle Cedric, his arc is interesting. He is been at the bottom a lot.

He is what I would call a tribal council OG. He's a doctor. He takes information in and like he delivers. And I just feel like after this episode, I'm sad that the shot that he delivered was hit with my queen, but I'm just saying like, Setti ain't playing it. And I really feel like this episode makes me look at Setti like Setti a killer.

And if Setti gets to the end, boy oh boy, does he have a dissertation to deliver. That's all I'm saying. Good. Good dissertation use right there. I got to say, right? Thank you. That's a lot. Right. He's he's getting a lot of a lot of he's earning a lot of stripes early in the game.

That's what you're saying. But not like it. He is. But they aren't like the typical all big survivor move games like it's like he is, but they aren't like the typical, oh, big survivor move games. It's like he's surviving. He took a shot at Sey twice. And then when it came down to it, he kept her, he's like working, he's built clearly. And again, we can talk about it when we talk about it.

Clearly he's building bonds with Chrissy. Like I'm just saying, like he's a bonds with Chrissy. Like, I'm just saying, like, he's a silent killer. Like, uh... Killer. I put, I put Luigi, that guy from New York on the city. I put Luigi and Cedric in the same category because I'm just saying, like, it... Isol isolated incidents,

you don't take a lot of it, but you put all that together in his dissertation. That's all I'm saying. And I'm happy to jump into this whole vote out because there's a lot, I feel like it's a situation we haven't really seen a lot of before, and there's a lot to unpack. And I think there's three lot of something I feel like it's a situation we haven't really seen a lot of before and there's a lot to unpack and I think there's three perspectives we want we should unpack which is Cedric's, Bianca's and Chrissy's but I like that we started with Cedric because

he's the pivotal decision maker here. I don't know it's really interesting because I think that hey I've seen online that Cedric has apparently been like the least popular player on the season. I don't really get it. Like I like Cedric as a guy. Like he's clearly just a great authentic guy. Obviously sometimes his gameplay. I won't even say it's like it's just a little all over the place.

Not necessarily. What's up? His game is his game. Yeah, yeah. And there's like, I don't not all of his decision making makes sense, but there hasn't been anything like you. I'm not I think not not to me just the general like you look online. A lot of people like what is Cedric thinking?

So I'm West Coast. This is this is both. And that's not me post signing that either. I mean, obviously, I disagree with his handling of the Justin vote out a little bit, but I think there's a lot, I think people had a lot to say about this vote out, but I think there's a lot to unpack. And I feel like there's a lot of reasons

why it was a good move by Cedric. But I guess the baseline of it is, do you think Cedric flipping this vote on Bianca was a good move for Cedric? flipping this vote on Bianca was a good move for Cedric. I say yes, although because we see Say talking to Bianca, we see Say like not the happiest with the Cedric, right? And because he essentially has shown Say that like, hey, you're disposable, essentially, right?

And so Say receiving that, it's like, why do I continue to work with him? But also from Cedric's perspective, like who are you closer with? Say, Bianca bringing that information to you and you keeping a Bianca over a say, whether a say doesn't really agree with you, I still feel like there has to be something like,

wow, like I'm still here because of a, because of a Seddy also, but take, say out of it. I think for me, the bigger move was him to get Chrissy like in on it. And seeing the Chrissy vote really said a lot to me that I was like, okay, Seddy's working his magic, right? Like he's doing the slow and in game. We see Cedric working with a Mitch.

Like I just feel like Cedric is that unassuming threat that's like, hey, I'm here, I'm a number. But really it's like he's in a position of power or when he's put into a position of power, he makes bold moves. And so whether he wins or not, I'm just saying like, I think what he has done thus far is pretty impressive considering respectfully. When we first seen him, he couldn't get up the wall. And so I'm just, I say that to say that like normal tribes would use that

as a point of weakness to say we got to get the week out. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so he's been able to, some would say he got up the wall of his tribe. And I'm just saying I find it impressive, impressive, because I'll be honest. And I saw Uncle said, I was like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, you know, but I feel like every week on this podcast, I'm bigging upset.

So I just feel like there's a lot to Uncle Said. Wanda, what do you think? I am curious as to what the conversations looked like. His conversations specifically with Chrissy, because, and what the pitch was, and was it a simple, hey, she's got a, she doesn't have a vote, let's get her and let the other people do what they're doing?

Like Cedric was in a position, because his vote would have, he could have gone with Say, he could have gone with Chrissy against Bianca, he could have gone, what? I guess Mitch was voting for, was it Say same? Yeah so he had all the power and he knew where all the votes were going so he could have picked picked any of those three off or those four off those three three off and the question and the question um and the question is what makes him decide to go for Bianca as opposed to these

other things. Now, if you have a say and a Mitch, Mitch was going for say, say it was going for Chris, Chrissy. Chrissy. Yes. Right. So now it's like, you make a bond with Chrissy. So say should still be mad. Say should be, if she was mad at Cedric for voting for her, now she's mad at Mitch for voting for her. So he could still kind of nurture that, I guess, and say that he saved her twice now. But from my perspective, say is the kind of person it,

according to her confessionals, she's not 100% was said. Like she's not locked in with him. Although it looks like he likes that bond, right? Like it's like he thinks that because he did save her that they're good, right? I don't know because we clearly see Say voting for Chrissy, and I would imagine she would only be voting for Chrissy if she thought she had a say. So this again could be another deception by Cedric to her. Yeah. So I think I don't I think that I think that Say is going to

I think that Say could be the downfall of Cedric's game. I think she would be willing to go against him at her first opportunity. And then I think, well, yeah, so that's what I got right now. So yeah, I have a lot of thoughts on it. I think on paper, I'm not mad at Cedric for this. Like, look, if he thinks Say is his number one,

and he potentially has a better bond with Chrissy than with the Bianca, then maybe moving forward that group on paper just as people that you're close with is good and he sees this opportunity to get rid of Bianca and facilitates it successfully. The couple issues that I have with it are, obviously, Chrissy, I'd say, seems like a pretty genuine, like, open book.

And so I feel like what she says is kind of what she's gonna do. And so, but I think when he flips his vote to Bianca, he now leaves a world open where Chrissy and Mitch can just vote for Say and then Say goes home. So there's a chance you just throw your vote away. Now, I'm guessing in a conversation with Chrissy, that seems like I feel like Chrissy kind of,

like I said, tells it out is she was probably like, I'm down and then whatever. I think the bigger issue here is that I kind of agree with Wendell. I think that this putting his eggs, like Bianca has just lost her number one. She's coming to Cedric with a lot of information, seeming like she really wants to work with Cedric and Cedric decides to put his eggs in the say, Chrissy, and then maybe Mitch. That we don't really know if Mitch was clued in on this or not. Because he might maybe he knew

and this was like a split vote or maybe he didn't know and he just voted said. I just worry for Cedric that to be honest that the say, Chrissy, whatever group going into a merge is not the group that you're going to be able to really fire on all cylinders with. I think we're going to take out a say, maybe now you have a good relationship with Bianca and with Chrissy and with Mitch and you're unified to some extent. I think that could open up options a little bit more

for Cedric going forward. And so I understand him seeing, if you view Say as his number one, shouldn't, you don't have to just vote Say, like make a move like he did, but- We don't know that. I just think No Say should be his number one. So we don't know if Say's his number one.

I also look at it from a perspective of, we saw Chrissy say to us, the viewers, like, before I got on this beach in this new tribe, Mitch wasn't talking to me at all. But we saw Chrissy saying, hey, I'm willing to put my differences aside with Mitch to move forward, right? So there's one thing.

Also, we saw Chrissy was very leery of Bianca because of her connections to that very, very, very, very strong tribe. So I also think Cedric looking at, wow, if Bianca's number one and Thomas went home, then that weakens that already strong tribe. Does it not make it even more sense to less weaken them even more with getting rid of Bianca because we know that if we would got together, they'd be a voting block.

And so I think on that front, it's a very smart move. Thomas is already gone now. So they wouldn't really be a voting block. And so if with Thomas gone, now Bianca is gone. So now that cuts in more deep, that kind of like, right. So I'm saying it opens his options up to say, hey, say I've saved you twice.

Are you working with me? But now it opens him up to a Chrissy. And I feel like we know Chrissy hasn't really been working with Mitch. We know that him and Mitch have a great relationship. He's shared with Mitch about his stuttering. They bonded over that. So it's like I'm saying that, like, I feel like the Bianca move might have

put him in a position where it's like, if we merge, I now have a say. I now have a Mary. I now have a Chrissy wherever Chrissy, whoever Chrissy got over there. Like it. But I know what you mean, because if Cedric really looks at this group and thinks Bianca is the person that I'm least close to then I think it's really valid for him to say let me target Bianca obviously. I think the issue is and maybe this isn't even something he can factor in or control at the time.

But I just worry going into a merge where his people are like, Say and Chrissy. He only has two, like he only has two. So it's like, that's what I'm saying. I just think there's a world, knowing that Bianca seemed to wanna work with him, if you can unify with Bianca and with Mitch and with Chrissy and just have a unanimous vote

and have like a voting block going into the merge. I think he'd maybe be in a little bit better shape than if now Say, he's with Say and Chrissy and Mitch, but it's like maybe Mitch didn't even know about this vote, so maybe they're really not close. Maybe Say like didn't really know about this vote and then so she still doesn't really trust Cedric. I also don't think like that's Say and Chrissy are going are gonna be the best people to be tied to at this merge. They don't seem to have a lot of footing with the general group. And so I feel like Bianca of this tribe

might actually be the best person to partner up with going into a merge. And then you can maybe hitch your wagon to the Loggied squad and target the Sivas. But again, I don't think this, I totally see where SED was coming from. So I don't think this is by any means like a blatantly bad move. I just, I do think like, I don't know. I don't know.

I think there's a lot of like, it could work out. It might not like. Is there a world where SED receives this information from Bianca and in his head, he's like, maybe she's trying to play me. Maybe maybe she does have a vote she's trying to manipulate my vote any which way or towards say right now because I think that in that case him he would know that him and Chrissy voting for her might not work because if she had things up right potentially but then I guess on the revote, it would be, yeah, I guess Cedric and it would have to be Cedric and say that would vote or no, it would depend on the vote. Shake

out, I guess, because it would be probably to Bianca to say, yeah, then don't we, don't we think that Chrissy and like I said, and Chrissy could just revoke Bianca. But also, but said again, I think I'm missing a point. And maybe this is already overstated. Cedric is in his pivotal position. He's telling say, I know where you I know where we vote in. You tell him, Mitch, we vote in, say, like. And so in order for this plan to work, Seg has to tell Mitch, I'm voting Seg. Seg has to tell Seg, I'm voting Chrissy,

so that they essentially watch their vote at him. So it's like, again. He executed it really well, for sure. But it's just the question, I'm not questioning that. The question is whether it's the move he should have done. But it's the first two. I'm not questioning that. The question is whether it's the movie should have done, you know. But it's the first like two to one to one vote, I think, other than like the final four or whatever. But Bryce, if you're said who what's your best who

who do you vote out? What's your best play? So here this is where I feel like said's move is great. Right. Sure. I'm sure it probably makes Mitch a little mad. We already know Say's going to be pissed off, but like it doesn't shut the door on any of them. Right. And although I love Bianca, Bianca was a queen. She's robbed in this situation. It doesn't completely close the door from him not working with them. I'm not working with him, but he keeps Bianca though, who is he shutting the door on? Nobody would be shutting the door on. They're going home.

Well, but his. Yeah, his torch would be it. I feel like him. What was the question? Like who in his shoes? Because I don't think we're questioning that he had the control here and executed it well. But I guess we're asking, like, if you're him,

who do you actually think you should have voted out? And the answer could be Bianca, but it could be somebody else. I don't know, because it's, again, if he goes with them and votes out Sey, then regardless of we know Sey and his relationship is complicated, but he at the end of the day, when it all falls down, oh, any of, I'm only singing Selena Johnson's part, but like at the end of the day, I feel like if he needed to count on say he could, but I don't know. I don't know either, right? Because it's a lot.

But also I do just want to take this time to say that. Can we give a shout out to the baby boy Mitch? Because when I was watching this episode and when I allegedly got cussed out by Mitch, when he said, I would have thought my three point shot from two quarts away with my eyes closed and on one foot would deserve a mention on the podcast. But maybe not. Mitch has been cooking.

Mitch has been cooking. I just have to say, I was sitting next to James Jones at Wendell's house yesterday, and Dory, at this point in time in the evening, Jack, my demeanor, I was opened up, I was talking, I just, I had a rough little moment. Okay, whatever. And what did James Jones say? So James was like, Mitch, whatever. What did James Jones say? So James was like, Mitch don't, okay.

Also, James a little annoying. James was like, Mitch don't miss. Mitch don't miss. And mind you, of course, every time they are showing Mitch, he's like, and James was like, Mitch, right in my ear. Like literally right in my ear. But mind you, Mitch don't miss. And like, I was like, oh my God, like literally right in my ear. But mind you, like, Mitch don't miss. And like, I was like, oh my God, he right.

Then when we got to the challenge of the boat, and it's Chrissy, say, it's said, holding on to the side of the boat, and Mitch is the only one pulling the boat. Like, I was like, wow, Mitch, like, maybe I just, there was so much else going on, but I just want like tip my hat off to Mitchie boy because he really is the full package, right?

Like he is conniving in the best way of working with people, not like, you know what I mean? Like he is conniving in the best way of working with people not like, you know what I mean? Like you with him or you against him. That's how I like it. Also, he has the charisma. He is shooting, he's athletic. Like people get along with him. He has a story.

He's interesting. I just wanna just give a little shout out to the baby boy Mitch because he really has been killing it. And if my ear is still ringing, Mitch doesn't miss. Yeah, we don't and we don't want no smoke with Mitch either because I was listening to the know it all and apparently he has commented on them in the fishy award. So he said, do y'all want to hear it?

Tell me also, shout out to the, uh, the know what else it is. Who is Phil's cohost? Oh, that's the specialist. That's the survive. The know it all is, is Rob and Steven. My bad. I'll do them both and to Mitch. Hey, I'll let the record show.

I said Mitch was on his Kobe Bryant for several episodes. Okay. Well, now that we know. I don't know why we hit Bryce with a question, he was like, I don't really know, but you know, it's shouting to Mitch. What was the question you hit me with? No, I answered the question. Who Cedric should have voted out, but it's about like, there's no, there's no good answer for that.

Yeah. Am I laggy? No, you're not. Yeah, you're good. But so now that we're, you know, we're talking through this tribal. So hold on, wait, time out. Respectfully, no pause to Jack.

I'm not cutting Jack off. Wait, what was Mitch saying? Oh, you wanted to hear the no one else. Okay. Hold on, wait, time out. But Jack, is that okay if we proceed? Can we please? Yeah, it sounds like me and Mitch have the same people.

So we'll put a pin in it and we'll revisit that question just so that we can. Yeah, no, I want it here. You better take control, Wendyzy. You know what I did today? Since y'all said I fell asleep last pod, it happens to be like almost 7 p.m. right now, but your boy is.

Wow. It looks half water down though. I literally saw the water. Hold it back up, it looks half water down. Like I literally saw the water, hold it back up. It looks half ice and that's the nastiest. Yuck. Can you see the water, Jack? Listen. I got the same thing going on.

I mean, that's what happens when you have an iced coffee. You gotta get to the bottom. I didn't say something. Oh man. What did Mitch say? Okay. So I think that Mitch had smoked for the Know It All's essentially saying that the fishy award.

Ooh, the little fishy? Goes to like the best loser or something. I'm not putting words in anybody's mouth because, all right, you know what? I'll get ready. I'm not putting words in anybody's mouth. But when I was listening to the No It All this morning, I think that essentially what they were saying

was that Mitch came at them because, because a fishy is given to someone. Mitch is out here looking like Steph Curry. You know what I'm saying? Mitch is Mitch Curry. You know, he didn't get a fishy, but you give it to someone that goes to tribal and makes a move at tribal.

It's like, yo, he said the fishies are going to the biggest loser. Well, so I agree with Mitch, but I mean, to be fair, like the tribal is the place where you can showcase some strategic gameplay and really your social abilities coming to fruition. So it's hard to judge. I mean, Mitch has been doing well, but it's hard to judge

when someone hasn't really gone to tribal, like just cause we see like a couple of scenes of them at camp getting along with people, that's usually not fishy worthy. It's- Are you coming from Mitch right now? Oh. Not at all, not at all.

I'm agreeing. Mitch, Jack Atkins. I've had Mitch's back more than anyone. Mitch. Jack Atkins. I've had Mitch's back more than anyone. And Mitch. And he should know I'm not gonna be the first one

to rush and know it all. I'll give you his number and I want you to- Y'all gotta relax. Y'all are such instigators. You guys are such instigators. No, no, Mitch is right that it is going to the people that are losing, but it's going to the people that are losing because they're the ones that have just the opportunity to do more.

Two things can be true though, right? Exactly. A lot could be happening at camp that you could be dodging and connecting and making moves, but it is a 90 minute show and the pinnacle of the episode sometimes hinges on tribal council. So like those sometimes, so I get that.

Well, it's just hard to be like, OK, fishy for the person who's just like getting along with people at camp for the two scenes that we see versus whoever's like dictating the vote. Like usually the person that dictates the vote is going to be the one that gets the. Look, I'm a Steven. Listen, it's true. But here on Survivor News, we have. The British Award, okay?

That's what I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask, what is our version? Whoever picks Bryce, have to change his britchers, wins his old pet. Who gets Bryce's britchers? These britchers this week go to Mitchell Ball, from LaMelo Ball, you know? because Mitch has been killing it challenge wise and shout out to Mitchell.

Okay, that's my new affectionate name for Mitch. Because he has really been killing it. The Bryce's Britishers is that's what it is. The Britishers. The Britisher award. Yeah, I mean, yeah, to be fair, like Rob C and Steven, I don't think are giving it to the most the biggest athletes, you know, they're analyzing the gameplay a little bit more.

And that's just taking place more at the Tribal, not, you know, I'm not even trying to dig myself. I've been a Mitch fan since day one, so I'm with Mitch. Mitch and I have beef with all the same people. Ooh, chow. The enemy of my enemies, my friend. Oh, great. Now, let's get into the meat and potatoes of this episode.

Let's, can we talk Eva and Joe in this whole moment that happened during the immunity challenge, which I also thought was a great immunity challenge and kudos to Survivor or the producers for making everybody have to complete the pinball. I absolutely love that because I feel like it's one of those equalizers, where it's like you could have somebody

super, super athletic and then like, you'll have to have somebody like a jack on your Shack that has to complete it at the end and they might struggle with it. So I feel like it's like a complete equalizer But I I like that I did like that I'm sorry to interrupt Can we, I'm sorry to interrupt. No, if you talk, go ahead. Cause there was one note that I had and it was, and this could kind of get us into the moment,

but it was when Say was doing the challenge and her and Jeff were yapping a little. And when Jeff was like, Jeff was like, something to the effect of like, Say can feel the pressure or something like that. And it's like, I don't feel no pressure, Jeff. Right. You're loud and wrong. Jack, why would you want this again? I wasn't going there. Jeff. Wait, wait. That's not even a dig. That's that's in the line of what you're saying to Jeff. It doesn't necessarily have to be wrong. Maybe she didn't feel no pressure.

She was chilling. I didn't say she was wrong. I'm saying you're telling her she's saying to Jeff to chill out. Yeah. What do you mean? That was, you guys are, everything I say, you guys are trying to interpret it as beef.

And it's not even, it's all good fun. You're a beef restaurant. How was it a church at say at all? Now, if anybody should have beat, now if I'm doing a thing, and Jeff, and I don't feel no pressure, and Jeff, Jeffrey claps back. Well, you should. I'm dropping.

Hold on, I'm dropping. Wait. Square up, Jeff. Right. Hold on. Hey, narrate me, Wendell. Bryce really feeling the pressure? I feels no pressure.

Well, you should. Don't just set up, Jeff. Don't! Why? Because, Jeff! Why? He's clapping back. He's clapping back. This not on fire, like you on the set. Aren't you neutral?

So my thing is this, what I wanted to go to with this interaction because then Say swaps out or at least according to the edit it looks like Say swaps out and then at the end the edit. It looks like say swaps out. And then at the end of the game is between her and Eva. And ultimately, Eva finishes before say. So it's like when you're talking back to Jeff, like it's great. Like I have a good time talking to Jeff.

And when it happens, and you lose, that's going in the show. FYI, like, if you're yapping to Jeff and you don't complete the task, which happened with me, that is going to air for sure. So do you have Jeff's number? Yes. You see how he tried to insert that in without inserting. I have a good time when I talk to Jeff. Okay, yes, we know you talk to Jeff.

That's not gonna do it. No, because I know Wendell. That is a reach. No, no. Isaiah, you are reaching. I said when you're talking to Jeff, literally in a challenge. And you said I have a good time talking with Jeff. Like in the challenge.

Yeah, but no, but like that's not what he meant though. Like I just know I'm literally talking about talking trash in a challenge Now okay The only thing I wanted to say I was comparing myself to this thing It's Wendell Holland. I drank coffee today so I can talk, but you know what? Clearly, I don't have my place on this podcast because I need to go back to going

to take my naps on the pod. No, no, no, keep going. Okay, I'll keep going, thank you, Jack. I'm appreciated by somebody. You don't wanna clip your nails? I was, you know what I was doing? I was lotioning my calves just now, okay? Also, this is- That's what I was doing.

This is off the wall, but Jack, do you know what's under, like, what we can't see? Window has this weird foot massager thing like why do it? Right, right You get you keep the feet. Yeah Some of the pocket you're doing a massage you're putting on you do your bedtime routine kinds of lotions now Now, that's that.

Oh, wait, what is that? I'm sorry. What's in your hand? Huh? What's in your what? What's in that hand? OK, so we have ultimate strength hand sound. This is my kills. I have one. I'm a classic window.

We're not jerking Jack's chicken. Don't bring me in with these lotions and. Moisturizer are not for any of that stuff. Why are they had empty? Because we've done your 500 podcast. You know what? I'm trying to put you all on the game to let you all know. Wait, Jack, don't Jack.

What you got? What are you about to pull out? We got, oh my God. Whoa! Oh! Oh! What? Keep your lips, my lips are fast.

What brand is that, Jack? Whoa, my lips are wet. What brand is that, Jack? Whoa, I just know it's Jack. It's just Walgreens. Jack, open it up. Wendell, you just showed 37 different lotions. No, Jack, open the top. Put less lettuce.

Whoa! Whoa! He's digging deep. It's not even that, it's right there. Oh, it's right here. How are y'all gonna give me? Now, window, wait a minute. Window, open it up.

Open it up. You can see through that. That's the bottom. What do you think? What about this one? What about this one? Hey, you got two of them. That's more suspect than you have.

You'll find another one of these right there. I have a Vaseline container everywhere I sit. Wait, so how am I catching smoke for having my own? Y'all this. This is what I mean. When you guys find any reason to give me shit. I got the most Vaseline on deck, gently used. What is happening?

Don't get me started. We got some cheese on there in the party. Oh my God, let me see that. Let me see that, Jack. Can somebody please clip that? Please? For radiant skin. Not to be outdone.

Oh. Is that what they use in the wind then? What in the jerk chicken is going on? I don't know how we got here. We all are disgusting. So Eva and Joe, I mean, what a moment. That is a hard seg way. Yeah.

So Seg gets beat by Eva, despite the yapping with Jeff. Eva is having an episode and Trying to lock in and complete this it was difficult for her during the challenge. So they skipped her They let the other people complete it and now she's trying to lock in and complete it while having an episode So I think a little different. I don't think she had the episode just yet. She was struggling and, you know, struggling, pushing through. It is when she won and she was filled with like so many emotions that she was so excited

that she then had an episode and it was emotional Emotional and tough to watch, right, because like as we're watching this episode, we're like us as the viewers, we know what's going on with Eva, like we know, like how she says it's hard to control a lot of different things. And so we know that she could be struggling. We see Joe on the other side looking like he ready to just run over there, but he's controlling himself. And then it's like when we see evil win, right, it's like it's a win for all of us. Like we are just like so excited.

Like she pushed through, she did it. And again, it's. The show survivor is not just the show, it's really. You can do anything, right? And if Eva is not proof of that, I don't know what is. And so Eva gets so emotional that she starts to have an episode. And one thing that I do just want to point out, Star was consoling her, right?

Like Star stepped up and like they don't, you know, up until this point, they don't have the best relationship. But like we see Star being like, hey, I'm a human. Like, clearly, I'm not sure what's happening. But like immediately you see Star kind of like trying to embrace her and we see it kind of gets to a point and Jeff says, hey, Joe, do you want to go over there and hug Eva?

And this is kind of interesting. I'm sure to everyone that is watching, like what's happening. But in that moment, just seeing Joe, watching like what's happening. But in that moment, just seeing Joe. Just be the big brother, the father, like the protector, the rock, the rock of like comfort to Eva in that moment was. And it even seemed like he had all the right language at the moment, too.

Like he was telling her to like, come down, I got you. Breathe. It just seemed like he was so locked into to bringing her back down at that moment. I was like, man, there couldn't be a more perfect person on the island to do that. And like you said, Star was hugging her. Her tribe was hugging her. I think was Charity hugging her also? I think I saw people, they were around her, but when Joe did it, because she knows that he knows, he had this ability to really bring her down.

Yeah. And I'm sure when everyone else, especially when they don't know, is hugging her, maybe that was a little bit overstimulating to in a way. So having Joe that one on one connection, I mean, it was beautiful. I mean, Joe is just like the man. Like I'm writing Joe in for president 20, 20. It was a beautiful. My British now, because I'm just saying like, no, really, just that like leadership,

that just that connection. And for me, it was in that moment, it was like he was like, F everybody else. Like, what do you need? Like, you want me to squeeze your hands again? Like, we're locked in. Like, do what you need to do. Be like, ugh.

When I re, like, we were sitting there on the sofa watching, it was the fellas. Me, Bryce, Brandon Cottom, Joey Hatch, James Jones. I look over, Bryce is crying, and I'm just like, I'm just trying to like, withhold it, cause I'm like, man, I'm getting a little misty. But then on the rewatch today, I like, started crying watching it, straight up.

This real human connection. Where this man is really like. Protecting, caring for this younger woman as if she was like a family member of his. He's really like helping her down. I don't even see like a younger woman, right? Like I just see a person a person in need that he has a connection with and it's just like if I don't know, I just for me.

I don't have kids. I don't have I have a turtle but in that moment the closest thing that I could ever relate to is that a couple of years ago. I want to get that a couple of years ago, I don't wanna get personal, but like, you know, my mom was driving and like there was an incident, where it's just like stroke something

and she pulled over to the side of the road and like people just knew it, something wasn't wrong. And someone got out of the car and sat with my mom and the ambulance came and like, you know, and it's just like in those moments, you want someone in your absence to be there and just seeing Joe do that. And I know like we're playing survivors for a million

dollars, people would do anything for a million dollars. And it's like, despite all of that, he showed up as just a human like that. Really does something to you. And it's just like you just like there are really this world. Especially today is a horrible disgusting place. And sometimes if you watch the news, if you watch everything that's going on, it can really depress you and it really can sadden you. But to know that there are really good people out there, it really is heartwarming. And for Joe to step up, for Eva to be so vulnerable,

and we know people that sometimes were different in different ways, and sometimes we don't like to share things. And if you don't share things with people, could you imagine if like Eva just was like, I'm gonna do this on my own? And didn't share any of that with like what that situation would look like then and there. But like to be able to see someone like a jump like, yeah,

it really it says a lot. And. So, I mean, it was definitely a moment that I feel like was bigger than the game. But to put it in a game perspective, the survivor fan in me, are we worried that this, just such a visible connection, how do we think that might impact their game? And I know that's a conversation that's different than just the beauty of it all, but I couldn't

help when I was watching to be like, this is just the most visible display of an unbreakable bond where if I'm like a, if I'm like a Mitch, I'd be like, damn, like I don't even know these two yet. And they're so close. It makes me nervous. I didn't know. And not makes me nervous. Not that they should have held back because it was clearly what they needed in the moment. Sometimes a connection like that is worth more than a million bucks. I'm wondering as they proceed and as they head into a merge, how do they navigate being such an obvious duo? That is going to be on everyone's radar.

That is going to be on everyone's radar. First, it's going to be on everyone's radar. You know, I thought I'm like, this is this is Survivor. Y'all are players. So that's on everyone's radar as like probably a super high threat duo. Yeah, but then we get back and star like gives her her idol. And like, my question is, like, wait a minute, is this a thing where, where this group of this whole group was now changed? And now they want to see this pair or at least Eva succeed? I don't know. Like, that that that

that's kind of what I was thinking. But I'm glad that you brought up Star because I want to. Jackery, I need to know your opinion on this, right? Because, again, Star has had a tough go at. Tribe life, right, like she's been on out. We see she got this calculator. She can't put the numbers in right. And so she tells the tribe because like she like, shit, I can't put the numbers in right. And so she tells the tribe because like she like, shit, I can't get it.

And again, another win for Eva. Also, Eva relays to Star that she also that moment was sometimes laughter is like my remedy for everything. So I really enjoyed when Eva was like divulging to Star, like, hey, I didn't want to tell you this. And Star, like, girl, I knew. Like, it like reminded me of like me coming out to Wendy's. After I met Wendy's for a couple of times,

I was just like, I know you want to be my best friend, but I just want you to know I'm a homosexual. Like Wendell was shocked, but like I liked that moment. And I liked them like having that moment, but I want to give star some flowers here because obviously, well, first of all, I want to disagree with y'all. Tell me if I'm wrong. I know we offer the heels of Eva having a moment that transcends

survivor. But the second she would have opened that eye, though, I'd have been like, thank you much. Thank you. Thanks, sis. Appreciate it. Appreciate you, boo. But I think in that moment, I think Stars does something that is super smart and super strategic.

And I want to talk to the smartest survivor player that has yet to play that I know. Jack, in this moment with everyone on Stars tribe knowing that she has the idol, even Eva has the idol. Eva tried to corner her, was like, hey, if you were to find the idol, and it looked like a round thing, do you have it? Star like, no, I don't have it. But clearly Star knows, everyone knows. And so I think this was a very smart move of Star

to gift the idol to Eva for two reasons. James Jones, I didn't have the opportunity move of star to gift the idol to Eva for two reasons. James Jones, I didn't have the opportunity to talk to him this week because he was sitting right next to me. But when people know what you have, it becomes a threat, right, like it raises your threat level. So if everyone knows that you potentially have this idol and we don't know when it's unlocked, if it gets unlocked and you bestow it on someone like an Eva, right?

Like one that's just like, oh, it looks great. It empowers Eva. But I really think it takes the threat off of Star a lot. And. In a moment, I'm just from a survivor game standpoint with a moment of Eva having something like that, like having the episode like that and so emotional and so real. Let's be real.

If you're sitting at the end with her, what does that look like? Right. Would you want to sit at the end with her and start giving her that idle in front of everybody? I feel like it just lights the fire under Eve threat level a little more, but it doesn't do it in such an obvious way. Yeah, I'm with you. I love this episode from Star. As beautiful as the Joe and Eva moment was,

I almost felt the most strongly about how compassionate and empathetic Star was. I just, like, it was a different approach of her. It was almost like you're at the restaurant and the last cookie's on the platter, and Star's like, ah, you can have it. Like, it's just, I don't know. But I just think Star won a lot of favor

with a lot of people this episode. Like, not only the viewers, but obviously the people on her tribe. Like you said, it also puts a little bit of a target on Eva going forward. And I think Eva was so excited and got it got Star's vote back, which is important, going into the merge. And, you know, I was on the same page with you as soon as that puppy gets open, I will be like, all right, let me get that back. But it was clear that Eva was like so, so, so proud of herself. And I feel like Eva almost seemed to be thinking like, I did it. Like this is like, I know Eva wasn't assuming it was hers, but it had that energy. So for Star to be like, all right, let me get that

back. Like that would have been awkward and maybe put her in the bad view of some people, even though totally was hers. But I just think Star is right now in a position, and also Tom's going home, that might be who Star was the closest to. And so Star is like in need of some new allies. And I think her taking on this really like mellow, friendly, just chill approach heading to the merge is going to help her buy some time and make some new connections and have wiggle room. But I just love Star. I think she was so authentic, especially this episode

and how she received everything. It felt just like she has that element of strategy, but this all felt really authentic and real and human too. And I think if Star keeps that approach going forward, we can see a big turnaround from Star. Sometimes it takes a little bit for you to get your footing and then you're around people a little longer, the tribes switch up a little bit more, you're starting to feel like you

get a little more comfortable. And I think we're seeing Star begin to like, you know, find her foot. Yeah. And we met Star in New York at the Survivor 48 event where Jeff was there. Star's dynamic. Star like, first of all, like also, Star, you know who I was. Like I was like, me and Wendell was sitting right next to each other and I was like, hey, Star, she's like, hey, how you doing? Wendell, oh my God! And so I was like, okay, that's all right.

It's all right. But then after that, Star was like, hey, how you doing? I introduced myself and Star's personality is magnetic. We are sitting front row, like Star, her partner, me, Jeff, Saripu and we watching the episode. Who else was on the front row? Wendell and Wennie. Oh, my baby, my baby.

When he was there and also he was at his best behavior because he was with his own brother, you know. Oh, my God. OK, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. The podcast could take a pause for a second. Wendell, do you want to talk about the monumental milestone your son had this week? Oh, wow, Oh, wow.

Wow. Wow. This is crazy because as. As a father, when your son starts calling you dad or daddy, it's like unreal. Right. So like over these last couple of months, like when he started, like calling me dad and daddy a little more and it just it hits me every time and every single time it just hits me. Right. And when I'd bring my homies around, I'd be like, hey, when he go give this to Auntie Lauren, give this to Uncle Joey, give this to Noni, my mom, go bring this water to Uncle Bryce and he'll bring it to the people.

Right. But he won't say their names. So this weekend we were up in when he's room and Bryce was playing with when he and I was doing something. Tire me the hell out. Okay. Let's let's put that out there. Bryce decides to take on these tasks that are like physically tolling.

Like we're playing in the in the work at the home gym. And I have a big planter that is filled with like basketballs and stuff in the gym for wanting to use. Bricell take when he put him in a planter, lift him up and run him around my basement. It's like, bro, you're going to exhaust yourself. And then when he's not going to wanting you to do that. Anyway. Had to hide it.

Okay, I got to a point. It got to a point. During when he's room and, you know, Bryce is doing something ridiculous, when he looks up at him and says, Uncle Bryce. Let's go. But out of nowhere though, right?

Like it also was like, he wanted me to give him a ball back and like I was like, okay, okay, Uncle Bryce is dead now. So give me that Uncle Bryce. Yes, and it was like, it's like, oh my God, you know. That was, that was really cool. I was shocked and I didn't wanna like beat, cause you know, first of all, he could say,

oh, and I'd be like, did he say Uncle Bryce? Wendell was there and Wendell was like, did he just, and he looking at me and I'm looking at him and he looking at me and I'm looking at him. So, okay. Mind your mental. That's a great, I love that. Cameras, I'm gonna have to get the cameras. Wait, wait.

You got cameras. Yeah, I got cameras. What were you doing in Wendy's room? Hey, you'll be seeing when I be going into your fits right? And when you out of town? Absolutely. Yes. In the key in the back in Wendy's room out back in the body garage. You You've been walking people over Bryce? No, but when do I go out of town? He'd be having a lot of waters and juices. So you know, our grocery shop.

Wait, are you being serious? Yes, fool. You know what? I'm gonna check. I'm gonna invoice you for that, but I'm gonna find the video of Wenny saying your name and our reaction. Cause I think it's just, I think it's just-

You have a video of it? That's kind of creepy. Oh, let's go. But also, again, Wenny was there, his father was there. Like, and I'm just, I'm just cutting up with Star. So it's like, I know that star has that in her. But also, I just want to just point out that, like. Yes, Eva has autism, right?

But she's still a player in the game, and I just also want to point out this fun fact. What I'm like, OK, I'm with you. At what point in time when Eva unlocked it, was she trying to give it back? Okay, Eva, I see you and I ain't mad. Okay, Starlight, you can have it. Eva like, bitch, this mine, sis. This mine, like that's what I'm saying though.

Like at what point in time did you see Eva trying to give it back? Right, like let's be clear. Eva's playing, right? And so I just wanted to point that out, that. So foul. She locked in and she, like, Eva. He was really comfortable with that IP.

So I just, you know, Eva's still locked in. Anything else? Oh, I also wanted to talk about Say, because it was interesting when Mary was celebrating and Say wasn't happy or just like kind of spoke her piece. Like that's where it was like, oh my God. Like, I wish I could be more like Say at times, right? Because that's such a real emotion though.

Like I wasn't mad at Say saying that at all. Cause it's like, I feel like sometimes I feel like that. However, I'm just like, oh, I'm not gonna say anything. I'll just be awkward. And just like. Wow. I don't disagree with what Say was saying like it like but I think like Mitch said you could have an opinion and keep it to yourself especially in the game of Survivor like was say necessarily wrong maybe not but like broadcasting that to the other 15 people left in the game

is a bad move. And I hope I don't get heat for that, but... No, no. Based on what we saw from everybody else reacting to it, it seems like it was not the best display. I felt like it was an honest thing and it was like, I'm with you, girl. But this is where I, again, I was talking to Wendell

about this earlier in that specific moment, and we saw what Mitch had to say We saw what Chrissy had to say and they're so quick to bolt her out but I feel like I'm from the Jack Atkins School of Survivor and it's like I feel like If I were to be in that situation and given like hey, I know Satan say Satan say what she said Is that not like more of a reason for you to maybe be like, you know what, let me say something to you, Sate. Come over here, because like,

if you keep a person like that around that speaks their mind openly that will maybe like bother other people, doesn't that kind of like put a shield in front of you? Like, for me, that's why I'm just like, I get it would bother people, but for me and the way that I think of Survivor now, now it's like, you know what?

Okay, I'm gonna let it bother me, but like, I wanna work with you. It's kind of both, like it's sort of, in a way it's a shield, but it's also maybe deters people from wanting to work with you or be associated with you and your squad. It kind of reminds me of Survivor 45 when Kelly was really tight with Bruce. And some people in that season didn't

really want to work with Bruce. And Kelly was like, okay, in a way, he's a shield for me. But also, if I keep working with him, it's going to put a target on me too. And so I know what you mean, though, Bryce. But yeah, yeah, you gotta tread lightly. I had a question about that deep moment also when you're ready to pivot off of this part. The Eva Jo moment? Yeah. Yeah, and I also, before we do that,

like later on, we got a lot more to talk about too, I think. So I just wanna set the table for that. But when, yeah. This is a quick one. This is a real quick one. And I just wanna know, how do we feel about Jeff's nudge of Joe? So there's been a lot of online talk about that.

I've seen like Kobe Archer from it. Like, so I've seen a lot of online talk about that. I've seen like Kobe Archer from like, so I've seen a lot of takes on it, right? I don't know. I- What did Kobe Archer have to say? So Kobe Archer kind of felt like, he said he was 70% with what happened, but he also felt like it seemed like a little, uh,

contrived manufacturer, production motivated and that like, you know, Jeff's telling Joe to go over there. Uh, and just like, so things like that where I, I get that. Uh, and then also, I guess at the moment, Jeff then like offering Eva the floor to speak instead. Like, you know, just like situations where I feel like so much happened that it's like you have to say something. I think I'm glad that you said all that because that kind of got me thinking, Bryce, like.

Jeff is the executive producer and the head of everything. And he's the show, he's the head of everything. And without that, we might not have had these two magical moments, the moment of them embracing and her telling her story in front of everyone. So it's like, yeah, Jeff, you are nudging him and almost forcing this moment,

but like, this is your show. And hey, maybe with a nudge, yes, and yes, with a nudge, this magic moment happened. And she was able to tell her story to this cast and to America. And so I think a couple things could be true in that it's like, you know, like, man, maybe that's, maybe Jeff, I don't even want to call it overstepping, but maybe Jeff is doing something that might affect their games. Yeah, but also it's like this moment, this huge moment might have required that nudge and

I'm thankful for that nudge. And again, I'm just seeing what I saw off of Reddit and Twitter and some people have been saying like there have been other moments that could have used the nudge that didn't receive a nudge. And so I think that that's where the criticism and again, that I'm just reading. Yeah, right. So I'm just like. I get that right. And I get people's like criticism of that. But I also just say that like it's a show. They make errors and like, you know, as it grows, they try to do better, I would say, right?

But it does kind of like, there is a bit of that gray area and I do appreciate even us for talking about it because like we don't wanna diminish anybody's moment but like also being authentic to our feelings and like saying like, it does seem a little, but also it is a real moment. I have two takes about it. And A, first is kind of to what you're saying

about people online being like, well, these other moments could have used a nudge. I'm always on the mindset, whether it's Survivor, if it's real life, just because a mistake has occurred in the past doesn't mean that you should behave better and fix it going forward, right? Like you can't be like, oh back in season two, they didn't do that. Like, but if it's the right thing to do now, then it's the right thing to do now. And I feel like also Jeff is pretty perceptive. I feel like you, we, I mean,

maybe it was edited in this way, but we can kind of tell that maybe Eva wanted Joe and Joe wanted to go comfort Eva. So it's not like Joe was like, I barely know her like, and then Jeff was like, Joe, get over there. We know how close you are with Eva. Joe was like itching to get over there. And so I think it's okay for Jeff to allow them that opportunity and ask like, Joe, do you want to go over there? He's like, yeah, I'll do. So it's not like he called Joe out just randomly and was, you know, so I think it was nice. Like I don't have any issue with it. And I also don't feel like Joe or Eva weren't going to take that opportunity to like exchange

information, which I think is the concern about letting the tribes intermingle. I mean, I think they knew it was bigger than that. And I don't think Joe would be like, you all right? Oh, oh, by the way, Kyle and Camilla, like they hatched up this, like he wasn't gonna do that. So I liked it to your guys' point. Yeah. And Jeff got emotional. Yeah.

And yeah, like Jeff has, like you said, Jack, if you make a mistake in the past and you learn a way, there's always the right moment to kind of do the right thing or to correct, or whatever you can. So like, if this opportunity presents itself now, hey, like allow for that. Yeah, don't keep doing the wrong thing

because you've been doing the wrong thing. And that applies to everything, you know. Men too. Sure, yeah. Sorry, sorry. Relationships, yeah. Another emotional and strong moment was over on Camilla, Kyle, Joe, and Shaheen. Also, real quick, first of all, I've been looking at Joe for a while. And I didn't know why I kept looking at Joe.

I mean, you know, he would be his daddy, but I mean, I know Joe was my cousin, okay? I thought it was just as equally powerful hearing about Camilla's family story, about hearing about Joe's identity, about hearing about Shaheen's family story. For me, I'm like, this is what I want 90 minutes for, right? And again, here's another moment

where I'm just busting out crying where we know that after this tribe got back, Camilla and Kyra like, oh, we don't know. Shaheen and Joe are like, what's up? Then they share these moments and then they like, yo, we locked in. It's us four. Like we, this is it. This is it. Now, mind you, I'm no mathematician,

but I'm like, at this moment, I'm getting emotional and I'm loving it and I love the fact that like, you know, sometimes your struggle, you can bond with people, you have that relationship. But I'm also like, well, if y'all lose today, one of y'all, one of y'all. Yeah, but. One of y'all go home. But yeah, they share this moment.

They're locked in with each other. And that was when they walked in the challenge, like, with the serious faces on too, right? Like, they're saying they're standing there locked in, but if they continue this ruse that like, you know, that bad tribal and they don't like each other, so they walk in locked in. And yeah, this four is a scary four. Yes.

I was gonna say, mark my words, this four is gonna do damage. This four, at least make like the top like eight or nine. I think they're all, I think the winner is probably going to come from this four. I think this is a really strong, especially you look at the other two groups, they're a little bit scrambled up, right? Like this four I think is going to be able to handle a say in Chrissy and they're going to be able to handle like the in Chrissy. And they're going to be able to handle

like the charity Eva star David dynamic is not those four and us to get together. So this group is going to do damage. The question is, yeah, I agree. It's like this four. But the question is, like, are the ties that they have outside of this four stronger than this for and I would almost say yes, but you take this group and the right person takes this group and whatever

their other thing is. And at the right moment, they go in whichever direction they need to go. Yeah, Yeah. The thing is, I do like this, obviously there's a couple connections, but I'm thinking we get to the merge and this four pulls in an Eva and they pull in maybe a Mitch and a David and maybe like a Chrissy and then the, and then charity is going to be in trouble. Said and say are going to be in trouble. And I think this they're really going to be able to control this, at least the beginning of the merge, I feel like. Yeah. Yeah.

And but you're right, because at what point it with Joe in this for is he like, well, I got to go over with I'm locked in. And then, you know, they could blind item. They could like, you know I gotta go over with, I'm locked. And then, you know. They could blindside him. They could like, you know. Exactly, but they're so cool. Right, so, and that might be a move that like he might not even be necessarily mad at

or it's something, a move that he could maybe understand. Like there's no way I'm voting her out. So like, if y'all were to do something like this, you would have to pull the wool over my eyes. But also let's not count Eva out as well, because I feel like she might face the same pressure, and we don't know what will happen. I do want to ask, we are episode five, we're midway.

Any speculation? Can I have three winner picks from y'all, from what we have seen thus far? And if you need me to go first, I'll go first. Sure. Okay. Hold on. Let me think. Let me get mine in so I'm not in flu locked in. But I'm not in. This is snake draft Jack and you're in the middle. Wait a minute. We're. Oh, I thought you were just asking for three. I didn't know. I'm just joking. Yeah. Who you got Jack?

Well, I'm trying. I want to. Well, do you got, Jack? Well, I'm trying to, I want to. Well, do you want me to say mine or you want me to say mine? I want to walk mine in so I'm not like adjusting based on your, what you guys are saying. I'm using time to my advantage. Well, you've had four episodes. Relax yourself over there. Because I think this is a great point in which, like, you know, we could talk about the people that we see because I have,

in my opinion, I have mine. I think Jack is locked in. I'm close. I got two out of three. I got two out of three. Classic Wendell. Two out of three. I got two out of three. Classic Wendell.

OK, I got it. I want to go. OK, no, I already said I was going first. I call first. But go ahead, go first. Well, no, Jack, who should go first? Um. OK, OK. I got Mitch Shah, and Camilla. Oh, okay. Jack, would you like to go next? No, you can go next, Bryce.

Thank you, Jack. You're such a courteous, young, sweet man. I have Mary, Sed, and Camilla. Similar. Mine in this order. I'm going Camilla, Kyle and Mary. But I do think that Camilla Kyle is if I were a betting man,

betting on one of those two pretty high on my list. And then after that, I think there's a few. What's up? Betting on one of those two pretty high on my list. And then after that, I think there's a few people. What's up? Yup. The Guyanese duo. And then Mary, I think, is a dark horse. I like where Shaheen's at as well.

I like where he's at as well. I also, again, I'll throw another little dart at the board. I'm a little shocked at David's edit, right? I don't think it was the edit that I thought. There's a world where, like, he'd make Final Four. I think he's going to go, I think he's going to at least get to the middle of the merge. I want to, so, now I'm sorry to pivot.

I feel like one of the biggest things of this episode we haven't even touched on at all, and I know we're an hour and a half in and we can keep going, but I want to make sure we get there is this Bianca situation. We haven't, she's facing a dilemma and not that it's that big of a thing, but to bring it back, she lost her vote on that same journey that Justin did and so I sort of maintain that that was Frustrating but to look at this, you know this episode and her decisions and how she played it I think there's a ton to unpack And I'm very interested what you guys I guess the questions are

Not having her not her not having a vote did she have the right idea of what to do initially did she make a mistake or did she do the right thing by telling Cedric and I guess also just like should she have just played it a different way entirely with her general plan and I don't know if I have my thoughts but I want to let you guys start so thank you you. She had the right idea. She made the mistake in telling said she went home. She had the right idea with the keeping them split. Then she at the ninth hour said, you know what? I'm going to do early. I'm going to do premature damage control by talking to said before we vote, something happens in that ninth hour and now she's on Ponderosa.

Two things I wanna say, right? Because when it came to Justin, I was like, if Justin would have only told said, like it would have made said believe him a little more. However, I still stand 10 toes down on that. I think what Bianca is a little different is because like you don't have that organic relationship from the beginning. So I think Bianca was absolutely right in how she was playing it.

Shit. Have them split the vote. Have the two people name that's up and go. I think and also Bianca is a queen. Bianca is a rose. A rose has storms. We love her like you you roll the dice dice and that's what you have to do if you want to win Survivor. Sometimes you roll the dice and you get snake eyes and then sometimes you get jackpot. So I think my one criticism and not really a criticism is that like

some window said you start thinking beyond the vote, right? Like, and where Bianca was like, okay, if it comes out that they didn't know, I'll have to deal with that instead of being like, let me just get there and deal with it, right? Like she started kind of like, and in this moment, it's like girl locked in, and which I think she had the right idea of splitting them

because it would have worked out in her favor. But and this is the thing about survivor, like you want to be 10 steps ahead. You want to you want to know what your person is doing. You want to know, perceive how they are going to move. But then also, it's like that same thing of like you need to be locked and loaded and you need to stay present because if you get too many steps ahead, it might come to get you. But then if you're not thinking too far ahead,

then it's gonna come to get you. So it's like, it's this catch 22. So. Yeah, okay. So I generally agree with where you guys are at. Yeah, I like how you described it as like that premature damage control. Now, of all situations, I do see where Bianca's coming from.

She feels like she's made a good relationship with Cedric. And at this point, her number one has just been voted out. She wants to go into the merge, building some trust. And doing this is obviously an olive branch to build trust rather than basically pulling one over on everybody in the tribe just to get through this tribal. Granted, you can probably anticipate a merge coming. Getting through this tribal is the number one priority with a merge on the horizon. But I do worry for her and I feel like she probably felt like this. If she does get through this tribal and burns some

bridges, she doesn't have a lot going into the the merge. Now, obviously, things can change, avenues can open up, but I don't mind her being like for the longevity of my game, maybe I have to build some currency. Obviously, she sacrificed her short-term odds for the sake of that. I agree with you guys that I don't think it was bad of her, but I think when you know that you have a plan that's really going to limit your risk right now, right before the merge, you kind of just got to stick to that. Don't do any funny stuff. Maybe if it was earlier in the pre-merge, do maybe keep South Center again because it's like he's either not going to trust me now or he's not going to trust me after

I turn my back on him, but I got to like try to win him over. What I will say is I have a proposed, I feel like I liked her plan before, but I think I have some tweaks that I think would have really done everything for her. I think the biggest thing is that her plan of splitting them, tying them, whatever, obviously generally keeps her safe unless they go to rocks, then she has a one third chance of drawing the wrong rock. I don't even know if they get to rocks. Maybe someone flips on the re-vote. We could talk about that later. I think rather than go to Cedric and say, hey, I don't have a vote. Can you vote with me, I don't want this to tie. Go to Cedric as if you have a vote and say, hey, Cedric,

I think I'm going with Mitch and Chrissy, and I wanna work with you and I wanna clue you in. But just so you know, it's gonna be a three-two vote if I'm voting for set. So you can either come on board and vote unanimously, we can build a bond, or you're gonna be in the two against the three. And like, Cedric, I want to work with you. Then I think Cedric's like, damn, we're screwed.

It looks like Say is going home. Maybe Cedric throws his vote on Say. And then no one's ever going to be the wiser that Bianca didn't have a vote because then it's a three to one vote or it would have been a four to one vote if Bianca has her vote, but only three votes are getting read regardless. So then you put a little pressure on Cedric, who we can see is pressurable. But even if Ced's like, nah, I got to stick with Say, you could be like, that's fine. I respect that. It it is what it is. And then it's two two. And then you don't have any votes on you. And then you could play from there, but you're not going home unless you draw a rock.

And to be honest with you, I feel like in that seat in Bianca's position, the only people deciding are either Mitch and Cedric. And they both feel like one of them would be like, you know what, we're about to merge tomorrow. I'm not drawing a rock. And I think that Bianca gets through it. Then you'd be like, you know what, we're about to merge tomorrow. I'm not drawing a rock. And I think that Bianca gets through it. Then you'd be like, you know, I had to do what I had to do.

Like it just is what it is. We're going to the merge, clean slate. She's got eight other people coming to the merge that she could work with nine other people. Then I think that putting a little pressure on it and act like you're cluing him in, have some confidence rather than being like, Cedric, please, like I've been lying to you,

but please Cedric, like do this. I think that, I think that would have been the better route to go. I think that's a smooth play, Jack, to just tell her, yeah, for her to just act like she got it and tell him where she, yeah, I think that's smooth. Yeah. And even if they have something, like an idol or whatever, I think Bianca being like Cedric, like, look, I want to work with you, but I don't know about Say, you clue him in. Even if they have an idol, he tells Say to play her idol. I think the votes still go on Chrissy, right? Like they probably don't flip them on Bianca just because Bianca told Cedric that she's going the other way out of an effort to build a connection.

And yeah, I just think that's the play. Right. Would you agree? Disagree? That is smart. I still feel like it's a bit risky. And it is again, Monday morning, quarterbacking, right? Seeing how Cedric reacted to this information, like I'm not 100% sure, but no, that sounds smart because it ultimately is still kind of leaves Cedric in the decision of like, you won't flip or you're going to work with us. I, again, while you were talking, I was thinking like, I might just stick you on the middle and let them split the votes. And then when we get back to tribe, when I'm back in the tribe and they're like, what happened? I'd be like, somebody block my vote. I got the vote and they block my vote. When they do split the vote,

then it becomes very awkward one of like, now I think there's also a world where they split the vote and maybe, well, so before I get into this, they split the vote, you have more of a chance of drawing rocks. Whereas if you just clue in Cedric and maybe he flips, you're not drawing rocks and no one's ever even going to know that you lied. So that would be nice.

I mean that... Obviously, if Cedric sticks to his guns, then you're in a little bit more hot water when you come back to camp, but at least you're going back to camp. But I do agree with Bianca of it's like, okay, if I get through with Bianca of it's like, okay If I get through this and in a duplicitous way, I'm gonna be in hot water Let me try for the longevity of my game to do a little premature damage control and just so happens it doesn't work But what I will say in the instance of a tie

I also was thinking could be very interesting if Bianca turns to like to like a Cedric and you're like, yo, I heard say lost her vote or whatever. So basically Bianca could posture like, I did have my vote and I'm going to flip my vote on the revote. So you should flip your vote too to get them to flip their vote. Um, cause I think in the moment, clearly we've seen Cedric on some of these revote situations with the Justin tribal. It gets confusing. And so I think if you act like, oh, I voted with you,

but now I'm about to flip mine, maybe they flip theirs too. But maybe Cedric does it because clearly we've seen he just say, say, and then he flips it when it's time to discuss. But whatever that might. I think Bianca had options. And I think ultimately ultimately it seems like we agree that blowing up her spot just put her, like we get where she was coming from,

but it just put her in more jeopardy right then and there than she needed to be. Yeah. And then we didn't get to see how, like again, with the editing, we didn't get to see what's said and Chrissy, like I would have loved to see how that kind of all kind of all.

Can I say I I don't know if I should say is I heard that maybe Oh, if you're saying what what I think you're about to say, we might want to just talk about it off the pot. Okay. Oh, okay. All I will say differently is that Bianca I listen to Bianca's exit interview. She said that this conversation was very last minute in that she watched Cedric like a hawk until tribal

and that she did not see any conversation unfold. So I don't know if this was like a wink and a nod at tribal or whatever, but it would be interesting. And maybe it'll be in the next time on Survivor where this plan was devised. The last thing I wanted to talk about real quick regarding all this is from Chrissy's point, is this a good move? I would say not telling Mitch, but you're not that close anyway. Letting you know for sure also that Mitch didn't know, but I don't know how it, it seems like maybe Mitch probably didn't know, but like maybe he did. I think because, yeah, I think with very almost minimal damage control, I think Chrissy is

in a fine, if not better spot. So the only thing I'll say to that is I think Chrissy's pretty old school. She probably didn't like to hear that Bianca was lying. And she probably and she we saw her talking about, oh, Lagi has more people like we got to take them out. So I understand why. But I think on paper, it seems like Chrissy doesn't really get along with say, right? He got along pretty well with Bianca. So I just think, I really just think Chrissy should have just voted for Say.

And there's also this world where now, like, there's a world where Cedric could have been lying to get Chrissy to split her vote, and then they vote out Chrissy. So I think if Chrissy just sticks with Mitch, you know it's going to be at least two to two. And if Bianca has her vote, then it's gonna be three to two. So Chrissy put herself in a really, now I think Cedric, and we said this about Cedric's decision to split his vote,

Cedric and Chrissy seem like pretty straight shooters. Like their word seems pretty good. But they both had a lot of trust in each other to just deviate their vote. Because if, like I said, I think Chrissy- There's a lot of trust in each other to just deviate their vote. Because if, like I said, I think I think Christy should have just voted for say, and gotten out the person that you feel like you can't work with. Whereas Bianca has shown a lot of potential as a decent ally. But Christy already initially said what her reservation for Bianca was initially, because

if she's coming from that strong tribe. And so again, it just weakens that tribe even more. She now has this ally in Cedric. She also has her original tribe to go to. So I think I agree with Wendell. I think she might be in just a fine position. And it's like if everyone says they can't get along with say as much, then it's like say is still around and still a potential vote for other people.

So I think that it really does put her in a really good position. But I will say that I don't know. Well, I mean, I guess we listen. That's the thing with the purple pants. You stand on your business. But one thing is for sure. We'll see how it all unfolds next week with episode six, because I think that with the merge approaching or the merge being here,

we are going to have a lot to discuss next week. Jackery, I can't thank you enough for coming and staying. Tense holds down like you always do. Wendyzy, I don't know what you're doing with that Vaseline on the tent. Bryce, I gotta wrap this. We were going, Bryce, let me wrap it up. When DZ, I don't know what you're doing with that. Vasilino. I gotta wrap this. We were going, Vasilino, let me wrap it up. Yeah, I think, no, listen, I think this is a great episode.

I am excited to see what happens next week. As always, we appreciate the Jack Shack for showing up, the Wyn Dens for being here. Yeah. Yeah. But no, this has been your Survivor News covering Survivor Season 48, Episode 5. We'll see you next week. Chicago, get ready, cause the baby boys are coming.

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