RHAP: We Know Survivor - Purple Pants Podcast | When the Vote Ties, Who Cries?

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

The baby boys are back for another dose of Survivor News! Join @BriceIzyah, @WendellHolland, and @JackAtkins21 as they dissect the chaos of Survivor 48 Episode 3. Tensions escalate at Vula as Mary’s idol hunt strains alliances, leading to a record-breaking Tribal Council. Facing a deadlock, Cedrek is forced to make a game-altering decision, resulting in Justin’s shocking exit. Over at Civa, Kamilla’s strategic prowess shines as she deciphers a new advantage. Meanwhile, Lagi’s unity is tested with unexpected twists. Who’s in control, and who’s on the chopping block? Tune in for all the strategy, drama, and blindsides as the season intensifies!

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The Baby Boys are back and it is just your Baby Boys this week. I am super excited to be joined by Wendell Holland, Jack Atkins and myself and we are breaking down this epic season 48 episode three. Woo, it's a lot going on. We're talking about the challenge, but we are mainly talking about tribal council, how this played out, what would happen if this happened and that didn't happen.

It's a lot to unpack and I am super excited to be here with my brothers. So let's get in to this week's Survivor News. What is going on your baby boys? And when I do say your baby boys, the trio is back covering Survivor Season 48 Episode 3. Super excited to be here. Bang, bang. We have a lot to get into. We have a lot to talk about this episode and we have a lot to discuss as the Baby Boys.

Let's welcome back to the podcast, the first Merge Boot when DZ Holland was popping window. I was more than a Merge Boot, Bryce Isaiah. Were you? Because I feel like we had a pregame in San Francisco and we had a young lad who will be on Survivor season 69. And I feel like when I asked him, yes, I asked him, I said, who was the first merged boot?

He said, Wendell Holland. I got the video. Okay, we'll live with that, sure. How you doing? It's good to be back. Yeah, and listen, so all the YouTube comments, he's talking, okay? He's talking, yes!

You know what? If we're being upfront and honest, I got a text message about, at what time, 7-12, it is now 737 the text message said friendly reminder to be engaged and keep your energy up this episode. Listen, when we love with with love the comments I listen Jack and I be in the comments.

Okay, and so they've been saying it's AI Wendell. They don't believe it's actually you. It's what the people want, Wendell. All right. Now I will say, I've loved our guests for having the big three this week. You know, Q and Rome know how to hold court. So there will be an opportunity now

for Wendell to get involved. Yes. I'm like, why'd you tell me that? And as he is talking, let's welcome back to the podcast, the man that doesn't have a full-time job, but it is not a part-time job who is employed. You might recognize him from Netflix, The Circle, season two, The Floor is Lava, or you know, as our little brother, one of my best friends, I got to have lunch with this man.

Okay, he's casting while we was having lunch. The waiter was trying to cast himself on one of Jack's shows and Jack said solid. Let's welcome to the podcast, The Jack. Let's welcome to the podcast, The Jack. Oh, yeah. The Jack to the. Wow. I don't know why my employment status came in a question there.

I'm currently contracted. I work 10 to 630, right? So I call that a full, I mean, fulltime job for about two and a half more months. And then, um, yeah, I'm, I can't tell you the last time I've been this excited to get into an episode, but I know we gotta, I know we gotta do our, our weekly, you know, whatever, whatever you want to call it, the updates first. So I'm going to contain myself for a few minutes and then I'm excited to dive in. Listen, well, the Baby Boys are here. We're super excited.

It's been a while since we've held court as just the Baby Boys. And I just wanna just shout out to the Survivor News listeners that are engaged, that come to see the Baby Boys. And we do apologize if, you know, we were excited to have guests, but I do understand you wanting to hear from your baby boys.

So let's hear from the baby boys. Now let's get into business. This is some things I got to address before we get to the episode. Also, Wendy Z. Let me talk to you for a second. Oh, okay. Go right ahead because I'm talking back today. Oh, he's clocked in.

Well, I'm super excited to have you. And listen, let's be honest. Wendy's and I, we had a fight. Okay. This tour has started like the regular tours. Okay. We had a premier tour. We had a premier in New York.

It was great. The week leading up to LA, Wendy's and I, we were not talking. And mind you, this was a fight that I said, you know what? I'm not going to break the third wall. I'm not going to say nothing to them. But I broke down because... Oh, you weren't talking to me? Anyway, so we had a fight. Oh, you weren't talking to me?

Anyway, so we had a fight, but listen, I feel like last season was an anomaly. No fights. This season, we had a fight, we had a little hiccup, but listen, all of our greatest seasons, we fight. So I'm glad that we were able to work it out. I'm glad that you apologize. I'm glad that we were able to work it out. I'm glad that you apologize. I'm glad that you admitted that I am right. I'm glad that you know, you saw the pasture beyond the farm.

Sounds like when you send a dog off to, when you take a dog out back and send him to another dog. But we were in San Francisco yesterday and Bay Bay, Bay Bay and first of all, I read the comments. Somebody was like, I know this is the purple pants podcast and it's Bryce's podcast, but he talks too damn much. Well, listen, I know that's right. I agree with you. That was my burner account. The baby boy is wedding his whistle.

And so listen, you can log off now. Let me just say this, cause San Francisco, the Bay Area, Bay Bay, I had no idea the posse ran so deep. And when I say deep, it's like the jack shack was there. When Desi-ers were there, the posse was there. You said who? When's dead?

When's the dead Des Den? No. Den Beasley. No, that's classic Wendell. No. We don't want no Wendell. I don't wanna know what happens in a Wendell, but I am curious as to know what it smells like. But like seriously, the Purple Pants Posse

was in the building. And when I'm talking about play by play with me and Jack Jalinski, the premonitions, the survivor news, like they were like, it's not like, you know, you meet people, Jack, and they're like, I love this circle and I love you, Jack. And you're like, well, anyone that's told me that. No, no, I know what you mean. I know.

These were like hardcore, bonafide fans. Hardcore, and I don't like to cry. I'm a crier. I wasn't sweating in San Francisco. I was crying in San Francisco. Like the love was really real. And there was one posse member, think her name was Sophie.

She came with her mom. Like, shout out to... Just, San Francisco showed up and showed out. It was Jack, it was a time. When we say a time was had in San Francisco, a time was had in the Bay Area. It was absolutely amazing. Oh, packed crowd.

An episode that we will get into. But it was a lot going on. It was the first time we premiered Joey Hatch as our DJ. Joey smoked the ones and the twos to the point that. Jack, we may have a problem. Yeah, I think we created a monster. We may have a problem. Yeah, I think we created a monster. We may have a problem, Jack. He had a lot of visitors in his DJ booth.

Let's say guest DJs with him. DJ zero caution. Okay, like, yeah, it was crazy. San Fran went up. We had an amazing crowd. We had an amazing group of people show up. We had legends. We had Ty in the building.

We had Keyshawn. We had Claire. We had Franny. We had Matt. We had a huge... And you had Matt, we had a huge, okay, a special shout out to Danielle Reyes from Big Brother, from Traders, from the Reindeer Games. Let's just say Danielle Reyes treated the baby boys like kings in San Francisco, Jack, to the point that I only saw Wendell at the event because the accommodations that Danielle Reyes provided us.

I was good, Jack. Was that the Reyes estate was what was the situation? So I don't, I don't want to go into details too much, but I let Wendy's easily, but she just, she treated the baby boy like a king and in a king, there's a pool, there's a sauna, there's a jacuzzi, there's a doorman, there's a, I mean, The workout room. Though I did use, I mean, I did visit the workout room

because I had to get to the steam room. I'm steaming. Oh, was that where the hot tub was at? Where the hot tub was. I was in the hot tub from sun up to sun down. I made friends. I mean, I have a residence in San Francisco. You're good.

This is good news, cause I'm hoping you guys go back so I can try to get up to the next one. This week's been crazy for me, so I wasn't able to, but it sounds like you got on a great time. You did. My man, my man Austin was there when my mother-in-law was there. James Lim was there.

James pulled up. Neil. There was Neil Garabatte, the ice cream man. There was a point where fans started looking like survivors. While Survivor was going on, there was this rumor that Brett and Chris from Survivor's Gen X were there and they looked just like them. that Brett and Chris from Survivors Gen X were there and they looked just like them.

But it wasn't them. But it wasn't them, but it was them. It wasn't what it was. It was. Made me walk all the way around the bar. He was like, Brett and Chris from Millennials Gen X are sitting at the bar. They were there, Dan.

They're being so quiet. He made me walk all the way around the bar. I'm looking like. You idiot, that's not them. Why aren't you there was I don't even want to say because we have surprise guests that were in the building. Shout out to our surprise guests that were there. There was a surprise guest

that I don't think he didn't know that they weren't them. He took a photo with them. It was crazy. Though he's the only one with the fake Brett and fake Chris. Yes, and didn't know. And that's why I thought that they were them. They were the surprise guests. They really were. The posse was telling me who they want on the Zandy calendar on 2026.

I got a whole note thread. Jack, it was, it was one of those events. It almost reminded me of like the first time we went to Boston. But you can hear the TV. Yeah. I mean, it looks like no shade, no shade to LA venue. But this is a tech city. The sound was on point, Jack. And there were birthdays in attendance.

Hey, if you want to celebrate a birthday, come to a Bryce and when we had a man, Brandon, his birthday, he had cupcakes in there and he was also giving out. Hey, it's the Kevin die for me. Okay. The guy died. Okay. I had one in my drink and just the Bay Area show up, show out. Jack, the owner of the bar. Shout out the Vlad for buzz works was a survivor fan.

Jack. When I say a survivor fan, there was a point where we weren't at capacity, but we were getting to the capacity and Wendell said to Vlad, hey, can we squeeze in a couple more people? Vlad said, they ain't buy a ticket. No, I said, oh my God, Vlad. But mind you, I really felt like he said that because the way that he was so excited to see the survivors,

like Jess Chong was in the building, Owen was in the building. The way that he was all over them, he really wanted them to his self. He was like, no more people. I like- Just taking all the photos. He came to the pregame.

He made us do the pregame at his other bar. He was locked in. So shout out to Vlad. Everybody else has to leave right now. Yes, no Jack, that's how it was though. Like all night, throughout the night Jack, I was like spotting him because we had a, there was a balcony. This is what he looked like all night.

So it sounds like we're going to be back in San Francisco. We will absolutely be back in San Francisco. But you know, another place that we will be back, Jack. Where? The finale is in May, and a lot of people have been asking about the finale. The finale will be in New York. We do have a new location that I feel like is still under wraps,

but just know if you are wondering about the Bryce and Wynn, 48 finale that will be in New York, check out the Bryce and Wynn present finale that will be in New York. Check out the Bryce and Wynn present Instagram page because we'll be dropping some things shortly and when I tell you. The one thing that I said to Wendy's because you know, it's the Bryce is to win a lot of different things. We did a tour of this place, Jack. I had to change my britches in the place. That like, that's how like, that's how.

I knew he was gonna say something stupid like that. That's how alluring and sexy and just like, whoo. So if you are wondering about the BWP 48 finale, it's not sold out, the tickets haven't been released, but keep an eye out. And grab an extra pair of britches. Grab an extra pair of britches. Well, listen, also, And I'm not gonna tell you what that venue is.

It's big. It's a 900 capacity venue. So we will have plenty space. We're not gonna be cramped in there this time. Everyone will have space. We're not going to be cramped in there this time. Everyone will have space. We're going to do, we're going to do whatever. We're going to have great viewing. It's going to be the perfect finale. We're very excited to work with this new venue. Absolutely.

Yes. Listen, Jack, because you know, while while I was in L.A., I got this. I got to spend some time with Jack. Jack and I went to lunch. I went to Jack's house. And, you know, Jack has a milestone birthday coming up. And his mom really wants him to come to Connecticut. But Jack doesn't, you know, but I'm just saying, I told Jack, if you go to Connecticut, I'll be there.

But Jack, you could, you know, line it up. We will have a table. So if you wanted to get a table, it will be amazing. But a lot of things to get to. Also, as we kind of are easing our way into the episode, Jack, we have to talk about a new survivor beef. Oh yeah. Okay. I'm ready to, hit me with it. Because? about a new survivor beef. Oh yeah.

I'm ready to, I'm gonna stand my ground. School is out, the bell has rung and we are behind the basketball court. We're waiting for Mary to pull up because shout out to everybody that listens and Mary listens to that episode. And while Rome was holding court, Jack was, you know. If this was the basketball court, I'd say Jack was giving out some flagrant

fouls when he said he would he rather take a Kevin over a Mary. Also, Kevin is a king and a legend. And this is no shade to Kevin because I love Kevin. However, my girl, Mary, had been performing in challenges. She's physical. She's smart. And it's not even my girl, Mary, is Mother Mary. So we're clear. Mother Mary, she got a little type in this.

You said, Jack, what? What's up? Because I don't know what you saying. Meet me after school behind the basketball court because I got something to say. Yeah. You know, that took me by surprise. I opened up my phone, I saw that. I was like, ooh.

Sometimes I forget that some of the players listen. Here's what I'll say, right? Okay. This wasn't a... Also, Jack, I'm writing a whistle, so. I'll say. Right. Okay. This wasn't a whistle. So I'm gonna stay in my, I'm gonna stay in my ground here. This wasn't an attack on Mary's athleticism, right? This was more so and now we, I don't think I realize the extent of Kevin's shoulder problem, but Kevin's an

athletic guy, right? And so just visibly speaking, Survivor is a game of perception. I think Kevin is more athletic than Mary. And that's not to say Mary is not athletic. That's not to say this, that, or the other thing. And I'm a Mary fan. I mean, she had one of my favorite preseason tweet. Oh, there we go. She had one of my favorite preseason tweets

about yerking it. Love that tweet. She's been great all season, but just on paper, Kevin's pretty athletic. Now, and then here's what else. And this wasn't against Mary's athleticism. She's been holding her own. What was it against? It was it was me lifting Kevin up and saying Kevin's pretty athletic. And look, Mary lift Kevin up. But look, by putting Mary down. If anyone on that tribe was that athletic, they wouldn't have gone to three straight

tribals. So I'll stand by that. Also my whole argument was for Justin, do you think about keeping Kevin around to avoid losing again, in which case you might go home? And look what happened. And if you watch Mary during the blindfold challenge, obviously not easy to be blindfolded. She looked like she was walking

through a different challenge sometimes. Now maybe that's on Cedric who was calling. Jack, Jack, I'm jumping in after Squirt. Tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. But I like Mary. I honestly, I respect and love that she fired back at me because I like to hear she's listening. I like a little friendly back and forth.

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Book with your local travel advisor or at sunwing.ca. Kevin is a king, but Mary is a mother. I also, do you have anything to chime in real quick, because we got another beef we gotta talk about, okay? We got another beef we gotta get into. My only thing is you can't rag on her that hard and then say, oh, but I'm a Mary fan. Well, I could say, I could say, look,

like Mary is athletic, but I don't think she's as athletic as Kevin. And I could stand on that fact and then also say like, but I don't care about the athleticism. I like what Mary's bringing on the show. I just want to say, Jack, you're not a homosexual like I am.

Correct. But you do like men. You likes the men. You likes the men. Kevin with no bum shoulder. I mean, look at that. But like, you like the man. I was Kevin with no bum shoulder. I mean, look, like here's the thing. You can't. But this is what you can't say, though, Jack. You can't say Kevin without a bum shoulder when you got a bum shoulder.

With respectfully. I mean, you guys are like very friendly. You guys don't like to say that. I'm keeping it real. I like it. I'm not. You're not saying Kevin. I'm keeping it real. No, you're not. You're saying, okay, oh my God. James, you're saying, you're on the bum shoulder. You've got a bum shoulder though.

I still give me Kevin. But when Survivor Casting made these tribes, right, and they put Kyle and David on a tribe, and they put Shaheen and Joe and Eva on a tribe, who did they look at and think, oh, they're gonna match up with Joe on this tribe? It wasn't Mary. Why wasn't it Mary? Okay, you know what? All right, listen, Jack, Jack. Sure, like.

Jack, 430 when the bell rings. That's fine, I'm all for some friendly jokes. All I'm saying, Say can say this, Cedric can say this, Justin could have said all those same things. If you guys were that athletic, you wouldn't have lost every challenge. So I'm sorry.

And I'll stand by my point that my whole theory about that was just for Justin's sake, do you take a chance on Kevin to maybe boost your chances of winning a challenge? Because you might go next. And look what happened. Hey Jack, I got a question for you. What happened?

Yeah, wonderful. Wendyzy, Wendyzy, Wendyzy talking. While we over here talking about athleticism, what, cause that's the next beef, that's the next beef, get into it. No, my only question is, did his feet touch lava at any point? I'm not saying, I mean, sure. Yeah.

I don't know if the floor is the best representation of athleticism. Once I mentioned myself in this conversation, I'm just calling a spade a spade. You guys are very supporting everybody. This isn't anti-Mary. It's like, Mary might not be, in my opinion, the best at challenges on her tribe. And I like it, this isn't anti-Mary. It's like Mary might not be in my opinion, the best at challenges on her tribe. And that's okay. She's still really funny.

She's smart. Like I have so many good things to say about her, especially this episode. So I don't even wanna dwell on this, but I'll stand. Any anyone viewing this episode, I guarantee the majority of listeners would typically agree that on paper, Kevin is more athletic than Mary

Okay, everything to say but okay. All right Not a fair thing like I don't want to put anybody down and that's not me trying to put anybody down No, but you know, I get what you're saying But my whole thing is like you keep going back to this on paper without a bummed shoulder. We're going with the facts. Yeah, I mean, and that's and that's why I will say, like, yeah, given he messed up his shoulder, he wasn't great either. So I like I see Mary's point there.

But like I don't it wasn't meant to be a rude thing to just be like Kevin is more athletic than Mary. Like if I was like Wendell is more athletic than Jonathan, that's be like, Kevin is more athletic than Mary. Like if I was like, Wendell is more athletic than Donathan, that's not like, oh, I don't like Donathan. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. So if Wendell mess up his shoulder,

I can still say Wendell's more athletic than Donathan. That's not like, oh, I don't like you, Donathan. That's just talking survivor. Like that's a factor. Kevin has bigger biceps than Mary's. You could say that. Yeah, he's not better at it. Like, there's plenty of things that Mary is better at Kevin.

Well, to back to back my point, all I said was if I'm Justin, do I consider keeping Kevin to avoid being out sooner? And look what happened. And now we don't know. And I don't think Kevin would have changed that challenge, but I think Kevin might have been better in that challenge than Mary. Is that fair to say? Well, you might have been that that that's the part that for me is like,

All I'm saying is, say I was Justin, I think that I would bet on Kevin being more of an asset in that challenge than Mary. Right? That's a reasonable analysis. Right? So that's not me being against her for anybody. than Mary, right? That's a reasonable analysis, right? So that's not me being against her for anybody. I wasn't some big Kevin Stan. I was just like, he's just more athletic.

Like, it is what it is. I mean, his Instagram is fitkev, or kevfit. Listen, we got another beef to address, because I'm tired of getting cussed out for y'all. Cause I got cussed out by somebody that's on the season that said y'all was doing a lot of talking last episode, but my name is Mitch Curry. And I didn't hear y'all talking about Mitch. I said Mitch was looking like prom Kobe.

I'm just saying. Can I catch him? I'm just saying you, I catch him? Wait. I'm just saying you. I'm just saying me. I'm just saying. He yelled at Bryce about Bryce. He came right at Bryce.

He was in the party with his fingers in Bryce's dome like this. I better not see you not acknowledge my athleticism and skill and bucket making. Oh, Mitch himself did that? acknowledge my athleticism and skill and bucket making. He got up right now. Mitch himself did that? No, Mitch walked right up on Bryce and did that.

Oh, so it was, it was Mitch. I thought you were talking about like a fan who just loved Mitch. Who was like, no, better give Mitch his flowers. Mitch texted me and said, Byjee, first of all, Mitch texted me real shady like. He was saying, and this is why I love Mitch. Mitch said, I would have thought the buckets that I made would

would have made some air time. But OK, I said, oh, but no, Mitch killed it. And listen, whether you shoot like whoosh or whether you throw buckets like that, Mitch killed it. And so we love it. It's like that Mitch killed it. And so we love it. But we're here episode three and. Who I got some hot takes, Jack, you're the narrator.

Where you want to go? I was just like, I mean, historic tribal. We have to just dive in. We got to. We got to. We got to because. OK, sorry. I know if you're listening, skip to 2650. Right to the get to the good stuff. Okay, because we'll get those comments.

But whoa, listen, we watched tribal in San Francisco and it was so much going on. But I had an opportunity to rewatch tribal. Kevin there. Oh, just look at everyone to the left. Now, Mary, I'm gonna have to meet Mary outside too now. Maybe Mary is taller than Kevin. Tribal was crazy and I just have to get down to it. First of all, I said last week, Godfather Cedric.

Godfather Cedric called everybody in. And this was crazy to me because Cedric voted, like he essentially voted Sayow, right? Like twice, he didn't know Justin didn't have the vote. That was crazy to me. As I am watching the episode I am getting so emotional because like I am seeing sigh react to the unfolding of all of this and it's like

Ultimately Cedric did make the decision to go with sigh say sorry I keep thinking about housewives real housewives in New York and there is a sigh and I just keep saying sigh, say, sorry, I keep thinking about housewives, real housewives in New York and there is a sigh and I just keep saying sigh, but say, say, that was just a lot and there's so much to unpack there and there's so much that I wanna talk about because I have so many questions that I wanna ask our survivor, Savant Jack, but also, I wanna talk about the Cedric voting say out. But another thing, I want to talk about the Cedric voting

say out. But another thing that I really want to talk about that I want to just give props to Mary and say is that we see them going at each other. We see them all season. We see Sigh running after Mary. We see Mary eating down with her diabolical plan of like, you know what, I'ma just act like I got something and it worked. But I loved at tribal council when those two queens said, it's a game.

I know it seems like we're at each other, but I respect this queen. I loved that. Cause I feel like a lot of times in TV when we have women, we're always pit against each other. I respect this queen. I love that. Because I feel like a lot of times in TV, when we have women, we're always pit against each other. And I like the fact that they were able to say, like, hey, I know we're on opposite sides

of the team right now, but listen, I respect that she's playing the game. I like that. We don't see that often enough. And so I just, I wanna start there. It's like, I love that. Like don't see that often enough. And so I just, I want to start there. It's like, I love that. Like real recognizes real. I respect you.

I see the position that you're at and I'm going to go hard. You're going to go hard. Might not be good for the team, but like, I don't know. I just like that just as like women empowerment where it's like, we can be two dominant forces, but like it doesn't have to get nasty. It's almost a different version of last season's Rachel and Genevieve. When they were like looking for things and kind of like following each other and stuff. And it's like, yo, we are the two powerhouses out here.

It's different. But what I'm saying is it's not. Yet you can tell that there's some level of respect here. And I'd even venture to say that there's probably footage that is on the editing floor of just them being cordial around camp with each other and whatnot. I think, I don't think that would be a stretch. Go ahead, Jack. No, I like that. I mean, there was so much to unpack with this tribal.

We could literally go through like person by person, everything that led up to it, which is kind of wild. Like everyone had their own sort of involvement. For Mary, I like loved the way that she approached it. I mean, it was a difficult spot to be in. And I think her, you know, when your backs against the wall, you want to scramble, but to just be like, I just got to act cool and just play some mind games,

especially with a player like Say, who gets paranoid pretty easy. That was great. Obviously the shot in the dark worked, crazy, lucky. I got to say to Bryce, we've had this conversation before. I saw on Instagram someone posted during the episode on Eastern Time and that kind of spoiled me.

That was frustrating. Did you cuss them out? What's up? Did you cuss them out? I'm gonna keep it to my, it was someone on 47, so I was gonna keep it to myself, but. Oh. Like, God, if you're posting during the episode,

it hasn't even come out on Pacific Time, don't post about it. But I hear, this is what I'll say to you though, don't be online. Well, what, I'm just not supposed to use my, like, I use Instagram for work. Like, but this is what I'll say to you, though. Don't be online. Well, I'm just not supposed to use my like, yes. You can see it for work. Like I like I'm not doing this three hours, three hours. That's a lot of time.

It's it's after work hours. Well, just don't post like a look, a video of tribal saying, let's go, Mary. Like just post like you could. You can custom out, though. But I get cut out when I say, hey, Jack, it just post like you could. You can come out, though. But I get cut out when I just say, hey, that's a great episode. I guarantee a lot of Pacific Coast, like or even people that couldn't watch when it when it was coming out.

It's it's really I mean, the tribal after that was still amazing. So it was all good. But it's like just, you know, that was a little frustrating for me. Obviously, everything. And then so, yeah, it worked out for Mary, the shot in the dark hit. And then, I mean, there's so much to unpack with Cedric sticking with but but I mean, I don't even know where to start like say, all I say for say, love how scrappy she was. She

made a great argument. In that way. That was impressive. Justin, I think should have fought for himself harder. Granted, I heard that this, like that discussion was over an hour or whatever. So maybe he did, but it seemed like he sort of resigned himself just being like, Cedric, whatever you do, that's cool. And when the other person is like, go, go, go, you got to like fight back. So that that part of the discussion was that long. I heard that it was. I don't. But like, I mean, I mean, an hour could be a half hour. And still, that's mad long for that.

But if I'm just in the Godfather said has proven two votes and one vote that like he's locked in with you. So like, I'm not even mad. I'd say a little bit. Well, I mean, you know, anything to say, like, you've got to say some shit. But I'm not mad at first. I'm not mad at Justin and that because I don't want to be too high. Like, I want to be like, you got it.

I don't want to lie. I mean, but yeah, I guess you. Justin didn't necessarily have to fire back with the same intensity want to lie. I mean, but yeah, right. Justin didn't necessarily have to fire back with the same intensity that say was coming with, but you got to give a little bit more than be like whatever you're like, you can't just be like, I'm cool. Like basically if you're saying I'm cool with whatever you decide, you're kind of saying I'm cool if you get rid of me. And if the other person's like, you cannot let me go.

What do you think said it's going to do now? Also, I think it was a bad decision by Cedric. I think you say twice, you have to stick to your guns. If you like if you think just like, in my mind, and survivor, you have to take the information that you have in a vacuum and make the best decision. And you can't really let anybody sway now someone introduces new information that changes your mind. that's

totally valid. And obviously, Justin not having a vote might have changed his mind, but he still voted for say after he realized that Justin didn't have a vote. So once you decide that Justin's your guy and you want to keep him and you vote say, then Justin's going to be your ride or die and say now going forward is always going to have in the back of her mind that Cedric was going to let her go in my mind. So you have to make a decision, stick to your guns. But new information was entered. And I think that that was pivotal information.

And that's something that I definitely want to talk about because I love this journey. And I would love to know your opinion because I feel like in this new era, when you're going the journey journey. Oh, no. You didn't like it? I loved it. Oh my God. It was a long time. It was the OK.

Go ahead, though. I'll get back. But I give you a thought. But, Jack, Bryce, tell us how much you love the journey. Why? Oh my God, Jack. Why would I be like the one thing me and Jack is going to agree on? I felt like this remind like this was like gambling a little bit, like rolling the dice. I loved how simple but complicated it was.

I loved how it literally is like in your hands, like your advantage is in your hands, how you shake the dice, how you like. I kind of just liked it. But okay, I think it's funny this all comes back to our gambling decision. I think it's the opposite, right? The bus journeys are where a challenge or like a conundrum is presented to the players and they can go about it different ways and we see their decision making process which builds on their character and we see, you knowmaking process, which builds on their character. And we see, you know, if they're strategic,

then they're gonna make this work really well if they're good at puzzles. But if they're not, then they're gonna struggle. This is just like, yo, roll some dice. We'll see what happens. You don't even get to pick, but you might just lose your vote. Like, now a lot of people were saying

Justin was screwed over. I wanna go that far to say that. I wanna go that far to say that. But like him being forced to go on the journey, being forced to play this and then losing his vote through basically he had no decision in it. But I think luck is an element, but you should have an ability to express some sort of strategic thought or decision in the process. Okay, so this is where let me let me let me push back. I think that when you put it in that vacuum, yes, right?

Oh, you don't have any control. But what I love in my opinion of the new era is that it's not that simple. What has Jeffrey been saying? The new era is so hard. It's so different. What I what you are not considering is that the journey alone is an advantage period. It is. Yes. Yes. Yes. The journey alone is an advantage.

How you play it, whether you actually get an advantage, because everyone in the new era knows that when you go on a journey, there is a possibility for something. Right. And so it's like you are just taking the journey and isolating it. The journey don't isolate the journey. It is the whole decision process. And I think what was Kevin's biggest downfall was the lie that he told. The fact that he chose not Justin.

The fact that Balinski, Justin also, welcome to the third boot club, Justin, we are glad to have you. You are a king and we celebrate you. But Justin made a decision because he perceived that like him not having a vote, it would lessen his power or his agency. However, we clearly see that if Justin

would have told Cedric that he didn't have a vote and things still shook out the way that they shook out, Say's argument against Justin would not be as strong because Cedric would have known that going in. So I am just saying that like, so the latter portion of your argument, I fully agree with Justin. This is a just wasn't screwed because he could have told Cedric that he didn't have a vote because he could have clapped back against say and really fought for himself. That's why he wasn't screwed.

But you're talking about how much you love this journey. Then I look at the journey as an isolated event of like, what does the journey entail? It entails Justin has no say in if he gets to go on the journey. Justin has no say if he gets to compete in the challenge and Justin has no say in the outcome of the challenge because you're just rolling dice. And so to me, that's pure luck, which is part of Survivor. That's pure luck though. And I like to me, the best journeys are allow for some player expression. Best players are going to succeed and earn an advantage. The bad players are going to slip up and get a disadvantage. Those are two separate incidents.

The journey itself, where it's all luck based, don't like it. How Justin handles it after is all on him. And he didn't do the best job of that. But that doesn't speak to the journey being good or bad. I just like I want a journey where people get to showcase their abilities. And it's not just complete chance. And also, Bryce, you say how just the mere fact that you're going on a journey is an advantage. And I mean, it say how just the mere fact that you're going on a journey is an advantage.

And I mean, it can be a disadvantage, but it what? It's an opportunity, right? It's an opportunity. Yeah, like you get to meet more people and whatnot. Okay. But also you're away from your tribe on a very pivotal day when it would be good to be chopping it up with them. So before tribal too. Justin could have came back and said, he got to steal a vote. Justin like he could have said anything. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying.

It's like, But it's not an opportunity, but it's not always an advantage. And again, I agree. Sorry. I agree that Justin didn't play it all out very well. And that's partly why he went home. You can't say that, oh, Justin got fully screwed.

Justin was robbed. Like he wasn't. I think if he goes and tells Cedric what's up, they're gonna work it out. And if he sits in his chair at Tribal and says like, Cedric, like we've been ride or dies. I wanna keep riding it out in this game with you. I didn't tell you about the losing the vote,

not because I didn't trust you, but because I was worried that maybe Say would find out and then do something wonky, X, Y, Z. I think Cedric rocks with it. So that's all on Justin. But I think just the nature of the journey itself, like I said, I don't like that it was all based on luck. I like the players, but.

But I mean, as a survivor, it's luck based when you're on tribes with people. Some people are not blessed to be on tribes that fit in with other people. And then it's like a survivor. Like, so that's what I'm saying. Like, I understand. I get what you're saying. You would have some control. I do like the journeys where they're like, you know what?

I'm going to tribal tonight. I don't want to risk losing my vote. But I also kind of like just being propelled. It's like, what are you going to do? It makes it a little more exciting. It's like putting all in the house. So I get what you're saying, but. Yeah, I see what you're saying too.

And that's just, and like I said, that's why I don't think Justin was like screwed over because it's surviving. You have to expect things like that to happen. And luck is a factor. Like he got really unlucky, but I think he still could have played out of it. But yeah, just to the journey itself, like I've said it a million times, but I just wish that even if they were forced to play, that it was something that would showcase, oh,

you have some skills or you don't. It's not just, oh, you will die. I'm just saying. Wendell, what side would you fall on on this, in this debate? As far as, is this a good journey? Yeah, is this the type of journey you want to see? No, as a viewer, as a viewer, not as a player, as a viewer.

I mean, I like them mixing it up. Yeah, I like seeing different things. I don't like a hundred percent chance. I like seeing different things. I don't like 100% chance. I like seeing things where they have to apply their skills to something, but I do like them mixing things up. Jack, you're a poker player. You don't blow on a dice before you put them on a table. Whoa, no.

You don't like that. You're a dice in poker, but yeah, well, this is so funny that this comes back after last season. This is exactly why I don't consider that. I know dice and poker, but. Yeah, well, this is so funny that this comes back after last season. This is exactly why I don't consider myself a gambler, because when it's all luck-based, like I said, this is all luck-based, I don't like that. Now, if you could use statistics to hedge your odds a little bit, and the smart people would do that,

and the people that don't know that wouldn't do it, then I like that. You can use statistics. Statistically says, shaking the dice up for 45 seconds mixes it up. Yeah, but it's still random. You can mix it up. But that's using statistics.

If you, first of all, shout out to Camilla because Camilla didn't look at the dice. Camilla shook it up. Camilla spoke at the dice. Camilla shook it up. Camilla spoke to the dice. You like, call it what you want, call it what you want, but how it work out for Camilla? There's no skill involved in this game. You can shake it any which way.

Oh, listen. Not a skill game. Listen. But now you say Camilla has no skills. No. Got it. Gotille has no skills. No. No. Got it. Got it.

And it was Justin. What can I say? No, also wanna call out. It doesn't matter though, Jack, because listen, when I shake it, okay. Whoa. Whoa. The milkshake brings the boys to the yard.

So there is science to how you shake it. I wanna call out quickly too, something we haven't addressed. The irony that Bryce's winner pick, Justin, was the third boot. Listen, that's, listen, okay. It takes one to know one. Woo!

That is crazy, Bryce. That's crazy. However, I feel like I won the pool because in my opinion, the third boot is the real winner. So how crazy is that, that I predicted Justin to win, but I didn't realize that Justin won my heart. Okay, Justin won my pizza crust.

And that's worth zero points in the pool. Justin has my cow zone. And I thought that was crazy when I watched the episode. I said, wow, my winner pick is the third boot. Welcome to the illustrious, amazing third boot club, Justin. It is not how you do on Survivor. It is the person that you are. And I think that you are incredibly smart. the way that you can throw a pizza dough

up in the air and flat in a day light. Much respect to you, Justin. And welcome to the club. And in my opinion, you have one. Now let's can we jump around real quick? Well, are we do we feel good? This tribal was so historic. I'm like, I have a question. I Have a question. Yeah, let's talk a little more about tribal because all day Say was like yo, I'm worried about Mary having something Then we get to tribal as soon as Mary gets up say is like I knew it I knew it I knew it and she's talking about all that I knew it stuff,

thinking that she has like an idol or something. But I don't think that it was just that, though. And I feel like Say was saying the different variables. And for me, looking back on the episode, I feel like Cedric kind of like calmed her because Uncle Ceddie was at peace with putting Say out to the pasture. Well, okay, Wendell, you actually just sparked something in me.

One of my pet peeves is when people, something happens in a game or whatever, and people are like, I called it, I knew it. And A, right, she don't gotta. Hey, hey, hey, hey, say, say, I'm not cosigning everything this thing is about to say. Let me put that out there right now. This goes for anyone.

Jump, y'all need to jump Jack. Okay, saying she called it. I'm not stealing violence. And look saying she called it. It's not. And look, it seemed like maybe she was playing an idol ballad, but then she plays the shot in the dark and it hits and says like, I knew it. Like, how do you know we can't know that? And she's saying it partly to Justin.

And it's like, what are you telling Justin he should have done? Like, okay, you knew it. So you should have put your vote on Justin. Like, what? Wait. Like, so you should have put your vote on Justin? Like, what? Like, that doesn't make any sense. No, cause I, she, I don't like, okay. That was what I was thinking.

She be like, yo, I knew her shot in the dark was gonna hit, it's like, no, you literally could not have known that. But she was staying considerate. Like, I feel like we not, we not gonna minimize yet. It might have been we've been seeing the idol or like she could have been talking about the idol, but I also felt like she was talking about

the variables of Mary doing something that would hit. But. In her defense, all of her considerations about what happens if Justin doesn't have a vote, what happens if Mary has something, I actually loved where her head was at. And I don't think splitting the vote was a terrible idea. But when it comes down to, okay, Mary shot in the dark hits

and you're like, yo, I told you guys, okay, so what? You told Justin that you should have voted for him. And you told Cedric that like, say could have voted for Justin. So tell everybody everything all you want. It's actually boils down to her decision if she wants to split her vote or not. So if you actually knew it,

then you should have split your vote. Right? No, I mean, I hear what you're saying. That was the only thing I was saying. Watching her say I knew it, I was like, come on, sis. Like, oh, you knew that Mary was lounging out there not just so that she was getting ready to play a shot in the dark and it was gonna hit?

Yeah, we see that you didn't know it. So don't. No, that's not what you're saying. But can we talk about the real dilemma at Tribal? Okay. What was it? The real issue for me was the first round of votes, when just after two votes, they said it couldn't be done

because Justin didn't have a vote. And Cedric and Sy Sang are like, and then we got to vote again. And mind you, Justin is sitting there like, then we have to vote again and there's only two votes and Justin is still sitting there like. And Jeff has to come right like. Why aren't they playing my vote?

And then Jeff is like, hey, because this is a weird situation, I don't mean to out you Justin. You sitting over there really quiet right now. So I'm gonna have to say something. They looking at me like I can't count. But Justin, your ass had got a vote and Cedric and Say are like, what did y'all think was happening the two rounds before?

You have to, if you rewatch this episode, you have to look at the clips that they get of Justin like, now mind you, I respect Justin for just sitting in that awkwardness of like, so Justin pretended like, that was my vote. That was my vote. The real MVP was Justin for sitting in that awkwardness and the fact that Jeff had to be like, hey, you're questioning the integrity. And you know you can't question the integrity with Jeff. He's like, hey.

Just, just more than surprised than anyone. Right. Jeff was like, Justin, you want to say or you want me to say it, buddy? What you like? Yeah, that was wild. Something that brings us towards, you know, given such a... So I talked to Zach Wurttemberger about this tribal thing.

And you know, Zach is a real rules... He knows the rules better than anybody for Survivor. And he was saying that there was a violation of the rules in a way. I disagree, but I want to lay out what happened and get your guys' opinion on it. Basically when the vote retires, them giving the power to Cedric, he was disagreeing with that. He was basically saying that typically in a rock draw, it's not up to the people that are going to rocks that have to come to a unanimous decision, in this case, only Cedric, but it's actually the people that have their votes.

And usually, the people that are safe from rocks don't have a vote because they've, you know, voted for each other and it cancels out, they lose their vote. But in this instance, Say still has her vote. So the argument would actually be that Say and Cedric have to come to a unanimous decision, in which case, or Say and Justin would become safe, Cedric would go home. And so then the power would be with Say to be like, I'm voting for Justin, obviously. So Cedric, you can either vote for Justin with me or you can go home. But to me, I think they handled it the right way because either way, you're either putting all of the power

in Say's hand or you're putting all of the power in Cedric's hand. And obviously Cedric being the one who was not voted for, I think should be making that decision and not Say. But what do you guys think about that? Well, I think should be making that decision and not say. But what do you guys think about that? Well, I don't know why you're asking Wendell because for the first time ever on Survivor News, this similar scenario at this vote, I know a little something about because I

was the third boot and on a tie vote. So I think I agree with Zach normally, but I think where the caveat comes in is that the two votes are Cy and Justin. And so when you are the name that is put up, like you don't get a vote. It's normally everyone else who has a vote that is not you, because essentially you're not going to vote for yourself. So I feel like I'm with you, Jack, where they handled it correctly. I feel like in theory, what Zach is saying is right. Like whoever has a vote, but because her name, right, say because her name, her name,

Because her name, if no one is around you. That's how you can remember it. I know. But because like her name is up, like my name and Alexis were up, like we didn't, you don't get an option. So I hear what you're saying. Obviously it's funky because of Justin not having a vote is why Cedric keeps her vote. But like I said, it boils down to either in that instance, do you give

say all the power to either send Justin or Cedric home or do you give Cedric the power? And I think the reasonable answer is to give Cedric the power because nobody voted for him. But Wendell, do you have a opinion on this? This this rules discrepancy? I'm not a big I know a lot of the rules, but I will say I think the best decision is to put it in Cedric's hands in this one. Okay. And if you didn't believe that of my take of Cedric being the godfather last episode, finish your sentence. Marry and say, I'm going to make this decision, but I'm going to make it real quick. If I'm going to pick you, say, the family has to come together.

The family can't be at a disagreement. We're going to come together. We're going to squash this right now. And Sabre's like, it's done, it's done. Like, was that not a Godfather moment of Cedric being like, I'm choosing you, Justin. I'm putting the family together. It was.

Right, like because I'm putting the family together. But I think it's a bad, that's partly why I think it's a bad move by Cedric a little bit. Now I respect him trying to bring people together, but in that moment, obviously Say is going to tell you that she's down to the... See, that's where I feel like Survivor sometimes transcends and I feel like after we just had this moment of these ladies saying, hey, I respect her, but I'm going against her. We see how emotional say is getting.

Like I can't, like I'm shocked by this Cedric. I can't believe I've told you everything. I've laid every, like you can say whatever you want about me, you can say I talk a lot. You can say I make crazy faces. But what you can't say is that you haven't known every move that I have made. And I feel like her getting emotional

and him putting that on the line, I feel like, I don't know a lot. And you know, I don't know past this episode from my own experience, but I feel like as a good judge of character, I feel like this is something that would cement you together in this moment. So I hear what you're saying, but I'm just saying, I feel like that through all that emotion, and you see Mary consoling Cedric, like I know this is a hard decision.

You see Mary touching, say, like, I know this is hard right now. So I like again, Survivor is a game of luck. It's a game of strategic. It's a game of numbers, but it's also a game of like people. And I feel like in that moment, that was a very human moment. And I would bet after that, they work together to the end. Oh, I, I disagree. I think so. I hear you. So I think Say of anybody in this tribe played

the best this episode. And the way that she fought at the tribal council was she deserves all the kudos for saving herself. But like I said, if I'm Cedric, of course, Say is being smart here. Of course you're going to say like, I'll die for Mary. Like, keep me in and I'll do anything. Like that's not where we like, oh, the deed is done. That's say being like, yo, my back's against the wall and I need to save myself and say whatever it takes to do. Which as she should.

But obviously if I was like, I believed it. Yeah, if I was like, Bryce, if you wanna stay in, you gotta make it up with you got to make up with Wendell. You guys got to stop fighting over over these events. And you for a million bucks, you'd be like, Wendell, I love you. Of course, you're my brother.

Like after that, I know. I know. But like, it would be interesting. What if Mary, you know, being safe at this tribal was like, I don't think I could rock with say like, do you think Cedric would be like, All right, Mary said she doesn't like you, you're out. But Mary could have done that though. Like Mary absolutely could have done that.

And that would have then gotten rid of say, I don't know. But that's why I believe this bond because if the venom that Mary had were say was so right, she could have. So, yeah, I don't know. It would have been ballsy. It would have been ballsy. You're on an island already and then someone's extending to be like, yeah, get rid of it.

That would be a crazy call for Mary to try to make. But it would have been funny. Well, Wendell, what do you think about that? I don't know, like, about how Cedric handled it about Say's response. I think when Say laid it on him, she convinced him. I think when he's like, oh yeah, Justin did keep information from me, he lied to us. This is my guy.

I'm willing to change my opinion right now. But isn't that the right thing to do? Like would you not do that in that situation? I don't know what I would do in that situation. I don't know what I would do. But I do think that when you get new information, you should be allowed to change your opinion on things. Yeah.

Now. So I'm not hard set against Cedric changing his mind. To me, the new information component, super valid, right? You get new information, you can change your mind. I actually think that's a good thing. If you don't change your mind when new information comes around, you're being sort of obtuse. But here, I felt like that new information came during that first revote.

Maybe Cedric didn't realize that. Cedric knew and still sort of rocked with, even after Jeff was like, you know, Justin, I gotta say, you don't have a vote. Cedric, like, it's up to you. And at first he was like, so he had that information to me and then made his decision,

but then Se comes in and is like making this very compelling argument that, oh, your number one ally didn't tell you. That's not new information, but that's Say convincing Cedric and doing it for you. He's doubling down. He's doubling down and she's also saying, hey, look, I've been rocking with you.

I've been solid with you. He hasn't. She's just doubling down on it. Oh, but it's great from Say. It's great work from Say, but that's not new info. That's Say convincing him. If you have all the information and you make your decision, but then you can be swayed, then I think that's where it's a gray area. Because I think after you write Say's name down, then you, I think him keeping Say in general, totally valid. But I think after you write Say's name down, then I think him keeping Say in general, totally valid. But I think writing her name down twice and then switching back is a little shakier, right?

I agree, but that's where I feel like Cedric did not know Justin didn't have a vote. Because in what world would he write her name down knowing that like that for me is my sticking point where it's like why the new information is so important. Because it's like, yo, you held off on this information, knowing that some funny stuff is going to happen.

Agreed. But like, agree. But speaking in the order of events, the revote happens again. It's a tie. Jeff says, Justin, you know, given the circumstances, I got to tell everybody you don't have a vote. So now Cedric, the power is in your hands. And at first, Cedric's like, Justin's my guy. I've been rocking him since day one. So I'm sorry, Say. Like, I'm going to have to. He had decided to still get rid of Say having that new information. But then Say comes in and says, but I didn't I shared everything with you like just and then say convinces him. But that's not new information at that point because Cedric when he first picked say to get rid of knew that information. We don't have to say it's new information. We just have to say say laid it on him and

was like, yo, I'm rocking with you. He has it. She threw it. She threw him under the bus a little more and she elevated her a little more. But that's what I'm saying, because I think it's a great job from say. But for Cedric, because there's no new information there, do you think it's good that he got convinced or should he have stuck to his guns? My question is, and whenever the season is over, I would love to know his reasoning behind it, because if I want to know when he figured out that Justin didn't have a vote, because if I want to know when he figured out that Justin didn't have a vote, because this one matters to me if he didn't know and

he still was just trying to get say out or if he was being the godfather and being like the dad that he says he is to say and driving the point home to be like, I know that you're going to have to vote for Justin and we can get him out. But if I don't vote for Justin and vote your name down, then we get to this stalemate. Then I can actually come to this conclusion where it's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, I told you not to play with fire. Like almost like teaching her a lesson. Like, listen, your behind was almost gone. Now this is my plan moving forward.

I want you and Mary, get it together. Like, and then- I don't think he had that pre-plan, right? Cause he seemed ready to let Say go. And then Say did an excellent job of convincing him to keep her, which like I think say in that moment did everything 100% right. I'm just questioning should Cedric have, because

it wasn't like he planned out, oh, I'm going to give say like a little like, I don't know that second vote. I feel like that could have been no, he wasn't planning to teach her a lesson with with these votes. It was more so he felt something when she was pleading to him. That could have been when he felt this father daughter thing. He felt something when this young woman is pleading her case to him and saying, yo, I've been there, which that's how I felt. And I was like, damn, all right, he's holding her down right now. And I understand it.

Well, listen, and I love Cedric. And again, I think that this is a great move. But I had to be honest. Godfather Setti, looking at you, look, you got the side eye now. You do, because I'm giving Setti the side eye. But in the most diabolical way, that is good. Because I feel like his decision at that point to keep Justin and get rid of Say was like, listen, hey, I love Say, but it's bumpy.

Justin, my guy, and we're rocking out, right? So that's what I'm saying. It's like, I'm not mad at how Setti was thinking. And again, it's like. Setti playing and for him to backtrack and then make this moment, I'm just saying Uncle Setti is playing, whether people see it or not. I said it last episode and I said it when I got off the plane today to Wendell. I said, how crazy would it be if Setti joins the ranks of the Vespia, Jeremy Collins, and for SETI to potentially be an Earl Cole,

for SETI to be potentially the fourth black winner. Mary Ann. What about, what, what? You know, the, the den, the Wendens not gonna be happy. You know what? The Wendens is about to, the Wendens about to eat you up, Bryce.

All two of them are gonna, are gonna pull on you. Whoa. So, but yeah, regardless, the way Setti pivoted, the way that Setti was ready to chop and move forward, I'm not mad at it. But can we talk about something else that I've been dying to chop and move forward. I'm not mad at it. But can we talk about something else that I've been dying to talk about? Yeah. The bonfire. Star didn't even get an invite.

OK, OK. Where? OK, question number one, where was Star? First of all, everybody said, where was Star? Y'all know where Star was at. Try to figure out the combination. Oh, God. Like, actually, that's probably what she was doing. Right.

They're all on the beach, I gotta go crack the cuddle. Star was like, give me extra 15 minutes. I'm gonna go look for some wood. Star's like, the light is is helping hold the parchment up. Okay, I we need to talk about Eva. But before we talk about Eva, I want to talk about Joe. I love Joe. I think Joe is like amazing. But I feel like after seeing the players that we have on this tribe, right? Like we see how diabolical Thomas is.

We see Thomas actually thinking, hey, I want to work with Star. We see Star bringing information to Bianca and Thomas. We see my Persian husband wanting to work with Star, right? Like I am nervous for Joe. I love the fact that he was like, I want to build this bonfire to bring everyone together and show them like love.

But I, and again, I love Joe, but I like, I feel like that's too much eyes. That's too much like leadership. That's too much like love because I feel like, but I love Joe and I like, I would appreciate it, but me as like the viewer, it makes me nervous because I'm like, Joe. It's too visible.

It's too visible. It's too, and I feel like this is who Joe is. It's too nice. It's too like, you're like, it just made me nervous. What does y'all think about that? And is that a hot take? Well, I'll say this, Bryce. There was a point on Ghost Island

when I was building so much and doing so much, and I had that feeling. The feeling that you're saying about Joe, how you feel about Joe is how I felt about my game. I was like, look, I know I'm doing the most right now and it's gonna get me sniped. And fortunately, back then I squeaked through and I had protection, but yeah, this Joe,

if they don't pick him off, it's gonna be his right-hand lady. What did you think about the bonfire before we go to Eva? Oh, I mean, I thought it was a fun scene, but yeah, I thought it was less about the bonfire. I wish Star was there, but I feel like stars starting. I want to be there. I'm starting to.

Yeah, I'll be up here. The stars come out later at night. You know what I mean? So as the sun is going down, stars starting to brighten. But yeah, I mean, I just, I love Thomas. I love Shaheen. I like Bianca a lot. And so I just think it's so funny,

Eva doing something so genuine and wholesome, because I'm very cynical as well. And so I love that Thomas's first reaction was like, you're going to give him a bracelet for his daughter? You got to go. Did you see Shaheen and Thomas, the eye look in the actual moment? I don't know if I did. I don't know if I did.

But I know that obviously talked about it. And Thomas's, I feel like that his thinking is so similar to kind of what I would be thinking. And it's so fun because he's so honest. And it's like it is villainous. But it's that that great con where it's like, it's not personal. It's just all like, and it's so funny to where you can't be mad at it. I mean, I'm sure there's gonna be some Thomas haters, but I'm team Thomas so I'm one of those leaders and

It is interesting with Eva right where like us as viewers We know a lot of behind the scenes. We know a lot of her background but I also feel like this is one of the things where it's like she isn't sharing and It's like, she isn't sharing, and it's her right to disclose, right? But it's like, the reason that we as viewers and that she has shared with us is that like, she doesn't want people to like hold that against her

or like feel like it can be used against her. But also like in situations like this, where if people had more knowledge, I think that they will look at it a little differently. And so it's like, that's where like the dilemma of Eva's game comes in that where it's like, oh my God, this is like the nicest thing ever. Like I'm on the plane crying, like, you know,

thinking about, but I'm also thinking like, Eva, just put it in his pocket, hand it to him, like, you know what I mean? Like, but it's like, but as Eva, like, and we, she just wants to make this gesture. It was so interesting. And also I think like even with Eva going to star, I thought that that was like such an interesting scene

where Eva is like, she has told us, she, it's hard for her to tell like social cues and when people are lying, right? But also it's like, it's such an interesting and complex conversation because on Survivor, right? Like there is lying and then there is like- Deception. Deception. And then there is like, I'm lying because I'm lying, not because I'm lying. And so like Eva, again, and my first of all, I love you. It was like my little sister in my head.

And I love the way that Eva, like how she narrates it where it's like, OK, I know you got I know because you ain't tell me, Jack. But Wendell told me that you got, I know because you ain't tell me Jack, but Wendell told me that you got the idol. So now I'm a, I'm a be the lie detector and I'm a go to you and say, hey, mind you, we, me and Jackie, we ain't talk all season. And now I'm gonna come up to you and say, hey Jack, let me ask you a question.

Yeah. You be going for a lot of the day. I don't know where you be at. Have you found the idol? Well, it's survivors. So you know I'm gonna look for the idol. But I haven't found anything. And so like, then Eva's like, ha, you're lying.

I can't trust you. But also, it's like, Eva, girl, you didn't trust her going in. Exactly. Exactly. So it's like this. But this is why I love Survivor, and this is why I love the season, because it's like, it opens up these conversations where it's like, yes, Eva, we understand that sometimes your social cues

aren't on, but also, like, in this, bitch, I we understand that sometimes your social cues are on, but also like in this bitch, I don't know if my social cues are on because it's like, I like, what are you supposed to do in this situation? You know, I, you articulated that really well, Bryce, cause Eva, I like her, her, her mindset of being like, okay, I'm not good at telling when people are lying to me. Let me take a fact that I know and see if they'll say it or not. Because then I know for a fact that they're lying or not.

But, and she goes in and does that with Star who she hasn't been talking to. And when Star is lying, she's like, gotcha, like Star doesn't like me. Like, I figured it out. She really should just be going to like, try to build some trust with Star. Right.

It doesn't have to be like, Oh, I caught you. It can just be like, let me go throw out an olive branch first, you know? So maybe you learn that someone doesn't trust you, but you could be learning that a lot of people don't trust you and be feeling good. And all of a sudden they just vote you out. So I think you explained that situation really well, Bryce. Because it looked good. She went about it the right way in terms of learning that she's lying, but maybe she shouldn't be trying to learn that people are lying to her. Maybe she should just be trying to build some

connections with people. But also, it's great because, again, like what Eva has shared with us, we see a portion of how like she thinks, right? But also I feel like in this moment, we should be giving Star credit because I feel like the way Star answered it was like the door isn't closed. Right. If you don't talk to me,

what am I supposed to tell you that I just found? Like that's not a bad lie. Like, yeah. But also it's like, again, we know know what we know about Eva's game, right? Like, I feel like it's almost like Eva. She now has like the lines are drawn in the sand, right? And so it's like, OK, I'm not working with you. And so I love that because it's like kind of been not beneficial,

but it's like we both know what's up. And so it's just like this nuance that I think is just so interesting. But also, again, like I said before, like watching it, I'm like, well, damn, what is the right answer? Because I feel like if Star would have said, I do have it, I wonder what it would have looked like for Eva and that point, like, can we work together?

Or would have been like, but you didn't tell me and I already knew. So it's just, it's like, it's really- Either way, it would be bad, huh? Yeah, a star should never tell, right? Like, cause a star obviously doesn't know that all this word got out. And so if you haven't, if you in your mind,

you haven't told that many people and the person that you want to work with the least just pulls up on you and is like, yo, have you found anything? You should never tell them that you found something, right? But, okay, now this is where my mind works, right? Because I also feel like Eva is a hockey player. And I also feel like in a very diabolical way, I feel like Eva had this conversation with Star

to let her know, like, I know what's up. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I felt like it's almost like when you're, like, think about hockey. Like, hockey is a very physical sport. You check in, like, and what do they call it when you like throw them up against the ice?

Like, what is that? Like, I don't know what that's called. Yeah, check in. Like, I feel like, I feel like Eva checked Star a little bit here. Like, she got the, Eva got the puck, like what you gonna do with it? And Star was like, I don't know it. Eva said, boom, I know where you at.

Like, I don't know, I just feel like. The thing is, I don't know if Star's the one you wanna check, like. Right. And we see after some momentum starts to build with Bianca, Thomas and star. And, you know, ultimately, Bianca loses her vote. So that can be really difficult. But Thomas has a steal about so Thomas wants to go with that trio. They hold all the power.

And so I feel like Eva's getting a little bit excited about the fact that she's sort of clocked and checked star. But what she's actually done is sort of made it a Eva Star thing and that's not where you really want to be. Right and my last diabolical Thomas that I just love and love and love like not the Bianca and Thomas thing where Bianca is like, I actually was kind of scared to tell you that I lost my vote, but I had to tell you. And then like Thomas's confessional was like the best where it's like, huh, thank you for telling me, but I ain't telling y'all nothing.

Like it's like Thomas, I know Jeff said we're not casting villains and Thomas isn't a villain, but like I love the venom that Thomas is spewing and it's amazing and it's like the best thing ever. The way that it builds the anticipation that I am looking to see how all of this is gonna play out is crazy. And Bryce, in a season and in an era

where so many people share so much, you have this one guy receiving information and being like, nope, I'm keeping my information locked up. Thomas is going a long way in this game. I hope. Absolutely. I hope. All of this actually sort of, I'm always of the mindset that if you get something, you don't share it until you have to.

But I actually like nowadays, like kind of what Camilla did. Right. I think after a journey, right? Cause say you get to the merge after lying about what happened on your journey. Well, someone over on green told everybody a story and someone over on orange told everybody a story and your story is just not, there's no way to know if hands or butts about it,

your story is not going to line up. And so then not only are people going to be suspicious of you, they're also going to be knowing that you lied. And so I feel like after a journey to just be like, I got, maybe you don't say a steal a vote, but maybe you say I got an extra vote. And it's and you say, hey, this is something that we if we get to the merge as a group can use. That's helpful in a way, but also helpful in the sense that if I know someone in my tribe has a steal vote, I know it's going to be really hard to go against them. And so I think in a way that that sort of brings everyone into you,

because all Thomas needs is two people. And he's good. So if you've if you if you aren't in that two, you're in trouble. And so you might as well try to get in that too. And I think it actually opens up more opportunities in a way same with like a block of vote. Like, now, if I lose my vote, I don't necessarily know if I would tell people I lost my vote. Um, cause then that could help. It's sort of the opposite reason. Oh, you don't have a vote. It's easier to go after you. Um, I think an idol you keep to yourself until you have to say anything. But after a journey, it's like, I don't know. What do you, do you guys think it's good to be straight up?

I think you should follow the precedent. Like I think Camilla, what she did was right. But I also think in this new era, when there is a journey every day, I think it gives you a little more leeway to lie, because I feel like what is fresh on people's memory? Like, I don't think that like, say, there are three more journeys. I don't think when we merge, people are going to be questioning the details of Bianca's journey.

But I also feel like there's going to be so many other journeys and so many other things that happen that like maybe they will, but I feel like there will be other things that you can draw on. So I feel like it gives me a little more leeway to like, maybe I can lie. And here's another thing. I wasn't mad at Thomas's lie. I thought Thomas's lie about the journey was kind of solid a little bit. I agree, but do you worry that he gets to the merge? See, I think you get to a merge. I'm sitting down with some people and be like, what did so and so say about their first journey?

What was the second journey? What was the third journey? And then you're gonna know what doesn't add up. And that's a conversation, especially if you're bored out there, that's maybe a 45 minute conversation that you can have. But that's what I will say. Let's get there though. Like you know like right so it's like. But that's what I'm a little bit worried about Thomas my winter pick I'm a little worried he's going to get to the merge and people are going to start comparing notes oh Thomas

lied about this oh maybe Thomas lied about this or this and then all of a sudden everyone's like yo Thomas is a snake and I love it but everyone's like, yo, Thomas is a snake. And I love it, but it's like, he could be on some people's radar. Then he gonna use that still a vote, okay? Then you gonna really learn what the snake look like. Whoa. I mean, Wendell, what do you think about, like you go on a journey, say you go,

say your tribe is still a tribe of six or five, whatever, you go on a journey and say you get an extra vote. Do you go back and just tell people that or do you come up with a story? I would like to hope that I can come up with a story. I would like to come up with a story. And then what about, I mean, obviously you get to the merge and you have this problem, it's a good problem to have,

you're at the merge, but what about a fee-bar? You're at the merge with your numbers. You're at the merge and you have this problem, it's a good problem to have, you're at the merge. But what about if you are like, you're at the merge with the numbers, you're at the, you're on a tribe that's winning a lot, you're at the merge with numbers and a steal vote. Yeah, y'all are comparing and contrasting, but your tribe is sticking together. But I also feel like in these new journeys, right? Like the lie doesn't have to be that elaborate, right?

Like I feel like the lie could have just been like for this actual situation. I got three. Maybe I did get a silly vote. I could just say I lost my vote or like I didn't win anything, right? Because that's still kind of like on the, I feel like I'll lie, but don't tell a lie. Well, the lie is going to work with your tribe. I think if you do it right, like Thomas's lie was good. Like, Oh, say it was always Bianca tribe, I think, if you do it right. Like Thomas's lie was good. Like, oh, say it was always Bianca's like, oh, it was an old challenge, really hard. So immediately I knew I recognized it was difficult. I said no way. Sure.

But even like I worry about, you know, there's people sitting out. If you're on the sit out bench, do I turn to you and be like, so what did he say about his journey? And then, oh, that's not what my person said. Like somebody's lying. I don't, I can't. Say we all went on that journey, right? And say we all like, and say I said,

when I got there, it said, you can go a step further and you can risk all rolling the dice. And if you get two, you know what I'm saying? Like say I add a little bit, like, would y'all believe that? Like if I were like, when I got there, it said, if you get two fires, you can roll. I think whatever anyone tells me coming back to camp, I'm just going to sort of be like, OK, and just kind of be like they

could have they could have like anything could be true. Like I'm not going to just hundred percent buy anything anyone tells me. And I'm not gonna be bad at them if they lie. Like it is what it is. And some people might, but like to me, okay, you go on your journey, you got an extra vote and you don't wanna tell everybody at camp. Obviously, like that doesn't mean you're a deceitful player.

Like that's just is- Right, and also y'all make it later in the game. It's like, yo, you know, you know I couldn't share that with y'all at that point. Like, all right, you know, I got it. All right, cool. Let's keep moving. What comes with Cedric and a say moment with a Thomas

where like leaving that little bit of information out could be detrimental at one point in time, depending on how it's like weaponized. Now, do we think with Thomas and Bianca's conversation, was this the time for Thomas to come clean to Bianca? Should you be telling your number one about a steal vote? No. Your number one, like that person might not be your person at another point.

I agree about that with like an idol, but I think that if I get to the merge and I'm Bianca and I hear that and I figure out that Thomas was lying, then that raises a lot of red flags in a way. I don't know. But I feel like this is what I respect about Thomas's game. I guess Bianca is his number one, but everybody's expendable. Oh, I respect it, too. I like I love Thomas's mentality to not share anything is really refreshing and how I think people should generally be playing.

But I just mean, right? Yeah. And if a woman were to do this, too, I would love it as well. I mean, yeah. You guys are quick to forget that 47, how highly it spoke of Genevieve, of Rachel. I just wanna put that out there. Where's the end now? Early on, I was saying Rachel,

I said Rachel and Genevieve were both contenders early on. You were big on Andy, you was big on. I wasn't big on Andy, I gave Andy a lot of flack. I was big on Sam. You gave Gabe in the basement, you was big on. I wasn't big on Andy. I gave Andy a lot of flack. I was big on Sam. You gave in the basement. You was big on. I was giving gave all. So anyone can get some crap.

I was getting like, look, it's, and I said early, I said in our preseason coverage, last season early on, I said, this is a, last season early on, I said, I think a woman is gonna, this is a woman's season to win. Rachel ended up winning. I said, I think the women look a lot stronger than a woman's season to win. Rachel ended up winning. I said, I think the women look a lot stronger

than the men in this cast. Was that, that was correct. This season, our preseason coverage, our draft, I said, I think it's gonna swing a man's direction this season and that's not, I just think there's a lot of, you know, strong male players this season. Last season I thought there's more strong female players. So, you know, you can try to paint,

paint whatever light you want on me. Who was your winner pick at the start of the last season? I don't know. I don't think I made a winner pick. You did. Sam? It wasn't Sam. I didn't pick Sam. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. No, I definitely picked a woman.

No. When we did a draft, I said, I think a woman's going to win the season. I think it, I said, I think a woman's going to win the season. I think it might have been a woman's going to win. But you picked that you the winner pick that you pick started. Their name started with an M and ended with a E. Who? Mail. Oh, no, no, I think I pick Genevieve.

I think I picked Genevieve last season. Genuinely, why would I say I think a woman's gonna win and then not pick a woman? Doesn't make any sense. I'm just- I think I picked Miss Thomas. Listen, I'm not mad. Like I-

And look, also, you know, with, Survivor, fortunately, is so diverse these days. A lot of times the people I'm rooting against are gonna be like something, you know? Like, I'm rooting for, you know, what do you mean? Like, I'm not, the people I'm rooting for the most this season are like Kyle and Thomas. So, you know, what do you want me to say?

I would like to say. Oh, go ahead, tell him. No, go ahead, no. Just wanted to say. I like that. Oh, go ahead. Tell them. No, go ahead. No, you. I just wanted to change gears real quick and briefly say that the challenge, the blindfolded challenge where you ran through

this obstacle course and ended with a puzzle, we did something extremely similar on Ghost Island. I thought that challenge was amazing. That's a fun one. You need a good communicator, right? Okay, okay. And when David was grabbing them bags, I was the bag, okay?

Untie me, David, okay? Are you trying to be a stay at home mother of four, Bryce? No, I'm not. I'm trying to be a, and I mean this with love and respect. I'm trying to be a trailer queen, okay? I'ma meet you where you at, King. As you choose. I'ma grow grass, okay? I'ma mow your daddy grass, okay?

I'ma meet you where you're at. I feel like every time these blindfold challenges happen, everyone is getting like, but they love to keep doing them. But do you guys like the blindfold challenges? Now, can we talk about Joe? Because what the hell was that? Because if that's not cheating, Joe is a X-Man.

That was smart. Joe is a, Joe said. He knew where he had to go. Joe said. Joe said. Am I here? I'm here. I was like, what is going on?

Well, I think he just remembered where he had to go at the start and just visualized it and just sent it. And I, again, my love for Joe goes up, but like, if I'm watching that from my own team or from somebody else's team, I'm like. You got X-ray vision. That man has a problem. He got low to the ground.

He kept his arms out. He said, 10 foot left. Move forward straight. To the right. Down low. What I also was cracking up was that like, when people went back, did you like,

I don't know if I grabbed a shot of it. When people went back, when they went under this thing, I was cracking up how like, some people went back under it. Like you could just walk around it. You probably have to go through it. I've seen people walk around it. Is it, is it, is in front of Jeff though, on the side, is that not a block, like a blockade in front of Jeff?

Kind of looks like. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. You got rid of the image. I don't know. But listen, I just want to say that it is an honor and it's a privilege to welcome. My man. Balinski, to the Third Boot Club. I think that he is a great player. I think that sometimes luck isn't always on our side, but I feel like these last three

episodes I've been saying nothing about how I like the way that he's been moving. I like the way that he's been flexible. I like the way that he's been moving. I like the way that he's been flexible. I like the way that he's been going with the flow. And sometimes the cards aren't on our favor. But if I were to roll the dice, I would roll the dice for him. And I think that he's a great addition to the illustrious third boot club. Oh. Yeah, yeah, we thought we could see like.

We thought we could see him going far. Yeah, yeah, and he was none of our picks for the third boot either, so we're all still. Even on that, Justin was my winner pick and I think that he played a great game and I hope that he keeps his head up high and I hope that he knows that he's a legend in his own right. You should get minus points for your winner pick being the third boot.

No, you should get bonus points because the third boots are actually the winners of the season, but it's always great to be here with the baby boys. And it's just us. I feel like we are in the wind den, but next week we will be in Nashville for the BWP. 48 tickets are available. We are slated to have an all-star cast. We've got Owen, we've got Hugh, we've got Sam,

we've got some of our Trader family. We've got some of the Circle coming. It is going to be amazing. We've got our, we've got some of our trader family. We've got some of the circle coming. It is going to be amazing. We've got our girl Figgy. And after Nashville, we will be in Chicago April 2nd. We will be in Austin April 23rd. Tickets are available at BryceandWin.com. Get up on the rodeo with us and enjoy this amazing season.

Super excited to be here with the baby boys, Wendyzy and Jack. Thank you for joining us. Any last words before we settle on up? Whoa, shout out to Mary. Genuinely that, genuinely. You still got to meet her after school. Well, thank you so much for tuning in

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