RHAP: We Know Survivor - Reacting to the Survivor 50 Tribes w/ Mike Bloom

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Reacting to the Survivor 50 Tribes w/ Mike Bloom Survivor 50 is here, and the kickoff of the preseason brings Rob Cesternino and Mike Bloom together to break down the brand new cast and tribe divisions. In this in-depth preseason preview, Rob and Mike go tribe by tribe through Survivor 50’s three big groups, discuss returning legends and new era standouts, and tease how former alliances, rivalries, and hidden dynamics might spark fireworks on day one. The conversation starts with the hosts sharing their first reactions to seeing the finalized tribes of eight, revealing how the old school vs new school split has evolved into a more nuanced blend. Throughout the episode, Rob and Mike preview the cast—Sole Survivor winners like Savannah and Kyle, returning icon Cirie Fields, the unpredictable Q, and fan-favorite strategists like Christian, Jenna Lewis, and Genevieve. The hosts explore the possible impact of pre-existing relationships, speculate about alliance possibilities, and highlight players’ motivations as they return to the game—some after decades away, others barely weeks off their last adventure. – Christian’s approach to “narrative warfare” and playing as a new parent – Cirie’s hunger for a win despite playing almost every reality format – The strategic puzzle of mixing old school, new school, and new era players within each tribe – Pre-game relationships: Who’s got history, who might find themselves on the outs, and which duos or trios are split across tribes – Funny and revealing moments, like Rob’s Survivor 50 “FOMO,” Kamilla’s notorious bluffing, and Q’s larger-than-life return As Rob and Mike walk through each tribe’s roster—from classic Survivor legends like Colby, Ozzy, and Coach to new challenges posed by 49er wildcards Rizo and Savannah—they ponder: Will pre-merge chaos help or hurt the game’s icons? Can savvy social and strategic play outweigh challenge strength on these super-sized tribes? Chapters: 0:00 Survivor 50 Preseason Kickoff 6:14 Breaking Down Survivor 50 Format 12:21 Tribe Lineups and Cast Strategies 17:28 Christian and Cirie Return Insights 22:24 Old Schoolers Versus New Era 28:31 Navigating Preseason Relationships 36:00 Kamilla, Joe, and Challenge Threats 43:40 Mike White’s Survivor Return 51:00 Tiffany’s Underrated Second Chance 1:00:46 Q’s Wildcard Energy Emerges 1:08:55 Genevieve and Rizo’s Social Game 1:17:16 Colby and Stephenie’s Comebacks 1:24:45 Survivor 50 Preseason Interviews Launch Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Sustradino, back with you for the first time. Here we can say in the Survivor 50 preseason. And we are finally going to get to talk about so many new things here today, including the three tribes that we will see in Survivor 50. And to break it all down with us, everything that we know at this hour, of course, man who went to Fiji is Mr. Preseason. So connected to everything.

Give it up for Mike Bloom. Rob, believe it or not, by my count, it's been about eight months since most of the Survivor 50 cast. It's been 84 years. Exactly. But we have truly found the heart of the ocean here in these 24 players. And, uh, you know, people were waiting. That was a necklace.

That was like, uh, you know, I'm giving up my necklaces. Wow, who would have thought? Eric Reichenback, you know, maybe he was doing it in an honor of Old Rose in Titanic. But regardless, we've got some Titanic coverage coming. Finally, we are back, much like the Billy Elish Boomerang Idol. We always come back, Rob, and we are here to finally be able to tease a bit of what I have up my sleeve with this cast. Okay, we're so excited to get the chance to talk about all this. And I'm really looking forward to digging into these tribes because I have.

have been saving myself, okay? You know, there's some people in this world where it's like, they can't wait to open the presents. And it was online for, you know, from the summer of like, here are the tribes for Survivor 50. I said, ah, shield my eyes. I never looked at it. Like, I, like, very, like, anecdotally, like, heard things here and there.

I have gone so out of my way to not even look at this because I wanted to, come into this fresh. So I just quickly looked at the tribes before we came on here. But I'm so excited to get the chance to really talk about all this because I try to save my bullets for the podcast. Yeah. And listen, you got plenty of ammunition here because we'll get into the three tribes of eight people. We'll talk about, you know, preexisting relationships, be they good or bad. And I think we'll do a nice cross comparison here, Rob, because to tease a little bit of all. the praises and interviews that I am doing. In each of my interviews, I have each person run down every single member of the cast.

I play a game with them called friend or foe. So we'll be able to do a lot of cross comparison as to who is seeking out whom as either an ally or an enemy. Okay. Well, Mike, I know that you have so much planned. Do you want to just give us a little bit of the rundown of what should the Rob as a podcast listener expect here now that we are officially kicked off the Survivor 50 preseason. Well, luckily, unlike another CBS reality show, we should not expect the unexpected here

because we are using a very similar cadence as if you checked out our coverage of especially 48 and 49 last year. We're pretty much copying and pasting the exact same rollout. So we are going to be releasing these preseason interviews tribe by tribe. We're going to be reviewing this group tribe by tribe. So get a bit of a sense as to how these interviews are going to be released. We'll be releasing them in alphabetical order by first name to a day. Now, we are starting that to quote a close ally of one of the people we'll be speaking about very soon. Today, we are actually going to be starting this afternoon with our first two preseason interviews. But otherwise, every day you should expect two interviews to drop into your podcast feed in the morning in

one big podcast form. And then the video versions will be available starting around 10 a.m. Eastern here on the YouTube channel. So we're going to do, because it's tribes of eight, we're going to go two, two, two, two, two, so four days of interviews. And then we take a break, you and I stop down, and we do a bit of a recap. Rob, we get your thoughts about each of those eight interviews. And again, this is when we do a bit of these cross comparisons and talk about, okay, based on what we heard, who do we think is going to vibe with whom? Who'd we think is in trouble early on here. Even more, you know, details to get into given the fact that this is a returning player

season. And there's a lot of perceptions that are baked into that. So it's going to be basically four days on, one day off with a tribe preview. And then we'll rinse and repeat for the other two tribes. Yeah. I'm really looking forward to hearing all of these interviews. And now that the preseason stuff is coming out, I really do have a lot of FOMO because I really wanted to be there in Fiji.

and I'm not talking about as a player at the point where, you know, I was contacted. It did not work out for me to go to Survivor 50. But then I did pivot to, hey, I'm going to go to Fiji and I'm going to do the press for Survivor 50. And that really, I felt like that would have been such a highlight in my career to go and do that. I've always wanted to do that. and the people at CBS were generous enough to give me that opportunity to go and do that. And then I had to very sheepishly say, hey, you know that thing that I begged you to let me do? And you said yes.

And like, I can't make it. I have a thing. You had to go see some sheep in Scotland. Right. the logistics of the Survivor 50 and the traders was it was very close and there was a universe where I could have gone to Fiji and then even potentially like been home for a day or gone directly to Scotland to go do the traders but I call that like the Savannah Rizzo method basically yeah I just I ran that past my wife who tends to be like I'm like is this crazy

And you're like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? So. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I could definitely speak that. Obviously having your presence out there would have been absolutely incredible, especially given some of your connections to both the old schoolers and new era here. That being said, I love these trips.

It's one of my favorite things I get to do with this job. These things fry you. We will also get into it. I came back with a considerable number of bumps and bruises from some of the stuff I was doing out there. I've seen some video of you, Mike, from your trip to Fiji. Well, I was bumping more so. You know, in hindsight, I guess, like, what could have gone worse in terms of, like,

how the traders worked out? I mean, to be, to be fair, we might have actually been heading back to the mainland at the same time considering how everything timed out. Yeah. But anyway, you know, it was super fun to go do the traders. But I would love to, you know, one day if it worked out, it would be, you know, a real thrill to do something like that. But, okay, let's talk.

about what you did. And so are we going to do this and we're going to talk about a tribe at a time? Yeah, I think what we'll do is that we'll look at the tribe. I'll do sort of like teasers about what to expect from my interviews with each of them. Maybe just give people a bit of a refresher as to who the people are on the cast of Survivor 50. And then I think we'll sort of go back, talk about these eight people as a whole and talk about on the whole, you know, what do we think are some of the relationships that stick out one way or the other?

What are we to expect from this group? And these are going to be a lot of my first reactions to we've talked about who was on the cast a million times. I think we're past all that. Who should be there? Who shouldn't be there? Who were the snubs? Now I think it's really talking about how do at least, and I have not absorbed any of your work or any of the great Survivor Press Corps. There's going to be so many interviews that are out there.

There was a lot of us out there. So check out all the great work everyone's doing. I have not absorbed any of that yet. This is just my first reactions to who's on what tribes and how is that all going to work. All right. Well, Rob, in honor of the glimmer that you present here, I think it makes sense that we start with our tribes here with a tribe that I believe in Fijian means to shine, which makes sense. This is a group of absolute stars.

So we are going to start with our orange tribes. So I guess even before we get into this, three tribes of eight. this was something that was certainly speculated, especially with the 24-person cast. This is something that we haven't seen as a survivor fandom since the very first season of Australian Survivor. What do you think about this?

Because obviously, there are a lot of very understandable nitpicks about the three-tri-tri-Format. We are expanding it out now to like basically the old-school eight-person tribe sizes. Yeah, I really was surprised that that's what they ended up doing because I remember there was that Friday night when it was that they,

had the cast got leaked of 24 names and and I think the actual cast got announced on a Wednesday morning but it was like that Friday night where it was like okay this is it this seems like very legit these are the 24 people that's going to go and it was 12 people from the old school and 12 people from the new school and I thought okay it's going to be like old school versus new era and that's going to be the how the structure is going to be. And I kind of like that in terms of like old school versus new school, 12 versus 12, also Australian like modern day Australian survivor. And, and then it ended up being three tribes of eight, which, you know, I'm not mad at. I just kind of thought like, okay, well, you had this interesting delineation of like the old school versus the new era. And I felt

like that that felt kind of like a theme in terms of like it kind of made sense why you took 12 people from the new era, but ultimately, you know, we're, look, we're happy to have tribes of eight at least. Yeah, the interesting thing as well is that, like, they are fairly evenly divided. There's one tribe that is equally four and four when it comes to old school and new era. And then the other ones are five and three. I'm not sure why they couldn't just do four and four across things. But, you know, I think maybe one of the reasons why they wanted, maybe they what didn't want to do old school versus new era is maybe to prevent a winners at war premers scenario of like, okay, if old school just keeps losing challenges, then we're getting rid of all

these icons that people have been waiting years to see on our screen. I will say that as much as I was excited for two tribes of 12, it may well be, and I don't know about the format. I don't know if this has even been released at all, but I feel like that we are going to have an issue where we need to get rid of a lot of people in 26 days and 24 people. So we may well have in the pre-merge only the tribe that wins immunity avoids going to tribal council. And we may be having a lot of episodes with two tribal councils. So having three tribes may be the solution to getting down from 24 people to a manageable group of people by the end of the game. And so I guess I can confirm because it's been confirmed previously that the three-hour premiere that's happening on February 25th will be essentially two 90-minute

episodes. So it will be the first couple of boots. I can confirm I was out there for the first three days. I only saw one tribal council. But that might have been a way to be like, all right, everybody, let's get our feet wet again. And then they really start picking up the pace. There's also this idea that I've been floating out that maybe one of the reasons why in 49 we got to see this swap to two tribes for the first time is that they were like soft launching doing this again. And so we could easily see like, for all we know, these tribes could hold for like three or four episodes. And then they decide to swap to larger numbers.

Okay. All right. So I'm sure we'll keep an eye out on the logistics all season long with how they're going to get down from 24 people down to three. All right. Well, let's get into this now. Let's not until the shine of the preseason here. Again, we get back to the shiny tribe.

So this is the Sela tribe. So again, we're going to go through this group of eight in alphabetical order. They said, give us the wide shot. They'll give us the very, very wide master. where, yeah, they got to get that flag in there, Rob. It's a wave at loud and crowd. Is there any way to let me give my binoculars so I can see who, Mike, tell me who are these people?

Well, the good news is that the photo. I think I could make out Surrey is in there. Listen, this is the ultimate eye test, you know, that's exactly. But try the, who would have thought that the, the ophthalmologist. Let's get the 30,000 foot view of this tribe. Listen, who's the same or not? Enance, enhance. No, no Hans is on this season, Rob, notably.

no hints on this season. Who's to say we're not seeing the bigger picture here, quite literally, on Survivor 50. So, of course, we have to start with a man that you and I know very well, dear friend of RHAP, Dr. Christian Evin. Could we just, very quickly, can you just say the names, especially for the people that will listen to the podcast, can you just say the names of the eight people that are on this tribe? And then we'll talk about them one by one. Yeah. So we've got, in going from left to right here, we have Joe Hunter, Savannah, Louis. Christian Hubicki, Sarifields, Ozzy Luce, Emily Flippin, Rick Devons, and Jenna Lewis Doherty. Okay. And Mike, is it correct that they took the three winners from the show that are on the season,

and the three winners are on different tribes? That's correct. They split them up. For the most part, they also split up the trios that are coming from the same season. Yeah. And again, not to spoil too much of what I got coming for you, but that is something that a lot of people very noticeably clocked and were able to ascertain that perhaps one of the two 49ers was the winner from that season. Okay. Yeah. And this was an issue in Survivor All-Stars where they said, okay, well, let's put, let's spread out, try to spread out the winners.

Let's try to, uh, we got to break up Lex and Big Tom and Ethan. And, you know, that's one of the reasons why you have three tribes also. Yeah, that's also a good point. They want to keep them relatively separated to not have too many preexisting relationships informed too much of the early game. That said, we'll get into it because even looking at this group, there are certainly a couple that stick out. Okay. All right. Let's go through some of the people one by one.

All right. So let's start with Christian. I mean, getting to talk with Christian about all things, Survivor, was simply astounding. This is a man who spoke with me for over half an hour. And it's interesting because obviously Christian is an incredibly analytical numbers focused type of person. But this season, he is ready to commit, quote, narrative warfare. He feels like one of the reasons he went home in David versus Gloucels. was because Mike White was able to wield the pen as the sword and be like, this guy is the David turned Goliath. Let's take him out. And so he has a lot of different tactics as to how he's going to utilize people's previous survivor stories to inform his own.

Christian was incredibly open about a number of things, a number of his thoughts and behaviors in the preseason. But there is one thing he was keeping secret, Rob. It was something that was only made apparent to listeners on the Survivor public after he returned. that he was made apparent. That he was made a parent. Yeah, Prishen went out to Survivor 50 with a six-week old child that I did not know about.

And certainly, nobody on the cast knew about going into the season. Yeah. So, you will see if he can get to the final travel council and pull a full Jeremy Collins. I certainly asked him about it. So if you want to find out his answer, you may have to tune in very soon to find out that as well as many other incredible answers. Yeah. Do you want to tease it all that we have a Christian interview dropping imminently? Imminently.

It is. You don't have to wait five and a half hours, I suppose. Maybe you actually have to, depending on what time you're listening to this, to check it out. But yeah, Christian will be the first interview that you will be hearing on this podcast of my precede interviews. Yes. He is father and he is a father. Well, then let's talk about mother, shall we? Let's talk.

Mother is here also. Let's talk about Sarifield. She is back for a record-breaking, sixth time or fifth and a half time, depending on who you ask. Yeah. And it's interesting because something I will say overall about this cast that I was able to ascertain

in talking with them. Listen, as you mentioned, a lot has been said about like, okay, interesting picks from kind of all across the eras of Survivor. If there is sort of a commonality that I can see across these 24 individuals, they are hungry to be there. Even someone like Surrey,

where you're like, she has done basically everything except when she's won the traitor, she's played Big Brother, she was just on Australia versus the world. Why are we bringing her back? It's because, believe it or not, Surrey Fields does not believe that she is a legend of this game.

And she will not until she wins a season of Survivor. Okay. I think she might. I think she knows. Ceres like she's like incredibly savvy Yeah so and obviously Surrey is the Madam Webb of this cast

She is the most well connected Concerning the number of people That she is playing with And so she has a lot of thoughts As to you know Who she's able to build Bridgesworth versus those that she may be able to just Leave in the past in the present

I am very excited to see Ceri here I also Believe that we're going to be hearing your interview with Ceri very soon also as well. So be the second, yeah. Yeah. I don't necessarily know if Surrey and Christian are going to be simpatico.

I feel like that Christian is not the type of player that Surrey seems to enjoy working with. All right. Well, let's talk about someone who might be a bit more sympathetico with Christian. Considering the number of times we have watched them play Blood on the Clock Tower together, Let's talk about financial analyst Emily Flippin. Yes, okay. Well, in terms of looking at it from the perspective of Christian, I feel like that this is one in the win column.

I think that Ceri, you know, look no further than her interactions with Corey in Big Brother 25 to say, okay, we kind of get a sense of like who she likes to work with who she doesn't. But I think that Emily, I mean, she loved Drew Bacil, you know. know, she, I think, has played one on the clock tower many times with Christian. So I think this is a win for Christian. And Emily is looking for a big win here as well. Now, it's interesting because

she swore up and down at the time she was booted. She was never going to come back to Survivor. Yeah. If you speak to any of her cast members, they said up and down, she was never going to come back to Survivor. And did she change her mind or was it a long con? What do you think? It's the latter. At least that's what she told me. She basically

said, I wasn't lying to you all as much as I was lying to myself, because believe it or not rob this metamorphosis this transformation that that's a good line i'm going to say that like i wasn't lying to i was lying to myself it's quite literally it's not you it's me i told i was telling you the truth it was myself that i was lying to well the interesting part is that emily she's ready yeah emily has this magnificent metamorphosis this transformation she wasn't happy with it she did not like the end result she didn't like the the final message that she gave off in her 45 arc so she's here to continue it.

Wait, so what was the last part of her message? I thought she had a good arc. She didn't like that. She did not like the idea that she, and we'll get into this a lot more from her own words tomorrow, that she felt like she was playing too passively towards the end. And that she essentially, ironically enough, feels like you don't have to dole your own shine

to be a good survivor player. Hmm, okay. So she tells it much better than I can. Regardless, I'm happy to see Emily back and starting all the great soundbite she's able to provide. Yeah, okay. Well, we're going to be excited to see Emily. As far as Emily and Surrey goes, I feel like that could go either way. I feel like that Emily, I think, is actually like from watching her on Blood on the Clock Tower. She's very good at being able to like, whether it's real or whether it's feigned, like act very excited. So I think that she could be like, oh my God, Surrey, you're here. And I think that Surrey may be warm. Emily. All right.

Well, let's talk about someone who needs to warm up, Rob, considering that we have not seen her on our screens in 22 years. Your fellow All-Stars cast member, your fellow, I believe, what, co-host, Jenna Lewis Doherty. Jenna Lewis was my first co-host in any sort of radio or hosting that I did. And so it does warm my heart to see my former castmate. And she is shot out of a candid When I talk with her

She only has one speed, Mike That's exactly it And even all this time later Jenna has gone through a lot She has gained new children She has gained a new last name But she is that same old Jenna That we fell in love with

All the way back in Borneo And she is not afraid to shoot from the hip She is someone who is coming in With sort of this old school perception But definitely a new school mentality of like Listen I'm going to get you to like me and then I'm going to cut your throat when you're not looking. And no relation to Chris Dardy?

No, unfortunately, you drop the A, put a U in instead. So, oh, I know, actually, I believe that's how Chris spelled his last name as well. I mean, that would be a wild twist. Right of like, well, since that time, I found a man. I found the back door into Survivor 50. Chris from Lepevy tribe. Jenna Lewis is going to be fun to watch. I think that like Emily, I think that she can also put it.

on that like, oh my God, it's you. I'm so excited to see you. I'm so excited to see you. And then confessional, like, I hate this person. This person sucks. I can't wait to get rid of them. So she's going to be fun. I wonder about her and Surrey. I don't know if Surrey is particularly going to be loving Jenna Lewis. I don't know if Jenna Lewis has a reverence for Surrey as somebody who predates her on the show. So that I'm a little bit worried about, but I do, I do, I I don't kind of feel like that Jenna Lewis might like Christian. Yeah, I mean, I think she has some very interesting comments about Christian. You'll check that one of my paraded interviews coming out today.

But yeah, I think that the common trend that I pick up in terms of people's opinions on Jenna across the cast is that there's a lot of reverence for having someone from the very first season there. It was something that we wanted. And so it'll be really interesting to see how that perception weighs up to as we're talking about with Jenna's tactics proper, like really gaming hard. from the beginning. I do like these cast photos. I do, I want to, uh, Mel, who's a photographer in the chat says, this is such a great portrait. Yeah, the Surrey picture was incredible. So, uh, they did a really good job with these cast photos so far. All right. Well, let's move on from, uh, someone we haven't seen to quite a while to someone we just saw last year, Joe Hunter, uh, who lives, I believe, in the same area as Jenna Lewis right now. Okay. Uh, here is Joe Hunter coming off of Saved

I think that Joe set up really well off of Survivor 48. He was loyal. He was nice to Eva. He's going to be somebody who's not a schemer. He's going to be somebody who I think everybody's going to work with. He's good in the challenges. He has a big heart. So I really do feel like that Joe is set up particularly well.

Joe doesn't seem to have like a mean bone in his body. So I do feel like that everybody's going to kind of gravitate towards dad here. Yeah. This is something that I brought up. up in the player profiles that I did over the past couple weeks that I do think of the 3 38 people, 48 people coming back. Joe is probably the most well position, not only from a strange perspective, but as you mentioned, the previous evidence about his game is I was really loyal to the people I promised my loyalty to almost to a fault, and I lost because of that. That is

incredibly marketable to anybody in the game. What's interesting from Joe's personal perspective is that because the 48 finale only happened a couple weeks before 50 films, he's still kind of chewing over watching all this back. And he's still at this point, not really in the know as to why he lost in particular. So if he does make a deep run again, I'm really intrigued to see, like, are there mistakes he can rectify in that case? Considering he does not, unlike that tribe photo, have the bigger picture about things. That's an interesting question.

If I was going to like give, go back in time and give Joe like a pep talk, then say like, hey, like the reasons why you lost the game, you can't change. You know, the things like you're you, you know, and that you didn't have necessarily the wrong idea, but you can't just go and just be a completely different person. You know, maybe you end up in a different group in the final three, But Joe's got to play the Joe game. Who do you think from the previous four we talked about Joe is going to get on with? I mean, I guess to your point, is it more so he's going to be copacetic with everybody?

I kind of think so. I feel like that maybe if anything, maybe the person who may not like Joe of those four that we talked about might be Emily. I kind of feel like that Emily, we know that she famously like didn't want bruise, like Bruce, like Bruce the returning player. But I feel like if it's sort of like, okay, wait, hold on. This is apples and oranges. No, but I'm just saying, I think that, like, in terms of, like, Emily, I could see here being the one. I'm like, wait, hold on. Why is Joe automatically the leader of our group?

Like, I just think that everybody else, I think, might be a little bit more content to sort of just go with the flow. And Emily might be the one who pushes back against, okay, Joe is sort of the alpha leader of our group. Well, let's go with the flow to this next person. And maybe this one might jockey up to being a leader alongside Joe. let's talk about the fifth season for Ozzy. Yeah. Okay. This is going to be fun, I think, to have Ozzy back and Ozzie coming in.

What an interesting photo for Ozzy here. Ozzy's rocking the mullet for his fifth season. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's... Close enough. Welcome back Shambo. Yeah.

Ozzie and Surrey is like there's so much history there. Yeah. Going back to, you know, in, you know, in Micronesia, and then also in Game Changers where it seemed like that they kind of buried the hatchet. So this is third time, Ozzy's on the same starting private series.

They're third time playing together. So this is going to be fun. And I do believe in Survivor game changers. I think that was really JT who was leading the charge more, but I think that Surrey would have been out pre-merge in Game Changers had they been to a tribal council. So I think that this is going to be interesting to watch that relationship. but I feel like they're good now.

So I think that Ozzy is going to be a natural ally for Surrey. And I think that they're sort of going to have each other's backs as people that know each other. So that's going to be very fun to watch. I think that the Ozzy and Christian relationship is super interesting here of that does Christian give Ozzy any Cochran PTSD? I wonder about does Emily and Ozzie? Is that a fit there? Jenna Lewis, how does she feel about Ozzy? So, like, he is another, like, high variance player here.

Yeah, and I think what is also throwing a variable into the equation is how much Ozzy has changed since the last time he played. Obviously, he has been open more about his sexuality in the time since he has changed careers. He's now living in Mexico where he, you know, built his own, like, restaurants slash music venue from the ground. up. The first thing Ozzy tells me in my interview is like, I say, oh, look, jungle boys back for his fifth time. He says, I'm a jungle man now. Yes. Thank you, Mike. So, uh, happy to see Ozzy's Survivor Bar Mitzvah take place over the course of season 50. He was on season 13. That's true. Exactly. Listen, he's a teenager no more. Maasiel top.

Masi top. Yes, but Ozzy is going to be very interesting. And how much does Ozzie sort of like exceed the leadership to Joe. I think that Ozzy has, you know, we saw in South Pacific, here's Ozzy position as the leader of his tribe. It doesn't go great. I think that Ozzy is actually a better wingman where like, okay, Yule is like really seen as the person who's the leader. And Ozzie can sort of just do his own thing.

All right. Well, let's talk about someone who very much did his own thing on the edge of extinction. Rick Devons is here. Don, dun dun dun dun. Rob, believe it or not, Rick Devons in a world would not have been on Survivor 50. Why?

He was an alternate. Really? That's what he told me. So this is my belief, and I have no, like, substantial evidence for this, but Rick says that when he got the call initially for Survivor 50, he was told that he was an alternate.

my hunch is that originally it was going to be a 20-person cast and then when they make the decision at the 11th hour to bring on Rizzo and Savannah, Jeff told me this before, then they sort of decided to workshop the size of the cast and so maybe then they decide, okay, Rick, burst through that wall, you're coming onto Survivor for your second shot,

even though I guess he technically had a second shot in Edge of Extinction. Yeah, okay. So this then leads to question, who's the other female alternate? I don't know. they did not disclose that information to me. So Nancy Drew's get at that.

But it's interesting because Rick is now sort of, I wouldn't say walking to the game with like a carefree head. But I think he certainly feels like. I have a fear. I have a guess on the female alternate. Okay, perfect. But it's sort of like what we were talking about with the alternate situation with Jason and MC for 49 where it's like he kind of feels like he's playing

with house money. Like, hey, three weeks ago, I didn't think I was playing this game. So like, I want to win, but let me have as much fun as I can while doing it. Just out of deductive reason.

So, okay, so if they brought in Savannah and Rizzo, if this is all like on the level, if they brought in the two people from the old, from the new era, then you have to think that the other alternate is somebody who is also of the old era like Rick. So I'm thinking a woman in the old era. I think maybe also from the edge of extinction. I think it's Aubrey. I think that, I mean, there are some rumors, right, as to like maybe Amanda Kimmel was going to be involved in this cast and Aubrey refurb.

replaced her. So like I could see a world where both end up being on the in the perjutorial state of being Albury was a name that was not in the rumor mill very much like at all until she was basically in the cast. Yeah. But regardless, they're here feet in the same. I will say, Rick has I think been garnering the most opinions in the preseason. The way that he has been behaving. So it's very intriguing. He's not only hear Rick's thoughts, but to hear everyone else

thoughts on Rick. Yeah. I see in the chat reality see the great realities. He says, who did Devin's replace? I don't think that he replaced anybody. I think they just added the alternates to the cast. They went from 20 to 24. I think it was yeah. I personally think it was more of a widening of like, well, Rick was going to be on, you know, on call just in case something happens. Great. Now that we're doing 24, let's just lump him and the female alternate in. That's my assumption. Yeah. Okay. So Rick Devons, I think, is going to, I think, get along, uh, certainly, I think famously with Christian, I think that that's pretty good.

I feel like on paper, I think good with Emily. And I think that some, Rick is an easy guy to get along with, but if I guess for some reason that people are having a lot of big feelings about Rick Devons. Yeah, I mean,

also the thing is that we know at least in his initial season, when Rick was backed into a corner, he got a little ornery. You know, he made those fireworks and tribal council. Yeah, exactly. He made those fireworks at tribal council.

but I'd also, you know, maybe metaphorically blew his fingers off in the process when it comes to the people that were left in the game. Now, he is looking to quell that as much as he can. He's really trying to adapt that Tony season 40, like sit on my hands at the beginning strategy. But you can only be you to a certain extent, you know? Yeah, I'm just thinking of the other people. I feel like that Joe is going to get along pretty well with Rick. Does Surrey like Rick? I think that that's going to be tricky.

But I think that Rick is going to, I think Rick probably loves Surrey. so much, but I just think that just because you love Surrey doesn't mean automatically that Surrey loves you back. Yes, exactly. It's the ultimate unrequited love story, 20 seasons, 20 years in the making. Well, let's talk about someone who Rick at least has a lot in common with. Let's talk about our most recently minted soul survivor, Savannah Louie to round out the tribe. This is an interesting wrinkle now on all of this. Rickle. Okay. Here's Savannah. When I was talking with Savannah, during the 49 preseason, I'm like, I noticed you're a former newscaster.

Yes. From Georgia, have you met Rick Devin's? And she said, no, but I have a lot of friends in common with him. Yes. Now they finally get the cheap. Well, she said in the Survivor 49 preseason, her dream was to meet Rick Devinz. And listen, dreams can come true in so many ways, Rob. Yeah.

So I think that Savannah is definitely going to be excited about Rick Devin's. And so now I think that she's going to get along really well with, I think Emily is going to be a good match with Savannah. Like I found in Survivor 49, I felt like that Savannah did get along with a lot of the other, like, really like strong-willed, outspoken women who were going to play hard in the game. So I think that those, and there's a lot of those people here in Survivor 50 for Savannah to work with. and so yeah I feel like she's Joe is going to get along good with her so I think that this is a pretty good landing spot for her I just really my question is like what does seri think about Savannah it always comes back to three because I really think that I mean she's such a gifted player and I think that I in looking back at her history maybe I am missing something I kind of feel like that Surrey is like starts with I like this person I don't like this person and I don't know if there's too many times where it's really like, you know, I didn't like this person, but they really won

me over. I feel like it's sort of like if she just like, she comes in with like a gut read on somebody, it's like, I'm not feeling it. And then it's hard for that person to ever come back from that. Interesting. Let's put a pin on that because cerebral actually talk about that topic in my interview with her. Yeah. Okay. Can't wait to hear it. Okay. Yeah. But I mean, Savannah's, you know, the most interesting cog in this puzzle, right? Because she is this huge, mystery factor and given the layout, now everyone pretty much assumes that she has won the game. Now, for what it's worth, Savannah told me that she is going to be fairly upfront with anything and everything that happened in season 49. She feels like there's no real reason to lie,

especially with Rizzo also playing the game. So we'll see once they hear the story, if that's going to make her more or less dangerous than the picture they already painted in their minds. Mike, anything else to say about this group? We're ready to go on to our next tribe. Let's move on to our second tribe here. Our next octet. Let's talk about the Kalo. Get my binoculars back on. Well, Rob, you must be seeing stars because if you remember, actually, the Merch tribe in David

versus Goliath was Kalo Kalo, which I believe means star. Yeah. Okay. Hold on a single frame on this to try to say, well, I can make out Jonathan for sure. We always can. Yes. But who else is here? We've got Jonathan.

We've got Di Viadores, Mike White. we've got Camilla, we've got from 46, both Charlie and Tiffany. We've got the one, the only coach Wade, and we have Chrissy Hoffback. Interesting that they don't split up Tiffany and Charlie. That is, I think, there are much less preexisting dynamics in this tribe than the previous one. We should also mention from the previous one, yeah, the blood on the clock tower stuff between Emily and Christian. This one, Tiffany and Charlie are really the only one that I know is like explicit in that they

played the game together. Now, look, I would say that of the 3-46ers, each of them both have a bigger problem with Q than with each other. That being said, Charlie was part of the group that blindsided Tiffany. And Tiffany was part of the group that deprived Charlie of that win in that very close jury vote. Interesting. Okay. All right. Let's go through them one by one.

Okay. Who's up first? Well, let's start with Charlie. Let's start with him here. Okay. Here's Charlie, and he's back. and I mean my gut just coming into the season is like I feel like that people are a little worried about Charlie. I think that Charlie is going to have to like really put people at ease, I think, coming into Survivor 50 because I think that he has the reputation, which I may know a little bit.

Oh, he's so smart. He should have won. Like, watch out for Charlie. He'll sneak up on you. And let me also say up front here. And I'll say it again when we get to Charlie's interview. in our podcast proper. We were not allowed to tell them any information

about the world at the time, including Taylor Swift, now owning all of her music. We were all chomping at the bit to do so, to get that sound bite, but we were restricted from doing so. So Charlie, so that happened like in the five days

between when they left? It did, yeah. It was, I remember all the, all the tweets at the time about like how Charlie I asked Donna Kelsey about that. She was very, she said that she was happy.

Oh, good. I did. I found out I was today years old when I found out that that happened. Well, Charlie, I think, is hopefully not going to be a secret traitor in the midst here. But yeah, I think the big thing about Charlie is the fact that as you mentioned, the perception of him is like he quote unquote should have won in certain circles, right? That he is like one of the best players to not win in the new era. Now, the way Charlie feels, it's like, yeah, I have that. But I'm coming in with Surrey and Colby and Ozzy.

Like there are certainly other people that have that moniker as well. The question might be is it more what had been done. And none of them are on this tribe. That's also true. Well, actually, I don't know. There's not a podcast called Charlie Davis should have won or Charlie Davis. Well, you didn't mention Mike. Why?

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, let's talk about the next person here. We go from another CH to another CH. Yeah, actually, there's a C and an H. Sure. Well, I'm not sure. Yeah, Sam, did me do a little bit of a fun little Lucy Goosey with the alphabet.

but that's for a very loosey-goosey man in Coach Wade, who, uh, Rob, we're going to be getting a lot of in this Survivor 50, like, encore episodes series. Yes, yes. They release the lineup of previous episodes that are going to be airing in the lead-up to Survivor 50 and three of them feature coach. Yeah, it does really feel like, okay, we're going all in on coach here, and I'm up for the ride.

Why not? I mean, here's the thing about Coach is that he's another person that feels like he's coming into his fourth time, a very change. man. Coach has since his time on South Pacific gotten married. He's become a father. Rob, he's not even really a coach anymore. Oh, he's a former coach or is it like once you're like president, you're always like a president of this person. Yeah, I think the coach library is being dedicated as we speak. He's on like, Jimmy Johnson wasn't a coach when he played and they still called him coach. That's true. He's gone full of Mr. Hollins opus here. He's a music teacher. He is a

musician. We should talk about with Charlie. They have a mutual connection in Ben Katzman. Of course, very close ally of Charlie. Coach played on his album. But Coach, but Coach, but Coach feels like he is someone who is for the self-appointed Christian man, very repentant about how things ended for him, of course, in South Pacific, something we will watch in this encore episode series where he ends up losing to the fact that he finally gets to the end, but kind of falls on his sword from this honor and loyalty perspective. And so he's coming in with sort of a new head about these things. He's a softer coach.

He feels he has shed his skin. What's very interesting is the fact that so many people love coach, but the coach they want to play with is the coach they know and love, the Dragon Slayer himself. Yeah, he was somebody also, and Dalton Ross wrote such a massive article for EW. It took me a couple of days to get through, but there was so many interesting thoughts about coach where coach was just like doing the most at Ponderosa

and people were like, man, this is so fun. Like any other season, it's like, who is this jackass? And they're like, like, uh, this is going to be. We can't get rid of coach. We need him. And so that's what, again, it's so interesting about these old schoolers playing with these new era players, which are cast that are largely filled with super duper fans, right? Which is like, and you sort of experienced this as well, I imagine to a certain extent in All-Stars, which is like, how much are you able to kind of pack away that

fan aspect of your personality and be like, okay, I'm not just hanging out with Coach. I'm also competing against him for a million dollars. Yeah. I think that Coach is somebody that they're going to want to keep around. I think that he would have to really just get under people's skin for them to want to get rid of him. All right. Because I think they feel like also, especially like this

persona that he is embodying here, it's like, he's not bothering anybody. Like, is he going to win? Yeah. Again, it's a little bit joe coded, right? Of like, well, we saw, even when he gets to the end, he's going to lose

because of this philosophy he voiced upon himself, not maybe realizing the fact that coach is coming in, having gone through that experience that is looking to curb that. Yeah. Okay. And so is coach going to love Charlie? I'm not necessarily that coach is going to love Charlie. I think that Ben Katzman thing, like, I think there's a non-sure chance to do with him.

So Ben Katzman doing a lot of work there. Exactly. All right. Let's move on to our next person here. Here's Chrissy. Here she is. We have to wait a little while to see Chrissy on this screen, much like we did on our screens in general. And I'm really happy for Chrissy where she ends up coming back.

And I feel like in like Jeff's comments, she really, seems to be being celebrated in a way that I do not recall Jeff talking about her, like in the immediate aftermath of Survivor Heroes versus Heelers versus Hustlers. Everything coming out of that, Jeff talking about Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben. I think that Jeff coming into Survivor 40 said, yeah, that I believe that Jeff, like, and maybe somebody could find the quote, talked about that they asked Jeff who was on the Survivor Mount Rushmore. Yeah, with a talk with Detective Dean at Google.

Yes, and who's on the Mount Rushmore? And I think he said at that point, I think he said Rob, Parvety, Sandra, and maybe Ben, I think he said was on the Mount Rushmore. But it's like, Ben, who? Let's talk about the robbed queen of H.H.H. Chrissy. I mean, is that some of that maybe informed

by how Ben's time and Winterset War ended, perhaps? Winners at War, I think, had already filmed at that point. I guess that's true. But let's celebrate Chrissic here, much like Jeff does, because it has been a long time coming, I think after the controversy that happened at the end with Final Four Firemaking.

And look, it's a little still up for debate as to like, would Chrissy have won if Final Four Firemaking didn't exist? But regardless, she is here. She has gone through a lot. If you are not on the up-and-up, if you didn't listen to her interview with Kellyn Beck told, she had this massive cancer scare with these, you know, huge surgeries.

Can I say this and tell me if this is, if we're ready for the hot takeoff, okay? Chrissy, by getting screwed over at the final four, ultimately, this was a win because I think that had they knocked out Ben, we'd be talking about Devin Pinto wins Survivor HHS, and she is not here on Survivor 50, but because of how the circumstances went in Survivor 35, her getting screwed over. This is not an advantage, they say, but turns out maybe it was.

I mean, it's maybe shades of another old school. We'll see, they say. Another shades of Colby, perhaps, someone will talk about very soon of like losing the battle, but maybe winning the war when it comes to longevity on the show. Yes. Okay. So here's Chrissy Hoffback.

And how is she going to be received? I think that Charlie, listen, and we know that maybe he's a little gun-shy, but he likes to work with the mom in the tribe. And we know that Chrissy, of course, her closest ally was this younger, excitable strategist.

Yes. And then, yes, another CH for you here, Mike and Chrissy Hopper. Finally got my CH balance. Yes. And then is coach going to like Chrissy? I'm not 100% sure on that one.

And then, is she the third person we're talking about? Is there anybody else? third person. Yeah. So let's see. I feel like that it's going to be very tribe dependent, I think, in terms of Chrissy's landing spot. Because I think that there are people who are really going to enjoy Chrissy. And then there's maybe people that she isn't going to get along with so great on a survivor tribe. So let's see how the rest of it goes. All right. Well, let's head over to the next person. Di Viadares. Here is our second winner here. And it's a big one. You know,

you talk about reputation. Great picture too. Really, really framed especially well. But Dee is not only coming off of the challenge, I believe she actually filmed it fairly recently when it came to Survivor 50, but also you know, Rob, you and I did that

new era winner ranking podcast a short time ago. We ranked her number one. The audience ranked her number one. She is seen as not only the best winner of the new era, but arguably one of the best winners we have seen in a while on Survivor. glad we did that podcast because it was good to sort of get that, okay, that's not a hot take to say

that she is the like most complete winner of the new era, that she was, you know, universally voted as the audience and then also by the panel. So I think that there was some debate between the other winners of the new era, but I think that, you know, by and large, she is considered to be the preeminent winner of the new era. And here she is. I think she's going to hold a lot of sway in this game. I think that people, she has good relationships with people, even though she is a big threat, I feel like that she is the type of person

that players, I feel like, especially in the new era, are like, you know what, I want to be with her more than I want to be against her. She gives me a little bit of like that Sandra in Game Changers type of energy where I feel like, D, obviously, given, again, the million dollar check

attached to her name, given the game, we showed, if they go to tribal council early, I could see a world where they're like, okay, well, she's easy to pick up. Jenna Lewis isn't on this try, but let's embody her spirit and kick off D. But I do feel like D has this superpower to like make people feel really good about her. It's the reason why she had multiple number ones in season 45. And so I do feel like if D gets a little bit of momentum under her and she's able to sort of flex both physically and, you know, interpersonally as well, you know,

she could make another deep run at this. And I don't think that she's going to hide in this game based off of how she was talking in that Dalton Ross article, I'm talking about like, okay, this person is probably gone. This person's gone. Like I think she's going to come in and really start to inflict her will on this season. And so I think if I was on this trip, I would be one of the people lining up to get behind D and work with her. I think to go against her, I think would be a massive mistake. I always get in line for D.

Okay. So D with the other people, D and Chrissy, I think is going to be an interesting relationship. Now, D did have a great relationship with Mama J in Survivor 45, but Chrissy is not the typical, like, caretaker mom on, so like, Chrissy's there to play her own game. Chrissy is not necessarily there to be anybody's mom on Survivor. No, which is maybe one of the reasons why she was perceived the way she does in Survivor, Triple Age was because she was sort of seen as the de facto mom of the group. So, yeah, I'd be interested to see how they work together. Dee also connected to Coach because I believe her and Coach were also both on Ben Katzman's album as well.

Oh, yeah. Ben Katzman might be the low-key unifier of the entire Kalo majority here. Yes, he's not shredding. He's connecting. Exactly. Who would have thought the entire time? he would be the 25th cast member also charlie and d have the on fire alliance exactly uh and listen if they meet up with rick devins that alliance could be on fire as well mm okay so we'll see if when d left her

office at on fire did she leave a note in the desk to charlie to as he took over yeah i don't know what the succession plan was okay all right so let's see how d is set up here who else is here Well, let's talk about another massive physical presence, not only in the new era, but in this cast in general. Oh, I guess we're going to Camilla now. Okay. Yeah, here's Camilla. A physical presence of Camilla. To be fair, she had that incredible come from behind challenge victory at the final five.

Yeah, I love this subplot of Mike trying to hold in his rage at the contestants not being in alphabetical order. I love getting tripped up here, honestly. Yes, well, it keeps you on your toes. You're an improviser. Exactly. Well, let's talk about Camilla because she's somebody who we talked about this, which Joe, two weeks ago, the very last thing that these people saw was star to me at three and being like, well, if Camilla made it to the final three, she definitely would have

won the game. And here she is again. Yeah. So here's Camilla. And I just wonder if Camilla is going to be under the radar, like, she would, was in Survivor 48. And so she is somebody who I think is a very dangerous, deadly player who I enjoyed watching in Survivor 48.

But is the cat out of the bag with Camilla? I think so. And so does she. I think she says it is going to be near impossible for her to copy the same strategy in Survivor 48, which was, hey, here's this massive physically based aligns. Let me like be chummy with them, but obviously be underestimated. people don't know that I'm throwing you under the bus. People now know what she is capable of.

And also, perhaps most importantly, they know that two of her closest allies, including the person she ran the game alongside up until the final four, is also on the season. Camilla has flat out said if she knew that Kyle was going to be on Survivor 50, she would not have said yes. That's a lie. She's lying again.

Listen, listen, but we can let me be real for a second. Camilla is a liar. She lies to people. Go back, watch my interview with her after the Survivor 48. And I asked her, I was like, Camilla, I feel like, and again, I have respected her game so much.

And I said, Camilla, I feel like you must have been doing so much behind the scenes. Like, well, I feel like there was so much of you that we didn't get to see. She's like, no, not really. I didn't really do. I wasn't really doing it much more than this. She lies.

She lies like a rug. These interviews, were such a... Stop believing her. Believe women, but don't always believe Camilla, okay? So then do we believe when she says that she and Joe actually had a really tight relationship that she's glad didn't make the edit? Hmm. Maybe. I mean, I think so. But like, do you think her and Kyle were every day like, oh my God, are you going to be on Survivor 50? Like, what are you going to do on Survivor 50? Dude, there's no chance that Camilla was like, what? Kyle's here? What the hell? Why didn't they tell me Kyle was going to be here?

Do you think it's not a Sandra in Boston Robin Winters at War scenario? I think she'd be pissed. You think she'd feel like, I again. And again, so I look, I respect it. I respect it. But also like we like we now have to say everything Camilla says,

take it with a grain of salt because Camilla will lie to the reporters. Well, regardless, she is salty at least about the fact that her game has sort of been out in here. And I think regardless of whether she's close to Kyle or not, people saw what they saw. And I think that is going to put her in a bit of danger.

I still have some faith in her that she's going to be able to do it. I think that people are going to be like, all right, I'm watching out for Camilla, but is she ever going to be the person where the group is like, all right, the person we have to get rid of tonight is Kamala. Like, I think that it's sort of like do people like

trust her? I wonder, does she have to end up on a tribe with Kyle for them to say, like, okay, now's the time to get rid of Kamala. I mean, I guess there's also the that she was a very good puzzle person. You know, I'm not to go into the whole tribe strength of it all, but if they feel like they want

to keep her in, though this is also a pretty brainy tribe, I would say. It doesn't have, you know, Jonathan, too. So it's not necessarily like that they are going to be like, oh, we're losing the challenges because of Camilla. So I think that she'll actually be okay. I think that

like, the way that I'm looking at this tribe is like, what does D want? And so I don't think that D is going to necessarily be like, I think that D is going to be the new era people. I think she's going to want to keep them around more so than the old school people. She's also much like Surrey, I think very well

connected with people in the new era. In particular, she's consistently socializing, going to events with them. Yeah. So I think that if she gets in good with D, I think that there could be a home for Camilla here. All right. I dare not say that

Jonathan is next. I don't want to lean out on this clip, but I might as well. There is. There's a big Boy. Yeah. All right. Here's Jonathan. And I think that Jonathan is going to be somebody to watch here in Survivor 50. I kind of feel like that going back to that idea of what would D. What is D thinking? You know, we saw this in Survivor 49 where, you know, D is close friends with Sophie B. And Sophie B was like, hey, you know what I need a meat shield in Jake. And I do think that D might be looking at Jonathan like in that same way. of, okay, he is somebody. Why would we ever get rid of this guy? What's really interesting about Jonathan is, again, I think if anyone was expecting this massive old school new era divide,

people like Jonathan and Joe have already said out of the jump to me, like they're predominantly looking to work with the old schoolers. I think a lot of the things that they value in a game that they like to work towards, they see at least in the form of those people as opposed to maybe the more shirky, new school players. But don't mistake Jonathan for not being so sharky because Rob, ever since Survivor 42, he has spent a considerable amount of time

as he would say at the feet of one Boston Rob Mariano. Yeah, I mean, no better teacher to learn the game of Survivor from. It's just the issue is that Boston Robb is just a generational talent and it's not always that that person, like, can Michael Jordan teach you basketball better than somebody who's like, somebody who didn't make it as a pro, but like is a professional teacher? Like, I'm not sure, but he would be a great person to model your game after.

It's just that it's very, I think it's, I hope this isn't coming across like the wrong way, that somebody who's so gifted and talented and just has such a knack for that, Like, it's hard to, like, like, Rob just does. He just is. Yeah. And so, like, being around that, I think is a great way. You're someone who got advice from Boston Rob himself before traitors.

Yeah. And the things that Rob told me on the, to do on the traders are things like, well, yeah, sure, you can do that. You're Boston Rob. You know, it doesn't necessarily work for me. But I do think that being around him and watching him, I think that if, you're, you know, If Jonathan is paying attention, I think you can absorb some of that. Yeah, he's got that Jeanette's a qua in a manner of speaking. And listen, he's also able to talk about the fact that he's more than happy to steer into the curve,

why he is most probably, you know, seen as a member of this cast, which is the challenge status he's able to provide and the fact that he's able to be a provider, too. And I think that he is going to definitely lean into those angles to present himself as someone that would be an asset to people, both, you know, from a camp life perspective as well as from a strategic perspective. Yeah. So we'll see how he does here is, I'm trying to think of going back to the rest of the tribe. Jonathan and Charlie, I'm not sure if, you know, it's kind of like a nothing for me. I feel like where Jonathan is probably going to love him.

Coach is absolutely going to love him. I think where Jonathan has been jutt up the most against is probably someone like Chrissy. I think that one of Jonathan and Lindsay's biggest points of disagreement was like, he wanted to do things one way, she wanted to do things another way. I could see that manifest again. But I think he could also be like pretty respectful to her as like Miss Chrissy. And I think that he could be like, he can be a gentleman in some of these ways. So I think that that might be okay.

I think Camilla and Jonathan is going to be interesting. We know that Camilla really did not love David in survival. Survivor 48. But a lot of those thoughts were sort of left for the confessionals. But I would have to think that Jonathan, having just watched Survivor 48, might be left with the impression that Camilla is not going to like him. I will say that one wants to work with the other. Reverse not so much.

Hmm. Okay. She did describe David as Gigacad. Yes. So I don't know if this is like Megachad. I don't know. Terra Chad? What's the upgrade in terms of bite size?

I don't know. All right. There's Jonathan. Okay. All right. Let's move on to arguably the biggest casting from this entire season, the Emmy winner himself. Yes. We're all a fan of the highly acclaimed incredible author Mike White.

And this came at the perfect time for Mike. And might I add, what a great cast photo. Listen, this is, eyes are open to the game as well as in this photograph. And I like the shirt. How about that too? Shirts great. Lumberjack realness. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I think of Mike has like a different look than last time. I feel the last time he showed up he had like on like what he had a T shirt like a Why? Why can't why can we all just get along? Was that what the graphic T said? Yeah.

Why can't we be friends or why can't we all just get along? Yeah. So yeah, he's coming in with like a. certainly like a more like a tougher aesthetic here coming in to Survivor 40. An interesting tribe. I'm trying to think in terms of like characters to bounce off of. I think that Mike White telling us what coach is doing in the confessional is going to be TV gold. I mean, yeah, we know that Mike has sort of predicated a survivor career, right?

I'm kind of like working with the wackadoodles. And so I imagine these are the people that he would glom to. I mean, the thing about Mike at the end of the day is that as much as Mike has sort of been taken away from the show that has, you know, arguably made his career in the wide loads. He said this actually came at the perfect time because it was right after season three had filmed. And so it's like, all right, this is sort of like my break away from immersing myself in the filming there. He is a storyteller first and foremost. And so he talks a lot in my interview about the fact that he's like, listen, I need to make this a great season at the end of the day. and that's going to predicate who I work with

and what decisions I make. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, he's really looking at it from the perspective of, you know, how do I be iconic or make this season even better?

And listen, we as the TV viewers appreciate it. Oh, 100%. More than the person's like, hey, I don't care if it's a good season. I want to win.

I mean, what's interesting is that like that perspective kind of sunk his game in David versus Goliath, right? The story he says that at the final travel council, he's like, don't vote for me, don't vote for the Goliath, how would that story be received? So I mean, in hindsight, did he have his figure on the pulse of what we were going to want?

Listen, there's a lot of things he couldn't have predicted between 2017 and now. Yeah. Okay. So Mike is going to be coming here. Who does he want to work with? So does that mean he's going to want to get rid of the snoozers? Is that what he's looking at him? Yeah, I mean, that'd be really interesting.

he's like, listen, it's in the hands of the fans. I'm a fan now. Let's get rid of the people who don't deserve to be here. Yeah, who's being boring. Yeah, exactly. Again, pulling that full JT. Some of us are game changers. Some of us are just occupied space. Yeah, but also I think Mike is very is competitive and he wants to win. So he might come into the season

feeling that way, but then also is going to probably want to, you know, keep around the people who want to work with him. I think also, again, this is something that could be both a very similar yet different echo to his previous game, or he can again be like listen

I'm a millionaire I'm an Emmy winner now who's gonna vote for me to win a million dollars and then he could also be like hey listen the last time out I got so close I was so successful and it didn't work out for me because of what I did at the last second I think I could run that back again and just not go the direction I did on day 39 slash 26

so in terms of the other people that are here in this tribe I feel like that I think Dee is going to like Mike White I think he's going to like Mike White. Yeah. And I think I think honestly everyone's going to like Mike White because I think what he is more so known for is honestly not really being a survivor player at this point, right? And obviously there's a lot of mentions from both the cats from all of us of like, okay, who's going to be jockeying for a cameo in the White Lotus? But I think that, listen,

Mike is in an industry that is all about ego management and, you know, rubbing elbows with people and helping get your, it's Nate Moore spoke about it, right, about being on a set, trying to get your agenda across with a myriad of different personalities and different agendas. And so I think that Mike is very well equipped for this type of scenario, especially with returning players. He's essentially in a celebrity cast of Survivor here. In terms of who Mike could be gunning for here, I feel like that the person he might be looking at could be Charlie, where I think that he could be wary of Charlie. He was very wary of Christian in Survivor, David versus Goliath. So I could see him potentially looking at Charlie as somebody who, hey, I got to keep an eye. I got to keep an eye.

on that one. I think that the person who might give him the most, the character we could see in the season four of the White Lotus. I think Chrissy could give him a lot of material. I could see Chrissy's showing up at the White Lotus. I mean, listen, Mike White, not necessarily as a cameo, but just sort of like inspiring. I mean, yes, and yeah, Mike White has predicated the White Lotus upon these, you know, women in their 50s becoming iconic TV characters. One of them just won a Brent Steele that we did, Rob. So if he's looking for the next one in the vein of, you know, Tanya and Parker Posey's character. He may be able to find one here.

Okay. And then who else is here? Closing out our tribe, Tiffany Irvin, from Survivor 46. Okay. And Tiffany is somebody that since the cast

was announced, I have been saying, like, watch out for Tiffany. Because I think that she really fits the mold in that she was somebody who I thought was underrated in her season.

And that's really where you want to be. You want to be like, underrated, like barely make the cast, and then somebody that people aren't worried about, but because people are sort of worried about the people like, oh, they almost won. They are dangerous. Now, I think that Tiffany, like, has a lot of runway here in Survivor 48. Or Survivor 50. I say Survivor 48 because there's so many people from Survivor 48.

I would agree. But how many super fans do we have on this cast where they then sort of do the Vizzini and the Princess Bride and be like, And so knowing that she's one of the most likely people to win, we have to target her early on. Perhaps, but I think that Tiffany is also such an easygoing, like, person to be around. I think she has like a really good vibe. So I think that a lot of people are going to want to be around Tiffany.

She's good in the challenges. So I think that she brings a lot to the table. Yeah, she's really well equipped in terms of a skill set. I mean, even just looking at her survivor 46 game, it all falls apart because Q, out of her own power, goes to people and says, oh, by the way, Tiffany has an idol. Now, look, she does admit that she did not necessarily, you know, she was so focused on the Q of it all.

She did not observe the fact that everyone was talking about how big of a threat she was. And so she missed that opportunity to play an idol. So she's trying to, I think, correct these small mistakes. But I do agree the baseline is pretty much there. She just has to have, you know, more of an idle sense as well as an ability to kind of look at the wider spectrum of things and how she might be perceived. So I don't think she has any bad relationships.

I don't think that Charlie is going to be trying to target. I think that Charlie is going to be looking for friends in Tiffany. So I feel pretty good about that. I think... But if they become number one allies, it's only a matter of time before they turn on each other, right, in the vein of Survivor 46? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I just think that she's set up pretty good here. Yeah, I don't really see a reason why people would want to get rid of her early on unless she does start to go idle crazy towards the beginning, much like she did in 46, if they feel like that is too threatening. But yeah, I mean,

it should be noted. We talked about this when the cast released. Tiffany and Jenna Lewis are both tied for the lowest placement in their original season at 8. So we talked about it with the person at the beginning of this tribe and Charlie. We'll talk about it with the person at the end of this tribe and Tiffany. There's a lot around like, yeah, listen, I might have been a threat in my original season, but have you seen who I'm surrounded by? And she also has the benefit of that she played with Q,

but it's not like, oh, we can't let Tiffany get back with Q. So I think that people look at her and Charlie as like sort of like, okay, there's not really yet. They know each other, but they're not really allies. So I think that ultimately, I don't think Q is going to be like going out of his way to get rid of Tiffany. I think that they probably have a better relationship than we think.

Like I probably would think that. I can confirm that they've, as I think what, I think it was Alyssa Edwards that said, like, they buried the hatchet. Right. To me, Tiffany and Q are like Sarah and Tony coming back, where that in the, yeah, they were allies, but then they broke up. But then I'm sure, like, since then, I bet they're actually like very close. And so I think that people are probably sleeping on a Tiffany and Q alliance.

All right. Well, let's wake up, Rob and go to our third. and final tribe. This is a tribe that I think a lot of people have been talking about. They're scouting out as a potential... Hold on. I got to get my telescope out to see this tribe. There we go. Get out. Yeah, make sure you focus that lens. Wipe the poop off of that telescope lens as we are talking about the pink tribe, the Vatu tribe. The Vatu tribe. Okay, let me try to see if we can get a little closer here.

Okay. I see who's here. Genevieve is there? Yeah. So we've got Colby. Donaldson, we've got Genevieve Mushaluck. We've got the Riz God, a recent standout from Survivor 49. Yes, I remember. We got, if you're forgetting, we got Angelina Keeley, we've got the aforementioned Q Burdette, Stephanie LaGrosa, Kendrick. We've got not our most recently minted, but I guess a very recent winner in Kyle Frazier

and Aubrey Brockow. Okay. All right, this is fun. I mean, what's very interesting is that this is something that I was informed with when I was out there. Colby was Rizzo's age when he started his survivor career That goes to show a lot about the age range of this cast

Right, okay, let's talk about this Okay, all right Let's start with the highly anticipated return of Angelina Keeley-A Angelina, yes She is back and ready to go The highly anticipated return And so very excited for Angelina

And so I think that so many people have ideas about what Angelina's return is going to be like. Mike, could you tease anything in terms of what your conversations with Angelina were like? Well, first off, it was fantastic. Of course, Angelina providing many a soundbite. But she professes, Rob, that she is now a self-aware queen. Yes. We love it. She understands the delightfulness that we got out of the Dululu stuff that happened in previous season.

now she can say, right? Like, well, the rice negotiation might have happened because of me. But she has, she feels like a bit of a better head in the game. You know, since her time on Survivor, she has founded a nonprofit. She started a small business. She started a family as well. But that certainly does not stop her from having this. As Mike said, right, she's very much like Tracy Flick in election. She has this, this very adamant persona that is going to strive to get a certain outcome no matter what. And even if it's going to take a little bit of a softer approach, that is not going to change for Survivor 50. Yeah. All right. Well, let's see who else is here with Angelina. All right. Joining Angelina is, I would say maybe besides that you talk about, you know,

Tiffany's showing up, Mike showing up, but I would say the biggest surprise of the Survivor 50 cast to the point where you might be speculating that she wasn't on the cast to begin with. For time number four, Aubrey Brockow. Okay. Yeah. This, was a big surprise because we did not hear from Aubrey. And we did a talking with T-Bird with Aubrey not that long ago, maybe like a year or two ago. And I think we even talked about Survivor 50. And I feel like that she was much more in like the, I'd never say never, but as a, she's a parent. I just felt like that it was not a desire for her to really want to do it, especially after I did an interview with her

after the third time she played, where I kind of felt like that, coming out of that, I felt like that she was really in the never again camp. So it is surprising to see her back here for the fourth time, but she gave us so many fun Survivor moments over the years. Let's see what she has in the tank. So all of that you just said is very true.

Aubrey remembered, played 32. The next year played 34 and only a couple years later played edge of extinction. After that season, that was the first time Aubrey had time to actually like breathe outside of Aubrey the survivor player. And so she spent a considerable amount of time away. She also became a business owner. She also started a family. And Rob, believe it or not, she actually cites your talking with T-Bird interview as something that helped Kindle the Flame. Oh, really? Wow. Okay. She said like, okay, well, now that I thought about it a bit more, maybe this is something that if I get the call, I would want to do. But yeah, something that should be

mentioned is like, yes, she was purple in game changers. Yes, she had a crash out in Survivor Edge of Extinction. But we kind of forget Aubrey's power player status in Co-Rong to the point where at the time, people were calling her one of the most Rob finalists of all time. Yeah. Okay. Well, that is good to know that, okay, it's not like I'm not remembering things wrong. No. Again, she was lying to herself. And I think it also it also, it also, makes her realize, I think, like, she feels like, we'll talk about this with the Colby interview as well. I think she feels like for the first time in her survivor career, she sort of is like back in that state of excitement that she was during Co-Rong, I'm like, okay, I love this game. Let me make sure I

play to fully embrace that love again. I don't like the way things ended. Let me rewrite the ending. Okay. All right. Well, that's fun. Yeah. I like that. Because then again, again, if we're seeing more of that co-wrong, you know, sneak of game changers, eggs, dancing, quirky Aubrey. Like, that's the Aubrey we know and love. Yeah. Well, I'm happy to hear the players find that in terms of, like, there is, I think, a life cycle of the survivor player, especially being around these people who have played the game over and over and over again.

It's a dream come true. They love it. They don't love it. They're jaded. They hate it. Don't talk to me about it. That's not me. I don't identify as a survivor.

I want to talk about this new thing. I want to talk about this new thing. But then sometimes like it can turn back around. And it's like actually. I hear there's a whole book about it. There is a part of that. But then sometimes there's a rediscovery. And it's like, oh yeah.

I forgot. I love this thing. Yeah. And I think that's going to be very much at the forefront as we talk about Colby Donaldson coming back here. one way how to come back to this game and it's full tilt. He is embodying that, Rob. And I think, again, he's another person along with Aubrey, along with Surrey and Ozzie,

that people are like, do we really need them for the umptean time? And the answer from their perspective is like, yes, because I need to come back. Colby is, Colby is humiliated with the way, especially Heroes versus Villains ended. Wow. And so he has completely changed his life. you know, he left behind like the entertainment industry, once Top Shot ended up holding shop, he went back to Texas.

He's now like a ranch owner and a welder. He fell back in love with the game. He has been watching. And so now he's come back. I gotta know Colby's takes on the new era. Oh, he's got many of them. Again, I'll be putting out my Colby interview later today. There's some very fun stuff there.

But like, this dude is fired up. He is the exact opposite Colby that we left in Heroes versus villains. Yep. So Colby being back, this is just like really, really interesting to see how this is going to go, just to put this all together. So you got Angelina. And Angelina and Aubrey, I feel like I could see that. That could be like a working relationship. They're both kind of quirky and I think that they could have some fun together. And I also think, though, that Aubrey is like such a low key personality that's not necessarily going to be like, you know, only one of us can survive. I think if Angelina decides to go full Angelina, I think Aubrey could like sit in the back pocket and be like, I'll let you do your thing.

Yeah. But Colby with both of these women, I think is going to be interesting to watch. Yeah, I mean, listen, Colby is low key, one of the most entertaining confessionalists in Survivor history. And we saw that first and foremost with the entire Jerry of it all, right? In Australian Outback, we're like, he's kind of a great straight man to react to all the nonsense going on around him. But we also saw him grow incredibly tired of like the very excitable talk

types in its typical Survivor season. Yeah. Okay. So it's going to be very fun to watch Colby back for time number four on Survivor. Time number four. And he says, he says it in the teaser, right? Like, he doesn't know how many more shots he's going to get. Like this for him.

Yeah, I don't know either. This is his opportunity at redemption. So it'll be incredibly intriguing to see like what that means, you know, is it just enjoying the game? Or I mean, we'll get into it. If you read his bio, Rob, Kobe's not exactly the highest on his own change. of winning. So if he feels like... I mean, I think that's a good read. I mean, I think that's a good read. I mean, I think that'd be

pretty wild. Damn it. Damn it read. It would be pretty wild if we're sitting there in May watching Colby Crown, the winner of Survivor 50. It's almost a little survivor winners that were adjacent, right? Of like, if he has a secondary motivation, which is more so like, I want to end my story on my own terms, that is going to be really interesting and corollary to everyone else trying to go for the million. I mean, I love that. I mean, I think that there's such a, like,

richness to some of these characters that are here. And that had always been my complaint with the cast. Like, I don't mind seeing Colby a fourth time as, because there's so much lore around Colby. And I'm really much more interested in exploring that, whereas I kind of feel like that all these other like second chance people, like, I just feel like that that could have been its own season. Like that didn't need to be Survivor 50.

But, you know, it's too late for that. That ship has sailed. Robby Bobby, okay? Well, listen, let's talk about someone from the new era who we should be excited to see back regardless because she's got the bob Robbie Bobby. Bobby.

There you go. It is Genevieve Muchaluk. All right. Well, Genevieve, I'm excited to see play. I had always been a fan of her game. I just felt like that she was like a really sharky player in Survivor 47. So I'm excited to see what she can do with a

second chance here. And so, So we'll see. And I feel like that it's going to be fun to watch her navigate these relationships. And again, I kind of feel like that we've seen her work with Rome. We've seen her work with all types of different players. She loves chaotic men. Yeah. So we'll talk about that with maybe a person coming a couple people from now.

I mean, the thing about Genevieve, she had a really interesting, almost Emily-esque, like, end to her arc on Survivor 47, right? Where she started as kind of this more calcified stone cold killer. and then by the end she's bringing this letter from her dad at the sanctuary being like, I realize I have no friends here because I put up so many walls. What's interesting is where's going to be that happy medium, right? Where's the Smart Hulk version of Genevieve, where it's like, okay, she is someone who can make relationships with people, is able to make bonds, but also like is not afraid to cut your throat

in the middle of the night. And I think she's going to be able to find that happy medium. The big question is, based on the way she was showcased in season 47, are people going to trust her? Yeah. Going back to when they first announced the cast, I have always felt like that Genevieve is potentially on a trajectory of like a Kim Spradlin winners at war where here's somebody who's like this really incredible player and are people. Remember that? Remember when Kim's... They just showed a three second clip of Kim Spradlin.

If I had enough time, I probably could dig that up on the soundboard. But that being said, we have, Genevieve, I'm worried about people being just a little scared of her. Well, not to mention the fact that much like the end of her game, she comes in with kind of having no friends, right? She's the only person from Survivor 47. Genevieve has very healthily stayed out of social media. She doesn't come to me. Mine. There we go.

Kim, Bradlin Wolf jump scare. But I am a little worried. And Genevieve is as well. But she is sort of like Dee feels like if she can get her legs under her for just a couple of votes, much like we kind of saw in Survivor 47, once I actually get to know Genevieve, then she's off to the races. And Rob, you will want to know if she actually practiced firemaking this time. Okay.

So all will be told in my interview. All right. So stay tuned for that. Yeah, so Genevieve, I am looking forward to watching her. I worry that people are going to be afraid of her. In terms of this group, though, Angelina Aubrey Colby, are any of them going to be particularly afraid of Genevieve? I don't know.

Don't really strike me as people who studied a ton of game film. Yeah, you think so? Colby might. I could see a world where Kobe's like, that woman's dangerous. She reminds me to Jerry. Yeah, another, another black. I mean, listen, you know,

she got Parvety comparison. Savannah got Parvety comparison. So this might be the battle of, you know, parvily, Parvety facsimile. I can see her and Angelina really get along. People compare Genevieve to Parvety. Yeah. She has a very similar cadence to her voice, Rob. We talked about us when her interview came out. Voice-wise, I guess so. There was also a moment in, I remember a clip went viral in your interview with her when you're like, okay, you know, did you, like, did you really not

practice firemaking instead play Balder's Gate 3? And she's like, no, I was telling the truth. Or am I? I. I don't know. Like that felt very poverty-coded to me. Yeah, but just play style, I don't feel like that her and poverty are too similar. Not necessarily. Well, let's go someone to someone who's similar to Genevieve, at least in occupation.

Let's go to our fellow lawyer here in Kyle. Kyle Frazier and here he is. And it's going to be interesting to see how things go for Kyle. But I do feel like that Kyle is incredibly well-liked. I don't think that anybody has ever said a negative word about Kyle. No, I mean, that's the reason why Kyle was able to do as well as he did. As he professes himself to be, he's the best average guy you'll ever meet. He's a very just likeable.

I think he's better than average. I mean, I think, yeah, you have the million dollar check to show for it at this point. But I think that, you know, he's a very likable down-to-earth person, which was able to mask the fact that he was able to get away with doing so many things behind the scenes, right? because he had such a tight relationship with Joe, he was able to be like, all right, I'm just going to subtly nudge Joe in the direction

towards David, towards Shaheen. Now, I guess the question, maybe to a lesser extent than Camilla, but still one that's prevalent, is like, can Kyle get away with that play style again? Yeah,

just the nice guy. I think you're worried about, does he link back up with Camilla? But I'd say that for Genevieve, I feel like that this is a good ally for her, because I feel like that Genevieve isn't going to be scared of, Kyle. I think that she liked to work with the strong players in her season, like a Sam that was a team up.

that was pretty good for her up until like. She did say in my exit interview with her for 47 that she, the first thing she'll do if she ever comes back is fine to Sam Phelan on the island. Yeah. So I think that that's going to be, he's going to be looking for people to want to work with him. So yeah, I think that Kyle is also going to be a asset. the challenges where unlike I mean Savannah and D both won a lot of immunities so you know in terms of like oh let's get rid of a winner who's not going to be pulling their weight in the challenges I mean he's definitely going to be able to do that

so I think that he's going to be set up okay here for a winner coming back with only three winners I think for a while I mean I think he could also like the other two winners be used very easily as a shield but like Colby played on a season where they crowned a two-time winner over Russell Hans for the first time, right? Like I think that people will certainly see, because we've seen it now three times in the past, someone get that

crown for a second time, despite the reputation they had previously. So I think if Kyle does make it to the merge, it could be like a when, not if he decides he's eventually picked off. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to okay,

here we go. Okay. Here. is back once again. Not cast the game would be, for lack of a better term, a big mistake. Yeah. I'm so excited that Q is going to be on television and I'm so excited that he's going to be bringing so much. I don't know if I, who I said this to the commercials were on. Maybe I just said it to Nicole. I said that, listen, Q's going to play five or six times before this is all over. And I'm just excited that he is just everything you want in a survivor.

He's this larger than life figure, and I'm so glad that he is back here to play in Survivor 50. You can quibble with, I think, any of the other 11 new era casting choices. This, to me, was always the lock that you had to have on Survivor 50. Yeah, I mean, he is one of the new era. standout characters of the new era, one of the most polarizing figures of the new era,

I would say in that people loved Q, people love to hate Q. I mean, this is a guy who not only was a big character with the hide-and-seek, with the Q-score, which you can imagine is only going to get expanded. The wardrobe is going to lengthen

with Q coming back here, but also he is a hard player, too. This was a guy that torpedoed his own game because he threw Tiffany under the bus. She wasn't getting voted out. And then he said, you know what, just vote me out. Like this guy is chaos embroiled into one smiling figure.

And so that's going to be really interesting in terms of the way he is perceived. I can very much see him be sort of like the radioactive elements of season 50 where people are like, I do not want to work with this guy. He could turn on me in any second. Or there are people who might be headstrong enough to be like, I can change him. I can harness that energy. Genevieve's going to be that. Genevieve could easily be that

because Angelina might be able to be that as well I could see. Yeah, Colby, I feel like it's not going to love Q. I feel like Colby is like, wait, hold on. We had a plan. What have guys, we had a vote set. Now Q changes everything. Now, for what it's worth,

Q does point out and should be noted that like up until that hide and seek episode, which we will watch in a few weeks on CBS proper, he wasn't a very good spot. You know, he was seemingly in control of that winnowing Yon-No group. he had this strong six. People seem to like him.

He seemed well connected. So if he could channel that energy in the initial stages of the game, again, if he can pull that Tony and winners at war and be like, I'm just going to sit on my hands, be, you know, the strong, loyal guy in this tribe, try to key my head down, keep the antics to a minimum. That could certainly help him. Yeah. It's just a matter of when not if that ripcord gets loose and the mask comes off.

And I think they did Aubrey dirty by putting Q on the tribe with Aubrey. Yeah, we have, we had to see this. He votes out Mariah. If anybody has a short memory, he votes out Mariah in Survivor 46 because she said her favorite player was Aubrey. And now Aubrey comes back and she's like, you know what? I'll dust off my survivor stuff. Okay, fine, you got me.

I'll come back. And it's like, hey, let's put Aubrey on the tribe with Q who hates Aubrey types. Yeah, I mean, not nice. Listen, I will tease a little bit. I've got to visit camps. I got to have plenty of behind the scenes footage. I got to see Aubrey and Q have a conversation for the first time about this very matter. So, you know, it's clear that they wanted this type of interaction to happen.

And it is incredible, right? We talk about all the firsthand and secondhand connections to basically vote somebody out because they reminded you of a previous player. And then to actually play with that previous player, this is like a one and a million chance of happening. right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, yeah, that part, I feel like is not great for Aubrey. Don't love that for her. And I feel like that Q is probably push comes to shove.

Like does the tribe want to keep Q or Aubrey? I think they probably are going to like need Q for these challenges, especially if tribal councils are coming like fast and furious of like, especially the first place. Kyle's, Kyle Strong, Colby, if he's keeping up that physique from the old school days, which he seems to do. if you look at those pictures.

Like, come on. What do you? Camilla? Don't try to sell me some fake nareas. To be fair, Q's tribe, despite all that physicality, won very few challenges.

That is true. That is true. But Q looks stronger. Oh, yeah. I'm sure this guy got jacked in the process. Yeah. So I remember we did the deep dive

with Q for Survivor 46 and he said that he's like, oh, I'm like, I'm already training for Survivor. 50. I would imagine as soon as this finished wrapping, he's already training for like Survivor 54, right? Remember the next return he sees

it is happening. Probably. I think he's ready to become a career survivor player. And rightfully so, he's going to play five times. This guy might become the Johnny bananas of the Survivor as we know it. I would not complain. Hey, the Survivor 51, we've been talking about

what are they going to do? How about every season Q is back? Yeah, just replace Jeff. replace Jeff Probst on the slider image on Paramount Plus. Now it's just all cue all the time. Just, yeah, maybe it's a challengeification of Survivor. I mean, maybe that's part of the reason they bring in D and now, okay, he just did the challenge.

But now it's like, what if it's just like a, there's a lot of returning players who are back season after season? Yeah, I mean, that could be the case. You talked about this, I think, on your Tremail episode, right? About like, okay, if this is the winners at war, are we following the mold of the 20s of Survivor, which was so returning heavy. The Survivor feel like there were so many people that were left on the cutting room floor in terms of casting. Let's bring them in certain ways.

Or we could just keep going back to the queue of it all. Survivor 51. Q&A. Survivor Q versus Aubrey. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Q and A. It's Q versus Aubrey.

It's a tribe of all Q types led by Q and a tribe of all Aubrey types led by Aubrey. That's literally Brains versus Braille. But Q versus A Like this is great That's gonna work Let's workshop this This is good This is listen

I guarantee This is better than anything They've got for Survivor 51 Take your notes people Take it to the bank Oops all Q I'm here for it All Q would be

I mean Like all Q types The ultimate test Of too much of a good thing Mm-hmm Okay All right Well, let's move on here.

Two more people to talk about. But we've got to go from Q to the Riz God himself coming out of the brush because he basically lived here. He only had 10 days off essentially between his last season and this one. It is Rizzo Velovic, the Riz God. I have been very complimentary of the photos to this point. I feel like the Rizzo photo. I'm not sure like what was going on here. It's like he's posing for the jacket cover of Lord of the Ray.

Was he walking when they got it? I mean, it's interesting, actually, the photos overall, I feel like they usually go for a very beachy vibe with the Fiji photos. By and large, all of these are in the brush. These are all in the jungle, so a very different aesthetic here. Like Rizzo, Rizzo, can we get a picture with you? Rizzo, Rizzo.

It's like a paparazzi. It's actually very fitting, considering that this guy would probably try to hide behind the metaphoric foliage, but he's wearing this big red shirt because the only impression that people have of this man was the Survivor 49 trailer, Remember, they had not seen Survivor 49.

So the only impression they have of him is, I'm the man, the myth, the legend, R-I-Z-G-O-D, Riz God, baby. Yes. So I think he is in maybe one of the tougher spots of anybody who's here in Survivor 50. Because he's an unknown, and especially to be on a tribe here with Colby,

who is like the one person who is going to be like burned by the ghost of Russell Hans. And so Russell is not. on the cast of season 50, but the idea of Russell, I think, is alive. And I think that to be on a tribe with the culpster is like, hey, we had this guy and we didn't know who he was.

And boy, that was a mistake. We trusted. I mentioned Rizzlehands. I mentioned Rizzlehands before. It could really manifest here in more ways than one. So I think that he is in a bit of trouble coming in. Well, it's also good. be kind of the reverse journey that we saw in 49, where in 49, again, that Riz God persona

was specifically for the confessional until his torch was snuffed. Otherwise, he was just this, you know, amiable, younger guy, excitable superfan. Yeah, he'll, you know, be bloviating with his idol, but, you know, this down-to-earth personality. Now he has to kind of get people to that level, right? Because now everyone's like, oh, the freaking Riz God is playing Survivor. What the hell is that? Yeah, but you could steer into it. Like, I think it can be endearing. I mean, we saw that he had a really, really strong social game in Survivor 50 where people seem to really enjoy his con.

We started to start to hear like from the jury, like, we didn't love everything he was doing. But like on all the tribes that he was on, people seem to enjoy being around him. So I think if he can play into that, I think that he could be like a good foil for Q where like I think that he could. Oh, my God. Yeah, the two of them interacting together. they're like Rizzo is very much going to enable all of Q's shenanigans. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So will Q, will Rizzo be able to endear himself to Q? I'm not sure. But I think it's possible. Oh, I think the other thing that Rizzo can be able to play up, right, is like, hey, I'm the young, excitable super fan. I grew up watching these legends and now I get to play alongside them. I've been talking about this all the time.

It's very much in the vein of like Adam Klein in Winners at War, Zeech in Game Changers, arguably yourself to a certain extent, in All-Stars. I think if he is able to play... I mean, I think if he's able to play that up, I think if he's able to honor that reverence that we were speaking about, that actually could help with the Colby type.

You know, I think there is a part of Colby that's like, I'm going to teach you the ways of Survivor how it used to be young Risgod. I don't think that Colby is much of a teacher in terms of like, I think he's going to be like a little bit more like, hey, Risgod, who's this person? Could be, could be.

But I think that if Rizzo is a, able to get past this first impression. Like if they go to tribal council first, Rizzo could be someone I can imagine get served up as an easy first boot. Just again, as you mentioned, the ghost of Russell hands. Last one in, first one out. Like that's definitely,

could be how they look at it. And also the assumption, right, of like, what did you do on season 49 to give you the immediate callback? And look, I imagine people are going to assume based on the tribes floods that Savannah will have won, so Rizzo will have lost. But they have to imagine he made at least a pretty deep

run, right? So again, the allure of what he might have been. And I'm sure he'll volunteer that information pretty quickly. It's like, you think I won. Well, yeah, well, he'll be able to say, right, like, I sucked in firemaking. I sucked at puzzles. I was cooked in multiple ways. So I'm fine. I'm not a big threat. Yeah, I think Kyle could be a good ally for him. I think that Kyle is probably going to want to keep Rizzo around. It's like, hey, first they came for Rizzo and then they came for me. So I think that he probably is going to want to keep Risgaat around.

So I think he really needs to ingratiate himself very quickly. So he is going to have to be on it from the jump. I could actually see Rizzo and Genevieve linking up. They're going to be like... They both like Red. They both like Red. I think they could also, and they want to leave people on Red. Either they like throw each other

under the bus or they're like each other's best allies because he's also very unconnected. Right? Like these other people had the luxury of being able to like attend events as their season was airing to connect with alumni. Rizzo couldn't have like slid into Kyle's DMs and be like, by the way, I'm competing on Survivor 49. Could I work with you on Survivor 50?

Like he would have been laughed at. He would have been merely put on red as I mentioned. And so I do think he wants to work with either the more old school people or the less connected people. I don't know if he's actually keen to work with the people in the seasons around him. I think that he should be keen to work with. anybody he can. Yeah, I mean, listen, yeah, beggars cannot certainly be cheesers there.

Yeah, I don't think he's necessarily, he's not in like the deposition of like, who do I want in my alliance? You know, I think that he is very much like, I think going to be fighting from the bottom, but, you know, that he certainly could find a way in. Well, listen, he has certainly been there before. That's how he's predicated an entire return appearance on Survivor. So why not pick up from where he left off? Yeah.

And listen, his hero is John Cena, never give up. exactly so they can't see him coming they can't see him behind those bushes rob that's what they were for okay all right last last last last but certainly not least someone we haven't seen on survivor in a while but we have seen on reality tv in the past few years alongside a fellow member of the survivor 50 cast stephanie lagrosa kendron okay this is really going to be one of the more interesting returns uh for stephanie to come back because i think she really wants it badly i feel like that from following like some recent clips that she's posted that she is showing a lot of like her training and everything and how hard the challenges are on Survivor and what she had to do to get ready.

So she, I think, really wants this. I don't know. And maybe this came up in your interview of like how she felt like to then have had the diminishing returns in Survivor Heroes versus Villains. I feel like that she's hungry for a comeback. Oh, as hungry as you might be for a filet mignon pizza at Gigi's. But it's because she is a considerably different person from her perspective. I mean, she played all of her seasons in her 20s.

Now she is in her 40s. She is a mother. She's basically like she retired from reality TV, but she also was like a full time stay at home mother until reality TV came a calling. Again, and she actually talks about playing both snake in the grass and especially the traders as sort of like not a warm up to survivor. it's a bit apples and oranges, but more so this idea of like, let me immerse myself back in an environment where people can lie to you

and try to gauge how good my skills are based on it. Yeah, really other than Surrey, I feel like that the trader's season one is kind of forgotten. And, you know, like, it might be a fun like, rewatch to look at how some of that went. Yeah, I think people forget that Stephanie was on season one of the traders. And she was sort of like low-key. I think Jeff forgot.

I mean, exactly. Stephanie says, she claims that actually she was Surrey's traitor angel. We actually go into a lot of trader stuff, actually, over the course of our discussion, where she talks about the fact that like, according to her, she was actually onto Ceree more than it may have been personified,

but it was more so this quid pro quo of like, let's, did if you keep me, as Colton Underwood once said, if you keep me safe at the roundtable, I'll keep you safe in the turret. We could get into a lot of things from the first season of the traders, but they didn't really know what the game was,

that they were like figuring it out on the fly and they were like Jenna Lewis in Borneo. Exactly. Yeah. So she sort of was the prototype for what a faithful game was. Now the question is how faithful is she going to be in Survivor 50? I think she still wants to go in and like, by and large, because again, you could only play to a certain extent outside herself. So she still wants to like display a bit of honor. She does want to stay loyal to an alliance. We should also mention the fact that her and Colby when last they played were very tight allies alongside Tom Westman. I think they want to pick up from where they left off with that.

Yeah. So we'll see. I mean, that's a maybe throwing a bone to Colby of like, okay, here's at least one person you know, one person you worked with in the past. So what's the breakdown here in this tribe of old school versus new school?

I believe it is three versus five. Three versus five. Stephanie and Colby and all three versus the field. I see a situation where Stephanie and Colby are on the bottom again. Oh, no, sorry, no, no, because we have Angelina as well.

An Angelina. But I kind of think that Angelina and, and Aubrey, like, I feel like that they're, like, yes, technically they are pre-40, but they play in the 30s as opposed to these people who, like, last played the game, what, 16 years ago? So, like, I kind of feel like that, that for the Rizzo's of the world, like, that he has to hope that, hey, we all played recently, let's get rid of the dinosaurs in this troupe. Yeah, it's interesting.

Chrissy puts it a very unique way in her bio where it's like, three kind of classes of players this season are old school, which is like one through 20, new era, which is obviously 41 through 49. And then what she calls new school, which is sort of like this happy medium of the 30s also could have been a good way to cast the show. Yeah, exactly three tribes, three tribes. There we go. But like people who, especially outside of Aubrey, who like haven't played before.

Like one, one to 20, 20 to 40 and then, you know, 40. Like battle of the eras, baby. Nobody would have said no. But Stephanie is definitely. representing that old school era, but she does feel like she also has, you know, kind of a big reason to play outside of the game. Not only is she wanting to play for reasons to represent her kids. Tragically, in the years since Survivor, she suddenly lost both, or two, I should say,

up her brothers. I didn't know that. Yeah. And so they were big Survivor fans. Like she was, they were barely affiliated with the crew and everything. You know, everyone was familiar with this, this big family and the very ebullent, passionate fan base that existed within them. And so she felt in a way that she should come back out and play again to honor their legacies.

Yeah. That's really moving to here and we'll see what they bring with them. And I think that that's something that's going to be really interesting to watch with the people who there's been such a long layoff in between because there's like been so many life changes. And even like for me to come back like to and I ended up doing the, uh, the trade. and, you know, that not Survivor 50, but I really just feel like that it would have been so cool, like, for my dad to have gone back, for me to have ever gone back on Survivor. Like, I just think about that. And it was moving for me to, like, to have another opportunity to do something.

But I think that that would, like, it would, he would have been like a super. So I can imagine what that's like for people who've lost. people who were such a big part of their initial experiences with the show. And that is where, again, the head spaces that people are approaching Survivor 50 with are so interesting because you have these people from these original seasons who have played so many times before. And so now we're kind of entering this season being like, Survivor has meant so much to me in so many ways. Let me try to honor that or, you know, perhaps the people connected to that. Then you have, again, these.

new school players that are like, hey, I want my chance. It's been years. I've been dying to do this. Now I finally get a chance. And then you have these new era players that are like, hey, I'm fresh on the scene. I was able to make this impression. I made some mistakes. Or in a few cases, I was able to prevail through them to take home the win.

How can I build off of that immediately upon my return? Yeah. All right. this tribe we'll see how it goes I feel like there's a few different ways it could shake out

here's the question if they end up losing a couple times does does Stephanie pull a full James Clement and it's like Hugh is a jinx

his tribe keeps losing all these challenges we got to vote him off I don't think that Stephanie ever goes full James Clement I don't think so more likely to dig her own grave

than vice versa yeah okay all right So, Mike, we've talked about the three tribes, and now I feel like this is all coming into perspective now that we've talked about all this. All right. Where do we go from here? What's next? Well, what's next is a but ton of Survivor 50 interviews.

So later today, you are going to check out my chats with the first two members of the Sela tribe, who we kicked off this entire podcast with Dr. Christian Hubecki and Surrey Fields. What a head of hair on Dr. Hubicki? Oh, it is voluminous. I got to get that hair care routine. Arnie a fructice for days. Yeah, okay. Fiji is being good to Dr. Christian.

Certainly compared to the last cast photo. Yes, absolutely. The sun was out that day. So be sure to check that out. So just for today, the podcast version, they're going to be two separate podcasts because they are quite lengthy. There will always be two separate video interviews here on the YouTube channel. but then moving forward, starting tomorrow

when we get into Emily and Jenna, it will be two interviews in one podcast form. So we're going to talk through all of the members of the Sela tribe over the next four days. And then Rob, you and I will get together the day after that to talk through your thoughts on the previous eight interviews and maybe how your comparisons of relationships match up

to what you think about now. And then for anybody who's with us live here or listening very shortly after in the, podcast feed. The Christian interview is premiering today at 4 p.m. Eastern on our YouTube channel. And then the Surrey interview is premiering at 8 p.m. The coveted Wednesday, 8 p.m. slot for Surrey. Yes. And so I can also talk about on my end with Parade, trying to diversify our assets, right, in honor of financial analyst Emily Flippin. So I am putting out interviews. I'm doing two every weekday, but then I'm doing one on the weekend,

so one on Saturday, one on Sunday. But I'm kicking those off as well. In fact, in five minutes, as the crow flies, you can check out my first interview with Jenna Lewis Doherty.

I'm releasing my parade interviews in chronological order by season the way Brainda did the Survivor 50 files. So today, you'll get my interviews with Jenna and Colby. And then every weekday, I'll release interviews at 10 and 2 as I drive it through the preseason.

And then, on the weekends at 10 as well. So you'll get written versions from Parade. You'll get video and audio versions here as well. I am so flipping excited. Emily, flippin excited for you all to check these out. These were like truly surreal for lack of a better term. This was my first returning season doing preseason interviews.

And so to be able to connect with. You did get to interview Bruce a second time. I guess that's true, technically speaking. But to be able to connect with people who I've become. friendly with both in the new era. And so many alternates too. So many alternates, exactly. And in the in the new school, to be able to talk for the first time to these old schoolers, so I grew up watching the foundational days of my reality TV experience. Like, it was second to none. I'll get into a lot more of it as we get through the preseason about what I got to witness over the course of my time on

the set of Survivor 50. But this was a really, really fun group to talk to. And they absolutely brought it in these interviews. Again, I went through every single member of the cast with each of these people. So if you want a full breakdown as to what they think about all 23 people that are competing alongside them, you're going to want to check all these out. Okay. All right. Speaking of things you want to check out, I have been busy if you've been maybe checking out of the survivor coverage for a little while waiting for Survivor 50. I have written a book. It's called The Tribe and I have spoken. We're exploring the lore and legacy of Survivor over the 25-year history.

Did you get, you got your advanced journalist copy? Yes, this is for the equal time clause, right? I have to hype up both know it all the books on the same podcast. We'll talk about it. Well, listen, we'll give Stephen his equal time on the network. But of course, this is a book exploring, of course, so many the great stories and players of this game and all of the amazing memorable moments and of course some strategy talk about how to play from my unique vantage point of being a superfan turned player turned podcaster

and you can pre-order at rob has a book.com that's coming out on May 5th so check that out as well we're going to be doing some fun pre-order stuff that we're going to be announcing for people who pre-order more details to come on that. I am going to be in Los Angeles on March 11th, and we will be reuniting. And Sam, how close are we to the actual, the last, my last live show with Stephen? Oh, yeah. So I believe it was six years. So the last live show that Stephen and I did together was on February 12th.

2020 and we kicked off the premiere of Survivor Winners at War and that was an epic night where Shane Powers had to yell at all of the Survivor Live Night in the audience and then was it but was it also March 11th that we did the live show before the Braia the Braya show yeah no so we did a live show in North Hollywood um which was the it was actually the night that Boston Rob got voted out on survivor winners at war and the world said that's enough and the world That's it. That's it. You know, luckily on the theater, the marquee state, Rob is a podcast for like six months. But. Black to fly forever. Yes. We will be having the patrons have already been snatching up tickets for our live show in Los Angeles. And so the tickets are going to be open now. Oh my God. Breaking news.

Don't dun dun dun dun dun. Rob is website.com slash events for your live show tickets for Los Angeles in March. 11th, and we have a few other dates that we are working on as well. And patrons are going to get the first access to those as well. Over on Patreon, Mike, I did a really fun podcast yesterday with Puyah. I dumped out my trader's notebook. I love this. So these are all what? Your preseason thoughts, your thoughts through the first couple rounds. Yep. Basically, everything that I wrote down, any paper I scribbled down in my room of all of my thoughts going in. And so, Listen, we were there for not for a long time, but we had a good time going through my Traders notebook.

And really, I think I also, for people who might be a future Traders player, I also like, okay, this is what was useful. And then ultimately this was things I was thinking about that were turned out to not be as useful. Yeah. I mean, it's incredible insights. I think, Rob, especially someone as astute as yourself in terms of the observations you were picking up either from a micro and a macro perspective

and especially compared to the results that you discovered upon your elimination. I think it's why we do interviews, right? It's always fun to sort of get in the heads of these players in the moment versus what they look back on from the edited product perspective. So I love this Nose to the Grindstone approach.

Okay. Check that out over on Patreon where we're making some fun content all the time. Rob's website.com slash patron. Then, of course, join us live after the episode. They're hyping it up, Mike, this week. Alan Cumming says that episode seven of the traders is going to be one of the greatest episodes, maybe moments in the show's history coming up. After it all goes down, I'll be live with Pooya around what, 10-15-ish or so. That's how long got that banquet goes for. Yep. Look for us on Thursday night. And in the meantime,

check out my episode six recap with Pooia over in our podcast feed and on YouTube. We also did a fun crossover podcast with my buddy from The Trader Season 4, Tiffany Mitchell. We had a play date. We brought all the podcasters from Traders coverage here on RHAP and then also from the Heavy Crown Network and had a fun podcast the other day with Puyah and Chata and Big D. Yes. Incredibly exciting. Again, two players that were gone too soon. I'm excited to have these two networks collide as well.

Two gamers put their heads together to talk about this season. Yes. So come for the crossover, stay for the dueling Michael Rappaport impressions. Oh, God. Oh, wait. Well, that's quite the promise. Okay. And then yesterday, of course, a huge day for my fellow know it all,

Stephen Fishback, his book, Escape. Oh, sorry. Sorry, that's the wrong side of the book. It is out everywhere. He had a great event last night at politics and pros with Dalton Ross. And so the Escape launch is on. Check it out at Stephenfishback.com. I did a podcast with Stephen.

I read Escape. I interviewed Stephen. I was very happy to Stephen thought that I had thoughtful questions about Escape. So check out a spoiler-free interview with Stephen Fishback about his process for writing Escape is up. And then, of course, so much more coming up over on R-HAP. Are we having fun or what? Oh my God. How could we not be at this point?

To that point, my Jenna Lewis Doherty interview is up right now. So if you are Jonzing for preseason content and you don't want to wait the four hours until we get Christian, go to parade, post-haste, check it out. It was a fantastic conversation. You'll get the video version and audio version of the Jenna interview tomorrow here on RHAP, but I cannot believe it is here.

I'll also tease as well. Of course, this week they also kicked off the Survivor 50 Nation wide idle hikes. Oh boy. Is you go cardboard cut out? Is that what you're going for? Oh, no, you got that. How many days until Survivor 50?

Oh, Rob, you were so far behind. I know. It was fun. Anthony was like every day reading the things. I'm like, that's easy. That's easy. My kids were impressed,

but then they forgot to do it. So how many, let me catch up. How many days until Survivor 50 now? So I believe we're officially like a month until Survivor 50. I don't know if that makes us the full 30s? Yeah.

So they gave us, they sent us a like Survivor 50 Advent calendar. But the thing is, it's like, it's not matched up to the, like, Jeremy Collins and Tony could argue until the cows come home about this. It's not really, it's eight days across. I don't know what day, like, I'm supposed to be opening what. I got to, like, work backwards.

Okay. From February 25th is like, there's one day left. How many? Yeah, because it's also, I mean, we're dealing with February is the short month. So we're not necessarily having to deal with any sort of weird month there. I think we're officially four weeks away. 28 days? Let's see.

28 days later, we'll be talking Survivor 50, Rob. How many contestants quit the game? This is actually kind of hard. What is this? Well, this is tough. Do we count Dana from Survivor Philippines? Does she quit or a medevac, the continual conversation? Now, is it going to be, and it's also very hard to open these things.

Okay, so let's see, how many contestants put the game? He has to have nails to do so, not Keith nails. Yes. I think it's just going to be, I bet it's just going to be a number. I bet it's not going to be a million. 17 people have quit the game. Oh my goodness. All right. Rob, I would out play outlist all the quitters coming this summer. Yes. Okay. No, Brands steal all the quitters. Oh, boy. Well, I mean, listen, we don't want a quitter in Survivor 50, but it would help for our Brandt steal if somebody could quit Survivor 50.

Could it be something where it's almost like a reverse season where it's like you want to quit? You know, the earlier you leave the better and the person who's left standing at the end is the loser. There's probably somebody who was like a borderline quitt. Like I'd love to know like we have to look up the 17 quits because there's probably somebody who was like and also like a quay. There's also like Matthew from season 44. Like was it a quit? Was it a Medevac? It's Schrodinger's territory.

Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. That should be a multiple choice, I think. I don't know if they could fit multiple choice in that little square, Rob. Like this, this calendar of like, has like, has no chill. It's like the, the, the, Questions go from, like, who is the host of Survivor?

Okay? To who how many people have been married? Really? How many Emmy nominations has Survivor gotten? There's also how many Emmys have they won as well in a follow-up question. Yeah. Also, like, what is the prize for Survivor? Don't remind people.

Yeah. Okay. All right. So there you go. All right. Mike, anything else you want to? I should say all that being said. I got to talk with the

CMO of CBS who was in charge of putting this entire activation together to get into his head about how this all came to be. So if you're interested in that and of course hit the road, Jack and Jill, find these idols. Get a picture with them because I posted a video. I posted a video yesterday

of you know that we're supposed to post a video about Find the Idol. Yeah. Exactly. You have to like you don't have to grab it. Don't worry. You could take a picture with it, send in a video and then I believe you get entered into like a draw with your state to get picked to go to the reunion. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. We'd love to see your comments here on YouTube.

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