RHAP: We Know Survivor - RHAP B&B AND Survivor Global S47 Ep 10 Crossover

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

For Episode 10, Mike and Liana are joined by Shannon Guss for a special RHAP B&B/Survivor Global crossover!

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and these are jazz hands we're doing our own touchdown dance as we bid adieu to the man who did so just one week ago we're talking about a pretty big episode that not only took out Gabe, but simultaneously eight shots in the dark from the game too. And much like a teeny's full filled container. I look at the B and B and say, Liana Boris, that's my bag, baby. I was going to say that's on fire,

but not in the Jeff probes podcast way, but you know, in a, like this is a chaos sort of five dumpster fire sort of thing. But anyway, what a great start to the podcast. Yes. This episode was super interesting to me because I also think, and we're definitely going to get into it, that this sort of seems to lay the path for how I think the rest of the season is going to play out. So I'm really looking forward to talking about that, especially with our guests this week. Yes, because while it is a B and B,

we've got a little bit of flavor mixed in some cream to our cookies if you will and the most delectable sounding cake on earth it's the globe b&b as this person coined it last year has re-emerged to talk about this episode what is this a crossover episode i'm so thrilled to welcome in the person who knows a thing or two about the dangers of throwing away your shot it is the one the only shannon gus yes i love that you remember glow beanball because i really think it works like i think it's the kind of thing that time has made only better and the collab is good the collab bean people the collabable no well that'll sound better next time see that's the thing is the collab be the collabable will sound better next time and that what mike don't look at me like

that stroke don't you don't look at me like that you do this all the time and i'm the crazy one for saying collab oh yeah listen this glass house is in smithereens around me when mike bloom is looking at you like you're crazy you know that you need a parent back and that is the that's the metric but i'm really excited to talk about this episode really excited to talk about it with the two of you um i was stressing as a genevieve fan who went to bat for her last week not saying it went well but i was like if she goes next week she will humiliate me and it didn't go well but i'm really really glad that she survived and um i was and i know i'm invested when i'm like my heart is racing so that's good i mean to be fair uh i think any stress that you and the collective fandom might have felt it was very palpable on genevieve's

face as well i mean i think she has low-key emerged for me as like honestly one of the bigger characters of the season whether it is this as annie mccoy and like the silent assassin mindset where she even talks at the beginning of this episode about like yeah i don't like to be emotionally connected because it doesn't allow me to make these big eviscerating moves that i want to but just to see her face basically turn into silly putty and go through all the emotions at once from like the it's almost like she worked her way backwards through the five stages of grief or she kind of started an acceptance going into tribal council and then she votes and she's like either you have an idol and i'm screwed or you don't and i'm not screwed this sucks bye to you know her immediately admitting defeat as

soon as like the second vote comes in for her to her just i would say almost like turtle-like awestruck look when she says oh i can't believe it with like those big glasses as well just absolutely incredible one of the many reasons why i'm happy that genevieve survived the vote yeah i mean the magnified glasses certainly also helped to magnify the expression so i think that that's a big part of it and for me the funniest thing is is if you had asked me in the first couple weeks of the season if you told me that genevieve is going to be this really big character i never would have believed you right this is someone who is so purple throughout the first few episodes and now has really emerged as such a strategic

force and a main player in the discussion and the merge yeah and i feel like if she was going backwards through the five stages of grief she missed bargaining and survivor is all bargaining and no they already did bargaining that was earlier in the episode yeah well they they and that was and we'll talk about a lot about the the rice negotiation which actually turned into a negotiation because As steven said on know it alls i was like the auction is not an auction this negotiation is Not a negotiation and carl thankfully made it one but i will say that yeah i agree with liana i feel Like for me the whole season and maybe this is you know wrong for the new era but i can see how It's laid out here and it's. And I criticize the lack of bargaining

because I feel like for nine people in this episode, five made a really bad move that did not benefit them. And four are in a great spot where it was hugely beneficial for them. And I'm like, well, if there were five where I feel like they didn't go well and there were four where it did, I'm like, if only the five could have made something happen

and that's the bargaining and we'll talk about it. But yeah, I feel like this was a big, like, full convoy for the rest of the season yeah i mean i don't know am i out on limb here when i say this is my favorite episode of the season so far i really liked uh genevieve's other big move which was the the kishan boot but it feels to me like again between some of the stuff that was happening like there was a lot of strategy that was happening but there was some personality involved as well of course the minute-long montage game-long montage it seems of sue digging in on kyle uh you know all the stuff going on with the negotiation that we'll talk

about later on i just feel like and maybe to your point shannon if this ends up becoming like the most important vote of the season it will be seen even more so as a big episode. I feel like the season for me is very consistent. Like last season was like very low lows. And like, I thought extremely high highs that got it to, it's probably my second favorite new era season. Whereas this, I feel like it's probably like four of seven. And like every episode is like enjoyable, but none to me are like, yeah, exactly.

I was fated to be there. That's a lot. That's a a lot let me count on my hands yeah so yeah um i think that every episode to me has been enjoyable consistent i don't see one has been particularly terrible but i also i don't like look back and think any episode stands out as much as like the great new era episodes to me and that's why this season and i'm like i feel like i'm being critical that's i i've enjoyed and I'm like, I feel like I'm being critical. That's like, I've enjoyed the whole thing. I think it's like right in the middle for me.

I think the only episode that I can think of that stands out to me as a singular episode, because I do agree with you, Shannon, I think it's been overall consistent and I can't like pinpoint this specific episode, except for Rome's Boot. I think that that's the only one that really stands out to me

because of the editors just burying him, him getting to sit in the chair, Sam going, you know, oh, good for him. That's the one episode that really, really stands out for me. Is that the best episode of the season? I don't know, but it's the one that definitely stands out the most. I think the reason why the season has felt so consistent is because the gameplay has really been consistent and we've seen powers shift even in the individual or the, you know, the pre-tribe, pre-merge stage. We even see some power flip-flops. So I think that that's kept it consistently interesting, both pre- and post-merge. I've been thinking a lot about that as well in terms of like, and I think there's been tweets around like new era gameplay in the new era casting and everyone's a fan and everyone's smart and there's been stuff about this and i've been thinking about it a lot this week because

i'm like damn it did not go well for genevieve she survived but like by the skin of her teeth and not even i think due to anything she was doing um due to the fact that tuku was more pressing and gay became more pressing and like i think genevieve's out the door next but i'm like it's very very hard you know compared to like someone like Kim Spradlin to play a Kim Spradlin game or we see like if you're one lion out in front what Kim was what like David an Australian survivor how do you win you need players often to play against their self-interest now I do think that five players here did play against their self-interest but I do think new era players are more likely to play in their self-interest that someone like Andy or Teenie or Rachel isn't going to be like

thank you so much Sol or Genevieve or anyone for saving me let me do the emotional thing let me do you know the the the less logical thing and new era players will do that so the way that we see new era winners win is one of two ways mostly that those self-interested players that the Maryann's won't be like I love you Omar I'll have you as a groomsman in my wedding, but I'm still going to vote you out. So we see that happen. And it's very, you can't win as an individual line. You can be group lions like Reba, even like Tika,

and then you differentiate yourself. And those are the two ways. So for Genevieve to be so out in front as a lion, very, very hard to win that as a new era game. And you think, well, maybe she's that special, but I don't even know if that specialness exists with new era players who will eventually get to something where they're going to be logical because this is like the smart super fan new era casting yeah i mean to ape from another show you can bounce checks in survivor especially in the new era i do feel

like the age of like i owe you is over you might want to continue to work with someone because you like them but hell look last week when rachel's like yes so did single-handedly save me from doom but i still gotta join the the you know the group and vote him out here and that's also what's really interesting as well to your point shannon about who or whom may not have been like working for or against their best interest is that despite how much the power has shifted back and forth, I think we still are in what I would say is also kind of a prevalent new era mindset, which is like kind of sticking with a majority, especially when things are so turbulent. It's sort of like, well, if things are swaying in this direction, let me hop on board that I'm not

someone who's left out of the vote, because we can see as an example of Sue and Kyle, like what happens when you vote in the minority and i love that sue from a story perspective now sort of has that that hand dealt in her direction where we can certainly talk about it about with the gabe vote you know we're caroline we're kyle making moves like specifically on their own merits to say yes i want to take out gabe here or was it more so, hey, there's five people. We know where the votes are going. And so let's just hop on board to make sure

that we don't stick out like sore thumbs and especially really, you know, propagate this idea of too strong until the end. Well, and I think we see a couple moments where it seems like both Kyle and Caroline are of their own volition volunteering Gabe, but also, so Kyle, let's say, for example, when he goes on the reward,

of course he brings up Gabe's name, but almost like, of course he brings up Gabe's name, right? Because it almost feels like that's what he should be doing. And also it helps to keep him in the loop if they think that he's willing to go on board. So then he can find out, okay, yeah, I am safe in the off chance that he doesn't win immunity.

And then Caroline also goes up to Andy and says, hey, I'm concerned about Gabe. But who knows? Maybe she overheard Gabe's name being talked about. And so did that to sort of like save herself. I don't know what the situation is, but at least we see some instances where they're doing it on their own. But it's tough to know if that's they actively wanted Gabe out or did so because they didn't want to be the tall poppy.

Oh, maybe it was Caroline being cheerleader mode as she likes to do she's like oh you want to vote out Gabe that's great yes yes absolutely cheerleader that's a bad type of cheerleader who's like yeah I want to vote out my ally it's like wait what don't be supportive like that that's not the kind of supportive but I'm like very critical of Caroline especially in this episode and I love Caroline um and Kyle to an extent but I expect more from Caroline. Like I really think Caroline's a great player. And so basically where I feel about it is, and they talk about this at the very end of Know It Alls,

but when Gabe and Genevieve, the two targets are talking at the end, I really thought that was going in the Rob Tassinino direction, right? Right of like, let's work together. It was so up. Yeah, because it was like, it was was like it's one of us and they were just like yep i'm like not yep and and i do think like if we talk about like people not

acting in their best interest i don't think that this was due to like an emotional response like i do think and steven talked about this in odors it's probably a lack of time i think genevieve who's been really calm and like been able to kind of work through the game in slow motion was overwhelmed by this change in position and maybe like it doesn't come to you in the chaos when you're both targets it's hard to think about it but yes if you like come together we can talk about it for a Rachel or a Sam really good options it benefits everyone I put it into excel I ran the simulations we can talk about it but it is beneficial for everyone to extremes especially to who there is literally no negative and for someone like caroline and kyle

if they don't have them obviously they can't do it but for caroline when you know the vote you make it happen like liana i love that you're responding to this and you you seem if you just agree with me now i'm gonna be surprised based on your reaction oh my god no no i had i had literally the same reaction as soon as genevieve's laying in that hammock and Gabe goes after her, I was like, oh, oh, oh. Because I immediately start running through the scenarios for the other Tukus, right? Because you're talking about the four Tukus, a lot of Genevieve, that's five.

They can vote out Sam. They can vote out Rachel. They can vote out someone else. Because as Kyle has even expressed, once Gabe goes, even more of a target on him. Caroline has said, what did we hear when it was Rachel's time to go when Saul saved her she was like she's my favorite that's why she's gotta go yeah I mean come on and then Sue obviously you know Sue will save Gabe who she loves and was

gonna vote with Gabe anyway so to me it felt like an absolute no-brainer for that group and then they have four out of eight like that's yeah or they have five of them yeah and then two who would have four right exactly and what i would what i would offer is uh let's say you're caroline and you're like god they're still five together then you pull suicide and you say hey it's gonna be gabe tonight can you play your idol on her uh which I think I mean I think Sue would do it like how many times have we seen and basically her edit has kind of become besides I hate Kyle I love Gabe and I think she would have played the idol on her on him if she was sort of given the tip off because as Gabe said like if the goal is in the intermediary at least to get the two goos as far as you can

then expend any resources you need to to be able to get to that point and so i guess then the question is brought up because gabe actually brought up to me that he was thinking of jumping out you know against the two coups should he have survived that he had thought about multiple paths towards the end and obviously the two coups pulling the reba would be great but he was also thinking okay maybe i go to the end with teeny maybe i go to the end with sam etc etc maybe someone like caroline is already seeding those things to go further with other people maybe she's pulling a genevieve and hoping like hey if i leave sue out of this i'll be able to come back tomorrow and we can repair it and we look more fractured as a group but yeah this did

feel like in my opinion, probably the first major misstep she's had this game. Well, I mean, I don't think you even need the idol. And I think that would be like quite a big expense. I mean, I think that if you're, you know, worried Gabe will come for you, I think Gabe will have a lot less agency to do it. I mean, he's the name, he's the target.

I think you can do it. I think for Caroline, she's such a logical player and here's the path in front of you. You have the information. And for me, if I'm Caroline, I think she over in volition went to Andy and said, I want to can do it. I think for Caroline, she's such a logical player. And here's the path in front of you. You have the information. And for me, if I'm Caroline, I think she of her own volition went to Andy and said, I want to make this move. He's like, there already is a move that to me, I wouldn't do it anyway,

because I would want to go to the eight with four chukus. And I think that a lot of us as commentators are like, just do it. And there's just so much internal discord that they won't do it. And it just feels so obvious that that's what they should do. But yeah, I mean, even, even kind of beyond the numbers of it all um just coming there with a plan that's already happening without you is like oh I was about to lose in this vote so piling on isn't really going to make it a win for me and from a credit perspective I feel like Caroline the perception of the wounded birds is concerning for me and she doesn't get this move on gay

you know like she is piling onto something that was going to happen without her. I'd be out just for that, even if it had been a good move for her, which I don't even think it was. So then you have all the information. You do not need the idol. You go to Gabe and to Sue and to Genevieve.

Gabe and Genevieve, you're the two targets. It's a 50-50 toss-up. Want it to not be a toss-up? Like, want to put that into your own hands? Sue, obviously, is already in. That's four. And Kyle, Kyle is even verbalizing the reasons Gabe shouldn't go and gabe said in the x interview like using up the gabe shield while kyle is immune is a big big loss i mean kyle isn't isn't a threat

because of the four two coups that's not the problem he's going to be an individual challenge threat regardless so coming you know with that and the fact that gabe is good for all these people it's all in their best interest and then you get to a point where you're four of eight two coups then you hopefully get everyone on an easy Genevieve consensus which is you know and it's still best for Genevieve because she at least is definitely surviving the night and who knows what happens from there but you go to Genevieve then you're four or seven and then sure now let's look at taking out the Carls the Gabes and getting the credit for it and having to be closer to the end it's such a clear path for me I really think it's a winning path and i think she just went in the other direction and i'm upset

about it because i think maybe with more time maybe with you know more clarity i know she's a very logical player i know that this was all probably happening in chaos but there is the win i feel like i see it and i'm they did that rice negotiation one day too late she had a secret scene where she was like said she was actually really struggling almost like putting words and thoughts together out there because of the the mounting hunger and so if she had won that cookies and cream cake this could have all gone in a very different direction it's so hard because i'm like do the big brain thing on no energy and resources and i understand that but it's just for me i literally i i i'm it's very hard for me to see how caroline wins now because i think she needs a big perception change and where is that move coming even if she gets

taken to the end now i think maybe it'll be to beat her because of the perception of her as maybe a quieter player maybe in like her demographic as well and i think that i can see the path to give her control to then start cutting it up and making the moves and this would be a great move but i don't think it would have poked her head out that much um because there still would have been and I said this with Genevieve last week but there still would have been the games the cars Genevieve um and other threats I think it would have been perfect perfectly placed for her I have all right so I have two thoughts the first is why is cookies and cream cake like the best cake because when Jeff was like do you want to know what kind of cake it was and then oh my god not cookies and cream cake like the best cake because when jeff was like do you want to know what kind of cake it was and then oh my god not cookies and cream is cookies and cream have some sort

of reputation that i don't know i mean it's my it's my far and away my favorite like if there is anything favorite cake mike's is like yes it is my favorite favorite flavor i would drop to my knees cookies and cream is your favorite flavor if if anything. Like ice cream? Yeah, I mean, if ice cream, that's very traditional. Ice cream, cake, milkshake, like anything involving dairy and sweets. Like, if there's a cookies and cream option, I'm almost, like, everyone loves Oreos. Oreos is objectively the best cookie. And so you're just, like, blending it up and combining it with ice cream? Like, what is their solution?

It is good. Cookies, good. Cream, good. It's not my favorite. I need some peanut butter in there for something to be my favorite. I mean, I would agree with you, though, Liana, that this does not sound like a selling point

for, I'm going to say, at least 75% of the population. Luckily, they caught the 25% in Gabe, who seems like he saw Jesus Christ in his mind's eye when he ends up hearing about the cake in general. But I don't know why this ended up being not only that the punctuation point at the end of his usually salacious sentence describing the sanctuary.

Well, and I liked it because then he was like, do you want to know what it is? Like he didn't even just reveal it, that there was some extra reveal to the whole cookies and cream nonsense. But anyway, I digress. So cookies and cream aside, the other thought that I had

about this whole Carolineoline situation as well which kind of gets into what narratives were being set up with moving on to the rest of the season so what i see as an outside observer is caroline not being included in this sort of like other alliance of misfits that's being formed that was not a relationship because i'm calling them the non-tukus and that's just not that was not a relationship because i'm calling them the non-tukus and that's just not that good no i mean i think they uh i think not so much about next week yeah they don't they do like a cheers to like the underdogs or the misfits or something but in that in the next week preview like sue and carolina there but yeah i think they said like

outcasts exactly so of the tukus the only person who we saw have this other relationship with Sue and Andy. So to me, that is a valuable relationship that we're going to see progress forward. But Caroline was not included in any of those conversations. So additionally, even though she does flip to be on the other side, she doesn't seem to be a core part of that. And I don't see her then being able. I mean, maybe she can infiltrate it, but it seems like that misfit group is really starting to form. And I think that there's some wheels to that i mean yes and no i do agree you know the way genevieve sort of describes the dynamics going into this vote as like there's four tukus and five miscellaneous people that are just kind of like atoms colliding occasionally

working together and then drifting apart i still think well i do agree that that stability is starting to form i do not think it you know the jello is completely set whatsoever considering that you do still have the fact that andy turned on sam you still have the fact that andy is throwing genevieve under the bus to rachel like i still think there are some fractures there that i do not think hell i mean look at what happened with teeny and genevieve in this episode which I found so invigorating like the first few minutes I I love emotions on survival I love how you like it was so invigorating the Teenie was so upset honestly yes everyone's crying yes this is the man who points at others literally no because I think in a especially in a season that is all

about like the different moving strategic pieces it's a very marked reminder and Genev because I think in a, especially in a season that is all about like the different moving strategic pieces, it's a very marked reminder. And Genevieve, I think, expresses, says out loud, something that basically every single person who has played feels, which is like, shit, I hurt someone's feelings badly. Like I, survivors living in your own little world and from TD's perspective, their world just ended. And having to deal with that their world just ended and having to

deal with that and dealing with and also having to deal with it unintentionally like that's the interesting thing about genevieve is that she really thought she could have her cookies and cream cake and eat it too she felt like i'll plan to solve blindside and none of this will get back on to me just like the kishan vote i'll slink into the shadows and it all completely blew up in her face that's why it was really interesting to your point to like steer in a completely different mode because this was the first time that like she had really been outed the entire game and so to have her and teeny really speak to truth a lot of these concepts that a lot of people go out that they're that honestly we as fans should sometimes

remember of like yeah these are irrational human beings sometimes they're squishy bags of meat that sometimes make bad decisions and feel bad feelings like it it really brings me a lot of life and heartens me and reminds me that yeah you know before during after their on island experience like they are people at the end of the day no they are numbers and this is the thing and and can i just say that they know that these players the the teenies the rachels the andy's who i think are in the best spot and i want to talk about it because i think one of those three will win they know about self-interest and you say like but there's been all of these like you know they're not the sue being like you know weeks of i want to kill carl they will get over it and

we see now we are in a group that now the game is out especially it's literally just Sue and Caroline like we had like the three Larvo pairs one individual from each the three God of pairs from the beginning one individual from each and now just Sue Caroline and Kyle and I think that speaks for itself and for the self-interested players the outcasts um I do think that they will know where the going is good and it's with each other they're now on a path where if I'm teeny and Rachel and Andy I'm thinking we've all kind of had misses in the game um we might want to sit next to each other we could probably have a good story against each other and we need to take out these big threats like now Kyle now Genevieve maybe we'll take like a Carolina to do with us but we'll have the control in that we'll cut Sam along the way like it makes so much sense and they

should do it and they're so benefited to do it so I do think that they will because they know to do that and I don't think that Genevieve is part of the outcast like Sam says the five but Genevieve's not Genevieve's had power she's she's a lion it's these other hyenas and that's how I see this nine you had four two crews who refused to be a unit but you were so close we'll discuss then there was Genevieve and then there were these four others. Sam has also been on the bottom, but I think we'll get cut along the way, but I think did very well in Sam,

Teenie, Andy and Rachel did so, so well. And yeah, that's why it comes back to me that just imagine if Genevieve and the two crews turn it around and take out Sam or Rachel, we can, we can decide that and then have the power to go from then on.

And now I think the other group have that. Now I think the other four can hopefully get it for them, an easy consensus on Genevieve and then have four of seven and then start picking where they want to go. And it'll be someone like Sam in a Kyle spot now who might have to, you know, protect being cut. But yeah, I just think they did so, so well. Yeah, so I put up the Excel spreadsheet, by the way.

Okay. Is this interesting to anyone? Yeah, walk a is this interesting to anyone because i want to hear the simulation no don't not even with me silver at the moment i feel like not at the moment but but um i do feel like um if you are um it's already going to it's going in a really good spot so the question is is it like a prisoner's dilemma does genevieve and tuku go together and now they're like oh but are you just trying to get me should I not trust that no because for Tuku there is literally no downside like for Tuku if they vote for Sam and they're like we're gonna do this and then Genevieve does actually vote like turns against him and votes for Gabe but then the if the other side vote for Gabe like you know um I'm not explaining this well there are eight simulations okay yeah there are eight possibilities of where everyone could vote assuming that each of the three sides genevieve tuku and the non-tukus could vote for one of the there's three of one of the other two sides because there's three sides does that make sense

yeah so it's four four and one is basically what you're yeah there's three sides a four four and a one so in the eight possibilities two of the times Gabe's gonna go anyway so it's like it doesn't matter which way you go you know like for if you're Gabe as an example you can vote for Sam or for Genevieve if the all the other side vote for you you're going out five to four regardless right that Genevieve has the same it could be eight to one twice in two of the ways if they just vote together for Sam Sam will go and that's better like survival is important and also I think Sam going is better for the two crews in Genevieve going because if Genevieve goes anyway they go back to a 4-4 next week this way they go back to a 4-3-1 vote out Genevieve hopefully go through to a 4-3 so that's even better and then on the

ones where maybe is this making sense yeah yes okay great the way you're looking at me like maybe it's not on the ones where you hear the ellipses at the end of Leon's response the same way that Sam responded to to Jeff when he's like Gabe convinced you and Sam's like sure oh I love that moment it was it felt but anyway whatever whatever jeff you got me where you want me sure whatever i don't care shut up on the last two where it could be like so say you are chukwu you know we're gonna vote for sam and now what's happened is um actually the other side has voted for genevieve and she's betrayed you and voted for gabe and you're like no we could have just been an eight-1 on Genevieve. Actually, then it's just a Sam-Genevieve 4-4 and you actually have the power at the revote between

a Sam and Genevieve 4-4. So there's no downside to that. So if you're Genevieve, you're like, wow, this really behooves them. They're probably going to do it. There's no downside to get out a better target and definitely survive. And if you're Genevieve, the one tiny little, I think this is making sense now. If you're Genevieve, the one tiny little risk is that if you, okay, I'm going to vote for Sam. I'm going to go all in on voting for Sam. But they've actually voted with you. The non-truthers have voted for Gabe and now you've given up your 5-4. And the other side have betrayed you and voted for Genevieve.

Now it's a 4-4-1 where it's Gabe and Genevieve and you've just voted for Sam. So maybe the other side who just voted for Gabe are like, screw you. And they vote for Genevieve and she's given up her five four that's the one tiny little risk to genevieve other than that she she wanted to play a shot in the dark like she thought she was out she thought it was like a 50 50 shot i think this did make sense in the end eight eight versions in the simulation in excel there's no downside to tuku just trust the map there is no downside for them to do it and genevieve can trust that there's no downside for Tukku. Just trust the map. There is no downside for them to do it. And Genevieve can trust it. There's no downside for Tukku.

No risk at all. So they're going to do it. It gets out a better target. It's so trustable. This did make sense. It made sense. And Finn. I mean, I think I look at it as what's best for each individual player.

Right? Like what I think is best for each individual player. Gabe, obviously it makes sense. And Genevieve, I think for both of them, because if, and that's assuming that they can trust each other. Right. Because that's again, that conversation

that we were talking about with the hammock shouldn't just be Genevieve going, yep, yep, yep, yep, to be like, listen, we both need each other right now. We are considered, we are the names that are being bandied about by far the most besides Kyle. Out of anybody here,

if I'm gone, you're going to be gone next. But it's not even about being gone next. That's what I think is important. Because I do think Genevieve either way, like either side of four, I think should take out Genevieve next and probably will. But it's about,

it's not about going gone next. It's about one of us will go tonight. We are the two options tonight. Like we are perfectly exactly in sync in terms of if it could be me or you a 50 50 we don't have the control there's basically four other swing votes hitting us against each other and then choosing our fate what if we come together and decide the fate and then neither of us will definitely go tonight and for Gabe yes you'll be in a four with Tuku and you'll you the 4-3-1, which will be perfect

to the point where last week I would have said, Genevieve, no, definitely don't embolden Tuku to being four of eight. But at this point, beggars can't be choosers. Her position is so low that you have, at least it's saving you four tonight. So you know that Tuku would want to do that, obviously. Who goes next?

I think he meant like tonight. Yeah, exactly tonight literally we need to save each other I mean what I do find interesting is you know Tuku as much as Gabe talked about the four out of eight going back to your earlier point about how maybe the the outcast misfits little rascals whatever you want to call them are like coagulating into an end game group assuming that the next two easy targets are some combination of genevieve and kyle i think those are two although they choose to complicate things some more i think these are two incredibly easy things to serve up and i think some nice palette cleansers after like this big gabe blindside that helps shift things in a monumental direction then it's seven then you only need four and so i would imagine maybe from

like especially an andy perspective right who were seen specifically as making all of these one-on-one connections i imagine he is trying to formulate what that four is because basically once they get to seven barring any sort of unforeseen circumstances involving idols or shots of the dark reappearing in the game or what have you then like you could run the table feasibly to get to the end well and i think that's why we saw that conversation with andy and sue because obviously andy is thinking about this not just the four but i mean who he wants to sit next to in the final three and sue seems to be that person for andy which if it's that person for andy sue is probably

that person for a lot of people so that's why to me sue i differentiate from the rest of the two because i see her almost as like her own entity of people want to bring her to the end because they see her as a goat and they see her as someone who they can beat but no one is a goat to like no one should be a goat this early and that's the thing that's why i come for like caroline and sue it's like if they play optimally there's a path and i know the perception of sue is not great and i do think the car stuff is increasingly terrible but like for sue and caroline especially like sue has an idol you know i feel like so good about rachel's chances because i'm like she has an idol and i bet she uses it in a cool way like for sue

yeah if you just do something better now control touku get the emotions out of the way to have not hate kyle because he's poor maybe i don't know what's going on there and but then use the idol to make sure you win the war with gabe later on that could be a winning move and i know that the perception will always be tough with that demographic and i'm not saying that's not true for sue but i feel like the move should be there. So yeah, I mean, for Caroline, I think, you know, it's been spoken about. For Kyle as well, you know, yeah, the shield with Gabe, like it's just,

it's there for everyone. And I just feel like this was a big miss for Tuku and Genevieve, unfortunately. I don't know. I think Sue, I think they know the perception of Sue. I think they figured out who Sue is. I think especially Sue, someone who has stuck. Her job? That's the one thing they haven't figured out that's right yes as what was uh in the word association i think saul was 45 that was his word association for her which is hilarious

um but anyway so look the way that i think sue is being perceived if andy is willing to have this kind of conversation this early there is a perception of her and i think she also came in when we did all there you know mike did all the pre-season interviews sue was like the top of everybody's list of someone she wanted to work with cookies and cream of people the cookies and exactly mike's favorite flavor of human that's gonna be my new that's what i aim to be cookies and? The cookies and cream of people. Honestly, like, that's my end-all be-all in life. I could have all the monetary success I need, all the happiness,

but, like, that'll be my unfinished business. My ghost will haunt this mortal plane until I am deemed the cookies and cream of people. So, Pui and I at dinner, we were talking about what's the best compliment you personally could receive, and so now I know what it is for you, Mike. If I ever really want to compliment you, I will say, you're you really are the cookies and cream of people

i could cry i know i love you man anyway uh was it about to uh yes so i sorry shannon but like i just don't think that there's a way for sue to salvage i mean she would really oh no i agree with you. I'm just saying, like, if, like, you know, I'm just saying, theoretically, at the final nine, no one should be an all-out GOAT at this point. I mean, Marianne was seen as a GOAT at this point, but Marianne had a different approach to Sue.

If me, my biggest issue with Sue is the way she is approaching the game. You know, if she's in confessional, like, everyone thinks I hate Kyle, but actually, and then she's a different human being. But I'm just saying, theoretically, no one should be a goat this early and everyone should be able to put the building blocks in place to get to a final three where they could possibly sit next to two people that they could be this early on I do think that that will change later and I don't think that's true for Sue but I think that that's an indictment to this point

possibly possibly on some stuff that's unfair demographic style and possibly on some stuff of the way that she is approaching it so I think that's tough and for someone like kyle then should you say well he should flip on toku because toku have been coming for him we don't endorse it it doesn't make sense as much to us that toku won't just try and like really just like take this down to four of eight but they they are coming for him so should he turn but i do think for kyle firstly again it's mostly just on on shields for me you know so fit for k, if he can get through with a little bit of two-coup stability, if they were doing better, or even just having Gabe as a shield. Take out like a Rachel now would be best for Kyle.

And we can talk about Sam and Rachel as a target. Take out a Rachel and then know that Sam might become a target. Gabe might be a target. Genevieve might be a target. Just to get you a little later to try and win out closer to the end is best case scenario for Kyle. To me, especially because I think he was misreading it. And what Gabe says in the exits is, he's like, well, Gabe will come for me.

And Gabe was doing it more as like a means to an end because Kyle was that option. I think Gabe, more than anyone, probably wanted to work with Kyle. So keeping Gabe, even if it's not a two-two thing, but just as a pure shield and a possible ally, is I definitely think what he should have done. And yeah that up when he was vulnerable i mean when he was immune and not vulnerable and like the shield potential of gabe like he wasn't a shield here his power was immune so that was a really big miss so yeah i mean that's the thing about kyle is that it's

it's so interesting because i feel like we haven't really gotten this in a while in survivor of if i'm kyle i basically have to make every move with the impetus of like okay if i don't win immunity what's gonna help me not get voted out because now i think honestly and maybe there are other relationships that we won't see or the the worm will turn or whatever but i think from my perspective every other window has shut uh you've won four individual immunity challenges you have one we'll talk about who won what but yes you have you have worn the most amount of immunity necklaces out of anybody in the talk about who wore what necklaces for what reason okay sounds like what should we talk about it the asterisks of the split tribal

council there's so many i can't like because people are arguing with me about this you can't put him in the record books with the other five-time immunity winners he was beaten by two people at the very least at the very least the teeny and genevieve who have no stats on their record literally beat him and like people it's a different game i'm like he actually was competing directly against him for a reward which he lost like that one is like an actual loss for me like that's the other ones are just kind of funny like yes murgatory he was only against half the tribe but i guess he had earned that by winning the group challenge it still is half the tribe and people are like well

you know there you play fewer people when you get to the end game it's like yeah but then you've survived through rounds to get to the end game to to own that right to only competing against fewer people um and then obviously it was it was a co-win with sue sue might have outlasted him we don't know to this point but okay fine they a lot of people get co-wins but those are just kind of funny that there's an asterisk but one of them he did lose to two people and people will say well that was the game yeah that's what i'm criticizing i'm criticizing it because it's dumb edge of extinction he just won yeah that's what i criticize it's stupid anyway okay but it doesn't we're talking about it in the context of perception right so who cares he should be like i didn't win he should say that all day every day actually no jeff um you want to

record he should he should be like he should laugh it off he should be like isn't it funny that I literally lost to two people and I'm getting this record I would be doing that because it's also true let alone the threat level and he didn't win okay if he had like one other individual immunity like and it was like oh Kyle's won two individual immunities then it could be like well one technically but he's got like a good I don't know he's got a bunch except this one well I know but then gabe's also has an asterisk because it's like well you competed in groups and then blah blah blah three people yeah exactly only beat three people i guess that is true and according to the casuals

he took his foot off of the thing so technically should have been disqualified despite the fact that it's not in the rules but okay it's a matter of perception. Maybe the issue is that every single challenge of the entire merge has an asterisk because that's New Era challenges and that's the conversation that we should have though. That's why I say winning is a person in the New Era. I don't necessarily, I don't know if it goes up against Colby Donaldson or Brad Culpepper.

It's just like, but all that being said, I think it just becomes the easiest thing. Like, yes, he was able to get by last week because of the protection of the two coos dave being a large example of that and the fact that genevieve wanted to pull this big thing on saul but i just think it's so freaking easy to be like okay who should we get rid of i don't know the guy that has won 80 of the challenges this season. He has, either from a tribe setting, a group setting, or an individual

setting, he has lost three challenges this entire season in 10 episodes. I know that as the game starts getting sticky towards the end, there are more convoluted reasons to take people out, but I feel like

especially with these back-to-back-to-back tribals, sometimes people just want a break in terms of logic and i just think it becomes so easy to say well kyle's not immune this time easy to get rid of him a way for all of us to get on the same page and then we reshuffle the deck and move forward the next day so if i'm kyle i have to adapt my gameplay to thinking through okay it's no longer like which alliance is working best for me it's just got to become okay in the worst case scenario if I lose immunity or let me try to vote people out and maybe this is one reason why he gets rid of Gabe let me get rid of people who could be a threat to get me immunity at the end of the day. Yeah. But like, is Gabe even that person? And like,

and then let's talk about him last week. Well, who beat him? Okay. Fair enough. He beat him one time. If anything, like Sue has been like, I think like really an endurance threat against him. I think that that's why when you look at it, Sam or Rachel, you know, I mean, to be fair, if I'm Kyle on the target now, if they do the dream thing, we all wish they did be fair if I'm Kyle on the target now if they do the the dream thing we all wish they did like if I'm Kyle yeah you could take out Sam as an immunity threat or you take out Rachel who then leaves in the other threats with you to give you some chance if you

don't win because it's going to be very very hard to win out especially because who knows what winning is sometimes coming third is winning so in saying that maybe you know and we kind of see this in other like challenge archetypes, like Chappies, for example, it's like he was trying to maximize the win in other ways, or, you know, maybe maximize the chance of winning, or as you're saying, maximize the chance if you lose. And I do think if you want to maximize the chance of winning,

you could still take out like a Sam, and I think that would be fine. But I would, for me, take out maximize the chances if you lose. Take out a Rachel, and then people might be focused on the Sams and the Gabes and the Genevieve and I do think Gabe and Genevieve were at that point anyway and then hopefully get you to a point where you can win out a lot further down the line now if I'm Caroline I'm thinking I want to take out like a Sam because if you take out Rachel here then you know you're gonna have to get rid of like all these people kind of blocking up the end game these like big guys who juries tend to love the you know sam um dave kyle genevieve

you're leaving them all in the game if you take out a rachel i think that one's tough it's better maybe to depower rachel um here and maybe take out like a sam um but honestly both good options across the board sam's an easy name rachel i think has been a target um is a huge threat as well great options for me i i yeah i think the rachel thing is tough though because while i do agree that from a demographic perspective yeah these these bigger younger more athletic guys are usually perceived as like the big heads but rachel has a pretty dang good resume up to this point i mean even looking at her story right she verbalized it in this episode. I lost my closest ally right before the merge, and I've been searching for a partner, and I was doomed. But because of my own connections, I was able to get Saul to single-handedly save me.

And then what did I do? I voted him out the next opportunity that I could. You know, obviously, they don't know this, but she has the idol that she could play as well. I think that, you know, what Caroline espoused about Rachel a couple episodes ago ago is that in her opinion she is on the same level as some of those guys that you were talking about and you know we'll talk about this edit in a little bit i do wonder if this is the canary in the coal mine for an eventual rachel win that it's like hey despite her being personified as on the out she actually is very threatening if she gets in with the right amount of people and as she vocalizes in this episode she feels like she finally is starting to get her footing back two other things for rachel one she's really good at

puzzles what did we learn from the pre-merge that she there are no puzzles in in the later they do do puzzles in our australian survival there'll be puzzles that's true they will start getting puzzles so once they stop doing the stand and hold a thing type challenge we will start to get puzzles and i think that that's somewhere that she could excel she's got puzzle socks for goodness sakes um and then the other thing about rachel the um the edit of rachel it was last week when she got the, I played my shot in the dark explanation. That moment was like, aha. Okay. We, as the audience are getting an insight into why she's making certain moves and Shannon, you brought up teeny is another one of your possible winner

candidates. The reason why I would write teeny off is because a lot of the confessionals we get from teeny. I mean, obviously we get a lot of really great stuff in this episode specifically, but before that it was either teenies in the middle of chaos because lava was a hot mess pre-merge or teeny gets the content. That's sort of moving the story forward, but not necessarily about their own personal perspective. So teeny got a lot of content that was talking about, Oh, and all women's Alliance. What does this look like in survivor broad strokes about these idols and advantages and things like that that's more big picture narrative not necessarily about them specifically so that's why for me teeny has dropped off of my winner candidate uh list

go ahead shane i would have rachel first um but from an editing game perspective i want to talk about that but rachel i think is a very different. If this fulcrum move goes a different way, this might be the move that opens up the path for Rachel. And I want to talk about that. But if Sam goes here, I think Rachel's path is very, very different. And I think the way that you argue against her is very, very different. That's not just Rachel, who now is a smart player, who has these like cool resume things, like, you know,

little underdog moves as I've described them, like the shot, the shot in the dark, engaging that, or even like trying resume things, like, you know, little underdog moves as I've described them, like the shot in the dark, engaging that, or even like trying to get the rights, like these things that jurors will love because they're cool and novel. And now she has a pathway. She could use her idol.

Well, now I see it for Rachel. Other than having the idol, if Sam goes here and I'm Caroline sitting next to Rachel, I'm thinking out of the Sierra vote, you know, out of the Annika vote, out of the Sam vote. This is someone who was so depowered.

So there were the cool little things, but I had the control. So keeping a depowered Rachel for me is okay. And you know, the, the, the puzzle aspect is its own concern as well. So I do think like, again, Sam and Rachel are both big threats in their own right, but depowering either one of them to sit next to them at the end and just be like, they were an underdog, but they were an underdog.

Cause I kept them there and we might like underdogs but like they had no power and control so if they get to the end with me that's something I can argue against so yeah taking out either one of them for their respective threat level if I'm Kyle and Caroline who are making this decision in their best interest as like really you know wanting to kind of shore up their end game Genevieve and Gabe and even Sue for Gabe are just trying to survive but if I'm Caroline and Kyle thinking how does it look for my end game I'mvieve and Gabe and even Sue for Gabe are just trying to survive. But if I'm Caroline and Kyle thinking, how does it look for my end game? I'm taking out a big threat in Sam or Rachel

and I'm depowering the other one and sitting next to them and being like, they're a different person than they could have been, you know, now that it has gone well for them. I am really intrigued by the way they personified Sam in this episode where he is the one that seems to be most vocally pushing the game vote it starts on the reward and we can talk about how much kyle was just kind of like smiling and nodding along but he clearly

pushes it at camp as well but what's so interesting to me is at least from my perspective we got stuff from like both andy and rachel being to me coming across as like okay this will only happen if they turn their keys uh and we got so much from like sam being on the bottom and this is finally his opportunity to claw back but at the same time i mean andy talks about it right how the power dynamic has flipped uh so much so that sam feels like the andy being like haha i'm gonna make my big move and he's like that's nice buddy i'm gonna let you do this when i'm the one that is the one to make it happen he also got to try keely for the first time i know slowly let's check off not as big it's a very long storyline of like needing to see sam trial these fruits but i um i really

credit sam the most and like i don't put him as much as a winner contender because i do think at a point you just do come for sam like it, and sounds like I'm going to turn on them eventually. I think he has less power to do that. Like, I think that they will come to him at like a six or a seven. He's again, in the kind of mirror images of each four, that's kind of like the car spot for me that he is in and the other people will have the power to take him out. But Sam was so on the bottom that he's the one being like, I need my shot in the dark. He's been left out of basically two votes in a row. Um, pretty much much was until the very very last minute last week as well um and he really does make this happen and I have to give him a lot of credit in like bringing the group

together and again it works for all of them so they're going to do it like it's easy to make up with teeny when teeny also is self-interested enough to know I should do that and again I credit all four of them but I think Sam was the instigator of a lot of it um rachel's an interesting one for me because she wants genevieve um right and i don't agree with her again i think that that they've done very very well here to kind of you know not be a 4-4 against possible if if they're going to do that um i also want to interesting that rachel's like genevieve's the only one that's on to me when caroline was the one that was like speaking to the nines about how threatening she was.

But Genevieve has been as well. Because this is the thing as well, like, you know, and they talked about this in Know It All, is that Andy, we kind of get the narrative of Andy being like to Rachel, Genevieve's on to you and her being like, well, now I need to get Genevieve. But we know that that is true and valid. And Genevieve is a big threat. So for Rachel, I don't think she's being manipulated.

I think it's a valid target. I'm not super harsh on it because, again, it's only a worse target if all of two stay together at an eight and you take out Genevieve here, which is incredibly unlikely. I still think that they did the right thing by going for Gabe, and I think it's fine

she didn't get her way. They all did what was in their best interest. It's all fine. But for Rachel, what I really credit more than any of kind of that decision is just that she's very well insulated any of kind of that decision um is just that she's very well insulated she she kind of hashes it out with Sam in a way that they reconnect she's a good connector with Andy um and with Sam so I think she's in such a great spot and yeah I

think on on edit and game and potential and the idol and the fact that she can use it like I really have her now at like the top of my my win potential yeah so i want to go back to leon's statement about teeny because like i could see it and i still think that especially from like a where does the rest of the season go perspective i could absolutely see rachel be able to carve a path especially if she does get out people like genevieve and caroline who are more quote-unquote onto her uh before it's too late i i still think there's a chance that teeny takes this though because i'm also looking at the jury and we had sierra who has said that she really wanted to work with teeny in her end game so obviously thick as thieves with teeny gabe this week i asked him who were some non-tukus you want to take to the end he says teeny i think that there is a way

where and especially if we get to a typical new era scenario where genevieve kyle sam rachel get taken out that teeny can be looked at as somebody who yeah might not have been able to accumulate a lot of power and like firsthand getting rid of people but at the same time we see this time and time again in the survivor jury vote sometimes it just comes down to who you like more and who you want to represent the season and gosh darn it teeny has overcome so much and i always wanted to work with them and teeny never had the opportunity to burn anybody because they have sort of been on the bottom of that and might be able to benefit from that as well so i think especially in a new era season i would not necessarily count teeny out i

would probably i would probably put her in second place andy is obviously a very interesting one to talk about as well because i could see this big he's all that phoenix rising from the ashes at it being either this guy makes the you know the recovery of a century and is our winner or this is why he becomes the final boss that gets taken out of final four because everyone realizes how many fingers he's had his pots in really that's i mean that's a lot i think there's a very big chance and this is my concern with andy i do think there's a very big chance that he's just my concern with Andy. I do think there's a very big chance that he's just the Jake losing finalist. Like to have him as a winner or necessarily like such a big threat for an angel.

Now, who's telling us about that? Who's telling us he's that big a threat? Those are the options. Andy. And we do get a bit from Rachel, to be fair. Rachel's in with Andy. But my concern, and I have to address it because I'm very high on what Andy's done every week. And I do think that he has played optimally.

But I do worry that he's such a non-threat from the beginning or even just in his general perception just consistently that he can't win and that's quite an easy way to play because everyone wants to work with him because everyone can sit next to him and possibly beat him and who and no one's telling us that's not true and my concern is when we get all of these montages I mean Andy has to be the most montage player possibly in Survivor history and week, that's all of his content. And he is a great narrator. But my concern is when he's doing so much, he's going to Sue and he's going to Kyle. And he's even furthering that divide, if possible.

I don't even know. But even so, you know, playing people against each other. And he's working with everyone. And other than Rachel, we only hear Andy talk about it. I need Sue to tell me, yes, I'm so in with that. I mean, she hates Kyle. But that's, I mean, that's easy. I need someone to say, yes i'm so in with with that i mean she hates kyle but that's i mean that's easy i need someone to say yes i want to work with that well yeah andy's really becoming a threat tell someone else has to tell me other than andy how changed the perception is and no

one has and i have to address that because i do think that it's possible he's going towards like this very compelling losing finalist narrative and all of the stuff about the webs and all the analogies is just Andy's ironic spin on it. If that's the case, I think Andy would make Xander look like Troy's end. Cause that's, that's, that's more Xander, right? That was like the, Oh my God, we're seeing this guy doing so much. So why does he end up with zero votes in the end? That would be the path that i would see yeah right i i also think that not for nothing his initial

impression was really big for the audience okay and if you're out there on the island i'm sure it comes across similarly like the casuals still don't like andy because of the first week of the season. So those are just the John Lovett fans chirping in your mansion. I know exactly. So that stuff sticks with you and not for nothing. We're being told a certain story, but also what's the narrative out there on the Island. So I think that that, you know, that obviously has to come into play because I do hear what you're saying, Mike, and I've definitely had the same thought, but I ultimately have to kind of go back to what I'm hearing from the people on the Island. And as Shannon mentioned, I'm not really hearing like, Ooh, Andy's the big threat. Like I'm really sort of looking for who are the people that are sort of the middle threat. So not

the Genevieve's not the Kyle's the people who are going to be taken out in the next sort of series of votes. We are looking at, in my opinion, the Sam's, the Rachel's. Those are sort of the two people that I'm thinking of potentially. And I think Sam, to go back to him from earlier, he's the one who gets credit for wanting to assemble this army of outcasts. Like he's the one who gets the confessional talking about it. And then of course, with the pushing of the votes and also I think he could do well in immunities once kyle is gone and potentially sue because he's done consistently well i mean he came in third in this one he's coming like second and third so that now and now we gave him rice look out exactly exactly uh so

yeah i i think i think there could be an argument there for for sam as well well i think what might i think sam just gets cut for me like I think he did very very well to better his position but it still is a tougher game just based on the fact that I think that he's someone who gets cut along the way but he's absolutely maximized his position but I mean on edit I still put Andy third because it's it's on win potential I put I have it as Rachel then teeny than Andy um because it's so OTT with Andy, but it's just, it's all from him. And then for Teenie, I get a lot from people saying, you know, well, Teenie's always trying to be out of the loop. No, Teenie's edit is great. I mean, it is, as you said, Liana, it's quite

personal compared to possibly like more strategic. But the thing is, that's Teenie's story to this point. Teenie has been out of the loop. Like that's what happened they can't make up what happened i mean australian survivor once did literally hide the vote from us because it was such a hatchet job on what had actually happened that they couldn't actually show us who had voted for who and i think about that sometimes but teeny has not been in the votes this is the story and but it is the phoenix rising the teenix rising from the from the ashes and that's the story um so i do think that um this is the best they can do with it and it's you're invested you care about teeny um it's a good story you always it's it's sympathetic it has purpose like a new purpose new phase um you know that that's what they got this episode as

well so the edit is there the game hasn't been there but we've seen the potential in the story um but yeah and then and then in terms of andy as, I wanted to say, it's not just what he did at the very beginning. It's consistent. And we do hear about that a lot. Sierra, the mayor of Ponderosa doesn't just think Andy had a meltdown on the first day. She's always been very critical of the way Andy is. We know that Andy, the way people see him, if anything, the consistent things we've got in even exit interviews and in confessionals from people,

even beyond the first episode has been pretty negative of the way that Andy If anything, the consistent things we got, even in exit interviews and in confessionals from people, even beyond the first episode, has been pretty negative of the way that Andy comes across kind of like doddering everywhere. They're all just prudes because he happens to do some, you know, very lascivious things during challenges. Yeah, yeah. He likes to bite balls. That's the perception that we've heard.

That's not from Andy. I'm thinking of Sierra's boot episode. Like, think about the way Sierra talked about Andy and even Sam was like, Andy last as always. Like that's what we're hearing of the perception as early as a couple of days ago. I mean, game time. So I do think from, from TV's perspective,

yes, the content has been emotional, but as they talk about in this very episode, like that is their story. It's this idea that the game has not gone the way that they expected in multiple ways, whether it's divorcing their emotions from their gameplay or obviously the fact that they've lost a couple of close allies.

And now the barrier between Teenie, the player, and Teenie, the person has shattered. And again, what I thought was an absolutely other beautiful sequence. I'm glad that Survivor gave the time, obviously for representation as well, for like teeny to speak to where they were in their journey with their gender.

But I think it shows to me that like teeny can't help but play as themselves. And so while positionally that's not optimal, it is. What do we know about Rachel as a person? You know? And I think that teeny is sort of like the opposite of that spectrum where Teenie's like not a lot of game, but a lot of personal content.

Rachel is pretty much the exact opposite. Maybe Teenie wins fire. And that's why we saw Teenie's bag get lit on fire because when Teenie was like, this is my, you know, rising from the ashes or whatever, like rebirth, maybe fire is important somehow in teeny's narrative there's some fire making thing here and jeff did clarify on on fire that they are not replacing teeny's bag that that is what they are having for the rest of the game which is bananas to me like

i love it but couldn't they give if you have to earn everything couldn't teeny get like an extra challenge or something could they give up their personal portion of rice for a new bag from art department Jeff well I mean just negotiate everything right does that that's how we've opened up everything's a negotiation which wouldn't would be interesting it would take up a lot of run time of like okay I just want to what can I what can I give for this um yeah I mean I think yeah I still have teeny really high up I will say that a lot of people like teeny is getting a kenzie edit so obvious but then i hear rachel's getting a kenzie edit i'm like if everyone's getting a kenzie get it no one's getting no one's getting kenzie last there's only one mermaid dragon well and and it was obvious like kenzie last season was

to me so obvious compared to anyone else as a close second whereas here like i'm not like so much like rachel's gonna win i'm starting to get a little bit cocky in the draft but I think that there's potential I think teeny Andy then I might say like a tie between like Caroline and Sam this is all on game and and edit combined um Sam I think will get taken at a point but isn't a good as good as a position as he can be and I do think has the edit Caroline on position I'm a little lower on and um in the edit I'm a little bit lower on but like could have possibly on position I'm a little lower on and um in the edit I'm a little bit lower on but like could have possibly the skills I'm concerned about perception I might drop it a five now and then I think yeah Carl nothing sued definitely not Genevieve maybe a

six but Genevieve on edit and I think Genevieve's out next um that's kind of how I would order it so there's still options it's not Kenzie but um those are the three and can I ask you because you know I listened to your discussion with Pritam about Genevieve's move last week. I was quite high on the move. The recovery, I wouldn't say it went well. Genevieve's still in the game, but Liana, I know that you kind of endorsed it as well

last week, didn't leave me alone in kind of defending it. How do you feel like this went for Genevieve? Did it change your views on the move last week? Well, I mean, again, the thing was, is that my assumption was that there are relationships that we are not seeing so that was my assumption was that we are making this you know oh of course all the lavos are together of course they're all so close but in reality we don't have an idea of what those relationships look like what i think i learned from this week is that

one if genevieve does have relationships with the group of misfits, they don't matter for anything. Or two, she never had those relationships to begin with. And even to her own explanation, I don't want to build relationships with people because I want to be able to cut them. So now I'm like, well, then why did you do this? Yeah. I think for, for me, we talked about this last week, right? It was more of an assumption of okay so you're doing this because you surely have a concrete plan set up for what

happens next and it seems like maybe the weight of pettiness versus strategy ended up being a bit more imbalanced than maybe we thought uh maybe she had an idea and it just kind of went up in flames like teenyie's bag once she saw that Teenie had quite the adverse reaction and the fact that now Genevieve was kind of outed partially by Andy as like the one specific architect behind the move. But it did make me feel like,

okay, wait, so what were you planning to do after this if that was the case? I mean, the thing is, is like, she didn't go. Okay, Gabe didn't go okay gabe whoa she went very close to going i know but sam also technically was really close to going when and we should criticize his position on that like that's you know that's quite another day so at least she did survive but um but yeah it's uh doesn't look great doesn't look good for our girl genevieve here

yeah I mean my assumption was that she would poke her head out but to an equal level or maybe even less than like the Gabes and the Carls but it seems like she was like as much maybe you know she had like obviously this like and she and she she was you know adding to it with like how pressing to Kauai she was saying Carl's such a big friend she's trying to add to that um and maybe you know and i think that you know this has been spoken about josh kettles has said as well that knowing that you do it knowing that they're getting to nine where you have to really take out a chuku for the others and then they do it optimally that makes sense from like a timing perspective and that probably adds to the move but the thing is that's just the one vote and then from a timing perspective they should really take out genevieve

so the threat level was more than i anticipated it being and her recovery from a timing perspective, they should really take out Genevieve. So the threat level was more than I anticipated it being. And her recovery from a relationship standpoint wasn't where I needed it to be, where I was like, she's been that special that even when things have gone at their worst, you know, she tells Rachel, Rachel tells Sam, Sam blows it up, they come back to her. You know, she invests in Rome

and blows up the whole, her whole group takes out Kishan to keep Rome. Rome becomes untenable, immediately has to lose him. She's still pulling the strings now i was like at its worst she'll still be okay but that's not what happened the recovery i said last week her whole game is a multi-part move it's about making the move being able to recover from a relationship standpoint and maybe she underestimated or overestimated those relationships underestimated how self-interested the players would be who would not just be like you know the andy's being like yeah sure um or teeny maybe even coming back i feel like she thought that was out but the relationships weren't where they needed to be

because you can't be kim spradlin in the new era and she's not kim spradlin here i unfortunately to say she has not been bradlin so at that point it was probably a little bit too it was too audacious and even on the island they were agreeing they were like it was too early i'm like we decide what was too early but yes it was too early i agree we decide what's too listen kim spradlin would never uh be able to mug to the cameras as delightfully as genevieve did so i don't want her to be kim spradlin i want her to be the messy queen that she is uh i do before we move into our typical b&b fair we gotta talk about the shot in the dark exchange this is this is pretty wild i mean think about the fact that in the post-merge of survivor 47 like we brought back the auction any of the newfangled advantages including the ambulance were like immediately expended they

had no effect on the game and now this thing that was introduced from the first episode of the new era that guarantees everyone pretty much a one six chance of immunity is now gone from the final eight onwards. Survivor 47 from a structure perspective might be like the most old school season because all the stuff they keep removing from it. Liana talk about how to Shannon's point, they ended up making this a negotiation all over again by coming out of left field with this this on the table well to me it's about the cast rejecting these things like thank you thank you that's the best part i love when jeff is so upset because in

jeff's mind he places a certain level of value on the shot in the dark. Whereas the cast looks at the shot in the dark and says, no, like, sure. Rachel literally used it as, is this anything? Yeah, exactly. Like we're willing to get rid of this. Like we don't want this, you know, like we don't see this as valuable. And for me, it's Jeff's just pure shock that, you know, both with the amulets, with the shot in the dark, with everything about like,

but why, you know, clutching his pearls, like this is not the most valuable thing that he's given them. Yeah. I do think that Jeff has gotten hosed a lot this season. The eggs I said as well, he got hosed. I think he technically he got hosed, but I will say to me, it kind of amounts to a win win for everyone, but yeah the players i mean i spoke about this a bit on twitter but everyone giving up their shot in the dark isn't bad for anyone because firstly you're giving it up but so are seven other opponents i mean for rachel eight opponents and you're she obviously

a huge win which is interesting because yeah jeff's original negotiation right is like well half of you have to sit out and so that becomes the big battle of like well some of us are being disadvantaged well otherwise have the advantage of competing for immunity that's all completely wiped clean at this point everyone except for Rachel's on equal footing yeah like I mean if it were going to be like okay four of you sit out so someone's going to win immunity and have even a better chance of winning immunity and then they'd have an asterisk right because if not everyone would be playing well the new era really screws with immunity challenges um but yeah if it was going to be that or there's just no immunity challenge and no one will win you'd still prefer the second it's better for everyone to lose something anyway that even you know it sounds

like well you're all giving up you know so it's more it's actually for everyone a more even thing and especially with the shot in the dark because the shot in the dark more than anything the reason if half of them had to give it up you'd be like well if it's me versus them they might go for me because i have less protection i'm a more vulnerable target it would kind of upset the balance of the tribe but for everyone losing it they're all on the same footing it just is the old era um and even like if you're on the if you're not on the bottom then okay great now we have to like blindside less possibly or we don't have to split as much like it's easier for even game speaks for that ironically before going but even if you're on

the bottom it's hit one time it's a one in six chance and you have to give up your vote it's just like such an easy thing to give so for the tribe it makes so much sense but even for Jeff while I do think like okay you just lost your own advantage. And like they gained so much. He said on the on fire podcast and I was reading this in entertainment weekly that like, it was a moment and he probably like won't do it again. So I think production also kind of do went out because they get something for us to talk about.

It was an interesting moment and it was like a unique thing that had happened. So from a production standpoint, that probably will create more entertainment, even just getting the confessionals of people being like, I wish I had my shot in the dark. The juice was probably worth the squeeze beyond who's gonna use it and hit it for the second time ever in the next two episodes like that probably wouldn't happen anyway so i think they got the entertainment that they needed and kind of everyone comes out of it

fine yeah i mean i think for for all jeff was espousing and what was talked about maybe a bit of tribal council by andy about like oh well this means that there will be less blind sides i don't know i think the show did pretty well for 40 seasons where you didn't necessarily have this they were more than happy this invented the blind side mike i don't know what you're talking about advantages exactly well even look at something uh corralia comes against some blind sides uh what about like even look at the rome vote for instance where like rassal does not throw a vote on vote onto Andy because of shot in the dark. It was because he thought he had an idol.

And what's interesting is talking with all these players, the reasons why they're not playing the shot in the dark most of the time in the post-merge, especially is because they feel like the numbers are super tight. Oh, it's going to be, you know, uh, Saul last week thought, okay, it might be like six to four. And so if I give away my vote, and that's something that could impact things. And so it feels like people aren't using it anyway with the exception of what rachel does outside of people who know they're doomed and yes while you do get caleb's once in a lifetime miracle hail mary going off on the other side of that is the very next season

where mariah plays it and it doesn't hit and she gets you know pretty unanimously unceremoniously voted out so well I did not have a problem with the shot in the dark I think it is one of the more salient elements of the new era I am more than fine to be without it and I doubt especially with this cast it is going to change the behavior of them whatsoever I think Gabe literally said your vote is worth more because that's the thing too with giving up the shot in the dark it's not like you're giving up an idol that just implicitly has power you cannot vote if you play your shot in the dark so you i mean you have to then give up something also very valuable to even have the advantage in the first place if you would even

call it an advantage so yeah i mean it was a no-brainer it totally made sense not to mention as well you can't play the shot in the dark if you don't have a vote and considering how much especially these new era seasons love to take votes from people then it's like well then it's just like occupying dust in my bag before it ends up being lit aflame i don't know yes yeah and also the shot in the dark is less valuable than we even thought with the revote rules changing that's that's an important thing as well because it used to be if you had a one person majority say three to two and we all it could win anyway with soul last week say five to four then you play a show in the dark you're a target but on you win on the revote four to three but now you know we're not having a vote the other person would would still vote so

be four to four so actually the show in the dark is even less valuable than we've always thought it because that's been one of the major loopholes to try and use the shot in the dark in the past so yeah there's not a lot here i will say that um i said this on twitter gabe jeff crediting gabe over and over again looks like gabe convinced you sam's like well i can't be the one person to make like the amount of social capital i would lose from doing that a shot in the dark wouldn't even remotely cover it was so fair and valid this is not shireen and will sims sam does not hate gabe with all of his guts to be like no gabe because of you i will not we will get no rice gabe's arguments weren't weren't even hitting

for sam he was like you you need your vote he's like no one's been taking my vote he was like rice in the challenge Sam doesn't respond he's like well I can't take rice from everyone else and Jeff's like look at Gabe he has mind control power Gabe literally tells Sam like well you're still here you're doing something right and it's like Sam was like not even listening

to Gabe yeah oh yeah no you could tell I still my favorite though was Sam's reaction to jeff just being like sure sure whatever yeah and then jeff doesn't be like yeah it seems like that's probably wrong at tribal again he's like let's talk about gabe and his freaking mind control powers yeah like sam you were persuaded by gabe for this to happen i will say also though speaking of uh perhaps some some misappropriated credit here. Yes, Kyle was the one to get this over the line.

But I got it for an episode that wasn't really high on Caroline. This was far and away the best thing she did in this episode. For those who don't remember the whole exchange, because we'll talk about it a bit later, was that Jeff suggested four. Gabe, despite this being an immutable number, does suggest three. And Jeff says, no dice. It's meant to be a negotiation. Sarah Klein says, dice.

How about if two of us give our shot in the dark? Which I don't know, would she convince Sue? Does that show their relationship? That she'd be like, okay, Sue, we're both sitting out of this challenge together. And then Kyle's like, this is ridiculous, but I'll just say it. We're all thinking it.

What if we all give away our shot in the dark? And Jeff's like? A what? So Caroline is the one that, much like she did in many votes before this one, really get the ball rolling. Which to me is so funny because the offer of two shots in the dark versus all the shots in the dark,

which one is more interesting? It's so much more interesting for them to have to decide who's going to have to give up their shot in the dark so jeff should have said i'll negotiate with you five shots in the dark and then they have to decide because that's so much i mean the shots in the dark could have become the new fire tokens it could have become a currency and it would have been then it becomes gabe or genevieve oh well g Gabe has a shot in the dark he might play so Genevieve's now a more open target

then it upsets the balance of the tribe it would have been funny though they're like we all want to give it to you he's like no no no some of you have to

keep it but actually from a TV moment it actually would have it would have made more sense and it would have made better TV

because then it would have been oh you actually are going because you don't have a shot in the dark because it makes you a target

not just that you can't play there's like one in six Hail Mary chants like now it's actually made you vulnerable and we have to choose who does it that's interesting everyone doing it is way even the interesting thing was obviously rachel finally getting her free rice but um but the rest of it yeah that would have been so funny if they're like all of us he's like no no some of you have to keep it so that so that some of you are disadvantaged more than others because if everyone does it it's like no one doing it it's like if everyone has

the can see it so yeah if he was like okay no three of you have to keep it you choose you have and they're like i guess i'll keep my freaking yeah it's like it's like eating your vegetables like you have to do this i mean it's so interesting because so i went to the first tribal council of survivor 46 and jelinski joked while they were there like oh we shouldn't we all play our shots in the dark wouldn't that be funny and for some reason the one ridiculous thing to not happen at survivor 46 happened in survivor 47 where essentially everyone played their shots in the dark by giving them away yeah what would happen if everybody played their shot in the dark like at tribal like if a whole tribe everyone played their shot in the dark? Like at Tribal. Like if a whole tribe, everyone played their shot in the dark.

Zero votes cast. What happens? They didn't plan for this, did they? They should have a plan for everything. What a prisoner's dilemma. I think it's probably just a multi-person fire challenge. Yeah, I think it's Jeff going for the best TV moment in the moment. Wow, this has never happened.

Wait, he restores their votes? Yeah, he's like, all's yeah he's like all right we know you're making them make fire okay wait or the people who hit the luck correctly so theoretically one in six they're the ones who gets to they get to vote then for the non-interesting they're safe and everyone else makes but what if nobody hits because i do believe that once you draw the scroll then a new scroll is replaced back in the bag right well it depends if it was like a five person tribal council yeah then there's usually six scrolls so you could not get the one safe scroll it'd be so stupid it would be so dumb but yeah i think that there's two if there's more than six and there's one if there's six and under that's wikipedia says but why are we even in this position where we have to talk

about this yeah anyway we don't need to anymore that's the thing it's done yeah and thank you to thank you to but i do think that that is very very funny between the amulet between not extending the wear advantages like they're like i want i want to be back in time okay and i get to decide which is so interesting because we're coming off of survivor 46 where i think they would have expected the exact opposite behavior of like great i got these idols i'm gonna play them now nobody did last time but now it's like oh this thing is really way it actually tracks though it tracks from the pre-season interviews like where i felt like they were all like very little on journeys and yeah rachel's hot take was that uh newer advantages actually are a disadvantage and

he said that the hidden immunodial is the most overrated thing in survivor history t-shawn never wanted to go on a journey yeah it seems like like we have very brave players in certain areas of the game but not in other areas and those who were brave in certain areas like your daves like your roams were so out front about everything that they had to use it up basically because they're like well shit i'm not being very secretive about this thing that i have yeah wow that was crazy they just all gave up the shot in the dark and jeff's like wow oh my god but yeah this was interesting from it was interesting from caroline to come up with the idea to like we have these things we don't care about they all had this shot in the dark there i Oh my god. But yeah, this was interesting from Caroline to come up with the idea. We have these things we don't care about. They all had their shot in the dark there. I mean, you should always keep

your stuff as we've seen. If you get sent to another beach, yeah, exactly. But they were all just like, we haven't actually here ready to go. We can't wait to give this to you. Now, here's the thing. We saw Andy lose his shot in the dark, like misplace it. As we know, people bring their bags to challenges

if teeny had all of their stuff with them and they got up to leave you know head back to camp we'll see you tonight at tribal and the shot in the dark falls out on the challenge site would they get a new one or is that lost they wouldn't i don't think i don't think so they're certainly not getting a new shot in the dark exactly exactly because petty inconvenience is a very big part of the new era yep yeah exactly exactly and petty inconvenience the equivalent of not being able to find your keys literally that is the new era so it's like they would have been like wow td lost their shot

in the dark of the challenge now they can't get back no you could do this this is the casting brief like jeff walks over like uh well listen you don't want to lose out on a good time playing survivor like td lost their shot in the dark and he holds it up to the camera like apply to be on survivor literally that yeah this is the monster the monster of irritation that is it those jeff promos always make me laugh my favorite one is the one where he put himself inside the the one where they had to compete where gabe won and they were inside the thing with the he's like if you want this and he's like putting himself inside the little box or the the pinky finger with the peanut butter like those may oh my gosh no in australia yeah no oh really i see them i mean that makes sense but i mean in my opinion though

nothing can beat post applebee's meltdown ah well, well, Survivor's tough. That's fair. Yeah, you guys should do a game on that. You should do a B&B game on the real or fake Jeff because there's someone he's in people won't remember and you can make some up. That's a really good game. Oh, I like that.

I agree. Let's start moving into our traditional bnb stuff and let's talk about the man of the hour and a half here in the form of gabe so gabe talked a lot of uh about highly of his uh soon-to-be position in my pre-season interview uh quinn toppled on that when the first thing we hear from him let alone in the season is that he wants to be on the new era Mount Rushmore. Okay, but also when he got voted out, did he say

I'll be back? Oh, like the Terminator? Not only that, but he doubled down on it in his final words by being like, yeah, this is the last you'll see of me. Okay, Gabe. Yeah, he really threw the shot. Well, you know, good for him. After all, he threw it away earlier. He shot a shot in the dark. Well, so Leon. That was his one shot that he still had how did you think this was going to play into what happened

with gabe on the island was this the makings of a future mountain rushmore player or someone who would burn out early okay so yeah uh look i i was willing to believe in the gabe fantasy of it all i did have g Gabe making the finale. So I said that Gabe came into this game, shot out of a cannon, and rode that momentum all the way to the final three. Exactly. With his BFF, Tiana.

When he wins fire at final four, Gabe goes into the final tribal council with all the confidence, which gets shattered when he receives zero votes due to his flashy antics and emulation of Russell Hance, which rubbed people the wrong way. Gabe managed to make several enemies included, but not limited to Saul, Rome, Asia, teeny and Sue in an attempt to carefully manage his image on the island.

He comes across as a highly calculated and not relatable person so naturally the facebook casuals are not a fan his ally was tiana and his enemies were teeny and asia but also not limited to sol rom and sue it's like the postscript on like a ad for a prescription medication i know another thing we don't get in australia you guys love your medical ads though i mean sometimes we need medicine sometimes we need medicine to get through daily existence it's just a huge part of american television that's just it's not true here it really is uh so i did not have as bright prospects for one mr ortiz i did have him going pre-jury. So not the complete opposite of Liana's predictions,

but we'll get into it. So I said, true to Gabe's interesting analysis of Russell Hance, he becomes a devout Hansist once he hits camp. Not only does he find the first idol of the season, he's not being elusive at all about his searching, but he also forms his own motley group of women with sue caroline and tiana oh man despite him doubling down on the lie that he's a

bar back the opposition will take note of how eloquent he is and assume he's hiding something when gabe scores a critical challenge win for tuku single-handedly he'll do a touchdown dance in honor of his problematic fave ray lewis no no no you didn't say that you didn't write that i want the date you didn't say that i mean it's the google docs got the backlog here you know where is the edit history yeah i need to see the date i want a screenshot this isn't't fair. What? With Tuku facing the first vote, Gabe plays the idol on Sue, figuring she's an easy vote and wanting to make a big move on TK.

Unfortunately, Gabe has no idea that Sue and Tiana have flipped over to the other guys and he's taken out instead. Despite a pre-merge finish, Gabe insists in his final words in exit press that he'll return. I said I'll be on the Mount Rushmore

of the new era and I need some more time with the chisel for these chiseled good looks. His closest ally was Sue, and his enemy was TK. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Give me the end of history. That's beyond. That's bizarre. That is scary. That's freaky. That's really freaky, Mike.

That genuinely, like, okay, the pretty much thing, like, did you go back to another tribal council after the one you predicted almost completely other than the fact that you said he played the idol on sue which i think actually gabe in the exits did defend really well because at the time i was like you just played on sue um he knows who was going he was like i want to hide my relationship with sue and they and to be fair they did that very well he said that was one of the things he was proud of in the game and i do think the fact that like tk and even tiana weeks later comes out not knowing that stew and gabe were so close was very impressive so i think he did that very well other than that you predicted

that whole tribal council against tk with the right votes yeah playing finding the idol being found finding the idol playing the idol uh what that and then saying he'll be back when he leaves i'm like did he not have chills did he in the interview tell you he's like yeah i'm planning on doing the ray lewis yeah yeah sorry this is where uh i ended up cutting about 20 minutes out where i was like all right this is what i'm gonna do from the first day until the last night i know every i know everybody's names so i'm gonna tell you and i'm also telling you exactly what they'll do I know exactly who I'm gonna tribe with what yeah exactly yeah that's freaky okay well that's an easy decision for you Shannon I'm sure but um it was that's pretty easy like because it told the future so oh maybe that Mike that's your fallback plan you can become a psychic i'd be the best psychic ever

yeah is this the best ever i think that might be the best i mean it's funny because obviously he made the so the placement was wrong but the actual text of the prediction was freakily accurate like actually terrifying so terrifying. So did you have anything about convincing Sam to give up his shot in the dark? Oh, you know what? Actually, there's a little bit of a smudge here. Yeah, Gabe convinces Sam. He didn't convince him, actually. Sam just did that.

Oh, wait, there's a little bit of an inkblot here. Oh, PPS, he didn't actually do it, but Jeff will claim that he did in tribal council. Right. Oh, another asterix yeah much like kyle's immunity yeah yeah okay well that's weird i don't that was crazy i will against caution that like this this will not be replicable okay people are like you've done like 48 i am not i i'm not gonnaradamus here. I'm going to miss much more than I hit, much like the legacy of the shot in the dark.

This is the Caleb, okay? This is the one time when it really paid off. But it's fine because you don't need more. That's so impressive in its own right. Whatever, Mike is spoiled. You heard it here first. There's no other explanation. But on only Gabe specifically, like no one else.

Just Gabe. Listen, I seek out very specific alleyways in my spoiling. I go to one contestant and I say, tell me. No one would ever believe that I just went to you. Well, well, well-deserved point, Mike, because thank you. God. Well, let me cede the spotlight over to the two of you. And look, we've done a lot of talking. We've heard

a lot of odd words around. Let's continue the trend, shall we? We're going to do some Mad Libs here around some choice Jeff Probst moments that happened in this episode. So got a couple of prompts here that

we can go through as per usual. I'll each give you sort of responses to fill in. And I'll use them to make Jeff's odd phrases even odder. Let's go to our first one here. Liana, give me a number. Ooh, okay. 3.796. Okay, down to the, what is that, thousandth place?

Yes. Come through science. Shannon, give me another number. 16.66666%, but that doesn't matter anymore. But in case it did, that's the Sean the Dark odds that Voce once made Jeff go, wow, about. Yeah, Voce's rolling in his grave right now. Like, oh, my math was for nothing

i think he's i think he's he's probably watching he's fine he's probably doing surgery busy uh liana give me a school subject oh uh can i say recess of course you can it's my son's favorite subject right now uh shannon give me a verb in the past tense you mean like okay with like ending in ed yeah yeah or d um i can't think of words why is this so hard um 45 okay danced yeah that's great yeah uh liana give me a body part oh um your okay the your toenail but specifically the middle one middle toenail but i love liana and i i now you're not gonna do it because i called it out is that you seem genuinely surprised every time i go to you well no it's not because you're going to me it's because i'm expecting like a noun or an adjective and so far i've gotten number school subject and body part so that's exciting the trend shall continue

shannon give me another body part okay um why can't i think of words i'm gonna go with face okay Okay. I'm looking at my own face. Couch. I'm literally just looking around. That's what I normally, I know. I'm like, water bottle. Liana, give me a verb. Oh, okay. A verb. To staple.

Staple. Okay. Shannon, give me an object. Couch. Okay. Microwave. Liana, give me a noun. You know those billy bass fish the one that would sing and do that that one that that thing oh what a staple did that make its way to australia shannon this was like a

hallmark of the 90s yeah um i you maybe oh i was in south africa in the 90s and yeah i guess so i think it was like a singing fish it's like the original wand off uh all right I just want to point out that earlier in this podcast Michael's looking at me like I'm crazy I reserve the right to look at you like you're crazy you do that on a daily occurrence and I am right now well I thought the line of okay there was a line of logic okay so I thought It's getting into Christmas times And then I thought about a singing Santa And then I thought about other singing things And then I thought about a singing fish

So there was a thought process Okay Alright Shannon An adjective There's no adjectives in this room Unfortunately Describe the microphone Are the adjectives in this room unfortunately um describe the right now exactly special special okay liana give me another adjective yes um

prickly prickly shannon give me an animal cat and that one's easy. Okay. Liana, give me a food. Oh, I was thinking of animals. I will go with, okay, I really want to say cookies and cream, but I don't want to do that because I think that's what it's going to be. And that's what it was. So instead I will go with burnt popcorn. Okay. Shannon, give me another food. I will go with burnt popcorn. Okay.

Shannon, give me another food. There's no food in this room. Oh, tea. Does that work? There's tea. My old tea. Shannon, I mean, Liana, give me a liquid.

Oh, a liquid. Slime? Like the Nickelodeon slime. There we go. There we go. All right. And then, Shannon, give me a food. There's no second food in this room.

Pizza. Okay. And Liana, give me one more food to finish it off. Oh, okay. One more food. I will go with marshmallow fluff. Okay. And actually, Shannon, sorry, I lied. There's one more. A verb ending in I-N-G.

Singing. I was going to go dancing. I did not. I thought they said, oh, dancing too much. All right. It's just footloose, no dancing. So here is Jeff Probst's narration as he welcomed the Survivor 47 contestants in

to the reward challenge. I'm kind of shocked you went with this. I mean, it makes sense based on what all the categories were, but like, I thought we were going like heavy balls. I go heavy balls every day. Jeff didn't say grab your balls, which I, we shed balls a lot, so I just thought. You did. Alright. Here we go. Final

3.796, which makes me very nervous about what happened to the rest of that first person i was gonna say who's about to lose a limb 16.6666 seasons let me do some quick recess carry the one that's a lot that's a lot of seasons of survivor i i mean wait hold on 6.66 are we 16.66 are we two thirds of the way through the season more oh probably more um no i'd say we have about we have about a month left or now we found out we have about okay five episodes left okay all right i like that okay sorry that's not really what he was saying though all right well let's get to today's reward challenge for today's challenge you're going

to be randomly danced into three teams of three each player will have their middle toenail tied together their arms tied to their face you're going to staple through the sand as you move a couch with your head that sounds hard that sounds like they've done before was like the, you know, with the heavy weights like the snake challenge. Especially when you have your arms tied to your head. Yeah,

that actually would work. That sounds like a good challenge. Once you're, once you're at the finish, each player is responsible for rolling one couch onto their singing fish. The first three to finish

win reward. Want to know what you're playing for? Yeah. The winning three will be taken to the sanctuary where special things happen. Aw. For an afternoon of prickly food.

You'll have wraps, veggie, and cat. Oh, no! Why did you say animal? Why did you say animal? Why would you do that to me? No! That's really not going to work well with the charity I'm going to give at the end of the podcast.

Chicken's an animal. You heard here for his shannon's pro eating i wasn't gonna say chicken i'm a vegetarian why didn't you just say food why would you make me say an animal that's so so unfair this is like when they made carl eat meat that's what you just did to me you're sitting there like oh i could eat these cat wraps i'm really tempted to yeah i was so excited to say cat too i was like cat and then you made me eat them you'll have wraps veggie and cat you'll have burnt popcorn oh you'll have tea you'll have juices you'll have ice slime and for dessert cake it sounded so weird but that was actually what he said right yeah

you want to know what kind of cake oh cat pizza and marshmallow fluff could be worth worth singing for it is worth singing for I want to give my charity now

it's like just to cover for the pr of it all yeah i was really bad i don't i don't need the out of context account saying that i approve eating cats okay i think that's already been a pretty big political stuff for you guys so i'm trying not to yeah the eating cats do you think that person who unfortunately has lost 0.204 of themselves, is there, they're going to have an easier or harder time pushing that couch? Did they lose an arm or a leg? Do you think,

I don't know. Is it, I guess it's based on this, like 20% of yourself. Would an arm. You assume it's arm or leg. I mean, that's,

that's like a best case scenario. Well, I'm sort of assuming that they're, they're allowed to continue to compete. So I feel like any sort of vital organs would it's really it's like missy and san juan del sor like it's not advisable but like you could do it theoretically yeah they wouldn't like be hidden right exactly yes it'd be going the way of like you know a third of the six queens back to six by the way yeah i think it's gonna be so that would be yeah all right well that was certainly a reward worth singing for

what was the number uh in terms of what the it was yeah three point yeah seven nine six yeah so yeah this is the final immunity challenge it's just that one person's a little worse for wear or maybe all of them like lost their toes or something you know that's a really good point you know what it could have been once upon a time i can't remember who but they said that they like cut off their finger if you remember that to like not be at tribal council maybe they've actually took them up on that offer. Well, I know Kathy said she,

Kathy Sleckman said, and then who said they were going to cut off their finger. Someone in the new era said they would cut off their finger if it meant they wouldn't be at tribal council. Right. It was, it was like early new era. Damn, all of the stuff that exists in my brain just not being helpful.

And I don't even remember who it was. Well, now while I'm Googling cut off finger no don't do that don't do that cut off finger it was it was an analogy it was yeah but hopefully yeah they all just lost like a small toe yeah i think that's probably because it doesn't i mean three point whatever i said seven something right that doesn't necessarily imply three people intact people and then one person it's it just in summation there are that many players left so this is a good this has been enjoyable to think about yeah if they all lost like all van goghed it yeah they all van goghed it and maybe instead of having to get their shot in the dark they just all have to give up an ear yeah that's a gem we'll take a finger first off that's amazing second i did look up what it was it was swathy yeah okay of survivor 42 yeah she said quote if

i could cut off a finger tonight and not go to tribal council i would and then she says after day seven or eight she would stop cutting off digits what and what else did you get on google what did you google to get that i just googled my notes oh it was your notes i thought you googled it because i was like okay that could be horrifying okay your notes are so well organized that's amazing that you could find that so quickly i can't even find my cloud baby that's incredible wow you are so organized i don't have that that's right next to uh the cookies and cream compliment is the highest thing you could ever pay me. Wait, all of your notes ever are all in the cloud. Since I started covering the show in season 35, yes.

I pay money for that dossier of notes. $1. I'll offer two for free. $1. Okay, thank you. That's not how negotiations work. What are you, Jeff? You give me something you don't want.

What if we all offer our survivor notes and then it's all even i'm none of us have mine minus not saved is like 46 to survivor 48 or whatever like my minus it's so bad it's so bad and i never improved on it all right well let's continue on with the mad libs here and this is going to be a much longer one. So get those braids. That sounds like a threat. Shayne, bring many more props into the room. Go look for more stuff around your house, quick.

All right, well, Shayne, let's start with something easy here. Give me a number. Four. Just four. Actually, no, six. It's always six. Six is a thing. It's six is a thing Liana give me an object an object um okay

uh licorice okay yes because it is not edible uh Shannon give me another number 66 okay uh Liana give me an adjective uh crunchy 66 okay uh Liana give me an adjective uh crunchy

crunchy okay Shannon give me a verb speak what am I doing is that what you're telling me to do Liana a tv a tv show the golden girls oh nice shit i'd be like survivor i'm not creative right now all right well shannon this might allow you to be creative give me a

preposition and a preposition is what now a preposition is a part of speech that implies some sort of direction. Onto, up, down, across. Across. This is the last thing Mike said. My brain is broken. It's so exciting. Okay. All right, Liana, a noun.

Can you give me an example? Sure. A person, place, or thing. Okay. Thing. Thing. Great. Thank you. All right, Shannon, give me an accessory.

Ring. Okay. Liana, give me a number. The square root of 69. Okay. Need something something there we go shannon give me something you need on survivor you're on the dock something else oh cat toys okay be careful

well yeah if you want to track them to put in those wraps yeah i think you'll need to entice them in some way uh all right leona give me a number put them in the wrap what the frick can i give you a time what does that count as a number like if i said 11 59 p.m does that count yeah you know what why not sure that's okay shannon give me a verb ending in ing podcasting oh i love that liana give me another verb does it have to end in ing nope does it have to end in ing nope slime slime slime slime okay let's me watch give me watch ghostbuster he slimed me that's a verb okay stuck in my brain uh shannon give me a noun microphone is that a noun yes it is you're right uh liana give me a name callahan oh callahan g willikers callahan the joke for only you and i well uh shannon give me a verb ending in ing i'm pretty much sitting

like i'm already said the things i'm doing all right liana an adjective like i've already said the things I'm doing alright Liana an adjective like I've already said podcasting yeah an adjective thocky thocky? thocky? like a keyboard?

a thocky keyboard? thocky? thocky? like thocktua? no! fucky thought fucky like thought tour fuck it no okay I change

I change what am I supposed to do an adjective an adjective an adjective okay then I will go with um expensive

expensive Shannon give me a location this room that I'm in. My apartment. Specifically Shannon's apartment. Okay. Liana,

give me a verb ending in I-N-G. Boiling. Boiling. Shannon, give me a verb in the past tense ending in E-D or D. Usually when you end in E-D, you don't get much D.

Guessed. Guessed. Guessed. Oh, guessed. All right. I'm guessing. Yes, exactly. uh liana give me a noun a noun the ocean okay just like uh rachel's ideal place shannon give me another noun liana okay liana another noun besides yourself can i say shannon sure we're in it together we don't eat me okay oh shannon give me a virtue

uh kind okay is that what you meant? Is that a virtue? Yep. Or like you mean in like, isn't there like a religious sense of virtue? Like there's a list of like the virtues or something. It's like a thing. I think it's secular with it as well. Yeah, but is that a thing? The virtues.

Religion? Okay. Uh, who is it? Liana, now give me another number. Oh, another number. another number okay infinity love it shannon give me a noun mike bloom we're all in it yeah we're all in it what's the movie that this is from where the whole movie is like it was on the board in front it's like the usual suspects or what do you mean like a real kaiser so say yes that's usual suspect okay that's what i meant you know when like the whole movie's on the board behind him and it's like all the words that's how yes uh shannon give me a a verb in the past tense i've pretty much done all the things that

i'm panicking panicked panicked panicked that Panicked, panicked. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Liana, give me a verb. It's going to get to breathing next. Drowned? To drown? That works. That works.

Shannon, an adjective? Nice. Nice. Well, on that note, Liana, there is a certain number you haven't listed yet. And the next thing I need you to give is a number. Oh, 69. There we go.

You said square root of 69. Oh, technically that's eight something. I was going to say that technically is not 69. Hooray! All right, Shannon, give me another verb in the past tense. Struggled. All right. in and give me another verb in the past tense struggled all right uh leona give me a another subject in school oh okay i will go with what are things that you study in school hold on home recess I already said home room. We're going to home room this time. All right.

All right. Okay. Did we do it? Yep. We did it. Apologies. That was a bit of a long one, but it should be because I scripted out the entirety of the rights negotiation. Oh, my gosh.

And we're going to be reading your version right now. Okay. Still not balls. So Jeff describes everything. Balls, balls, balls. Andy, don't put them in your mouth. And then he says. Cut to Andy.

He's got a mouth full of balls. There's no rule against it. Like you can't touch it with your head, but he's like. I know he did ogle it. It's like that guy that can fit a bunch of billiard balls in his mouth. Like that's a way to hack the challenge, Peridium. Is that a thing? I don't think that is a way to hack the challenge, Peridium. Is that a thing? I don't think that that is a way to hack.

Oh yeah. Oh, right. So, right. So if Andy could have fit all three balls in his mouth. Which he could have won. Among us. Yeah. You just put them in your mouth.

You unhinge your jaw. Exactly. He said he's a snake. Like he's a. Still there. Spiders, I'm assuming, can unhinge their jaws as well. All right. All right. Well, let's move on to this then. So Jeff, before getting to the challenge, says. like he's a he's still there spiders i'm assuming can unhinge their jaws as well all right so all

right well let's move on to this then so jeff before getting to the challenge says there's one more element to today's challenge it's been six days without any rights that can all change he brings out a big red or black structure on the stump that's a licorice of rice enough to get you to the end this is the rice negotiation i need 66 people to sit out in exchange for rice oh wow this is always a reflection of where the game is because on the surface the crunchy deal is 66 people agree to sit out you agree tonight we won't speak you out we'll all have rights that's not how the golden girls works it's never that easy never allow that to happen and it would be great if 66 people felt safe enough that they could sit across.

But I don't think that... Imagine 66 people playing Survivor, though. Like, what chaos? That has had bad international versions when that happened. That's true. It's like over 100 people. It's not super far from Australian Survivor. But I don't think that's where the game is right now. No.

I think everybody's still on very thin ice and very much wanting that ring a little bit more than the rice, which an immunity ring would be pretty dang killer. That's really cool. Yeah, that's so cool, actually. Is that true? Anybody instantly say,

I consider sitting across for rice. Gabe replies, put it to the square root of 69. Jeff says, no, the set price is 66 caroline floats out what if two of us gave up our cat toys that's a lot of cat toys that i have jet says no kyle replies what if you got all the cat toys wow this sounds awesome what a deal he's like yes every cat toy down the line wow everybody here willing to give up your cat toy on only day 11 59 p.m so i think that's the first day like it's not yeah exactly i'll give it i'll give the cat toy

wow all of them wow all of them wow it's not even midnight yet on the first day you're already willing to do this yeah wow uh so then everyone starts chiming in i would do it i would do it rachel says i don't have one i assume she gave away her cat toy or she lost it at some point jeff says i just want to make sure you're podcasting clearly because this is a massive sacrifice from where i slime over here the cat toy is your last microphone your hail. You're one last chance. That's what I always say, you know, throw that one last call. You're hail Callahan. Sam says, you know, he's really going through and he goes, I'll do it if everyone I'm sitting.

Listen, I'm sitting. And Jeff says, Sam, walk me through the reason you're expensive which makes me feel like he's some sort of like high price escort yeah exactly your price is so high Sam says yeah I mean I'm in Shannon's apartment I've been in Shannon's apartment and it's easy for the people on the top to say

I don't need my cat toys but when you feel like that might be your only choice at boiling in this game, that rice, I could go eat rice after I get guessed out. Gabe replies, your ocean is more powerful than that cat toy. Your vote is how you got out of Shannon's apartment, by giving people your Liana. Sam says, I've been offering your Liana. Sam says,

I've been offering my Liana. Nobody wanted to take it. No! No, I want Liana. No! Gabe says, and you're still here. You're still here because you have a Shannon.

Aww! And if you want toannon oh so sam is also an escort but also maybe a bit of a pimp as well he's also living in shannon's apartment but escaped which is like did you hold him hostage and also i'm useless which might make sense yeah yeah yeah and if you want to lean on your challenge kindness that rice is going to help it if you want to lean on your challenge kindness, that Rice is going to help it. If you feel like you're in Shannon's apartment, that Rice is more valuable to win an immunity ring

than get a one in infinity shot chance at immunity, which does feel like actually like not even low-balling. It feels like it's one in infinity at some point. Sam looks down, takes a pause. I'm not going to keep rice from Mike Bloom. Aww. You guys get good stuff. How could you?

No one would want to do that. So then Jeff follows up on that. So Gabe panicked you. And Sam goes, sure. Sure. So Gabe panicked you. And Sam goes, sure. Sure.

Jeff says, everybody who has a cat toy is prepared to drown it right now. I'll make that deal. Very nice to see if this comes back to have a little 69 guess at some point. You're all willing to give it up. I'll take them. As Jeff is collecting them kyle says can't believe i struggled something jeff says you were in on survivor homeroom here survivor homeroom

for sure thank you all the cat toys in exchange for one licorice of rice waiting for you back at camp well done and i will say well done to the two of you as well. Yay! He's welcome, but as a guest where I'm aware of it, not against my knowledge. Right. Like he's hiding in your walls or like has moved into your attic

and is creepily living. It's an apartment, I don't have an attic. That you know of. That you know of. Sam's up there. Sam? And he's he's i mean listen he can easily sort he can source all those cat toys like he's in surplus right now yeah yeah that's slowly collecting them one at a time so you can trade them to jeff we have we've been missing lizzie's bird for weeks and we assume it's under the couch sam's favorite toy give it to sam under the couch and jeff prob's office because that's where i'm assuming he did with all the shots in the dark well the couch they had to push up

yeah oh what about the couch in the dark oh okay so you want to play your couch in the dark but you get up off the couch but you're sitting so the couch in the dark is an advantage where you go into a dark room and you have five minutes to search for an advantage but it's pitch black and sometimes there might be and so sometimes there's a disadvantage in there sometimes there might be an idol okay it's like a more low budget ghost island right because it's a couch in the dark it's just a couch in the dark ghost island wasn't super high budget i don't think exactly so that's saying i think if it's an immunity ring jeff would have to propose they should do that well he does officiate so yeah

they should consider other like other pieces of jewelry imagine crown crown yeah crown brilliant that's pretty cool an anklet brooch a brooch yes and they have to wear it which would be funny because imagine like yeah like for all the guys who don't wear a shirt like them pinning it to their chest i guess they like 0.2 percent of them the the immunity idols look a bit like bracelets now so they are expanding into a bit of a line a very ugly line of jewelry like do not buy that for your part so should it well let's expand it further let's go from accessory to garment should it be an immunity shirt that would make so imagine if it was like a reward like you get like you know we've seen jackets be such hot commodities if it was like a letterman jacket that you win and then you know you're gonna be warm that would actually be like a bit of a

reward yeah that's cool i like that but then you have to give it back it would be kind of gross so like do you wash them like do you think they wash them in between probably you wash them i mean i guess the necklace you don't wear as much so it's not like it doesn't matter if you wash it so you think they care about that they're all wearing each other's clothes they're not gonna be you wash it they're on survivor oh yeah i mean they won't mind i just imagine like all right tonight i'm gonna give individual immunity to liana like strip off oh my gosh or you could do what about immunity idol socks oh i like that i mean you talk about hiding in plain sight i think that immunity idol like garb would be very fun. Like, especially if there was, it was, I don't know,

boxers that read like idol beware on the butt or something. That's good. Well, I was thinking like the sisterhood of the traveling pants. So it's the same thing. It's a pair of jeans, but it fits everybody. Oh my God. Having to put on jeans on the Island when like you're wet and sandy, I would rather not even have the idol. Well, what is interesting is like people oftentimes keep an idol right in their bra in their their crotch like what if the beware of the beware advantage was that it was a piece of wardrobe

you had to wear that was like insert idol here like that but people think it's like so cheeky like ahaha you got that specially made for the season, not realizing that's where the idol is. It's actually an idol. Yeah, I think that in recent years, they're probably trying to stray away from things like that, that are really drawing attention to all of that. I think it's going to be really hard for me to get back on track for the cheesy. I don't even remember what happened in the episode.

Like, where are we? Don't you remember they all gave away their cat toys to get a thing full of licorice yeah and then they all pushed a couch with their heads yep that of which one of them may or may not have lost a significant part of their body doing so and no one wanted liana that's what i've yeah yeah i'm trying to give away liana no one wants liana i can't try paying people they won't do it story of my life yeah uh yeah i don't know how relevant that is

anyway so yeah uh strategy chizzy shannon you want to introduce it take it away jacob take it away now because we're on video we have the chats as well here they are yeah yes okay the jizzy Here they are. Yeah. Yes. Okay.

The Chizzy. We're doing 2-1-1 points, but it's important which one is won, right? Because it would be 3-2-1, so even though it's 2-1-1, the order of the ones matters to the chart. So who wants to go first? Okay. Well, I will give my two to sam this week i think for me i have to acknowledge the fact that he was the one who was originally pushing gabe and also he's the one who got credit at least narratively for creating this sort of misfits alliance i think he was also able

to protect himself as someone else who's coming across as sort of another really big player. So I will give my two to Sam. Yep. Do I get my other ones now? Yeah, we don't go around. Oh, not enough for me to do math on this fly. Think about it. Which one is the one to one? Yeah, I know because this really, really matters.

It really does a lot. It should probably be what breaks the tie, but it doesn't even do that. Right. Yeah. Okay, i will give one to andy um mainly just because we got the my first one to andy i think mainly because we got the montage of him creating all of these relationships and also it seems like the vote went in a direction that he was happy with so for that reason i will give one to Andy. The better one.

The better one. Yes. And then I will give the worst one to Teenie. The Liana of ones. The Liana of ones. Yes. And wait, okay. I think it would go Shannon, Mike, Liana then for the two, one, one.

No. No, I don't feel bad. one one oh right in the story and i'm like on a big gap everybody else but but the story uh so yeah so yeah right because gabe told sam you're still here because you have a shannon then he said i'm not gonna keep rice from mike bloom and then of course uh you know you're the vote you're the gave away your liana i've been offering my liana nobody wanted to take it yeah exactly so for the liana of points i will go to team liana and that is teeny whomst i drafted so that will be my second of the singular points because i do feel that this could potentially be an inflection point in teeny's game where this is now the sort of rising from the ashes how is teeny going to get out of the

situation where they're constantly left out of votes and we got a ton about their story so that's my two one one yes mike what's what's okay um looks pretty similar i'll give two to andy just because uh i still personally think that the way it was personified to us is that i don't know if sam gets this vote done without andy sort of being someone to be the turnkey here and the fact that he not only is so well seated with so many people like if you think about the the five that were the non-tukus andy is working with Sam. He's working with Rachel. He's working with Genevieve.

Teenie, I'm not sure, but like there seems to be times when the two of them would commiserate together. So it seems like if he does want to roll with this group moving forward, he has done really well to, I think, be able to move in any direction that he wants to. be able to move in any direction that he wants to, maybe unlike someone like Sam, who is now presented as probably one of the larger targets from whatever realm should it happen again. And yeah, I think this was probably the most visible week of Andy's game, despite the fact that he ends up kind of helping single-handedly get rid of Sierra

a couple of weeks ago. That felt more of like a personal arc. This felt more of a strategic arc to me of like, this is Andy's deliberate movements. We'll see'll see you know he might get hit covered his hand in the cookie jar cookies and cream jar when if rachel and genevieve compare notes of like oh my god andy's trying to pit us against each other but for right now i think he's gotten himself in a really good position and i do believe that this gay vote won't happen without him. I will give the better one to Sam then. For all the reasons that Liana said, the fact is this is really the first vote of the merge

that he has been able to dictate. It's a good time to pick up momentum, and he was able to get this done and maybe also low-key get rid of a bit of a challenge threat for himself as well if he does have a path to possibly winning his way to the end and then the other one i will i think i'll give it to teeny as well i was thinking of maybe giving it to rachel but i think the way that we were basically shown that rachel got her less ideal outcome in this episode it's tough for me to give it the one two teeny I think their ability to at least try to save face with Genevieve

in the moment I know Genevieve has expressed like yeah but this means we won't work together anymore but the fact that they were able to work together here hopefully means that as teeny is promising in their in their you know vote for Saul that they are going to avenge him it's setting up maybe an opportunity for Teenie to make their big almost Marianne cuts Omer move at the final seven final six and then cement themselves as a front runner so all that is to say that's going to be my two one one yeah okay so we're all again looking at that kind of you know outcast for um I'm giving the three slash now two to Sam because I feel like he is the instigator here um and what from what we saw made it happen I mean I think they're all doing it but he really seemed to drive it and I think he also did some other good stuff like as an example you know Carl brings up gay but I think he does really well to push it and like contrary

to like Andy pushing Genevieve to Rachel where I think like okay I get it from Rachel and it makes sense um I don't think it makes sense for Carl so Carl I feel like it's like an unforced error but also Sam's actually manipulating that where it's to Sam's benefit but not to Carl so yeah top points to Sam the better one I'm giving to Teenie um good connection with Sam I mean I think we forget that Teenie and Sam have not been on the same page at all and have reconnected here in a way that was really good and I think that the patience is good because I think we forget that teeny and Sam have not been on the same page at all and have reconnected here in a way that was really good. And I think that the patience is good because I think like, Oh, well I want revenge on souls. I have to immediately do Genevieve. Like you'll do Genevieve next time.

Like the better plan for teeny's game was very much to do with, you know, all of them to do a two Q now, and then hopefully for them come for Genevieve next. So I think it was good patience, good, you know, being part of the plan, good timing. and I'm going to give a point to Rachel while I disagree on Jen as a target it's not like a huge disagreement I see parts of it I don't even think it's that risky because two could want to come for each other um even though she doesn't get away I think it works for everyone but the main thing for me

is that her winner path is so clear she's in such a good spot she's such a good connector she reconnects well with Sam like all that stuff is so material i see the path for her i see the potential i think she could sit at the end and have cool things to talk about they'll love how she gauged on the show in the dark the same way twitter did you know and if she can use her idol well i really see it so i'm giving her the point there i have to give an honorable mention to andy i left him out of those four um wow who are you sam and sierra leaving andy out well i give andy a lot of points and i think he like there's a lot of good material stuff there like caroline goes to him right as that's what we see for for the gay plan um obviously we see with the previously on how much it was him you know

including teeny and teeny doesn't blow that up and teeny you know we talk about the andy teeny connection like that must be there like he gives Tini the information on burying Genevieve um and all that stuff is good but I just have to um I have to at some point question what anyone else is thinking and if no one else is agreeing with the perception of him it's just an easier game to play because he can't win and I do think that's a distinct possibility so while he's doing all this stuff the second someone else answers something like Andy is you know really changed his perception or like any point where I'm hearing it from other people um I would give it to him but yeah I just I don't think that that's there right now I also

had a question oh you guys yeah I was just thinking it's because I'm thinking about like Andy you know um pitting people against each other is Kyle really going around calling Sue and Caroline Tweedledee and Tweedledum because if so that's very very bad from Kyle saying it to people who are going to then run it back to Sue saying it at all um from a personal level from a game level that's not great if it's not true I guess Andy you know even more driving the wedge between them because Sue didn't like that it's not hard to drive the wedge but like yeah if carl's doing that i mean i can't put it all on sue right like wow sue really hates carl if he's doing that and calling them tweedle d and tweedle dumb it feels like you know it takes two to tango at a point and maybe i should criticize both of you and i should criticize carl

for the fact that so many people want to come for him like it seems crazy from sue and it it probably is to a degree but like you have to criticize criticize Kyle at a point for the fact that these maybe relationships are bad. And this might be an indication of the fact that more of it is on him than him just being kind of like a victim in like a one-sided negative relationship circumstance there. Yeah. It's a fair point.

I mean, on the one hand I would say like, well, you know, if he was saying these things, he'd probably be complaining in confessional. So why aren't we getting any of that? On the hand it might be how do they want to edit kyle they want to have him be this sort of like shining beacon of positivity i give it a buck 20 for my

family every time and so it could be possible i mean hell someone like rome said oh yeah my relationship with saul was not as one-sided as it was presented like i think there are two sides every dynamic and i do find it interesting that we have not really heard from kyle in confessional about his thoughts on sue surely he knows at this point that she has been coming after him in so many ways over the past 16 days so yeah i mean i don't want to necessarily jump to that conclusion but it is interesting how we really haven't gotten anything from the other side. The two possibilities being either this is a shambo Laura Moret situation and he has no idea how much Stu really dislikes him or the other side, which is he's saying stuff about her and they just aren't showing it. I think what happened is there's a universe where Kyle and Andy were having a one a one-off conversation and kyle goes i don't want to do a kyle impression but like you can i can hear it in his voice do it

of of like oh well you know they're like tweedle dum and tweedle the kind of thing on like a very off-handed comment and yeah and yeah so because he's saying i'm pitting people against each other probably using information that's not a hundred percent made up because that goes back to you like Rome. So there's probably some truth to it, but it's not. I don't think Kyle is going around being like, what is this, Alice in Wonderland? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like if you're Kyle, how do you recover from that? Like, no, those are actually my favorite characters in children's literature.

People don't want to be called that. Like, would you guys like being called the Tweedle dee and tweedle dumbo survivor commentary well maybe that's the wrong example i wouldn't like it okay so even if you're like yeah you're using it as a way to say they're connected it's not good i mean i think that what we know from carl is we saw him say that like like he said he said caroline wasn't good at challenges right to rome he said that they were very close he wasn't very didn't seem very high on their games and rome said he'd said something really bad and we never found out what that was and now maybe it was tweedledum maybe that was it

genuinely that's what i'm thinking because i'm like i mean andy is can andy just go around throwing out lies or is his game so protected because people don't care if they sit next to him that he's that well insulated that this stuff doesn't matter is he making it up or did he like i think this is important because i do think like as much as i say that you know it takes you to tango no relationships can be very very one-sided carl and the edit we have from carl he very much doesn't deserve it and certainly like montages but like if he's saying equally as bad stuff back but is not getting the montage possibly you know there's more of a dynamic that we have to look at and maybe if sues are losing finalists the edit is showing more like her being unreasonable and she is being

unreasonable about the vote stuff that is stupid that's objectively dumb tweedle dumb but um but i do think like you know how negative is it from kyle How much is there like, that's not the edit that we get of Kyle, but I do think it's important. What if, here's how you spin this, if I'm Kyle. I'm like, well, you know who won two seasons ago, D. So I'm saying you're the Tweedle version of D and you and Stu were so close. So you're just, you're linked together. That's what they used to say about Julie and D.

She's Tweedle D and she's Tweedledoo Julie. And they're like, who's Tweedledoo Julie? What's going on? There's no positive way to spin Tweedledee and Tweedledum. That's like, it's like the anti-cookies and cream cake of insults to compliment. It's not good. It's bad. But also then it's like,

how much has she just been like openly bitching about Kyle for weeks to the point where he now has snapped? Like, we don't know it from his dynamic, I think, because we get like quite a one dimensional view of Kyle. I'm not even saying that's not who he is. I'm just saying that. I mean, I just I don't have more of it for me. I just I have to question how much of that is true, because, yeah, for Kyle, it's all been criticizing. Why don't you want to stay together? And I do criticize that. Like, why? You know, but for Kyle, it's like, well, why don't why doesn't anyone want to work with you you know like where are your allies and at a point you have to ask that but i i don't know if andy made it up i'm gonna feel bad because then

it is poor sweet carl just being like i'm a family man and she's just being like you know and then sue tweeted being like i just want to clarify i don't want to tweet or tweet or dumb tweet tweedledeed or tweedledum tweedledeed tweedledum is twitter and tweedledee is blue sky can I find sue's actual tweedledee or tweedledum should I say I don't know if she put it if she's on blue sky what is sue's at why can't I find it I believe it's at the sue's may or something

like that okay I can't find it but my point is it was something like I don't want to kill Kyle. I'm like, that makes it sound like you do. The fact that you have to clarify. It was,

yes, it was a link to Sue. Uh, it was, so Sue says, just so everyone's aware, dot, dot,

I never have, and never plan on killing anyone. Dot, dot, dot. Welcome to the game of hashtag survivor. All caps. It's all love.

Parentheses. Unless you write my name down. Wink face emoji blue heart emoji oh carl's carl's like dead now like carl like i has anyone have carl's whereabouts yeah no nobody brought nobody brought up the idea of killing someone no one's like oh my god i'm gonna kill you carl yeah like if she had said like uh you know it gets tense in the game but it's all love you'd be like that's fine that's a fine way to respond to the montage of you hating covered her being like

it sounds like a legal letter like i have never i just yeah i want to say i'm like now it sounds like you you do that you've done that okay tweet oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you tweet old doth protested too much right like it's you know's, no one said, no one, Sue, like, no one said you were actually gonna kill Kyle. Why do you feel the need to emphatically say that you would never kill Kyle? I mean, this is not you being Shane Powers right now. It's an expression!

I didn't actually know that you were gonna kill someone. My God, well, yeah, it was just so suspect and i'm just concerned but anyway that's my thoughts on the tweedle d and tweedle dumb of it all um this was kind of like was that not this collaboration yeah global's the tweedle d and the bb's the tweedle dumb i mean again the tweedle d and tweedle dumb of survivor commentary that's actually amazing i think we need to steal that i think commentary that's actually amazing i think we need to steal that i think we're gonna steal that i think we're gonna i think we're gonna use it now i think i might introduce that us as that moving forward wait i need the charts though i haven't

given the oh okay i didn't know you're doing math well no no i did the math so so well genevieve's at the top and will genevieve gets a pass if she goes next week i don't know i thought i thought she had it i thought we have we have one extra episode of tizzy points it's quite a lot you know this two-part finale we'll see how much more she can survive but yeah i was really interested in her take on emotionality as you mentioned because she's like i don't want to play this game with connections it's like no like your connections and your emotional relationships in the game are your superpower like that's been the thing of why everyone's so drawn to her so yeah if i was teeny i feel pretty used when she's like i don't want to have any connections and like you're basically if it kind of felt like it was like after a one night

stand it's like oh like like a you know a fling where you're like this is why i don't want to get emotionally attached and teeny is like but that's like a whole thing you know like this is the whole game of survivors emotional attachments she's like this is why I didn't, I just wanted something casual, Teenie. So that's how it felt. Yeah, Genevieve. So we'll see. 21, Solnext has left on 18. Now Sam is up to 16.

Andy is up to 14. Teenie's gone up to 12. We have Sue not killing anyone on nine. We have Rachel now on seven. Caroline's on seven. Gabe left on four. Kyle three. And then Tiana and Asia on one. And those are the charts. on nine we have rachel now on seven caroline's on seven gabe left on four carl three and then tiana and asia on one and those are the charts so we'll see we'll see i think it's wide open

actually yeah so i'm just counting right now so we have the final eight are all eight of them on the chizzy charts it looks like they are yes yes yeah the only one who wasn't from like the merge was sierra and i felt bad about it and that's been like an ongoing thing yeah yeah and that goes to show as well again the sort of like ever-shifting power that jeff likes to talk about the fact that like everyone has kind of had their moment maybe not even in the driver's seat but like clearly making moves and guiding the game in their direction rather than sort of at the behest of their allies and that's that's what helps when of course all three tribes go to tribal council in the pre-merge so that's exciting yes sam is only five points behind genevieve you know uh to the point we made earlier the pendulum

might easily swing back in his direction but like he could overtake her andy might if he makes a late search or genevieve could immediately get power back now that she has her feet out from under her and could make another big thing to, like, run away with another week like she did during Keyshawn and during the Solvode as well. Yeah, I mean, Tini, like, how many weeks are left? So we have 11, 12, and now we have the two-part finale, which is 13, 14, so...

So, like, anyone could win. Like, if Rachel gets, you know gets you know cleans up now she's on seven she could well surpass genevieve right there's what 24 points left so no actually yeah she could well surpass genevieve so there's more points up for grabs if you were to get six points the next four weeks than genevieve even has so literally Kyle could win so true that's where we're at he probably won't but he could anyway this was fun this was great time yeah six a week that's right yeah what quickly any thoughts about the recent announcement of there being like a some people are putting this in massive quotations some small the two-part finale that essentially they are

going to be doing two two-hour installments instead of like an hour and a half for the final six and then the three-hour block from the final five to the final three. But yeah, that's not a two-part finale. That's stupid. I mean, it's just a verbiage.

They did this on Australian Survivor when they, it was like the finale week instead of being three episodes was two and then one and they were like, it's all finale week. And and i'm like kind of like finale eight days yeah but it's not it's just it's the penultimate week and it's because we didn't have a double boot yeah and we didn't have anyone get medivac to anyone quit yeah so which i'm personally fine with like yes it's worth a bit of awkward shuffling around of time slots and survivor having to claim. This is a brand new thing. If it's that we don't have this,

like, yes, we did display tribal council vote, but like not having to throw so many things in at the early merge to basically like askew as many people as possible. I unscrew over the people like the seafoods and the Tim's that are like, oh, because your group lost the immunity challenge.

Now you're on a journey anymore. Bye. Mm hmm. Yeah. I have no opinion it's like whatever fine call it whatever yeah i mean i think it'll be weird so if yeah i mean i would have liked like in 45 if we got the final five over five vote as its own thing um but it will be weird if we're getting in which we're not we're getting six or five but and six can often be quite a big vote but it'll be very strange if what we're getting is what is no votes right like it's so that's my assumption is that because also in the three hour finale the final five vote usually pretty much takes up the first hour anyway

because there's a challenge and there's actual strategy that needs to happen and then there's the vote the um scavenger hunt before the challenge and then after that it's a bit more on autopilot we're like they almost always just cut immediately to the next immunity challenge and so that is the only thing i think is a downside is that it maybe does defang the actual finale a little bit in that okay it'll be final four and then final tribal council and then the after okay, it'll be Final Four and then Final Tribal Council and then the after show. And it might be the first time in Survivor history where the final episode of a show

did not feature someone's torch getting stuffed. Or no, I'm sorry, nobody getting voted out. Voted out, yeah. Well, I mean, in international, we've had literally finales that had just Final Tribal Council. Yeah. Yeah, it's all fine.

We'll get one more week of Survivor. We'll get one more week of the B&B. We'll get one more week of survivor we'll get one more week of the b&b we'll get one more week of global uh but before we get to those plugs uh shannon i guess this gives you an opportunity oh yes save face with cats oh my god that you added earlier what would you like to plug this week as a charity okay don't eat cats don't put them in your apps um this could be a bit of a rap itself don't eat cats and put them in your apps um this could be a bit of a rap itself don't eat cats and put them in your apps um yes why do you want to rap about a cat i do all day every day believe me i literally named them after hamilton so i could rap about them um yeah you can donate

to city dogs and cats home which was the adoption agency that facilitated the adoption of my girls um that's my charity but I wanted to say you know it's coming up to two important seasons Christmas obviously the holiday season and breeding season for animals and um I knew Mike would take that and run with it so that's why I specifically clarified it I can see his face don't do it humans are this is when kittens and puppies are born and I just want to remind everyone to adopt, don't shop. It's so important. There are so many animals out there that need homes. Um, and they're just as good as breeded animals. They're amazing. And also if you're thinking about it, like get pets, um, they make the whole world better and adopt. And there are

so many animals that need homes. And if you're in Sydney and you're looking to adopt a cat or cats, you don't know where to go. I have two. I to give away no um you just know the best also they could be freely exchanged like a shot in the dark i'd sooner i'd sooner cut off my ear as we all have to give our ears to jeff but i do i am you know i do work with some groups that facilitate adoptions and there are so many cats that need homes so if you're looking for cats just dm me and we can get you a great cat probably not my two i'm probably going to keep those but they're a cat so please adopt don't shop and that is what you know we've been coming up with slogans this entire podcast i can't think of a better slogan for pets then they won't blindside you well you get blindsided at four in the morning if they're running amok but it's worth it yeah

yeah well this was a collaboration so worth it as well and i know that we will undergo our podcast mitosis and split back into our respective shows next week but shannon what do you want to tease about global if any people just check this out as like their first dance into it, what is, I mean, I guess we sort of did a little bit of a hybrid of it, but what are you going to get into over the next month with Survivor 47? Well, again, we get this, you know, spreadsheets and stuff like that that I still think was clear. Okay. And I think I said it right.

Next week, Nikai Danza will be my guest. So that's always really, really fun. Always love that. You can follow me at Shannon Gates. I'm on Blue Sky as well. Twitter, Instagram, all of that. Reach out if you want a cat. Subscribe.

International Survivor Happens. We have our own feed as well. This has been on YouTube every week. First season, we've done that. And I want to plug, we're doing a draft check-in, Liana, but you can't make it. No, I will be traveling that day. You're traveling? that soul and gabe went out back to back and now you're traveling is that yeah yeah but you still have this teeny though i do though i i am intrigued to see

obviously saul's look like maybe top 10 jury look of all time and that's that not shading sierra as well she looked absolutely gorgeous is gabe gonna try to one-up him next week i think that's the gay boy yes everyone's just shirtless and like that'd be so distracting like everyone yeah progressively more and more naked the strip poker of juries like what is going on at ponderosa but anyway draft check-in will be live 7 p.m tuesday et that's wednesday morning 11 a.m sydney time you guys can work out all the other time zones but is this just going to be like all of you kind of going around talking about how right or wrong you were about the draft yeah we did it last season was super fun um if rachel i even dm'd rachel and i was like if you don't survive this week i can't go to the draft check and she's my life but now i think

rachel's going to win so i'm coming in super cocky um and i'm excited about it so we're gonna talk about all of that liana is there anything you want is there any insult you want to give people that you can't give to puya that i could deliver for you is there anything you want to no but i specifically said puya and nobody else well no as in like she could tell puya to give us a message but instead it would be right right now i mean i actually shannon this could be yours to take and that kind of cookies and cream come in for shannon i'm not gonna lie to you i was thinking this week like should i pre-order my tiara but with that then then i'll get very upset do you just not watch the episode when game's like i'm the most comfortable i've ever been in the game that's me every that's so me though

that's who i am that's like yeah i mean i i don't i don't i don't think it's good but it is who i am so i think maybe i should pre-order the tiara because it's like if rachel wins and then it will take some time to come here with shipping or maybe i should just see where i could get a tiara that i could quickly drive and buy one well or just don't make it season specific and then it will take some time to come here with shipping. Or maybe I should just see where I could get a tiara that I could quickly drive and buy one. Well, or just don't make it season specific and then you can just hold on to it and the off chance that if you lose and you can win a future.

But I probably weren't, Liana, let's be quite honest. This is my best chance. This one right here. You never know. But listen, you got more seasons on the horizon. Exactly. Anyway, Rachel, I beg you. I beg you. Okay. why are you looking at me

like that i'm not doing anything like you're crazy you're the one who's weird you're tweedledum i'm but tweedledee i'm not denying any of those accusations don't look at me like i'm crazy you're crazy i mean both can be true that's why i love you. All right. Well, Liana, what do you have to plug this week? Masked Singer, of course, preparing for the big turkey day. Yes, exactly. We got to talk Miley Cyrus night. So that was very fun.

And you follow me on Blue Sky at Lianaism. Also, the Masked Singer, I found out is airing on Thanksgiving night. Yeah, I know. They just announced it. They're doing a Peanuts theme and then it's airing actually on Thanksgiving, which we thought was definitely a choice.

But I mean, maybe they assume that like people will just be kind of sitting around doing nothing. Yeah, put it on for the kids in the evening when the adults are watching football. I don't know. Should Survivor do that instead, Eric? Because they did air, of course, you know, on Thursday nights back in the day.

That's why they actually skipped a week with Thanksgiving and aired recap episodes. Should they go back to Thursday nights? Because it is such a family show. Such a family show. Except for when Andy is anywhere near a challenge. You can follow me at a Mike Bloom type.

I'll plug my interview with Gabe, which was a lot of fun. Of course, he had a lot to say about his various relationships, how we wanted to proceed forward, et cetera. All the usual stuff. The one thing that I will plug that was a little different this week was I got to talk some Dancing with the Stars, which was very fun.

It's the show I low-key cover for Parade. We talked about the penultimate episode that really did feel like a two-part finale because nobody got eliminated, so everyone's moving on to the finale. And so I just sat through whatever we experienced for two hours i was joined by matt and qt from the circle which was a lot of fun hopefully you all had a lot of fun as well on this crossover uh we'll all be back with our respective podcasts next weekend i hope everyone has a really fantastic thanksgiving for anyone who celebrates of course I am personally

thankful each and every opportunity I get to sit in front of this microphone and talk absolute nonsense with the Tweedledee to my Tweedledum in the form of Liana and for such willing and able guests like Shannon to talk about a show that we still love that's putting out awesome content like this episode week after week let me count

carry the 147 seasons in it just brings me so much gratitude to get to be able to talk about this show still so many years in and to get to keep doing it and to keep playing these games if you have game ideas send them our way rjpbnb at gmail.com hashtag rjpbnb we're getting to the pointy end of the game as people in shannon's area like to say we are accepting of any and all stuff you might have as we round the corner we got one more episode of uh games we need to put out that we need to start planning for so feel free to send us anything that you may have special thanks to

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