RHAP: We Know Survivor - Rob Reacts to AU v World Week 2

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

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Hey, everybody. What's going on? Rob Sesternino back with you to talk about week number two of Survivor A. Hugh versus the world. And I'm so thrilled to be back here with our chief international survivor correspondent. It's Shannon Gus. Shannon. How are you? Rob, I'm wonderful on this momentous day, tangential, but out of context. I'm a wonderful plus one to a wedding. If anyone here could be invited to any wedding. that they might have mutual friends or friends of parents. I know a lot of times parents push for invites and I'm just a great plus one. Like I'll dance if you want to dance. I won't dance if you don't, you know, like, and I'll take all the photos of you. We've been to a wedding together. I think that I've been to a wedding together.

Not as people that were a, you weren't like guests. We both were guests at the same wedding. But you saw I'm a good time. You know, we were sitting next to each other, I think. Look, we could talk. about the royal wedding some other time, Shannon. But we have so much to talk about here after a second week. And believe it or not, what is zippy season this is turning into? Because what, there's only four episodes left in the season? Yeah, best not to think about it. I was going to say

we have the royal wedding. This was like the royal divorce. A lot of people are in mourning. Two weeks in, we are 60% through the season. It's so upsetting. It's so upsetting. This really was a very transitional week where we went from, we started the week, we were in the pre-merge, we've ended the week, and there's four episodes left in the season. So really, we went from, like, I felt like it was the early game still

at the start of the week, and now at the end of this week, it feels like we are in the end game of Survivor A.U. versus the world. You know, when we talk in a week from now, there'll be one episode left. And I think about this all the time. And I love Survivor more than anything. It's well documented. But, like, how am I going to go back to regular Survivor?

this is like this is this is incomparable you know what i mean yes yes well it has been so strong it's really it's been called the Sabrina carpenter because this season is like the espresso shot of the season but because it's just it's just like so like it's small and concentrated but it like it packs a punch yeah well that's and with a lot of different pop star talk in the first two minutes of this podcast um yeah yeah it's it's the exhibition match and we've said that and i just i wanted to be longer though i think it's it's fine it's just i'm going to miss it yeah you know what i mean so looking forward to talking through a very eventful week because i think that there were a lot of curious decisions that got made this week and i'd love to sort of talk some of those through

with you i had just watched before we came on your exit interview with Tony, which I thought was really wonderful. And if you didn't see it, I really was very touched. You got very emotional with Tony at the end of that interview. Yes, I didn't know how it would go. When Tony got voted out, I was in tears. Like, I was in tears that he was gone. I was in tears that I got to talk to him because I knew had an exit interview. And, but then I was like, I'm definitely going to cry on the exit interview. I'd already cried with Sandra a couple of years ago. So my track record wasn't good. But I was like, I genuinely just don't know how I will be in that moment. But it was, I was so nervous and I was so starstruck and I was so overawed. And then at the

end, getting to tell Tony how much he's meant to me, like in really difficult times of my life. I said the two things for him was that Kagayan was when I started listening to every single RHAP podcast. That was the season where I started my full-time job that I'm still in. And like, that was my commute and that was my lunch break and that was being, you know, on the job too. And that, I feel like it's a season that really cemented me as a super fan. And I feel like Tony's such a big part of that. I think about the Kagayan deep dives that were incredible. And that really like, I think it changed the course of my life because, and you did as well,

obviously, because it was RCHAP that did it. But like that season being so good, changed the trajectory of my life to where I am now. And then in 2020, which was like one of the worst periods of my life, Tony dominating every week. And I regretted that I said it was a small comfort. That's not what I meant. I meant it was like the one comfort, you know, in a really dark time of what. watching my favorite winner dominate winners at war. And I was so, I was so grateful to tell him that. I just wanted him to know the effect he's had on me, you know, that this means something

to me. And I'm sure to many others. So yeah, I did get emotional. And I don't regret it because I'm just really glad. Yeah. Why should you regret it? Yeah. I can't believe I got to tell Tony that. I'm so lucky. Yeah. Well, I thought that that was a really nice moment. And it was glad I got the chance to see it and get to talk with you about this week. And so, I don't know, I said to Shannon before we started that I'd like to talk through things a little bit more from the beginning, like linearly to be able to talk it through. Because a lot of times in my podcasting, I do like to say, like, well, what's the biggest thing to talk about?

And I think you could certainly start at the end. I'm just worried that if we did it that way, I might not get to things from earlier in the week. yeah well and especially because earlier in the week was lifetimes ago like tony went home we've merged kirby's gone somehow like it's been a lot but i just want to know what stood out yeah and if you're just finding this podcast of course shannon does incredible coverage all week long she has daily recaps of all this episodes with chappelle and puya and mike bloom and she's gone through each of the episodes from this season in great detail it has exit interviews you can hear them

all in the Survivor Global Podcast feed. We Know Global Survivor.com. And you can check them all out on our YouTube channel as well. And to our patrons, if anybody's having any tech issues, you know, trying to get to see all this stuff, we are working through any technical difficulties you may be experiencing. And I do apologize for that. okay but you know the week started as i was afraid it was going to start where i was i was concerned about tony i didn't think he really stood much of a chance moving forward and we ended up

with starting starting starting off on that episode where uh it was really you know you had the four women in the uh what what are they called the international the global tribe the world tribe The world tribe, yeah, yeah. The, yeah, the, you know, no longer world tribe. And it really did seem like, okay, so Surrey and Parvety were, you know, angling for, okay, let's keep Tony while we saw Lisa and Cass were a little bit more angling of, well, let's keep Tommy around. And it seemed like that they were a little bit at loggerheads over that.

And I thought that that was an interesting decision that they had to work through. Yeah, Tony and Tommy and Cass's accent. was a trip as well. That was a tough one that they really had to keep subtitling. This was everything we feared. Even though the word or the word or word was immediately Lama, which was a sign from the universe,

there was nothing here for Tony. Like, did you see anything that Tony could have done? What did you think of the song? No, I didn't think that there was too much that Tony could have done. First of all, I was a little disappointed with the twist that they ended up doing where they were going to bring both tribes

to tribal council. And I felt like, okay, well, maybe this is an opportunity for Tony to be able to, you know, have something else to go on. And, you know, they brought the two tribes to tribal council and one person was going to get voted out. And Surrey seemed like, oh, my, Jonathan, what is that? What is, are you coming up with two tribes at one tribal council and somebody's getting voted out? Like, this is crazy. Like, Sarri, this happened on a season that you were on. She wasn't in that tribal council.

Did she not watch that episode? Did she ever ask? Hey, whatever happened to JT? He's kind of a thorn in my side. What did you all do at that tribal council? Rob, what happened to Surrey in game changes happened to me? I'd never watch Survivor again. You think she was there watching it?

Like, ooh, what's going to happen? This is so compelling. I'd be out and I wouldn't come back. It wasn't exactly what they did to JT. But I think I would have preferred. That was Malcolm's tribe. I apologize. J.T.

was at that trouble. It was Malcolm, my bad. Yeah. Maybe she was like, I don't care what happened to Malcolm. Yeah. But I don't think you get what happened to anyone on that season. Yeah, I did like the twist that was here.

And again, we're not here to, what's the war dog quote that the twist is it on trial? But I didn't. A million percent on trial. The twist is always on trial. I didn't love the, you brought both the tribes here. It was going to be the thing before the merge.

I feel like you could have had like, okay, hey, both tribes are here. year you've two of you have fought for individual immunity we're all going to vote and one person is going to go home like I like I maybe they feel like okay is that not then then are we merged then and maybe is that what they were thinking through but the fact that it was all going to come down to a heads up fire making challenge on a random rock draw like I just felt like what are we even doing yeah no part of this work no part of this worked at all even with the history and the season's fun because like everything has history like tony one fire so he lost fire like the fate

is in her hands and even with that it's just like there's really nothing here they at least should have gotten to choose this is all been said but they're firemaker but like then that would have been the bare minimum but i didn't get to say it um yeah i think that okay choose your champion okay who do you want to make fire for your team who is the best fire maker for your at least then maybe tony is like hey like put me in like let me at least fight for my life. Let me fight for immunity for everybody. Yeah.

Well, the only one interesting thing about this was something I asked Sarah on the ex-interview was like, could you have thrown that challenge? Because she's immune. Yeah. And she said she wanted to work with Tony. She has reverence. And like, I don't know how much he knew Tony was like on the outs.

But she wanted Shawnee out. I kind of don't understand how Shawnee wouldn't have gone because Sarah was so out on Kirby, even more than I realized from her exit, like in her ex-interview, I realized that. So Janine and Luke are going to vote together. they're not going to vote for Kirby, they can't vote for Sarah. They're going to vote for Shawnee.

That's Sarah's vote on Shawnee. She gets our Johnny, which she's wanted. She keeps Tony, she throws fire, but she was very sad on, like, Australia having the numbers. It would have been a big play, but that would have been an interesting. And that was Tony's only, only chance of the fire. If somebody had never met ever, threw fire there. Well, I had been wondering as I watched it, you don't think there was any chance Surrey was throwing the fire, right?

No. Why would she? She wanted Tony to, even in the next episode, she says, I still wish it was the six of us. Like, she didn't want to vote out to her. Yeah. Well, that's sort of my thinking about this. I feel like that if Surrey really did want to keep Tony,

I think Tony would have stayed. I think Surrey. Yeah, exactly. I think Surrey really could have, like, you can't convince me that if Surrey in her heart of hearts really wanted Tony to stay, I think she could have, like, You know, like, and you and Chappelle were talking about this a little bit. If, if Surrey and Parvety really wanted to go to the mat for Tony, I think that if push came to shove, that Lisa and Cass would have come around eventually.

But here's the thing is this is the theme we've seen through the week, is that Surrey's major investment and priority is to the worlds. Yeah. More than Tony. More than poverty. Yeah, but that's, that's just what, you know, as a Tony fan, I was disappointed. because it was like, you could have kept Tony. You could have saved him.

And again, that's more of a me thing than it's for them. I don't begrudge them. It's their prerogative to do what they wanted to do. But I'm just saying that, like, they definitely did not want to keep him that badly. Because I do believe they could have kept him if they really wanted him. Right, but there's like a chasm between, like, I'll throw fire to get rid of Tony versus, like, if push comes to shove and I have to. The thought occurred to me. I think that Surrey was actually was trying.

But as I was watching it, too. Do you think she was throwing in Panama as well? I like to believe she was in the fire making. Why? I think she was throwing the balance beam. I don't think Surrey's ever actually lost it anything on purpose. Like, I think it's all been on purpose. I think it's all by design.

Yeah. I don't know about that. But yeah, I just feel like for Tony and as a Tony fan, just this whole episode was just like such like a slow motion car wreck. of like it was just one thing going wrong after another for Tony where it was just like there's no way out of this right

right yeah it's really not fun as a Tony stand yeah and it did feel like that Parvety wanted to keep Tony more than Surrey did and it seemed like that Parvety was a little bit more willing to go to bat because she felt like okay well at least he's a shield for me but then when Tony

and I think that you and Chappelle were talking about this also what like was the vote decided before tribal council? I suspect it was in terms of, although I guess that maybe they might have thought that they were going to come in, potentially all voting together on something. But I do feel like that the die was cast for Tony.

I don't think that anything he did at that tribal council made the vote 100% be him. I think it already was 100% on him. Yeah, I'm glad you agree because I feel like this has been kind of debated this week. But for me, Sarri says that she's out on Tony

and what is like, what's he going to do? Like, beg poverty to convince Surrey, to convince the others. Like, it was so gone. We haven't even gotten your take on what the internet has dubbed

Shue's big move or it's just an effing shoe. What did you think of the shoe? Do you know that our YouTube ads? Our Shoe Chub ads had a shoe underneath the video like the internet is listening to us. It was crazy about under our recap.

Yeah, the shoe. So far be it from me to ever, you know, give notes to Tony. But, yeah, I think that the best, we've talked about this, like, like the best fake idol of all time, like was Rupert putting a rock in his pocket. You know, I think that, you know, Bob Crowley says that, you know, you go into the bank with a fake gun, you know, it could be just, you can't show it to them. And so I can't imagine in what world as anybody, I feel like I've,

I'm sitting there and Tony starts tying a sneaker around his neck I'm like what what is what is going on it like I guess like in and Tony's mind moves you know a you know at the speed of light and he's going he's going and I heard him talk to you about it like

he's really just playing jazz at that point he's like I'm going through my bag I'm looking for something I see a shoe and I'm going to have a rock in my shoe and that's the idol that I'm tying around my neck um okay, but

you know, it's I don't know I'm a survivor plan like, wait, what's happening right now? Why is he have a sneaker around the day? If he just sort of said like,

hey, you know, as always, Jonathan, you know, I have my bag of tricks ready to go. I think that I would maybe start to think a little bit more about, you know,

okay, well, what does he have something? I feel like that at the point where It's like, you know, going back to the film, Jaws, where, you know, that you didn't really see the shark as much. Tony hates sharks. You didn't see the shark, and it was scarier than if you got a close-up of the shark. Like, wait, is that a sneaker?

Yeah. But, but imagine you'd be scared to get idled out on the shoe, to get booted, if you will. Like, you would be, you'd hate to be the one who didn't believe the shoe. and then the shoe with something and then you're going home and then people remember that forever so sometimes it's just about shock and awe I think there's a lot of Tony's game right?

Yeah yeah sorry yes brilliant yeah um my bad yeah I thought it was iconic we'll always remember it so that's really sometimes all you can hope for is okay you know it's a foregone conclusion Tony's going out he's going to like give us like a big moment I saw

he was doing his post-game interviews and he still had the shoe around. He had the shoe on. I kind of thought about it. I kind of thought, I said to Peter, I'm like, should I come in wearing a shoe? Peter's like, this is your one chance to talk to Tony. I'm like, all right, I'll keep, I'll keep it like earnest. I'm like, I would. If it was someone else, I might have.

But, I mean, the one thing that people kind of questioned was, did he make a mistake in going hard at poverty, who was at least the one who had to be fair, you know, not chosen him over the women, like didn't tell him about the key, like had. actively pulled away from him but less than everyone else yeah like yeah in a perfect world that's a that's a good call i don't think it changed anything i think that already you know if seri kind of has her mind made up okay i have to really nurture my relationship with lisa and cast like and and by proxy Tommy these are my people i'm not going to go against them like i feel like these are my my numbers that i'm bringing to the end parvety is like well what am i going to do like

not go with the numbers and then he singles out Parvety at that tribal council and you know little does Tony know that actually it's you know the other way around Parvety was vouching for him more but it wasn't going to change anything so I thought it was

like pretty astute how he was able to piece together you know what had gone on with the key and specifically that how far like I don't think he actually saw parvety uh with the key he's just basically sort of like just putting shoe and shoe together right so yeah i thought that he had like uh some good

reads um you know i think he was trying to get maybe everybody else thinking a little bit more about that i don't think he uh maybe had supposed that um Lisa and Cass had both already known that they had opened the box that they had the key so it just there's not a lot he could have done. Like, I don't know necessarily, like, other than, like, standing up and blowing out Sarah's fire, like, I don't know what, what he could have, like, he's trying to coach Surrey. He just seemed like that he was in a no-win situation.

And there's a few times that we could really say that about a survivor player. I don't see how things could have gone differently for Tony. Yeah, it was painful. And in terms of poverty, it's interesting because later on in this week, Kobe's going to be so upset with poverty. She's not going to hug poverty on the way out. But it's again, like, poverty is not controlling that vote. Like, poverty is probably vouching the most for that person,

but is not in with the numbers making that decision. And I think it's a very similar thing there where she's kind of getting the blame or getting, you know, she's on the back foot, but it's not up to her. So, yeah, very upsetting. We'll always have the shoe. You know, that's our best player of all time, Rob. He's going to shoe around his neck and he's falling in the well.

And that's the greatest we have. And I really stand by that. So it was an honor to have Tony on the show. I wish on the shoe. I wish it wasn't so short shoot to live. can't. I have to stop. I'm now talking in Q, but in shoe, and I hear it. Yeah, it was an honor to have him. I wish that he had more runway to run with the shoes. I'm done. It's over. I got it out of my system. It won't take long to tell you neutral's ingredients.

Vodka, soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about? No sugar added. Neutral. Refreshingly simple. Let's get into the episode that comes after that where we end up having the merge in episode five. And so I have mixed feelings about really kicking things off with the survivor auction. How so?

Well, first of, I did love it because the Australian Survivor, the auctions are always so iconic. One of the things that Australian Survivor just does so much better than the U.S. Survivor, where the U.S. Survivor, you know, they took the auction away. It's like, we can't do, we can't do the auction. What are the stakes? What is it, like, it has to mean more. All right, what if you lose your vote? And they just, like, completely, like, overthink it and, like, talk themselves into circles where, It's always great when they do it on Australian Survivor.

It's like a regular auction. They just do it. And they're not so worried about like, but what, what is the viewer at home? Like, are they invested in this? Like, no, it's just, it's fun. And so it's always great. But it's like, what are we even doing that, like, what is it, like day six? And then where it's like, here's like, this, like, super short season.

And, like, they're eating so much that. that, like, here's a rack of ribs. I don't know. It's just like a little bit like, it's like we're so early in a short season. Like, I don't know if you needed like to give them an auction. But the auction is fun. Are you saying that you used to walk up to tribal?

What do they say everyone, all the old school players, both ways walk uphill to try. Yeah, maybe that's why Norm was bidding on that club sandwich. They're like, I kind of just ate. I'm full. I mean, earlier in the season, Like, you know, these, King George had a bowl of rice that was like, like, three times, like, what I would eat in real life. It was like, how much?

I think that they have a lot of food. Well, they haven't had a reward since the first episode, to be safe. Parmy's like, I can't even finish these cookies. Like, I'm stuck. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that is true. I mean, people were saying, like, oh, they wish, like, Ferris could have been Kirby's loved one. I'm like, can you imagine if they bring the loved one?

Like, I think I would care if I saw, like, my cats after a car. I mean, I leave for an hour and I miss my cats. But I think most people after two weeks wouldn't really care of, do you think? Yeah, you would. You definitely would care about the loved ones. It's just that, like, it's a minor equivalent of like, I don't know what actual day it was. Like, I think it might have been like day eight or nine. It was like, you know.

That didn't even in a week. Okay. So it's fine. Damn, shaming them. No, it's just, I just feel like it was such a short season. It is funny. Yeah. Anyway.

It's funny to think that they were like, when the club sandwich came out. They're like, I'm kind of, kind of stuff. Yeah. And it went for $40, which is honestly, like, not a terrible price just like in a cafe. Mm-hmm. Yeah. If you're a tourist, sure. Yeah, where you are.

So, but it was a fun way to announce the merge to do that. There was a lot of big moments that ended up coming in. I did feel like, so the first thing was the scroll, right? And then Luke and Tommy are both bid $500 for the scroll. and then there's a they have to pick rocks for it and then Luke gets it it's like that Luke really gets hosed here in this of that he basically has to go punish somebody who goes and gets like I thought it's like a very like overpowered reward for what it ultimately was not even just like I will talk about it separately but like you know going back to this

so many comparisons to Survivor fans versus favorites this is like the Natalie bolted thing of like pick one person to go to exile island and you got to keep their money um yeah luke should have gotten parvety's money at the very least well maybe he should have realized that he had gay if he was going to gain something it was the power to give someone something like could he send himself yeah so then i really did think i really did think that parvite's um countdown to luke i really thought that was going to work like that was the thing I was like really like, wow, this is so impressive. Parvite, look at her power where she's like, Luke, you're not going to do this.

Okay, I'm going to give you a countdown. It's five. I'm like, oh my God, this is going to work. And this is like going to be like, forget the double idol play. This is the most impressive thing Parvite has ever done. And then she ultimately, then he says, I can't. I have to do it. I have to do it.

But did you think that was going to work? Well, I kind of thought because he'd made such a terrible decision. that she was allowing him to walk it back, but then you've done two people. It was so easy to just send Tommy. He has no money anyway. It was so easy. What was he thinking?

Sending Poverty. Like, what, like, that's not how you take Poverty out of the game if she's a big threat. And you haven't even merged yet to know if that's how it's going to go. I guess what, what Luke is thinking is that, hey, I'm team Australia all the way. Parvety is like the biggest name over there.

I'm going to just, you know, do this and take her out of this so she can't get an advantage or an idol so i definitely i could see why you would do it that way i don't know i think that probably what you said is uh a better idea tommy does not uh hold the grudge i think in that spot where parvety is saying like hey like you're going to be sorry almost somehow luke is still here at the end of this week i did not think that that was going to be the case coming in but parvety goes and she ends up getting so much out of this where I think she also, does she get to keep her

500 Australian dollars too? Oh my God. Well that changes everything. I mean she keeps like the 300 US dollars like that's I'm not sneezing at it okay? Yeah. Sure. She ends up okay well we have the return of the cookies. It's like okay

this is great. This is like Jericho's cookies back the irony of Luke sending somebody to go and get the cookies and she has the cookie jar and it's like okay you can bury it, you can eat them, and that's all well and good. But then also with the

cookies is an advantage of the idle nullifier, too? Well, the stealer. It's a steeler. The steel and idol, the Australian knowledge is power. Yeah, we have a full of that. And

I just thought that this was so much of like, it was cookies and also an advantage. Like, pick a lane. It was a lot. It was a lot and I'm glad I was seeing like already has the idol it's in the box yeah well I was glad it wasn't another idol I'm glad we haven't introduced another idol into the game um we introduced the idol sealer

last season miles got that yes and now I wonder I don't know I mean Luke doesn't even remember that we watched the vibe in New Zealand and that he was on my penultimate recap and he doesn't remember Lisa's name or where she's from like you were on the penultimate recap with me Luke so I don't know how much he like is reading into things but like Luke and cap castes have not shared their idols. I wonder if the precedent is being set. Once you introduce knowledge of power into the game, we saw in the US, people would pass their idols around.

People should keep the idols more secret. I think it kind of limits what you should do gameplay-wise. It makes it less dynamic. But I wonder if that precedent is being set just in case because it's like, oh, no, sorry, they hadn't watched it. Oh my gosh. I'm only just realizing this now. They hadn't seen brains be born.

And I doubt that they cared enough to get the spoilers. So, yeah, this is very new to them. That's going to be shocking to them. Like, even the most, like, ardent fans couldn't know that this is in the game. Interesting. Yeah. I just realized that.

Okay. And I do wonder. Well, then it's very lucky that Luke and Cass just happened not to share their idols as well. Yeah. I think that is there some sort of, like, Chekhov's advantage of that is poverty going to steal Luke's idol? Luke's idol.

Say, Luke, you said, I told you, you were going to be sorry. Yeah. I told me, don't mess with you. Don't mess with me. How will she find out he has an idol? He's, like, so, like, steadfast and not telling anyone about it. He didn't use it for David. He hasn't told Janine.

Yeah. Maybe she'll just guess. What happened to the rest of the cookies that Parvitey? Then she broke the jar and the cookies came out. Did she just, like, like, five-second rule? Did she- Would you do it? Because I thought about this. Yeah, as a survivor, I certainly would have, you know, attempted to desandify the cookies.

Like, did Serri not even get it? a cookie? Well, no, because they all, well, they found to the sand. I thought I might eat the cookies with sand. To be fair, she's only been there for a week, okay? She can still have some dignity. But no, it's not the sand. There's glass on the cookies wrong. The glass is, I don't think the glass is in a million pieces. Like, uh, it wasn't. I don't know. I don't think she should eat the glass

cookies. I think she can go the next seven days without eating the glass cookies. So, I think that's my question. Like, I'm curious to know what ended up happening with them. I guess they're just a shame that she lost a few cookies. Maybe it is a shame Maybe they're like going to be like Why are there ants everywhere all of a sudden? What the hell?

What's going on here? Someone, yeah, digs them out eats a glass cookie Yeah That would be an unfortunate way to go out To be like I'm still going to eat the cookies You eat it, you eat glass Many back straight out of the X style

But as far as the rest of the auction goes Was there anything else of note from the auction? Oh yeah, Kirby got like the big thing of popcorn and was like, oh, man, this sucks popcorn. Like, Kirby, dude, you were on this season where there was an advantage, right, or was an idol? It was in the popcorn, Kirby. Like, I'm up Kirby and I get the popcorn like this.

I'm like, ho-ho. And love your Australian Survivor memory. Yes, really, it was Raymond, which Kirby clearly doesn't remember, even though that aired months before, only months before they filmed this. Yeah, and like, obviously. Kirby just seems so bummed.

Like, oh, it's just a big canister of popcorn like yeah I can think of two different times when Australian Survivor puts an idol in popcorn it's like not bad it was her season I mean she hasn't seen

the other seasons but she should know from her own season when she was involved in the move where Raymond got it in the popcorn so but it wasn't there it wasn't there and she was she might have been there she might have been there she might have never even looked I don't want this she was spilling it and I you're all upset about

the cookies got wasted I was like she's filling the popcorn everywhere I was like eat every little bite like yeah it wasn't you're right they've only been there for a week she's like I don't care about this popcorn so yeah but it's an interesting merge for sure uh that ends up coming together and so um is I'm trying to remember uh which which was the challenge for this episode for last gasp that had book okay oh yeah oh my god um that was so it like it's so compelling and the survivor gods I think we're really on board here with like we're in this you know I can't remember well I'm sure it has happened before but maybe not in the HD era where it was like so impressive of like okay last gasp is going on but as the rains are coming down so you have these players that are fighting

on last gasp which is already like so so iconic and then the rain is coming up down and the lightning starts. And I'm like, okay, well, this is like, are we going to shut down a survivor challenge for lightning? Because, you know, if you're, if you're ever like at the pool, it's like, all right, everybody out of the pool, lightning. But I'm like, wow, Australian survivor, they don't care. They're going.

And then ultimately, JLP calls it. And now we have to get everybody out of the water for the challenge. And it seemed like it really was like within minutes away from being decided. And it was just so epic the whole thing. And then when we were at this crossroads of what do we do for who's going to get immunity? And we end up drawing rocks for immunity. Yeah. Did you have a, like, we fight for it?

Like, do you have like a better idea? I feel like, and I know we're on the fly. I feel like that maybe we could have like some better contingency than we're going to draw rocks for immunity. I don't think. I don't like what? what could we have done just like put him in the water now just like drown them right now

just you get in and there's a hold of the best the longest in the water I mean this is going back to a survivor born of you everybody get in the water last one to pop up wins immunity

hold your breath for as long as possible that's good that's not it's not it's not last gas but it's better than let's draw rocks out of the bag for immunity

that's not a challenge that's like what you eight year old might do in a pool when they're bored Like, that's not, you know. For the record, Shannon, it was a challenge in Survivor Borneo. Well, we've come a long way, Rob. It's better that hold your breath, especially when the original challenge was last gasp.

And as the tiebreaker to be ever, hold your breath under the water for as long as positive. Last one to pop up wins immunity. That's, that's for, and I just thought of that on the fly. That's great. How is mortal danger? Can we put these players in? We've had so many lawsuits. It's not danger.

They're not going to, that Tommy's going to want to. so bad that he will, like, end his life under the water? I think that's the end of the time. No one that he's barely gotten any airtime. He just never comes back up. Like, you'd feel bad, Rob, and it would be on your head. He's gone full Gabler. Yeah.

Yeah, you, you, that's, I'd die. But that would have been fine. There was a point. You want me to die? I don't want time me to die. Come on. Don't twist my words. So, JLP says to them, okay, if anybody doesn't unanimously agree to that,

nobody will get immunity. Was there any strategic benefit in any of those four saying, you know what? I'm fine with nobody to get immunity. No, no. Because that already makes you look like such a dick. Like that's the first part.

And the second part is like they both have like an even tribe chance and like allied chance. I was straight to the point there. Yeah. So I think it made sense. And it gave such a great moment of Tommy finally winning a rock drawer.

Yeah, Tommy. The multi rock drawers we've had this. They're like, aha! finally get like if you only knew like Luke won nothing Luke won the opportunity to piss off Parvety and give her a bunch of stuff so but Tommy might not have made such a terrible decision like Tommy might have sent himself back to Camden he might have cookies that you didn't win the first rock draw idol stealer it's true and the fire you really like look that's the most

Finland has won in eight years was that rock drawer of and you're spitting on Tommy and you want him to die is this like Olympic hazing of yeah okay Finland hasn't won anything in eight years years? That's what he said. You think I know Finland's middle count? I don't even know Australia's middle count. I don't care for the Olympics. Yeah. Okay. All right. Tommy forever. Forever. I love Tommy. I love Tommy. I love him. He was so endearing in this episode. I'm really, I'm so glad I watched his season. Okay. So it was certainly an interesting vote that ends up

coming together because there's a lot of different factions that are coming to be. And we have The two sides, maybe, but it turns out that Kirby and Shawnee decide that they both seemingly want to go and work with Parvety for whatever reasons. They want to, what's that? I met poverty. Yeah, like wouldn't you? So I kind of got the Shawnee Parvety thing a little bit more. Shawnee talks about it in this episode, like, oh, it would be so iconic, you know, the fans, they'll all love that.

So I really did kind of get that from Shawnee's perspective a little bit more. I think the thing that I'm sort of the most curious about or Kirby's about, if you will, as the week goes on, is I will not understand why Kirby, and hopefully maybe you can help illuminate for me. why Kirby, for, I am really at a loss for reasons, decided to go all in on Parvety. I just, Kirby, who I had thought was like a very, like, you know, I don't have practical is the right word, but sort of like no nonsense type player. And Kirby meets David in this season and is like, David. not going to work with me, not my kind of guy, you're a big threat, everybody's going to be totally won over by you, bye-bye, David. I can't have any of this. I'm like, okay, you know, this makes sense. Kirby doesn't want to work with the big players. And then Kirby spots Parvety

and then is just like, oh my God, you know what? Forget anybody else that I've been working with The one, I'm going to pledge my undying loyalty to this person. And I would get, again, there are other people here who are, like, with Lisa and Surrey, like, I totally understand it. Lisa is a lifelong survivor super fan. It's her dream to meet Surrey. Here she is. She's with Surrey, and she's like, you know what?

I want, this is my, like, my ultimate survivor dream. I'm living it out. I'm working with Surrey. This is incredible. And so, you know, if I, if I, you know, not necessarily, you know, making, you know, every decision completely clearheaded because I'm getting to work with Surrey, this is fantastic. Kirby, who admittedly is like, you know what? I've never seen this show. I have no idea who any of you people are.

It's not like that she's like starstruck by Parvety. this was like me asking like is Parvety just like that good where she just like has met this random person and Kirby who we've seen be such a great player across like 1.2 seasons of Survivor that she just completely

just one Kirby over head over heels with nothing? I think yeah I do think that there's, like, some poverty power there that we even see before they merge that Kirby's, like, talking to her at the challenges. So I kind of feel like there was that kind of pool and that aura.

And also, like, Kirby is, like, willing to throw Sarah under the bus anyway, right or wrong. Right. And you said, the Kirby Sarah thing was doomed to war. Like, that was not a match. But, yeah, I just, I never really got from Kirby this week of why, why was she so ready just to go, you know, especially after, you know, we have the whole backstory with Ferris. And it totally tracked when she was like, hey, I cannot work with

somebody like David in this game. And the last person I want to work with is David. But you know who I do want to work with? The person who is incredibly close with David, who has just been on a different show which I guess I guess Kirby doesn't know because she doesn't even seem to know what's going on on Survivor let alone on Deal or No Deal Island if she only knew but I just like it defies logic to me of and maybe and the answer is Rob that's because that this is like the poverty magic does not work in logic yes I think yes and I also think like poverty like she's like a big fish you know everyone is competing to be like poverty's ally Sarah is and

Shawnee is and Kirby is not Luke but yeah I kind of feel like it was like who can win this thing like the separate subgame of being poverty's number one and I honestly just think that she was overawed by poverty like I think that's I don't I think you're the first person to question it all week and I've honestly never even considered it until now because it kind of feels like it speaks for itself it just to me like I totally if this was Shawnee doing this like like I totally get it where Shawnee is like oh my God

the internet is going to lose their minds Shawnee and Parvety finally collaborating and working together but Kirby who seems to not be a person who has any sort of like interest or knowledge or care about what like oh what are the fans going to think like for Kirby

to just like especially after her story was I cannot work with a charismatic David like he's just like a Ferris But in the case of Fierce Parvety, it's like, you know what, that's it. I'm going to, that's my, forget anybody else. She's talking really badly about Faris on the season.

I was friends, I'd be like, oh, I love you. We're friends. Like, why? Like, what is all this PTSD with Farad? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's just the aura. Yeah. Okay.

Going back to just like then and Sarah, who, like, I really enjoyed in this season. I really thought that Sarah was such a compelling figure. in all of this because I just felt like that you could, you know, you saw all of her, you know, agonizing over every decision that was made and she was a good narrator and sort of talking through her feelings of like, you know, that Sarah did not always make the best decision, but you understood her motivations every step of the way. Whereas I think that really what I'm struggling to understand is Kirby's motivations for why she ended up wanting to go all in with Parvety at the point that she did. It just to me feels like,

like this whole season, I'm just left with, you know, if Sarah who had the regret over, I should have kept David over George. I just feel like that this season would be, would actually be a lot more interesting had that happened where, you know, David ends up staying. And it would have been at the expense of George who goes home in the next episode. And so now that on the Australia tribe, you have now, okay, David, Luke, Janine, and Sarah together. as a four and I don't know necessarily who would have potentially gone home from I guess it would have been maybe they win the challenge now

so maybe Tony goes and then like a Tommy goes and so it's basically a lot of the people like that people just would have gone out one vote earlier you know to get to this point Tony might go okay and maybe Tommy and maybe Tommy's not there at the merge but now imagine you got to this merge and now David's here

and now what does Parvety do. And now, you know, and we saw that Parvety's, like, uh, loyalty to Surrey is sort of like there's a tug of war over Surrey wants to get rid of Kirby. What's Parvety going to do? But imagine if instead of Kirby, that's David here. And then Parvety has to decide what do, okay, so and Surrey's not going to like, hmm, this David guy, I'm not, like, what are we doing here? Like, I don't, I don't like this. Like, I think that this would be an even more. compelling scenario that we'd be at at this point in the season. I don't know if we can say it would be more compelling.

I just did. I just did. I think that's crazy. We don't know. It's so good, you know. And it was so good to see that Parvite's decision about like, do I, do I keep Surrey happy or do I go with this new thing with Kirby? But if that was David instead of Kirby, that that's a real decision for Parvety who's just come off of playing dealer, no deal.

Island with David, that that would be a much harder decision for her. And I think she would have played the idol for David in that spot. Yeah, I mean, like, of all the prep we did, Dondy not being as important as like Quebec and Finland was actually not on my bingo card. But I don't know if we can say it would be better. I think that I just did twice. But I'm criticizing you. I think that I, well, I'm not criticizing you.

I just question because it's already so good and all of these characters are delivering. Like if you take out an ad in any piece, you're going to. going to get something great. That's the beauty of this casting. Like if you do lose a Shawnee or a Kirby who's been such a massive part of this and her relationship with Sarah has been so complicated and interesting, maybe you lose, you know, other parts of that. I was thinking even if like, you know, say Shawnee does go, say Sarah loses fire and Tony's in the merge, like the whole landscape is different. Any one of these players changes the landscape so drastically that we can't imagine what would be like. And you know what? It would be entertaining

because it's a wonderful cast and that's the formula that they gave. I don't know if we can say would be better. Why won't you give me this? No, because it's so good. Something could be good, but then it also could be better. It's like the best season ever and you're like, here's all can be improved. Like, what?

I think it would have been more compelling, I think, if Parvety had to choose between her loyalty to Surrey and her loyalty to David. I think that that would be, like. I think Heroes versus Villains is a better season if Surrey isn't idled out. But we got the season we didn't Heroes versus Villains. It's like the best season of all time. Like, be happy with what you have, Rob.

Yeah. I'm telling you this. I'm usually a real pessimist. Okay. Well, the vote was so interesting where it was this 3-3-4 vote where Surrey has to end. I think Surrey has the most interesting spot in this vote because she has to decide to leave Lisa and Cass and Tommy in the dark. And.

Well, I think they, they knew, but they didn't get their way. Like, Lisa says that she's going with them. Like, I think it was a. you think it was a split vote against the idol yeah i think so that's interesting i don't think that the three worlds thought janine was going home i think they wanted janine to go home but they didn't have the power to pull surrey and poverty over to that five-person vote yeah i think we'd have seen a bigger reaction if they'd been straight up left out of the vote okay you know i didn't think about it um like that but uh you know i know you have so i will

I thought out it so much. I will take your word on that. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I don't know. Yeah, I just thought it was an interesting spot for Surrey of like what she wants to do. Because I was thinking about like, okay, well, because Surrey could have voted with the world people in that spot. And I think she sort of like begrudgingly ends up going with now is, when I see the new Black Widow Brigade 2.0 talked about. Like a widower brigade. Yeah.

And then we're going to get the blackest widowist brigade. So this is actually three. sure is is the new black widow brigade what was the four that voted together in episode four or episode five where it was uh seri parvety shani and kirby or is the new black widow brigade the uh seri parvety lisa and cass well i think people immediately were like lisa and cass you're done and kirby and shonnie are here which is unfortunate because people were really standing the second black or is it just like one of these bands where it's like as long as seri and poverty it doesn't matter who the other people are yeah yeah that is that that is the perfect

analogy and that's probably the thing of lisa and scas are still there and they're just not like in on the vote or they're not being prioritized so they're like wait but we haven't left the band yet what do you mean you have new members of the band i'm still here playing the drums like what are we doing so i think that is what it is though that's the blackwood brigade band okay just whatever is this Surrey and Parvety And two other people I think you should have like Amanda was important

Like Alexis and like Natalie You know But like we can start revolving the others out But it's a bit unfortunate I think Amanda was important But anyway Yeah I think that if it was a real blackwood I think you really could have

If you had Amanda there And it was poverty Surrey Amanda And then really anybody It could be Yeah It could be me It's like it's the new black winner brigade

Whatever nobody cares As long as you have like The Big Three I think that that's fine. But yeah, I was disappointed that it ultimately ended up going on to Sarah. I can understand why that was. And then all of a sudden we have our first member of the jury. Yeah, should have been four episodes earlier.

Do you think that the whole, everybody should have been on the jury. It should have been like a winners of war. Yeah. And I usually hate that. Yeah. But it's like to the ambition match. Like, why is he going home? You know, he should be on the jury wearing a shoe every night.

What is the jury? What prize for Australian Survivor versus the world? 250K Australians. Okay. And what is that in comparison to the normal prize? That's half. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Not bad. Not bad for a, you know, they don't even care about getting the club sandwich. I don't care about seeing their loved ones. They don't, you know, they're not going to eat the sand glass cookies. 250K ain't bad. It's poverty. You might have an extra $300 from the auction.

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And so there's so many things to untangle from this. Now, it seems like that maybe, does Surrey have like buyers remorse? from going with the other people because she seems to really want to walk back to, okay, I have to like reconnect with Lisa and Cass. Yeah, I think that this is the theme of the season is being like caught between two worlds. Yeah.

Different priorities, different alignments with, yeah, well, Australia v. Worlds. Yeah, and I think that Seri's priority is the world and poverty has not been the world at all. She's willing to target Cass. She's so out on the world. See, Surreys Black Widow Brigade, poverty is 3.0 and they disagree yeah i think that's it all right so the episode we have our

challenge and it's another endurance challenge and so we had that very interesting thing i think that was in the endurance challenge i think that happened in episode four where it ends up being the last two people are cass and parvety and cass who is you know a challenge beast in her own right that uh who knew. I knew. You knew. And Parvety made this deal with her in episode four. It was like, hey, let's make a deal.

I never heard this deal before. Let's make a deal. She just come back from Dondy, so she's ready to deal. And the deal is that you let me win this one. I'll let you win the next endurance challenge. And so by what happenstance, we end up where the final two at the next endurance challenge ends up being cast and parvety. Yet, there's no mention of this deal, right?

Yeah, because she's trying to target cast. Also, I think you were onto something. The way she should have pitched it should have been like, I'll try, you know, at the top of the board, I'll just try a little less hard. Or I can like fully give up the challenge. You pick briefcases to decide how much of the challenge I'll give up and then we'll decide that's how she should have.

She's two weeks out of Donnie. I think that's much better. I just really, I was surprised. And maybe they did talk about it. didn't make the episode. So Parvety said to Jonathan, like, shut up, don't talk about it. Yeah, ex-nay, on the...

But, no, I just feel like that... And then it seemed like, okay, Parvety ends up, like, losing, but it did not seem like she dropped. And I don't know. Like, I think that this would be something, like, when you do get to do your interview with Cass, I would love to know from her,

like, was this ever discussed and were there any hard feelings? about like, hey, did poverty kind of go back on her deal? Well, to be fair, Cass only made the deal because she was, like, dropping. Anyway, I think. Like, she was out of it. Yeah, poverty doesn't do it because she's actively targeting Cass. Like, if you think about it, poor Cass, like, she's in the Black Widow Brigade 2.0.

She's been replaced as a drummer of this band by Ronnie. And I've enjoyed Cass, I have to say. Let me give her some flowers. Yeah. I mean, and she's telling the truth. She's getting her name thrown out there that she's targeting Poverty, which she's not. She's only been a very loyal member of this line. She tells us she doesn't really trust poverty, but like, she's right.

She's right, she's right, too, because she's about the tiger knows. She has the right read. I mean, Kirby is the one who's off. And I also like that tribal council when they were asking her about the language barrier. Is it easier, you know, or is it hard to lie in the other language? I forget what the exact question. She says, no, I can't lie in English. I wouldn't be able to do it, which I think she just did.

this. Well, it is like, and I think Tommy was answering this on his Q&A on Instagram. Like, the fact that they're doing this in their second language and it's not even like, so far South Africa is like multilingual. It might be a bit more split. Like this is literally all English and two people who are having to constantly do that. I cannot imagine how the difference is. Give them credit for that. Yeah. It's incredible. Okay. So there's so much going on in this episode where, you know, you have Lisa and Cass who are really feeling like, oh, okay, well, like, our friends just made new friends, and it really does feel like that we're on the outs, and so they are having to work through that situation.

You have, like, the Kirby, Parvety of it all, and this just relationship is, you know, I think if I'm Surrey, you know, very concerning to me of, like, all of a sudden, like, here comes Kirby and is talking about is, like, Parvety's number. I'm sure she's not, like, privy to all of these conversations, but Surrey can read the room. Yeah, well, I think that Kirby needed to, and I've thought about this a bit today. Like, I think that Kirby needed to maybe invest more in Surrey because Surrey is fine to go for Kirby. And obviously, Surrey is like very invested in the world. But I look at it now and I think, you know, Kirby doesn't have the leverage.

The Australians are on the back foot. I think she should be going to Pirby and Surrey if they're like a total investment and being like, what do you want? And if they want like Janine or Luke or that's what Surrey wants to do. like let Surrey kind of do that if poverty wants to leave lead Cass well Cass at that point is immune but if she wants to lead a world then that's a more kind of interesting separation between Surrey and poverty like I just feel like Kirby pushed a name that Surrey didn't want and then she became like a lateral down I think that there's some interesting parallels from

earlier in the season when you had where Shawnee comes in and Kirby and Sarah are supposedly a duo and then Shawnee comes in and Kirby is like oh shawnee yes great And Sarah, you know, is not the player that Surrey is and is like totally like turned off by this. I don't like this. This is not good. I don't like why is Shawnee here all of a sudden? And Surrey, I think, is probably like feeling similarly about Kirby. Although she does seem to have fond feelings for Kirby.

She said, I love you when she ends up voting for Kirby. But in the same way that, you know, Sarah knows that, like, this is not good for my duo that Shawnee is here. I think Surrey, like, innately knows that, okay, Kirby being so close to poverty, this is not good for my number one person. Yeah, and Sarah and Surrey, two names felt very similarly if you butcher one of them completely. So there's that parallel as well. I just think for me it's more like she's completely invested in the world. I think Surrey's ultimate investment is in Lisa, more than poverty. I think that, yeah, that's her investment.

And at that point, they're putting out Lisa, so she's going to come right back. I mean, we've just seen in Big Brother how Surrey wants to play the game of like, okay, I have this person who is, you know, like really thinks very highly of me. Talk on. Who's not going to turn on me. This is like my super loyal ally is not playing like a million different angles. It's like completely cards up with me. This is the type of person that I want to go to the end with.

does does seri want to sit in the final three with parvety is my question for yeah no yeah at some point she's going to have to I think fully cut poverty yeah I think seri's ideal final three is seri cass and Lisa

cas sure anyone who's not poverty yeah you stick with Lisa hope Lisa protects you with the world yeah that's her part and then she'll get down to the final four and you know that all they have to do is is Surrey and her and her like two other people

just will need to beat out Parvety in an immunity challenge Now again she does have Katz She has Cass who's there Who I think is Cass could be the one person Who does take down Parvety In the classic iconic Australian survivor

Seven and a half hour Torture of final immunity challenge Yeah Well I thought you were going to say that like So this is the best plan Ceres had yet Just being an immunity challenge is too kind to what usually happens to Surrey. I thought you were going to say, like,

no, it's whoever, like, Finland-style, like whoever loses the challenge is out by Surrey. Like, Surrey's going to get screwed a lot worse than what you're saying or someone just winning an immunity challenge. That's child's play for Surrey. I think she should take up poverty way earlier than four, by the way. Okay. Oh, well, let's talk through this vote and then...

Six, maybe six. Okay. I like six. I mean, she has so many more, she has so many advantages very soon. The sooner, the better, actually. Because she has a plurality of four now. She's got her in the world.

She needs to fully invest in that. that cut poverty, ASAP, I think. Well, Parvety and Kirby, you know, become very close in this episode. And Kirby is, like, wanting more assurances from Parvety. And I feel like there were so many red flags for Kirby in this episode that Parvety is not completely with you. And there were times when they were having, like, these one-on-ones. And Kirby is like, wait, you're nervous.

and Kirby is so good like I'm a little disappointed in Kirby because that I have only known her to be such a good player and I feel like yes that I just don't understand why she did what she did when there was not why she goes home

what why isn't why she goes home poverty or investing in poverty like I don't think that she threw her game away for poverty it was it was that she wanted to get she was like gung-ho

to get rid of Sarah Yes, that's different though And then And it was both things And it was like And then I'm going to put all Here, Parvety Here are all of my eggs

Put them in your glass jar And then be very safe with them And Parvety was just like Well, I don't see it that way I think when I look at like Why Kirby goes I think Parvety was like Wanting to be more well to Kobe than anyone else

Yeah And I'm sure we will hear but I think that poverty wanted to be more loyal for me. I think Kirby severed all her other relationships. I think that the Sarah relationship, this is the Sarah relationship. It's like when you're in like a bad relationship and it like just brings up the worst in both people,

you know what I mean? And it's like it was just not it. Now that the first two people are jury villa, there should be four more people there. Yeah, and I think that then she cuts into Australia, then she has less leverage. She's also such a huge threat. Like I kind of feel like the problems may be more at the root

of like the lack of balance that Kirby has in her game. Like it's so audacious, it's so wonderful to watch. And again, when it works, it really works. When it doesn't, she's somehow a bigger threat than even poverty. And she's destructed all of her relationships. And no one is protecting her. And even if poverty is, it's not enough. I feel like maybe it's at the root or maybe it's the fact that, you know,

the bad, she didn't manage Sarah well enough. And then that became untenable. And now she's lost numbers. Like, I think I see all of that leading to concerns. But I thought that Kirby was out the door, the episode before with or without poverty. And I honestly think

this was without poverty. I don't think that poverty is a big part of this. She's brought into a majority that are already voting for Kirby because she's such a huge threat and because enough people aren't connected to her or are against her.

Yeah, I think that you were saying this that it was also a misread from Kirby to not invest enough in Surrey where, you know, it's Kirby who's, you know, smitten with poverty, but Surrey is the person who's really, you know,

whipping the votes on from from that group so yeah it's like okay well uh she is sort of like putting all of her energy into parvety but it was seri who really was the person who was in charge of bringing in the numbers so re has the numbers for sure and i also think that again this running theme of the season is people giving the wrong names maybe due to a lack of knowledge of relationships possibly due to not knowing the seasons we see this rob bendele is like poverty and seri you vote for each other we see here that she's saying she wants to Marie basically to vote Lisa, Surrey doesn't want to do that. Well, I think from Kirby, it comes from a, if I had to know, I guess her motivation,

it's that she's like, okay, well, I have to now cut off their other options. And I think that you and Mike wrote about like, okay, she's going to vote out Eileen to make sure that Ferris, you know, stays with her like, okay, well now this is how I'm going to ensure that this new group that we put together now vote out your contingency plan. vote out your other plan B people and then I'll and then I'll feel really secure here because you don't have any other options now you're stuck with me yeah but the thing is she had so much power in Titans variable she could make moves like that and then recover or have people come to her whereas I feel like here I wish she she was playing with so much power because Kirby always

does but I wish she had been like I'm in a terrible spot like I had to take out Sarah because Sarah was really against me even if that's true and like your mileage may vary now I'm like completely relied on poverty and surrey who has the numbers what do they want and what i'm going to do is i'm just going to tie myself to them hope they see me as the most loyal which i honestly am i wolfed at the end with them many people will not yeah and hope that they go with me and she could have she could have maybe accomplished what she tried to accomplish and we saw shawnee do this and you know i think that there's valid questions to ask about like what's how's shawnee playing this but shawnee was able to who did not love sarah either okay let me vote to

I think out Sarah and then I'm going to then go back and solidify things with Australia. And I think that Kirby could have come home after that vote. I think that it was not. I mean, I think that there was, like, we've seen people like overcome bigger things than like, you know, that they were disappointed. They lost the numbers, but it wasn't like, I mean, I guess Luke played with Sarah, but I think that if, if. Kirby comes to Luke and Janine with, you know, with Shawnee and it's like, hey, look, yes, we voted out Sarah. We had our problems with Sarah, but now we're taking out Lisa. We're going after, we're going to, we're going to go after, we're going to get the world to split their votes, and we're coming in, and we're going to go over the top, Shannon, and we're going to take, and we're going to take out Lisa, and we're going to get their numbers down to four.

Like, I don't think Luke and Janine are like, no, we're not doing that, Kirby. Get out of here. You're dead to us. I mean, in Luke's, you know, episodic, I can't believe I just got blindsided confessional. He did seem very out on Kirby. Sure, but I've seen that a million times at the start of a Survivor episode, and then by the end of the episode, people are back together. Well, then it's like, okay, then Parvety is a real swing.

Then it's like, she wants to take out Lisa or Cass before Cass wins. And then Janine, we also saw kind of on Cass, so if she can kind of be in that same. vein where it's you really keep Shawnee, she has to keep Shawnee in line. I don't know what Shawnee's doing, but she can keep the Australians together with poverty. Parvety seems to really you know, be, you know, like, open to potentially voting out Lisa.

No, she was incredibly into it. Yeah. Like, I think, yeah, that was so that's like, that's a, you know, an option also, especially if you had especially if you had the numbers to go along with it. I think that part of the problem was sort of like, poverty knows Kirby doesn't have the numbers to do what she's

trying to do. But the thing is, Luke and Janine shouldn't do that Like Luke and Janine should be Fool me once, Shaymont, fool me a million, how many times in so few episodes is Kirby fooled them? You don't think that would be a good opportunity for them to go and work with Kirby

and take out Lisa and then get it back to 4-4? No, because 4-4 on what? Because Kirby is way more loyal to Surrey in poverty. And Shawnee to poverty. Shawnee, like, I don't know what Sean is. You know, I really thought that, not to say, you know, that Luke really had his finger on the pulse of things.

But I really thought coming into this episode, I thought it was going to be like, okay, why see where this is going? Luke and Janine, their play, they're going to go to Tommy and Cass and Lisa and say like, hey, but they just, they vote out, Surrey. Like, that was like. Well, that, yeah, I thought they were going to go for. He does float Kirby and then he says sorry. And in that moment, I think that Luke is like, I'm mad at Kirby, but if we can do a world over an Australian, like, why not? The four that won the last vote were, you know, Shawnee, Kirby, Parvety, and Surrey. It seemed like that there was a, there was a five that could have come together that could have attacked that somebody in that four from a more vulnerable spot.

To go after Surrey really didn't make sense, especially. I mean, I'm sure Luke doesn't know Lisa has, you know, this affinity. We watched the whole season. We did a penultimate. But did Lisa talk about like, you know who's my favorite player? She mentioned all right. Listen, listen, we have many questions for Luke. Luke doesn't remember.

Not in the top 100, okay? He doesn't remember. But what I'd love to talk about with you, and I don't know how much you strongly consider this, should Parvety have played the idol on Kirby? Because I had an interesting experience with this episode where I watched the episode and we're recording this on Wednesday morning. I watched most of the episode last night. and I was watching on my laptop, and then it was time to go to bed.

And I didn't want to say to Nicole, let me finish this tribal council. So I basically, I closed the laptop thinking that, okay, Parvety is going to play the idol on Kirby and that Parvety is going to save Kirby with her idol. And then I woke up this morning and watched it as like, no, that was not what happened. And I was like really thinking of like, I went to bed thinking like, this was kind of a crazy move. that Parvety is making, but it's very, you know, reminiscent of the double idol play at a similar point in, you know, Survivor Heroes vs. Villains. So they're like, hey, this is kind of vintage parvety. And then we see that not only does she not do that, she does vote for Kirby here in this

vote. So then I was thinking it through, wow, Surrey really has her numbers. Kirby does seem to be loyal to part, although she does say when she votes, like, you know, I'm trying to get, you know, Lisa, I need to take you out and then I can take out the big threats later. No, you told me the exit. She was like, right or die. Right or die. Really?

Like proper. Like, not like what they've been saying, right or die. So what do you think? Like, would that have been a good move for poverty to play, no, to play the idol? Well, I guess I had not thought that part of it through. Yeah. Surrey would almost definitely go home.

Which was like, I'm saying Zari should come for poverty immediately. I think idling out Surrey would be crazy. but even more than that even though Kirby I think is the best ally poverty can have I actually think Kirby is the best ally poverty can have she wants to sit at the end with poverty

I don't know that I can say anyone else does I don't think Sarita I just thought it was interesting and she talks about it like I'm Calisi like this is going to be my dragon of that I'm going to I think there's a Game of Thrones musical theme of the end there

I just I kind of thought it was pretty interesting of like normally that is not a move that I would say, like, yes, I, like, that is, like, do that. But in terms of, like, is there anybody other than Surrey? And, seri, we've talked about, like, does she even want to sit at the end with Parvety? Like, there was one person that was really, like, I've questioned it from Kirby's point of view of that, like, why did you think it was such a good idea to go all in on Parvety? But the fact that she was, like, I don't know, I could, I could kind of say.

it and then even if it came at the loss of Surrey, which we've established, does Surrey even want to sit at the end with Parvety? You know, what does the game look like then? Where like, where are Lisa and Cass and Tommy going? Are they going to team up with the Luke and Janine's of the world? Well, they're working with Janine right now. Luke and Janine's of Australia. Yeah.

And Luke and Janine aren't even working together. So, look, it's very cut up. That was weird too. I know you and Mike talked about that. Very confusing. I don't think so. Here's why. Kirby is voted out in a 6-21. She votes alone. And the two people who don't vote for her seemingly kind of would have. Like, everyone's against her. What is keeping Kirby do? Like, she wants to sit at the end of poverty. She's not going to have the opportunity to. Like, they're so out the door that I kind of think that poverty, poverty elevating her threat level even more. So by pulling a movie like that. But does Shawnee come back at that point? You know, Shawnee has to vote out Kirby, kind of. She's turning here. I thought Shawnee wanted to vote at Surrey. I mean, Luke originally comes in pitching Kirby

on a plan that's with Shawnee and she's not bringing Kirby into that plan so she's not like, it's not a great ally like it's not a great option. Like I think that I don't think Kobe has anyone right now. I don't think there's enough there to expend an idol. If I'm poverty, I'm thinking I need to play a defensive game. I came in as the biggest threat.

I have an idol and an idol sealer and a great capacity to win challenges. There's only a few more rounds even though we've been here just for just a few days. I don't need to elevate my threat level more to keep someone who's DOA at this point and I'd rather keep my trinkets and use them in other ways

that will gain me more. I think it's more that and like idly out Surrey does feel crazy but I think Kobe's a bad ally for her than Surrey and I think actually taking out Surrey who's such a major connective force on the board is maybe what she gains the most out of it but she can't be thinking like that. That is Surrey feels like we know the history

even though most of these players are right. I just more bring it up I think it's like a thought-provoking conversation of a what-if. And I know that you have been on the record of you can't question if something could ever be different or better. This is as good as it can possibly be. So you can't say that this would have been it would have been more exciting if Barbie, because this already is maximum. We've reached that we're already at 10. It doesn't go to 11.

In wait, yet. In wait, kind of. That's it. No, I'm just, I think for poverty, she's not going to go against all the numbers. You know, rather like regroup, have your trinkets and like work it out from there rather than just like dying on the stage.

I had not, you know, math it out that when I went to bed last night, I had that mathed out that where the ricochet was going to be going to that. I know you have. I know you have. I was like, wow, if this is how Surrey goes, I am out. I quit and I'm done. All right. He's going to win. Do we have the, I think, do we have the chizzy charts as well in the confessions?

Because we're talking about serian poverty. Okay, what do you have? I think we have some charts here. Okay. Let's see. What are we, what are we looking at? This is the confessional chart. Now, this has been a big topic of conversation. This is actually, and like the confessional charts are all a bit different. I've seen somewhere poverty is up to 51. This has are at 42 because it's based on like time and stuff. But poverty is 42 and the next highest is Lucan 22. David left with 15, which is as much or more than everyone but Luke and Parvety still in the game. I really feel like that

even the credits how they end on Parvety, I feel like that Parvety gets like four times more to like in the intro shots than anybody else does. It's almost like and it's like a TV show. It's like

and featuring Parvety. Yeah and but to be fair okay this is my expert opinion on the confection I know there's a lot of people new to Australian Survivors but this is what I want to say about it. just for the people that are listening to the podcast you want to just like give your the any highlights yeah so poverty's on 42 loop then on 22 shone 15 so re on 15 i think serri is well under edited for how much she's controlling things jeanine has jumped up to 12 with six in the last episode she was

kind of invisible before yeah cass is on eight yeah and Lisa also you know she's such a big episode one and i feel like that they've they've started hiding Lisa which i don't appreciate yeah well Lisa's off 1-8. See, Cass and Lisa being the same is interesting because Cass has a consistent like 10-1-4-20. And to me, that's fine compared to Lisa 6-0-0-0-200-2-0. Like, to me, that's not a winning edit, but Cass could still have a winning edit.

That's Australian Survivor. It's the nature of it. And Tommy on 4, it's not looking great for Tommy. But my thing with Parvity's edit, which is so OTT. You can see the whole run-dard. No, I don't. These are from Carl Darrett, by the way. And he's got the percentages, which I love.

Parvite is 141% over-edited. Luca 26 and everyone else still in the game on a negative. So does this mean that poverty wins? Here's how I feel about the Australian Survivor Edit. If Parvety is going to win, this is what her edit looks like. But if poverty is also going to lose at the end, this is what her edit looks like. When the biggest character wins, we get this OTT edit. We get it with Ferris.

We get it with Miles. But when George loses to Liz, George gets this edit. So I don't think it's necessarily, I mean, it's looking good, to be honest. But like, it's not necessarily a winner's edit. She's someone who has two advantages. She's the biggest character. She's phenomenal TV. She dropped a James Clement referenceless week, Bob.

Yeah. In 2025, an Australian Survivor is going to really show you the stars and then not show you anything else. And she's such good TV. I mean, I think other people, like, we want to see a bit of other people as well. Morcery, maybe. But, yeah, I think that if you were to tell me poverty stats at this point in the season and that she's going to make at least final eight, if not further.

Yeah. I would think this is her edit win or lose. And then just looking ahead to next week. Oh, actually, we have another chart, the Chizzy chart. Okay. The Chizzy charts, I just thought we remember to donate to the Chizzy Raffle if you care. Look at that. Look at three fields on 16, right at the top there with all the numbers, as we said.

Lisa on 11, poverty is on nine, and then Shawnee eight, Janine, seven, Kirby left on seven. Luke is on six. Cass is on six. And Tommy's still waiting for a point that I desperately want to give him. So anything stand down to you here? He didn't get one chisbee point. I kind of wanted to.

I kind of wanted to because I love him. Anything stand? Does this feel right to you? Anyone over or under confessional style? Over edited? Underedited? Tivis too much. I mean, I think it's fine.

I mean, basically like. Do you really feel like she should be really dominating there for you? Or am I biased? I mean, I think that Surrey is in a pretty good spot coming out of that last vote. I think that Saria is set up pretty well and nothing really jumps out

to me. I feel like Cass does seem a little low. I feel like that she's also like right there and potentially like, you know, could win, you know, an immunity in the right spot or going on an immunity run. And so I thought Janine did have a good episode this last time out and it's fine. Okay. Thank you so much.

Donate if anyone wants to add their points to the Chivy Charts. I just feel like, yeah, Surrey is the connector to everything right now. She's the conduit. And I don't really disagree with anything she's done so far. So we'll see if it keeps going like that. Yeah. Looking ahead to next week, where do you feel like this is going? I don't know.

like how does it like who's the next person that gets voted out um maybe maybe like a luke but luke has an idol i feel like what is a idol stealer yeah but does she know well that's the thing is about the idol seer sometimes she just knows stuff you can play it like a nullifier yeah you can play it like a nullifier you take the idol and even if he doesn't have an idol you know he well that mean that would kind of be kind of be reducing its impact but then he can definitely go home um i mean it kind of feels like it's going to be a crazy episode i didn't really watch the next time on but, like, it feels like poverty feels maybe like she's under fire. Maybe she starts coming out fighting.

Poverty's lost a lot of agencies, but how does she respond? Yeah, but so the U.S., I'm sorry, the, the world team, they have what? They have five. Yeah. And then it's only. So could they potentially, like, split on them? Is Shani going to go down with the ship there? or does she maybe come home to Parvety?

Yeah, I mean, like, Shawnee doesn't have a lot going on right now. Like, Shawnee kind of has Luke. Yeah. I wonder if Shawnee could, like, come over and then they do a 3-3 split on Luke or Janine. Well, at the end of the day, Janie just worked with Surrey. And Shawnee just voted for Surrey. And Luke also kind of half-voted for Surrey. So if I'm Surrey and I have those numbers, I might be looking at a Shawnee.

Yeah, I feel like it looks bad for Luke. wonder if there's some sort of like vote split they could do to prevent against him potentially playing his idol or do they sort of say like hey like listen there has to be an idol from that side who like would have found that idol i don't think you know uh you know was it jenine she's found an idol she's found it for the other tribe yeah you know lisa's gonna say i know that luke he's got he probably has an idol yeah but johnny finds idols jeanine finds idols Okay. Also, I wanted to correct something that I said.

Yes, what is it? I said, I mean, Shawnee wasn't the first person to do. So, Sonny made a much bigger mistake. She said she was the first person to make the merge four times, which was not true.

I was like, wait, how is that? I mean, like, Parvety just made the merge for the fourth time. And, and Ozzie already did.

Why do they let people be wrong and leave it in the episode? Why don't they, they don't know. The production should also Google that. I mean, chat GPT could tell you that. That's true.

That's true. They think it's right. That has said that I made the merge four times. So. Chat TPT probably says I made the merge four times. I mean, I don't think we should be going by AI, but they could have Googled it. They can just ask me these things. But then I would be like, why?

All right. But I was going to say the thing I have to correct is that I said, but no, but to be fair, Ozzie was voted out and went to redemption on purpose. Maybe that's it. But then I remember Shawnee went to exile. So it was wrong. Not right. Okay.

Please be better. Australian survivor of fact checkers. Okay. Shannon, what a great conversation. So much fun to talk about everything. It was a, honestly, it was a great week to talk about. And looking forward to one more full week and then the big finale coming up the week after that. Of course, you could check out all of Shannon Gus's incredible coverage, which will kick back off on Sunday night in Australia and Sunday Day here in the U.S. when Shannon and Shepard. We'll talk about episode several. Yes. We'll have. Recaps, ex-interviews, this show. And we're doing something else next week as well.

We're doing a patron call-in show. Yeah. Like I do during the Survivor U.S. seasons and during Big Brother. Yeah. So that'll be Tuesday night, ET, at about 8 p.m., which is 10 a.m. Wednesday in Australia, if you want to call in for the patrons, we'll have seen all but one episode. We'll be talking about the finale.

So right after Chappelle and I get done with the final. Slop. Shannon will take patron questions about the all of week three. And then next Wednesday, I will join Shannon once again to talk about it all. Okay. Shannon, anything else going on for you? No, that's it. I mean, what else could be going on? That's my life. Okay. I'm loving it. I'm having a great time. Thank you. So much. I really have enjoyed. I always read the comments from the, although last week I saw comments that said, wow, they said I was being mean to you on the podcast. I don't think so Like I didn't get that

You look very protective over me Which I actually I really appreciate But Rob's not the Should not be the target of that I are At all The other podcasters Oh yeah When you come for them

I'm joking They're all great All of them There are a lot of people You can come for Don't come for them though Yeah I love to have a

Good Natured Discussion with you About what's going on They're gonna be so mad This episode When you said You wanted Tommy to die And when you were like

Oh So nothing can be better Come for Rob, actually. I'll stand by that, I think that, like, things could always be, things could always be worse, too. It could be a lot worse. But you can't do that this is like, no, optimal, you cannot change one thing. It was, this is absolutely, this has been a perfect season and nothing could be even more interesting than what has already happened. I have few notes.

The notes I have to do with Tony, the merge episode, I think was a perfect episode of TV. Like, I'm not looking. You can say this has been Okay, all right All right Sam's giving the wrap up sign So we gotta move We gotta go

Busy day on here on Wednesday But thank you so much Thank you so much Take care Bye