RHAP: We Know Survivor - Rob Reacts to AU v World Week 3

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Rob Cesternino and Shannon Guss dive deep into week three of Australian Survivor: Australia V World, analyzing the game-changing moves that have set the stage for an explosive finale. As the competition intensifies, the duo dissects Parvati's masterful gameplay, Luke's puzzling decisions, and the shifting alliances that have kept viewers on the edge of their seats.

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Yeah. That happened. We did that. Nine episodes. No joke. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for the people who are keeping up, good job. You know, I think everyone's done very well. And if you're not keeping up, why are you here? I did. I'd never check the YouTube comments, but I was sharing the YouTube video the other day. And I saw one comment that was like, ugh, I keep getting spoiled.

I'm like, why are you in the recap? Like, we couldn't make it. We couldn't try hard enough to spoil people. Even on the edge of interview, I feel like you do a really good job of telling people not to be here. And I understand people get spoiled by the thumbnail or whatever. You don't do that. I know, I know we haven't done that. But, look, there's all sorts of reasons why, like, it's a debate that we have all across R. HP of how do we bring you the latest and greatest and stay ahead of, like, anything else that you might check out, but also keep you from being spoiled.

If you haven't seen it, it's a whole thing. But that's not what we're here to discuss when we have so much Australian Survivor, 3. big episodes this week as we're in really the end game and I have so much I want to break down and go over with you. How are you feeling? I feel good. I feel like you got what you wanted last week, what you argued you wanted. You wanted David in the game. We saw David's Alliance kind of derail the engines. You get as boring as it would be. I would be really remiss if I didn't bring up once again. If David was still in the game, he'd be running it. How more interesting would this be of David has to now choose between his alliance and Parvety?

That would be, I think, very compelling. Although you said you made the case last week of it's already as good as it can be, Rob. It cannot get, it doesn't go to 11. It's already the best possible thing it can be. This week floated down a little bit. But this week floated down by the ghost of David alliance with Luke, Janine, and Parvety locking in. Yeah. And David would just be glued to that.

Well, and it would be worse. You know, and I have listened to some of your exit interviews. I haven't listened to all of your podcast. Now, is that confirmed that do we know, like, does David have, like, thumbprints on this where, because to me, the biggest question of the week is why does Parvety want to work with Luke? What? No.

The biggest question of the week is why does Luke want to work with Parvety. Either way. Like, I know. It doesn't make any sense. It's like, I can explain the poverty one to you. The poverty one is she's going to beat Luke and he's carrying her to the. end. So like it's the most perfect route to the end ever. Luke is a jury goat for you? Yes. Anyone's a jury goat to poverty. Anyone who will

sit at the end with poverty, she has two people willing to take her to the final four challenge that she will win. Yeah. Who maybe got a good word in from David. I mean, poverty has played this flawlessly. Why does Luke want to sit next to poverty? Well, I'd love to, let's talk this through in chronological order because I feel like if we bounce around too much, I feel like that will miss some things. But overall, how are you feeling going into the finale? I feel like Poverty Shallow is playing, like, one of the great games in Global Survivor history. It seems like no one can beat her. And I don't, like, I even feel like Surrey is drawing dead.

I feel like Surrey's only move is to get rid of Parvety. And I feel like that that got cut off this week. And I feel like that Surrey is playing a game. I don't see how Surrey could win this season. Yeah, it's really interesting. I was thinking about winners at war when you have competition of this caliber. You have all winners. you have like all of these global icons

and people are not going to play as well as they did their first few games were in newbie seasons because the competition is tougher. In winners at war, who played as good or a better game than their first winning season or in their first seasons? Todi by far, right?

That's like best game ever. I think Sophie was great. I think Michelle's was better. Everyone else probably worse, right? Tony rises to the occasion to play his best game when everyone else is, under. Pavri is maybe playing her best game and it's a conversation, which is such a credit to her because the bar is so high. Who else can say that? Kirby's kind of there. I think Cass has something she's doing better than the first time. Everyone else is kind of playing their worst game. But like, you know, so when you're going to rise above like that, you're going to dominate. And that's what Pardy's doing. And it's so impressive. Yeah. All right. Well, why don't we go back to where this week started? And I'd love to talk through this.

wild episode, which ends up being the double tribal council and coming into the week that we start off with, uh, what is it? We come in with eight and it's five people from the world tribe and just Luke and Shawnee and Janine from the, uh, team Australia. I really felt like that I want to start with Shawnee who, I watched your exit interview with her and it seemed that she did have more going on. I feel like it was a quiet season for Shawnee. And I don't know for whatever reason that the edit didn't choose to show so much about her.

But I felt like that, I mean, go back to the first episode where it's like, we've got a person on the runway. It's like they built up like, okay, we've got Shawnee back. And then they kind of did nothing with her over the course of the season. she was very quiet all the way through. And then, you know, on the final episode, you know, she was very present. But I felt like that overall, she really was, had a quiet run. Yeah, run away.

They dragged her away from her kid just to drop her storyline. And then if you listen to the ex-interview, which I highly recommend, like, she was, Seany's instincts are so good. Like, she was thinking it all through, even like the flip that wasn't explained on Surrey. Like, that made sense on the way she was trying to turn and work with internationals. Like, she was actually really seeing her jury chances, which she was. is something I've criticized that the other players are not doing. And they just kind of dropped it.

I don't know if they didn't know how to tell that story, but she explains a lot in like a 10-minute exit interview. So I recommend that. Yeah. Yeah, because I thought maybe from watching the episodes, I was like, okay, maybe she's a little checked out. Maybe she doesn't really want to be there. But then I listened to your exit interview.

And I thought, no, I think that she was, really, she had a plan. She was doing things that made sense. And I can't say that about everybody here. And I just really feel like that they hit her. Maybe I think they just don't know how to tell the story that's not around like the winning story or the end game story. It's going to be about this final four coming together

and she gets really like pushed away from that. Like you have the worlds who implode. You have this final four and then you have Shawnee and they're like, we don't have time. We have all the time in the world, but we don't have time for that. So I just don't think maybe they didn't know how to tell that story of what she was trying to do quite individually.

But it was definitely a missed opportunity. But one of the things that I thought was so interesting from the exit interviews was that Tommy and Lisa said they didn't go into that tribal council voting for poverty because obviously this flip on poverty is such a big part of it

and Tommy really wanted it to happen but Cass and Lisa you know Lisa's like so indignant like I was trying to save you and she actually she actually was like as verified by Tommy and Lisa in the ex interviews and yeah

and this is what implodes the whole world and they weren't even going to do it I thought that was such an interesting note from the exit but yeah what did you think? Yeah well let's go through all of that. So just to set the stage coming into this week where

then I did not recall this, but apparently Cass had a scroll from something where she got to go. What was it? She won immunity. It was also... I was concerned with the spot. It's like, okay. Remember in the last episode you won something?

Okay, well, you're going on a reward in this episode because we don't have enough time to fit in the reward in the episode you won it on. And so she went on the spa reward and this was fun. And she ends up taking with her, what, Parvety and Surrey and Tommy to go on the reward. And it felt like, okay, are they leaving Lisa back here to babysit? And Cass, I thought, does a really good job of trying to lock back in with the World Alliance

after there was some friction at the start of it when Surrey and Parvety are voting with Shawnee and Kirby to take out Sarah. But ultimately, it seems like that the world is back on the same page. but is this where Janine is planting seeds in this episode or was that one in the previous episode? Yeah, Kirby, like the Kirby episode was more with Janine, but I think we see

that through that. All right, so this is like the healing from that. And so it seems like, okay, we're all back on the same page and everything is going good and ultimately Tommy from Finland. He's here, he wins. How great it's Tommy. I like that he's gone full third person of

Tommy from Finland. I don't usually like that, but I will allow it here. Yeah. And so he ends up winning immunity, but he says that he has to make a big move. He wants to take out poverty. And, you know, you certainly can understand why that's the case. And I feel like that his chances are definitely improved without poverty in the picture, where now, you know, is Surrey, you know, is really has to come home to the other, you know, Lisa and Cass and Tommy. So I definitely can understand the instinct there, but it seemed like that he did not have the votes to do this, right? Yeah, I mean, firstly, I've said it, you know,

I'd rather go down in a blaze of glory swinging than be carried to the end 20 times out of 10. And the two choices in the season were seemingly too early or never. So I definitely, I backed home me even more. I gave him a memorial chizzy point and it should have been two. That's all I've come away from that thinking is it should have been two memorial chizzy points instead of one. But, yeah, I mean, I think the issue.

was homie if he couldn't convince even one person to do it, not one person. Yeah. So that's the issue. So that's, and that's poverty is missed in her, like, the way she's insulated and her relationships and everything. It's so good. Yeah. And the mist is a hard thing to talk about, I think, on the podcast where, you know, we can,

like, break down the moves and the strategy. But I, and, like, I'm finding, especially with this season, I think it's hard to just, like, explain away because I think that like what we do in terms of this thing of ours is a lot of analysis of like this was the decision that this person made and then when people make moves that are I guess illogical or don't necessarily make sense and we just have to go with like do sex machina of like but what this person just like ris them and yeah you can't really see it on television and or maybe you can but we just have to you know that's hard to explain i did have a psychological theory this week yeah um more in the middle episode but it was about like

why all of these people are willing to go to the end with poverty and i felt like it was because all of those people shoney seemed like she would take out poverty in the exit but i thought like the kirby's luke jeanine surrey possibly shonny had all made it so far but had never sat at the end and were all going to win their other seasons probably prior to this. So they just have it in their mind that they just have to get to the end with anyone rather than seeing like poverty is the biggest threat in this season. Like I don't think they can recalibrate for this season because their internal narrative for years has always been if I get to the end I win.

So I just need to like give my pitch, which we kind of hear Surrey saying as well. Yeah, I think that that's definitely plausible. I think also something and Lisa alluded to this in her exit interview where she said that, But the thing you don't understand is, like, in this format, you just don't have that much time. And I think that maybe that the shorter sprint format, I think, plays a little bit more in favor of, you know, the bigger names are able to sort of like just a little bit more just people are afraid of them. Whereas if there was more time, you wonder if that maybe people would be able to talk through the things a little bit more. like, listen, okay, let's just like work this out. It's in my best interest.

It's in your best interest where that there would be a little bit more time to like, how do we attack this thing as opposed to like how are we getting just like pushed around by the person? I don't mean like literally, but I mean just like the person who has the advantages and has the idols. Like it seems all very scary. But if there was more time, I think that the other players might be able to better attack that. Well, firstly, like, obviously, it's a skill of the people who've used it well, like that

that has separated them out to their credit. But also, I don't know how much grace I can give it, because it seems so easy. How much time do you need to think take out the biggest threat? Like, it's not that complicated. It's not some, like, 40 chess move. You would think, you would think, but you think that, like, Luke and Janine are going to, like, days later be like, oh, like, there it is. Like, I just, I don't know why you need days. Okay, well, we're not there yet. Well, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's Let's get there. Okay.

So now you spoke with Lisa and I watched your exit interview with Lisa. Can you just explain to me? And the thing that, and you brought it up in the exit interview, the thing that I don't quite understand is Lisa's conversation with Luke, which ends up being probably the biggest moment of the week because it really, you know, the die is cast in this whole direction of this series of unfortunate events for Lisa and Tommy in Cass because. of all of this, that do you, could you just walk me through, you know, what Lisa's trying to do there?

I think, I guess she's giving a decoy name. I don't know why it was so much specifics. Like the decoy name that I'm not even voting for. But Tommy is verifying that they weren't voting for poverty. So I guess she said she was kind of just like left alone with them and was like, poverty? Like, let's discuss like the third option, right? So can't say I'm voting for you, which she was.

So I guess that was it. They weren't meant to give a decoyed aim. They specifically said, don't give them an aim. So you can't even have used it as an excuse, and it's an excuse that seems to have been true. Because I thought that Luke does a lot of things well in this episode. And I think I have a lot of questions about the other parts of Luke's game throughout the week. But I really felt like that this was his best episode.

Well, the first like 80%. I didn't think taking out Tommy was good. Well, okay, sure. We'll get to, okay. So the first foot was good. Right. Because they're going to go into. this tribal council where

the world has five and there's only three people from the Australian team. Also, Luke comes into it with his idol, which he doesn't really even contemplate using here and it's a miracle that he gets this far. He's been at the bottom for so much of this. He's talked about how he's voted

wrong so many times, but somehow he has this secret idol that he still has to this point here, the final aid, and he set up really well at this point. And at the tribal council, it really all starts to unravel where the name on the minds of the world players, they're going for Shawnee. That's the plan.

Surrey doesn't want Shawnee around. I think Surrey was a little bit spooked by that Parvitey, you know, was with Kirby and Shawnee and was so quick to jump over there. So I think it's very beneficial for Surrey to take out one of Parvite's other options, potentially to go with Shawnee. But can you just walk me through? How does this begin to unravel at this travel council? Luke just drops the bomb that Lisa had been mentioning that they want to vote out

Parvety. We see Parv's read, Parv's gut, Parv's seeing them talk, which is like the first thing. And then I think, yeah, the Australians light a fuse on that bomb and almost a Dondy bomb, probably. And I do wonder, and I really want to know, because Lisa said that when they were talking about Luke or Shawnee, she felt like poverty was protecting Luke. Like how much is there that synergy to be like that they will run back to it, that there will be that trust because of David. I'm telling you his fingerprints.

Well, yeah, that's a really good question. And I had like, as the week went on where there was more and more conversation between Parvety and Luke, I was really thinking about like, because we know that if David was so far down the road to tell Parvety, hey, you know who I really want to work with? Rob Bentelay. Like I have to feel like that like nine conversations earlier. was David saying like Luke I'm telling you Luke is good Luke is my guy and so right so I feel like that there would probably be like earlier conversations if they got to Rob Bentley

yeah how much time were they at like the Dondy Airport just like well and I think like by the time they got to Rob Bentley you could probably like montage it over because I guess my first question I said I thought that Luke does a really good job as sort of like dismantling this alliance was like why don't like I understand like the idea that there was like they felt insulted of like wait you tell us a name like do you know who we are you tell us a name right before tribal council and it's like that they were all insulted but why don't they want even if just Tommy is going to write down Parvite's name and there's three of them that's one or not oh yeah it's on eight um yeah like on a revo Lisa or Cass wouldn't flip over

and vote out Parvety. Yeah, but also, this was fine at eight. Like, it's fine to get into the three to two two. And I know Parvety then is going to take out, is going to take out her idol at this tribal council. Hey, I'm either going to play it for me or Surrey.

But she hasn't done that yet. Like the fact that they, that they chose to let's, let me blow this up and take out, you know, try to, you know, ultimately try to get Lisa out here at this tribal council and out her.

But you had a chance. to blindside the biggest fish, it seems to me like that that would have been even a more optimal way to go. I don't know that that's more optimal. Tommy had spoken to them. The world's hadn't spoke to them. They're very cagey about that.

Tommy isn't voting for poverty at that point. So they actually don't have the numbers. So they sniff out that they, like, if they do nothing coming to that tribal council, like, Shawnee probably is going home. So they sniff out correctly that it is at this point, a decoy or it's not happening. They blow it up.

And also, if you take it, out poverty. Look, always take up poverty earlier rather than late, but it's possible then Surrey comes back with the world. I'm not always take up poverty, for sure. Like, I love the Tommy tried it. I don't, I definitely, definitely then or ever, Luke. But, but I do think that like they then technically come back to a seven where they're the three with the two, two and the worlds are really fractured and poverty's pulling Surrey away from whoever's left of the internationals. And they can really, you would think, pivot the differences they did, they actually didn't pivot at all. They didn't pivot. So, so. But I thought this was great.

I mean, I feel like it doesn't really take, you know, this great vision to be able to see, okay, well, Tommy is probably, you know, on the bottom of, like, this world group. And I don't know why that that wasn't like the first thought for Luke and Shawnee and Janine was to not try to get, hey, Tommy, do you think that the four women are going to take you to the final three? And maybe Tommy's like, maybe they're going to rock. Sure, maybe Tommy's like, hey, I'll. win out. I'll win immunities. Don't worry. He doesn't want to go with them. He does want to talk, you know. He wants to target them. Like you're preaching to the choir.

But anyway, okay. So that's, but they end up going in this different direction. And then we have this very live tribal council where everything is falling apart and Parvety is taking out her idol. And Luke I thought does a really good

job here of also. Then he is doing some gaslighting here where then he tries to say also by the way that at the last vote when it was surrey that was lisa's idea yeah well not like no one would possibly be the worst live all time but like they were on that when it was correct me if i'm wrong that was luke luke comes to them with that name so i thought that was very quick from luke to be able to then also like and as seri says like as as she puts it from her mom is there a ring of truth to that yeah my mother always said although

But Janine is in his ear, like, tell him, tell him what they did, Luke. So I think she's kind of like the mastermind behind some of those lives, which might come back to Bido, because I think Janine is in the shadow, like, you should do that. But then Luke does it. So like at a final tribal council, I don't know if she's getting the credit for some of those things, but they both did very well here. Yeah. Okay.

So we get now the live tribal council. Everything is coming up. And so I thought this was really wild that then, you know, Parvite and Surrey go to have their huddle and then like Luke joins them. Luke is in their huddle when you know I just thought that coming into this merge where the first thing that we have at the auction

is Luke ends up getting the scroll and he gets to send somebody to go be sent away from the auction and he ends up choosing poverty and there's that really great moment where poverty's like I'm going to count down Luke you're making a mistake

five four that if there was, though, that... A dondy. Yeah, I just, I don't understand... Was it a fake? Was it a fake? Did they come and say they were going to pretend to fight? Did Luke do that? And you would know better than as a Luke observer for many years. Like, is that

in his nature to, okay, that I actually do want to work with Parvety, but I'll throw everybody off the scent by publicly making a show of I'm going to send her a way. I'm going to send her a way. This felt so real to me. Like, if they were, if this was they, if this was an act, Bravo.

Give him, give him an egot. Maybe they weren't on the same page where maybe he thought like, okay, I'm going to throw people off, but then part was like, Luke, what are you doing? Don't do this. This is dumb. We have had that question from a lot of people this week about like,

if the Dondy fingerprints are all over this, was it an act? My thought is he's not originally thinking of David's allies coming into this. He is Australia strong. He does send Parvety as a gut instinct, but they come back from it better because of that connection. If it's an act on 10 out of 10, like, genuinely, I'm impressed. Well, the only thing is that Parvety really made it seem like that after that point, and she's like, Luke, you mess with the wrong person, but she doesn't ever, like, seem to

want to get her pound the flesh back from him. He never killed him as advertised. He said we could go on a walk and leave the machete, and she said, it's fine, I can kill you with my bare hands. No bare hands were to be seen. None at all. Yeah, I don't know, maybe unexplained. Maybe in your deep dives, you'll be able to get to the bottom of that. It's a question. Yeah.

It's a question. Like, where did this alliance come from? Where did this alliance come from? How much is David a part of it? And when did it start? Okay. But maybe they wouldn't even let us know because it feels pregamey. But damn, I want to know so bad.

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and I don't know if this was inadvertent or you know really just she just wanted to here's the whole truth but it ends up coming out that it's Tommy kind of gets thrown under the bus here yeah and wouldn't you if it comes out that like Lisa and Cass didn't want to do that

and Tommy was the only one doing it and it's like now top you're doing the whole game and he said in the exit that they still like they still talk to him about that so it kind of does feel fair even though she clearly feels bad about it later. Yeah. And then it comes back where, all right,

it's looking maybe not so good for Tommy after Lisa's conversation for poverty, but that there's still a thought of everybody is saying like, well, maybe we should just go for Lisa. Yeah. And Cass was such a good move from poverty. This was so good. Like Cass is the only endurance threat

who was taking anything from poverty at the final four. Okay. And so it comes out. Okay, so we're going to basically get down to vote here. I'm just looking at my notes. And so Parvite's advantage. I feel like that of the many things this week, I have so many strong feelings about this idol stealer that I hate so much.

What? No, it's a bluff. You can't use it. You know that, right? Yes. I, you know what? People who are angry about it But

And this is I'm going to get into Man one of the many things that I hate about all this And you hate Yes I do Because first off I'm not to be so angry

I don't even know why Why are you going to be angry What do you hate? Okay what do you hate? What do you? First of I I don't like this thing as like even a device

I don't I don't like that players are allowed to like it seemed like okay here's a new thing that nobody knows about and we complain about this this was very new era coded

to me of here's the thing in the game literally knowledge is power yes here's the thing in the game that nobody knew like could have been a thing they have not seen

the other season of Australian survivor I as a viewer who did not see that did not know that this was a wait part Harvardy is actually doing something that she's not allowed to do. And then she is playing an advantage in a way that's not how it's actually supposed to be played. I feel like, and again, I want to be fair about this because also I didn't love in Cagiaon, and I think I've been consistent about this, that Tony is able to play his God idol, or tell people that his idol works at 4 when it really expired at 5.

and that was one of Tony's big moves to get past that. So I want to just be fair. I don't like this across... So it takes so consistently bad across decades. So this is one thing. Let me... Well, let me...

And then please rebuttal. I can't wait. I just... I don't love that players are able to, like, use, like, uh, like... I guess I don't like that there's, like, the rules are unclear for all. all the players of what exists

and what doesn't exist in the game. And I know it is what it is. That Survivor baby, but I just feel like if there is this thing in the game, the players should know about its existence and know how it works.

And you shouldn't be able to use a new power that the players don't know about in a way that isn't how the power is even actually allowed to be used and just say you're allowed to do that. Okay, rebuttal.

If she had actually just used the idol stealer, that is worse to me. Like not knowing that you can have your idol stolen, fairly telling people about your idol like poverty herself does because that is a fine way to play idols and like create connections and then having it stolen because you don't know there are idol stealers in the game and there's no precedent, that sucks more to me than this. You say they don't know the rules. Ask for the parchment. She's reading it right in front of you.

one can make up anything. She's not actually playing it. She's bluffing with it. Tony used that. Ask him to verify. Like the same way when someone has a fake idol, ask to see the parchment. Rob Bentlee did this in Island of Secrets, but he didn't have an advantage that he, you know, changed the rules of. He made it up completely. He went to the Island of Secrets. He came back. I said, I have a vote verifier. I'll be able to see how two people vote. And it kept people in line because they were so scared. That advantage. doesn't exist, it's never existed. Anyone at any time can say, I have an idol stealer and I can take your idol, don't play it, and they could literally have treemail. Like, it was the power of the

bluff that actually makes it less unfair. And the worst part about this is that Cass is fighting the language barrier. I do think that that part sucks. But for me, bluffing with it or Tony bluffing with it, you can ask to see the parchment. If poverty won't give you the parchment, call the bluff. You know, why are you being so? Then show it to me. So for me, the bluff actually makes it more fair. She's explaining the thing. Let's get on the same page and meet her there rather than, oh, you have an idol and I've stolen it and you couldn't possibly know that I have knowledge of power and idol sealer, which I like when people know the rules. But I think at the point where you're bluffing things, don't just believe it.

If someone comes up to you with Cashman and says, I can take your idol, give it to me. Like, don't just hand it over. Don't do that. Anyone can say that at any point. Yeah. In Big Brother, they do have a rule, which they don't always. always in force, but they have a rule of, you're not allowed to use production as a strategy. And I do feel like that I would like to be able to know, like, if I was in this situation,

that, you know, somebody wouldn't be able to just make, you know, make something up. You have good. Brilliant. I just don't love it. And as a viewer, to have it where I don't know that Parvety is bluffing the power of this until the next episode I also feel like is less than ideal.

I don't know how necessarily you relay that information to me but I was more mad about it when it happened. I'm like, wait, how is this even fair of that she's allowed to just wait, hold on, nobody's allowed to play an idol

because I'll steal your idol if you take it out. Well, how do I ever play my idol if you can just take it from me? So I did get in the next episode that is more, I understand how the

thing is played but also but bad job especially on Cass where you know credit to Parvety for doing it I don't know if I love that she's allowed to do that

credit to Parvety for what she did and really discredit to Cass for then when she stands up to play her idol part of the like no you can't

I got the thing you got the thing you can't play that model and then she's gonna play for Lisa and part's like oh okay that's fine then yeah If you're going to play it for Lisa, then fine.

Yeah, yeah. Then I won't steal it. But did you vote for Lisa? Yes, but I'll still let you negate my vote. I think, I mean, I never had, obviously, like, I watched Miles play it. I was very sure it was the same. And I knew that poverty wouldn't act like that if she could actually steal the idol. She would steal the idol.

So I never felt angry at it. Even I went back and even with all of that checked to make sure, you know, on the 1% that she, that she couldn't play it then. But I just think people could use this more. Like, how far is it from a. fake idol. You can make up an idol with fake powers at any time. Let people call your bluff.

Like it's a game of lying in deception and bluffing. I think to me it's like the fabric of the game. I just, I think it's a slippery slope where, you know, that we like are, you know, injecting new powers into the game. It's just like it's if as a, and I think you and I will both say as as purest of the game, I don't love that we just like inject new things into the game that players don't know about new powers and I know this is always part of the part of thing

and you know the monster and all that stuff but I think it's the like to me this is like the things about Survivor that we like the least you know yes yes her just playing a trinkered that no one knows about and getting one over on Cass who has shared her idol in that way to say make a connection

which he didn't do but in this reality that's playing a trinket that no one else knows about I'm not I don't love the trinket playing and I don't love the new trinkets that to me is what I don't love what I love is creative thinking

lying, thinking on your feet bluffing to me like you know making up a vote verified varnish and that people don't ask to see and it keeps them in line is one of the best moves of all time Tony you know Tony having the guard idol

is nothing to me compared to scaring people with it and using it to enforce his power. It's to me that is not the same thing. I'll give you another example of something I didn't like with this where even like when idols expire, but they're still in the game and you could use them as a fake idol.

Ask you the parchment. Like in Survivor H-H-H that I think that Ryan sent Chrissy a one tribal council idol that she had. and then but then it's still in the game and then at the final five they're like trying to bluff ben with a real idol but it's actually expired but it doesn't like have like an expiration date on the idol i mean it's just like this point where like i need to see all your paperwork uh bring your folder to me and how in what world is this good a good game or good television of like that i have to watch people go through paperwork with highlighters and try to like okay i have

read the fine print on this and now the game can continue it's not even that fine though it's the fact that cast doesn't say let me see that she's literally holding it and she's like yeah um yeah you make a good point that the parveny's thing is literally a piece of paper that has the rules on it so it's not like that it's like a golden duck that she has brought out that says that i will still your idol so yes um i just don't know like it gets into like uh the trojan non transferable of all of like that we have to hold on let me see that paper like what are we even doing at tribal councils like in the heat of a live tribal council it's like I'm going to need to see the paper here and look through this yeah I mean I look I like the expiring idols less but again for me

that's yeah I mean I think you should always ask to see the partner like that's more finicky because it's like is it and I like all of these things like nothing defines them from each other and I do like more of a defined game but I think yeah bluffing around that if people don't catch you out like that's on you and the thing about like the the non transferable advantage was seri was trying to you know play it now it becomes like a trinket in the game but anyone can say anything at any time if they're not going up to jlp to say i'm playing this be like play it yeah let me you know let me if you won't show it to me like you're clearly lying like there was so many ways to catch you out but they just didn't think as fast okay well that's the fabric of the game

it's just i i don't like knowledge's power uh you know i i i don't love this i think it's a little bit more fair if you have to play this before a tribal council or at least before the votes are cast kind of like the idle nullifier you know. Yeah, for the votes are got. Right, right. Okay. So I don't want to spend too much more time on this but you know, it's just, it's not my favorite thing.

I'm sorry I said that your takes were consistently bad across decades because I was fired up. I just meant I disagree with this one. It's okay. I didn't take any offense to it. I just you know, no shade on Parvety for like doing what she did. I just, I don't love that you're you know, able to, like in the heat of

moment like really in in a live tribal council like Cass is going to like stop down and say like excuse me I'm going to need to read that and make sure you're allowed to do it and then poverty's going to be like you don't trust me you don't know like great believe me yeah I would really not believe if someone won't show me the parchment yeah I guess I guess you're not with me if you are trying to read my note here at tribal council in the middle of everything yeah so all right anyone should do that by the way next time in the next restraints of season. You don't have to have an idol seal. Get a piece of tree mail and say you can steal someone's idol to get them not to play it on themselves. I also, again, just to go back to

the last week's episode, the fact that Parvety got the cookies and also this advantage, I thought also was too much. Yeah, that's fair. I think all of that is fair, but I think I've had a problem with disadvantage from the second it came on the screen. Then, all right, Cass ends up getting voted out. And I, you know, I did come around on Cass. I thought she was actually pretty good by the end of it. I mean, I think I would have preferred, with all due respect to Cass and Tommy from Finland, I would have preferred if the whole tribe was, and Lisa, too. I would prefer it if it was all U.S. survivors versus Australian survivors, with all due respect. To Rob Bentley as well.

Rob Bentley. Like, didn't think that Robben. You thank Jeff Probst for that. Yeah. Okay. That being said, cast, I thought was pretty fun. I think she's a pretty good player. Yeah.

I think that I, you know, she was, she was really good. She did some good things. She was a good foiled to poverty. Yeah. Okay. So then we go right into, and I didn't know what was going to happen because we have this sort of like, we go to tribal council like in the middle of the episode and then we end up having our classic Australian survivor immunity challenge at tribal council.

Yes, they love that. Seasonal staple ever since George made it the episode seven classic. This is episode seven, but that was in the pre-merge. That was in the pre-swap. And here it's in like the last week of the game. In the home stretch. And so Luke ends up winning the immunity here. And now this was really the head scratcher where, okay, you have now Lisa and Tommy seemingly as a pair.

And then Surrey has lost trust of like what's going on. She seems down on the most down on Lisa that she's going to be throughout the whole season. Parvety and Surrey are over here. And now we have the three Australian players, Luke and Shawnee and Jim. And they seemingly have all this momentum. They came into this night down five to three. But now suddenly we have a three, a two, and a two. And it seems like that there's a two that's ripe for the pickin.

And instead, they are going after Tommy. All I've asked from Luke in this entire week is to plurality vote poverty out of the game. Like, let one vote be on Surrey, which is Tommy. vote. Lisa votes for Janine. They're going to vote Tommy. Your three votes over the top. Three, two, one, one.

It's the best move of all time. Do you know how many best moves of all time lay on the side of the road this week as we drove past them? Just waving at our window and the best move of all time that Luke especially could have made on Parvety this week. Now, how much of this do you attribute to, you know, Parvety has now taken out the idol and, you know, shades of Russell Hans. How dare you?

Well, she's like wearing the idol around her neck at tribal council. Well, he went home with it around his neck. second tribal council I doubt she went back and watched Russell's season of Australian Survivor. I think she probably laughed and laughed. But... It was two episodes. I'm sure she found the time.

Maybe. So how much of this was like, okay, well, we know Tommy has nothing. And this is the safe vote to vote out Tommy. And now we'll go back to camp because you still leave Lisa in the game. And we can talk about Lisa wanting to fall on the sword for Tommy.

but it just seems like, well, why not pick up Tommy here? Yeah. My God. Hey, Tommy. He's begging them. Yeah. Why? He's begging them.

Right. Yeah. Well, Shawnee said Janine had really cultivated and we do see that. Like, she'd really cultivated poverty and Surrey and wanted to keep investing in that. I just highly disagree. Three, two, one, one, Rob. It's right there. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. All these plurality votes. So, all right. You want to talk. through Lisa wanting to step away because JLP I thought really like laid it out of

like sure you can quit but you're not going to be on the jury and also we're still going to vote there's so many funny things here there's a lot there's a lot of things here Lisa at the final four had someone quit to help her win

so that happened Tommy at the final four had someone quit as well that, well, that probably helped him lose. I don't know. He would have been a jury vote against him, but it wasn't someone on his side and he had immunity. So there's a lot of that happening.

Do you think production is bluffing here? Because if we're actually doing that, they're going to the final two, and I just don't think they want to. Like, do you think they really are voting out Tommy tonight if that happens? They could go to the final two. When you say it's a,

this would really be like shades of Micronesia. So how many people are on the jury? And it screws over three. So Sarah, what is it, Sarah, Kirby. Yeah, it's either going to be three and seven or if Lisa leave. On the jury. Yeah. So it's so, so it'll be a final three with seven.

But if Lisa quits and isn't on the jury and they don't vote out, Tommy, it's a final two with seven. A final two with seven. Which is also worth. Yeah. Hey, if Lisa walked away and we got a final two in a survivor season in the year of our lord, 2025, like people. That's what a superman to do. We stand. Yeah, except the Surrey goes out.

maybe no maybe i don't know i think a final two helps surrey in this spot well probably probably not i mean it hasn't before that one time when it went the surprise final two due to medevacin i think it comes down to if parvety is winning the final three challenge she takes uh she takes sari with her and then does she become sort of like uh if you don't want to vote for parvety um i am a good option yeah it's probably like a similar part that she has now but like a little bit trickier even but um yeah so so i don't know if they were bluffing or not what did you think of this what did you know this moment from lisa i think people had feelings about it i feel like that lisa is in a position i heard her talk to you about

this in the exit interview and she said um she said i think it's rather easy to get to the end of survivor to which i would say i disagree respectfully well you did it well you did it well you didn't. That's the point. I got to the final three. You would have, but you got to the final three where you would have won. That's what you're saying. Like it's not, you know what I mean? Like you got to the final three, but I think if you get past it, you put yourself in a winning position and she's saying that that's the tricky thing that you did almost do. So I can understand why Lisa in that moment and I think so she must have been feeling, you know, rather lousy. as you pointed out where that cast was going to play the idol for her.

And then ultimately, and she did and still ended up going home. And I think that she felt like. And I am not familiar with Lisa's winning season of Survivor New Zealand, but I know that there's also some feelings that she had there. So, you know, I'm really, I have a lot of empathy for Lisa. And, you know, I really, you know, you know, feel like she's in this spot where she does not see a path where she cannot win and maybe she feels like if I can you know like let Tommy have my spot go ahead

take yeah you know take my spot like it's not going to happen for me yeah and she's very pragmatic in that way and I want to defend Lisa because I think that people were so down on her after this that they were like she played a terrible game how did you win survive in New Zealand and I'm like, go watch the season. Like, it's widely available and on-tem play for the Australian casuals that seem angry about this. How did she win?

Like, watch it. But she played a good game and then had like three bad hours. You know, she was the connector between Surrey and Tommy and Cass and she had a lot of power in that through the pre-merge into the first couple of votes

of the merge and the Kirby boot. She has three bad hours. I'm not saying the loop thing was good. I'm not saying that this whole live tribal council was good at all. And then she threatens to quit. but I do I do think like and then she comes back and she has good arguments of why she should stay those three bad hours in an otherwise good game yeah I think this was the tribal council where

it was really a downpour right like the rain makes people do wacky stuff on survivor I think it was probably also really mentally draining and draining you know so and I think I'm not saying that it's a raining and training yeah exactly and other people outplayed I'm not saying this was good I'm just saying it was like three bad hours yeah like let's get some perspective here okay I would rather that than people who are carrying poverty to the end to lose. I think that's a long-term mistake. The conjuring last rites on September 5th. I come down here when you do you.

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I'm sorry, from the Surrey and Parvety perspective, I'm not sure why there wasn't more of a thought of, hey, let's get the band back together and wouldn't Lisa be a great person for Surrey and Parvety to go to the end with? The issue is that Serian Parvety's paths have been different this whole time. Their best paths are not even sitting next to each other. And they have this beautiful loyalty that is over and above that, which is really gorgeous to watch. But, like, they have different paths that they want. Like, Sarisha should definitely have Lisa in the game. It's a different option. And, like, she now has a trickier path

at four, whereas Parvety should have the path that she got now. Taking out Lisa, taking out Shawnee. I feel like that's perfect for her. Like, she's fully investing in Luke and Janine. And as she should, it's gotten her to this point. And it's a wonderful point to be. Yeah. I want to talk about the Parvety and Luke of it all here in this episode. Because to me, this is, I have so many questions. So, many thoughts of yeah i feel like that i look comes to parvety

and tells her hey i know you have an idol stealer well it just so happens i have an idol why luke what's what is the thought here i guess the thought is like we both know david

yes don't steal my idol yeah And I'll take you to the end. And Poverty's like, I like the sound of that. Yeah, it's like, I know you are in possession of a wooden stake. I just want to let you know I am a vampire. You happen to have the weapon to kill me and don't tell anybody. I just want to, like, establish trust with you and basically. And I just, I don't understand.

I don't understand why poverty goes through with ripping up the thing because here's what here's my big brain and again I'm not parvety I'm no poverty to me no one is this was the path to me in this episode was okay um I am going to Luke has just told me that he has an idol I have an idol stealer I'm gonna steal Luke's idol

and I'm going to play it on Lisa at Tribal Council. How about that? But she'd lose two allies to gain one. Two for one? She'd lose Luke and Janine to gain just Lisa who doesn't want us to hear in the end. And now I'm going to the final five with me and Surrey and Lisa again. And Luke's going to be immune. So Luke's going to still be there.

And maybe you have a pissed off Luke at the final five. And now we voted out either Shawnee or Janine. and now we have three and they have two and now all we have to do is just you know, like are Lisa or Surrey flipping at final five? We have a much easier path to the final three at that point. I think Lisa could flip on poverty. She's saying she doesn't want to sit next to poverty. She's the only one saying it and the only one thinking it, which is absurd.

She's going to go flip to Luke and Janine after this. Sure. She's got nothing to play for. She needs to make big moves and she has no nothing that she needs to rely on poverty for. She's going to give up a spot in the final three. Also, hurt Ceres' chance to get to the final three. Well, she'd be in a final four with three.

And she'd have taken out Pardy who is... But Pardy still has her idol to play at five. She's only wasting Luke's idol on this. But true. But also, is that any... Like, better than what ended up happening? It was, I thought, in a dicier path to get, but when we get into this next,

not for poverty, but for Surrey. Sure. Yeah, like, yeah, I think that the thing about tearing up the advantage is that it makes it slightly trickier for Surrey. Like, Surrey can, go ahead. No, Surrey can get idled out at the final five now because she doesn't have an idol to protect them both. Yeah.

Or Seri's now at the final four in a pair with another pair where she might have to make fire. But at the end of the day, Parvite wants us with Sarri, and I know it's beyond the game. I think she's best not sitting next to Serene, having three on the jury, not taking votes from her. And Parvety will be fine. Parvety's ultimate investment has to be in herself, which is Luke and Janine. Going all in with them, trusting the read that they will be with you is what she does, and it carries her through to here.

And it's not luck. People have said it's luck. It's an investment on something she's created and read, which is so real. I think it's like, does it maybe put Serene more jeopardy in her path? I mean, to be fair, they're still both here at the final four, even though Luke has won every single immunity and had all the power. He could have done anything and he had his idol. And they're still here.

And it's just slightly trickier for Surrey. For Parvety, it's perfect. I don't know the keeping Lisa in as any better. I think she can probably do that without the idol, possibly, bringing Johnny across. I just think that in the conversation that's between Parvety and Sarie, Parvety wants Luke and Janine as she should. Surrey wants Lisa and she just can't get it done.

And I think Parvety is doing this. has the right path for her and she's done the right thing. I just don't know what ripping up the advantage really bought for her where... Trust with Luke. And then he doesn't do all the things he should do when they're on the side of the road, all the plurality votes that he should do against poverty. Then why take Eric's necklace, you know, couldn't they just have made a truce with Eric that...

No, because they were worried Eric would keep winning the immunities and like take them where it's like probably will win the final four immunity Luke has no shot at that yeah so so we're gonna leave not only is Luke an immunity threat we're also gonna leave Luke with an idol like yeah it did work out like it did that

they have gotten to four with Luke but that was like we had to white knuckle through that final four tribal council like there was I think that there are ways in which that final four tribal council ends up going a lot smoother if we've just taken Luke's idol And that there, even if you don't even play it on Lisa, that if you take Luke's idol, it's like, hey, you know, Parvety loves giving out idols at tribal council.

It's like, hey, you know what? I'm going to, I've got one for me and one for Surrey. And now we're not going anywhere here at the final five. Yeah. Well, firstly, if you take it at the final six, they might turn then. You might need it. Then you might not have it for the final five. It's a lot more combative, which he has a very smooth path.

I don't think that she, I just don't think that she needs to do it. Like, and you say about the Eric thing, I'm not thinking that wasn't brilliant, I think that a very different situation, but I think that poverty's game has been mature. It's decades later from her glory days in her early 20s.

And I think investing in the right thing where you're giving Luke what he wants and then in return, you're getting his loyalty is very relevant. I think that he, you're white knuckling through that tribal council, but he does what he says he's going to do because that trust has been given.

And at the end of the day, she's not being targeted six, and she will play her idol at five to get her through to a challenge. She'll likely win at four. And then a final travel counselor, she'll likely win. Like, she's okay. Surrey's chances are slightly worse. Parvety is done the best thing for her, I think. I don't think this was shown in the episode.

Did we ever get Surrey's reaction to finding out that Parvety ripped up the idol steal advantage? No. And I think that is interesting to me because, and I'd love a deep dive with Surrey one day. But I think that if it kind of disenfranchised anyone, it definitely is three and her chances it could have been five, maybe, or four. But I think that this is what's so interesting to me is if you ask 10 people who won that interaction between Poverty and Luke, you're going to get different answers. And I think what's going to happen is I think Poverty will beat Luke in a final three.

And I think there will be a lot of people who don't understand it. I'm already hearing from people like, but he got her. And the previously on to saying, like, he got her to rip up her advantage. I'm like, she agreed to it because it was a calculated risk that is going to work out. So I think people will be mad. I think Kat will be mad. I think my dad might not get it. And I'm going to have to explain it to him.

I think I'll have to explain it to my in-laws. But like, I think that it's kind of like people have a different take on who won that interaction. But I thought Luke won the interaction in that he, poverty had the thing that could totally undermine him. and then he ultimately gave like got her to get what's that to do what with it like he got her to rip it up so that he could never so that he doesn't vote her out you know what I mean and maybe he lost the interaction in terms of like he should have at that final five tribal council like played that differently and played the idol for Shaw and that you know so so he got I think he had the opportunity that he squandered but Parvety I think gave him and

opportunity to betray her. She did. But also in doing it makes him less likely to betray her because she's investing in that relationship. Like they're not separate. Like she's pushing him to swander it and he does. Like these things are completely tangled in each other. So I don't think.

Yeah. And I kind of like I see, I literally see it as like, oh, I've taken JT's idol to work with JT. Like you vote JT out with his own idol, Luke. They're on the side of the road, all of these plurality plans that I had to, right here at But to me, her ripping up the note was like JT giving Russell an idol. Exactly, exactly. But then Luke doesn't vote around. Yes, okay.

Well, that was, like, then it's meaningless. Luke, I just don't think that, you know, we're seeing like perfect gameplay. You're so, you're so wrong. No, no, I think it's like, getting the idol from JT is like, it's a means to an end. and the end is voting out JT with his own idol, getting her to rip it up to go to the final four with her and Cerey. I don't think that you've not ended the mean.

Luke is going to get to the final four. I feel final three. I think that the writing is on the wall to me that the final three is Pardy, Ceree, Janine. I think Surrey's gone next. And I think that Poverty will beat Luke and I think that there will be people who are confused about it.

And I think sometimes a man has, I would say a loud again, but poverty has had so many confessionals. And even so, I think that Luke is beloved in Australia. He's done things like, make her rip up the note. For anyone listening, I'm highly quoting that. I don't really made her. But I'm just saying that I think that people will see that.

I think they'll think that he had all these moves. But to me, the moves are shallow. They're vapid. Their surface level wounds that are not wounding her. And she's actually getting what she wants. And that's the real brilliance. And I don't know that everyone will see that if she beats him in the end. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that Luke did not have the killer instinct. at that final five tribal council where Shawnee ends up going home because I feel like that at the point where he's giving Janine the like you know he's lied about you know that having the idol I mean I don't know again why he told Parvety

that seemed like a misplay because that he had again like I guess the initial mistake and he realizes it was to tell poverty that he has the idol when she has the idol stealer and again nobody's ever accused Luke of like being

like a you know a deep thinker and you know had he not done that you know i i feel like that there are ways to be able to dismantle this right with that like with what he did he like perfectly set up the the building blocks to do this and then and then didn't vote j t out with his own idol like my my pitch rob was um that luke has it all like three votes on shawnee right and then Shawnee votes on Surrey and then he plays the idol on Shawnee and then he votes for Parvety and then

we'll talk about what Parvety could have done but then Parvety can play the idol on herself or Surrey and one of them will go home on one vote, minority split vote. Yeah. Because if he had he not won immunity like I think that there's a world where it's like oh hey what a great time to take out Luke and

I mean if you're Um, Parvety, wouldn't you rather, like, go to the final four with Shawnee and Janine and not Luke? No, Luke's worse at endurance. I'd rather take out Shawnee. And I think Shawnee's a bigger chance to win. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think Kirby could, could vote for Shawnee.

Yeah. I think other, you know, Shawnee, I think Shawnee, yeah, I don't, I don't, I mean, Luke's been out of a lot of the votes and like, I don't, I think Luke's fine to go with. I think I'll just keep running it down with Luke. Do you think the YouTube comments will say I was. mean to you today? No, I, was anybody mean to each other or two people are having a conversation where we don't necessarily, you know, agree on everything?

I think so. Can I run something by you that I've been thinking about? Sure. Do you think that poverty would ever have played the idol on Surrey? Not in that scenario. Yeah, in that, in that final five. Mm-hmm. Because she's like, he's acting like what Luke does matters to what she does.

but I was thinking about it and I was thinking if he does play the adorn and she plays the idol in Surrey as a response then it's probably a zero zero right because he was thinking of voting for Surrey not poverty and then the only people you can vote in the zero re-vote are poverty and Luke

and he just saved two of the three votes that are available to vote so she'd actually vote herself out of the game and I doubt she was going to do that because she's playing brilliantly and she wasn't going to do that but I think that if you want to vote out if you want to play the idol

on Surrey, what you have to do is a one-vote split on Luke and hope that you send him out on one vote. But my 3-1-1 plan from Luke would negate her split, which is one of the other reasons I really like that. But anyway, I was just thinking that through because I don't think there's any way she actually does play it on Surrey, but it wasn't interesting kind of thought. One of the things I didn't get from this week was Parvite talked about how she wanted to rewrite history of it's, I got to rewrite history of I need to get to the end with Surrey. But she won that season. Why would you want to rewrite that?

Yeah, what are we rewriting? Like I, like, and again, maybe we're like far into this game and poverty's like lost the plot a little bit like. No, she wants to rewrite a different season. I need to rewrite heroes versus villains where I should have won. That's like, like, Surrey needs to rewrite Micronesia. Your writing was perfect. What do you care?

Like, is it just like, like, I, you know what? Amanda doesn't even freaking deserve to lose to me. Seri should have lost to me. What are we rewriting? Yeah. Well, their bond is amazing. Listen, Parvite is the author, not me.

Yeah. But you didn't need to rewrite. It was fine. I do agree with you. But their bond is beyond what we can know. And we should never criticize it because it's keeping my sanity intact. Like, I love it so much.

So I'm, but like, yeah. And that's why I'm saying like, wait, what are we redoing? how much should poverty be investing in Surrey like how much should she be doing different plans to help Surrey, how much should she be playing an idol on Surrey to possibly take herself out of the game at a zero zero reboat like I think it's I think maybe she has some guilt

maybe that's what but like I don't I still think she's prioritizing herself which is great but like maybe she has some guilt about what happened to Surrey which she shouldn't it's wonderful why would she have guilt she won this is true survivor's remorse yeah Survivor's guilt.

Survivor's guilt, yeah. Even better. Yeah, I should rewrite my line. Okay. So, yes, Surrey, I feel like is in a bad spot. I mean, Luke has won three

challenges in a row now. He's really heating up. It seems like that maybe Shawnee was going to, like, you know, who has a better case against the wind? Shawnee or Teeny? Um,

I don't know. What was Teeny's thing? The wind blew Tini was about to beat Sam Phelan in the fire And then the wind like Oh, the fire. Oh, my God. You know, I shut these fire memories out, Rob.

And I think I'm going to have to next week. With fire. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, is the wind the survivor gods Or do you think there's producers with a fan? No. But, you know, I think for me it's like Luke has so much space because I don't think Janine will ever turn on him.

So I think Luke is. that up well here. No, I feel, I want to go back to, I brought it up and then I didn't finish my thought of, like, did we ever get Ceres' reaction to the idol stealer? Because I have to imagine, you know, knowing Ceri as well as we know from watching her for all these years, I have to think Ceri's reaction to finding out that Pardy ripped the idol stealer in half to be like, what do you mean you ripped the idol stealer in half? Yeah, that might be the reason

Surrey, no, I bought trust with Luke I bought trust with him What do you mean you bought trust with him? Yeah, because I do think the one thing it does is it limits them at the final five once Luke has won immunity and then they kind of like have to go with this five in a different world where they can vote out

even like a Janine and go to a four with a Shawnee in the hope of maybe like taking out Luke at a final I mean, I think that to be fair though I think that Shawnee would want to vote them out Like she said in the ex-in review that she would be going for them. So I don't see a world in which...

She would want to go to a serene poverty. Yeah. Like that's what she kind of... She knew not to go to the end with Serian poverty. I was like, well done. Not a lot of people seem to know that. So I think that in this final four, serian poverty have gotten themselves to what might have been

the best case scenario of at least like the last couple of rounds, which is a two-two. Nobody seems that concerned about... It's a lot of Australian players on the jury, right? Like, is anybody concerned about, like, sitting with, I feel like if I was a severe poverty, I think that sitting next to Luke or even Janine, there's no concern that people like, hey, like, it's Australian Survivor. Are we really going to let foreigners come in and win Australian Survivor in Australian Survivor

versus the world? Listen, we started, you don't, you don't, that's not any concern. look based on some of the protests lately god forbid i think it might be but no i think with this class especially and i think i said this on the calling show today we as australians we're not that patriotic we're not like americans i think you're thinking like an american yeah we're fine but patriotic to serene pavity mostly i think i am i pled allegiance to serene pav yeah so i think that's mostly it um yeah i think that we were just so likely to get to a point where it was two to whatever happened.

And that's kind of why I think well, I mean, the crazy thing so I'm trying to think about the final four. So if he takes out Surrey at the final five with this power, with the fact that he won immunity, he has an idol, he tore up the idol stealer. He has everyone wanting to work with him. He has all of the power

in the world to do something really cool. And he does the obvious boring thing that plays in Poverty's hands. Then he always starts to Rui to say, because Pavdi's going to play the idol himself. Then you get to a final four where you can definitely vote out poverty or if she wins immunity, which is highly likely, then even

if Shawnee votes with poverty against Luke, he saw as Janine and he's just going to fire against Shawnee, who has famously never loved fire. Like, there's so much there. Yeah. Yeah, because I feel like if Luke just plays the idol on Shawnee here at this tribal council, poverty, no chance

is playing the idol on Surrey. Yeah, exactly. As you have often said, Luke at this tribal council, he's put the necklace on Janine. he has implicit immunity when he's wearing the idol around his neck Surrey and poverty are not writing down

Luke's name right they could split they could split I don't see it but if he does a 3-1-1 I don't see it they didn't I don't see it so he so he plays the idol for Shawnee and now in this scenario okay the the votes against Shawnee are nullified he and I don't know if Janine is in on this that put their vote.

No, she doesn't have to be. Do it individually. Do something cool. Sean, he voted for Surrey. He can vote for Surrey. Surrey has gone home at final five. Isn't this the outcome that, like, isn't this the most Surrey thing that could have happened?

Well, she loses at fire next week before the final travel account. But that's old. We should have done that. This is new. Yeah. This is like a new way of this, Surrey. ways to be screwed in the game or not not we're screwed here but like there's only so many ways to lose it at this point yeah and sometimes you have to get to the reruns like there's how many options are

there i did think it was very funny that at the tribal council here at um i think it was at five uh where uh jlp's asking seri questions about like but don't you see like you've got the australians you got and um suri answers like the question like basically like Jonathan that this people from all over the world are watching this and i think that we're showing people that you can have trust among people. And this is like a really great example to people. And somewhere out there, Quentin and Andy from the traitors' heads are exploding.

I thought you wasn't going to say Eric Rikinbach. No. Like, yeah, I mean, Ari, right? Like, everyone in that trade is us. The really, you know, sourpuss crybabies from the first season of the traders, That's still to this day Over decades

It's a room full of people Just like with baseball baths Just like getting it like Oh really sirre Really we're gonna learn About how to trust people From this It made people believe in integrity and honor

Like I get it now Thank you siri It's beautiful beautifully said Right I want to know From you Shannon And this is a little bit of Survivor 50 talk

This was not set up great for Surrey here in Australian Survivor versus the world. You know, she had Lisa. Do you feel like that potentially in Survivor 50 is Surrey walking into an environment there where the way that people

have fawned over poverty in this season, do you think that it is more likely Surrey is walking into a scenario in Survivor 50 where there are people, more people fawning over Surrey the way people fawned over Parvity in this season? I actually don't think this was a terrible setup for Surrey.

I feel like she was like a target, like a target, but she had shields. She had women's alliance potential. She did have Lisa and like I think, I think this was actually, and I think like poverty's position in she had the women's alliance potential, but she was a bigger target. And she just played it so well. But Surrey is like such a big fish in 50. Like she's such an outlier in many ways. I think she needs to be around more of the new era people.

I think the new era people will have like that reverence for her the way that Lisa had. Yeah, he's going to lease her it. he's going to be the next member of the Fields family is it made I'd have to go back like Camilla maybe I don't know I'm trying to think of like yeah Genevieve maybe apparently

loves Marie yeah I really I think that the younger players like the new era players like I like I don't like it's like not going to be like you know Jenna Lewis or you know who are you mm hmm yeah

they were on a tribe together Shannon I know I know he's one of the other people I just wonder that even if it doesn't work out for Surrey here. I do think that, like, let's not forget Sarie still has another season and one that could be set up

in a decent way for her. If Surrey doesn't win Survivor in the next eight months, yeah, I'm so done with the show. I'm so done. Like, I'm so out. It's fine.

You don't need to win the show. Like, sometimes you need to come agonizingly close six different times. Yeah. Okay. Sometimes that's the real win. Win was the friends we made along the way, right? Trust, integrity, loyalty,

learning that was really the thing we learned. So that was the message all along. All right. So we're set up going into Final Four. We got one more episode. Do you think we're going to bring out loved ones for the Final Four challenge in classic Australian Survivor fashion?

I don't think they will, but I kind of hope. I really hope they do. We were talking on the Patreon call-in show today about how in returning seasons they should do it with like players. I mean, they did that for George. Exactly. And it was so good when Kari.

came out for George. Imagine if David came out for three quarters. It's like just David and 80. David's here for everybody. So he's like, I don't know David. It's like it's fine.

We've all everyone group hugged David. Speaking of David, what do you think about Shawnee? Like I'm retiring the red dress. I'm done. Next I'm coming for JLP's job. I'm going to. I was like,

oh, Shawnee too soon. No, well I'm surprisingly left that in because everyone would want that. Like if they had announced that it actually would have gone quite well. Also,

in the exit interview that she will come back in five years so you're all very welcome and Shawnee was great and like we needed more of Shawnee she kept being like you don't want to be at a 2-2 in the fight like she was like

I've been here you know it was just yeah famously she like we didn't want to make fire at all and she went to a 2-1-1 but like yeah like we really needed more and we needed more as maybe as a host maybe she and David combined

why didn't we see that tag team I feel that we've done that like in The Bachelor a little bit Yeah, we did. How would you divide up the labor here? No pregnancy, pun intended, for Shawnee. I would have them say every second word. That's not why you thought that would go, but it is like 39 days, you know, like 24 people.

Who's doing tribal council? Are they like tag teaming tribal council? It's like, you know. Both of them are there. I like, I kind of like that. Why don't they just keep adding? players until people stop being irate. Like, you didn't like David?

All right, Sean is joining him. Like, how many, like, poverty will be there? You know, like, at what point are you guys going to get your pound of flesh? Like, yeah. I mean, in the challenges where it's like, uh, one v one, like one, like one of them, like over there, like, oh, I'm like, David, I'm over here. And boy, the Titans are really struggling. Like, oh, well, from my vantage point, the rebels have got it all figured out.

Yeah, I mean, look, how would Shawnee have hosted the show? She says she wants to have two more kids in the next three years. She's on a second pregnancy. I don't think you can go to Samoa. So, I mean, we video call her in, COVID-style. We just zoom Shawnee in. No, we can't do that. Well, that's maybe why she lost the gig.

It's hard to be a woman. But, yeah, such a shame. What do you think about the fact that Luke is going jungle crazy? Because I'm really enjoying it. What do you mean jungle crazy? He's like, crazy, Luke? I'm like, Luke, it's been two weeks. That's, that to me is regular Luke.

It's not. Like, I feel like he wasn't even like this the first couple of times. Mm-hmm. I don't know what it is. I think losing David did something to him. Luckily, he will see him in just a couple of days as the universal loved one. Yeah. How great would that be?

Imagine bringing David out. Why should they just kept him there? Yeah, and we're not going to get a reunion, sadly, right? No. No. Did they go home when they lost? Do we know? I think they did.

Mm-hmm. Well, yeah. There was no like, like, uh, ponder, like, pre-jury Ponderosa or anything like that for, for the four people that got voted out before the jury. Yeah. What else? You want to just like, I'm sure do a lot of wrap up, uh, next week. But this was, I feel like, for you an unmitigated success, right? I think the last couple episodes slowed it down.

Thank you, David. Mm-hmm. See you in a couple days. Um, yeah. I, I think it's like, like, Where does a season, we'll do that next week, like where the season falls for you and stuff. I think it's been very fun. And I think that the bar has been so high that if it ever slips below that a little bit,

we get a bit like, why isn't this the best episode of all time? But it has been fantastic. Is it worth even prognosticating if Parvety somehow goes out at Final Four of what the Surrey Luke Janine final three looks like? I think we've said that Surrey wins that, right? Like, because Surrey would get the worlds and Parvety. That's 4 of 7. so that's the shot

she gets cast Tommy because they don't like why they're looking Lisa obviously and Parvety

that's four already yeah not to mention she could get Kobe do we see possibly like if Luke or Janine win the final

four challenge and again is I feel like that this is like heavily weighted for Parvity a Parvity win set up

would Surrey try to get Luke and Janine to vote out poverty? I struggle like the whole time I've been like

when is she going to take out poverty and she's never said she wants to take out poverty and I've just been making that up I think she gives poverty file and I think

that would be like possibly a game losing mistake because if poverty leaves that serious win but I don't know that she wants to do that what do you think

you would ever vote up poverty here? What would she do? I mean like who will she vote for Janine? Like who's poverty voting for?

Like say Janine wins so she they vote for Luke yeah go to buyer, well, the other one who doesn't win immunity. Mm-hmm. Unless a re-win's immunity, which I still really want to happen. Yeah, whoever poverty is voting for.

Like, she's either in or out on poverty, and I think she's in. I think that they've made this bond. I think they were kind of like, we're going on the 16-day season, like, let's try to win, but like, let's really do this together. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Anything else from...

On our integrity. Yes, it's what's all about in Survivor these days. Yeah. I'm looking through my notes from... uh this past week but yeah it's been uh what a ride i can't believe it's over i know what's almost over i think the thing that we'll look back at this week as like the missed opportunities of luke's multiple plurality vote fails that he never tried and i think that a slowed down end game where people kind of just lock in is what Australian survivors kind of known for right like

heroes versus villains said that a bit 2017 even these like fantastic seasons do have that. It's weird, though, because you usually think it's like it's just been so long and it's like at a point they need to lock in, but this has been 60 days and I still feel like it reverted to that. So I think that is quite interesting. So, yeah, I mean, I'm interested to see how it ends, but it is interesting that it went that way.

Yeah. What do you think is the future for this type of like short form season? Well, I think the concern is that they haven't filmed or gotten, they're not seemingly doing one right now they filmed this a year ago thereabout but it would have been hard to greenlight it without knowing the success of it another one yeah but the thing is like they're not going to do it for next year because the whole point

was like they did it right up to brains deep brown too right and they're filming redemption now so they need to have it ready to go in like two weeks which they clearly don't right they could do it though if they're really locked in they could get people to do it but you've said the ratings are good and this seems to have been like a big success. Yeah, the ratings for episode seven were higher than even the premiere I saw.

So that was good. Yeah, so I think that maybe they'll look to, maybe they'll look to do it in a year. Yeah. Or two years from now. Because, I mean, I think that there was no, like, real proof of concept. I mean, it could have just been something that nobody cared about that would have been hard to put more money into it. But if it's doing better ratings than even the Normie Survivor.

Normie Survivor. Right? Which also has returned. 30s. Yeah, I think it did do better. Yeah. So I think that there's probably a market for this type of like short run, you know, special event to do it again. So maybe, you know, a year from now, because they would film it and that would put it on, what, two years time? Yeah, two years. In defense of Normie Survivor, like that's in a harder spot over, obviously a longer time. So that's what do you mean it's in a harder spot? Like it's like, yeah, the beginning of the year is like a really. tough space. For TV ratings? Yeah.

This is like a three weeks like not like it's been amazing but I don't even know what else is on TV right now. Yeah. All right. That's just a me thing. Shannon Gus, anything else for you three weeks into Australian Survivor versus the world? Oh, I wanted to say how we're going on the chizzy raffle.

Okay. Oh no. I don't have it. Where is it? Wait, I'm getting it up. We've made, we've raised $2,150. Which I'm really happy with. Yes.

And we've sold 255 raffle tickets so far So get your Chizzy Raffle donations in For the Fur Ever After Rescue Because you have a couple of days left To Friday night, Australian time, midnight It's like Friday morning in the States Yeah, get in your shizzy raffles Email me chizzy raffle at gmail.com

With your donations, $10 for $1, $25 for three Who would you give your chizzy points to, Rob? I mean, we don't know next week But you think you'll probably give it to like JLP What about like Tommy's poncho is something people have thought about? You might get to their individual pets. Do you have any things you wanted to spend a chili rap ticket on if you were to? So the whole idea is that I can just throw a spanner in the works of the Chizzy Awards.

You don't have to break the Chizzy, but last time we did this, someone gave a point to Sontany from Survivor South Africa. So the charts are forever ruined anyway. Yeah. So the idea is like if I win the raffle, what could I potentially do to make Shannon crash out by throwing off her beloved chizzy awards. Yeah. Hmm. I mean, I don't know necessarily.

I'd have to give it some thought. How can I, you're like, I'm going to stoo on this. Like, how can I most irritate you? Yes. Yeah, you could probably giving points to Luke for this week would have been. Well, I did think that Luke, Luke had a mixed bag. I mean, he the guy won three immunity challenges. Yeah, that was good.

He got Parvety to tear up the... Did he get her, Rob? Did he get her? Or did she willfully participate in something that also helped her? Listen, that you could say Eric, that did he give up his necklace or did he do something to build trust? Like, sometimes you... What do you mean? He got immediately voted out.

That read was wrong. Like, Parvety didn't get voted out. If he'd done that, her read would have been wrong. That's fine. But you have to give trust to, you know... Wait, if Eric gives up the neck. and they say this actually did help us with the trust and then they actually do vote out who was going to be Amanda um that would be completely different we would not like that would be a

completely different move that's not yeah like that's yeah that's actually proving my point actually thank you that's yeah yeah um I think that Luke then misplayed like he got what he wanted and then he misplated after that so but he you know he set things up to that he you know like like parvety placed her trust in him and then poverty was right right because he delivered the trust. He was wrong in that, you know, it's survivor and he should have broken the trust and done what he needed to do to win. Which is so weird because he's like at the voting brief.

Like, which one should I do? Even when he had another chance to like to do like a Mike Holloway ask like I thought it was too cute by, you know, by more 10 times of the, okay, you say my name. I'll say your name. And then I think Parvety kind of said Luke first. and then he's just said, I'm playing the idol for Shawnee. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, the thing is, the things as well is like, I think that if she says Luke and he says Shawnee, she can be like, oh, no, wait, wait, wait, takes me back to these. Like, three second rule.

Three second rule, right? No, no, no, no. We had this on Big Brother this season, you know. Like, um. What? You had that?

That feels very specific. Yeah. We had where somebody voted on Big Brother. Oh, I saw that. And then. And then. And then. And then.

Then Will, Rachel get convinced Ashley to vote a certain way. And then Will, in the hallways, she says I voted for, I forget who it was. And he's like, that was bad. And she goes back in the room. I meant, I want to say, I meant to say I vick the other person. And then Julia-Jen moved out. She was like, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that wasn't three-second rule, though.

That was like 10 seconds. That was covered in sand and glass. like that was that was gone yeah if you get to do an interview with jlp ask him if would poverty have been allowed to she says Luke and then Luke says a plan out for Shawnee is she allowed to then say no no no no no no no no no no beat him by the fine art of like timing also Tommy said in his ex interview he was like I was sharing cookies with poverty and I was thinking like

I think poverty was trying to kill you for real black widow star because I think they were covering glass yeah yeah but anyway but you know Parvety, that was funny. You know, it does a great job of, you know, she is, it was a precarious position, great job by her to get to this set up where, you know, people can't wait to award her the win and nobody seemed capable of stopping her. Yeah, I think that her whole relationship with Luke, you know what it's giving? It's giving, I trust you because David told me to, but I don't know how I feel about it.

And same from him. Yeah, I really think so. I really she's known him for less than a week David's right there he's like in their ears maybe literally with an ear no I'm no I'm joking um yeah

David's right there you want a David you got David okay it's there you want a Dondy we did it yeah this is the whole alliance okay Shannon tell us about your finale coverage coming up on Sunday yes firstly of this week

obviously all the recaps are out I had three X interviews I had Tommy Lisa and Shawnee, Cass will be next week. And I will hopefully have all of the ex-interviews next week for the final four, but not all on the first day. Like,

they will be released through the week because 10 will have to obviously get them done as we can in the first few days of next week. Janine's busy doing a TED talk. Probably. So busy. We'd be so lucky to get Janine. I think it's more than 10 are busy.

Like 10 have limited resources. But yeah, then we're going to have a finale recap. it's going to be with saying 8 E.T. Sunday night, 10 a.m. Sydney time on Monday morning. So it's like about exactly 12 hours after the finale ends. We're going to recap it live with all the recap bitches. We're going to do the final chisie points that someone has won. And then we're going to have a show as well, Rob. Yeah. We'll be back to the other for one more. Rob reacts to the Australian Survivor finale. I'm sorry if I was mean. I don't. I didn't think you were

mean, I hope not. I podcast with my wife. This is nothing. I podcast with you, so I'm used to it. I'm joking. Rob's not mean to me, guys. Don't come for Rob in the comments. And don't say you were spoiled by this, okay?

If you are here, it is your choice. I'm sorry. You couldn't be doing more. All right. Shannon, this has been so fun. I've really enjoyed getting to talk about this all here with you. And so it's been a fun ride. everybody else has enjoyed it.

And then Shannon and I will get back together. And if you're a patron, check out Shannon's Q&A. How long did you go with the patrons? Two and a half weeks with the... Were they on their best behavior? As long as the season. Yes, it was two and a half hours. We took a lot of calls in the Q&A.

We talked about a lot of things, as we said, a lot of the things spoken about today, about a lot of people had theories about how Surrey would not break our hearts. And we went through all of them. It was so good. I've never done that before. And it was so good to chat to the patrons.

I love it. I had so much fun during the Survivor's season going through everything. It really, for me, like, it was such good questions. It was so nice. Yeah. It's just, like, such a lovely community. And Miles was here. Miles came to hang out with Peter.

And then I was like, Miles did a minute, and then everyone wanted to be Miles. So that was fun. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us here for this one last look at the full week of Australian Survivor v. The World. We'll be back to talk about the finale after it airs.

Take care. We have a good one. Bye.