RHAP: We Know Survivor - Rob Reacts to the AU v World Finale

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Rob Reacts to the AU v World Finale Rob Cesternino and Shannon Guss dive into the thrilling finale of Survivor AU versus the World in this post-season recap. The duo unpacks Parvati Shallow’s dominant victory, exploring how she secured her second Survivor win and cemented her legacy as one of the game’s greatest players. Rob […]

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Shannon, how are you? I didn't realize I'd won. What did I win? Like, what did I win and what do I win? Well, this whole season has been just a fever dream for you. And so I'm thrilled for poverty, but I'm also thrilled for you. Thank you so much. I mean, I think that that would hit harder if I didn't wake up.

Mom to be? Yes, we can talk about the baby. But also more. What are the many mothers of Survivor A.U. versus the world. Now you join their ranks. Thank you. More important than the baby, though.

No offense, baby. Love you. I woke up today for my interview with Surrey. Couldn't sleep all night. I said so many alarms. Said Peter's alarm. I woke up before all the alarms. It was postponed.

So am I really winning? Like, yes, I'm having a baby. And I watched the season. I interviewed poverty and Tony. but like I'll win when I see Surrey on my screen in front of me talking to me. So as of press time, it is 846 a.m. on Tuesday, Eastern Standard Time as we're recording. And you have been scheduled to do a interview with fourth place winner, Surrey Fields. Yeah, well, fourthless finisher.

Yeah. And it has been a little bit you're getting about. bounced around. Yeah, it was canceled, but then it's going to be rescheduled. But now I kind of feel like I can't celebrate until it's done. You know, I shouldn't have counted my chickens. Okay. Okay. So, yeah. All right. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. I have faith. It'll come together and you'll get the chance to talk to Surrey. I listened to your interview with Parvety, which I thought was wonderful. You did a great job. And it was such a nice conversation to hear you talk with her about her big win.

Yeah, that was a thrill too. You know, like, it's funny. Like, I sound entitled because I'm like, I spoke to poverty yesterday. Yeah, but then I'm like, but also, where's three? I want it all. You know, I'm not, I'm not content with, but it was amazing to speak to poverty. She played such a sensational game, and she was like a hero of mine. Like, I've loved her as I told her for decades.

Yeah. And I got to tell her that. It's so fun telling people you've loved them for decades. Yeah, I've loved you for decades. letting you know well that sounds like you just say that to everybody no no there's a select group okay all right well we're here to talk about it it was probably you know as expected parvety ends up going on to the win in the big finale of survivor a u versus the world probably went a little bit different and then i expected in terms of uh seri going to uh the final four

fire making. I think I guess I thought that maybe the one thing that was a surprise for me was I kind of thought Janine would have just voted out, Luke. No, I never thought that and I thought Spray would lose it fire. I think I, like, if you would ask me to predict this episode in full, I think I could have done it. It was still fun to watch the coronation, but that's what it was to me. Like, there were no surprises. Maybe that we didn't get the loved ones. We did not get David, Rob, like we would promise. I don't think that that was too much of a surprise. Yeah, it wasn't. I didn't, but I was just

waiting. He was like, now to the challenge. I'm like, ugh, I hate to insult JLP, but yeah, I think that, and I kind of even feel like the votes panned out as expected, but it was fun, right? But like the elegraph, the edit telegraphed, the you know, poverty and the

win was hers for the day. It wasn't even just the edit. It was the fact that, like, she was in a position to win and then she would have had to, like, something would have had to go terribly wrong. Yeah. I mean, it truly was a season of Australian Survivor. Yes, exactly. No, but there have been surprising outcomes in Australian Survivor. And here they are.

Right. Well, when Miles won, I thought that he would win the challenge. Yes. Sean losing many years ago. keep it focused on. People I think people want to hear us talk about this season. You are right that Australian Survivor might telegraph a lot. Yeah, they might do that.

And that's great. I mean, that's what Australian Survivor does. And it was epic. And, you know, something also that Australian Survivor does so well as opposed to American Survivor. And specifically American Survivor in the new era is they know how to do the final four. I mean, this was never indebted. out for Parvety, but especially when they show you the past torturous final four competitions in these test of wills, who wants it more, it is really hard to compare this to Sumotion.

Yeah, although I suppose to me. But it's tidly winks compared to, you know, what the competitors of Australian Survivor do at the final four. Although I would think, do you think Surrey could do some motion? Like, I'm already manifesting that she's going to win that challenge. Listen, when we talk more about final four. I mean, I really would, you know, wonder, you know, how would Parvety be at the motion? But in terms of, like, what Parvety can do so well, I mean, put her up in this, I think she could have gone another five hours.

Yeah, there's a few things here. I don't think there's anybody in the world who's better at sort of these, like, torturous endurance competitions than Parvety. I think that all the things. Perhaps. Of all the things she does well, I mean, I think that that is the thing that she actually does the best. Right. So people are complaining about Paz-Win, the general public, as expected. How many people? Because I haven't seen one complaint. I haven't seen one complaint. Are you on Instagram? You know what? So I had recently- You just finished the episode. I just-

So I was telling Shannon before I came on. So it's Tuesday morning. I had just watched the episode right before we are recording this, and it was, you know, a busy schedule for me on, you know, Sunday was kind of a busy day for me, and then Monday we had a lot going on in the Big Brother world. So it took me a minute to actually get to the episode, so I have not read a lot of the discourse on social media. So people, actual real people are complaining or just like the same sort of people that just are contrarians are complaining.

I mean, I don't know if they're people, but they're Instagram users. Instagram users, okay. And I'm not even gone to Facebook because Instagram put me in a really bad mood, and I'm really prepared to rant about it. But there are obviously, Luke being Australia's treasure, people thought he would win. And people are upset that he didn't. We can talk through those many grievances, although should we give it air? Yeah, why not?

So one of the things is like, this was so rigged for her. Look at that final challenge. It's like that challenge is what they do every thing. season. Yeah, that's Australian Survivor, baby. Have you ever watched the show before? And also, because of that, anyone who knows anything, including two people who've done multiple seasons of Australian Survivor, should know that it will benefit poverty and taking her to that final for me and she'll get to the end. Janine said that they did plan to vote poverty out if she lost, but that was a very, very big if to a probable no. Right. And so you knew you were putting her in that

spot where you had less chance to win and she had extreme chance to win that challenge. That's not rigged. bad gameplay to let it get there and good skills by part. And gameplay that we've been calling out for the entire third week of why does Luke want to go to the end with poverty? What are Luke and Janine doing? Why do they want this? That's the question you should be asking. Because I think Luke thought that he would have a jury of similar people to the Instagram

users who, and Luke is likeable and he is Australia's treasure and in some ways, like that will get votes. and it would always have gotten votes for Luke before this season. But the issue is, I think Luke's game was propped up by a lot of the flash, like meaningless flash without actually doing much. But that worked on the casuals. Like that seemed to work on the general population. That didn't work on the jury.

May I add to that in terms of like Luke's game in the past being about a lot of flash where I would say that I did not see that flash in Survivor, A.U. versus the world. Where was the Luke Flash? Yeah. I talked last week about how I thought that Shawnee had kind of an underwhelming season in terms of how much she showed us. But I feel like that Luke, classic Luke, King of the Jungle, big explosive moves.

He even said, like, I tried not to do that this time. It's like, well, then what did we have here? Janine talked about Luke as Luke is all hard. And I get that. But it just, I felt like was not a super exciting game. Yeah, Luke won. what, three immunity challenges, but yeah, and he did find an idol, but

overall, like this was not a, you know, of Luke's seasons, this was like the least exciting Luke season. Yeah, 100%. I have a cousin who hasn't watched his season. She watched it here and she's like, I don't really get it. I'm like, Luke

is a brilliant player. He came in as my winner pick and he's usually a lot better than this. He's done the exciting stuff to his detriment in the 3-2-2-2, which sent him and Sarah home. Yeah, that was. The one time. Yeah, but not just that. He also did the 2-1-1 at the final five where he sends Baden out a tribal council.

Like, we didn't see that and he had the power to do it. You're saying he found an idol. He won three immunity challenges at 7, 6, and 5. Those are the three spots were asking to take shots and you're immune. So we saw that. But I think that what he was trying to do was create a narrative and a story. And that story worked on the viewing audience and not on the jury. And it wouldn't have worked for me as a juror.

But I think they're remembering the previous season. No, they like this. They like that he put the necklace on Janine. They liked that he played hard. He had a harder game. You know, poverty just has people flock to her. Like, yeah, that's a skill. That's crazy.

Most people don't have that. You know, like I think that there is, and I'll do the rant, actually. There is so much sexism in the Australian public. That's the first part. That, again, I said this on the recap when a woman, one of the best players of all time, if not maybe the best, plays one of the best, if not the best game of all time. It's telegraphed in the edit. She tells you it at Final Tribal Council,

but you have a likable young guy next to her who's also loud. They don't get it. To be fair, like, and even my dad was like, I love Luke, but I get it. But this, even my dad. But like this, the general public, like he played harder. He was the underdog. It's hard to be the overdog.

It's hard to get no votes. It's hard to control so much and be in on everything. And have flash like poverty did. But anyway, they don't, they don't see that. And I think a lot of that is the way people view women. And also, the way people view women like poverty. I think that that is also sure I think all of those things are happening totally valid points if I'm an Australian survivor viewer and I maybe don't know

who parvety is or don't know her backstory I haven't seen you know you have such a three four dimensional even view of all of this if I'm just somebody who's watched Australian survivor and I've watched Luke play and dominate in two different seasons and then he comes back and I don't really know who Poverty is. She's like, oh, sure, I know, like, I get it. She's, like, from an American survivor. But I watch Australian Survivor. I can understand why they're disappointed that Luke doesn't win.

No, don't let them off them. It's not about being disappointed because you can have favors. I'm disappointed to Reid and win. It's about not understanding why Poverty played such a great game. It's about attributing her success and her skills to luck or to it being rigged. I saw someone being like, it was clearly rigged. You could tell him the edit. The edit is done after the show, you idiot.

But also, I think for me, it's just like, it's the gender bias that's so clear, more than it's even international. Because at the end of the day, most people didn't know Cass and Tommy before this season. People came away loving Cass and Tommy. You know Parvany now. You saw like a thousand confessions of her. And she played brilliantly here. So if you can't get it from this, you're not trying to see it. And I'd love that to be national because let people have country pride, I guess.

But I do think when Haley B. George, people didn't get it. When Haley played one of the best games, when like she's one of the best players, they didn't get it. And I think that there's something, you know, she seems too quiet of a woman and poverty seems too beautiful. You know what I mean? Like a woman in bikini can't be doing the smartest thing, but she is. And I think that it's so ingrained, we see it all the time. And it really put me in a bad mood when I looked at it yesterday. Well, I'm sorry for that. These are not serious people and, you know, don't give them your attention. You called out a lot of, you know, real issues here. But I, for the most part, I don't think that those are the people we're

talking to. It's actually not. I love preaching to the choir. Um, I mean, to be fair, like, I still think there's some parts of poverty's game. Like, we even discussed it last week, you know, like nuances of what is quite a mature game, what she was trying to do with ripping up the idol stealer that I think even across the spectrum of fandom people don't understand. I think poverty explained it better than I ever could at final tribal council. So I get, again, Again, even my dad gets it now. So I think that, like, at this point, but I still think that there will be people questioning it.

And maybe it's a tall poppy thing. Maybe we don't like when people are that good. Cheers. And I think that we just do well to accept it as an Australian public. I'm saying this for the Australian people, because I feel ashamed as an Australian. You don't need to feel ashamed that you. But I do.

Listen. It's my people, technically. South Africans didn't do great either this season. So I don't know where to sit with it. Okay. Well, this was, such a tour to force from Parvety and she really does come into this season and you know has a lot of people a lot of attention on her from the start and she's able to really be able to you know ride the waves of all

these people that were coming for her and she does it in such a graceful way at the end of the game where she gets the world tribe to vote for her where that the acrimand from the Australian tribe really did spill over to the final tribal council. I thought it was such a big moment in the final tribal council when Sarah brings up

that she had the chance to talk with Kirby and they found out that it was really Janine that was the person and even Luke has a big reaction to finding out that Janine was responsible

for making the Australian team turn on each other. Yeah, I mean, Luke was one who told Janine to do that. Like, so So was he playing in the Final Trauma Council?

Because I thought it really was such a dagger to Janine where he acts like, wait, it was Janine? Yeah, I can't, I'd love to ask him. And I thought if it was intentional, I thought it makes him look bad also because it's like, wait, wait, I don't even know what's going on. Yeah, it's hard to know if he's destroying Janine under the bus.

I thought that was good. Look, it didn't help Janine. So maybe you, like, there are some things where it's like, that's not my circus or my monkeys. But it is possible that, like, they had that conversation, but then maybe they had a subsequent conversation where he was like, maybe don't do it right now. We don't, you know what I'm saying.

Like, it's hard. They did have that conversation, but maybe he didn't think she'd do it then or that she, maybe he told it or not. Like, we saw one conversation. She did do it. Other things may have occurred. So it's hard to know if he was,

but if he was just doing the loop thing. It was great because the running theme of the season has been looping blindsided and to get that in the final tribal council felt thematically correct. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it is it's hard to know and then sarah votes for loop but like sarah's i think always going to vote

for loop because they have many years of many years of friendship but yeah that was a great moment what did you think of that about the not then though we cut to an ad break so you knew it was dramatic yeah not then not then yeah because i thought jeanine had a really good opening statement and we had been hearing so much about how janine is a keynote speaker and she's going to do a really great job and then i thought she really did have a very strong opening statement and really got the tribal council started. I said, okay, maybe there's something here for Janine, but then I just thought that she was like completely unraveled in that

where it was, oh, by the way, yeah, everything you said was good, but you also were responsible for the Australian drive, really just coming apart. But that's like, because she claims her game as loyal. Loyal. And she claims her game as flawless, which maybe part of could do, maybe. but you know you shouldn't you shouldn't do like i think that when you overstate at final tribal council you only give people the opportunity to catch you out you have to be so even parv was doing

it so well you could tell she wasn't overstating anything everything was so considered like i knew the internationals would come for me at a point hard to argue with that you know i think that she and even with tommy she wasn't acting like i was going to work with you so you have to be so you have to really balance under an overstating in final tribal council and I don't think Janine did. And I think the hard thing is when you come in with a game that's harder to defend, then you have to start overstating, right?

You can't be like, I didn't play a great game. But I did, you know what I mean? Like, at that point, then you have to overstate and then people will catch you out, well, if you play a good game, you can like state it all correctly and then people can be on the ride with you in this, like, accurate way.

So that's another really hard part about going there with a game that's harder to defend. Yeah, did Janine make a mistake by sending Luke into the fire? Because then she had to come in, and to really try to pitch herself as my game. Yes, I brought Luke to the end

because my game was about trust and loyalty. That's what gets you to the end. And she was really trying to say that that was my game was all about trust and I had this great trust with Luke. And then for Sarah to say, well, actually, it's all about trust and loyalty. If Janine said, listen, yeah, I loved Luke, but my game was all about number one.

I'm the best business woman in all of Australia and I'll cut deals left and right. I'm looking out for number one. And so I did whatever I could to get here to the end. And if that meant throwing Luke under the bus, if that meant throwing Sarah under the bus, I did it because I'm the shrewdest businesswoman in the world. But then that doesn't line up with the fact that,

okay, you looked out for number one by going to the end with two of the greatest players who have ever played this game, this individual game and the game ever. And we're not going to let two goddamn Americans come in and win Australia. survivor. Not on my watch jury. Australia, we need to stick together. And they would have had a majority of Australians on the jury at that point. We're going to let two people who play in a season, they don't even play for 48 days like we do on Australian television. We're going to get

disgraced. Are you going to let that happen? Not in my country. So you want just like blind patriotism. I mean, listen, you've got to go with what it works. Play the hits, Janine. I think. And I'll tell you what, a vote for me, free smoothies for life. That's good. No, a vote for me, you all get $100,000. That's much. Well, I think that's, you know, now we're, now we're really complete, like, just trouncing on the rules. Well, I mean, if I could drink $100,000 worth of smoothies, then I think I think I really, I think, I really, I think, I think that if you're giving them each $100,000, I think you're paying out more than you're even winning for the prize.

By far, much more. I think you're actually losing at that point. She said it's not about the money. It's not about the money. Brussels once said he'd pay Natalie White for the title, right? I believe he wanted to pay her $10,000 for the title. No. That's such a small amount of money.

I believe that's what he offered. The title's worth a million dollars. Shannon. That's such an insulting offer. I'm telling you that's what. $10,000? He got that for just a meeting of the reneged. I will pay you $10,000 for the title of Soul Survivor.

That's the dumbest thing I've, they still to this day, it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Like you don't have the title if you bought it. Is there like a plaque? Like I don't know. And also 10,000, I mean, that's crazy.

But yeah, anyway, Jeannie, I think if I was to order the arguments, I think like free smoothies. I mean, if you could give them money, I think that would go a long way. Free smoothies. Yeah.

The patriotism thing. Look at these Australians. Have they been patriotic the entire season? But I think it wasn't... Jonathan brought it up at the finale. Yeah, but like everyone kind of wanted the Americans to win. The same way we look at American Survivor, like our big brother that we just love more than ourselves.

I think she should... Like, taking Luke was fine because sitting next to Papi and Surrey is also just so awful. Like, you know, the game was lost. But I think that it needed to be about making Luke her beta and making Luke her puppet and all the things she did better than Luke, like the Kirby vote. I think that that shouldn't differentiate her from Luke. and you can break him to do that.

Okay. But the interesting thing that Janine said to me was that she's worse at fire than Surrey. And we said on the recap yesterday that they should have been voting for Janine. And I feel that even more now. Surrey should have gone to fire against Janine and sat at the end,

which is what you wanted to do. Oh, that's interesting. So you feel like that Surrey and Parvety that instead of putting their votes on Luke, they should have put their votes on Janine. I think Surrey should have done that. I don't think Parvety should do that. I think poverty should do that.

perfect like this but if she can convince poverty who's so loyal like i don't want to make fire against that serri feels really thrown under the bus if uh now that they've they've they've split their votes i think that i think poverty will do it i think if sari asked her yeah yeah yeah part doesn't care poverty loves sari like that's the one thing i've learned you know she was willing to play i don't want sari at the final five which we said last week i didn't even think would happen um so i think that she would do it and then she could make fire against jean she couldn't make fire against Luke. I mean, she did, but like not in time. And Janine said that she was worse than Surrey at fire and they said Luke was the best of fire. So don't you think if you're

going in with like a pretty good chance of making fire, you should vote for the person who can't make fire as good as well? I mean, makes all the sense in the world to me. Yeah, and it can't go badly because if she's with you, it's a two-on-one. Yeah. Which we win anyway. And if she's not with you, you're going to fire against Janine, which is, you would just think that if Surrey wanted to make it to being like she was so worried about Lucan for why are you on you on Instagram Surrey are you one of the people what happens if Surrey's in the final three okay so let let's say okay that they do do that it's Surrey Janine and Parvety in the final three how does that change is Parvety still win or no I think so I mean it's hard

without seeing Surrey's pitch and I don't think going to the end with poverty was well I think Surrey probably is going to get Tom is going to get the internationals is going to get Tommy and she's good so I feel like that gives Surrey three votes And Lisa. I think Cass loved poverty. We kind of missed this part of the story that like Tommy loved Tony and Lisa love Surrey and Cass love poverty. She says when she votes for her, you're what made me love Survivor to begin with.

I think that definitely Cass could go to poverty. I think Shawnee could go to poverty. I think Sarah at that point could go to poverty. I think Luke goes to Janine. And then Kirby goes to poverty. Depends how good Suria is. And it depends how much Lisa's there like, I'll kill you all. you'd vote for Surrey

which I would not blame her for that so I think poverty comes in leading I really do but Surrey shouldn't have gone to the end with poverty like that mistake's been made you know I'm already I've criticized that already but like at the final four

if what you want to do is sit at the end even in a final three format that I don't love for you structure then loops the least of your concerns you're already dealing with poverty we'll have to deal with that tomorrow vote out Janine and then oh wait sorry so

it wouldn't be Janine It would be Luke. Oh, it would be Luke. Sorry. Luke would be there. So Sarah might go to Luke. Well, why is Luke there? I thought we said that it's the way that they could have done it was. They fire out Janine. So sorry. So Luke get back at Sarah and Janine. Okay.

Parvety might get, it might be the 3-22 that Micronesia promised us very long ago. Parvety might get Shawnee, Cass, and Kirby, and maybe Surrey gets Tommy and Lisa. and it comes down to Cass's vote in like a 3-2-2. If Luke is there, taking some votes from poverty, like a Sarah vote. Yeah. I don't hate it. Then it comes down to Cass. Maybe Ceres speaks brilliantly.

I still go in leaning poverty, but very interesting. You can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's. No powders, no blenders, no shakers. Starting at 17 grams per medium latte, Tim's new protein lattes, protein without all the work. Participating Restaurants in Canada. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure.

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and ultimately she comes in, fourth place finish. We see Surrey go out at four in fire again. So now we're out of new ways for Surrey to creatively lose Survivor. So we're just going back to the top of the order, back to old school Panama. I had thought perhaps... No, don't do that. No.

What? You think it starts again? I don't know. So you think surprise, final three and survive the 50? You think you think that we're in... Wow. Oh, I didn't do this. Like, what a treat for the fans it would be to like, hey, you all asked us so much for a final two.

No, no, no. It's back, baby. We did it. And then unfortunately, I mean, if that's what happens... I can't do another advantage get in and Survivor 70. No, not again. Not the cycle. Oh, we're in hell. We're actually in hell.

Okay. So just to go back to Surrey, I had wondered aloud when Surrey was making the fire against Sarah. I'm like, uh, sirie throwing this to get out Tony. I have to say, no, absolutely not. No, she made a fire this time. She did. She did make a fire. And so.

It's been almost 20 years. Also, I'll say, Luke, not that good at making fire. imagine how bad Janine must be yeah so Luke was just like making like a pile like Luke did not actually seem like he knew what he was doing I have more notes on Luke in the fire making

than sorry what was he doing wrong just throwing sticks around I don't know it just like was like a panic of just like throwing I'm just gonna throw a bunch of trash in there and see what happened he just threw every like made a pile yeah

the pile work though. Okay, how can we criticize the piles? You know, I do think that maybe we're sort of spoiled, but I do think that the average new era survivor contestant who knows the Final Four firemaking is going to be a thing comes in incredibly prepared. So I think that these Final Four firemakings that we see

in New Era Survivor, that these people are really at the top of their game and that it was not impressive. Compared to the people who don't watch the show on this season. yeah like the new era nerds are all like practicing fire in their backyard yeah doing like there's where you been doing that yeah it just seems like that yeah the average uh new era survivor contestant is going to come in uh just teeny just trounce his luke in the

final four fire making every new era contestant yeah sam phalan just like it wouldn't be close but anyway so for suri to go out here at the final Final four. Surrey, I felt like, does not get like a starring role here in this season. I think that if this was a movie, this is like the romantic comedy, Parvety is the lead. Surrey is supportive best friend. And you're right. She's so much more than that.

She deserves so much more. I feel like I'm always frustrated in every show. Other than the traders, she was, she got a lot on that. She did. I could always use more, Surrey. We needed more because everything she gives us so good. Like, why isn't she just constantly talking? I don't know.

That's a note that I have. Not enough Surrey. Yeah. It seems like that, you know, Parvety certainly got like the starring billing in the season. And of course, she goes on to win. But Surrey, I think, is always just featured in the season as like a supporting role more so than the co-lead with Parvety. We've always said about a strain survivor. where they struggle to edit duos.

And usually that would be getting kind of nothing to what Parvety got. So it's actually a kind of a credit to Zaree that she got as much as she did. And they've been probably a bit better about it lately. But yeah, it is, I think it should have been more, it could have built up the fact that like we started the cycle again and this heartbreak is going to happen.

Like, they could have built Surrey up a lot more than they did, I think. Yeah. For Surrey, where do you think it ultimately goes wrong here in this season? the double tribal was bad she kind of never recovered from that yeah like was in the driver's seat and then she wasn't after that she loses lisa he's not in control you know she does a vote out janine she still got to vote it out i'm now really thinking about that three two too but um yeah i feel like at that point like it really did become poverty season poverty just played that one night so well solely so well and everyone else was not good and she just won it there so i thought this was

super interesting going back to I thought you had an amazing interview with Parvety and you and she brought up the advantage and how it got played because it came up at this final tropical council and she talked about how she bluffed Cass

and I thought there was such a fun part of the conversation where you two were talking about it and she said cast was going to go play an idol and she's like okay oh well I have an idol steal and she just started reading the note

and then she read the first two lines and then she got to the third line about how it was, oh, you actually have to play this before the votes are cast and she just stopped reading that. Yeah, well, yeah, she forgot the rules. She forgot the rules.

She does it. She was like, okay, well, hey, oh wait, she's trying to steal my idol. Oh, hold on, I have something for this. Hold on a second. And you just read it. And then Jonathan tried to get her to like, oh, and Parbany, what does that last part say? And she told you that, and then she just didn't read the last part of the big. So that was, you know, so interesting how that unfolded.

She was like, this note can't stop me because I can't read. Yeah. Just like, but she just like had the chutzpah to just like, oh no, I'm just going to like act like this is what it's supposed to do. Yeah. It's brilliant. And she bluffed right on the spot. And it worked for everyone. She didn't know the rules of the idol, see her.

She didn't know the names. You kept calling it knowledge of power. Right. But she, like in the moment is just improvving of like, like, basically she went to the store and tried to like use a coupon that was like, oh, no, you can't use this today. And she's like, when does that expire? Like, oh, next week.

Oh, okay, go, you're fine. I had this moment last week. Can I share a story? Please. I went to pick up our good friend, Asia, and her girlfriend, Sarah, from the airport. And for many reasons, their luggage was not there. We had to go back to the airport an hour later. And they went to get their luggage.

And then we were in the parking place for more than 15 minutes. So I was going to have to pay for parking. I'm like, you were not making me pay for parking. When I had to come back to get their luggage, so I, like, rung the bell. I'm like, hey, they told us we don't have to pay for parking. They're like, who told you? I'm like, the guy. They're like, what do you say?

They're like, ask me these specific questions. Asia's like, you're better than me because I would have. have folded right there. And I was like, I was like, they said we don't have to. I think because we're just over, they maybe didn't validate it. He's like, usually they'd validate it. I was like, they did it. Did you validate this for me? Yeah. Eventually, they let us, they just let us out. I was so proud of myself. Yeah. You're ready. We didn't pay that $10 or however much it would have been in international parking. And we shouldn't have. They lost the luggage. Why? Anyway, but yeah. So I get it. Sometimes you just have to be, like he asked me, I didn't panic. I just said

The guy said it. The guy that works at luggage. Yeah. Steve. His name. I think it was, was it Steve? Is there a Steve?

I don't know if there's a Steve at the airport. Yeah. So I think poverty and I did something pretty similar with her bluff and I got out of the airport party. Her power. Yeah. My power. How impressive that I did that. Yeah.

You don't seem impressed enough. But Asia was impressed. Sarah was impressed. I mean, you got out of paying what, $10 at the airport? It would have been more. It's so expensive at the airport, Rob. Yeah. That was my second time at the airport in two hours.

Impressive. And I got really lost going home. Yeah. It was quite a night. You had to be there. But anyway, that's the story of the airport. What were we talking about in Barbies Bluff? Barberty's Bluff.

Yeah. And now she did it. Yeah. Just got to keep it cool. Calm under pressure. I understand now because I did that. So one of the things I noticed that when we got to the finale, we started talking about that we were playing for the

title of who's the greatest player of all time? I didn't know that that was on the line this season. I felt that we kind of retcon this. If Janine wins, is Janine the greatest survivor player of all time?

If you wins like poverty did, maybe. I just felt like, okay, I wait, hold on. I thought we're, like, I didn't know this was like, we're playing for the greatest player of all time. I thought it was Australia versus the world. I didn't know that we were playing for the title of greatest player of all time. So the global title is what they said.

Do you think Jeff likes this? No. Jeff is going to go back and edit in for 50 that it's for the greatest player of all time. Now, okay. Now, if we're talking about Parvety specifically, and now we're adding this to Parvety's resume, I think that now I think, okay, now we have a case for the greatest player of all time.

I just didn't know that, like, that they set up this finale of like, and then the winner will find out who will be the greatest player of all time. Like, hold on a second. Yeah, it was weird because of Scrant Survivors if Tommy won the season,

he's the greatest survivor player of all time. If Tommy came in and won in a second language, maybe. How are these players winning? If Tommy does that, if he takes that part,

yes, okay? Bravo, Tommy. I guess so. I guess so. But there has been a lot of... They should have been the world champion.

It shouldn't be greatest of all time. Sure, sure. I feel like, that was like a winners of war thing. That makes sense for winners. I think that you do, you do world champs. The only way to do greatest of all

times you get every player who's ever played in any survive and you just throw them on a beach yeah because to me i feel like that this was sort of like um it was this was like a world cup type situation where you know this is not necessarily like the league that you are are playing in but this was like some sort of like world exhibition on on the world stage to have people play from these different formats come together Yeah. I mean, I don't know much about sport. But, yeah, I mean, people said it was like the Olympics, but it's like the Olympics. Right, where, you know, you play, say like in the NBA and then there's basketball like in the Olympics, but like is the team that you're playing against in the Olympics the equivalent of who you're playing in the NBA finals? Probably not.

This is so above my pay grade, Rob. Is that true? I don't want to get too much in the weeds on the analogy here. I want to talk about the Parvety case for the greatest of all time. Because with a second title, it is a very strong case because that Parvety does not have the glaring weakness of anybody else to be able to. Because she's so good at so many of the things that she does. Specifically the endurance competition where I just think that she's the best. to ever do it. Yeah, I think he is the most comprehensive player of all time.

I think that's easy. Great is, I mean, does Tony have glaring flaws anymore wrong? Since he, since game changes in winners of war and even this even this even, have we seen flaws from Tony anymore? He's a more extreme player. He's a more extreme person. He's had the, he's had the losses more so. I guess I was going to compare Tony and Parvety specifically, you know, uh, Tony, I

actually feel like is not as great of a individual challenge threat as Parvety is. Tony is strong and Tony can certainly like hold his own. You want a lot in winners at war. He did win a lot in winners at war. I have to go back and take a look at the actual challenges that he did. I know he did win at least an endurance challenge in winners at war. But I just think that Parvety has just a sheer, you know, magnetism to. her that Tony does not have that.

I think Tony has, is very endearing. He's endearing, for sure. He has gotten a lot of jury votes, a lot of jury votes. I mean, he had big juries. He had a really big jury and winters at war. People want to vote for Tony. I think like it's, I think he does have like a sparkly social game. I don't know that anyone compares to Pav's charisma.

She might be the most charismatic person. Yeah. in the world. Tony is a performer. I was with Tony in, I'm trying to remember. So it was back in the spring. You don't remember?

I'm trying to remember. Like, listen. You were with Tony? Times a flat circle. I'm trying to remember if it was the fall of the spring. It was February. And we had, they had the beach drop for Survivor 49.

Surrey was there also. Oh my God, stop it. I won't hang up. Tony and Surrey were both there. And just Tony was, just holding court and he's such a performer and that he's that's such a great environment for poverty doesn't hold court parvety that's not how poverty works parvety is just sort of like a a force of being that she is the sun and people are just drawn in by her gravity where when she like

puts her spell on you she just can you know pull these people in that's not necessarily how Tony works. Yeah, it's different, but I think both are amazing. I think, I think poverty is charisma. It's like, she, she can charisma her way out of anything. She's like, any speedy ticket, dare I say, airport parking, maybe. I think that she, I think, like, even you see that question that Cass asks, like, I think Mike said, like, the trademark poverty giggle will get, you know, like, that's a hard question to answer about which jury votes are you going to get. And it's like, well, Kirby, you know, and then she does a smile. And it's like, that's not insulting. That's a and it's reciprocated.

Yeah. Kirby really throws a softball to Parvety at the Final Tribal Council of like, were you ever really going to work with me? I was like, Kirby, stand up. Where's the Kirby? Where's the Kirby from Titans versus Rebels? What do you mean?

Where's the Kirby from the first half of this season? Yeah. Kirby, like, I feel like lost all like self-respect of just like, like, Parvety. voted you out like but but you did really like me right right firstly how dare you

stand up Kirby come on secondly Ferris is ashamed no I don't think so I'm joking no but can you blame Kirby can you blame her have you seen the black widows web

have we been here for decades Kirby did Kirby has not seen the black widow's web for the record Yeah, she definitely hasn't. She should. It's a great season. But I think that, but she, like, I don't know.

I think that's too harsh on Kirby. I think saying that she's like a Jason Sisker, it's like way too insulting for Kirby. How did you like a Jason Siska? If she fell into the web, like an Eric. Mm-hmm. I don't think she's like that. I don't think that she got overawed by Parvety. I don't think she didn't get duped by Parvety.

She just, like, so desperately, like, wanted, you know, poverty to say that, like, oh, no, no, I actually, I really did like you. Which is the saddest thing because I'm like that with Kirby. Mm-hmm. Like, I spoke to Kirby and she was like, oh, do you think Kirby respects that? No, I think this is actually a really embarrassing story, but she called me and she was saying how she sometimes comes to Sydney

and we should get lunch. Yeah. And I was like, oh, if you come to Sydney, we should do the deep dive in person. And then I realized they hadn't responded to lunch. So I texted her after the call and I said, oh, sorry, I realized I didn't respond about lunch. I would be really keen to get lunch.

And then she didn't reply, Rob. Desperation is a stinky cologne. She's doing it to poverty. Can she relate to the fact that I just want to get lunch with her? That's poverty's power. Even Kirby, even Kirby, who you never would have thought was capable of being reduced to that kind of desperation. That's what she, that's how powerful poverty is. How pathetic am I that I'm doing that?

Even more pathetic. Yes, pathetic exceptioned. But still able to get through airport parking payments. Yeah, well, that guy obviously, he's the most pathetic. So let's tier rank. Poverty, is like least pathetic. Parvety not pathetic at all, then Kirby, then you, then the guy at the airport. The airport guy.

Yeah. God forbid, who knows who's falling for that guy? Shame. It was fine. It was actually nice. It was nice. Thank you, Steve. Oh, no, Steve was the other guy.

There was no Steve. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Stevie from Titans versus Rebels? Champions versus contenders. That would be shocking. It's more likely to be like Jerry, people who work at the airport. Yeah, Jerry.

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Will we see this again? You know what I said? I've loved you for decades. That ends tonight. Yes. What's the future? What do you mean like another season? Yeah, will we do this again?

I hope so. I did hear that the amazing race is already getting better. ratings in it though. How upsetting is that? You did hear that the amazing race is getting better ratings than Australian Survivor versus the world. Yeah, I think it's better than every single episode of it. Wow. I mean, is the amazing race beloved in Australia? It's not. They have celebrities, but then, so during the episode, I was watching the finale, it's like amazing race coming on Monday. And then it had like a list of the celebrities and the top one was like

Steph Curry and I was like, oh my God, there's an actor named Stephen Curry. Like, isn't that false advertising? Are you joking? Like, how many people are tuning in for Steph Curry? So maybe that's why it got such good rating. Like, if we were going to have Survivor, I don't even, I clearly know nothing about sports, but I know that's someone important. Like, I think people would tune in. Maybe more Survivor players need to be called like Denzel Washington or something. You know what I mean? Like, maybe we just need to be changing the names of the players. People would tune in, be like, Denzel. Okay.

So you think that that should be a gimmick that Survivor does of cast people with the same name as, like, famous people? Yes. Yes. I think the way we did have a show like that on CBS called, like, I get that all the time of people that had like the same name as famous people. Right. They can't be baking to the premise that they're not the famous people. You've got to be showing up expecting it's like George Clooney. But it's just George who works at the airport.

That George. Different George. Not Steve that worked at the airport. Not Steve Martin. No, he's in baggage. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's bring it back. Wait, no. Do we want to see it again? Yeah. I think we're on track. Do you want to see it again? Yeah, I would do this again. I think that this would be exciting to have this back.

I mean, we have no shortage of American survivors that would go and do it. I think we have no shortage of Australian survivors that would come back and play. Here's the debate. You wanted to be U.S. versus Australian survivor, which it was meant to be. Yes. I think the global angle worked. I mean Listen I was excited I was thrilled for Lisa

And I don't know if I've said if I've given Lisa enough praise on this podcast Because I thought that she brought so much to the season And sure and Rob Bentelay was like an iconic first boot I don't know ultimately Tommy cast were fine They were fine They were great how dare you But if this was also if instead of Tommy and Cass, this was

you know, Tyson and Kelly Wentworth also there, like I know you said a couple, two weeks ago that Rob, it is already as good as it can be. It can't be any better. But I would argue to, I would

argue to you that in fact could be better still. I've loved my time getting to know Cass and Tommy through the 82 episodes I watched of them and then the 10 here and look I think it's not about the actual players though this was Tommy Westman instead of Tommy from Finland should be Tommy Cruz then people would tune in that's what it is

okay maybe maybe should have changed his name and maybe that's what anyway and what I'm saying is that it's not just about the people it's cool that it's global like maybe that's a me thing because I'm literally the global survivor correspondence the fact that there's an opportunity for people from canceled franchises. Like the fact that there's this like real international element, the fact that this community has been so global and it's so good. You know, Survive South Africa is so good.

Some of these seasons are so good across the world. And we can expand our knowledge base. And I learned more and I saw different franchises through this. Like I think there's something really cool about that. Would I not like AU versus US and has legends on, of course I would love that. But I think that the global angle also really worked for what it was thematically, even beyond the players, although I did also enjoy the international players.

Yeah. You can say you enjoyed the international players, but it should have been all U.S. people. I think that there's definitely room to do this. I think it would have been very exciting if they do it again. Okay. Jonathan Lopaglia, his final episode of hosting Australian Survivor. Yes. Yes.

What do you want to say? No, you just watched the episode, so I can tell you what you maybe haven't seen. Did you see that the final three? Oh, you saw. Yeah, I mean, I didn't read the comments, but there was no not seeing everything. But you saw it was their JLP? Oh, no, I didn't see that that was. Okay, cool.

So you can experience that on the camera. Because I told Chappelle right before the podcast, and I was kicking myself because I'm like, we need to. I think you were going to say that JLP was at Parvite's watch party. I did see that too. Zach Werdenberger told me that he named drop me to him. Yes, what did he say? He was talking about one of the things I said on the podcast about my theory about why they were going to the end with poverty.

And I said, did he know who I was? And Zach said yes. How cool is that? Yeah. I mean, I'm coming off desperate again. I hear it. So I just want to make sure I'm following this. So Zach Wurttberger was talking to JLP.

And JLP quoted something that you said on the podcast. No, Zach quoted. Zach said to, yeah, and JLP seemed to register that he knew who I am. Oh, okay. Yeah, of course he knows who you are. After all the years of you covering the show, you're an institution. That's so kind. Me?

You've never interviewed JLP? I have. But how many people have interviewed JLP? Do you think you remember being interviewed by me in the famous interview of, I think 2021 when he got banned from being interviewed by me after that? You think you remembers that? It's a little vague, but, yeah, I'm sure he knows who you are. And so- Well, apparently.

Yeah. But the Janine Luke poverty thing, J-L-P. J-L-P, yeah, very, very interesting. No, no, have a better react. Come on, Rob. J-L-P, what are the odds of that? That's so low. J-L-P, the final three.

Yes. I told you maybe you just weren't getting it because you're not ready. No, I got it. That's so cool. So cool. An interesting footnote, for sure. Okay. Yeah, so you wanted to say about JLP.

Well, I mean, this was his final episode of hosting Australian Survivor. Do you feel like that the show gave him a proper send-off? Well, they didn't know they were sending it off, him off, and he also didn't know that he was being fired. So, no. Right. What were they meant to say? I don't know. I mean, that they could have, like, done some kind of an end card of like.

Like a postscript. Yeah. Thank you, Jonathan LaPaglia, like her 10 years of service. us hosting Australian Survivors should they have done anything like that? No, because they fired him and it's been so negative like it's literally like

I don't recall saying good luck I would enjoy if it was like some a movie montage thing you know like it's like well I'm hopeful yes I am and it just like picture of JLP

it like freezes on him and it's like JLP went on to host this we don't want to make it look like that he has passed so it is probably a little bit of a tricky thing to navigate.

They could do, they could say dedicated to JLP, brackets 2017 to 2025, and then brackets again of Survivor, brackets again, he's still alive, brackets again, we fired him. Yeah. I don't think they should acknowledge what they did to JLP. Yeah. Oh yeah, you're right. I forget about it. Wow.

Look at the stupid things I say. I forgot Papaddy was on winners at war in a podcast last week. Listen. Thank you so much for picking it up. I would have annoyed you. You have a lot of things going on. No, it's not the baby brain. That's not fair.

I'm just, I'm just stupid and desperate, clearly. No. Shannon, come on. Well, do you think they should have done more? What could they have done? I don't know. I have a montage idea. It just kind of came and went.

This was the final episode of Australian Survivor that's hosted by Jonathan LaPaglia. Yeah, but he didn't know that. So how bad would you feel if you're hosting and then they're like, JLP, here's this bottle of champagne. and he's like, why? If it's not just the end of a season, I'll see you next season, they're like, no.

Well, how about this? What was the highlight of JLP's hosting? Was there anything that got added to the JLP pantheon from this season? Like, what was his best moment or two from this season? People really liked the Final Seven Challenger Tribal Council where he was talking about the balls. He was saying, like, if your balls separate, you'll be crying or something. thing? Yeah.

If your balls spread too far apart, you'll be in tears, I believe. Was what he said. Yeah. It'll end in tears. So you remember it. Yeah. It'll end in tears. So there you go.

It was foreshadowing that the season would end in tears, really, for him. Yes. Yes. So, but it shouldn't be all ball puns, right? Like, that's not the whole legacy. Like, JLP's a lot more than bull pun. No, of course not. Yeah.

I loved his whole way. His whole chemistry with the whole cast was amazing. Yeah. Well, how about just JLP as a... I know you've already done so much commemorating JLP as a home. But what do you feel like, especially because, you know, we have so much of Jeff to compare him to. What do you feel like is the biggest difference between Jeff and JLP as the host as Survivor?

I think JLP is a little more down to earth. Mm-hmm. I think Jeff is like Jeff. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like JLP feels more on the level of the players. Mm-hmm. And it's like that kind of banter. I think he kind of brings,

he brings definitely an Australian rugged charm to it. Yes, I agree. But yeah, I think it's like that there's more, that more like kind of almost casual chemistry. Not that Jeff doesn't have that, but Jeff is like, Jeff, he's almost like a god, you know? And I think JLP's kind of in it with the players.

Yeah, I think that Jeff as a host really does try to vacillate between, the two extremes of that he has like sort of like hey tough cop enforce the rules got nothing for you like there's that side of Jeff sorry for you I'm gonna really you know I'm the heavy I'm the bad guy but then there's also the part of Jeff of like the exploration of the human condition and I don't really think that JLP really does that second thing of like what does this mean to be like a you know as so you know we see it so much with the lots of ones visits but also like a tribal council explain this to me what does this mean uh i i feel like that jlp is like a little

bit more like nuts and bolts about trying to stick to like what does this mean for the game yeah and he loves the game yeah not that jeff doesn't but i think jlp is more like a man of the people Like, I think he's a bit more attached to us and what we want. And Jeff, like, doesn't, he's not into that. Right. So, yeah, I think that Jeff's a little above it. And JLP's kind of, like, down here with us. And I think that maybe production didn't like that, possibly.

I don't know. Hard to say. Because he was ours, and now he's gone. Yeah. I'd love to just, before we talk about the chizzy points and the confessional charts and all the goodies that you have, I just want to, like, circle back to part. And, you know, what this win means for her Survivor legacy?

Well, he says it's the last time ever. Yeah. Do you believe that? I don't know. So did Shawnee. And then I whittled her down in one interview in 12 minutes. So I think he's playing come back all the time. I'm trying to think of what the circumstances would be for Parvety to do some kind of, you know.

Legends. Yeah. Yeah. You think she's not there if they're getting like Sandra and Tony and like all of those people again? If there was some kind of like, and I know that Winners at War was kind of that, but if it was like, this is it, this is like the final time of like, we're retiring these players and have them come back.

I could see it again. Yeah. I think everyone says, I mean, like, what was the whole wish list last year was like, well, that person's definitely out. We've heard from sources. I think some of those people are on 50, like on 50. Yes. So I don't believe any of these players.

and I don't want to believe them. Yeah. But I think, I mean, the legacy, she spoke about it so well. You know, it was a deep personal hurt for her to lose Samoa. And I think we don't think about that enough. You know, in all of the Stan wars

of who should have won Samoa. Like at the end of the day, Poverty was a 26-year-old woman who played Survivor three times and three years and won and had the perception of her always questioned and her game questioned. And she loses there. She's been through this really traumatic experience

with Russell, which sounds like I'm kidding, but I'm not. And I don't know. I look back at that now and I think that would have been a lot. Like, no wonder this is like healing for her and it's like at a completely different part of her life. And winners at war wasn't the, you know, wasn't following up on that in a way that felt right. This is like such a great combination of all of that for her when she felt like she had unfinished business.

So, I mean, that's amazing for her and it's amazing from a story perspective. And I think it's great for the franchise. Not to mention healing from Dondy. I mean, was Dondy, like, was that a bad experience? I mean, probably good in some ways, but, you know, she did come up short on Dondy. I mean, it is pretty amazing that coming away from it, it's sort of like, I think about, like, Boston, Robin Tyson, who both kind of get just out of the game due to Tyson's mistaken vote, and then they both go on to win Survivor for David and Parvety, you know,

works out where that only one of them can win, but somehow they both end up with a win only a couple of weeks after Dandhi. Yeah, and also, Poverty was also on that villain's tribe. Yeah. That's the tribe is crazy. That is like the success rate on the villains before and after. Sure, sure, you know, probably the greatest tribe of all time ever assembled.

Yeah. And now Poverty has another win. It's absurd. Yeah. Yeah. So it feels right. It's, I mean, we talked about heroes versus villains in the longest podcast in RHAP history four years ago. And I remembered how, I mean, not that I forgot, I was like, damn, Harvey's so cool.

She's the coolest person ever. Of course Kirby feels that way. Can you blame? No, I don't blame it for a second. So to see that now and also what it means to her to be in like this period of her life, decades later, what she's gone through, to know, like, oh, I've got it even more. you know and like that assurance in herself must be amazing i think that's so cool and i yeah as a poverty fan i think it's amazing i think it's great for survivor great for survive the yeah for like the legacy of survivor like it's really cool it's good that poverty is a two-time winner

that feels right yeah and so we got it all like we did it and it's perfect it just took decades but we got there yeah so a second title for poverty and Now, Parvety and Tony and Sandra become the only people to have won it twice. Yeah, I'm seeing those discussions on Twitter already. What discussions are you seeing? Like, who's the best? I'm like, they're all great in different ways. Like, you know, anyway, but this is, I think, the debate now.

Listen, the thing about Survivor. Sandra's getting tagged in comments. Yeah. The other thing that was happening on Instagram. Has she weighed in? Has Sandra commented on the season? I don't think so. But like in like negative comments like take that Sandra fans

I'm like don't do that No let's not do that We're better than that No you don't do that Then they make up in the traders as well Like it's all good Yeah I think they're fine Yeah

You know Survivor is A stupid game And it's one that you could be the best player in the world And you could do all these things well And then people then will target you for being the best at all these things.

So you need to have certain weaknesses that people feel like, okay, well, I don't have to vote you out. And that's camouflage. And then also how good you are at camouflaging is a skill. So every strength is a weakness. Every weakness is a strength. It's very hard to parse who is actually the best because you could be so good at all the things that that's actually.

a weakness yeah yeah I think it's and and having enough weaknesses is actually a strength that yes your brain will break so who's the best of the three of the three yeah if I had to sort of put my chip on one of those three to win in a future season I was kind of joking because you're like this is unrankable no well I would say that if I if I had to put a chip on the three on one of the three I would now say I would put it on Parvety where I feel like that Sandra's strength is her ability to hide, you know, I kind of feel like the but I think that Parvety showed that she doesn't necessarily need to hide. She can sort of like get through in plain sight and then ultimately, you know, win these challenges at the end of

the season to be able to do it where Tony can just like outrun you. Sandra can hide and poverty could just stand there in plain sight and you know it's sort of there's an interesting though like it's like a rock paper scissors with those three yes yes um some would say out would out play out last but i don't think it's a perfect i don't think it's a perfect three you know tony's the roadrunner he's like meet me like he's you know it's hard to catch him he's a greased pig uh you know you need to be able to really like okay everybody like this is what we're doing we're going to get tony out uh you know know, Sandra is the person she's going to disappear.

And, you know, Parvety, you know, it's just the person that she's standing right. She's right there. Somebody do something. Somebody get her. And you can't. Yeah, it's like Tony in the spotlight. Sandra's in the shadows. But poverty might be like just right.

Mm-hmm. You know, like in the Goldilocks analogy. That might, that might be true. Is that right? Is that something? Is it Goldie? It's got to be something to this. Yeah.

Is Tony too hot, Sanders too cold in poverty is just right? I mean, look, it worked out this season. And I think that it was such a great tour to force from Parvety where that people knew she was a threat. And they still couldn't do anything. They still couldn't touch her. And so the only scenario in which you're going to get Parvety is something like a winners at war where she gets swapped screwed to a group where everybody is sort of like, you know, Nick and Yule and Wendell are just like, all right, we are voting out poverty tonight, right, right, you know.

Yeah, which is interesting because a lot of the people on, I think even Twitter are trying to take away from poverty by being like, well, it was set up for her. She had Surrey, she had a majority of women. It's like Luke, who lost, knew a majority of people on the Australian tribe, like had relationships. David was out second and he had so many relationships. Like poverty came in with one kind of negative relationship,

for Tony and sorry and then like and was otherwise like a known factor which she had a negative relationship with Tony I feel like sort of like a nothing relationship with Tony well she extorted him she didn't vote for him to win like he spoke about this in the X interview like it was maybe slightly negative to kind of neutral yeah but like that's not a relationship going in and if anything all these other icons were taken out really early and poverty survived it yeah so that's so impressive. Like, it was, and also she was in a minority U.S. tribe from the beginning. I mean, so it actually wasn't a great cause for her. If you're going to take anything away for poverty, like, it's a, you're really stretching to say like this was anything but

super impressive for poverty. But they're doing it. They're doing it, Rob. Listen, that says more about them than it says about us. Yes, but when does that ever stop me from complaining about it? Yeah. I mean, people will come up with. with, you know, people have to be contrarian. They don't think that, anyway, you're right. You are right. But this is nothing but a celebration for us. It's a celebration for poverty.

Again, it's celebration for all the Survivor fans. And most of all, it's a celebration for you, Shannon, where you got to interview Tony, you got to interview Parvety, and you will get the interview, Surrey. I might. I might do it. I think you will I think it's going to happen

okay I hope so I know so all right let's talk about your charts Shannon yes do we have the shots I think we have them I see them over here

as okay let's go ahead let's look at this first chart here this is the chizzy points for the season yes so as we can see am I

frozen? You are frozen, but we hear you perfectly. Okay. I'm still frozen. You're frozen, but keep going. Keep going. Don't make it about that. Okay, okay, okay. Poverty won by a lot. Poverty got 33 points. So it's going to be really convenient. Ceree has 25? 325 and then Lisa 13, Luke 12, Janine 11. JLP got two points. Did you see that? Does that what happened with the cat auction? No, I did it. Oh, okay. The cat option. When did JLP get two points? What did you do?

I gave him in the, in the, I just love him. The Rachel Johnson won the chizzy raffle, and she did not break the chizzy. So I gave JLP two points. Okay. Yeah, I mean, this, this tracks. This is right. This feels right. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So that's the Chizzy Charts. Poverty won. Congratulations. Well, well learned. We can look at the confessionals. Okay. I think it's going to be a lot of Poverty again.

It's a very dominant season. Okay, is this, do we have that chart also? Okay, or we'll, whenever, whenever we get to it, tell me about the confessional chart. Well, I'm interested to know, okay, here we go. This is from Carl Dari, and also thank you to Randy Neupil for the chili charts all season, really appreciate it. Okay. So, David got 15 confessionals. Now, what I find really impressive is that almost everyone in the merge got more than David.

It's very rare in Australian Survivor for an early, like, major boot. Like last season was like Nash got like more than half the jury. That's not bad, right? It's not too bad. So what, give me the totals here because. Poverty is on, I think, 64. 64 for Poverty, 41 for Luke, 21 for Janine. 41 for Luke.

So they were kind of, yeah. And then how much is it? So 26 for Sarat. So wasn't enough. Yeah. If we could, Sam, if you could just go all the way to the end because it's going off of my screen. Okay, then we get, Surrey has, what, 20, a lot, 26.

Yeah. You know, it is, you know, that's. This is a very well good for Australian Survivor, although possibly the poverty. And poverty was giving such good stuff, though. I just feel like we needed more from everyone else. Yeah. Tommy robbed.

Yeah, it's Australian Survivor. At one point, it was a true runaway for poverty with the confessionals, but it ends up. Yeah, it's even up a bit. It even up a bit, even up a bit, even if it was not super in doubt that poverty was going to take it away. Even if you would combine Luke and Janine, you wouldn't get to as much as poverty, but even so. Like, that's the Australian Survivor. Welcome to the Newbies. Welcome.

Welcome. Okay. Shannon, anything else you want to say as it pertains to. Australian Survivor versus the world and on mitigated success What do you do have something? I mean I've talked a lot about this

No I feel like it was basically You know we came into it And you know It was super exciting to start I mean we sort of like Saw the writing on the wall Going into week three Into week four

Congratulations to Parvity Yeah well said Yeah All right And goodbye JLP Goodbye to JLP And I'm trying to see For my notes

And now the song Now the and then we see JLP You know what I mean JLP went on to have a happy life That's what they should have done Yes Okay

He attended poverty's finale party He did What does he split time in Los Angeles I don't know Yes I mean I guess so I guess so

Yeah All right Shannon And what's next for you after all this? So many things had to write them down. So I'm hoping to speak to three. I don't know if you heard. Yes.

So the recaps out, the exits with Janine and Poverty are out, as talked about. So Rhee were hoping cast we're getting, unless it gets canceled. I don't know what we're getting anymore. I don't think we're getting Luke. Then I'm hoping to get deep dives. We are in talks with Poverty. So hopefully that will happen. And then maybe others.

Tell me about the tenor of the talks. It's via email mostly Well actually I messaged poverty And then she got back to me And she said email me And then I emailed her And I'm yet to hear back

Okay But She seemed keen and she followed me today on Instagram All right Yeah she followed me on Instagram So I'm like I'm dying All right

Well I'll keep my fingers crossed I'll see if I can put in a good word for you That would be great I mean I think I'm doing pretty well I'm thinking I'm kind of airport parking this right now. You got this. No, I want, I do.

I could only screw it up for you. People should DM Poverty and be like, go on RCHP. Do it. Anoyer. That's the way to get what you want. Yeah. I feel like probably don't bully and peer pressure the contestants. Not peer pressure.

Oh, poverty, I love your game. I'd love if you would talk with Shannon on R&JP. That'd be mean. Yeah. Don't it make us look bad? I think you're doing great. Thank you. So what else?

We're going to cover 49 on the We No Global Survivor feed. I'm starting a podcast, mentioned on the recap, Gus and Around. Yes. What will you do on the podcast? Well, Peter and I are going to talk about things, life, more like a generalized fun show. We're going to have fun. We're going to have not fun sometimes. Not fun sometimes.

Maybe. That's not a great pitch. No, it's always going to be fun. It's always going to be interesting. and it's often fun and you can already subscribe at gussing around podcast on YouTube and then there's going to be a feed

if you just follow me at Shannon Gates I will share all of it when it happens very soon or we have a mic, we're setting up microphones, we're setting up a whole P, we are such a strong way. Is there a second G at the end of gussing around

or use a gussin apostrophe around? Gussing around podcast, no second G. No apostrophe? I mean, not in the like app. Got it. Not in like the, you know, but like in the actual thing, yes.

We have a graphic which Sam does have if he could still put it up if he wants to but by Rio Teks who does great survivor art and that was commissioned

we have a theme song that I wrote and then Will from America did the piano part Oh that's so nice what a throwback for you and Will from America to collaborate

Yeah you'll hear it soon A true Australian Survivor versus the world collaboration of United States and Australia coming together So you and your husband Peter

you are expecting parents, you are podcasting together, and you're just going to talk about what's going on in life, all the airport parking people that you fleece? Oh, Sam God, this is gusting around. That's the graphic. How good is that? Very good. Yeah, very happy with it.

It's not AI. I would never. Okay. Commission. Yeah, so I think we're going to talk about, like, everything like it is like we're in this like interesting stage of our lives our journey to parenthood has already been interesting i'm sure we'll continue to be interesting we're both podcasts as we both have thoughts on you know the world and pop culture and like you know all the fun

stuff that i think a lot of you know our audience share as well similar interests and like just life you know just like a fun talk show i'm not concerned about the content you know like i can talk so i think it's just been about setting it up and then we're just going to chat and i think it's the first episode soon soon it's it's it's going to be soon it's it's it's going to be soon it's it's a you see we get mics with setting up and he's doing all of that so we've got to do that and then i'm hoping to get it out very soon yeah very very soon tell me this is to inside baseball have you talked about who is going to drive the podcast um no but see that's the kind of thing we can talk about on the podcast.

Yeah. Okay. That's fun. I mean, you know, you podcast with a spouse. I've never podcasted really with Peter. So I kind of, I think it will be interesting.

Because he does podcasting in his own right. Yes. Peter's also a podcaster. Some people might not know that. Some people might be very insulted that I asked that question of like, Rob,

Shannon is a very experienced podcast. Why would you say that she wouldn't be the driver? I kind of do think I'll drive, though. Unlike in, this is interesting. See, this is already for Gus around. He peter's a world's worst actual backseat driver to the point where I will not drive.

Stay tuned. So on the podcast, if he's going to backseat drive my driving, we'll have issues. And that's interesting. Because on podcast, there's some podcasters in RHAP and beyond. Some people are really good at like being the driver of the podcast. And other people are good at being the, you know, co-pilot, navigator of the podcast. I like to call it like the color commentator. Every podcast needs two people, an organized person and a crazy person. I think I'm both. And will some of us, like, can sit in either seat? I'm very organized.

Peter's not crazy. I'm clearly crazy. Yeah. Clearly, if this podcast wasn't enough for an example of that, no one needs more proof of that. Yeah. I think it'll be interesting to, like, to see our dynamic reflected back. Like, we've been together for... Try it on, maybe, you know, do it.

Yeah, both 13 years. So, you know, yeah. All right. Well, we're looking forward to that. Shannon. Yeah, that's interesting. Check it out. Gotts and around podcast. You did such a great job with this Australian Survivor versus the world that you and your coverage really did help to, you know, make it feel as elevated as it was.

And what a worldwide spectacle this turned out to be for you to do all these podcasts, including the recent patron Q&A that you did. So how many podcasts did you do total for this short season? You did what? Like 23 podcasts? At least. I mean, it was, so it was 10 episodes and weeded, that's already 14. And then how many X, then I did a patron Q&A. That's five.

And then the, how many, how many ex interviews have I done? Yeah. You did more podcasts than Janine did got confessionals. Then a lot of people did. Mm-hmm. But that's, but that's, that's, that's, that's, So keep up the good work, Shannon. Looking forward to hearing what everybody has to say in the comments.

Anything else? No. I mean, it's been a privilege to podcast about it. It's coming at an interesting time for me, a very nauseous time for me, which I can now publicly state. But it's been such a joy. I've loved covering Survivor this year. Like it's been, we started doing the dailies. We put it all on YouTube, like things I wish I'd done earlier that have, I just loved it.

and I appreciate the audience so much. I've appreciated the comments so much in the last couple of days. Thank you, everyone, and I will get back to people and I will read through it all, you know, about the baby and the coverage, and I really appreciate it,

the baby and the coverage. Yeah, it's, I don't know what my life, like, looks like in a few months, which is, but like this is, and not that it's, I always want a podcast and I always love Survivor, but like, I'm glad I have this time. And I'm really glad I'm going to be at San Fram

with you guys and everything. So it just, everything feels like it's in the right place right now. See you in person. just a couple of months. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care everybody. Have a good one. Bye.