RHAP: We Know Survivor - Sandra Diaz-Twine Talks Survivor 48 Ep 7 & More

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

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so thrilled to have legend the queen two-time survivor winner Sandra D.S. Twine. Sandra how are you? I'm doing wonderful thank you for the invite I was shocked that it was you interviewing me I thought it was Brandon, but even better. Even better, even better. Brandon is doing a great job with reaching out to everybody. And he's so social, Brandon. And everybody loves Brandon. And so we figured that sometimes he has better luck

with reaching out to people. No, what? You can't get people on the show. Get out of here. I find that hard to do. You know what? I'm so bad at like, you know, going on Instagram and texting and all that stuff. So that I leave it to the young people. That's a young person's game. All this texting. Yeah, absolutely. I totally understand. That's like me. I'll post my little birds and things here and there

and share. But then I'm really awful at reading the messages and whatnot. So I totally understand. Yeah. Well, Sandra, I've been thinking about you a lot recently, because something I've been doing has been going back. And it's been 15 years since survivor heroes versus villains. And we've been rewatching heroes versus villains. Had you been aware it's 15 years?

No. And please, I hope, are you going to ask me a bunch of stuff? I keep telling people every I've recorded over Pearl islands, heroes versus villains, game changers, like this type. Like, had I just played one time, then I can remember everything. A lot of the times I'm like, did I do that? But we've already, I already told you that, but yeah. So you've been watching and what did you see new this time around?

Okay. Well, there were only seven weeks in to, so that you're just getting, you're really just starting to cook now, that you just sent Coach out after you told Russell that he was going to, that he was like, yeah, Russell was like, I knew it, I knew it. I planted the seed, yeah. I told Courtney, I'm gonna get us out of this mess,

you know, as I was gonna attempt to get us out of that mess. And also I knew that Russell was insecure. And if he felt someone was talking about him, that was something easy that I could say, and there would be doubt and there would be conflict. And that's exactly how it played out. He didn't trust coach because coach was in fact complaining about voting out. I'm starting to remember now he was, he was complaining about voting out. I'm starting to remember now, he was upset about voting out Boston Rob

because Russell had asked him to, but he didn't vote out Boston Rob. He put down someone else's name. He voted for Courtney. Right, correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, you're right. And then Russell was mad because that vote from coach, it just didn't add up.

The votes were not there. And he found out that it was coach that didn't vote for Rob like Russell had told him to. Right? Am I right? You're right. You're right. And Rob said, you're a little man. Yeah, yeah. So there was a lot of issues. But yeah, we survived that.

And then, like I always tell everyone in this, I can remember, I told Russell, if you just let me like, I know you're running the show, I know you're running the game, if you would just allow me to make the merge, if I'm sitting in the jury and you're the final three, I'm giving you my vote. And that was enough for him to make, ensure that I made the merge. You know, you only had to tell him what he wanted to hear. And would you have done that? Would you have given your vote to Russell if he made it to the end?

Absolutely not. That was just to get me a little bit further because he would talk so much smack to us and we had to bear and grin it. So I'm going to do the same thing to you. I'm going to tell you what you want to hear. Yeah. Okay. Well, I love hearing the old stories, but let me ask you about what's going on with the new stuff because I know how closely you watch the show and I love to hear your thoughts

on all these new players who are out here and playing in Survivor 48. What do you think about this cast, Sandra? I met a lot of them at the Survivor Beach Drop in New York City. And when you meet them, of course, you know, you love on all of them. But as the show is progressing, my top two are Kyle and Camila. Yeah. Hands down. I thought Shaheen, we say Shaheen Shaheen, I thought he was going last week. I was like, oh, his goose is cooked. But he survived that.

I felt like saying Cedric had overstayed their welcome on the island, to be honest with you. I see myself a lot in Cedric as far as being awful at the competition. Yeah. But that's it after that, like I, you know, I don't see eye to eye on anything else, but I felt like Say was a strong player.

She had a lot to say, and I knew they would hold that against her. Like I'm really enjoying Mary and everything she has to say. The fact that the California girls thought that they were running the show, especially Thomas, like it's funny how a lot of the time when people say they're running the show, they're the ones that go home. Yeah.

And we see that repeat itself season after season. So I always tell people, like, if you end up out there, don't say you're running the show because that's like instant karma. Like you're going to go home. You know, we were both in New York. We went to the premiere event that they had the New York beach drop. I know you just went to the other one that they just had,

but they had so many of the cast members that were there. And I've never really had that experience of getting to meet the players in person before the season starts. Could you tell by meeting them, like who was going to be a player in the season when you met them? Yeah, because there's people that shy away from me and people that just run up to me and they just start talking. And when they naturally just talk to you, you know that they're an open book, that they're not going to sugarcoat anything out there. They're not going to get a You know that they're an open book, that they're not gonna sugarcoat anything out there. They're not gonna get a purple edit.

We're gonna hear plenty from them. And I got that from Shaheen. I got that from Star. Gosh, I met them all, but those were the ones I talked to the most. Let me see, who else did I talk to out there? I was talking to a lot of the old school players. You know how that is.

Yeah. That was fun. That was a fun day because I was saying that I felt like I hadn't really been at something that CBS had done since they had the 10 year anniversary party right before Survivor Heroes versus Villains started. Yeah, exactly. This was way overdue for the fans.

You know, they're able to get the tickets. It's free for them, but it's like an appreciation of the fans and it's way overdue. Like they need to hit up more of the places where there's a big fan following, but then there's nothing going on, you know? And they did that in Minnesota at the Mall of the Americas. I didn't even know about that mall until I landed. And it was huge. And the fans just kept coming and coming and coming. And even the ones that didn't have tickets, they still showed up, you know, hoping to get a glimpse of you or to grab you on your way to the bathroom or, you know.

So there's still tons of love and support for Survivor. And we were just together in the fall that they had a college event at UNC and I was really amazed. And I shouldn't be surprised, but you get mobbed by the fans that they come out there and they just surround you. They swarm to you, Sandra. But you know what's crazy? They do when they know I'm there.

If the fans know they're going to see me, they line up for me. We take pictures. I say hello, whatever, all the good stuff. But when I go places and they're not expecting to see me, that doesn't happen. So it's only when people know that I'm coming that we get, we get all the love and I'm rooting for you. I love you. You're the queen. Um, so I get both sides. I get the love and then there's times I get the cold shoulder. So don't be fooled.

So out in public that you almost never get recognized. Yeah, I really don't. As a matter of fact, what's crazy is I've been living to my neighbors for years and they recently, I don't know who told them that I was from survivor, but now my neighbors know and they never like, I don't, you know, Hey neighbor, we talk, we chit chat, pet the dog, whatever, keep it moving. But I don't sit there and say, Hey, do you, what do you want? You know, none of that. Yeah. You'll never tell a stranger, right? No, not even most of the time when I do run into someone and they say, where do I know you from? And I do have a familiar face. Like it's similar. There's always someone that looks like me.

I'll say, um, I don't know. I don't think we've ever met. No, we've talked, I recognize your voice, and then I'll say, do you watch reality TV? And if they say no, I'll leave it alone. Yeah, well my problem is that I'll have that conversation with somebody, and then my wife will be like, you know, he was on Survivor. He was on, I'm like, oh, and now I'm talking to a stranger

who doesn't even realize, like, if somebody knows my season or listens to the podcast, I'd love to talk to them. But you know what, I hate to talk to somebody who barely even knows what Survivor is. And now a person who doesn't even care that much about Survivor, now I'm answering every question

they ever had about Survivor. Yeah, is it real, is it fake? How was it? Listen, you didn't even know about it two minutes ago. What's even worse is when they find out you were on Survivor and they ask, well, how much did you win? Oh, it's a million dollars and you won it two times.

And after talking to me for five minutes, they're ready to put in an application and they just know they're gonna go and win Survivor. You just talked to me for five minutes. You don't know shit about survival. But something in our conversation led you to believe that now you can go and win Survivor from just talking to me. Like they're superior. I don't know. That's what I that's what I get from it.

You think that they're like, Hey, if you can do it, like I could win a million dollars. Yeah, like if this girl can win two times, I just know. But I love reality TV and I love Survivor. Yeah. That's why. You know what I'm saying? Like just because you met me doesn't mean you can go and win Survivor. Yeah. Sandra, what's your origin story with Survivor? How did they find you?

I applied. Yeah. I'm sure, and of course you've forgotten about this, but I'm sure we talked about it. So back in December of some year, Jeff said, if you have what it takes, go apply. And that was the first time we had a computer at the house from Christmas and a printer. Yeah. I never had either. And I printed out the application. There was like a hundred pages and you had to like February and I was working

and I had kids and I went to school and I had just gotten out of the army and I would spend one or two, uh, every night I do one to two sheets and really was thinking of giving good answers to all these 100 questions. And I filled out my application, then it was time to make the video. And I had asked my neighbors who were all fans to help me and push came to shove, nobody can help me with my video. And I was like, fuck it, I'm going to record it in my kitchen, which it came out not too long ago. There wasn't a copy of that video. So once I submitted it, that was it. Who had an all winner survivor?

It had to be in a vault and someone with access put it out there on the internet. That video had never been seen in over 20 years. Anyway, I made the video. My husband, you know, like, I don't even remember what I said. I have the video. But anyway, they called me on April Fool's. Yeah. And I thought it was my husband. I didn't believe the call. And then I had to go to Seattle. And I remember on the walls, it says, do not talk to each other.

Well, I didn't notice what was on the wall, the papers all over the place. I do not speak to each other, whatever. And I walk in there and I'm like, hello, hello, and nobody answers and I'm like, well, fuck you too, just like that. Right? Because you say hello. Did they hear you say that?

Yeah. I mean, the people did. I went in, had my interview, but while I was sitting there in that lobby, people would go in for five to six minutes and come back out. I was in there for like 30 something minutes. I was like, I know they like me.

And my friend Lupe drove me home and forget it after that. It was history. They called me. I went. I was prepared to go home first. Like I said on my videos, like I said on, damn, what was that show we all used to go on? Regis and Kelly. Oh, Regis, yeah.

I was like, Regis, my husband had no faith in me. He was like, you're gonna be the first one voted out. You can't survive one day. You love to gossip. You hear what you want to hear. You can't keep a secret, blah, blah, blah. Sandra, I can't believe it. I said, when I win this million dollars, you ain't getting shit. But of course I gave him stuff along the way. You got to, you, blah. Sandra, I can't believe it. I said, when I win this million dollars, you ain't getting shit.

But of course I gave him stuff along the way. You got to, you got to. When you were on the Island of the Idols and you also got to meet these people that were just playing the game, did you feel like then, because I feel like that the players who've already played, maybe they know they did good

and so they're not shy to come up and talk to you, but did you feel like that the players who've already played maybe they know they did good and so they're like not shy to come up and talk to you but did you feel like that you knew which players were gonna be really the the people who were gonna be the the big players in the season when you first met them no because we only met them if they came to island of the idols everyone did not come to Island of the Idols. Like Tommy won and he never came to Island of the Idols. But Nina's here. But what I did realize, me and Rob both,

is that everyone that came to Island of the Idols had an alliance with Tommy. He was the one common denominator. And we're like, if he wins and he doesn't come to Island of the Idols, like this is all null and void, like this was all for nothing. That's exactly what happened. But you did get the spy on all the tribal councils.

We did and it was so hot in there. And believe it or not, me and Rob would constantly sing the entire ghetto boy song. My mind is playing tricks on me. He knows the words and so do I. Yeah. Why that song? I don't know. One day we started singing it and realized, oh my God, we both know the words. So we'd be in there like singing and singing and waiting for them to finally walk in. And it was all hot because of the lights. And we're just trying to pass the time.

And then we just started. My mind is playing tricks on me. So fun fact, if you didn't know me and Boston Rob know all the words to my mother. I had no idea. By the boys. But wasn't that a good idea? Should they do that again with letting people watch the tribal council from secret. It all depends on who you have up there. It has to be someone that can't influence the game. Yeah. Because you're getting all this information. We were just, they thought it was fun to see what would happen if we went out there

and then they liked all our critiques and whatnot. Like me telling, saying about Elaine, that one don't never know nothing. That was my exact word, because she's like, Jeff, I don't know, but she always knew, but she would tell Jeff, I don't know. That one never know nothing. But I don't know who would you put up there?

Who would I put up where? Yeah, who would you put to watch the tribal council? Maybe somebody could like win, like a tribe could get like an advantage and they send one person to go be there. And then that person comes back and maybe that they're not even telling the truth about what happened. Like I think that that would be interesting, right? Oh, get the information from tribal council about what's going on with the tribe.

Yeah. That makes sense. That's like sending two people to a reward and letting them spill the beans about what's going on at each camp. Yeah, that makes sense. That's like sending two people to a reward and letting them spill the beans about what's going on at each camp. Yeah. And then it's like that one person spied on the other tribal council. And then it's like, are they going to tell everybody when they get to the merge? Like, Hey, just so you know, I spied on your tribal council or like maybe somebody is going to like rat them out. Like, Hey, Jimmy was watching your tribal council. He didn't even tell you guys. Well, they can get that advantage without letting their tribe know that that's what exactly they're going to get to do. You know what I'm saying? They think they go on a journey like an overnight

thing and they think they're going to like a spa day or, you know, a night at the cinema. Yeah, that is a good idea. Who gave you that idea? I mean, well, Jimmy Fallon, I guess made it up originally, but then just like, I mean, it's, it's just an old idea that they could bring back. Yeah. They need to implement that. Forget edge of extinction. That's all kind of, that's not even talking about that. Yeah. Yeah. If you get voted out, that's it. We know. Mm hmm. So this week, we saw where that there was a chance for Kyle and Camilla, your favorites, to maybe make a move against Shaheen.

And ultimately, they didn't do it. Do you think that they should have pulled the trigger on voting out Shaheen? Even if they didn't, even if it didn't work because they're just two and they needed everyone else to back them up, they've already put feelers out there. And I think David is gonna react to the information because he seems like the kind of person

that hears something, lets it fester, and then something's gonna come from that conversation. That's why they highlighted it, you watch. Yeah, so now they told David that Shaheen has the idol. Do you think that David is gonna go back and check with Shaheen about, hey, do you have the idol? Even if Shaheen said no, will David even believe that? On Survivor, you just never know.

So, you know, he's still gonna be thinking, is he telling me the truth, yes or no? You know, there's been a lot of talk on this season about players talking about that, hey, it's nice that somebody's gonna win with honor, with people have to win with loyalty and integrity that we're bringing back. No more of these nerds with that lie and backstab

that we're bringing honor back to Survivor. What do you think about that, Sandra? When David said he wants someone to win that's worthy or something like that, he said, I'm like, I think I was talking to Carolyn. I was like, what the hell does that mean? Who's not deserving of their win? So we have to look back through 46 seasons

to figure out who the hell or what type of players he's saying are not deserving. Like all the strong people have to stick together because we want whoever wins, Joe too. We want whoever wins to be deserving. What makes you you know, in your eyes, what is the criteria for someone deserving? And if that deserving person doesn't win, do they now say, oh, bitter jury? I hate that. Yeah. Yeah, right. Isn't that the point? Out wait out play out last of anybody,

you know, whoever gets there is the winner. That's right. Whoever, whoever makes it to the end and takes home the money and the title wouldn't change a damn thing regardless of what everyone else seems to think. But that's the problem with Survivor. You got 16, 18, 20 players who all think on day one, they have what it takes to win and then they go home and then it didn't pan out the way they wanted it to. So you watch this is gonna bite David in the butt. Yeah and look I get it if you're David where it's like hey nobody do anything fancy here let's just let's just play the

challenges and then whoever's last the challenge will just vote them out like that's that's how we should play. But that works for David, but doesn't work for everybody. Well, and I think Joe is on that boat, too, where he sounds like it needs to be the most deserving without. What's her name? Eva. Chrissy, Chrissy.

Yeah. Chrissy said in front of him, like, you know, we're playing Survivor, which is true. At the end of the day, we're playing Survivor, which is true. At the end of the day, let's say David starts winning all these challenges. How am I going to get an opportunity to get to the end and win if he's constantly winning immunity? So guess what? The first opportunity we get that he does is win. We got to take him out. We won't see the finish line.

That's just how Survivor works. The weak outnumber the strong. And he's eventually going to take them out. We won't see the finish line. That's just how survival works. The weak outnumber the strong and he's eventually going to have to go. There's no way he's going to win everything. Cedric, do you think that Chrissy put her foot in her mouth by saying that at tribal council this week? Yes, I was shocked that she said it. I hope there's no repercussions from this. But it looks like David and I think Eva was there as well.

They didn't like it. They didn't like it. And I liked Eva and Eva's story from the jump, but the truth is, like everyone says, Mitch and Eva have good stories. If you let them get to the end, they're gonna get the money. And if you wanna get that money more than them,

you gotta take them out. I would have took the opportunity to separate Eva from Joe because say, Star, Mitch, right? Am I saying the right word? Yeah, you got it, and Chrissy. No, no, no, no, wasn't it Mary? Who was it? Chrissy was with them, yeah.

Whoever the four were, they could have gotten together And no, no, no, no. Wasn't it Mary? Who was it? Was it Chrissy? Chrissy was with them, yeah. Whoever the four were, they could have gotten together and said, we need to split up Eva and Joe plus. Eva has an idol. Yeah. And they had the block of vote too. Right then and there,

I would have separated them because there's no way, we already know he's hugging her. He's giving her support, anything and everything for her. Say is trying to talk hugging her. He's giving her support, anything and everything for her. Say is trying to talk to him. He's just listening. He has zero to contribute. So to me, he's already put off by the whole conversation. Like you're going home. I don't need to talk to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, no, no. So when Chrissy is saying those things at Tribal Council, some people have said that, well, you know, Christie is trying to push back on the narrative

that Joe is saying about, you know, you have to be honest and be loyal to win the game. Is that something that you have to think about of like making sure that, you know, there doesn't end up being this philosophy among the players about what type of game is gonna win? See, that's the problem where everyone has their own idea and their own criteria as to how the game should be played.

Yeah. But we already know the good guys don't finish last. You know what I'm saying? Like you just do not come out on top. And even when you don't want to play dirty or you want to be, you want to tell the truth the whole time. I feel like. But now she did. And had I been at that tribal council, I would have been like, OK, I could play with her.

And we need to get him out because that is just not how we're going to play Survivor. Like, you know, plus he's already showing his dominance at the challenges, him and David. It's like they're going to win everything if you don't take them out. Sandra, how fun was it for you to watch, say, this season? I like her mouth. She talks a lot. She made a lot of sense. So did Mary, the way Mary tricked her, like it was great watching them. But like I said, her days were numbered,

her days were numbered because no one could trust her. Mary had already said she's what, like a chameleon? What did she say about her? I think she said she's like a snake. She said that. She said that I think Charity was like a turtle and Say was like a snake. Yeah. Yeah. Mary knows. Mary's watching everybody and she's one of those players where you have to listen to what she has to say. But they had her dialed in. Like she's too chaotic. It's too much drama with her. So yeah, she had to go home. She went home at the right time. I'm glad she lasted as long as she did, but eventually she had to go home and I hate she didn't make the jury.

She would have been great on the jury, but they don't want her there. Yeah. But Sandra, you're somebody who famously you can get loud to, WTF, and you know, you're not somebody who would hold your tongue too often on Survivor. What did you do right that Say wasn't able to do where people are saying, okay, well, we have to get rid of her. Well, I feel and correct me if I'm wrong that I tried to have an open door policy and a line of communication With everyone where say waited to the last day. I know they just did a merge or Tribe swap. Yeah, it was the merge But she was just now finally getting around and talking to Joe The first thing you want to do is talk to people that you haven't had an opportunity to build a relationship with.

You don't wait till now you're about to go home to then all of a sudden like, hey, let me talk to you. Let me, you know, this is how we should play the game. But, and she had burned bridges. You know, she was, she was so opposed. She was always after Mary to where Mary's not gonna forget that. Even though Cedric said play nice. You're not going to tell me that was she was only playing nice with Mary because of what Cedric said, you know,

so I don't blame Mary one bit for wanting to distance herself from say so say got what she was coming to, you know, say got what was coming to her, in my opinion. And what I do like her as a person. Sure. And the other difference is, you know, that there were always people there whenever you played who loved being with you, that you always had close friends and allies and people who really enjoyed your company. I don't know if Say ever had that where people loved Say. I don't know if Say ever had that where people loved Say. True. True. I could show you my phone and show you all the survivors that called me just today alone. Nuts. How many survivors call you on an average day?

On a daily basis, I probably hear from three or four. Wow. And a lot of times it's different people. Yeah. Not texts. Like they'll call you. No, but I'm texting more texting than calling. Yeah. More texting.

Let me look at my phone. More texting than calling because today alone, let me look at my reasons. Who texts me today? Three, four, five. Five. Well, pretty good. And he ran him because he was reminding me to be on here. Yes. That's one of the ones.

That's a free space on the bingo card on here. Yes. That's one of the ones. We'll give you that. That's a gimme. That's a free space on the bingo card. Yeah. Yeah. And does that get people love me? Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

I think that's a lot. I only there's the fights and feuds only come after I've already found out that someone either doesn't like me, doesn't care for me, can't stand me, whatever. It's something that they always do and say first. Yeah. Now, I don't think you're out here picking fights with people. I don't think I am. Yeah.

Although I will say, you know, you talked about how on April Fool's Day, you got a phone call from Survivor. It did seem like that maybe you were poking the bear with Russell on April Fool's Day. No, I shared a story. You shared that. That was you didn't make that up. No, it was post. Like people were commenting me and tagging me on it. And I saw it and I was like, oh, this is funny. Share. Yeah.

Because it said, Oh, this is funny. Share. Yeah. Because it said, our good friend, Corey Tugwell, we all know Corey from Corey's org. He did it. And I thought that was hilarious. And I shared it. Yeah. I didn't do that. It was, it was, it's a congratulations, Russell. You just won survivor and then it was like April.

Yeah, it was a share. It was so good. And I think I actually posted it after April fools. I don'tools. Yeah, it was a share. It was so good. And I think I actually posted it after April Fools. I don't think I even seen it when he was it on April Fools. I think it might be the day after. Yeah. Yeah. I think I didn't see it until like a day after when your notifications is like 20

notes and I'm like, what is this? But, you know, people are quick to tag you, you know? Yeah. OK. So let the record show. Yes, you know? Yeah. OK. So let the record show. Yes, you're just resharing. I just pressed share. That was it. That's it.

OK. Who do you think is going to go home now when this tribe gets back together with 10 people? Shaheen's in trouble. You still? Because a lot of people that I was talking to on Friday felt like, okay, well, they didn't get Shaheen out. Maybe he's going to win.

You think that he could go home this week? I would like for him to make it deep into the game because I actually like him, but I think there's going to be issues with what was said. And the problem is anytime your name pops up, even once, now you're on that radar. Now your days are numbered. People are, it's just easier to keep writing down the same names. That's just how survivor is. Once your name is out there and that's what you don't want for it to even pop up once. Because once it does, it's just reoccurring. So I think because he's already out there, it's going to continue.

Yeah. So Cedric broke the seal and now Shaheen got one vote and now people might be trying to gun for him because it was interesting. I kind of thought that Kyle and Camilla and Joe and Shaheen, it felt like that they really had something. But then when they got to the merge, now here comes David, who interestingly, it was Kyle and Camilla's friend before the merge. But then when they got to the merge, now here comes David, who, interestingly, was Kyle and Camilla's friend before the merge. But then he met Eva and he met Joe. And it's like he's more with Joe than Kyle and Camilla are. Yeah. And not only that, but see, that goes to his philosophy of wanting to play because it's two, two and one. So I think he's just the third wheel to both sides. You know, so maybe he sees that he's playing. He's he might feel he's in a good position, but I don't think so.

I don't think so, because if he keeps winning, people are going to start watching him closely. And like I said, Mark, my words, I'll put will bet, you know, there's an epidemic of betting now. Yes. I've money on the fact that the minute they can get them, they're going to get them. Well, I know you win your bets because I remember when I just watched where you bet Boston Bob about coach that he was not going to be able to go climb up the coconut. And you said, I'll bet you, I'll bet you a dollar for survivor winner, Sandra.

Yeah. And Rob paid me that dollar and he wrote on it. I don't know where it's at. I have it. I've never like done anything with it. I just would have to find it within all my survivor stuff. I've had years of collecting. So I have a lot of stuff. Do you have one thing that's your favorite survivor collectible item? One thing, my buffs, my original buffs. And you have them like the actual game worn buffs that you have. What do you have them like in a Ziploc bag? How do you have them?

No, they're loose. They're there. I have I have them loose because when I do my cameos, I put them on. But I also have collectible buffs, buff strength, other seasons. Yeah. You put on the game worn, but you wash it. Yeah, I wash them once in a while, because then they get back to nice and tight. Like, I feel like that my I think I have my one from the Amazon but I never I think it's like in

a Ziploc bag. I feel like that's like um I don't know it feels like that it's like to throw in the washing machine. I don't know I guess I'm stupid. I guess I should have just washed it. No well here's the thing because I'm not a stinky person anyway, all my stuff always smelled good. And when I would go out there, I would just like, I could smell my clothes or my hair and be like, I smell good, you know? So my stuff always smelled good. Like I'm not one of those stinky people because we know that there are those people out there that they just stink.

Well, can I ask you who smelled the worst? You played with so many. You've probably played with what? Like 70 or 80 different people as Australian survivor. Forget it. Like a hundred different players. I've always said it, that Russell was distinct. Yes, because he wouldn't go in the water. Right. Right. He wouldn't go and wash up.

You told him you said you voted a whole new field in 2020. I'm not trying to. I'm just because you voted for him. When Tyson went home, you said that he needed to go in the ocean. Way back when. Yes. Yes. And they don't say stuff like that anymore. They needed to go in the ocean and water. Yeah, yeah. The survivors, they never vote that way and they say anything like that mean. I guess the times are different. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was just saying what I was just, when you're funky, you're funky. That's it. There's no other way to sugarcoat it, I mean, I was just saying what, I was just, when you're funky, you're funky, that's it. There's no other way to sugar coat it.

I mean, they're making us play games in like popcorn oil. They're making us crawling mud. You would wanna clean yourself up. I remember watching Sue with all that stuff rolled under her neck and I'm thinking, why don't they tell her to wash up? Oh my God. Cause I could see a little crumb neck. And I'm thinking, why don't they tell her to wash up? Oh my God. Because I see a little crumb of food and I'm like,

you need to clean your face. I see it's not like you need to go clean your nose. You know, so I would have been like, yo, you need to wash your neck at least. If you're doing the contouring thing, which I didn't know that was a thing until soon, what you can do still is just clean your neck because that you know, cause I'm like, listen, we're women.

We're already under, you know, like it's hard out here. You want to keep your lady bits as clean as possible. Yeah. You can reach. But come on now, we don't need to see three different lines under your neck from rows of dirt. Like absolutely not. That is not my thing.

So one of the big characters on the season has been David Sandro. What have you thought about David? I met David when I saw him at the challenge. I was like, OK, he can get far, but that's the problem. Yeah, he's just too strong and everyone's going to start. Yeah, if you're in an alliance with him, great. That's like our Jonathan. If you're in an alliance with him, great.

I hope we get as far as we can. But if and when he goes home, because we know it's going to happen, then you need to be ready to move forward without him. You know, you can't depend on him so much that now you don't have anyone to protect you. And who does David have just Kyle and Camilla? Well, and Joe and Eva and maybe Mary too. Yeah. People from his, wait a minute. What about the people from his original tribe? Well, Chastity's gone.

Kyle and Camilla. Yeah. Uh, Charity's gone. Maybe. Charity. Maybe Chrissy is also there. Yeah. For him. I don't know who the Mitch also there. Yeah. For him. Yeah. Yeah. When he when he said the whole no, no, no, he was just talking to the to the producer when he was saying that he wanted the someone who who was deserving to win. Yeah. See, he wouldn't say that out loud, because if he said that out loud, there'd be issues on that tribe. Like, wait a minute.

What makes you more deserving than uh just because that's the thing just because you win immunity challenges doesn't make you more deserving than anyone else for those that can't win immunity we have to up our game we have to do extra we have to build more relationships and do more. We don't rely and we don't hide behind idols. That's right. Okay. Now, Sandra, are you drinking milk? Water. Oh, okay. Do you drink a lot of milk?

I do in the mornings with my coffee. Yes, that's it though. Not a gallon. No, who drinks a gallon of milk? Like, absolutely not. Ian and Joe. That's too much. They must have both, probably. Isn't that crazy that there's two people in the same season, that they both do that?

There's probably been more throughout the history of Survivor, but probably no one connected with them and no one, there's not a lot of people. I guess the big guys do that. And we should ask Jonathan if he drinks a gallon of milk, you know? Well, Jonathan used to eat like 21 eggs a day. And now, I mean, boy, I hope he's got a second job, Sandra, because 21 eggs. second job, Sandra, because 21 eggs. Well, I've been seeing him in the gym a lot lately. A lot of people posting gym videos that you really don't. And you know what that means

when they're getting in shape. New Year's resolution? No, that they might be gracing our TV screens again and I'm ready for it. I'm ready to see who's out there that deserves it and who is just like, Mm hmm. Yeah.

Did you ever post gym videos in all the times that you went back on Survivor? No, because I never used to go to the gym when they'd ask me to come back. I would say that I was going to go and if I did it was for like one day and then I'd be it would be over for me. Yeah. But I do. My husband got me a gym membership and Nina will say, Mom, let's go to the gym during lunch and she'll take an hour lunch. But by the time we get there and come back, we do like 30 minutes.

And I sit on my bike and I watch Australian Survivor or I'll watch like the Trader UK and I'll just pedal away. So if you ever see anything, it's me peddling. The screen like, you know, I can work out, but yeah, look, you got it. I can't change the way I am. I'm not, I'm never going to be physically fit. I never need to drink more milk. Milk is $5 a gallon now.

Yeah, but if you don't drink anything else, like that's, I mean, if you compare it to like a Starbucks coffee or something, that's not that bad. Yeah, but I don't get, the only time I ever get Starbucks coffee is if I'm at the airport flying somewhere that I'll get a cup. Yeah, that's it. That's the only time really. Yeah. Well, you're so savvy with money,

right? Because you're still, you still coupon? Coupon is not like it used to be. Now you can only use one coupon or you know, like they the stores don't want to give you coupons anymore. The brands they don't want to give you. Yeah, there's nothing out there really. There's ebata checkout 51. I think it is and stuff like that. It's rare if I find a coupon now $200 spent no coupon. Yeah, it's not right. Shouldn't they bring coupons back? Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, I could, don't get me started on, uh, on this, but I, you know, to go to the grocery store with my family, like, Hey,

what's wrong with this ice cream? This is on sale. Listen, back in the day for a hundred bucks, you could get ten bags. Now you walk out of the store with two. It's crazy. It's crazy. You know, Sandra, so, you know, my mind is like half in season

20 from watching all these old Survivor episodes for the 15 year anniversary. Do you remember what it was like right before people were going out for Heroes vs. Villains? Were there a lot of rumors about who was gonna be on it? Were the Survivor texts all blowing up where people were trying to figure out

who was gonna be on Heroes vs. Villains? No, and let me tell you why. I used to back then read Survivor Sucks. Remember Survivor Sucks? That's where I would get my information from. I tell my therapist about it every day. But here's the deal. Back then, the only two people remember that I knew that was said to be rumored to be going

on Heroes vs. Villains was Candace because she lived here in Fayetteville and Rupert because I had played with him on the Pearl Islands. Yeah, other than that. I had never met Courtney Boston Rob Jerry, I knew who they were. I watched Survivor, but I didn't have anyone's phone number So no, it wasn't even like that now, maybe The other people knew of each other and had each other's phone numbers, but I didn't know any of them other than Rupert and Candice. And then they ended up on the heroes and I was in the villains anyway. So yeah. And there wasn't a bunch of rumors or anything like that. Just a little bit on Survivor sucks. That's it. Yeah, it was whatever was on Survivor Sucks. And a lot of the times it was just hearsay.

It wasn't like, like, precise, you know, there was like 100 different people it could have been, you know? So I just because I had watched Survivor, I knew who potentially would be out there, simply spinning my own wheels. And then once you start seeing them, then you're like, okay, I know who that is. I know who that is. I know who James is. I know who JT is. I know who Kobe is.

Like, you know, I know who Jerry is. Sandra, did you know it was going to be a heroes versus villains season before you went to go play? Not at all. Yeah. Remember I raised my hand when Jeff said, who's on the wrong tribe? And I said, why am I on the villains tribe? And he told me because I would stab my own mother

in the back for a million dollars. And I was like, oh yeah, I would, okay. But I'm glad he put me on the villains tribe because at the beginning I was like, I should be a hero. But after seeing what they went through as the season played out on my TV screen, I was in the right place because we didn't have all that banana etiquette and asking permission to eat a banana like no. Yeah. And you had the great line that you said the first time I played I was mean. This time I'm really meaner. Yeah. Why does that?

Why do people even like that quote? It's a good line. I know whack. It's a good line. You can't say I'm your hero. Am I really the most quotable survivor ever? Like I have like a thousand quotes. Let's see. There's what the Queen stays Queen. Adios.

I can't get loud to WTF. I'm only the Queen until I'm only you're only the king until the queen arrives. I could get loud to what the fuck. You have to say Ross, what is it? Russell thinks he's going to go to the he's going to beat me in the end. But I don't know about that. I don't know about that. You're right.

I do have a lot of stuff. You're right. Yeah. Do you ever think about any of these things before you say them or they just come out of your mouth? They just come out of my mouth. Yeah. They just come out of my mouth like Queen Stays Queen. And that was because Tony on season 34 when we played for the very first time, he was like, yo Queen, yo Queenie.

This everything was Queen, Queen, Queen. And then we had that big blow up at tribal council where he was like, you guys are like sheep to slaughter. And I was like, that's what you get. And the Queen stays Queen. And forget it, that was it. It was born right then and there, Queen stays Queen. But I love your relationship with Tony

because you and Tony are great friends now, right? Absolutely. There's really not. There's really not even me and Fair Play after so many years of. Yeah, he can call me. I'll pick up the phone. We do things together from time to time. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not. Yeah, so me and Tony, we get along.

It's just sometimes when we play together, we just can't trust each other because we're both after the same thing. He's there for the money and for his family and I'm there for the money and for my family. Therefore, your family is not more important than my family. Your family is your family. My family is my family. And I'm going to put my, you know, you know how that is. We did it. And when it's all said and done, we could be friends again. Did you give Tony any advice before he went to go do the traders? I didn't even know he was going to do the traders.

People would ask me about Tony and I'm like, yo, he hates to fly. There's no way Tony's going out there. And then his ass is out there. Yeah. And I'm like, Rob just did deal or no deal either. Why would he be out there? He was out there. You know, it was a total shocker. Sandra, I feel like people don't give you enough credit for the traders because I think that these a lot of these faithful that they're just like do-do-do just like they stick around because they're like dummy dum-dums and

they just don't get murdered. I think that you might have played the best faithful game that anybody's played on the Traders. What do you think about that? I appreciate that. A lot of people tell me that. And the other thing that I realized too is that because it's one hour episodes, the Traders have to have a lot of screen time.

So when you have three or four traders running around acting crazy, going after each other, or for instance, we had three, well, plus Kate was four. There's not enough, they can't highlight the faithful as much, you know, it's just about the traders trying to do their little sneaky plotting and whatever gets thrown at them, then the missions and then the round table.

So there's not a lot of time to highlight too many people. I know that a lot of people trusted me in there. I know where I messed up. I also had a feeling that CT wasn't gonna share the money. He was talking a lot about divorce and the cost of divorce and this, that and the third. So there was a lot about divorce and the cost of divorce and this, that, and the third. So there was a lot of things that happened. And I think I messed up in two areas when it came to the traders. When we went to the church and CT was sitting in between me and Phaedra and I told

her to take out Trichelle in front of CT, that didn't sit well with him. And you see him on the TV, go back to the castle and say in the confessional, I heard Sandra and Phaedra whisper. And by then we were already locked in on Phaedra, but she was my friend. So as long as she's my friend, I'm not going to get murdered. You know what I'm saying? I just got to survive the round tables. But I keep saying that I hope I did enough for the supposed season five all-star returning trader season. I hope they give me a call because I'm ready. I'm ready to catch them damn traders.

You're ready. You're ready. Would you ever be a trader if you played again? I think I'm a better faithful simply because after seeing the fiasco of last season and hearing Rob and Carolyn say that it was really, really hard and then they didn't get a lot of rest because we have to be prepared. I think we work from 12 to 16 hours a day. So you have to, there's not a lot of time.

And then the traders, while we're heading back to go to sleep, they have to go to the turret and fight that battle. That takes a long time. So I don't know because I need my sleep. I need to be well rested. And it's hard because I feel like I just played traders like two days ago and I was voted out halfway through. And I remember at the beginning of the game-

Hold on. What do you mean you just played two traders two days ago? On Sunday for Vanquish for charity, I played traders and there was me and Bruce, Bruce from Jam Jam Season. And then it was Randy and Ricky from the Amazing Race. They were both recently on the Amazing Race. And someone said, and then there was only five females and it was like 20 people playing and they were like, it's gotta be at least one of the five females.

So they wanted to target them like that. And it has to be one of the four reality stars. So they wanted to target like that. And that's exactly what happened. Bruce went first and then Ricky got voted out and he was allowed to take whoever he voted for with him, which was me. And Randy was the one and he was the last one standing of the reality star. That sounds amazing.

Where did you do this? Right here on the computer. Oh, it was on zoom. Okay, got it. Yeah. On Vanquish. On Vanquish on vanquish Yes, we went on zoom and then we go to the breakout room. I don't know what vanquishes

It's an online It's it's like a group like a forum and they also go on The twitch and people can watch the game progress and they have to donate to the charity Okay, so they raised like over $200 for my charity. So I played, there was people trying to get shields. So you had to raise money. Whoever raised the most money would get a shield and they would donate the money

to the different reality star charities. So I was like, yeah, I'll play because we're raising money and it was for a good time. What charity did you raise money for? FAPS, the Fayetteville Animal Protective Society. OK, I didn't know you were so into animals. But I now also know that you are an avid bird watcher. Well, with the FAPS, remember, I had my five dogs.

I had Ruby, Rosie, Cheeky, Papa, Rio. That's right. Yeah. I had my Pomeranians and but Nina has a big dog and he's big. He's a German Shepherd. She rescued him from the shelter. So now because he's so big, I'm scared to have a smaller dog. But we walk him every day. I drive to her house down the

street just to walk my grandpa. And then, so me and Nina volunteer at the shelter, we try to go once a week. And we walk the dogs from washing their bowls from cleaning their areas, picking the poops, spraying the stuff like the works. And it's my way to give back. I don't know, because right now with so much I got going on, it's like I don't want to have my own puppy. Yeah. And then have to put them always, you know, in the little pet oasis resort. Right. Well, I'm waiting till things calm down. But I love animals. And so my husband's retired. He buys me all the bird seeds and I'm out there filling up the feeders. And then he was like, I was like, give me a bird cam. I want to watch the birds.

Now I have bird houses with birds that moved in, but I'm going to get me the camera because my bluebird has two eggs already. Okay. Does Ulmer give you any tips on the birds that you spot? No, I think he does endangered animals. Okay. Well, he loves birds though. He can identify any. If you have any bird questions, that's your guy. Oh, but I know my birds too, because I just Google them. Okay. And who needs him? My bird cam has AI. So now that I'm naming the bird, when my birds come, like Stanley is my mockingbird, it says Stanley came to the feeder. Chip is my chipping sparrow. It knows its names.

Yeah. And so my little yellow bird, the finch, the lesser finch is going to be called King because he visits the Queen. Yeah. And he's yellow and gold. So he's a yeah. So my little yellow bird is is is King. Yeah. OK. Yeah. We have the picture of it. Let me show you. Here is. Right.

Yes. Yeah. We're patient and it paid off. Yeah. And now he was coming around by himself. Now he comes with five others. So I actually had to go get the alliance. Yeah. No, I think it's his family.

I think it's his wife and his kids. That's like my Cardinals. They come in groups. The Bluebirds come in groups. They come in in little groups. Yeah. So, Sandra, big news today was Australian survivor versus the world. Now, of course, not only a survivor legend, an Australian survivor player, Nina, two-time Australian survivor What's what's going on? Why why is there no members of your family being represented on Australian survivor versus the world? Oh No, they took so they this I think it's just nine players

Yeah, and it's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and I think it's just a 15 day game and which is a 15 day game. And they said that Survivor, from what I understand, and I'm not sure if I'm right, but the numbers were dwindling, just like Australian traders. Second season and now it's gone. That Survivor hasn't been doing too well, and they wanted to bring something

to get the momentum going again. And I think it's wonderful because they pick the cream of the crop. So let's see what happens between Tony and Parvati, Sarie, David, King George, Luke. Let's see what happens. Yeah. OK.

I'm ready for it. And I will be watching it while I'm pedaling on the bike at the gym. Yeah. Which team are you going to root for? The world? I'm going to start rooting for Tony and see what happens. That doesn't pan out. I'll move on. Okay. Now I know you're also going on the big Traders cruise also coming up.

April 27th through May 3rd. Yes. Okay. Are you excited for that? I am. So we're hosting games and the prize, there's going to be up to $50,000 in prizes. So people have played Traders on the cruise. How do they pick out who's gonna play? So when we started selling spots on the boat, you would sign up and pick your team. So I have a team, Janelle, Bergy, Trishel, Stephanie, Rachel, like they all have teams. And then we won't have control over who the traders are, anything like that. We're simply going to play the host, Alan Cummings. And so we've been getting our outfits together.

That's why I was getting text messages from Stephanie today showing me, you know, because we're going to try to get a lot of plaids and tartans and, you know, all that good stuff. So since we have to play Alan, we have to get our costumes and outfits right for the crews. So there's been a lot of chatter about that, but we're excited and we're playing as a matter of fact, this is my schedule. Yes. Okay. Your itinerary. Yeah. Yeah. We're playing like three hours every day, except for the last day where they're going to take one winner from each team and then they're gonna play the final game. Wow, okay So you have like your whole team of trader?

You're Alan coming for your group and then all winners are gonna play each other and then that winner is gonna win $50,000 maybe Yes, no so the first winners will split the 25,000 and then the last winner and they five when they all play against each other. Yeah.

But there'll be prizes along the way and because they people pay a lot to come play, there's also gonna be opportunities for them to play after they've been voted out and win money and prizes and stuff like that. So I think it's gonna be a win-win no matter what happens. Now, I know there's a survivor cruise also. Is that are people playing survivor on the survivor cruise?

No, that one is shorter. And that one's going to Cozumel, Mexico, and there's going to be twenty five thousand in prizes for that one. But that one is different. They're going to, the fans want to bring Jeff's new survivor game. They're also going to play werewolf. They're going to do like a trader. We're going to have a lot of dinners and parties and stuff like that.

That is more relaxed. We're not, but you're still, there's a lot of money that people are going to win. Yeah. Yeah. But I think a lot of it is what if people start fighting on the boat? Well, you know, those boats have a jail, right? Cruises have jails, cruises have morgues. People die on those.

That'd be great for the traders game, though, that the person that gets murdered, they go to the morgue. Yeah, but no, not the morgue. But we're going to do a lot of things like on our traders one, we're going to meet with the fans and do the photo. Peter from the bachelor's having a rose ball. So that was the dress I was telling you that I had to get, you know, that to make sure that I could wear it.

What's the Rose Ball? Where? So I guess on the bachelor, because I don't watch the bachelor when he gives the girl the rose and she's dressed up. So on the on the Traders crews, we're doing the Rose Ball on the final day. And you know, he gives the roses to the different girls and dance with them. So we have to come to the Rose Bowl and be all fancy. OK, so so pilot Pete might meet a new give his rose away at the on the cruise.

A lot of women are getting roses on that cruise. OK. I'll leave it at that. But it's going to be so much fun. You know, we're going to have a good, we're going to have a blast. We really are. We're excited. My husband's excited. Even my husband's excited because I was like, baby, I'm going on a cruise, but I'm going

to work. You're barely going to see me. And he was like, what? I'm not going to see you a lot. I was like, yeah. So don't be mad. He was like, no, sign me up even better. I was like, okay.

Yeah. Are you bringing everybody, the whole family? Yes, I'm bringing the whole family, but I'm paying for that. Yes. Yeah, Nina's coming with her boy. Is she gonna play? Nina's playing, yep.

They're on different teams though, because they paid the full price. There's not no discounted price or nothing. They're paying to play. And you know- What if Nina wins? Are people to say that that's not fair if Nina wins? Well, she's not on my team. And everyone's bringing a lot of the people coming on the cruise are relatives and friends and coworkers, you know, so there's not a single person that's coming on the boat. That's not bringing at least a group of 10.

But does Nina ask you for advice when she goes and does a show or because she's won the anonymous now. She's like, like, because my kids, they would not take my advice for anything. No, Nina, Nina is really good because she's really, really smart. And and she's also physically fit. She gets that from her father, the brains and the wanting and the willingness to work out without being pushed and forced like me.

So she's like the complete package, everything I'm not. So no, she doesn't need, no, if I start talking to her, she's like, mom, you're gonna trip me up. I need to play my own game and I just leave her because she knows, she understands. She's been watching Survivor forever as a kid. She absorbed it like a sponge and then she went out there and did a good job. Every time she played she did better. From 21 days to 43 days to winning the damn the whole anonymous. Yeah. Sandra, do you have a winner pick for survivor 48?

Oh my God. I love Kyle and Camilla. I already told you, I can't be, I can't pick between both of them. I think they're so prepared that I would be happy with either one of them winning. It's like Wendell and Dominic. You know what I'm saying? Like you're rooting for both and you'll be happy with whoever comes out on top. Now, Wendell and Dominic, they both went all the way to the end together. Do you think that Kyle and Camilla might turn on each other before we get to the end?

No. I think they will. There's a lot of stuff that they have in common and I wish something more would blossom from that. You know what I'm saying? I would like for them to be that next couple that gets married in the survival world. Oh, I think that Kyle is married.

Oh, is he? I've only heard him talk about his callus. I don't think that's talking about a wife. Really? I believe so. I believe so. If he's not married, he's engaged. Okay.

Yeah. But look, the crazier things have happened in the reality world, right? Yeah, absolutely. Oh, here I was hoping for bigger and you know know, like Sandra, I was there with Rob and Amber when they got together. Mm hmm. And they're still going strong. Still going strong. Yeah.

You think he's never gonna have a baby boy? I mean, I don't know if they're still trying, but I feel like that they're like they're like my age. I think they're... Look, I'm 50 years old. I say it loud and proud because I know I don't look it. Yeah, I think that they've adopted like Aaron from Deal or No Deal Island and Jonathan. So I think he has some adopted sons. Sandra, it's so wonderful whenever I get the chance to catch up with you.

My my North Carolina friend. And I'm only an hour and a half away. I'm in Fayetteville. So if there's ever anything happening, don't be throwing those. Rob has a podcast, Parties and Me Not Know About It.

I'll let you know. I'm up and I don't have plans. I sure will. I'll let you know. If I come up and I don't have plans, I sure will. I'll let you know whatever we're going to do. I was what's better for you to go to Raleigh or go to Charlotte if we do something? No, Charlotte is three hours. Oh, OK. All right. So Raleigh is closer. Raleigh is only an hour and a half. OK. But depending on what it is, I wouldn't be opposed to dependent,

depending because then or what day falls on and if I, you know, because I like to do my IKEA trips once a year or twice a year to Charlotte. So if I could get it all worked out. We'll work it out. All right. Just fill out the invitation. If I can come, I come. And if I can't, then I'll let you know. Okay. What do you want to tell people to check out? Sassy SDT on Instagram, watch my bird buddy live. We got the Traders Cruise if your income tax came and you want to go play Traders. You can still get a ticket. Yeah, you can. Royal Caribbean has always got tickets. And if not, wait for the Survivor Cruise in July. We're leaving out of Galveston. We're going to Cozumel,

Mexico. Um, that one has Tony, Jeremy and Val, Sarah, um, Rick Devins, Troy's and Trish, Michelle, Jerry, Courtney, Todd, me, Nina, Rome, who else? I miss you. That's a lot of work. You love Rome. I know that. I like Rome. I really do. I love his mouth.

He's sassy like Satan. Yes. Yes. You know what I'm saying? I would enjoy seeing them both back. I really would. I really would. Let me see who else I'm forgetting and then we can hang up we can

Shot of who here we go. Oh, no, that's the traders cruise I already forgot. Did I forget anybody from that crew? That's okay. They can look it up. Hold on. Survivor Crew. Yeah. Postgamecruise.com. Postgamecruise.com. Okay. Or cruisersdeception.com. Depending on what cruise you want to go on. Okay. Alright. Alright. It was a pleasure. This was so fun, Sandra. So, I'm going to turn this off.

Don't hang up, though, OK? All right, everybody, we got a good one here today. Love to read your comments. We're going to be back. I'll be back with Steven on Wednesday night after I missed you. I was in Boston for the live show this week. And I went to Luigi's Pizza, Sandra. Was that where they caught Luigi?

No. Landione, is that what you're talking about? Justin from Survivor, that's his pizza, his family's pizza place, it's Luigi. Oh, the one that was playing with Cedric, right? Oh my God. I'm like, Luigi, man. You know what it was? Hold on, because

Omar from season 42, as we're speaking, was texting me, you have, you have pet birds. Wait, is this live? No, no. Okay. He's like locked in in like telepathy. You see today at eight 19 PM.

Yeah. That's number number six now. Well, no, you said, you said Brandon didn't count. So now that's fine. Tell Omer you don't need him. You have AI. Yeah, I got Google. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you everybody. Take care of a good one. What happened with Luigi's pizza? It was it was a good time. All this a bunch of survivors were there Justin took care of us Okay, good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. If you're in Boston go up there. Okay, I will Alright, take care. We have a good one. Bye