RHAP: We Know Survivor - Sean Clements Talks Survivor 50

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Sean Clements Talks Survivor 50 Today, Rob Cesternino welcomes Hollywood Handbook’s Sean Clements to break down all the drama, strategy, and iconic moments from this milestone season. With returnees creating explosive dynamics, Rob and Sean dig into the blindsides, alliances, and unforgettable celebrity twists that define this week’s episode—including the jaw-dropping exit of a major favorite and a visit from a surprise guest. This episode dives deep into the aftermath of Mike White’s shocking blindside, led by Christian in a calculated 3-2-1 vote. Sean weighs in on Christian’s risky move and the tricky fallout, especially with Ozzy and Angelina now united in their frustration. The pair discuss the evolving alliances, with Emily caught between conflicting loyalties, and the consequences of targeting heavy hitters too soon. Plus, Rob and Sean react to the Zac Brown visit at camp, the new Billie Eilish Boomerang Idol, and the special blend of game mechanics, nostalgia, and TV spectacle that Survivor 50 brings. As new and old school strategies collide, every confessional counts and every missed alliance could be a player’s downfall. – Christian’s bold 3-2-1 split that took out Mike White and shook up the tribe – Ozzy’s classic reaction to being left out of the vote, and the risks of leaving a challenge beast in the dark – Emily’s position in a “platonic love triangle” and her preferences for alliance “meat shields” – The debate over celebrity guest twists—Zac Brown’s cameo and the Billie Eilish Boomerang Idol—and their impact on the game – The special energy of returnee seasons, with old rivalries and Survivor history adding layers to strategy Can Christian recover from burning Ozzy, or has he made himself an even bigger target? Will Emily stick with Christian or flip to Ozzy—and who can really trust anyone as the immunity challenges get tougher? Tune in for Rob and Sean’s episode-by-episode analysis of Survivor 50, where strategic flips, fractured alliances, and game-changing idols keep everyone—castaways and superfans—on their toes! Chapters: 0:00 Intros 06:57 Rediscovering Survivor During Pandemic 10:22 Survivor 50: Old School Energy 14:18 Mike White Blindsided by Christian 21:19 Emily, Christian, Ozzy Dynamics 23:44 Devens and Coach Fan Moments 28:10 Coach’s Quotes and Strategy 30:12 Zac Brown’s Celebrity Reward Visit 37:04 Billie Eilish Boomerang Idol Twist 41:43 Survivor 49, Rizo’s Idol Luck 46:37 Coach Compared to Adam Sandler 52:13 New Show: Lex and Reality Aftermath 55:51 Colby’s Redemption, Cirie’s Talent Judging 58:06 Survivor Fandom and Online Negativity To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cessorino, and we've got a fun podcast for you here today. Because look, you know what? If the celebrities can stop by Survivor, if Jeff can have his celebrity friends stop by and talk about what's going on, why can't I have a Hollywood friend stop by? And he was with us just recently at the live show in L.A. Of course, so many people know him from the Hollywood Handbook podcast,

but of course, he has so many of. other things going on. And please welcome in Sean Clements. Sean, how are you? Hey, I'm doing good, Rob. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah. Sean,

who's got more going on than you these days between the upcoming film, The Dink coming this summer to you have a new show that I want to hear about, about a disgraced reality star. And boy, that you pick my brain, because I got so much, so many stories for you coming up on Hulu.

So, Sean, welcome back. Hey, thanks for having me. Look, I was at the live show last week. We got to meet in person finally and just really kind of seal this bond up that we've been building over the years. And I saw a fishback. I saw everybody. Everybody.

Just a thrill now to be like a part of the show and not just. just in the audience. Okay. So what did you make about the whole scene at the live show? Was that like what you expected? I didn't know what to expect. Like I, I, because I even like, when you said the time, I listened to know it all. Yeah. And you told me the time of the live show. And I was like, but that's when the show is on. Yeah. Like it took me a minute to realize that we were all going to watch the whole episode together. Yeah. Which was honestly great. Like, I feel like I laughed a lot more. As the experience of seeing something in a theater with other people is always, you know,

it's like it's kind of like being at a movie, right? Yes. And there's like a little more of a community and people having huge, oh, like the reactions were really adding to the experience for me. I don't think I would have thought I would like it, but I did. Yeah. It's really, it's like a big communal experience. And then it's a little bit like kind of like being like at a sporting event,

like opening night at a Marvel movie. Yeah, that's right. That's a great way to describe it. Okay. And, you know, it was stressful for me, obviously you pulled me up to do one of the commercial break, little interstitial bits. And it was the very first thing that happened was I sat down in my seat

and it was like, here, you have to come backstage with us. Yeah. And I was like, well, this is going to ruin my night. Why? I will not be able to enjoy a second of the show because now, it's like I'm going to be offstage, lightly panicking for the first like intro piece of the show. Then during the commercial week, I'm going to come out, fail in some way. And then I'm going to sit in my seat for the rest of the night and just think about how I could have done better.

But it was, it ended up being fine. Okay. Good. Well, I didn't need to get your night off. I was scared. Night off on the wrong foot. So, Sean, just for people who are not familiar with you and your work, I guess give us the backstory on your survivor.

There might be like two. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. The backstory by survivor love? This is Roger Clements. No, no, no. I have a T in my last name.

Yeah. But yeah, no, that's a very nice way for you to phrase the question. I know I'm not famous, but you want to, you're asking my survivor backstory, like how I got into the show. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I watched it, you know, I watched it very early on. The first, like, several seasons I remember watching, you know, in my youth as they aired. And then there was kind of a dead spot for a while where I don't know. I probably missed like 10, 15 seasons of the show, just kind of fell out of my rotation and off

my radar. I was doing other stuff. And then you found yourself. I found myself, yeah. I went on my own sort of journey and I ended up, I want to say, I think it was just a lucky coincidence in a way that one of my wife's close high school friends was friendly with a contestant who was going to be on the show. And so we decided to watch that that. Yeah. Can you tell us who it was? Well, yes. And it's a famous contestant. But it was an incredible

season. It was Brains versus Beauty versus Braun. Okay. And Morgan McLeod. Wow. Had been a California gold rush like 49ers cheerleader with my wife's friend. I can see that. Yeah. So they sort of knew each other. And she was like, oh, so she was going to watch. I had dip my toe back in already because I was doing this podcast. It was very short-lived called the reality show show. And people clamor for it to come back. Huh? People clamor for it to come back. Yeah. Well, maybe we should do a one-off. This is the show now. Yeah. We're not going to compete with you. I stole it. But my friend Hayes and I, who hosts Hollywood Handbook together, had worked on a writer's room and we talked a lot about reality shows and we watched a lot of the competition shows like

the challenge and top chef and all these different things so we started a show going over those and so at that time i added survivor back into the rotation and so i think caramohan was uh one of the first ones that we watched um uh philippines and caramone and then and then brains versus beauty versus brunnerner was like oh i'm all the way back all the way back this is awesome yeah and then during COVID, I filled in my blind spot because I was like, I ended up working on a show that was filming in Boston. And so I kind of left my family. And it was, it was COVID protocol. So you weren't even really interacting with your coworkers much. Like you were all like masked and suited up like to be on set. And so I had a lot of time in like a corporate apartment to just

binge watch Survivor seasons. And I was burning through. Yeah. Well, it was an escapist show. of like if you are sort of in the COVID protocol, there's nothing that gets you out of it, like visiting with the people on the deserted island. Yeah, it was, it was, they became all my friends. They're your friends now. They still are. It really, one of them, you know. People don't talk about this enough that COVID was really one of the best things

that ever happened to Survivor. We lost a year, but maybe gained like 30 on Survivor. I think so. I mean, I don't know if I ever, I don't know if there's another scenario where I would have watched that much that quickly. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I used to get on my elliptical.

Yes. And every time they did a challenge, I did a challenge. Yeah, that's a good way to do it. All right. And so just in talking with you over the years, I also know that you're not the biggest fan of the new era. You like the Survivor Classic better. Well, I just love, I mean, like this season is, I don't. I don't know anyone who doesn't feel like season 50 has been a return to form,

a total like breath of fresh air. And there have been individual players and moments in the new era that I really, I would love to see Jesse back. Yeah. That move that he did. Oh my God. Like, so I, there's stuff that has happened that had been great,

but I had, it felt, it all felt kind of similar to me. Like I was having more trouble differentiating. some of that is probably me in my viewing experience, but it's also like I wanted a returnie season really bad. And I wanted it to be on the table that was going to happen. And we had to wait 10 seasons for it.

And that's a long time. Yeah. I think it should be five. You think it should be sort of like the World Baseball Classic where it's like, okay, every five seasons, we're doing returnies and that's it. Yeah. And I think it should be, yeah, I think it should be like whatever. It's either some sort of thematic, you know, one, every,

five years and then more of like an all-starry thing every 10 years. But I, that's my opinion. And it's, I'm sure I'm not alone. What do you know about television? You don't know anything. I don't, I don't do this. You know, I'm no Jeff Probst. Yeah. I'm just, I'm new. But I, yeah, I just think like, I don't want to like trash the new era because there's been good stuff in it, but it hasn't quite felt the same. And, you know, a lot of the stuff. is over-observed, but like the treakly heartwarming, every single person has some kind of sob story or like tragic background to like help you root for them. And everyone's kind of like a hero in some way. I'm not blind to why there's no like old school villains because just

the online discourse and the social media and everything has made that like. harder to do and people have more self-awareness around that. But I am like, sometimes it's a reach. Sometimes when we start the like tinkly piano music and we sort of go into like soft focus. Like I go like, I'm not even sure this is like that sad. Yeah. Well, because everybody comes in with something in the new era. And I do think that what I found really fun about Survivor 50 is that, you know,

everybody has their own trauma and scars, but they are scars that we have seen play out because almost everybody's trauma is stuff that we saw happen to them on Survivor. And that's the kind of trauma that I'm here for. Yeah, that's a thrill because you're watching Coach and Ozzie like sort of settle their beef or whatever from 20 seasons ago. And you remember seeing that. So you're on that journey with them. It's not necessarily a story about someone who you just met,

like, and you have no history with, and they're telling you about what happened to them, you know, a long time ago and in something you couldn't see. So, yeah, that's the benefit of the returney season. It's also like I've been a long time, and this show's slipping too, but I've been a long time viewer of the challenge, MTV's the challenge. And in its heyday, like, that was so thrilling that it was, it was mostly the same people coming back every year.

And you'd be like, oh, this guy slept with his fiance and they own a house together. And he's trying to set like it. It was just like there'd be so much intermingling and like, you know, drama between the contestants before they even set foot in the house. Yeah. And then that would kind of rear its head throughout different challenges where they had to collaborate on things. And so this, you know, that was an extreme version of it. but I do like a little bit of that in my show, please. So I know you're a big challenge fan.

I feel like that as an outside observer, I get the sense that the challenge overall, the health of the challenge is not so great. I think that there's some of these other franchises. The Bachelor and Bachelorette is certainly going through it. Which I also was a viewer of and I haven't watched in years. And it feels like that maybe those are sort of maybe going on the way out. How do you feel like the health of Survivor is right now?

well i we needed this we needed 50 yeah i think that like i i think this it was a big test of like whether or not 50 was going to feel like oh good like we're kind of getting a lot of what we've been missing and these these flavors of the players with the history and just the people who and i know i saw like um mike white uh uh uh uh a little bit criticizing that when he's playing this season, it felt like people had sort of workshopped and crowdsourced personas for themselves and they were playing into maybe a pre-existing kind of character

that they had developed. And that's not good, obviously, but I do just feel like a lot of these people just know how to be on TV in a way that when it's a season of all new people, they just don't have that yet. Like some people will pop, but they've gotten a lot of people who,

they've done a full season of confessionals. They've done these, they just know how to create a little bit of a moment. And, you know, a player like Rick Devons or whatever, who's going to hide the idol at the tribal thing, like that kind of planning ahead. And actually being a little bit of a producer on the show as well as a contestant,

as well as a talking head, like that, I think just elevates the whole thing. And so I, throughout a lot of the new era, have felt like similar to how I feel about the challenge where some seasons are good, some seasons are bad, but overall it feels like we're trending downwards. And this has sort of restored my faith a little bit. I'm just loving this season. Well, let's talk about what's going on right now.

And we saw this week where Mike White ended up being. being blindsided, taken out of the game. He takes a little bit of time off of his very busy schedule to take some time away from making season four of the White Lotus, which we're all waiting for. And then so rudely gets blindsided and taken out of the game. Yeah, I don't like that. I mean, Q and Mike White going home back to back. That was tough.

Not a lot of fun. because those are two very, very good TV contestant. Yeah. Do you know Q is a pickleballer? Is that so? Yeah. He recently took on Tyson and beat Tyson, who is the avid pickleballer.

Like a real deal. Yeah. I see him play a lot. Yeah. Wow, Q. I'm going to have to get out there and bat paddles. I don't know what the term would be. Yes.

You're going to have to hit the courts. Tell me if I'm pulling. back the curtain too far and we could cut this from the podcast but that you if memory serves you that you've you've actually played tennis with mike white i haven't played tennis oh white cockran cut this out of the podcast then cut this yeah yeah i would i would love to i think i was talking to cochran at one point who he's been a guest on our podcast a few times and um is just a you know someone i'm friendly with and he's was telling me that he, I think, plays somewhat regularly with Mike. And I said, ooh, I'd like to get

into that game. Yes. And it's still, still pending. Yeah. The invite never materialized the way that maybe Cochran made it feel like it would. But you would probably cream those guys. Even though Mike White's in really great shape now. He's in great shape now. Yeah. I think, I'd tune him up. I think if we got out on the tennis court, it would be basically a rat. You think so? Yeah. Yeah, that's my, that's my suspicion. And look, Mike has access to all the best trainers and greatest equipment you can have.

And that could take him pretty far, but I don't know if he's going to get here. Yeah. Okay. But, yeah, this was a bummer to see Mike end up going out of the game. Do you think that Christian made a good move this week? I would say, I do. It remains to be seen, doesn't it, Rob? Yeah.

This is always the case on Survivor. You know, and when you leave, if you get blindsided or eliminated, you're in kind of a nice position where unless that person actually wins the game, you can always say it was a mistake. And only one person's going to win. So, you know, I don't know. I guess Ozzy's reaction is the thing that was the most interesting to me. because he said, I'll fill you in.

And Ozzy said too late. So it's like he has an enemy there now. You blew it. Yeah. Ozzy hates that when you don't tell him the plan. And then he gets blindsided because we've seen that a lot with Ozzy. It's very frustrating to him. He would like to know the plan.

Yeah. And he's catching eight fish for you. But I think that like the way they did it was the only way to do it. If you want to know the plan. Okay. I'm staying out of it. I haven't been there. Like the best way to know the plan is don't go fishing all day.

Just be doing the plans, yeah. Yeah. I think it was probably on the whole a good move because I do think what he diagnosed, at least from what he can see. And this is me filling in for him. Mike was trying to make him scared of Emily. Yeah. And the way in which he was doing that,

and I've seen obviously the Mike White interviews where he's like, I don't think he actually cared about the Gabby thing as much as they made it seem like in the edit. And I believe that. But regardless, the way in which Mike was trying to convince him to vote out Emily, because she should be a concern, made him more concerned about Mike. Yeah. Like, he was like, this argument you have given me is so persuasive.

And I think of you as one of the most persuasive people on the eye. Island. And I think the concerns that he would have about Emily, right, are she keeps telling people things that she's not supposed to, but that's out in the open. She's saying things out loud to to people that she shouldn't say, sometimes right in front of him. And so at least he knows where those mistakes are. But I think with Mike, he probably feels like, I don't know what he's doing. Like, he's never going to slip and accidentally say the wrong thing. And he, I think in Christian's mind at this moment is a greater threat to win the game than Emily is. Yeah. That's what it seemed like to me was his takeaway from that. Whether or not it was like the Gabby mentioned being a knife in the heart or any of

the other like details around it. It was like, this guy's scarier to me long term. And, And I also think that he got put on this beach with Angelina and Mike White. And it was like, oh, the David versus Goliath trio. And he was like, I don't want to be grouped into that. And I become the one who gets like kind of lopped off of this group, which I think Mike and Angelina are probably closer than Christian and Mike or Christian and Angelina. So I think he was kind of like, I should be the one to break up this trio. Yeah.

So, you know, I think that like him voting out, Emily, who we had already been playing with from the beginning of the game in order to satisfy Mike White's desire not to have Angelina go home, I don't think would have been the right move for him long term. So ultimately him taking out Mike, who he probably does have to get rid of at some point, doesn't seem foolish to me. But Ozzie. Yeah. Ozzie. And so it's like, oh, I'm not going to be part of this DVG like alliance. Like I'm going to show I'm playing with the rest of the team, but I'm going to totally alienate and piss off one of the biggest pieces of that who is so tight with Emily, who I'm trying to save and play with. That's where I don't know how it plays out moving forward. Yeah. And I feel like that we sort of set up this kind of like love plutonic love triangle between Emily, Christian and Ozzy, where.

that Christian's setting this up where I think he feels like that Emily is going to pick him over Ozzy and I don't think you realize this. I think that Emily probably wants to work with Ozzy more than she wants to work with Christian. That that is

that is my guest too. Yeah. She seems to really be linked in with, but she was willing to keep Ozzy out of the vote. Almost she wanted to tell him and Christian do not tell Ozzy. Do not tell him. But you know, I think that this is like Emily, again, I don't mean it like romantically, but this is like Emily's type on Survivor where it's like, okay, she wanted to work with Caleb who was sort of like the like sort of, not that Ozzy is super gregarious.

Well, a little bit. But she doesn't really love to just like, you know, go with the fellow nerds. She wants to be like with like the guy who's going to like get a lot of attention. And not from like in terms of like somebody that she could hide behind. more. A meat shield. A meat shield. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, that that's probably right. So I don't know. I mean, I'm sure you've already said it, but do you think that he made a good move? So I think that he made a spectacular move in terms of like he executed a play that was incredible. A three to one vote to take out Mike White. I think that it was premature to do this because I don't like.

what he's left with in terms of pissed off Ozzy, pissed off Angelina, and now having to rely on Stephanie and Emily to really have his back. That's his firewall in a tribal council now. If they go to one where he's got to keep this group of Emily flipping and Stephanie LaGroza together in a... Yeah, Emily's very unpredictable. Yeah. And Ozzy and Angelina wanted nothing to do with each other. and now they have a common enemy. So they're sort of like now linked up together now.

Yes, that's right. Yeah. So I don't love the fallout. Because I agree, because it was so fun watching it during it where it was like, oh, he's really going to like kind of design this and like lay it in perfectly. And we got the three, two, one vote that we all. We all love a three, two, one vote. It's exciting.

Come on. That math. That's good stuff. Yeah. no it was that was done well but i yeah i wasn't even thinking about i was like oh he's mad even if emily isn't more likely to flip it's like well but stephanie is going just go right back to wanting to work with us sure sure yeah he's in a tough spot and they're not going to win the immunity challenge either no i don't think so and two tribes are going to

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Amazing. Have it all with BYU on Disney Plus. Sean, tell me who are some of your other favorites? on this season that you enjoy watching? Well, I told you I got looped into by one of the, here let me name drop, one of the producers of severance invited me into a big fantasy league, a Survivor Fantasy League.

And so we had to, but if you guys people have to are, for the uninitiated, you too are one of the producers of severance. I'm one of the producers of severance for season three. Not out yet, but filming soon. Yeah. But yeah, so I got invited to that. that and you draft one player as like your representative and then you try to guess who's getting

voted out every week. Okay. And like that's the whole thing. But I was, you know, it's like group. It's like there's like a hundred people in it, but it's like five groups of 20 or whatever. And you just get like a spot in the draft. I was drafting like 16th, right? So I go, no way I'm going to get one of my guys. Yeah. Like one of my real like diehards. And. I got Rick Devons. Okay. Who was top of my, top of my board to begin with. Your big Rick Devons guy.

I enjoy Rick. Yeah. He's a little, is he a little hammy? Yeah. Yeah. But again, this is people who know how to do TV, you know? So, yeah, I enjoy Rick. And I've been, you know, very happy to have him on my team so far.

Yeah. Okay. So you're feeling good about Rick so far. and he was in a little like trouble like early on with his well he and Joe had had yeah yeah that that that conflict may come back for all I know um you know look I get a kick out of coach I know coach is divisive but man no he was like people I think it's like almost 100% approval rating other than

Ozzy I think that everybody has come around on coach where I think that he was like divisive uh when he was like a you know, first coming on to the scene, but now I think that he's just like universally appreciated. Yeah, I, I've just like, you know, the fact that he and Ozzy were in that very first sort of like, you know, challenge together with the key and the him stealing it and, you know, and then just like the way that played out where then he was so angry that they had

kind of insulted his honor by like saying that he stole the key. he did and he said he was going to like all of that was but you don't want Ozzie to talk about it so much yeah yeah that's right he would rather that he had just kind of kept it a secret for him just don't tell everybody but i was watching it and like my wife hasn't seen as much of survivors i have and so like she didn't really know coach and like whatever i think he gets he gets sort of exposed for having done that. And then he immediately gives like a Martin Luther King quote. Sure.

And I was like, God, I'm so happy to have him back on TV. And I just was sort of trying to, I was sort of like telling her like how special he is and how this was like a textbook coach moment for him to have the locked and loaded quote that he's kind of shoe hoarding into the situation that he's in. It was really, really special. So I love seeing him. Yeah, Sean, what do you think coach's process is? like prior to Survivor.

Do you think that he's like, you know, scouring the internet, like cutting out like magazine clips of like, okay, what are the quotes that I'm going to bring with me to Survivor? Or do you think that he just like has these just unlock and there's not any prep that he does before. Oh, he lives it. Yeah. He's not prepping for Survivor.

Coach is the same guy off Survivor. He is on Survivor. He's a guy who knows quotes. Marcus Aurelius. Magellan. Yeah. Here. Magellan, there's no way.

I think he might have like a book of famous quotes in his bathroom. Yeah. He may have an app. I mean, at this point, it's all on apps, right? He's got like a quote a day app that just like shoots it forward to him. Yeah.

But the thing is you have to memorize it. You know, when I went and I did the traders, you know, I could have like had like a whole like, one of the things I loved about traders was like I could bring like binders and binders that didn't help. but I had like

I love this you go back to my room and I got like okay I got like this I got this like I should have had like a million like jokes of the day

to be able to bring out could have been really special Rob if they just stopped down every trader's episode or for two traders episodes I guess and had you kind of carve out

your own little joke of the day at the round table like hey can I break the tension here did I tell you about each person who walked in like every time they come through the door at breakfast and you've got sort of a roast ready for it.

Yeah. I mean, could that have been? Or try out like a new catchphrase at breakfast every day? Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, a catchphrase, but I'm just going like one by one, just hitting them. Like just every person who comes through the door. And you're just like, oh, hey, you know, more, uh, I used to have that same shirt before I got a job.

And you're just fucking bra. Just strafing them. You've got to hit everybody. You could be like a famous insult comic. Yeah. Like from the just from the little traitors spot. Yeah. I could be like triumph at the traders breakfast.

Yes. Be great. Yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So I've been dying to get your thoughts on Zach Brown showing up on Survivor this week. And you feel like, because we really broke. format. And I'm interested to know from you as a creator of television. Did you like this direction for Survivor?

So obviously in the preview for the season, when they showed that Mr. Beast would be there, the Black Brow would be there. I was like, what fuck are they doing? Like, why are they doing this? Yeah. This is not what we want. Like, we want to see the Survivor players playing Survivor. We don't want to like have them have a fake reaction. to something or pretend to know something they don't or obviously there's the famous jack and jill reward sure where everyone had to go and um sit in the movie theater and watch jack and jill and you know as the story goes they they actually were like can we just go back to back to camp um so and coach did both things coach went to zach brown and jack and jill i know Zach and jill he got both coach is blessed um

I think it wasn't that bad. I was really braced for like these celebrities showing up and it being annoying to me. But as I look back, I liked that Jack and Jill reward. I didn't think it was funny that they did that and they all talked about. It was good. And it was like a really awkward kind of product placement promotional thing. And I thought it was too long. I thought it was too long.

I thought that we could have tightened up the Zach Brown appearance. but overall, God, how, you know, I know D is sad, how amazing would it feel, Rob, to be on the show and to guess the celebrity like that. Yeah, it's a little bit of mass singer. He says, he gives a clue and she goes, Zach Brown? Yeah.

I mean, that's as good as winning the game. There were probably, that was cool. Though, Sean, I think that, I bet there were a lot of like wrong guesses that they cut out. Like, I think so too. You know, I think it was like, hold on. I think so too.

Is it Jimmy Buffett? Is it Jimmy Buffett? And then, okay, cut that. Yeah, no, it couldn't be Jimmy Buffett. Yeah. But should he come out in a costume and then they reveal or is that? Like a masked singer style thing? Yeah.

Yes. Or could they have like a, what if they have like a big box and there's like, there's somebody in the box? Well, what if they had like a sort of mission impossible? style, like truly impressive rubber mask of Jeff Probst. And midway through the challenge, they peel their head off and reveal that it was Zach Brown calling the challenge the whole time. Yeah.

I think that would be hard to do to pull off in execution. And I think it would be very sweaty in the Jeff Probst mask for Zach Brandy. Yeah, it's probably pretty hot on Fiji. And I think like, yeah, no, I mean, you poke holes. Hear me. Hear me out, though. I guess I have a rule, Rob, which is like, if you're going to shoot down one of my ideas, which is fine.

That's what we're doing here. You should have your moment. I have it already. Okay. Okay. So we're going to have, we have like the box is locked, okay? And Jeff Probe says, and like, hey, the winners of this challenge, you hold up the blocks and then you pull them down and then you get the key.

You're going to open this. There's a celebrity in this box. And the team that wins. You're going to the sanctuary with this. celebrity and then they have to do the whole challenge. They don't know who the celebrity is. It's like a big reveal. Maybe only the winning team even finds out. And then they can strategically lie about who it was to make the other

contestant's more upset. Who would be a good person to lie and say that it was? Or I guess when you have to like downplay it? Well, I hate to bring up Cochran again. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like it said like oh, it took. Like it was it was Michael Rappaport. Like it wasn't that great. Like, uh. Or you go, it was Boston Rob. And he taught me how to win the game.

name. But make your threat too big. The threat levels off the charts. Yeah. I think what if they rolled out a box, Rob, and they said, you know, we're going to give you a series of hints. If you guess correctly who the celebrity is, then they're involved in the reward. And if you don't guess it, we just roll the box right back.

You'll never know. Yeah. Do they get another clue and then eventually? Somebody has to get, they keep getting clues. Well, yeah, or is it a new celebrity next time or, you know, and also is there a live beat of the celebrity being upset that no one's guessing? Yeah. But I, you know, first of all, you mentioned I have this movie. Gosh, I'm, man, I'm still on the beans.

This is a big spoiler. So this movie, this like tennis pickleball movie that's going to be on Apple, on July, late July this year, July 24th, I. think. It's a little bit about, you know, the feud between tennis and pickleball, pickleball kind of being considered embarrassing and lame by a lot of people. There's that in there. And then there's also a little bit of a threat, a little bit of a B story. And this is not out there anywhere. This is exclusive. Exclusive. Mary Steenberg's character has a little bit of a runner about how people who live outside the South and enjoy country music and counter a lot of, like, discrimination and like unfair bias. And so my wife, who's from like the Bay Area,

which basically from San Francisco, but she loves country music. Yeah. She was singing along with Zach Brown. She knew the Zach Brown stuff. Oh yeah. Yeah. She knew it. And she knew, because I knew when he, look, when he said a little bit of chicken fried, I said, oh, I know this song. But when they said that they loved the song, you know, cold, colder weather or whatever it was, I didn't know that one. No. But she was singing along. Yeah.

And so it was that, that whole idea is based on her that she's like a sort of California, L.A. and Sam Francis who loves country music. Yeah. And so I kind of liked seeing, I do think there's a, we all remember on them on MySpace profiles that like the person with the least

personality in the world, they would say your music interest. You could put bands you liked, but like 80% of the field would people go, anything but country. And so I do think that that sentiment is alive and well of like, well, country music.

And it's like, shut the fuck up. Just listen. It's nice. This song was nice. The colder, I didn't know the song. Seem like a nice song.

Yeah. Now, did you get like a lot of points with your wife that you make her watch Survivor? And then, and then it turns out that one of her beloved. Zach Brown? Yeah, shows up. She was feeling it.

Mm-hmm. It was good. Yeah, that's going to pay off dividends down the road. Yeah. Maybe a little boys trip to Las Vegas. Hey, remember when I showed you that Zach Brown episode? You take the kids this weekend. Yeah.

No, yeah, I think it kind of just washed over her, to be honest. You have any thoughts about the Billy Elish boomerang idol? Yeah, yeah. I think it is a cool idea. I think that the design of the boomerang idol is a cool idea. And what's even cooler is that Billy herself is the one who wrote the note. Yep. Yeah, because it's written in the first person, right?

It's like, hey, hey, Genevieve, it's me, Billy Eilish. I, again, like, as I said, like, I like the Jack and Jill kind of thing. I do, yeah. I was like prepped to be annoyed by it, but it is very funny to me when they talk directly to when they go, thank you Billy I wish. And like, and even as I drafted Rick Devons in my draft, there was a pro like a trailer clip for the promo of the season. This son is just coming in. It may one second. Where he was saying, he was going, it's a bill.

Irish boomerang idol. They have to say it. They can't just say the boomerang out of it. They have to officially say, like, because her people will be pissed. Yeah, they must have, yeah, they must have had some contractual agreement. But I

like it. Do you, I mean, like, it's funny. It's a fucking stupid game. Like, it's, it's, you know, there's, there's brought, I think that look, I was excited for season 50. I was sad to see that Mr. Beast was going to be on, although maybe I'll like that too.

Maybe. I think, like, myself and some of the fan base sometimes act like there's like something sacred about Survivor. Yeah. But it's like a game show. And they're doing a silly, like, celebrity plug thing. And the actual game design of it, I think is clever and could, you know, could be interesting. We never know with these innovations if they actually impact the game at all.

So I'm like, yeah, great. Like, do it. What would you do with the Billy Eilish Boomerang? Would you try to make a friend? Would you try to help a buddy? Or would you try to screw somebody up and get them out? I've got the Billionish boomerang. Hang on.

I'm just putting myself there. I think I would put it in the pocket of someone who I did not mind seeing go home. Yeah. Like I just don't, I don't ever want to be in a position where there's someone who's holding an idol that could be mine if they get voted out. And I don't want that to happen because I'm like relying. on them as like a core part of my alliance or something like that. So I think I would do, you know, a little bit what I think what Genevieve did with Rizzo this

week where she said Rizzo trusts me so much that I could blindside him and get the idol like at any moment. And I don't think that he'll ever suspect that that's what I'm doing. And that's why I'm going to give it to him, not. because I want to play the game with him. I want to make sure he's safe. And I think that Rizzo did an interesting thing, very similar to on his season where he won that challenge,

but it was like, it was in a way, what was that first thing that he went to do? And it was like, the other person had fucked up so bad. Yeah, Alex. But it was like, the only reason he won was just a total fluke.

But then he sort of was like flexing on everybody. Like, yeah. And then he was like, he just finds an idol in his bag. He knows about the boobereg idol of it. He's like, how am I so good? I just keep doing it. It's like, I really like if it evergold likes it, but it's like, you didn't do anything.

Yeah. You know, it's not like, oh, thank you, whoever sent it. It's like, the risk God strikes again. It's God. Yeah. You know, I'm impressed because I kind of thought that maybe you were a little checked out on the new era because, you know, I didn't hear from you so much. I thought you're like, hey, look, I call me in Survivor 50, but I'm going to,

impressed that you even were watching Survivor 49. Yeah, I did watch 49. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was pretty into it. I'm like, and I, and I, and I, I thought Rizzo had a great season. There was somebody on that season that I wanted to win and then they got shipped out. Hmm. But there was, yeah, I thought 49 was pretty good. Nate Moore, is he a colleague of yours?

Oh my gosh. No, but you know what? I know someone who knows him well. Yeah. That was an interesting. God, that was a great lie about your job. Yeah. What was his lie? What did he tell people?

He's a stay-at-home dad? Yes. He said he was a stay-at-home dad. He's like, I can't let him know that I'm a producer on a Marvel movie. Yeah. Everybody would have been psyched. Yeah. Everybody would have been like wanting to work with him.

I told you one time that I would want to go on the show. Do you take it back? And you discouraged me. Yeah. Or do you want to go? You know, you said, you said, you said, I think your life is fine. But that's a toxic trade of mine. I see people that I look at. I think you might be right though.

Yeah, I see people who are successful. I'm like, what do you need this for? Like even Mike White. No, it's true. And I probably would say to Mike White, like Mike White, what are you doing? Why do you go back on Survivor? But he likes it. He gets a lot out of it.

He loves it. He likes the experience. He's done these other ones. But I do, I do. God, I can't stop. I can't keep Cochran's name out of my mouth. Yeah. But, you know, he obviously, he went on had a pretty bad experience in South Pacific.

Yeah. Then he went back for Caramone, won the game. Right. And then he, you know, I've asked him, like, they invite you for winners at war. And he goes, they always invite me. He went out on top. What am I going to do? Yeah.

I went and I won. Yeah. I could only diminish the experience by going back. It's admirable. And I kind of get that. And you do see, Mike White arguably could have. won the game on his first season and had this incredible run and it was an amazing season. And it's like, no, I get why you don't say no to 50, but I also get how it's very

frustrating to go out there and to go home kind of early and just, you know, feel like you're, you were playing well and you were with your buddies and get blindsided. Like it's, it, it bolsters the Cochran philosophy of like, you know, if you had a great run, maybe you leave it. But I brought it up because I think if I go on, what do I say my job is? Hmm. Probably podcaster.

Yeah, they didn't work for John Lovett too well, though. They didn't like that. I don't think they cared, honestly, about John Lovitt's podcasting. I don't know if that was the issue. Yeah, the podcast label. Yeah, I think podcaster is fine, especially if you don't, like, I don't even podcast about survival. Well, I used to podcast about reality.

I had a reality show show, but we stopped doing it a long time. ago. Yeah, that's been over. Yeah. So I think that you should be fine. This is like a statute of limitations. Yeah. I think that's people are podcasters about survival. Well, they are certainly after they are. Yeah. So I think you'd be fine. You know, Sean, I was thinking about what you were saying about coach and how he was polarizing because I really kind of feel like that at one point he was, but maybe not so much anymore. And I was tying it back to Jack and Jill.

And I wonder if you think that coach's career as a survivor kind of follows the trajectory of Adam Sandler's star of Jack and Jill where I think that there were a lot of people who in Adam Sandler's early days in the middle of his career, he sucks. He's not that great. But he's kind of come around. I mean, he was dismissed as like sort of a juvenile kind of flash in the pan, like silly, like for kids. And then he showed you he had real serious chock. Yeah.

And I feel like he's kind of universally beloved now. And I think that people, I think that's how they look at coach of like, oh, I grew up with coach. Like, yeah, he's great. He's great. Yeah. No, he's become sort of an elder statesman. And I do think that he is sort of our Adam Sandler in the survivor community. This is his happy Gilmore too.

That's a really good observation. Yeah. Yeah, this is his happy go for two. It's like, okay, it's not funny. No, I mean, complete with flashbacks to some of these moments to kind of shore up your memory of what it is. Yeah. That's good. I think there's something there.

That's very good. Yeah. I'll tell you what else I would have drafted. If I hadn't gotten Devons, the next person on the board, if the person before me took him, you know what I would have taken? Who? Angelina. Wow. She's been a little understated so far, Angelina.

She has, but I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Something about something about Angelina. David versus Goliath, she sort of drove me nuts, but she ended up winning me over by the end.

Yes, yeah. Here she is back. My wife's only observation when she was on screen that time, she said, this woman is wearing fake eyelashes. That's my wife too. Yes.

She's really fixated on it. This is insane. Yeah. Yeah. And my wife will just keep saying it. She'll make the same observation like over and over again. I think she has fake eyelashes.

Like, oh, really? I didn't know that. But it's just like keeps like every time she's on the screen like she's those eyes like that's not even a question

in my house. This woman has fake eye lashes. Mm-hmm. But yeah, she is she is a little understated. But now maybe she and Ozzie are going to team up and send the good doctor packing.

Yeah. My wife is really big on calling out if she thinks that somebody, uh, it's like, oh, that person, that was,

Ozempic. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's big like, like, okay. I don't know what to do with that information once she calls it out, but I also can't, yeah, I'm not allowed to also like push back of like, oh, you know everything. Right.

You want to get her. You want to catch her. No, I'm like, how do you know? It's actually diet and exercise. Yeah, she's like, because I do, because I know. Like, all right. Okay. Look, it's out there.

Hey, here I am. I'm in L.A. A lot of people are on it. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I'm my own business. Yeah. Let's get the let's get up.

Hey, look, I don't know what's going to happen with this thing 20 years from now. Yeah. I'm open to the possibility that it's a miracle drug for some people. Yeah. Look, their health is at risk. Live and let live. Some people overdo it. Yes, Rob, some people overdo it.

Yeah. Okay. And you can tell your wife that I think so, too. Yeah. Okay. Let me ask you if I may, if you can talk about this. Okay. So you have a new show that's coming up.

It's called Lex, and it has such an interesting plot line for us in our world. And so relatable where that the plot, from what I understand, is that there is a disgraced former reality star who is making a cameo. God knows, I've been there, okay? And while making a cameo from what I understand, tell me, spoiler alert, that he films a murder. or some sort of like elicit activity in the background. Yeah, he captures like an assassination in the background of a cameo video.

Wow. And then and then and then, you know, is sort of pulled into this conspiracy because he now has video evidence of this like crime. Yeah. There's whatever global politics. And do people not believe this person because of there it's like, okay, you lied about your grandmother being dead. We're not going to believe that this is a deep fake.

You know, I'll tell you the truth. It's based more on the person, the character is based more on the sort of Bravo Leopardy world and less so on like the competition show world. I'll tell you, I had years ago, I had an idea that I wanted to do and the show was going to be called the losers. and the opening of the show was going to be like, you know, Richard Hatch being announced as the winner of like this big show

and being handed this million dollar check. And then just a slow push on like the five people who didn't win. And then the show would just follow those five people. And like what happened to them is this other, you'd cut four or five years and this person's like a huge celebrity and has a talk show. And they're all kind of trying to like figure it out. And then you could use like. And the rest of them, they're all like podcasting.

and stuff. Well, it's like, yeah, whatever they're doing, but the idea, too, being that you would open episodes with, like, a flashback of, like, someone, like, making the lines and betraying the other person. And then in their current day life, they would somehow end up in a scenario that mirrors whatever happened to them, like, on the island. And you would kind of use that as, like, a template for the show. And that was the idea. It sort of immediately fell apart for me where I was like, well, why would these five people still, like, know each other and live in the same? city. They're in the group chat.

And have those. Yeah, the group chat would have been good. But just to say, I've been trying to do something because I love reality TV and trying to do some scripted version like in this world for a while. And then I do watch all the, you know, Southern Charm and Summerhouse and Vanderpump and all these different things. And the real world I always loved. And so I kind of got into some of these people as more of like a character study and especially like what happens to them after they're off the show.

Not even that somebody won, but maybe it's just like the show's still going without them. And they kind of feel like they like, you know, were the person that popped. And now they no longer have the attention that they want and they're doing cameos. And so it was sort of from that like that kind of idea instead of the, like more Survivor and Big Brother and competition style shows. Well, it's such a rich world to mine. And I think it's going to be a really, really fun show.

And I can't wait to see what you do with it. Thanks. Do you do cameo? Have you ever done a cameo? I've never done a cameo. I've done, sometimes we'll get like direct requests from people where it's like, my friend is a huge Hollywood Handbook fan.

And they're getting married tomorrow and can you give us like a little video for them. And I'll just like send the video. But I've never gone up on one of those sites. Do they mind if you do it solo? Are they like, where's Hayes? Can you do another one with Hayes? I've done some solo. Sometimes sometimes I do it with Hayes, but you know, we're not always.

We're not always together. You don't live together or anything like that. No, not yet. Not yet. Sean, is there anything else that's on your mind? Survivor, Survivor 50, anything else in the world you want to talk about? Is there anything else I want to talk about with Survivor? Well, you got to guess who wins?

As of right now, let's see, I do feel like that coach is in a pretty good spot, especially now that he's linked up with Colby and Joe, like he's kind of like insulated by, an honor and integrity alliance. And I think that he's sort of like insulated there. And I think that he's the one guy that at the end of the day, like might make a self-interested move out of the alliance that's all honor and integrity. Yeah. It's good to be the person in the honor and integrity alliance who doesn't mind.

That has the honor. You know. Yes. Yeah. He's always got a justification for it. Yeah. He's always got he can kind of talk himself into. whatever he does being the correct thing.

Yeah. You're going to get everybody else buying into the honor. Like Boston Rob did that in the season that he won where it's like, hey, everybody, you got to tell me everything. We tell each other everything in this line. But he didn't tell everybody. You know. Yeah.

Of course not. No, he threw his idol in the volcano. He threw his idol in the volcano. They didn't know about that. Yeah. So I think, yeah. Okay, well, that's a good guess. for me

I like that boy that'd be exciting to see coaches win I don't know I will say as you brought up Colby hats off to Survivor again because I thought I was done with Colby yeah

I was like Colby's coming back that's a snooze for me yeah he didn't seem like he does that into it seeing him seeing him comment on the younger generation seeing him hate Rizzo and then come around to Rizzo

that was good yeah man that Riz God he's annoying I can't stand this kid Now he's like my son But you know what? Yeah, he's my kid Like sometimes I have kids

And sometimes I'm like boy, these kids are annoying Oh my God You know? And then he's like, I love this guy Look at it look what he did And then I'm like boy he's lazy On the same 10 minute car drop He literally every emotion you could have about someone

Yeah He doesn't do anything He just sits there all day No I'm so mad at them in one second And then the way in which they react to me being mad, I'll be like, this fucking kid's the best. The best person I've ever met. Right. Yeah. So I think that's what Colby's experiencing.

I feel like was there no Surrey this last episode? It was light. Oh, she was, this is what I wanted to ask you. She was a judge in the talent competition. And I wanted to ask you, okay, as a Hollywood professional, did you cast a vote in your head for who should win the Survivor Tamp? talent show between Rick Devin's juggling. Then we had the, uh, like action movie sequence between Jonathan and Charlie. Yeah. And then Rizzo did a Mickey Mouse impression.

So I'd like to think based on the win that they handed out that there were other impressions. Yeah. Because if it was just Mickey Mouse, they need to really reevaluate whether they should be disrespecting Rick Devin's juggling so much. Because look, the stage combat thing, like, I just don't even know how to award that.

Yeah. Like, the two people are involved. There's some K-fabe happening. Like, I don't know. That doesn't really feel like talent show material to me. Loved watching it. They kind of showed us in the... In the preview, they kind of made it seem like,

oh, wow, next week, Charlie and And Jonathan is going to kick Charlie's ass next week. Jonathan's going to break his spine. Yeah, that was interesting to put it in the preview. It fooled me. But I think if it's only the Mickey Mouse impression, Mickey Mouse impression, and by the way, I have a Kermit the Frog impression.

It's pretty good. Yeah. But it's like Mickey and Kermit and some of these ones. I'll do it, yeah. Give me a second. Now I set myself up. Kermit the Frog here. So it's like, good.

By the way, did you watch the new Muppets show on Disney Plus? I haven't watched it yet. Oh, I watch it. I want to. I hear it's excellent. It was very good, but that was my biggest complaint, though. And they only did one episode. I'm like, oh, great.

Well, watch this every week. Voice was very bad. It was not even. Yeah, he's got a new voice. New voice. And I'm like, what are we even doing here? And I'm like, you know, our kids going to grow up with Kermit. I don't know kids don't even care about Kermit the frog.

You know what? This is leading. into what I do want to say about Survivor. And it's my fault. I should stay offline. I feel like the fan base, at least like on Reddit, is so negative. And it's just turned that way so much. And like the Zach Brown thing, yeah, was it a little too long?

Did I, would you, if you ask me, do you want to see Zach Brown spearfishing? I would have said, probably not. But the shot with the giant Ray and he's under, I was. like this is good TV. So like everyone was just so nasty about it. And I feel the same way a little bit about and I'm sure the Kermit's voice thing would bother me. But that was like a lot of the chatter I saw.

It took me out of it. I have to admit. This guy's voice. So yeah, I think it would bother me too. I'll be honest. But then the response to that was people going like, they know the name of the puppeteer. And they're like, this is his version of Kermit. And these things should be allowed to.

evolve and I was just like I guess but yeah I guess like I need to touch grass and so to all of you because it's like we can't we can't be this mad about Zach Brown. We can't be this mad about Kermit or defend Kermit's puppeteer this hard like it's all you know I don't know what else I'm going to do with my time but it all feels like well I think that this is everything where it's like only the people who are mad you hear from. And so you're like, this is what everybody is saying. But the people who are like, it's fine. Nobody's like going out there, like commenting like, this is fine.

It's like, you know, it was 1% too much, 1%. So it's only the people who are absolutely mad about stuff are commenting. Yeah. No, I guess that's right. And I'm just complaining anyway about something else. Yeah. But that's how it is. I will say.

All I was going to say was if you're, if you're, your impression is like Mickey, Kermit, Christopher Walken, like anything that kind of everybody does, I don't think you can win the talent show. Yeah. He does Elmo too. Cosby. He does Elmo?

I've heard a pretty good Elmo before. Do you think that Risgod does Cosby? Do you think that's in his repertoire? That may be what got caught. I think he might have had two impressions of what was Cosby at the producers go, look, we'll show him winning, but let's just kind of spot. light on Mickey. You know what I mean?

Push the Mickey impression. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they can't get away with that. Shut it down. But they said he won. Maybe he won on the strength of the Cosby. Yeah, that's

my assumption. Yeah. Okay. Maybe he did like all of Eddie Murphy Raw. He's doing Cosby. He's doing prior. That's his comedy background. It could be interesting.

Yeah. I'm not saying I wouldn't watch. Okay. All right. Well, Sean, I appreciate you making some time to talk with us. Of course. Thanks for having me. I know you are super busy.

And so it's always fun to catch up. And it really meant a lot to me that you came out to the live show because I know it's, listen, I figure you don't live around the corner from the theater. It's a school night. So I appreciated you making it out for the show. We did it. It was later than I thought, but it was a thrill. And yeah, thanks for having me.

Always a pleasure. And for people who are the uninitiated, check out the Hollywood Handbook podcast. I'd say that it takes, like, listen to about 10 episodes. And then you'll listen to one episode. I don't know if I get it. You're not going to like the first episode. You listen to you. Don't let that trick you into thinking that it's a bad podcast.

It just requires sort of like a Stockholm syndrome kind of effect. over time you start to decide that it's good. Yeah, you gotta watch it enough and then you'll get into it. I'm trying to think of what show that is of that you gotta watch like into like, it's a season two and it really is gonna take off. Yeah.

Well, people can, you know, fill in what show that's been for them. I was always told the wire starts a little slow. Wires says, I was to say Star Trek the next generation, but I don't want you to think that I'm like a huge or nerd than maybe you might already think. Come on. It's impossible.

Yeah. TNG. Come on. Yeah, that's a little bit slow. Schitt's Creek improved over time. Yeah. But it's not to say that your show is slow. Not to say, yeah, not to say that the handbook is slow.

It's like you won't get it. It's like alienating. And it's like, it's like you got to like what is this? I don't, this is not for me. But then you come back to it. Not that I'm a caviar guy also. My friend and I host the show, we use our own names where we're a little bit in character as like kind of Hollywood jerks. And we interview real people, but it's a little bit like Bear or Jiminy Glick or one of those where we kind of are acting fake.

And it sometimes is off putting it first and sometimes forever. And you have great guests on it. And you know, but it's very freeing because sometimes like I will sometimes on this show, sometimes I will not. not always say things that I mean. Sometimes I'm like, I know I'm joking and I say something that I'm joking. I don't mean what I'm saying. But then it's very, it's very much where people are like, Rob, how did you, why, how could you say that?

I'm like, well, I'm, it's very hard for me to be like, well, I'm, I'm being, I'm, you know, I'm being a character myself. I'm using a little bit of sarcasm. Yeah. I'm embodying of an opinion that I actually don't agree with. You said, you thought it would be funny if Rizzo did a Bill Cosby impression. It's like, yeah, but I was Joe, I didn't really mean it. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So, but now with ours, we can just always. Yeah, that's nice. Extremely thin veil of, well, I was doing a character. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. Sean, where could people check out everything you're doing?

Okay. So, yeah, Hollywood Handbook is, I think, wherever you get your podcasts, and we have a Patreon called Hollywood Handbook and Friends, where we have even more shows, a basketball show and another, like, show called Hollywood Handbook the Pro version. And then, you know, I think you can watch Severance on Apple when that comes out. Oh, they do. And then the dink will also be on Apple July 24th.

It's a fun comedy. Jake Johnson, Ben Stiller, Ed Harris, Mary Steenbergin, hilarious comedian named Aaron Chen. Just so funny in the movie. Andy Roddick was playing himself yeah it was really fun I mean I was such a tennis geek as a kid

it was like having you know one of my heroes there so that and then yeah and then fingers crossed for this pilot we're going to film this pilot I think sometime this year and then I hope it's good and I hope they make it a series

and I hope we all watch it and love it and in the reality community we embrace this scripted show about a reality stuff It could be a huge boost for cameo. That is, yeah, that is something that I've been wanting to tackle. Yeah. You know.

Yeah. This should be like a great, like, because when they did that movie, send help, they did all these things. Like, you need to get like the star of the show, Lex, the titular Lex, like really on cameo. And then people are like buying cameos for Lex. And he's really, and he's really sending them out to people. That's going to be a huge part. of the marketing campaign. Yeah, it's smart.

And then what's happening in the background? What's happening in the background? Yeah. You got to analyze it frame by frame. Maybe you just do one and then it's like, then that one's going viral also. Sean, can I make one last request from you? Okay.

Can you cut a promo challenging Q to pickleball match where you will kick Q's ass in pickleball? Okay, I'll try. Q, I've been hearing some tough talk about your skills out on the pickleball court. Rob C told me you're going to try to hit me with a nasty Nelson. Well, there's no Nelson nastier than this one right here. I can dink, I can drive. I'll pull you into the kitchen and I'll fry you up and eat you, brother.

Night everybody. Thank you.