RHAP: We Know Survivor - Sophi Balerdi Talks Survivor 50 Premiere

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Sophi Balerdi Talks Survivor 50 Premiere Survivor 50 is back, and host Rob Cesternino welcomes special guest and Survivor 49 alum Sophi Balerdi for a deep dive into the breathtaking three-hour premiere. This is a full-episode recap, with Sophi bringing her perspective as a recent player to break down big strategic swings, camp culture clashes, and new twists that could upend the season. From the jump, Survivor legends like Ozzy, Coach, and Cirie make waves—especially as Ozzy and Coach battle it out for tribe supplies during the tense first journey. Rob and Sophi explore whether sacrificing long-term camp comfort for a strategic advantage is the right call, and why these early choices may make or break new alliances. The podcast digs into the new school vs. old school dynamic, debating if focusing less on shelter and more on social strategy will pay off, and how power players navigate these shifting priorities. Big topics include Jenna’s bold gameplay and its consequences, Kyle’s surprising and emotional medevac, and Savannah landing in the spotlight as the “unknown quantity” winner. From consensus votes to hidden advantages, the episode explores what’s working—and what isn’t—in the early game. – Sophi shares how the opening scramble for supplies shapes tribe morale and sets up rivalries – Rob and Sophi debate old school vs. new era, from camp building to social priorities – Deep dive into Cirie’s target status and how the tribe weighs loyalty against legend – The fallout of Savannah hiding her vote block advantage and why suspicion may not pay off – How the new Billie Eilish Boomerang Idol could change cross-tribe trust and risk Is sticking to a clean, consensus vote the best early option, or will it leave openings for blindsides? Is Ozzy too loaded with advantages—or ready to get caught by surprise? Survivor 50’s premiere sets up big questions about whether classic or new-school strategies are really in charge. To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Chapters: 0:00 Intros 6:14 Coach Takes Key From Ozzy 8:59 Supplies Impact New School Play 13:07 Old School vs New School Rift 18:48 Jenna Targets Cirie Early 25:18 Cila Tribe’s Downward Spiral Begins 34:41 Ozzy Collects Early Advantages 39:01 Aubry and Genevieve’s Awkward Exchange 46:05 Savannah Reveals Her Winner Status 50:54 Savannah Hides Vote Block Advantage 53:24 Players React To No Rice Twist 54:50 Billie Eilish Boomerang Idol Introduced 59:36 Ozzy Faces Advantage Overload 1:02:58 Rizo’s Game Play Perceptions 1:07:00 Dee Targeted Despite New Allies 1:17:04 Subway Hand On Idol Challenge 1:26:06 Tres Leches Build Real-Life Bonds 1:31:01 Pre-40s Adjust To New Era 1:35:13 Christian Emerges As Social Favorite 1:36:54 Colby Remains Grandma’s Survivor Crush 1:38:04 Soph Hosts Survivor Red Carpet Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

Coming to you live from my apartment. It's Rob has a podcast. And now here's the guy who's not pushing 50 anymore. I'm Rob Sestrinino. Hello, everybody, and welcome back. Just kidding. I'm not 50. I'm actually the same age as Rizzo's dad.

And we are here and we have so much to talk about here after three hours of the Survivor premiere. And we have a great guest here with us to talk about it all because it was only a couple of months ago that she was right there. on these very beaches, which I believe, from what I understand, it only ended nine days earlier from what we saw here on Survivor 50. Please welcome our good friend. You can call her Sof. It's Sophie Balearity. Sophie B.

How are you? I'm so good, Rob. This is a dream come true for me. I've been watching him. I've been a Patreon for years. And what an honor. Let's full circle moment for me to be able to be here for me. for premiere night of season 50.

Okay, well, this is so nice to get to talk to you about all of this. And I know you told me that you've watched the episode now three times. So I am very excited to pick your brain on all of this. And we had so much to talk about with the first person voted off, Jenna, who I got to speak to this morning. And then also Kyle, who was removed from the game. I also got to speak with him. And those are up on robinsonwebson website.com. How are you doing?

I'm doing so good. This week has been really crazy. I'm still in New York. I was here for the premiere. I was here on Sunday. We went to the Mike White Party, which is really cool. Wow. Look at you.

I know. Rubbing elbows with the glitterati. I know. And he's actually so cool in person. It was the first time I'd ever met him. You know, he's ripped now also. I was going to say, I didn't know he was hiding a six-pack under the suit he was wearing on Sunday. So we watched the episode on Monday with just the cast.

and then we watched it again on Tuesday with also just the cast for the red carpet, which I hosted, thanks to CBS. And then last night I was at Rizzo's watch party watching it with him. So I'm here. I watch it. I'm the perfect person to recap this with you because I know everything. Yes. Okay. You are the perfect person to talk about all of this.

And I have so many questions about your trip to New York. But I think we can get to that all along the way because we have so much to unpack from the Survivor 50 premiere. What was your take as a longtime fan with the Survivor 50 premiere overall? I'm not going to lie. And I'm not a harsh critic with anything. You're a straight shooter. I am. I would say this, no, but I would say this was pretty great.

Like, I loved the episode. I really enjoyed it. I think I did some TikTok this morning where I rated a 9.8 out of 10 might be too high. But I just enjoyed it the entire time. I got goosebumps. Like every part of the episode, the beginning, especially the first 20 minutes, I thought were perfect. They did justice to, I think, the entire franchise. And I just loved it, Rob.

I don't know about you. What did you think of it? Yeah, I thought that especially in the beginning, I think they really hit all of the right notes. And there were a lot of little subtle details of things that they did right. I particularly liked the music at tribal council where they went back to the old. stuff and so they really nailed it on all of that.

Again, if we're going to like, you know, keep it 100, probably you know, I think that they could have just ended the episode at the end of the one tribal council. I think that remember when Q was talking about like hey, when you're at the

blackjack table and you're you have a, I think he was talking about hitting on 16, but I feel like we were at like a, we we had like a 19. And then Survivor was like, you know what? We need more. We need another card.

Yeah. I mean, it could be that the next episode, they just didn't have time to include it. But I can't complain. Like, it did feel a little weird right after Tribal seeing 30 minutes more of an episode seeing a journey. But at the same time,

I'm like, it's more Survivor. Someone else went home. It was horrible circumstances, but it was still like, it was still entertaining. Yeah, I have a feeling that has more to do. with trying to make the timing work where I think that maybe they thought they had two hours for the second episode and they're doing this other cooking show that's also going to be 90 minutes. So I don't know if there was anything with like they thought it was going to be a longer second night,

but whatever. We're nitpicking here, but that's the podcast. That's what you do, right? Yeah, we don't have three hours next week. Yeah. We have three hours this week. So I guess they had to do it. Yes.

It was an embarrassment of riches. They had too much stuff to get to on night. number one. So for you watching this, and I'm sure we'll talk all about Savannah and Rizzo, but what do you think was the thing that really caught your attention around this big premiere? There was a lot of things. I think there were a lot of building of dynamics. Like I didn't think

the first journey I thought was really long. It was interesting that like the Aussie coach Q thing. I think for me was like, oh, the fight for supplies between, Q, Ozzy and coach was very long, but I was like, maybe they're setting up some kind of rivalry again for season 50 with Ozzy and coach, because I didn't think they needed to show Ozzy going like this for like literally 10 minutes, it felt like. But I don't know, that's set out to me because it was just really long. Yeah. The dynamics between. I'm all in on that, by the way. I'm ready for, they should do, they should do, this coach and Ozzy season is,

the rivalry is hot. I'm ready for, what if we do next season? that we do a season all around this season where we bring back coach and Ozzie as captains. And then they each have their own drives. Yeah. But what do you think of that? I would love that. I wouldn't know who to choose to be my captain, but that would be crazy. That's a good idea.

I like that. Yeah, I like that too. Yeah. So, yeah, that was very interesting. Do you feel like that coach made the right decision with what he did with taking the key from Ozzie? 100%. That journey actually showed me a lot about both coach and Ozzie together because coach, it seems like, okay, he's here to play for himself. He said it himself. I think it's like coach 4.0 or 2.0 that is coming to play. You have to be selfish, especially on a season like

season 50. Like he came back. He did it for himself. And then he backtracked again later. I was like, just own it. I feel like I would just own it. Mike White even said it. He's not mad at coach for doing it. So I don't know. He got the supplies. Exactly. And so I don't think the tribe would fault him for that. Maybe they will for lying or not mentioning it. And then Ozzy with the Exile Island thing, the fact that he convinced Q to give him the extra vote instead of taking the tribe, the supplies,

I think 10 years ago, Ozzie probably would have taken the supplies and not think, wouldn't have thought as strategically, but he's like, no, I might need this extra vote. So I like that. I got to see both of those kind of sides of coach and Ozzie,

because it's kind of giving me an idea of how they're going to to play this season. So tell me how big of a deal is it to have the person not come back with the supplies? So we remember back in season 49 famously when the Riz God and Alex went head to head and then Alex did not come back with anything. Was not having those supplies? Do you think that that was a factor in your original tribe spiraling out? 100%. And that day when he came back without it, we didn't think it was that big of a deal in the moment because you're still not even as hungry that day. It's day one.

Like we ate a big breakfast at Ponderosa before that. And we're still on the high of getting to know each other. So it wasn't until like day four after we had already gone to tribal council. We were still without Flint. We were still without supplies that I was like, oh, this is getting bad. Like we can't, we're only eating coconuts. I couldn't even swallow coconut. So, I mean, for me personally, I didn't eat anything because I kept losing until day 11 or 12.

and that I think really influenced the rest of my game and just how I was and how I was acting. So I think it's pretty bad if you can't get the supplies after a while. Initially not as bad, but after a while, it can be pretty detrimental. Because I was kind of like, coach, who cares? Just let Ozzy have it.

What's the big deal? But you think it really does matter quite a bit in terms of having those tribe supplies. Well, I also think for the old school players, having tribe supplies probably means way more to them. I don't know if in their head they're still thinking of a 39 day game. But I mean, really it's not that big of a deal. Like I didn't see a fire until almost a second week of season 49.

And it wasn't that necessary. And also like it's interesting watching and we'll probably get to it. But the dynamics between Colby and Rizzo, like Rizzo telling Colby, like building a shelter isn't that big of a deal. Like we sleep on the ground and it's fine. Yeah. And the old school players are, it's clear that. you're focusing on that stuff when the new era, at least for what I experienced,

it wasn't that important the camp life building it and setting all that up. Okay, so tell me this, because I feel like if I got to Survivor and I'm old school, but maybe new school at heart, maybe you could say that, right? Yeah. What do you do all day if you don't build a shelter or try to like fix your living conditions? You talk to each other. You get to know each other because again, it's not a 39 day game. What is this a podcast?

I mean, a little bit. Like, I mean, this is what happened with Annie. Annie on season 49. All she wanted to do, and maybe she had an old school mindset was build, build, build. And she kept going off on her own, finding bamboo, finding stuff to like build a bed. Meanwhile, me, Alex, Jeremiah, even sometimes I would go off with Nicole. That's when I was building my relationships when these people were going off on their own. Or when Annie was going off on her own trying to build like the perfect camp life.

Like at the end of the day, we're going to suffer. anyway, at least like establish those connections with the time we do have. Hmm. This is interesting because Jenna Lewis brought this up also where she talked about how Dee said in the premiere, look, we sleep in the dirt. The dirt's fine. And Jenna Lewis told me, she's like, what do you mean the dirt's fine? What do you mean that this is just what we do now?

So do you think this idea of the new school and the old school having different thoughts on the game that do you feel like that this is going to be a bigger problem? than we realize in this season. A hundred percent. And I'm thinking specifically right now for my friend, my boy, the Riz God, because him and I, I wouldn't say we're lazy, but like in terms of camp life, him and I would talk about this out there in Fiji

that like, why are people fixating on cleaning the freaking pot? We're not eating. Like, why are you spending an hour going out? Like, so I remember the day Sophie Sogretti, Yellow Sophie was voted out. All the strategizing we did before she was voted out was when she was cleaning her clothes in the, pot in the ocean.

Like, this is when the important conversations are happening. You cannot leave camp. You can't take a second, especially in the new era, to step away. You've got to be involved. And Colby said himself, like, Rizzo doesn't have this work ethic, but will Rizzo be strategizing and getting things done while Colby's focusing on this work ethic stuff? Like, we'll see. Yeah.

It's very interesting in terms of how the game is going to go. Because I totally hear you. And I do think that this is a young thing. person thing just generally in Survivor. I don't even want to say it's a generational thing because when you go back to the very old days of Survivor, that it's the same types of things that the older players were saying about the younger players, like the people who are my age now, but were, you know, the 20 somethings back in the early days of Survivor, that there was a lot of the same types of things being said

of like, oh, they don't work hard. They don't want to do anything. All they want to do is just sit around and talk. It wasn't necessarily sit around and talk about the game as much in the very early days of Survivor, but this is a tale as old as time. Yeah. No, and I do find it interesting. And again, I understand it in a 39-day game.

Like, I want to set up my camp life to be comfortable if I'm going to be here for 30 days. But with the new era, too, there's tribe swaps. There's a lot of things that change. And you might be, you might take a whole day to set up a camp and make it look pretty. And then the next day, Jeff is going to be like, okay, We're slopping tribes and we're going to a new beach. And that's like you just wasted a ton of energy on nonsense when you could have just slept on the beach

instead of like some uncomfortable bamboo, which I prefer anyway. Do you think that the idea of the old school players sticking together and the new school players sticking together is a bigger idea than we realize right now? That's a good question. Based off of what you've seen here in this first episode, do you feel like that that's a thing right now?

As of right now, it doesn't seem like it because we see Genevieve, Colby come around to Rizzo. We see Rick Devons and Christian really want to work with Emily Flippen, who is very famously like a new era player. And so I don't know if that's something that is going. I think that the OG players maybe came in being worried that they were going to be targeted right off the bat. So they're open to work with the new era players. You see Kyle pretty well insulated with Stephanie, Colby. I don't know if that's a factor in the season so far. far.

Yeah. At least from what I see. Yeah, I think you're right in terms of players gravitating towards the players that they have a similar sensibility to more so than like, well, who's from my era? Right. Exactly. It's not, I mean, Colch and Ozzy would say from the same era. They're not really getting along.

So, I mean, yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say something that's a big factor right now. Yeah. If you were out there, so who were the players? though that you would grab it. Forget Savannah and Rizzo. From the other people that are there, who are the people that you would have been really psyched to work with? Oh, that's a good question.

I think honestly, I would have loved to play with Surrey. I feel like I see a lot of myself in her in the way that she plays the game. Like, I was not physically very confident and I didn't contribute a lot to my tribe. How are you with a monkey's fist? Yeah. Oh, my God.

That was bad. But I don't even blame her because I did the same thing with the puzzles on my tribe. Like there was like, I think on episode two or three, I was blamed for the reason why we had to go to tribal council. But I persevered because I had a good social game. And those connections, especially in a season like season 50, I feel like you have to emphasize loyalty and show these players

why that in the long run is more important than like winning immunities. And that's exactly what Ceri did. And I'm also such a fan girl with her. I think I could a lot of, not that she has an ego at all, but a lot of the maybe people on season 50 could have egos and I would just suck up to them by like fan girling over them. So maybe a lot of the old school players I would want to work with because I think the new era ones have the new era, you know, downpacked like people like Charlie, Genevievee would scare me. So I think I would gravitate towards them like Surrey, Ozzie. And yeah, I think that.

So Surrey's name came up from Jenna Lewis and I really thought that there would be more people that were sort of in the camp of what? No, not Surrey. We love her so much. I don't know if that was necessarily what happened. I thought there would be more people there who were like you, who were saying like, oh, I'm dying to work with Surrey, the people that were, had grown up watching her play. But it didn't really seem like that she was surrounded by people like that on her tribe.

In her tribe in particular, I think that there ended up being more new era or more old era people than the new era, right? Who were the new? Emily was there, Savannah and Joe. Is that it on that tribe? Just them. And none of the three of them were like, oh my God, I can't believe Surrey is here. If anything, Savannah was, hey, Surrey is one of the people that has to go.

And Joe was a little spooked by her and Ozzy. So I thought that she'd be surrounded by people like you who were like, I'm dying to work with Surrey. I know. That was fascinating. and I did, I was surprised about Sav not like fan-girling as much over her. But she, like, idolizes other kind of players, like more similar to her too. So, and I also think people like Joe and Savannah are very- She idolized Colby.

She thanks Colby for all of the joy that he's brought her. Oh, yeah. That was funny. I was like, Sab, you never told me about Colby like that. I didn't realize. Savannah, that Colby brought so much joy to Savannah's life. I think she was just playing the game in that sense. I've never heard her say, I love Colby.

Like, that's so funny. But, yeah, I think Joe and Savannah are just players that they value, like, physical strength, especially at the beginning. And I think ultimately her connection with Ozzy is maybe what saved her. But there's a lot we didn't see because I don't know what changed Rick, Devons, and Christian's mind when it came to that. Because all we saw was, like, could it be, Surrey, could it be, could be Jenna. So you never know. Sometimes they do it to, like, throw a little bit about.

situation here with Jenna Lewis. Now, here's something that Jenna has in common with you. So the last time that I played Survivor was in Survivor All-Stars. And not only me, but also Jenna Lewis, there were two Jenna's, and they called her Jenna L. Really? Mm-hmm. I actually don't remember that. Yes.

Did they called Jenna L? So the other Jenna, was she just Jenna? No, she was Jenna M. Oh, okay. And then she was Jenna L. And then that's the same thing with me and Boston Rob. Yeah. But Boston Rob was Boston Rob and you were just Rob?

I know. He was Boston Rob and I was Rob C. C, yeah. I remember that actually. And did Jenna M go home early? Yes, she did. Okay, that's why I'm like, I don't even remember that. Yes.

So I don't think that they still called her Jenna L. Then after Jenna M left. Yeah. And they didn't shorten it to just Jen. Maybe if they both had made the merge. If they both made the merge, Jeff was like, all right, we're going to need you guys to make a decision here because we can't have two Jenna's.

Yeah. And even if they give them options, he'll pick Jen and Jenna. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let's talk a little bit about Jenna Lewis. And what she had said to me when I did the exit interview with her this morning,

she said that she felt like that she was not only late to the party, she felt like that she was not even invited to the party. And I'm reading between the lines that she felt like that maybe people had been talking before the season and not talking to her. What do you think of that? I think it's definitely possible, especially on a returning season, that that happens. I mean, we've seen, especially on the CELA tribe, and I don't know if it's just because they went to tribal council,

but those dynamics, it seems like they connected really quickly, especially like Christian and Devons, and I've never seen them play together. So maybe they've met, you know, in passing in real life in the past and they've established some kind of connection. I'm sure that could have happened. Yeah. And maybe Jenna doesn't go to certain events that they do

and Emily may have met Christian somewhere. I don't know actually the real, like, relationships in real life. But that's, it definitely could have happened. And she probably knows more than we do. Um, but she, I actually did talk to her recently. She told me that she felt something was off even like just landing in Fiji and Ponderosa. Like she was just not welcome there. I wonder if there's any truth to that, but.

Yeah. I don't want to take anything away from how she's feeling. And if that's her lived experience, then that's her, that's her experience. But I also wonder if it can be a little bit of like a self-fulfilling prophecy of that if you are feeling that way, oh, I'm not welcome here. Maybe could that be something that you are really magnifying, even if it's you're just like faking that you feel like you belong there? Right. And then maybe she felt that way actually going into the game. She felt like she had to put everything on hyperdrive and start the game really fast because it seemed like she was going for Surrey right off the bat,

like even going to Ozzie. And I was actually talking to Stephen. from my season last night. And I was like, yeah, I wonder why. Stephen Ram. And we were just talking about maybe why she did that. And I personally believe it's because she, she's never played a new era season. She's only played a 39 day game.

Maybe she thought that it was a faster game. She maybe had to throw out names quicker. But I was telling Stephen, I was like, I would have never thrown out someone's name the first day. And if I did throw out someone's name, I would plant seeds maybe to one person that I trusted, not like Ozzy who maybe has a really close relationship with her. But I think she also said that Christian was the first to throw out Ceri's name.

So there's a lot we don't see. She said that to me. There's a thing of now I've never spent any time in incarceration. But I've seen a lot of movies. And sometimes when you go in the movie, when you go to jail and you don't really know anybody and it looks like this is like a really tough crowd here, what you do is, you go and you take a swing and you knock out the biggest, toughest guy in the jail. Yeah.

And then even if you get your ass beat, then people really respect you after that. Do you think that there was any part of that for Jenna where, hey, you know who's the biggest threat here? Surrey. And if I take down Surrey on day one, then people are going to really start looking at me in a very positive way. For sure. And I think there was a world where that could have worked. Maybe if Ozzy wasn't on that tribe, if another winner that was more paranoid about the position in the game.

Because Savannah was just like, I'm willing to just not be the first boot. I don't want anyone to look at me. Nobody knew her game. I think she was really scared going to the game. Maybe playing with someone like Kyle or Dee, they would have been more on board. But just with the tribe dynamics that she was in,

it didn't work out for her. But yeah. So I recently went, I had another experience. So I went to Scotland. And I went to a castle and there were a bunch of famous people there. And there was one lady who she's famous, but also her kids are famous. And then also her daughter-in-law is very famous. And then people were saying like, hey, we can't vote out this person because her daughter-in-law is super famous. And every bit. And everybody will be mad at us if we vote this person out.

Do you think that there was any hesitation of, boy, the survivor fans are going to be really mad if we vote out, Surrey. That's a good question. Honestly, I would be thinking like that for sure. Even though I would want to work with her, I would be thinking like that for sure. But do I think Jenna Lewis is thinking like that?

No, no, I don't think Jenna Lewis was thinking that. But were the other people on the tribe maybe thinking that? Yeah, that's a good point that I never thought of. potentially, potentially, because I mean, if Joe was saying himself, like, he'd be down to get Surrey or Ozzy out, but then they ultimately did it. So I'm very curious as to why they did it because they don't show that otherwise, you know, and I don't think staff thinks like that because I think she was like, hey, that, that lady who had a very famous daughter-in-laws, she was like, I'll vote her out too.

I don't care. Yeah. No, and she didn't even care to say that Therri was like the worst person in the challenge ever. She said like, oh my God, I watched that with Sav and Surrey, and it was pretty awkward. But, like, yeah, I was like, Sam, why, you can be sometimes you don't have to be too that honest. Yeah. She's going to be extra.

Yeah. That's good. That's good. Yeah. So for Jenna Lewis, she comes out and she said that she felt like she had to do this. She said from the second she got on the sand, she knew this was the move she had to make. I just couldn't help but wonder that if she didn't do this, if she never even, like, was even thinking about Surrey,

who would have gone home in this tribe? I'm not going to lie. I think Sav would have gone home because we've, just from pregame interviews, I've watched a lot of them. Jenna was talking like a lot about Surrey. She came in kind of gunning for Surrey. But Sarie was saying in the friend or foe thing that you guys did, she looked at Jenna as a friend.

She wanted to work with Jenna. She, I think she said when she said, She voted her out. I wasn't even looking at you, but you threw my name out, so I have to vote you out now. And so in my opinion, just based on what I saw,

that might have saved someone like SAV who's coming in as an unknown quantity to these people. If there are preexisting relationships between Christian, Devons, maybe Emily, and then Ozzie and to read, like the only two on the outs right now

are Jenna and SAV. So I think Saab was saved tonight because of Jenna. So, I don't think she would have gone. I think if she would have kissed up to Surrey and not throwing any names out, she would have maybe been okay. Yeah. I'd love to get your opinion on as somebody who has survived a disaster tribe. Do we think that this tribe, Sela, that went to that first tribal council,

are they on their way towards being the tribe that ends up going to a bunch of tribal councils in a row? I'm not going to lie. I was getting weird flashbacks and goosebumps and weird when I was looking at that tribe. tribe. I think they might even be on this on the beach that I was on. Maybe it was that. But yeah, I could see that maybe happening. But it's weird because before the season started, they seem like such a well-rounded tribe. But once you lose and you don't have those supplies and you're not eating anything, it is hard. Like you see the other, actually no, I think Ozzy's feeding them. That's a lie. They were eating cassava. But I don't know. I think once you

lose, like the morale goes low, something happens out there where it's just like this snowball effect. But I don't know, season 50, there's going to be a lot of twists and turns, I feel like, so I don't know if they're going to want a disaster tribe. If it seems like some tribe is going down that path, I don't think that's going to, they're going to let it slide. Can you tell me about the cassava because Ozzy seems to know where this stuff is? And I'm like, are you telling me this whole time that we had a, what, a million seasons in Fiji and nobody ever knew where this stuff was? Like nobody ever. It was right. nine days ago and you could have eaten this stuff and you just didn't know where to look?

It's interesting because, well, I do remember on 48. I only saw half of it because we left for season 49, but I think, is it Kyle? No, not Kyle. The big guy. David? What's the name? David, David. He found some cassava for their tribe.

He knew where it was. Yeah, because I remember going into 49. I was like, okay, I'll look for that. But easier than done. I didn't find anything out there. How do you know what to look for? I don't. I mean, I don't.

I just was hoping it was going to be easier than it was. But maybe grew in time for them to eat it. But I think Ozzy's just gifted in that sense. He knows what's to look out for. Yeah. So David ate it all and then maybe it was growing in season 49. And then Ozzy found it. Yeah.

That's what it seems like because I didn't see anything like that out there. Yeah. I want to go back to that tribe again. And Christian talked about how it was really important to have a group vote, a consensus vote. He's Christian said something that I've never really heard before. We don't want to have a dirty vote. We don't want to have this vote be four to two to one to one.

We we know we want a nice clean vote. Now in your tribe that you I believe did all have a clean vote right when you go out in Nicole. It was five votes for Nicole. And so tell me a little bit about the importance of trying to get a consensus this first vote? I think it's because you never know how the rest of the game is going to go. And if you go on a winning streak and you stick together until the merge,

you don't want to have any lines in the sand because then that person might turn on you at the merge. Like you want those numbers to stay strong. And only if you have to get rid of people will you make those lines in the sand. So like I think he didn't want to make things kind of messy. He wanted to include as many people as possible in the vote so that if they, again, if they keep winning, they could stay good with each other. Because if it was, if it was weird, then maybe on the next vote, it would have been like

close and he would have been in trouble. So that's my take on it. That's why we did it. What's going on with the shot in the dark? Do people not like that anymore? Because I think that the idea of a seven to one vote, sure that there are some benefits to it, as Christian was pointing out, of that we just are able to move on with a clean slate. but I thought the whole idea in the new era was that you kind of don't want to necessarily put all the votes on somebody because if they play that shot in the dark, uh-oh, now what?

Yeah, I mean, on our season specifically, we would do a really good job of making the person going home feel as comfortable as possible. There was like always the target and then a decoy. And then that person would just think that it was the decoy. And in some seasons, people aren't comfortable being the decoy. I never felt too uncomfortable with it because I trusted people, but maybe that's what they did out there. Again, there's so much we don't see, but Jenna probably thought that she had the votes to get Surrey out.

And that's why props to everybody else on the island, like convincing her. But that's probably why she didn't use the shot in the dark. She didn't think she was going home. There's a lot of people who have talked about that Jenna Lewis playing too fast in the start of the game. But I would say you played the game fast in season 49. especially at the start? Yeah.

Well, I would just align, I tried to align myself with absolutely everybody. Yeah. And then what I would do is like kind of suss out who I, who actually trusted me by like just watching who they were talking to, comparing notes. And I built a really close relationship with Jeremiah who would kind of tell me, he was really much closer with Annie and Nicole.

And he would kind of tell me what they were thinking. And to me, what I was told was like Nicole didn't really trust. me and so I was like, okay, well, I mean, then I can't work with her. But even then, like, I think Nicole still, like, wanted to work with me and stuff. So I don't know. Yeah, it worked for me. That's why I'm saying, like, if Jenna was with other people, it could have maybe worked. It just, it worked with my tribe.

It probably, it just didn't work with hers. Do you think that maybe in a first time player season that you do need to come out and play very fast because that you don't know who anybody is and you need to really establish yourself, but maybe in a season of returning players, it's actually better to not come out and play super hard because people are on the lookout for who's playing hard, maybe a little bit more. So what I would say is like, and this applies for new era and season 50, like you could come out playing fast, but don't throw out names right away. Like come out fast trying to establish relationships because if I get to Surrey first and then Jenna comes after, Surrey's probably

going to prioritize my relationship with her than Jenna. And that's what I did with everybody. I made sure to like establish something with everyone on my Kelle tribe. And then like the next thing was probably not going to be as important to them. And so that's what I did. I didn't throw out any names. I actually never really did on my season. I think that's how I know nothing could ever come back to a person. Like Sophie said this about you. I let kind of people like say it and then I would run with it and be like, oh, they said this. And so I think you could play fast as long as nobody could say, oh, Sophie's throwing your name out there because then they'll never come for you. At least that's what happened with me.

Yeah, I think that that was actually something you did really well in Survivor 49, especially when it came to the merge, when you had everybody feeling like, okay, you were just a stray vote, you were somebody that everybody could just pick up, and nobody really knew exactly what you wanted to do, maybe least of all, your allies of Rizzo and Savannah, who never really got win that you were at least thinking. about potentially going against them. So yeah, that really was the way that I think you probably want to operate here. And the danger is that somebody else just ends up taking the reins and taking the game in a

completely different direction that you want to go because you haven't put your will down enough. But I do think that that's a great way to go and get as far as you did. Yeah, it's just you're getting information is ammo. And if you're giving too much to people, they're going to use whatever they can against you, especially if their back is up against the wall. So that was my strategy, not giving anyone the opportunity to be like,

Sophie said this about you. I would only say good things and like trying to get things out of people and then use that against them. And at least on my season, it worked because we play with a lot of paranoid people. And it could work on season 50 because I think everyone's kind of scared where you could just be like,

let someone else be like, let, you know, take the reins. and you could kind of stay and sit back, especially with so many players. You could sit back for a while before taking, you know, the bull by its horns, I think. That's what I would do if I was on season 50. So I'd love to get your perspective on the Kyle situation

and his removal from the game because obviously it was a super sad situation. The Kyle thing ends up being sort of like this very slow motion incident where Kyle gets hurt at the challenge. He comes back. they finished the challenge. He comes back. It's the next day. He thinks he's feeling better.

And then eventually here comes Jeff. Could you just compare that to the situation that you went through in season 49 with Jake and the secret? Well, yes. I think with Kyle, he played lawyer very well where he played off of his injury. I think it hurt him a lot more than he let, you know, he told, he told Jeff and then. He was like, I'm okay, I'm okay. And he played it off well. Whereas Jake's the snake bite, they didn't even give him a job.

chance to be like, I promise, I'm fine. And so Kyle earned himself like an extra 30 hours on the island until they realized, okay, he's actually really hurt. So they both didn't have a choice at the end of the day. But I think Kyle was trying to stay as long as possible, even though he's probably in so much pain. So that's, I think, the difference. Yeah. It ends up being, I think, a bigger blow to your tribe that you were in, especially you had already lost a couple of people. And then you went from four to three, I think, at that point. And then you get to go to tribal council and vote out Jeremiah after that. Whereas they have a tribe of eight and they end up going down to seven.

So while it sucks to lose Kyle, it doesn't end up being the death blow to the tribe that the Jake injury ended up being. Yeah. And I think that the saddest part about all of this is that Kyle was in the best position, it seemed like on his tribe. Like if there was any winner on the season to maybe go the distance and get a back-to-back win or another win, it would have been him based on like what they showed us.

And so that's the hardest part. Like maybe if he was on the outs and stuff and he was maybe going to get voted out. But from what we were shown, it's like, damn, he could have made a pretty good run here. And that's why it kind of sucked because to go out like that, nobody wants that, you know? Yeah, it was a really sad moment for Kyle to end up.

where he was set up so well, I really thought that he was going to have an issue in this season where I really didn't think people were going to want to work with him. But I think that people are more likely to not want to work with somebody who they look at as a schemer who didn't win than the person who was a pretty loyal guy who did win. Yeah. But the thing is I wouldn't necessarily look at Aubrey, because from what I've seen in the first episode, Aubrey and Rizzo are on the outs.

It's Stephanie, Genevieve, Kyle, and Colby, right? That they made this foursome or something? Yeah. Oh, and Q. And so, but I would say Q is a little bit sneaky. So I don't know what criteria they're going on for that, what is it, Kalu, no, it's a Vatu tribe. Vatu.

It looks like they're looking at who's helping around the camp as maybe who should be in the alliance because Colby's saying that Rizzo doesn't have good work ethic and stuff. Well, Q wasn't even there when they made. made that camp. That's why I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. But he sells home.

So he probably knows about how to build them also. That's true. Maybe that's what Colby was seeing. And he's so fun also, Q. You have to let him be in the Alliance. I know.

You got to see the Q skirt and all that stuff happen. Yeah. But that's why I'm confused. Like, why I feel like I would want to work with someone like Aubrey, then Q on the East.

But that's me. That's me. Yeah, but does Aubrey do sketches and do like fun things like a Q skirt. Probably not. Probably not. That's why.

That's why she's on the out. She's not in the alliance of five. You know, well, tell me about that conversation. Because it seemed like that, again, that sometimes these things get shown not exactly as they were. But it looked like that Genevieve was like, hey, I want to get something started with Aubrey. And she went to Aubrey. And I felt like that Aubrey was really putting Genevieve, like, through an interview.

And she said to. Genevieve like, well, how do I know how you're playing the game? Yeah. I would I actually told you always yes. I know. I spent like, don't they know by now? Like just, just lie. Like say what you got to say.

But that conversation, there had to have been more to it because it was so awkward on both ends. I was like, wait, why isn't Genevieve like saying more? Like, why aren't they trying to make each other feel comfortable? It just felt so weird. But I mean, I appreciate it. I appreciated both of them being like honest and real. Like, okay, I don't trust.

you, you don't trust me, we're just going to like not pretend right now. But yeah, I think that there just hasn't be more to that because I didn't understand what was going on. But I'm excited to see what comes out of that because that definitely, that was a little foreshadowing to something. It had to be. Maybe does Aubrey feel like that, hey, I've got a good alliance. You're on the bottom, Genevieve.

I'm not going to like go off with you. Did we see that? Did we see Aubrey connect with anybody yet? No, we did not. Yeah. So I'm like, I don't know. That was such a weird conversation. It kind of made me uncomfortable, but I was sad because I wanted to see them work together.

Yeah. I don't know. It's even, Aubrey was like, so what do you think of me as a player? And Jevi's like, well, I think you're a threat, but like we could work, we could work together. I'm like, hmm. And then what, wait, what did Aubrey say after that? I think it was that that made it weird. I think what she said was, well, what, what's the type of game that you're going to play?

Yeah, and it just seemed like an interrogation a little bit, but yeah. I don't think she meant it that way. I think that conversation was like a miscommunication on both sides. Yes. And Aubrey said that we have to communicate or for me, the vibe goes funny. Yeah. Like that's, but no, honestly, knowing them both in real life, I don't know how that conversation went sideways because I feel like they both are very similar in a weird way.

So maybe that's the problem. They don't want to work with someone who they can see. I had that problem with Stephen. We're not similar, but out there like I could just tell he saw the game that I was playing. and I just felt uncomfortable around him. And maybe they feel that with each other. So they're uncomfortable with each other. I see you.

And so it's an issue. So how do you know them both so well? Just from being around everybody this week and that everybody who was in New York during the Blizzard now is incredibly close. And now have even more FOMO? No, honestly, just I feel like the alumni are just so nice that during the season you talk a little bit and you meet at events. And so I've met them a couple times.

And then this week I did spend time with them. And then obviously these types of conversations come up. So talk about the game, our experience. But yeah, I don't know. You know, I was supposed to be there in New York. I had my whole trip planned. And then I got my flight canceled. How early did you get into New York?

What day did I have to get there to have been there? I got there Saturday. But I was spending time with family that I had here. And then Sunday, I was just, I came a day early to spend some time with Sab and Rizzo and then like for the events on one day, Tuesday, the Tres leches, who are actually really good friends in real life. If you couldn't tell, we're super annoying online about it. But yeah, that's why I came early. But I got lucky. I didn't realize until I got here how lucky I was. Yeah. So let me ask you about Tresleches. Am I saying it close to

correct or no? Yes. Yes. I'm getting clear. So that you are the big three in Survivor 49. and then there's this day and I've heard about it from both of them where they say, hey, Savannah, go talk to Jeff on Zoom. Hey, Rizzo, go talk to Jeff on Zoom. But for Sof, nothing. Nothing.

I know. Honestly, though, I'm not going to lie, Rob. I don't know how I would have done back to back. Like, physically, I was not well after 49. I think the producer saw that too that I wouldn't have been a good person to go back to back. but I mean I found out I think a little bit after we came back

and I was so happy for them I was excited I'm like okay I don't have to do the work but I can probably enjoy all of it just as much because I'm going to know everything when they come back so you're a good friend and you didn't hate on the two other people that went and said it should have been me no of course not I was super happy for them I mean I felt just honored to have played once like I was so grateful for my experience the first time I did not expect to go back. Like I did not have that entitlement to like be like, I deserve a spot back at all.

I don't even feel like I need, you know, I deserve that again. But I mean, if it happens, it happens. But like, I'm just so happy for them.

And I think the whole time we were there, I knew Rizzo was going to get asked back. I felt like he had that. I just felt it. Like you feel it when you're out there. The energy between Jeff and him and like, his jokes just hit more than other people. And you just,

you just have a gut feeling. Other people could probably feel the same, but about the people who went back on their season. But Sapp was a surprise, because I just didn't think winners were going to be on season 50. Yeah. So I got a little fomo when I heard both of them were going back. Right.

But obviously I was happy for them. I didn't think winners were going back either. And then all of a sudden, and here's three of the winners. And you probably thought maybe there's a... The only thing selfishly was like, I wish it didn't because people, when it came out that two winners were on one tribe or on the or on two different tribes,

they put two and two together that Saab had won. So kind of spoiled our season. So that's the only reason why I like maybe didn't like it. Yeah. But I mean, for the most part. Well, Savannah spoiled the season for everybody that was there. She said, came out and said, hey, guess what? I won season 49.

I would have been pissed. I was like, hey, well, I was going to watch it. Thanks a lot, Savannah. Well, I have a little tea about that. I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it, but I'm just going to tell you. So Sav, Rizzo and I, obviously, we knew they were going back. So we talk every day. We are coming up with a plan of what they could use to go on season 50, their placements.

And our plan was Rizzo goes out of fire. They were going to say I won. And then Sav got fifth place. And she's just there because she's a firecracker. She starts fights with people, which isn't technically a lie. And I heard her interviews. Yeah. Yeah, you know her.

She fights for keys and stuff like. Like she, she deserves a spot on. Oh, I mean, that Ozzy should have been happy that Savannah. Could you imagine? She would have taken Ozzie's key right off of the stick. Can you imagine that? That would have been hilarious. But no, so I heard through the Great Vine, literally the day they were getting on the flight to Fiji,

I found out that alumni knew that she had won. And I called her, like, literally while she was getting on her flight to Fiji, I was like, Savannah, you cannot lie that you're a winner. because, yeah, abort, abort, abort, because one person knows, everybody knows. And so, and that was the case. She, and that's why I don't think anybody looked that surprised when she said it. So I think she thought it would be better to just be upfront about it. And if she wasn't hiding anything, people might have been more to trust her.

Seems like it's working well so far. People seem like that they want to work with her. But I was reading Dalton Ross's article. And Dalton got to go to Fiji and was visiting the tribe camps. And he heard this story of Savannah explaining things from Survivor 49. And he heard this tall tale that she was telling about how her and Rizzo, it's weird between them. They were not friends that they started together and then they didn't work together after the merge. It was a little bit like you and Alex, it sounds like to me, where it's like we lost touch at the merge.

and it's maybe there could be a vendetta. And I just wonder, did you help write this fan fiction? We did talk about this. We were like, oh, mean, if you can't lie about being a winner, we have to like separate you a little bit from Rizzo. They probably asked about Rizzo and she had to say something. And that was what she thought of. I think, I mean, if she's being honest about being a winner,

I don't think it's that bad that she lied about her relationship with Rizzo being rocky because I feel. like I would be more open to trusting someone who was just upfront about that than lie about her relationship with the person on the season because they're on different tribes anyways, you know? So. Yeah. We'll see.

I don't know. From what I was reading from what Dalton Ross was saying, I was like, I don't know if I would buy this. It sounds like that there were some people that were asking some questions. I know. Of course they are. I mean, all you have is time out there. So she probably told them a lot of stuff.

Because I'll tell you what. When a survivor doesn't like somebody, you know. it. They really, like, if she's like, she would be reading this Riz God the filth. Yeah, and she was probably not descriptive enough. I doubt they, I doubt Sury Fields bought that, you know? So I wish I could have been there to see that pitch. I want to see her lie about hating Rizzo. I think that's funny. Well, maybe it'll come up later on in the season, you know, if they, we have more, more episodes to talk about it. So, all right, Savannah ends up with somebody being somebody who goes on a journey

and she jumps at the opportunity to do that. I'm trying to remember if she was a journey person in season 49. No, right? That Joanne went on the journey for her tribe. Yes, and I got confused for a second because she did get on a boat to go to tribal by herself because she had won that advantage. Yes, remember that?

But she didn't go on a journey. Yes, she loves getting advantages all by herself. And then she goes on this journey. with Colby and Mike White and then ends up beating Colby in the block stacking competition and then ends up getting the vote block. Now, she ends up not telling anybody about this, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, she didn't tell anybody about this.

She got there. And then she walks away and Rick Devons is like, she got an advantage, right? Like, there's no way she just came back and just didn't lose her vote, didn't get anything else. Honestly, if it were me, I think I would have been up front about having a block of because I don't think it's, I mean, from our season, it's just, it's not powerful enough, especially in a season of a tribe of eight. What is that going to do if you block one person's vote? There's two people on, what is it, Vatu that don't have a vote, Q and Colby now. Like, I think it's just not that big of a deal. But I don't know. We'll see, we'll see if that affects her in

anyway. I just think anything that anyone could use against you at this point in the game is so dangerous. And now she's probably going to have a target on her back just because there's, again, another unknown quantity. They now know she won, but they still haven't seen her play the game. And now she might have an advantage. I might screw them. It's season 50. It could be anything. Yeah. These journeys really do end up burning more people than they end up helping. You know, you were able to get the knowledge is power. And you just found it. And that was really the best case scenario where nobody knew that you had the thing until, we don't need to talk about that.

Then for her, though, it's like, now it's going to be a whole thing of like, okay, she definitely has something, right? Right. Yeah. And God forbid, because I'm rooting for her, they go to tribal council. Like, again, if there's no reason to get anybody out,

that's one little reason to, like, beat everybody. Okay, we don't know what she has. It's just. And then in the trailer, I think I remember Christian being, Like one of us could get sniped. So does that mean they think she has an idol and she could play it and one of them goes home? Like that's not good.

I don't like that that's in conversation now that she might have something. Yeah. Because just the block of vote doesn't really do that much. She's in a seven person tribe and she can't block six votes. Exactly. That's why I'm like, I think I would have said it to somebody or like maybe gone to Sariya and been like, hey, I have this block of vote to gain some trust or like even giving it to somebody. Like, what do they, it's really not that powerful when they're a tribe of eight. Like, I didn't think that was that great of an advantage.

But you didn't think it was like dynamic advantage that the fans voted for? No, I don't think so, honestly, in my opinion. Did you vote? But I think it was an opportunity to use it to, like, gain someone's trust. Did you vote for any of the things? I did. I voted for Rice. Yeah.

And I think I voted for no fire. No fire. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I voted for the colors that they chose. Yeah, they didn't even acknowledge that. I guess they just said, like, you see what the colors are.

Yeah, you see. You could see it. So why do we have to say it? Yeah, did you like when Jeff messed with them about that he told them that you have, the fans voted for you to get the chance to be a badass? Yeah, I did like that. I started laughing. I was also in the room with Jeff.

So maybe I just felt like I had to laugh because he was then. but yes um yeah no it was funny it was cute i thought it was that was one of his better troll moments in the history of the show yeah i like when he teases like us it's fun yeah i thought rick devins laughed a little too hard at that he was like uh he was that was that was like classic dad joke and rick devons was loving it but i think if i was out there on the island i think i would have been like uh it's not funny rick yeah we're not we don't get rice why are you laughing yeah i mean they'll be sad about it in a week's time time. They're just excited, I feel like, they don't really understand the gravity of like,

okay, they're not going to eat now. Yeah. Which I'm actually, that's one of the things I'm excited about to see, like, how these old school players, um, see the new game of like really having no food. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You think it's going to be a big deal for them? The, uh, seems like that everybody came in, like, I think prepared for what is going to be a, you know, faster pace, 26 day game with meager ration. So I don't know who's going to be like totally shocked. That's true.

And again, they played a 39-day season. It's definitely bad. It's probably just as bad or worse. So they're probably, they're probably fine. Yeah. I'd like to talk about this new advantage that we saw last night. So Billy Eilish, when she went into the lab and she came up with this idea for an idol and it's called the Billy Elish boomerang idol.

Yeah. Honestly, I'm not going to lie. I don't hate it. Yes. I just hate that Genevieve found it. I wish that somebody else found it and gave it to Genevieve because now she just, she doesn't have an idol and Ozzy just gets one for free. So Ozzy's like the most powerful player right now.

He has, he's well insulated on his tribe. Well, I don't know. He was being talked about. But he has what, an extra vote and the idol now? I mean, it didn't really have to do anything to get it. I think that's kind of crazy. Yeah. So I'd love to get your perspective on how to use the Billy Elish boomerang idol.

What's the initials on that Billy, is it Billy with an I or an E? It's Billy with an I and an E. Well, I meant it's just, what, how do you spell Ilish? Oh, oh, it's E I, L-L-I-S-H, I believe. Okay. That's a lot of ease and eyes. So what's the last name starts with an E? Who?

I like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the B.E. B.B. I like that. And they showed B.B. from Survivor Borneo getting voted out.

Yeah, they did. Yeah. This is, I guess, another tribute to B.B. Another tribute to B.B. I'm sure Billy Eilish, that she used to always talk about B.B. Anderson. She loved B.B. Anderson. So the BB is found. And so would you give it to somebody that you want to work with or do you give it to somebody who you think is going to get voted out?

I think I would give it to somebody that I would want to work with because there's so many people on each tribe. I have no idea who would actually go home. Like at least if it's so if they get voted out, it goes back to her, right? Yes. I just don't know. I don't see someone like Ozzy. getting voted out. But it's just you have to guess, you have to guess right. And so you might as well, like, it's really hard. It's really hard. It's really hard. Because I there's the temptation is,

okay, I'm going to give it to somebody who's who's like you have to say who's dumb enough to get voted out with an idol in their pocket. And so, all right. So let me give it to the dumbest person. But it's, if it's somebody you don't like, you're still giving them an idol that they're going to and they can only play it on themselves. So that sort of like cuts down the decision tree of, like all the different things that they can do with it, they can only play it for themselves. So I think that they're more likely. It's like less valuable than a real idol.

So they're probably more likely to play it in a situation. So you really have to now have like this precision blindside of this person just to get them out of the game. So there's a lot of hoops to go through. Yeah. So the way that I would see it is this is just an opportunity to gain trust with someone on another tribe and give them something so that I could, when I meet with them or I swap with them, I could be like, hey, I gave that to you. Because it's so hard to pinpoint

who the hell is going home. So that's what I would do. Yeah. I wonder if there's some sort of thing like where the boomerang idol, like if there was like some sort of like a bounty on a person where, okay, pick a person that's from another tribe. And if they get voted out,

you get an idol. Ooh. What do you think of that? is that not the same thing though? Well, let me see. Well, the other person can use the idol in the meantime.

So you're sort of like giving. So I think it really only makes sense to use it to give it to somebody you like. Right. And I think like maybe Genevue was playing with someone else on 47. It would have been more, it would have been easier. Like, oh, just give it to them so they could protect themselves.

And then maybe they'd give it to her later. But maybe she felt like, Yeah, you can only, you can't give it away and you can't use it on somebody else. Only for yourself, the BB. Okay. Oh, okay. That's interesting. I don't know.

That's a, that's a really hard one. I would not know what to do with that thing. Yeah. So, Ozzy, you mentioned, has a lot of stuff. He's got, he's got, now he thinks it's just a regular idol. If Ozzy only knew, Ozzie, you have, you have BB right now. Like, what? Yeah.

Billy Irish boomeret idol. He's like, well, why is it called that? Don't worry about it. We can't tell you. Don't worry about it. It's just, it's that you know her song, Boomerang, that she named the idol after that. So, Ozzy has that and also an extra vote. Mm-hmm.

It's pretty good bag of tricks for just day three of the game. Yes. For season 50. Yeah, that's pretty good. It's pretty good. Yeah. But can you talk a little bit about some of the maybe decision paralysis that comes along with having these advantages? Like not using them?

Yeah. Or like knowing like what the, oh, I want to you save this for the perfect moment. Yeah. That's what happened to me. I literally had I think I had a little bit of that. But I was, I thought I timed everything well and I just made the wrong decision. But I mean, I just thought I don't see how on a season like season 50 that that will happen. I think if Ozzy's back is up against the wall, idols are going to be played.

And Ozzie's back is toasted. Yeah. like I think he'll use it you know I don't think he'll go home with an idol's pocket but we'll see I we will see yeah that's a good bet to make will Ozzie get voted out with an idol in his pocket

I suspect not I suspect not too I feel like he's coming in he's ready to play and he wants to use it especially that he didn't do the work to find it yes might as well use it but I do wonder if having the extra votes makes him more likely to be voted out

with the idol in his pocket because he's like Okay, well, maybe I'll just use my extra vote tonight. And so I'll use that. I'll save the idol. Sometimes you can have too much stuff. It's true. That actually almost happened with us in the Tres Leches in season 49 when we had my knowledge is power, but they didn't know about it yet.

SAB's extra vote that she got in her, in winning the immunity challenge. And then Rizzo's idol, I kept trying to convince them not to use the idol because I wanted to take it eventually. But so we ended up using Saves' extra vote that we didn't need. Rizzo could have gone home next and I would have you know the idol would have been useless but that does happen that does happen when you have a lot of things you don't want to use the idol you'd rather use the other thing. Yeah. Let's go back to talking about Rizzo a little bit because I really thought coming in that

people were going to be very worried about him and wary because you have people who played with Russell Hans back in seasoned heroes versus villains and that they were going to say like, why is this guy here? what's he up to? And we saw a little bit in the beginning of the episode where Colby was like, man, this kid's got a bad work ethic. He doesn't ever help with the shelter. But nobody seemed to be saying, boy, this kid seems like he's sneaky. I bet he has like a lot of crazy ideas for the hidden immunity idol.

I'll tell you why they're not saying that. It's because Rizzo is a kind of guy who, when you're going to bed, they're playing Survivor, he's doing Elmo impressions and Mickey Mouse impressions and he just does these things that are just genuine and true to him that you're like, this guy is not scary at all. You don't fear him. So I still don't understand how like Russell Hans was on the villain's tribe.

See, I do impressions that I guess are scared. I do impressions of Russell Hans. So. Do you? Do one right now. Riz God. All you talk about is Elmo. But listen, I, that I should be.

on Sesame Street. I grew up on Sesame Street. My neighbor was Oscar the Grouch. Okay. I'm not going to lie. I think Rizzo has you in his impressions.

What? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't even like Elmo. No. So yeah. So when he's doing that to someone like Colby, it's probably annoying him more than it is like threatening him. So I don't think, I think, I think he probably just came around to Rizzo being like,

oh, this is just a goofy kid who's probably just here because he's a super fan. And that's going to work to Rizzo's advantage, I feel like, because I think that's what happened on season 49. People were like, this kid's, like, kind of annoying, but he doesn't scare us, so let's, like, not vote him out. Do you think Colby knows who Elmo is? Is he too old for Elmo?

I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know a lot about Elmo. I feel like he doesn't either. he's not a dad. He was older than Rizzo's dad, but he's not a, he's not,

he doesn't have children. Colby. No, he doesn't. He doesn't. And I don't know what he, how he feels about Rizzo being like his island son. I don't know. It looks like he,

he, like, warmed up to him, but he didn't warm up to him. What do you think about Colby and Rizzo for the amazing race? Oh my God. I think Colby would kill Rizzo.

I think that that wouldn't end well. Yeah. But it would be entertaining to watch, though. I would love to see that. Yeah, Rizzo, on the Amazing Race, I'm trying to think of what his skill set would be there. Because he hates puzzles. He's puzzles, he's cooked.

And he's pretty, he's pretty athletic. Like he has hand-eye coordination, I would say. So he could shoot a basketball into a hoop and do that. Okay. And we haven't seen that yet on Survivor, but it's possible. Yeah, it is possible. But luckily, that's not all you need to do well in Survivor. Do you think that Rizzo, did you tell him like, hey, why don't you do less Gen Z slang on Survivor 50?

I did tell him. I think I did tell him, don't do the Elmo impressions because I remember being there on season 49 and like MC and Sophie Sofie Socrates rolling their eyes. And I'd be like, oh my God, Rizzo, like, you're making this hard for me. But I mean, I think what's awesome about Rizzo is like, he's just himself. and people come around to him. They might judge him right off the bat, especially if they just know him as Risgaard, but he has a good social game.

MC and Sophie Sofegretti, they did not like the Elmo impressions. At least at first. I remember when we merged, they were, I saw a lot of eye rolls between Christina MC, Sophie Sofegretti against the Risgod. But again, I think they warmed up to him eventually too.

Eventually, like after the show was over. Yeah, I think so. Not during the game, but after, well after. But from my, I don't know, point of view, see that way. They're going to warm up. Okay, that you don't think that Riz God thinks Colby is washed, right? No, I think Rizzo was excited to work with someone like Colby. Like, he met every word in that conversation.

I mean, he said in his confessional, he was being honest to the camera when he said, like, I can learn from Colby. Like, I will take anything he says and I'll run with it. And so I just think that was a, it was a genuine moment, which I really like to see because it was a fan girl moment for Rizzo, but it was also an opportunity to build a really solid connection with someone that he could play with. Did you tell him not to say that anybody who hasn't been on Survivor in a long time, like don't say that, oh, this person is chopped now?

No, I didn't tell him that. I don't even think he probably was using those words out there and that Colby was probably very confused. But no, did he say that though? Did he say someone was chopped? I don't think I, not that I heard. I'm just saying.

Okay. Oh my God. I hope he didn't. But that's funny. Yeah. No, he did, I don't think he said that. But just that,

you know, I just want to make sure that he's not using any of the Gen Z slang in the wrong way. Yeah. I'm sure he did in the first few days when they weren't like down to work with him.

You think he did say somebody would look chopped since they played. No. Okay. No, I don't think he did that. But he was definitely using some words that maybe people were like,

what the hell is he saying? What is this guy saying? but yeah so you've watched this episode three different times what have you noticed in this third watching of it where okay everybody got it on the first time

but you've gone through it two times and now three times what are the little things you pick up on that's a good question honestly I don't know I don't think I picked up on anything new Maybe I was able to hear some things that I wasn't able to first two times. Because people were talking.

Yeah. But I don't know. I think that I think I just realized that some people are in way better positions than other people's moving forward based on what I saw. Like I think Rick Devons and Christian are in a great position. They seem like they're going to do really well in the game. And who did we hear a lot from too? We didn't hear a lot from like TIF or D or Chris. Can we talk about that tribe a little bit?

Because I feel we haven't talked about that one too much. Yeah, we haven't. Now, I know that you are close friends with another winner who came back in this season, Di Viadaris. And I was actually surprised where Kyle was integrated so well into his tribe. I'm hearing a lot of people say, hey, I want to get D out. And I thought that Kyle was going to have more of an uphill battle. But I really thought that D was going to come in and people were really going to gravitate.

towards her and want to work with her. So I was a little surprised to hear people saying like, hey, D is the person we should take out. I was really surprised about that, too. I don't know if maybe there are people on that tribe that are just like more scared of her. But what I did, oh, this is something I did pick up on was that in that conversation, it was like, Ceree, or not sorry, Chrissy, coach, Mike White Evans, they were all mentioning Dee's name.

and after that whole montage of people throwing out Dee's name, Tiff comes in and she's like, I actually really like D. And it seems like that was the rich that was going to be in the plan, like in the future if something happens and someone's trying to target D. It's just these little things that I pick up on now watching it back, like where I'm like, oh, maybe D's going to be targeted,

but Tiff is going to be her saving grace or because she's not like the only odd one out. Like she, there's someone who wants to work with her. Yeah. So we'll see. I don't think they have the vote. to get rid of D. I'll be honest. I think that there's D and Tiffany and Camilla,

and that's three. And I don't think that Charlie will vote for D. Yeah, I don't think that Charlie will vote for D either. And I'm thinking of like- It's a tribe of eight. So you need probably five, at least four. Yeah.

Yeah, I think in this situation, the old school players, in my opinion, might be in trouble. Maybe someone like Chrissy, because, yeah, you see someone like D. I'm pretty sure D and Charlie have definitely crossed past before 50. I know D is good friends with Ben Katzman, who's also really good friends with Charlie. Yes.

Okay. So now this is an interesting now Uno Reverse card. Okay. So if you have Chrissy who wants to go after D along with Jonathan, now D and Tiffany and Camilla say, oh, no, actually call an ambulance, but not for me, but for you, Chrissy. And so is there enough votes to get Chrissy out? I think it really comes down to that we know that D and Charlie are friends, at least that was my perception from the preseason as the they were the consecutive hosts of

the on fire podcast. Who's the new host of the O'Fire podcast? Nobody knows. But as far as D and Charlie goes, that there's a friendship there. And so. And we saw that Charlie and Mike had a moment where Mike's like, I want you to be the strategy guy for me. So it looks like Mike didn't mean that, right?

Yeah, probably not. Yeah. But, I mean, I feel like they showed us that to show that they are probably going to be in cahoots with each other. And so I would think that maybe they're going to, if Charlie's not going to vote for D, maybe Mike White's not either. So it does seem like maybe they're just throwing D's name out there to throw us off. But I, she could either be in trouble or. Who's throwing their name out to throw us off?

The editors? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I don't know. Just based on what I think. And they're saying it. They are saying it. They were saying it.

But do they have the votes to do it? I don't know. Hmm. So I'm thinking about it. And I don't know if they have the votes. I'm just trying to think if they have the votes to get out Chrissy, where, okay, if you have the three of them and then also would Charlie vote for Chrissy? I kind of thought that they would work together.

But I wonder, does Charlie look at Chrissy as like, that's like a Maria? Oh, maybe. That's a payback for me. But why did you think that Chrissy and Charlie would work together? What connection do they have? Well, I know that Charlie likes to work with the mom. Well, I think he's triggered now. Yeah, he's triggered.

He probably was like, no, I'm not working with Chrissy. Yeah, but I just feel like that they seem like that they have a similar sensibility, Charlie and Chrissy. Like, I really could see them getting along. I bet Chrissy, one of her daughters is a Taylor Swift fan. Like, I think I don't remember what Chrissy said about Charlie specifically, but I totally could see them having a lot. in common, Chrissy and Charlie. So then you kind of just made me realize that Charlie seems to be the person in the best position on that tribe because he's like he's a swing boat.

So that's interesting. And I think that Mike White, I feel like we saw him with Chrissy, although Christy said she didn't watch season three of the White Lotus. Do you think that Mike White gets upset if you say that, hey, I didn't watch it? I don't know. I feel like he's- Because I watched them all and I love them. Yeah, they are good.

They're really good. I love the White Lotus. I just thought I was, it was, I was surprised to hear HBO Max on CBS. Yeah. But it was kind of like a dig at HBO Max. Like, I don't have HBO Max. I don't have it because why. It's too expensive.

Yeah. So you should subscribe to Paramount Plus. Mm-hmm. Yes. That's what I got from that. That's very reasonably priced Paramount Plus. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

And they have shows, right? Besides Survivor, they have the stuff that's on CBS. And they must have like some of, they have like a yellow stone. right, that you like. Yellowstone. Yeah. What was it? The, um,

they have like a bunch of like spy stuff that like lioness something. I don't even know. I just remember they had McGiver and. McGiver. The guy from, oh God, uh, Big Bang Theory,

but the little, young Sheldon. Young Sheldon. Young Sheldon. That was a good one. I think that's actually over now, but, you know,

they still have, you could still watch it on Paramount Plus. Yeah. You can. Maybe we'll find out. Brandon, can we find out what streaming platforms Chrissy does have?

Find out what shows she's watching. Maybe she could do a recap with us. Yeah. Would could they get Chrissy out? The thing that I had said with Stephen was I feel like this tribe's not going to tribal council. I feel like we're never going to get

the answer to this question. I agree. I feel like we also didn't see too much about them. We just saw them talking a lot about Mike Wipes' abs, which were incredible, by the way. Such good abs. I mean, again, I don't, I don't want to just be on here constantly objectifying Mike White when we should love him for his mind more than his body.

But I think that it's okay. We could say, you could say it. I think he did. He worked out so that he could talk about it. Yeah. I would want to, I would want to be. Mike White, will you post your workout routine? I know, but I think I think the White Lotus has a really good gym, though.

I don't think we can follow that. Well, he stays at some very nice. resorts. Exactly. It's not relatable. We can't really follow that. No. But it was impressive to see that.

Like, I was shocked to see that. It was interesting. Yes. And we learned that, sorry, that D had fake teeth too. I didn't know that. Yeah, we didn't know that. We found that out on the show. But I guess that's, you know, when you win a million dollars, you could get a lot of

things. I know. Well, I don't know if she got it before or after. Her teeth looked the same. Oh, interesting. I've got to ask her that. And find out from her. her if she got, if she got, what did she get?

Did she get veneers? Is that what that is? I'm guessing from what I picked up on like that conversation. It seemed like she has veneers, but I didn't know that. Yeah. Colby used to have really white teeth in Survivor of the Australian Outback, but now I don't know if the teeth are super white. I don't know.

I didn't look at his teeth when I saw him this week. Yeah. How did you know that? Do you just remember that? You used to have really white teeth. I think the people were like, what, do they have a toothbrush? Because Colby has such white teeth.

And then when I went on Survivor, I was like, I should get my teeth whitened because people are really going to pay attention to this. Yeah. But I didn't do any work before I went on the traders. Is that a mistake? What do you mean? Like physically?

No, I mean like cosmetic work. Oh, no, I think you looked good, Rob. And your style was amazing. And we were, again, I said this hashtag Robb. And I wanted to see that banquet outfit I think you look great. You think I was okay to not like get veneers or Botox or anything? Yeah, you're fine.

You're okay. Okay. All right. Well, you know, if I have what if I did Survivor again? Maybe do like a lash list. What if I did Survivor, but it was just Australian Survivor? So like the 16 day one? Yeah, I guess so.

I don't know. I think you're good about it. Because you're saying it's only half a season and half. a win if you win the 16 days Australian Survivor? No, I don't think that at all. I think you win. I don't think that at all. Okay.

Tell me about this week, you participated in this big event that they did in New York City, where you participated in Hand on a Hard Island. Now, listen, first off, I love that we're talking about this. Would have been probably better if they found the way to do this in Survivor? 50 and not in a subway somewhere before Survivor 50, but nevertheless, it was cool that it happened. Yeah, it was cool that it happened. And I think they could have, they should have, we don't know.

Maybe they will do that. Maybe this is like a little teaser. They voted on what the final four challenge was going to be. So I suspect not. You're right. I forgot about that. I think it's going to be some motion based off of, you know, but it hard to, it could have been any of the things that the fans voted for,

but I suspect we'll be talking about like what we asked the fans what challenge yeah but tell me about what you did yeah so I competed in the hand on the heart idol challenge which is basically it's like what they did in all stars I think Jenna Lewis competed in it well they did do it in all stars but they did it in many of the early seasons of Survivor I'm trying to see if I have an illustration in my book the tribe and I have spoken I have a recollection of like obviously in season one, but then also Jenna Lewis competing in it. But I don't know what other seasons. Jenna Lewis did compete in it back in Survivor All-Stars.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay. And basically you just have to hold your hand on an idol for as long as possible while having your feet on these pegs, which can be comfortable for the first 20 minutes, but then after a while it hurts a lot. Less uncomfortable. Yes. Yeah.

So can I tell you a little bit about this? challenge because it's it you know it was the final challenge in Survivor um Survivor Borneo I'm trying to remember if they ended up doing it in the Australian Outback

they had a quiz I think ultimately which was the final three challenge but it was in Survivor Africa it was in Survivor Marquesis and in Survivor Marquesis it ended on a wardrobe malfunction or it didn't end on a wardrobe malfunction but that one of the people, Kathy Vabrick O'Brien, that she was having a wardrobe malfunction.

And somebody said, like, hey, Kathy, fix your shirt. And then she went to fix her shirt. And then she fell off. Really? Yeah. I don't remember that. And was it a contestant that said that? Yes.

Yes. Oh, wow. Well, they were trying to do that, like play mind games with me. Well, at least Jesse was. Yeah. So tell me who is. So it was you. It was.

Anna Koch. Yes. Oh, what were you going to say? I was going to say that my great friend, Jesse Lopez, he managed to make it up. And then Tommy smokes. Tommy smokes. And those two, the influencers were two of the influencers that competed in the Survivor Influencer thing that they did last year, or that right before 49, right, that they aired it. Yep.

And so they both competed. And we had to do that. It was going to be from noon to 4.4. 4 p.m. So it was going to go on for four hours regardless. I was ready to be there for as long as possible. I wore an adult diaper like the case I had to pee myself. Oh really? Did you talk to Andy from Survivor 47 about this? No. Why? Oh, he's a big proponent of adult diapers for he wants to normalize them. Oh really? Yes. I never heard him talk about that. Yeah. Does he wear them? I didn't ask him ever if he did, but I think he would. Okay. Well,

I mean, I'll let him know that I did that. I don't think I've talked to him about it, but I'll let him know. But I thought it would be helpful if it was going to be like a day-long event. Then I realized it was going to end it after four hours. Did anybody else also wear an adult diaper? No. You didn't ask them or they didn't. They didn't want it as bad, I don't think.

They didn't want it as bad because I think that probably was it frowned upon from the powers that be that put this together. Like, hey, we know it's the subway, but please don't urinate down here. Well, they told us we couldn't urinate. That's why I wore the dirt the old diaper because then if they had to pee they would have to get off the That was against the rules. Yeah, I was against the rules.

Like we could not. Right. So if Jesse just like wet his pants and everybody could tell he would have been disqualified? Yes. Wow. Yeah. So I, so what they came out with some bribes

to bribe us to get off of the what they try to bribe you with? The first thing was a signed game, Survivor Game by Jeff. Wow. And that didn't bribe anybody. It's literally priceless. Yeah. And then the second one was a year supply of feastables from Mr. Beast. Now, how many is that?

I don't know. Hmm. I think the plate seemed like it had like a hundred of them. A hundred? I don't know. I would want a feastable a day if it was a year's supply. Yeah, exactly. And I, but I, and it was also all caramel.

and I'm not the big caramel fan. So I was like, okay, I don't want that. Yeah. But I do like Mr. Feastables. They're actually pretty good. The cookies and cream one is really good. So maybe if they had that, they would have gotten me to come off. So we were on hour two and they came out with Survivor finale tickets.

And when I heard that it was going to be a rock draw and these guys weren't going to come down, I'm like, I'm not going to go four hours doing this. Yeah. And then potentially leave empty handed. So when they offered one ticket to the finale, I was like, okay, I don't want to, I don't think I want to go by myself. But then when they offered two, I was like, okay, I'm in pain. I don't want to leave empty-handed. So I jumped off for that.

But weren't Savannah or Rizzo going to bring you as a guest to the finale? Honestly, probably. But you could scalp them and make a lot of money. It's true. If anything, I could still get one of their tickets and make a lot of money. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, you cash in. Yeah, so either way, it's a win. I could buy myself a trip to Fiji if I sell one of these tickets.

Did they tell you there's no resale value? You could resell those tickets. They didn't say anything. Mm-hmm. It just gave me the tickets, so we'll see. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Do you probably have to split it with Savannah or Rizzo? Because then they'll be like, well, hold on, don't you already have tickets to the finale? And then you'll be like, well, yeah, but I want to sell those. And then I want you to give me one of your tickets. That is true. And even though Sav has won the million, she's still pretty cheap. So I think she would want to cut it. I didn't know this.

Savannah is cheap. She's not cheap, but she's a little cheap. She takes care of her money, which is good. That means she'll probably not blow it. Exactly. But she's definitely one to be like, like, oh, 30 bucks. Like that's still a lot of money, which I'm like, oh, wow. Like you have a million dollars and like, so I think she would still want to cut of it.

She's, she's a shark in that way. Yeah, she is. She's cut through. And that's why she's probably always going to be, stay winning. So how long did you last on Hands on a Hard Idol? About two hours. Yeah. And I genuinely think I could have gone way longer. But I was like, if I end up at the four hour period at a rock draw with two other guys and then I leave with nothing, I'm going to be so upset, which is what happened to our friend Jesse Lopez.

He, well, he actually ended up slipping. He broke the rules when they made the rules that you can't touch your knee. He touched his knee. And he cheated. Yeah. And then he got out and then he ended up with your supply of feastable. Okay. So he didn't come all the way to New York in the Blizzard for nothing.

That he got 100 candy bars. His kids will be happy. His kids will be happy. He said his wife won't be. But, you know, again, he can always have chocolate this year. So that's good. Because Beckett doesn't want all those candy bars in the house. Is that what's going on?

I guess not. But I think Jesse has something called like the, Mr. B's curse because like he can't escape it. He was played the games. His son won't a lot of money. And now he got he has a year long supply. Well, I don't think that's much of a curse. His son is a winner. Yeah. Yeah.

Like maybe it's true. Maybe the curse is just that he can't win. Yeah. I know. That's what he said. He's like, so close yet again. Yeah. Yet again. Yeah. But then congratulations to Tommy smokes who was the winner. And it's funny because their motivations

were different. Like Jesse really wanted the trip for him and his wife because I don't think they had been on an official honeymoon before and Tommy smokes just wants to be on Survivor like he was like this is what I'm going to talk to to Jeff later at the premiere I'm going to just tell him I won this and maybe I'll get on the show so it was funny like he he already went to Fiji he went on yeah it seems like he has the connections yeah he did the influencer thing he stayed at the resort that they're probably going to send him to so he just did it to be able to like maybe say in his next audition video like I did this against Survivor players.

I didn't even want this trip. I just wanted to make a new audition video. Yeah, I'm genuinely. That's why I think he did it. So let me bring in, you don't mind if I call yourself, right? No. I never cared either, even on the show. Like, I actually, like, people call me that, so.

Yes, okay. I have some questions for you from the listeners. Jesse Lopez wanted to know, how's your left foot feeling today? it's feeling better today, but yesterday I could barely walk. It was bad. My whole right side of my body was very sore. We were texting about it that going up the stairs was just not doable. And yeah, it was hard challenge.

I can't believe that on like a real season of Survivor, people went like longer than two hours or four hours like as long as we did. So yeah, I'm in pain, Jesse. Yes. I don't know where I heard you say this recently, what you said. that when Savannah and Rizzo were gone, that you had to text Savannah's boyfriend and Rizzo's girlfriend to Liz God every day while they were away. So it started off first as like this therapy for them.

Like I wanted to be there for them in place of their significant others because we had come really close. I felt like I knew them based on like all the things they told me about them on the island. So I suggested a group chat start for us three. a new, Des Leches 2.0. And we ended up talking every single day after that. Like, we were just, we became even closer, like, because we were able to talk, like, just about life.

Because out there, we're also playing Survivor, but we would face time all the time. I knew what was going on with them. And so I think that also helped, like, how close all of us are now. Like, our significant others are just as close as we are, which is cool. Wow. But, yeah, we created almost like this weird, like, therapy. Like, I was there for them, but they were also there for me.

Like, they filled in for them. while they were gone. Wow. So that was cool. It's like the TV show friends. You'll be there for them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

And now the six of you. That was what happened. Yeah, now it's a six of us. And now Savannah and Liz God are coming on my bachelorette party. Oh. And Rizzo and Brandon's Savannah's boyfriend are going on my fiancée's bachelor party, which is the weekend of the finale. So we really are like good friends.

In real life, I know. What are you going to do for your Bachelorette party? We're going to Nashville. Yes, okay. And Jake, the snake, he's not bringing any of his friends, and he's not doing his whole act or anything like that. Oh, no, no, no. I don't want to see Jake in my Bachelorette party.

I forgot that. I wanted to ask you, who would win in a fight, Jake or Jonathan? Because were you there when Q fought Jonathan? Yeah, yeah. Is that scary? It was a little bit scary. But honestly, Q did a lot better than I thought because she's a big guy.

Yeah. But Jonathan is huge. And Jonathan is way bigger than Jake. Like physically, he's much bigger than Jake. I think he's way taller than Jake. So in that, and then he also is a wrestling background.

So I would say Jonathan. Yeah, yeah. Apparently he's trying to be in the AEW. He told me on Tuesday night that his name is like, the total package. That's his station. package? It's okay. Yeah. It is okay. I think Jonathan Young sounds better. So I think Jonathan would take Jake. Yes. Okay. Do you think that if the secret bit Jonathan, it would even bother him?

No, I don't even think he would have seen it. I don't think Jonathan could see his feet. You know, he was doing feet by both of them. I think he would have killed the snake. Yeah. The snake wouldn't have even tried to mess with Jonathan. Exactly. So yeah. Yeah. I think Jonathan is way bigger. Yes, and I meant to say that that's actually a great name for a wrestler. What? The total package. You do? Yes.

I don't know anything about wrestling, so maybe it is. In case Jonathan's listening. Okay. All right. So then let's see. How about a question from? Okay. Naxan wants to know.

Who do you want to see Savannah and Rizzo align with? Oh, that's a good question. Well, let's start with each other. Do you think that there's a scenario where they could ultimately meet up after the merge and then have the let's do it for self alliance? In a perfect world, yes. I just don't see that happening. I feel like the other players won't allow that. They just won't.

They won't even try to take the risk of assuming like if what they said about the relationship is true. I don't see it happening. But I mean, I hope that it does. And to answer your question, I would love to see, I think Rizzo is doing what I would have loved for him to do, like align with someone like Genevieve or Colby, the old school players, but also like the new era ones that I love. I want to see one of them with Sari, because I would have done that. So, and then Ozzy. Like imagine a Rizzo and Ozzy alliance.

I just think that that would be kind of iconic. Rizzo and Ozzy? Yeah. I could see it. Imagine then I'm on exile or. something. That's crazy. Yeah. Okay. All right. Nicole,

I don't know if this is Nicole from your season, but probably not, right? No, probably not. Okay. Based on what we've seen so far, of the players from the pre-40s, who do you think has adjusted their gameplay best to the new era? Oh. I think, I mean, it's from what it seems like,

Rick Devons and Christian. Yeah. They, like, Rick Devin's, I don't know if he said it's in an interview or on the show, but he was like, I think I played a little crazy the first time. I didn't give myself the chance to, like, not have my guard up. Like, he was always the target. And kind of Christian was too. So maybe they want to, like, lay lower this time and just establish those relationships early on and just have the numbers to run their tribe. So I think they're doing a pretty good job already in the new era.

You know what Rick Devin does that I think is actually pretty good? like he's off with Christian and in the middle of their conversation, he just looks for idols. And I think that that is, I don't know if it's intentional on Rick Devin's part, but it's very disarming where the fact that he's just like if you're at your friend's house and they're just like doing like the things that they would do like in a normal day and they're not trying to act like a normal person. They're just like showing you what a crazy person there are like right in front of you. Like I think it's like, okay, oh wow. He's actually. like he's, I'm getting the real guy right now.

He's not like trying to be fake with me. No, and I think it shows that he has, you're talking about Rick, right? Rick Devin's, yes. Yeah, so Rick is, it's showing that Rick really trust Christian. And I mean, Christian is probably in turn going to trust Rick because he's just looking for the idols

right in front of him. And I think wasn't Genevue doing that in front of Stephanie as well? I think they were looking for the idol together more so than. they were like when Genevieve found it she didn't even try to hide it from Stephanie so that told me a lot too about how like you yeah not like me I didn't tell anybody

not like you and then when your friends aren't looking you go and then try to take steal the idol yeah I know I tried I was a lot closer than I looked too I wish it would have happened but what was it was the idol was attached to the big chain and then there was no way you could have gotten that away right no so I did

they didn't show it but I did bring the chain right next to the box. Yes. I just, like, I couldn't open it in time in front of, like, by myself. I was trying to get Jeremiah to, like, stall them. But then Alex came around and did it. And I made it easier for him because all he had to do was unlock the key. But I was close.

Okay. So annoying. Dylan wants to know. Do you think that Jenna's boot will spook the old school players into exterminating the new era? Do you think that there's going to be like a counter strike where that, okay, hey, you hit Jenna Lewis, that's it. Now we got to take out a new era person.

That's a good point. I didn't think about that. But are there more new era players on the Cilah tribe than old? In this group, I think we said, I think we said it was five and three, right? Well, it's Ozzie, Surrey, Rick, and Christian four. And then it's Emily, Joe, and Savannah. So no, there were more old school players. And they got rid of Jenna.

So I don't think so. What about all the other tribes? Do you think that the other tribes say, like, hey, we got to strike back? I feel like, I don't know what it's going to tell the other tribes, the fact that Jenna went. It could be, it could spook some people, but then at the same time, I don't know, it could have just been like people understand, oh, she just didn't insulate herself well enough on that tribe. They had to get rid of somebody. Maybe they'll be surprised that, like, Savannah didn't go.

Because for me, it would be so obvious. Like you get the unknown quantity out, the person that people don't know. And like the person that everyone kind of knows one, that's what I would think would have happened. Like would have been the obvious thing. So maybe they'll be surprised, but I don't know if they'll speak that. Yeah. Do you care about keeping the tribe strong in the challenge? No.

I did not want that to be the case, especially when I was playing because I was not, I was not strong. So I was not for that at all. But I think it is important, though, if you want to win to keep it strong. Ben Gregory wants to know who is the biggest pleasant surprise in this episode and who do you need to see more of in the next episode? Oh, that's a good question.

I loved how much we saw Genevieve. I love that. Surprise, though. I want to say Christian. Because, I mean, there's so much time that's happened between his first season and now, but he still has the same charm that he had the first time around.

And now he has a kid. He's playing for so much more. It was fun to watch him. Yeah. You talked a lot about your grandmother and you told us the story about how much she loved Survivor and how that got you into it. What would your grandmother think about Survivor 50

and what they did this season? She would be so excited. I think she would also just be extra excited that like she caught, because by now she would have met Sav and Rizzo, so she would have been really excited to know people. on the season. And now in her mind, she would think,

oh, Jeff Probst knows who I am just because she was like mentioned on the season. So she would be, I mean, ecstatic. Like,

she would probably not believe that it was still on because she was one of those people that watched from the very beginning. Were any of her faves on this season? She loved Colby.

She thought he was the hottest thing in the world. She loved those like studs, those Hollywood-looking studs. So I think she would, love to watch Colby. That's why I got my teeth white. Yeah, exactly. Did you get your teeth white in? I did. You did? When I went on Survivor the Amazon, I did, but nobody was like, oh my God,

that Rob Sesterdino has such white teeth. In fact, I don't think that I, anybody said anything positive about my physical appearance. Well, that's unfortunate. I don't think so. I don't think that there was one compliment that I even remember receiving. Did they say yes? People said things bad, yes, for sure. Yeah. People are mean online, you know that. Yeah, what are you going to do?

It's fine. I don't know. I think that sucks, but like, don't listen to them. That's where they wrote it. Yeah. It worked itself out because over the course of time, I think that people probably ultimately said more nice things about me.

You've aged, I fine wine. I told this to Colby, too. I think you look great. And the traders, you'd look great there. What did Colby say when you told them that? Well, he came up to me. I had him met until the red carpet, and he goes, dang, you look good.

Who are you? And I was like, yeah, that's what he said. And they cut it out of the thing. I was so sad. I wanted to clip that and, like, keep it. Because I also grew up loving him. Okay, so what did you do for it? You went for the CBS,

and you did red carpet interviews with people? Yeah, so they told me, they called me like two weeks ago, and they're like, do you want to host a premiere in the red carpet? I'm like, yeah, I do. Like, if I'm not going to be on the season, let me, like, be a part of it somehow. Yeah, so I will, of course I said yes, and it was a really fun week. I was just like with the cast. I kind of felt out of place sometimes because, like, there were a lot of moments where it was just the cast.

And then, like, me and Sandra, I'm like, what am I doing here? But it was really fun. And Sandra is easy to talk to. She's the easiest. She's like, she's so funny. She can literally, I now spending time with her this week know why she won twice. She can literally talk to anybody. Yeah.

She just chops from group to group. Doesn't matter. She doesn't know them. I saw her yesterday interacting with random fans and she's like, are you going to Penn Station? Can I go with you? And she just went with them. I'm like, okay. She doesn't care.

She doesn't care. Yeah. I love that about her. Yeah. And did it seem like everybody was having fun from all the cast back together? Yeah. definitely. I think it was interesting. Like there are definitely little clicks for sure, but that happens with every season. You make friends and some people know each other longer than

others. So it was really cool. Everyone's in good spirits. Like I think everybody is excited. Even Jenna and Kyle, who I didn't know, were going home this episode, we're super excited to be there. So the energy is good for season 50. Sure. Sure. If you get kicked off first, you're excited to be there. You're excited like that you get invited anywhere, I think. When I went to the Traders finale. I was like, I'm just excited to be here. You didn't get out first, though. It was the first night, but it felt, it felt really long.

It was, it was the third. Okay. Yeah. So it didn't feel like that. I watched them like days apart. So for me, it didn't feel like you went home later. Are you going to watch the Traders finale tonight? Yeah, I'm so excited. And there's a reunion show. Yeah, and I didn't know they were going to release it the same day of the finale. Normally, they make us way a week.

So I'm super excited about it. Have you seen it? Have I seen it? I lived it. Oh, that's true. That's true. I forgot about that. How was that for you?

What, to go to the finale? Yeah, like, was it cool? Well, it was, I wouldn't say that everybody was getting along. Okay, well, that's good to hear. That's good enough teaser for me to tune in. I wouldn't say that everybody was in a good mood. Oh, God. I'm excited.

Was Lisa Rinnah housewife or traitor vibes this time around? She'd bring the housewife out? I think she's going to bring the housewife. Okay, cool. That's all I need to know. Yep. So be on the lookout for that. That's going to be coverage live on RHAP at like, what, 1130?

What, I mean, do I ever get to go to bed tonight? No. I know. I feel like you're working all day, every day. Listen, it's, I mean, I'm not, I'm not welding. Yeah, that's true. You're not. You're sitting.

What would Colby say about my work ethic? Do you think he would be okay with it? I think he would be okay with it. I think, do you have like a history with, with Colby? Like, you've obviously known him forever. Yeah, so he was on Survivor All Stars with me. And while we did not get to play together, ultimately, certainly met him a bunch of times going through all of the Survivor stuff.

Yeah, so I saw him actually like reading your book with Sam and he was really interested. You know, I can't wait to read your book. Yeah. And he was very nice. He was just on the podcast to promote some of the throwback episodes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I saw that.

You had him. Stephanie and Coach. We're talking about the Heroes versus Villains premiere. Yeah. That's a lineup right there. Was it good? I didn't see that episode, but it was very fun.

All those episodes, those classic episodes. Should they have put us a classic episode of Survivor 49 on in the run up? No, I think we're very fresh in people's minds. I think they didn't see it. Yeah, they did do that, which I think I thought like,

they probably should have done like, was there an episode that they left out that you would have wanted them to show or like a season that they should have? I mean, I think that there were probably some head scratchers in terms of the episodes that they picked. I think there's probably even with this group of people,

I think that there were some questions of why not other episodes that they could have picked. Yeah. Like I think maybe 47 through 49 we could have done without. Did they show any for 47? They didn't. Okay, okay. So. I think that was one

the ones that people say, oh, they're really, they're not going to do Operation Italy? Yeah, that's the one, maybe that one over 48, but they do have three people from 48. So I feel like they maybe felt like they had to put, they had to show that one. Yeah, maybe. Okay. Do you agree with my thesis that Kyle going out, Camilla is going to be in a much better position? I do think that because I think people group them together. Though I do in a weird way, the reason why I feel like Kyle is doing so well is because maybe people see Camilla as like the brains behind the operation. So they might still just look at her as a threat in her own right, which is is not good. But we'll see because, I mean, it is helpful that now she doesn't have

that, like that reason for people to come after her. Like, oh, Kyle's in the game. Let's get rid of Camilla. They might just, if they do come after her, do it just because she's a threat herself. Yeah. It's just the idea of the duo is so scary and we know it from how Joe was looking at Surrey and Ozzy. And so any of these known duos, I think that people are going to be very scared about. Yeah, I agree. And they should be scared. I feel like those relationships, I mean, I tell Rizzo and Sav all the time, I'm like, if I play with you guys again ever, I don't know how I would come for you this time, like, or if I would have the heart to like come after you. And I imagine some of these players feel the same way. Yeah, but you have to tell them that. Yeah, I know.

You do. Because we do find ourselves out there again. They got to think that. They got to think that. Okay. Is there anything else on your mind for this big premiere? Honestly, I don't think so. I just think it was really good.

Like, it was a solid premiere. I don't know how much better or worse. Maybe like that ending could have been like wrapped up in a bow. little bit better. Yeah, it was kind of a, you know, a down note to end on where the, I think if they just stopped it after the Jenna Lewis vote, I think it would have been just like 10 out of 10. And then it was sort of, but they got a lot of stuff to get to. So that's, yeah, or even after the journey of Sab and Colby, something like that.

But whatever, it is what it is. I thought it was good. Overall, it was good. We're happy. Okay. We're happy. So, so if this was so nice to get the chance to talk to you, uh, finally. and it's been such a busy week for you.

What's next for you now? Honestly, I don't know. I'm going to the Survivor 50 finale. So maybe I'll do that red carpet because I won it in the hand on the hard idol challenge. So maybe that. But yeah, just supporting Savon Rizzo. I'm going.

Yes. Yeah, I'm going to be doing trips. I'm going to Rhab in Toronto, Toronto. In Atlanta. Yes. Maybe New York. York. You're doing one in L.A. too, or no. Yes. Mo. That's in two weeks. Oh, okay. No, I can't make that one. But I will see you in Atlanta for the next one. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, with Ron Clark coming up in Atlanta.

All right. So that's all very exciting. And of course, so where could people follow your stuff? You could see me on Instagram at Sophie, S-O-P-H-I-B-A-L-R-D-I and same on TikTok. And if you want on Twitter, too, I'm not active on there. But will you make any TikToks during this season? I did. I made some. I actually made one with Sandra where I was like asking her for money because she's won two seasons of Survivor. And I did some stupid ones.

And what did she say? She would not give you money, right? No. She said no. She was like, what do you mean? But that one was funny. If you want to go watch that one, I did one with Savin Rizzo too. And I've been posting stuff from the red carpet.

So if you want to see stuff like that, you could go to my TikTok, Instagram, all that stuff. And yeah. Okay. I'm so happy I got to do this. Well, I'm so happy that you got to do this. We love to hear from you. You have spicy takes and we love to see them everywhere. So thank you so much.

And then for everybody else, we've got so much coming your way. Of course, that we mentioned it a couple of times. But the book, The Tribe and I have spoken, is available for pre-order at rob hasa-book.com. Plenty of stories about classic survivor, including have I talked about my strategy guide for I mean maybe if Sof had this maybe she'd be on Survivor 50 with the Risgod

because it's all about how to play the game too at Rob has a book.com. No, you would have done worse if you read the book. Really? You did great. Yeah. I think if I was more entertaining, I maybe could have You could have been on Survivor 50? Maybe if I like fought

for some keys or dangled an idol. Yeah. Stolen and idle. Yeah. All right. For next time. For next time. Then also we are going to be doing our patron Q&A, our live call-in show where I'll be talking

with the patrons on Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern. So go to Rob has website.com slash patron for that. And then also over the weekend, we will be doing our all Survivor 50 mailbag. We'll do an all mailbag edition. I'll get on here with Brandon Donnellin. Answer all listener questions. That's going to be very, very fun. On Monday, I'll talk to Chappelle over on Club Condo,

where we'll talk about all the things behind the scenes that are going on for Survivor 50s. So be on the lookout for that. Thank you so much for joining us. We'd love to read your comments as well here on the YouTube channel. Take care of good one. Bye.