RHAP: We Know Survivor - Summer of Survivor | Casting Survivor: Battle of the Eras

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

This week, Shannon Guss, Rob Cesternino, and Mike Bloom are joined by The Challenge experts, Brian Cohen (@CohenBrian_) and Ali Lasher (@LashTweets) to cast a Survivor: Battle of the Eras season in anticipation of The Challenge 40: Battle of the Eras.

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we've got a jam-packed show for you here as the Summer of Survivor rolls on. First, let's bring in the Survivor panel duo. Of course, the man who's been taking you through all of the Survivor seasons day by day. Give it up for Mike Bloom. Yes, I've been doing my own daily challenges, and they're in the form of the Survivor 50 wish list. So my body is ready. Okay, all right and of course back with us our chief international survivor correspondent shannon gus shannon how are you i'm great i um i'm i'm already crying of laughter it could not be more

summer of survivor coded to have as a chaotic start but we are here we are live they would not keep us from our chat not keep us from this live date big brother wants to go earlier we'll still be at a time big brother uh that my prayers were answered as big brother moves from making big moves um and moving from 9 p.m eastern to 8 p.m eastern and just trying to get us used to that wednesday at eight slot for when survivor occupies it in less than two months really meant the world to me i felt like i won the lotto earlier this week so happy to hear that but that's not what we are here to talk about tonight uh the challenge which we've seen a few survivor players play on the challenge usa and

the challenge proper but the Challenge has a big anniversary season of their own to commemorate season number 40. It's not Winners at War, it's Battle of the Eras. And of course, to talk about it here with us, the co-hosts of the now decade-old Challenge Rehap-Up, it's Brian Cohen and and ali lasher welcome to the summer of survivor here we are excited yes okay big night big night talking about survivor talking about the challenge here together and ali we are very excited to cast the fictitious Battle of the Eras survivor cast. Well, I don't know how any of you can be trusted to do that when you have deeply miscast me on this podcast. I couldn't have more anxiety about this solely because, you know, the challenge listeners are experiencing this in the previews.

Brian knows this. You guys probably know this. I get so much anxiety before I do something like this, that I have to do a ton of research because it's not in my bones. Like it is your guys's. And do you know what exposure therapy it is to give me an assignment? That's like, we may talk about up to 700 people. Maybe.

It's like, just get off the list of all survivor plans. We've done that a lot this summer oh i've got materials but i am scared to be here and we almost had to do this without the chat we were having problems getting our live stream started but we are back here and of course uh the chat is the unofficial uh you know i'll say sixth co-host tonight. Look how excited the chat is. This is what the summer is actually for, says Nolan. Lucas says this is

such a fun concept. Love the challenge and Survivor so much. And Melissa is excited. OMG, Brian Scali, a legend. This is what I can say whatever I want. It's all, blame it on Scali. This is my time to shine. Brian Cohen played the deep fake HOH advantage where he gets to take it's not like i can uh say whatever i want it's all uh blame it on scally this is brian come and play the deep fake hoh advantage where he gets to take this

did you hear what brian scally said yeah one day one of you is getting canceled for what the other says and then the curb you're in music is just gonna play and it'll be decades of a culmination in that it would definitely be me and scally will get canceled then it'll be great what i don't like about that is i look bad either way so i'm tied to both of them against my will i think it's because your alley brian alley people hear brian scally well you need to find another alley to bring into the rhap network so then you can become synonymous with them and then you shunt the blame off onto that alley yeah and then you'll be like alternate universe duos and then you could have some sort of fight to the death to see who would be the supreme duo okay i like our chances i like our chances ally we'll take them down well we've got

a lot to do here tonight and we are up up against Big Brother is going to have a big episode here tonight. And so we are looking forward to that. So we have a couple of things that we need to do. One, let's just establish what Brian and Allie are up to to commemorate the Challenge Season 40 Battle of the Arrows. And you two have some preview coverage that you're doing with a member of the panel yes so we are doing more preview coverage than we've ever had before not to the level that mike bloom usually does for other seasons but we are discussing each era first era and the second era both out already third and fourth are coming next week and then

the challenge is something very fun they do like an episode zero preview special and we will have the great mike bloom on to uh discuss all that and get even more season 40 i i love the challenge yeah and i'm very excited because i've only recently like become a member of the challenge media as well i started doing exit press for usa and for all stars four and i'm i mean it's due in part due to the great work that brian and ally are doing i'm freaking stoked on the challenge 40 it is an audacious concept it is a 40 person cast uh and i love dividing it through the eras as well because there's just been i mean there's debate in every reality tv fandom it's like what are the eras what era era is the best? And I love this idea of

commemorating the history of a show by bringing people from basically every season on it. Yeah. Ali, can you explain a little bit more about what the challenge is doing for the uninitiated for season 40, the Battle of the Eras? I can't because I know very little about this besides what Mike Bloom has written in his article in terms of the formatting. What I do know from what we're talking about in our preview coverage is we have been introduced to four squads of 10 people from seasons 1 through 10, era 1, seasons 11 through 20, 21 through 30 and 31 to present, which is 39. Makes sense. And, you know, there's going to be twists.

There might be some tryout kind of situation to really make your era squad, but we're going to find out more, I think, in episode zero. Yeah, there's apparently like an initial combine, I think, of like you gotta make the team in the first place because i mean they're bringing on 40 people i was gonna say how else do you go from 40 to a livable season yeah this is the joke idea that i feel like so many people have had for survivor of just like bring like a hundred people to the beach and then squid game it down to

20 well hopefully no one will die. But yeah, I mean, what is the challenge if not the joke version of Survivor? But no, I'm excited. I hope maybe it inspires some other shows. Maybe it'll inspire 50. I mean, I'm sure that's well in the works. You know that I was on a reality season that did that, right?

Like that joke idea that I actually experienced that. 100 people entered three days later at were cut in three days wow but that's but isn't that more like the audition phase right like i think it's a good point um or like american idol would do that right where you'd see like the audition phases and that was like ridiculous what's gonna be hard i think and maybe would be hard for survivor is like and we talked about this in our most recent preview but are they really gonna cut half of each era episode one episode two like we want to see these people we're getting excited about the 40 people we know and want to see and if we get one episode with all 40 and we go to 20 i will be complaining on Mike.

That is just spoiler alert for our first podcast. What did I do? It was Mike. Okay. Well, let me just ask a question. Okay. So from what I understand with the challenge battle, the errors,

because there are these four squads and they are divided into these, into these four teams. Now do the actual errors of the challenge line up with the every 10 seasons? Like, does it actually make sense to call it eras? Or are they just like, OK, this is the arbitrary cutoff of after season 10. Actually, if you did the history of the challenge eras, it would be cut differently. I mean, it's obviously a little arbitrary. It wouldn't be so perfect that like immediately starting with season 11, there'd be a shift in the game.

But as we've kind of gone through the cast, each of them do kind of represent their own era in a good way. I mean, I think you can maybe divide up the numbers in like a different way, like one through eight and then like nine through like 22 or something like that. But in terms of the grouping of people, there does seem to be like a different way like one three and then like nine through like 22 or something like that but in terms of the grouping of people there does seem to be like a seamless shift of like what they kind of represent the type of people that were cast for the show what they

kind of do on the show so yeah the numbers may be a little like a fugazi but the people themselves kind of do represent the eras okay so do we need to and I know in our Slack, we were talking a little bit about what the names of the eras were. Mike, do you feel like it is important that we name the eras? one through ten tribe then we can talk about what the name is i think if we get bogged down right here at the starting gate of naming the eras we are and nothing would be more summer of survivor than to get bogged down at the starting gate shannon are you okay with that if the eras are are unnamed well it's not just about naming the eras we also have to think about defining the eras because are we just doing 110 110 because i already have objections 110 110 yeah i think 11 to 20 yeah yeah what would be what's your objections with that

like i already think like you would cap the old oldest school era whatever we're going to name that at all stars that's the end of that era okay but then would you do 9 through 20 I think so but everything would be different well could we hear your pitch so you want to have a

little bogged down I love hitting bogged down I love hitting bogged down you know what let's not only get bogged down. I love hitting bogged down. Ribbit, ribbit. Bogged down. You know what? Let's not only get bogged down. Let's create some merch that says Summer of Survivor and then the caption, let's get bogged. Because I think that would be some good merch.

I feel like I need to go to Urban Dictionary to make sure that isn't something that you wrote. Bog wild? I think that's better. I feel like getting bogged is close to getting pegged. It was better than bogged. No one was thinking that. You know, they tried to make it so we weren't live

and they were saving us from ourselves. And yet, here we are. Shannon, give us the pitch for five. It's five tribes? I think we should do five tribes. Give us the pitch for five tribes that is sliced differently. So off the top of my head, I think you'd go one to all stars okay then i think you would do nine through 20 that's a big era that's gonna be a

competitive era the issue is then i think you do like 21 to 26 of the dark ages but can we have that can that be like a reduced team and then i I think you do... Then you just eliminate them at the combine. I don't want to see that many dark-haired and dark-aged people. Okay, give me... What's team four? Well, I have six teams. That's what you want. This is like...

What I think, Shannon, what you are coming up with, I think is actually a different, interesting conversation. I think we should put that on the wheel of ideas of these. What do we call the ideas here? OK, too many podcasts. But we should define what the eras of Survivor are. This is what this is. No, this is this is like casting of tribe of one to 10, 11 to 20, 21 to 30.

Melissa in the chat, who, by the way, a while ago did confirm she was joking about the Brian Scali thing. Justice for Melissa. I got it. No, she's incredible. We got the joke. Okay, okay. She was because some people, anyway, 1 to 8, 9 to 20.

Then she says 21 to 32. I had separated those eras. But if you want to do, and then Mike's shaking his head, but 33 to 40 and 40 plus I think that's fine we can we can put the I just I just say do 21 to 30 because a second chance is 31

and that feels like a little bit of a refresh and then you go in from co wrong through 40 yeah it's but 33 was the start of like a lot of modernism the big moves era and all you ended at 31 because I do start of like a lot of modernism, the big moves era. And all you ended at 31, because I do kind of like ending at all star seasons every time. I hear what you're saying.

And for Brian and Allie, no doubt the actual errors, if you as challenge historians, if you were going to define the errors of the challenge, you would not classify them and make the cutoffs at one to 10, 11 to 20, 21 to 30, and 31 to 40, correct? So let the challenge be a lesson to us here, instruct us here, in that you might not be perfect, as Brian was saying, in terms of where the cutoffs would actually be. But when we make

the tribe, we might, we'll probably get the right vibe, whether it's cutting off at 30 or cutting off at 32, it might inform how we actually cast the era. If somebody really would fit more in another era, maybe they're not making the tribe here because the numbers, maybe they played more than once. Are we open to, so, well,

that's the thing is that because the casting was done by the season you debuted. Okay. And it's not if like oh you know kelly wenworth is going to be a consideration for 29 not for 31 it's not by your most popular season it's the one that you first appear okay so i cannot punt david right is what i'm learning here like i did so i feel you did it well you played with fire one slasher yeah we compromise and we end the years at 8 20 31 and 31, and 40. It's so clean.

The one thing I might push back on, I know ending on Heroes and Villains makes sense, but I feel like 19 should almost be ending at 18 and then starting with Samoa should be the next era. I was saying that there should be an era

called the Russell era, which is like 19 to 20 just six russell no no i feel like if we again and that's why i think this is an interesting discussion for a different podcast i think that there is an era of survivor where they fell in love with russell hans and it was a high high and then they were sort of like stuck with russell and russell's relatives for a while and they they were in the Russell hangover era. I think that is, I think from like 29, or I'm sorry, from 19 through 24,

I think that that is sort of like the Russell, chasing Russell era. But that being said- It impacted all of CBS as well. I think, well, it's going to take us an hour to define the eras. And Allie and Brian are here tonight. And so I think that's going to take us an hour to define the eras. And Ali and Brian are here tonight. And so I think that what we should do is work on filling in the tribes in groups of 10.

And I think that we can have another conversation down the road about what are the eras of Survivor. May I also add that some of us are rigid and saw the graphic and thought it'd be one to ten in our prep and that's didn't think this would be part of the discussion. The graphic was because we couldn't decide it in Slack and said we'll do it on the podcast. So we can't have that. That becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I was not looped into that chat, though I wouldn't have checked it because I don't know how to use it. Okay. At least you were prepping for casting for a Survivor

season. I stressed the last two weeks asking Allie, are we casting for a Survivor season or are we casting for a season of The Challenge with Survivor players? So at least some people knew what the show was. Mike, can you lend your opinion to all this? I am

fine. Honestly, what Shannon is proposing is not terribly different like it does are we gonna pull people it doesn't like anyone that also said it doesn't matter like if whether we end at 30 or 31 let me let me hear your pitch one more time i think it's got to be five teams i think it's it's it's one through eight nine through 20 yeah 21 through 31 32 through 40 new era well should it be 21 if 19 should be in this in that next era because i just don't think that's the rest of everything right we're not we're not ending our round numbers anyway i just don't think samoa and russell should be in that robert robert i'm bryce now um does it does it move the needle back to just the clean one through Robert, I'm Bryce now.

Does it move the needle back to just the clean one through 10 if your chances quadruple of having to be cast if we cut two more seasons out of your quadrant? That's true. I mean, you're going to either way, but I'm just... I just think, what are we quibbling over that the first era ends at, is basically seasons, it's not even eight, because when you play in your first season, it's one through seven.

Yeah, I mean, literally the only differences are, like, the first three, the one and three are, like, slightly different. That's it. Yes, and correct. Yeah, I think you could almost make the case era one should go even a little bit further beyond eight then.

Because I would almost, like, break it up by, like, the style of eight then because I would almost like break it up by like the style of the game plan I feel like nine ten eleven all kind of still fit there so maybe era one should end even later than okay let's let's vote let's vote okay it's time it's time to vote okay majority majority rules here okay uh the options are uh decades or

uh bespoke tier okay that's reminding us the big Brother is at nine. We know. We got it. We got it. Okay? All right.

Allie, what's your vote? I'm voting for one to ten, eleven to twenty vibes. We will cast the tribes with the right vibes. Okay. Brian. I like the chaos of like, I wrote like one to eleven,

twelve to eighteen. That's not an option. You get the write-in vote. All right. He likes customs. I like the chaos of like I wrote like 1 to 11, 12 to 18 Alright He likes customs, okay Shannon You got customs I want the decades Mike, you're the tie breaking vote I've given you a lot

in my life and I will end our friendship Well guilting is the best way to get to my heart I'm gonna go with shannon's pick here well okay you should have just known that i'm gonna talk shit behind your back now okay all right i went either way then quickly i need to know what the five groupings are so one through eight and mike mike will the mic is he's solemn in here he has heard all of the things. I do split a lot of babies. One through eight is the first one.

And it's really one through seven. I love that we only lost the only one because Brian threw away his vote. Morality vote. There we go. Next is going to be nine through 20. Nine through 20. I don't like these ranges. These ranges are not great. So Brian, switch your vote.

Drop your stack. Brian, drop your stack. So, Brian, switch your vote. Drop your stack. Brian, drop your stack. It is a difference of two seasons. And again, it's really 9 through 19 if nobody is coming from 20 because it's when you played it in your first season. So then it's going to be 21 through 30. Okay.

Then 31 through 40. And then... I'm sorry, it's 21 through 31. Okay. Then 31 through 40. And then... Oh, sorry. It's 21 through 31. Please. Karong is technically season 31. And then... And again, you can't pick anybody from 31

because it's all returning players. Rob... Why can't we just say 31 to 40 for the sake of simplicity? It's Rob has a podcast, not Jamokes have a podcast. Exercise your authority. Oh, it's always been Jamokes have a podcast. That's how we got the sake of simplicity. If Rob has a podcast, not Jamokes have a podcast. Exercise your authority. Oh, it's always been Jamokes have a podcast.

Sally, that's not how we got from Summer of Survivor. You've come for me personally, Shannon. I'm speaking up. Rob, assert your authority. Brian, change your vote. All right, Shannon, last thing on this, okay? We're trying through the Summer of Survivor to solve Survivor discourse

so that once the summer is done, we can say, what was the defining moments of the season? What are the eras of Survivor? What are these in case? All right, Shannon, you're happy if it's called 32 to 40, even though nobody from 31

can qualify for this list because it's only when you played in your first season? Yes, of course. Okay, fine. It's 32 to 40 now. Okay. Yeah. All right. right one to eight nine to twenty twenty one to thirty one thirty two to forty forty one to fifty okay all right we have to decide on these teams i also think that there should be one person that is the ultimate

final say for each of the decades. I think that we should each be a captain of one of the decades. Okay? All right. Well, okay. Allie, I'm going to give you the

first pick of which of the decades or which of the five eras that we've come up with do you want to be the captain you are the ultimate if there's any sort of a tie you have the final call i honestly think i care the least um for the first time in my life um but i will pick uh i honestly i'm still trying to figure out where we landed on these. I'll pick the first one.

I'll do Team OGs. Okay. Allie has the final say on the OGs. Brian? I'll take the second era because that's my favorite. Okay. Oh, yeah.

Shannon, of the remaining three, 21 to 31, 32 to 40, and 41 to 50? I'll take the third era. Okay. Mike? You know what? Give me the new era. I feel like I should get the new era here.

It's the only one I haven't talked about. Okay. Okay. And I will have the 32 to 40 era. Okay. All right. So... Should we name them?

No. Not yet. We don't have that kind of time all right that could be at the end when we see who's on the tribe okay so how are we going to do this start we're going to start with the old era right okay so are we just throwing names out there and then making cuts i think i think we could definitely throw some names out there that were like i imagine especially with the old era, I think there are going to be names that we're going to be in agreement with and there

could be ones that we could argue with. How many people do we want on the team is the question. Six, ten, eight, ten. We want to go full 50? I think so. It's 50 for 50, right? Let's do 10 then. I think it's imperative we get up the list of four survivor players. Essential Wikipedia

list. Can I just quickly, not to get bogged down. Is there some debate about who is a survivor player that we need like an official list on? No, just because sometimes you forget and then the Wikipedia list reminds you. But just to check in with the chat, Chappelle is here or at least was here being a menace, giving his opinions that I disagree with.

And also- Agreeing with me is not being a menace. That's just agreeing with me. I mean, Brian, he knows what's going to get me. And it was. And then Kieran in the chat whose anniversary was last week. He's the person I picked to come on. So Kieran, get in touch with Sam.

If we have time, if we have time. Which we will. Okay. Kieran's going to come on. I would like to put out a first suggestion. And here's the thing is that, and Brian and I can speak to this further, like especially with this cast,

there are very few misses in Battle of the Eras and that comes with also bringing on pretty historical figures. It's a no-brainer you bring Richard Hatch on for Era One here. All right, and this is like a, I guess are the people, because in the challenge exercise,

you need people that are actually like not totally aged out of the thing. And I know this is 100% fantastical. Okay. This is like some sort of simulation that we're like, so we're seeing these people like in their prime as they were. No, we're seeing them the age they are,

but we're just okay with it. Okay. We're just okay. Okay. Even if they did. Well, that was also going to kind of my follow-up to the dead thing yeah like is this is it like you know the ballot it's not ghost island to play for like someone

like rudy obviously like i feel like he would represent that era right but would he be a part of this brand i don't even know what mtv means so probably he would not like it but let me just ask so did the challenge like, were there people that like if you were going to be making this fictitious list that they would have been on the list, but for one reason or another

they were declined to be asked? Yes, very much so. Usually, well, either declined to be asked or I guess they could have said no but there's there's some uh let's say more problematic people from the challenge not unlike survivor not unlike survivor you know what like both that um would be banned from uh returning that if you were doing a all if every single person was you know a lovely human they would have been on but

since they are not they are not okay maybe i mean listen if we're going for realism i might retract my richard nomination then no i think that let's look um let's for the purposes of history okay i think we rich if we ultimately cut richard that's fine but richard should be on the list yeah i mean i think that the oldest era is going to be interesting because there are so many defining players obviously by, by very definition. So there's a few names that you have to have, like, I mean, definitely Richard Hatch. You'd have, like, Colby, Jerry. Mm-hmm.

Rupert. I mean, here's the question. Did we just look to the cast of Survivor All-Stars and eliminate eight people? But is this even beyond, like, fiction, where can we get colleen oh that's a good point i think colleen could be really interesting i think colleen would be a great like wild card to show up but then who are who's the woman from from the list that you're

gonna eliminate then right because i made a rough list of like 10 and i think it's probably on the margins okay all. All right. Similar, but like, so are you cutting? So who are you cutting for? The hits? No, no,

I reserve my list, but I'm just saying like, if you're adding a wild card, which I love, and I don't think in fairness, the challenge like did enough of, of like really digging from people. Like they are playing the hits,

which is great. Like Mike said, there are no misses, but if we're bringing colleen i think we're cutting somebody potentially that yeah is like a shoe-in so who's like the person we're subbing out for her i guess i don't think we should big woman well i guess we need like who are the 10 shoe-ins that are the five women shoe-ins yeah give us the list ellen i'm happy to go with the hits. I think that's the point of this, right? Yeah, I mean, we all might disagree, right? But I think

Sandra is one of the hits. I think Sue is in the conversation. I think Jerry's in the conversation. I think Vesepia's in the conversation. Oh, interesting. Oh, you know what? There's room because this is a list from seasons one to

ten and instead of one day. So perhaps one of my people. So maybe the sepia isn't on the list for some people, but that was my, that was like where my head was at. I think the sepia gets a lot of help from it being only now one through seven.

Yeah. Much like Rob Sestranino will get when we get some i don't know i know stephanie lagrosa to worry about it's tough because i i feel like you would get like one of tina or vasepia i feel like those are the two i would between yeah see tina didn't even make my short list only because we've seen a lot from tina and not and not to say that she doesn't belong as like a standout in the era but if we're having colby and jerry and maybe it's a conversation that we're not having colby and jerry do we also need tina um may i also add to the list of i feel like we're starting with the women uh just a couple other names that i think are notable to throw around here. I think Kathy

should be on our short list. Yeah. I think that the winner of Survivor of the Amazon, Jenna Maraska, should be at least mentioned. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I think you mentioned her. Mm-hmm. Now she is. You could also, you could also mention kelly wigglesworth oh yeah i mean the first survivor winner yeah though i would say maybe to ali's point like if we're trying to make sort of the quick hits of the first seven seasons of survivor do like richard and sue kind of and colleen like I think they override maybe the power that Kelly Wigglesworth had I mean I agree

with that but I actually am most persuaded by Rob throwing out Jenna because like what that was such a specific era it's almost like if we threw out the other Jenna right like the pink bathing suit you know like not that it's about that

but but you know the that was a huge era of like the the pathway from survivor to playboy right like the oh like hottie strategic woman on the show like i think jenna is like really a great example of this kind of early era like celeb reality kind of adjacent period that's interesting yeah that she sort of represents the pipeline to that type of world as a reality star okay so basically it's what it's sandra sue uh jerry jerry looks like colleen and basically a fifth spot between the three other i'm not sold on colleen i thought i'm not sold on Colleen.

I thought I was sold on Colleen either. I think Colleen at this point, that means more feels like a, like a niche pick of like people in this like deep dive world. We go, that'd be cool. Like Colleen, but I think if you're like thinking like,

who, who are the 10 survivor players from this era? Like if you're doing family feud, I think Colleen's an immediate X. She's not making the big board. Yes. That's what we should be doing. That's what you should be thinking.

Who would 100 people answer? That's the criteria. Name a player from the old era? Yeah. I think Colleen might have a better chance of answering it that way. It is tough. And I think this is something to challenge it to, right? Like, if we were having this conversation and all-stars just aired right Colleen is more top of mind and certainly for like the super fans who

do this every single Wednesday in the offseason to discuss this certainly that hits but if we're standing at season 46 and we're looking backwards I think the challenge did a lot of people who we've seen recently who have come back, who have done All-Stars, who have done World Championships, the people who have stayed kind of engaged. And I think if we were being more realistic, that would

change Colleen's odds of being on this cast. But we are freaks, and we are doing this in the offseason, so I'll endorse Mike if he feels strongly about it. Is Colleen not the Aviv of this cast? He would be. I feel like I'm saying no to Colleen and I think

you have still winners and I feel like even Kelly Wiggles. What I'd like to suggest is let's throw the male names out there and let's see if maybe that might be a little bit instructive. Can we just level set though who's even in the conversation because I'm kind of

I think Sandra is the one person that we have locked. I think Sandra is the one. I think Sandra, Sue, Jerry. Sue and Jerry I think. Who are we between? Sepia, Jenna and Colleen and Tina.

And Tina. For two spots. I'm glad I picked my veto for Between Vestepia, Jenna, and Colleen. And Tina. And Tina. For two spots. Okay. Yeah. No Kathy. I'm glad I picked my veto for this. And Kathy. Put Kathy in there.

Okay. All right. In the conversation. And then the men are going to be tough because it's so hard to narrow it down to five men. Okay. Boston Rob. This Rob. Richard.

Richard Hatch. Rupert. Rudy. Colby. Well, i think we're saying that rudy um i don't think that we're putting anybody in uh mike do i pronounce this right uh post uh humusly yeah uh yeah richard rupert both, you could just do this on Oz. I have a really strong feeling about one of the people you're talking about, if I may offer.

Yes. You know, come at me. I'm already dealing with the David Wright stands. And I do believe he belongs. Anyway, whatever. I don't think Boston Rob fits this era. And here's why. Okay.

I understand that he appears in this era, right? Like I know that he qualifies, but I think much like the challenge folks, Boston Rob like really has the benefit of the growth arc of having appeared more times than some people on the challenge, which is made of repeat players and i just think he kind of becomes the lore of boston rob i understand all stars obviously counts but just like if we're counting his like first season his originating

season am i putting marquesas boston rob in this category and i not. And I know all four of you are going to, and it doesn't matter. But it does include All-Stars. Yeah, but that's not his original season. All-Stars really is thrown out. It's like what you guys are doing in the, whatever. Can I ask,

in terms of how they cast the challenge, if somebody did not necessarily become an icon their first time out, but then grew into an icon the challenge is doing that but what i think is different here so yes right like cara some of the greatest people on the show bananas went home like first his first season and now he's got seven rings but i just think it's that's the spirit of the challenge the challenge all of them have been on at least three times except for one person that mike mentioned and to me it's not the spirit of survivor in the same way in terms of what like suits the era i'm looking at people who change the game in their

first season and i'm looking at one of them right now on the screen so that's my i know that he i know that he will be on. And I won't fight it. I don't think it doesn't make sense. But when I was putting together my list, that's how I felt. Yeah. And just a reminder to the listeners that Allie holds all the cards in the old era. Only if there's a tie and there will not be.

Can I just say, well, there's five of us. So that's going to be tough. Well, we almost had one last time. We literally did. It was a 2-2-1. I don't know how I won. I don't know how that was allowed. We did not get a majority.

So I would kind of agree with you about putting Boston Rob in a later era if All-Stars wasn't in this era. This is why the returning seasons are important about where we put them. Also, it's defining, so it's important. If you're going to family feud this, Boston Rob is like the number one pick on the board. Who played, you know, one to eight. I would also say that I do see your point about like, well, Boston Rob doesn't really come into his own

until the season that he wins. I mean, I would argue Boston Rob didn't really change his game between All-Stars and Redemption Island. Wrote on that celeb. To say like, oh, he was a completely different person between his runner-up season and his winning season. Can I say, when I

go back and I'm recommending Survivor to people, a lot of them used to watch Survivor and they tapped out at a point. And the way I usually get that is like, oh, do you remember Stephanie LaGrosa? Do you remember Rupert? That's how these iconic people that they attach to boss robin is definitely one of those people for all stars people can say all stars is his biggest season bigger than redemption island

probably and probably bigger than heroes versus villains where he was only in the pre-emerge 100 i think my error in the era is i sort of like toss out the returning seasons. And that's not fair. Like it just it's just like I'm looking at the first season of their appearance, but totally valid. OK, so my question is, are we talking is the proposal that Rob should not go here? He should be in another season or we should not have Boston Rob on the list. I'm here piping hot take because I almost feel like Rob on the list. I'm here piping hot take. Because I almost feel like if we come away with

this list of 50 survivor players. You threatened your friendship over a thing. I'm crazy. And we come away with this list of 50 survivor players who should be on the Battle of the Eras. And that list does not include one Boston Rob Mariano. Though the one point

because I disagree. I still feel like we should put him on the OG team to Ali's point I have a feeling we're going to be a little thin on the men's side for era three so he might be able to take up a slot there put a note in the comments if you disagree with me you know drive I just think we would be like engagement that's good we would be

like a very into it we would just need a very strong footnote to be like this was determined based off each person's original seasons impact and nothing else beyond that. Cause it's, it's hard to justify it without. Yeah. Put a footnote that said Allie Lasher had control of the first era.

Well, let's just come up with like, who are the five people that we are talking about? So just like our, that we have, do we have these five slam dunks? Yeah, so I would say Richard Rupert. Okay.

Yourself, Boston Rob, or perhaps on the bubble, and Colby. Those are my five, yeah. Am I missing anyone? That would be my five too. And I don't even know who. So Allie, who do you have ahead of Rob?

So I have on my of Rob so I have on my short list I have Ethan okay and I have Lex I would have Johnny Fairplay over Lex I have Lex and I don't have Boston I'll take that

I would do Fairplay and I love Ethan and I recently gave up everything for Ethan in another draft that we did but Wow. Take that. I would do fair play. And I have fair play too. And I love Ethan and I recently gave up everything for Ethan in another draft that we did. But I think this five is pretty definitive. Are we missing anyone, chat? I think, yeah, Richard, Rupert, both Rob and Colby. That's family feud. Well, it's funny though.

If you say with confidence, it doesn't matter that I exist it's pretty definitive and who cares what this idiot says I would argue to take myself out of the list even though this is the summer of us eating your ego come on what do you think we're here for

it is interesting though with Rob I did not remove myself from the vote I said that it was a no win situation for me to be in the vote this is Rob addressing comments that were made on a podcast listen to the podcast and then yell at my TV or my phone if we were trying to group

people it wasn't weak sauce era of not just where they debut but almost like how they play what the era of gameplay would represent they debut, but almost like how they play, what the era of gameplay would represent. Like that would almost push like, we're going back to like changing the eras, but that would like push other people to different eras. So it's like very, it's got to like be very clear,

like how we're like defining what the eras mean. But I guess it's. Do we have to be, look, I've relished this fight, but obviously Boston Rob is going to be on this. Like that was not, but it was, but we had fun. Okay. I think the Colby spot could be up for grabs.

I had fun. Sorry. I think Colby is, was one of the most popular people from that era. He was like the first example of the emblazoned hero in survivor history to the point of like him and Jerry are basically the mascots of heroes versus villains it's I I know again history looks back with the superman in a fat suit Colby but if we're talking about what represents that era Colby's there okay so all right do we have consensus around are the five men of this team.

The one last thing I'll just say, and I didn't even, I swear to God, if I get voted out again, no, I just, I just do think like it is in the same way that I was arguing against Boston, Boston,

Rob. And I think, you know, history has not been kind to Johnny fair player should say, Johnny fair plays, not been kind to anyone, but like he, he really does. like again if you're doing the family feud

rules or who invented like being the first villain or whatever it is crazy that we're just kind of yada yada him being on it maybe because he's not anyone's favorite but they're only five I met Johnny Fairplay earlier this year I feel like um like I'm not saying any of the ending

I just don't have space in the five. So I just... Who would we kick out? He can have my spot. I already said. I think it comes down to, I guess, Rupert or... I do wonder, though. If you ask the 100 people on the street,

would Fairplay be said before the Rob over here? I think he probably would. Which 100? At a rap event? No. No. On a different street? Yeah.

I mean, there is a... Listen, we're all for gender parity here. If we feel good about only four women, we could put Fair Play in as a sixth person. And then later, would this work? Then later have more women in a different era to compensate. Yeah. I don't know if we got to the point where we said

we only feel good about four of the women. Like, I feel like that would just circle back. We only have three, honestly. Yeah. No, and then we have a list of like five that we had to table. I don't think we like. I would. I would suggest in there.

No, I like. Honestly, I get rid of Colby or Rupert before I would get rid of a woman. I feel like it's so essential. Like, I feel like Rupert is. Give me five minutes and I'll show you a picture of me beaming at 13 with a picture of Rupert in an airport in New York. I love Rupert. I love Colby, but I just, I just do now I'm fighting for fair play. It wasn't even on my own list. This is all upside down. So you, you want fair play that as God, as a guy, number five over, over his nemesis Rupert,

I would say Rupert or Colby. Cause if we're casting a tribe, do we have all heroes, right? Do we have Rob C, Rob M, Colby and Rupert and no fair play? Like, where's the interest, baby? Rob M, infamously a villain alongside Rupert and Colby on that season. Rob C, talk to the audience. And Rob C would probably

be on the villain tribe if he was a hero villain. I'm talking about audience perception. I'm talking about audience perception. Let's do fair play and then like Tina. Yeah. And then overcompensate with women in another era. Okay, so that Thomas in the chat says

that I really shouldn't be there, but you all just don't want to get fired. No. I'm begging to be fired. I'm begging to be fired from this podcast. That's not why you'll fire me. I'll be fine. Chappelle said,

don't waste the spot. You should find what Chappelle joined the chat or get out. I mean, I think that's the problem. Uh, I like the idea of banking the women's spot for leagues. I do think in like era three, there might be like another woman. Okay. That's not happening. That's the problem. I like the idea of banking the women's spot for ladies. I do think in like era three, there might be like another woman's spot. That's not happening. That's insane.

We're not banking a woman's spot when we have nine women to choose from. We're not banking a woman's spot. With disrespect to the female survivors. So this is coming down to, okay, we made Allie the captain here. Okay, we're going to need to make some hard decisions here. Allie, do you want to lock the men

or lock the women first? Let's lock the men. Okay. All right. I'm going to say the names. You tell me lock or not. Okay. Richard. Lock. Okay. Boston Rob. It wasn't a tie. was overwhelming so lock okay colby on the bubble okay bubble for colby rupert on the bubble rupert on the bubble rob c lock it in. Lock him up. No, please stop.

Okay. All right. And fair play. I'm locking in fair play. So you guys can choose. Fair play, she's got locked. Yes, we love executive orders. Lock him up.

All right. So that leaves then four contenders potentially, or really of Colby or Rupert, who's in, who's out? You guys can decide that. Because honestly, it's like choosing between two of my aspirational sons or fathers. You can put Rupert in.

I would put Rupert in. Colby was great. Such a seminal, you know, historical impact on the season. Rupert is, at his time, the most popular contestant in Survivor history to the point that they gave him a million dollars just for it. I will say Travesty

to not have Colby but not on the level of the travesty would be to not have Boston Robbins. I mean do you think I'm insane for saying that fair play belongs in this conversation? No he has a place in the

history of the show for sure honestly we might have to cut this rob because he'll understand it i will understand it uh look like i i feel like that i have a um like a grounded sense of my part in all of this. I think that I had a nice run here and we had some good times, but nobody named their baby Rob Sestranino like they did with Colby. That's valid. I don't have a kid yet, Rob. This is discrimination against childless women. If I had a kid, maybe we'd be having a different conversation.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know what? I know that there was a cat. Wasn't Jay's cat? Rob has a podcat. I mean, look, what's the chat saying? Does the chat think this Fair Play thing is shenanigans?

There's a lot of people that... Some people are saying drop Hatch and keep him. You know what? I didn't want to come out twice, but hatch was also not on my definitive list. No, I think we have to, um,

Brian, you've been quiet. What do you think about all of this? I think we have the five. I think we're, I think we're good. I think what's the five. It was Richard,

uh, Rupert, Rob, Rob, and fairplay. No Colby. Okay. All right.

Rob, you're okay taking Colby's spot. You can live with yourself. It won't be the first time. Give Colby my spot is what I said. So odd. But we gotta move on. Whether it's me, whether it's Colby, we gotta move on with this thought. Sam will blame me.

I don't even know how or why. We still have to lock the women here. I think it's pretty much my fault definitively. I don't think anyone's gonna blame me. This might require the most conversation, honestly, this first era. Famous last words. Alright, so we're moving on here.

Two Robs. Richard, Rupert, Johnny Fairplay. Okay? And so we're moving on here to two Rob's Richard. Make a white Rupert. Johnny Fairplay. Okay. That's incredible. There you go. Well, how is he not wearing tie dye?

That feels like senior. I caught him off guard. This was not an appearance. I saw him in the airport. Yeah. Okay. No, where's my tie dye? He's like pulling it out like Superman.

We have Sandra. We have Sandra. We have Sue. We have Jerry. We need Sue. We have Jerry. We need to add two more locks to the list of the women. Allie, where are you leaning? I think you sold me on

Jenna. I really just threw her name out there. Just by mentioning her name. I sold myself. Okay. And then we have Vesepia from your original list. The likes of Tina, Kathy, Kelly Wigglesworth, and Colleen Haskell were all mentioned. I'm agnostic. I feel like where I would go, I know where I would go, but I'll put Jenna through and let you guys pick the last one and I'll try to stay quiet.

All right. Lynn, let me, let me then, uh, push for the Sepia here. That's what I was going to push for too. Well, then that's my list. Three votes. Let's go.

Okay. With all due respect to Kathy, who I think is certainly worthy of a spot. Um, I would say that you have Sepia, a winner. She never gets to come back on any of these all-star seasons.

For the love of God, if we're bringing back 50 people, let Vesepia in. Yeah, imagine we left her off again. Would not be the best look for this panel.

Yeah. I would say Tina over Jenna. Or we're not into that as a conversation. I would do Jenna over Tina, but I don't, I could be talked out of either of them. Here's into the challenge of younger, hotter

people making up the cast. Have you met Brian? Of course. Yeah. Don't go to him to pick Tina. Okay. All right. Tina or Jenna. Okay, I'll vote for Jenna. Okay. Jenna got the vote. Let her in.

Come on. Okay. All got the vote. Let her in. Come on. Okay. All right. So we have locked the first team. There we go. First try. That was so quick. Yes. Okay.

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there's two people that i think would have been in era one that are in era two that I think are taking up spots. I think that's really the only difference. Alright. Nine through 20. Brian Cohen, you are our leader. Do you have a short list? I got a few names that I feel like would be hard not to put on there.

I think Stephanie for one would have to be on there. I would think Parvati for one would have to be on there. Yeah. I would think Parvati for one would have to be on there. Did you see the report earlier today that Sharon Tharp was reporting that Parvati is bringing her talents to Dundee!

You know what that means, Rob? No, I don't. Who drafted Parvati to play on a reality television show in the next year? Is that the first confirmed points possibly? I'm leading a draft. Shannon is leading a draft.

One to zero to zero to zero to zero. One point for me. Yes, but probably a sign not going to be playing Australian Survivor. Yeah. She can do both. She has time. She can do both.

Alright. So Parvati. Stephanie, Parvati. James. James, okay. I think so. Mike with the doubt. No, I'm just thinking about it again. I'm trying to think about the fact that James and Amanda did play three times in this era. thinking about, again, like, yeah, James. No, I'm trying to think about the fact that, like, James and Amanda did play three times in this era.

JT, Russell. Oh. Okay. Interesting. So I'll start with those five. All right, so those five. Okay, well, Mike also threw out Amanda. Amanda.

I mean, I'm going to throw out freaking three fields. Yeah. What about Coach Coach yeah I mean it's basically like combining Micronesian heroes villains I feel like anyone not on those seasons I feel like it's gonna be very hard for them to be that's where that's where we

benefit from in these first two seasons that we have actual returning seasons of like oh these people are the the ones that should get brought back has Tom been said I think Tom so Tom and Stephanie were the two that I get brought back has tom been said i think tom so tom and stephanie were the two that i think would have been in the contention for era one and now we're in era two yeah um i mean you have the vanuatu people you uh amy did brendan donald not sell everyone on chris daughtry or no just me i i think the problem is is that there's so many people that

came back from this era that it's gonna be tough to find like a spot for chris doherty you know i think geo would kill us if we didn't mention cancel me we have to mention earl at least geo would kill us yeah are we looking at all into like the makeup of the tribe of like okay we just can't have like bring back like five like uh mach macho muscle guys. Are we looking to have any sort of balance in these drives? That's why we cast you and insisted on you in the playoffs. You're the muscle.

Yes. I mean, I think Jonathan... Me and Johnny Fairplay. That's the tough thing. We have a season like Cook Islands, which has bred a good amount of legends and multiple-time returnees. But to Rob's point,

would they take up about half of a tribe? I heard bred. I haven't eaten yet. Okay. Penner. Also, did someone say Ozzy, Penner? Yes, Ozzy. This is rich.

So I've got James, JT, Russell, Coach, Tyson, Tom, Ozzy, Earl, Chris, and Penner. And Yao Man. Jeez, could we bump some of these men to the third era? Jeez. A lot of names. Stay your lane, Captain Brian. I do think Yao Man was so popular at the time.

I think he should be in the conversation. But if I have to have a top five, I would say, I think Russell, James, coach, Tyson and Ozzy. Okay. See, the Tyson's like, the kind of Tyson is almost like the,

the boss of this era. Yeah. He's not really as much from, I mean, obviously he's very much this era, but his impact was not this era. So here's why I was prepared for that argument, because I agree with you,

but I also think Tyson on his first season being like the male betch, like the mean boy, is very iconic and game changery and of that era. So I do think in his first season, he like even alone lives up to this, much less the rest of that era. So I do think in his first season, he like even alone lives up to this, much less the rest of his journey.

And this would sort of be a case like the Boston Rob where it could be like, well, Tyson really comes into his own on his third season, but this is the season he technically started on. That said, I'm still, I mean, people that are locked for me are definitely Russell and Ozzy. I think those are two of the biggest names. Like, I think JT, if there were enough spots, could be a fun representation

because this was an incredibly popular winner. And then sort of, again, someone that has this fun returning appeal of like, you never know what's going to happen when you bring him back. But I do feel like Coach, I think I would put in above him just because of the legacy he provided as a survivor character and I think James is a lock to me he's like the Rupert of this I think you guys are being way too high on James

just for the popularity of this era like if they did a million dollar vote after heroes villains I feel like he wins that the way Rupert wins I mean he won the fan favor prize whose shoes are we standing in though again it's like are we talking about Colleen in season 8 shoes are we standing in though? Again, it's like, are we talking about Colleen in season eight shoes? Are we talking about in

2024 looking at the totality of the franchise? I love James. I don't have a picture of him with my grandma like I did Rupert, but he did say New Orleans, which is where I don't, but I but I think someone like a Yao man in terms of the mix of popularity and just like longevity

of that moment. I'm more convinced there. And I think- You got Johnny Fairplay there. Will he slam his head into the boat again? Yes. I think with James, if we're looking at like what represents his era, James played to and through a merge

three times in five seasons or, you know, through 15 to 20. He and Amanda, I i think defines so much of that era and i do think it has staying power and i do think that it's what you would remember if you were to say it like on a family feud perspective so i think james is like a character you go back to of like oh what do you remember about that also yeah i feel strongly push for shane powers uh also from the chat i'm sorry. I know that people were begging for T-Bird for Era 1.

This is not the wish list, loves. We can't necessarily in these early eras especially push for people that have only been on one season. I guess what's our ultimate route? Who defined the era? Is that what we're coming down to? That's who I'm doing.

Russell. People may or may not enjoy Russell but in terms of somebody who defined an era like I feel like going back to my earlier conversation I think he's the one person the one singular

player that I think defines a an actual era of the show. Which is why I pushed so hard for fair play for the same reason, right? He doesn't have to be your favorite, but yeah, I think Russell's a lock.

Look, my five, I think, and I love Penner. That would be like my Shane pick for the people in the chat writing about Shane, but my five, and I know it's not going to get through here.

It would be Ozzy. Yeah, man, Russell Tyson and coach Ozzy. Yeah, man. I'm sorry's not going to get through here, would be Ozzy, Yao Man, Russell, Tyson, and Coach. Ozzy, Yao Man. I'm sorry. Russell, Ozzy, Yao Man, Tyson, and Coach. I have that, but James instead of Yao Man.

I think they sit in a similar spot. I agree. It kind of sounds like that's what it's coming down to. Is it Yao Man or is it James? Okay. All right. I would be James over Yao Man. I'm James over Yao Man. Okay, so that's it. Is is it James? Okay. All right. I would be James over Yao Man. I'm James over Yao Man. Okay.

So that's it done. All right. Is that a joke? Wow. Well, Tom Westman got a shocking little amount of love, though, in this conversation. Well, you know what? Because he's on my list for one to ten

because I prepared based on the graphic. So I don't think he would have made it. I agree with Shannon. I don't think he would have made it. You had Tyson as one of those five? Yes. I would have Tom over Tyson. And I could be talking to Yao Man over Tyson. I wouldn't have Tyson in my five.

I want to, but it's not what we've said. We'll see how the third group goes, but I put Yao in and shift Tyson to the next. You can't shift to another seat. You cannot do that. Okay. Well, that's noted. But I'm going to. Okay, well, that's noted. The record shall so reflect.

Brian, I'll go with you on giving up Tyson for Yao Man. If we did it one through ten in the first one, you could have put Tom as the fifth guy. Yeah, but then Rob is willing himself off this podcast. And then let Tyson be on this list. Is anybody else buying that deal? Is anybody else flipping with me against Tyson and going with me and Brian with Yao Man over Tyson? I'd rather have Tom instead of Yao Man.

I was going to do Yao Man. Well, I've got two votes for Yao Man. I'm just saying if there's a third here that wants to join us or if all three of you want to flip it. Is it Yao Man versus James or Yao Man versus Tyson? Well, now it's Yao Man versus Tom versus Tyson. See, I feel like we have the locks. Russell, right now.

Like space with discussion. Russell coach Ozzie as lock. Russell Russell. And I think James was in all four of you locked in James. So that I don't know. I just think coach Ozzie and James are in. And then who's the fifth? I think if we can't move Tyson to another era,

I think we have no credibility. If we walk away with this list of 50 people and Tyson's not on it. I agree, Tyson. I choose Tyson. All I was in on Tyson was always on my original list. But I'm just saying that Brian said he'd flip Tyson for Yao Man. I said I would do that, too. It sounds like two no's and one silent person over there who wants to move a Tom. So I don't think we're getting any bite i think it's nice i just feel like if you were around the water cooler at

your office tomorrow and people were talking about hey did you hear that podcast where they made the list of the top 50 survivors for battle of the eras and you and and they left tyson off like what a bunch of idiots but you let me say that they are did you hear they left yow Tyson off like what a bunch of idiots. But you, let me say that. They are. Did you hear they left Yao man off? Like, Oh, okay. I guess it was.

Okay. At least they're talking about it. You know, if we just make the list that everybody expects, we make, nobody's talking about the water cooler. It's look at these jamokes making the same list. We already left Colby off.

That's good. I feel like that's why I feel like we should put Tom on. We're doing that. They're meant to agree. I'll remember. I'll remind you of this. It's 2-2-1 and Brian is the deciding vote.

Brian, I will end our friendship. All right. We've said all we need to say. Brian Cohen, the five men in the second era are who? Russell, Coach, Ozzy, James. No, I flipped to Tyson.

Never mind. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Okay, great. No, Brian, I'm kidding. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, it's fine.

It's fine. We can do Tyson. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. I'm just sitting on my little buoy for 12 hours.

Yeah. Is it Tyson? It's Tyson. James, Russell, Coach, Tyson, Ozzy. We. Is it Tyson? It's Tyson. James, Russell, Coach, Tyson. We did it. A lot of honorable mentions. Earl, Yule.

Yeah, 100%. It sucks that we couldn't include them all. Okay. For the women, I think there are four locks. I have four locks and then there's like...

Okay. Where are the four locks? I don't know how if Parvati, Steph, Seri, and Amanda are in on it. Yeah. That's okay.

Who is our fifth woman of this era? May I suggest Sugar? Corinne Kaplan. Courtney Yates. Should I suggest Crystal Cox? No. Courtney. If I left and just left this photo, would anyone notice?

Oh. Yes, Allie, the about fair play supporter okay courtney is a courtney is a very uh interesting suggestion i might remind you you have vanuatu at your disposal also we could we could have an amy or an eliza eliza behind one of the biggest memes dann Danny Bo, right? Alright. Then we have serious suggestions of... We have Sugar. I'll keep something for Sugar.

We talk about the massive popularity of people like Sugar was the character from Survivor Gabon. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm debating between Amy and Sugar right now. No no not even personally yeah i like courtney but it is interesting i was just saying uh amanda's repping it for china i

suppose that would be a lot and james is on there too okay who am i voting between what season does this go through natalie white is also Shambo. Yeah. Could be fun. Okay. I have my finger on Sugar right now. Sugar. Alright. You're locked. Brian. I'm sure not. Alright, sure. Let's lock.

We are locked in. Stephanie, Parvati, Amanda, Sri, and Sugar are the five women of the 9 through 20 era. The next era was defined as 21 to 31.

We didn't name the eras. That's going to be for after the show. Old school and then... I like this. Let's do what they've been doing for the big brother live feed updates i think people in the comments and the chat afterwards can name the eras themselves tune in to the preview of episode zero of the challenge with me mike and brian and we will reveal the results oh okay there we go i love that go to robin's

website comes as challenge feed so you don't miss it. Boom. Okay. All right. Shannon, this is your... Buckle up, everybody. Finally. Okay? Nice to be back in control. 21 to 31. All right? Shannon's favorite era.

Yep, I have not thought about it. Okay. Do you have your potential favorites coming in for the men or for the women? Let me just think off the top of my head. Tony. Jeremy. What am I thinking? Men or women? I really feel like

Tyson should have been here. Cochran. Stick with the men. Cochran. Probably Malcolm. Pretend like it's a survivor draft. Yeah. Tony, Jeremy, or Lox and Cochran I think is a top three. Tony, Jeremy, Cochran, I think, is the top three.

Tony, Jeremy, Cochran, okay. Yeah, I think Malcolm should be on there. 100%. Yeah, 100%. Okay, so that was my top four, so that's where I went instinctively. See, the one with Tony, Jeremy, Cochran, and Malcolm. Tony, Jeremy, yes.

May I offer a controversial choice? Please. Yes. I'm just making sure I'm in the right era, because, no, I have to... controversial choice? Please. Yes. I'm just making sure I'm in the right era because no, I have to. What seasons are up for this again? 21

through 31. Okay, so is Philip in the conversation? Okay, I mean, he did define the era. Is Philip in the conversation? I think there's a legitimate chance. Yeah. We can talk about it. Especially when Malcolm, Tony, Jeremy. Philip did.

That was my list. I will carry on your legacy. Don't worry. If BR was here, this is how he would play. BR, the 51st player. Okay. Are there any... Is there anybody that's uh some notable other figures yes mike ain't a great season for the men that's what i'm saying ain't a great uh series oh well actually i mean here's the thing again looking back retrospect spencer I was just going to say Spencer. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Hmm. But I feel like Cochran over Spencer and then, you know. That's true as well. Mm-hmm. Hmm. I'm just looking through my list of all Survivor players. I mean, we're slowly eliminating people who have won five immunity challenges.

I'll throw Mike Holloway out there. I don't know if he'll make it, but... Yeah, but a one-time appearance overall. If there was a time to do it, it would be this era, where I think we are good on format. Tony, Jeremy, Cochran, Malcolm, Phillip. All these people played multiple times. That's true.

For me... I like Phillip. Yeah. My five would be Tony, Jeremy, cochran malcolm spencer in that it like ends on second chance as he gets to the end top four twice in a couple of seasons that would be but as fun as spencer was i feel like he was always like overshadowed by bigger like he like tony overshadowed him that jeremy i feel like philip was almost like the co-star of like his seasons where spencer was just more like a i am and i do think that philip kind of does represent you know the the a lot of stuff from those first four seasons right which is kind of like big outlandish moments, negativity, maybe not the best strategy as well.

And so he does kind of represent that group as two. Yeah. And I feel like that we have Cochran, we have Malcolm. I feel like that Spencer fits somewhere in between them. I feel like the way we have the two like extremes of, uh, well,

the extremes of Spencer, uh, could go lots of different ways. But... Shout out to Keith Nail as well. Yeah, being like a doff of the cap to Keith Nail, but we didn't put Rudy through. honorable mention for sure. Yeah. Okay.

Alright, so I think that maybe... Shannon, what do you think? What what i voted on my own season did we did well that that you were that um we can we can vote on it it's the boston rob effect you know it's four people yeah i you know yeah i mean i guess philip kind of represents the dark ages in a way that the others don't coch Cochran, to a degree. He just, I think, really was such a big part of the two seasons

that he played on that they brought him back immediately. If we family feud it, I think Philip's there over Spencer. Maybe not in this RHAP audience, but in the larger audience. Alright, sounds like you guys are all into it, so that's the five. And Phillip

still gets talked about on the show. I mean, only Banu talked about Spencer in his pregame. He wanted to play like Spencer. Well, we did everything Banu said. Banu jumped off a bridge. We're not up to Banu yet.

That's when we get to his era in the 40s. Just wait until I cast 10 Banus. Yeah, all right. I really wish I could. All right, that's it for me. All right. Shannon, we need the women of the 21 through 31 era. Yeah, so I think some locks, Natalie Anderson.

Okay. Kim. Okay, yeah. The era, I think, really defines the big movie era i think kelly wentworth very much because those are the the two seasons including by the way check out kelly wentworth uh on this week's claim to fame recap with jenny autumn and i dropping uh tomorrow thursday morning be on the lookout for that so those are some locks for me. Do you want to throw out some other names? Sophie.

Sophie, Abby Maria. Yeah. I think you could have a one of one of Abby or Cass. I know they compliment each other very well, but I don't know what the tribe would do with two of them on. Wow. Denise.

If you want to put Malcolm and Denise back. Controversial opinion uh there's never a list related to survivor that i will not put franny on i know she doesn't necessarily go on here but uh oh andrea he's on my list andrea's like andrea's a good one too so are we saying sierra is a lock for this list because i i didn't think she yeah i mean i think she's a lock for this list because I didn't think she would be a lock. She's a lock for me. Yeah, Sierra to Shannon's point, like was somebody that had this major impact on blood versus water,

you know, helps instigate the second ever rock draw in Survivor history. She voted out her mom. Like, again, I think she's one of these people that we look back in hindsight being like, remember when everyone was so high on Sierra, but like she does represent that era. Okay, well then this is going to be a harder conversation i think than the men's side because i think that we have era without sierra there we go i love that can't spell it sierra

without era yeah okay so we have about one spot open is that all we have i mean wait i don't yeah well because so i didn't you know obviously we don't have the exact same list. I think Sierra is a lock for me. And I think Kim also has to be there, but everybody else to me, like, obviously again, I'd have my five,

but I think is more variable. Did everyone agree with who are the other ones? Natalie Anderson, Sierra Easton, Kelly Wentworth were the four that we originally started withon Kelly Wentworth were the four that we originally started with is Wentworth a lock I think Wentworth is a lock I mean

should I I'll throw out some but go ahead I was gonna say I think here we have to kind of discuss like the quote unquote archetypes or the mix of the tribe in terms of like a similar archetype in like maybe a Wentworth a Kim Kim Spradlin, and Natalie. I know it's not like a perfect one for one,

but with Sierra, Kim, Wentworth, and Natalie, are we kind of like having a pretty specific type of player versus like spanning the era? Or maybe this was just the definitive kind of type of player. And I know there's differences in their games, and I know that, but I don't know that we have like an amazing mix, but. I mean, I'll throw out another name.

Yeah. Sarah Lucina. I just feel like part of this decision for me is like, if like, and I've been gotten to be around a lot of these different players and to see like the reaction that a uh like a survivor fan has when they meet this person is almost like the biggest and i feel like that wentworth gets that pop like i think that you go to the right place people are crying when they meet kelly wentworth i'm not coming out against kelly wentworth she's on my list too but like are we i'm just looking at if we're if are those four people are crying when they meet Kelly Wentworth? I'm not coming out against Kelly Wentworth.

She's on my list too. But like, are we, I'm just looking at if we're, if are those four locks and we're, are we casting a real tribe or are we picking like five fan favorites? Like I guess now in our fifth discussion about this, what are we doing? I think we're looking for the icons of the era.

What about, or, or icons who at least got started in this era like Andrea for me is like another one that I would stump strongly for Andrea's on that it's going to be a bad season just because yeah that's true yeah

I think I think Abby needs a lot of mention in terms of like the icons of the show I mean I think she was such a huge part for her two seasons that I would put her up for me ahead of Sierra and Kelly but I know that's not going to happen but at least for the fifth spot she would be there

for Sarah Lestina I feel like she represent the next era but she's not in that era so she kind of falls into neither I think I want to lock in Natalie Anderson Kim Sierra and Kelly Wentworth that would be four. And then I'd be happy with an Abby or a Cass. So say it again.

Natalie, Kim, Sierra, Wentworth. That's the four locks so far, Shannon. Is that correct? Cass, Abby, or Sophie. I think we need to have one of Cass or Denise as like an older female contestant who slays in this era.

I feel like that Cass is the person who still gets talked about to, you know, that like if you are like, you know, 20 seasons later and people are still like talking about you. I feel like you are mentioned all the time, though. Every season, it's like, who's the Malcolm and Denise? I feel like Denise gets mentioned all the time. Malcolm and Denise gets mentioned all the time, though. Every season, it's like, who's the Malcolm and Denise? I feel like Denise gets mentioned all the time. The Malcolm and Denise gets mentioned every season? Especially in the new era, because every season is in the new era. Who was the last Malcolm and Denise before this?

Before Charlie and Maria? I'm not good on the spot, but I feel like it's a couple of times. It came up last season. For me, it goes Abby, Cass, Denise. That would be the order of my preference. I think we should bump one of the other four,

but we're not going to. It's fine. Yeah. I just think it's a little boring. Like, I don't think we have any judge. For me, yeah. Like, I think that what Sierra did, like, Sierra voted out her mom,

I think really kicked off the big moves era, but I feel like that Sierra herself does not need to be there for me. But hasn't that, I mean, that's like, isn't that agreed upon as more than more overrated? She voted out her mom, but who else? Yeah, Rob's agreeing with you. Rob wants to get Sierra out.

Yeah, like somebody who is not necessarily Rob's agreeing with you. Rob wants to get Sierra out. She's like somebody who was not necessarily like the all-time player, but had like a huge moment. She came back twice in this era, and then Jeff loved her. I feel like she was spoken about so

much. So, Sierra is probably the person that we're even talking about that i really want to see come back however i will flip with brian and rob if there's a person we can align on only because i just think gameplay i'm looking at the rest of the tribe and i just don't think it's that interesting on the women's side and that representative of like how interesting and, and different sort of these games are of the women on the larger list. Well, that's why I said there's an open slot. And if you take out Sierra,

I would put in Abby and Cass. I think those would be the other two. I think we can put Cass in. I want Cass, but I don't think we can put her in over Sierra. I thought Cass was already in, in the fifth spot without, even in your four, who was your fifth in your lock four? Natalie Anderson, Kim, Sierra, and Kelly Wentworth.

Right, so who was the fifth? There was no fifth. Just to clarify. Right, so I thought Cass was going into your fifth spot in general. Oh, I don't know. Abby, Cass, yeah. So I don't think it's a one-for-one sub of Sierra and Cass necessarily

because I think... Go ahead, Mike, sorry. No, I was going to say, a one for one sub of like Sarencast necessarily, because I think go ahead, Mike. Sorry. No, I was gonna say just to clarify Chappelle's chaotic ass in the chat. This is for 20 through 31. So it's not like we're saying, oh, we're putting Wentworth in even though she's barely on Samuel Dessert. This does include Cambodia, too. Now, had we not included Boston Rob,

I guess you could make that argument of that she did not have a huge impact in her own first season. But he's in. Okay. So Shannon, you locked Sierra in as captain of the 21-30. But is it a captain no matter what?

Or is it if it's a tie? I thought it was still a vote. I thought it was only a tie. Okay. Okay. I guess it's Sierra or what is the question or abby i think is the question or well so it's two spots open it's sierra cass or abby i thought most of us yeah yeah i think it's three to fill two spots basically right with denise not in the mix right denise is not yeah i don't think she defines the era as much, but she was a good honorable mention for me. See, I feel like for me, it's like Abby or Cass,

and I would lean Cass over Abby. Oh, actually, I'd lean Abby over Cass. Abby makes it to the penultimate episode of both of her seasons. Are you guys putting Sierra in? I wouldn't. I would put Cass and Abby over Sierra just based on the rest of the people we're putting in,

but, you know, whatever. I think we're, yeah, whatever. We could do a challenge vote for two people. Are we trying to... Callie up the votes for those two. Okay. So we're trying to fill out of two slots, Sierra, Abby, or Cass, okay?

Yeah. All right. All right. Can we take a... Okay. Allie, Sierra, Abby, or Cass, okay? All right. Can we take a... Okay. Allie, Sierra, Abby, Cass. Pick two. I mean, I'd pick Franny or Sophie,

but no, I'll put Cass and Abby out of those three. But I think it's a win-win-win, so if it ends up being Sierra, great. We're doing like an outcast pile out here. I'm on Cass and Abby. Cass, Abby. Cass, Abby. Okay. Shannon.

Sierra and Abby. Okay. Rob. Sierra and Cass. I don't really mind. See, I just. Well, you gotta pick one. Okay.

Sierra. I pick whatever's good. You abstain. Do you abstain on your second? Yeah. Okay. So only a Sierra vote. Then controversial take. Let Shannon

put Sierra and then it's her era. I'll say Sierra and Cass. And I will say Sierra and Abby. So Sierra either way. You have to break the tie on Cass and Abby. So Sierra and Abby. Yeah, so it's Sierra and

there's actually there's three Abby votes. There's three Cass votes there's there's three Abby votes. There's three cast votes and there's three Sierra votes. God damn it. So, Shannon, you pick. You do you. And how is that possible? Sierra and Abby.

It's nine votes. Sierra and Abby. Cast going as an alternate. Congratulations. Sierra and Abby. Would be flown to Fiji. Okay. Then the men, Tony, Jeremy, Cochran, Malcolm, Phillip.

Locked? Yeah. Okay. Moving on to the... I'm the captain now, okay? 32 to 40. Barcode. Okay.

All right. Let's go. All right. Throw some names Alright, let's go. Alright. Throw some names out, Rob. Okay. David Wright. You're the guy that throws the names out. Okay, well,

I might have not done a lot of prep for this. Christian Ubicki. This is interesting, right? Because we're going to get some returnees on this season, but the majority of these are going to be one-time players. Angelina. Okay.

On my list. Let's start with the men. How about Dom and Wendell? I'm just throwing names out here. This is not like a locked list. Christian, Dom, and Wendell. Okay. Dare I, Ali?

Dare I say David Wright? Say David Wright. I think Zeke's there, too. Mike White. I said Mike White. There you go Wright? Say David Wright. I think Zeke's there too. Mike White. I said Mike White. There you go. You got your three. I wasn't mentioning.

Adam has to be. I feel like Adam has to be a lock. I mean, I do think, though, a lock has to be Rick Devins. Devins? Yes. Yeah, definitely. I'm just going back. Ali, you've had such strong feelings on so many different people from this era.

Yeah. We've had such strong feelings on so many different people from this era. Yeah. We've had some fun podcasts in this timeline. Thank you for always keeping it interesting. I'm not hating on Rick Devins. I have nothing but respect for Rick Devins and his whole family and everything that he's done. And what he did to launch

the On Fire with Jeff Probst podcast, of which I am a vocal fan. I don't know that he's a lock. I'm surprised Jeff Probst podcast, of which I am a vocal fan. Yeah. I don't know that he's a lock. Like, I'm surprised you're all like, he's a lock. Like, I think he's a debated person who maybe makes the list, probably. The issue here is that a lot of these people do not come back a lot in the 30s. Yeah.

I mean, there's going to be probably like six of these people that we're talking about who return. Six to eight, I think. No, Ty, the originator of the CEO award? Ty could definitely be up there. Ben is a returning. To me, I think Zeke is a lock.

I don't like saying it's a lock because we're all going to discuss it, but for me, it's like Zeke, David Wright, Mike White, white ty and somebody else interesting adam okay um i've got a type don't i look at that list same person wow damn okay scratch that scratch that all right chris underwood yeah like ali Wow. Damn. Okay. Scratch that. Scratch that. All right. Chris Underwood? Yeah, like Ally being like, are we worried we're casting today? Did we say Davy? Did we say Davy? I would say Davy,

but I think that I probably put a Christian over a Davy. I think Christian and Wendell are like, I would put them in ink. Here's a hot take. Yeah. I think Wendell and Dom get substituted for the real game changer of that season, Laurel, casting the tie-breaking vote,

the first ever tie-breaking vote. Don't you want to see Laurel again? You know, we've seen them on the challenge. Where is Laurel? Show me Laurel again. You might hear that very question asked tomorrow on the wish list with Bryce Isaiah. Oh. Baby boy. Okay.

Alright, so let's get to our locks. Christian will be a lock, okay? I think, I would personally say Dom is a lock. I don't know if Wendell is. Wow. That's only because you haven't seen him play again, but if that was, if this was, you're casting for that era of like their're important i mean he's a challenge usa he's a challenge usa

i mean i think yeah i mean that's i think that dom is somebody and maybe it's tough because to your point brian so much of the discourse has been clogged with like why hasn't x i wish xyz person came back and maybe it's because wendell was excluded from that conversation but dominic is someone who is always talked about as like we need to see them play Survivor again sure but I feel like if that's not what this exercise is that I feel like

this is who represents the era and like Wendell beat I feel like that the the drumbeat for Dom to play again has been a little quiet the last couple of years well again check out the podcast tomorrow on the 150 wish list. Maybe that should be starting again. And he did play

again. He just played on a different CBS show. Okay. Shannon, how are you feeling here? Yeah, I feel like Christian is hard. Christian, David Wright, Devins. Christian and Devins for me are the two luckiest locks.

And David Wright does play Twython this time. David Wright. And I do think is memorable. I probably, I might take him the most of the millennials versus Gen X people. Ty. I think Ty really defines a lot of the season, this era.

And then maybe we don't do Dom and Wendell because they kind of speak for each other. So one of the two. So I would have, and this is going to be a shock, Ty, Zeke, David Wright, Wendell, and Devins over Christian. I came down to Mike White, Devins, or Christian. I can't put Christian. I feel like Christian is so defining.

I'm beyond the point of thinking anyone's going to agree with me. I'm just saying it because I'm here. That's where I would go. I love it. Alex, say that one more time. You said Ty, Zeke, David Wright. Ty, Zeke, David Wright, Wendell and then I was between Adam, Christian, Devins and Mike White and

could be happy anyway, but I went Devins. Okay. Alright. In terms of where I'm leaning okay I think the three locks for for me I think right now are Christian David Wright and I think Rick Devins is a

lock for yeah the men of the 30s 32 to 40 specifically and then I really feel like we should push for tie I'm with you Ty 100% I mean Rob is the Ty breaker and I'm not as high

on the Ty you're not as high on Ty? Why? Somebody rhymes Does the Sia award not define the Sarah? The Sia award does I'm not out on Ty but so and then I'm not out on Ty, but...

And then, who gets to call out a Dom or Wendell? Wendell. That was a Ty, too. How would it not be Wendell? I don't understand. Like, I guess... Yeah, this is also 40. I'll play again. Yeah.

But I would say, if you're defining Wendell's 40 performance, I don't know if you're counting. Well, he does play again. He does win. Maybe we should break the tie the same way Laurel did and you're defining Wendell's 40 performance, I don't know if you're counting. Well, he does play again. He does win. Maybe we should break the tie the same way Laurel did and give it to Wendell and tie. So it would be Christian, David Wright, Rick Devins,

Ty, Wendell? Yeah. Any strong push? No, Zeke. We're not even talking about Zeke. Oh, Zeke. Yeah, Zeke is... I would have Zeke over Ty. Maybe Zeke over David Wright. I feel like they start representing similar things

in terms of Lin-Manuel's versus Gen X. I'm Christian, Devin's, and David Wright. Three spots. That should be two spots. You feel like, uh, get rid of one of the glasses guys? Like, Wright, like... David Wright?

I feel like we're taking, taking like unique stories out of this and we're putting in kind of a similar like if we're really casting would we put all three of them on this tribe but if someone would answer family feud if we wanted like a name that's very different than all these and if we're treating an hour a survivor bubble. Okay. I mean, we haven't mentioned Joe. So I think, all right. No. Joe's not interesting. Joe's not even in this era. No, Joe's not in this era. We miss Joe.

Joe played in first on season 30. Darn. Okay. Oh, no. So I would say of the three, then I would take the lock off of David Wright. Because I feel like- I mean, you guys don't have to agree.

That's just what I'm looking at. You guys can put all three of them through. But to take Zeke and Ty and replace them with someone I think we already have covered. If it's Christian, Rick Devins, Zeke, Ty, Wendell. Yeah, I love

David Wright. Not me, but David Wright again. That was not my intention. I love David Wright. Not me bumping David Wright again. That was not my intention. I love David Wright. He's my favorite. I like too, Lasher. Mm-hmm. But I think this is fine.

Okay. Christian, Ty, Wendell, Zeke, Richter. Everybody's bringing a little something different now. Okay. All right. The women. All right, the women. I will suggest Chrissy of i think really clear i will suggest chrissy hoffbeck chrissy okay i think for me michelle michelle aubrey and michelle like both for me like that

that duality defines obviously this includes 40 as well for michelle and also he's gonna play three times in a very short amount of time and angelinaina. Those are the top three for me. So then that would be four. Okay. Hannah, Angelina would be the other two. I have Angelina. Angelina is lock it up, okay? I feel good about Chrissy, too,

because I think she represents something that's not really here. The chat is saying, Sydney, do we do that? Do we do the whole kind of Co-Wrong endgame with Ty, Sydney, Michelle, and Aubrey? Bring back the entire Final Four of Co-Wrong. I love that Final Four. I mean, I would say maybe it's recency bias, Rob. And look, I don't know how much of Season 39

we would want to bring into this discussion. But what about somebody like Janet, maybe? I think Janet or Lauren I think or Elaine I think who gets forgotten I think that they're worthy for conversation are we are we sleeping on Laurel

probably there's gotta be fun here you know like a little like who knows how they're gonna plan their second time can we do a wild I mean if we want to go wild wild card I'd put Reem on over maybe someone like Laurel maybe someone like this

okay this dude just as a group listen to this as a group Angelina Michelle Aubrey Michaela and Reem Angelina Aubrey Michelle that's a lock okay that's a lot and Reem Angelina, Aubrey, Michelle. That's a lock.

Okay, that's a lock. And ring. I think I'm going to say Aubrey and Michelle. We're going to move them into locks. Okay, Angelina, Aubrey, Michelle. They have three locks. Okay. And Mikayla, surely.

Mikayla. I think Mikayla. Well, I think the thing about Mikayla is like, I think her challenge career has brought her back to the conversation more so than her survivor career. Well, she plays back to back. We don't have enough millennials versus Gen X representation because we couldn't put them all in.

She comes back, she's in Game Changers. I feel like she's high on Family Feud and she'd be good to see again. Is she high on Family Feud? Yeah, I think so. For that era, I think so. I think we forget. Michaela was a massive character.

Okay. Brian, what are you thinking here? I got Angelina, Aubrey, Michelle. Who are the last two? Aubrey, Michelle. I think Michaela should be on there. Okay.

Yes, Brian. We agree, Shannon. Look at us. Who would have thought? We just become best friends. I'm open to that and then who's the fifth Was it Chrissy Yeah I think Chrissy If Chrissy's not in Angelina, Aubrey, Michelle, Michaela

Chrissy how does that sound Yeah I like that we did it See Sam we can get Wait sorry so who got Say that one more time Angelina, Aubrey, Michelle And then Four and five are

Mikayla and Chrissy Who's not on your, from the list Shannon, you said, was Chrissy on there? Reem Here's the one thing I'll say Like we don't have Debbie We have Phillip and Coach We don't have any of the

kooky women. And don't kooky women matter? I would say if we didn't have as many people from CoWrong, I would say Debbie could be fun to put on there. Yeah, we have a lot of CoWrong representation. So I'm endorsing. I just want to

put it on the record. I endorse Shannon's list as it was with ream. Yeah. But Angelina brings a little kooky. Oh yeah. She brings a lot of kooky. She's baking cookies. Yeah.

Okay. Let's I, yeah, I don't co-sign this. Did we end up with Abby too? I don't even remember. I was Abby. We got kooky.

We got kooky. I don't even remember what the list is. Yeah. I've got, I've got it. I've got it. I've got it. Okay. And then Chrissy.

All right. So the new era, here we are. Yes. Here we go. 15 minutes away from Big Brother, Mike. Oh, I got it. Take it away. I will do the impossible here,

and I'll come up with a curated list. So I'm going to start with the five women here. Okay. I've got Shan, Marianne, D, Carolyn, Venus. Okay.

I think you have the first big strategist of the new era in Shan. You have arguably one of the most talked about winners of the era in Marianne, Carolyn, incredibly popular player. Dee, one of the most dominant players of the new era. And then you have someone like Venus, who I think was very much kind of defining

that wild aspects of 46. I think you have a really obvious snub that you need to rectify. Financial analyst Emily Flippen? Yeah. Now, Joanne, she said she does not want to play. But this is also a very...

We haven't considered that at all. That has not been a part of our rubric. We've said you have to be alive. It would have to be then Emily over Venus. Yeah, I think you could have Emily over Dean, but I would have Emily over Venus.

All right, I'm good. then let's put Emily over Venus wait is anyone missing can I go to my big book of survival plays I guess like Liz and Maria but I put everyone I think like Maria Franny I think Erica could be like all these other Cassidy

could be some of these other people but I think those five are kind of, it did very well. Good for you. I only working from four, five seasons or five, six. Exactly.

That's why, that's why I took the last era. Okay. So then from the, the guys are a little bit different. We forgot Asia. We forgot Asia. Should we put Asia there?

Uh, to be fair, we didn't put 47. in fairness to you, we said it was the, you know, 41 to 46. Asia can host. All right. So the men are a little bit more interesting.

So I know the locks. Asia won so dominantly that they're actually not going to let her play again. Exactly. For me, the three locks I have for men are Omer, Jesse, and Q. Oh, interesting. And I think Ricard is definitely a name I could throw in there. I think Jonathan and Gabler are in the conversation.

Jonathan is definitely a name to put in there. Gabler is interesting. Jam Jam is another name that we could throw in there. I said Jelinski. Ricard, Omer, Jesse, Q, and Jam Jam is where my heart is taking me. Q, Omer, Jesse. I said Jesse Q and jam jam is where my heart is taking me Q Omer Jesse Q Omer Jesse Ricard

jam jam I mean you're getting the Ricard and Shan dynamic back together is fun is Q too much of like the coach Philip dynamic if they have another did Ally just not say that we need kooky characters or kooky characters? No, I said women.

Here's the thing about Q. I think what's great about Q as the modern era version of that is like, he doesn't know he's that like, it's like, you know, it's a strategy and someone who thinks they can teach people how to play the game. I guess they were that. Can I mention Caleb also? Caleb. I think Caleb could be in another tier because like unfortunately for caleb we're speaking about people that like made it nearer to the end of the game caleb unfortunately finishing as first juror um i see do we are we missing a beat here with all the complaints about how the

new era is too full of nerdy men are we missing the boat by not bringing on one of like carson drew or charlie on oh i thought you were gonna say jonathan because you've picked me up too many men you know you've picked like i don't think that that's missing i do think as well like those are names that would be in the conversation as would like an owen and i do think that they're worth discussing but i don't think that they get to the point of the Ricard, Oma, Jesse, Q and Jam Jam for me yeah yeah we have two but I do worry about this tribe in terms of the physical challenges I feel like they would uh not do too well but we're sleeping on uh and I don't know is he canceled offline or something I don't pay attention but

but Jonathan was one of the like most unbelievable yeah no i think jonathan is uh a pretty good one no no i think i think we need to find a room i i actually don't know of the people we're talking about who you get rid of but i do think for like the tribe dynamic we have to put someone like jonathan there's no one like jonathan even in like the whole back half of Survivor. Yeah, I do think that's an interesting point. Yeah, I think for me, it would be like one of

Jonathan, like Jonathan Jam Jam Ricard would probably be the three I'm going with. And also, do we need Ricard too? Do we need them both? I think we kind of do need Ricard. Mike, just give us your locks. Would you bump Omar? My locks right now are Omar, Jesse, and Q. Oh.

Okay. Never mind what I said, Omar. I didn't say anything. I think... That was a good answer. I was going where Shannon was going. If you want Ricard... Like, I think it's like Ricard or Omar maybe.

But... Yeah, Ricard and Omar are very similar. And Jesse, like, that's three, I feel like. Ricard and Omar are not very similar. And just like that's three. I feel like we're not very similar. Do you even do Arrow, bro? Well, we have to Carolyn. So do we need Jam Jam? That's my question.

I think Jam Jam is representative of the era. I think that if you're like, I think he's one of the was he not one of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of the new era? How is he not on the tribe of 10 people? So who are you cutting Rob? I think for me, um, I think that, uh, I, maybe I go, uh, Jesse, I don't know who I'm cutting, but I think i might give you okay i'll tell you my five okay uh jesse q jonathan jam jam omer i would i would i would agree with that

who did you cut from my five ricard ricard yeah yeah okay went wide-eyed for about five seconds that said oh yeah actually at the end of the day it's okay i mean listen i won't throw a last minute curveball uh you know i know we're talking about gender parity but evie is uh someone that that should be mentioned at least i think if you're taking anyone from 41 it's shannon ricard like i love evie if i was casting my fan cast i I'd say Evie. But in terms of defining the era, I would do Shannon Ricard. And we can't even fit both. Okay.

I agree, Shannon. All right. So we have Omer, Jesse, Q, Jam Jam, Jonathan. And then Shan, Marianne, Carolyn, Emily, and Dee. Okay. All right. Are you ready to hear the list of 50? Okay.

Here we go. First 10. Richard Hatch, Boston Rob, Rupert, Johnny Fairplay, and Rob Sestranino. And no Colby. We have

Sandra, Sue Hawk, Jerry Manthe, Vesepia, and Jenna Maraska. That's our one through eight. There we go. Nine through 20, we have James, Russell, Coach, Tyson, Ozzie,

with Stephanie, Parvati, Amanda, Seri, Sugar. Okay? 21 through 31 is Tony, Jeremy, Cochran, Malcolm, Phillip, Natalie Anderson, Kim Spradlin, Sierra, Wentworth, and Abby. Okay.

32 through 40 is Christian, Ty, Wendell, Zeke, Rick Devins, with Angelina, Chrissy, Aubrey, Michelle, and Michaela. And then 41 through 46 is Omer, Jesse, Q, Jonathan, Jam Jam. With Shan, Marianne, Dee, Carolyn, and Emily. Okay. Can I say something you're going to hate? Of course. So going back to what I said about like the numbers might not be right but the vibes will be there when you were reading the cast

and let me know if you disagree i think that if we're gonna talk about what we think of Survivor in the first eight seasons, it was like mostly, you know, not as strategic, you know, good people, blah, blah, blah. And per snaps, Johnny Fairplay is not as exemplary of that first eight seasons as a Colby. It does feel like Colby's absence, without you saying not Colby is felt heavy okay heavily there that that does feel like a gap that if I were to like see a picture a cast photo on the beach of you guys it would be like like in the way that Russell speaks for that era

does Johnny Fairplay despite having one of the most iconic memorable like moments of that era. Does Johnny Fairplay, despite having one of the most iconic, memorable moments of that era, I don't... Does he speak for the first eight seasons of Survivor more than Colby? Colby not taking Tina to the end is a pretty big deal, too. They both speak for the era. We just can't fit them.

But I'm saying... I think if Rob wants to quit, I am fine giving up his spot. I think if Rob wants to quit, I am fine giving up his spot. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I would give up my spot, but I'm not quitting. I am not a quitter.

Ali would say it's weak sauce. Well, I thought I put... So I thought I put fair play through against your guys' wishes. So I was trying to rectify that in looking back at the whole picture. If that's not the case, that's not the case. It does feel wrong not to have Colby, but I don't know

what we do about it. Colby can host a la Top Shot. I think let's start all over and reevaluate what we mean by each era. Great idea. That was so hot. This is an incredible experiment. I love it.

Anticipating an age related medevac will put six men so I think we have the 11 people from the first era six men they show up they compete and the loser goes home I mean I will also say Colby was a superman

in a fat suit 20 years ago, Shannon. I think Rob could beat Rupert in a foot race. Have you seen some of these guys? Come on. I know that. I'm still going back and forth between like Courtney or Sugar for that spot on Era 2. Yeah, the people in the chat room love you too. Listen, let me say this

right now. Line me up for a 40-yard dash with Richard Hatch, Colby,by boston rob who else is here i'm winning you are the muscle you either you know die the weakest player or live long enough to become the muscle like i think you're i think you're the muscle on the tribe you're the jonathan but i'm virile. Okay, we're not going to get into that. Don't want to get bogged.

But I do think Courtney and Sugar, I'm back and forth between them. One of the reasons I didn't suggest Courtney is because we already had two. Wait, hold on. What did we do for the first 10? Yeah, we've moved on. We're having six of you show up. No, you can't have six.

You can't have six. Look, I'm open to changing fair play for Colby. I think Colby should be in over me and Johnny fair play, for the record. I kind of agree, but I can't say it. You could say it. Take the Colby in the front. The Colby Donaldson. I don't have an ego about this.

I open this issue. I do think Colby, in hearing the list back does have to be there for one through ten. We have to have Colby. Let's keep Rob's gone. Fair plays in. I don't endorse that, but fine. You're kicking this Rob out? That's fine. You just said you agree. Put me in the picture.

You said you wanted to do that. I want to put it on Brian. I'm looking at everybody. Actually, in the category of most likely to host this are you like the voyeur Rob in the bushes just peeping on the he's feral he's feral

if anything Rob has been spared from having to do this you're welcome that's better we called him for an interest call and he declined okay alright so Johnny Fairplay in I'm gonna sit this one out they'll be the statue of Rob

he could show up at the top let me do the pregame interviews that's my dream okay there we go amazing please all right let's do that and then Courtney over Sugar is a late push I'm debating it because yeah I mean the thing was I didn't want to bring on too many

China people. It does feel like the vote is not representative. We have half of Taku from 42. We have two people from China. It would be three. I think Sugar. Are we voting? Last thing. Sugar or Courtney, Allie?

Sugar. Brian? Sugar. Shannon right, last thing. Sugar or Courtney, Allie? Sugar. Brian? Sugar. Okay, Shannon? Kooky women. I'm going to say Courtney. Back to you, Mike. God damn it!

You people! Kooky women. Mike, our friendship. Is Courtney going to have kooky? What about our friendship, Shannon? I'm not friends with any of you. I'm going to say I will go with...

All Rob wanted was a few minutes before Big Brother. I will now debate this for an hour. My Ninja Creamy is not going to make itself. Rob, switch your vote. I'm going to amon it right now. No, I'll give it to Sugar here.

Mike, I'll fringe it. Leave it alone Sugar here. My girlfriend did. Leave it alone. Okay. Alright. Sam says we can announce what we're doing next week, but could we please remind the panel what we're doing

next week? Yes, so I believe, Shannon, we are doing a sequel to a highly anticipated episode of Summer of Survivor are we not yes yes we're doing Defining Moments yes we're doing the second part

if you haven't gotten enough arguing about Survivor just wait until next week when again we are going to be going to the bingo balls and we are going to be picking the defining moments of the Amos to cover all the seasons that we didn't do this last time. Shannon won out. And so people messaged me.

So many people that were like, please finish all of the moments. I can't tell you how many most iconic moments of each season. Part two, all the ones we didn't get to the first time. Okay? Yeah. All right. Allie and Brian are getting ready to bring you coverage of the real Battle of the Eras, the challenge season 40. Preview podcasts

are dropping now at robinsofwebsite.com slash challenge feed. When is the actual kickoff to the season? The premiere is August 14th. August 14th okay so uh just a couple of weeks away ali uh what other podcasting are you doing these days well first of all thanks for ruining my night doing this no this was fun um i enjoyed being here i enjoyed playing in the deep end with the real Survivor fans. So thank you for that. You can

catch New Girl, Old Guy where Akiva and I talk about New Girl entering its 100th year in sixth season of New Girl. But Akiva is hard at work toiling away so he doesn't have time. So that's on Yadis, but you can check it out. Anchor.fm slash New Girl, Old Guy.

Check out the challenge. It's already already plugged and join us in the challenge. We're happy. Oh, having a lot of fun over there. Bustling, thriving. Join us. It's really good time. Okay. Let you in.

All right. Great job tonight. Allie and Brian for you. Everything that Allie said, join the Facebook group. Follow me on Twitter. Tick tock challenge. Wrap ups. T challenge wrap ups TikTok check out that okay all right Brian underscore didn't say it on Twitter okay great job

the bad boy of Twitter the survivor of survivor tweeters as they say okay that's what they say all right Shannon what's coming up for you besides the bingo more bingo balls bingo balls traders new zealand i'll survive in new zealand which i always i did that in my post yesterday um yeah that's it for me follow me at shannon gates that's all i got all

right and then mike what's coming up for you well the first thing i want to plug is summer of survivor because breaking news are happening now we're doing a bit of a time change as was mentioned at the beginning of this podcast big brother is rolling back an hour and so are we so we are going to be going right now at 6 p.m eastern moving forward uh 3 p.m pacific insert whatever time for your time zone there so keep your clocks tuned uh for those of you that are going to be joining us live and i hope you do listen it was a very spirited debate and i'm sure we've all gotten on people's shit list at certain points over the course of this podcast but that's the spirit of the podcast i'll be doing it all again next week uh as for what i'm doing so what brian misconstrued this podcast as i actually got to do on the free agents podcast which was drafting people from

survivor to be on a future season of the challenge so that was a very fun time just living in my island lifestyle as I have been as I've been doing on the survivor 50 wish list talked survivor Triple H with Lindsay Wilson today and tomorrow we got a ghost island with the baby boy

Bryce Isaiah covering big brother over on Parade.com. First exit interview coming up this week for the Evicted Houseguest and TV for Real with Sasha Joseph. But you can keep up with everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type. Just a couple other Survivor podcasts to let you know about talking with T-Bird this week.

We talked with Janet Carbon from season 39. Had a fun chat with Janet. And then Kellen Bechtold is back this summer with Road to Reality. And her newest episode is with the great Jatia Hart. So check out Kellen's very emotional interview with Jatia. So check that one out.

Thank you so much for listening. We'd love to hear what you have to say in the comments. Have a good one. Bye.