RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 47 B&B Ep 2 w/ Josh Wigler

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor that week. Mike and Liana are joined by Josh Wigler for Episode 2!

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hi everybody and welcome back to the rhap bnb for episode 2 of survivor 47 my name is mike bloom and if you thought that the the rust was shaking off in the premiere we were ready to move on from the mess tko i've got several surprises for you as we've got much much more to get into the first 90 minute episode of the season but a lot packed into it excited to welcome in this group to break it all down of course the co-owner of the b&b liana boris liana howiana, how are you? I'm doing well. Thanks, Mike. This episode for me was really fun because we spent so much time in camp life, right? Like we get to explore all of these kooky people interacting with one another. And that's absolutely my favorite part of Survivor. And I can't wait to talk about everything. Yes. Cookiness is one of our mottos.

You know, if you if you tap into the bedrock of the foundation of the bnb it's chock full of kookiness not great for insulation but great for podcasting and i am thrilled to bring this guy on because it has been over five years since he's graced the bnb of course he's had his own journey with survivor but he is back and we are welcoming him with open arms to the B&B. He and I spent a lot of time on a presumptive beach talking about not necessarily alligators and the Super Bowl in Las Vegas, but plenty of stuff, mostly around loss. But I am elated to officially welcome back to the B&B,

the one, the only Josh Wiggler. You're elated? I thought you were Mike. All right, well, that was a great return to the B&B. Thanks for coming, Josh. It's great to see you as always. Wait, hold on. Now, I understand. Hi, everybody. I understand that it's been a little while since I watched Survivor on a regular basis

But I'm pretty sure, Liana I watched this episode And I didn't notice any cookie people There was no one who was just like Humanoid baked goods Unless I was turning away at the wrong time You have to see past it, Josh Exactly You have to delve a little bit deeper

no it i'm gonna disagree there because look we had a little bit of another week of a bit of an imbalanced edit and could this be the reason why because it's we're favoring the cookie people no the opposite oh we're all in on like the like i don't know what's like the like the boring opposite at like a lunch of a cookie it's like you're the little cucumber and cream cheese sandwich we're favoring the cucumber sandwich at it well it's because could it be that like saul is a cookie and so therefore because he can't say any many things that's why we don't go to him a lot because you mean that's what they say when they eat salt you mean to say that like literally as a baked good yeah lacking the vocal cords or even potentially the free thought with which to express

themselves as an individual there's a non-zero chance that the survivor producers were having an experiment of can we make a fully confectionary person and give them the power of speech and saul listen liana you talked about it a little bit of an interesting pre-season interview with him maybe it's that they're realizing like oh okay maybe the beta version is uh not exactly passing the turing test here in a manner of speaking. And so let's just keep them in the background for now. Back of the bakery shelf until he works all the bugs out. Well, I don't understand why they thought that they had to rebake the cookie. The gingerbread man from Shrek was the perfect template that they should have used.

I mean, hilarious. A good liar. Top five cookies of all time. Five cookie characters. Is the gingerbread man? I would be afraid. Listen, if this was like the Survivor Nicaragua era, they would have made a really big deal

over the fact that the gingerbread man only has one leg. I think that this would have been. Bianca would have thrown you into the fire to fully bake it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't have to dig as far back as Survivor Nicaragua, but again, as Mike often notes, all of my Survivor references are stuck in the 20s and 30s. So I can't really...

Even though I just binged all of the 40s, I couldn't really tell you what happened. So let's talk about this experience. Probably the akin of going ham on a bag of cookies. Josh, of course, you spend some time away from Survivor. Didn't really check out a lot in the new era, but you kind of cracked it open wide, starting with exploring Survivor 46.

You and Rob did a podcast for the We Know Scripted TV side of things over the summer, and you've blitzed through it all for those that you know are the uninitiated haven't checked any of that out so i'm intrigued here for you before we even get into 47 proper what are your thoughts about the new era as obviously a dynamo survivor fam from back during the outback someone that was affiliated so closely with the show for so long what do you think about the direction things are going in now yeah i was trying to think of uh is there a continued cookie metaphor in here uh like my experience of of watching uh the new era of survivor wasn't like some sort of midnight cookie binge uh you know because i think on the other side of like,

if I just like opened up a huge box of cookies and ate every single last one at midnight, I'd wake up the next morning, not wanting cookies for a long time. I think as we, as we are starting to approach spooky season, it's perhaps a better example to say that it was like having the leftover Halloween candy. It's like I went trick-or-treating,

which I still do as a 39-year-old adult, just on my own, just to get whatever errant Kit Kats and peanut butter cups I can collect. And so I collected those. Which are probably thrown at your feet when they're like, get away from us

you strange man. I collected those. I thought you were stealing from children. No, no, no, no, no, no. Strongly implying that they should give me their candy, but not stealing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And so, no, it's not stealing.

Are you just grabbing fistfuls of Halloween candy and putting them in your back and hoping no one notices going and leaving and eating the candy at a certain time and so it's like these new era seasons of Survivor were like I think what I wound up with I'm trying to think of what I

probably got I definitely got some Reese's I got a Snickers for sure got some fun's. I got a Snickers for sure. Got some like fun sized airheads, which I really like, but I don't think that everybody does. Survivor 43, the airheads. Is that what you're saying? Maybe because I really loved my airheads that I got this year.

I really, really did so like there was maybe one that was like a little bit closer to like uh like a little bit of a the twizzler thing i'm not a huge twizzler guy but i'll eat it for sure so twizzler was probably about as bad as it got in my halloween bag collection this year if we are comparing that to the survivor new era seasons uh if the worst that we got was like a little red licorice in the mix and like it was a pretty good haul i'm pretty happy about it and i ate it over the course of like a couple of days so i didn't just stay up all night eating all of my halloween treasure and so i didn't feel sick of it. And in fact, I'm feeling very excited to just now eat candy at a moderate weekly pace. That's how I'm going to do this moving forward.

It's just like one fun size treat a week. Very thrilled to have that on the menu. We love balance. I could probably talk more about candy than I can about like survivor and vivid detail anymore. So I hope that I'm on the right podcast. Would it help if we come up with some sort of mnemonic? If you don't remember a certain cast away of like, Oh,

so-and-so is the almond joy. And then that's how you're going to remember who they are. That's maybe interesting. But also I think probably would take a while and it would just be a lot of being like, who's that again? Well, we shall talk about sweet Caroline as well as the other sweets on this

Island. So again, Liana, after, are you both doing though, Liana, I don't get to talk to you as much as I talk to Mike. Liana, you're good. I am. Thank you so much. I'm currently doing a bit where I wear the same t-shirt in every episode. So that's how my life is. Oh, wow. That's a good bit. So what's the status after two? I'm currently doing a bit where I wear the same t-shirt in every episode so that's how my life is going

that's a good bit so what's the status after two oh and also by the way Angela threw out mine she said it was too far gone it's too ragged it's beyond reproach

it needs to be tossed into the furnace no it's a photo of Jeff with a little stetson on yeah so we so we got this we found this as part of one of our games last season on etsy leon and i each bought it at the end of last season i wore it and watched it a good amount of times over the summer and basically it came out as like a photo negative version of jeff or like the one where his enemies like carve out his eyes and so it was just looking beyond death

and so Liana said she'd wear the same t-shirt and wash it every single time to sort of get a time lapse as to how much wear and tear it accrues versus apparently whatever the hell my washing machine did to my version may or may not be yeah Liana can I see him

one more time? Of course, of course. I just, I feel like, I think, like, I feel like him and I are, like, wearing, like, the same shirt. Like, we're both wearing, like, a comfortable, like, brown sort of, like... Yeah, well, he's got the branding, though. Yeah, that's true. That's supposed to be

the Survivor logo. Does he have, uh, it, does he have a, is that like a, like a pocket square? No, I'm pretty sure it's the, it's the Borneo logo. Cause I'm pretty sure this was a promo shop.

It's a survivor Island, but it looks like a pocket square from a distance. Okay. Great idea for a pocket square. It does look like a pocket square. It's got the straight line on the bottom. Well, that's a, that's's a crime what Angela did to you, Mike, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry

for what happened to you. It's fine. Yeah. It's just an excuse to buy another one. Oh, God. To answer your question, Josh, how I'm doing, this is how I'm doing. I think that it seems like you're doing great. This is so nice. Thank you. I'm using this shirt. It seems like you're doing great. It seems like you're doing great. This is so nice.

Thank you. I'm using this shirt. It's like a good, solid five minutes of content on every B&B. Like, I'm really, really working it. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's always good to have drops.

If I didn't say this before, I always thought of the Survivor B&B as like the Gallagher corner of the RHAP universe. Just like busting watermelons so leona's shirt is a poncho to make sure she's not covered in watermelon to try should rome have props i feel like rome is very close i feel like rome does have props he has a whole ass well to play with oh my gosh that shot of him with his face like face down in the well from afar, ass up, that they showed last week's episode. They showed in the preview or like the beginning of this week's episode. If they can figure out a way to show that in every single episode, that would make me so happy. Whenever that shot comes up, it makes me laugh so hard.

I've saved a copy to my desktop because it's amazing. Roman the Well is the new Jelinski. It's going to get referenced in every single episode. Oh, I like that. Is Survivor 49's logo going to be like a well? A man in a well? A man in a well? They've shown the guy drowning in 41. Now the guy's just in a well.

This poor man. That's a good idea. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I don't know if we're getting a swap, when we're getting a swap, etc. If we are, I don't know if this Red Tribe is losing and I would not going to lie. Like, I don't know if we're getting a swap, when we're getting a swap, et cetera. If we are, I don't know if this red tribe's losing. And I would not be surprised if like this tribe is just Rome and everyone else reacting to Rome.

Because that's kind of what the edit has been so far. And I don't know if Rome is realizing that, but it seems like he is to the fact that he just seems to be occupying every single minute of the 24 hour period with just all the malarkey he's doing yeah it's a good amount of malarkey yeah i love the the segment the montage of him talking about all of the things that he could do or would have done right like him and something about him and the NBA or being a DJ and then of course obviously he wants to be the host of on fire with Jeff Probst which was so funny especially given the

fact Mike that you and Rob talked about that so much who would be the one from this season given the fact that so many of them yeah exactly there's so many options Rome we see throwing his hat in the ring that was just so Asia rolls her eyes right at that or she just gives like she gives face of just like it's the meme right of like he doesn't even know I'm not a huge edit reader certainly not anymore but

my hope is that that was like survivors way of being like come on guys obviously Asia's gonna be the one you know let's be let's be honest here yeah assuming John Lovett's not available well look if Rome can't get a spot on

on fire then perhaps Mike we can offer him a guest spot on down the hatch oh well we know down the well where he likes to go well yeah I think we're going to be talking about season six of Lost and not to spoil things too much, but one person does kind of roam it

up there. What are you going to tell her? Would she ask what you did to get the immunity idol? Look, I'm really enjoying it. I really loved the whole segment of, okay, Rome's got the box. Rome tells Teenie about the box

teeny tells who does she tell about the box about the box they go find the box Rome comes up on them finding the box oh my gosh the whole thing was just sloppy ass work I love it I love it I mean that this was like the best

you know Brenda Meeks and scary movie equivalent right where you're watching like, don't go in there. No, he's right there. Stop, turn around, T.D. He's right there. Yeah. Yeah. That was, I mean, like, I guess like,

I guess you kind of wonder, like, how does that not happen more often on the show? Like even like Baby Andy's Day Out, where like he like, you know know he's no longer being supervised by sam so he bolts off and he in that time is able to find the beware advantage and get back like how did you have the time to do that the way you all like talk about like oh well now is my time to search it's a big ass jungle yeah be like gone for five minutes like going to like the outskirts of camp and surveying like a crate yeah how do how do people like get away with that as often as they do on this show

so i'm surprised that more uh teenies aren't getting approached by the roams of the world well i think it's also because i mean you mentioned andy but outside of these two times i can't really think of many times when like the idol was on display as if it belonged in a museum where it's like oh let's go look at this person's idol i guess we've experienced that in the form of like dumping out someone's bag to look for their idol but this is a very rare case where like because the box is such a gargantuan thing you have to leave it in the jungle and so now it creates this really fun obstacle of like all right let's go see the box now uh because rome obviously can't bring it back to camp but as a result rome is going to come across these looky loos just outright staring

into the box and yeah i mean i know teeny says that they profess themselves a social butterfly and able to talk their way out of anything, but it is a deep, deep well to dig yourself out of when not only are you caught looking at the box, you're caught looking at the box with someone who Rome did not personally tell about the box and trying

to spin it as like, no, I shared your personal information because I want to work with them as well. That was okay, right? Yeah, it's a bit awkward. I mean, I understand the pivot, right? You have to try to pivot in that moment. What do you do?

But especially seeing Rome's reaction to being like, well, I haven't even read it yet. Like not only are you showing it to someone else, but you're even reading the box before I even got a chance to read the box. So he just sort of like grumpily takes the one idol. Like, oh, I'm taking this. You can't vote me out.

I'm going to be in the NBA. Yeah. You know, and then kind of like walks away. And that's interesting too, that the same thing happened with Sam and that the more public the idol was, the quicker that these people had to be like okay i guess i'll just take this and use it immediately so that the target is off my back i wonder if the producers

wanted that to happen or not probably the right thing to be doing though oh yeah i would say like if like if enough p if there's if there's this much heat on it like don't just keep pushing it like just get it into the version where it's only going to be good the one time so you walk into your very first tribal council ever for some of these people i guess not for sam um but for for rome with the confidence of i'm not going home so let me see what i can learn so if i'm on the wrong side of the vote and i get blindsided it's a learning lesson. It's not it's not my own, you know, funeral.

This is just I'm learning the ropes with a little bit of safety here. So although I guess like they're like someone could knowledge is power him. Right. And just grab that because all sorts of all sorts of tricks now. Huh. All sorts of tricks that might not be yeah back in my day there weren't as many tricks more treats than tricks there you go exactly i i did love also the sequence of sam finding the idol not only because of poor baby andy like how many people talked in the pre-season right of oh i'm gonna let other people find the beware advantage like i'm not gonna pick it up immediately and it just so happens that he makes this decision and in you

know the half hour period that he was probably not having his mind spin into a paranoid frenzy the uh beware advantage ends up getting found but i also loved whether intentional or not the bachelor-esque aspect of sam and i guess we'll talk about this more next week of him to have like one-on-one time with each one of the girls where he ends up finding the beware advantage alongside annika and then maybe because he assumed that Annika told Rachel, he's like, oh, Rachel, you help me untie all the knots so then I can get the key. And then he actually pulls his number one Sierra aside and says, okay, we're going to find the idol together.

It's super sly. And again, I think it was a very fun way to either intentionally or unintentionally get basically everybody but the person who found the beware advantage in the first place in with the knowledge of who found the beware advantage in the first place in with the knowledge of who found the beware advantage this was a really fun overall segment like the whole series of events to me was super entertaining the fact that you had sam essentially yeah take every single person out on a date to have one it was like you know that you have in

those dating shows right it's like okay over the course of the day, we're going to go to coffee and breakfast. Then we're going to go ice skating and you take someone different on each one of those dates. That was how it felt going through this whole segment. But to me, the most interesting part was at the very end when he actually gets the idol with Sierra, his true number one, end when he actually gets the idol with Sierra his true number one and essentially strong arms her into being like yeah so we're working with Andy which to me it's very much like you know she's not gonna say no because of the implication like I have an idol you know what I mean like I have the power here and also like oh you owe me so much because not only do I have an idol I I let you find this idol alongside me.

Like, well, now that I've done all this for you, I just have one quick favor to ask. Can you allow me to play the idol on Andy and we work with him in the near future? Yeah. And I mean, if she says no, obviously the answer is no, but she's not going to say no because I have an idol. Like it was the way that he did it, too. Once he already had the idol in his hands that was like yeah so this is what i want to do what is she supposed to do in that situation right you have because even if okay she goes back with the women that's three and then the two men they still have the idol so they can still do something with it she like what is she supposed

to say in that moment she absolutely has to say yes. I believe it's the old Ghostbusters rules. If someone asks if you are a god, you say yes. If someone asks if you are part of my plans with baby Andy, while the person who is asking has a hidden immunity idol, you say yes. Maybe Saul isn't a cookie. Maybe he's the stay puffed marshmallow man. Oh man.

Marshmallows could be incorporated into cookies. Oh, definitely. Love a good Malamar. Yeah, you can do a Malamar. You could have like those little chunks of marshmallows studded into the cookie. Like a little like, what do they call them? It's like a concrete or something like that.

Concrete? I try not to eat concrete it's not like the actual concrete but they call it concrete because you think it's just like coat your insides at death yeah i was gonna say like that's probably not the most appetizing i would say generally if you're a you're a baker out there don't name any of your scrumptious dishes out of anything you use in construction like i don't want to eat anything that's called void shake shack all the concretes like shake shack like calls they're like they're super thick shakes concretes and like there's a lot there there's a lot in that that i'm not particularly interested in unpacking right now but you can feel it if i'm going based on name though i'm gonna pick a blizzard over a concrete

yeah right like just sound wise i would rather go i'd rather go blizzard i would also want something that's like affiliated with like oh i want something cold i mean concrete i guess can be cold but more so the cold reality of my face hitting it then yeah the cold reality of i just drank concrete i don't think i have much longer to live you know just wait till it sets yeah uh so i i move anywhere i want to go i'm quite heavy i sink in the pool now um okay so i want to go back though to the idea of the idols? Because you have, we've talked about this a little bit in the premiere, but the Russian nesting doll idols, right? You have the one, the three, and then the full idol. And I think it's so interesting that we saw no one go for the full idol. Gabe was the closest, right? He has it now

for three tribal councils, but plays it immediately, right? so even the person who had it potentially could have gone for longer only has it or you know use it essentially the first time and then the two other idols have to be played in the very first tribal council that they attend they really are making up for lost time with survivor 46 yes exactly and that's what's so funny is to see this reaction to just being like nope or almost the the buildup also of the beware advantages or, you know, just all these other advantages that have gotten people in hot water. You can totally see the payoff in this cast of them just being like, get it out, get it out. I don't want it. Like Gabe, as soon as that heat comes on him and tribal council where everybody's like, Oh, Gabe, you've been out there looking for

idols. You know, you're out there. He's like, OK, I'm done. Like, toss it, throw it, get it away. I don't want this anymore. I think that's so fascinating. And I'm really curious to see if there are effects throughout this season as a result of this whole I don't want to get it out of my hands. Not only that, but the insistence of people who always say going into the season, if I find something, I'm not telling anyone about it and i'm pretty sure the running tally right now in terms of idols was that as we mentioned on the

yellow tribe gata everyone but andy knows that sam has the idol over on lavo the red tribe teeny and kishan both know that rome has the idol and everyone else pretty much assumes he has the idol and then over on Tuku Gabe holds Sue and Caroline and I mean TK told me in his exit interview that pretty much everyone assumed he had an idol which is one of the reasons why they they brought up that stuff at tribal council was also to try to spook him into playing the idol so again it's uh whether it's them sort of realizing in the moment that they want to bring people in with this information or just coincidences or the fact that, you know, these people are the least subtle in their idol finds. It winds up being that basically everyone in the season, with maybe the exception of Andy, knows someone who has an idol. And at least Andy knows that it's gone, that someone has.

You know, so he at least knows that. But it's so tough, right? When you have this big ass box and also you have to do 10,000 things to get it. You have to go stick your head in the well. You got to pour water on a log. You got to, you know, like what, what did say untie a thousand knots around a tree? It's just so many things. The likelihood of you getting caught is so much

higher than just, oh, I have to go find this thing, put it in my pocket and that's it. Right. Yeah. There is especially I just I keep going back to the box falling down the hill. That to me is so funny from the premiere. The idea that he's got this just massive thing that you have to contend with, it, of of course is going to increase the likelihood that someone is going to find you or hear you or suspect that you're finding something because you have to be gone for so long in order to uncover even just the first level of the idol yeah it has like um it has the energy of like uh you know like you were like playing a video game at a friend's house or something it was like a like a like a stealth game like a like a game that required like some level of finesse

and like you're at your friend's house and your friend's like really good at like sneaking around at the game and like i want to play and then like you grab like you grab the controller and immediately just like drop the box or whatever thing. And like enemy security alerts are just like blaring and blaring. It's like, I shouldn't be playing this game. Like that's sort of like what like the like the idle chicanery this season like feels like to me where it's like, if you can, if you can make this gigantic box disappear, then you are very good at survivor on hard mode.

Congratulations. Now the question is, obviously obviously i think an idol is going to be re-hidden on toku on the blue tribe do we think there's still going to be a bit of a rigmarole to get the aisle because i remember last season in the post-merge at least when venus found the idol and q found the idol like that was it there wasn't any sort of hop skip and a jump secret task that they had to do but i wonder if when it's still in the pre-merge you still have to accomplish the laundry list to get the idol anyway i would love the idea if it's at least the last part of the box

you know because game never had to do the very very last part so they could just pick up where you left off yeah exactly oh great you found it it's already good for three but now do you want to go for you know for the full thing something like that i would love that as an option i do think that there's probably going to be something associated with it especially fact the fact that it's so early i think that production would want more rigmarole in terms of getting the idol and the fact also that on two of the other tribes they didn't go for it meaning that essentially what four of the idol hunt pieces were just never attempted potentially they can repurpose some of that stuff on on tuku or just use it

for survivor 48 true true well we gotta talk about tk here all things tk because i it's weird to say like i was thrilled about this but i think with the new era and i think the three tribe formats specifically i think a lot of us go into some of these seasons being like okay if there's one type of player that is almost always going to make the merge it's the big strong guy because these challenges there's only six people participating you need as much strength as you can get so i get happily surprised when my predictions get you know a little turned upside down as we'll get into later on and so for various reasons i was surprised to see the fall of tk here josh give me your thoughts on the lot of TK

bro bro bro I know I was I was sad I was sad to lose TK I thought TK was like a great flavor for the season like I think he was a really fun

character while we had him and I think he was a really fun character while we had him. And I also really was excited at the prospect of Asia being able to come for revenge at some point down the line. That will no longer be possible, at least

on the season. But who knows what kind of rivalries could occur on the internet i have no idea i'm not paying that close of attention uh but i thought that he was cool i thought he was fun um and like man he must have said bro uh you know so many times that everyone was just like i can't i literally cannot do this anymore bro i can't i can't no wonder people assumed that there was a guy's alliance he kept saying bro every fifth word the bros exactly i know come on in bro look i think for me what is almost there's there's something satisfying about the fact that at the end of the day survivor is a

social game right and you can be the biggest strongest person but you have to have some semblance of a social game and not annoy people and so it's just nice to be reminded of that where tk was someone whom look i thought it could have gone a few different ways for him right a big strong guy seems to be pretty charismatic, at least in the interview with Mike. Like I, you know, you kind of vibe there. But also there's a few little red flags. Who would have thought the Caleb comment about Kayla being too demure? Was the writing? Yeah, the writing on the wall. Right.

And so for TK to come out of the gate so intense, but also so intense in ways that didn't really seem game related at all. Right. The whole losing saga of, oh, you can't be happy about losing or, you know, whatever his whole. Yeah, I'm the leader of this tribe. And so they're going to be on my tribe. They need to have the same motto about losing that I do. Right. Exactly. His root beer is fire take. Also very interesting. You know, there's just so many things about- Root beer is fire.

Do we have a strong feeling here in the B&B? Well, root beer does represent your life. Root beer and beer. Yes. Well, you know, if you can't have alcohol, you get root beer instead, right? Is that what Will got? Soda, I think. Instead of a fire making challenge, should there be a tap and you have to

fill up as many mugs of root beer as possible within a certain time frame oh without and without like over foaming yeah exactly good luck yeah that's a tough i think that's harder than fire making yeah that's hard that's hard i'm actually like what do you do to prepare for the season well i uh went down to my parents rumpus room and i just started filling up taps i know that root beer challenge is coming up my parents rumpus room like okay i've heard that term before mike so like i know it's a thing yeah but you know it does sound a little bit sus given the fact that what is the rumpus room rumpus room is the basement right like the basement it's like the hangout room for the kids like when the parents

are all right that's i have yeah it's basically like a part of the basement that's like specifically reserved for recreation uh-huh can i ask a question why is it called? Why is it called that? Why is it called a rumpus room? You're rumping around, you know, you have a good rump or two. What does that even mean? What is it to rump around? To rump. Rumpus means a noisy disturbance or a commotion. What's all the rumpus?

Mm hmm. So we remember the breakfast club. So this is the room where the commotion is allowed. You can rump and rump around in here, but do not bring that rumpus outside. The B&B is really the rumpus room of RHAP. I think that sounds right. It really is.

Can I tell you a secret about RHAP though? Most of the rooms are rumpus rooms. Yeah, it's the astronaut meme, right? It's all rumpus room always has been like we're all the spider-men pointing at each other uh we're all rumpus rooms yeah yeah i don't even remember what we're talking about we all rump down here uh yeah there was the mike said something about a rumpus room and and then had other like cogent thoughts and i couldn't i couldn't latch on to any of them rumpus room is probably had other cogent thoughts and I couldn't latch on to any of them. Rumpus room is probably

one of the top three whitest things I've ever said on a podcast as well. Rumpus rooms is like a very suburban reference. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a player on Survivor yet named Rumpus. Well, we just got our first Sam, so I think

Rumpus is going to be a little while. Is there anybody named Rumpus? Is Rumpus a name? There's Rumpus is going to be a little while yeah yeah is there anybody named Rumpus is Rumpus a name there's Rumpus hey Josh I just came up with two non-existent I was gonna google can you name your kid Rumpus and the

first autofills are can you name your kid Lucifer can you name your kid a curse word and can you name your kid Hitler I? Can you name your kid a curse word? And can you name your kid Hitler? I mean, you probably like. The answer to all this is yes. I imagine the answer is you can. Should you?

Maybe not. Should you? Yeah, should you, right? Should you is different. Okay, well, Mike. Should you is different. I think Asher wants a sibling. Oh, wow.

Their name is Rumpus Bloom. Yeah. Rumpus Bloom is a great, great character. Rumpus Bloom sounds like the name of some sort of like, I don't know. Rumpus Bloom just sounds like you when you go out and play detective, though. Yeah.

Rumpus Bloom sounds like Mike, like, film noir, 1940s, white tuxedo with the Tommy Gunn vibe. Rumpus Bloom, man. No dry martinis for me. I'm on the clock tonight. Rumpus Bloom has painted the town red. Wow. Okay, great.

All right, well, note that down for the future, Mike. We just went full room. Yeah. Full room. Full room. There we go uh but i also say i remember where the wild things are i think they talk about the wild rumpus well where the wild things are is with this vote uh you know between like again to your point leon

i feel like this is something that on paper we kind of always want to see that there's like the popular kids click and then sort of the underdogs join together and overthrow it and they pull it off here where gabe works with sue and caroline behind the backs of these other three and then they're able to pull in tiana who is like from our perspective freshly steamed about everything that happened with tk from what tk was alluding to in my interview with him it seemed like him and tiana never exactly had a one-on-one relationship that actually to try to keep the mystique of their three-person alliance a secret kyle was usually the intermediary there uh and unfortunately that also leaves poor k Kyle left out of the vote. All he can do is look on and say, no, no.

I loved it. It was so good. The tears were so delicious. Kyle's big. TK, bro. Wake up, TK. I very much felt like Simba. Wow.

Yeah. TK, are you sleeping? Wake up. Wake up, TK. he doesn't have his glasses he doesn't have his glasses oh my gosh poor Kyle I mean like Kyle really

it really was like someone like took his puppy away like it was just like oh man poor Kyle poor sweet Kyle what did Kyle say earlier in the episode like it's about time a good guy finally won this thing it's like ah

sweet baby Kyle well there's even like there's a secret scene where Kyle hasn't eaten meat for eight years he says I haven't harmed anything with a heartbeat and he starts eating crab and Gabe asks him like how do you feel he says i haven't harmed anything with a heartbeat and he starts eating crab and gabe asked him like how do you feel he says like i've done something wrong like this man is one of the most pure-hearted individuals i think i've ever experienced in my life

kyle doesn't like to harm things with heartbeats you're on the wrong show kyle except for saul saul's a cookie person he doesn't have a heartbeat things with heartbeats. You're on the wrong show, Kyle. Except for Saul. Saul's a cookie person. He doesn't have a heartbeat. So there you go, Kyle. That's your target. Wow. Sweet Kyle is just sitting there being like, oh, no. Sweet. Sweet butterscotch Kyle.

I mean, Kyle is kind of like the butters. Yeah. I don't know, TJ. I of like the butters. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. This is probably not going to work out for us. So well, I'm going to be grounded.

Oh, gosh, that's so great. Now. Now all I want to do is cast the whole season. Obviously, it's help. that's so great now now all i want to do is cast the whole season obviously as help something gabe cartman somehow yeah what do you think of gabe josh someone who's i'm just observing that kyle is butters but not kyle no yeah exactly someone else is gonna be kyle yeah he talked a big game obviously in the first episode uh you know him saying like oh if i go to the end with caroline and sue game over but

i gotta give him credit at least what the editor is personifying that he was the one that seemed to be able to help pull tiana over yes he does use the idol here but i think he was facing a possible three three tie at the tribe's first tribal council better safe than sorry quite literally yeah I thought that when TK caught Gabe doing idle hunts in the first episode and Gabe's like oh yeah no I must have just like

stumbled upon step two was so funny to me and one of those moments where I felt like I didn't like care about the gameplay of Survivor anymore and that I was just in it for the vibes again. But in that moment, I was like, Gabe, no!

What are you doing, Gabe? No! You gotta figure out a better lie than this! Gabe! So I was unimpressed with Gabe in the first episode. Obviously impressed enough that he's on the right side of it here. Is it not sue who's the one who's like really strongly being like f it we'll go to rocks like you know like well which

also helps for her considering that she would be safe in the case of rocks like sure we need that three three time yes i might be safe from it but that's a sacrifice i'm willing to make he did a good job of like hopping on that plan like the the plan of like, well, we could say that we'll force. Yes, let's do that. We'll force her to rocks. And then doesn't she go to Tiana and is like, I got to tell you what's going to happen here. Rocks. So I thought Sue was actually kind of impressive in this episode. Yeah. And I think that Sue also is the one that brings caroline on board when she's initially hesitant about the game she's so sketched out about gabe you sketch out about gabe so it's

yeah the the perception and the narrative around gabe is super fascinating to me because i think in a very simplistic way you can look at it as okay he you know he found the idol he played the idol he pulled together this group he got out tk but at the same time there's a lot of these undertones of oh oh like it makes me nervous when i have this sort of gut reaction so for example the comment about i go to the end with sue and caroline and i win nah bro like i don't think that's happening also the way that you know about that i don't know about that the way he talks about to and Caroline also is a little bit hmm red flaggy to me in

terms of like these are dead birds and I'm dragging them to the end whatever it was that he said they're baby birds not dead birds I'm gonna drag dead birds to the end thinking about Mufasa still so you know they're all they just not a drag that

he dead birds anywhere i don't know i don't know what happened to zazu mufasa was like all right well we're gonna eat the antelopes which ate the grass but don't eat the dead birds they've been dead well that's what kishan said right like oh kishan give us your sage medical wisdom last episode like you should probably not eat the dead bird okay thank you kishan thanks dr do little light touches is our kingdom but if the carcass has just been in the light too long don't eat it okay so fine no touching dead birds so he'll drag the wounded baby bird the wounded baby birds to the end so to me i think that that Gabe is being set up to be this big character who's ultimately going to fail in the end, maybe a kind of villainy edit. I'm not a hundred percent

sure, but that's like the energy that I'm getting. And I'm, it does seem like complicated social dynamics over there of who is actually pulling the strings, who is actually the one who's able to get these things done. And I think like Josh mentioned, Sue to me feels really at the center of all of that. Now, is that just a sort of one vote situation because of the whole, oh, yeah, sure. But rocks, you know, go to rock. Yeah, sure. For sure. You know, like, let's do that. Will this continue? And how will this manifest if there is a swap or, you know, if they get to merge or something like that? I'm very curious to see how it's going to go. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I know that Jon got a lot of comparisons to King George

last week from Australian Survivor, but I honestly feel like Gabe reminds me more of George. I feel like this move of like, find the idol, kind of like brusquely strong arm your way into this alliance of the underdogs and be able to bring someone over to get your way in the end while also playing your idol perhaps ineffectively textbook george for me and we know with george it did not necessarily result in victory either times now look maybe there's a third time that could get him that victory but

i i agree that gabe is definitely being set up to be this big player and you know it's interesting because i think that at least initially yesterday the last episode him and rome seem like two sides of the same coin for me seems different now and that gabe again was able to pull off something strategically whereas rome i think is still kind of being personified as like, you know, a little delusional. Nobody he doesn't necessarily know that people are kind of laughing at him. Rome lost himself down the well. Like the Rome that went down the well is not the same as the Rome that came back. Yeah. I mean, listen, I mentioned another David Lindelof show, Josh. Could there be a version of Rome that's down there?

You just have to go down there to find that version of him. Yeah, I think so. I think so. The real Rome is's down there. You just have to go down there to find that version of him. Yeah, I think so. I think so. The real Rome is trapped down there. I also went back to check in the preseason interviews. Gabe is the one also that talked about Russell Hance was a very loyal player. Like that was his hot take. So it's so funny

to see the hot take. Baby. Yeah. I mean, yes, if you look at it, it's basically that it's that russell was loyal he was loyal to the people that he thought he could be it's like one of those like this is accurate but not like this is like factually accurate but like the vibe is not as yes exactly yes exactly yeah exactly and that's so funny because you know you compare maybe the dumbass girls alliance to the baby bird alliance right are there some similarities are we gonna see more parallels

i got these dead birds okay why i don't even like that little dead bird okay but i can actually see russell doing them like why do i see him holding a dead bird in his hand i can envision it well because you've seen how many seasons of Russell on reality TV. Yeah, exactly. And his YouTube channel. So, yeah, I don't remember what I was saying. Yes, parallels between Russell and Gabe. So the Gabe character, fascinating to me.

I'm so, so, so interested in Gabe. And I love the distinction also between Rome. I think that Rome now is also going in an opposite direction. So we're seeing these things diverge and there's going to be interesting and different narratives. All right, well, let's start talking about our narratives on TK. We mentioned the preseason a bunch. And yeah, I really do feel like the version of TK

we saw on the island was a little different than the one that I talked to. Maybe it was just the hangar. Maybe it was the tribe that he was on. I mean, I think as surprised as we are on the surface that two who got rid of maybe their physically strongest person, they are a pretty stacked tribe on paper that maybe they felt like they could basically,

that's what he told me basically was like, if I was on Labu or Gata, I would be indispensable and they wouldn't need to get rid of me as opposed to there's plenty of athletes to go around on tuku and so they felt like they they had many to spare so all that being said liana how did you think tk was gonna do in the preseason so i did have him pre-jury oh yeah yeah this is i'm actually was really interested reading this back it's like okay i could see it so here's what i said about tk i said that his strength served him well in the early game as it helped lead the tuku tribe to many victories lifting and pushing heavy things was his specialty however tk struggled in the elements lack of sleep

bugs other nasty stuff leading to a lack of social connections outside of kyle when tuku loses immunity because of a tricky puzzle gabe and sue decide that it's t that tk's strength isn't needed anymore tk was the last pre-merge boot like before the fake merge situation that was right yeah exactly you're sixth or something like that um i said that his ally was kyle and his enemies were sue and gabe okay interesting oh probably made even more interesting by the fact that i also had tk going pre-jurassic oh my god i did have him going a little bit further uh we'll get into that i mean listen we want to pack some surprises and it can't just be oh wait do i have to vote on which of you had the better prediction yes right right right well what are your details

behind it mike did you write anything down oh i did and how i said for tk acting upon his belief that caleb needs to be more assertive he volunteers for the first journey earning supplies for his tribe and immediately being labeled the mvp tg's vocal prominence and challenges gives him the perception of a tribe leader but the truth is it's much more of a team effort as he works alongside Kyle, Sue, and Tiana to sit in a comfortable majority. At the swap, TK quickly bros down with Rome, which unnerves some of the women in the tribe about a possibility of a guy's alliance. As a result, at the split tribal council,

so this is like the week after Mergatory, they split into two groups of six. This is where Tim was voted off last season, so it's technically pre-jury. TK confidently thinks he has his two coup allies and new bromances protecting him like an offensive line, but he's brought down from behind when Sue feels he's too dangerous

to let into the individual game, tackling him before the jury line of scrimmage. His closest ally was Tiana, and his enemy was Sue. Well, I like the, like the additional details in here that Sue is going to be the mastermind of the season. Cause I, I would like to live in that world. She said she wanted to be the female Tony preseason, Josh. Love that. Liana, did you have, I may have missed this,

like how he goes out in your predictions? Well, he gets voted out. Right. No. So essentially he, it's like right at the end of the pre-merge phase. So the strength and the tribe isn't needed anymore. And because he just wasn't the most connected,

they decided to get rid of him. Okay. Essentially that energy. The thing is, is that like like you're both right that he's pre-merge uh i think that the reasons for why he's voted out are wrong for both uh but like mike you kind of like fully clocked that he was going to be the guy who goes on the journey at the start and get the the tribe supplies he didn't volunteer

though he drew the the rock or rock paper scissors or something right yeah but he threw no but it was supposed to be that they threw rock or scissors and he threw paper oh right right right um okay then for my point uh you two have to do rock paper scissors right now okay and the winner will get my rock paper scissors go like I'll show you the cadence right now you ready so hands down

here's the cadence rock paper scissors shoot yeah okay okay okay all right yes okay rock paper all right Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Yes. Okay. Rock, paper. All right, guys. Are you calling or are we calling?

Yeah, wait, Josh, can you count for us? We're really bad at this. Yeah, here we go. All right, here we go. Yes. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, okay. Little rock, nothing beats that. Ugh, okay, fine. Also, now I I feel now I know what it feels like

when Maria did that last season oh that was so stressful rock crushes scissors sorry I apologize much like Kyle was crushed I know you are the ones who bring the games but I one moment only was the captain.

Now. No. How was that? Poor scissors. All right. All right. Pieces. Like this.

Oh my gosh. Wait. Okay. Speaking of sharp objects, can we talk about the immunity challenge very quickly? Because a few things. One, I was convinced that they were going to cut their own fingers off when andy and

saul and they're just like like going full serial killer mode on the back of rice then rachel obsessed with the fact that she put rice in her pocket i turned to puy when we were watching it said the exact same thing i was like oh she should put it in her pocket sure enough she puts it in her pocket and then she gets called out for it i was so upset i thought she should have gotten away with it okay yeah so let's let's talk about this because josh you have now sort of re-experienced jeff in the new era and even sort of re-experienced the new wave of jeff right he's trying to bring back spicy jeff in the past couple of seasons is this spicy jeff or is this like dad jeff in this particular instance yeah uh i think it's a it's a it's a little bit of both i so first of

all there's no version of jeff that isn't dad jeff uh is perhaps my take so every version of jeff from now on is dad jeff um i think it was i think it was it was spicy in a way uh like i mean like if if it was her like grabbing an idol or like an official thing in the game obviously he never would have said anything um but they've got a million cameras out there like there's there's no like there's a very very few opportunities for anyone to get away with something like this and not have it be like picked up on film uh and on i'm of i'm of two minds mind one is like let them play and like if she's gonna grab a scoop full of rice and pocket

it and bring it back let her do it let her play but the other piece of this is like in Survivor you take risks and sometimes your risks are discovered often by other players but there's nothing in the rule book that doesn't say that

probes can't call you out if he saw you grab a fistful of rice especially when like the whole thing right now is like you get no food because the show only lasts for 26 days and we gotta show them bones so you're not allowed to eat anything no fistfulss of rice for you. It would break the new era. They would not be allowed to have any rice bag challenges anymore because people would just be taking fistfuls of carbs back to the beach. So I think Probst

was within his rights to do it, and I thought that he did it in a comical way. I thought that the scene back and forth was like, did you put rice in your pocket? She was like Jeff what are you talking about? Tell me the truth

Oh that's so sad Yeah I love it Great moment I like I don't know if it was spicy Jeff I think it was like cheeky Jeff Cheeky Jeff is a good way to put it I mean listen if I was Jeff Jeff. I think it was like cheeky Jeff. Cheeky Jeff is a good way to put it. You know, I mean,

listen, if I was Jeff, I would have, I would have gone one step further. Oh, uh, I would have gone full trunchbull. I would have said,

oh, you want to, you have rice in your pocket. Okay. Eat it right now. Eat all of it. Eat all the uncooked rice right here, right now. And then you can go home and then we can all, we can all leave right now eat all of it eat all the uncooked rice right here right now and then you can go home and then we can all we can all leave right now i would want to make a big scene out of

it now listen afterwards i think i would then switch out anything that involves any sort of food staple as a challenge prop from then on out but i think if you want to like serve as a lesson to people of like be careful what you wish for. Having Rachel swallow handfuls of uncooked rice might be the way to do it. This isn't just me, right? Like this is terrifying, right? This is,

this is telling us so much. My room is room. A lot about Mike is being revealed right now. This is a big, big, this moment. When birds swallow uncooked rice, huge war drop right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I feel bad for Asher and your future child, Rumpus. Like this is... Rumpus is stealing some of my rice. It won't be so much of a Rumpus anymore. I'll say that.

You're going to discard your unborn child? No, I'm just going to have him eat handfuls of dried confectionaries this is how the birds died they ate the uncooked rice you guys it's coming full circle yeah is that right rachel's like no i'm saving the birds i'm bringing back the rice so they're not gonna peck and eat it exactly i'm i hear earlier point leona i'm very surprised they gave him a knife i mean I guess they're giving them like a machete to deal with on a daily basis. That's fairly dull compared to I'm assuming the sharpness of that knife. Has anyone cut it with like horror movie music yet?

Like, oh, they should. Is there an Annika Michael Myers edit? And he was giving toxic clingy boyfriend before. So it's really a single white female. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, that was the thing was it wasn't a lot maybe the knife wasn't that sharp because it was a lot of stabbing not a lot of cutting right like i would imagine that the ideal way to cut a bag of rice open is stab slice yeah dump you know what i mean it looked like kyle was

doing that and maybe it's just that kyle has like more experience kind of living off the land with that knife work more so than like like i imagine kyle might know how to like dress you know it doesn't mean anymore but like how to like hunt something and dress it you know and dress it doesn't need meat what do you think he's as of like eight years ago he can't he can't he can't do it cutting the bag of rice is too much like carving into a turkey he can't he can't he can't do it cutting the bag of rice is too much like carving into a turkey he can't he doesn't have a heartbeat yeah kyle did i thought kyle's technique overall seemed more effective um than the others but i was curious if they gave them okay when you get to the stage this is what you're gonna want to do right because i'm sure they walked them through the challenge and stuff so i'm curious if this was required no i doubt it i'm sure that it's you know like task master adjacent like you just got to get as much watermelon as you can right like

so i think like however you need to do it like you could do it um although maybe they were like you can't like take it off the table or something. I don't know. Like there's definitely going to be like rules baked within that. But I think it could be as simple as just like you run one of those challenges. And like the like the like the adrenaline is coursing through your veins that there's probably so many different times where people have run survivor challenges and like gotten to a certain point where it's like man i could just stab something right now and like this time they actually gave you a murder weapon and like a body resembling bag of sand it's like okay go to town uh never have i wished more that matthew von erfelda had a chance to play again that oh give him a bag of rice. He's going to town. At this point, we got to be able to do like most iconic like knife wielders on Survivor, you would think. Right. Oh, yeah.

I mean, is Jeff on the list considering that he brings a knife? Oh, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you bringing that back up. That's so that was a huge shock to me when in Survivor 46, I believe, is when he says, well, lucky for you, I always carry a knife. And I'm like, OK, was that before or after I left? Because I spent a lot of time next to Jeff. I spent a lot of time next to Jeff, a lot of time next to Jeff.

And like and it makes me wonder just like like what did that knife feel like in the pocket at the time terrifying Jeff is that a knife in your pocket empty your pockets take it out yeah lucky for you I always carry a knife I was like Jeff you do you always have a knife

on you Jeff always that's horrible it makes going through airport security really tough. Gosh. You don't understand. I always carry a knife. That's so scary. Yeah, that's just me. I always carry a knife.

That's crazy. Well, I'd love to see you two take a stab at the game I have provided. Oh, boy. This week. So I'm so glad you brought up Rachel, Liana, because, of course, Rachel tried to be a little sneaky, sneaky and scurry some food away to her tribe.

And would you have it? There have been some players in Survivor's past who have food hidden, in a manner of speaking. This is a game I created called To Serve Ivor. And here's how it works. To serve Ivor. Okay. I am going to give you

a clue of a previous survivor player. That survivor player has the name of a food in their name. Whoa! Oh! That is not where I thought this was going at all. So, for instance, if I were to say...

Oh, no. While Rachel's stolen sample can fill her belly, she can also fill her ears with the music of this Nicaraguan near winner. Your answer would be Chase Rice. Oh, no. Rice, of course, being his last name. Being food, a product of food that you can consume.

So what I can do is... You would be very punitive if someone stole from you. So I'll put this in the private chat. I do have a Wikipedia list of all the survivor contestants. Okay, great. Thank you. There are some clues within the clue as to what season to look for. I'll leave this up to you.

Would you prefer to face off against each other or work together? Liana, what do you want to do? Co-op or do you want to go knife to knife fight? I'm more of a co-op girly myself you all know i i i i loathe competition uh all right it makes me so nervous we're all about teamwork here on why i like watching the competition show so what we're gonna do is again those uh those that can't do watch we all know so i will give again a clue of a person that has a food contained within their name spelling does not count in this case it's just how it sounds you have to figure out oh no who

that person is oh man okay all right let's start with like a pretty easy one here nice warm-up okay this og player was an absolute gas or at least they gave us some this og player oh um uh uh sean bean from game of thrones Game of Thrones? Dirk Bean. Sorry. Dirk Bean is correct. I was like, Bean. Keep Sean Bean away from the knife challenge. Keep Sean Bean away from the knife challenge. Wow. Dirk is another name for a knife, I believe.

Oh, there we go. Yes. Dirk Bean, OG player, was an absolute gas, or at least gave us some. Again, I'm feeling the lack of a list of iconic knife-wielding survivors. We also know that we figured this out last time I had a game around OG Survivor contestants. Liana has the name Dirk Bean living in her mind rent-free.

Yeah, Dirk Bean knew. You're always just like one bad day away from thinking about Dirk Bean. Always. Yeah. And Sean Bean apparently also. That's my secret cap. I'm always thinking about Sean Bean.

One does not simply walk to tribal council. All right. Next up here. For a person who has too many pal-ows, this beefcake is so good, you'll want to give it to your friends by theows, this beefcake is so good, you'll want to give it to your friends by the end. This beefcake is so good, you'll want to give it to your friends by the end.

Mm-hmm. Beefcake. So, like, meat. Yes. Also, it's from Palau, and my head just keeps going to, uh, Bobby John drink hard and I can't get past that. Um, then I go to James Miller, like a Miller light. It's not that either related. It's not drink related. Yeah. So I. What was Ian's last name again?

Beef? No. Rosenberger, right? Ian Beef. Ian Burger. Ian Burger. Rosenberger. That is correct.

Is that right? Ian Beef Rosenberger. We got him. Liana, all Beef Rosenberger. Good job. That's good. Okay. But note those other drink related items also.

Yeah. Bobby John Drink Hard. I've got a lot. He does come back. Yeah. Good job. That's good. Okay, but note those other drink-related items also, Josh. Yeah, Bobby John Drinkard, I've got locked. He does come back. Alright. While Kentucky's not known for this meat, if you hurt your outback, look this up, and you'll be cured.

Oh, um, Keith, um, no, um, Roger? And what's the last name? Roger Bingham? That's correct. Roger Bingham. There you go.

Which is a sentence as well. Wait, so wait, what was the clue for that again? While Kentucky is not known for this meat, if you hurt your outback, look this up and you'll be cured. Like cured meat, cured ham? I had a lot of fun writing these clues. I bet you did, Mike.

I bet you did. All right. Next up, you're doing swimmingly so far. Whether straw, blue, or black, the taste of this older man is out of this world. What? Whether, whether... Straw, blue, or black? whether raw whether straw blue or black the taste of this older man is out of this world technically at this point in time bobby john drinkard is an older man

okay wait let's figure out the the the meat i mean not meat but the food it's not all meat right not all meat it's not all meat there's the vegetarian menu here wait just straw blue and black refer to the food yes so a version of it is a straw berry blueberry blackberry julie berry uh but not an older man. It's not an old man. Dan Berry. That is correct. It is astronaut Dan Berry. Whether straw, blue, or black, the taste of this older man is out of this world.

I didn't just... Oh, out of this world! Like an astronaut. I didn't just eat the strawberries. I grew the strawberries. You nailed it, Josh. That's amazing. Got him. Next up... That. You nailed it, Josh. That's amazing. Got them. Next up. That was like some like serious like connections training. Exactly. I'm just trying to train that

brain for when it comes up. Next up, this player's situation had them all tied up, leaving them in a real pickle. All tied up in a real pickle. Do you think oh um stephanie dill that's correct okay yeah okay so that just that just came to me wow it was a prosthetic that was amazing moment

yes that was amazing you said that you don't remember old school survivor contestants you pull a dirt bean and stephanie dill apparently i remember it if they're food related names firefighter uh she was a firefighter yeah in uh thailand yep and she got real sick yeah she slept outside on thailand i think all right next up it makes sense this finalist wouldn't get any bites considering they're made I feel so good on Thailand, I think. All right. Next up. It makes sense this finalist wouldn't get any bites, considering they're made up of the most feckless pieces of meat. Oh, Mick. Mick, uh, Mick, uh, Trimming. Mick Trimming is correct.

Mick Trimming. Which sounds like actually a Grey's Anatomy nickname, the more you say it. Mick Trimming. Mick Trimming. Oh! Mick Dreamy, Mick Stevie, Mick Trimming McTrimming. McTrimming. Oh. McTrimming, McSteamy, McTrimming. Wow, that sucks for McTrimming.

He's a doctor too, right? He is a doctor, yeah. McTrimming. Oh, that's perfect. And he did kind of look like Patrick Dempsey, actually. Wow. Well, it could be like a Christmas theme nickname, like Trimming the Tree, McTrimming. Like he comes at Christmas time.

Yeah, he just has a real green thumb. He's just like, okay, it's my time to come around because that bush needs trimming. Whoa. Mick. Mick, come on. He's a doctor. It's okay. Okay, yeah. He's loud.

We got blue alert, Mick. Next up, this new era tuber is a winning part of any Thanksgiving meal. This new era tuber? Mm-hmm. Is it jam jam?

It is jam jam! That's very funny. Yam, yum? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, like, jam is a jam is a food too true it works on multiple levels yeah i was trying to think of who had the last name potato you don't remember old brad potato f you brad potato well he did wear a potato sack actually in the finale

but also yeah josh keep an eye out for anyone pepper related i got it yeah yeah yeah yeah someone who has always taught us to just keep swimming this two-time player is rich in omega threes and literary references

two-time player is rich in omega threes and literary references two-time player all I can think of is Dory rich in omega threes like oil right oil fish oil salmon I don't remember when Solomon Rushdie played Survivor um salmon i don't remember when solomon rushed the place survivor

um okay but fish does someone has fish even fish back that's correct yeah okay while the most common type of bean, when it comes to popularity, that is not an advantage. Wait, sorry, we were talking. Can you say it again? While the most common type of bean, when it comes to popularity,

that is not an advantage. Oh, Devin Pinto. Devin Pinto. Oh. that's correct where are y'all stoked on beans where is devin pinto by the way it's a grand question out of curiosity anyone knows let me know i think he has a kid now i'm pretty sure that's a little pinto oh a little pinto bean little mini pinto that's exciting

yeah that is cute these vegetables keep it in the family coming in red and yellow Brad Culpepper that's correct Brad and Monica Culpepper and Monica sorry

peppers come in red and yellow and those were the tribe colors in Survivor And Monica. Oh, sorry. Don't forget my name is for Monica. Sorry. Peppers come in red and yellow. And those were the tribe colors in Survivor Blood vs. Water. Wait, actually? Yeah. Oh, that's perfect. It's like they knew. It worked out very well. You are going to make this game years later.

Yeah. Is that why, you think? Honestly? I may or may not have traveled back in time to the day Brad Culpepper was born to make sure that his family name lived on so that I would come up with this pun-filled game decades upon decades later. I may or may not have done that.

Yeah, I could have done other things with my time machine, but that was the one thing I did. Don't judge me. There's no one who can prove whether or not you did other things with the time travel machine. I may or may not have sired Brad Culpepper to make sure

that he has that pun-filled last name. Now I've got questions that are best reserved for the patron-only version of the B&B. Yeah, add this to the list of things we're learning about Mike Joshua. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Things to question him about things we're learning about mike josh yeah yeah yeah yeah things to question him about real rumpus room back in those days all right next up you

might be living in a cave if you don't remember this two-time thirst trap in more ways than one bobby john drinkard that is correct that was one of my favorites on Drinkard. That is correct. That was one of my favorites to write. That's what I like. Alright. Oh man. Finally. Leave room for dessert?

You don't have to go all the way to China for the sweet treat that will make you feel young at heart. Hmm. Chicken. Damn. That sweet treat. That sweet treat chicken.

Yeah. Oh, um, Frosty. That's correct. Whatever his last name is. Michael Frosties are now. Okay. There we go. See, see like teamwork makes the dream work and this was a dream and y'all absolutely killed it like a bag of rice we did it i think it was a perfect team pairing right like we work together really well i'm just really proud of our efforts here today on the B&B. Me too.

Me too. It feels very good to be included in a winning team. This isn't how it happens for me most often. Most often, it's like I get picked on the team and I look across the field. It's like, oh, shit, we're going to lose. I just know. And so typically we do. And especially when TK's there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, Wiggler, Wiggler, why are you smiling? I don't want to see smiles right now. Oh, I can't help it,

TK. I'm a smiley guy. But I totally agree, Liana. Such a perfect game for the two of you. Thank you for putting words in my mouth, much like all these sensuous meals that these castaways are providing. Last but not least,

on the B&B, as always, we will throw to our guests to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them. Wait, we're done? We're wrapping things up, Josh. Quick in and out. Listen, we run less than an episode of Survivor.

If you're putting this on at the same time as the episode, I'll be interested to see the sync points all a dark side of the moon. Oh man, I had so much fun here on the BNB. We had so much fun having you. What a great time. Thank you for having me.

I want to shout out the Loveland Foundation. Ooh. Thelovelandfoundation.org committed to showing up for communities of color in unique and powerful ways with a particular focus on Black women and girls. Their resources and initiatives are collaborative and they

prioritize opportunity, access, validation, and healing. It's an organization that Emily and I donate to. So I'll shout that out for all of you who are looking for good causes to donate to sounds good i also realized i was going through some of the other names that i did not put uh make clues for and the one i was really trying to figure out but i think might be a

little too far detached was jamie fig newton it was a little little too much off the beaten path wow wow wow uh yeah now i'm kind of just like looking through uh yeah you had like uh russell swan you mentioned chicken sugar kuiper was another one people eat swans josh mike not me the very first the very first thought you had when you were thinking about like other food named contestants was Russell Swan you should the Swan should have stopped looking at me oh my god I thought with the beans Mike White

because white beans are a thing but the quote obviously yeah yeah that was very fun yeah thank you and thank you Josh for coming on here it's been a long time but very welcome return to the bnb talking welcome back to survivor we should say as well you're

you're part of the discourse now you're checking it all out clay i'm just still going through i mean you really could eat a lot of things technically speaking yeah you could digest a good amount of things the human body does a lot of wonders like technically you could eat a lot of things technically speaking yeah you could digest a good amount of things the human body does a lot of wonders like technically you could eat twine yep exactly hands you can eat hands you eat shoulders Ryan

shoulders right I was thinking Ryan pork shoulders at one point oh that's good era of things yeah hoagie hoagie. Hoagie. Yes. Very good.

Very good. One of the clumps. There he is. Bobby John Drinker. And I just I'm just going to stop here on my scan of the of the Wikipedia. Take in my works. Well, speaking of your works, Josh, you have a lot going on

in the podcast space. What would you like to plug to everybody out there who is not in the know? Sure. I am fully back here on RHAP. You can hear me on a lot of the scripted TV podcasting that we've got going on over at weknowscriptedtv.com uh we're recapping all kinds

of different tv shows and having all sorts of different kinds of tv conversations i encourage you to check out tv for real where mike bloom and sasha joseph talk to reality stars about their favorite scripted tv things uh the tastemakers every week where Taryn Armstrong and grace leader are reviewing and discussing new TV movies, news in those spaces as well. So that's a really great resource. If you're trying to stay in touch with all the things that are happening, but you just don't have the time to watch them all.

And then every weekend, Antonio Mazzaro and I are getting together for the weekend program, which is if this is the rumpus room of RHAP, we call ourselves. We're up in the rumpus attic, I guess. We like to say we're in the attic of RHAP talking on Saturdays about all kinds of scripted TV nonsense. TV nonsense. Antonio and I just did a battle of the streamers, a bracket to determine which of sort of like the marquee screen, uh, streaming services right now would reign Supreme.

So the contenders just off the top of my head, not an elimination order or anything. Netflix, Apple TV plus Amazon prime video, Disney plus Hulu, Max, Paramount, Peacock. That's eight, right? Yeah, I mean, that's still eight is a lot. It's a lot, and we could have gone for more.

And so we just winnowed it down to eight right off the rip and put them on a bracket, seeded them through science, and chose a winner, seeded them through science and chose a winner best streaming service. So check it out. The weekend program dot com. And of course, Mike Bloom down the hatch. Mike and I have continued talking about lost. Some would say improbably to those people people, we would say, clearly, you don't know us at all. So we're still talking about that. We're about to wrap up a spoiler-free Lost podcast for people who are discovering the show for the very first time.

We talked about them season by season, so you could listen to the Season 1 podcast after you've watched Season 1 without fear of spoilers for Season 2, so on and so forth. Really fun project. It's about to be over and then when it's done mike and i will resume talking about battlestar galactica spoiler free as well mike's first time picking back up with season three of bsg and probably like what like two weeks something like that something like that uh should we do bean sg instead Bean SG? Yeah. I'm trying to think of like who

among the Battlestar crew, the big G, had food names. Starbucks? Starbucks, yeah. It's pretty much the closest thing. That'll do it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's it. Those are the things. And I had

such a great time being here. I don't know why my voice cracked like that. I had such a great time being here. I don't know why my voice cracked like that. No. I had such a great time being here. The pleasure was all ours. I echo a lot of people that have already said, Will, that it's just really nice to have you back in your own healthy manner. True to what we were talking about with the diet of consuming the show

how you want to. But just having you talk Survivor again. You just did a podcast with rob talking about the 10-year anniversary of san juan del sol oh yeah we're gonna talk about a 10-year anniversary of something else in a couple days so stay tuned to your survivor feed there will be more there you go 10 years greater making a backdoor return here on rkp like whoa oh gosh i guess yeah liana what do you have going on oh my gosh yeah uh certainly not as busy as josh over here but i am talking about the mass singer with booyah we just broke down the very first episode the season premiere and we're gonna continue on for the rest of the season so you can follow me on social media uh just google me you'll find me just google me

all right well you can follow me at a mike bloom type feel free to google me as well uh i suppose i'm on i'm on bing i'm on bing ham uh if you want to check me out but i talked with tk this week uh he had a lot of things to say about his side of the story he also claimed that apparently true to kyle being the intermediary like he accidentally turned Tiana against TK because TK said like oh I'm gonna go rail into Gabe for him costing us the challenge and then Kyle went to Tiana said oh TK actually just apologized to Gabe and Tiana's like wait if he apologized to him for that why didn't he apologize to me so lots of interesting perspectives from Tk after that

surprising be sure to check that all out as well as the exit press i'm doing for big brother for the challenge for the circle josh mentioned tv for real i'm also covering the penguin which is airing its second episode tonight right after the episode airs i'll have my recap up with grace leader and surely much more um next week's edition of the B&B. So I have a couple things in motion as to booking a guest, so it's a little TBD, but hey, we'll open up the box next week and be surprised with another

welcome presence talking about what will hopefully be another wonderfully messy episode of Season 47. Thank you all so much for listening, as per usual. Special thanks to the team behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this for your eyes and ears as well as world of america for his fantastic theme song we'll be back next week with another episode of survivor and the b&b proper until then everybody we'll check you out at your next day together playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame.

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