RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 47 Draft Check-In

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

The Survivor 47 Draft crew is back to check in on how their players are doing! Chappell, Pooya, Shannon, and Taran gather to discuss whose team is thriving and whose team is barely surviving.

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of the panel that we could back together to really talk about what's been going on in our draft, because some people have a lot of noise to talk and some people uh might just be getting booted off the draft forever with me starting just right here to my left uh shannon shannon welcome back hello hi shannon um are you you're happy to be back here to talk about the draft. I'm sure this was your idea. I mean, yes, because people like the draft. I like the draft. I made the, I mean, it came up with the idea last season. And then this season it was risky because I've only had Rachel since week four.

And if she didn't make it here, I probably was going to call in sick. But with Rachel flying, I was more psyched than ever to be here so yeah it's gone it's gone pretty well right now yeah i too am very surprised that you're here uh someone i'm less surprised as you see here puya puya welcome back thank you thank you it's great to be back it's always fun to talk draft whether or not we have players remaining or one remaining you know on an island it's still a good time to to reconnect with everybody until all of you get way too cocky and we don't want to talk to each other again for a little bit but for now i'm happy well speaking of cocky i'll go ahead and get in front of this before everybody else does somehow this man has managed to keep three

people on his draft team for the second time in a row big brother and now here on survivor uh we're heading into the home stretch and uh mr robot himself has not lost one player taryn how do you do it man you know i was reminded by my chat the other uh day that it also happened on big brother canada this all right now look no hold on that's not canon okay we don't i agree big brother canada is not really canon we don't it doesn't exist i'm sorry listen you know i just i i just had this thought and i know nobody's really talked about this before but i was thinking about it i was looking into like what would be like your average draft placement you know and so i started thinking about like how cool would it be if i had like a

good average draft placement now that i've thought about this for the first time ever um and so i've just been working on that and you know what it's been working out pretty well hey that's fine for me because i still i'm sure i have by far the best average draft placement in this survivor draft yes even though my first two picks didn't go super super well this season what is your current average placement this season i mean overall i don't know what that's okay but that's before anybody was really thinking about it i think from my memory i think people were thinking about it i think that i don't remember ever hearing about it that's weird how come when taryn says his chat reminds him no one best and i but when i say the people want this for me everyone's like who are

the people I have people well we know his chat exists you know like if he wanted to click his chat we could click it and go like see but I just could you just like at them at your people I just want to see my people at you picking the people at Chappelle about yeah please do that please don't

embarrass me there are people they're there I'm sure there's a lot of they're there, as Mike Bloom would say. But you know who is not here? Rob Sestanino. And so, Sam, could you pull up the graphic for me?

Because Rob kicked off our draft this time. And let's just talk about him. Okay? I got a lot to say. I got a lot to say as well. For number one, so I haven't checked out Club Condo yet, Chappelle.

I always do. It's a good time. But I believe what I heard is Rob claimed he was not invited to this soiree here. Yeah. Why would we invite him? He doesn't have anyone in the game. He said we shunned him. Like, no, I was told not to come.

Is he not in the group chat? He very much is. He very much is. What what do you mean exactly really it's a really good way to learn that rob's not reading the group chat that's how i found out my dad wasn't reading our family group chat it kind of feels like that it actually feels exactly the same way that happened to me information there that happened to me this week where i was like liana let me show you a tiktok and then she's like i sent that to the family chat i was like oh when like three days ago i was like good for you uh anyway i just saw it now um but no here's the thing the reason i'm gonna give rob some guff here is because rob had a lot of cockiness to hold coming in as the champion

after winning the draft last season champion right he he didn't even do that right it came in second but whatever uh only to then give us all that grief pick and then make everyone look a fool and give presentations to pick asia himself only to then grenade himself out of the draft and by the time the jury begins be the first out clean and then not show up here i mean we had the relegation clause and uh i don't know i don't know how it's looking. Drafting again. So that might. Look, he should have definitely just left it at the best possible

scenario last season. We had the best average draft placement and he won. He won by every distinguishable metric other than actually having the winner of the season. So that went excellently and then this was like the opposite of that. Why did we blow past the fact that the chat right now is saying they're

my people? I don't see it. On the screen, it was there. I don't see it. Nope. Nope. No. Don't cherry pick the one comment that says I'm looking at the chat.

No, I am actually looking at it. I am struggling. What are you talking about? I'm one of the people. No, I am actually looking at it. I am struggling. What are you talking about? I'm sorry. I'm one of the people. I am Shannon's people. There are people. I'm the people.

Just tell yourself. That's one. Shannon, thank you. There were four different people who said that in a row. Then someone said Team Shannon. Oh, OK. That says at Shannon Gates, parentheses Gus. OK, fine.

If that's what you want to say, at Shannon Gates slash Gus. But, okay. Yeah, let me start with Rob, because since he didn't want to come, I want to point out that by the time we ended our draft, he was shaming me for my picks. He was like, I thought Chappelle had a good draft until

the whole... What? Yeah, like, bro, I begged and pleaded for him to let me have asia on my team and he just had to like sit there all smug like asia literally asked for me to pick her and he still denied it and so this is his karma this is asia's karma okay his whole entire team wow what a what a what a play by asia yes well you can't say we're spoiled that's i think really important i think we really prove something yeah karen what i think i learned with that is asia loves us asia was looking out for it for us you know shout out asia yeah what about me she specifically didn't want me to pick her she loves

me the most she tried to save you yeah she, she did. She was like, please give Shannon a shot. And look, Rob took the bait. He picked Asia for his first pick. And, you know, here at the RJP family, we love some Asia. Pouya, talk

to me. What went wrong? Why is Asia not our winner here on this RJP draft? Why is Rob out our winner here on this RGP draft? Why is Rob out of the draft right now? Well, Rob's out because he got grenaded. So we can't even put that on Asia. Like that wasn't even the Asia pick. I mean, listen, the first three, four episodes of the season was the the rise of the Roman hierarchy where Rome just happened to have the full control. of the Roman hierarchy where Rome just happened to have the full control. He has an idol.

He's looking around. He's got control. And it's a very tough, he's fishing. It was a very tough person to take down. And ultimately I think it was more of a, well, we don't want to have to deal with Rome if we don't do things his way. And he's still here.

So let's just do something else. And Asia becomes the something else that, and I do think that if I remember correctly, Asia really planting the feet in and saying, I'm not getting rid of Saul, it's Genevieve or it's dust is kind of the other part where other people looked more willing to switch up on the vote. Whereas Asia was like, this is the vote or it's not nothing. And I feel like that's really what it was. In hindsight, I, it feels like this was, uh, like you could really lay this at the feet of Genevieve, who successfully managed to kind of trick Keyshawn and and Teenie into thinking that she was a solid number for them. More so than Asia and and and Saul uh which obviously was not the case and and i think that like you know uh i definitely took a little a bit of glee in this but like the move to take out asia was so

clearly the wrong one for pretty much everyone on that tribe except for genevieve um teeny is still in it with a shot but you know clearly not as good a position as they might have been in had asia been there instead of genevieve well yeah asia got genevieve like that and a lot of people have been genevieve and we didn't know that at the time because genevieve was so purple then and i think we even joked like imagine if this is all genevieve and then like we found out it was and we're like imagine if asia is against like one of the best social players ever and that wins out like against everyone else's best interest because they want to work with this person so so much because she's like a magical social player and then that was

true so many people that day got Genevieve and until last week we're getting Genevieve and I think that that is what happened so very unfortunate because in those small tribes yeah if you're going to go up against like such a kind of awe-inspiring social player like Genevieve has been, there's little room to move, especially when they wanted to roam out. He has an idol and now like the options are very, very limited. But I do feel like with Rob, do we think that he's, we can't let him play again?

Because I'm thinking this is a Tony run. Last season, Kageyan, this season is his game changes. Let's not let him come back for the winners of war. Yeah. Let Asia come back and the winners of war. Yeah. Let Asia come back and draft again. You know, yeah. I'll take it. Come back home, Asia. Right. I can't deal with another RHAP person going on Survivor. It was too much.

I really did not enjoy the first few episodes of this season at all. I mean, I'm talking about at all, but the one thing I will give Asia is there's a reason why Genevieve was purple. I mean, look at the material. There was so much Asia content to give them. Between Asia, baby Andy and John Lovett's like, yeah, we'll get to Genevieve. She'll have her moment. I think they gave Asia and RJP time to shine while she was on the show. And then when she got eliminated, it was very sad that she had to go. But also good on Rob. You you know i'm happy that this happened to rob because uh he really did

play in my face and so uh moving on taryn you had the second pick and you chose another rhap favorite you chose baby andy and i was very jealous taryn but it seems like things are going well yeah it was a bit of a roller coaster people were really dogging on me for the andy pick uh after the first couple of episodes that was a rough episode one taryn very rough one for sure yeah um and i was feeling because obviously it was andy or teeny that i was looking at i was feeling like oof you know teeny had such a strong start maybe i should have gone with teeny um but now i feel like uh it's flipped a little bit and andy has had quite the comeback. Um, and, uh, and maybe my,

my highest value player on the board right now in terms of win equity. Uh, I'm not sure, but it's certainly possible. He has been like the star of multiple episodes. They keep like highlighting him, uh, at the start of every episode and where I'm like,

Oh, okay, here it is. This is his downfall episode. But then just like nothing happens. He's just like in the mix with everyone and everyone's trusting him and i'm like how did this happen like yeah he's i'm pretty sure one edgy kick and he's had the episode title three weeks or four weeks in a row now they've been his titles all of them i mean speaking of speaking of tony he makes me he reminds me of Tony in terms of his edit in the sense that like Tony was hard to predict as the winner that season, his original season, because he was such a big character that you's like, you know, Andy could be the winner and be having all this content or he could just be Andy and having all this content.

And it's impossible to tell the difference as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, he's so compelling in his own right. And I but I am worried. And I said this on the recap this week that like we don't really hear from other people about how like andy is the spider now and it requires such a drastic perception change and if anything like what we've heard recently like from sierra who's you know head of ponderosa at this point like is negative things so i kind of do worry that andy will get to the end and talk about how he's been the spider and the snake and etc analog. And people will be like, no,

you weren't. And I'm concerned about that. Like at this point I have Andy in like a top three winner potential, but I would still put money more that he's like the Jake style losing finalist, which is to me like the most compelling spot to be in. And I think that that tracks, but I still think it's a good pick.

It was just the rollercoaster to get it back to being a good second pick has been crazy and now it's like where it should be but i'm sure you were sweating there for like yeah if if this was the type of season uh format where we do redrafts mid-season i think andy gets picked ironically around where he got picked in this beginning of the season like he's a top tier pick chapelle i you know you and I are acquainted with one Andy here. And when we got on stage to talk about him at the New York show this season, that was the episode where Andy put the hips in motion. Yeah, for the frog.

Listen, Andy's naughty, man. Andy's doing stuff with his tongue, doing stuff with his teeth. With his mouth. Andy, get your mouth off that ball. What you doing? Yeah. Maybe Andy did not come here to play with y'all, okay? Like you said, the star of many of the episodes, naming the episode, the he's all

that moment is crazy. Like, what was the last time we just got, like, such a big character moment from a player that it's, like, almost aside from the game, it's just like they just gave Andy a segment to be Andy. And one of my favorite things about this is that we've heard rumors that there could be a player from this season coming back for survivor 50 and i wouldn't count andy out at all my top pick yeah yeah cool baby andy could do this twice y'all i would look there's andy ds

twine okay let's do it let's get it so big good pick from taryn i think a pick that i can say we are envy i don't think any of us we're gonna have andy low on our draft boards but you know them's the breaks this is the order we have to go off of um pulia you went third and i thought you had a great third pick with tiana i genuinely at that moment felt like because coming into the draft I was like okay I have a feeling if I first of all if I'm in the top two picks I'm gonna end up with one of Asia or Andy and then I knew who my number one pick was in my head if neither of them were on the season or in my options it was Tiana I did not regret this pick for a minute I felt really good about this

pick and I guess ultimately to see her get all the way to, all right, we're all together. Psych, Rachel, get out of here. We're redoing the Tuku tribal and having her go out there was heart-wrenching and not even for the draft. You know, ultimately as much as I do care about the draft, I want to win the draft, I want to brag about it.

My heart ached just watching her meet her fate there and get voted out that was a very tough watch um to see tiana be this close to that jury and to be sniped out right before it happens right survivor is far from fair but i mean everything we've heard from people on the show and their exit press say that if rachel hadn't walked out that that day with that safety without power uh she would have gotten voted out and Tiana probably would have been here to fight another day. She would have been very very

very twist screwed. Right exactly and so I mean some would say Tiana got twist screwed I mean what safety without power just somebody handing it to the one person and you know Tiana got twist saved and then twist screwed at the same time.

That's the new era. Yeah. And it happened all within the span of like 15 minutes. Right. But it happened so quickly. That is the new era, Shannon. The monster is coming for you. And I think it just got Tiana right before, you know, the merge or, you know, the jury phase or whatever.

But like with Tiana, because she was going to be my third pick as well. Like Asia and Tiana. Like as much as I can like, you know, complain about complain about you know robbed it badly and be mean to him like Asia obviously made a powerpoint wanting Asia John love it I wanted to get I wasn't as high on Sierra but like those first two pigs like I was gonna take so Tiana I was gonna take third but I feel like it wasn't just the twist like Tiana's game I was surprised because I really came in very high on her and then like the whole pre-merge she was at the bottom she didn't know that Gabe and Sue were close like she got gaped that's not great so her game wasn't like where I expected it to be for a third pick

I thought it was a great pick at the time very very fair but like you should kind of like want some money back I think of how that went yeah uh Taryn your draft picks are going perfectly right now but where did uh tiana fall for you on your on your draft board do you remember thinking that she was a great pick uh at the time um i'd have to look at my uh i have to look at her power rankings yeah exactly um i i agree with shannon though uh tiana there i mean there were some flaws you know uh trying to jump ship before it was time to jump ship definitely didn't do her any favors, but it didn't seem like that was going to be the thing that got rid of her right then. You know, the two coups went

into the merge and the jury portion with four people, and it could have been five, you know, if not for the safety without power. So, you know, I think it was a solid pick, Pouya, just, you know, the new era is very unforgiving. And Liana will go on to

pick Teenie next um I've had such a roller coaster ride with Teenie I wanted Teenie to do well Teenie recognizes Asia right off the bat I'm like yes somebody's gonna save Asia because I mean how could you not target Asia look at her she's a big target this is Asia but also she's great why would you not want to work with Asia and we see Teenie battling with that same exact thing. We get the RHFP shout out, but also the power of Genevieve, the gravitational pull of

Rome, his advantage that he had. There were so many things going, you know, a certain way for the Teenie-Asia relationship. They're not really able to salvage it. Teenie does end up voting out Asia. But since then, uh,

Tarantini has had such a rollercoaster ride in this game, uh, specifically dealing with Genevieve, but just in general. Yeah. I mean, uh, I thought teeny had a great start and I think that like everything that,

you know, you'd be hopeful for teeny to have in terms of like game ability, uh, is there, uh, they have a great in terms of like game ability, uh, is there, uh, they have a great social game. Um, and,

uh, I wouldn't say like bad strategic instincts either. Um, I think that just they really, I mean, if you look at it all the way through, it's just been Genevieve has been the problem for teeny Genevieve has been such a thorn in their side from day one between the the asia thing and

then eventually the sol thing um it's really prevented uh teeny from being able to uh to really gain any momentum in the game um and i don't think they're like completely completely out of it but uh it does feel like part of the story they're telling with Teenie is that they were just a little too trusting overall. And that, I think, was, you know, in relation to the scene they had with Sam, who's the next pick, where Sam was like, yeah, I'm lying. And Teenie was like, oh, Sam wants to work with me. It's like, oh, yeah, that's there. They're trying to tell us something here. Right.

Shannon, you've been reading the edgy tea leaves. And I think that's right. they're trying to tell us something here right shannon you've been reading the edgy tea leaves right but well but listen i've heard you mention that the teeny edit is not a bad edit for a winner yeah i mean i think the teeny edit is great i think teeny has the best edit of the edits left because it's like andy has the most ott edit but i feel like that could just be andy the most like considered edit i feel like is teeny and we're talking about this on the global B&B collab like Liana feels Teenie's edit is a little too like broad story versus like personal story I feel like it's a little bit too yeah maybe just like story versus strategy but I also feel like the strategy has been lacking so if your winner has been out of it until now and then is going to be the Teenie's rising from the ashes but hasn't started rising yet and it was in the fire

for the last few episodes you have to maybe make it on broader narration or more personal content and i feel like that's where teeny has been i feel like the edit's very much there i think the jury's there right like sierra um soul would vote between they're starting it off likable um will be well spoken i think can have it but the game hasn't been there i think that the edit has done a lot to defend teeny to this point and keep you still invested in their story. So I think the editor there, like I have teeny second on my winner predictions right now from an edit and game perspective, because I think the game's now opened up to be pretty good for teeny.

So yeah, Liana hanging in there. I feel like Liana was going to come to this, right? Like two weeks ago, she said she was free, but then like something happened. I can share this now, was right like two weeks ago she said she was free but then like something happened now but we didn't want to say anything in case like her mom was going to be listening to any

content but she went home to surprise her mom for thanksgiving so i was just trying to be funny because she got you know but now i feel terrible because that sounds really sweet how do you feel shannon huh happy thanksgiving leana's mom i don't have thanksgiving year okay so yeah well the thing is right two weeks ago we were in a situation where taryn and liana had full teams and i was like the rest of us look ridiculous and liana lost two back to back and is on the same island as the rest of us pretty much um genevieve and kyle also you know never count your chickens but they're probably the next two kind of targets so hopefully taran suffers the

same fate why hopefully i mean let's try on each other's downfall let's just let's spread the wealth you know i like to keep most of my time praying for all of your downfalls in the otherwise like if you guys don't know me i think it's fair i think it's fair puya yeah he has not played a perfect game by any stretch of the imagination but neither did kenzie right and i think a lot of like when you look back at kenzie's game last season the social bonds that kenzie made really allowed her to win against you know some of the more strategic movers and shakers in the game uh could you see something like that happening for teeny this time it's definitely possible i mean ultimately this is kind of to me the story has been teeny feels good feels good feels good loses key ally has to reboot has to pick up every new

piece right loses kishan reboot pick up pieces teeny feeling good feeling good feeling good now meeting everybody else feeling good has made some bonds good good good good good has an amulet good good good and then boom Saul gets clipped now and is kind of on an island feels betrayed by the one person one of the person they've been there with the entire time so I feel like teeny's shown multiple times now I can pick it all back up and I can try again I don't got that quit you when I feel down I. I'm not out completely. So I can definitely see that. Ultimately, I don't know. I think she's not the not out the running as the winner by any stretch of the imagination. But it's looking like a very upwards climb as of right now for me.

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He really was talking about the game the way I see the game. And so everything that Sam has done in the game, I've completely understood. I don't necessarily think they were all right decisions, but it felt like Chappelle decisions for sure. So I've been enjoying seeing Sam play. And, but one of the things that I guess

is kind of a little disappointing to me is that nobody is talking about Sam as the winner. And I'm like really hoping that Sam is the winner. I feel like I've been talking about Sam as the winner since like episode one. I felt like since he said glue guy, I was like, I feel like this guy could be the winner. He hasn't been the glue guy.

But he said it. I feel like Sierra was the glue girl. one. He hasn't been the glue guy. But he said it. I feel like Ciara was the glue girl, and then they said that Rachel was the glue. Again, has anyone else said this? Or did Sam just say it about himself? Listen, sometimes you got to make your own winner quote. But I think that at this point, you know, people are talking about the edit is so good for Teenie.

The edgic is pointing to Andy Genevieve, so all-time social player. Kyle's got this immunity run. My boy Sam is holding on. So, Taryn, do you still feel that way? Do you think Sam is one of the front runners? I feel like Sam is still in there with a with a good shot. I feel like his content has never been negative.

He was always the one person on that tribe that was like explicitly protected from the andy stuff he was always the guy that like even though they kind of implied that everyone was looking down on andy sam was always the one that they would make sure they went out of their way to be like but not sam or or like hey rachel and s are like, think this of me. And it's like, where is Sam's name in that? You know, and so that to me was always like very like pointed in that direction. Now, I will say in regard to Rachel, I feel like they've done work to like reconcile her and Andy. So I think that she's she's now healed from that. But I thought sam was just

always protected from it in the first place and he's just always see he's a good narrator which is maybe why he's getting a lot of content but like uh he's also like very active i've seen some people say he might be like the the jake uh or the owen edit um that Teenie might be that. But I don't see it because he's trying, right? He tried with the vote before and didn't happen. But this time it did happen. Like he got Gabe out. Like they gave the credit to him.

And so I feel like he's definitely still in there with a shot. Yeah, that's more of a win than like Owen and Jake were getting. I feel like that is not and that's just not how people perceive someone like Sam, just from like a perception demographic perspective. I feel like because he's such like a kind of a leading guy, like him just getting to the end,

people would be impressed even if it's just on survival. If they fully depower him, I was saying like if he lost his vote and they voted out like a Rachel, then you can kind of go on the narrative, but I don't think the losses have been heavy enough to like really depower that perception. But Chappelle, I have to train you in the ways of relying on a big strong guy to win i have to be like your yoda in this and like i need to let you know like big strong guys around the final

six four they will i think that worked um yeah yeah i feel like he's just gonna get clipped around like the end game and i can tell you why i know that because it happens to me every year so that's probably what that's how I see it for Sam. But I think he was like playing as well. He's can to this point coming back from, from where he was. Do I still have a chance to win the draft with Sam? It's, it's not looking great, bro. Like it's not, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that it's, it's done. done right i i think arguably to me of all the teams

left i think your team is the second most likely of the rest of us to win um how is that mathematically first of all it's my personal opinion right second of all opinion i'm a lot of cool about you mathematically literally shannon your odds of winning this season have gone up a lot and don't think I've not noticed that you're not going to win one of your many jacked dude picks we literally we will get to that Sam instead I'm saving you from yourself and you might

win the draft because of Chappelle so I would have still taken Rachel I would have taken Rachel you would not if I had taken TK I had a one strong buff guy spot and I used it on TK I wanted i used it on tk i wanted to use it on sam i would have had rachel and sam likely story no but i was going to take if i had taken rachel then then who were you going to take oh right at that point um exactly like honestly i will say it and i know that it's easy to say and she's not even going to win so it's

what i think genevieve i really i said she was sparkly go back and check the tapes i felt really good about genevieve and i'd probably be like sam and Genevieve if I couldn't get like Rachel TK that's why I wouldn't have taken TK and Sam because of you would have made fun of me and um I'm so sensitive I mean we are well we're still here we're gonna make fun of you regardless so yeah this is the first time that uh Shannon has uh wait wait wait we didn't go back to the crazy take of who you're saying that Chippewa has the second best team because I don't think it's I didn't go back to the crazy take of Puyo saying that Chippewa was the second best team. I don't think it's a crazy take, so we're moving on. We need to explain that take.

No, no, no, wait. I'm fine to explain that because I feel like as of maybe an episode, episode and a half ago, I really felt that way. I did watch this last week's episode today because I was out of town for that one. So obviously that has changed since.

But I don't think it's a wild take to say that Sam and Caroline were looking very good about like an episode, a round ago for me. I feel like they're exactly mid. So who was second for you of the teams remaining? I mean, I guess

Liana. Like me, Liana, Taryn, Chappelle, you, Rob. Hmm. Okay. Well, I mean, we could still talk about the rest of the players. Listen, Shannon, you had to pick a woman this time. I left you no choice and it worked out. Uh, it looks like you, you, you definitely could have, but, uh, you know, we gave you a shot here. You, uh, you went against your, your instincts and your urges, and you said, okay, I'm going to support women. And

Rachel has had the ride of a lifetime here as well. She starts off in a tribe, and she thinks she's in a dominant position. They have her snowed for several vote-outs because they get rid of John Lovett, and then it's like, okay, Rachel and the crew are just going to string Andy along, but then Andy

starts to take control of whatever that alliance is, along with Sam and Sierra. And Rachel finds herself on the outs watching a couple of her allies go down. And then she starts to kind of emerge now in the post-merge where she's got an advantage here. She gets saved by Saul. She's not the biggest target, but to me, I feel like maybe Rachel is in a spot where she could win, but I don't think she's a standout as somebody who, if you put her up against somebody like Sam, for instance, how does she get the votes over Sam? How does she get the votes over

Genevieve? She's not sitting with Sam Chappelle. He's going in the top six. I don't know what to tell you. Listen, you think that Rachel... She's not sitting next to Genevieve either. Genevieve, you know, so. She's not sitting with Sam Chappelle. He's going in the top six. I don't know what to tell you. Listen, you. She's not sitting next to Genevieve either. You think that Rachel has a really good chance of winning the game. Almost as good as Tini and Andy.

I think she has the best chance, right? The best chance. So tell me why. Incredibly cocky. I think on game and edit, Rachel's got it, you know, because Tini's, you know, as we've said, maybe, maybe i think teeny does have the best edit but is a little personal by necessity due to the game not being there andy's i think is ott as i've said for the reason of losing finalists compelling like andy specific but they're still both good

but rachel i feel like it's getting a lot of game stuff she gets the chance to even explain how she's gauging the shot in the dark i mean there are a lot of casuals who probably didn't understand what she even meant by that but they gave her the time and i feel like from a game position i can imagine her sitting at the end talking about things like the shot in the dark move which people will love and the rice move and she still has an idol and i think she has runway in front of her and i think she's smart enough to do it and to talk about it and i think that the edit is there and i feel like she's my number one pick right now and i'm just feeling so excited about it i'm like i'm poised for a pick right now and i'm just feeling so excited about it

i'm like i'm poised for a really big fall because i'm just like i'm so i'm so excited about it right i'm really rooting for rachel to go a little bit further just though your fall is a lot more epic but i like rachel and so it's really hard to root against her what were you gonna say i'm about to say something that's the opposite of what you're about to say. I am not upset at a world where Rachel wins and by proxy, Shannon wins the draft. And here's why. I just think it is just statistically ridiculous. This idea that we are about to, we will be entering 48. So our 48 with no one having won twice. Now I know Taryn,

I know you had two first place. Right. Obviously Rob coming in as proxy, taking in the grenade rule, taking the win there. I just think it's just wild to think that we'll get to 48 Asia comes back to the draft and no one has won more than one. What are the odds of that? Can someone calculate the odds of that? I mean, it'd be very difficult because like Rob coming in for two seasons is an

anomaly. Got it out. A couple of couple statistical anomalies that would be crazy actually if it was seven seasons of seven people ever drafting and we all won one i think that would be highly highly statistically improbable and i really want to know after that how much after that it took the grenade rule to stop me from winning twice it makes more sense karen i tried to get the grenade rule removed after 41 y'all didn't let let it happen so you could have been the two-timer here listen i was down with my spiritual win you know what i mean well i think in the event shannon that you do and first of all congratulations for that thank you so much thank you but i think then the next thing i'll be looking for is do we get a repeated uh order where Taryn wins 48, Chappelle wins 49? Oh, he's going to make me wait again.

That would be ridiculous. We'd have to, if two of you, if that order starts forming, we might have to disband. This might be too much power. But then Taryn goes back on Survivor. No, Taryn has to go on Survivor at that point, and then Rob will come in. So it'll work itself out.

But I'll say this. As much trash as I'm talking, Shannon, if I'm going to support you winning any draft, this is the one. Because Rachel is so good. I like her so much. So watching her play the game is so cool as well. So it's kind of like, if you got to win one, I could give you this one. But, you know, deep down, I'm kind of hoping that you don't win.

That's mean. Well, it was almost done. Like, I mean, yeah, Keyshawn and TK. Like, what I really wanted at that point, because didn't look like rachel had the winner edit early and i was like i just need her to only lose sierra by one so that at least rob would have the worst average draft placement but sierra is gone rachel might win and she was almost out the door she was you know with tuku in that group and i was like oh it's done and then she got saved by the gods being soul and i'm just so excited to still be here with you guys yeah i i feel like um i was looking at

teeny and sam as the front earners for a long time uh and i feel like teeny has fallen out of winning winner at a decent amount i think sam has lost some luster and i really feel like rachel and andy were the two that have kind of like risen uh genevieve also but genevieve had a rough episode this week um so uh to me it does it is starting to feel like it could definitely be rachel especially because they're attaching like a huge portion of her story to andy like i feel like she keeps talking again like healing the thing about andy like oh andy and i have had such a similar journey uh over the course of this season and it's like i don't know if i see that but like sure like i think edit wise i it feels like they're trying to tie this together because andy feels like kind of like

story a for the season and they're trying to like tie the winner into it to some degree. Uh, I think also that like, um, part of the reason why I wasn't looking at her in the start was because they had her like dismissing Andy so much. And I felt like, you know, would they have that? Um, but, but again, because she's now sort of reconciling with Andy, I think it makes more sense. Uh, she's shown to be a very smart player, uh, and she's had a lot of good content, uh, in, in the back half. So I definitely should think she's a top contender at this point. I don't think anybody's a perfect candidate and I think that she is, uh, very much up there. Yeah. A couple of things from the chat.

Um, firstly, Matt Benjamin says that the quick math is around 0.6, 1, 1, 9, 8, et cetera, to get seven different winners out of seven dra around 0.6198, et cetera, to get seven different winners out of seven drafters. I can't check that math, but I'm just going to take that at face value. That would be crazy. And then Wild West says, I think the players on the island that respect Rachel are Genevieve, Caroline, maybe Andy. We've seen a lot of people respect Rachel. Like when Caroline says that, for example, like the Tuku Tribal Council,

I feel like everyone's agreeing. You know, Gabe is on the jury. He was saying that Rachel is such a huge threat. Definitely the perception is very much there. She's going to win. This is going to be my time. And that was Rachel's driving force in trying to get Genevieve out this week as well.

She's like, Genevieve sees me as the threat that I am. If Rachel gets to the end, maybe the rest of them will see it too. The next pick, I think, as the threat that I am. And so, uh, yeah, if Rachel gets to the end, maybe the rest of them will see it too. Um, the next pick, uh, I think, do we do a snake? We did a snake, right? So it was your pick again. So we, we had the loss of TK early on in the game, uh, big strong guy. Um, and, but, but TK had an interesting, you know,

kind of trajectory in the game. He, he forges his own path in episode one, something that Asia was supposed to do. And then he goes on to go on to get eliminated because of the way maybe he was dealing with his team maybe where he was dealing with tiana he called his team's losers and i don't think they really went for that and it's it's it's sort of pushed him out while gabe was trying to uh get pushed in um were you surprised at how fast tk went shannon no i thought he'd go second so that's why i drafted him of course i was surprised i was pretty upset about it and um yeah it was really just not going extremely well because especially because i feel like it was like

he did that to himself yeah you know like with other people you're like well it's a tough situation even like he's sean i'm like okay well it was there you know i mean even though i got him last but like i don't hugely blame him it was just like tk i feel like he did a lot of that and put people off so i'm pretty upset about it yeah taryn you shocked by tk's placement this time was he like the first person voted off of his tribe um yeah he went second chabelle i'm just listen i'm just remembering i don't i don't have the data in front of me You don't even remember that long ago when TK went Which tribe was TK on? The first of his tribe, they only went one time

to tribal council Were you guys the ones from the season? Was that Gabe's tribe? That was Gabe's tribe You guys are invested and I appreciate that Listen, I had TK really low on my pet peeves list So I don't,

I don't remember what it was. People losing in challenges, not trying hard enough in challenges. Clearly he does not like that. That was enough to get him sent home. Pouya, I like TK. I was really hoping that we could see more of him if he got later on in the

game, but it seemed like he just got outplayed. He did. I mean, ultimately, you know, going out that in the game but it seemed like he just got outplayed he did i mean ultimately you know going out that in the early run you'd you'd imagine someone of his stature would be kept for the physical components of the challenges they didn't need that he ended up on a tribe where

they're like we're good man goodbye uh and i think ultimately i also had him lower on my list um he didn't quite speak to me, but I did not expect him to go out second. I kind of thought he'd be like right around where we get our like 12th, 11th exits. That's kind of where I had him pegged. Yeah, he really did do well for the average draft placement. Yeah, I could have saw him making the merge for sure.

My next pick was Annika. And I was so happy with my annika pick i was very proud of this pick coming out of the draft like man y'all got me messed up because i got a sleeper pick on y'all and then the game started and it's like hey you know sam's number one enemy is annika i was like oh wow this is this is tough why did i draft two people from the same tribe what was i doing and so i just it was like a slow march to find out which one of them gets the other one out but the anika blindside is probably one of the high points of the season for us puya uh we were live watching that happen and that's how you exit okay you milk that moment for like for all it's worth and make people remember you and memorable it was man not just

because we got to watch it live and that that pause in between annika looking back and staring down the rest of the tribe and the reaction in the room erupting that aside annika was a very fun character and i was so broken to see her leave early i thought we could have gotten a lot out of annika i think annika was a great character on the show um ultimately for for me, it was like, well, I want Andy to stay. So then Anika gots to go if that's the other option. And I do wish we got more of her. But when you picked Anika where you did, I wasn't mad at that pick at all.

I thought it was a great spot. And I still, I think I had Anika going further than tk so yeah for what it's worth well she did uh taryn i can't imagine you were rooting for annika too much considering her does that mean you care about what her what her placement was in the season i think we don't care about the average draft placement overall i think we just like to see how people how people do you know i think no one brings that up except you except this time this was the first time actually we ever heard Sarah mention it. Actually, we're going to get into it a bit later,

but I will say one of my people, Michael O'Brien on Blue Sky, I've sent Sam a link to put up. Michael O'Brien says, as you can see, I can just read it to you. Will this episode have an update on the new era average draft placement standings? It will. We have a spreadsheet coming. Michael, please stay tuned.

You know, the only metric that means anything, anyone can get lucky once true, consistently picking great players across multiple seasons is a skill we will be getting to it so that's just a teaser for later on in the podcast i just don't think we have the time uh is there anything we could talk about leona's pick gabe because because he was a big portion of the season as well. A big star coming out the gate. He told us he wants to be on the Mount Rushmore of Survivors, the new era or the whole era or whatever he said. But do we think he accomplished that?

Shannon, what do you think about Gabe overall? I mean, do I think he's on the new era Mount Rushmore? Yeah. Well, he'll be back. He said he's coming back. I think that's very tough. I don't know that anyone in the season right now is on the new era mount rushmore yeah well he'll be back he said he's coming back i think that i mean that's very tough i don't know that anyone in the season right now is on the new era mount rushmore maybe andy could get there but i mean i am i do have a spot like open on the new era mount rushmore but i also have multiple seasons left where are your other three yeah you gotta tell um carolyn

marianne and q where the three i've always kind of had on my New Era Mount Rushmore. And then there's been, I mean, Emily Flippin, Shan, there's a lot of people who could kind of go into that fourth spot. That's tough. I like the Shan, Marianne, Jam Jam. I was going to say Jam Jam. Jam Jam's in the mix, but I don't have a clear fourth. That's the three for me.

I mean, look, it's tough to get into the New Era Mount Rushmore. I don't know about you guys. I have Asia, Asia, Asia. Asia, Asia, and Asia. It's weird that you guys seem to be missing one. Yeah, that's a good pick. Again, I'm not shocked that Shannon's leaving Asia off for reasons.

Mariana and Carolyn. I said for reasons, but Taryn, Gabe said he will be back. Do you think so? I kind of feel for Gabe. i feel like he was out there you know playing the game doing his thing uh and you know ultimately came up short i think the edit decided he wasn't super important and i think he probably had this moment of like watching the show and realizing man i wasn't really the character

that i was hoping i would be uh so i feel for him but but the answer is no i don't i don't think he'll be back i don't think they i don't think they they took what he was given i i think you got a decent villain we don't really do villains in the in the new era like that we know jeff not a big fan of bringing people on just for conflict but i think that this was a a palatable villain. You know, he didn't say anything too egregious or do anything too Hansian, you know, even though he wanted to give a shout out to Russell Hans a little bit. I don't think it ever got that real for him,

but I think that he made a valiant effort. If he gets through this most recent vote with four people, then I think he has a good shot at going to the end of the game. But it was a gamble that didn't necessarily pay off. Puyo, you got any final words for Gabe? I just remember when Liana picked Gabe here, a lot of people gave her crap for making a huge mistake

and she was like, I think he's a good pick. I'm not going to take that back. And I think ultimately looking at some of the people that went out before Gabe, she kind of nailed it there. So kudos for her. Yeah, he did a good job. No one talks.

Shannon, as former winners here, if you are about to join the winner's circle, you've got to realize. You've got to see it in the spreadsheet. You've got to see it in the spreadsheet. That goes out the window. Let's see. Once we bring the spreadsheet up, we'll talk about it.

It is a spreadsheet. I sent it to Sam in the private chat and a lot of people in the chat. Let's see. Once we bring the spreadsheet up, we'll talk about it. There is no spreadsheet. It is a spreadsheet. I sent it to Sam in the private chat and a lot of people in the chat. Let's see what the chat is saying. I can't put it on the screen and you guys know it's unfair. You cannot. Just like you can't put an imaginary spreadsheet on the screen. So make sure y'all DM Shannon for whatever this data is that she's

farming. Let's get to Rome and then we'll get to the script. Well, let's talk about Rome. Rome is a very polarizing character this season. Obviously, he comes out. He's get to Rome and then we'll get to this. Well, let's talk about Rome. Rome is a very polarizing character this season. Obviously, he comes out, he's a big character, but he's pretty anti-Asia from moment one. Didn't like that. He also gave

a shout out to the RHAP family after Asia's elimination. Didn't love that. But the Rome rollercoaster was crazy. We saw all aspects of Rome, his huge personality. We saw him as a strategist. We saw him as a challenge competitor. And I think he has what it takes to be, like, an all-time character

if he were ever to play again. But he got clipped in the pre-merge. And so I think we got our role while we had it. And then, you know, was it a pre-merge, Shannon? Did he make the merge? I don't know. It's hard to know. Every single thing in the new era has an asterisk. The merge has an

asterisk. The challenges have an asterisk. That just is the new era. That's what we need to start talking about. Is there one asterisk free aspect of the new era? Maybe not. So stats become impossible and that's fine for me personally. That's not something at all that I care about. So he was with a group of

people and they all voted him out. And they all mergey to me taryn do you do what's the most memorable moment you have from rome uh when he got voted out yeah he sat in the chair he sat in the chair it was genuinely a cool moment i liked it i thought that was like a villain but i've never done yeah it was it was just like a cool moment to see somebody who was such a big fan have like a moment as they're being voted out to like have that thing and yeah i thought it was cool love that for him his uh twitter name is at rome the host and so jeff literally let him sit in his chair and host we've never seen jeff act like this before spicy jeff is gone i don't care what anybody says. Pouya, for me, I will never

forget Rome and his challenge competitions because they had some good showings, and then there's some times where he's just doing a puzzle by himself and we're just like, what's going on? Rome was a lot of things, but he was definitely a character that made you feel something. Oh, for sure. Whether it was a

very negative reaction or in the first week when he was head first, half his body in the well. Like he definitely was a polarizing, be very talked about and see, I think if there ever was to be a heroes versus villains too, he's top of the ballot for the villains. I really do think that if they're going to bring a villain from the new era he is the number one pick of villain in the new era easily and he would relish it i think that's the other thing about rome is he would he would embrace the title of villain uh in a way that you would want a villain to embrace it right like you don't want them to be a reluctant villain you want them to come in and say no i'm going to uh you know uh slit their necks and then you know floss my teeth with their jugulars. And speaking of, Tara, your next pick.

I think this person could be a shoe-in for a villain if she ever came back to play. You drafted Genevieve and again, for the first couple episodes, I know you were kind of questioning this pick. I mean, I don't think I questioned the Genevieve pick personally. I mean, I was worried that she wasn't the winner. I

didn't think she was the winner, but I still... Why did he drop her? I mean I was worried that she wasn't the winner I didn't think she was the winner but I still why did you drop to a savage droplet no he meant no he meant he didn't see her on the show and he liked her pet peeve god Shannon please yeah I mean yeah exactly um you know like the like the the Andy Teeny one was like maybe I should have gone the other way because uh quite frankly, though, those two were not based on pet peeves. Those two are based on the fact that they were, you know,

that I knew them. What? What? Nothing has meaning. That's my pet peeve now. Well, if we're going to be, if we're going to be real,

my grenade pick was also based on, although I didn't have any, but that was also based on the fact that I'd met Jelinski and I, yeah. And you had met two people. And you thought this guy was Jelinski. Yeah, and you had met two people. This guy's gonna win. Yeah, Taryn had met two people. I met the voter and the grenade and I drafted them both. Yeah.

Maybe it's a using. Maybe you're like some sort of ghost. Listen, tell me. You've met this person in person. You have a pick between that one person and one other person left in the draft. You're going to make them the last pick? Fair enough.

To be fair, I did this with Claire and that didn't go well and maybe we should stop drafting people on that metric. I think it's actually a very bad way to go. Doesn't seem that way for Taryn and Andy. It seems like everything's going great over there. Well, fair enough. That might be the exception

that proves the rule. Otherwise, it hasn't gone well. Genevieve, though, I think her pet peeves turned out to be exactly correct, that she is sharp, she is cutthroat, and she is just as deadly

as I hoped she would be based on her pet peeves about airports. In fact, when I met her cousin, she grilled me about my airport etiquette. So, yeah, well, the problem is that Genevieve's pet peeve is Taryn. She doesn't like people who line up before it's their turn to get on the airplane. Taryn is the first one in line, boarding group A.

If you ever see that as a pet peeve, on the airplane. Taryn is the first one in line. Boarding group A, okay? Imagine if it was just Taryn. If you ever see that as a pet peeve, will you drive that person out of pure respect or will that be like a pet peeve for you forever? What I will say is there are at least four people who thought about me when writing their

pet peeves this season. Really? Your impact. But can we say as well, and this is important, Andy's pet peeve was cherry-picked stats. And now as we're saying, the stats of the new era are always cherry-picked. Even just like Kyle's immunity run. Yeah, like Shannon's

average average. I'm actually able to share my screen later on. You really shouldn't be allowed to. I'll make sure that we don't. For for the sake of the gameplay genevieve she's made some fun moves right oh yeah yeah what are genevieve's claim to fame for this season what's like the crowning achievement what's her what is her biggest moment yeah oh that's tough you know i feel like there's been quite a there's been a lot there's been a lot like where i think for me though it has to be it always you always remember

the first and the kishan ouster i think was my favorite um of her moves because the realization of like ah he can go he's expendable was great. Because I was one of the people, I was in the camp of, I don't know if the Saul boot is for you. Like, I don't know if that's something you need to happen right now. But I think the thing I've loved about Genevieve, and I think this is true when they give you the edit,

they give you in the beginning, is that my expectations for Genevieve were very low, especially after Genevieve's entire arc for the first three episodes was, I like Rome, I'm going to work with him. And then we just don't hear from her for three episodes. So to then see this player that's been hiding in plain sight really make her appearance onto the game to the point where there is respect there and there is genuine fear in the heart of some of these players. They not hey listen the Canadians are back Chappelle okay the Canadians

are doing it I think the best Genevieve moment is Rome and Teenie coming to her being like they're trying to get out Rome Genevieve and her being like oh man sucks what are we going to do sorry not Rome they're trying to get out Saul

yeah the facial expressions in the last tribal council as well her versus Gabe it's all been fun but What are we going to do? Sorry, not rope. They're trying to get us all. Yeah. The facial expressions in the last Tribal Council as well. Her versus Gabe. It's all been fun. But to your point, Pouya, the Canadians be doing the things in the new era. And that bodes well for Taryn as the person who drafted the Canadians. So, yeah, we will see what happens there. I don't have a lot to say about John Lovett.

I wasn't a fan going into the season, so I didn't really know him too much. So when Rob picked him, I was very surprised. He was dead last on my pet peeve list. Yeah. Shannon, did you have a good pet peeve list? John Lovett? Not a good pet peeve. You gotta go with a good pet peeve. He was the one that teased me with all the, he's like, oh,

I've got too many pet peeves to list. But he was a couple of them uh and it's like two of them he's like yeah it was just like no no no it's a lot of people have a lot of pet peeves i literally mentioned my pet peeves in my wedding speech for my brother two weeks ago taron how that's what i'm saying don't be like oh man i'm full of pet peeves you know like uh like you know people who use their phones at red lights yeah right and it's like what that's it yeah it's like someone was like i'm a big movie person i love movies okay what's your favorite movie and it's the most obvious dark knight right it's like come on it's like that's it that's all

you got oh great movie um yeah like yeah that is true i am working on my pet peeve master list okay um that i'm gonna send to you taron once it's ready it's gonna be categorized um i did i searched pet peeve in my chat with my brother and 37 hits came up so i need to like scroll through that and make sure they're all there and then like have the actual list so that when i say i'm someone who's full of pet peeves it's not just generic and vague it's very specific and like warranted so yeah i get it i'm looking at the one right now was this article edited uh they added some after the fact they added some after the fact that's not the article that we got originally yeah we had two because i'm seeing like if i read this one i would be a little happier with his pet because he said people who cut lines

and then act confused i think that was one of the ones that was originally that people bring a full cart to self-checkout at the grocery store people use their phones at red lights and i'm sorry i'm sorry but people are obsessed with horoscopes you aren't single because of mercury um yeah pretty good one no we had we had two different articles with pet peeves that was the second one that dropped um he described himself as a gay larry david and i was thinking was thinking Larry David cannot win Survivor. But a lot of people, Shannon, were very surprised that John was not the winner of the season. A lot of people were saying, like, I only was watching the show to see John. I'm leaving now.

Were you shocked by John's placement? Yeah, they love it or left it. I said I would have drafted John Lovett. I was saying that I hoped that he would fall to me in last place. And I thought that he might have based on how the drafts were going. And, you know, I was a Mike White voice fan of John Lovett. I thought he was a really fun narrator. He was like a huge character who gave up his time,

a huge personality in the world who gave up his time to be on Survivor. And I think he could have been great. And I don't think him leaving makes a ton of sense. Like at the time I was like, they should have got rid of Andy. And like, I might stand by that considering i think that they kept andy for physical reasons that hasn't panned out um and he's like tell that to the editors yeah for the challenges made like for the actual benefit of the challenges if that's what they want um maybe it's panned out for the actual tribe mates trying to win i don't think they were winning with andy and now he's got like

a vendetta list you know he has had against them so i probably would have stuck with john and i don't really think it was his fault that he went and i think like he was kind of a yeah like i didn't think that it was so earned like tk was earned as a second like john i didn't feel was super super and i would have taken him and i'm not i'm not harsh on rob for that but i'll still make fun of him and that's where i sit with it yeah uh we do have to continue making fun of rob a little bit, but I would go easy on him with this pick as well. Sierra, I think is a solid pick.

I think that we see it when the merge actually starts, right? When we actually get, not the pre-merge, not the merge-atory, but when we get to the jury phase of the game, right? Sierra is looked at as, okay, her and Sam are a duo, but also she is the bigger threat. You know, people are still talking about, like, if we were voting out the weaker people, Sierra would not be sitting on the jury.

I think that she had a good showing. She clearly was in a power position in her tribe. She's got good social relationships. And I think she could have done well, but, you know, the numbers just weren't in her favor and she went. Does anybody have any strong feelings about Sierra as a player? Or is she more just, like, tied to Sam's legacy as this duo, Pouya? No, to me, there was definitely more to Sierra than just that.

I feel like for one, watching her individual relationship with Andy was very fascinating to me. She ends up being the person that Andy gives the Sean the Dark to his collateral. I feel like I there was like a little bit not a long time but there was a little bit in that right before we we all group up where I was like you know there's a world where we might have to break out the stat sheets to see who gets second place this season like I wasn't out on her as having potential to get the crown that was short-lived obviously and then the boot happens anyway uh but I think she was a player with quite a bit of potential, and I'm not going to lie to you, Sierra was very low on my list.

Very low, to the point where when Rob picked Sierra, John Sierra back-to-back, I was like, is Rob just like doesn't even care? Like what's going on here? Because I was very skeptical, but I was proven wrong. I think Sierra is a worthy player. Okay, yes. I was a big fan of sierra as well uh we then move on to taryn's pick of kyle and kyle was pretty low on my list i think i think

he might have been pretty close to last uh maybe john lovin was last but i think i think kyle was maybe the last person on my list i just didn't see it um i had no clue shannon that we were about to deal with somebody who was going to win on the track to win the most immunities in Survivor history with an asterisk. Are we cherry picking stats? Three different asterisks. But again, it's not his fault. It's a new era's fault. Everything is an asterisk.

You know, everything's not what it says it is. New era records are different. I think that's maybe where I have to sit with it after days about just really seething with this. Yeah, I mean, Kyle was low for me because I thought, you know, too nice for the game. And that has been the edit. I don't think I thought Challenge Beast necessarily. So, you know, on average draft placement, he's gone pretty well. But is Kyle winning?

I don't think we think Kyle is winning, right? It would be tough. He would have to. We feel like he'd have to win a couple more challenges Taryn this is your pick what do you think about of your draft picks do you think Kyle has the least chance of winning um at this point yeah I mean I don't

think you have in the game which is such a flex yeah it is I don't think it's impossible um and honestly if somebody won out via challenges this is how i would want their edit to be and not like one world um so you know that wouldn't be like the worst thing in the world but uh but it doesn't seem super likely at this point now what i did think was funny was like

this whole thing about like um uh did kyle say tweedle d and tweedle dumb i know yeah he did say it though right this whole what i because what i've seen is like ah i knew it he's not the guy we thought he was or like i don't know guys i don't think he would have done that because he seems like a really nice guy meanwhile i'm like how is anybody even remotely this sounds exactly like what he would say really yeah yeah tweedleee and Tweedledum? That sounds like exactly the kind of insult he would come up with. That's because he's such a nice dude. I don't think that's nice.

You're stupid. That is stupid. Tweedledee and Tweedledum. You guys are still okay with being called Tweedledee and Tweedledum? And Mike and Leanna also were like, please call us that? I don't ever want anyone to call me Tweedledum. I will cry. There are so many worse things out there to be called though is the point my my skin is right like i don't even want something that's much better than that probably yeah but that's the

thing though even even when andy's talking about it he goes well that i didn't think that was very nice like that sounds just like an interaction that andy and kyle could have had like tweedledee and tweedledum and andy's like that sounds like the sort of thing that kyle would have said like when very in the middle of being very frustrated like oh man i can't stand that tweedle d and tweedle dumb over there you know yeah yeah it's me to call someone tweedle dumb i will die on the hill it's it might be mean but it's like the least what i'm saying is it's less mean than most other things you can call people yeah yeah it's like someone someone's stubbing their toe and saying mother trucker you know it's like you're not saying the thing you're saying yeah

you're saying the the pg thing right uh so yeah kyle has an immunity run uh right now i mean he didn't he didn't win all the challenges. He hasn't even won all the challenges that he won immunity on, but he got immunity, and that's the point. He's got four immunity wins thus far. You know, we know that there's, what, five guys with five immunity wins

that would be in front of him stat-wise, but, I mean, he wins this one. He would only have to win one more to be the ultimate, I guess, the person with the most immunity wins in Survivor history, and that's something to talk about. I think if he makes it to the end, he would have a good chance to win the game.

Because when you win a bunch of immunities, you don't have to betray a lot of people either. But one person who would find that really hard to deal with, who would be fighting tooth and nail to keep that from happening, would be Puyo's next pick, Sue. Puyo hates Kyle. Does she? I feel like they've not shown that on the show in the secret scene yeah she alluded to hating kyle she said you'll miss it there was a whole montage in this last episode yeah it was funny as half of the next time on last the week before as well was just

the montage from this week it's so funny that these two are not on the same page uh at all pretty much from the get-go and are still both here still cohabitating it's a little bit of like the the ned flanders thing a little bit unless he's calling them tweedle d and tweedle dumb although that does sound like an insult that sounds like well you wouldn't it's too mean for ned Flanders. No, but the Deedly part is right there. It's a Deedly joke that Ned Flanders

perverted him. That is true. Definitely the edit we're getting is like, I hate him more than anything in the world. It cuts to Carl and he's the most

unassuming, innocuous person you've ever seen in your life, which is sad for Carl, but it is hilarious. Yeah, but Sylvie is 45. So she's an older woman in this game.

Taryn, what do you think about her, and this beef, but also her, you know, her ability to win the game at this point? She's not winning. The edit is not there. It hasn't been there for a while, but like also that kind of montage, especially when we're supposed to kind of like Kyle,

I think was definitely not meant to set her up for success in terms of perception um so uh yeah i don't think it's happening i will say i feel very good about my two picks uh after like losing out on teeny sam and rachel getting genevieve and kyle over basically the field there i feel very good about yeah well those are literally the two next people in the game. So that's... Yeah, I feel like to me, Sue being someone who's had an idol for forever now

and we're just not seeing... For me, I'm not seeing enough of Sue's thoughts on where the direction of things should go. I feel like initially it looked like, okay, Sue was kind of the main character of this alliance. And then we got to merge and it promptly flipped to, this is Caroline's alliance and Sue is in it. And that shift combined with the fact

that all we're getting from Sue is, oh yeah, let's hear back from Sue. Sue, I hate Kyle. All right, back to the studio. Thank you. That's all we're getting from sue right now i think i'm about to end up with the very similar trajectory of where i was last season which is probably third place at best is where it will yeah be great for your average

placement um yeah well that is true but we're gonna get to this if you were rob you know last season you could still win yeah yeah that's true that's true um but we're going to get to this. If you were Rob, you know, last season, you could still win. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Shannon, we haven't talked about the dirt. Sue's contouring with this dirt. You are a former model. Tell me about it.

Do you support this in Survivor? This is like the best of both worlds for you. As a survivor, it's modeling, it's makeup. Let's talk about it. I don't love modeling and makeup. I don't know know how to contour but i know not to do that you know it's the same way where people are like we can't talk about survivor because we've not been on but like i know what not to do that's how i feel about the contouring i think for contrary you would probably need a mirror i think that's very specific um and like makeup hot take i like it okay oh well let's get on that okay i think it's

why what about it wait you don't like paint war lines on your face to like look good you know what i mean like i think it looks cool she's not trying to look good so that's why it's she's trying to look good i guess what i'm saying you're not doing like war lines to be like for like uh you know to be like oh i, I'm adhering to beauty standards. You do it because it looks cool. And I like the aesthetic. Yeah, she she does look like she's playing Survivor. And I think that's one thing we might have lost in the new era since they're only there for a couple of days. Is that like Sue looks like she's been playing the game.

OK, she's been playing the game. So I love Sue. She's been a fun character. But yeah, I think you have to squint really hard to see a world where she wins the game okay she's been playing the game and so i i love sue she's been a fun character but yeah i think you'd have to squint really hard to see a world where she wins the game uh but uh you know crazier things have happened we've seen some crazy wins in the new era we have we have seen some crazy things i guess that is this is what this is the worst part about gabriel's win is that now nothing has meaning nothing's like well they can't do that but gabriel did it it's like well then there's no there's no bar or context to anything we've ever done. Also, there is no asterisk, I will

say, winning the New Year. I just want to... No, no. Listen, we're all just making fun here, but the Erica win was not something that was telegraphed. Taryn had a great pick, and a lot of people did not see that coming. So I'm just saying that here's a way that they've been... And it would be okay.

You know what I'm saying? So we'll see what happens there been and it would be okay you know i'm saying so we'll see what happens there uh it wouldn't be crazy than gabler at this point though it would just be another crazy thing that happened as far as i'm concerned you know just like chalk it up to the new era um that said liana had a pick that i thought was fine in the moment but um she might have been one of the most popular survivor contestants we've seen in a while. Because the Saul pick, I mean, people are talking about universally beloved. I mean, if Andy has to go up against somebody to come back for Survivor 50, I think he's going to have a run for his money. If he's trying to win a popularity contest against Saul. Puyo, what did you think about the Saul pick in the moment?

And how do you feel like it has aged since that day? A little behind the moment. And how do you feel like it has aged since that day? A little behind the scenes. While we were making our coffees before getting on the draft, Liana and I were kind of like talking back and forth what our thoughts were generally. That's not cool. I mean, listen, y'all can message each other or you can call me. I'll allow it. No one wants to talk to me but my wife.

I think until two of us live together you're gonna have to separate is that another asterisk put the asterisk on both of them acid for booyah acid for liana that's just it's not cool you guys are like robin and abba coming back and winners of war together like it's cute but is it allowed but should it be allowed anyway so tell me what happened when y'all talked when y'all pre-gamed about saw yes we pre-gamed the draft. So what happened was we both realized we're higher on Saul than what we've heard a lot of people be. Because a lot of people were like, I'm not seeing it. He's talking about having this energy.

Where's the energy? And so I knew going in that we both like him. So when I picked Tiana and Liana has this very audible reaction that she wanted Tiana, I was like, I feel kind of bad, you know. So we're getting to the backswing here. I'm looking at the four remaining, and I was like, I want Saul. No! I'm not about to do this to Liana again. No.

I'm just going to pick Sue. Oh, that's not cool. That's fine. That's not cool. Why? Why is it not Shannon? Because when we committed to doing the draft, we said we would put it before anything in our lives, including our spouses, okay? I didn't sign no contract. I didn't sign a contract. I didn't sign a contract.

You don't have the contract? No, I've been off the books, I guess. Sam, what's going on? Why doesn't he wear it? If we didn't get the contract, then his win is null. I think that's in the fine print. Sorry, you have to assign this in blood.

Wait, so you let a pig go? Yeah. Jared cannot understand this. I'm going to tell you a true story. This is how Dee won. This is how Dee won. You call me Austin? I'm Austin here?

You got Austin. Did you, Dee? Well, low key. I mean, look, though. Saul left. Sue's still there. So, like, I agree. Puyo, you shouldn't give up a better pick for Liana that you want.

One time I was playing Exploding Kittens with Peter, and I put the – does anyone play Exploding Kittens? No. Oh, it's really good. But I put the bomb back in a place where Peter immediately would go, and it was like a big game. He's like, now I'm going to have to sit out for, like, an hour. Why did you do that? I was like, it was strategically a big game he's like now i'm gonna have to sit out for like an hour why did you do that i was like it was strategically optimal he's like you don't always have to do the strategically optimal thing and i was like i don't

understand what you're saying right now it's like you're speaking a different language and we went back and forth and it was a legitimate argument so i just i don't get it puya i mean i respect your marriage but i don't understand it i think that's where i'm at with it well i think ultimately for me i was like it's gonna i want her to have sol and like i'm okay with it. Well, I think ultimately for me, I was like, it's going to, I want her to have Saul. And like, I'm okay with that. I'm content. Yeah.

Why not? Is that true love? Well, you know, it's funny. It was funny though. If like, let's say I found out I was watching Taryn's stream where he was like going through the pet peeves. If I find out that Taryn really likes someone that I kind of like, but I'm not seeing it as much. And it's like me and Taryn left and I feel good about like the other person. I'm fine to have Taryn really likes someone that I kind of like, but I'm not seeing it as much, and it's like me and Taryn left,

and I feel good about the other person, I'm fine to have Taryn get his. What? What are you saying right now? You know what, Pouya? I'm with you. That's why I sometimes ask Shannon which one she would prefer. I'm trying to trick her, but I'm actually just letting her take one. And you give her who she wants.

We saw you give her who she wants that one time. No, because that was to mess with my mind. Yeah. This is how she rationalizes it in her brain. You think we're here to scam and deceive? We're just trying to draft and banter. That's really the truth. I don't understand any of you.

The fact that you guys, you care so little and you've all won. It's just not fair. But we're going to get to the spreadsheet. I definitely bowed out at one point to make sure that puya could get venus for sure you know i was like yeah i know you did you did let me get venus because she's persian that's my guy right there yeah i understand that's important and i'm still against it but you see how we're able to do that and still win you know you might want to take some notes so moving on we have uh my pick caroline and i was down to picking caroline

or kishan. And I really couldn't decide because neither one of them was that low on my list, but neither of them stood out. And so I remember going over her bio and saying, like, she just feels like very middle of the road. And I was like, and that's solid, right? Back in the day, we looked for those type of players, like the ones who could kind of just blend in.

And so I said, let's go for it. And I am so happy with this pick. I don't know's go for it. And I am so happy with this pick. I don't know how she could win. I don't really see how the pieces line up, but if she does, man, I would be so proud of this win. Caroline has been a good character throughout

finding herself in that alliance with Gabe early on. She's been very social. A lot of people want to play with Caroline. She makes a big flip this time. She seems like she's strategically tapped in. I't know shannon i know you said my team is like the fourth most likely to win but i have caroline and suit and sam i think they're fine you don't think caroline can win the game well i would put her and sam some version of fourth and fifth but i don't think them combined even gets to the level of the top three for me if that makes

sense I've got like Rachel, Tini, Andy, Gap, Sarah, Caroline, Gap, Genevieve, Kyle, Sue so like even combining that but like yeah I think you have two possible options I don't think they're ruled out fully for me but I like heavily favor the first three if that makes sense I mean look between Caroline and Kishan and I felt pretty even about them too you have someone in the game who does have i think some win potential i don't know that the edit is usually there for caroline and i love caroline um position right now isn't amazing based on how this gabe vote went i didn't agree with the move and then i also think the perception you know it's like it's gabe as a juror he seems to respect caroline a little bit more but it's been the wounded

birds perception and even someone like tiana who's not on the jury but she comes out in the exit interview and was so like yeah they were his wounded birds and i'm like is that how you guys all still think and what the jury might have thought because i don't agree and i hate it um and i'm concerned for her if so so those are my question marks but i love caroline i'd like to see it happen um i'd rather have her than kishan she'll at least on placement versus the chance as well. So I think it's pretty good. Which I recall you being

very much like, well, I don't understand any of you. Why would you leave me Kishan? You are all idiots. No, no. That's not what happened. I think she called me Twiddle Dee. She called you Twiddle Dumb. I don't know. I felt fine about both

I didn't hugely stand out about either It wasn't like he was a top pick for me And that's where I was with both of them I think, without a shadow of a doubt Chappelle, I think Jarnan was the seal of the draft I think no debates had I think being one of the Last two picks here

Someone who, even Shannon By your metric, if she's like there's a drop and she's four or five contender, that's top four or five baby. Like, that's really good. And again, I do think coming into the midway point of the season, I didn't know what her story was. But the first couple episodes of the merge, I was like, oh, my God, has this been Caroline's story all along? And we're about to see a win happen. That has dropped for me. Like I said, the last couple of weeks, a little bit of a drop now. But I've been loving what I'm seeing. I feel like her energy is infectious. Watching her cheer on everybody for a small accomplishment.

This is who Andy wanted from the get go. This is who Andy wanted at the coconuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah coconuts. Yeah, my coconut. Why isn't she being mean to people? Yeah, she got some Chappelle energy, man. I am a cheerleader throughout for all the people. I'm rooting for everybody except Shannon here. But Pouya, I have to imagine, you know, Caroline wins this. This would be like one of those, like, it feels almost like a come from behind victory, even though she's

never really been at the bottom. You know, it felt like there was moments where she could have been at the bottom, but the moment she links up with Sue, the moment she links up with gabe they really have just been running that that tribe uh and now um you know in the in the previews it's looking like there might be a shift maybe there's another five forming and caroline might be in the number so i'm not i'm kind of like i said i'm very high on this pick even though it was so low on my draft list yeah i don't think you can counter up by any means at all um yeah aaron if you don't win the draft with one of your three picks you're rooting for my team right caroline sam you gotta be right i'm second in your rankings about any of us he's like hold on hold on let him let him speak let him talk Let them speak. Let them talk. I'm rooting for Teenie more than...

If it's not me and Andy, it's got to be Teenie. Why? Because I know Teenie more than I know the rest of them. Rooting for the person who voted out Asia is crazy. Rooting for the person who voted out Asia, you see it. That Mount Rushmore means a lot less now.

Speaking of people who voted out Asia, your last pick, Shannon. I mean, you didn't really have a choice at this point, but I did give you the option to go before me and you did not. Kashan, how do you think things went for Kashan? Because I would say valiant effort and a decent exit edit-wise. It was kind of cool. I will say his boot episode was a rollercoaster.

There's been a lot of rollercoasters, but it was like, oh, he's emerged and he might win and that would be great for me. And then he was out so immediately. So that, you know, like in the space of 30 minutes, he emerged and then was cut. I was like the first few episodes, I'm like, you know, he got like an establishing confessional. I was deluding myself a little bit.

Didn't go great, you know. The fact that Rob and I were trading boots for the first four episodes and no one had lost anyone was not how I intended to start the show. That was the consolation prize that first month. We lost Asia. I'm very sad. But the draft board's looking

so sweet. I wasn't enjoying it. Kashan's one of Genevieve's most memorable victims for sure. That's when we saw that the new era editing is getting kind of spicy too. I love it.

Kashan, he's like in the back of Genevieve's mind and she's remembering like, he did say that. I can't believe he did. Also, the second that happened, I knew he was gone and then i just had to watch that amazing of course right exactly then for the next 20 minutes i just had to sit and watch him get voted out and know that i was losing my second person in a month and i was i was really

sad um and now i'm happy because of rachel but it's been a long time coming and i'm really just i'm glad that i got to come onto this draft and my most coffee and my most confident so yeah having one player left would make me very confident rachel the most likely to win check the chat check with the chat things is this your worst average draft placement i'm so glad you asked oh amazing segway sam bring it up bring up this no sam don't bring it up because we're on an hour and 20 minutes and I do have a podcast that I was very clear that I needed to go and do. I mean, it was a pretty simple question.

I don't think you need a spreadsheet for it. Shannon, it was a yes or no question. It really was. Let's all just guess and say that it probably is. But this has been so much fun talking to y'all, catching up. And I really had to humble myself and come into

this thinking like, okay, you're not going to... Sam, we have to go. I literally have to go, Sam. I'm not playing. So, listen. He really doesn't. I know he has another 25 minutes. I have a thing. So, Rob's fact check is in the chat. It's his spreadsheet. Yeah, just tell go follow

Rob's fact checker and i have the spreadsheet open right now too i look at it this is a great plan i will read about the spreadsheet yes without her own her very own podcast called survivor global shannon tell us what's coming up next on survivor global so glad you asked so if you look at the stats is this my worst or um survivor ranking is it not on the screen on survival global people are losing the visual aid but her worst average draft placement was season 44 this is her second worst okay then we have the answer taryn we're currently 12 points it was a pleasure having you as well taryn please tell us where

people can find you in the meantime uh find me on twitch you know hanging out uh i've got a a scripted show podcast and you know what i will say you know i said i was rooting for teeny but i will also say i'm actually very pleased with all of the winning winning contenders here yes i'm a huge fan of rachel i do really like sam um and uh and i'm i'm like very very pleased i think with with most outcomes this season yeah i'm a fan of all our potential winners here puya i know you're loving this season what else are you working on in the meantime as well well chappelle i'm loving a lot of seasons of television right now survivor has been very near and dear lovely this year um both seasons actually i feel like i've nailed it but i've been watching traders canada and that

has been so good scally and i were talking about how we think this is in our top three of all i just caught up you did oh there we go taryn and it is my favorite trader season i've watched there we go taryn love that better than uk one because uk when i were insane okay those people were nuts those people it beats the u.s ones by far so taryn you're on point for that aaron those people they thought those people were literally getting murdered in that castle and you cannot tell me different um what else you got puya uh 90 day fiance has been good scally is actually joining me for a double header this week we're going to talk about that that season's also been a lot of fun and leon and i are doing

our mass singer coverage um last season Masked Singer that we're covering ever before we move on to a different project that's coming soon. Shannon, you have 30 seconds. The graphics are up. You have 30 seconds and I will silence a woman. No.

People want the spreadsheet. This podcast is ending in the next spreadsheet go okay sam i'm mad at you tarin thank you okay let's do these 20 seconds please let me please let me go through this if you see on the number of first place for average draft places i have three of seven seasons that's crazy not to mention two times five of seven seasons in the top two is insane this one hasn't gone as well and 44 didn't go as well but if you see no one else even has more than one average draft placement first place everyone else has more than zero

Shannon thank you for sharing that with us. Look at this. This is incredible. Look at these guys. I have tweeted them before. So everyone can see. Again, Rob's Fact Checker on Blue Sky, Twitter, Instagram. Great follow. And this is a great spreadsheet. Shout out to them for keeping it updated. It is kind of funny. If you look at the order for this season,

it's the reverse order of the overall ratings. Oh, the draft order? Yeah. What do you mean? For the average draft placement right now is one two three four five in the opposite direction of the leaderboard yeah right um and and shannon thank you for sharing that and for me you can catch me here on rjp talking about the summit with taryn uh on rjp scripted talking about the sex lives of college girls uh talking about house of Villains with Jenny

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Times yeah but you didn't put up the spreadsheet No 12 times okay All right done with that The spreadsheet was great. Sam asked me to plug that when you guys are all in Houston having fun, I'm going to be having my own fun with Evie on the after show. I meant to plug it. Hey! My provider global will be Nick.

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