RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 47 Pre-Game Day 5: Jon Lovett & Rachel Lamont

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

Today, Rob and Mike discuss the next two players on the Gato tribe, Pod Save America's Jon Lovett and Rachel Lamont.

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We got a good one here today. Two more Survivor players to talk about here with the man who talked to them all. Give it up for Mike Bloom. Rob, got a light? Because this tribe is smoking. Smoking? Because there's so much great heat coming from them in the various interviews I got to do with them.

Was this a 1994 mask reference well listen somebody stop them exactly that's really what we're trying to focus on the gameplay is so fast that it's like they're moving uh through a loki inspired cartoon what happened to all the gotta puns of like, you gotta be kidding me. I just asked gotta light, Rob, and you said we got a good one. Yeah, gotta light. Okay. You focused on smoking. You completely barreled over gotta light. Sorry, my bad.

My bad. Okay. I think this is more 1990s parlance. I think this is all out. Let's start again. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. We are ready to talk about two more Survivor contestants today. And we're ready to talk about two more survivor contestants today uh and we're going to talk about john lovett and rachel okay mike of course uh we are on day five if you missed any of these make sure you're subscribed drop us a website.com slash subscribe or watch them all on youtube uh we released our john lovett interview back on the day of the cast release.

Seemed like a newsworthy thing to do. But today we're going to watch it in full and then, of course, give our thoughts on that and then talk about Rachel. Anything you want to set up here about John Lovett? Yes, we got Lovett and Lamont today. Sounds like an accounting firm and we are accounting on them to do well in this game. But let's talk about John Lovett here. Let's do a little bit of like, I was going to say IMD bags, but I guess it really is just more so a background check on John Lovett

because he's not necessarily known for his onscreen work. I think that if you want to put it in like political, there's like we want to like do some vetting. There we go. Do some vetting. We're doing some some on the ground polling. We don't have any oppo right now on john love it well we'll see how much oppo he has in the game so john love it for those who don't know so he ended up uh kind of starting wanting to become this like simultaneous political speech writer slash screen writer and in doing some research on him in

preparation for today discovered some pretty wild things about his career. Like, of course, he is ends up getting a foot in the door in terms of politics when he works for the Obama White House. Apparently, he won an anonymous letter writing contest to earn that role. He participated, of course, in the Obama White House, where also apparently he officiated secretly the first same sex marriage in the White House before the Obama administration officially, for lack of a better term, came out in favor of same sex marriage. But John Lovett did. John Lovett did. Yeah, that's. So listen, move over, Jeff. We've got a new officiator that could possibly take over. Lovett also moved on from working in the White House, but not too far because he was the co-creator and writer and executive producer of a short lived NBC show called Sixteen Hundred Pen. Do you remember this one, Rob?

Yeah, I hear it was very good. Yeah. So, yeah, listen, you know how to you've learned from past mistakes. We should say that Josh Gad, right? Josh Gad, Bill Pullman, I believe. Yeah, Bill Pullman plays the president once again. Once again, talk about 1990s throwbacks there. Jenna Elfman shown up there as well. More 90s throwbacks there.

And then probably most prominently now, Love It was one of these people who started alongside another unfortunately named speechwriter in Jon Favreau and Tommy, a podcast called Keeping It 1600 for the 2016 election. Yes, that was part of the I'm not sure if it was I guess it was the early days of the ringer. And that's where that started. And yeah, I was an early adopter. Yeah. And so the adoption continued. It was not just a foster home as after the 2016 election, the two Johns and Tommy decided to stay on and continue podcasting. And they, of course, have developed over the next near decade, Pod Save America.

They developed John Lovett has done his own podcast called Love It or Leave It. And really, and you can speak to this a little bit, Rob, as well. They have used this to parlay the creation of their own umbrella network known as Crooked Media. And so John is able to obviously bring a lot of skills from a creativity perspective, but also from an organizational perspective as well. Yeah, this is very exciting to see John, who is a very funny guy and see him here on Survivor. Nobody knew he was a Survivor fan, I guess, except for his inner circle. And he's going to talk about that with you.

So why don't we go ahead and listen to your interview with John? And then we will come back and talk about how we think he's going to do. How are you doing right now? I know that it's probably just been sitting in anticipation. I know you were probably used to talking, so I can imagine sitting in silence for so long has been a little bit of a miserable existence. You know what?

I think it's good for me to shut the fuck up. So I think that that's been probably a good thing. I'm glad I've had the chance to do that for a few days. Good to talk to you, though. Nice to talk to you. I was going to say, we're about to open up that valve right now, and I'm excited to see what flows out. Well, to start, you know, I think there might be some people that are familiar with you, but just in case, why don't you give your name, your age and your occupation? My name is John Lovett. I'm 41 and I am a podcast host.

I mean, that's kind of putting it mildly. I mean, I would go so far as to say media empire guru, but... Yeah, I am a co-host of a show called Pod Save America. I host a live show that tours called Love It or Leave It. And with my friends, John and Tommy, we started a company called Crooked Media, it. And with my friends, John and Tommy, we started a company called Crooked Media, which is meant to be a place for people who are pretty frustrated by politics, but still care about democracy. And we're really proud of how it managed to take off and build like a really amazing community. So, yeah. There are people who play this game. They're like, I'm so excited to get unplugged from the world for 26 days. I would imagine for someone whose job is to follow politics, that counts like doubly for you.

Yeah, yes. I like, look, it's the middle of a very important election year. So it was really excited to do this and really excited to have five weeks to focus on strange experiment in deprivation and democracy for a few weeks. And like, I'm going to come out of this and hit the ground running covering the presidential election, the Senate elections, the house elections, the down ballot elections. And we

have like a whole bunch of shows planned. Like I'm going to come out of this and just hit the road and whatever shape I'm in. But for now, yes, I handing over my phone and just being completely disconnected. I don't think I've ever done it for 48 hours, let alone to do it for five weeks. let alone to do it for five weeks. So let's talk about what got you into this, as you call it, strange experiment of deprivation and democracy. I'm color me surprised to find out that like you're a survivor fan and wanted to be on the show.

So talk to me about your history with watching the show and what made you decide to say, this is something I want to do. So I watched the first season when it aired. I was in high school and I loved it. My family wasn't watching it. I was watching it alone. And I remember in the final moments before Richard Hatch won and it becoming clear that he would running around my house, just screaming to people who didn't understand what was going on. My parents had no idea what, what I, why I was losing my mind over this, but I was riveted by it.

I loved it and I kept up with it. And then I stopped watching as I went into politics and came back to it in the last couple of years. But I came back to it while I was hosting a show. And because I didn't want to be spoiled, I've never talked about Survivor on the show. And this has happened to me a bunch of times with a bunch of different shows. I want to let people know that I'm like catching up to this thing. But if I say it, somebody is going to find a way to spoil the show. So I've literally not talked about it on, on these podcasts. And by the way, like I didn't even Google survivor because I was afraid of spoilers as I made my play through the last two dozen seasons

and so I like I came into this like it was really very organic like I was watching survivor with a few friends we were catching up together and the more I watched I would kind of open up a notes document on my computer and like write little thoughts down that were like the formation of what a video might be if I answered Jeff's plea in the commercial. And the more I started writing down a story of why I wanted to be on Survivor, the more I believed it. And the more I was excited about the possibility. Well, let's have you refer maybe back to the notes doc that you were compiling. Give me one Survivor winner and one non-winner who you identify with the most. Survivor non-winner.

I feel like Penner is one that I related to, not for good and for ill, right? Because what I appreciated about how he played and what I saw that reminded me of how I might play are both the ways in which he was very smart and strategic, but also the ways in which he might come on a little too strong. And I thought in that there was something that I had a kinship with. I like,

I really love the way Sophie played in, in, in her season that she won. And I just appreciated her intellect and how she approached the game those are the two that come to mind so is your i would say like identity in a manner of speaking like your job obviously uh you do have some name some renown is this something you plan on you know being explicit about do you think this is something that people could find threatening given it's a game where anyone can find anything threatening yeah well that's a good question

and i really even now as i sit here i'd like to tell you that i have some like grand answer to it i i do plan to feel it out but i also we see this all the time. Someone's like, oh, I'm 19, but I'm going to say I'm 22. Like I'm a lawyer, but I'm going to say I'm a law student. And maybe that helps them. I don't know. I'm inclined to think that any way in which I feel like I need to deceive people is a bit self-aggrandizing. Like, I'm just going to be honest. Like I, I host a comedy podcast. Like I, I'm like, I've had success in podcasting. If someone's like, oh, wow. Like, you know, like, I don't know, like if someone here maybe knows the show, like I can say, oh, that's great. That's exciting.

I'm a podcast host. Most embarrassing job in the world. You know, I like, I don't, I don't, I just, I don't want to build it up. I don't want to, I don't want to play it down.

I just kind of want to hit the middle with it. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give me your biggest superpower and your biggest piece of kryptonite coming into this game. Cause I would imagine on paper being in a job that's all about communication

and reading votes. I'd imagine that was a superpower. But is that the number one for you? That's interesting. that I think at my best, I have an intensity that can be persuasive and charismatic and can bring people along. And at the same time, it can also, I think, turn people off and push people away. So I have this, you know, I don't want to hide, you know, I don't want to not be myself in the hopes that I, instead of playing to win, try to play not to lose and then never show who I am in the event that I do go home before I win. before I win. So I'm thinking about how to make sure that when I am being myself, that it's the version of myself that is persuasive and enticing and not off-putting and annoying.

Does that make sense? Yeah, definitely. What has your preparation been like? Because to say you have had a busy schedule would be putting it mildly. How have you been trying to get ready for this million-dollar adventure of a lifetime on top of all the other stuff you have? I have been... I am sure that you are talking to people that are here with me, steps away, that are here with me, steps away, that have been training for this impressively for months, if not years on end. And I would like to say that that's me. It is not. I have been doing some puzzles. I have been practicing a lot of different kinds of puzzles, not necessarily survivor specific puzzles, but just the different kinds of geometric and slide puzzles that you might see in this kind of game and, and jigsaw puzzles I've been practicing.

And in the most way possible, I've taken a lot of hot exercise classes. I've been trying to, I've been trying to, to get in shape in a very hot that was one of my my ways of preparing and

other than that I really I've been thinking a lot basically I thought about preparation one is play against other people the second is how to play against the game. And the third is how to play against myself. And what I mean by that is, yes, it's important to have some kind of strategic thinking about how you're going to approach this game. And it's important to think about how you'll deal with idols and advantages

and what it means when those come your way. But in the end, I do think more often than not, this game is won or lost by how people play against themselves, like how they manage their frustrations, their annoyances, their insecurities, their paranoias, their hopes, their expectations when they're hungry, when they're tired, when they haven't spoken to a person they can really trust in weeks and how to make sure when you're in that state, you aren't losing touch with your feelings

about the game or the other players, I think is the biggest challenge. And I don't know that I've, I don't know how you can prepare for that other than to think a lot about simple core approaches to keep in mind, touchstones to keep in mind when the going gets tough. You talk about playing against the other players and the people that are steps away. I'm sure you're making some vibes with people. You haven't been able to talk with each other, but who are you feeling out?

Who do you love it and who do you leave it? Who are some people that you're saying like, on the beach, first day, perfect. Best case scenario, ride or die. Again, I'm sure there are, I am getting scoped out and like evaluated left and right. Fine. I'm sure that's a valuable thing to do. I'm kind of stepping back and looking around and like, I, like, I'm just thinking like, who are the, where am I, where am I, where are my gays and my theys, you know, that's one thing. There's, there's somebody who brought a book of math puzzles and I'm feeling very good about that person. I'm also envious of their math puzzles. And, you know, it's, it's funny, no one can speak. And so everyone's trying to convey

warmth and openness. And what that ends up meaning is just everybody's kind of stoic and then their faces kind of catch each other and they shoot each other. These charismatic high water grins, the same ones that got them casted at each other over and over again. And I, there's a, yeah, I don't know. Well, what about on the other side? Is there anybody that you're not picking up some good vibe from?

Or to your point, is it just everyone's stonewalling so it's tough to discern? You know, there's a couple guys who have a kind of quiet confidence that I find threatening. You know, there's a lot of concern in this. Everyone is very aware of how they're being perceived and you feel that impacting

just their little movements through the world. You know, when you're at a restaurant and you're with a friend and you realize that on either side of you, there's somebody dining alone and you know that, that they're kind of listening because you know that you can't help it. You know, everyone here is dining alone. Everyone here is doing that. And you just see it kind of like, like you just see the kind of attention like wash back and forth across this group of people. And I am, I am, I am resistant. I feel it like the urge to be like, oh, they're my person. They're not my person. Maybe true. Maybe true.

But maybe not. So I'm fighting this maybe to my detriment. I don't know. Well, I know that you kind of removed yourself a bit from the online fandom to not spoil yourself. But I'm intrigued. What is your most controversial survivor opinion? Your hottest take about a season or a player? Here's my honest answer to that right now.

And again, famous last words. Man, putting us on, talking about this before the game, it's just, it's now, it's a piano hanging over our heads. Once the game starts, fine, fine. I'll tell you what has been my frustration, which is, and you see it even in this season, maybe to its extreme, this idea of you have to make big moves. You have to build your resume and up to and including when people say, oh, I may put myself in fire to prove that I deserve it. And, you know, I've never heard of somebody like in a war, nobody fights an extra battle to prove they're good at war. And, you know, I, I find this idea of like big moves for their own sake, a kind of performance of strategy, but not strategy.

It's, it's the, it's a kind of, it's the theater of strategy to put on a show for the jury to show that you understand how to be strategic or how to play the game. And I don't have an answer to it, but it, for whatever reason, it really kind of bugs me. It feels like, yeah, it feels performative. I don't know how to get around that because if that is ultimately what people value, then it is what is valuable. That's the nature of this game.

The group of people playing decides what has value. But that to me, I find a little bit strange. Right. It's tough to kind of rebuild the building while you're inside it. Last thing I want to ask is if you could bring out a celebrity or a fictional character

as a loved one for a loved one's visit, who are you picking and why? Hmm. What a question. You know what would be fun to have out here i'll tell you chelsea handler oh that would be funny i think people would really like that i'd like that what a funny person to show up yeah and listen everyone likes to get roasted at least a little bit light char and then she's somebody that could certainly light you up she'd be her own fire making challenge for sure well this was such a fantastic

time I mean I'm one of the people and I'm sure I'll be speaking on behalf of many who eventually will find out that you're on this that was shocked to your point that you were on this in the first place but this was such a delight to get to talk to you and I think to discover a new part of yourself and we're going to discover so much more over the next 26 days I hope so I hope so get to talk to you. And I think to discover a new part of yourself. And we're going to discover so much more over the next 26 days.

I hope so. I hope so. Nice to talk to you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. Well, all the best. I hope you are doing well in the lead up to the big day. And I'm looking forward to seeing what happens out there on the beach.

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the cast ahead of time just to prep for the interviews and so like my running train of thought was oh andy good for him i'm glad he made it on what the hell asia asia you know cardiac arrest ekg meter spiking man my way down the list it can't be that john love it right like it's just got to be a guy with the same name maybe it's john love it's instead and they left off the z well john love John Lovitz would be wild, famously an incredible liar. That's very true. And he might be taking over for the survivor devil, considering that was a role he infamously played on SNL.

But no, I mean, as we talk about, this is one of the biggest blind sides, I think, of anyone who follows John Lovitz. And understandably so, considering that, as he told me, he has pretty much kept his survivor fandom away from everybody because he knows the second that he goes public with it people will be storming

his DMs with like oh did you watch Eric give up the necklace oh did you watch Parvati play the two idols yeah um either people that are excited survivor fans or people who maybe disagree with his politics and want to intentionally spoil the seasons

here's the winner list disagree with his politics and want to intentionally spoil the seasons. What an ultimate troll move. Here's the winner list. That's a truly a way to own the libs is just send them survivor spoilers. Yeah. Yeah. Here's project 2025 and here's the winner of season 25. So John Lovett,

I've talked about this before, Rob, I really do feel like not since Ron Clark, have we had such a famous face in the form of John Lovett, I've talked about this before, Rob. I really do feel like not since Ron Clark have we had such a famous face in the form of John Lovett. Now, that being said, not to spoil my interviews too much, I did not have anyone outright identify him by name. So I don't know if it's going to happen. But it seems like John is saying no matter what, he's going to be fairly forthcoming with it. Yeah, I did. What did he say that by that? So what? I'm a podcaster. The dumbest job ever. like john is saying no matter what he's gonna be fairly forthcoming with it yeah uh i did what did he say that by that so what i'm a podcaster and the dumbest job ever was that what he said yeah

like you don't have to hit the drum that hard like okay exactly please don't neg the profession too much yeah you know and so like maybe you know, that there is like I mean, what is the danger here that they're going to say, like maybe in some sort of like final vote that he could get like, well, does he really need the money? Like, if anything, that could help him maybe get to the end. another accomplished person that there wasn't necessarily like people going like big game hunting of like, oh, that I am going after this person for a particular reason. And so maybe people even want to associate with him on the show. So, yeah, I don't think that there's any big reason to lie about that. You know, like I know that people talk about this is like uh something that's come up on big brother of like oh that person's an actor so they must know how to lie well guess what podcaster is the opposite of actor because you have to tell the truth all day and talk about

what's going on yeah we're basically the next thing best thing to coconut vendors we seek truth the truth shall prevail so just to go back on that for a couple of things first off to clarify he did say that podcasting is the quote most embarrassing most embarrassing that's even worse yeah i was gonna say i think that's a lot worse worse yeah yeah like you're feeling a secret shame every time you get behind the microphone but i feel a couple ways about this first off i do agree with you that you look at someone like mike white you look at someone like ron clark it wasn't like a definite non-starter of well these guys have repute to their names they don't need the money we're gonna have to vote

them off immediately i should note though mike white doesn't go to tribal council until a week into the game ron clark doesn't go to tribal council until a week into the game. Ron Clark doesn't go to tribal council until the merge. Is there a chance that especially in a six person tribe situation, you know, Rudy said it infamously on your all-stars commentary. If you can find any reason to get rid of someone early on, you can find it. Yeah.

But if John doesn't do well, it's not going to be well, he was a podcaster. He has a podcast network. I hope they don't edit it like that. I don't, I don't think so. I think that it could be that, to be, well, he was a podcaster, Divvy. He has a podcast network. I hope they don't edit it like that. I don't think so. I think that it could be that, you know, okay, he's not contributing in the challenges as much as this other person. Or, you know, like I do not think that that is going to be the reason why he has a potential problem early on in the game uh what i thought was very interesting about this was you know on the podcast you know

john is often like uh the and i i mean this endearingly like the least serious person on the panel i found him in his conversation with you to be quite serious and it was a departure i mean he certainly like had uh some funny lines but that he's more of typically like uh like a little bit of you know bringing uh some levity and some humor to the podcast and i thought he'd like is taking this assignment like very seriously it wasn't like joke joke joke joke joke i mean could it be that he is out of his comfort zone in many ways i mean look at the commercial we've seen umpteenth times this summer rob about john lovett saying they're being like it's gonna be a lot more uh i'm gonna be a lot more afraid of being here than you all are out there yeah i think that's about being awkward

it's gonna be more awkward for me than it is for you yeah exactly so like there is to be that level of self-deprecation there i think it certainly will when it comes to banter with jeff i get so many david wright comparisons to john here i i think it's i think it's the matter i think for me it's like the sense of humor it's the that's the out of his element thing i mean a big thing that he talked about in the season preview right in the trailer that showed in the 46 finale was him being like the only experience i have in nature was like i did boy scouts for a day and then i i threw up and went home and so i do think we're going to get a lot of that similar types of beats of like i'm in over my head i don't know what i'm doing yeah i would uh respectfully push back on that a little bit i don't know if i'm getting david right where david right was scared and i don't know if john seems scared to me like i'm not i'm not getting where

he's like the you know i think that he is like pointing out the absurdity of the situation that like what what like what is this why am i why am i even here what is happening and so i i don't know if it's quite david wright uh like maybe david wright the second time a little bit more but um early david wright that's not what i'm seeing from here i loved his comparison to penner of being somebody who can sort of like uh state an uncomfortable truth and like not be sort of sheepish about doing that. And I think that that is something that has endeared Penner to the fans, whereas could be a little off putting for people who don't quite get his sensibility.

Yeah, I mean, that's what John has pointed out with both his strength and his weakness as well. Right. His superpower and his kryptonite was the fact that he is intense, you know, and it's interesting because, again, to your point, I wouldn't say his energy is like laconic, but he was someone that on his podcast would usually come in to maybe lighten the mood if there is a need for one. But it does sound like maybe as a person, you know, interpersonally interacting with people, maybe he does come on a bit strong. It's good for him to notice that. But I do find it interesting as well that, you know, I think from a very understandably political perspective, he was walking a very nice tiptoe with some of the questions.

Like, you know, when I ask him, who are you vibing with? Who is who are you not? He's like, well, you know, for all I know, these could become my best friends. So I don't really want to pass judgment. However, these couple of guys that are all dude bro macho stuff i want nothing to do with them and so i think that's a little bit of a taste of what we're going to get with him both from an entertainment perspective but to your point and as he talked about with penner that could be something that works against him if the tribe dynamics don't work out in his

favor he talked about how uh very important year election year taking some time away and then uh thought that this was going to potentially recharge the battery when he gets back. He's going to hit the ground running and that he definitely did. Yeah. So, you know, the way that things time out, if we add 26 days to about when they started, it would be early June. And even out of a cannon. Yeah. You know, this poor, emaciated, t tanned hide man was probably sent on to his own campaign trail i mean i think he was i mean he was doing appearances on like colbert over the summer as well so yeah he truly had an active summer i mean this really was his vacation

his quite literal beach vacation yeah okay um as far as how john's gonna do it i mean it's so there's so much variance uh that uh could be an early boot doesn't find his uh footing here in the tribe uh just to place him so far i mean i kind of feel like that andy seems like uh a guy that john could get along with uh very easily i don't know who the third uh man is in this tribe. We'll talk about that tomorrow. We'll talk about him tomorrow. I mean, I will spoil it and say that that guy has been having some eyes for John Lovett and not in the best way.

And it does feel like what I am prognosticating for John, and maybe it's because he pulled a Kenzie and dropped the gays and the days reference, is that I could see him try to immediately get something together with the women and potentially turn the tribe against this guy. This guy, Sam, that we're going to talk about tomorrow. And that might succeed to varying degrees.

You know, if they lose early and Sam might be the physically strongest person on that tribe, are they going to necessarily go along with that plan and make a big move early on or could john get caught a little flat-footed of trying to scheme too early too often so i think if john's tribe gets off to like a very good streak or he nestles himself in well with a really good group of people like i see him and annika getting along really well i think that he could be in a good spot but i think there's also a potential of him being one of the first targets on this tribe you know uh there are many folks that uh have gotten mad at john and his friends for trying to get a guy out early but he's very effective has a good track record yeah so far he's one for one let's see if that record sticks okay all right uh like anything else to say about uh john i'm very excited that he's one for one let's see if that record sticks okay all right uh like anything

else to say about uh john i'm very excited that he's here in the cast can't wait to watch him play yeah you want to hear some highlights from his bio as well suffice it to say understandably john love it a very fun bio writer here uh so i mean you always like to bring up the athleticism of these types of characters when asked about three of his favorite hobbies john does say in all caps i love video games but he does say my awkwardness slash personality suggests unfit oath but i work out a lot and like to do it uh and then when asked how would your friends describe you he says well i think they'd start by making fun of me they'd say i that i miss or ignore social cues that i can be demanding and rude that i can be self-involved to the point of parody and may forget to ask how

their day is after i describe mine but then once they finish roasting me they'd get to the part where i drop anything for them that i'm loyal and relentless and extremely smart that i'm funny but not as funny as i think i am that i have drive and charisma and enthusiasm that is special and compelling and the key to my success and what makes me a good friend it's fun to imagine what your friends would say is this therapy um i liked his answer to your hot take question about uh the strategy the theater of strategy of like i am doing this thing because that this is what the strategic thing is but is it but is it uh i like that the players are really starting to like talk about these things and so i don't i

don't know where it ultimately goes but i loved his answer to that question well i think it is actually going from a political perspective it is kind of like building that silent majority right as i talked about in the on the interview, it is tough to kind of rebuild the house while you're standing inside it. That like on paper, yes, it would be nice to talk to the group about- Working on rebuilding the house. Yes, exactly.

Of like, hey, the meta this season is we don't necessarily care about the resume as much as maybe last season did. And if you can get enough people on board to go along with that, then yeah, you'll be able to institute that but he does bring up also a good point of like as much as i feel this if i'm in with a cast that's primary policy you know your first 100 days or first 26 days or your primary executive

order is like no we're still going to honor big moves then just kind of have to go along with it i will finish by adding one little tidbit here from one jeff probes because i got the chance to talk with him i think that interview should be out soon and i did ask him like where did this come from uh and john lovett did apply and jeff said when he saw that he applied he was thrilled and he called him quote one of the all-time great storytellers that will ever appear on survivor whether he lasts one day or all 26. OK. All right. Interesting. All right. Mike, we have another person to talk about. We have Rachel coming up and we will discuss her and her interview when we come back right after this. OK, Mike, Rachel Lamont, not the first time you and she got the chance to talk yes so rachel is 34 years old she is from southfield michigan and she is a ui designer but you and i rachel talked

for the second time during this season because as is revealed almost immediately in this interview rachel was the female alternate for season 46. And I got the chance to, when I visited the set for Survivor 46 and did preseason interviews, I got the chance to talk with her on, unfortunately, a very down day for Rachel. So Mike, just a question for you, the journalist.

So you talk to somebody in Survivor 46. They're the alternate. They don't make the cut. They're on the next season. What do you do with the old interview? I mean, sits in the proverbial Disney vault, Rob, just for my own memories, but also helps when I happen to interview

the person the next season. I'm like, what if they say their celebrity loved one was? Let me just like jog my memory about it. But yeah, I mean, when we are out there, we get the opportunity to talk with everyone in the cast. So at this point, it was the 18 players and then the two alternates as well as will be talked about during the interview you know by the

time i had talked with rachel and the enigmatic male alternate from a season 46 it had already been sort of publicized if you could ever talk to that guy again i know god just pie in the sky wishes rob next time a shooting star comes along that's what my mind's gonna be on but when i ended up talking with them the cast had officially been confirmed they had finished all the individual cast photos they did done one big group one that like barring any last minute pulls this was the group of 18 and so the two of them were in understandably some very down moods because they had been hanging around you know sort of uh they knew they were alternates but like people were making eyes at

them you know they were already maybe thinking about are these people i want to you know avoid or join up with on the beach and then that reality sets in of like this is not your time and so i'm really grateful that i have the opportunity to talk with Rachel. And I'm even more grateful I have the opportunity to talk with her next season. And as she says in my interview, for her, it's very much like, you know, everything happens for a reason. And 47 truly feels like her time. OK, let's hear Mike's interview with Rachel.

Hello. Hello. Hi, Mike Blue. How are you? Oh, I am great. How are you doing? I'm good. I'm happy to be here again. Yes, again. So, I mean, on that note, I think we'll get into what again means. But we'll start with, you know, the easy stuff. Why don't you give me your name, your age and your occupation? I'm Rachel Lamont. I'm 34 years old, and I'm a user interface designer. Yeah, so what does that mean? Because obviously that's such a generic term, but I feel like so applicable to the fact that we are interacting with screens each and every day.

I say as you're about to not interact with them for 26 days. Yeah, I mean, I basically make apps that you interact with look pretty um so like I I design what they look like and you know the colors and all of that good stuff well let's talk about what has you uh donning a buff color as it were let's talk about what got you onto Survivor I guess what's your history with the show and what was the process to get you out here as a player yeah um well my I'd never seen Survivor before my husband uh randomly put it on tv one day when we were like cleaning the house and he I remember he he said like uh oh Survivor like my dad he loves this show and I was like I've heard of that and he put it on and I just remember like setting the vacuum down and sitting down on the couch and being like how the hell have I never seen this show before and I was

like so hooked and um I feel like from the start it was just this idea of like I think I could do this like I that's really what got me hooked on Survivor it was like a great show as well but I think from the beginning I I was like, I think that like, I don't know. Some people watch like Jeopardy and they're like, I can do that. Or Wheel of Fortune. You always know those people. And I like, for whatever reason, when I watched Survivor, I was like, I think I could do that. Like, I want to do that. And within like a couple months, I had submitted my first like audition video. And yeah, over the years, got a call, then ghosted, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then in 2020, I got like the first like real call that kind of started to get my foot in the door.

And yeah, COVID happened, like all this stuff, you know. And then two years ago, like I was pitched and then kind of went silent. And then last year, I got through everything and ended up being the alternate. So I came out here on Survivor 46 as the female alternate and didn't get to play. But now I'm here. And it's great to be here. It's been a long time coming. Absolutely.

I'm so happy I get the chance to talk with you again. Because, yeah, I mean, when you and I spoke, it was this very unique experience where you knew that you were the alternate and it was the day before the game and you knew, like, boring any last-minute medical emergencies, pretty much, that this was not going to be your time.

And, like, that was palpable in the mood that you had. And we had connected over that. So talk to me about like, what was that process like in the past year? And I especially imagine you're looking at like the alternate universe where you were on Survivor 46 and having certain reactions about that.

I mean, I have strong feelings about that as well. So I don't know. Yeah, I think like when we talked last year that was definitely my love day because it had been that it was the day that they did the group photo so before that like nobody knew that I was the alternate except me you know and then all of a sudden I felt very outed and felt very much like this isn't my season I don't belong here and um and then we like I think we did my interview like a couple hours later so it was like a little bit brutal but um I think what I when I went to Fiji last year I was like everything I do while I'm there I need to show them why

like I should be playing this game and so you know you have some opportunities to talk to people and I really just like wanted to to make them say like we fucked up that's that's really like was my goal and um when I left at the end of the week, I really, I felt that I had done that. Like I felt that I had accomplished that. And so I felt really weirdly good. I know the day we talked, it wasn't great, but like after that, I just, I felt really good about my whole experience and, and felt like at peace with the fact that that wasn't my season and that I would get another chance. And over the last year since then, you know, ebbs and flows, self-doubt, you know, whatever, but I'm here and it feels amazing. And I really like, I am the kind of person that believes that everything happens for a reason

and timing is everything. And just being here and seeing like all the people here and the vibe of this season, like I genuinely feel like this is my season. Like this is the one that it was meant to be. And I don't know. It's it's great. So, yeah, that's amazing to hear. So let's look back on Survivor history, which, you know, you started embarking upon through that chance encounter on the couch. Give me one winner and one non-winner who you identify with the most. All right. I have a love hate relationship with this question. I listen to your interviews every year, Mike Bloom, and I never know what I'm going to say for these. This is the preparation for Survivor. I'm springing it on you in the moment. Okay. So I think a non-winner that I really identify with as a person is Kellen

Bechtold. I feel like I've never really watched other players on the screen and been like, that feels like me. But when Kellen was on Ghost Island, I really like her personality resonated with me, like a Midwest girl, like strong personality, smart and like scrappy. And, you know, just I just love her. And then I also feel like I really, really like Omar Zaheer. Like, I feel like when I watched him play his game, I was like, that is the game I want to play. Like, I want to be able to kind of like make everybody think that I'm in with them. You know, like just kind of like rule from the shadows and like no one really knows what I'm doing. Like, I just was so impressed and I really like admire his game.

So as far as a winner goes i i struggle with this so much i feel like i don't i don't know that there is like a single winner that i'm like i really like that person is the person that i would say like i'm like um but can i can i throw a curveball and go please yes okay yeah let's let's go beyond borders we're in international waters after all throw a curveball and go. Oh, please. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go beyond borders. We're in international waters after all. Throw a name out. So I feel like, uh,

Tina Apollo from survivor South Africa. He, the way he played his game where he knew his strengths and his weaknesses coming in. And he knew how to kind of like, like lean away from his weaknesses and play into his strengths. And he was very self-aware. And I just,

that is the kind of game that I'm like really hoping to play. And yeah, not that nobody in US Survivor has done that, but I feel like the way he did it was, felt very similar to the way that I would hope to do it. Just do not sleep by the fire. I think that's the one piece of advice I'd give you. I will not fall on the fire. But he did have cute little paws, so.

He did have cute little seal paws. And look, you can swim your way through this game, it were what would you say is your biggest superpower and your biggest piece of kryptonite that you are bringing into this game good question um so i think my biggest superpower is that i feel like i can connect with almost anybody like i feel like i've i've lived life from a lot of different kind of perspectives. And like, I've been an outsider. I've been like a person that knows everybody. And I just, I feel like I have a, I'm very open about myself.

There's pretty much, you ask me a question, like better want to know the answer because I'm probably going to tell you a little too much. And I feel like that seems to like get other people to trust me and and open up really quickly and like I make fast friends and so I feel like that is a really useful skill for survivor um I think my kryptonite is probably oh man I'm like a little bit controlling um and i kind of like to like know what's going on at all times and kind of like you know have my finger in all the pies and i don't know if that's like the best thing for a game where you might come off as a little paranoid or a little you know um

uh a little too controlling i mean really so yeah yeah i uh i would i think that would be my answer yeah i mean how tough do you think it will be for you to like let up on that throttle because it seems like a natural part of yourself but to your point we're seeing this with 46 no one necessarily likes being told explicitly what to do yeah exactly i mean i think i can refrain from like bossing people around i think just wanting to make sure that everything is in place, like if we're going to do a plan and like, I think the key will be like finding alliance people that I can really trust that I can be like,

I know that when you say you're going to go convince that person to do this, that you're going to convince them that you can do it. You know, like, I think that it will be imperative to find people that I maybe not trust fully, but can trust enough to execute a plan that sees the game in a way that I see the game. What do you think is one life experience that has prepared you the most for what you're about to jump into? I don't know. I feel like this is so early. But I grew up, I was born in Bangkok and I didn't speak Thai growing up. And we moved to the U.S. where my mom's from when I was seven. And so like for the first seven years of my life, like I couldn't speak to my own grandfather. He didn't speak English and I didn't

speak Thai or Chinese. So like there was just so many times where I just really learned to communicate in like a nonverbal manner with, you know, my, a lot of my literal family, um, and then moved to the U S and like, didn't understand U S culture. And, and, you know, like, uh, so I, I feel like I just was forced to like, kind of learn to assimilate in, in my own way, like from a really young age. And, um, and I also have like two much older sisters. So I just, I feel like I've always been around people that I just like, didn't actually fit in with, you know, whether it was age or like culturally or whatever. And so I think that that throughout my life, I've moved a lot. And I just feel like all of those things have just made me like really able to kind of blend in with the group and just like pick up on the vibe and just be that

vibe too well you talk about uh this sort of communication breakdown i mean that's sort of the mode you're living in right now obviously uh for the second time in two years you are in this isolation mode and i'm sure you have a lot of thoughts about the competition around you so right now well who are you eyeballing as like great vibes best case scenario ride or die day one on the beach you know it's i knew you're gonna ask this question and it's funny because i genuinely like all of these people seem really really great and i that sounds like such a cop-out but genuinely i feel like it'd be easier to be like who am i not vibing with? But which is not there's not even that many people either. I was going to say, I was going to like, if it's easier to do the opposite, then let's go to the opposite.

And then I'll get shady with you. Well, there's like one person that is just not like making too much eye contact, not giving very many smiles. Like everyone seems very friendly. And this guy is seems just like he was wearing like a shirt that said macho man on the first day. So I was like, maybe it's me and not, you know, I don't know. I'm not a macho man. Um, but, um, yeah, I, as far as good vibes go, I really like, there's like an Indian girl that I just like, she's just seems very bubbly and personable. And I, um, like, I don't know, but I also feel like this is a

little biased. Cause I feel like the people I feel the best about are the people that are sitting, just happen to be sitting closest to me at Ponderosa. So like, I feel like there is like, you know, you see them enough and then you be feel a little more, more comfortable. So I don't know, this could all be very biased, but then there's this, um, like younger black guy who I call snacks because the very first, the very first day um the head of Ponderosa was like do not have food in your tent like at night or ants will like just come in droves and so you know I like handed him like the pack of gum that I had in my bag and that guy opens his backpack and it's just like like an entire backpack full of snacks like it was like skittles and

doritos i'm like like it was just bag after bag after bag they like grabbed this giant gallon bag and it was like he was like shoving it or like it's like a two gallon bag um just shoving it full of snacks and i was like that's my kind of person like just prepared with all the snacks so i really i really like it well let's open up your candy store of Survivor hot takes. Give me your most controversial opinion. It could be about a player, season, or the show overall. Interesting. Okay.

I think that idols and advantages in the new era are set you up to fail. I feel like, like more than not not not only are they like not successful but they also socially isolate you or make you suspicious or whatever and i don't know that at least pre-merge that they are like worth the the you know, what's the saying I'm missing here? Worth the squeeze. Worth the squeeze. Yeah. Yeah.

Interesting. So is that something you're going to bring directly into your own game? Are you saying like, journeys, I'm good. And then like two days from now, I do whatever. But no, I mean, I genuinely feel like if I come across, I'm definitely not volunteering for a journey, but if I come across a beware advantage, I'm going to like really think hard about what I

want to do with that. And that doesn't mean that I'm just going to ignore it, but maybe I will guide someone else to find it, or I will tell someone else that I found it and I don't want to open. I don't know, but I just feel, I don't think that I want that just because even if it's just like, I know this 46, they had fewer advantages that you could technically do by yourself, you know, like Hunter got his and no one knew about it. It's still like time away from the rest of the tribe to do those things. And there is so little time now. And it's like, and then I have to like hide that, you know,

luster in it. I don't know. And I'm not, I that, you know, luster. I don't know. And I'm not I just I just don't I don't think for me, at least, that it would necessarily be the path I'd want to take. Last but not least, you know how I'm going to close this out. If you could bring a celebrity or a fictional character for a loved one's visit, who would it be? Do you remember who you told me last year? I do. And I'm going to use the same answer. I would bring Veronica Mars. I feel like she is a badass and she's scrappy. And I think that, you know, she's a private investigator. So she picks up on all these little things and she would come to the island and we'd go on reward or whatever. And she would be looking around and

being like, you didn't notice that that person is doing this and that person's doing that and she would tell me all the things that i was missing um because she's more perceptive than i am and um she'd help me win the game so there we go look out detective dean we have an actual uh private investigator on the loose and survivor yeah uh well a long time ago uh we we used to friends. We're still friends now. But, you know, I know that, again, when we talked to you, you obviously had a lot going on at the moment. And I'm so happy this became a when, not if for you. You know, I can't imagine what the past year has been for you, especially kind of watching season 46 play out in so many ways.

But like you said, what is meant to be is meant to be. And I'm so happy that we are here now that this is your time and that this is going to be your season your 26 days i can't tell you how much joy it brings me not only getting a chance to talk with you right now but to see what's going to happen with you over the course of the season yeah i'm excited hopefully you know i don't fuck it up too bad well no matter what like just think about the fact that you got here you know uh there's there's so many people who did it it's a long long journey and it is a win to just be sitting here today so i'll take it absolutely well i know that once

again it's it's a journey of anticipation for you right now so i wish you the best as you're sitting waiting for the big day to arrive then the big 26 days that are to follow. And I will see you on the other side, my friend. So great getting to talk with you again. Good to see you, Mike. Yeah, good to see you too. Have a great one. All right, there you have it.

Rachel Lamont, Mike. The second time was the charm. Yeah, there we go. And it's really interesting as well to go through her perspective. Because again, it's incredibly rare besides Austin. And I kelly was also uh from 45 was an alternate for 43 we don't get much introspection until like from a mental process what that is like but it's very intriguing to see rachel almost approach season 46 as like season 47 day negative one right of like her being like i'm gonna be out here in Fiji,

proving to people why they made a mistake, just making me an alternate. And whether or not that was coincidental or not, she was able to make good on that time. And now she's out here in a much better headspace and ready to actually have her feet hit the big beaches of Fiji. OK, she seemed like she really knows her stuff, dropping international survivor references. Yeah,

second one on her try. Maybe her and her and Andy can connect over that. Of course, Andy mentioned Ferris as well in his interview, so could be a fun little international survivor coalition. Boy, Australian survivor versus the world. Those two are going to have the group

chat's going to be lit. Yeah, maybe they were actually prognosticating who would be on it. That's how they spent their days on Gata was just coming up with fan cast for that theme. Yeah. OK, Mike, how do you feel about Rachel the player? I feel pretty good about Rachel the player. I think she has a really good head for the game. I think her hot take about how she how she feels like new era advantages and idols are, quote, setting you up for failure. I mean, I think it's it's classic journalism, right, where the headline is very hot and spicy, but maybe like the content itself considerably cools down the temperature of her going on to say that it's not necessarily like, oh, you're automatically going to bomb because of it. It's that because a lot of these idols and advantages require some sort of social component, which is something you mentioned before in this series,

it is something that kind of like puts you out on an island, right? Either everyone knows about it, or it's like, I have to go sneak away and do this thing. And then when I'm gone, everyone's going to be conspiring against me behind my back. Well, really, her and Andy, I think think have pretty similar views about the idols and the advantages and so uh maybe that's sort of like a natural duo to come together rachel and andy i think so i mean

those two i think are big probably two of the biggest fans on the cast as well with the them teeny and i would say asia as well and i think again the two of them are both such like down-to-earth personalities that i don't really see any huge conflict there should be noted that one of the people that rachel pointed out at ponderosa positively was i believe annika and remember annika also pointed out rachel as well positively so i really see the two of them linking up early on and I could see a world where they bring in Andy as a third as well yeah also uh they both have a tech background uh between uh Rachel and Andy and so I do think that there is a lot of overlap there

between uh the two of them okay Mike do you think there's anything to the the alternate coming back and they say you know like Jeff says hey play the first time like it's your second time but we saw like you know Kelly Nalbandian was somebody who came in like ready to go in season 45 after being an alternate in season 43 like do you feel like that is that at all like a little bit of an advantage as sort of like okay you have that over you've been you've been to Fiji you've been through this process you sort of like have seen this a little bit maybe there's less jitters I mean that was the Bruce argument in 45 right was that he was saying hey the amount of experience I have over you stops the first day of the game but he did say he has experience with the quote,

hurry up and wait of the preseason. But the Emily argument is what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly. You're saying like, no, actually, you do have a significant advantage. I mean, I would say early on, I don't know. It's if there are any jitters that end up subsiding over the course of this week or so

where they're just sitting in silence. I think that immediately ebbs away once the game starts because they've never experienced the start of a survivor season beforehand they get sent home on the day when all of that begins and who knows maybe it's almost like corking up a bottle but then all those emotions will come spilling out once it's like oh my god okay i actually am on the show this time great i'm gonna do this this and that yeah okay mike anything else you want to say about Rachel? I did like how Rachel started our interview by talking about how when she watched Survivor

for the first time, when she quite literally got on the couch and watched, she said that like, well, there are some people who watch Jeopardy and are immediately like, I can do that. And it's like, well, there was a player that said that to both shows and ended up succeeding.

I believe so. Yeah. All right. was a player that said that to both shows that ended up succeeding doubly so yeah all right so we have one more day here in the gotta tribe uh you mentioned one of the cast members that we're gonna talk about sam uh who's the other person we're gonna talk about tomorrow sierra sierra right uh and i've also just mentioned briefly because i i i love here's a future note to survivor players out there. If I get the chance to talk with you in the preseason, do nicknames. Nicknames are fun.

We like nicknames. And I did get the identities of the other people that Rachel was identifying when talking about the the ponderosa stew. OK. All right. So, yeah, Mike likes a flavor flave out here giving out nicknames to the cast. I thought there was a lot of that in 45, right? Well, Caleb was mainly the one that Caleb was the Flavor Flav and did it for everybody. But Rachel sort of did a mini version of that.

So she had Macho Man, right, which was like the guy that's giving her nothing that had that shirt on the first day. That was Gabe. So, again, we'll get to Gabe. Not the first time that was gabe so again we'll get to gabe uh not the first time that gabe has been and then the other one was snacks which was the guy that like heavyweight style was hoarding a two-gallon bag full of snacks and that was rome rome which makes a lot of sense right like he comes from the gaming world i feel like everyone who games full-time just has a two-gallon bag flaming hot cheetos yeah exactly takis just sitting there, not Taku.

So very, very fun from Rachel. And hey, if she has the chance to go to the merge, that maybe she and Rome will be able to dig into an alliance together. Yeah, just don't go through his bag. OK, all right. Coconut Bandits 2.0. They could squirrel away their secret snacks together. Yeah, his bag is the one that has the ants leading up to it

all right well tomorrow it is Sam and it is Sierra so we're gonna round out gotta and then Rob you and I can prognosticate a little bit about how we think this group of six will do as I mentioned before nowhere to go but up in terms of chaotic yellow tribes in

survivor new era seasons but I'll be intrigued to see your thoughts on what the dynamics might be early on okay make sure you're subscribed to our rob has a podcast feed to make sure you don't miss any of these episodes because if you miss one everybody's gonna know except for you it's gonna be horrible robin's website.com slash subscribe i just don't want to see that happen to you where you miss an episode of the podcast. OK, and then, of course, hit that subscribe button if you're watching us here on YouTube. What's coming up for you, Mike? So at this point, I will also be two thirds of the way through the Taku.

No, not the Taku tribe. I just mentioned the Taku tribe through the Tuku tribe, as it were, the blue tribe, the final tribe we haven't talked about about where I will have released my interviews with Kyle and Sue as well, who are two people that are also getting a lot of eyes on them in the preseason. So check that out over at Parade.com. All right. Thank you so much for joining us

for day five of our previews. We'll be back with another two people to round out the Gada tribe tomorrow. Take care. Have a good one. Bye. another two people to round out the gotta tribe tomorrow take care have a good one bye