RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 48 B&B Ep 11 with Chantele Francis

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Survivor 48 B&B Ep 11 with Chantele Francis With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor […]

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We are here talking about an episode that certainly stood. I don't know whether or not it delivered, but I would say we Edwards James almost had a blind side. I mean, some of these cast members, they're just battle stars in their own right. Aren't they, Mike? Yes, exactly. And listen, some of them might be almost siren qualities in terms of how machine like they are approaching this end game as we are here to talk about after Mother's Day, truly sending off at some point, at least when people were considering one of the biggest mothers of this

cast in Mary. But I am thrilled to get this person's thoughts on all things happening with Survivor 48. So excited to welcome back to the B&B Chantel Francis. Hi, Chantel. Hello. Hello. I'm actually like I've been here and I think years at this point. And so I'm pretty excited to talk about this season, to talk about this episode and how things have been going down. You know, it's a maybe going down.

Oh, yeah, I'm happy to be here. You guys are always a fun and good time. And I'm very curious as to what you have in store for me today. Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's something that we say is we enter kind of every episode of Survivor 40. And I don't want to necessarily come in being like lambasting, you know, admiring everything in negativity. I will once again say this was not a very good episode of Survivor.

In fact, Liana following up our discussion last week, I believe this episode is now the lowest rated episode on IMDB. OK, it's all about branding. This is a record breaking season of Survivor. The record just happens to be the lowest rated episode on IMDB. OK, but it is record breaking. And I think that that is something to be applauded and celebrated. Here's the thing, though, is that it truly is a test of like grass being always

green or both on the other side and in the rear view mirror. If I were to mix my metaphors, because let me throw out this question for you, Chantel, because after I saw the response to this episode, people said, oh, my God, this was even worse than last week's episode. So here's the food for thought, because I do think obviously the outcome of these two episodes is fairly similar. There was, you know, I think when you look at the voting chart, you see that there were three people left out of the David vote and they went one, two, three, one after the other.

It all makes sense. But would you rather have last week's episode, which was full of what some would consider to the point that it necessitated an entire game, one of the most cringe moments in survivor history, quote unquote, with Jeff prompting everyone to do the chicken and waffle song with the rap with starring the plan to almost go to rocks than it failing. Or would you rather have this week, which had more of, you know, a little bit of a tease as to something happening only for it to not come through.

But it had David giving a standing ovation. So good. I I do think that that moment saved the episode, to be fair, because I was like, okay, I think I see how this is going. Okay, I didn't think that they were gonna be making a move. I thought that it was just all kind of, I thought they were lying to us. I just didn't feel like it was happening.

It just didn't seem like it was coming together. So I wasn't surprised by being duped by the edit. But when he stood up, I screamed and I laughed. And I was like, what is this? So good. And I'm like, okay, fine. You know what? Good casting.

Like, David, save the episode. I want David at every tribal council. Like, it was amazing. So I will take that moment over last week. For sure. It was so funny. Like, it was so funny. I will take that moment over last week, for sure. It was so funny. Like it was so, I could not stop laughing. I think it was also the combination of not just, okay.

So it's like, he stands up and then I'm like, is he gonna clap? Like, what is his, like, what is his end goal here? See, that's interesting because I don't know if I read his body language differently because the solemnity with which he stood up and the speed I thought he was about to charge across that fire pit tackle Joe

Yes, that was the other thought I had I was like he's walking over there Like I genuinely thought he was gonna go over from the jury Watch a lot of the show. He doesn't necessarily know a lot of the decorum of what you do and don't do as a juror. Exactly. Like maybe maybe he just doesn't know. Maybe he thinks he can go over there. Maybe he thinks he can like go hug Mary. Like maybe he think I don't know. I didn't know. And I think it was a combination of the surprise of the whole thing,

not knowing what he was going to do. Then him just standing there, the length at which he stood there. Everybody on top of that, because you can see them like, like especially the jury members star, like covering her mouth, trying to sit like, I'm not laughing, Chrissy, like, I'm not laughing. It was so good. I wish that we got a behind the scenes moment there. And just to see, like, all the camera people, producers being like,

what is this man doing? Perhaps the highlight of all this does come from Cedric, who's has not been able to like spread his mess on this season for a good portion of time, but is able to do so here where when I don't know if you saw this, but he posted on social media like imagine living this moment without music and just sitting there in real time as this man stood silently waiting as this all happened.

It's it's absolutely remarkable. And look, given what we did last week, Liana, right, this prompted the question of people be like, wow, you guys did this one week too soon. This is going to be a bit of a hot take, I think. I don't know if I would count this as cringe. Now, cringe is in the eye of the beholder. I think this is too funny to be cringe, if I'm being completely honest. I think if I'm comparing this to like Billy Garcia and Candice, that to me was much more of a dragged out. Oh, my God thing, as opposed to David, which is ridiculous. But I don't know. I just have a very warped perspective of things that have much

has been very clear over the past decade. I don't think that was like the biggest cringe thing ever. OK, I think the reason why it has to be considered cringe is because he was flexing every single muscle in his arms. He had his jaw clenched like he was just showing how muscular like that like that part was what made it so cringe for me is that he was flexing so hard. So yeah, so I I would totally agree with that. I think it also goes to last week his whole gigachad face that he had the entire time. So maybe this is David also thinking about

long-term career goals, because we know he's thinking about that kind of stuff. So, you know- Well, the short-term ones aren't really working out in terms of survivor winners. Yeah, exactly. So he's got to pivot and look for something new. Maybe he's the smartest out of all of them.

He's like thinking, how can I turn this into something else? All right. So maybe I'm out on a limb by saying that it's not cringe. And I will I will reverse that Chantel. I think you're making a lot of salient points. But Liana, let's do a little bit of addressing old business here then, because now with this late entry, do you think it makes a run, especially in comparison to some of the stuff we talked to with Jordan last week?

Oh, man, it's tough because that was a really difficult bracket, I think all in all. So my initial thought is, OK, which one do I think is cringier, the chicken and waffles or this? And I do genuinely think the chicken and waffles was so much cringier because everybody else was involved. Like with David, almost the show handled. And maybe you could make the same argument for kind of like the Billy Garcia moment as well. But it feels like the show paints it as a cringy moment. Whereas the chicken and waffles thing, it was almost like the show wanted us to buy into the chicken and waffles chant.

And we were like, that is cringe. Okay. If we're doing levels of cringe here, I do think the chicken and waffles song was worse. When the fact that like, I wasn't watching it in live time, like I was like behind a couple of commercials. So I had to like, you know, I could fast forward. So I had to fast forward that. So to know that like, like, I couldn't I couldn't bear to

watch it because it was so mortifying. I was getting secondhand embarrassment. I was like, none of them want to be singing this song like no. So I would say that the chicken and waffle song would take the cake over David standing. But I do need to enter something into the chat here. enter something into the chat here. Have you seen the drunk drawn of that moment? Oh, oh my god. So this man, I think it's a man I'm not sure this person he draws like drunk drawn like these moments in pop culture and in reality TV who just do these crazy outlandish pictures of it. And so that was David drunk drawn. Oh, my God.

Wait, so like amazing. I love his little head. I have they officially now been like outed as a survivor fan. Have they drawn survivor moments in the past? Or I don't. I haven't seen survivor moments. It's always usually Bravo Vanderpump rules stuff. This is how they declare they're a survivor fan. I mean, like, aha, I saw that one very buff dude

scanned up for his ally when nobody else would. Exactly. I will also say not to address last week too much because we have a lot to get into here. Liana, we neglected to bring up the fact that what makes it even worse, really, the powdered sugar on top of those chicken and waffles is the fact that after Jeff finishes the sing along or chant along, he says, that's how you do it on Survivor. I missed that. That's so much worse.

It would have been funny if it's like dig deep, if he had said that while they're chanting to like motivate them to chant more or something like that. Now, look, I think a lot of people can argue like, what is Survivor become, etc, etc. I think there's a lot of arguments we said like, no, the core tenets of the game are still there. Yeah, I would say if you were to give me a family few top 10 list of like, if I were to say that's how you do it on Survivor, what do you think that would be in reference to?

I don't know if Survivor, what do you think that would be in reference to? I don't know if Survivor is chanting along about an IHOP twelve dollar meal. I don't think that's what Survivor is. I'm so sorry, Jeff. I don't either. But maybe this is the new theme song for Club Kondo, right? Oh, but Club Kondo and the boss, the Nova and the dancing. And now maybe this is like the song that for Club Kondo, right? Because he's always talking about Club Kondo and the bossa nova and the dancing.

And now maybe this is like the song that they're going to be chanting now as they enter Club Kondo. Right. Yeah, it's the conga line chant that you do while you're like, oh, I'm going to go to chicken and waffles. Yeah, I think maybe Jeff could be a cult leader if he wanted to one day. Like this is the way he has over people. I mean, yeah, I guess that's true, essentially. Some survivor seasons have arguably provided the blueprint.

Like just watch Redemption Island and Survivor South Pacific. It's like, oh, I could. It actually looks pretty easy. I think I could try that. Well, let's let's get into everything that happened in this episode, because, I mean, due to the holiday, we're recording on Monday. So I'm not going to say that I'm giving you know, completely original takes. I'm sure that there have been many that have been regurgitated over the past several days, and especially over the past couple of weeks, considering that, again, this does seem like

a bit of a continuation as to what the status quo has been set up with since the boot of David, which is like, OK, these four again, I'll reference Big Brother because this feels like a very big brother a season. This feels like the detonators got rid of Devin Shepard, you know, and then became this closer tight knit group that said, all right, we got rid of the loose element. Now we can move forward together. And that continues here. What I have sort of solidified around as a point this week is that, look, for many reasons, Survivor has found itself in sort of a permanent home in Fiji. And it's a lot of game elements that have become sort of constants as well, right? The three tribes, the journeys, the losing votes, merge-atory split tribal councils.

So at a point where the show is where a lot of constants, which have not been constants in the past, like location, theme, et cetera, those have become more set values. And so you have to turn to the variables in this survivor equation, which are the people and the gameplay by proxy. 48 is an example of what happens when those variables become constants, if that makes sense.

That, you know, I would say the casting is still interesting and there are still fundamentally individually people that I find incredibly intriguing to watch and especially talk through a lot of the moral ramifications of this game. But essentially, the strategy has solidified, which is wild in an era where we say the gameplay has fluid is fluid. It's frozen, essentially, where it does seem like as Joe outlines at the beginning of this episode, I don't see any reason why it's not going to be the four of us in the end. And I think you realize that when those factors are already set, there's not a lot of other stuff to turn to in this modern era, you know, because again, the twists are already set. Even the things they throw in like, hey, knowledge is power is back. Lo and behold,

the survivor gods have a different story. And they end up giving it to the one person in the game who does not need it and would have it be used against them. So it's just a very interesting, I don't know, opportunity, I think, to look at what sort of ends up getting valued more than other things in the new era of Survivor and the fact that when we are sort of deprived of those, you know, more variable elements, how that does directly contribute to, you know, for lack of a better term, a downward trend in the entertainment value. Yeah, I think they're focusing more so on the constants that you're kind of mentioning and realizing it's not actually allowing for this gameplay. They're like, okay, we'll throw in this twist and we'll throw in this twist. And and I think they're just forgetting about what makes us love survivors,

actually the human interaction and then people having to stab their friends in the back. And so if they don't get an opportunity to make these deep bonds, I think that that's why, you know, it's not it's not really working now. And I just I don't think the three tribes are working either anymore. I think that that also needs to shift because it just it's just I don't know. It's just not working. And I think the way to fix it, maybe to start would be to shake up the pattern of it all right.

Like shake up the two tribes or the three tribes go back to two tribes, maybe take out all these journeys and stuff like that, because people are expecting journeys. And I find that people play a lot more scared if they know more advantages are in the game. When people lose their vote, they don't have any power in the game, so they can't really do anything. So take away that element, too, please.

I think I guess you guys can tell that I want them to go back to a little bit more traditional bare bones survivor. And you want traditional values in survivor. I do. I do. Survivor values, we'll say. But yeah, I just think that we're just kind of going too far into the gimmicky chancey, you know, doodads and trinkets.

Like, it's just a little bit too much in that direction, which I think makes people play a little more scared. And I think they need to go back to not having all those things where they have to really use their connections and their bonds and themselves to move forward in the game. What's better than a well marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue?

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48 has sparked a lot of really interesting conversations, right? Because I think that there's been an argument about the new era, too many twists, too many twists, too many advantages, about the new era, too many twists, too many twists, too many advantages. But then here, everybody's like, I'm so mad that Eva's the one who got the twist because I wanted someone else to get the twist so that it could have been twisty and actually like changed up the game.

So it's like, okay, but now you're advocating for more twists, you're advocating for more advantages, which is the opposite of what I've been hearing from a lot of fans. So to me, what I see this as an issue in is the editing. So I personally think that there is an issue with the story being told because the past few seasons have had the benefit of being very twisty seasons where, oh my God, who's going to go home? Oh my gosh, that's so crazy. And I think they're applying that blueprint to a season that does not follow that same formula.

So they're trying to make it seem like, oh, my God, there's going to be a big blindside and like so and so is going to go. And so what ends up happening is we feel disappointed when that doesn't happen because the edit is setting us up to think that like, OK, maybe something's going to happen. Instead, I think that you need to shift the editing to really match exactly what the story is that's being told. And this is a story of connections.

This is a story of emotional relationships. All I know about Kyle and Joe is Kyle has said, I've told Joe a lot of things. And I'm like, show me, show me those things. Well, you went to jail. That was something. Yeah, we are. It's OK. So fine. We see one moment. But to me, it's a one, maybe two moments. But like, I want to know exactly why these people aren't turning.

What are they waiting for? What is the logic behind the decision? You don't have to make me feel like there's going to definitely be a chance of a blind side. What I would love to hear is Camilla saying, okay, instead of the generic confessional we got of, okay, yeah, well, we're going to make a move. But when do we make that move? I want to hear this is what I'm thinking for this round. This is what I would like to do. This is the relationship I have with so and so. Then show me that relationship. Like I just feel like the moments that they're choosing

to show us do not benefit the story that this season is telling me. Yeah, I do not disagree at all. I think that and I it's weird to say, like, I don't necessarily blame the editors because I do think and this is something Leanna that we've spoken about all the way back from the very first season we did this with the whole Final Four firemaking that I think that Survivor finds that when fans sort of respond the loudest to is sort of the results oriented thinking, right? Which is like they see sometimes when people don't like the winner that they'll throw a fuss about it. It's like, okay, well, how do we create the quote unquote best winner? Well, let's throw in this conceit to bring someone to the end.

And I think here there's a lot of storytelling that is very results oriented that they feel like. And I would say that sometimes in the earlier seasons, it was oftentimes every episode, not necessarily about the destination of like, OK, and here's the big surprise as to who gets voted out, but more so about that journey of like, even if it's a boring vote, let's set some stuff up in the future or get to know some of these people more. I feel like to your point, because the modern survival game

has been so much about these big turns and flows in voting structures that they very much then sort of regimented the storytelling around that. I'm like, anything can happen. Last season is a great indicator of that. Ever shifting power was the big theme. And so when you get to this season where it's almost the exact opposite, that with one exception in this post merge, it has been fairly down the line in vote in votes.

It's a little tough to fit. Now, I also think that the 90 minutes do not help this whatsoever. That it became even clearer this week that they had to fill some stuff in. So it's like. Kyle went fishing, and it's odd because like that's actually a very that to me is almost like a scene that I feel like should have been emblematic to your point of some of those other moments that we could get. Like, I actually was intrigued by Kyle's confessional, where he gets incredibly

for Clem thinking about like, I don't want to betray these guys. I'm happy we get this insight where it doesn't necessarily need to be about the climactic. Oh, anyone could go home. The fact of the matter is in a game like Survivor, the vast majority of the time, the person's going to know that they're going or like everyone's going to know that this one person is going. I think sometimes we can not necessarily have feel the need to leave the audience in the dark where they're trying to grip onto their chairs at the end in favor of doing things like even, hey, Shaheed said that he could beat Joe in the end. Why is that? Yes, you're like, that's the case.

Yeah, that's the thing. Like that Kyle scene, I was like, OK, this. Yeah. That's the thing, like that Kyle scene, I was like, okay, this is fantastic because now I know how much emotion he has invested in this personal relationship that he's built, which is explaining why he doesn't wanna betray him. Okay, this is now starting to like make some sense. So great, I'm happy we got that from Kyle.

I wanna hear more about his relationship with Camilla because I always hear Camilla say, oh yeah, we're number ones, we're number ones. Well, I've never heard Kyle say that. I want more information from Kyle. I want to hear more about his relationship with Camilla because I always hear Camilla say, oh yeah, we're number ones, we're number ones. Well, I've never heard Kyle say that. I want more information from that. Exactly what you said about Shaheen. Why does he think he can be Joe? What's his pitch gonna be in the end?

It is, it's about like setting the stage for what those next episodes may include. And the other thing on top of that is I feel like the editing of the it was in the tile stacking thing that Eva had to do. There's a moment where the camera dramatically zooms in on the tiles and the music is like that, like, is it going to fall? Is it going to fall?

And it's like very obviously stably standing there. I know it's going to fall. Y'all know it's not going to fall I know it's going to fall. You know, it's not going to fall. It's not going to fall. Why are you making me feel like it's going to fall? Like, don't even bother. Like, I just feel like I'm being pretended like I'm stupid. I don't like being treated that I'm stupid and that I can be tricked into thinking this.

So, I don't know, maybe this is like over intellectualizing the whole thing. And I should just shut up and enjoy David standing like a dummy. I'm just like increasingly frustrated at some of these moments because they are solvable. Like, that's the thing is I feel like it's solvable. It's not like you just have a dud cat. I mean, sure, maybe you could say it's a dud cast. And maybe even if you improve the editing, it's still only going to be a mediocre

season. Fine. But it's just like I feel like I can see the ways that this could be better. And I love Survivor so much. And I just want it to be like the best thing it can be because it's such an amazing television show. No, I think you have a really great point with how the editing has not been working in favor of the story that is actually happening

on the island. And so it's like, they have their idea of what store they want to tell us and they're trying to show us. And like you said, like we're too smart. We're not buying it. That's not what's going on. There's so much other things that must be going on because we're not getting the

results that we are hoping for, that we're seeing that the edit is kind of leading us to believe might happen. And so, yeah, I think that they don't, I guess they don't want to rely on these connections and what people are really saying. Like maybe they think that it's not as entertaining, but no, I do want to see all that stuff. I do want to understand like why on earth did they not make a move at one of the last times that they really will have the numbers to be able to do it? Is it because they're afraid that the jury is not going to respect them? Because in this personal

season, particular season, it's all about honor and you know, all staying together and there's a team effort and you know, the team has to get to four and like, is that why they're afraid that they're going to turn on them because they're going against the team? Like, I want to know that and I want to understand why they're not making these moves, especially because some of them are gamers. Like Camilla is a gamer, you know that she wants to make a move. Why couldn't she make that happen?

It seems like it should have been a thing, but it wasn't. So I agree with you. They are not telling the story that's actually going on. And I think that that's really could be what's frustrating us so much is that we're like, okay, well, you're trying to show us like a move might be made, but it's not being made. So what's really going on then? What happened? I mean, I'll throw something out that I could be completely incorrect on.

But who the hell knows? Sometimes when these types of narratives are obfuscated from the edit. I don't know. This is apples and oranges, fried chicken and waffles, if you will. But when I see people understandably be like, why is nobody targeting Eva? Because she has an idol. She openly is telling people, hey, if I have immunity at five, I'm playing it on Joe because ellipses broadly gestures to everything that has come before her.

I think back to a young man by the name of Xander Hastings and how in Survivor 41, there was often a lot of similar discourse of like Xander has an idol that everybody knows about that Leona tried to steal from him. Why is nobody pushing him to play it? We found out after the fact too late. The answer was nobody considered him a legitimate threat. And so they found no need to flush the idol because he's basically a walking goat at this point.

And I'm not going to say that either Joe or Eva are goats at this point. We got a lot in this episode openly about how Joe is the biggest threat to win this game. But I wonder let me plant a little seed her and we'll see if it blooms or not. But could the idea be that actually if it's Joe, Eva and insert third person here, be it Kyle, be it Shauhi, even be it Camilla, maybe the reason why Shaheen is so confident that he could beat Joe may be the reason why they are fine going to the end with Joe and Eva.

They'll split the votes. Or because they believe that, I don't know how many of them watched like an Australian Survivor 2016, but honor and loyalty and integrity, no matter what the theme of the season might be, doesn't hold a lot of water in a final tribal council setting when you are dealing with a jury of people that you said there. So there could be a non-zero chance. And yes, I still think there is a personality factor that Kyle spoke to, of how much it hurt him to open up so much about his vulnerabilities on all sides

and have difficulty in voting them out. I do think there is a realistic chance that, be it founded or not, some of these people want to continue with Joe and Eva because they believe if he sits with them in the end, that they will not earn the votes of the jury who are either angry at them for voting them out, angry at them for trying to, you know, browbeat people into going with this team attitude. And as a result, they would reap the rewards.

So who are the jury jury most mad at Joe? Is that what is David the most mad at Joe? It depends. Again, exit interviews. Hold it with a frickin handful of salt at this point. David, certainly, I think if it was like an Eva Jo final two in this scenario, I think David would definitely vote for Eva. He connected with her at old Loggy or new Loggie, I should say, and had a lot of things to say about the things that Joe may or may not have done

to sort of swear that loyalty to the alliance star. I think would vote for Joe over Eva. Star spoke about how she had a great relationship with Joe, that she had actually gave a lot of credit to Joe compared his work to Boston Robb on Redemption Island. I think Mary would vote for Eva from what I spoke about with her. She was really close with Eva and David at New Loggy. She says that when Eva had that conversation with her last episode where she's just like, yeah, just so you know, I'm going to try to keep you around, but no promises.

She actually respected that. And she had a much bigger issue with Joe than with Eva and that she actually married kind of despite the fact that we had this little coconut teta-tet etiquette going on in this episode she actually respected Eva's candor as much as Mary brought to it as well. So it's an intriguing situation and again that might not always translate to jury votes, but there are at least a couple of Eva supporters amongst the jury.

Interesting. I mean, I just, I think it's just too risky to take those two to the end because if they can put it together, like I think that Joe could definitely say like, I had to make some hard decisions here for my family and he could do the whole, you know, I'm doing this for my family and I stuck strong to most people most of the time and I'm sorry that I had to hurt you in that way but I felt it was

the best thing for my game whatever blah blah blah. And so I he might be able to spin it in a way that you know the honor honor amongst all of us and like you might be able to do that. So I don't know I think it's very risky for for Kyle to end Shaheen and like for them not to have made a move here. I was kind of hoping like remember Jesse every time before he actually made a move. He was crying about his family and I was like, is it going to happen? Is it going to like? No, I think I mean, obviously it's tough because you're battling what everybody's perception

is. Okay. So there's six people left. Each of those six people have a different perception on all of the different jurors. There's now what five of them. So whatever the combinatorial whereas Christian Hubecky, when you need them, whatever the math on that, there's like all of these different permutations of how this could turn out. And so, you know, for Shaheen, absolutely, Mike, like I agree with you. I think that that is definitely Shaheen's logic. I think he's thinking I can be Joe. I can talk about how I was the real strategic one. Joe is just the figurehead. Joe and Eva could split votes. Shaheen will win. Like I can totally see that line of logic. And he might be correct in that as well. Right. Then for, you know, Camilla, right, she's obviously trying to advocate

for making a move, but clearly doesn't want to do it without Kyle. So I can see her battle of like how she's trying to debate what she wants to do. And everybody has their own way of thinking in terms of what moves should they make? When should they make them? This is a smart cast. We know this is a smart cast. They are clearly thinking about all of these things because we heard how their pregame interview was. I mean, even Shaheen in this episode,

when he does kind of that like retrospective moment where he's like, yeah, preseason me definitely thought I was going to get here. But now seeing that journey, like I'm a completely different person. I feel completely differently about the game of Survivor. Like they're obviously thinking about all of these things. I just want to, you know, again, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but I just want to see more of that because it's exactly now we're left to speculate on all of this.

I guess it's our job. So maybe I don't want them to tell me everything. No, but I think that there is a largely emotional component that is driving the primary vein of gameplay this season that is largely not talked about. And I've talked about how, again, I think that some of that does span from just how we've been editing as of late, which is much more strategy forward of like, got to make this move here, got to make this move there, as opposed to this season, again, is different in many ways. It's much more about, you know, the connections that these people are making

and the difficulty they have in breaking it. And this is not new for even new era Survivor. I'm thinking back to Genevieve's arc, which is essentially kind of boiled over with Kyle and Camilla in this episode where it's like, yep, I made this big move. And now several weeks later, oh man, I don't want to betray them. I feel really good about them. It's an incredibly difficult, invisible element that I think can come into play with a lot of different people in a lot of different decisions they make on Survivor.

And Chantel, it feels like whether again, just due to the way they approach this season or the way they're editing this season, this very crucial element that's even more crucial this season has gone largely unspoken for outside of a couple of moments in most recently this episode. Yeah. And it's just, it's, I guess it's strange. unspoken for outside of a couple of moments in most recently this episode. Yeah, and it's just it's I guess it's strange. I'm wondering if they don't have the footage like because we know that with the 26 days they don't have that extra day where people can be hanging out and talking and all that jazz.

But like. I'm wondering or maybe they don't think it's interesting. Maybe don't think the storytelling and what like behind the scenes is interesting because they want it to be about gameplay and like strategy. But it's not a very strategic season. There's strategic people that aren't making strategic moves. And so maybe they just don't feel like they can honor the truth of this season. But I think that that's what I wish that they would realize is telling the truth of this season. But I think that that's what I wish that they would realize is telling the truth about any season is what makes Survivor great is because you throw people into this game, these different personalities, different characters, and seeing how they play, it's not

going to be the same. And so yeah, I agree with kind of both of you with like they have this blueprint as to how they want everything to kind of go down. And these players are not playing into that blueprint, but they're not really showing why it's not working with them. And so, yeah, I just wish to like figure that out. No, we're getting pieces, right? Yeah, we're getting there. There are pieces there. Like I enjoyed the whole coconut etiquette thing.

Oh, I love that. That was so fun. I really enjoyed that. So like there's stuff going on and I enjoy those Eva comments that I'm just like, oh my God, girl, please don't say that. You can't say that. Don't say that. The hammock. Oh, well, hammock, which I did write down specifically.

I was like, oh, no, but I mean, I got up out of my. I was she's eating so much on these rewards. She was dreaming about a big ham hawk and she just rolled right out of it. Yeah. And I mean, like I was happy to get Camilla's logic as to why she picked Eva for the reward after Camilla wins immunity. Right. So there is like there's moments there. I loved I don't remember who said it, but like there's no out loyal. That was the Shaheen Mary conversation. Yes. So like, I don't remember who said it, but like there's no out loyal. Like that was the Shaheen Mary conversation.

Yes. So like, I don't know. It's just there's there's pieces there. It's just I want to I want to know a little bit also why Mary felt so ostracized in some of her exit interviews, she felt that she was kind of left out. Nobody was having any conversations with her. Like we didn't really see that, obviously, with the result. What she was proposing of left out. Nobody was having any conversations with her. Like, we didn't really see that. Obviously, with the result, what she was proposing to people wasn't landing, and we get that.

And being the only person that's kind of, and the whole Little Alliance are working together, understandably, like, they might be left out. But I kind of would like to see a little bit more about how she was feeling like an outsider and how she felt like, okay, like, I tried as hard as I could, but it was time for me to go. And for someone like Mary, who's trying so hard for the whole season,

for like 20 days that she was like ready to go at that point, because it wasn't fun for her to be trying to play with these people. I would have liked to see a little bit more of that as well. Like a little more of her struggle, a little bit more of why Camilla was like, oh, yeah, like she's she's acting too, you know, chaotic, like we've got to get rid of her. And I'm like, well, she's acting that chaotic and it's kind of reasonable what she's doing and she can't really do anything without you.

So I don't know. Why don't you use her? Yeah. I was just, I wanted, I wanted more of that. Yeah. I do wonder, you know, as we start talking with these players over the next couple of weeks, if this whole star and Mary stuff also might have come down to the fact that like, star and Mary were sort of associated with this David contingent that was targeting Shaheen,

that saw Kyle and Camilla as a pair that it's like, yes, in theory, it's not just the numbers that these are two people that you could flip. It's that these are two people, one of whom was very actively onto you as a tight duo that would make you very reticent. Even if on paper it makes sense to jump aboard. Your adventurous side rocks out with the dynamic sound Yamaha. Regular U owns a library card. Adventurous U owns the road with super all-wheel control. Whoo! Regular side, alone time.

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The other thing I will say on top of all this is another reason why I enjoyed this episode more than last week's is the fact that we got a spelling bee that would make scripts roll over in their grave. This seems to be a challenge every season, I think, officially, not only because of the frustration that comes with building the little arch, but because it allows people to come up with some of the oddest phrasings I've heard on Survivor quite some time.

And literally after a few scenes where we had people purposely say weird things that challenges to get idols. It was very surprising. I'm not to shame anybody that isn't great at spelling, but I was very shocked by, you know, we can we can lovingly shame the shit out of got fun betrayal, like got some betrayal. Come on. But what is betrayal in that like spelled like that?

I'm like, what is that word? But like, like, OK, we need we need to really like digest this. We really need to sentence diagram this because. How on this planet do you think that like, aha, a traditional survivor phrase to end the puzzle and crown my fourth necklace achievement? Got funnel betrayal. There's Sir, sir, there is there is no ad.

I guess it's a verb noun adjective and it's very basic, but there is no way any of this belongs in any sort of grammatical correct sense. Got fun betrayal, like one of Jeff's many pocketed catchphrases, got fun betrayal. You think he'd make T-shirts? Like I think he might have to lead in and make the got fun betrayal T-shirt.

I think so too. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, maybe Joe missed a season and that was the season where that was Jeff's catchphrase. Like, we don't know, we don't know. And I think that's the other thing too, is so I am a terrible speller. And when I saw how long that arch was, I was like, forget it, I'm out.

Even sitting on my couch, looking at all the letters fully fed and rested, I was like, I'm out. I can't do it. I would be the first to put together got fun betrayal. But like I would also know that this is definitely not correct. But I would. Who knows? Like, maybe that's my favorite part is that like, I don't think Jeff. Jeff didn't make Camilla say the word right.

Like when specifically when Joe stepped back, Jeff's like, say it. You verbalize your mistake, sir. You live in this embarrassment. You thought I was cringe. Look what you're doing, sir. The cringeness is thrust upon you. But also like the back, okay, wait, hold on. The back of it also.

So the back was un- Oh, Jeff, love Brad. I guess the Brad. I mean, I guess the Brad. He's been he's been. I think the other thing that I'm not sure if it's true or not, I have to rewatch the challenge. I am like 65 percent sure that after Joe got his word wrong.

Mitch, yeah, and spelled out. Got fun betrayal. I don't OK. I don't remember the timing, but Mitch was absolutely spelling out got from betrayal. Even if it came before, you're trying to cheat off of the student in this class right now. You're like, oh, I don't know. Jim, teacher Mike. All right.

Give Mitch some credit here. I mean, I understand his logic of like, OK, this guy's in the lead. Clearly, he's on to something. Let me try a peek at this. Godfrey Patrell, I don't get it. But you do you, Joe. You've won immunity more times than I have. You must've won something right.

Who am I to judge? I wonder what he was thinking though in that moment. Maybe he was just like, okay, he was like, I recognize the word got and I recognize the word fun. So let me at least put in what he's doing. And so if it is good, I'm like right there behind him. So I don't know if he actually

was like looking at all the words and non words on a whole, I think he's just like recognizing familiar words, and then was just like, Okay, let me just copy him just so I can be saying neck and neck. I think you're just not even thinking. Like I'm just imagining I would get there. And I'm just like, shit letters. Like, what are even letters? And then I would just like start trying to put together like something I recognize. Or maybe I like my thought was I was like, I the how bad I am at spelling. I was like, do the shapes of the blocks dictate the order? Like, is the keystone piece like more slanted than the outside? Like, I went because I can't spell.

So, you know, like got fun betrayal, though, is such a classic. I think it's definitely up there with some of the other survivor misspellings that we've seen in the past. It's instantly iconic. There's a couple of instantly iconic things that happened in this episode. I mean, that even if this episode might be forgotten in the annals of survivor history, got fun betrayalrayal and David's standing will live on forever

just because they're absolutely incredible. I do wonder if I were to ever find myself out there, you don't get any penalty for shouting Jeff's name, do you? Like to come in track? Not even, because I feel like when you say like, Jeff, you know, come over like I'm done, then he comes over and checks it. What if I'm just doing the puzzle and I just say, Jeff, and then that causes everyone to like jump a little bit, you know, to like get a little bit of especially in this one

where it's very finicky. It's all about maintaining, you know, this sense of calm, this sense of sereneness. If I were to disrupt that a little bit with a punctuation to just spook them just an inch to make them feel like the game is over. Could that be enough to send them tumbling? Oh, I feel like that would be in the rules as to what you can and cannot do in this challenge.

I feel like it would be out of the rules. But I do think that there could be a way that you could spook people. I feel like I just saw it on a TV show. It was on the challenge where they faked, I think that's what I'm saying it was, that they were getting it wrong. I can't remember what happened,

but it did try to spook everybody. It made everybody start checking and panicking. So I think you're on to something. That's what I'm thinking about, yeah. When they said check and they put their thing up, even though they were wrong. Everyone's like, well, shit, I got to put it in now. And they lost the challenge as a result. OK, here's my proposal.

We've seen this before where you can win an advantage in a challenge. Right. Like, oh, they get to skip a round or whatever. OK, it's the air horn advantage. Yes. You're doing it all all of a sudden just. Or like the balloon popping advantage, something that makes a loud noise, like scare people into dropping their blocks. I think that that could be valuable. So I don't even think you need that.

Like I could just be doing it. I just go. See how jumpy people are. That's the evolution of strategy. We went from yelling Jeff's name to then having to have an air horn to just bring your head off. Listen, if you tell us right. And the rule is you can't say Jeff's name until you're done. There's no rule against me. Just Banshee yelling.

What's the rule against yelling? Imagine. OK, I'm you know, when Christian Ubicki did the thing where he? Imagine, okay, you know when Christian Hubecki did the thing where he was talking, Alex is, okay, I'm just like, ah! I'm like, how loud can you scream as long as possible? I need to do that to any challenge. Like the Gabler, you know, the one with the thing where David is, just imagine David doing this

and then all of a sudden Star just goes, ah! And then just imagine David doing this. And then all of a sudden, Star just goes, ah, I can't imagine that. Oh, my God. Yes. Lloyd, the Lloyd Christmas strategy, make the most annoying sound in the world and everyone will drop out. Just start yelling. Oh, I want to see that so badly.

You're welcome. Survivor 50 contestants, if you want to try it out, first case is free. So my challenge academy for more tips and tricks out there and start a yelling. Say, listen, Laura came in here a couple of weeks ago with some incredibly salient advice as to how to practice these challenges. I've got to try to match her.

I know, right? She's like, yeah, your proprioception and the center of gravity, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yell loudly. Just yell. Doesn't matter what. Just yell. Well, let's get into mourning a character that we were all yelling about her boot in the midst of not losing out on Joe here, the person who got voted out unanimously after her umpteenth tribal council on the bottom. Let's talk about Mary. So, Liana, we loved Mary in the preseason,

spent many words of wisdom. She continued to do so in my interview with her, which I was very grateful for. When we talk about, again, storytelling and showcasing emotional arcs and the truths of living out there on the beach, famous man once said, survivor is not fun. And so I'm grateful to people like Mary who are able to come onto these situations where they're very much under a microscope

and be like, yeah, I didn't have a very good time for many reasons. So I guess we are. The question is, how good of a time did you think she would have in the preseason? Well, I don't know if I had like a happiness meter for this. Maybe we'll include that next for 49. We include like the hospital pain scale. Yeah, exactly.

On a scale of one to 10, how much fun did they have? OK, so I did have Mary making the jury. I said Mary has a rough start to the game after losing her closest ally, Stephanie, in the very first tribal council. But she. Thanks, Mike. You're not going to mess with me. I know that strategy. But Mary bounces back by finding an immunity idol and idling out Justin. After shaking up the tribe, Kevin and Say decide to align with Mary to eliminate Cedric.

Come the merge, things start to fall apart again after Say and Kevin are both eliminated, leaving Mary all alone again. Unfortunately, this time she's not so lucky as the C squared, K squared and the storm chasers team up to eliminate Mary, the last remaining Fula member. She tries to find another idol, but no luck this time. Her ally was Stephanie, an idol, Kevin then say, and her enemy was bad luck. Stephanie and idol, Kevin then say, say, yeah. Yeah. Stephanie and idol Kevin, then say, say, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was ready to come in and advocate the point to you anyway, Leona, because I very much came in this, obviously, with the knowledge

of I'd been to the first tribal council and I saw that Mary was left out of the boat. And I'm like, this feels a little bit like putting my whole freaking arm on the scale. But no, I mean, you you equalize the shit out of it anyway, by your incredible guesswork. So I'll just quickly read through the much less lofty prospect I had for a Mary. Because yeah, suffice it to say, when I saw that she was the only one left out of the vote, I'm like, oh, no, this is not looking good for Mary. So she went in the prejury. I wrote after being the only person who didn't know Stephanie wasn't going home,

including Stephanie herself. Mary finds herself in hot water, but she's able to quite literally swim through it as she's able to prove her worth to her tribe in the very next swimming challenge, as well as put her money where her mouth is with shit talking the abilities of previous players. Despite being on the bottom for the entirety of her game, meditative Mary, it's like a match game, decides not to panic. And her Zen approach pays off handily as say sees her calm and brings her in on a crucial vote to take out Cedric.

Unfortunately, when Vula goes to tribal council, yet again, Mary's time in the therapist's office is up while she tries to get Justin to force a tie against say he does him fight on that proverbial crust and she's voted out unanimously. Someone will come up with a let it be parody in the one tough called Stephanie simply because of the Mother Mary lyric. That one's yet to happen, but, you know, still time.

It still happened. Her ally was, quote, nobody except the ocean. And her enemy was everybody. I mean, she did have that moment where she was trying to pretend like it's all cool. It's calm in the pre-merge when she was just laying in the ocean, just chilling out. And then that started safe, freaking out. Oh, my God, just chilling out. And then that started, say, freaking out. Oh, my God, Mary has something. Mary has something. So I could see it. That's very kindly on it.

But this is Chateau not to do your job for you. This you clearly. I mean, I my mouth was I gave what I heard. Some of the the notes that you predicted, Leona, it was I think you really were tapped in, tuned in. That was a very psychic prediction, I would say, that you had there. Like that was like 70 percent accuracy. That's pretty, pretty, pretty good.

So I would definitely be giving this one to you. Great work. And this is interesting because, you know, reading back or listening back to your narratives, Leanna, and looking at my own, I mean, C squared, K squared is the storm changes. If I remember correctly, make up a pivotal part of your end game. And that's where we are at the moment. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I Joe Eva Shaheen, Camilla, I had all of them, you know, going quite deep. So, and I think Cuthrow Kyle in there as well. So yeah, we'll see how the end game shakes out. Yeah. What do we anticipate here before we move into the game? Do we think after these past couple of votes, it is as straightforward as like some order of Camilla, then Mitch and these next two votes. Or do we think that it seems like Kyle and Camilla are going to be up to their own tricks of throwing people under the bus, that this could be the time it actually sticks?

Well, everything that they usually show us in the preview is completely wrong with what actually happens on the episode. So I don't think it's good. I think it's going to be become straightforward. I would I would assume that like Mitch is going to go out this round. I don't think that Shaheen is going to get spooked and get Joe and and even together to go against Kyle and like, I just don't see that happening. Even though they have been saying like, oh, like nobody knows that we're together

and that we're a duo and so and the one thing, though, that maybe make me have a different thought process around this. But the fact that Kyle admitted that he was a lawyer to Camilla, that's the only thing that worries me a little bit that they won't get there together. So if that's the case, you think it would make them stick together? Well, I think what I'm looking ahead to with next week is that I think they're going to try Operation Throw Shaheen under the bus again. This time, I think. And but I think they want to try to have Joan Eva vote out Shaheen.

Yes. Right. But do you think it's going to work? Because, like, I'm wondering if it's going to blow back and split the two of them apart, right? If that's the way the director like, you know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know. I think it could legitimately work. And especially if we're looking ahead to like,

why would people want to go to the end with Joan Eva? That could be a very clear going against the grain of what you've been promoting. If it's like, yeah, you're the third in our final three alliance that we built from day one. But like, good, I heard you're plotting against me. So I got to get rid of you now. Like, again, I'm not building up too many hopes because low expectations are the key to happiness.

But if I were to predict something that was against the ordinary of this season for next week, it would probably be that. Mm hmm. Yeah, I think there's definitely a possibility. There was a joke and special on the next time on that was like, I mean, it's seemingly Shaheen's going against us. But is he really like there's still like Joe is still like questioning that. And that to me makes me think like, hmm, OK, I don't know. I just I think that Shaheen confess I keep going back to this.

I know I like I keep mentioning at home to him, please. Like, can you please shut up about this? Can I show where Shaheen is like, I can be Joe like that confessional is emblazoned in my mind. And I just can't help but feel like that is like, I think the there's a reason why Shaheen will not turn on Joe, and I think Joe would not turn on Shaheen. And so I just feel like that they still continue to go together towards the end, that and the whole Kyle and Shaheen betrayal kind of thing that we saw really early, like even pre jury slash right at the beginning of jury. Just like, OK, I'm still waiting for that to come up. So like this is that moment.

And then it puts Kyle and Shaheen against each other. And I think Shaheen ultimately ends up going further. But I don't know. We'll see. But by Mitch, probably. Let's be honest. Mitch. And then if something wild probably, let's be honest. I said Mitch. And then if something wild happens, it might be Kyle. Bye bye, Mitch's. Oh, got fun betrayal.

I do. Yeah. Well, speaking of got fun betrayal. Oh, I do. We shuffled things up in the immunity challenge. So we're shuffling things up for this game. It's our classic anagrams. I would recommend that both of you pull up a list of the cast names. Wikipedia is a perfect place to do that because I have taken the cast's full names and I have put them

into an anagram generator and generated. Hopefully it will be as exciting as got fun betrayal, but no promises. So for example, Bianca Bianca roses is her full name, which anagrams to raises bacon. It's amazing. I mean, technically that's what pick farmers do. So maybe she has a secret career that we're not aware of. Also, she's got no acres bias,

but she does have car noise bias. So I don't know what that means. I mean, yeah, when you live in a big city for long enough, you're done with those car noises. You want to hear anything. Just car noise bias, man. So anyway, so the way this is going to work is you both will pick your own air horn yelling Jeff noise, whatever you want to pick that will signify that

you will answer because both of you have the opportunity to answer each one of these anagrams. So for example, if I were to read car noises, bias, then Mike, if he wants to answer exactly, Chantel would yell and then would have the opportunity to answer. If you are wrong, it goes to the other person for an opportunity to answer. Do we understand the game and are we ready to get unscrambled? Can I can I offer something a little unconventional? Let's hear it. Can I try a gesture for a buzzer?

Yes, I will allow it. Can I stand up when I need to? Because I will allow it. Only if you do the hand thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm doing. OK. Yeah. OK. Perfect. That's the only way I will accept it. I'm doing that. I'm doing like the, you know, seventh grade choir pose.

Yes, exactly. Or like when something happens and you're like in a play as a kid and you just don't know what to do and so you just stand there like that. Oh, it's very much giving. I don't know what to do with my hands. Yeah, exactly. Oh, that is a great mic. You've chosen to stand. Chantel, what would you like to do for your answer?

Am I just gonna be fried chicken and waffles? Yes. Chicken and waffles. There we go. Okay. Bring it back. Well, the cringe moments of the last two episodes competing against each other.

Oh. For the glory. I love that. I love that. Okay. Fabulous. Okay. So let's get started.

Your first, and I'll read a couple for each person if we don't get it right away. So your first anagram is, aha, a great skill, Mike. Aha, a great skill. OK, Mike has. Oh, so complimentary coming from Camilla Carteguesu. That is correct. Yes. Another one for Camilla was a giant shark like mule. Oh, I don't know how to ride that mule. The grand canyon could stay unexplored. I don't know what that is, but it's creepy.

OK, here is your next anagram. Adam thong skirt. Adam thong skirt. Or could it be thong kit to Mars? You have a big mouth. Fried chicken and waffles. Yeah. Chicken and waffles. Thomas, I don't know how to say his last name.

Yes, it is. Oh, Crottinger. Or obviously, as the king, he is that motor kings. It's another anagram of his. All right. Which were the two thong ones again? Adam thong skirt. Or thong kit to Mars or kit to Mars thong.

I don't know. May as assume what Elon Musk wears when he goes to Mars. Adam thong skirt. I mean, this is a very tiny person. And so like, oh, it's so small that the thong is like a skirt. It's an Adam thong skirt. I mean, this is a very tiny person. And so like, oh, it's so small that the thong is like a skirt. It's an Adam thong skirt. All right. We're all tied up going into our next anagram. And this one, the beautiful fairy lakes.

Oh, fairy lakes, but spelled like fairy, not like fairy. What's right? Dick and waffles. Yes, Chantal was first. Kyle Fraser. That is correct. Yeah. Oh, I got confused by your fricking homonyms, Leonis. Spelled fairy, not fairy.

What the hell? I was waiting for one of you to ask me to explain which fairy was which. That's what I was about to say. And I was looking at Kyle's name. I'm like, I guess this could be the like the boat. Yeah, like the boat, Gary. Not like Tinkerbell, Barry. But I will say his name also anagrams to rare sky elf.

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Why scars, sir, son? Which I don't know what that means, but I like it. We are all tied up two to two going into our next anagram. Next anagram is breathers peeing. Oh, either or perhaps brighten seep here. Oh, we have an answer from Mike. Yes.

Stephanie Berger. Yes. Stephanie Berger. Yes. Stephanie Berger anagrams to breathe. Before Brighton sepia. Oh, or if you're David peering their abs, perhaps. Oh, I mean, that's what everyone was doing when David stood up. We were peering their ass, peering their ass. Your next anagram is defend crack med.

Defend. Oh, yes. Mike is already standing. I really am trying to embody David by just standing immediately. That is the one the only Cedric McFadden. Yes. Or damn CD reef deck. I mean, he's an older man, Cedric. He probably has yelled at a CD deck or two. Yeah. All right. We've got two more.

Chantel, you have to get this one right. If you want to stay in the game. Here is your next anagram. Version cake. Version or virgin? Version, not virgin. Version cake. Uh-oh, Mike is standing.

Eva Erickson. That is correct. Yes. I didn't go all the way down the list. I couldn't see it. Ah! I know, she hasn't been eliminated yet. She's at the bottom. I was thinking, oh, virgin cake like like all my birthday cakes.

Oh, well, also you could have rice because OK, rice Evans is also another for you. My seven. Right. OK, rice Evans. I'm sorry, Rice Evans. Is that like the knockoff version of Rick Devon's? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, listen, you don't want that guy, Rick Devon's. I'm doing pretty fine with my rice Evans personally.

Yeah, he may not found an idol, but he found a lot of stuff that looks like it. He doesn't do the weather. He does take talks about the amount of clouds in the sky. But Rice Evans is just as good as the real deal. Absolutely. Tmoo Rick Devons. Okay, Rice Devons. All right, your last anagram is,

style in charm. Ooh. Style in charm. Oh, style in charm or perhaps Mr. Chain style. Oh, chicken waffles, fried chicken waffles. Unfortunately, Chantal, I believe Mike was standing first. I think it appropriate if I give it to Chantal here. OK, I might be wrong. Is it charity? That is correct. Why don't I give it to Chantel here. OK, what you got is a charity.

That is correct. I want to give it to you. I want to be charitable. Oh, that's so sweet of you. Yes. OK, so those are all the ones that I pulled for the game. Congratulations, Mike. But it was a tight and tough battle. There were a few other sort of funny ones. Mary had like nothing.

I wanted to do one for her in honor of the eliminated boot. The only one the anagram generator could come up with was Germany Hertz, but like HZ, like Hertz the unit. Like the rental car service? No, no, no, no. No, I don't, yeah, the Germany version of Hertz. Joe Hunter is Other June. Okay. Which was very fun.

Shaheen didn't have a ton either. Oh, I said run via half. It's all I came up with. Did you do yours, Leanna? Do we know what yours is? No, I didn't do mine. I we've been ours in the past. I've done this so many times.

I feel like the new era. I feel like my name wouldn't have any good ones. I don't want to have that F. That F. If you throw in my middle name, Renee, like give you some letters, but maybe too many E's. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't think I'd have any good ones now.

Um, stars was yo, Storm 8. Oh, I love that one. Oh, yo, storm eight. Yo, I mean, it feels very with it. It feels very Gen Z like. Mm hmm. Mitch's is Q right arm because he's a gym teacher, I guess.

So I get very theatrical as well. Enter right arm. Mitch throws the ball. Yeah. But yeah, those are some of the some of the fun ones. So anyway, listen, even if the game plays not being mixed up, we got to mix up some of these letters today and form some new identities for these people if they have to go into witness protection after the fans come after them following this season.

Yeah, exactly. They might not be having got fun betrayal, but they could be rare. have to go into witness protection after the fans come after them following this season. Yeah, exactly. They might not be having got fun betrayal, but they could be rare sky elf. If you're Kyle or was a sassy, shy, cool corn. Yeah, Chrissy's sassy, shy, risky corn. If I were to ever God help us go agrarian, that would be what I would paint on my road sign of like, come get this cord. It is sassy, it is shy, and it is risky.

That's what's fun about it. Yeah, that's the fun part of eating cordy. It gets the risk. I mean, that's what Jeff says about Survivor, right? It's dangerous. So it's just some dangerous corn. Well, to finish things off, as we typically do on the baby, we turn to much like corn, a very sweet treat at the end, which is

we see the time to our guests to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them that they would like the listeners to know about. And possibly if they have, you know, the resources to do so also support. So, Chantel, it is all up to you. What would you like to highlight this week? Well, I don't know if you guys heard, but in in Canada, in Vancouver, a few weeks ago, there was a Filipino festival where there were a car drove in and there was 11 victims.

Well, one of the victims was the wife of a friend of mine. And so it's been really quite traumatic in the community. He's an actor. And so he has like tons of friends that are just kind of coming forward and trying to help support. So first, firstly, there is a GoFundMe that, you know, if anybody would be wanting to support, absolutely. But I thought that since a lot of people are from the United States,

that maybe to highlight the National Center for Victims of Crimes, because there's a lot of crimes that happen around the world where people just don't have support and don't have resources to be able to get any sort of counseling or, you know, even just maybe having your food made for you for a week because you just really have to take care of your kids. But like, you don't have that extra support or whatever it is. So I thought that maybe highlighting some support for, you know, unexpected crimes that have happened in people's lives and having some resources to help them get through it.

So thank you so much for highlighting that. And I'm so, so sorry for your loss as well as everyone else. Yeah, the loss in so much tragedy. It is admittedly incredibly tough to pivot from that. But thank you so much. I'm tell. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's it's one thing that is beautiful, though it is bringing communities together like you never want to see a loss

like this happen, absolutely. But he was really, really emotionally impacted by the support that he's getting from his community, his friends, people around him, and even like, you know, across the country. And so, yes, it's a time it was very sorrowful, but it's also it shows that there is hope and there's still good people in the world and people still can come together. So, yeah, we can we can lift it up a little. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and that and like it is an unfortunate but also important reality check when we sit here and complain about a TV show that it's like, OK, we all come together and can support and love. And even if it's, you know, an unfortunate season, there's more things in life. So we let it go. We move on. We love. Well, Chantel, thank you so much for coming.

Talking about this season season about this episode. Always great to have you on giving your thoughts and you get the chance to do so so much about so many different things out there in the wild maelstrom that is reality TV. So people want to check out your thoughts on so many things going on in the world of reality television, where can people follow you? Well, following me on like at Stanford Friend on Instagram. I'm getting better at being up to date on that.

And then reality realness with three S's is my YouTube channel. But on R.H.P., I actually have been on a couple of things recently. So I did a retrospective with Taryn talking about BB 19. So that just was released last week. So if you want to check that out. And then also, I was lucky enough to be a diner on Top Chef for Restaurant Wars. And I was able to get Haley strong. You even ate or whatever.

We ate at both of the restaurants. So I went on the Top Chef podcast to talk about Restaurant Wars and our actual experience there. And then on a recap kickback, I've been talking with Chappelle about Pop the Balloon. And, you know, it's a Netflix show and it's been it's been really fun because basically Chappelle and I are getting into each other's business about like our dating life and how we are in relationships

and what our X are and our red flags. So it's more about us just getting really nosy about like us as dating people. So, yeah, that's some some stuff you guys can check out. Now, far be it for me to derail an episode of the B&B, but I am intrigued to know, in your opinion, should there be an element of pop the balloon that gets incorporated into Survivor? Like we've had this touchy subjects challenge in the past where people vote on like who's, you know, the one set up to win, who's the most obnoxious. I feel like there's there's something there that you could then, you know, transpose over to a pop the balloon style game. So like it like first impressions or you mean like with like how you do?

Yeah, I think I think I think. Well, I think what you could do is you could do. Well, it could be a journey. It could also be, you know. Nope. I got it. I got it. You remember that first journey in Survivor 46 when it was Maria and Tevin and Jolinski? And it was like, who has the voter card and who has the torch card? You do that with three people.

But to your point, it's like give first impressions of each other. Like talk about what's going on with your tribe. And like if they if the majority pops the balloon, then you lose your vote. You know, it's like it's like, all right, I don't know about this guy. I'm not feeling trustworthy of them. So I'm going to deprive them of vote because I'm getting the from them. I mean, I think it could work.

I mean, they've tried a lot of other things. So why not try pop the balloon on the island? Wouldn't be worse than the dice rolling dice. And like, like to be better than that. Yeah. I mean, we're in the kind of like Yolo era of survivor. Right. Like, yeah, just try it. Well, bunny trapped in a mailbox. Like, what are we doing here, people?

Like, sure. Go for it. Try whatever you want. You know, if not, just bring the balloons to the end of that challenge. And then you just sort of pop it to make everyone drop their blocks in an instant. Boom. Done. Easy. You need to be on that team. Liana, as we can tell from the video version, you are getting settled in. We're making progress, though, but the pal is still going strong, correct?

Oh, my God. Yeah, we're off the floor now, which is a start. We're in a chair, which is great. We love that for us. The pal is still it's happening. It's a little bit of a mess, but it's happening. We're trying our best. I think this is the first one we're going to be recording this week where we actually have some furniture in the house. So it is baby steps,

but we are getting there. Wait, so wait, well, how did you, did you sit on the floor when you recorded last time? No, we did buy, we had, so the one we recorded last week, we had our outdoor wicker chairs that we brought in and we sat in those. So that worked pretty well. And then we have some bar stools that we had used the week before. So but now real chairs. So don't mean to brag, but we're sitting in tile.

Yeah, I wouldn't pop the balloon for that. A lot of people have Joe and Eva's backs, and so do Liana and Puyas chairs. Moving forward, you can check out all the stuff I'm doing. I did my interview with Mary, as I mentioned before, but again, really appreciative of her opening up about a lot of stuff that was both seen and unseen from her time on the show. Amazing race. We got two episode finale coming up this week. Back to back episodes.

I'll be back on Friday with Jessica Lees breaking down the ending to that. Plenty of other stuff happening. The Last of Us is somehow barreling towards its ending. Andor is ending this week. So it's all out there. You can check out what I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type. That's going to do it for this week on the B&B. Believe it or not, we have two episodes left of season 48.

So again, regardless of where this is going, this has been such a fun time, as always, talking this through due to getting the chance to just shoot the shit with people like you, Leona, you, Chantel, even in times where there are episodes where there are less than ideal outcomes, where we feel like things are fairly, you know, straightforward, even if the editor is presenting it as not so much. We still have a great time here, and I hope that people have been as well. And so we got two more of these things to put in the can. If you have any last minute game ideas, feel free to send them in. Let us know your thoughts.

We are not judging whatsoever. Maybe Leon and I will come up back next week and start spinning things with our feet just to bring something new to it to your point, Leon, about the sort of like whatever throw anything at the wall and see what sticks type of plating that comes with some of these things. But it was an odd challenge, by the way, build a tower while turning it with their feet, even had the most appropriate reaction, which is like, What? OK.

I guess so. Well, we shall see how much the game is afoot next week as we'll be together talking about the penultimate episode of Survivor 48. Special thanks to Scott St. Pierre and the entire team behind the scenes at R.H.P. for packaging this podcast for your eyes and ears. And we'll from America for the national anthem of the B&B. So damn it, you all better stand. David's way ahead of you.

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