RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 48 B&B Ep 12 with Aman Adwin

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

Survivor 48 B&B Ep 12 with Aman Adwin With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor […]

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This was our last regular episode proper of Survivor 48 and what an episode to break down. We finally reached this mythical six that this group had been pushing towards for the past few and afterwards. And a big dose of it that could possibly set up a very sudden shift in maybe some winter equity moving into our three hour finale. Of course, I am Mike. We have assembled today a legendary panel.

And I say that because we got legs and we got Gary to. I'm always by Leona Boris. Leona, how are you? Yes, I'm doing well. I really enjoyed this episode for a lot of different reasons. So I think for the first time in a couple of weeks, I'm finally excited to really talk about this. But yeah, and also of course, absolutely excited to podcast again with our guest this week.

I was going to say, how could it you not be considering that? Look, we got a big dose of Big Brother news this past week. So he's getting himself prepared for it. As we also talk about what I've said is the past couple of weeks as one of the most big brotherly seasons of Survivor we've gotten in some time. But of course, he has his hands full as well over on the RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 10 Rook Cap, as well on we know reality TV.com.

It is the great Amon Adwin. Hello, I am so glad to be back. I feel like I haven't podcasted about Survivor in a long time. So it's good to be back on Familiar Stomping Round. We just before the podcast, we talked about how the last time I was on the BNB was back in the fall of 2019. So it's been a long, long time. So I'm glad to be back and And what a crazy season to jump back

in on. And I'm kind of excited to just catch up with it and see how you guys have been feeling about everything. Which is fun, because there's been certainly a lot of discourse, I feel a smidge undeserved of like, is this one of the worst seasons of Survivor in some time? And I'm on, we sort of like, you know, unfroze you, cry-jankly speaking, from our B&B guest list from the Island of the Idols season. So it really is all about context being king here. Yeah. So I think I'm a little higher on this season than a lot of people are. I don't... It's not even that I enjoy it, more so than most other seasons of a big brother of survivor. I guess I just don't have the same issues with it.

Maybe I'm a little I did start I did. I went back to school recently, a little bit of life update. So like maybe I'm not as like in it to like really have as much as intense feelings, because I kind of have my hands a little bit. So it's kind of like more like just like escape viewing for me, but yeah, I'm like having a good time. Yeah, there's, you know, there's the whole Eva and Joe thing that's a little annoying, but like I'm having a good time.

Like I'm like, oh, I'm, you know, it's a survivor to me. And I think from, I agree with you, Oman. I mean, I think obviously I've been, I've had some complaints and some issues with what we've seen on the season so far. Who doesn't like who hasn't even for the best seasons. But for me, I think especially this episode, I think it really sets up a super interesting finale because now we're going in with two duos. But one duo maybe has one more cracks and one match

maybe has some more cracks than the other. And I think it's going to make for a very interesting end game. And I think that this episode also was super interesting. It just was a little bit unfortunate that we had to have two kind of episodes of a little bit of nothing before, maybe three even before we got, you know, an episode that was quite substantial. And that's the thing is that what's tough, and especially the 90 minute episodes, is that it's three

episodes but it's also four and a half hours of content, you know? And so I think very understandably so, especially given the real oddities that have come with the storytelling the past couple weeks. It was a lot of what are we doing here? What are we pushing towards? And I was really riveted by this week. Not only, of course, in, I would say, a pretty shocking boot here in Shaheen. Yes, of course, there is the entire thing when you look at it from a larger perspective of like, why didn't we get rid of Joe and Eva? They're still in there. They're the frontrunners. But like, I don't know, maybe this is wishful thinking

to have a little bit more of an even playing field. But like, I feel like Joe's winter equity especially took a major hit going into the finale, considering that one of the reasons why Kyle and Camilla do what they do besides the fact that Joe wins immunity and Eva is pretty much safe via an idol is the fact that if the narrative that has been pushed by everyone on the way out so far has been Joe and Eva were in control of each and every vote they were the one that dictated who went on paper. If one of them at least were able to sit on day 26 and be like, yeah, remember when we mind freaked Joe into getting rid of his number one ally

by just making up a lie and convincing him it was the truth? I don't know. I'm damning on that resume. Yeah, it's definitely a bit of a blemish. I mean, I think he's had as far as like production is concerned, a really nice, cool, clean, you know, integrity based game. He's got like the family man thing going on. He's you know, he's got his island daughter and Eva. There's so many emotional moments, even Shaheen, you know, when he gives him the chance to come on the reward

trip with him, just talks about how he's just like this amazing stand-up guy, and of course, that's great to see. And I've enjoyed Joe as a character on the show, but, you know, when you sort of lock yourself into that type of style of game, you know, it does sort of leave room for other people to be a little bit more underhanded and to sort of usurp your position as maybe a more active player,

because people that often are like viewed as like, oh, I'm the standup guy, I'm the honest guy, you can trust me all the way to the end, but not always viewed as menacing or as like cutthroat as other players. And I think in this new age of Survivor, I think the cutthroatedness is always going to just edge out like upstanding guys. You know, nice guys finish last in Survivor, OK?

Not all the time, but a lot of the time they do. They just do. I think I don't know. I don't think this is so bad for Joe. I feel like even the edit could have gone so much harder in on him, like because they gave him so much positive content with the, obviously we get to see the full story of his sister and the moment on the beach. And we'll get into all of that, but you have all of that personal content balanced out not really by, oh,

he got duped. Like I felt like the weird edit at tribal council with the zoom in on Joe while he was thinking like contemplating, I almost felt like that was the producers trying to give him credit for, oh, but he's thinking about it. Like, he's not going to get like super duped because he's like really considering all the options at Tribal Council. And then I'm wondering if Joe and final Tribal can just be like, yeah, Kyle got one over on me.

That was the one move he got over on me. Whereas I ran the whole rest of the season. Like I think there's a universe where if Joe just owns up to like being outplayed in that one moment, that doesn't discredit the whole rest of the rounds that he played. I think it's just a matter of owning up to it. Cause I think back to Mike Turner as well, Mike Turner being the example of, well, if he just owned up to it, you know, whatever. And obviously it's slightly different for him, but it's just really how you sell it at final tribal council. But I think you bring up a very salient point in that I think there is a chance that and granted, I think with 42, we saw more of like Mike's personal relationships and how this wasn't just one betrayal. Like he betrayed high. He betrayed, you know, he betrayed Omer, obviously.

So like, there was a string that he kind of had to speak to that he unfortunately did it. And it seems to be a similar case with Joe. Like, yes, you can make the argument, Liana, that it's like, yes, you could sort of abdicate to the fact that Kyle snowed you. Kyle and Camilla, I should say, snowed you. And I think Joe is very humble enough to admit to that over maybe some of the more overweening people that are in his archetype. But you had people like Star, like David, who Joe also burned, who would need some answers from as well.

And so I do think there is still a part of what you were speaking to in terms of a previous instance that he might have to speak to depending on what energy this jury is coming in with. Yeah, and I think, yeah, there's definitely been sort of this whole dialogue that I've seen online so far of, oh, Kyle just won the game because I kind of got spoiled for how the how the ending in this episode because I caught the episode a little later. And so when I saw that, everyone was like, oh, my God, Kyle just won. Kyle was like, what? What happened? OK, I got to watch the episode now to see

what did he just do that won him the game. I'm like, oh, okay, so he duped Joe. But I do think that to your point, Leon, yeah, there was a lot, even before the tribal council, he was like, you know, I gotta figure out why is this person telling me this information? How does it stand to benefit them? Like, let me pull the whole, you know, dad routine,

or is one of my kids lying to me? So he definitely was thinking about it. But then I also think about, damn, like the people, the other people that he burned, like Mike said, and also like, damn, he just took you on this damn a reward. And this is how this is how he goes out. It just feels so it feels so just like so wrong. But like, I mean, this cast loves Joe.

They just love Joe. They love him. And I so I'm just like Joe, even Shaheen at the. I mean, I'm just imagining him still voting for Joe. Oh, he 100 percent will, because Shaheen also took his vote out as a badge of honor. This is not a David situation. It's like, dude, I was loyal to you. Shaheen, remember, and has elaborated more on it in his exit press, thought he could beat everybody, including Joe and Eva.

So for him, it was more so like, oh, you got rid of the one person that would beat you in the end. Kudos to you. Yeah, exactly. So that's the other thing. I don't think he'll take it that bad. And then for Star and Mary, for example, I don't know. I mean, was Star like, again, I just don't have he'll take it that bad. And then first star and Mary, for example, I don't know. I mean, was star like, again, I just don't have a sense of whether or not star was ever made

to feel like she was part of that group. Because that's the thing is like, if you know you're on the outs and you know that you're going home, you're not going to feel necessarily as betrayed. You might be frustrated that people didn't choose to work with you. But I feel like then you're more likely to take that out on the people who you felt like like were on the bottom and should have made a move.

People like Kyle, people like Camilla. You're not gonna take that out on Joe. I'm gonna be, this is my complete copium as a consequence of having Joe in the survivor draft. But I'm like- Jopium. My Jopium, I'm having a cup of Jopium. Because like, I just, I so really want Joe

to win the role in the draft's it's incredibly valid, though. Like I saw a lot of people post after this episode, despite again, Joe by far being the most kneecapped this season, maybe besides Thomas going home in this past episode of like Joe has one of the biggest main character edits for a winner in Survivor history. And I could certainly see that. I mean, let's talk about the brave Hunter S. Thompson moment in the middle of tribal council where everything gets tuned out.

And Joe is just I don't know if he's if he's like zoning out. It's just kind of like, you know, thinking about did I leave the stove on at home 20 something days ago? But I think, you know, for a cultured connoisseur such as myself, who watches international seasons of Survivor, it honestly didn't seem that weird to me because they actually did something very similar in Australian Survivor this past season, where there were these big live tribal councils where people would get together in groups

and like start whispering to each other. And then they actually, from an audio perspective, like muted everybody else, like muffled them essentially and use that underwater effect. And so I understand, again, this is the first time American survivors doing it. And so it's a lot of attention given to like, what the hell is that? And I just tripped shrooms briefly with, you know, my usually Wednesday night show could replay. And on the other hand, it could be like, wow, they're really presenting

everything from Joe's perspective here. And so I do think there is a large tale to your point, Liana, that could lead to a Joe win here. But I could also see a world where it's just, hey, this was a fun storytelling thing that we wanted to do, that this was Joe's decision no matter where he places. And so we're going to quite literally get in his head and then subsequently showcase that maybe his head is not in the right place in many different ways.

Yeah, I definitely think that there's still a universe where either Kyle or Camilla could pull out the win. I think though what's also very interesting is to think about Camilla had a confessional. I want to say it was in the next time on that was something about like, I don't we can't sit next to each other or something like that. So I'm very curious to see how that goes. Because maybe she's talking about the tribal council seating chart like, oh, Kyle, we can't sit next to each other or something like that. So I'm very curious to see how that goes. Because maybe she's talking about the tribal council seating chart, like, oh, Kyle, we can't sit next to each other.

They don't know we're working together. Yeah, no one knows. And no one knows we're working together. Yeah, I don't know how just how impressive everyone else is going to find the two of them working together, because it really has been a huge part of both of their stories. I feel like we get at least two confessionals, one for each of them working together because it really has been a huge part of both of their stories. I feel like we got at least two confessionals, one for each of them. Every episode of all like, I'm working with Camilla, I'm working with Kyle, this is the Kyle and Camilla show. And I'm like,

at the end, is this really going to have the payoff that they wanted to have, assuming they even both make it to final tribal council? I'm not allowed me to really just lay out a lore here and see if I can catch something in just a few days time. I think Kyle and Camilla being a secret duo is to survivor 48 as Sue not being 45 to survivor 47. I think if one or both of them is indeed in the end and they make this big revelation, it will be met with stone faces from the jury or them parroting back.

Yeah, we knew we just I mean, that's what Shaheen and granted hindsight. Twenty twenty, we've had a string of these exit interviews where people were like, yeah, of course, a clock that Kyle and Camilla were working together, Shaheen, the most recent example being like, I actually had something secret going on with Camilla. It's just that I didn't call it out because they were working together to my betterment. So, yeah, I'm intrigued as to why this has been such a big part of the narrative.

If indeed it was the case that people were blocking it in the moment, it might just be that if the two of them either get thrown into fire and a full fire making hands each other or they sit in the end together, then it's like, look what these two were able to do and what they were able to work over the course of 26 days. Yeah. Or maybe something also to the effect of, oh, if one has to betray the other or something like that, you know, and whether or not that's in Final Four fire making or at five.

Yeah. And then Mitch, Mitch is also there. So. Oh, I feel so bad for Mitch. Oh, my God. He got such a beautiful like introduction to the Survivor universe and he's got such an inspiring story with, you know, struggling with a stutter and everything. I was like, oh my God, like this is, you know, this is something new for Survivor.

I know a couple people that that's better in my life. So it's like, oh, this is nice to see a little representation like they're just as capable as anybody else, you know. And it's just been. Yeah, I guess that's the thing is like, would you rather this is a big would you rather big gestal, would you rather be Mitch? Mitch is at it two episodes ago where it was like he was vocalizing to us why he wasn't making a move and everyone got pissed at him

Or would you rather be the Mitch of the past couple episodes where we just haven't seen him at all? Bead oh, I don't even know how to answer that I guess I would rather just you know what you know what you know what? He is just because he's coming up with this big You know bravado story doesn't mean that he can't just be as bad as everybody else. So, you know, I guess I'd rather him, I guess I'd rather him just fail, but fail in a beautiful way, you know? That's so funny.

No, that's exactly what I was gonna say was I was like, I love the producers building up like, yeah, he's just as capable as everybody else. And you wanted to know else, he's just as capable of being bad at the game as well. Yeah, he's like, I'm playing with a bunch of knuckleheads. And it's like, I can't think of a better example of when you point one finger for pointing back at you than that Mitch Stenbite.

Spider-Man meme. Yeah. And I mean, I think also like when he was mad at Shaheen for taking. I mean, I do understand the whole fueling Joe thing, but again, Shaheen seemed OK with Joe, right? So like, it probably wasn't an issue for him. That's the thing. It's just so funny. Despite what he was sort of floating out to Kyle, it really did seem like Shaheen was

totally fine going to the end with Joe and Eva. So he had no problem feeding Joe as much stuff as possible, because if anything, he wants to feed his ego so that he takes him to the final three and then Shaheen sweeps them. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. One, especially if he thinks like if Joe and Eva might split some votes, right? Then that could also be advantageous for Shaheen and then he can come in and win. So I mean, from his perspective, I totally understand that plan.

Like I totally understand why you would go forward with it. But yeah, it was just funny that Mitch was so frustrated. Yeah, I want to talk about that either thing, actually, for a second, because I mean, aren't and I always perk up as survivor fans, right? Whenever we see someone which I'm sure they talk about this all the time, but that makes the edit that someone's like, oh, so and so doesn't have a chance of winning

or so and so has a greater chance of winning against this person. And we see that one of the reasons why Shaheen doesn't want to target Eva, at least what he vocalizes to Kyle and Camilla is, well, I think people can beat her in the end. And I wonder how much of that was true versus Shaheen just blowing smoke. I mean, there's a secret scene this week that for many reasons indicates to me that Eva is probably not going to win this game, where for those of you who don't see, like she really has a bit of a breakdown in this particular round because she

says that I'm someone who has relied on my physical stature the entirety of the game. And I believe the the quite literal quote that she ends up using is my low physical strength is definitely destroying my mental strength, too. I don't think I can do anything else in this game other than wait and hope. So it could be maybe they're they're focusing the lack of cognition edit on the wrong person. There might be a possibility that Eva is just shutting down from a pure like nutritional perspective and that's really getting in her head. And so as a result, she is definitely easing off the gas a lot more than her partner in crime in Joe. And that's one of the

reasons why he's perceived, I think, as the winner out of the two if they sat in the end together. Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting journey for Eva because obviously she has this wonderful story and message in dealing with her autism and learning how to relate to others and navigate some of the missed social cues and all of that. But I do think that as beautiful as that story is and as wonderful it is to watch her get the support, you also can't help but still think, is now issue two, reliant on other factors

in the game, whereas I might not have to deal with, maybe I don't have the same struggles that she does, but where does that struggle end and like her skill actually begin? And for her to be as self-aware as she is to realize like, oh, I am kind of, I'm kind of at my limit right now. You know, I think that that's great, but it's also still like, yeah, I mean, we all see you struggling too. And I feel like you are getting a lot of help here.

So where do we begin to critique your game and reward other people that are kind of stepping in? So it's been interesting watching that. Well, and I think also to that same point, like some of the castaways might not even be asking themselves that question because Eva is in such a clearly defined duo. And when you have two people who are in a duo

with maybe, I guess Dom and a Wendell would be the only exception. You know, people have a tendency to drift towards one and see one person is more of the leader of that duo, regardless of how both people are contributing. And so Joe just automatically takes that spot. So then I think people might even just, you know, brush over Eva and just thinking like, oh, she's just Joe's sidekick. So you don't even have to think about, oh, what did Eva bring to the game? What is she doing that's unique? Because you've already slaughtered her in that position.

It's so funny because like you, you see someone like Eva on the show, you play with someone like Eva in the game and some of your impulse is to automatically be like, oh my God, like I want to support her. I want to be a part of her journey. Like we see Star in many episodes again ago. Give her an advantage in everything. And so you're like, you're sort of like building up this legend in Eva.

And then all of a sudden, a couple of weeks go by and you're like, ooh, we gotta get rid of one of these guys. Like, this is not good. And it's like, well, you kind of created that monster. And so it's kind of- You pulled the switch on the Frankenstein-esque lab right now to bring this to life. Yeah. Right.

And it's like as Eva, it's also kind of like, like what do you, because obviously you're not gonna say no to people showering you with love and advantages. So at some point you're like, okay, well, I'm gonna take this. But then it's you're like, okay, well, I'm going to take this. But then it's kind of like, now your profile is automatically heightened. You didn't necessarily ask for that. But

now you kind of have to play at this sort of like, higher level, because we want to expect it of you now because you're all eyes are on you. So it's like, how do you sort of like navigate that? And then the minute that you do fall back back or the minute that you do have these moments of weakness, we're like, I am done, I'm spent. Everyone is just going to see it as like, well, you kind of been skating through this entire time anyway. So it's such an interesting thing to have to to have to deal with. Yeah. And I don't know.

I would not be surprised if there was like a non-zero chance that Star had that in mind when she came out. I don't know. Like, yeah, that big old game, a hot potato. And you've held down to this spud for way too long. So because it's also Leanna, you and I brought up last week the Xander comparison, right? I'm like, why is no one getting rid of Eva if she has an idol? Maybe it's because even if she has an idol, no one's necessarily feeling

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Oh, I like I have never won to admonish or criticize anyone's parenting skills. But this passive aggressive BS would drive me insane. Like it's the entire situation where someone comes into a conversation with you and is like, do you know why I'm mad at you? And you're like, I don't know. I have listen, look at my own mental deficiencies. I could come up with a laundry list of free. That's why any person is mad at me at any point in time.

Do you want me to start going through the compendium at this point? And also, this really reminds me of like some of these social strategy games where again, they come in with this incredibly well placed lie. Shaheen brings this up in my interview that like Joe wasn't incredibly vulnerable place, just given all the closure he reached with his sister following the letters. And so they're like, all right, let's slip right that in under the doormat. See if we can, you know, get our foot in the door in that way.

that and under the doormat, see if we can, you know, get our foot in the door in that way. And so Joe is trying to get Shaheen to admit to something that he doesn't have, that he didn't tell anybody about. So Joe's like, he failed my test. Do the test was an algebra and you're in history class. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No one of my studying was gonna help me pass with this. And it's so annoying, cause if I were Shaheen, I would be like, I would be so heated cause my mind would instantly go to,

okay, I fed your ass. I gave you burgers and love. This sounds like you are looking for a reason to just get rid of me. And so I guess like me inviting you on this reward really meant nothing to you. That's where I mean, I think Shaheen really took him to the chin. You know, we all saw how he left in tribal council. So, like, you know, more power to him. But that's how I would react to that.

So I was sort of like, you know, you're right, Mike, that he was sort of like in a vulnerable position. He had just, you know, he's having, it's an emotional episode for Joe. So like, I give it to him there. And it is the end. So like anybody is willing to flip at this point, it is final six, like, you know,

people are thinking about, they're smelling the money. But, you know, like you said, think about when and why and where someone is telling you this. And so just this all of this like heat that he had for Shaheen. I'm like, yeah, like, well, buddy. Also, not for nothing. The exact same thing happened when y'all were on a tribe together with Kyle and Camilla pulling the wool over your eyes and working together.

So I'm like, OK, come on, Joe, you know, you know this, but you've got to give credit to Kyle because we see both Camilla. And I think Joe obviously side with Kyle socially because that was the thing. It was like, who do you trust more? And they were more sussy of Shaheen for, I don't know, whatever reason. I guess Shaheen gives like sussy energy. But they were willing to side with Kyle, despite the fact that Kyle had pulled the wool over their eyes with Camilla, which they both do exactly here in this moment.

So it's like, OK, come on, Joe. But yeah, that whole interaction with Joe going up to Shaheen, I am. Oh, my God, it was horrible. It was so funny, though. So good. It was so good. I mean, like Shaheen at his best, as much as I love the positive presence that he had on the way out and continues to do so through looking back on the experience, in my opinion, the best Shaheen is incredulous Shaheen.

So really, like every time he has a reaction to the Joe paranoia that we experienced last episode in this episode, it's so good. You know, him talking about how this is supposed to be the fun part of Survivor. But I feel like I shit in your pancakes or materials or whatever. Or that confession where he's like, Cheer up, buddy. You get to walk around with your shirt off. Not always are lucky. It was like it was such a nice, like PG weighted version of being like, bitch.

Yeah. Get your ass on. Yeah. That plus his Joe impression, which honestly pretty spot on. I really like the crow Magnon was so good. But I was just I mean, for me, the biggest question mark, I was just like, Joe, just straight up ask him. Now, obviously, the key thing is like, Oh, well, if the answer is yes, you're going to spook him and he's going to play it and then fine, whatever you get out Mitch or like, what, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. It just felt like, uh, I guess I understand the

logic. Also remembering, like, even though they did just have the reward, they're also sleep deprived and food deprived. And I think about whenever I have conflict with who you and we have to have a rational adult human conversation. And even when I'm rested and well fed, that can be challenging. So I do understand that as well. But I really made for great TV. This was such a good episode. Well, there is also another factor that could come into play

that maybe was not as apparent the first time I watched this. But I think there's a non zero chance that really Kyle and Camilla know how to put on a show. This was the second time they got to do so. What if they added some props here and I give them props for what they were able to do because there was one opportune moment where as Camilla is dramatically telling the tale of Shaheen allegedly approaching her with this idol crack, a palm branch falls behind her. Joe grabs her, brings her out of the way.

I think there might be a sizable chance that Kyle just hiding in the background and waiting for the right moment for him to hack at that tree. So the branch comes tumbling down because it's a win win in my opinion. Either if the conversation is going horribly, this is a great distraction of like, all right, let's reset the conversation. You know, things aren't going terribly well. Let's put Camilla's life in danger. And then maybe that'll help Joe get back to square one.

Or this is the metaphor of crack of lightning. You can't control the weather and survivor, but you can control the foliage. Mm-hmm. That was where my mind went. The minute that that shit happened, I was like, oopsie, God, don't look ugly. You over here lying, your ass fall off. You're about to get struck down.

Like, I've sent me religious ads, so they've been like, ooh, okay. God is coming for you. It's waved by God. I've got me religious ass would have been like, oh, OK. God is coming for you. Swayed by God. That is so funny. I mean, and look, you know, it was a very emotional episode for Joe talking about how he couldn't protect his sister.

It's just playing on that. He's trying to protect Camilla with the tree falling on her. But yeah, no, I love that. They go out, you know, also. Well, you know, and that's that's that, you know, but now that we They go all out, you know? Balls to the wall. Exactly. Now that we're talking about it again, like that is really, I was kind of impressed about the whole, you know, okay, well, let's go to Camilla and let's have her double down

in this lie. Let's contextualize this. Let's give this more flavor, more story. Let's have two people tell it the same story, but in a little different ways, from different points of view, because then it really just solidifies in Joe's head. OK, yeah, this has to be this has to be, you know, there's got some legs to this, you know. Yeah. And not to mention, again, given the emotionality of the reward,

I imagine there was some time when Joe had to go, you know, be with the off by himself, very understandably so at the reward. And that's where we get that Shaheen Kyle thing where Shaheen's like, I just want to talk all the options out loud. You know, I'm on seamless at this moment and I need to talk through, do I want Chinese? What am I feeling for Chinese? OK, with pizza, I feel like I might want olives. Do I want olives? And Kyle's like, just give me the entire menu because I'm going to serve you up a blindside pie right now. And so it also helps the narrative where, again, Kyle could easily say, yeah, when you were gone for X amount of time,

Shaheen pulled me aside and said this to me. And Joe was able to at least have that time frame to kind of corroborate with it. Mm hmm. Yeah, the timing was definitely weird for everything. I also felt like there was also a universe. I didn't I mean, there were so many moments where I thought this whole plan wasn't gonna work. Like I felt the idol- It's Operation Italy 2.0 in that way. It's like, surely this must fail.

There's no way this is actually gonna work because I felt, oh my God, you guys are overcooking with the beads. Like don't even bother, just say like Shaheen wanted to turn. That should be enough. Why are you going full idol? Like they know everything that happened in terms of their idols, right?

Like why would Shaheen but I mean credit where credit is due they got it They made that plan work and God or no God they got Shaheen out of this game Be the God you wish to see in the world Exactly Well, I think it is You know, I think we can't necessarily talk about this episode as well We're talking about a topic that we broached a couple of times, but really the emotionality of Joe's story.

And this is something that has been crucial to not only him, you know, running the game the way he has, but even being out there on the island in the first place, the fact that his sister was really the fan that got him into the survivor, that she was pushing him and her to apply for years. And he kept saying no. And then unfortunately, when he did apply, it was too late. The fact that he was playing there for her. I said this a couple of times, but I was out there for the day one match at where he said the very first thing he basically told everybody in this game was that he was out there for his sister and the fact that she died due to domestic violence, which I think also explains that there were some, you know, some people out there that were like, why did Shahid and Kyle not react in any way?

And when Joe talks about his sister, like they knew, it's okay, they knew three weeks ago, but I am so happy for many reasons that the story gets represented. Unfortunately, domestic violence is a horror that affects so many people and continues to do so. And to experience it from Joe's perspective as well and how heavy that carries in his heart, and in particular, the sort of confession he makes about the guilt that he feels of not only

the lack of closure, but this idea of like, I should have been the one to protect you. I mean, I don't know. I do not want to psychoanalyze someone that we've only been watching for 12 episodes of 90 minute television, but like, it's not your fault, man. Don't put all of that onto yourself. And Joe is someone that has worn his heart on his shirtless sleeves. And that goes to show here that it applies to his personal life as much as it does to his survivor life as well. Yeah, it's it's rough. It's and I'm glad too that he has been able to begin some semblance of healing with the situation like that, because, you know, as we all know, it's it can be very, very messy, very, very hard to deal with. And I can imagine that like, yeah, of course, you feel like you need to be the one

that steps in and save somebody from that situation, whether it be a sibling, another loved one, whoever it is in your family. Yeah, you want to be able to, but I think that this side of the story I think is very important in being told and that like, yeah, well sometimes that person can't be saved because, you know, reasons, like people get stuck in these vicious, vicious toxic cycles. And the only person that can really save that person is themselves sometimes. I don't know Joe's specific story, but like, you know, we've heard many, many times that it can until that person wants to be out, they will not get out. And so it's it but then, you know, not only is that person then destroyed, but the people that are around them can also really,

really be affected for many, many, many years to come. So yeah, it isn't necessarily a happy ending as far as his sister is concerned, but at least at the very least, he's able to get to a point where he's able to get the beginning of healing. Cause I don't think anyone ever fully heals from that. All you can really do is continue to grow and continue to realize that like, you know,

you did what you could. She did what she could as well. And you just move on. It was I cried so many times in this episode. Like it was absolutely heartbreaking. Both the you know, the family visits always get me even as much as I try to say, like, I know I love family visits. I me even as much as I try to say, like, I know I love my visit. I'm sobbing. Like, I can't even for the players that I might go home. I'm like, oh, they have a family. I know. I love them all.

No, yeah. The thing that really got me was in his speech on the beach, his beach. Yeah. If you will, when he says, I need you to know that I'm sorry that I couldn't protect you from that monster like, oh, that fricking walloped me. Oh, yeah. Like I thought I was done crying. And then Joe does the moment on the beach. I'm so grateful that he led us into his life to experience that because it was such an emotionally powerful moment.

And I think knowing the fact that him and his sister fought like the night before that also absolutely crushed me. Like my heart goes out to him, my heart goes out to his family, my heart goes out to anyone else who's in a similar situation. Like it's just, it is a situation I would never want to wish on any single human being. And to be able to see his perspective and to see him have that moment, I just I'm just very grateful and very appreciative that we got to see it. And for him sharing that story, because even now, just talking about it

and thinking about it, like, it's just hitting me so hard emotionally. And you have to wonder as well that I had imagined to a certain extent he was able to compartmentalize and focus on the present. But like, again, he was out here because of her. He says before he he, you know, ends up getting up, I wanted to be Joanna's voice. And so how long do you think he was waiting for this moment, if not days, years to be like, I am going to go on to the show that you always wanted to be on. I wanted to play on your behalf.

And I wanted in this moment to feel cosmically, spiritually, what have you connected to you in some way? So I could tell you all the things that I wasn't able to. Like, it's an incredibly, incredibly special moment that, to your point, I'm very happy that we were let in on because I think it is also a really nice reminder that as you mentioned before, Amon, there will be times, especially when a majority

of steamrolling through a season, when you can get frustrated and outright angry at some of the things people are doing, including as well, as you mentioned before, a bit of the hypocrisy that sometimes comes from like the best way to play the game is with loyalty and integrity and anything else is looked down upon. But like these are living, breathing, sometimes flawed individuals at the end of the day.

And I think it did come at the right time, as much as we're going back and forth as to like, was this a good Joe episode? Was this not a good Joe episode? I do think that getting a firm reminder as to his big why as to why he's just doing all this in the first place was really, really nice to, I think, at least remind us that this is somebody who feels like he's out there for a greater purpose than just a million dollars. And he's used to walk around without a shirt.

Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, that's a good point. Because, you know, like, reminds us all. And it's just like it humanizes them. And, you know, like, when you're when something like when you're writing on something as deep as that, you're going like you're going to care so much that sometimes you make the best decisions. and sometimes you make bad ones. And it's just, it, you know, it's just all in the name of trying to win this for whatever cause that you have. And I just hope that he knows, and I think that he is, you know, old enough and wise enough to know that like, even if he doesn't win, like he was there for a reason

and he did his absolute best. I think the only way to fail at this is to go out there and to give up, and clearly he hasn't win. Like he was there for a reason and he did his absolute best. The only way to fail at this is to go out there and to give up. And clearly he hasn't been doing that. So I think, you know, from my humble perspective, I think his sister's memory is honored strictly in that. Like, of course it's lovely to win. And of course, you know, you want that big epic finish.

You want that poetic finish. But I think just being there, sharing that moment with us, like that I think is that's reaching a lot of people. And I'm sure he's going to have a lot of people that tell him that, you know, that if they haven't already. So, you know, I'm just I'm just glad they were able to see it. And it was done in a way that didn't feel too gratuitous and too. Yeah, exploitative. Right. Right.

Because sometimes the show can veer a little into that, you know, y'all producers, y'all be doing too much sometimes. But I think that this was very Joe driven. And I'm thankful for that. Yeah. If only they sent Jeff Probst out there to give him a hug. Oh, my God. Like, damn your mom. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, your mommy now. Exactly.

I think I'm your sister now. No. Well, I think that's the other thing is like I had been one of the concerns that I had levied against this season was the fact that I didn't understand the motivations behind some of the decisions the players were making. And I do feel like this episode, I got so much more clarity on why the players were making the decisions that they were making.

And also especially a good reminder of why Joe is playing in this way, why Joe is treating Eva this way, why, right? So that's just, that just makes the episodes, I think so much better. I mean, on top of that, obviously we got an exciting ultimate outcome, but also, we just got to see more of the thinking, the thought process, how these outside events in these players lives dictate how they play the game. And that's so beneficial to see. Well, let's pivot to start talking about our usual BNB fair,

and we will go back to the boot of the episode Shaheen, be he beard guy, SD, whatever you want to refer to him. Shaheen has finally left the game before we get into our predictions. I'm on. We were missing out to point out that Shaheen did refer to this reward as survivor euphoria. Yeah, I mean, I have a sense, sure. You know, what would you rather see?

Would you rather see Survivor colon euphoria where it is the cast of euphoria playing Survivor? Would you rather see like Survivor euphoria where it's a bunch of like moody drug addled teenagers playing Survivor? Oh, it's so hard. Oh, it's so hard. I think I would rather actual, I guess this is the exploitative producer of me, I'd rather be a drug-addled, moody teenagers play survivor. I think that would be just epic television. What a season. I think that would be just epic television. What a season.

I think that would be crazy. Even if you just want to go from the youthful angle. Listen, we've got a fair amount of survivor babies within the community, considering that our contestants are naturally older. Yeah. So just throw them all in a season together, make that survivor euphoria just without any of the HBO ask elements. Just like it's euphoria because they're young and let's see what happens. I'm here for that.

I'm totally here for that, for the legacy of it all, because I think that that's like the ultimate bragging rights. If you have birthed a child that also wins a survivor, like can't nobody tell me nothing. OK. Well, let's talk about Mr. Leg a see himself in the form of Shaheen. Leona, let's start with you. Now you have name drop the number of alliances in the end game.

And Shaheen, I believe, was a part of the storm chasers. Correct me if I'm wrong here. So what did you forecast for him? OK, so I appreciate the pun. First of all, I had Shaheen and making the finale so close. Shaheen, our Persian king. He may have wanted more fire making, but he personally missed out by getting voted out at final five. Shaheen created a super tight alliance called the Storm Chasers with Joe and Eva. I won the game both in pre jury and post jury until Camilla convinces Joe that Shaheen will beat him in a jury vote.

The Storm Chasers hunt their own as both Joe and Eva, alongside David and Camilla, vote out Shaheen in a 4 to 1 vote. I know, right? Shaheen gets a hero send off from the editing team for his strategic gameplay all season. And I am personally amused by the irony of Shaheen saying he would never cut his number one ally in the preseason only to be cut by his number one ally, Joe. His allies were the storm chasers, Joe and Eva, and his enemy was Camilla. Leona, every syllable that came out of your mouth just buried my case further and further. And I will say that case was already six feet in the ground

because folks Shaheen Davari was my winner pick for Survivor 40. Oh, I listen. There are some there are many reasons behind it. I love the chair. I felt like he had a lot of good stuff working for him that he was able to talk through a lot of the interpersonal elements that he was put on the right tribe, as I'll get into that I would allow him to not necessarily need to vote the first half of the game.

And I'll also admit, at least part of me was like, I got to keep this this string of 46 affiliated people going like I owe it to this guy after I made him this odd sort of like C tier legend of the free season last time in forty six. Like the least I could do for this poor man was make him my winner pick to make him feel like it was all worth the the mythos that surrounded him up to this point. But all that being said, here's the the yarn I spun for Shaheen

and how in my mind, in my universe, in my French vanilla fantasy, if you won Survivor 48. Despite his Icarus-like tendencies to fly close to the sun, Shaheen plays it cool in the first phase of the game. Laghi's winning streak prevents the teacher from having to vote the first half of his tenure, and that allows him to effectively play the middle of his tribe with nobody getting to cash his bounced checks.

While Shaheen does his best to sit on his logic bully tendencies, we'll get many Jeremy Collins-esque, these guys are so dumb confessionals as he attempts to figure out the brains behind this brawn forward cast. When the individual game hits, Shaheen prides himself on becoming the rebound girl of the season.

In a game that's all about duos, as people get picked off, they'll slide into their island DMs to lock in as their new number one. We see this happen with both Thomas and Eva, Mickey Shaheen, the most well-connected person in the 48 endgame. Shaheen will win an individual challenge, saying he's doing it for his mom and shouting out how he hopes this win will get extra fantasy points in his Propstie Fantasy League at home. Despite Shaheen's people skills making him the most social player of the season, he finds himself on the outside looking in at the final four, a purple dot and a sea of orange. It's then that he truly turns his speech and debate Rizan. And I don't know if that's like the human torch Rizan. I was like that.

That was very that was giving me very Johnny Storm. I love that. Rather than practicing fire, ironically speaking, Shaheed spends the afternoon talking to Chrissy, saying she would finish a distant third in an all SIVA final three. And to the shock of many, including partially Shaheen himself, he wins the argument as she chooses to take him to day 26. Shaheen touted to me in the preseason that he can make an argument for anyone,

but he gets his money's worth in an opponent when he goes up against Kyle in the final tribal council. It's the age old battle of the secret lawyer versus the public speech and debate coach, the guy who banked on relationships versus the one who made use of gambits and advantages. And as Mother Nature intended, the social eight, the strategic as Shaheen gets crowned the winner five to two. Shaheen's win marks the third season in a row where some are involved

in Survivor 46 as one. As a result, the majority of the fans put their chips behind whoever from 46 is coming back for 50, considering its 100 percent success rate. His closest ally was Joe, Thomas and Eva. His enemy was Camilla because she targets him because of everything from the Survivor 46 preseason. Yeah. Mm hmm. OK. Oh, listen, it's ultimately a losing story, but it is a story at that.

I will be publishing this on A03 at the conclusion of this podcast. I was here to say, how do you be writing? Is you an author? Is you a journalist? Because that was good. Oh, man. Yeah. OK. Well, I'll take that point. Thank you very much. It's pretty wild, though, to just like look at this man's two year journey from again, doing way too much in the survivor 46 preseason

where everyone was talking about him to now like getting his chance to play. But then, you know, very much having to change his game based on the people that he was playing with, supposedly going out as like the number one threat to win the game and being so freaking happy at the experience he had. Like what an up and down journey for this man. And I am so enthused and flattered that I got to experience even just a smidge of it. Getting to talk with Shaheen all the times that I got to. I mean, he also made waves in the preseason of this season, too.

Like we still started getting him mentioned. You know what I mean? Like truly an iconic player both in the preseason and like on the season itself. Like you can't take away what he brought to the show. Let that be known. Future Survivor players like this is the bar. Now you want to be talked about to the level that Shaheen is. Maybe that means that you need to peacock a bit like Shaheed

did with the beer like having a noticeable facet that is distinct from any other facet. I mean, if there was another beard outside with Shaheed for Survivor 48 for many reasons, he'd be able to hide a bit more. But if you have something that you want to tout, just know that that's something that you could be easily identified with. And so steer into the curve a little bit. You know, you got eyes on you making a show, baby. Mm hmm. And don't forget his legs, too. You know, oh, those legs need to be in the museum.

Yeah. Amon is Shaheen, the Naomi Smalls of Survivor, considering how much he talks about those legs. I mean, you know, I typically on is Shaheen the Naomi Smalls of Survivor considering how much he talks about those legs? I mean, you know, I typically have one crush, whether it be a survivor or a big brother season, and Shaheen was mine. So, you know, I guess I guess I definitely will. I will co-sign the legendary status for Shaheen. Although I will say that I wasn't really noticing them much until he. Although I will say that I wasn't really noticing them much until he. I know, right?

It's really the she's all that of legs like what those legs. But the more I look at them. Yeah, I'm like, OK, well, you know, I know they took the glasses off and put their hair down and all of a sudden. Wow. Look at those little eggs. Oh, listen, while all eyes are on these players, I think it's time we fixate upon a part of them that we usually do, but have not this season so far.

But let us finally cross over that threshold as we engage in a BNB tradition. And it only makes sense, the mom, that, of course, you are talking about drag race in which a pivotal component are the looks that get brought to the runway each and every week. Sometimes that is outright a challenge from the show proper. And so it's only fitting that we open up our own look book here and we play buff or snuff. Survivor 48 version. OK, how this is going to work is I'm going to present an outfit or a clothing item that someone from this season has worn.

We will talk through respectively whether we buff it, we like it, whether we snuff it, we do not like it and why. This is an incredibly visual component. So for those of you that are listening along, go to bit.ly slash buffer snuff 48 to follow along because this time around now look, maybe as a reflection of the cast proper, there's not a lot of like unique kooky outfits popping out across everybody. So I will say, much like any good ball challenge, we're going to be focusing on, especially in this first half, a lot of multiple looks from the same players.

They got options going on in the new era. Okay, I am down for the tootin in the booting in the stuffing in the buffing in the at all. All right. Well, let us start with the man of the hour and a half. Let's start with Shaheen here, because Shaheen has had a fair use of tops over the course of this season that are of note. I want to start with this one. So this is a shirt that Shaheen wore in the pouring rain

during the one individual challenge that he won in this most recent episode. It's a little tough to tell from this picture, but it seems to be crocheted in some way. Yeah, I know. You know, Kikor did not necessarily exist as a CBS personality prior to Shaheen going out. But maybe he slid into her DMS, knew what was happening and got her to make him something special.

He also wore like a pretty neat thing for his cast photo as well. So clearly this is a type of fabric that is something that's very much in his wheelhouse. But Liana, when it comes to this top in particular, buffer snap. I'm just imagining it getting wet. I feel like it's going to be so heavy once it's wet. Like, I like the way it looks. Also, he looks incredibly broad. Was he always like he looks like he's part of the strong alliance

for a reason, Leona. I was like, apparently, yeah, Amon was on to this all season. I had no idea how broad chested he was. But I just I'm just imagining it being wet and like soggy, like the crocheted material. I might have to snuff this one. Hmm. Well, you know, I do love a little sweater. I do love one of those. But I didn't even think about it getting heavy. That's a really good point.

It's got to be functional, you know. But I just the color is what really does it for me. I think it pairs well with the skin. And so for that reason, I'm going to go with a buff. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to kind of I'm going to buff it as well, because listen, I usually chastise people who wear sponges out there, essentially incredibly absorbent material. And this is another case where due to the knit due to the fabric.

Yeah, this seemed like especially in this challenge where it was just an absolute monsoon. Though according to Jeff, that is something that every survivor player waits to happen to them. Shaheen faced it, you know, eternally so considering that I'm not sure even to this day if this top is still dry. But I kind of acknowledge like the meta narrative behind it, which is like, I'm soaking up this experience right now. This is finally my chance. Let me take in as much stimuli as much of the natural environment as I can and carry this with me. Yes, I might get double pneumonia from it, but when I'm hacking up along, my mind will just be in pure paradise, dreaming about the fact that this top is going to contain so many memories of the 20 something days I played. Mm hmm. I mean, also, like he chose to wear that out there.

So maybe it's not so bad. I mean, in turn, when I mean, wear it out there, I mean, he may. You wore it to this challenge. He knew it was raining, right? And he chose still to wear this. So maybe it's not as bad. It is not one of those things where he's like, oh, is it rain? Oh, God, is it raining outside today?

Raining yet? Let me check the weather. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, let's go to another Shaheen top here because again, he's a man of many different shirts. This is a fun little number. So this is from a rather memorable conversation with Kyle. Amon, do you want to describe like the pattern on this shirt, the variety of them, for those that are listening?

It's sort of like giving a gray scale version of like some of those 90s. Yeah. Patterns that you would see it, maybe like a roller ring or like a Chuck E. Cheese carpet. Yes, I think I went on a carnival cruise that had the carpet that was. Yes. Yeah, this is like and they walked all over him in this episode. So yeah, yeah. And it's you know, it's obviously also get breathed.

Maybe it's some type of like Egyptian cotton type deal going on. But nothing to write home to mama about, I don't think. Yeah, for me, as much as I talked up wearing absorbent material, I don't want you to dress like your grandmother's throw over the couch with plastic on it. So this gets a snuff from me. It's too busy. It's too busy. And for him, like I think his kibbe essence is something a lot more simplistic. So I would have to go with the first shirt over this one.

So if I stuff that one, I'm definitely snuffing this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, I do like what's under it. There we go. I mean, that's a representation of what brought Shocking down was like much like the Dan Flashes as patterns on his shirt. His brain was too busy. He was thinking through too many options all at once.

And I got his foot in his mouth. All right. I've got one more top from Shaheen here. They really give people a lot of options here in the new era. And here is another one. This is a party animal shirt. If I've ever seen one. I don't believe there's an animal on there, but it is this like vibrant, bright purple with like maybe it's leopard spots.

Maybe it's just this sort of almost camouflage sequence of of spots around it. But Shaheen is someone who really opened the Pandora's box of club condo mythos this season by talking about like, yeah, it's like when you go to this party and then all of a sudden you get brought to this other party, it's a lot larger. This seems to be a shirt that he would typically wear on like a Saturday night when he is gallivanting around the town. Yeah, for sure.

It's like I don't even know what that pattern feels like. It's like a little bit of cheetah going on in there, a leopard. Looks like some clouds in there. It's very it's kind of giving a little bit of cheetah going on in there, a leopard, looks like some clouds in there. It's very, it's kind of giving a little bit of like a, like a, like a 70s, new age slash like Gen Z type deal going on. Like, you know, I like it. I think it looks cute. This color looks so good on him.

This color purple and also the pink, I think, look really good on him. I'm not like super crazy about the pattern, but I could see him wearing this for like a club condo party. So I take back what I said about the patterns. I will I will buff this one for him. Yeah, I mean, it makes me incredibly excited for what he's going to wear as a juror, though. Yes. I'm not sure. Could he have already expended like his wardrobe?

He's like, oh, should I actually pack this for Ponderosa? I didn't mean to wear this out on the island. Yeah. Whoops. I was waiting for the after party. Yeah. All right. I am excited to see what he loved. He struts out with in the next jury. Well, if there's one cast away, that might be more fashion forward on Survivor 48 than Shaheen.

It is Mary. Mary touts a number of outfits over the course of this season. And so let's get into it, shall we? This is the first one. And Leon, I want to bring this to you because it's actually an outfit that you brought to my attention from last week's episode. Talk to me about this

on some going on from Mary. Well, this is, I think, from like five or six weeks ago, actually. So some of these looks I had grabbed with the thought like, well, we'll probably do buffer. So eventually I was rewatching an episode for like Cedric pictures or something.

I don't know. I don't remember. And I ended up saving this one. And I don't know why. But for me, it's the combination of the hoops and the shirt that like are giving classic, like 90s vibes. And I just am absolutely obsessed with this. Plus her little shorts. She looks so cute.

And she doesn't even look like she's out on Survivor. She just looks like she's on hot like beach holiday and is just on vacation. So for me, I just think that this is such a cute fit. Mary is my crush of the season. So I'm definitely buffing this. I think she looks adorable. Marry me. Yeah, maybe. This looks like the outfit that you wear on your flight,

on your travel day to the White Lotus before shit hits the fan. Yeah. Yeah. This is like your last little bit of normalcy. And then that button is going to get popped off them. Them them gene shorts are going to get ripped. Your hair is not going to be looking the same ever again. Yeah. This is the quiet food store. That's the thing. This reminds me of almost like you speak about maybe

Liana, this being immersed in like a 90s pastiche of like teen show works a summer job at the club. And it's like, well, Mary, the shirt is part of the uniform. But you could add some embellishes if you want to. It's like, great. I'll wear my hoop earrings and I'll wear my shorts to prove that I'm a little rebellious. Yes, I love it. It's three three buffs all around, suffice it to say.

Well, let's get into more tops here than the entire outfit. I want to go from again, a rather tight fitting top to just a big old baggy hoodie. So this was one of Mary's many tribal council looks. That's I guess the good thing about going to tribal council a lot is that you get to show off all the looks that you have prepared. In fact, I believe this is what she was wearing at the tribal council, where her shot in the dark hit and she was spared from being the third person voted out. And so due to it being purely lucky and maybe it's the fact that it is sort of this like sickly Irish green to it. I'm on. I have to buff it.

Her. Yeah, it was a green might be her color. Purple is Shaheen's green is hers. Because she literally had a confessional where she's like, if I could burn my green buff, I would have. I think I know I girl. I think it looks good on you. I think it looks good on you. Yeah, this is giving, this is giving gamer core. This is giving Twitch streamer in your hoodie type, you know, just big comfy old hoodie. I'm here for it. I think that she looks very just like modern and new age

and just like, she just looks like she's just too cool for you and I'm here for it. I know, right? Again, with the hoops, accessories at the hoops is so cute. And I love the fact that her little beret matches the hoodie color, which is just such a nice touch to have that green on green. The buff looks really great with it, but it's like a slightly different shade of green with accents that match the hoodie.

I'm just really obsessed with this look. I would absolutely wear it. So I'm buffing this as well. It's so cute. It does make me wonder when it comes to the idea of accessories. Like clearly, Mary had this around that she brought it into the game with her. But we've seen like people's socks get burned before. If you feel addicted enough, could someone have like buried Mary's earrings if they had the initiative to do so.

Maybe if they were lucky, but I don't think the earrings really were the lucky bit. I mean, I would have, you know, maybe I would have I would have said I would have stolen her earrings. I thought that was going to send her over the edge. You know, you got to play these psychological warfare games against people. You got to. Well, no, actually, you know, the ultimate mind game. Hide one earring. Yeah.

Oh, my God. That's give her the false hope that they're there, that they're both there. And you just haven't found the other one. Oh, don't even spit that into the universe right now. I'm unpacking and I'm like, please let me have all my pairs of. Please let all of them have made it because one is the absolute worst. If you lose a full pair, it's like, OK, fine. It's like it's gone. Yeah.

Yeah. He's like, whatever. It's gone. I don't know where it went. If you lose one, you like hold on to that one with the hope that eventually the other one will show back up and it just never does. And then you just have a pile of earrings with one pair. I finally had to get rid of my pile before I moved. I had like five or six just single earrings. It's like, OK, that's what you ever pull off wearing two separate earrings.

Maybe I could try or maybe if I got like just a one piercing on one side, like an extra piercing, I could use from all my single earrings. Yeah, your ears just filled with all of these loose, all the single independent earrings. Yeah. The free earring. So cute. Yeah. If you realize, actually, this season is a lot like earrings. Like everyone's been in pairs. No one's really broken up that much.

Okay. Yeah. Shaheen's the Vincent van Gogh all by himself. Yeah. Yeah. He has the beard to match. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think she went to the second one, maybe to this cute little like checkerboard chessboard number. I guess the question I'm on is that are you implying too much if you're wearing this type of pattern on a mental chess game like Survivor? She's giving like, this is like your middle school production of Alice in Wonderland. And she is maybe either Tweedledee or Tweedledum

because they've done like a little bit of blind casting and they don't necessarily have to be men in this one. Just, oh, she needs like a little pinwheel hat and that'll really just set it all off. That's what I'm seeing right now. I'm not gonna lie, I also did forget about her bangs. I don't bet her bangs were coming into this. Like Tweedledee, Tweedledum aside, I still think that this is really cute.

I think I'm just biased. I'm a Mary fan. I'm going to bump this. Also, I don't know. Maybe I sort of set it up before, but I don't want to create the image of like, this is a complicated game, you know, but but but on the plus side, if I was like, listen, let me live in the camp up you grab some stones. Yeah. On me, baby. I'm your board.

Exactly. Keep me around. You can play checkers on me. Yeah. And I'm keep like I'm soldering this thing to my body. You cannot wear it. Yeah. I come with the sweater. Exactly. You can't put out the universe of the, you know, Natalie, can I have your jacket situation where you put on Mary and then you ask to have her checkerboard so you can continue to play checkers? Like it comes on Mary. You play on Mary. OK. Yeah. Other than that, or like they're just going to take it. They're just going to cut the shit out of it.

It's like, all right, let's just lay out the solitary piece of fabric as the checkerboard. We don't need to play on top of a person. Yeah. All right. I have one more for you here from Mary. And this was maybe my favorite of them. We've done a lot of long sleeve looks, but look, it's he end up over here. Summer is encroaching at the moment. And this is a look that I've seen Mary wear a good number of times.

This short sleeve tank top look with like a bunch of random numbers on it. There's an upside down four at the top. There's eight over her arm. There's another eight. And what's very interesting is that I am watching screeners for a certain show for an upcoming interview or parade. And one of the lead characters, I kid you not, I was just watching a scene where they were wearing this exact top in it.

So it just feels like too much of a confluence of different factors to have Mary's top show up for me here as well. I don't know about this one. Um, you know, it being dirty aside, because they're all dirty out there, I just feel like it sort of reminds me of a random NPC stock character that you see in the middle of a video game.

Yeah. With the game developers were just like, just throw whatever on them, it doesn't matter. And they'll be good. And that's what I'm getting. This is, you know, walking around the house, not going anywhere for days. Just don't give a damn. Yeah, it was, you know, it's fine.

What it reminds me a lot of is like in the cartoons when it's like, well, we got to give this one kid an outfit that they're going to wear the entirety of the show and like, yeah, it's not a Jersey, but it reminds me a lot of his Gerald from Hey Arnold, where he just wore this sweater that had 33 on it. It wasn't a Jersey. It was just a long sleeve shirt that had 33 on it. That's what Mary's outfit reminds me of. It's like kids like numbers, right? So four, eight, throw them all on there. Yeah. The pattern is not it. The cut and the fit are stellar.

10 out of 10 spectacular. It's the pattern on the shirt is terrible. If it was a solid print, I would love it so much better. I'm not really a crazy fan of the color of the score, but you know, fine. It can stay. But I am. I am going to unfortunately have to have to snuff this one, but it looked the fit. It looks so good on her.

Yeah, the score looks like a pillowcase. You think Mary was like, no, I made it past eight. I have to make it to four now. It's been faded. This is my speaking of foreign aid. This is my number. I have to say the numbers are good. I can't tell that like light the lime green. Is that a number? Is that just blocky?

I think it's a 45. I was trying to see if it was a 48. Oh, it is a 48. And then it's four and eight. Oh, it's a 48. I didn't even think about that. Oh, OK. That gives it a little more points. OK, she keeps it.

You know what? No, no, she's on brand. It's a buff. It's a buff. She's the only one. Yeah, we were. We knew the assignment of trust with your. We were talking that shit and we had assignment of dress with your season number. We were talking that shit and we had no idea. Be your own buff. It's one giant buff as a top.

Everyone else is provided 48 printed across these little pieces of fabric they get to wear around their forehead. Mary's wearing it across her entire ass chest. Yeah, this is the expression on her face while I was really giving, yeah, y'all get it now. Yeah, y'all get it. Take a second. We got it. All right. Well, now we are veering away to more singular content here. I want to talk about an outfit that I see from time to time. I haven't gotten like a good picture of.

So this is might be a little bit small, but Eva has. OK, I maybe you two are more fashion forward. You can tell me about this. Is this a vest or is this like a sleeveless top that Eva has been rocking over the course of the season, Liana? What's the difference? No, it's a it's a it's definitely a vest, I think. Right. Because it's a little bit oversized and you can see it's kind of got a pocket on one side.

So I'm going to say that this is definitely just a vest, like more of an over shirt kind of thing. So then what do you think about that? I mean, I guess besides Ben from Survivor 46, I can't think of any people who rocked the vest only look on the island. I'm not really a vest girly, so I might have to I might have. It's also I think it's like it just doesn't fit her super well. Cause I think that she could rock an oversized look.

And I think an oversized vest isn't like inherently bad for her. But I think also with the, her like body type, I'm not crazy about this for her. She's an absolutely amazing body. And I just feel like this is doing her no favors. So I'm going to snuff this one. What do you think, Amon? It does look a little oversized. I love a good vest, though.

I am very partial to a vest, but it it does seem to swallow her up a little bit. So I'm going to have to give it a sniff. I'm going to buff it here because it is giving me is drummer in a middle school all girl band. Like it is like this is the punk rock look that I'm supposed to wear. Right. So I'm just going to wear, I don't know, an open vest. I suppose that's what all the coolest artists do.

I absolutely love it. I love the nonsensical perspective, from my opinion of wearing a vest on Survivor where, yes, your chest is kept warm, but there's also your extremities that are left just completely barren. From what it seems like, Eva does have a sweater that I didn't, you know, showcase here. But like, by and large, this is the other major top that she has. And it basically, you know, exposes both of the arms to just any of the wilderness that might be around her.

So there's a lot of pure irony in me buffing this, but it is such a bold choice. And now we have to see like 46, we had a vest, 48, we had a vest, 50. These returnees know how to dress for the island. We shall see if they will invest in a vest. Yeah, invest in the best. Yeah. All right. Next up here, we have one of our recent standouts from the past few episodes. This is Star.

Leona, this is another not so blind item you submitted to me. Can you describe what we're looking at right now? You want to draw some attention to it. Okay. It's probably the combination of the buff, the shirt, the socks, and the shoes. That's why I was drawn to this outfit. To describe it, she's wearing these yellow New Balance sneakers with geometric rectangular block socks that are in pink, purple and turquoise.

Then she's wearing a purple sort of leopard print, maybe just random spots, but in sort of a stochastic pattern, button up top. And then the, of course, the survivor buff for the season. So I think I was just overwhelmed with all the patterns and the colors. Like a small child just couldn't stop staring at it. I mean, the socks are, for my opinion, the best socks of the season.

Yeah, it looks like I'm on a discotheque floor and I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. I kind of hate the juxtaposition with those horrific yellow New Balances. I kind of hate the juxtaposition with those horrific yellow New Balances. But yes, the socks are definitely top notch. I appreciate it. Colorful. Very colorful. Yeah, much like Starz personality. Like, I honestly, I don't know. Could socks be a larger representation of your personality

more than the actual other pieces of your wardrobe that you choose? My mom would say so, as she is a sock connoisseur and more specifically a finger sock connoisseur. She just loves to have little, well, I guess toe socks, I guess rather not finger socks. Oh, I was like, well, finger socks, just gloves. Yeah, toes. All right. I've got a couple more here for you.

Let's get into. A very fun one that has not been addressed whatsoever on screen, but the person in question has gone to social media to basically say, why did no one tell me I was I looked like a literal conehead out on the island? This is Camilla's like early morning look. It feels like every time we have some of these scenes out by the boat or like tree male, this is actually from that aforementioned secret scene I mentioned before where he was opening up about a lot of her struggles

with associating her physicality with her mental well-being. And so imagine you're pouring your heart out to this, which is Camilla has a hoodie slash jacket that she has pulled over her head, pulled in tight and then tied with a bow. I'm on to make sure that that thing ain't coming off anytime soon. She looks like a little like a little little scoop of ice cream, a little, like a little,

little scoop of ice cream, a little scoop of raspberry sorbet, you know? Just a little frozen treat on a hot summer day. Love that for you, sis. I'm here for it, you know? She looks like she was born and raised in like a, like a like a. I don't know. A bowling alley, a prayer, a prayer girl, a prior nation or something.

It's so funny, but like this is the kind of thing that would happen to me. So I'm going to share something extremely embarrassing. So one time I did this, but I had my headphones underneath my like big blocky headphones. So Puyia took a picture of me and this is my life. You're twig. Yeah. So like I completely empathize with Camilla in this moment because you're doing it because it's like comfortable and it's going to keep you warm. And then you look at yourself afterwards, you're just like, what the hell, guys? Like, why did no one say anything?

Yeah, see, the one thing is that I like this sort of like my wife does it as well. She calls it like a moon grubble look, which is almost like an alien feature. When you pull in the hood taught around your face, I think what's really doing it for me is the length of string underneath the chin. The fact that she did it up with a bow, like she is the presence to give to this season as she has been in her confessionals. Like it's dangling underneath.

It is just I don't know. I get I keep giving the ironic buffs and stuffs in this in this particular podcast. I got to give it a buff due to the fact that nobody has pointed out for whatsoever. And here's the thing. Maybe maybe Boston Rob infamously said that there are small social gestures that can indicate where you stand in the tribe, largely who sleeps next to whom in the shelter.

Maybe there's a social experiment in the fact that Camilla is looking as ridiculous as this and nobody is telling her this. If I were her and I got to look at myself in the mirror, I'd be like, oh, my God, nobody's checking in with me to let me know that I look absolutely asinine. And am I on the bottom? Like, do I not have somebody right now? Why did Kyle not check in with me about not even Kyle, not even Kyle? Tell me how look this it's a look.

She's she looks like a dessert and everyone is just fantasizing about it as they look at her in this hoodie. OK, she's refreshing. I mean, to your point about the raspberry, like I'm looking further. It looks like like a corduroy jacket with multiple colors and a hood on top of that. Like you have someone crafty stitch those two things together? This is a interesting garb to begin with.

Yeah, it's a little bit like a preschooler who dress themselves kind of energy to a certain extent, but like in a cute way. Now, wait a minute. I just had a thought. If one were to ever ratatouille themselves on Survivor, if one were to ever say, now I'm no smart individual that can win a complicated game of social strategy, nutritional deprivation,

but this mouse can, in theory, is this not the perfect thing to wear on Survivor? If I took an x-ray right now, there's a non-zero chance that there is some sort of rodentia hidden at the top of her scalp saying, yeah, say that Shaheen showed you the idol. Joe will be totally fooled by that. I mean, that's the only reason that I refuse to get rid of this

little tuft that I have on top of my head, because it can hide so many things like in like what you're going to do is try to dig in my hair and search for it. Get off me. OK. This is my storage spot. Leave me alone. I'm here. Yeah, we all the way. Some have pockets, some have purses. Amon has the space above his head. Yeah.

All right. Well, we're finishing off with the boys here with a couple of memorable outfits. This one is an oldie, but a goodie. Never forget one of the most instantly iconic T-shirts in survivor history. I'm going to Justin, Mr. Luigi's himself with just the simplistic yet complex pizza T-shirt. Liana, it's been nine weeks since we've seen Justin on our screens. Are we hungry for another slice of discussion about this shirt? I'm not going to. I am hungry and pizza sounds really good right now.

So I like all in. That's not really good. Right. It is a conversation we had, though, right, about like, would you want to wear on a show like Survivor a shirt that maybe reminds people that they cannot have pizza anytime soon. I know, because you look at Justin, you're just like, go away, Justin. I want to look

at you right now. You're making me think of pizza. I mean, but look, he's got merch out of it. I think that that's a great move as well. So from a financial perspective, I'm definitely going to buff this from a visual perspective. I hate this. So I will snuff it, but it is iconic. What do you think I'm on? I don't know the whole utilitarian it is. It's just what you see is what you get. Like if you are looking for pizza, look no further. It is right there. OK.

So, you know what? I'm a puppet. I'll buff it. I think he just needs to add, like, paint a question mark on it. If he made the merch, it just says like pizza. It's very inviting. Like, hey, you want pizza? Want to get pizza? Pizza should be a pizza.

That's exactly right. But yeah, this continues to be an absolutely incredible shirt. I really hope people follow in his sauce laden footsteps and just just type in simple font food or I don't know people's names on there. It's almost like the equivalent of remember that trend of T-shirts when it was like, you know, I guess if we're doing like new era winners, Erika and Marianne and Gabler and Jam Jam had a very ornate list of things at the front of it and nothing else.

Maybe this is a new trend of just take the it is your birthday of typography and apply it to any T-shirt. Yeah. I'm here for it. Just wore a black shirt with the color with the with white font. It says milk without the question mark. Yeah. David might have actually painted that on one of his tank tops. If he knew. Yeah. All right. Well, last but certainly not least. Now, this was, again, almost felt like a reading exercise. Not only this this entire day, but the this little word being printed on Justin's shirt. So let's talk about somebody dressing up like somebody that might teach you how to read. And this is something that, look, David standing up was a whack thing in and of itself. And it really took the lion's share of the attention away from the fact that at the same time,

said you're dressed like Steve. Yes. Yeah, this is so good. Totally saw it. Black Steve right there in the flesh, in the flesh. Okay. I'm here for it. Blue, where you add, where's a little note pad. I just I'm here for it. Blue, where you at?

Where's the little note pad? I just wanted notes to be taken. So what you add? I'm not here for it. See, I would be obsessive. Cedric was Steve from Blue's Clues for many reasons. One, because I don't know why they I give a butt doctor being like, all right, I'm going to ask you these questions.

Here's the clue to the polyps that you have in your anal cavity. But also, like, if Steve, if he was, in fact, just Steve, it was like, hey, how many oranges do you see in front of you? And he'll take that information and be like, all right, now you're gone. I'm weaponizing this against you right now. Whether you answer my question or you don't. It's the same outcome, baby. You're out of this house. I can't wait to know how many votes it takes for you to go home.

Why? Yeah. OK, I mean, obviously you got to buff this. Also, I believe this is when he was laughing at David standing. So extra extra buff for me for that. I also believe someone pointed this out that now with Shaheen going, every single person who voted for Cedric in this season has now been voted out. Yes. Cedric's revenge. I have to agree for it.

I wouldn't marry to stand up so bad during just to just keep the train going. I wish that would have been amazing. All right. Well, that will do it for this edition of Buff or Seven. This will do it for this edition of the BNB as well. But before we close out, we always give the time to our guests at the end to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them. So, I'm on the floor is yours.

I lost stars, disco floor socks. What would you like to highlight for the listeners out there? So I guess it's not necessarily a specific charity, but I do a lot of work with people that are in the middle of relocating themselves. And so I would urge everyone, um, your local furniture bank, if you have furniture that you know that eventually when you move or furniture that you have in your home, that you're like, someone else could really use this, don't it's your local furniture because a lot of people, home, that you're like, someone else could really use this.

Donate to your local furniture because a lot of people, they move and they're like, oh, my God, I don't have this. I don't have that. Like sometimes you just forget the everyday random items of furniture that you might need for your home. So I would say, please donate to your local furniture bank if you can. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Leon, was that something you were able to take advantage of during your big move? Oh, my gosh. No, but now I think I should. We both have something.

We have something I think we can donate and then some stuff I think we need to get. So that actually totally works out. Now, that's a great call. And I will also step in a bit here to highlight something else. As we discussed earlier, this episode took a very hard yet important look at the issue of domestic violence and how much it can permanently change the lives of so so many people due to the monstrous actions of certain individuals out there So if you or someone you know is involved in a situation with domestic violence

Just know as alone as you might feel in that moment help is always available I wanted to give special attention to the hotline.org, which provides multiple resources that you can utilize to talk with a licensed professional about your situation. You can call them, you can text them, you can chat with them on the website as well. There's directory of local providers that if you want to see somebody in person, you can do that to make sure that people find the help that they need when they are at their most vulnerable. So again, go to the hotline.org. Aman, this has been six years in the making and apologies that we keep bringing you back for what seems to be less regarded seasons by the Survivor fan base.

But maybe just speak to the fact that you are always a rising tide to lift all boats when it comes to talking about Survivor in general. So thank you so much for making a grand return to the podcast. Thank you for having me. I have a great time as always. Well, you are spreading that great time over to the Drag race root cap.

But you want to plug that as well as anything else you've got going on. Yes. Check out me and Beth as we are covering this season of Rupaul's drag race. All stars in season 10. I'm sure Liana, when she has some time, will hop in at some point during the off season. That's been a lot of fun. And check out the diary room with me and Matt Liguori, where we have been windling down all of these North American big brother players to find out who is the best. One bracket style six players enter three.

Believe both Mike and Leon, I have already made an appearance. I'm sure will not be the last as we are going to be on this journey for a long time. So I don't know. We made some controversial decisions last time. I was all that I don't know if I got shadow banned from the podcast. Yeah, some of our patrons are still reeling from. But make sure that you check that out. If you want to know what the hell we're talking about, check those episodes. Yeah, I'm curious what the windowing down.

Do you have a number as of yet as to like what you've gotten down to in your rankings? We are halfway through round one. So I think it's around 250 people that we've done thus far. So we've got about, yeah. We've got about what? Like a little bit less than a year, or like it's a little over a year at this point left to go.

No, no, no, a little less than a year, a little less than a year, I can't do math right now. A little less than a year until we are done with round one. left to go. No, no, no, a little less than a year, a little less than a year. I can't do math right now. A little less than a year until we are done with round one. There we go. Round one, my gosh. Liana, I know you turned some heads, much like the Met Gala with this week's pal.

What would you like to plug for people out there? Oh my gosh, yeah. Definitely check out the Puyo and Liana Lounge. So we're releasing both on YouTube and then as well as our audio podcast. It's in the old mass singer feed. So but you can just look up Puy and Liana lounge. We also recorded an episode like a very brief audio only episode on the Eurovision Song Contest in 2025,

which happened yesterday is the time we're recording this. So that should be out soon, if not already. So if you are any interested in Eurovision, you can hear Pooja and I talk that talk all about that in the audio only feed. Let's do a buffer snuff one day on Eurovision outfits, because I'm sure they would put these people to shame. Oh, yeah, 100 percent. Come on. Well, as I mentioned before, I got the chance to talk with Shaheen, which was awesome.

I think obviously a lot of our eyebrows were raised when he made the claim last week that he felt he could beat Joe in the end. I think in true fashion, given his occupation, I think he did a really interesting job of explaining to me and the audience by proxy why he felt he could make the argument that he did, you know, the relationships that he was making with the jurors that we were not privy to see again. So why he was totally fine going to the end with Joe and Eva, even if survivor fans were screaming at him across the board. Not to be sure to check that out.

Again, a fun little point of culmination from a long two year process that he has spent out there talking with this weirdo. And also this week marked the finale of the amazing race 37. Such a fun season and such a fun set of interviews got to talk with all final four teams. If you've been watching this season, you know there's one team in particular

that has some explaining to do. And I felt they did an interesting, a good job, I think, of explaining at least their head space in the moment, in the past, and especially in the present and future, as well as talking with the other lovely teams that got to show up and make this season of the Amazing Race as entertaining as it was. Also sat down with Jess as well to recap it all

and the season at large. And then the reality flash, but ton of reality TV news coming out this week. It was the 2025 Up upfronts this past week. So I gave you everything you need to know. But really the big ticket item in the world of CBS reality that we finally got our first taste of news of Big Brother 27. I will briefly derail this podcast for a second because Iman, I would be remiss if I had you

on the air not to ask you about your thoughts on the news announced for Big Brother 27, which for those of you that are not aware, were that we have a premiere date July 10th, that we are going to have one episode a week. Some even heard this before. A Wednesday episode of CBS Reality TV is going to be 90 minutes long.

This case, Big Brother's finally hopping on board, and that there's going to be a new bi-weekly alumni panel show, basically. US trying a bit on the side with a group of three Big Brother former players breaking down what happened as well as maybe doing behind the scenes stuff as well. What are your initial takes on this vague amount of information? I am interested. vague amount of information. I am I'm interested. I.

I mean, we all know that Big Brother was like sort of easy to produce, so it's not like it's very taxing on them to have to come up with another episode that takes more time. I'm wondering, is it going to be is 90 minutes because they're going to be two separate shows, right? Like the the alumni show is not going to be part of like the 90 minute package. Correct. Yeah, it's just a completely separate fourth episode that happens every other week. separate shows, right? Like the alumni show was not going to be part of like the 90 minute package, correct? Yeah, it's just a completely separate fourth episode that happens every other week.

Right. So I'm wondering why they just didn't make the live show 90 minutes, because that would give us more time to actually like, you know, get like real live, you know, insight from the players. That would have been cool to me. But, you know, I'm so happy to see whatever they do with the Vito episode. And as far as the alumni are concerned that are going to be coming back, do we know if it's going to be a rotating panel or if it's just going to be just the press release said, and I talked about this with Taryn as well. It just said three alumni. I feel like the fact that it didn't say rotating, it doesn't close the door to it.

But I feel like if it was rotating, it would have made mention of it. Right. So it. Right. So it's interesting. This seems to be like another one of those shows like the reality TV shows that is trying to capitalize on the podcasting market because they realize that there are so many podcasts out there that cover these shows already. I don't know if they're going to do anything that's particularly different than what podcasters do.

I don't know if they can do anything that's particularly different than what podcasters do. But it's always interesting to see alumni come back and talk about experiences that they've already been through. So I just hope that it's a nice mix. Whoever the three are, I hope it's a nice mix of people that are, you know, going to be personality forward, maybe game forward, maybe just intellectually for

whatever have you, I just want it to be a nice, interesting flow and not just random people that we're not going to care to hear from. So and we all know who these people are. Yeah. Any thoughts you have? I mean, whatever. Let's see what happens. Like I don't have a better way to answer a big brother. Sincerely, I'm like, whatever, let's see what happens. We're all going to be watching in any way, you know?

I feel like let's just try and see what happens. I'm curious to see what it's going to be like. I'm very curious to see what the 90 minutes looks like. But, you know, whatever. Well, next week, we've got 90 minutes plus another 90 minutes, you know, after we did the brief little experiment of a two episode finale in 47, 48 will be back to what we're used to, which is one three hour extravaganza where we'll get our fifth place finisher.

We would get our final four fire making. We'll get our final tribal council. We will get our winner and we'll get our live after show. I will also caution people right now. If you do not wish to be spoiled, there is apparently some revealing information that came out through a recent commercial that CBS aired and the stuff is out there. So I would say try to put on those earmuffs and blinders as best you can between now and

Wednesday if you do not wish to be spoiled. But regardless, we're going to be back next week and recapping whatever is going to go down, whether Joe is able to overcome this momentary stumbling block and dominate in the end the way we figure, whether Kyle's or Camilla are able to sort of swoop in underneath and take it, or whether Eva or Mitch might be able to come from behind edit wise and showcase their beautiful stories and earn a million dollars in the end. It should be a really interesting finish no matter what, as we also then look ahead

to what is coming next. So we have one podcast left, but of course, if you have any last minute game ideas you want us to put into our finale podcast, rjpbnb at gmail.com or hashtag rjpbnb on social media. And again, fit.ly slash bufferstuff48 for all these outfits that we so lovingly talked about over the course of this podcast. Special thanks to Scott St.

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