RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 48 B&B Finale with Omar Zaheer and Special Guest

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Omar Zaheer for the finale!

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My name is Mike Blum. Another season has come to a close, and we are here to bring it all together. A not so secret duo joined by a third member, our own final three, if you will, to give the final word on survivor forty eight. Of course, I'm going to be drinking my water at a right angle at all times. The on a board to present is my most masculine self. Of course, there's an empty Pepsi can. I will say it did help me after David brought that up. I was like, how do I drink liquids?

Like, I started all of a sudden being like, where do I hold my arm? I don't know, I got two into my own head, but no, look, it was a weird finale. The season is over. I'm happy I think that it's over. They could get into all of the minutia of exactly what happened, but you know,

it was a season of Survivor and we talked about it and we're gonna talk about the finale. Omar's here. So excited to have you back as per usual here on the BNB. How are you doing right now? Feeling as empty as that Pepsi can after a new season of Survivor has come to an end. Knock, knock. Who's there? I can't be like that. I can't do it.

I can't. I don't want can't do it. I can't. Well, I know. I don't want to be around things too much, but I have been thinking nonstop about this exchange, honestly, with no offense to the other final five. More than really anything out of this three hour extravaganza that we experienced on Wednesday, because clearly it's it's him trying to like give up the guys, right? I'm like, I've been stonewalling you the entire time, but it's been a stonewall

that's been made out of play dough. You know, I'm soft and cushy, but it's framed in a way. Yeah, I'm an actual joke that's knock, knock. Who's there? Not me. And then he moves on like he really break down the fundamental semantics of the joke. It makes no sense. First off, is it supposed to be a sort of like a double joke of like

you knock on the door and someone says, nobody's here. It's like, well, you of course, you're clearly here. Otherwise, you wouldn't say that nobody's here because there's there's no punchline. Knock, knock. Who's there? Not me. Is it the implication that if you're knocking at the door, you're bitter? You're a bitter juror. Is that what he's saying? OK, wait, no, we have to finish the joke, though, right?

Because it's OK. Knock, knock. Who's there? Not me. Not me. Who? Not me standing up when Mary got voted out. Yeah, like that's we just didn't finish it. I guess that's the end of the joke. Not me being a bitter jerk. Yes, yes, they was right there.

You're right. You know what? I never thought too deeply about it, but you're totally right. He also like really stole the show from a jury standpoint these last few weeks. He took the reins while Cedric fell back and went purple. That's how you stand up as a juror. And you know what? I'm embarrassed to admit it took longer than it should have for me to get your stand up comedy tweet,

which was so good. And by too long, I mean days. They went I went back to that and I was like, oh, oh. Yeah, I'm dumb as hell. No, listen, it was a better late than never when it comes to realizing the stupid punchlines that I put out there. I will say, though, MVP of this final travel council, as much as David's non joke joke, non knock knock joke joke, I should say, kept me up for endless hours at night.

The MVP of the final travel council, by and large, is Chrissy. Who put a nickel in her because she was on one and it made me so happy. You know, I think that clearly Kyle and Eva wanted these face crack of the centuries when they got to reveal their jobs, when they got to reveal all these moves that they made. Really, nobody was giving them anything except for Chrissy. And I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing.

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But Chrissy was like this. Like she was so purple throughout the season that we forget who she like really is at her core, because the few episodes that we started to see Chrissy pop off, Chrissy was like, just giving it to him straight. Like, yeah, you know, we're going to lie to each other and we're going to pretend like we're all best friends. And it's like, Chrissy, shut up. Don't say that.

So it just felt like a continuation of the Chrissy that we knew for, I don't know, like an episode or two. But I think because we never really got to know her and then we had the big gap where she had to be silent on the jury. We just like forgot that she was this really crazy, kooky character. Yeah, I'm right. Love the call and response sort of of Eva being like, hey, guess what I do for a living? Everyone's like and because it's like, oh, I know you don't actually play hockey.

Like Chrissy, again, I'm so appreciative of your commitment and your ability to follow people. Why on earth would she like about that? But also, like, that's the big reveal to. Yeah. That would have been a bigger reveal. You know what? Eva should have taken that moment. Pivot, pivot, pivot. Yeah. Like on friends, go for the lie that you were on the women's team

because, you know, that the PhD thing fell flat after that, you know. Honestly, it kind of did, though. I felt so bad for her because it's like it's again, we're going back to this like standup comedy routine. Well, it's like you practice your bit. You had a really great reception one night. And then the next night you go to another venue and it just bombs. Reveal just like your standup experience. No, but I mean, like I'm familiar with the concept of how stand up works.

OK. Oh, I don't know. To your point, because it seemed like she sort of tried it out in the room, right? Like she sat down with Joe and Kyle and is like, Oh, I've got this great routine where I'm actually a PhD student. They're like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then she's like, Oh, this is going to kill on the jury. And it was just I don't know. Was it cold? Maybe that was a Davis authority. Yeah. David Davis knockdown joke was just really left him cold.

That's the warm up at maybe Kylan. Probably not Joe, but maybe Kyle did build up Eva so that she would do the same thing like when Chris was like, you better tell the jury to go fuck themselves. When Chris did that to Twilight, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe she should have pivoted from the PhD to be like, you better tell the jury to go fuck themselves when Chris did that to Twilight, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe she should have pivoted from the PhD to be like, no, I am on the men's hockey team, but I do stand up comedy on the side like that. That would be impressive.

And David, your joke structure is terrible. Yeah. And you know what? Colton's not even on the jury, so he won't judge it. You know, like you have to have the right audience. Yeah, exactly. Well, let's get into what this finale provided. And honestly, I'm not even saying I'm like trying to wrap my head around it. You know, I think I was certainly part of the throng that was trying to come to

the reasonable conclusion and set of circumstances that would culminate in Kyle winning specifically over Joe. So it's not to say that I was like completely shocked and bum puzzled like it, like maybe some certain fans were. But I'm still kind of trying to figure out my viewing experience with this season, which I have to say is probably the biggest roller coaster I've experienced from a new era POV. Well, because when I'm following it sort of as a from a fan view alongside this

community, the first half, you know, people were riding the high of it saying, Oh, my God, is it this is the best pre merge of the new era? Maybe we're in the best pre merges in recent memory. We love this cast. This Joe and Eva moment is one of the best moments of all time. Absolutely incredible. Can't wait to see what happens next. The post-merge starts happening and then it becomes, is this the worst season in the new era? This is the worst season of all time. But then at the same time, there was this like kind of confounding yet intriguingly complex juggling of all these

winter picks of like I've seen at some point all four of, you know, out of the final five essentially get thrown out as, oh, this person is definitely winning because of XYZ, which we typically don't get out in a survivor season. And then towards the end, I was seeing conversations along the line of like, OK, when Joe wins, do we think he's a better winner than D? Do you think he's the best player in the new era? And lo and behold, that Joe does not win. He gets a vote. Thank you, Cedric, for once again, bringing that Joe does not win. He gets a vote.

Thank you, Cedric, for once again, bringing that last dose of chaos. We love it. I don't see it. So it's just been such an intriguing season to follow alongside everybody else in real time, because it never necessarily felt like something that we could really pin down in terms of quality as well as outcome. That's a good point. And I think that I previously I felt like my metrics for

some people's metrics of what a good season is, is partly related to the winner. And I agree, but in a different way than most people. Like, for instance, I think that Gabler winning Survivor forty three Diggler. Sorry, my bad. Yes, thank you. I think that Diggler winning Survivor 43, Diggler, sorry, my bad. Yes, thank you. I think that Diggler winning Survivor 43 actually made the season better because it was so unexpected. There was so much to talk about and it was, I never thought that going into the finale that that was possible. And I like an unexpected winner or something that happens. I don't like a steamroll. I think it's

boring. And I also don't like a season where it's very obvious one person will win. And so I thought when we come to an end game where I agree, Mike, there were several viable winner candidates from an edit and game perspective. But it kind of fell flat for me still. And I wonder if the reason for that is because of the game structure to some extent, because there was this, the you know, the with a fire final for fire making, it really did not make that much sense for any of these people to turn on each other. When they can all just go to the fire, they all have a decent chance to win or so they think. And it's like, let's just battle it out and not betray anyone and stick to the point, stick to the plan. So I think that that like lost a lot of the intrigue, even for somebody like Mitch,

who's not making a move. He could just get through one more tribal council and maybe win fire and go to the end like he doesn't actually have to position himself towards the top. And so there's not this competitive, like fighting for the last little s'moresle of food amongst these street dogs. You know, they they they have plenty of food. So. Mm hmm. But I mean, they also cast people that wanted to do that anyway. You know what I mean? Like I went back and I read through some of the

with the notes I had taken from Mike's preseason interviews. And there's a number of people who say like, I want to build like Joe, I want to build a loyal group and go to the end. Like Eva talks about wanting to do that. So it's like, oh, okay. Well, then that makes sense. Also, like outside of just the game structure, not only does the game structure incentivize that, but also that was their plan all along anyway, or at least a subset of them, right? So it's not unexpected. Actually, that's a really good point, because I think also when we look at any sort of human learning

and behavior and interactions, we always take in information, we take in feedback, and then we redirect, unless you're a sociopath. So you have the ability to kind of course correct even when you're learning how to play a video game, learning your job, whatever it may be. And people watching Survivor, it's kind of the same thing. You're learning through a model of how to win. And people are always going to take what they learn from the most recent seasons as the lessons to move forward. So you have, and that's why I think sometimes

the gameplay is a bit cyclical, even if it advances. Like you go through your period of Ghost Island, people watch that and they're like, I am not gonna end up in that spot that Donathan and Laurel weren't. Now, then you have Edge of Extinction, which is like completely crazy. Nobody can like make a move,

like everybody's turning on each other, nobody's loyal to any group. And then you take that and you're like, okay, well, in a group of chaos, the thing that will work the best is some sort of structure that sticks together. And that's even gearing up for, you know, a potential 50 situation, like you have to watch with a different lens and going into 42, like there was no pandemic season. So there was nothing to kind of learn from in that period of time. But here you have to think like, is it best to kind of stick with like a group when it's so chaotic? Like you have in season 47, everybody's an individual mercenary kind of going at each other, there's nothing that's consistent and there's no stability.

So in that, I think that when you have a serious cycle of really chaos, then it'll have something like this. And then this will kick off for people watching who are gonna go film 50, 51, 52, and that will affect how they play the game. And I think it'll go back and forth. I could not agree more. I mean, look at something like 47, which had a lot of elements of again,

to your point, ever shifting power and part of that might come from the cast and their games and ship, but a part of it might come from the fact of the last full season they saw was 45 for one dominant tribe alliance. Steam rolled their way basically through the entire game. And it's like, OK, we're on the lookout for any rebuffers that might be happening. Hey, what was it like the the Tico's or whatever they were? The the blue tribe like, hey, we're going to take you three out because you three are too close.

We don't want to see that happen. Forty eight. I mean, Kyle literally said it when he played his idol. You know, one of the only idols played this season was like, I don't want it to be survivor. Forty six survivor. Forty six. There was so much talk in the past few days, right? About what Camilla was doing for Kyle, vouching for him on the jury, really setting him up for success and being like, ah, Maria could never. And yeah, I think a lot of especially these people kind of locking in with each

other may have stemmed from the fact that so much of forty six Meadow was about people just turning on each other in an instant for, let's face it, really no good reason. So I totally agree with you, Omar. I really think that when people go out to film a season, it is almost always a reflection of what they just saw. What will further compound the intrigue behind 50? To your point is that now you also have people who have played their own seasons

beforehand, they are not necessarily facing this tabula rasa. I've never played Survivor before, so all I can go off on is what I just saw. Now it's like, OK, I know how to play Survivor from a reasonable perspective, it got me so far. And also I see what some of these other people have been doing recently. How do I incorporate that into whatever I'm going out there? Yeah, the season they played is I think one too. And I think that

seasons like Survivor 48 are like a little palate cleanser that you do kind of need in the grander scheme of things. If every season is going to be a bunch of people that have very fluid dynamics, voting blocks that never stick together. I actually think that 47 was the perfect balance of that where people had some relationships that they were tied to, but there was also fluid gameplay. Whereas what's another season that was not like that? That was more like edge of extinction.

Well, nobody really stuck together on that one. But I don't know, I feel like when there's too many people that don't have any solid relationships, it's hard to follow the storyline. But when there are some smaller groups that stick together, I find that to be the most interesting. But also if we don't get stuff like this, then we don't see a further evolution. So I think at some point, we do need to also be thankful for what we have. And that's a reflection.

Like I think that people did not like Gabon because it was preceded by fans versus favorites. If that had been preceded by a season that sucked, people would have loved Gabon a lot more and I loved Gabon a lot. But I think that that's true as well. I mean, that is one of the biggest indicators of performance is actually who goes before you. Like you always do those direct comparisons. And I think for 48, I think also what it does is,

is to me, it also reaffirms how critical it is with the starting input material for a season of Survivor. I love how clinical, I mean, I'm talking with, you know, two out and out science brains here. So I absolutely love how we're getting down to the ones and zeros. Well, but like, that's the thing. I mean, you're running these, like, think about it.

You're like running these simulations over and over and over again. And obviously you're changing the black box of like what the simulation is, but you're also putting in different inputs every single time. And so you get to see the consequences of, oh, you can still in the new era of Survivor, if you cast old school feeling people, you

can get kind of an old school season, right? Like that the actual structure of Survivor does obviously incentivize or de-incentivize certain types of behavior, but it really does depend on those 18, 20, 24 people you might cast. You know what I mean? Yeah. And people, people who are gagging for old school survivor. Did you like it? I mean, what I would say is that I think when we sort of typify old school survivor, I think very understandably, people are more so referring to like

structural elements like give me two tribes, give me thirty nine days, give me cultural visits, you know, that type of stuff rather than like, yeah, you know, we really need moralizing, grandstanding, dominating alliances to, you know, essentially put a stranglehold on the strategy towards the end of the season. Now, all that being said, I will say the final tribal council honestly might have been one of my highlights of the post merge.

And granted, I think for some people that might be a low bar, but I think I was really, really invested in it. Now, maybe it's because, again, there was still part of me that's like, yeah, I think there's a lot of narrative rolling in Joe's direction. You know, he still basically got his way through these last couple of votes, got Camilla off the board. votes, got Camilla off the board. And I was quite surprised to not only see that like joke at it gets a much quieter role in the final tribal council, according to what we saw. But it ends up leading to again, someone who we were told multiple times if he makes it to the end, he wins that not necessarily being a true statement. I mean, I'm sure there will be more stuff that comes out

through various press from all these jury members, especially. But Liana, give me your temperature right now. Why do you think it would with no offense to Eva, who I think did a really, really great job? I think one of the better non winning, you know, final tribal council performances we've seen in the new era. But considering the Joe momentum going into this finale, do we think he always came in with a losing hand or was this something that was truly fumbled on the one yard line? Well, that's what I'm saying. I have no idea. Right. And that's like part of the reason why I do have a there's a certain sense

of frustration that like I am I'm OK with things being up in the air and being like, oh, I don't know who's going to win. Is it going to be Joe? Could it be Kyle? But I also want to understand why an outcome happened. And so, you know, I do see a lot of people advocating for, oh, well, Kyle had like a really ball or final tribal council and Joe, I don't know, said three words. So like, OK, then maybe that's what it was. Right. I mean, that's I think what the show is trying to tell me that Joe fumbled final tribal council and that Kyle really nailed it and also had the help of Camilla, like a proud soccer mom, trying to like help him out there. I was thinking of any polar and mean girls dancing to Jiggle Bell Rock in the aisle.

You girls gave me bang, Kyle, a condom. Yeah, like that's kind of what I was feeling from Camilla. So I think that that's the story that I'm being told. So I'm gonna guess that that's what happened. But I think I still have, but that's the thing, I still have a lot of question marks, right? Because then we also saw him fumbling Mary with, or like Mary's jury vote where, you know,

Mary's gonna go home and she's like, yeah, he's just pandering for my jury vote, I hate this. So clearly Joe, to only get one vote from Cedric, there must have been fumbles along the way. Like there's no way he walked into tribal council and then just lost, like every single vote to Kyle. I don't know. Those are obviously the only two options that could happen. So we've seen moments where he fumbled it before,

but maybe we didn't see the true story. And now I'm like, well, what if he's on 50? Because I've seen that argument. That's why Joe got such a good at it. I don't know. Also, I mean, we've seen Cedric has proven he'll just vote for anybody. So, oh, my God, I love. Yeah. But I think, you know, these tribal councils, the final tribal councils,

I guess I only have one to go off of. Yeah. But I mean, you are in a very house. So many votes were allegedly up in the air and got changed over the course of that evening. Yes. But I think that that is more the exception than the norm, I would say. I feel like a lot of times people go in with what they want and even like, you know, three or three or four votes on ours was locked before going into final travel. But it's interesting because those final travels are so long, at least the ones I heard about, like ours was three hours long, they all talked us so much. And so I can't imagine a world in which Joe is not speaking a lot more than they're showing. But perhaps

it's a situation where maybe he didn't as obviously fumble it as someone like Mike did, where Mike was very much pushing a narrative that did not feel true to what happened. And whereas Joe, he kind of preached that along the way, but maybe that wasn't really a huge part of his final travel, or they didn't want to make him look bad. Or it was presented more from the perspective that Kyle wanted as opposed to Joe losing it. But I think we got bread crumbed along the way about Joe's honor and integrity, not falling the right way. Like, right. If you are loyal to David, then you don't vote him out there. You know, I mean, and I get that.

But what's interesting is that we had this sort of like, you know, new jury speak segment that we've been doing since 45, 46. And you have David outright say, if Joe wants my vote, he has to show that he purposely incorporated lying as part of his game. And we got none of that, both from David's speech, which ended up just turning into, again, a glorified knock knock joke. Hey, good game, guys. Who was the best at challenges? Yeah, Joe, seemingly not needing to explain to your point, like the possible foibles and hypocrites, hypocritical statements that can come with this idea of like,

I want to play an honest, loyal game in a game where you have to deceive and vote people out like it felt like such an odd missing part. And I talked with Joe about this and Joe, I don't know. He didn't as much as I love him. He didn't provide a lot of concrete information as to like if that piece of information came up and how and why. So, yeah, as you mentioned, it didn't seem like there was even necessarily a moment where it's like, aha, Joe, we got you in your trap.

You did the one thing you weren't supposed to do and we're not going to vote for you. Eva told me that her and Joe were expecting the votes to be tied between Kyle and Eva and that Joe would break the ties. So I'm still not entirely sure what the expectation of what we're going to be coming from the final three. Yeah. Yeah, that's why. What I don't understand. There's so much I don't understand.

So you need someone. I mean, the argument for it is that, you know, Eva, Eva was presented in a particular way that was maybe sometimes, you know, in terms of gameplay, frustrating to watch because it was so locked in and to the point of being like, Mary, you know, no matter what you know, in terms of gameplay, frustrating to watch because it was so locked in and to the point of being like Mary, you know, no matter what you do, there's nothing you can do about it, etc, etc. But like if you look at the gameplay of the majority alliance, some could argue that Eva played the best in that group because Eva's position was this is the group that I want to go to the end with. Yep.

Every all of them were the most loyal to her to some extent. Like nobody even thought about voting her out at any point in time. And she was getting everything she wanted. And I mean, that is an argument to win. And was she doing the honor integrity stuff like Joe was? I'm not sure, but I could see an argument for it for sure. Yeah. Yeah, and maybe I'm more like like I just tell it like it is kind of energy that came from her.

I mean, that's what Mary had said. And I would imagine as a large contributor as to why she ended up voting for is that they actually had a very tight relationship. And especially compared to what you mentioned before about Joe clearly sitting Mary down with ulterior motives. Mary actually did respect Eva really just telling her straight to her face like, yeah, I'm going to try my best, but it's not looking good because it's like, all right, at least I know where I can position myself now. You know, don't try to sell me a bill of goods like the Monica Culpepper, where they're all like, flip to us.

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe talk to me the right way and then don't like that's annoying. So I get that. Well, and I think also Star had said in some interviews somewhere that she was like, yeah, my jury vote went to the person who I thought was the most loyal and that person ends up being Eva, right? So I think that, and that's the other thing too

with Eva's sneaking out in the night advantage. She immediately came to the Alliance and was like, yep, here's every single thing that happened. Which I think is another way that you can demonstrate with your actions that you're loyal. So like maybe that was also part of the conundrum is that Eva had more opportunities to show with her actions that she was like living up to the loyal thing.

Whereas like Joe didn't really have that. It's kind of like Top Chef or something. Like they are master chef. Like they all are like, let me present a meal to you. And Eva went for something that was like a simple classic, like scrambled eggs. But she like really nailed it. And Joe was going for like a filet mignon, but burned it, you know, like that. Yeah. Well, I think Eva was also able to again.

And it also makes sense given the fact that she clearly has experience in presenting some sort of thesis or dissertation. She was able to couch a lot of her game in this idea of attentionality, where I think she certainly came in and she talked about how she purposely was kind of staring into the curve going to the post merge of like, I'm just Joe's plus one. Here I am the jock girl me no do math. So like really, again, have herself be underestimated in the eyes of people. But the fact is that she was able to get through and was able to vocalize, like,

I have some social weaknesses due to my autism that I was able to incorporate to my advantage, where, as you mentioned, Liana, like, yeah, I was upfront and honest to people. And it gained me a certain respect as opposed to people lying to their face. That works with this particular group, whether it is the fact that she had all these advantages, both hidden and otherwise, that she ended up not needing to play. Well, on the one hand, you can make the Xander argument of like, well, that's because no one really cared to get rid of you as a threat. You could also say, like, I still have this and it arguably put the biggest,

you know, had the most glaring neon sign pointing at me. But hey, you still didn't get rid of me. And that's your folly. And that's what I love about the final tribal council is that one point, one singular moment or credit or demerit to your resume can be argued honestly in either direction, depending on who you are, depending on the people that you're sitting next to, and especially depending on the people that are sitting across from you.

And I think that, again, Eva brought, it was just so, again, so interesting that I think we expected Joe to be the one to get the lion's share of the focus just due to the position that he occupied from an editorial perspective. But it really seemed like Eva rested a lot of that focus back and was able to, I think, you know, talk up her game in a way that albeit did not earn her the vast majority of jury votes in the end. I also wonder as well, and maybe we'll find this out, too, how much this Shaheen boot slash Camilla and Kyle are secretly working together was as much of a mic drop moment. You know, again, Omar, you got to witness an out and out,

you know, atomic bomb get dropped in the form of Marianne revealing that she had an idol that nobody even knew about, that she didn't need to play. I don't know if we're if we got one here, if they were trying to sort of manufacture that explosive moment or if it truly was like truly blowing people's minds, the fact that not only were these two working surreptitiously, but they were indeed able to like one up the power couple of the season. Yeah, we kind of saw that a little bit with Dee as well, where she dropped, I played you Austin thing. But I think my experience watching that happen in person was interesting because that tribal

council again was so long and they kept trying to end it and we kept being like we're not ready because Mike was giving bad answers, Romeo was giving okay to good answers, Marianne was giving okay answers, but it was like there was nothing we were waiting for like somebody to like be like yes this is what we need to do. Because I just remember sitting there, looking at a few people and being like, I don't know who to vote for. I can't. I don't know. I just don't. Mike is not giving me what I need to vote for him. I feel like Marianne's giving the energy but it's not over the line. Like I don't know. We're missing because there was so much

contention about who voted me out, you know, like we were waiting for someone to take proper credit for that and be like, I did this, this is how I did it. But Mike was trying to take credit for it. Mary Anne was trying to take credit for it. And Jonathan was sitting there being like, it wasn't, it wasn't, it was me, you know, so then it was like, it was kind of unclear. It was very unclear who it was. So they, none of them had this differentiating factor that we saw on the TV narrative that it was her move of me that was like big. So what we were waiting for and it was like it was almost like she wasn't going

to say anything more. And then all of a sudden it was like, oh, by the way, but XYZ here's an idol. That's why I knew it was fine. Putting you out and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we were like, well, you're just not going to say that. Like it felt like we were running the clock out. And then after that, it was like, okay, I'm good. I know it feels right. I'm actually excited to vote for the winner now. It makes sense. And I didn't see that on this final tribal council

because it probably was already kind of, they already had the information they needed. Maybe I think Eva could have actually won the season if, because it sounds like Camilla vouched for Kyle's story at Ponderosa, so they kind of already maybe knew that, so it wasn't a shocking moment, but I think Eva wins the game seeing how close she was, if they let her keep the idol around as the like, not in threat or whatever they want to call it,

and then at the last second when it's Mitch's funeral, playing it for Mitch, you know, not in threat or whatever they want to call it. And then at the last second, when it's Mitch Mitch's funeral, playing it for Mitch, you know, like that. Yeah, that makes you vote for who I told you to vote for. Yes, exactly. Like that. That was the way to show you should not have left this in my hands for so long. Here's my move that nobody else knew about. And then who she put there, Kyle, Kyle. I think, yeah, Kyle, get him out. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And who she put there, Kyle. Kyle. I think, yeah, Kyle. Get him out. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, that would have been so good, though. Yeah. Missed opportunities. Yeah. New era. Well, I mean, if we talk about like big moments at the final tribal council, I mean, there was the obviously we knew the reveal of the Shaheen vote was coming. And I felt like I was waiting and I was waiting. Oh, so was Camilla.

I was waiting. That's a thing with the soccer mom. And Camilla's like, OK, Kyle, like, come on, it's time. Time for you to share. This is a perfect moment. You should do it. So even that like big, you know, a quote unquote, like what could have been an explosive reveals didn't feel that way because it felt just like dragged out.

And then Camilla like finally tried to pull it out of Kyle. Yeah. And I guess I wonder, too. It seems like the jury format is a little bit different than it was when I played. Like when we were there, it was like social, strategic, physical. Yeah, right. And the columns have been smashed. I want to say it was probably around like 45 or 46. And now they're basically it's now this sort of weird hybrid where everyone kind of gets a chance to speak. like 45 or 46 and now they're basically it's now this sort of weird hybrid where

everyone kind of gets a chance to speak, but sometimes you're getting addressed individually to ask a question. Sometimes somebody is just sort of like chiming in. I'm sure everyone got the chance to like say something in the real time. To your point, Omar, it's essentially like the length of a Marvel movie at this point. But yeah, I think that now we have sort of done away with any sort of structure, which then, you know, again, begs the question is like, why did you have to get rid of it in the first place? But I, I think that now we have sort of done away with any sort of structure, which then, you know, again, begs the question is like, why did you have to get rid of it in the first place? But I actually I am happy we have that type of format for moments like this,

where it's like, OK, or even like the the deep idle reveal to where it's like, OK, even if it's not your quote unquote turn to talk, this person can talk. Per you know, Robert's rules of order. There isn't necessarily any sort of decorum of like, I am the only juror speaking and I am the only one allowed to speak and everyone else on the jury may only refer to it if they are going after me. Yeah, I think that this format or like, I think honestly, I thought our format was the best to actually flesh out who the best winner was because you were talking about each element of the game,

and it was kind of a free for all. Whereas this is like, it's kind of like the individual jury questions, but it's a little bit less structured. So it doesn't have like the iconic moments that those individual jury things did, but it's too structured to be, to get to the bottom of everything.

But I don't know. I don't know how, I think it's like missing something, like a flare at this point. I mean, plus you have to set aside time for everyone to do their individual jokes and stand up. Imagine if David stood up and walked over to them and said, knock, knock, who's there? Not me. And then like sad bag. I mean, he would have loved it.

Maybe that's a again. He really just seemed like a person out of old school survivor in that, like he felt he would have, for lack of a better term, milk the shit out of the chance to like stand up and nobody could interrupt him. And he could just, you know, talk until the cows came home and then gave some milk about whatever he wanted to talk about. Do you think he has one of those lactational T-shirts? What? Like, you don't know about that.

Is that to imply that he's giving he does have four nipples? T-shirts. What? Like, you don't know about that. Is that to imply that he's giving he doesn't have four nipples? Well, there is apparently there's shirts that can like put pressure on a particular way to like, you know, to help moms and stuff. I was like, maybe David does, you know, he loves milk so much. Hmm. Yeah. That seems right up my alley. He's so confused because there's so many.

Aren't there so many references to like when Jeff does like the showcase of the rewards of like, want to know what you're playing for, that these items have been out in the hot Fijian sun for so long. And they're like, they're not of the best quality. How grody do you think that glass of milk was? Do you think they really went straight from the fridge with that? They're yeah. Glass of whole milk.

They're like, here you go, David. Drink it. Maybe that was the ultimate. They probably had a cooler. I mean, I there could also be a way of like if they were feeling a certain way about this man, they like that thing sit out for the entire three hours. Here it was like, here you go, David. If you want milk so much, take a big gulp of that. And it's two percent, bitch.

Yes. You said way better than homogeneous milk. I don't understand the. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't get it either. But what kind of milk do you like? I'm a skim girl. Oh, God. I know.

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Five judgments. You get five judgments. What a mistake. Got a lot of power. We're going into it. I need to know. All right. Well, let us start with Mitch. Our fifth place finisher here. He of the aforementioned Mitch's funeral. Leona Mitch obviously comes in with a massive story.

How did you think his story on the island would end? Yes. So I had Mitch making the jury. I said that Mitch's personal story helps him to create bonds with the majority of his tribe, especially Charity, and his schoolyard game skills help Siva crush in the challenges. Come merge, however, Siva, with all six players, is looking like a juicy target for the remaining Lagui and Vulas. After many discussions, Char charity agrees to give up Mitch

to appease her case, C squared K squared, which is the alliance of Charity, Chrissy, Kyle, and Camilla. He hates that. You're alone. To minimize their threat level, we get several amazing personal Mitch segments throughout the pre-jury causing many people to just ask him. Oh, personal Mitch segments throughout the pre jury, causing many personal segments. And we love a PMS causing many people to suspect him as a winner candidate

before he's brutally eliminated as the first juror. His ally was charity. His enemy was charity. So, OK, yeah, let's hear Mike's, I guess. Well, I had Mitch not climbing as high on the proverbial rope here. I had Mitch going out pre jury, actually, but in a little bit of a similar shocking way to Liana. I wrote after breaking the ice on his stutter on day one,

and Mitch is happy to speak freely on SEVA. He makes an instant connection with charity and also. This can't be real. Like this happens far too often. To be fair, he did say that the person he was vibing with in the preseason was charity. And there was a promo where Jeff talked about pairs are going to dominate the season. And Mitch and Charity was one of the pairs that was shown. So much for that one. But that let's see.

He also tried to get in good with the buff men sharing the same color buff in Kyle and David. Well, David will be regarded much more as a challenge beast of his tribe. The fandom will give plenty of attention to Mitch, whose experience handling gym equipment for countless hours has made these end of challenge hand eye coordination tasks just like going to work. What the how does this?

This happens all the time with you, too. And in and you expect me to believe it's just random chance. I mean, my preseason like prep is listening to Mike's interviews that Mike was there for. So people have like the same person who was there for one. He was going to be good at carnival games, but nevertheless, continue somehow. The survivor gods grant clemency to the ill fated Bula tribe and Siva goes to tribal council.

Mitch guns for Camilla, feeling the least connected to her and expressing that she is the weakest in challenges. But Camilla in turn begins to throw Mitch under the school bus, I guess, saying he has both a huge threat and individual challenges, as well as someone whose story could easily mop up jury votes. And so in one of the most savage moves of the season, just when Mitch thought he could keep going on his climb to the million dollars, his rope gets cut, sending him tumbling to the mat of Ponderosa.

His ally was charity and his enemy was Camilla. What was your placement? Was that watch the summit? This is Jim you like placement was that? Watch the summit. This is Jim Jim Classy. Climb the rope. I don't know if you still do it anymore, but that's the only thing I really stereotypical about Jim Class. Mitch would have done great on the summit. What is the what was the final placement that you had for him?

For you, pretty jury. Oh, pre jury. Gotcha. OK, so the problem with Leon is here. Why on a why on a borax. She, you know, her the first half of her prediction was great. And then it was like the second half was like, where did that go? And some could say apropos. But for Michael, Dimitri Bloom, some things were also right, but everything you had right that that Camilla did kind of end him.

Point goes to Michael Bloom. Ever go. You were separated by like two votes, Liana, and he got the you said charity took him out. He said Camilla did. You both had the carnival games, which I think is the most important thing for me. And I think that's the most important thing for me. You were separated by like two votes, Leona, and he got the you said charity took him out. He said Camilla did. You both had the carnival games, which I think is.

Post editing and the charity Mitch thing. Sure, you know, you both had the you both had it. Oh, my God. Nevertheless. All right. OK. I do want to bring up something from my my Mitch exit press, which I highly recommend everybody check out, because I think Mitch is able to vocalize a lot of understandable frustrations that maybe some fans had towards the way he was personified to us of like,

he's saying he's going to make a big move. And then he literally was sitting there at the beginning of the finale, being like, I should have made a big move. So from Mitch's perspective, this is corroborated a bit by Camilla. But he explained to me specifically why he did not flip at eight at that vote where they said we can tie the votes, which was that apparently Mitch did have every, you know, thing in his willpower to want to make that move. In fact, he had gone to star with a plan of a final five of the four

outsiders plus Kyle that then at four, he said, like, I if I win immunity, I will throw myself in fire star to send you to the final three where we could sit at the end together. Allegedly, Star then told the entirety of that plan to Joe and Eva to the point that when Mitch went to sit with Joe and even Kyle, they had said, Oh, yeah, by the way, Star said all of this and that sort of cemented in Mitch's head that this was not necessarily somebody that he could work with,

considering that he made a final three deal with her and she proceeded to out it. Camilla had said that her and Kyle did a sort of like Tyrion Lannister in season two of Game of Thrones thing where like they would purposely feed star pieces of misinformation and see if it got back to Joe and Eva, which almost always did. Listen, TMT, I mentioned interviews are in canon. Everyone's the hero of their own story. But I did find it a really interesting perspective from both Mitch and Camilla

as to why maybe some moves were not made to flip the game on its head towards that like eight to six to five range. Well, there had to be a reason that we did not see, to be fair. Star on Twitter has some that you know what? Oh, yeah. You say stars are not a response. Are you sure? Yeah. Bring Mitch and Star and tell them it's their B&B, but they don't know what's the others going to be there and then really get to the bottom of it.

So tell me what happened. Well, I mean, that's the thing, right? So we saw Mitch on the show say, I don't trust Star. Would have been great to see why. Why exactly? Like, yeah. Didn't we need 17 confessionals from the same people about the same thing and said that, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is more so you say like, this is what you want with the with old school

survivor. Maybe this is more so is like, this is what you want. You like about Australian survivor, right? The same four people say the same four things every 90 minute episode. Yeah, I should have made a move. I should have made a move on the Joker. All right. Well, let's move into the move on the Joker. All right. But let's move into the agent of chaos herself in Camilla, our fourth place finisher here.

Get another one, I believe, since Final Four firemaking has been introduced. It's her. It's Liz. I want to say it's Kara Kay, who are the only people to have never gotten a vote against them and never made the final tribal council. I think they joined like Pascal and Surrey in that regards a rare fight air for Camilla and I had her hitting some pretty high altitudes in this season as well. I had Camilla making the finale. I said that Camilla's preseason prayers are answered when she's put on a tribe

with the gig of Chad, David, and the two will form one of the game's most unlikely duos, bonding over their love of gaming and PC customization. When David gets his tree trunk legs cut out from under him, she'll find herself growing closer to Kyle as the two of them and Chrissy are seen as sitting ducks. The two caves try to strike out the competition as Camilla is finally able to institute her plan of subliminally forcing a fluid season. We'll get a segment of the software engineer comparing an idle hunt to searching through software coding for bugs, and her real life metaphor pays off in space

when she's able to find one. Using her idle and Kyle's vote steal, the SEVA 3 create what Camilla calls an advantage algorithm. They use their inventory at just the right time, landing a critical hit on one of the big bosses of the season. From there, they surprisingly flip the game in their favor, becoming three of the final four. When Chrissy wins final immunity, Camilla thinks she has the game locked up, but she doesn't count on a surprise counter from the speech and debate coach as she shockingly sends Camilla and Kyle into fire making.

Forced to go up against her tightest ally. Camilla's illegal attempts at arson do not have real world applicability as she goes down in lack of flames. Her ally was David, then Kyle, and her enemies were Chrissy and fire making. That's crazy, Mike. Like I hate early. Who are you fucking? I think you. Oh, my God.

Not me thinking I had this. I had Camilla make the finale. Camilla and her crew shot up Camilla and her crew sail through the pre-emerge in the first part of the finale. Camilla and her crew shot up Camilla and her crew sail through the pre-emerge in the first part of the jury until Chrissy had to go and mess it up by wanting to target Camilla first out of their alliance. However, Camilla saves herself by painting the target on her ally, Kyle, bigging up his wind potential.

Thankfully for her, a loggy takes the bait and agrees to go for Kyle. While this move saves her in the moment, come final four, Camilla is the biggest target to win and the group consensus to go to fire. Camilla loses to Eva much like Jesse in the 43 goes out as my sweet, sweet fallen angel. And then I just wrote crying emoji. You guys are part of the Illuminati. I'm sorry. I had to find out this way, Omar. We've kept this long undercover. Her allies were C squared, K squared, obviously. And her enemy was fire.

You literally you're keeping the metric system down, the electric car. And all of that. We do. We do. You do. This one point, Liana. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now you know, I think I think you're able to clock a little bit more as to. I mean, the Kyle thing being taken out was a big was a big marker against it. But I think specifically her going up against Eva had to be the slam dunk here. Now that we've gone to the final tribal councils, three of them.

Should we unveil one more surprise? Yeah, sure. Let's listen to final tribal accounts. We mentioned a tribal council surprise. Let's bring on a previous guest on the BNB this season, but making her glorious return, someone who we're still trying to bask in the glow of replicating her own 11th hour bomb drop. It is the winner of Survivor 42.

Welcome back to the BNB, Maryann O'Ketch. Oh, he's so good to be here. Thank you for such a wonderful hype. It's nice to know I'm still loved and known and appreciated. The listeners went through this whole podcast just waiting for you to show up and they thought it wasn't going to happen. But just like that idol, you're popping up at the 11th hour. I know about dramatic entrances.

You didn't need to worry about me. Mm hmm. Well, we have three more to judge. But now there's two judges. You have to win. I was going to say, Marianne, you can certainly help. Oh, I do not know if he would reciprocate that, though. I think he very much grabbed the power that was given to him with the force of a hand that does have five fingers on it, much like the number of boots in this episode.

It's in the hands of this fan. The hands of these fans. All right. Well, you know, let's talk about, I guess, the middle finger of this five some here, who the jury presumably gave the middle finger to by only giving him one jury vote, and that was Papa Joe. How do you think it was going to do? Look, I've been huffing that Jopi all season. A good old cup of Jopi.

I had Joe as my winner pick. Yeah, we do. Classic Leona. I saw a meat man season. Meat man. Pick meat man. Like that was more of a milkman than a meat man. Leona and Jeff Kropes have always had the same mind. We have the same opinions. Yeah. I've never seen the two of you in the same room at the same time.

I did that one time. I mean, survivor man, survivor woman. I don't want to know what goes on with Puyo there. OK. OK. OK. So I had Joe obviously make the finale. He's my winner pick. I had Joe bonds quickly with Shaheen and Eva, who both come across as straight shooters and they form the Storm Chasers Alliance. Joe's charisma is his secret weapon because despite being one of the meat men on the cast, he only wins one immunity. While Joe may not have played the most strategic game, his charisma is what gets Joe the win with five votes from the

jury. Jeff is obviously obsessed with Joe the win with five votes from the jury. Jeff is obviously obsessed with Joe, which is why he's so high on the season. And we all get a little bit uncomfortable about Jeff's growing obsession. I was going on Jeff before he talked about Joe. Joe's ally was the storm chasers. His enemy was no one. They're like you guys are either Illuminati, which is your inside production. I don't know.

This just happens too much now. You have three of the final four. Come on. Well, well, let me let me bring things down a little bit. Not terrible. This is not a Mitch Mitchum free jury zone. I did have Joe making the jury the jury, if you will. Also, like, just look at him like he's very post-merge coded. I had a feeling that especially given the fact I'll get into this, that Loggy, I got to see Loggy be so dominant in that first episode. It's like, oh, yeah, they're never going

to tribal council. So here's what I had to say about Joe. Given his physique, leadership experience and warm family man demeanor, Joe becomes the BMACM.A.C. big man at camp on Loggy. Every single tribe member at some point will feel good about him, leaving him precariously caught between too many deals. Despite being in good with everyone, Joe's ultimate number one is Eva. The two will bond over their athletic backgrounds, their inspirational stories and their desires to play in a respectful and honorable way. Indeed, much of Joe's.

Why did I say indeed? What the hell? Who do I like? I thought it was exactly right. Oh, indeed. Ergo, much of Joe's game will focus on the difficulties he has cutting people's throats, but also maintaining his preseason goals of loyalty and bringing his group to the end. His moral quandary will culminate in a scene where he dramatically talks

to his late sister on the beach about who he should go with to the end. His moral quandary will culminate in a scene where he dramatically talks to his late sister on the beach about who he should go with to the end. Things get further complicated when David approaches Joe and Eva at the merge about creating a meat phalanx of all the physical plan. Well, Joe accepts the idea of making his target smaller. He puts down his shield soon enough into the merge, leading and I rate David to tear him apart. Unfortunately for Joe, taking out both Star and David, but not the Star of David, leaves him perfectly exposed as the number one threat in the game,

someone who has the ear and vote of everyone, as well as the ability to make moves. And so despite how fractured the merge tribe is, everyone except Eva joins together to take him out. Joe's boot will send a veritable tsunami through the casuals, who has a collective fell in love with the new Joe due to his challenge, strength and heart. Instead of trying to get pushed onto 50, they will instead try a tactic out of another notable survivor, Joe starting a GoFundMe to raise him a million dollars.

His ally was Eva and his enemy was David. Oh, you know what? That was pretty good, too. Like, Marianne, where are you leaning? Because I have my thoughts. Um, I'm like, Liana was close, especially with like a lot of like the movement and the Joe and the meat alliance. But I feel as if Mike, other than placement, you had it with David.

You had the evil lines you had like I'm leading more Mike, I think. Me as well. I'm sorry. Point Mike. But like, yeah, it was close. It was very close. It was like too close, you know. Yeah, they're secretly in production. Yeah. Well, the other three theories about it figured it out. The other day in which is that's true. I am literally Jeff Robes.

All right. Well, let's get into forgetting where to drink my milk. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no know what, actually, we were talking before about David Stanham. Was that his attempt at another joke of like, yeah, the thing about it is men drink their milk. They drink like this. You do a very good David voice like that was like if I close my eyes. I would know why Joe. I can see why David said what he said, like because it's like if you're a big and muscular guy, your muscles are going to push your arm up

anyways, right? So I can see why I'd be more comfortable to be a 90 degree. So I'm not a biologist. Does that work at all? Is it like this joke? We just walk around like this. They can't put their arms out. Well, T-Rex did do that.

T-Rexes were, you know, but T-Rex had small arms. It's like the biomechanics of like, you just can't put your arms down. You're walking around like that kid from The Christmas Story. Because it is always like spec out like. Actually, he was swole. Nobody knew. But underneath all those layers, that dude was packing steroids. Yeah. OK.

Well, let's get into quite the stacked individual who stacked up a couple of jury votes here. Let's talk about our runner up or should I say skater up in Eva? I had Eva. So thank you over. Thank you. Thank you. So I had Eva. Now, some people heard this one before. Brand new idea.

Making the finale. I said that after seeing everyone freely tell their stories in the opening match, Eva decides to tell her tribe about her autism and much to her relief, they welcome her with open arms. Looking to assemble her team for the playoffs last merge, Eva looks to Joe due to their similar athletic background. Unfortunately, as some will say during the season, Eva's fixation on keeping her alliance together comes at the cost of the proverbial puck passing her by. When she's blindsided by the Joe vote out.

She'll lament how she made a survivor own goal by being too trusting in her allies. Evil will be the undisputed challenge beast of the season, getting more necklaces than a Labor Day sale at Claire's. More or less than Maria. Oh, yeah, I guess that's the bad old hag. All of that. I guess that's the bad old hag. All of it. That's wrong. Oh, my.

Mary, you're here for the Maria strays that they threw earlier. So my God, that's considered elder abuse, according to Eva. But in the crucial final five immunity challenge, her nerves get the best of her as she blows the lead and her game faced between the two former loggy allies of Eva and Shaheen, the new senior majority. Yes. The side, the youngest player is the biggest threat to their own lifespan

in the game. Seeing the dissertation writing on the wall, Eva shocks the players and the jury alike when she reveals at her last tribal council that she's a PhD student, prompting a standing ovation as she's voted out. Her ally was Joe, then Shaheen, and her enemy was the final five puzzle. Oh, I mean, it was the fact that you even said the PhD thing is crazy, although the response was a bit more tepid. But my god, I don't know. Did you look at Chrissy?

Oh, my gosh. That was my god, I don't know. Did you look at Chrissy? Oh, my gosh. That was. Yeah, I know that was people. People take their jobs too seriously is what I'm going to say. OK, well, I took this very seriously. I had Eva making the family. And it's not repetitive at this point, but you know, we had a who would have thought that as much as people were saying that the end of the season would be incredibly predictable, you and I made it even more predictable in

our preseason predictions. We clocked this even before the entire. They should hire both of you as consultants for casting because you could have foreseen this. It's like, all right, this is I see these two working together. This is C squared, K squared. If I hear C squared, K squared one more time. Well, you're going to have to hear it one more time.

Okay, so Eva, Joan, Shaheen connected right away on Loggy, forming the Storm Chasers. Outnumbered Loggy coming into the merge, Eva goes to work, appealing to Siva with her brutal honesty, which appeals to David and Chrissy. With her social connections, Eva sails to the final four without her name being written down until she's forced to make fire at the final four. She narrowly beats Camilla and is able to argue her case to the jury, revealing her autism diagnosis and how she adapted her strategy

of finding loyal players to work with until the end of the game. Eva gets three votes, which gives her second place. So her allies were the storm chasers, Joan Shaheen, and her enemies were the two jurors that didn't vote for her. I didn't specify which to get a hit list, but that was pretty good to. They're on notice. They are on notice.

Wait, what was your final placement, Michael, again? I had her fifth place, I believe. Yeah, yeah. OK, I'm going to go with Liana on this. I agree, too. Yeah. The the that's match point, Liana, but the I know the Mike's PhD thing. Good. I know. But tepid. Yeah. OK.

Much like a good old glass of water from the well. Or that glass of milk at final tribal council. All right. Last. All right. And not least, we've got a whole new whole ass new bubble butt survivor to talk about. Again, this is why I love the photos of a couple of college just out of nowhere is like, yeah, challenges.

By the way, I'm kicked up. A. I got a shelf. Ask back up this dump truck. So here we go. Let's talk about the winner himself, Kyle Leona. You alluded to it a little earlier. So let's fill in the rest of the blank. How did you think Kyle was going to do?

Yeah. Omar, you should just like take your headphones out. You're going to hate this. So I had Kyle making the jury. Kyle forms a strong alliance with charity, Christine Camilla dubbing themselves the C squared K squared. After sacrificing Mitch, the Loggy slash Vula gods, they team up with Loggy to eliminate the remaining Bulas. After this is done, however, Chrissy tries to make a move against Camilla, pitting the C's against the K's.

Don't give Jeff a future season theme of Survivor C's versus K's. It's the C's versus the Ks. Yeah. Kyle ends up as collateral when Loggy gets to be the deciding vote and sides with the Cs, considering Kyle to be the biggest threat to win the game. Kyle also wins two individual immunities, making his target even bigger. His allies were Camilla and C squared,

and his enemy was C squared. I can move K squared. High-fagger squared. I can say that's a high degree. Yes, you never have to hear it again. I'm never going to say it again. All right. Well, I had Kyle. In an utterance of words, I have never said before on this planet. Making the finale. I said that despite having a disastrous day one as the pre merge wends its way,

nobody seems to really care about his rocky start, except for charity, who nobody cares about parentheses. Unlike the survivor, 43 voters zing. Wait, because Gabler is going to give his money to charity. Is that I don't know. At the joke, you should stand up and say it. Maybe that'll make it funny. Exactly. Looking for redemption, Kyle asked to get sent on another journey.

And his tribe acquiesces. Kyle's successful in his mission netting a vote steal, but he chooses to lie upon coming back, continuing to promote the perception of him being the Charlie Brown of the season. As someone who is self-proclaimed to be athletically presenting, how it becomes an early ally of David and gets brought into the meat phalanx alliance in the early. I like that more, honestly.

But a la Charlie, he's the first to spot the iceberg dead ahead. And his predictions are validated when the ship ends up sinking. But luckily Kyle's game does not. He locks in with his fellow Sivas in Camilla and Chrissy. Despite being firmly on the bottom, the three are able to put their heads together as to how to proceed and the underdogs become the top dogs by the final five. The peak of the Siva's CV comes at the final six. Using the vote steal and an idol, they're able to turn the numbers in their favor, taking an iron grip of the game through to the final three. Feeling truly bonded through their time on the bottom,

Kyle revealed to Camilla that he's actually a lawyer. We. Oh, you're crazy. While she enlires his candor, it gives the gamer plenty of pause as to whether she wants to take him to the end. But she's not really given a choice when the two face off in fire making. Making it to day 26, Kyle approaches the stand, though he is sitting, pitching how impressive he navigated out of a corner using strategy and advantages. Unfortunately, the jury has a tough time separating his move from Camilla's

and simultaneously has much stronger personal relationships with Shaheen. As a result, Kyle is given a losing verdict in a game. A loud portions of the fan base would say is the best runner up game since Dom Abate. His ally was Camilla and Chrissy and his enemy was the jury. Wait, so who was the winner in your situation? Again, Shaheen Shaheen. OK, well, I would leave Mike. What do you think?

I actually this is where I split. I think I leave me on a. Oh, yeah. I'm in here. Break the tie. Where's Laurel and Yanni? Well, I was the official guest. Oh, wow. You're one. All right. Marianne won her season over. Well, I was the official guest. Oh, wow. All right.

Marianne won her season over. You're going to come in here and try to pretend like you have more power than she does. I'd like to hear her rationale for Leona, because Mike was closer. Yeah, I know, because I was thinking, yes, Mike was closer. But I think other than his idol and be rich was so fundamentally against it was such an anti-advantage season that the big focus of it being advantage focused rather than bonds that you make is what pushed me away from it and pushed me towards

Liana. Like I really liked how Liana was like the strategy, even though he got voted out early was very this is a bond focused thing. This is a bond focused thing. I felt that was a more clear thing rather than the actual placement. Well, interesting because I felt the opposite because one, Mike said C squared K squared less to Mike's saying that he they took an advantage or took control of the game using an idol and a vote steal. That did happen, but earlier in the game, it just happened. Pre-merge and they needed those things to survive.

And then they could use the bonds to kind of throw for it. So it was just shifted a bit earlier. No, but that didn't really he didn't take control of the game. He saved his game with those things. Yeah, but he had control and then he had control. No, he didn't have control. He was kind of just like, you know, sitting around and the moves that he was doing benefited him so you have to rock the boat earlier.

I disagree because no, I'm giving my point to Mike. I'm giving it to Liana. Yeah, tiny. I. Everybody doesn't feel like it's really a survivor for me. You all. Yeah, I'm keeping a season tally who won the season.

I feel like I don't know. I think my crazy. You guys don't keep track of it. I think Mike probably won. Yeah, I mean, I was definitely more off the mark than I was for 47, which was just like the freakiest, biggest thing ever. But again, I do think that this felt like a season where by and large, I think the people who we assume to succeed did succeed.

I mean, remember, Ron Leona, so your final three was Joe Eva Chrissy. I had no my final three was Joe Eva, David, Joe Eva, David. And mine was a Milan as the final four. And mine was Mellon as the final four. And mine was Shaheen, Kyle, Chrissy, and then Camilla. As the fourth. Yeah. Both very close. Wow. You know, I'm falling into when you see one. Yeah. Well, Mary, and I'd be remiss not to ask you.

Yeah. About your thoughts on the newest induction into the survivor winners circle. What are your thoughts about Kyle now that the confetti has officially fallen? I love a good cow. And I feel like this season was very reminiscent of old school survivors. You find that alliance, you make sure you're not too high in the alliance that everybody hates you when you're making the moves, but you're just low enough that no one's going to think of targeting you. You make it to the end, you have these moves, you have the perceived head of the alliance who can speak about those main moves, but you've made your own things

in secret, which can destabilize and show the agency that you've had throughout the game. Because like, I think, you know, it might, people might have been complaining it's a boring season, whatever seasons are subjective, but like, if you have a path to a million dollars, which is a smooth sailing, why are you going to change it? You're here not to play for players, you're here to play for money. And he did exactly what he needed to do. He exactly rocked the boat when he needs to rock the boat, kept it still when he needed to keep it still.

Had such a good mind in the game where it's like he managed to go, not anger Joe or Eva, managed to do all of that, take it to the end and still have the respect of the jury. I think that it was a great game. Textbook game. Yeah, I think a very good game as well. Yeah, I think incredibly solid. I think, again, he was really playing able to play into a lot of the quote unquote themes of the theme, the season, which was able to take advantage of incredibly tight relationships, able to

cultivate a lot of great social capital with the bonds that he was making. There was even some stuff that he has did not make the edit that he's talked about in exit press about all that. He had a really close bond with Cedric, as an example. Obviously, we found out after the fact that David was his former number one and that even Kyle and Camillo were like, Yeah, we weren't really number ones until David said that we were number one, and that even Kyle and Camilla were like, yeah, we weren't really number ones until David said that we were number one. So, I mean, again, maybe it goes to show to your point, Mary, and why

Kyle never felt the need to necessarily flip things is because he felt that he was in a pretty good standing with the jury no matter what. And when you have the clincher of sending your number one ally there who's able to set you up so well by bringing up like, hey, if you think I was just a social player who didn't make moves, look what I just did, then it really is something to nail the point home. And so I love getting to know Kyle as well over the course of this season, obviously a lot from his past that it brings in to make the person who he is in

the present and how this money and this win and this legacy is going to inform his future as well. And it makes me really excited to see Kyle emerge as the champion of all this. I agree. All right. Well, we'd be remiss, of course, if we didn't leave the season without getting into this next game, especially when we have Omer on. leave the season without getting into this next game, especially when we have Omer on. Of course, we got to see all of these respective pieces of animalia battle it out over the course of the better part of 13 weeks. But Omer, you make this metaphor literal as you love to do on the BNB as we are engaging in your tried and trusted animal game.

Yes. And I want you to pull up. Okay, so let's move forward. So we're doing the animal game again this time. Same rules. Perhaps in the future we'll have an evolution. We don't know. But for now...

Animals will evolve by here. Yes. Like Pokemon. Yes. Do we have the first slide, please? Do I have control or do you have you have the control? You've had the control since the prediction. Oh, I can move this.

You're a wet labber. I see that. Yeah. You see that? A little bit there. Yeah. Yeah. So we have every time we have the host, Michael, who, who is still the mere cat and Michael Dimitri Bloom. Do you remember who the survivor mere cat was? You keep asking me this every time and I will continue to forget.

But I'm just setting you up, Omar, because of course I know. But remind that the only Harley Day is in 46. So you probably should write that down somewhere. OK. I'm Liana Borics. There's your micro pipette, you red tailed hawk. I should have asked you. Red tailed hawk, I remember. And then here's Maryanne coming crashing into the BNB late in the game

as the Amazon parrot. So now we can move forward with Survivor 48 animals. On here are. a bunch of animals. These are 24 animals. What a number. But 20 of them are representing, or 18 are representing the current 18 castaways. Six are decoys. We'll start off by showing you an animal and you have to guess the person.

Then when the last six are around, you'll have to see you'll see the person and guess the animals. So you do have to kind of keep this sheet. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep that screenshot. Do whatever you need to do midway through right before we go into the other round. I'll show you the ones that are left over, though. So we have a variety here and it'll be interesting to see where we go.

Do you guys remember who won last season? I don't remember. No, I think it's Mike. I season? I don't remember. No memory. I think it might have been me. Yeah, we had Lindsay in as our third chair. Yes. So Mike, every time we play this request that he as the man of the house goes first, Liana as his work wife goes second, and then the guest goes third.

So we're just going to keep that energy here. He specifically texted me before asking for that. Yeah, that does sound like something I'd say in between Andrew Tate viewings. Exactly. So the first, oh, and before we get going, the disclaimer of every time, every animal on here is pretty fricking cool

and they are all amazing creatures. If you get one that you don't like, that's actually on you because you don't understand them and you maybe should learn something about them before you whine to me about how you hate your animal. Some of them have resemblances to the person in strong ways, others in weaker ways, but their essence is always captured overall.

And so how this will work is I have the Asian elephant here. Mike, you can guess out of all 18 people who's the Asian elephant for three points, or you could sacrifice a point to get the clue. And you can always request at any point in time, any of you, the numerical score between one to 10 of how much it resembles the person that distracts you or it could help you. And so and that's a free hint any time people want it or don't want it. I already know who this is. I'm already locked in.

Oh, wow. All right. Well, let's see if it gets around to you. If it's not who I think it is, then you're just wrong, Omar. OK. Oh, you famous animal hater would know more than me. Also, animals. This is the Asian elephant. This is not the African elephant. So if you guys think that it's not right because you think that it's an elephant,

there's a difference between an Asian and African elephant. And this person is not an African elephant. I know this person is an Asian elephant. Yeah. All right. So for the uninitiated, myself included, please, I will sacrifice the point. And give me some descriptors of the Asian elephant. Resilient, caring and gritty. OK, see, the first thing I was thinking of is that.

Kyle kind of described himself as having an elephant ass, but it doesn't. Yes. Sound like, OK, so I'm trying to think gritty. Like I'm trying to think about. If there was anyone from the majority alliance that would seemingly come across as gritty, you know, because they didn't face a lot of grit, at least in their seeds. And I guess the question is, a lot of them came in with these big stories. Could the grit possibly come from there?

I mean, the word caring is something that really. But also, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, steals. But he got it right. Oh, was that the one? Oh, yeah, Marianne, what? No, yeah, no. It's so obviously David, because you have an elephant, which is Jonathan and Asian elephant, slightly worse Jonathan David. Easy. No, Jonathan's the African elephant and Joe is the Asian elephant. No, Jonathan.

No, by definition, David is the Asian elephant. I mean, this is wrong. But you're wrong. Why don't we wait until what David's animal is and then we can circle back to this moment. OK, how about that? No, I stand on business. OK, Leanna. OK.

Your animal is the palm civet. And if you do not know for the uninitiate, actually, no, I'll keep that on the DL for now. Wait, what? We'll find out later. Oh, okay. Do you know what a palm civet is? It looks cute.

I know that. Okay, I kind of just want to guess. I'm going to guess Mary. OK, so for the uninitiated, if she doesn't get this, Maryanne or Mike would have the opportunity to either guess for two points or to get the hint. And crazily enough, Leona is right. She just looks like Mary.

So Mike has to wait high on your scale. Remember, was she correct in that? This was like a seven to eight on a scale of one to ten. Wow. And the palm civet, interestingly athletic, a commodity, iconic and obsessed. Everybody was obsessed with Mary. Twitter, the Vula members that kept wanting to vote her out. And she was a commodity.

The civet is an animal that's farmed for its fecal material because it eats coffee beans. And then the coffee beans are digested and passed. And it's a delicacy and an extremely expensive coffee in parts of Asia. And it is unfortunate. We really need a redistribution of wealth. People need a reckoning of how they're spending their money. Yeah, but they get kept in really terrible conditions to farm their shit, unfortunately. And that's like Mary on the Vula tribe. She just needed to get up and let her fight freely. So that is Mary Mother Mary right there.

Yes, Mary. That's an excellent with 17 people in the game. Impressive. It looked like Mary. That was your literal Sean the Darkly on it. And once again, a little Mary. I know. It looked like Mary. That was your literal shot in the dark, Leon. And once again, a little Mary. I know. I know. OK, the curacao for Mary. Oh, yeah. I'm going to have a hair.

You're going to take the hint. OK, this this creature can scream really loudly in very funny ways. Gregorius, vibrant. Oh, in a good way. You write that in a good way. God. In a good way. You write that word in a good way. You say in a good way. In a good way. And is this like the viewer's perception in a good way

or is this the players perception in a good way? Our, you know, our experience with this player on the screen and vibrant. Hmm. And what's the scale from one to ten? The scale from one to ten, I would say, is like a six. There's elements that are very strong, but as a whole. Maybe not as a whole, but there's elements like the eyes, the beak, the hair, well, maybe not the hair. You see, I have two names in my mind.

I'm not feeling good about it, but I feel as if like I feel as if. I don't know. Is it charity? It is. Maryanne is wrong, just like she was wrong about the Asian elephant. Michael, you know, I'm right about the Asian elephant. I stand on that business. Is it Stephanie? It is Stephanie. Yeah.

Use this very adjective to describe Mary in a good way. That's right. That's what I remembered. I was like, OK, oh, listen, not not to simplify too much. I didn't narrow town the cast by about half when you. And Mary was off the table, right? So Mary was off the table that was low hanging fruit was off the table. That was low hanging fruit. The hair a little bit there, you know, it's not up, but it's, you know. Yeah. And they're both serving.

This is like an iconic animal that people don't know about. But if you ever see this animal at a zoo, one of the most entertaining animals because they're running around screaming everywhere, being little cuties. All right. Back to Mike for the common or the giant. Oh, my God. That's like two sets of eyes. I was I feel like it's saying my eyes are up here because I kept looking at like the two little patches. A little white patches. Yeah.

OK. Tell me more about this. Give me some descriptors. OK. Sacrificing a point for built intense unexpected. Built. Built. Oh, built, built. Look at how look at it. OK, built intense, unexpected. I mean, it's got to be David. It's got to be. I expected is like everything with with like his his background.

Intense is obviously the intensity brought that led to him being pointed out. Built a duck knock knock. Who's there? It's David. Yeah. OK. All right. Here's your David. You not see this? Mm hmm. She sees it, but she's afraid to admit it.

No, this is me being honest. I just think that the Asian elephant, if it is the Asian elephant, must be paired with the African elephant. And I think that if the African elephant is Jonathan, the Asian elephant is David. If the African elephant is Mike, the Asian elephant is Joe. And that is perhaps the common e-land is really Jonathan who's to say, but I need you to like really zoom into the face of a giant e-land and David's.

It's basically oh, yeah. Look at that. Yeah. Well, it was the moment. Mike, when you said the like the two eye thing, I was like, like double nipples, just like David. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that intense stare. The strong nose. Same thing. All right. Leona, you've got the chameleon.

Oh, OK. So this is very interesting because a chameleon, I know the like lore amongst the chameleon chameleons, right? Like being able to, you know, disguise themselves, right? So I'm trying to think about like, is that the angle that you think of? Because like you're the expert, right? And like pop culture can get so many things wrong. So I don't have that immediately like merry feeling.

So I would like to see the hands. Okay, so you are, you could tie with Michael if you get it after the hands, because he's at five. You're at three, quiet, scrappy, expressive when cornered. If you've ever tried to restrain a chameleon, you know, they pretend they're not there. And then when you grab it, it's like it's going to kill you. It's like, also, they, this has nothing to do with the person. Absolutely no will to live.

They will, you know, they just like them and guinea pigs, like, forget about it. They need a nail trim, put it down. It's not going to work out. Wow. Oh, my God. Get help, chameleons. Hmm. It gets better. OK, I'm going to go with Bianca. Bianca is wrong.

Marianne for the steal. Boo. Hmm. Let's just go from one to 10. For the look, I would say like a six. Oh, but mostly like I think a four until it opens its mouth. Then it's like a six. Mm hmm. And the tongue comes out. So quiet, scrappy.

Expressive when cornered. Is it? no, because you you I want to ask a specific question. The no will to live has zero impact with the person because if it does have impact, I have someone in my mind does not. OK. I don't know. So I'm going to go with. But I can't think of any names, so I'm going to go with just like the name,

which I don't think it is, so I'm not giving my cats. So I'm going to go with Justin. You are incorrect. I know I am. Michael, for the last deal. Smart six points. Leanna, I think if my following of Omer's logic is correct, you may have given me this answer earlier when we said that as much of a delightful surprise as Chrissy was a final tribal council.

There have been moments where when she was on the bottom, despite being kind of purple, she opened her mouth and let the words flow. I think this is Chrissy. Mike has got it down. This is Chrissy. Mike has got it down. This is Chrissy. Forgot her last name, but it's our now. See, Starnowski and her mouth, you know, when she's she's kind of blends in with the background, she was barely on the show.

Then when she gets put in that fighting fight or flight position, she's going to let it be she's going to let it flow. And she and chameleons also think that Eva is not on the men's hockey team, which is crazy. What a crazy coincidence. Crazy, they think. Yeah. OK. So Mike is up to six points, Liana at three, Marianne at zero, but we know that Marianne's a come from behind kind of gal.

The honey badger. Play. Whose turn is it first? Marianne's Marianne's. I'm not making it up. it first? Mary Anne's Mary Anne's. I'm making it up. The Honey Badger are known for scams. Like it's called a honey badgering. Like if you're a honey badger, you make a scam. OK, OK.

I was like, wait, are they running like MLMs amongst the roading community? I gave your first so many, but I can help you with some. That's so good. How dare you, Mike? This is not a rodent. What's the scale from one to 10? Um. Teeth bearing honey badger like a seven honey badger at rest, a four. I'm going to go with star.

That is incorrect. You didn't go for the hints, Mike. And I allowed it. Or do I have two points without the hint? One point with the hint. Yeah, I'll keep staying conservative here and go with the head. OK, bold. Don't care. Honey badgers don't care.

Actually, I stand by my star guess with that head. So I'm not even mad. I agree with Maryanne. I thought I stand by my star guests with that head. So I'm not even mad. I agree with Marianne. I thought I thought it's a checklist instead of fearless. Bold don't care. If you're less reckless, I will say, well, Star might be my number one family if you'd answer. My number two is not far behind, much like she was in pursuing

Mary through the jungle. Is it safe? Yes, this is a thousand percent safe place. You know, her resemblance to a honey badger in terms of gameplay at 10. Fearless will go for it. Does it will battle prey or battle the animal three times her size because she'll get a buck like she is out there like a honey badger. So that's absolutely true. So that's seven points for Mike, three for Liana.

And Marianne is going to come from behind and win. I don't think so. The Garinac. Michael. Blue. Oh, I'm standing on two legs. All right. They're known for forging in the higher trees. Let's hear these loving and sometimes NSFW descriptors over for the Garinac stoic creative diet, athletic and creative diet is there going to levels of trees that other animals can't get to because they're not tall enough.

OK, Stoic and athletic. I've also done a postmortem on one of these. Oh, but not the person. Oh, yeah, I hope not. OK, Stoic, creative diet and athletic. Well, athletic, unfortunately, to Leona's meat man point, does narrow things down considerably. Trying to think of like Stoic. It feels like we have sort of crossed off the people like I would say Cedric, but Cedric is quite the opposite of athletic in terms of his challenge. For now, I'm thinking about like creative diet.

Justin does work at a pizzeria. Could it be Justin? And that's my guess. And Michael is correct. Again, what? The hell? My god. He's so good at this.

Justin, you know, the Garinook is achieving leaves and brows that no one else can because it's on its back legs. And Justin's creating pizzas from scratch that nobody's ever tried before. And I think that that is incredible. He also has a long hair much like the Garinook, but not long enough to be a giraffe. The resemblance was high on that one. Yeah, I can see it. White-bellied Kaique.

Now we had the black capped Kaique in a previous version one year ago that was Jessica Chong. This is the white-bellied Kaique. Very different, but similar. Same, same, but different. Okay, can I get the scale of one to 10? This is the white belly cake. Very different, but similar. Same, same, but different. Mm hmm. OK, can I get the scale of one to 10? I would say this is a solid seven.

Oh, a solid. Who lifts their foot like that, Leona? I know. I'm like, who gives me that? Like kind of that little look with their little seven to eight. Honestly, now that I'm looking. Really? OK, I'm going to guess Bianca. Wrong.

Marianne, two points or one point. One day it'll be Bianca. So it's either two or one. Two or two. Or if you take the hint, it'll be one. Hmm. I'll just start. Wrong. OK, Michael, you get to or you can take the hits.

You know what? I'll join these two in the flagrant guessing here because I was laughing about like who sticks their leg up that. But I remember who sticks their leg up like that when they are complaining about not making use of their absolutely luxuriatingly beautiful assets. Is this Shaheen? This is not Shaheen either.

So the categories were jumpy off the walls, goofy, chaotic. I stand up with Star. I. It was Kevin. And it doesn't look like the way he dove actually off the platform. Energy. Yeah, like office just like a kayak. And we love that. All right. So no points for that one. Also, shout out to Kevin.

Kevin got a shout out in the finale when Kyle was like, if I close this beach, remember that guy who cut nearly got metaback when he dislocated his shoulder and I lost him because I broke a jar. Daniel Strunk and ghost the ghost of Daniel Strunk. Let's look at your shoulder on survivor. You're cooked in multiple ways between that and the ghost of Daniels drunk. Don't dislocate your shoulder on survivor. You're cooked in multiple ways between that and the near rock draw that happened. Daniels struck was really living rent free in those people's heads.

Truly. All right, Mary Ann, you're up on the monitor lizard. So I know Manderliz are usually in. Is it South East Asia or South Asia? They live in Asia, Africa and Australia. And I know they are massive. And I know that they love to stay in 711. They like to what? Sorry. They love to stay in 711. Oh, interesting.

So many like pictures. If you search up like Maunder Lizard in 711, you're going to get multiple photos. I need to have Maunder Lizards. Why are they like drinking slushies? Why 711? Just like, I don't know, the AC or something? Is it Cedric?

Wow, you're really bold and go for it without any context. No, it is not Cedric. OK, you know what? You have to go for broke in your position. I get it. All right. I will take the hint then. Adaptable, intelligent cunning. Oh, adaptable. This could describe a good amount of people here.

Ah, so you really have to go for the. Oh, adaptable. This could describe a good amount of people here. So you have to go for the. Now I look in the. By the. Yeah, what's what's the scale here? Not the scales on the lizard. In my opinion, it's like an eight. An eight. All right, if I wasn't like partially face blind, this would be a lot handier here.

I am going to say. Could this be? Camilla. Camilla is wrong. Leona, for the final steel. Oh, I'm trying to go based on looks and I just I don't see it. Oh, my. Like Camilla. Oh, OK, I'm going to go with. Oh, I'm going to go with Kyle.

Yes, you are correct. It is a 50 50 between the two of them. He's very serpentine lizard like and in the way he moves, the way he acts. And no, he doesn't. He walks weird. He doesn't. He kind of is. And have you seen him? I would do if he got that thing out.

Hello, Monica. I understand why. Right. He's like, you're a great distribution. Like I feel like there's a principle involved in keeping this guy walking. That is like this. Whatever you just did, that's literally how they walk. Exactly. OK, well, I haven't seen enough monitor lizards at 7-Eleven to know that. OK.

Ostensibly, yes. All right. Michael Bloom, the leopard. All right. Give me the definition. I know what a leopard is, but I want to see what your leopard is. Observant, stealthy, charismatic, observant, stealthy. So stealthy would obviously indicate to me even nightstick, but I don't believe it's that I'm going to say it is Thomas. You are wrong, Leanna, for the steal.

I'm going to say Shaheen. You are right. I mean, he's very like those are the two I was between. I was like, it's either Thomas or Shaheen. I just don't know which one. And there's even a Persian leopard called the Amur leopard. So very stealthy, very stealthy. All right. The call duck.

Oh, look at that. Oh, look at that. Yes, look at this. That's so cute. Is this yours, Leanna? What's what's what's the scale? Yeah, the scale, I would say, is an eight. This person looks like a duck. Well, it looks like a duck and it sounds like it sounds like a duck.

Oh, it's so cute. OK, I can I is it? Wait, whose turn is it? It's me. OK. Can I can I is it? Wait, whose turn is it? Is it you? It's me. OK, can I have the descriptors, please? You may unhinged, loud and charming. OK, perhaps much to Mary Ann's chagrin. I am going to go with star.

Oh, you're wrong. You know, yeah. Mary Ann for the steals ease. Has your mother said Camilla has not been on. I'll say Camilla. You are also wrong. Michael Bloom. Last. Oh, boy. OK. So now unhinged, loud and charming.

OK, so not Camilla, not star. I'm between these two, these freaking duos. I got the last two that you're between. I'm between these two. These frickin duos. I got the last two that you're between. I'm between Thomas and Bianca right now. Bianca is. I think I'm going to go with Bianca because Bianca was very unhinged in my previous interviews. It's carrying over. Well, the sex dream really put us over the.

Yeah, like how could it? Yeah. Yeah. Eating the fish raw. I hope the duck doesn't do that, too. And she does. Oh, the the air. Yeah. Like how could they know? Yeah. Yeah. Eating the fish raw. I hope the duck doesn't do that too. And she looks like. Oh, the duck does. Yeah. And you know who was the mallard duck last season? Annika. Same spot. Same. You know, it's that same vibe. Episode five. Watch out, ducks. They're going to hunt. You're dead.

Marianne, you get the European badger. Look at this. What's the scale? Hello. Oh, I think this one's like a nine or 10. Is it Cedric? Wow. And you get the European badger. Look at this. The fellow. This. Oh, I think this one's like a nine or 10. Is it so? Wow. Yes. There is. It's totally on the. It has glasses.

Yeah. Yeah. The expert forager and borrower, just like he's burying into people's asses to read rumors. Versatile. That's also my favorite part was like, I love Kyle's runner of just trying to make Cedric lack like he did at the travel council when he talks about the bubble button, he's like, I got to get myself set up with one of Cedric's friends to get it fixed. And Cedric just no response whatsoever.

And you know, this European badger eats tons of types of food and Cedric will vote for anybody that walks. So it's like, you know, it's all there. It's pretty wild that Cedric was the reason why we got the first vote in what, like 18, 13, so the show where all three people got a jury vote. Yeah, crazy. Just he's so fantastic.

Always keep him guessing. We have exited the first phase of the game and now we are the last six. We are going to the decoy animals plus the last six people. So now you'll get the person. We have the American Kestrel, the dick dick, the dung beetle, the lady Ross to Rocco, the octopus, the parrot fish, pronghorn, raccoon, sable antelope, sea sponge, Zabouma, foo, seafaka and tree frog. All right.

Michael Bloom, Camilla. Oh, boy. And this is somewhere. Remind me, we can also ask for the now. You know, now you describe the person. Yes. But it's also the animal. It's both. OK, so give me descriptors of Camilla now, because she has been evading us. Unexpected, sneaky and lovable. Unexpected, sneaky.

I it is I feel so wrong trying to typify which animals are more lovable than other ones here. Yeah, well, I'm more lovable than others. Sneaky indicates to me. Could be a raccoon. I feel like raccoons are the ones that are like running around all the time. Sneaking. I will go with.

Yeah, I'll go with raccoon. Raccoon. OK, you are wrong. Oh, oh, interesting. OK, um, what's the little guy with the two yellow? The Safika, what's that? Well, that's a boomer. If you're brothers. Yeah, that is a lemur.

OK, I pick the lemur. That is incorrect. But I did want to submit a BNB or sorry. A wait, do you guys watch the boomer or no? Yeah, yeah. OK. incorrect. But I did want to submit a BNB or sorry, a wait, did you guys watch the boomer who or no? Yeah, yeah. OK, I wanted to submit a what was the one thing? Yeah, a wand off of the boomer who except say you need a and the but doctor. I didn't get around to it, but it's been great.

And that's the boomer who it would have been say only a and the. But doctor. I'll send you everything I was working on. Yes, I want to get the prototypes, get the demo in the studio. OK, Mary, I'm going to go with the three frog. You are incorrect. Oh, that's wrong. The heels. OK. So then who gets to guess again? Oh, wait, no, that's wrong.

OK. So then who gets a guess again? Oh, wait. No, he doesn't. So it's the American. This is a really small but very predatory bird that you would not expect to be such a killer. But it is a killer, just like killer Camilla KK Kestrel. Camilla. Oh, the clues were there. Where are the dogs are better than the American Camilla, notably not American. One thing's it's so cute. I know everyone's like, if you look at that tree frog, it's like, oh, it's so cute.

Yeah, but the tree frog isn't like a big killer, you know, like this is like how to the people who looked at, you know, how this thing, not a tree frog, you can lick a tree fog all you want. It's fine. Does you know what a Kestrel does? It severs the prey of its that it's eating with by this with a spinal cord. Like it will go through the spinal cord with its little beak. That's pretty fucking smart. OK, Thomas.

OK. Octopus. No, they're smart. He's smart. Lady Ross, Turacco. They're smart. He's smart. Lady Ross Turacco also know. I'm not. I'm going to get this malarkey out of the way. I'm doing the descriptor. OK, rascal, mischievous resourceful. Oh, this is the raccoon. Look at that little face. Look at those two.

They're they're one of the same. The resemblance was strong on this one. Yeah, yeah, I really see it. And sometimes I whiskers and the mustache. It makes a lot of sense. I could see Thomas Dumpster diving to who's the same how among the music industry and who hasn't Mitch Schwerer. This is you.

You said that this animal, you can look at it and be fine. Doesn't kill. So I'm going to go to the tree frog. And she is right. You can do it. Wow. Marianne, just hold on. I missed something. What did I miss? And I know remember when you were licking Maria, though.

She's taking a lot of hits on this one. The man frog. Yeah, I was in Galapagos Portis for Maria. Yeah, we've got present agile. all those carnival games, uniquely talented. Those carnival games, you know, Mitch has got it, you know. And look at that. They look the same. That's a strong resemblance to. Yeah, I see it. All right. Charity now.

I can beat Gasland. I see none of these things with these animals. All right. Give me the descriptors on charity. Territorial center of attention. Mysterious. Everyone's like, we have a charity, you know. Oh, center of attention is an interesting one here. And you really got to know animals to understand it, though. OK, well, that just counts everything. Well, center of attention.

Zabouma, I'm going with the Safaka. No, no, no, because you have to really know animals, you know, actually amongst the lemur community, the ringtail lemur far more well known despite Zabouma being the most famous lemur in the world. So, oh, well, in that case, yeah. And OK, I'm going to go with the Lady Ross, Turacco, Turacco. No, it is not the Lady Ross, Turacco, Marianne for the final steal.

What's the resemblance? Because if the resemblance is high, I know exactly who it is. It's like an eight or nine. It's a parrotfish. Yes. What? Oh, she's coming. Here she comes. I need glasses. What are people doing?

It's so obvious. Do you not see it there? Immediately. I wish that was fine, because I would have gotten another three right there. Yeah, she would have gotten the three. Like, look at this. Look at those lips. Look at those. That posture. It's the same.

This is the same picture. It's exactly the same picture. This is the same picture, Mike. Yeah. Corporates ask you to identify the difference between these two. And can you say you know that much about a parrotfish or charity? No. I guess I want to know who what who would have parrotfish have voted for in the election. That's what I'd like to know. Any thoughts?

OK, Eva Erickson, Leanna, fellow scientist, PhD. Okay, I'm going to go with the dung beetle. No. Oh, okay. I just worked hard. No, no, no. Eva gathered the most wood on the island. Yeah, yeah.

That's true. That's very true. Makes things like she's a scientist. Could there be a bit of a symbiotic relationship where the palm stevet has the lucrative shit and the dung beetle gathers the shit? Yeah. You know what? I might give you a chaotic relationship where the palm stevet has the lucrative shit and the dung beetle gathers. Yeah. I might give you a half point on that. Just thank you.

Yeah. OK. All right. Mary, I guess you. OK. Yeah. And we don't have the descriptors out there yet. What's the resemblance? The resemblance, I would say, on this one is a seven. A seven to eight. Everything's been like a six to eight. What is your scale? Well, technically, it was a 10.

What? Yeah, well, on a four. Yeah. Look at her. Oh, my God. Here she comes from behind. Yeah, classic Mary Ann. Classic Mary Ann.

So we have a unique animal. So the pronghorn is the only relative, like the closest relative is a giraffe. It's not even that close. They look like an antelope, but they live in North America and they're not an antelope. And there's nothing like it here. They're their own version.

They're the fastest, after the cheetah, fastest land animal in the world. Very sporty. So there you go. That's Eva. So right now we're going to the last question for Mary Ann and we are at 11 points, Mike, nine points, Mary Ann, five points, Leanna. Oh, and here's your girl star after all of those star guesses. And also Leanna had the Bianca one for three points. And after guessing Bianca on everything, she didn't take it. That's why you always guess Bianca, Leanna. I know. We have left. Does everyone know what we have left?

I'm going to say it out loud because I say we have the dung beetle. Yes. The sable antelope. Yes. The sea sponge. Yes. The sea foca. Yes. The Lady Ross Turacco. Yes. The sea foca. Yes. The Lady Ross, Turacco. Yes. And the dick dick. Right. Yes. Yes. OK. And the octopus and the octopus and the octopus.

OK. But so that's the one in seven shot. A little less than shot in the dark. If I just throw it off and I'm too behind, Mike. Yeah. So if you get the two points, you will tie Mike. But that means you would sacrifice one. I know. I'm not going to tie. There's a tiebreaker. There's a tiebreaker that we're.

Oh, no, we're going to we're going to either end. We're ending it this round. We're no because the tiebreaker is worth four points. It's not really a tiebreaker. OK, that's a question. OK, yeah. No, we're still going to. What's the what's the what's the resemblance? The resemblance here, I would say, is like.

I'm going to go with a nine and nine. Look, look closely, Mike. Is it the buck up? No, yeah, that's I will. Give me give me those fricking descriptors over authentic, flashy. Too much or just enough. Oh, too much. OK, so never there's there's never too little too much for most.

But just enough for me and some people. All right. So I'm thinking flashy. Is it lady? I keep thinking it's Lady Smith and Baso, but it's Lady Ross. It is the Lady Ross. Oh, look at that picture. Yeah, that was my 50 50. That's from the above shot where she's, you know, doing her little rap.

You know, the lady Ross Turacco. So the Turacco was also actually a different species for Bruce in his second season, which was, you know, for some people, he was just too much. But for others, it was exactly what we needed, the energy. And the Turacco is a very loud, gregarious, funny animal, very unique. And sometimes they're not completely, they're doing their own thing. So they're not fully aware. Like we would put the Turaco in the cage with all the bats and they would pee all over it. And it would have to be like, whatever, I'm just going to do my thing. It went in with some parrots and sometimes it

would get too close, get its toes bitten off. You know, they just like giving their idol away. Who's to say they're going to do whatever they want. And that is that. Going into the final question, which is worth five points. You said it was worth four points. It's five. We have our tradition. We have Mike with 12 points, Leona with five and Marianne with nine. So you know, we could have a bit of an upset. The last question is always an abstract one and you have to win me over. The cloaca is the

giver of life. But when it prolapses, it can be a life taker, a taker of life. Rejuvenation of life is an experience when we reshape it through the cloacal nip tuck known as the asymmetrical cloacoplasty, which is a new surgical technique that I published a few years ago. Which survivor, past or present,

changed their game of disaster into a transformative masterpiece and best represents the cloacoplasty? Background on the cloaca, it's messy, it's clean, it's everything at once, versatile, poop, urates, eggs, they all come from the cloaca. You have to play survivor cloacally to win because you need to be social, strategic and physical.

So when it prolapses, you're in trouble. Okay, I have a clarifying question, Omar. Yes. Does this need to be a survivor US player? No, it could be anybody, and it could be that they had a transformative experience within the same season or a multi-season arc. It's whatever you want it to be. And for further context, this is an image from my publication showing the technique. I don't even want to know what.

Tation. It's mine. I don't need it. You're like citation is me. I feel like the bottom diagram is like possibly used to show how to whistle. I thought this number is like, that's true. My God. OK, I'm going to go first because I can't win and I don't care. So my answer is Camilla from this season. And let me tell you why.

First of all, she was left out of what we thought was the majority alliance on SEVA. OK, so it was that other group before she was left out. Then she had to do something crazy with the help of Kyle to survive the Loggie Tribal Council. And that move in and of itself put her on the trajectory to make it to the final four. It's solidified her bond with Kyle and it's definitely the Omer published surgery. Perfect survivor example. You're welcome. OK. Michael or Marianne, either of you could go next. That was that we just got Romeo out of the way.

You're welcome. You're welcome. You know, I don't want to I don't want to leave him guessing, you know, just take care of that, get that done. OK, let me just do a quick. I just got to do a quick, quick double check on something. But once he's fact checking, I can go. Yeah, no, because you can you can fact check me because I'm going to get some things wrong.

But I do believe that the fed school equal past last year is Tyson, the apostle. OK, OK. My man came into token chains. He's just a biker, whatever. Some goofing off gets voted off, whatever. OK. And then even worse, it keeps on going downhill, functionally votes himself off at heroes versus villains, gets, you know, looks at the little grubbing man and

believes in himself. He gets to go again for the third time. Blood versus water. This man is not locked in until the moment comes. His girlfriend gets voted out and he's like, what the hell am I doing here? I can't like, he's like, why am I gonna be here? I need to go, I need to transform. I need to lock in to win this money.

What does he do? He wins, he gets himself in a strong alliances and the majority alliance. Jervis is not never gonna flip from him. He's like, he can go back from redemption island. He knows this man has an idol. He found an idol. He's still like, I know that luck is on my side.

I'm still gonna go to rocks, even though I have an idol because I know it's going to work out for me. And guess what it did. And what happens at the end of love versus water, Tyson goes and wins the game. His cloaca is shut and just like surgeries and just like surgeries, there's always a risk that the surgery isn't going to last forever. And we see that at winners at war. OK. If the cloac is a little bit loose, it's fine. He has to come in, get it shut up again, goes back to education, back to the focus. But, you know, a lot of times when you have multiple surgeries, you have comorbidities.

And unfortunately, the bird passed away. And that's Tyson. I'll speak on it. OK. OK. Like she has been going to medical school. Do you ever know? OK, next. Come more Michael. All right. I am going to spoil the last two seasons

of a little franchise called Survivor South Africa for everybody out there. If you do not wish to hear said spoilers in my argument, please tune ahead a couple of minutes, because let me tell you all regale you with the story of a young man by the name of Dino Paulo. Dino is a massive survivor fan. He is an escape room artist in a manner of speaking. And Dino came on to survivor South Africa, Immunity Island, and had what I have personified until Andy came around

as the worst first episode for anyone who has not voted out in survivor history. Dino is able to earn immunity from the first tribal council. He then proceeds in the middle of the challenge to beg the other tribe to throw the challenge, saying, help me, Paul, towards one particular member in the hopes that he would be safe, despite the fact that he was already safe. Dino was running around like a chicken with his head cut off almost mid prolapse, quote, co-wake up, despite the fact that he was firmly covered and shrouded with the idea of individual immunity.

He cannot get out of his own way. And he absolutely made a muck of everything firmly putting himself on the bottom of the tribe. What's more, Dino was swapped, screwed. He was voted out in the pre-emerge of his first season where he was never able to really recover from the absolute disaster that the first three days were, but he was given a second chance. The very next season, Survivor South Africa, Return of the Outcast, pit, pre-merge against post-merge standouts from previous seasons, and Dino was able to showcase just what a second chance can do to a person. He was able to finally make

fortified allies. He was able to pull off some of the biggest blind sides that the franchise had ever seen upon the biggest power players at the time. He was able to win individual immunities from the meat men that were around him. And there was even disaster contained therein. One time in Survivor South Africa Season nine, Dino fell asleep at the fire and he fell into the fire and he burned Michael Scoopin and got them bandaged up where he looked like he was a little seal boy. I did. I wasn't even looking at the face. I was looking at the pause that I could tell that he was a seal boy,

but he had his hands firmly wrapped around the game, even if they were bandaged. A.F. And he was somebody who made his dreams come true, won his second season in a handy fashion in a seven to two jury vote, proving to be one of the more dominating winners of a Survivor season. Absolutely bananas to watch a guy who was begging the other tribe to throw a challenge in his very first episode to winning a season and making an absolute exhilarating experience culminate in such an incredible way on his second one.

If that's not a Chloe capacity, I don't know what is beautiful. I think that Leona's answer was very good. However, Leona's answer reflects a simple, one-time cloacal prolapse. You put some stay sutures in, you don't plasti it, and then it ends up being great if they're on birth control and you stop petting it below the neck and sexually stimulating your bird.

And so that's like a very simple pathway to recovery without needing a little cloacal nip tuck. I think that both Mary Ann and Mike Blooms fulfill the complications required to get to cloacoplasty a bit better. And in fact, maybe it's Mary Ann's medical background but she understood the requirement for several surgeries or attempts of fixing the situation

before you go to this route. And afterwards you have your cloacaplasty, things are going great for a while. Maybe you get a cloaca lift. Maybe you want to lay a new egg because you didn't keep up with your birth control and now you have a very small hole to get out of. There's some complications after, but it can lead to a glorious life for a period of time. So I have to give it to Mary Ann And with five points, she is the winner. She came from behind again.

She did it again. Wow. I'm so happy for that. This ended how Mother Nature intended for a Maryanne to beat a mic. Yeah. No other way. As it always does. Ding, ding, ding. Wow. Now written, so it shall be. My goodness. Yeah, they'll take the woman out of seminary school. She Wow. So it shall be.

My goodness. They'll take the woman out of seminary school. She's already brought it in here. And look at that beautiful cast and their animal equivalents, of which they all look like them on a scale of six to ten. Yep. And this is your this is your group. Great job, everyone. I hope you learn something, a thing or two, and maybe somebody will be the dung beetle

next season or the sea sponge. It can only help. I was waiting for the sea sponge. I was waiting to trap one of you into giving someone a sea sponge. And I was like, especially when you were given like needs all the attention. I'm like, are sea sponge secretly like, you know, egotistical bitches? Yeah, exactly. I want all the attention on these absorbent.

Incredible. Well, thank you, Maryanne, for joining us for the game. Seriously. Thank you so much, Mary. Congratulations on your win. This does count if it counted for Nicole Francil and Reindeer Games. It counts for you here. So you are now a dual winner in all things survivor. Amazing. Wow. Thank you.

I love a good come from behind, just like Omar surgeries, you know, as always. Yeah. And Cedric's and Cedric's. He loves him. My man loves Volvo Volvo. Less bubbleless. You know, I'm you know what I'm trying to say. That's like the name of like a fantasy villain. Sweat your intestines twist on himself and choke him out.

Oh, yeah. Maybe that should be your tiebreaker next time. Oh, more who choke themselves out with their own intestines. Well, actually, I was what I was going to do is we rarely do this at the very end of the season. So I was going to pick a disease and how it killed the animal. And how did that kill their game? Maybe. Oh, I like that. OK. Well, I'm already lying with bated breath for the fall to come.

And we can take a look at the cast of Survivor 49 in such a specific lens. But this was such a fantastic time, as we usually do here on the BNB. We will see the spotlight to our sea sponge in the form of our guests to give us plenty of information to absorb in terms of charity or causes that are important to them that they want the audience to know more about. So, Omar, all yours. What would you like to highlight this week? I'll do local and more broad, but I feel like Wild Ontario is a organization that has a

kestrel. They have non-relatable birds of prey that they use for educate people on the human impact on wildlife, and they rely on donations to care for their birds on donations to, you know, care for their birds and teach and you know, try to bring the environmental impact that we have and understand that impact and help others. So they are, it's arwanontario.ca and they are a local Ontario charity. The other one would be, you know, last time I was on here, we still need help for the people of Palestine who are under way in very tough times. And it's not any better at all. So any charity that helps them out would be a good cause. Perfect. Thank you so much, Omar. Marianne, you're here. You graced us with your presence. Anything you'd like to plug for the listeners? Of course. Same with Omar. Any

humanitarian aid to Gaza is very important, especially because you know, Canada as a nation has gone and said, let's make sure we have a ceasefire to go and bring humanitarian aid and I support that and support what my prime minister says. As for something a little more local to you, less local to me, there's this actual charity that I heard of which I love so much, it's called Raising Men and Women Lawn Care Services. Right? So what they do is that they have teens and like usually men, women who are kids, and they get them to mow lawns, like lawns of the elderly, single parents, those who aren't

able to go and mow lawns. And it's really about like, you know, building that character of helping your community. And then also really just helping someone in need and bringing that community as well to both the kids and the people whose lawns are being mowed. community and then also really just helping someone in need and bringing that community as well to both the kids and the people whose lawns are being mown. I think it's just like one of those small acts of kindness which can be so overwhelming to do if you don't have someone to do it but can really make such a big thing. So raising men and women lawn care service. I love that. I've never heard about that before but again that's why I love getting to do this segment is because there are the these acts of kindness and unique charities,

especially that listen, you know, grass grows, everyone needs on their lawns mode. And, you know, the ability to have a chance to bring in the disenfranchised to be able to do that is a really incredible opportunity all around. So thank you so much, Marianne, for highlighting that, too. And thank you both so much for coming to the BNB. It was an incredible way to end the season. Again, as I talked about in the beginning of this podcast, there was a lot of ups and downs to this entire roller coaster of a 13-week experience, but this promptly ended on a high with the two of you coming on to bring it all to a close. I know that I believe you both are participating and have participated in.

Of course, these survivors play blood on the clock tower series that we have over on the Rob has a podcast YouTube channel. For those who haven't checked it out and look, we're going to have a bit of a long off season for us survivor fans if they're looking for a social strategy fix. Why should they check out that series? Yeah, over is mean to me. And so if you love seeing Omar being into me, I think it's the best series to go and watch gaslights me.

No, you're right. You see what I mean? Now, she is all. Yeah, he's literally so always blaming me. I don't know what he's talking about. She's wrong half the time. That's just so incorrect. Maybe this is why.

No, you should watch it. I mean, oh, my God. We show therapy. Feel free to change. I mean, there is therapy that we got in the form of now for extended YouTube videos in Blood on the Clock Tower. For those who haven't experienced it, it's basically like a more complex version of mafia or werewolf where everyone has a specific role.

There are good players, there are evil players, and it's all about sussing out who's lying and who's telling the truth. I know that there will be a couple more additions that are coming out over the summer, as well as some of our favorite survivor players. Liana, what would you like to plug as we head into the offseason? Yes. Well, the Puyenliana Lounge is going strong. So check that out on the RHAP YouTube channel or the Puyenliana Lounge feed, Puyenliana.com to find that feed.

We talk about everything. And I'm sure especially with the Survivor 50 cast dropping, we're going to talk about that. So we do talk about reality TV. A big brother will be going on. I'm sure we'll discuss that as well over the summer. So, yeah, during the off season, we're still going to be there chatting about everything, reality TV and otherwise.

Yeah. And I'm sure that Puyo will Puyo wear the draft winning belt in every podcast or just most of them. I'm already annoyed. I'm so over it. Why don't you want to see him succeed? I know. I know I don't. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm happy for him.

I'm also in North. And he even said he's like, I'm going to be insufferable. And I'm like, yeah, you are. So more of that. Check out the Puyenliana. Oh, my goodness. Well, you could check out every. There we go.

Well, you could check out everything I'm doing. As I mentioned before, I got the chance to talk with all of the final five contestants. Lots of really great insights from all of them. Really appreciated them taking the time out of a very celebratory, but late night to wake up early and talk with this jamoke about everything that happened in their game, both the way that things concluded, what played into that final outcome, how they reflected back on both their game, their edit, the fan response, etc.

Really highly encourage Google to check that out over at Parade.com. But as was explicitly mentioned, we're going to get a Survivor 50 cast reveal on CBS Morning's Wednesday morning. I believe it is 8 a.m. Eastern, 530 a.m. Pacific. You better believe I'm doing a podcast about it. So I that's so early. We got a regular. You got to wake up pretty early on Survivor.

Get up with the sun and get up with a bunch of these sunny contestants as we are about to see them take part in this milestone. A season I'll be doing a podcast pretty much right after the cast drops, recapping everything we know about them, what our immediate thoughts are, what we're expecting in terms of possible, you know, rivalries and friendship. I am so incredibly excited to see. Again, this is something that we've never really done before as a Survivor fandom. You know, we had, I guess the closest thing would be during the Millennials versus Gen X reunion when Jeff's like, here are six cast members of the Survivor game

changers and just had them kind of walk out and wave. This is going to be a massive rollout of what surely will be a massive cast. And I am excited to bring the breaking news as soon as it breaks down and throughout the rest of this long, long off season until then. And of course, Saturday, there's a big birthday coming up for Survivor. It's current in the big two five, the 25th anniversary of Survivor coming out on May 31st. If you missed it, I am producing a podcast series in June and July where right now you can go to robhitswebsite.com slash top 25 and vote for your greatest 25 moments in Survivor history. We curated a list of 100 across every season of Survivor so far. You can pick up

to 25 and then we will collate all the results and I will count them down in a series over the next couple of months. So look it through. It's a fun little dance through Survivor history before we get into what the biggest and best moments are. I also have a bunch of stuff leading up to the anniversary itself, including I had a very fun chat with Matt Van Wagnan, who's one of the the executive producers of the show, where he got to produce his own line of toys in a manner of speaking. I asked him about who are his top 25 non-winning players, and he said, I'm going to come to you with more of an out of the box idea. He came up with an action figure line of survivor players where he said, the first wave, of course, is going to be

all winners. So who are going to be the people in the second wave? Who are going to be these non-winning players that played games that were notable enough and iconic enough to get action figures made about them. And then on May 31st, I will bring to you Jeff Probst's top 25 seasons of Survivor. So let your predictions be known. The man has spoken and we will see exactly what they will be in less than a week's time. And of course, plenty of other stuff as well. We've got Big Brother coming down the pike, as Liana says, other scripted and unscripted stuff happening.

You can check out everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type. And that's gonna do it for our season 48 coverage on the B&B. Liana and I are always so incredibly grateful for not only those who stop by, I get to come and engage in our general malarkey, but of course, everyone who follows along week after week, you know, sometimes even if the episodes are not of the most climactic quality, we'll always find reasons, Liana, to kind of just like, come on here, shoot the shit. Certainly, I think Error Grievances about what we might may not like, but largely focus on the random shit that we do. And it makes me incredibly grateful to be a Survivor fan,

especially during times where, again, the material on screen may not be the most savory. We've got a weird ass dish prepared for you at this veritable buffet. So I'm excited to hopefully have people take up another plate coming in the fall with Survivor 49. Exactly, our goal is to have fun. Okay, fun and games.

We're here for the fun, we're here for the games, we're here for the dangerous fun and the dangerous games. So, yeah, that's that's our M.O. And we're going to be bringing that in the fall for Survivor 49. Not to be forgotten with the Survivor 50 cast announcement. How can it be forgotten? We have to talk about the man, the myth, the legend, R.I.Z. God, Riz God, baby.

Not Riz God. We have to talk about God and the rest of the cast of 49. I got the chance to go out there on set to do preseason interviews, and it was a very fun time. So I'm really looking forward to people getting to know this cast as we get closer to the premiere day, probably in late September. Of course, I want to thank each and every person who came on to the podcast and engaged in Leon as aforementionedmentioned dangerous fun and dangerous games.

You've got Taryn Armstrong, Jessica Lease, Sasha Joseph, Mariano Ketch, Franny Marin, Josh Wiggler, Adam Chase from Jetlag, Pooja, Dwight Moore. We've got Maggie Morgan, Laura Gerard, Jordan Kalish, Chantel Francis, Amon Adwin. And last but certainly not least, Omer and his always incredible animal game. And of course, Scott St. Pierre,

the entire team behind the scenes at RHCP, and Rob Cesarino for packaging all this nonsense for your eyes and ears all season long, and welcome America, who will be singing this theme song with his dulcet tones one last time before we take a break for the summer. This has been such a great time, as always. Thank you all again so much for listening for the kind words about this show.

It truly does mean the world. Leon and I will be back in the fall covering Survivor 49 here on the R.H.A.P. B&B. Until then, everybody will check you out at your next day. Mike and Leona gotta play in some games Gotta pray to your mama that they're not super lame And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the names The R-H-A-M-A for free