RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 48 Pre-Game Day 7: Sai Hughley & Stephanie Berger

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Survivor 48 Pre-Game Day 7: Sai Hughley & Stephanie Berger Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) and Mike Bloom (@AMikeBloomType) are here to share with the listeners their reactions to the cast reveal of Survivor 48! Join us to learn a bit about the 18 new castaways to be tested on the islands of Fiji Survivor 48 premieres […]

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of this green tribe in Say and Stephanie. But as I always talk about, as I have talked about for the previous six days before this, if you missed any of our interviews, including with the other four members of Vula, you'll wanna check that out, because next thing that's going to happen in your feeds Monday morning is Rob Cesarino and I are going to break down this entire sex test, this six some to see how they're going to do as a tribe and as

competitors. Don't miss a second of it. Go to we know survivor dot com to subscribe to all of our Survivor podcasts and go to RobHeadsWebsite.com YouTube to check out individual video versions of each of the cast interviews First up today We have Sayounia Hughley, but you can call her Say because we're going to become very well acquainted with her over the course of my interview Suffice it to say, she has a lot going on. So, Say is 30 years old, originally from Philadelphia, but moved out west to Simi Valley, California. And she is a marketing professional. And actually, shortly before

going to the island, she had left her job working at NBC and in a manner of speaking, working for a rival network perhaps, albeit in a very different role. Really excited for you to check out this one. Here's my interview with Say. Name, your age and your occupation. Okay, name, Sayoni, Hughley, age 29, don't tell anyone. And then occupation, I just quit, but I used to work in marketing.

Interesting, okay, what did that involve? I worked in marketing at NBC, so I was responsible for paid media for NBC and Bravo shows, so I bought all of our like billboard ads, all of our audio ads, all of our ads that you see in like the print, so any magazines like TV Guide,

I know that's ancient, but Us Weekly, stuff like that. Okay, interesting, and so was it just mainly leaving it to play Survivor, or are you looking for a shift in anything? So I am very attached to people, and my boss was an African American woman, because representation is massive to me.

I love to see people in positions of power that look like me, because they can tell me where I can end up or All the places I can go and so when she stepped away It felt like I was the only African American woman on my team and then so it just was like This no longer makes sense for me. I had been there for a very long time Yeah, and I was very comfortable and I wasn't being challenged either. Yeah, and then This was happening too. So it was like perfect. This is a sign.

So did you always want to work in marketing? How'd you find your way into this incredibly creative role? This is a good question. So I studied journalism in college. I was a reporter at one point in time. Oh, nice. Yes. And I absolutely hated being on call. I thought only doctors were on call. So I was like, I like spending my time with my family on the holidays. I like having time off.

I don't like, it was depressing to be quite honest. But I knew I had a really good skillset. So I came out here with no plan, which is not like me, and took a risk of myself. And I started out as an assistant editor actually at NBC. Oh nice. They loved me so much that they found another role for me

because the pandemic had happened and much of that team got mixed. And then they were like, but you still have such good qualities. Like we'd love to put you here. And then I ended up where I was at. All right. And kicked ass.

Yeah, let's talk about you kicking ass and hopefully a brand new way here out on the island. So you said that, yeah, Survivor happened to come at a time where you were able to make this big transition, but what got her the transition in the first place? Why Survivor for you? I'm really in for the title. I like exclusivity.

Listen, a million dollars is nice, but. I like exclusivity and I like being one of a kind. It's a small, small winner circle, and that's where I like to belong. I also want girls who look like me, who come from the same background, to see all the places you can go. I'm from Philadelphia. That is quite literally concrete jungle out into what I consider a real jungle. It's like, it's really inspiring. And I know girls back home are going to be like, if she can do that,

I can definitely do that. So what's your history with watching the show? Have you always been watching it or are you a recent convert? This is a good question. I've always watched it sporadically. Okay. But when my grandma had passed away in college, I needed to fill my time even more. So I actually ended up watching it more intensely starting all the way from the beginning. I'm really good about like knowing what certain people do. I'm not fantastic about names. Unless you're actually really inspiring to me. Like Dreya, I will always remember her. Marianne, always gonna remember her.

It's sort of like, you know, there's a difference between like, there's a first name basis and a first and last name basis. But you know, it's just first name basis and no name basis. Yes, yes! That's exactly it. So, that's where my survivor journey started watching the show. So, on that note, let's talk about maybe some of those first names. Or you can describe them and I can fill in the blanks. Give me a winner and a non-winner who you identify with the most.

Let me start with winner. The winner I identify most with is Marianne for sure. I think that she gave me permission to not only be authentically myself, but also be weird. Like she was, there was times when I was watching her season, I was like, that's cringey. Like very, very cringey. But I'm like, I can now be cringey on the show because she did it. The road she paved for cringeyness on Survivor. Cringey, like when she was like, wheeling that machete around,

I was literally, please sit down. And like sometimes I was like, stop talking. But then I talk a lot too, but I refrain because I look at how people are looking at me or something. Marianne didn't give a shit. She was just gonna be her and look at where it took her. Like stop lying.

People I don't like that one. Yeah. Or people you like who didn't win. Who I, oh. But listen, if you have some top tips about winners, I'm gonna hear it, so. People I like who didn't win. I hate that they're on the same season, but Dreya.

I feel like she was definitely, she was, she ticked all the boxes. She was very well-rounded. She was not only kicked ass at things, she also had like all of the advantage anybody could ever want. She had like four at once. Literally had a pocketbook.

Like I've never heard of a pocketbook on the show. She stood for something which was really important. She talked about, lots of people who come to the show talk about how you bring your own lived experiences into the game. She was someone who was taking actual lived experiences and talking about it on the game. And not in a way that made you feel guilty.

It was like, I'm gonna address this issue because it's an issue, but also we're gonna move on because I don't want you to be able to say, oh, I just used this for gameplay. No, this is real life. We need to discuss it. That humanized moment was like, all right, I'm going to go in here and I'm going to kick ass. Yeah, absolutely. What's your favorite moment in survivor history? Was it that that double idol player? Are you thinking of something else? What's my favorite

moment? I'm so lame, but try. I want to I want her to see this and be like, this girl's obsessed with me. But the moment when she was in tribal counselor and they did that double idol play, although it wasn't like super sneaky or anything, it wasn't like out in your face flashy, it was very much, it is what it is. But it was the speech and the conversation that happened after that, that was very impactful. And like Marion didn't have to play her idol at all.

And she did it as a symbol of like, I stand with this too. I can appreciate that. No, I think it was a really impactful moment for everyone involved, obviously, because then you have like the Jonathan side of things, right? Who's like, I did not realize that this was a thing. And like that speaks power as well. And there's this idea of what's great about the new era and I think the social politics involved is that I do think it gives people more permission to be more open

Yeah about that or as opposed to maybe seasons prior It was something that had to be hidden and I'm so glad you said the Jonathan feast because when he's outright was like I'm not racist like that's not what I'm saying There's so many people who was watching the show that had that same thought right he actually brought It's like you're being real all of you real, you're putting the game aside for a second and just having a real ass conversation. Yeah. Yeah, I liked that. Yeah, it just speaks to I think the reality of this as well,

that like yes, you are in this fun mythical environment where you're trying to compete for a million dollars and cut throats are all along the way, but there are also like living, breathing people that will hopefully have things to take away from this in a positive direction. And I think that worked in so many different ways in that moment.

100%, 100%. 100%. So let's talk about your life here. What's one life experience you feel has prepared you most for what you're about to jump into? I feel like I hate to say this because it's so lame. Is it Drea? Stop talking about that. Oh, okay.

Everything. Like as a black woman in America, resilience is pretty much my middle name. And I think that I'm gonna surprise some people because I'm from the city, they're gonna be like, what is the city girl doing out in the jungle? Like, she doesn't know what she's doing. And I admittedly, I'm actually not Dora the Explorer and I do not make fire and I am not married to Tarzan.

I'm very aware of those things, but my strengths is like, I can put up with anything. This is not the hardest thing I've ever done. It will push me to my limits, but I'm sure I've faced harder. So on that note, when it comes to prep for this, once you find out you're going, what was that process like?

Well, lucky for me, I didn't have work, so I was swimming every single day. Wow. Yes, literally. And then I was on my patio making fire. I actually had the fire department call on me once. But it was fun. It was totally fun.

I was like, I didn't actually start a fire. It was just me actually trying to make a fire. What was the story for the fire department? Somebody was like, it smells really smoky, but they didn't see flames. Yeah. OK, sure, whatever. Don't call me out on it.

I was trying to make a fire. I also went and tried a bunch of different brain puzzles because I can do regular puzzles But you know things like Sudoku are important brain health What other things did I do? I did so much I also did hikes, but with a weighted vest because I live in California, so that's really easy for me to do I worked out twice a day. I normally only do once a day I'm just really trying to prepare myself mentally physically and emotionally. I do wish I worked out twice a day. I normally only do once a day. I'm just really trying to prepare myself mentally, physically, and emotionally. I do wish I did more emotional things. Talk to me about that. What examples would that be? That would be therapy. I think

that's important and it's not something that in the black community specifically therapy is kind of like taboo. I don't need that. We don't need that. You're fine. Just walk it off pretty much. But I wish I had had discussions surrounding my grandma to help me grieve, I'm gonna grieve her in a different way on this show, but I think if I had more conversations about what had happened to me

and not bringing all that baggage into the show, that would have been helpful. Some therapy or a mindfulness retreat, I'm being honest with myself. I feel like sometimes I can get really busybody and learning how to be still in the moments that you should be still is important, especially in a game like this

where you need to find those pockets or those moments where you need to ground yourself. I'm gonna struggle with grounding myself, I can feel. Well, I'm so sorry to hear about your grandmother. I mean, I certainly have had people come out here and find moments to like have that have that release moment So yes, there there might be that mindfulness aspect that you were able you wish you capitalized on but like there there is also A weird different mindfulness retreat aspect this as well

I mean you see so many times how much people are transformed and are able to Reconcile a lot of thoughts out here. You've got nothing but time Yeah, but I'm also very aware that this is not a therapy retreat, you know what I mean? So there's a time and a place, and it's a vulnerability for me. I gotta decide how vulnerable I'm willing to be with these people, you know?

Or if I, I could find my person on this show. I could quite literally find my number one who's actually my number one, and I'm not gonna pull a Maria on my chart. Like that was too much for me. I will never let that go. I Was literally in my kitchen like no she did not just do that Like when Jeff asked that question was like no she did not not right it raise her hand. No way she did that Alright, so give me your biggest superpower and your biggest piece of kryptonite from your life from your personality That you think you're going to bring into the game.

I can start with kryptonite. Please. Because I'm very well aware of my weaknesses. It's definitely emotion. I can be very reactive and sometimes emotion is good. I'm not saying that, but there's a time and a place when you need to, even though somebody might do something terrible to me, I can't necessarily vote them off the next vote. There's a time and a place when you need to, even though somebody might, like, what's it called, like do something terrible to me, I can't necessarily vote them off the next

vote. I might need to use them for however long, but also showing my expressions, I need to be well aware of how I'm coming off, you know? I might not be able to say what's on my mind in that moment, but that's me in my everyday life. I literally say everything that's on my, like whatever's here is gonna come out of here. Yeah. My biggest strength, what's the other one?

Your superpower. Superpower. Could be strength if you want. Superpower. I think my biggest superpower is making awkward interactions more fun, like lighthearted. Okay. I can make anybody laugh, I feel like.

Yeah. Even if it's with sarcasm or not sarcasm, if I'm in an awkward situation, I will find a joke to make. And it'll be universal for everybody. And it'll lighten up the mood. Yeah, and listen, those first few days especially, there's gonna be a lot of getting to know yous and you're that icebreaker.

Mm-hmm. How do you think you're gonna be perceived out there besides the person that's gonna warm up the awkward conversations? This is a good one. I think naturally, because we come in with unbiases, unconscious biases all the time, if you look at me and we're not engaging,

I can come, I have a resting bitch face and I look very like aggressive sometimes and I have to be aware. So some people might be like, she's hard. Like, I don't know if I'm gonna talk to her. Unless I do the thing where I'm like overcompensating, I'm like, smiling at you every second, but that will be hard for me to,

especially since we haven't been talking. It'll be hard for me to break that barrier because I might already be in a hole with these people that I'm trying to climb my way out of even though they haven't spoken to me not once. Well, you're talking about these sort of nonverbal commands. I'm sure you have your own thoughts about these people that you've been sitting around with.

So let's start on the positive side of things. Give me, describe to me I should say, some people that for you, great vibes, best case scenario, we hit the beach day one, this is my ride or die, this is my person. Oh yeah. There's actually somebody who surprised me a little bit. It's a gentleman. He has the mohawk curly black hair, very vibey, not too tall, not too short, not super buff, but you can tell he works out. He looks like he owns a surf shack. I like him because I feel like he is like, he does multiple different things. He's not mysterious in the sense of like, I know he's an artist or I can come to definitive like answers about who he is. But it's also the fact that I feel

like if he's in a room with a group of people, he can get along with every single person and not try too hard. That's what I like I don't like people who are forcing a connection. I feel like we would just vibe just a vibe. Mm-hmm And on the negative I'm assuming, yes please. This is my favorite part because I'm very judgmental I hate to be that girl who's like I get more I get along better with men, but I'm about to be that girl I get along better with men, but I'm about to be that girl. I get along better with men. So the women attention seeking is not my thing. I like people who speak when they have something impactful to say.

That's why I'm attracted to Dreya. She didn't speak much, but when she did, she had something that was actually gonna change the game. So there's a few here. I'm gonna describe them. One always wears her hair pulled back and she could surprise me. I don't know. But she's a few here. I'm going to describe them. One always wears her hair pulled back. She could surprise me. I don't know.

But she's always doing something whether it's like the over the top yawn or the I gotta stand up and work on the circle for a few minutes or I gotta spritz some perfume on me even though you're going to sweat it off in like the next five minutes. And then there's the other girl who's she's also artsy but she wants you to know she's artsy. She has blonde hair. She paints whenever she gets a chance. Listen, my mom and my sister are both kick ass artists.

They both can draw. I'm the only one that Jean skipped over. So I know what it's like to be around true artists. I don't want to say she's not a true artist, but artists who are like, who have humility. Like they paint and they don't make a big to do about it, they don't go across the room and get drinking water to dip their paintbrush in.

I was like, no she didn't, that's literally what she did. Oh, she's actually making art at Conneryza. Like yeah, cool for you, love that for you. I thought you were just making like, I know what you do for a living. No, I'm like, what are you doing? So that's a biggie for me. But she's looking for the round of applause

of like, how amazing is this moment? Like truly, if you were just in your artistry, I feel like you would be like, I wanna have this moment for me. This is something for me. I don't have to actually walk around once it's finished and act like I didn't mean to show it to y'all.

And when we acknowledged that we saw it, oh, stop, stop, stop, stop. It's a performative quality, right? It is. I hate performative qualities. Like you don't just be you. When it's time to be still, be still. When you want to talk, talk.

I'm fine with that. So what are you looking for in, again, your person in an alliance member? Is there like a core tenant you look for? There's a few different things. Okay, give me the list. I came out here to do something different, so I want to be exposed to different. I don't typically hang out with the nerds, So I would love to have somebody who's nerdy. I don't typically hang out with the people who are like Hank like well, I don't even know what they say, but like when they do that thing

I like I want to hang out with you want to learn what they say when they do I want her waxed your board I want to be exposed to different types of people who don't think like I do if I wanted to do that I'd stay back home and only hang out with people I know. I also would like somebody who's extremely buff, but I want somebody who looks like a meathead, but actually has a brain cell. Interesting. I want to be surprised because I feel like this misconception of like somebody who's super bulky, looks like they take like eight eggs in the morning, drinks three protein shakes,

but doesn't have a single thought in their head besides when's my next protein shake. And I think I'll find someone like that. Those are some qualities. I want somebody to surprise me. I'm gonna surprise them. Well, something else that might be in your inventory besides allies would be idols, advantages, journeys.

Obviously such a big part of the new era. How much are you gonna incorporate that in your game? Well, you know who I love, Dre and Marion. I was gonna say. I was going to say. Oh, I need to find I need to build my survivor fanny pack. OK, I need to have all of the things, get all of the idols, all of the advantages, all of the moments with all of the people and have all these people in my back pocket.

I want it all. I want to be survivor rich, which sounds so and even I'm getting high just talking about it, actually. But that is what excites me. Mm hmm. But I don't want people all. I want to be survivor rich, which sounds so, and even, I'm getting high just talking about it actually. But that is what excites me. But I don't want people to know about it. I'm not very showy. I'm going to keep it to myself.

I read something that you wrote in your bio about getting hit while walking across the street. Well, in college, you got to tell me the story. You talk about resilience. Like I didn't realize it was that literal. I got, sometimes I forget what I put in there. But it's every college kid's dream. Literally orientation, we had an orientation about like, cause I was in the city, being

aware of public transit. It was my, it had to be junior or senior year and I was crossing the street listening to my iPod, very aware, and a public transit bus had hit me. And I was so like, I guess it was adrenaline that I didn't really realize that I had just popped right back up and I was about to walk off but he was like no no no no and called the ambulance and everything got a nice payout from it but I was like look at me got to take off an extra week for finals like I didn't have to do it right away I actually got to buy I bought

my first car with the money, like everything. That feels ironic. I know, I know. Like it just feels a little odd to do. I was like, public transit got me my first car. Yeah, so that was exciting. Watching back, I'm sure the last couple of seasons, especially knowing you were gonna be on, you probably had an eye on 45, 46, looking for some takeaways to bring it to your own game.

What would some of those takeaways be? Playing the middle man when it's important. I think Charlie did a fantastic job at that. Like, he knew that he was locked in with Maria, but that moment when they talked about like, me and Charlie, I think Maria's the one who said it though, me and Charlie made this pact that we wouldn't take one another on rewards.

Yes, yes. And I never thought about that. My thing, going into the game originally, I was like, you gotta confirm, reaffirm your number one that we're still locked in and take them to the reward when you go. So being a middle man, but also standing firm in my alliance

and not being paranoid, like I think they did a fantastic job of that. And I'm a control freak. So that's gonna be really hard for me. Like if my number one goes on a reward and doesn't take me, it's gonna take me a second to be like, wait, wait, wait, we had a pack, we had a pack, we had a pack.

Yeah. Just remind yourself. Yeah. But that's something I can implement into my game, I think. What is your hottest survivor take? What's your most controversial opinion about a player or a season or the show in general? Hottest take, most control.

Mm-mm. Malcolm was a little overrated. OK, interesting. I hate that I said that, because he was good at challenges. Yeah. But I think, what else did you bring to the table? I never, I can't think of a single thing that Malcolm said that I was like,

hmm, that was really insightful. You're not a fan of the three amigos, the idle play? No, no. I think he was actually pretty basic aside from the fact that he was hot and he was fit. I just cannot remember a single thing he did. I'm gonna throw an odd scenario out by you. If you could bring a celebrity or a fictional character out for a loved one's visit to visit you on the island as a loved one, who would it be and why? Gabrielle Union. Because I think she's just as resilient. She's always in the tabloids because of her relationship.

And she was cheated on and all those things. And she could have done the thing that most people do is get a divorce. But strong women inspire me. And I think there's more to the story. And I would just love for her in my lowest moment to come out here and be like, go kick butt or like this is what you have to do. I feel like she'd be really insightful. And that's the former journalist in YouTube saying I want to get some answers from her.

That is the- I need to get to the bottom of what happened. She was so right. That's gonna show up in the game too. I'm gonna be a little too newsy for my own- nosey, sorry. No-no-no-sie to make newsy. I really am. I'm gonna be in everybody's business. But I'm gonna have to learn how, when it's appropriate.

Yeah. Is that even a word in Survivor, when it's appropriate? I mean, that's the thing is that, you know, it's a 26 day game especially, like the appropriate window. But like you said, you're great at making awkward situations into something that's pleasant. And as a survivor, it's full of awkward situations. If somebody walks up on me and my number one,

talking about getting them out, I'm not gonna freeze up. That's the worst thing you could do is be like, oh, what are you talking about? Oh, nothing. I'm gonna be like, oh, we were just talking about the Eagles. We have no idea how they're doing in the game. Yeah, I mean, you're doing what Tiffany and Q were doing with Kenzie, right?

What are y'all talking about? That was so, I literally brought up that moment. I thought it was so funny. Q, I'm obsessed with him, actually, because he's so chaotic. I would hate to play with him, but I do love to watch him. Absolutely. Last thing I'm gonna with him actually because he's so chaotic. I would hate to play with him, but I do love to watch him. Absolutely.

Last thing I want to ask is that, Survivor 50 of course, on the horizon, we know it's returnees. How are you going to make your mark on 48 so that we're going to be talking a year out from now back in Fiji? I think people are going to be surprised that everything that I can do

and everything that I was willing to do and the risk that I'm out here to, that I'm, ooh, my God, that I'm willing to take. I just glitched in real time. Did you see that? It's fine. Yeah, a little bit. The malfunction of the matrix.

I don't really know. They're gonna see me malfunction. But that is exciting to people. I think if you see people who play hard, like I'm gonna play like this is my first and last time. Not with the impression of I'm gonna make it to 50, but this is my last chance to play survivor Yeah, if I go in with that mentality, I think I'll take bigger swings not me using a marketing term. I hate

Oh say can you see we have quite a contestant on our hands very fun time talking with say talking about her incredibly unique life and perspective on the game and certainly giving me even more pause when I step out onto a street in the city for fear of a bus coming through. We'll Sei have a pledge of allegiance to this next person, our final member of Vula. we'll find out after this. Alright, we have reached the last interview that I did with the VulaTri members out in Fiji, and it is a big one. I am talking with Stephanie Berger.

Stephanie is 38 years old, grew up in New York City, said in her one minute cast video actually that she grew up in Midtown specifically, but moved a little bit south, both down south and then came back up where she currently resides in Brooklyn, New York. And she's currently a tech product lead for an e-commerce company.

Take a listen to my interview with her and see if when it comes to shopping for winner picks, you wanna click Add to Cart. How are you doing right now? I'm great. Amazing. Tell me your name, your age, and your occupation. Sure, I'm Stephanie Berger, I'm 37 years old,

and I am a technical product manager, so I lead product teams at a e-commerce company. Interesting, is that something you've kind of been working your way up the corporate ladder to get there? Good question. No, so I started out my career doing something totally different. I was a public school teacher.

I taught as part of the Teach for America program. I moved to New Orleans in 2008. Most people teach for two years. I stuck around and taught for eight years. Wow. Yeah. teach for two years. I stuck around and taught for eight years. Wow! Yeah. It was really cool. It was awesome and it was a really fantastic challenge. But at some point realized that I needed to make more than like $56,000 a year and decided to go to business school. So I went to the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth in 2016 and then was

recruited to the company I worked for after that. So I've worked my way up the corporate ladder a little bit. Been lucky enough to be promoted, had new opportunities, but it certainly was not what I started doing out of college. Yeah, well and that's all about making transitions, changes, going with, to your point, your own volition, right?

This isn't something I have in my mind. I'm gonna get it done. It feels very transferable to the game of Survivor. Very transferable to the game of Survivor. And I mean, very transferable to just getting on Survivor, right, to say, like, wait a second, here's a dream of mine, here's a goal. It is wildly ambitious, and there's going to be lots of people

who say that it can't be done, or that, like, maybe even the doing of it is not worth my time or worthwhile and just going and doing it anyways, which is very much my style. Well, let's talk about what got you here in the first place to your point about having this dream that you wanna pursue.

How did this end up happening? What made you decide to go from a fan to somebody that wanted to play the game? I mean, so I started watching Survivor during the pandemic, like a lot of people. I was a Survivor, like, OG watcher. Like, I watched with my parents on the couch the same way that people watched, you know, like there were like 55 million people watching whatever that year. Yeah, for the finale of the season one.

Yeah, exactly. I saw like Richard Hatch's whole ass on television or whatever it was. Like, I remember that pretty vividly. I must've been 13-ish. But I came back to Survivor in the pandemic. I had just made it through all of Love Island UK. And once you've conquered something that has 55 episodes a season, something with only 40 seasons, you're like, oh, the 13 episodes.

Like I could do that. It's a very good comparison. You're like, all right, 13 episodes, like I could do that. It's a very good comparison. You're like, all right, sure. So I jumped in, you know, friends have been recommending it for a long time. I jumped in and was absolutely hooked, right? Made it through, I think I started with

what is proverbially known as Survivor Race Wars. Cook Island, yeah. Fantastic season, really fun winter. Went down to season seven. Kind of followed the online guides that told me what seasons I should watch. And then, like I normally do, forged a bit of my own path. Was like, okay, sure.

Like, Amazon's not supposed to be that good. I'm gonna watch it anyways. Like, whatever. There we go, yeah. I love this idea of, were you watching being like, all right, when's the heartbeat challenge? When do we get to fight each other in the face? Oh my God, stop it.

Can you imagine if they made us do a heartbeat challenge on Survivor? I mean, I think- CBS would not like that. That would not go out. I think the old era Survivor, maybe. Like you talk about Amazon, they would 100% do it on Amazon.

I think Amazon did do it, actually. I'm pretty, let's roll back the tapes, right? percent do it on Amazon. I think Amazon did do it, actually. Let's roll back the tapes. Yeah, I mean, what did they do on Love Island where they read you your tweets about you? Obviously, we can't do that here, but that would be really entertaining, right? Making Q know what the world was saying about him

while he was Q-skirting. I think, honestly, it would have only egged him on more. But not going to stop. Or maybe But like, that kind of stuff. Or maybe something like, we'll read Jeff's pre-season analysis of you while you're on the island. Or like Jeff's casting notes. Yes, exactly.

Oh, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait. We've actually got this. We're onto something. They read aloud a Jeff casting note and then we have to guess on those old, do you remember those old school whiteboard challenges where you had to be like, everybody says that like so and so eats all the food.

Do you remember those? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like where you would have to guess who said it. I might suggest that then. That's a low key brilliant idea. I feel like if you're really trying to get everybody to go back to camp fucking furious at each other, that might be the move.

And actually, we always are gonna get asked like our hot takes, our mild takes, whatever. I will say like I do have a take here, which is I miss those challenges where people had to kinda talk shit. Yeah, touchy subjects is what it's called, yeah. Oh, you have the name for it. I was using a more colloquial term.

No, I mean listen, you described it, yeah. The whiteboard challenge, we love it. Well, let's go to the whiteboard of survivor players here because if you could give me- Fantastic transition, by the way. Oh, thank you. it, yeah. The whiteboard challenge, we love it. Well, let's go to the whiteboard of survivor players here because if you could give me- Fantastic transition by the way, that was beautiful. Thank you. I'll vote for you to win a million dollars now. Flattery will get you everywhere.

If you could give me one winner and one non-winner. I hate this question. Can I start there? All right, please. I can't stand this question. First of all, who chooses to identify with non-winners? You know? I'm fully plagued there. I'm fully plagued. First of all, who chooses to identify with non-winners? You know?

I'm fully plagued there. I'm fully plagued. I don't even envision myself as number one, nothing else. I'm so sorry. That was awful. No, I love it. I really don't. And I'm like, as a white woman, it sounds really obnoxious for me to say this because there's been just a plethora

of us that have participated, but I actually don't feel like there's been somebody quite like me who has played the game. And so I'm genuinely excited to like kind of forge my own path, but there's certainly winners that I look at that I really like love and admire. I mean, I look at someone like Tyson who was able to be so genuinely threatening, right? Like a, like a competitive cyclist. And I spent a little bit of time learning about competitive cycling before coming out to Survivor. I certainly am not a competitive cyclist, but conceptually what I learned about how it works, right, is like that you're, you're in a line and you don't wanna be the person pushing to the front

because if you push to the front, then it pushes everybody else to push to the front. So it's this game, but he was so good at this thing where he does this like, I'm not going to be clearly the threat when he's obviously the biggest threat in his season. And he's able to hold together a really powerful alliance

his whole season, really strategically. I appreciate that. Obviously we love his humor. We like, I always stand a blonde, but that I think when I look back on what he was able to do and to do it in a way where he also couldn't stand a lot of people, but they always thought thought he liked them and that's a real Chef's kiss sort of a thing. I love

Jam-jams strategy and humor and the ways that he's able to kind of take those two things and pull them together Yeah, I like was recently rewatching San Juan del Sur and like Natalie Anderson clapping back at that dude during a challenge I live for. John Rocker, yeah. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for remembering because I remember her but not him. She just like snaps at this dude and is like, come and hit me.

And that's like, man, there's just like not a lot of women on television who are heroes who are saying to somebody like, don't play with me, I will take on whatever you wanna give me. So I really admire and appreciate that. You asked a full question though, so I'm gonna show you. No, no, no, it's fine, we got a winner, we got a non-winner taking care of it.

Okay. You know, Tyson didn't win at some point, so. Unless there's another non-winner that you wanna bring up. No, we'll let that one sit. Well, I wanna sit with that though, cause I saw something that you wrote in your bio that was a little like Cass-esque about, to that point,

about like how you felt women couldn't play like a Tony game, like a Boston Rob game, right? That there is something about someone who is alpha in that regard and who is a woman would get targeted early. Talk to me a bit more about that. How's that incorporated into your own game? Yeah, I mean, I, people who work with me,

people who are on my team at work would certainly say that I'm an alpha, right? Like, and that I'm very deliberate, I'm very intentional, they know what I want, I have exactly high standards, right? And I know from my own professional experience that I can't just show up that way. And part of the reason I know that is

because I have, right? Like I have, I've come into a classroom with ruthlessly high standards and no sense of fun, right? Like I know that when you do that, what ultimately stirs up is like, is discontent and that people don't do their best or they don't show up as their best and they don't like you or they don't, going to vote for you at the end when you show up that way.

And so it's a real balance and I have never lived in anybody besides the one that I am in. So I don't, I can't deign to know what it's like to be a man, but I see men who are able to, and I talk to the men I work with who will openly acknowledge, they're like, I can say something and people don't have an attitude about it. And when a woman says it or you say it, people have an attitude about it. And so I've already learned in my life, like there is a way of being an alpha

that also involves warmth and humor and like an overload of empathy, right? That is probably not present in a Boston Rob game where he's making everybody sit around silently and forcing them to not interact with each other. And let's, Tony, I get the sense and it's not super captured on screen. Although I think about like Tony and Jeremy doing that

like how many days are in a week game or whatever. But like I get the sense that he's got, and actually I don't know either of these men. I'm sure both of them are like remarkably warm and loving individuals. But the boss and Rob we saw in the season that he won was like very, and in some seasons that he didn't win, was very exacting and demanding with folks. And Tony can get away with like making llama noises at somebody. Yeah. And people still want to vote for him at the end. I just don't think as a woman that we've come as a society far enough where I can bleat at someone like a llama and that I will still win the hearts and minds of the jury.

I don't think we're quite there yet, even if I want, and that's acknowledging the fact that sometimes you do wanna be mad, but I still think you can. What is your favorite moment in Survivor history? My most picky-une favorite moment is Parvati Shalo, direct to camera, I think probably her like first onscreen interview showing up for a segregated season of Survivor and saying, is this kosher?

Yes, one of the best opening confessals in Survivor history. That is camp. It is so good. It might be one of the first in the season too. It is, it is, it is, It's certainly early and you just immediately think to yourself, you have more charm and reality TV star prowess in those three words than some people get

in a whole season, right? That I just, I live for. Is this kosher? I use it in my regular life. Probably a little bit differently applicable in your real life, where you're just going to a restaurant, like, was this kosher? No, well, no, no, no.

Well, I use it in non, in non. Oh, gotcha. In slightly less relevant settings. Yes, yes, you've clocked me as being Jewish. But I will use it in a scenario where it's more like, we're doing something, but is this kosher? Is it a kosher for us to go into the restaurant before everybody else?

What do we think? It's just, it's too good. What is one life experience you feel has most prepared you for this? Because you talk about Teach for America, you talk about working your way through the business world. There's a lot to pull from it seems. Yeah.

I think, I'm gonna give you a combo answer here. Please, yeah. But honestly, I've never been fully qualified for any of the things I've ever done. Right? I was the assistant manager at a boutique

when I was in college, just cause I was there. I was a public school teacher at 22 and had gone through several weeks of training and they tried really hard to train us. And I tried really hard to be good, right? But still, I'm not sure that I would trust a 22 year old to do a ton and I'm sure I'm competing against at least one of them out here, so maybe no knocks on 22 year olds.

It's fine. And I showed up to business school having literally zero clue what I was doing. I didn't know anything about a profit and loss statement. I didn't know anything about a supply curve and a demand curve. I didn't know like you know all I knew about like working in retail was clicking the buy button on a website right and then I went to work as an intern at a big e-commerce company and all I knew was like

they were going to pay me half of my teacher's salary to work 12 weeks for the summer, and I thought to myself, well, I could stand on my head for 12 weeks if that's what they need me to do, right? I don't care what project they give me, and like, if I'm not good, joke's on them. But I'm willing to take a risk on myself, and I'm willing to do something that I,

that lots of people are gonna say, you probably shouldn't do stuff. And I'm gonna just say like, ah, I'm gonna see how it goes. Cause I trust myself. And because I've got the kind of confidence you get by just putting yourself in the arena over and over again, and getting knocked down a few times.

I've been fired from jobs. I've gotten terrible feedback from people who've worked for me. I've, you know, like had projects that I launched, ultimately not succeed and have to be, you know, turned off or rolled back. Like I've had the experience of not being successful. Yeah.

And so, and I'm still here. Exactly. You're still breathing, the heart's still beating. I'm still here, I'm still here. Exactly. You're still breathing, the heart's still beating. I'm still here, I'm still able. And it's the combination of those experiences that is, I think, part of why I get to be on a beach in Fiji. And so, whatever this experience gives me, I'm gonna take it and I'm gonna do something else really cool with it too.

What would you say is your biggest superpower and your biggest piece of kryptonite when it comes to this game? They're the same darn thing man. So I wrote myself a five and a half page manifesto before coming out here and my computer fully blue screen of death on me like literally the day that we flew out so like no one was supposed to you're not really supposed to bring your computer. Are you gonna say that at the final tribal council? Like, oh I need a new computer. Can you give me the money? Thankfully it's my work computer. They'll repair it. Sorry, sorry guys.

But I wrote my manifesto and the first sort of like guiding principle of it is balance, right? The reason that all of us are going to be excellent survivor players is also most likely the reason we're going to be like, it's going to be hard for us to win, right? That's the magic of Survivor is that it's the ambition and cunning and strategy and likeability and outgoingness and like, you know, desire for a million dollars that everybody has. And it's all those things are why you're gonna be

so good at this. And they are also like your biggest risk. Because people will see those things in you that you can't just like, I can't take those parts of my personality and leave them at Ponderosa and not bring them with me to the beach, right? They're gonna come no matter what and it's how people interact with those things that will ultimately decide what happens out here. So I think like everything that makes me,

I think that's gonna make me a good survivor player out here, I think is also the thing that's gonna be challenging for me out here. I will also add to that, like I'm not I will probably not I'm actually we're gonna take the probably out. I'm not the strongest person out here right. I can like go to CrossFit before coming out here like you know a couple times a week but like that's not that doesn't like I think we've got some like legitimate college athletes like who are who like graduated college like two weeks ago who are here currently, you know, like really genuinely, genuinely very fit people. So I'm not going to be the strongest person out here and I'm going to have to maneuver around being probably

not the best at challenges and hope prayers that I can hold my own, and that I can do myself proud in those circumstances. But that seems hard. I mean, you're someone who works in a natural leadership position. Is that gonna be something you're gonna try to tamp down here? Because I feel like leadership always comes with a double-edged sword. What do you mean?

I think that the most important thing I could do is show up on day one and start telling everybody how to do things. Exactly, that's a green flag. I think everybody on my beach is going to be really grateful For the guidance yeah and leadership that I know of course I'm not coming out here and fucking hitting them with us No, I'm gonna have to sit on my hands. I'm gonna literally have to sit on my hands and and like holds back and allow other people to be in charge, which transparently sounds really nice.

That's true. There's something about, I think part of my journey being here will be about letting go of control and being comfortable with being really vulnerable in a massive setting. And the fact is, is I can't control what the pictures they took of me today look like or what my first interview is gonna sound like or even if it all is absolutely perfect how people are gonna perceive me right now I can't control even right now how the people sitting in the tent with me waiting to come talk to you are perceiving me they might be like

she looks really fun or they might be like, she looks really fun, or they might be like, she looks like a nightmare and I cannot wait to get rid of her. And so letting go of control in all ways, I think is important and certainly like not taking the lead unless I have to. I desperately do not want to play Dee's game, right? Like, if that winds up being where I find myself,

I think I'm adaptable enough to realize that that's what's happening and then play it the right way. But oh man, that's a hard, being the kingpin for a whole season, or for much of a season, that's a really hard job to play, right? Like, cause people are gonna come for your throne all season long. And she managed to do it without people coming

for her throne, which is truly the magic. But I don't know, that seems really challenging. Well, let's talk about some of those people over on those chairs. I'm sure you've got some assessments. Well let's talk about some of those people over on those chairs. I'm sure you've got some assessments. So let's start with the positive here. Who are some people that for you, best case scenario, you hit the beach day one,

this is a ride or die. I'm sitting next to a guy and every time I look over at his iPod, because we're only allowed to have old school iPods here, his iPod is playing the same music as mine. Like that's gotta be my guy, right? Like he's bumping the new Charlie XCX album also. He's playing, I'm playing cowboy Carter. He's playing cowboy Carter. Like we're clearly listening to the

same stuff. There's something really nice about like knowing we're on, we, we at a bare minimum could go to the dance floor together, right? And like, well, you know, it's a, you could take a dance partner and turn them into a, into a alliance partner too. Yeah. What do they look like? He's got a mustache and he's like got fair colored hair.

Okay. I would say, yeah. There's a guy with glasses who keeps asking me, I'm one of the only folks who I think who brought a watch out here, note to future Survivor players bring a like shitty watch to Ponderosa. It's a good idea. That way you can know just how slowly time is moving. And he's asked me the time a couple times and there's just like a kind energy about him. And I think when you're looking around I'm not looking for folks who are feeling like gunners, you know?

Yeah, I'm looking for folks who are feeling like they want to work together, right? Because ultimately I think that that's at least where we start, right? Who do we want to work with? Exactly. Now let's move to the opposite side. Are there some people in mind that you do not wanna work with? Look, the Saree Field's tenets for emotional intelligence are, you don't cut anybody out, right?

Like, she's never gonna tell you that you should be like, oh, I'm not gonna work with that person. Right. But there are some people who are like less smiley less warm Seem like super focused And I wonder how that's gonna play out in the game, right? You you got somebody who's Jumped in the front of the food line

right Are they are they gonna be like that on the beach? Or is that the, the mask that they've, right? We're all, we are all wearing masks right now. It is Mardi Gras in there, right? It's there, everyone's wearing a mask. Everyone's in a costume, but it's a peculiar choice to me for the costume to be like right after we get to the airport to sit down with your notebook and immediately start scribbling

about whoever you just like I'm taking notes, but they're in my head and I'm writing them in my notebook in my 10 when I get home Right like at the end of the day. I'm not trying to do it in front of everybody. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense What would you say is your biggest takeaway from the past two seasons in particular of survivor? I mean you mentioned D you mentioned Q It does feel like the past two seasons feel so different. And I'm sure it's something that you're, as someone who is looking to play the game,

you're like, mm, gonna do that, not gonna do that. My biggest takeaway, I mean, I'm sure everybody said this, but play your idol. Play your idol, get that thing out. Get that thing out, right? There is something happening idol, get that thing out, get that thing out, right? Like, like there is, there is something happening where people are not accurately assessing the threat level against them. And they're attached to the idol for some reason.

And I think it's a bad, that's it. I think it's a bad take. I think you gotta, you gotta get that thing off you as soon as you can. And you gotta play it in a way that is unconventional. But playing it in a way that is, playing it in a way where you play it for yourself is not the right, is no longer the best way to do it because all it does is make you the target and the next tribal. But yeah, you can't watch people go out four in a row

with idols without thinking to yourself, hmm, well first of all, is production gonna do something about that? And then second of all, what could we learn from this and potentially do differently? When it comes to, you mentioned before, hot takes, controversial opinions, any other ones you want to bring up?

I mean, I think all advantages at this point are disadvantages. Interesting. So are you someone that if you see Beware, you're gonna pass it by? Not for me. Not for me. Not going in the cart? No, not an add to cart.

No, not for me. I think what, look, I think B-Wares are super fun to watch on television, right? I loved seeing Tiffany scramble. I loved seeing Hunter with his little hands underneath the stairs, trying to like pull that thing out from underneath, like those things, those are memorable, exciting television moments.

Neither of those people won. And I think there is pretty good data. And I did a lot of like, you know, Billy Beaning on the side. I have a good friend of mine who helped me put together a lot of analysis on Survivor. Oh yeah, Survivor Saber Metrics, I love that. Yeah, we did a lot of Survivor Saber Metrics.

And one of the, we like looked at a bunch of different questions. Is it better or worse to have a final jury that is full of your old tribe mates or not? When and what are the, we did like a full, oh my God, what is it called? I'm totally blanking on the name. It's where you run something, Monte Carlo.

We did like a Monte Carlo analysis of how and when you should play your shot in the dark or not. Right? Like, we really looked at some of these, like, data points, and ultimately, I don't know. Maybe my medium take is, like, Shot in the Dark actually has a slightly higher Good Guy percentage to me, and idols have a slightly worse Good Guy percentage to me.

They're less useful. Uh-huh. Whereas a Shot in the Dark actually could, in the right scenario, when there's a lot of players in the game and you're relatively confident that their vote's coming at you, it's not a bad idea to use. So I don't know, advantages or a disadvantage.

And I'm like really not interested in them. And if you look at the winners in the last six seasons, and I don't, it's unfortunate, I don't have like a fortune cookie that tells me what happened in season 47, but I know it's already happened. But if you look at the winners, right, there were only two with idols.

I think- Mary Ann. Mary Ann had one. And I guess like, technically- It was a communal idol, yeah. She had like a shared idol, right? And neither of them played them in conventional ways. Mary Ann, I guess had technically shared idol, right? And neither of them played them in conventional ways. Marianne, I guess had technically two idols, right?

She plays the one with Dreya. With Dreya, and then she plays her idol at final. I don't know, I think the data suggests it's not always gonna behoove you, but boy is it good TV. I know, don't tell anyone in production that I'm not interested in it.

They're gonna litter my walk with them. They're gonna be like, what about that coconut stuff? What about that one? Hey, have you checked this cheat? Also, literally, my joke is that I'm gonna say all this stuff in pregame, and then I know I'm gonna do different shit. But that's the fun of this. I'm gonna get out there and be like,

but I wanna look for one. Everybody else has one. This time last year, I was talking with Tiffany and she's like, I don't know how people don't shut the fuck up. And then she immediately goes to tell Tenzin and Q that she found an idol. Don't worry, I know that because I'm like a little bit fangirling right now.

I play in a very competitive fantasy league with my work colleagues. And I listened to like 18 and a half or 22 hours of pregame press and it is how I pick my winner pick. Oh my god. It's how I figure out my draft. It is like very important so like I'm in like a oh my god I want to do it really badly like a Mike Bloom like a Rob Sesternino voice right now like I am my heart I'm very excited to be here if I have not said that clearly enough. It's very much musical.

This is a very cool experience to be on the other side of this audio. And also, please no one make me your winner pick. I don't want to be anyone's winner pick. That sounds terrifying. That's a lot of expectation to live up to. Well, you know how I end these things then. If you could pick a celebrity or a fictional character to bring out. Don't worry, I've thought about this one for like, pretty much as soon as I got the call I was like, okay, who are my celebrity

picks? All right, who do you got? I have two. So as you've probably gleaned, I'm a reality TV fan. Like, I can't believe, one, Survivor is the pinnacle, right? This is my favorite, this is my favorite show. Survivor is America's sport. I cannot believe that I'm on Survivor. I look around and I'm like, oh my god, this is Survivor. Like, there's, look at the palm trees. Those are the palm'm on Survivor. I look around and I'm like, oh my God, this is Survivor. Like, look at the palm trees. Those are the palm trees from Survivor. That's the beach from Survivor. It's really incredible.

So I preface this by saying reality TV junkie. So I'm gonna have to go with two reality TV girlies who I just think are like, they're both so excellent. So my first one is Shay Couleé from RuPaul's Drag Race. Hell yes, Hell yes. Shay is one huge Survivor fan, so would be really thrilled to be here. And I guarantee has some really interesting ideas for strategy and would be really thoughtful about the strategy

that I should be playing and would have like really interesting takes on the people around, right? And I just think like, it's so impressive. Like, I really admire excellence. And I just, that's a person who to me is like so deeply, like makes their craft look effortless. While you also know that they work so damn hard. And that's something I really admire. And like, I only could hope to emulate.

So that's my number one. Just don't pull out a wig and a bunch of popcorn. Shut up, shut up. Too much PTSD. You're like, you were holding onto that one. Actually, it'll be a coconut husk. It'll be a coconut husk off my head. Okay, I'm sorry.

I may actually do that at some point, just as like B-roll footage and see if they get to rub it. You need to do a reveal, absolutely. There's not enough nearly survivor reveals that are being done over the course of 25 years. There was a joke about, I can't remember the Twitter joke about like the Venn diagram of Survivor and RuPaul, but it was particularly good.

Okay, my other person would be Kelly Clarkson, who I just think has like reality TV OG all-star, and then has the nicest, warmest energy, and you know that if you brought her out here, first of all, she'd sing the entire time, and then they can't roll. That's all secret footage. You can get away with so much,

because all she is is singing copper and salt. Yeah, because I'm like, do Billie Eilish again. Like. You don't think she'd sing her own stuff? I mean, she would, but that cover of Happier Than Ever is like. I mean, incredible. It's very good.

But yeah, just like someone who would be so supportive and so warm. So I like, I went with reality TV, absolute icon in Queens, who I think would appreciate the Fiji experience. Absolutely. Yeah. Last thing I want to ask is that we all know what's coming next year, Survivor 50.

How are you going to make your mark this time around so we can talk again in a year? Look, if I'm back out here for 50, something went wrong. Something went wrong in 48, right? Like that's, I think think I only get so many days of PTO and I don't think look my work has been very kind and very flexible to let me out here this time. I'm not sure I'm going to get that same grace in 2025. It's a busy season.

So I am I am not I'm not here with an attempt to make my mark. And I'm sure some people are. And I wish them the best in their mark making. And I don't know, I'm going to just, I'm going to be me. And ideally like, as I've learned in life, if it comes for me, it comes for me. And if it doesn't, that's okay too. And there you have it. My interview with Stephanie Berger and my interview with all of the Vula Tribe members. Two thirds of the cast interviews have been released and that was such a fun one. Nothing brings me more joy than getting to nerd out with other reality TV fans and as was very clearly indicated in our interview, Stephanie is a devotee from Love Island to Drag Race to now Survivor. So I for one am hoping to hear that incredibly boisterous laugh reverberate through the jungle for the next 26 days.

But unfortunately, what you'll have to do for the next two days is take a pause here because we are once again taking the weekend off posting these on weekdays only. And so on Monday, Rob and I will get together to do exactly what we did for Loggy the previous week, which is to give our overall thoughts on each one of the six members of Vula, and then talk about how these puzzle pieces are gonna fit together a little bit. Who are we eyeing as potential best allies or worst enemies? Who do we see as in trouble from the jump? Who do we see as possibly making it far if not winning the entire thing and seeing a lot of green and

not just on their buffs? We will talk about that in due time on Monday before we go into our third and final set of Tribe interviews and bring the whole thing around. Of course, thank you all so, so much as we move through Tribe 2 here. Your support has been so greatly appreciated. I love so much of the reception that these people are getting and I feel so honored to be even just a conduit to allowing you all to get to know these fantastic personalities more and more

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