RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 49 Ep 2 B&B Recap w/ Maryanne Oketch

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

This week, Mike and Liana are back together to discuss Survivor 49 episode 2 with Maryanne Oketch.

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hi everybody and welcome to the r hap b and b for week two of survivor 49 my name is mike bloom getting into our first regular episode of survivor 49 and there is a good amount to get into a brand new version of the journey, maybe some bad blood between tribe members or tribes, I should say, but the focus will be on blue blood, considering how much has been getting spilled over the course of these past two episodes. Of course, I am not alone. I am joined by somebody who I would never Dane put dirty, it covered sticks into her bag anytime, Leona, Boris. Liana, how are you? Thank you. Bra, Savannah's reaction.

to Joanne doing that. I think it was so appropriate for that moment. Look, I'm just happy to not be the fourth added to a pre-existing group, or should I say the third added to a pre-existing duo because we have such a wonderful guest today. I will also say

perfect tone for Nate's storyline in this episode for her to say bra to Nate. I talked about this offline before Asher has started calling me bra just colloquially. I feel like yeah, there's been some sort of threshold that's been crossed but let's cross the threshold and bring in our guests, we are always allayed to bring

this person in, and we're going to talk about, again, a new version of the journey, and this is somebody who got to experience one of the first versions of a journey back in Survivor 42. It is the winner, the one, the only Mariano catch. So good to be here and so good. We've finally gone good,

full circle to the, you don't have to lose your vote to the from 41, 42 to now, like you don't have to lose your vote. Wink, wink. I did like James McHill being like, oh, it's a twist. You don't lose your vote. Wow. How

far have we twisted to the point where it's like almost one turn of the clock right back to where you started. Oh, wait, you don't have to lose your vote at these things? Wow. What a twist. Well, let's talk about our thoughts through two episodes of Survivor 49 because again, I do feel like for many reasons

the second episode was kind of a continuation of what the premiere brought. So it really was sort of three and a half hours to talk about of Survivor so far. Marianne, what are your thoughts about how season 49 has begun? Oh my gosh. My thoughts are the same thoughts I've been saying since the dawn of time. We can't keep getting away without letting tribes having starting materials.

It clearly is, it's like, you know, I love a good disaster tribe. It's always great. But a disaster tribe for me is like a pringle's can, you know? You eat it and a pringle, it tastes so good. But then when you eat the whole can, your tummy's just hurting and you're sick and your tired and you're regretting, why they eat the whole prickles can. That's how it is when we have these tribes of disadvantaged and

going to tribal over and over again. It was so riveting the first couple of times that happens, but now we're just like, okay, you know, it's Charlie Brown and the and the ball is you're going to get it this time. Who knows? Like, as soon as they didn't get their material, I already thought and I told Connor, I'm just like, Connor,

guess who we're going to be saying for the next two to three episodes at least? Because this is all, like, this is the pattern that we've seen being built. yeah i i completely agree with you and not to get like crazy analytical but i was like okay why is this okay so first of all are we happy with the tribe always going to tribal council no absolutely not everybody loves a blowout no one said right everybody wants it to be close the fact that you give another tribe 20 pound weights everybody carrying 20 pound weights plus additional keys that they have to go through and they still manage to win is absolutely bonkers so

So, okay, clearly this is a problem. So therefore, it's a few things, right? One is it with casting, the way that they've set up the tribes, that they're always making like one tribe that's just like inherently weaker than everybody else. But I think the way that we see and it's exemplified so well at tribal council with Jeremiah and Sophie just being like, I cannot even form a sentence. How are these people supposed to complete a puzzle? And especially when every single survivor challenge ends with some form of puzzle.

You are, like Mary Ann said, without giving the supplies, always going to set that tribe up or not. I'm not always fine, but I'll be a little hyperbolic in the moment. You are most of the time setting that tribe up for failure, which makes for bad TV. Yeah, I think that there are a few things on this. And of course, there's always great chatter about Survivor going on on Chat BCC. But Sam Phelan floated this idea out there as to like, is there something in particular? Is there a factor that is leading to this? because I would say what we had 42, 43, 47,

three out of the nine new era season so far have not had, you know, and granted, who knows, maybe Keller will pull stuff out of a tailspin, but certainly it seems like they're on the track to just getting absolutely decimated at this point. And what are sort of the combination of factors? And there are a lot of things. I think Rachel Lamont brought up a really interesting point

in that you would imagine when it comes to how you organize these tribes, almost always going to be by discernment of physical strength, right? They don't want to necessarily put all the big buff dudes specifically all together on one tribe. So they tend to distribute it that way. But I honestly wonder if part of Survivor casting should be here's a puzzle. We'll get one of those replica puzzles from Etsy, solve it as fast as you can, sort it out by time and then also differentiate people there. Because you bring up a really good point, Leon, it's something I've been talking about for the past little while now. like they're almost always voting on physical strength for that first vote,

which kind of is tough because there's not going to be a huge amount of like lifting large objects like you do in the first challenge. It's a bit of a misnomer there. What's much more important are these mental exercises and puzzles at the end. We saw that with Keller firsthand, how they could be, Jake can lift as many ladders as he wants to in this world. But if you don't have a puzzle person and Rob and I talked in the preseason about how like, Kella maybe never had a puzzle person.

And that is a problem. And maybe that is the core part of this, is that you are physically distributing these groups. Maybe you need to mentally distribute these groups. Hmm. I think it's, yeah. So I think it's unclear, right? Because we don't have a sense of what their puzzle ability actually is.

I mean, we saw this episode. No, I know that. But you're also then dealing with the confounding factor of the lack of supplies, as Marianne had mentioned. So it's like without the sleep, huge for cognitive function, right? And even if they're not eating as much, or, you know, even if the food, let's say, similar levels, that sleep factor is going to be massive when it comes to performance in terms of a puzzle.

So I just think that, yes, I think that would help. I also think that that lack of supplies will make a huge difference on puzzles as well. Yeah, I see both because I'm thinking, I'm thinking and I'm looking back and I'm just like, like, okay, who were the publishers in our season? I'm like, me and Omar on my tribe, we had Zach Swaffe, and she won't say it, but Tori was a publisher as well, too. And then also, like, Jenny was a puzzle.

Like, Jenny was, like, the main puzzler as well, but, like, Chanel and Lydia were also good on puzzles. So I'm like, yeah, we did all have puzzlers. And then we did have, you know, we did have the outlier and Jonathan, but that every person had, like, their strong person as well, so it was very balanced. And I'm looking at it, I'm just like, how do you test someone

in a puzzle? And I'm just like, well, other than like a general intelligence, test. You'd have to do spatial awareness as well, too. So it's very hard and very abstract. Because puzzles are also not the same. I am very good at a shape puzzle. I can

look at a shape and be like, this shape goes to this shape. But if it's just a picture puzzle, like this picture goes to this picture, I'm done. Do do the water. Or it makes it a build, build a shape. I can't do that. So there's such a variety in the puzzles

that you make as well too. And Leona, please go Go ahead. No, I love that you bring this up because this is me every single time I have a slide puzzle. And I'm like, I am so smart. I am so good at puzzles. Why does my brain, and I've watched videos of like the right algorithm to how to get the piece. Okay, you cycle it like this just is not sinking into this brain. This brain does not want to do slide puzzles if her life depended on it. So I totally understand that as well. Like it's every puzzle is different. And I think also, for example, you look at the first challenge. I guess it was a puzzle, right, in terms of sliding the ball along the snake without the falling in the holes. But that's completely different than the puzzle that they had in this episode as well. So, you know. All right. I have a suggestion. Could we do a challenge combine?

When you fly the finalists out to California for their final interviews. John Kierhofer has done the yeoman's work of getting all these mini versions of challenges set up at all of these. various drop-in events and over at the bar that's happening now in Boston. What if you just like book out of space in the Radford lot, set up a bunch of these challenges and have your finalists run it through? Now look, these are skills that people can inherently hone in once they find out that they're cast. But if you want sort of a raw test as to what challenges people will specifically be good at, and maybe to your point, you lay out a variety of puzzles in front of them. Granted, that is a comprehensive amount of work for something that, as you say, might get completely out in the watch when the actual factors get brought in.

But, like, it's, I think what I am feeling, and I think what a lot of people are feeling, you know, feel free to speak up if I am putting words in either one in your mouths, is that this episode is perhaps exemplifying the fact that the format is really starting to run its course. And as you said, this disaster tribe scenario is something we have seen umpteenth times before. I think the key difference there is that these scenarios make you realize that in those types of situations where it is an eventuality that this tribe will keep going back, that's when you really have to lean on the cast, right? You look at last season, Say's volatility and Cedric voting out literally every member of his tribe. You look at Yanu in 46 and just the confluence of chaos and personalities there. You look at Lulu and the fact that everyone was quitting and swinging back and forth. You look at even 41 and all the genuine drama with Shan and Ricard and then betraying everybody. When it's eventually going to be just a constant, not a variable that this tribe is going back again and again,

there has to be some sort of intrigue involved from either a strategic perspective or a character perspective. strategic perspective clearly that was not there in this episode and I do not begrudge the players because that's the other thing too is that the other thing that I've sort of come to a conclusion to is that like there is a very easy way now to game the pre-merged scenario and it's incredibly simple you find your three and then you find a fourth that way you go to tribal council a couple times just shed those other people get down to the four and god forbid you end up going one more time, get down to the three. And then chances are you'll probably swap.

That's all you need to do. And they're doing so here. And unfortunately, you know, it comes at the cost of not a lot of intrigue. You know, considering that be much like last episode, the big point of cliffhangerie conflict was, will Alex use his idol on Annie to take out Sophie because she could be a spoke in between his relationship with Jake? Again, they're trying to fabricate something, which I very much understand. But I think the strategy was just so cut and dry here that it really exemplifies the ideal way to play this structure that has just become so inherent to the new era.

Mm-hmm. I, so, okay, so I agree with you. Like, if you simplify it down at the end of the day, you want entertaining TV. So what makes for entertaining TV, right? You either want to be captivated by the players that are playing, or you at least want some sense of competition where, you, okay, let's say on one tribe or on a tribe, you're going to get the same thing over and over again. Well, if you're swapping between tribes, then every single time it's new, right? Even though the dynamics would be the same if they were to go back to tribal council.

So like I totally hear that argument. And I think that it's just, again, it's a question of like, okay, how do you solve it? And I just, I know we've talked about this now for like 12 minutes, but I just feel like let's go back to Mary Ann's original idea, which was like, just give them the flint. Let them have fire and sleep. Like, is that really the simplest? Is it Occam's Razor, right? Like the simplest solution to this. Now, that being said, I love the combine idea.

And I actually think we talked about this with Allie in episode zero, where what we should do is the combine is episode zero. Yes. And we get to know everybody. And then we get to see, or maybe a draft, perhaps, of the tribe. Imagine. I don't know. So, but, you know, again, that's like,

than the opposite side of the spectrum, right? Just give them supplies versus episode zero, combine, drafting, da, blah, blah, right? Like, how complicated are we going to be with solving, like, what may potentially be a really easy problem? Yeah. Yeah. I'm, like, I'm, like, I'm just like, oh, what happened if actually people got Flint for the first three days? Because then you decide if you want fire, because it's true.

Because we, when we lost Flint, we were like, oh, boo-hoo, we have a fire. We still had fire, right? Yeah. So I guess it's true. And I think it shows how consequential this Flint is and how important. And I think there's also a part where it's like, oh, yeah, they lost every single challenge. That's morally that hurts because I'm thinking about like other tribes that like have lost. Like I know that I'm trying to think of, Owa won their first challenge in 41, right?

Yeah, they won the opening challenge. They won the opening challenge. So I'm like, even in morale or just like winning something or getting Flint and just being able to like at least get that win, get that scene. of a wow, I got my flint and I'm now on Survivor and I'm now making a fire for the first time with my tribe. Like, isn't this great? They really haven't had like, so even that mental, mental part of like, oh my gosh, like I'm doing something and I did this little thing and I have this little wind. They haven't had that. And like so like because I'm just like, because it's like a penalty.

Like in the first seasons when they had these barriers and everyone got them right. It was a little penalty. It was stressful, but you got that and it bonded you as a tribe and you life moves on. I really I really do think that like just, you know, like you said, the autopacom's razor. Maybe the city's the right to answer is the most simple one. See what happens if they have this flint. Maybe give them, instead of just going and giving them to the supplies,

maybe we stop taking the penalty for the flint because the only time we see the actual consequences is when either A, it's a tribe that has lost everything, hasn't yet to get their flint, or B, it rains the night after. And rain is so volatile to see. that punishment that I'm like at this point we're really just going and suffering on the product itself because it's like like you said this the four the three and the four has been game up on this was there on 42 I was the four I was the number four on my season like this is this isn't new

this isn't this isn't something that hasn't existed so I really do think we need to try to make it so like at least unless the tribe is truly a disaster unless the tribe is an organic masting that we go and we see like a little bit of mixture and flavor because we've been eating too many prinkles and we need a stop. Yeah. And then the other thing that's really interesting, I've talked about this a few times,

but I think back to the early 20s of Survivor and era that not a lot of people like to think back on delicately, but you look at like 22, 23, 24, there was a way to game the system. Those were two tribes of nine, basically no swap. All you had to do was lock in with a five. you've dominated the tribe pre-merged

and then hopefully you get down with the five towards the end that happened basically every one of those seasons and then what did they do in season 25 to change things up specifically to combat that they went to three tribes. It was the first time they had done it in 17 seasons but they wanted to do it as a response to the fact that the players were very understandably adapting

to the game elements that were being thrown their way. I think again going back to Occam's Razor that might be another way to do it. You also think about from a challenge perspective like it just leans a lot on individual accountability when it's smaller tribes. And I guess that is a point of dangers, vulnerability, putting yourself out there. But it also helps in terms of variety of challenges too. But all that is to say, I do want to laud production as well for this episode because I do

want to talk about this journey. Yes. Marianne, is it a hot tape for me to say that like this is kind of what I always wanted the journeys to be? No, this journey, no, this journey is truly like, it's like you walk. walk in, you go, then you have to be like, because I loved how the journey was, in the beginning, it's already like, I have to figure out who I'm going to hate because I have to target

the bot, the coconuts, you know? So thank goodness that like, at least the people who had the coconuts were all relatively evenly matched because if it, like, because that was already riveting because I'm saying, oh, they're throwing the coconuts. It's going in here. And then it's like, who are you going to go and wrap out to? I'm like, are we going to get two people ganging up on the person with the most coconuts and the last. And then, so it was already just so many permutation just for

who's how is it going to drop and it was also visually pleasing to watch as well too like it was nice to see the coconuts going down and dropping and then even after that the second fact of uh now everyone knows you have this advantage they don't know what it is so you know this and then now it's like you have to choose the tribe or individual right so now you have this decision of like am i going to go screw over what it was one person loses their vote right i always mix it it was that joan could steal the vote of either Matt or Jake. Yes. Or screw over the whole tribe publicly. So it's like, what are you doing? What's the decision? And then it's like, and then I think Joanne did the best, especially with going for the tribe, especially because if he goes and steals the vote, everyone knows he has an advantage. And I personally think that means you have to burn it as soon as possible. And if you don't know your tribe dynamics or maybe your tribe is more chill, it's like, well,

when am I going to want to use it? When am I not going to want to use this? Now I have to go, how am I going to secretly tell this? person, hey, I stole just your vote when I have no clue about you and what's going on. So I really think that he chose the best disadvantage on his end, even though it didn't matter at the end. And I'd love to chat more about like the, was it smart to do it with Keller or Hina? Because that's a lot of people have a lot of thoughts about this. Yeah, I think it's a no brainer to go for the tribe disadvantage, which then on one,

okay, wait, wait, so first of all, I agree with Mary Ann that I think no brainer, got to go for the tribe disadvantage. It's super public. There's so many reasons not to do the other one. But then I'm like, okay, now I go back to the journey. Did I, did I actually like the journey? And I think what Mike's point is, is like we like that they're all together, right? We like that they're together. We like that there's interaction between the two or between the three of them. So I think that that's definitely a pro. What I would have liked to have seen is for the reward to have been known because I, I don't know if that's correct, but I just want to see because I would love to have seen the bargaining.

My personal preference on Survivor is like, I want to see people play that social game and that strategic game together as people not with the advantages themselves. So for example, now you know the winner is going to steal the vote, potentially

have the option to steal the vote from someone else. So if I'm mad, I'm going to Joanne, let's say, or Jake, pick your poison. Maybe a wrong word to say, but anyway, so you're going to pick, you're going to Jake's alive, right? Anyway, it's the next time on Survivor, a bit by mistake.

Okay, so we have Matt going to Joanne and being like, hey, I will only throw coconuts in Jake's basket. You and I team up, then I'll give you the win. Either don't punish my tribe or don't steal my vote, right? Like, I don't know. Maybe I wanted that element, but I will say, compared to the whole just like they're together for two seconds and then walk away. I would so much rather have them together.

And that's the thing that really excited me about the tribe disadvantage as well. Like especially if we're going to keep them fairly segmented for the pre-merge, I need more interaction. I need more mainly. That's why I was excited actually about the initial journeys in 41, 42, Marian. It's because like you got these options to like we see Shan and Leanna like have a day about it and really start making the planting the seeds for this alliance that's really going to germinate. starting with the merge.

And so I like that. I like the opportunities to develop bad blood, right? Like, I don't know how truly deep this storyline of Hina versus V is going to go. But, like, there's something there. I wish we kept bringing in more rewards, like the go to the tribe camp and steal something from them. Again, it's tough in a three-tri-tribe situation. And one tribe is just losing everything. But I like more of this mixing, more of this mingling, because these are opportunities to

have your castaways interact and also breed paranoia amongst other people. To your point, Marian, I was actually surprised there wasn't more boxing out. You know, I was very surprised there wasn't a like Matt and Joanne explicitly making a deal to be like, we can't let Jake win this. Jake's too good. So if we work together, we can take him out, you know, make Keller weak or make sure Kella doesn't get this. Now, maybe that would be a little too shady.

It might put you out there a little bit too much. but I would imagine if you put three different people on that journey, that's what you honestly might end up happening. Yeah. If you had Thomas 48, that would have that. There you go.

Love my, loved my sneaky sneaky little player over there. But yeah, I really, I think it really, on those three players, I'm thinking, I'm like,

would anyone be the, I think it was a player thing and not like this environment. For why we didn't see that, just looking at different players. Like if we had, like Savannah's like, I want to be like Russell Hentz and stir up.

things up maybe she would have been like yeah let's go gang up on people so oh yeah if it was like savannah and the two sophies like they both they all would have been after each other's throats you know yes yes absolutely yeah i i think i agree players for sure the like the specific players that go we're going to dictate it i think also again not knowing that you just don't know what the outcome is going to be regardless so you don't know if it's worth betraying somebody else right so if it's again a steal a vote which i don't particularly think is like that crazy you know, maybe then, you know, you're like, it's not worth it pissing somebody else off

because if you're Joanne and Matt, you create this alliance against Jake and then Matt gets clipped and Joanne is at the merge with Jake and Jake has this vendetta against Joanne for screwing him over. Like, you don't want that smoke. So I think that there's multiple reasons why you wouldn't do it.

It's a little bit of a prisoner's dilemma because you don't know who will or won't, you know, make it to merge and who will or won't ultimately win to have the impact. So it makes it a little complicated, but I did appreciate that they tried something new. So, again, I'm happy to iterate through as many versions as it takes to get interesting and then change it when it becomes boring, right?

That's the fun part of Survivor being on so many seasons. That's exactly it. Yes, that's that perfectly summed up, I think, my feelings towards everything that's been going on in the past couple episodes. Well, Marion, I know you wanted to talk about Uli's ultimate decision to handicapped Hinda cap, if you will. First off, I loved it. like it was delightfully chinsed to be like just carry a bag of coconuts with you like you know it's very clear like the survivor doesn't necessarily work with this penalty

system right the penalty is more so the fact that you have lesser tribe members and other people so they're just sort of like oh god what do you uh coconuts we got coconuts lying around uh yeah let's just look from in one of these duffel bags and just carry them over because like they were like vital people were like falling out of a cargo net like getting choked by these coconut bags like clearly these were not intended for it but But I mean, I appreciate the shot being taken. I think that, you know, if you're trying to breed goodwill towards Keller with the assumption that either you're going to face a swap situation or a merge situation with at least a couple of them, that it's like, hey, remember we did you a solid? Like you have nobody to blame but yourself.

And, you know, obviously it comes at the cost of now half a dozen people in the game having an axe to grind against you. Although he could have encouraged by being like, I just wanted for you to believe in yourself. you know, I wanted to show you what you were capable of. You climbed up that wall with a bad coconut's on you. You could conquer the world. Yeah. I honestly don't. People are, like, I've seen some people

that I can't believe they targeted Tina, like targeting Keller when they're kicking them, when they're down, would it be the best thing, like do the least ways. I don't hate it. I don't. And the reason why I don't hate it, especially is because let's say, oh my goodness, we go to merge and, you know, Hina is still intact.

The Vendetta, I can promise you, is not going to last. People get stir crazy. People want to do something. There's so much game to be played that this whole vendetta is going to be forgotten. The only time that this vendetta would spite people in the butt is that there was a swap next episode. Like that is like, that would be the worst because it's like, because then now could be like, hey, Kella, blah, blah, blah, blah. Look what Heena did to us.

But then on that end, speaking for, speaking for Ouli, could that be like, hey, Keller, we look what we did here. you guys you guys didn't do a gift took the gift horse in the mouth and you guys lost but like you should still work with us so i don't think it's the worst move i just truly don't like and let's see they did go to kella and they did go and kick a horse when it's down he's just gonna go and come back and be like hey look what they did to you so you should work with us to get them out like i'm out to sense of disadvantage was a loose loose situation anyways like so whoever they targeted it didn't really matter in the long term it's not really going to matter and like no one's going to go and specifically target Juan just because he was the one who had the advantage and had to use it. The people more likely to target Juan are actually on his own tribe. Yeah. Like they're going to go to merch and it's going to be, no, we got to get Juan out. And they're going to like, oh, we didn't, we didn't even have to go to war. You guys are having a civil war over here.

Like, that's not even a problem. I do like the idea to go back to what Matt, uh, what Mike had said about. if you give it to Heena, it's like, we're just inspiring you. It's like that if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball type logic. Like, I don't know if that applies. Yeah, listen, you're trying to use like negative reinforcement, right? You're essentially negging the other tribe of like, I don't know if you can do it. You can't do it with coconuts.

Oh, you could. Well, you're looking much more appealing to me now. Can I buy you a drink? Yeah, okay. Dating advice, applicable in Survivor as well. I think I think though and Jeff even says this at tribal council he's like look the tribe that gets decimated yeah they're going to lose members along the way but those who survive typically do well and I think that that also you could go back to Jawan's logic or I don't know if they made the decision Uli as a tribe but if they it's usually they're going to someone's going to pick up those stragglers right there will be stragglers someone's going to pick them up and then need to go against you know the larger force of Hina and the thing I didn't expect was how personal heena took it. I feel like they weren't

really mad about it. Oh, I think I'm trying to remember the I mean, it really was like Christina and Sophie were the most externally angry about it. Uh, but again, that's still like, yeah, they really, really took that personally. I don't know if they were just, this is a

shot at Heena. We're just so mad. We're good. I want that. Like, yes, take it personally. Like, that's exactly what this is meant to be. And this is also going to stir things up again like he'll turn these two massive groups against each other

you know we need more instances of like I don't know it was a very controversial if you remember in Survivor 43 when the I think it was when Bacu yeah when when Bessie had tried to had talked to Gata the yellow tribe Gabler's tribe to solve the puzzle to box out

another tribe like I don't know I know I know it feels kind of dirty to some people it feels against the spirit of the game but again if we feel like things are miss match to begin with, let's level the playing field. And so I like opportunities like this because it also creates storylines. And I am sure there's so

much going on with these other two groups, but just due to circumstances there's not a lot of story happening when it comes to the main crux of the episode. So I'm grateful for this journey for a number of reasons, one of them being, hopefully it does create, as much as you're saying, Marianne and I agree that there is not going to be a vendetta,

as long as like one of them holds a grudge. That's all we need. We have two, at least fingers crossed. Yeah, I agree with that. It was so, and I think also what was fun about that whole exchange was then Joanne being like, what did he say? I wrote it down.

I'll just let that rock. Whenever you're ready, Uncle Jeff. What does it mean? I don't know. Yeah, like, is he saying like, like, takes one to no one? Like, is that the old, like, because everyone's going like, Jeff was like, ooh, it's like, is that a clapback? No, I have no idea.

I think Joanne was just saying it's it's not my like it is what is it is let's go like why am I like I'm not going to like they're pissed off what am I going to say like what am I going to do about it like what am I going to say it's like I'll take it whatever they can do whatever about it let's go like I think that's how I interpreted it that he's like I'm not you gonna yeah yeah yeah I did go ahead Leanna oh no no go ahead Mike well it's going to say I feel like uh you know again sometimes we're not getting a lot of this like fiery match at that maybe for Jeff it's sort of like, you know, someone who hasn't eaten spicy food in a long time. And like, they try like the mild sauce at Chipoli.

Like, oh, that's a little heat on the tell. Like he had a very big reaction to, again, like a couple of lines spatted back and forth between these two tribes. Yeah. Yeah. And who knows? Maybe, you know, maybe there was some more words exchange that, you know, they, they decided not to show.

Who knows? Um, but I think also if you're not expecting that kind of reaction to, you can be taken a little aback. Oh, it's so spicy. Yes. Yes. Because players are so savvy now. Like I think, like looking back to the hourglass, when Roxvoy came back and said, Actually, screw you guys. We were all like, honestly, Troy, yeah, that makes sense for you. Like, we're not mad at you whatsoever. Like, we would have all done the same thing.

So why aren't we mad at you? We're like, life moves on. So we weren't frustrated at Roxroy. So I think that players are now savvy. So now a player being like, wait, what the hell? What are you doing? This is a tack on Gina. Joe was like, whoa! Whoa! What are you doing? Pressually again.

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who did not take her boot very personally. Let's talk about Annie here. Because Annie, again, very much understanding on the way out, she confirmed in an exit press as well, that obviously this was a place that Kella did not necessarily want to be and despite the fact that she was blindsided because she did think she was the puppet master even though it was sort of like at the puppet show that nobody was going to she's just sort of like ah

it's all going on and there's not necessarily an audience there but she understood it was just a game let's get into one of our games here leana because i want to hear your thoughts on annie from the preseason based on interviews the bios and how you thought kella was going to work out But how did you think she was going to do? Okay, so I did have Annie going pre-jury. I said that after Jake leads the charge against Nicole as the weak link, Annie is next in his sights. However, Annie was prepared to be physically underestimated and spent her time focusing on her social connections with Alex and Jeremiah. The short-lived JAA alliance or Jha for short, which, by the way, reading back through this, it was like,

oh yeah, yeah. So it's Jeremiah Annie Alex or Jeremiah Annie Alex Alliance. So it's jaw or it's two or three A's depending on whether or not the alliance is part of the A. That makes more sense because you're like the jaw alliance, also known as jaw, it's like, yeah, I guess that technically would be. If it's like, hey, I'm Mike Bloom, Mike for short. Yes, that makes sense from a commonality perspective. I'm Mike Bloom, otherwise known as Mike. You can call me Mike. Okay, thanks, Mike. Yeah, so it's jaw with two A's or jaw with three A's. Lasted as long as the acronym when Alex and Jeremiah chose to prioritize the duo of Jake and Sophie to keep the tribe strong.

Annie did a good job of hiding her CEO-ness and playing up her wacky musician side, which was a delight to viewers and ensured she'd be a shoe in if the summit ever came back. Her ally was of course Ja and her enemy was Jake Well a different Jay in the jaw A different Jake in the jaw A different Jake in the jaw

If they had all gotten to work together Or Jaws if Sophie had been able to join them Yeah So obviously the hiding her CEO-ness I do ultimately think that that was her downfall Was not doing that Would you say the onus was on her CEO-E-onis Her CEO yes the onus

Onus Well, I love Annie. She is such a fun person and such a great person to talk to about everything. I did not have very high prospects about her in the game, especially after getting to see that first tribal council and realizing that it was very clearly her and Nicole on the outs. So I also had her going pre-jury.

I wrote, as soon as Annie hits the beach, her survival instincts kick in with her inner leader telling her, give me shelter, the rock star will become the workhorse of the tribe. setting herself up as an early asset. And he calls her shot in developing Platonic love goggles. God, the word platonic has taken on so many new meanings since the last time I wrote these predictions,

for someone that she meets in Jake, viving with his unique career path and warm soul, she immediately locks in with him. Despite lying about her job as a CEO, and his all business attitude when it comes to camp life makes her an early social outcast only spared of being the first boot because of Nicole's weakness and challenges. when Kella makes a return trip to tribal

and he is convinced that she has the numbers on her side to take out Jeremiah. But her blind side biometrics are off as she's voted out unanimously. Feeling most betrayed by Jake, Annie will go on to pen an angry ballad for her ban called Heart of Cold. Her closest ally was Jake and her enemy was Jeremiah.

These are both very, very accurate. These are both very good. think, though, I just have to give it, and I'm so sorry to the person I didn't give it to, but I think I have to give it to Leanna. Because they were very, very close but specifically the, oh, Annie, you

had one of her allies right, with Alex in the jaw, and then also she was on fire for Jake as well, too, which was a true story. She was against Jake since J.J.J.J. So I think that really just gives it the edge to give this one to Leanna.

That's correct. I appreciate. You are correct, Mary. Objectively correct answer there, Marian. Before we move on here, Leona,

I don't know if your game is around the Nate segment, around the Gen Z slang. If not, can we talk about it for a second? Yeah, there's up, yeah,

we can talk about it. There's a question about it, but, but yeah, let's absolutely talk about it. Because this is so much fun. I love this. I mean,

listen, 25 years ago, Whippersnapper by the name of Rudy Bosch was sitting in the water in the premiere of Survivor Borneo saying, I don't even know what MTV means and he had to learn he had to fit in amongst the many younger people around him

and now we're getting the same old story with Nate Moore, the Marvel producer realizing he has to make some radical changes in a manner of speaking to be able to blend in with the rest of his tribe. So good. I think my favorite part of it I did I write to, I don't know if I

wrote down the exact quote, but basically when he was saying, I love how open this tribe is, but my generation was not taught to do that and I am very uncomfortable. He was very open and expressing that at least. I am uncomfortable. I do not like this.

I love that so much. He was like, why are they so nice? Why are they sharing their feelings? I don't understand this. It makes me feel about if you saw the secret scene about when they're just like everyone just go around the circle and speak about what you're thankful for just in general like he's probably fudge i have to show

appreciation like hang the only appreciation that i got was when i had a friend with my parents and then they gave me like a salad after like fruits as a way of apology like what am i supposed to say now that that's the thing is that and i don't know if this could be a matter of like the tribe that they're on because i think that shannon especially maybe staged to a certain extent or again very open about their emotions, very much about embracing their truth. Like, maybe this is more so the budding up of philosophies more so than Savannah and Shannon, as we thought from the beginning. Maybe Nate's the one that's like, well, we're meditating.

Like, we didn't meditate when I was a kid. What's going on here? No, I think Savannah, a piece of her still. Did you see the way she looks at Joanne when she found out about the sticks? A part of her and still, she's very, very. good at chameleaning, but I say she's still feeling like this as well, too. She's just like, yeah, I am

feeling really good about this. I am thankful. So fine. Like, I have thankful for the crab. As an aside for the crap, no, I, as a lot of people know, I was not a kind person to the animals. Apparently,

if PETA saw me and what I've done to the animals on Survivor, I would probably be, get something and attack. No, I was very anti-animal. anti-animal being alive. I did think for a second that Shannon would have had them in such a

filibuster of gratitude that that crab was going to crawl out of the pot and run away. And they closed their eyes too. I was like, crab, this is your moment. This is your time to escape. Yeah, the crab pulling a Peeby Herman of like, I say, we all do a 10 minute prayer.

Yeah. No, but honestly, nae being uncomfortable was fabulous. Because also it was like, as someone who now her therapist is trying to make her be in touch with like feelings and emotions and stuff, it is extremely difficult. So I empathize with Nate completely. I'm like, no, no, we were taught to repress that. We don't, we don't do that here. Yeah.

I will say, I know, it was an educational experience for me as well. And, you know, we're certainly a generation younger than Nate. So I know fire. I knew that, you know, Kellam, I know my own fire. But I knew that people would say, oh, that's fire. That's fire. I feel like vibes predates the generation that he's speaking about, though. Like, I feel like when you, like, I ask in the preseason who you picking up good vise, bad vibes from.

I feel like vibes has sort of been a long-term word that I don't know if that generation can appropriate. Cinema is the one that really caught me off guard. Maybe it's the corners of the internet that I am in. I did not know cinema was just a slang term to use as a generic singular phrase. To go back to vibes briefly, so the song, Good Vibrations, like by, I think the Beach Boys, I'm picking up good vibrations. Maybe Nate didn't understand the shortening of the word. But if everybody had been like, I'm getting such good vibrations from everybody here, maybe that would have been more appropriate. But the cinema part was interesting, especially as a man who works in cinema.

I feel like, Nate, you got to be up with the cinema's like. No, I was more like, you work on a film that a lot of young people watch. I'm like, do you just never read about your work online? I mean, that was my thing. I think that's true. And that's very healthy on his part. So he has a very, okay, so maybe I'm going who's not healthy then. So this is a call up for me because I'm telling you, antidote, I was.

telling people how excited I was to go and see all the comments on my season. Then I was flagged and had to go to extra therapy to learn about boundaries. So I guess I'm the problem here. Nate's not the problem. So shouldn't rag on him too much. Yeah, he sets good boundaries and doesn't go too deep into like the far reaches of the internet. But I think Rizzo, what did Rizzo say in episode one? There was like other slang.

He was like, yeah, like, like, quote chat or something. like that. He said, oh, if it's a puzzle, we're cooked. We're cooked. And Nate's like, I am actually obsessed with the storyline if Nate continues to be the Amelia Bedelia of the season of like, what are we cooking, Rizzo? You can't cook a puzzle. Cinema. Yeah, there's a camera over there, but it's not a movie. Rizzo with television. It's TV Rizzo. Come on. This isn't cinema. Yeah, I'm so here for Nate learning all of the new slang.

and then trying to see him use it. That's more what I want to see. He did say it in his confessionals, but I want more clunky slang from Nate. That will make me personally very happy. And I actually would love it if he also progressively started dressing younger and younger. Like, I know that's very tough out on the island,

but like maybe he could like borrow someone's clothes and be like, I'm dressing like the kids do nowadays. I'm not 40-something. I'm 20-something. Just like you. vibes. How do you do?

Hello, kids. Ohio. Ohio. Six, seven. See, six, seven. That's going to be, wait until Survivor 67. Holy moly.

Those, because Survivor 6-7. Kids will be old enough to apply for Survivor that are obsessed over 6-7 right now to play in Survivor 67. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Only nine years away from. Yeah, but I mean, is though is the Rizzo so it's really funny to contrast the Rizzo Nate conversation with the Alex Annie conversation from last week because where Alex

wanted to call Annie his grandmother and and here I do appreciate Rizzo being like look man I don't want to age you but I do feel like these similar vibes and you can see that Nate takes it obviously in a different direction I think he's also saying that you know I'm a stay at home dad and that kind of thing

so it's like okay with kind of playing into the dadness of it But I think that's where Nate needs to go. Like, you're, it's okay to not be, hello, fellow kids. It's all right to like be that, you know, the dad in this situation. It makes you unique. And also then you can, you know, learn some new slime. I just realized that Nate has the rad dad socks. So this guy already had a vernacular based storyline baked into itself from the,

from the wardrobe choice. Mm-hmm. He was planning it. So do you think he has to like take out the cross stitching and just on his downtime, I'm so in, like, I don't know, vibes. Rizdad? Yeah. Rizdad.

That's so good. D-A-D-D-D-D-D-D-D, baby. Yes, it's a Rizdad, Rizdad, Rizzo. It's all Riz-D. You can call it Riz-D for short. So much synergy here. Cinema. Cinema.

It's cinema. That's so fire. Well, the other thing, too, is that we didn't talk about yet, was the Beware advantage because we didn't see any right in episode one my question for the panel is in Alex when he read the clue it was the idol is dead like the specific language was like if you don't find it the idol is dead does that mean like you had to find it that day yes yes okay yes yeah i think it was basically like you have until you from when you get back to camp until tribal to find

it or else it dies. I think the question on top of that, though, is let's say he fails the mission, he can't vote. Does the idol get re-hidden then? Or is the Kella Idol just done after that? Was that their one opportunity? And then does he ever get his vote back? Or does he just like never vote again? I think

he gets it back after that tribal is how I understood it. But that actually segues Mike into Sophie's wonderful move about her being like, well, if this idol is dead, idols are re-hidden. So let's kill it. Let's kill it. so I love that was so subtle so good like you found it but you hide it but like and not like the I'm going to pick it up and physically hide it because then it gets obvious but that I'm going to cover it up and hope you know hidele idols are hard to find and no one's going to find this location I thought that was such a great low key brilliant move of what she has to do especially where it's like oh well he's not going to use the eye on me like I know he's never going to use this thing on me so I'm going to give him that power and the only reason the only benefit that's going to be there is it

I know where the idol is, but who knows what's going to happen in the down of the road. So I truly did like that move. I thought it was great working with the carts that you were had when still looking loyal to the rest of your team. Yeah, and what I will say is that while Keller's dynamics are incredibly straightforward, something that does have me really intrigued is this sort of, I'm going to use the term love triangle because Sophie keeps making freaking dating metaphors about it. But, you know, essentially Alex and Sophie in this alliance with James. but constantly sort of competing to become his number one.

It's a dynamic that I am obsessed with because like the two of them are trying to take a little small jabs at each other. No one's going to make the big stab, right? Because that feels like a like discerning cut at Jake's knees being like, look what I did. But it's very fun to have them try to get small victories over what another like what Sophie did with being like, well, listen, Alex finds this idol. He's not going to use it on me. So like, I'm just going to brush some more leaves over this thing.

or again, I think it was also for not, but Alex even saying like, do I want to get rid of Sophie right now, keep jerk to myself? So it's a very fun dynamic that despite, again, these three being, in my opinion, the concrete trio, you know, if they go back again,

I think Jeremiah's easily led to the slaughter. There is a fun push and pull between this trio that I've had a good time seeing so far. Yeah, it's like they're there out of, oh, we really like this one guy. And like, we, like, it's like, and Jake left. they would not work together as the vibe that I'm getting.

It's like, if Jake had to go and take that, would just decompensate it immediately. So I think it's really interesting where it's like, you have this person who really is the core of this trio and is the glue keeping it together. And I think it's interesting because it's like, what happens if the glue disappears? What if this guy has venom in him?

You know, fingers crossed. He's alive. We know he's alive and well and speaking today. So that's why I feel okay to say this. Could be AI, Marian. Oh, my gosh. J-I-L-G-E-G-A-G-I-G-I-G-I-G-E-G-G-I-K. No, but congratulations.

It's very cold-war-esque, right? Like, there's this battle going on under the surface that, who knows what's going to ultimately happen there. But I think, like, I appreciated Sophie's move. But then I'm like, how is she going to get that massive ball and chain over there? If that's what she needed to, like, would she need to? do that? Or does the idol just get re-hidden? Does the production take away the box in the ball and chain?

So my assumption was that because it was a group hunt effort, she would be like, hey, why don't you give it to me and I'll hunt around this area? And then she would unlock the box and like possessions nine tens of the law, right? Then she would say, oh, it's our idol, but I'm going to hold on to it, right?

What people sort of thought Austin should have done in 45. We saw this a little bit in Caramowen where like Eric dug up the idol, but he like gave it to Andrea and so she had possession of it. I think that's what she was aiming for, not necessarily like, yeah, well, just wipe it dead and start again tomorrow. It was more so like,

if I buy my time and wait until I get my hand on that key, I'm booking it and then I get the idol myself. Hmm. Yeah, okay. I just, I just, and this is, okay, this is now a separate topic, but still relating to the Beware Advantage. How is like one single person

supposed to go to the well? in all in like a couple hours while you're trying to strategize while you're trying to figure out who the vote like who's going to go home you have to enlist at least another person if not a group of people to go dig up the ball and chain carry that heavy chain and ball all the way go search the jungle to try to find something i think that for me i didn't mind the fact that it died i'm or like what that you had to find it that day if you're going to have to find it that day it has to be somewhat easier to find you at least or the idol isn't good for as long because what I don't like is I don't like it when you just end up in a situation where you have to tell everybody, right? I want it to be a choice. I want Alex to have a choice about who he should,

why he shares it with them, or if he chooses to not share it at all. And I just feel like the combination of a loud, heavy-ass chain you have to carry through the jungle is like a dead giveaway. And the fact that four of the five people on his tribe knew about it is like insane. But anyway,

no, I mean, I agree. I think that's the tough thing is I did enjoy Alex's grumbling and grousing about like, great. Now, literally everyone in the tribe knows about it. I might as well tell Amy at this point. Let's make it five for five. But I do feel like as much as everyone says, why would you tell anybody? You can't tell anybody. Listen, the comedy of these tasks is 10 out of 10.

It comes at the cost of needing somebody to share it with. You know, when you think about like the codexes, right? Like, say, finds the codex, but that's her one weakness. says so she claims. So she has to share it with other people. When you give people these tasks that require either stealth or distraction or just helping find things, you have to enlist people. It's impossible to do it on your own. I mean, Marian, I know that you were able to find an idol obviously on your own and keep it to yourself to great effect. But if I'm wrong here, you didn't, it wasn't a beware advantage though, right? It was just now an idol. Yeah. So I was actually going to push back

on what you said, Mike. I was about to be like, I actually think with where advantages, I think with those idols, it's very, very hard to keep quiet. And if you like some people can keep it quiet, especially like for example, um, in 43 with the beads, the art, like how, that's like the more possible one to go and keep quiet. You're able

to have some maneuvering. For some of these ones where it's like, oh, you have this massive ball and chain and you have like three to four hours at most to then go and use it. And then you also, it worked on this and worked for Kella because they already knew who was going home at this time. But it's like,

oh but also you're sacrificing your strategy time at this point and now you're off who knows where during this whole time good luck it's like by the motion of it you can't really keep that idol forever and by the motion of that idol is going to be more like you can't hold the idol until maybe two three votes past merge because everyone is going to emerge within the next three episodes if that idol's still alive everyone will know that you have that idol and and that's just a massive target so that has to be burned in some way as well too like I the only people who I judge for telling people they have an idol is when it's like a no strings attached idol that one I'm like boo but for this one I'm like okay Alex you're okay you're allowed to tell someone because you have to you have unless unless you're Jonathan Young is the only person who I believe could have he could say I need to go just hunts and be with myself we're like okay Jonathan take a deal he has this match he can hold the ball and chain go and dig it and hide it so he's the only person unless you're Jonathan Young

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We want to take out the competition. The substance. This balance is not working. And the naked gun. That was awesome. Now that's a mountain of entertainment. Well, I'm actually surprised we've managed to talk this long about this episode, given how, you know, straight forward a lot of these things were.

So I think let's transition into the game, which actually, hilariously, is still about this episode. Because I, so I didn't have the, I was helping a friend of mine move, so I couldn't watch the episode live. So I ended up watching it later. And, you know, the vibe of it being a boring episode. I knew Annie was going home. So I was like, okay, this is going to be boring, whatever. So what I challenge myself with is putting together a game that I absolutely adore, which is The Devils in the Details, which asks questions about little tiny details about the episode

to see how close the two of you were paying attention to this boring event. I'm going to do so badly. Well, look, it's, let's see, let's just see. Let's just see how it goes. Mike, we're going to start with you. The way it works is I'm going to read you a question about the episode. I'll give you four answers and you have to pick the correct answer. So for your first question, how many worms do we see Jeremiah eat?

So this is how many times he took a worm and put it in his mouth. Just Jeremiah though, not the whole tribe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Your options are A, 3, B, 5, C, 7, or D9. well okay we're already off to the races because I was going to say two just as a blind guess and that is below the minimum okay so let's think here because I know that I'm thinking either three or five I feel like they're not going to show him I mean I know it was a 90 minute episode and they need to fill time it can't show him eating nine worms they can't

show him eating almost 10 worms in a segment I'm going to go with three it was five he ate five worms but then we also saw several other people several other people eat worms as well so there was a good chunk of worm eating footage in this episode I'm surprised this they saved all the puking

for last episode and not this they were digesting living worms given the worms good they're good protein Mike great protein Mary Ann this next question is for you how many times does the Uli tribe say the word vibe

is it A 4 B7 C 10 or D 13 Okay You know You can say vibe so many times Especially how you edit episodes And Survivor can be

The vibe, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye That's already five times, you know But I'm going to go with the like method, which I'm going to call the M&M. And my blind number that I had in my head was seven. And you said seven. So I'm going to go with seven.

Okay. You were close, but incorrect. It was 10. It was 10 times. And actually, fun fact, Stephen says vibes also from he said it once. So he says it once. So it's technically 11 in the entire

episode. Oh, man. It's too bad. There's so much bad blood now between Hina and Ouli because Stephen sounds like he's cut out for that tribe. I know, he's the vibe guy. All right, Mike, we're going back to you. When Jake is trying to make fire,

he becomes frustrated and does which action. Does he, A, bury his face in his hands, B, throw a stick on the ground, C, slam his fist into the sand, or D, kick a pile of

leaves. Oh, see, I was going to say, again, my blind guess was going to be, because I knew he flopped on the ground. Like, I know he, like, and sort of like, heals over. So now that that has been dispelled in my head, can you read through the options again? And I can actually listen this time. Does he bury his face in his hands, throw a stick on the ground, slam his fist into the sand, or kick a pile of leaves?

Well, I know that supposedly Jake is the walking Hulk, according to Sophie, but I do not think he smashed his hand or a stick. I think he just put his head in his hands. Okay. That is incorrect. He threw a stick on the ground, but he did roll over and he put it up like this. Oh, come on.

His face adjacent. No. That's someone, no. As someone who's cracked out over making fire on Survivor, I was team hands over the face. It makes so much, you're frustrated. You don't want anyone to look at you. you know so you just put the hands on the face

I like drags your mind thank you just because that's how you would be frustrated two out of three majority rule all right Mike gets a point then I guess all right for some reason

which I don't know why Mary Ann would advocate for that okay we smash the hourglass we change the it's yes and because we smash the hourglass the out of the Roxroy rule you have to approve of it I understand. That's true. I care so little. Welcome.

Have your point. All right. Marianne, let's go back to you. We're still talking actions here. Okay. So when Huli is leaving the immunity challenge after winning, right? So they're leaving. What gesture does Shannon make towards Keila?

Keela. Keller. I will remember it one day when the season is over. By the time they merge and you don't need to remember. Exactly, exactly. Does she do, so this is Shannon, does she do, prayer hands, hand on her heart, a thumbs up, or a double wave? You see, I was feeling hands on the heart at first, but then you said double wave and my spirit called out to double wave for some reason. and so maybe

somehow my vibe is being transported back to May of 2025 and I was there feeling that little double wave and are we wait specific question are we talking a double wave like this or double wave like this because those are two vibes yes like this

this is this is by bye right this is taunting if it was a double wave I'm going to stick with the double wave and if I was wrong it was I'm going to be so annoyed but I feel that it's the double wave okay well I have good news for you. It was not hand on

heart. I have bad news for you. It was not double wave. It was a classic prayer. Oh my gosh. I love it. It is so I don't know if this is accidentally or purposely, but so passive aggressive. I'm thinking of you.

Oh, hmm. I'm so on brand though too kind of for her, I feel like. And that's the thing though. I don't know if they perceive it that way though. They don't know Shannon. And so it's like, what's this asshole doing to us? Did she pray for us?

No. That's like the same feeling. If someone walked out and you lost and they just did this, like the hunger games, like pastry? Yes. Oh. I fight guys. I'm like, what do you need?

I need that on Survivor. I need someone to do that. That would be amazing. All right. Mike, we're going back to you. What phrase is not said as encouragement from one of the boys during the journey. So this is while they're all throwing coconuts,

they're all yelling out things to encourage each other. Believe in yourself. All right. Your four options are, and remember, this is the phrase that is not said as encouragement. A, good shot, bro. B, keep going, keep going, bro. C, come on, boys.

or D. Nice hustle, boys. Well, I love that all these sound like the start of a Shania Twain song. You can just really interspers it in there. Okay. So I definitely remember like the second one specifically. I feel like it's got to be one of the boys one. We have come on boys and we have keep going boys.

Nice, nice hustle boys. God, like I can so imagine Jake or Matt saying nice hustle boys. like that's the thing is that that sounds so hackney but I can imagine them being like, yep, nice hustle, come on, keep your heart rate going. Like they're jazzercising instead of throwing coconuts into a net. So I will go with, see,

I think your answer is hiding in plain sight and going with the most generic answer. I like that too. Mm-hmm. Shoulda hustled. Nice hustle boys was the incorrect one. For context, there were several, literally several that I got from this

from listening to this. Come on, boys. Good job, boys. Good job. Good shot, bro. Good work. Good work. Good hustle.

Keep it up. Keep going. Keep going, bro. Good job, everybody. See, and that thing, it's the exact opposite of last episode, which was Alex, like, Rizzo, come on.

You know, I've caught this. Like, I want more of that shit talking. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were very encouraging. Both Joanne and Jake.

I don't think Matt said a thing. Just FYI. All right. So is a score recap. Mike has his one finagled point. Other than that, it's zero, zero. Marianne, let's go to you. Okay.

When Jawan comes back with the tribe disadvantage, how many more days did he earn himself according to Savannah? So Savannah has a confessional. It says he may have just earned himself blank number of days. Okay. Is it A, a few, B, a handful. C, a couple, or D, several. Oh, my God.

If I'm wrong, I've just fabricated a memory of my mind. Okay. I remember watching this confessional. And then people saying that her be like, she might have earned several days and everyone being like, ha, ha, it's seven, it's seven, Jolenski, it's seven. So I'm, unless this might be a fake memory that I've just created out of nothing, and I love my brain for that

but I want to go with several love your brain for its legitimacy several is correct and she emphasizes it too so now I'm like she's like several days I'm like do you know are you in the lore like are we talking seven

several? I mean you have to be in the lore like when you talk to like these survivor players they're in on the lore this is not an unintentional reference surely, right? Especially considering like maybe Keller would have done it on accident just because they're so deprived but like Oolie was eating good.

I think Stavent is absolutely making this reference. Yes. I hope though. Oh my goodness. Yes. All right. Marianne dispelling the Mandela effect firsthand. Yeah.

Yes. We're all tied up. So Mike, this is your chance to go ahead in the game. So I'm going to read you a phrase and it's going to have blanks in it and you're going to have to guess what the word in the blank was.

Okay, so just for a context of the question type. So Jake says this. Okay, so wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me reset. So Jeff asks Jake about the drama associated with Uli giving Hina the punishment. And Jake says this phrase, okay? Jeff, I'm going to blank here right away. I am going to blank.

What word does Jake say? Is it A, Jeff, I'm going to throw. throw up here right away. Oh, no, been there, done that. Throw up. Inspired by Nicole. Jeff, I'm going to freak out right here right away. I am going to freak out.

C. Jeff, I'm going to scream here right away. I am going to scream, or is it D? Jeff, I'm going to explode here right away. I'm going to explode. So I feel like it's either B or D because I remember this is the one where Jeff's like, Jake, that's the fine. you're in the belly, right? And so I think it's either freak out or explode.

Explode is funny because, again, he is like such a mild mannered Canadian that he's like, his explosion is like maybe bringing it up to a three instead of the full 10 that you might expect. So I think, I'm going to say freak out. I'm going to say freak out.

Okay. But Jake, unfortunately, is ready to explode. Like, I'm sorry. That was incorrect. Yes. And I noted it because he said he was going to explode. And I thought that that.

was funny because I'm a child. So, Jeff, I'll already a new pair of shorts. I'm exploded. I mean, unless, like, not to go. Oh, no. Just imagine. Like, Jake, how does this make you feel like,

Jeff, I just came. Like, you know what's such a hat on the mat? Oh, my God. Like, how would everyone react to that? Man, Jeff, that's great. I just came. I just came with my pants, man. You're going to have to give me a minute.

Oh, did you guys capture those vinegar strokes? Oh, my God. Jeff would swear at you if you did that, actually. Yeah. Wait, if you said that or if you actually came in your pants. I mean, no, I know there were seasons where, like, people were talking. I think didn't Omer say that, like, on your season, then you were talking about poop and pee, Jeff's like,

if you think that this will make it on the air. Yeah, piss me off. Because I was, I remember talking about, like, just, like, poop, like the experience of pooping it off with up. and he's like, don't talk about that. It's never going to make air. Yeah, I was cast in the wrong season, apparently, because we just showed 4K vomit just last week.

Well, that end, Sage has to pee all the time. And Savannah got a confessional about aqua dumping. Like, I'm obsessed with that. I mean, is this like Chekhov's, you know, over eager bladder? We're like, Sage is going to be in a much win immunity challenge that's endurance. And she's like, no, not here, not now. she has to, like, dash off Amanda Kimmel style into the bushes. Oh, my gosh.

I am a little afraid she will pee herself at some point in time. Because her exact quote was, my bladder reacts strongly to high physiological responses. So that could really be anything. If my heart rate's pumping, my bladder is pumping. Tribal. Which is great. Tribal, yeah, the first time Sage goes to tribal council, she pees her pants. Who knows?

What a weird season. If it's like, all right, tribal. accounts. Sage, I'm noticing a puddle beneath you. Can we talk about that for a second? Oh my gosh. You know what's crazy? Jake made a puzzle or a puzzle. A puddle also last week. Yeah, Jake's like, Jeff, I'm not good at puzzles, but I am going to puddles. Puddles. Oh my God, that's horrible. All right. I'm going to try to get all of these thoughts out of my head. Thank you, Mike Bloom. All right. We have one final question. So, Marianne, this is your opportunity to at all. Otherwise, we are going to our tiebreaker, which I might have you guys do anyway because

it's fun. So, question number eight, Alex says this after the shoe bandit strikes again. All right. And this is another fill in the blank, Marianne. I don't know if there's some blank coming around who wants to be a blank. What two words does Alex say? What two? That's crazy. Yeah, I'll read them for you. I'll read them for you. I'll read them for. I don't know if there's a Bigfoot coming around who wants to be a fashionista. I don't know if there's a Sasquatch coming around who wants to be a lady killer. I don't know if there's a Yeti coming around who wants to be a playboy. Or I don't know if there's a Chubacabra coming around who wants to be a glamazon.

Okay. The brain drain has manifested most in this man. considering he's imagining mythical animals are coming out of the woodwork to steal shoes Okay so

my oh yeah Chupacar I always mix up Chubicabra and a capybara that's so those are two very different things So it's Chupacabra

and then Glatazahn Yeah So here are your combinations I just need the first and the last Okay the first one was Bigfoot and fashionista

The last one was Chupacabra and Glamazon. Oh, my gosh. These guys are fried. There's no brain left. Yes, they are. So I'm going to go with Bigfoot fashionisha because it's just simple.

We're in a forest, Bigfoot fashionista shoes. Final answer. No. That is correct. What? Yeah. I don't know. It's Bigfoot fashionista.

Yeah. So congratulations. congratulations, Marianne, with two points to one Mike illegitimate point. You have one. That's true. I did actually get zero. Yeah. Thank you, Maria, for the kindness out of your heart to give me a pity point.

Yeah. She knew, she knew she was going to win in the end. So she was like, I'll just let Mike have it. I did not. All right. Well, I just, I am, I spent a lot of time doing this. So I'm going to ask this question anyway. Uh-huh.

So I'm going to have both of you are going to think of a, well, okay, not, don't just think of a number. I'm going to read a question. Very good, Mike. That is a number. Okay, so I'm going to read you, let me just read the question, okay? How many seconds was Jake's left nipple barbell visible on screen during this episode? So you had to specifically see it's his, yeah, his left nipple.

Yeah. That has, and I had to be able to see the barbell piercing in the nipple for it to count. I sat there with a stopwatch starting and stopping every single time. time I saw his nipple. There are so many other things you could do with your time. That's crazy. We only have so many breaths we take on this mortal

plane. What, 5,000, 2,100, 600 minutes? Yeah, exactly. And these are the moment she used to spare. When I get to heaven, God's going to be like, you spent 3,8503 seconds of your life timing the amount of time someone's

nipple was on television. I was using a stopwatch, St. Peter, to track you. Yes. Well, would you like to guess? So for context, 3,853 seconds was how long the episode's runtime was. So an hour, four minutes, and 13 seconds. So would you both like to guess how many seconds his nipple was on screen once you're done chastising me for my life decisions?

Yeah, not to shape against your decision, much like the barbell against his nipple. And it had to be visible. If he was wearing a t-shirt that was covering it again, that did not count. Nipple visible. Yeah, because I'm trying to think how much of shirtless jig did we get in this episode. Because I know he wore a shirt to tribal council. You have to be, can't be uncouth.

You have to be civilized. There's a dress code. I'm pretty sure he wore a shirt to the challenge. I don't know. Was he shirtless in the challenge? I feel so he was shirt on. He might have been shirt on. And this is if we try to trip you up.

This is me genuinely feeling he was. shirt on. Okay. He did have a shirt on. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So I'm going to go, so then I'm going to, so if you know, if you're looking at like roughly a third of the episode, roughly half an hour, that'd be about a thousand seconds. I think, oh, but he also did the journey challenge. I'm going to go with

one, one, one. Okay. That's good. Mary Ann. You see, it's funny because at first you said how many seconds and I was like, oh, 180. And then you said 3,000 hours. Oh. Okay. Morgan. Just a little off. Just a little off. So I'm going to go because we saw, because one third of the episode is like practically how much it's divided equally. But we saw more

of, uh, hella, because they're just unfortunately seeing Jeff a lot. But it's like how many times do we see them? And like, I was hovering around the 1200. So now it's like, do I want to go over or under? Because like I, because I was hovering. around 12, 1,500, but I feel as that's just dirty, you know, being like, that's like me saying 1-1-1-2. So I want to move, I want to move it. Just give you some breathing room, Mike. So I'm going to go 1323. Mike, can you repeat your answer? 1-1-1-1. 1-1. Okay. So just like for context, you guys know how many minutes that is, right? No. okay so Mike's answer for example would be 18 and a half minutes that means that Jake's

nipple was visible for 18 and a half minutes okay and okay you guys are way over us should I just go in what is so his nipple was only visible for three percent of the episode meaning only a hundred and nine seconds. I was so close in my first gut check. That's crazy. That's why you always stress your gut. Trust my gut. That's why when Mike said,

I was like, is it one, one, one one, because if it's one, one, one, you're only two seconds away, which is absolutely insane. But no, there were a lot of confessionals

where he was to the side and the nipple could not. It was only his right. It was like anytime Jake was shirtless, we sighed. But I think that was the, He caught from a certain side. Also, a lot of cuts from here up.

Yeah. They're having that nipple, like how they hide pregnancies in TV shows. Held a pillow in front of it. Yeah. A pillow, upshot, sitting down. A box. No, his right nipple, however, was visible significantly more because he had multiple confessionals where you could see his right nipple for a larger chunk of the time,

which could potentially be closer to 18 minutes. So anyway, if you're interested in looking at Jake's left nipple barbell, piercing, it is visible 3% of the time in this episode. I cannot wait for the TikTok edit of Jegg's left nipple. I know. We so, we love. These editors are on something. They love to edit great, like great bad

cabs. So. Well, congratulations, Mary Ann. Despite the nipple guess, you are our winner handily. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, I will turn the camera back onto you, Marya, not to make a

TikTok edit, but to spotlight a charity or cause as we do with every guest on the B&B. Is there something you want to shout out to the listeners out there? Yeah, actually. I was going before I came on and really thought about this. And I was like, you know what I want to shout out? I'm pretty sure it's the same thing I shouted out last time,

which is still Doctors Without Borders, still love them so much. Basically, they have a lot of chapters everywhere, but the Canadian chapter is, I think, the OG one, if I have it correct, they send doctors, like surgeons, pediatricians, like family doctors to places where they need of the most for hands on and just to go and they go and they work

on a salary and everything and they work long hours to make sure that whoever needs them the need the most, they're able to get the services that they need. And they do amazing stuff, super spectacular or super wonderful, great way for relief especially. So if you want to go and you want to provide relief and you're like,

I don't know what's the relief to do? Let doctors without reporters decide for you and then go and give your relief to them. You need to be a spokesperson for this. That is an incredible pitch for Doctors Without Borders. So feel free to check that out. Donate if you have the ways and means to do so. Marianne,

what are the ways and means that people can watch you or check you out? Anything you'd like to plug for the listeners? Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm on every social media. I'm on TikTok, which I barely use. Well, I barely make stuff on. I'm active on Instagram. Active on chat, BCC.

I've actually, I pop off so much. You know, I do still have Twitter, but I just feel as a track BCC feels a little bit better, especially for talking about Survivor because you don't get weird, you know, big brother updates in the middle of your Survivor feeds come on. So I'm usually there and then maybe on the street. Might find me on the street walking. If you see me on the street walking around, please, say hello. Marianne on the street. I don't think I've ever heard a plug where you can find me in person. I'm supposed to say hi.

No, it's true because sometimes we were like, I saw you. but I didn't want to, like, bother you or say hello. And I'm like, so I'm like, if I'm not actively buying a 72-inch television that's not fitting in my car and I'm trying to figure out the logistics, maybe then don't say hi, personal story. But if I'm like just like walking around, please feel free to say hi. Yes. I was, it was a, it was just like I wanted to chat at that moment, but it's like it, there was a TV

and a too small car. It's such a struggle. I'd be remiss not to ask you as well. the fact that your friend and ours, Omer Zahir, making his return to television in the Traders Canada in just a couple of weeks. Give me your thoughts.

Give me your expectations. Oh my goodness. I am so excited to see Omer on my screen, especially because it's like now I don't have to kill him. I can support him 100%. We're not diametrically opposed. So I'm so ready. I said if Omer has no fans, I am dead.

I believe he's going to do so well. He has such great reason. everyone. He's just such a social, wonderful person. So I am rooting for Omar, whether he's a traitor, whether he's a faithful. If he's a traitor, oh yeah, who cares about those faithful? He's a faithful. Screw those traitors, okay? Keep him alive.

So it's going to be so fine. I'm so, so excited. So I'm not sure how Americans will watch it, but where there's a whale there is a way. We will find a way for y'all to watch it. And for us Canadians, global is your friend. It's okay. You're the expert on giving

these slogans out at the end. Again, perfectly, perfectly marketed. Well, Leanna, someone who will be covering Omer on the Traders Canada is your ball and chain. And I'm not talking about the idle obtaining device. Puyah, your partner on the PAL. What's going on this week on the PAL? Yes. So let's see. My microphone died. So we only had, so for the PAL, we used two microphones. we only had one so we sat right next to each other right up close at the same microphone who you hated every second of it and I enjoyed every second of getting to torture him

so that was very very enjoyable that's episode 39 that one is out now episode 40 which is wild to think that we're already at 40 episodes is going to be coming out the next week and we are doing a lie detector test so I think you're definitely going to want to check that one out too. I have so many questions. Did you get a lie detector?

Yes. What? Well, we haven't recorded it yet. We'll see how it works. Oh, my gosh. If it actually works or not. That's so fun. That is incredible. Innovations in the genre

happening. All the pal. That's a dreamy award level. Mm-hmm. That's what we're going for. I cannot lie. I've got a lot of great stuff going on. If you missed, I did a conversation with Annie, which was great. Again, a little bit of a straightforward boot, but she was

very open about, you know, all the beliefs that she had about the tribe. She talks about Army crawling up on Jake and Sophie talking one night while she was sleeping. So a lot of fun stuff from Annie. Of course, the amazing race has been going on and maybe an all-time, full-blue moment.

Surprisingly not from myself on the Amazing Race Recap. And if you missed it, was burning the candle at both ends, the torch at both ends, I suppose, talk into these big brother contestants in the finale. And much more to come. I did a reality flash with Chappelle about Tiffany New York Pollard's new show called Slayer's Wheel of Fate,

which puts her in a medieval-like setting where she recruited a bunch of people from a dating app to help defeat a woman named Queen Karen and Free of the Dragons and win up to $25,000. It's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of my life. If we try to break down that entire mad lips of a sentence, so you can check that out as well as everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloomtie.

that was a lot of words put together i was going to say i think you just hit random on a word generator and then said you want to do you one better the entire backstory is uh animated via flash uh so again the peak of reality tv happening on our tv and hopefully the peak of coverage happening with the bb hope you all enjoy this again much more of a straightforward episode i do have a lot of confidence especially with jeff hyping this up for his season that i do think things are really going to start to heat up and speed up as we get further along here. But we shall see if Kella will keep going down the path of going to tribal council or if something will stave off the venom as it were.

But we shall see next week. Some of us will see live next week at the RHAP show come up. We will not be loading 72-inch TVs in our far. So feel free to come and say hi. It would be greatly appreciated. And we support everybody who supports us. in turn, including everyone behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes. And here's and, of course, for a wonderful guest like Marianne as well.

And of course, 12th America for his fantastic theme song, which is cinema, I believe. I think I'm using that correctly. Well, next week, the vibes will be vibing as we'll be talking about episode three of a Survivor 4 and I'll be coming to you a little bit later because we have some plans over the weekend in the wake of the live show, but it will come into your feeds. Later, better than never. That's not the phrase, but that's the timing when it comes. Probably Monday, probably Monday or so. So it takes a weekend, we'll marinate on our thoughts about the episode,

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