RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 B&B Ep 11 Recap w/ Justin McElroy

Episode Date: May 10, 2026

Survivor 50 B&B Ep 11 Recap w/ Justin McElroy With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor that week.  This week, Mike and Liana are joined by legendary podcaster Justin McElroy for Episode 11! Get ready for a jam-packed Survivor 50 double boot breakdown as Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas welcome renowned podcaster and guest Justin McElroy to the RHAP B&B! With just two episodes left before the finale, the trio celebrates Mother’s Day and dives straight into one of the wildest nights yet where legends fall, idols stay hidden, and historic moves shake up the game. The conversation zeroes in on the latest double elimination, where Ozzy, the living legend, is sent home with an idol in his pocket while another Survivor icon, Cirie, pulls off an epic power play using the only advantage she’s held all season. The hosts and Justin dissect how the constant twists, like the Mr. Beast coin flip and group splits, have cranked up the chaos and blurred traditional alliance lines. They share why this season’s cast is maybe the most stacked in Survivor history and debate whether all the added advantages are crowding out pure gameplay. Key moments include: – Justin McElroy’s take on why the Survivor 50 cast is legendary but might be over-twisted – The downfall of Ozzy: idol misplays, misguided trust, and repeated Survivor mistakes – Cirie’s calm brilliance, pulling strings behind the scenes and making alliances feel safe – The break-up of big groups and the lack of clear alliances as the game barrels toward the final seven – Emily Flippin’s exit with her reputation for spilling secrets, social bonds, and how Cirie’s extra vote sealed her fate How will players adapt with legends like Ozzy gone and Cirie asserting control? With alliances uncertain and the finish line in sight, every vote and advantage could mean the difference between fire-making glory and heartbreak. Don’t miss this candid, insightful, and funny Survivor 50 B&B as the crew questions who will survive the shifting sands of strategy and who’s in prime position to win it all! 0:00 Epic Double Boot: Ozzy Blindsided 5:32 Breaking Down the Split Tribe Twist 10:16 Ozzy’s Idol Mistake and Exit 20:17 Emily Flippin’s Big Move Fails 23:38 Rick Devens’ Showmanship Examined 26:10 Cirie’s Ice-Cold Strategic Mastery 31:41 Preseason Predictions: Emily Flippin 36:07 Preseason Predictions: Ozzy’s Game 41:26 Challenge Beasts and the “Beefy Boys” 50:36 Impact of Double Elimination Episodes 54:24 Before and After: Survivor 50 Game 1:07:25 Survivor 50 Winner Pick and Finale Wishes This week’s charity shoutout is Harmony House, an organization seeking to end homelessness in the Huntington area through permanent housing and supportive service programs. Click here to make a donation. (https://harmonyhousewv.networkforgood.com/projects/37203-harmony-housem?) If you have any suggestions for games or feedback for the B&B, feel free to reach out to us on social media or email rhapbnb [at] gmail [dot] com. To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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You can stay for free Hi everybody and welcome to the R-H-A-P for Week 11 of Survivor 50. My name is Mike Bloom. Happy Mother's Day to those who observe it. And I've got one mother of an episode to break down with you all because we have another double boot

in quite an epic fashion as we say goodbye the living legend with an idol in his pocket. And we got to see another living legend pull off one of the best moves. Perhaps she's done with the, only advantage she's ever had in pocket, really a tale of two. And I'm joined by two wonderful people to break it all down.

First off, I'm joined by somebody who I will gleefully make mouth sounds alongside on the beach like Emily and Rick Devon. It's Leanna Boris. Leanna, phew, pbue, phew. Perfect. Thank you. I understand out what the plan is and I will not play my idol. Fantastic.

You got the message across perfectly. And I am so thrilled to be joined by this guy. It's been a bit since we've had him on the B&B, but he was chomper. at the bit to come on and break down all his thoughts on Survivor 50. He is a renowned podcaster, author, and his shenanigans, I would never call inappropriate or disgusting the way Joe did about Rick. It is the one, the only. Justin McElroy.

Hi. Well, certainly not now. Maybe in my early days. Some more blue material, but I try to work really clean. I think Joe would really approve my actions now. I was going to say, which Survivor 50 contestant do you think would be the biggest my brother, my brother, and me fan, if they aren't already. Oh, my God.

Well, Marianne, I know. Because Marianne is, so I have to just talk about Marianne any time I can because she's really nice and actually really, really, really funny. And I like Marianne a lot. So I have to say Marianne. Cochran, I feel like probably would like my brother, my brother and me. Maybe. I don't possibly.

Joe Hunter would like me, but I think it's just because I'm a little bit of on the spectrum. But you know, when you want to take me under his wing and give you a good squeeze. It's all right, little guy. I'm two years older than you, Joe.

It's all right, pal. You'll get her next time. He's got that in her. It's tough. Some of these normal people conversations. Let me walk you through it, pal. Oh, you're getting a little worked up,

huh? A little overstimulated. Well, Justin, walk us through your opinions on Survivor 50 so far because believe it or not, we all are only two episodes away. We were about a fortnight

from figure out who the winner of this season is. What have your thoughts through 11 weeks been so far? So I, you know, I would say that, huh, definitely been entertaining. Top to buy. I would say that, like, entertainment has, I think is definitely delivered. I think it is maybe overstuffed a little bit in terms of, like, you have some of the best play, not some of it.

this is like, inarguably like the best crop of like people to play survivor, right? Like can we like the cast of 50 in terms of like skill, you know, you could put up against anybody. And there's like a lot of legendary players in here. And it just feels like a little bit the,

the levels of twists and like the doubling of the money and the Mr. Basing and the flipping of the coins and the Billy Elish boomerang idol. I just feel like maybe two. I would like these players to have a little. bit more space to play versus I feel like kind of being mechanically railroaded a little bit, right? Like that coin flip was going to be the most dramatic thing that happened in that episode, no matter who was doing the flip or how it shook out, you know?

That's not player generated. That's like huge stakes, huge drama, but it's not letting these players kind of breathe and have the room to play. So that is my, that would be my hang up. I feel like I wish it was twice as long. I would love to see these players like really dig in. But I feel like at this point, and this is maybe reading too much into it,

because I don't know too much about the world of Survivor behind the scenes. But I feel like some of these players, it's enough to sort of like keep their legacy up and their narrative up and their myth up and to like submit whatever that is. And that because they're going to go out and like do signings and meet people and cameo and whatever, you know,

definite career this is after that. So it's about like establishing their brand a little bit better rather than like trying to win. And that would be my like, that is my, I feel like it's moving so quickly and there's so much talent. There's not enough people who are like, I can win this. You know what I mean? Because like fair play, it's pretty hard.

Seems like there's a lot of really good players. But like, I don't know, that's, I haven't really thought about it holistically much, but like gut check. that's probably where I'm at. Well, I think speaking of feeling overstimulated, right? Like, that's kind of how it feels sometimes when I'm watching these episodes where it's just, especially with this week in particular, with the breakup into the two different groups, just felt so unnecessary.

What are we doing here? Why? Why are we splitting it again? Exactly. So, you know, while it was fun to watch Jonathan sort of bandy back between the two different groups, on the whole, I was not the biggest fan of this particular twist. And I think that it's indicative of sort of, just in what you're saying about the entire season as a whole.

You almost did. It almost, you almost feel like they didn't, like tribal associations have become so meaningless at this point. I feel like it moves so fast. The reorganizations move so fast. And when everybody already has an identity, I don't feel like you're ever going to have a tribal identity,

submit, submit in a real way, you know? That's a really good point because I was sort of looking ahead to, okay, we're at seven people, but I'm kind of hard pressed to figure out like who's working with whom at this point. You know, I think for the most

cogent couple of groupings we thought going to this episode, which we're like, okay, we know Emily and Rick are working together and we know about this Ceres Reserve of Oz group. Both of those are pretty dunzo by the end of this episode. And so we see scenes of like Tiffany and Ceree talking, it's like, okay, I guess they're working

together, but like how closely? Jonathan and Joe, obviously, you know, they are sort of in lockstep, but you see Jonathan Loki complain about Joe in this episode. So I think, and maybe this is true to life. Maybe it truly did feel like you were working with someone one day and then working with someone else the next day. But it is, as you mentioned, Justin,

I don't think we've really hit a point yet at the Final 7 where it's like, okay, these four, these three, even these two are locked in until day 26. Yeah. Yeah, I think because the math on the jury changes so quickly, I think people are just, I really do think that everybody has, been playing jury management.

You, I heard people talk about jury management early, like in a way that scared me. Like, are you sure you should be thinking about jury management, my friend? There's a lot of people around. I'd be thinking about you management, you know, about Thursday management. Yeah, I mean, that's what Ozzy should have done. Just a minute and many things to bring Ozzie down. It was him sitting Aubrey down like old yellow style and being like, all right, let me tell you my life story so that you can vote for me on the jury.

And look, if he played the idol, it would have been a could move, but that's a very big F. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of players, I think, are trusting. I feel like especially Ozzy,

I feel like players are trusting they're in a weird way trusting the edit and trusting the narrative to like, like it would make sense for this to work out for me. So I'm just going to keep being me and hopefully that'll work out because it's more, you know, like I've just

been doing the Aussie thing this whole time and I'm just going to keep doing the Ozzy thing and like, dang Ozzy, I'll be damned if it didn't work out the exact same way it worked out every single other time, huh, brother? Like really, truly, truly, truly irredeemably bad at Survivor. And no one and guy, I love, my wife loves Ozzy. I've been an Ozzy fan. Great character on TV. But you know, like, you can think of a great character from a sitcom. you know, like Mr. Burns, but you wouldn't want him to be your boyfriend. You know what I mean?

Like it can, you know? Every top for a lid, you know? Not to judge. Yeah, it's like a great TV character, but he can't, he's bad at the game survivor. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, and that's his character, which is cool, but it feels like a lot of players

are so in their head about what their story is and who their character. is and who that like narrative is. It's all coach talks about. You know what I mean? In a way that like this season must be inscrutable if you never watched for it. It's only people talking about like, you know, 13 years ago, I really shook this game up. Like no one remember.

What are you talking about, man? You guys disappear to me the moment the show shows about like. Yeah. Again, I will continue to say, I do not know why it has been said like if you've never watched Survivor before start with this season. It's like even in this episode like, all these like, I remember 20. years ago when I spoke ill of my father. It would just completely go over the head.

No, this is like one of those Doctor Who's 65th anniversary specials where they have one cutaway to Xanthrax 13. And everybody's like, well, confirmed. You know, like this is what this is. Well,

but I think it's so funny with Ozzy because, you know, ultimately his downfall was kind of the same of every single season he's played with those social relationships. And I can understand why Ozzie would trust Rizzo. right or would trust Joe those are the people that even last week even though Ozzy was being targeted you know Joe was the one who brought it up to Surrey hey just so you know Ozzie's being targeted so like there was some

semblance of relationship so I can understand why Ozzie would be blindsided but I think that there's also a natural reaction of like you dunce what are you doing just it's you know what it is Leon it's like this the as you grow up you have first thoughts and then you hope as you get older you have another second thought that's like now wait a minute i understand you feel very strongly about this but like just one more beat just maybe do what you're thinking is right because you've lost four times you know what i mean like just do what you think is right but backwards yeah yeah exactly yeah i mean it was brutal to watch because it is something that not only we were screaming at the screen for him to do

but again, his number one ally was doing so, albeit from across the beach. And unfortunately, you know, much like Romeo and Juliet, you know, the friar got sick. Jonathan wasn't able to communicate, or he did communicate the message to Rizzo, and Rizzo decided to purposely lose it in translation. I want to get your thoughts on the Riz God here, Justin.

I need to hear your opinions on what this guy is done over the course of the season. I love, I love Riz God. I love and that is not normally the sort of player I fucking love this guy fully formed person fully formed Muppet

from the moment the guy's on screen he's like an impeccable character like he acts in his own interest he rules people keep trusting him and they shouldn't because he calls himself the Riz God he's clearly a maniac I love this guy like I know I

think he's actually pretty good at Survivor and would have been I think he's just had bad matchups in his seasons. I think he's great. I really, I'm a huge fan. Sidney does not agree with me. It is a big point of contention in our marriage. Wow.

Yeah, huge. I mean, until the TV shuts off, at which case I forget, you know, I forget he exists. I was going to say, I don't know if that will fly in like a divorce court of like, is that kind of irreconcilable differences, irisconcilable differences? So close. So close. So close. Oh, man.

I love the Muppet comparison though. That's funny. He does give very Muppet energy, very beaker. You know, but like it's like one of these people who's like good on is Ozzie, I think is another who's like really good on TV. I mean, he's just like a good TV personality. Devons knows how to be on TV because Devons has been on TV for it's not an accident that Devons is really good on camera. The guys does it for a living. You know what I mean?

Like he knows how he reads. He knows, you know, edits and angles and stuff like. that. So I think Ozzy's the same way. These people have seen their edits enough that I think it's in their head. You know what I mean? That said, I do not think Ozzy simulated any sort of mixed emotions when he was on his way out. And this is a guy who, again, we've seen even in this season, anytime he has slighted in some way, if you vote against him or you leave him out of the vote, he will treat you with the ire of his worst enemy. You are public enemy number one in that moment to him.

And here just to see him so like simultaneously crestfallen yet probably so upset, so angry that he probably would have strangled Rizzo if he had the ability to do so. That thousand yard stare he had just looking

down while Jeff was about to stuff his torch. I was obsessed with that moment because I don't know if you're Jeff like do you let him take his time? You know? This is I guess the last travel of the night but like apparently Ozzy said that he stood there for about twice as long as what was shown on the show. That's not. Gosh, man, but it is survivor, isn't it, Ozzy?

They do do this to people. It tends to happen at the end of every episode. Surprise, surprise. Okay. I will remove it from, okay, I will just do hard math. If I'm Ozzy, here's why, here's why this play is bad. You do have this question of it's always risk reward with an idol, right? got an idol. You could play it now. You can play

it later. There's a risk. There's a reward. If I'm Ozzy and I'm on the fence, you can't have a 100% sure thing in Survivor ever. So the best thing you could do if you're Ozzy is say, well, I do have this idol now and I'm

pretty good at winning challenges. So I'm just going to have to hope that I can get another idol because I need this right now to get through because I'm not sure. And like, that's easy number. You know, if it's somebody who's harder for you to get an idol, maybe you don't play at them. But if you're Ozzy, like, trust that you could probably win another couple of immunity

challenges along the way, you know? I wonder if him being a target for the past few rounds, it's weird because on paper you would say, okay, in theory, then you'd be like, okay, I'm definitely in trouble. There's only four people that are vulnerable. Let me do that. But Ozzy, you know, takes that paper, rolls it up a little something, something, and decides to light that up because I think that he felt so kind of complete. place in that, right? He's like, listen, my name's been thrown out before, but nobody's voted for me or

only a couple people have. It's fine that Leana, I wonder if this time he felt it was just so familiar that he didn't actually think it was a bit of boy who cried Wolf in a manner speaking. Well, and I think that plus his relationship with Rizzo, you know, he he took care of him on exile island and, you know, theoretically they've got this series. What is it official? Well, not a Yeah, Seri's Wizard of Oz is now out of print, unfortunately. Sure, yeah. They woke up from that dream pretty quickly now. Yeah.

Well, speaking of dreams, maybe that should have been the reason why Ozzy is like, Ozzy, you had a dream. That's the most information your brain has ever given you. Let this be a piece of advice to not only feature survivor players, but human beings worldwide. Follow your dreams. Head your nightmares. If you wake up in a cold sweat, feeling a sense of anxiety, that is not just being drummed up from out of nowhere.

There is something going on in your brain or environmentally that is saying like something ain't right, something ain't right right now. This season, I think, has been the most times, and it always happens on this show, but like definitely this season a lot. I think about the dreamlike nature of this show,

like the incongruous elements come together. And like, if you're watching, it's like, okay, but I mean, you think about actually physically being Mike White and having to sit there and listen to that man play. the guitar, you know what I mean? For what must have felt like ours.

And thinking about how to keep your face. Like, you can't be liking it too much. You know, we're not going to believe it, Mike. I'm not. I couldn't sell it. You know? And I bet it went on for a pretty long time. And then he wanted to go out spear fishing.

Woof. Talk about dream scenarios. Imagine your Devons. You're standing there. You're in front of a fire. Every survivor great ever is watching. you a million dollars rides on a coin flip beast is over here veneers blazing right just waiting to see what happens we don't have emotions written down for that you know what i'm saying like

we don't it's a singular human experience in all of existence like no one will be feeling what rick devons felt in that moment you know what i mean like the pressure of like i will get eliminated. I could win strangers $2 million. Mr. Beast with the veneers. Jeff's watching. Like no one's, it's like, what a bizarre feeling to just be in that

exact moment. The most madlib style. Exactly. It is like, and then it feels like someone is like, and then I swear God, it's a huge marshmallow and I'm eating it. And since I finish the marshmallow, Beast with the veneers is like, flip it, bud, we got to go. And it's like, Jeff

probes was there for some reason. It is very much like describing your dream the next day and being like what the hell was that? Yeah, it was like a beast coin that we flipped and like tails was torches. I don't know. Justin, if you were

presented the opportunity as a celebrity super fan to put something onto the show for season 50, well, and why. God, that's a lot of pressure. You can do a, you can do a Zach Brown like experience. It doesn't need to be

a twist, no coins involved. I would make, I would, I would have, I would, I would say, okay, if you win, we're going to recreate my favorite survivor reward. And then you won't know what it is. And then after you win,

we're going to go watch Gulliver's Travel Starry and Jack. And then it'll be like, this was a movie, I'll be like, I know, I know, I know, keep watching. It gets better. Incredibly unique. You got to be really, positive. I don't think I've ever heard a reward be used as entrapment before.

I know it is. This is what you get. Yeah, you got to eat a bunch of Taco Bell. A bunch of applebee's of Taco Bell. Yeah, that would be by. I love it. Be mine to make people do the gallery. It's all I've wanted. Free it back. Free it back, baby. Bring it back.

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the other group here because let's not bury the point that of course we say goodbye to the lovely Emily Flippen. She went out swinging in so many ways and listen, I guess for what it's worth if Surrey didn't have an extra vote this plan could have gone off

here. I mean yeah, proud of Surrey for actually playing it. I was a little nervous. It felt like an absolute no-brainer. This is what extra votes are made for. type situation when legitimately you're not 100% short and you can basically guarantee that that group of three is safe. I feel like why not do it? So it was wonderful to see her, you know, sad to lose Emily, but obviously I'm very happy to keep three. But just mainly again,

from like a game mechanics perspective to actually see that have some kind of an impact just because extra votes typically don't really do much. So it was nice to have some kind of impact. But proud of Emily, proud of Devin's for at least trying some kind of gambit. Obviously they didn't know about the extra vote. So to them it make complete sense. Yeah. Justin, whatever your thoughts been about Emily flipping

this season. I mean, it's interesting in that she was known for spilling all these secrets earlier in the season and she gets undone by a secret that someone else would tell from her. Yeah, she just kind of, I don't, I feel like you said went down swinging and it's funny because that reminds me of Emily's play style, which I think is like this.

like it's very much like just taking swings at whoever's kind of around it's weird that people keep getting close to Emily like don't do that she doesn't care she'll tell everybody everything like stop stop yeah but I but I think it's it's that thing of like but I can change her you know like it doesn't work for anyone else but I'm skilled enough that I can take the wild beast she does have also like and this is neither a positive or negative because she has no uh sway over it but she has a face that looks very trustable. She's a very trusted, trustable, you'll want to trust her. You know what I mean?

Like she seems like if she looked at you and it's like, I know, Justin, I'm messed up in the past. But look at me. You can trust me. I'm like, all right. Yeah. Yeah. Me and Surrey and Ozier or partner.

Don't tell anybody though. Yeah, yeah, but don't tell anybody. No, I completely agree with you. I think also when she speaks, she just sounds so genuine. Like when she was telling Surrey about the fact. that yeah, I think I can get Devin's to play the idol. I'd believe her. Yeah.

I mean, to be fair, most of the time, she is speaking the truth, you know? She also doesn't plan much, I think, which I credit her for. I think that she looks at a situation and looks at her best advantage with it. Like, you know, she does play moment to moment, which I really appreciate where some people are a lot more like, you know, it's five moves ahead. Yeah, I completely agree. We talked about this last week, Leanna, that like, I don't know if she necessarily is lying in the moments where she is, like, spreading all this information that she had.

It's more so, like, I am feeling this way in this moment. So let me see what she's very much someone who wants to talk things out with other people, which is an impossibility and survivor unless you really have a ride or die. And luckily, she does have one here in the form of Rick. You mentioned him a few, a few times here, Justin. But what are your thoughts on Rick Devons here? You know, especially the gleeful dancing he was able to provide. Don Lockwood style at the top of the episode.

Rick, Rick is 100% the way I would be playing Survivor. Like having a lot of fun doing it, not like bringing kind of a joyful attitude to it and sort of a devil may care attitude to it. I think it's really fun. I think that he is, I think that Devons,

it has worked out really well for Devons, and I'm glad that it has. But he, I think, is guilty of something that a lot of players this season are guilty of, which is like leaning so deeply into their own mythos and their own like narrative that they're trying to play that rather than play the game.

You know, like Devin's, the idol play was like, it's all very like fun and cute. It's not really like a strategy. You know what I mean? Like it's like it's fun and chaotic and it's panning out. But I feel like he talks,

he was talking so much about like, if you want that Rick Devons, then you'll have, then you can have that Rick Devons. It'll be that. But like, if you were thinking that much about your own narrative,

then other people are thinking that way too. You know what I mean? It's not a, you're now thinking like an editor rather than someone who's playing the game, I guess. And that's kind of, I think that's kind of a flaw that everybody has that they can't really shake, you know,

because they're thinking about how this will come across, I think as well as how it will or how the producers might want to shape it, you know, versus the individual moves. Yeah, well, and I think Devons also, we've clearly seen his shenanigans lead to him being the target now for the past two weeks that he was basically safe the week before, then the Beast Week, the marshmallow dream beast week. I'm just imagining like a Fleet Week style of all these people dressed up in Mr. Beast paraphernalia gallivanting around New York. Yeah, some people go crazy for Shark Week. I go crazy for Beast Week, as we know.

So like he was obviously a target then, gets saved because of the Beast Idol. was a target this week, played his own idol, ended up safe, right? And whether or not it would have been Emily versus Devons. Obviously, Devin seemed to be the one who people wanted out more, especially if you were Joe, even though he wasn't there to push the narrative. But Joe, oh my God, wait, actually, sorry, just to completely derail. Surrey saying, I wrote this down, that Joe lives at 500 hypocrisy Hill. I don't know why, but just.

That's killer. That's like such a good. The alliteration is what you can't like. I love it. Are we talking about Sari for a second? Please. Yes. Okay.

You want to know why Ozzy's bad at Survivor. I think if you have watched Surrey at all, and I've watched everything she's done, I think she's one of the most. If this is a skill set, and I think it is, she's probably the best, like, ever. And what I mean by that is, Ozzy is playing all of his emotions right there out. on display for everybody. You can just stop in and see what Ozzy's exactly what Ozzie's feeling, right? Surrey, I feel like the person that you talk to, you would have to make an appointment with to talk to the actual Surrey.

Like actual Surrey is even fucking, excuse my language. Actual Surrey cannot speak with you right now. Like the only person you get is this person you are like on the outside, but like you couldn't even get into where actual Surrey is. like because she is thinking about exactly what she wants to do in the game. And you're Ozzie. And you saw her on traders cut her partner's head off in cold blood. One of the iciest things I've ever seen on television.

And you are Ozzy. And you think I think a good partner for me would be one of the ice coldest killers ever on reality TV. Because I'm pretty pretty much a savvy dude. that's my ride or die. Are you crazy Ozzie? Surrey, dude? Get a pack of hyenas, man. Get a shark.

Get an electric eel before you partner is Surrey. She is going to kill you. You're an Ozzie. I mean, for what it's worth, Ozzie did genuinely seem to communicate. And this speaks to a point you made earlier that he would rather lose next to somebody like

Surrey than win next to, I don't know, Joe or Rizzo. Asi is he lost next to Surrey and a lot of other people. So he got his wish. That's exactly it. But I think you bring up such a good point

that what is so fantastic about Surrey is that yes, she is someone who sort of like present so many different layers, right? It's like a bank vault. You have to really be able to crack the many layers of the metal to get inside. But she presents as

that you're speaking with the real Surrey. Like when you sit down and talk with her, you're not like, oh, she's so inauthentic. Oh, she's just. BSing me. She just has this genial way of having these conversations that you do leave being like, oh yeah, Surrey's in my quarter. She has that confessional Leon a few weeks ago, right, where she's like, I'm working with this person. I'm working with this person. Joe and I have an understanding that I think just the way she comports herself allows people to feel like they are inside that vault alongside

her. She also has this ability to stay calm under pressure that needs to be, like how do we bottle that? because well go to nursing school perhaps apparently yeah apparently but it's like so but socially calm too right and she just like okay hold on like one second you guys are telling me all this stuff like let's let's talk about it let's figure out where the truth is and oh my god if anybody else caught me in a lie i would just start sweating no even verbal reaction just immediate red immediate sweating and i think that that is what allows it to come off like she is the authentic seri because she's not having this almost like two face double cross-type moments because she can just stay so calm in these situations. It's really been so fascinating to watch. And I don't know why this season feels like I've seen more of it. Maybe just because I'm paying attention to it or the editors are showing it. I'm not 100% sure. But it just, she is such a fabulous, fabulous, fabulous player.

And it's wonderful to see. I think in a game where especially this season where everyone is flying at so many different cross purposes and everybody, the game is switching so fast. I think that by being Surrey and having a sense of that sense like you're talking about Leon of like calm of quiet I think if you have that

players are so desperate for any kind of stability that they will take it at first you know what I mean like I think that you will listen to Surrey and be like she knows what she's talking about you know like she really seems to have this figured out I should go with because she seems to have it figured out and I feel like everything's so chaotic

just by staying calm home. I feel like she gets herself so much credibility because like, I'm going to listen to Surrey. I don't know. I'm all over the place and she seems to have pretty figured out. 100%. That 100%.

And like you're just going to be drawn to that. And I think it's interesting to see, you know, Ozzy, especially Ozzy, there was one episode. I don't remember exactly where it was. But he was basically like, well, thank God, Surrey came back and told us what it was. It was when the double duo thing when she was flipping the coconuts. Oh, that's right.

Yes. I would want Surrey. I think no matter what my strategy was, if you talk to a Surrey about your strategy and it is different from hers, I feel like her genius would be starting to undermine that strategy without you really realizing you're doing it.

But like, I would, if Surrey questioned me, I would question myself, absolutely. You know what I mean? Like, no question. You have to. She's the best. You know what I'm like, yeah, I would totally buy it for sure.

Yeah. All right. Well, let's get into some of our chatter around these two boots. And let's get into our preseason predictions that Leanna and I wrote for this cast. And we've got two people to talk about once more. Again, we are really like speed running through the end game here. But let's go in the order in which they were eliminated, shall be? Let's talk about Emily Flipping. Leanna, of course, as Justin said, a very outspoken character.

how outspoken were you about how well she'd do in the game? Yeah, I had Emily going pre-jury. Oh. I said that after Savannah and Jenna are voted out, the lines on Celia become much more clear with Surrey and Ozzie pulling in Devons and Christian to control the tribe. Emily, on the other hand, quickly finds herself on the outs

alongside Joe, despite her much more composed start to this season compared to the last time she played. When Silla, when Silla, when Sela loses again. Surrey and Ozzy both recognize Emily as the more dangerous option compared to predictable, loyal Joe. Christian attempts to save his fellow blood on the clock tower nerd, but Surrey and Ozzy push back hard, recognizing Emily as the type of player who could hit the merge, get loud, and understandably turn the group against the one that put her on the outs. So Emily leaves pre-jury, but becomes slash remains a fan favorite after serving as the vocal antagonist to Joe's

loyalty game, especially in confessionals. Her ally was Christian, enemy was Surrey and Ozzy. Yeah, I could imagine like the tweets now of like, Queen was gone too soon. She wouldn't be working with all of Joe's BS. Mm-hmm. What doesn't put up for this honor and integrity alliance, all that stuff. Yeah, for sure. All right.

Well, I had slightly loft your prospects for financial analyst Emily Flippin here. I had her making the jury. So I wrote wanting to immediately show that she's not the source. soft version who left season 45, Emily goes hard out of the gate. She immediately locks in with Christian and starts the movement against Rick. When he attempts to bluff with an idol, we even get a classic, can I push back on that out of her? When Emily gets swapped into a tribe with both Christian and Dee, she looks at the situation with the glee of a charcutory platter, but her booty bumping is belayed when her two tightest

allies gun for one another. As the merge nears, Emily gets in her head fearing Dee has no endgame plans with her again. during a possible crash in their relationship, she decides to sail high, getting some deep-seated revenge. Emily will yet again get down with her bad self at this season's auction, this time getting a full bottle of red wine,

which she proceeds to puke up off-camera shortly thereafter. With the end game insight, Emily begins putting the wheels in motion to take out Charlie, but Surrey begins to see the subtle influence she wields and that she's been fully inoculated from her mist. And so in an eerily similar set of circumstances, an idle play causes Emily to get blindsided. That feeling of deja vu causes Emily to forswear reality TV,

bowing she's faded to never win no matter what. She'll then show up on a new reality show in 2028, where she'll finish once again in seventh place after getting taken out by the one-two punch of Tiffany New York Pollard and I and Zierring from Beverly Hills, Idaho 2-1-0. Her closest ally was Christian and her enemy was three. I think it's Mike I think it's really cool

With this show like this that you leave so much space for fan fiction Because a lot of a lot of these Type of shows don't have enough room to like Really let people to sort of spin their own sort of OC About like what they think might happen So I feel like I'm glad I could be here for that I wish I you know I'm glad to To hear how you your your your tails

Well I'm gonna put the the gavel in your hand here You're gonna be the judge during execution here Justin Who do you think was more on the money about Emily this season? I'll be honest with you, Mike. I was able to stay dialed in for Leanna's a lot easier. So I got to go with Leanna. Somehow we started it. Was it house of villain, Mike?

Was that way? No, it's a new reality show coming in, we can't even imagine. Solitary 4.0. Solitaire 4.0. The Fox Reality Channel is back. Listen, I would not be mad at Solitaire coming back. Talk about like, exploitative reality TV, torturing people. We're headed back back back.

I love it. All right. Let's talk about someone who was tortured perhaps by his own decisions here in Ozzy. So I also had Ozzie making the jury. Due to his ailing back, Ozzie isn't able to carry his tribe on his back in challenges as he visits tribal council and the pre-merge again and again will be treated to commentary as to whether he's become Aquaman in a fat suit

this time around. But you can't wrinkle a man with a mullet with comments like, that. That's because Ozzy is the center of SELA, but everyone believing he's in their corner. Ozzy spends the pre-merge making amends with both coach and Ceree for their prior disagreements.

When the post-merge hits, there'll be a lot of questioning from both the players and Ozzie himself as to whether he still got it, but he'll quickly prove the haters wrong when he wins the first individual immunity challenge. It's like that show, Pros vs. Joe's that aired on Spike TV during his heyday.

Does he always go out to the frigging Boneyard, Leanna. Is this always part of it? And beauty and Joe, meet Joe Millionaire on Fox. You know, Pirate Master on CBS. Yeah, I would say, you know, as many mentions of obscure reality TV shows from the mid-200s I love it.

I watch every single one of you're speaking about language. And what I meant is, even if a pro athlete is like 12 years retired, chances are if he puts on a uniform, he can whip you in his home turf. A great pirate master back out. I don't care. I didn't finish the first season.

I'll watch. No, listen, Ozzy's got the hairstyle for it too. Ozzie will find his tribe's idol early in the game,

something he'll keep close to his chest for fear of people trying to do the funniest thing ever and take him out with it in his pocket again. Actually, it's that paranoia that will make him feel

jumpy enough to absolutely waste that first time he doesn't win immunity. Ozzie goes on a journey that in theory should be a shoe in for him to earn

yet another advantage, but a back spasm causes him to surprisingly stumble, losing his vote in the process. Seeing the legend on the ropes, Rizzo leads the charge to take him out, fearing he could idle or challenge Beast his way to the end for a third time. And so for the second time in his survivor career, Ozzy is done in by an emaciated superfan donning a red top,

who hopes that Jeff calls him by a different name. Ever the entrepreneur, Ozzie will open the first ever survivor-themed restaurant in L.A. Think Planet Hollywood combined with the sanctuary. The place will go under two years later after getting sued for copyright infringement. His closest allies were Surian coach and his enemy was Rizzo. You know, Mike, if you just change the names, you could sell these on the Kindle store. I mean, that's how 50 Shades of Gray got started as Twilight fan fiction that they just changed the names. Just changed the names.

You can be published. You can be out there. Survivor ever goes off the air. Maybe I'll try to like spin these together into some sort of oddly perverted web. Your own little can of berry tales. I love it. Do it now. Okay.

Well, mine's not quite sober. boast as Mike's. Never is. I had never is. I had Ozzy making the jury. I did say that Ozzy would enter season 50 fully aware. Everyone knows exactly who he is and how he plays. So he uses that to his advantage, playing up the jungle boy persona.

Just chilling. Jungle man. Jungle man. Yes, I know. Right. Oh, I'm so sorry. Ozzie. Apologies.

Just chill in collecting coconuts. Him and Surrey make a connection early, choosing to let bygones be bygones and further pairing out. up with Christian and Devons. At the merge, Ozzy remains loyal to the CELA numbers and becomes a key shield for Surrey while bigger strategic players take each other out. When the dust settles and those heavy strategic threats are gone, a new threat emerges. Ozzy, king of the immunity challenges.

Realizing no one wants to compete against Ozzy in late stage endurance challenges, the tribe finally bans together to take him out right before the finale. His ally was Suri and his enemy was coached. Okay, well, I have to pass judgment here. And, Leanna, I'm sorry, but you, you were doing really good because you said that Ozzy would show up and everybody would knows exactly how Ozzy plays. Then when you said he would use that to his advantage, that is where you fell apart. The wheels fell off. It's such a, it's such a whiff that the reality you have spun from that point, this alternate world where Ozzy realizes and executes on an advantage is so hard to imagine.

I got to give this one to Mike. Fair. Completely fair. Come on, pros versus Joe's. What is the, Joe and like Jonathan, what is the, and I think it's almost every season now. There's a period at which big men are just, I think, gravitationally drawn to each other. Do you know, you know what I'm saying? Anytime there's up.

And then it's like, you look, the big men have kind of like pulled together somehow. You know, like surface tension or something. There's, and it never lasts because guys, you're all big bent. You're not going to, you know what I mean? Like, that's not how this works. It's like someone's going to start thinking, whatever. But there's always like a brief like, guys, if the four of us just sit together, no one could stop us.

Like, ah, okay, guys, let's try it. It is. It's the gravitational pull. It's because they're so big. They get drawn together. Other people don't want to be near them, but they want to be near other big people. I think it's biological, sincerely. Yeah, I mean, it could be something as simple as like, all right, if I were getting voted out,

I want to pick the people that look most like me so they vote for them instead of me. So it's like from a sure muscle mass perspective, this person could be easily, not easily confused, but like could be associated with me in a way that's like, well, listen, Jonathan's good at challenges, but have you seen Joe? And so it's a way to sibilatously shield yourself while you. yes, perhaps narcissistically trying to bring in those. There's pretty other beefy boys you can target before you target me. You know, they're really super beefy.

I'm just like medium beefy. Yeah, exactly. They're waggoo. Look at me over here. I'm a simple Chuck bros. Leave me alone. I think it's interesting because I think that we saw this also happen, not to like focus too much on Joe,

but we also saw this happen right in 48 as well. Maybe Joe is kind of this central magnet of the beefy boys, especially to try to pull them all together. but the thing is is it doesn't really work out for him so, you know. Does it feel like I'd have to run the numbers and you all probably have,

but I feel like the whole challenge beast identity is not really as much of, I feel like the producers are better at balancing challenges now where you don't have people going on those walls. Literally a lot of challenges are balancing now. Yeah. And I think that you've seen players this season,

especially people who've played a bunch, have worked on their endurance. Like not just like, have like are in better shape like know what they're going to be doing and are like better prepared for it i don't feel like you have at least in recent years people come with that reputation or start to get that reputation but i don't feel like it's narratively like really pops up anymore well yeah think about the fact that two of the biggest quote unquote challenge beasts in the new era are rachel and savannah two people that i think going in you're not like god look out they're

going to make mincemeat of every single individual immunity challenge. I think that... I think Aubrey has comported herself hugely impressively in the challenges. Just like sheer force of will and just being really freaking tough. Like I mean, it's another one who has surprised me. Yeah, freakiness, I think is an underrated factor. That's when she says every time she does well in a challenge. She's like, I'm a freak of nature, Jeff.

That's why I'm doing this. Love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I mean, I certainly think we don't have that anymore as much as a show would want, like, because they did keep talking about, oh, Ozzie. is going to, could he break the record of immunity is? Well, the answer is no. It's like the cop that's one day away from retirement of like, he was so close. And that's when he gets taken down in the line of fire.

Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I do want to ask before we move into our game here, our thoughts on this. I guess it's called the power broker advantage. I do not realize this until Jeff brings it up at tribal council, just like loosely slips it in. I mean, I think my, I don't have as big of like a problem of the concept of it. I do have a problem with it happening at the final nine after we just had Beast Week. I think if you dropped this into a regular season at like the final

12, I do think there is something interesting, Justin, about like having this one person be the sole line of communication and how in theory they could twist that information however they want to to serve both agendas. I mean, again, this is something that is like, I think it's an interesting idea. But I feel like. you're abdicating narrative by it's an interesting idea that these players don't need i feel like to make it interesting like save i i do feel like they shot themselves in the foot a little bit where if they've had a really interesting idea my guess would be if they've had a really interesting

idea for the past few years they've been like let's save that for 50 because it's like it does feel very idea heavy you know in a way that the last seasons i mean i feel like 49 there was almost no effort to say like this is a this is an individual season of TV like it's almost like let's just get through it okay good good okay I like I like 49 but still that is I feel like it's just more ideas in a season where we didn't

meet them yeah I agree I think it's kind of an interesting concept but I just as soon as Jeff announced it I immediately rolled my eyes because I just just let these people interact like uh yeah it's all it's all I want So immediately I was out and immediately judge the twist because I immediately hated it. But Mike,

I can see your point that having it potentially earlier on, maybe in a new B season, like let's play it out and see what it looks like. Because I don't actually hate it that much, but especially with the cast like this, the idea that you need that much, okay, I am going to grasp about that. Give me one minute to complain about this.

And I know how out of line I am complaining about reality TV. I don't know how to make it, never made it my life. I made six episodes of a TV show and then the network got canceled. Not my show, the network. Okay, we got renewed. Seasoned got canceled. But I saw it on having idea

I'm talking about. Just as a fan of TV. So ignore me. I'm sorry. I feel like in the hands of the fans is an abdication of the potential of season 50.

I feel like season 50 you have the best players to ever play. You have narratively this setup. that's like we're going to bring back the best to ever play. In the hands of the fans is saying like, we don't know how to best build a TV show around this.

How would you do it? Because I think what it's saying is like, we don't know how to fulfill the promise of season 50 because we have built it up so much. So what do you all think? And then it's like whatever happens, it's in the hands of the fans. So you can't really blame us if season 50 didn't live up to your expectations

because it's in the hands of the fans. If you're going to do in the hands of the fans, first of all, like, I wasn't asked, you know, so like you got to formalize it a little bit. You got to ask me and everybody. All the fans have got to be questioned. But then, like, make that a season of Survivor where that's an interesting facet that you have to add.

You know what I mean? Like, because I would love freaking do it where it's like, you know, hunger games where, you know, I like this person. I can give them, you know, some gems. They can exchange for coconuts. I don't know. But like you don't need in the hands of the fans with everything else. It just feels like them saying we don't want to be responsible for delivering on this season of TV.

And maybe that's an uncharitable read. But like it is hard in the season where like it's both in the hands of the fans, but then you're inventing a bunch of celebrity idols and stuff, which like if I'm the fans and someone's like, what do you think of the Billy Elish Boomerang Idol? I have no idea what you're talking. Why are you asking you? To be fair, that was Billy Olish's answer as well

on that Amy Pollard podcast. Do you think that Billy Elish was like, you have to promise me you're going to name other idols after other celebrities. Yeah, you think she was the first show. So insane if people say Billy Elish Boomerang Idol

five times a night and not say like some other celebrities. That's the problem though, Justin. The other ones we saw were one time things. So by far the one with the biggest branding this season is the Billy Irish Boring idol. She's become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's really yeah, it's hilarious. But I think you bring up a lot of good points. I mean, I think that when I think about the way they're sort of structuring 50, I think of what they did during season 40 where

there is a lot running on this season that they are really pressured to make it good. They do not want to have a dud returning player season, which we certainly have had in the past, why either they're boring, straightforward votes or, you know, big players get taken out early, and there's a bunch of, like, who players that are left at the end. And so that's why they're throwing in a bunch of things to, like, shake up the status quo. Of course, the irony of that is, like, sometimes it leads to exactly the opposite. Sometimes you're like, well, listen, I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. So let me just vote out this easy person today. You know, this was one of the first times in the post-merge where, like, the vote was not open and shut near unanimous.

But I really liked the idea of, like, some of these concepts should be tried out on newbie seasons. You know, I feel like as a baseball fan, like these new advens that have come to the game are tried out like in minor league stadiums, right? Like they're tried out with smaller teams. You don't just like throw it out in the big leagues immediately and you're like, all right, let's just see what happens.

Like you go through the farm system a little bit. You try things out and you see how it works and then you tweak it and then debut it later on. I feel like that's an easier thing to do than just throw it out to your returning players. And in theory it could work or in execution it might be something that completely ends up having a Christian vote for himself, just absolutely hung out to dry.

Mm-hmm. I think double elimination episodes are almost always a bummer, personally. I feel like it's really hard. I think it's a good example of like Survivor not being a TV show first, because if you go through the tension, an ideal Survivor episode, it's all building to that, right? It shouldn't be a surprise. when you see people pick up the torches,

you should be like, well, that's locked. So let's move on to that. And then there's this like build of tension, climax, done. And that's like, that should be the episode. That's a perfect episode arc. It's beautiful.

You know what I mean? It's part of the problem when they started getting into like weird lengths where it's like there's an elimination in the middle of the episode and then there's like kind of things just meander on for a while. I think if you have an elimination

and then right afterwards, another elimination, just as a viewer, it's like, it's emotionally, you're not in the right. spot. It's exhausting. You know, it's exhausting, I think, to be in tribal council for 25 minutes. I think it's too, it's too much. I don't, I, I, you know, I want to build to an elimination and

that should have like a meaning. If you're going to do two eliminations, do them in one ceremony. You know, I don't know, but like having two back to back, like they don't have two back to back challenges and they don't have two, you know what I mean? Like, they don't have two back to back auctions. Like what you don't, it's just not good TV. Like, you don't want to watch the same thing twice. It's like, emotionally, I don't think it's as satisfying. It is interesting. I'm just thinking back to kind of our discussion regarding the fact that players, Justin, you had mentioned this, that players are just so hyper aware of what their perception is and what their edit is and how they're going to come across that that's really impacting their gameplay. I do feel that somewhat similarly to just like the show of Survivor in general that survivor has this almost weird, like stop paying attention to any of that. Like just throw that away.

Like let's just take a second and let's try to wash away sort of all. all of those really complicated, overthinking elements that are playing into, I think, some of the decision making when it comes to structuring the twists this season. Because I do think that like a back to basics would have just, like, just try it and see. If you're going to try it with any cast,

like this would be the best cast to try it with. Or even like strip a lot of, yeah, just strip that stuff down, let them play Survivor. You know what I mean? Like let them like argue and then try to trick each other. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.

You got the best people to ever play. Like, let them play, you know? Devons' thing was fun. His invented idol was so much more fun because it's Devin's being Devin's and he invented it and it's hilarious. You know, like, it just feels like such a, I, I sympathize with a show having to reinvent itself that must be like a freighter, you know what? or trying to shift that thing.

It must be difficult because it's a huge operation. And everybody who works on it, you know, there's some history that you're inheriting. There's a legacy you're keeping up with. There's like, I'm sure there's a lot of institutional knowledge on like what survivor is and what it can't be and that stuff. So like even the twists, I feel like it's the TV show wanting to make more of good TV the way a TV. show knows how to make TV. So it's like them trying to ensure that the TV show product is entertaining and not maybe trusting that these people are going to make, like, they're going to make new storylines,

but I think that takes more work because you have to find them. And it's maybe not pre-set up, you know, ahead of time. It's a little bit more work to figure out where that TV show is to let people just kind of play and see where they end up. It feels very railroady, I think, to use a D&D term. All right. Well, let's take things off. the rails here. If you want to let the players play, I'm going to let you be the players here,

because I've got quite the game for you. If you could both, please do me the honor of bringing up the cast list for Survivor 50 in your own private stead, because I have a game for you that is essentially a survivor version of the classic Wheel of Fortune game before and after. Thank you to Caitlin for sending this game along to us, but how this basically is going to work, that I'm going to read out a clue, the answer of which will be this sort of hybridized name between a Survivor 50 player, and then the second part will either be the name of a celebrity,

you know, a movie, TV show, etc. As an example, if I were to say a podcasting magnet and New York Times best-selling author gets hungry like all of us, his preference, a fast food restaurant named after the King of the Cowboys, the answer, of course, would be Justin McElroy Rogers. Yeah, that beloved

chain. It's weird. Yeah. Okay. There's one on, there's what, I do pass one on 77. I was wondering if there was a Roy Rogers in your area. And I, yeah, it's, there is, set a rest stop.

I think it's a combination of Roy Rogers, Rbies or something. So what we'll do is I'll read out the question and you each can buzz in, if you want to, going back to those Emily and Rick mouth sounds. If you think you have the answer, Leanna, what is you? You have you can personalize your buzzer.

Do you have a buzzer sound? Ooh, my buzzer sound will be coconuts. Coconuts, I love it. Justin, do you have one? Yeah, it's Ozzy audibly complaining about his own situation. I love that.

Very guttural, very relatable. All right. I love it. Here we go then. Question number one. They're not like us. They were the only tribe of one in survivor history.

But that was just a minor inconvenience. Okay. Oh, okay. Coconuts. So you forgot your buzz in, Leanna. What are you going to have to simplify that? It's going to have to be something else. Okay.

You have to simplify the word coconuts. That's too much, Mike. Too many syllables. Stephanie LaGrosa, Kendrick Lamar. That is correct. Yes, Stephanie LaGroza, Kendrick Lamar. Oh, no. Okay.

I always love when games start with, and I don't know from, or I don't know from one of the players. Very fun sign of things to come. All right. Let's see if we can keep a move with this. Next one. Cheers to this winner returning for Survivor 50. Maybe after this,

they'll be able to start their own radio show. And fun fact, the sitcom they share a name with aired the same year they were born. Oh. Oh. Justin. Kyle Frazier, Frazier. Yes.

You know what I'll call Frazier Frazier. I think they wrote Kyle Frazier Crayne, but I think that's the same thing. Yeah, I'll admit that was a little bit of a... Fair enough. Frazier is the name of the TV show, so I'm just trying to be a purist. As someone who is intimately follows your work, Justin, I will admit this was a little bit of a layup for you. So I was happy to provide it. All right, next up here.

Both this player and film are considered iconic in their own rights. And they're always happy to play ball. When it comes to making plans, they always hit it out of the park, knowing if you build it, they will come. Oh, um, coconuts, coconuts, three fields of dreams. That is correct? That's great. All right. Next up, a former disaster tribe artist is dreaming of a white Christmas if it's not canceled by their frenemy first.

I will admit this is a tougher one. Can you read it again? Sure. A former disaster tribe artist is dreaming of a white Christmas if it's not canceled by their frenemy first. Is it Mike White Christmas? Is it Mike White Christmas?

Yeah. It sounds like a little Tim Allen-esque, but no, that is not correct. Oh, wait, not? Yeah. What? Do you have a hit? Let me see if I can give you a hint.

Let's see. They would love to spend a holiday in Ponderosa with some of their friends they made over the season. Who? Who? Who. I got nothing. All right. We'll pass on both ends here.

The answer is Tiffany Irving, Berlin. That was never going to happen. It was a good. Yeah. It was great. That was great. I'm glad I was. Thank you.

Passing was the right call. Yeah. Listen, you got to know one to hold them. No one to fold them. All right. Next up, the biggest person on the island this season has the same ego as the little guy in this hit CBS pre-coconuts.

Yes. Coconut. Jonathan Young Sheldon. That is. Sorry, my sound there was not buzzing in and it was discussed with myself for not buzzing in earlier about young Sheldon. I am very surprised that young Sheldon has not did not show up with his own advantage here. Honestly, same.

Him and Elspeth. What are they doing? Guys, get it together. They should show up in the lower third, but she's not peeking in on the festivities the way she has in the past. Survivor is the only reason I know that they did a spin-off of the young Sheldon show that's a sitcom, and I guess we're just going to go forever. It's, I mean, literally.

I guess we're going to go forever. I hope at the end of it, they give birth to another Sheldon. And they just start again. That'll be so shit. I love that idea. And to every generation, as Sheldon is born. It is really the only CBS I watch

at all. So it's like every time it's like, Hawaii 5-0? Like, what are we doing? You know, like Magnum PI is back? Are we okay? I don't think that's entirely out of the ordinary for our generation.

So I do wonder if like CBS really had a certain mind. They could like make fake commercials for fake shows and put them in occasionally just to really throw up people. It's like, what are they putting on nowadays? Mattlock is a good one. Leanna. The Matlock is the classic pole of like, is this Matlock? Well, I guess it looks about right.

It's on. It's on. That's what I can say for it. All right. Next up here, Leanna's out to a lead right now, but there's still time to catch up. Both of these people were known for exploring unknown lands, whether it be the beaches of Borneo or the forests of the

Louisiana purchase. Both of them also probably had a tough time getting messages from home. Justin's got it. Jen Lewis and Quark. That is correct. There we go. I love that. All right. Next up, both of these guys know a little something about cheating death.

Though they were brought to the edge of extinction, they made sure it wasn't their final destination. But they also have a tendency to get ghosted once or twice. I will say, I am very proud of this one personally. Sure, of course. both of these guys I feel like the answer's going to irritate me so I'm trying to brace myself

I know yeah brace for impact both of these guys are a little something about cheating death though they were brought to the edge of extinction they made sure it wasn't their

final destination but they also have a chance yes Justin Mike I take it back it's freaking choice it's Rick Devonsawa that is correct

it's actually so good actually I take it back it's really good and you just deserve a medal. If there's a medal for what you do, you deserve it. Oh, my God. All right. Heroic. All right. Well, one last

one for you. Should have gone. Oh, oh, Mike, I take it back. Should have gone out with him. I know. A lot of pressure to put on yourself. All right. Give this financial... Like, you could still put it in the hands of the fans. There's still time. Just put this one in the hands of the fans. I don't have it. Too much pressure. 63% voted as to whether I should end the game or not.

Give you one more chance here. People voted for an auction. No kidding. No kidding. People won't win for an auction. So glad we put that true vote. The trite swap. Wow. Completely blindsided us with wanting that to happen. Give this financial analyst

a glass of wine and she might put on a magic show. But don't let that fool us. She's a real contender. Even if she's silent about half the time. I don't know the second part. The second part. It's, I'm, wait, it's, come on, man, it's right there.

Justin, just say that right thing. Can you read it again? Sure. Give this financial analyst a glass of wine and she might put on a magic show. But don't let that fool us. She's a real contender, even if she only talks half the time. Justin. Emily Flippin and tell her.

That is correct. For the win. Oh, my brain could only think of David Blaine. And I was just like, that's not right. I get that for a whole week sometimes, Leon, I don't feel bad. It is a medical condition and no one can make you feel bad about Blaineitis. It is a problem. They call it a my brain.

I spent three days trying to levitate. That's how bad I had it worked. I don't feel bad. Well, I have felt positively off the ground, getting to hear you all rack your brain, try to cover this. So congratulations, Justin, for taking home the win here. a master of the before and after. We love it.

Well, I will leave the ball in your court here because at the end of the B&B every week, we put the spotlight on our guest to highlight a charity or cause that might be important to them. Last time you were on a couple years ago, you highlighted the Huntington Children's Museum. Would you like to go back to that well? Is there any other charity or cause you'd like to highlight today? I will point people towards Harmony House. It is a place where my wife, Sydney, works, and it is a shelter for people experiencing homelessness. If you go to Harmonyhousew.b.com, it is a really incredible.

I mean, even if you just go to see some of the stories, they change a lot of people's lives. And they're always looking for a little extra help. So if you go to Harmonyhousew.w.com, you can donate there. Incredibly well said. Justin, thank you so much for coming on. This was- It is my favorite. I love doing this show.

Oh, my God. Likewise. I feel happy. Thank you for coming on and offering all of your insights into this episode. I sincerely would like to apologize to you and Leanna and your listeners. If I have monopolized the conversation, I get really excited to talk about Survivor. And I sometimes worry on this show that I,

I bloviate too much. So apologies if I, if I have monopolized too much. No, absolutely not. Justin, I will cede any and all of my time to get to hear your fantastic insight. So please do not fret.

This was such a fantastic time. And of course, if people want to hear you talk even more, if you made a whole career out of it, in fact. If people want to check out all the variety of great shows you have out there in the podcast ether, how can they do so? You know, honestly, a great place to start anymore is by going to YouTube and searching for McElroy family. A lot of our clips are there.

We stream pretty much every day anymore. We're streaming different video games and stuff like that. We do a weekly show Tuesdays at noon called Superman. Mathory Brothers, where we're currently doing Dark Souls, where the six of us have split up one character. So I'm the arms, and Griffin is the legs, and Travis is the head. So we're playing through Dark Souls that way. It's really, it's called Sixthumb, and Heart.

And we've done some platformers like this, but we've never done a game like Dark Souls, and it is hard. So that's, I check it totally up. Do you think maybe that's what happened to Ozzy is that like one player was operating, like his brain, the other one was operating, the hands going into the pocket to grab the idol and that's what led to that discrepancy. You know, Mike, there's got to be an excuse somewhere. He pet ties his shoes. You know, there's got to be some excuse somewhere.

He gets himself to the airport to get on the show, you know, so there must be some excuse. Well, listen, I will take ending in all excuse to get the chance to talk with you, Justin. This was such a fun way to break down. A very fun episode. even if you know, you have your druthers about, you know, the way it came. And this might have been my favorite episode of the show, not the show, the season so far.

It sets up a lot for what's going to come in the next couple of weeks. We still have seven people, but we still only have like four or five days left in the game. And clearly with Ozzy, sort of the communal target being gone, I think that opens things up considerably to see where we go from here. Justin, real quick, who is your winner pick right now? Who do you think is going to take home the $2 million in two weeks time? Surrey. I don't bet against Sarii

I can I make it Hey hands of the fans real quick quick request Hands of the fans Can we not do the thing in the last episode Where we spend 40 minutes watching people Who have already been eliminated And looking at pictures of them And flags with their names on it can we not

It is my I fast forward 25 years I fast forwarded through that part Jeff Please stop putting it in I've never watched it Please it sucks It's so boring I just want to see the last thing please don't do that part anymore.

They got eliminated. They don't deserve more TV time. We know who all these gibronies are. It's 50. Please don't make me go to their funerals. I beg you. It's going to, got y'all, I'm saying it now. It's going to be 45 minutes.

It's going to be impossible. It's already in the can. You know what I mean? Like, I can't change it now. It's not the end of my fans. It's like to lose Angelina. But remember when Angelina was first on Survivor? We have a clip.

Here's a video of this player's family coming over to Ellis. Let's go back. All right. Well, next week at least, we shall see how many torches are laid down in the path to the finale. Of course, check out the Puyah and Leanna Lounge for Leana. Check out my interviews with Emily and with Ozzy,

both incredibly insightful over at praise. There's all the other malarkey we've got going on here on RHAP. And thanks to everyone who came out to the live show as well. We had a big crowd of 1,500 people in New York watching this episode. Yeah, it was when Surrey played that extra vote, it was the closest thing I think we've ever seen to like reality TV fans having some sort of like sports

like ovation. Can you imagine watching the Devons thing live with people? The place would have burned down. You would have been kicked out. Oh my God. It would have burned it down. But it was so much fun. Thank you to everyone who came out, especially those of you who spoke with me after the fact, talked about how much they love the B&B. It really does mean a lot and hopefully we'll keep on producing enjoyable content in time memoriam until, you know, Ozzie comes back and gets voted out with an idol for it. the umpdeenth time. But for now,

we're going to leave this podcast in your pockets, much like Ozzie's Idol and come back next week with more Survivor Fun and Games. Thank you to everyone behind the seats at RJP for editing this podcast for your eyes and ears and Wolf from America for his fantastic theme song. That is more beautiful to hear

on the ears than Surrey surviving via an extra vote. We'll be back next week covering the penultimate episode of Survivor 50. Until then, everybody. We'll check you out at your next day. B.