RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 B&B Ep 2 Recap w/ Andy Rueda

Episode Date: March 8, 2026

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In so many ways but this episode is far from crappy in my opinion as we got a lot of drama to sit through and comedy as well. And I'm so thrilled to be joined by two fantastic people to break it all down with. First, someone whose style, I certainly cramp the way coach's legs cramped up in the water. It's Leanna Boris. Leona, how are you? I'm doing well. You saved my life, Mike.

There were all those other support people out there, but really I would have died if it wasn't for you. Which is interesting, yeah, because in the marooning, actually, I think I talked about this in the article I wrote, but coach did like shout out everyone in the crew. He's like, you're the true warriors. And so I love here. He's like, no, I'm immersed in the game. Who's what's a safety swimmer? Jonathan is the one who's, you know, life I owe myself to, literally. Yeah. But I look, this was such a fun episode. I really, really enjoyed it. I think because we got so much at camp, we got so much of just, again, everybody interacting, which is what I've been wanting to see. So it just, It fills my heart with joy and I can't wait to talk about it. Well, my heart is even fuller with joy knowing that this man will be joining us, one of the standouts of Survivor 47. And look, this episode ended with quite the fake idol ruse. And this is a man who knows a thing or two about that. It is the one, the only Andy Radha.

Hey, how's it going? Yes. Thank you so much for having me on the B&B. This is such a fun venue to talk about Survivor 50 so far. It's been such a great start through two episodes, but particularly it's been so fun. So maybe they were cooking. This was part of the theme of Survivor 50.

They wanted to be fun. They wanted to be a celebration. I think so far it's kind of hit its upside in terms of that. There's a lot of really cool stuff to talk about. I'm just happy to be here. Yeah, well, we're so happy to have you. And Kyle got Medi back. So it's also dangerous fun.

So that was the low note for sure. But, you know, he came out looking like a hero. I was. watching that in Brooklyn. So there was some Kyle put together something for the premiere. You know, he got his flower. So he's doing great.

He's on the men. Was he like just like running back and forth and jumping off the walls after and having to be like, I'm all right now. I'm imagining like that sequence from singing in the rain where he like runs off the wall and does a flip. Not quite, but he's spry. He's looking spry.

He's, go look at his Instagram. He's like back in the gym. Everything's going well. So glad I worked out in that sense. I wish we could have seen him actually play because he was really on to something. He was playing a really great game.

Yeah. In the four days he was there. And what he leaves in his wake is a lot of chaos. Rizzo has simultaneously replaced him in the alliance. It also irked the same people within that alliance with his lack of work ethic. But I think really the centerpiece of this episode, Andy, is kind of like all things Christian Hubecki, right?

It starts the episode with maybe one of the most mortifying sequences I've seen in quite some time on Survivor. But then after that, he's finding the idol. He's giving it to Aubrey Brocko, him and Rick form this entire fake idol plan. He's the one that seemingly lets this Savannah thing get across the line. So I'm intrigued to get your thoughts because I know you are someone who absolutely loves all things, Christian. What were your thoughts about him in this episode? Yeah, I have just been like of the 24 people, people on the cast, like Christian is like really in the top tier of people I've not only excited

to see, but like we've been anticipating him coming back. No one, almost no one off the top of my head has felt like such a lot since his first time. And it's for a good reason. Like he's so compelling no matter what he's doing. He's like one of the best confessionalists, honestly, ever. Especially this one where you know what it struck me about this first scene, which well, first of all, he could have used it, a baby. product.

I was going to say, listen. You could have used that out there. But what was great is like he made it very fun and funny, but he also like, I don't know if this is like, like he handled it with a lot of dignity because it's kind of like a very undignified moment.

I think that there are other people who would have handled it a lot worse when it came to playing it off. I think it's funny, but it's like, I'm like really not joking when I say this is like a good testament to social game where it's like, you know, there are a lot of players who would have that would happen to,

and then their perception as a player could kind of go in the tank, but he's doing really, really well. Yeah, not only that. I mean, he went from Joe besides himself in tears, laughing about him pooping his pants, to like him being Joe's on island therapist. Yeah, it was like kind of like a, if you're going to crap your pants,

It was like an OTTP edit of pantscraft. It really really was. They kind of gave me shades of Cochran in Caramoland, the particular scene with the sunburn. Where it was kind of like in a similar vein, but it was like, we're showing the scene of this person going through this, but it's like, wow, look at how good their social game is that people are responding to it in like a fun way. That's such a great point. And I love that you bring up that it was basically a positive edit for him because, oh, man. do they love the dodo music and we didn't really get that. Or the doo-doo music.

The doo-do, yeah, exactly. You got to rename it now. And they didn't give him any of the doo-doo music. So that's amazing in and of itself. If anybody can pull off pooping themselves on television and still come across, like you said, with dignity and like somehow endearing, like even more so. Now I'm like, oh, my God, I love him even more. I didn't even realize that was possible.

And it happened through, you know, such a bizarre set of circumstances. But it was just the whole segment was so funny. so surreal, but also, yeah, it says so much about Christian as a player as on the island, as well as Christian as a player that we view, right, from our perception as the audience.

I mean, when you have, even his response to when he's going through it, you know, when things were bubbling in a manner speaking, and Joe's like, you're good? I think 99% of people will be like, uh, not really. I'll be right back.

Christian does this agonizing wince and says, I'll let you know, and I know. Yeah. Who responds with that? Only Christian Hubicki. It was a pure Christian moment. It was great.

Yeah. He has got this way about him where it's like, it's kind of like awkwardness that in a special way where it's not awkward and it's like super charming. It's kind of like the playing in the sand moment. Like he just has a very unique way about him and it's like just very very likable. he's such he's such a role model for showing up authentically as yourself like when i look at christian i'm like that like i i wish that i could be that comfortable with me and who i am and i think we just the way he yeah the way he holds himself the way he approaches the situation

and then him you know to the camera being like you don't want to follow me of course the camera just going all along that also i think comes with a returning player season that like not to say okay i know the crew more intimately but like i think it's very very clear that these players, especially people like Rick and Christian, have an even more growing familiarity and friendliness with the camera. So I think they're more, I'm sure Andy,

you get talked about of like, don't look at the camera, don't acknowledge the people that are there. But like the fourth wall has been demolished, especially in a returning player season like this. That's, and we can get into like also their game player, right? And we'll get into that later. But I think that is really a hallmark of a returning player season. And what makes it super exciting is

that everyone comes in and they are, they have learned the ropes already in all ways. So their gameplay gets more creative and their relationship with the camera and the audience gets more creative as well. So my hope is that as 50 develops, we just see more and more and more of that and just like players really like getting in their bag of tricks

and just really taking advantage of this insane opportunity, which is being out 50. Yeah, I mean, Leanna, how many times did we see someone help her to the camera? Like Mike White got it once. Rick got it a couple of times, which again, I feel like they almost never do. But here they're like, yeah, you know what you're here for. It's okay. You could look at us in the eye or I guess look at the audience and like the communal eye

in the form of the camera lens. Yeah. I think also what like what's the goal of 50, right? Like you're trying to create the most entertaining product possible. And I think some of those rules, right, kind of go. little bit out the window, especially for both the players as well as for the editing team, I'm sure. So they want to connect, right? These are people we know. Yeah, I'm glad you bring that up because something got pointed out on social media. That is so good where after the whole coach

Matt Chat and listen, we are talking with someone who is maybe the master of a Matt Chat, Chalingua. And so when coach decides to really just lay it out out there in the open and Jeff, you know, delightfully responds like, look what we've got, look what Survivor for to provide, a vote out an evacuation or like tarnishing your reputation and it did cut to Christian when they said the word evacuation see multiple times

I love that yeah those are those are moments that are just like so truly beautiful I just love the incorporation of that but I mean think about so that that coach Ozzy moment also like that was I mean Jeff teed that up

so beautifully and coach and Ozzy ran with it And like that almost little microcosm is like, this is why I love Survivor so much. Like, yeah, producers are going to put people or maybe say something. Jeff might say a couple things to kind of, you know, suggest a certain line of logic. But people who really like pick it up and run with it, it's just such a joy to watch and makes for absolutely fabulous television. That's a cool observation. Because like from my perspective watching it is kind of like Jeff was talking about something completely different.

and then coach and Ozzy like a coach in particular we got to make this about what I'm feeling right now we're talking about they were talking about Kyle's injury and coach is like yeah yeah Kyle like but I have to set the record straight and so that is amazing because it was it was a beautiful A to C where it was yeah talking about Kyle's injury and then Ozzie just happens to mention yeah I mean I'm pretty injured too I hurt my back Jeff's like oh about that oh let's touch upon that coach anything you want to comment

and then he's off to the races. It's so fun. It's even more fun to watch people like Emily and Dee respond to it where it's just them wide-eyed staring forward like they're listening to a couple argue on the subway of just like, I am not going to engage, but I am entertained right now. And I love that this was aired out.

And it'll be really interesting, you know, not to spoil too much about the swap tribes. Those two more are not on a swap tribes. They won't be meeting up anytime soon. But I don't know, Andy, do you really think that like this is officially a bridge burn, considering that we even get this like one-two punch of coach saying, this is the same coach that I've been playing as for the past 101 days. And I says, like, yeah, I think he's playing the way he did in South Pacific when he burned me and got burned for it.

Yeah, there's a lot. Well, first of all, when Camilla and D were making those expressions, I totally could feel that. Because just imagine being standing there, right? Because you're like a new era player. You've only played once. You're at this match at. Not only is this conversation absurd, but you're just like, this is coach, Ben and Pose Wade and Ozzie fighting about this. And I'm just standing here listening to it.

That would be one of those surreal moments of being on 50 as a new era player. But it's so cool and satisfying that this storyline is happening just because this is what you get when you have 49 seasons of lore. And then that can play out and develop on season 50. but I my girlfriend Shannon and I recap the South Pacific finale and re-aired before the premiere and you know honestly you know it's like that episode isn't one of the top 10 most memorable moments in Survivor History in my opinion although it's a great one but it is the perfect kind of setup for what we're seeing on 50 so I would kind of maybe go look at the other episodes that they chose because they're

probably going to pay off for specific storylines in 50 but but it's such a fascinating relationship with coach and Ozzie, starting from South Pacific, their storyline there, the finale going into this. I think that, I don't know, there's,

these are two people with very, very interesting psyches. It's like, I don't know what you think about, like, what is it about Ozzie that, I guess, rubs coach such the wrong way.

Like, like, why can't they be on, the same page about anything. It's, it's fascinating. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, certainly, I think like on on paper, I think you can make an argument that it's like, yeah, it makes sense that they would want to work together, right? Coach preaches loyalty. Ozzy kind of makes sense. Like, yeah, he would be in with the loyalty game. Sure. I think it goes down to the little micro actions and really like especially looking at coach, right? Coach and coaches, I don't want to say

inconsistencies because I do. think he's been consistently inconsistent in the way that he's preaching with, you know, basically lining up what he's saying he's doing and then what his actions actually demonstrate. And I think that that's where the majority of the conflict comes from.

And I mean, that has surrounded coach, not just with Ozzy, but also with other players and even with Jeff. Yeah, I think I think that's it. I think it's less so about Ozzy and maybe more so what Ozzy represents, which is like him being the living example of that one slip

of a moment in Heroes versus Villains where Boston Rob calls him a little man. Like I think Coach feels that Ozzy is dishonoring him in bringing this up, which is why he is so adamant. And also this is a lot of like stewing in hearsay right, that coach gets word through

Mike White about what Ozzy has been saying. It's like, I've got to set the record straight. I've got to let everybody know what this is. And so it causes him to, I think, have this very adverse reaction because it is this idea of like, no, I am who I say I am and if you claim that I'm not, that hurts me even more than perhaps blindsiding me.

Right. Yeah. It's electric having the two of them together. I mean, they had no history going into South Pacifics. I don't know what the producers were like. That's the wild thing is like, yes, if you see the fact that these two had absolutely no connection, this was not a Rob versus Russell thing, but I would argue nowadays, there aren't even fiery rivalry to, you know, outstout kick Rob versus Russell at this point. I think there's more bad blood between them, certainly in 2026 than there were between those two guys. Yep. This is one of the really cool storylines between two

people that I hope, you know, they both make it to the merge or like whatever in the future so that we can really really see it develop and pay off. I think another one is Genevieve and Aubrey. I think they're spending a lot of screen time with them. Very fascinating as well. I don't know.

Well, yeah, we do get the incredible irony of this all, where they go through Aubrey's bag so meticulously yet perhaps controversially, depending on who you ask. And they're like, she definitely doesn't have the idol. If they waited maybe 10 minutes later,

that would not be the case. Like the irony of all ironies that she is, and I talked about this. I think she may have this like Amanda Kimmel and Micronesia moment, Leanna, where she's like, you think I didn't have an idol, but I didn't have it then,

and now I do, which makes it even more delicious. No, it's so beautiful. It reminds me of some of the knowledge is power moments where we see people hand it off, you know, or like with Stephen from last season where it's like, well, I did, but I already played it. But almost like that in reverse, right? I think that I think that's going to be very fun whenever that comes up. I'm really, really hoping that whenever she ends up, hopefully she has the opportunity to play it. Otherwise, I suppose I wouldn't be too upset of a boomerang back to Christian.

but still, if Aubrey gets to play it, right, I really want someone from that group that went through her bag to be there to just be jaws on the floor, absolutely gobsmacked. I know I certainly would be. Genevieve had a premonition. She saw a speaker.

It was an absolute moment. It's kind of misleading, you know? And to be air, she had experienced the boomerang idol herself, so maybe she thought, and that's also got to be such a trippy thing, too, when you find this thing is, A, assuming that all the other tribes have it, and B, now trying to match.

through, okay, who would they pick on my tribe if I was someone on another tribe? Who's most likely to find an idol on SELA? And who would they pick from this? I imagine this is something that you try to largely write off because you're going to drive yourself crazy and there's a million and a half other things to concentrate on Survivor.

But I would not put it past Genevieve to do this like 5D chess trying to figure this out. She's a detective, you know what I mean? She's very, very thorough. And it's funny because she was right in the sense that she assumed that there would be a Billy Islandish boomering idol in every tribe. Honestly, I would have probably been wrong, and I would have guessed something else. I would have assumed they would want to turn up the chaos and do like a different celebrity

with a different advantage on each of the tribes. That really would have been my guess. But they're a free boomering idol. So like that really does mean the Billy Eilish boomerang idol type three is really going to like define a lot of the advantage play in the pre-merge. Very, very interesting. I thought I also loved, I love Christian finding it and deliberating who he was going to send it to. And I really like this montage where it like cut between Aubrey and Christian.

It was like this cool. Like I don't know if it was a Star Trek reference. It was very adventuring. It kind of, which is not what I expected from the Billy out of the shadow. And what's interesting is that this has happened actually a couple times with Christian. I remember in the first episode, what they really like to do is cut from someone's confessional to Christians confessional, which is a rare name they do in editing. But last episode, it was Rick talking about

how much he loves Christian and then it cuts to Christian being like, who does love Rick Devons? The pride of making Georgia. Where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be. This winter, stay warm.

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Godspeed Aubrey Brocko moment. With Hillary, Julie Chen Moonvez coded, perhaps unintentionally so. Certainly from Christian's perspective. So, yeah, it's this odd thing where like they're using Christian as sort of like a beat at the end of the sentence of like, and Christian, what do you have to say

about that? It speaks to that narrator role that he has certainly been embellishing even more this season. Yeah, well, and I think Aubrey's reception of the idol also was super powerful. Like we now know, you know, she's felt like she's on the outs. She's the one that doesn't belong. She feels isolated. She feels alone.

And it's not just that she found an idol. I mean, she didn't find an idol. But it's not that just that she got an idol. It's that somebody gifted her that idol. So she's got to feel like there's somebody out there that cares about me. Like I might not have those connections here on this tribe, but there's somebody out there who cares about me. I mean, she doesn't know that if she gets voted out, it gets boomeranged back.

But like she feels, right, that, oh, somebody cares enough about me to support me and to want to give me an advantage in this game. And so I think that that, Andy, to your point, is where some of that emotion also came from because you see Aubrey just be so grateful for having received the Billy Ilish boomerang idol. Yeah. Should we abbreviate that, the B, B, B, E, Bibi. Bibi.

Bibi. Yeah. The baby, yeah. The baby, yeah. The baby, yeah. too. Well, of course, while we're talking about conflict. Oh, please.

Hold on. I have a technical logistical question about the Bibby, Bibby. So, Calo didn't find one, right? So, in, let's assume there's a tribe swap, right?

And will, it's, do you think it'll still be there on the Collo Beach? Or do you think now it's like, okay, that was just for the first little bit? And now we're Dunzo? My guess is that it's going to stay on the Kalo Beach. With those type of really low-level logistical things, I don't know if there's like pure consistency. Not like it's just, I think they have got a Bible like very specific scenarios that they map out. So you can't really

completely predict if that's going to be the case. I don't think. But yeah, that would be my guess. I think that tracks. That's what I would imagine as well. Yeah, I think that's the case. And I think it is interesting. And I don't think this is going to be the only idols that exist throughout the premers. But it would be interesting if they're saying, okay, the premurge idols this season are cross-tribal idols. They're idols that, yes, you find, but you have to give to somebody else. I kind of like that wrinkle because, again, that builds in cross-tribal components,

which are one of my favorite elements of the premurge. It builds in like, okay, let's make some relationships either prosper or make you actively target them when it comes to a swap or a merge scenario. And I think it also serves to keep them a little bit on their toes. Hey, you want a dynamic advantages. Here's that dynamics coming out to get you. And the players that find the boomerang idol, they have a much richer set of data to go off to make decisions

or as if they try this out on a new player season. It's just kind of like, oh, what do I know from this person from Matt chats? Yeah. That's a great one on boomerang idol. But you just be like, I don't know their names. Like, I don't know, that guy. Am I going to give it to? But in 50s, they can just think of every player in their history and their reputation.

Yeah. Position they might be on the tribe. So that makes it really cool. Well, you mentioned reputation. Let's talk about. Wait, I'm not gone. Oh, my God, Leona. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Okay. So, okay, now that we've, let's assume that that's the case. I'm building an argument. No, listen, I'm here for it. I'm seated. Let's say hypothetically, okay, Vatu and. and Sela both find their boomerang idols.

And let's say both of them choose to give it to someone on the Kalo Beach, the same person. Because theoretically, they could be giving it to the same person, right? Okay. So let's say they both go to, I don't know, pick somebody, coach just for funsies. They both give their idols to coach. Then coach gets swapped to, I don't know, the Vatutra beach, right? And then someone on the Kalo Beach gives it to coach. Like there's a universe.

I'm just saying hypothetically where somebody could end up with three Billy Elish boomerang idols. But then they would all vote him out so that they get read. That's the thing. I think they would have to put the notes together and be like,

it can be literally everyone being like, okay, we all know he has three idols because even if he uses one, now that's the other thing too. Let's say he uses one and he gets voted out with two. Who are the two people who get the idol? Yeah, that's a good point.

It is it depends on which one he uses. I don't know. I'm just saying that there's some interesting. logistics there and that is my entire little in the weeds point that I wanted to make my doing transitions away. Oh, that's the point. I didn't look closely. I imagine not because I feel like

that would give too much away. Like, do you want to know which tribe you got the idol from? Yeah, okay. Because if, yeah, if Aubrey's looking at it and then it's like, oh, this is actually mostly orange, that's interesting. I wonder and then at least it narrows it down to a smaller pool of people that could have

potentially given it to you, I suppose. I always my favorite advantage that no one else on earth cares about is the inheritance. Ooh. What if I just want to go another level deep. So what if, all right,

coach has three boomerang idols. And then, well, and then someone plays the inheritance advantage. Oh, no, but okay, so you have to play the idol for that to even matter, right?

Yeah. It's not if you get voted out with it. It comes back to you. It's you have to actually play it for it to come back. I just want there to be like a scenario that's so ridiculous that like lawyers have to get together and figure out what the rules are. Okay, wait, if it's knowledge is power and you're like, coach, I think you have an idol, give me your idol. He says which one?

And then yeah, then he says it. Yeah, but then again, it goes back to the issue of then who do things boomerang back to if they have multiple, right? Because then it's like, oh, this is actually the Christian idol. Well, that's interesting, though, because wasn't the rule that Ozzie cannot play that idol on anybody else. Well, you have to play for himself. So I guess if it's forcibly taken from you, it has to be played on whoever holds it no matter what. But let's say if let's say

Genevieve finds a knowledge as power, could she just say, Ozzie, I know you have an idol. You have to give it to me, right? Because it's not like he's, I mean, maybe he could have done a little bit,

because it's like the Surrey, non-transferable, like someone guys could hold onto the idol. They just can't use it. So that would be the way to sort of escape that loophole. otherwise she would kind of have Ozzy trapped, no? I love this very specific set of circumstances. But that's what true.

But I think that also, Mike, that brings up the point of why with like the combination of advantages matters when you're playing Survivor because of the, and I think we talked about this, especially with the when you had to say the code word or like some of these more public idols, then the knowledge is power or something along those lines has, you know, a different, has almost more impact as a consequence because those idols were no longer hidden.

So, yeah, I'm going to be curious with these dynamic idols or the dynamic advantages, sorry, that we're having with this season, how the combination of the dynamics are going to play together. Because if things are like more crazy than normal, I wonder what that's going to ultimately result in. Surrey goes, I'm just saying if Surrey goes out because of advantage, get in. Hey, she has an advantage this time. I know. For her first time, that was so sweet. I can believe it was her first time. I missed that.

I mean, to be fair, so you think about three out of the five season she's played in so far, and, you know, Exile Island only had the idol. Micronesia only had idols. Heroes versus villains only had idols. Game changers, again, technically speaking, she did have her hands under an advantage, and she did

try to use it as her own. It was just Trojan, budding in, ruining all of our fun. So I'm glad to finally history righted itself this time. Speaking of the fine print, my hope, because, okay, obviously we're getting these dynamic advantages. I'm not anti-a-bunch of new advantages per se. Because I do like thinking about like when a new advantage comes into play,

we do have a lot of fun dissecting like in a house. Yeah. Like what are the scenarios? Like how's a player going to approach this? My hope, if they get really sort of, they have fine print, I really want the producers to like really let the players know the extent of the rules. because my favorite thing with games is like the players do have a deep understanding of all the rules.

They won't be blindsided by like technicalities so that they can really think through it themselves and like come up with the right move. So that's my hope. No, I could not agree more. That's what my general like pet peeves when it comes to game design is like a lot of shows, not even just Survivor in general would prefer to create like the face crack of the century surprise moments instead of like creating environments that are a, and be actually give players more license to like be creative. Like we have Chrissy on this season. Let's talk about the way they rolled out Final Four firemaking,

which was to only reveal it at the last possible minute. Yes, it gets this fun moment of Chrissy gasping as she's reading the note. But think about how much more for lack of better term dynamic that season could be. If you know how it's going to end that structural change and you say, okay, now knowing this, how am I going to adjust my strategies rather than, oh, well, Well, okay, I guess I got to sort of ramshackle something together now that we're just completely upending the way the penultimate round of the show works.

100%. Just this for Chrissy, by the way. Christian's getting hero music for sharding. Chrissy's getting boto music for helping people. I'm so excited for Chrissy. We've got to see, we got to see. You know, there are 24 people in the cast, so I think a lot of these people are not getting the edit

that they're used to yet. But hopefully, hopefully. Yeah. It is a little bit tough. there were a lot of people. I mean, Chrissy's content aside, which like, poor thing. It's like, she's just trying to help guys. Like, and just trying to lead and like make sure you guys have things.

But, um, but yeah, I feel, I do feel bad for people like Tiffany, people like Camilla, you know, people who just like we're getting absolutely nothing from, which I'm hoping that there'll be more opportunities later on. Yeah, I think the swap will certainly help. I mean, it's always tough when you are a tribe that does not go to tribal council on the pre-merge. And that's the other thing too is like, it's weird to think about, but we've only been through two tribal councils and we're already swapping things up,

which maybe is a bit of a sign to come as to like how the producers are intending to kind of keep everybody on their toes. So, I mean, there really wasn't any collo content outside of coach, nearly drowning and Chrissy, apparently getting on people's nerves for momming them too much. Well, speaking of getting on people's nerves, it's about time we finally talk about this.

We need to talk about, Rick v. Joe, because I don't know. You tell me, Andy, if you're going through a list of these 24 players and you're like, who are the two people that are most likely to squabble on the beach? I feel like Rick might be higher up on the list than Joe, but they are certainly

in the back half of players this season. I disagree. I feel like both are going to mix it up with people. I think that's part of their, there was their first time of their games. And I also would not necessarily have predicted that they would get along Super Bowl either. So if it comes to like all the combinations, all the all the pairs that could possibly exist on Survivor 50, I would put this duo in the top quarter of.

Oh, wow. Could they have could they be squabbling? But it's been really great. It's been dynamic. I mean, we're getting so much from this orange tribe. And this kerfuffle was like, there's a lot. So, all right, here's my, here's my take on. I think.

I think potentially. Joe is suffering from being the last season that's aired in this particular scenario. And not just because he's recent, but the whole vibe of Survivor 48 and his central place in it. I think because of that, it's just so top of mind for the players that are playing with him. And I think as a result, this is just my opinion on the couch, I guess.

But like, I think there's just kind of this miscalibration. I think they're kind of misunderstanding, Joe. I think because he's very open about where his head is at going into 50. From what I could tell, he just doesn't want to like look like a clown again or whatever. Like, oh, I got wedged by Kyle and Camilla. I think that's where his head is at. That's where his emotions are at.

And so this happens. And Rick and all the other tribe members are very quick to be like, oh, it's just because he doesn't like lying on Survivor. So like, we can't even play with this guy. Like because, you know, he's just wants everyone to tell. a truth. I don't know if that's where he's coming from. I think he just is like, hey, you guys are trying to make me look stupid again. Like, why are you doing that? I think that core misunderstanding has started this. I really like that interpretation. I think we've also heard Joe say that multiple times. So I think there's a lot of evidence to support that as well. I think for me, if like, so I, you know,

I don't know. Maybe this is just also my communication style of being very direct. But like, I loved when Joe at the water well was just like, so are you? talking about like I love that I think that there's also on top of what you're saying Andy in terms of Joe's like personal perspective that he is coming into the game with based on his previous season I think there's also some underlying assumptions that people like maybe Rick Devon well Rick Devons especially Christian maybe you can add more people to that pile some assumptions that people make about behaviors within the game and what is just normal acceptable behaviors. So one assumption about Survivor is we know we're all going to lie to each other, right? And I think

that people like Devons have a little bit more flexibility with like being like, okay, yeah, they're trying to lie to me. But like, I'm not going to bother with that right now because I know they're lying to me. Let's go on and do other things. Whereas I feel like Joe from his perspective is like, yeah, people are going to lie to me. But if you're working with me, why would you lie to me? Right. If you're saying you're going to work with me, you shouldn't be lying to me. And so it's that slight different in baseline assumptions. I think that also is causing a ton of conflict. here. Yeah, I mean, I think two things can be true at once. I can imagine from people like Rick and Christian who espouses the confessionals that like that might be a play style that is tough to play

with, especially this idea that if you're trying to get blind sides to happen, if there is one person that you are afraid to tell things to because they might not vote with you because you feel like they made other promises, whether that is a correct assumption or not, as you mentioned Leanna, that is tough. But I will say, Rick, you did get caught basically getting whispered to hey, do you want to talk to him

about our allies? And you say, nah, I'm good. Like, I understand the reaction he had because it serves, I think, is more of a culmination of his anger towards what he believes is Joe's play style. But like, he does get kind of called out here for being super shady

with that conversation with Joe. And at the water well, it was so bad. I was like, oh, Devin's, like this is, this does not look good. You look like you are lying. So, of course Joe's going to be peeved. Definitely. I think, well, Devin's probably juggling a lot mentally in that moment because, because, you know, Savannah just whispered to him, right?

So there's this expectation that that alliance is going to happen. But also in Rick said, he's like, well, this, all this effort in Lugwerk, like, this isn't even my core alliance. This is kind of a figetian alliance for me. Like, I have this. And so I think. what from Rick's point of view, I think to what is true is that in Survivor, like a flow becomes established where you know, you kind of just tell people what they want to hear like in person,

like, you know, you give them some common name or whatever. And it's kind of rare where people will just confront like, is this be, well, what did you just say there? It's kind of like a flow, right? And so that is Joe Style, which like in a in a real way that's kind of like a play style issue that Rick Devons probably has issue with but I from a TV perspective I think it's great I think I think I think players should do that more and then also RIP Savannah because she's kind of a player who does that too yeah it's just a baby version with Christina I love that scene so much but yeah it's so interesting because Rick ticked so much umbrage as you've both mentioned with like you're on survivor you're

supposed to lie. But the thing Rick is being called out for lying about is the fact that they're supposed to be an alliance. Like this is not like lying about what the plan is. It's him lying about the fact that they're supposed to be working together. And Joe's like, but why are you

lying about this to me? But I also don't understand why Rick would not like, isn't the rule on Survivor if somebody proposed an alliance to you and aren't you just supposed to say yes? Like I don't know, Andy. Am I barking up the wrong tree? I feel like if you're Devin's in that situation, what's the harm and being like, yeah, yeah, so let's work together, right?

Like, it's a great question. I don't, I don't really know the answer. I think to that earlier point, I just think that maybe it's like he's dealing with higher level calculations. If it's not even a real alliance, like, oh, is it going to be a good thing or a bad thing for me to kind of throw this out there in an explicit way with Joe, who I'm planning on, I'm planning on not even going forward with this alliance. So like, is this the right maybe?

Yeah. I just try to keep it simpler. but as a result it just led to a very awkward moment yeah I think it does come down to and Savannah talked about this

a little bit in her exit press that like this foursome was embellished much more in the edit than the actual reality of it ever coming to fruition she says that apparently Ozzie was the one that came up with this and it immediately raised red flags for her

because it's like why are you bringing Joe into this because remember he approaches her and Rick I believe being like oh and let's bring Joe into this. She's like, if it was you, me, Rick, and Surrey, that would be a much more believable alliance.

And so she felt, okay, you're trying to make this majority alliance and have like Surrey as sort of like a side piece. I see what you're doing. And so maybe Rick sort of felt the same way. We're like, he immediately clocks it as BS. And so he's like, I'm not investing so much into that. But again, it is not necessarily a great look to be like, yeah, technically we're supposed to be part of this alliance,

as faulty as it might be. but I'm just not even going to broach the subject with you because I just don't want to work with you. Like, imagine. Imagine just not wanting to work with somebody so badly. But like, you can't even just be like, yeah, man, Savannah was talking about maybe us being in an alliance together. What do you think?

Like, that costs you nothing. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, though, because, you know, Savannah has gone on to say that apparently that conversation was a lot more intense than we got the experience that she says that, like, it had people look in a certain way towards Joe. And so, Andy, I think you make a really good point about Joe's perception,

especially given how recent 48 is and how I do think a lot of his game is kind of obfuscated with this two-dimensional lens of like, oh, he's Mr. Honesty and loyalty. I think there is a really complicated game that honestly, people were kind of comparing to coach to a certain extent at the time of like, he's betraying David, he's betraying Shaheen, despite the fact that he says he's been telling the truth to everybody. And so I think that people now have a different perspective on him actually getting to play with him,

but it sounds like it's not a good perspective. You know what's tough? This is never a good sign. When you're saying there are these terms that are being coined, like Joe management and, you know, and I know this, especially with 47, in my game, like, perception, it carries so much weight, right? And is really one of the big pillars of the game.

what you're managing, you know, like managing your perception. This is not good. This does not budua. No, no. Yeah, I'm curious, Andy, because you, listen, 486 will definitely still hold the torch for, like, most conflict-heavy new era season. But, like, people might forget that 47 had a good amount of heat to it, especially on the island. Do you feel like this is something that somebody like Joe can come back from if he's looked at in such a bad light from this conversation? The swap is certainly going to help a bunch of new faces.

but do you think this like permanently sullies him in the mind of some of these other SELA people? I'm a big believer that nothing can permanently sully you if like you can reframe and you can pivot. And I mean, this is day what? Is this day five, day six? Like there's so much people to go, especially when a swap is coming. You know, you can just have the opportunity to make new relationships, have people feel differently about you. Survivor, especially, well, definitely these days,

maybe the whole history of Survivor, it's just a game of, you know, having these narratives about people and perceptions like jockeying. I'm just like it's a game of like narratives, really, right? So every player while they're still in the game has control over their narrative, but the real big piece is like an awareness of where that narrative's going and what you can do to subvert it,

lean into it when you need to. So it's definitely not, it's not over for any. one like still in the game from a perception. But like with returning player seasons, I don't know. It's it's got this whole other dynamic because you're not just battling your early impressions on the tribe, but like, you know, baggage from how people thought about you on TV and you know, what like, well, because every player, even the winners, right? You have to come in to the next game, not just processing how you played last, but like

figuring out how you can adjust. Yeah. give yourself a chance to win in 50. And so those things like have can create narratives in their own right that like can benefit you or hurt you. And so yeah, it's it's not over for anyone. No, I think the point about perception is interesting because that's like almost that was the whole conflict with coach, right?

Which was like, oh, the perception of coaches that he fought for the supplies and he got the supplies and then Mike White finds out like, oh, so you actually dog to Ozzy to get the supplies. So you're not as honorable as you thought, right? And then like, that's that whole perception, the conversation that we see at the challenge where, you know, it's, oh, this is how you've, yeah, I agree with you. You're playing the game the way you've always played the game. And that goes to the perception not only in this season, but also, as you said, from the previous seasons as well. If I were coaches, coach, I would be like, because I just watched the South Pacific finale. I was like, just like, just like, play the villain. Just like own your crap.

Everyone would have so much fun of that. I mean, you even see it a little bit of like, it's not even a villainous tactic, more of a taunting tactic. Remember when in the exile island where after he wins, they're like, oh, look under this parchment once I left, Picaboo! And he starts, like, it's trolling them in a low-key way. Like, yes, that maybe is more just celebratory ways of digging it into your enemy.

But, like, it's shades of villainry. Just hype that up a little bit more. You were on Heroes versus Villains. I know you still disagree with that assessment, but sometimes these people know you better than you know yourself, coach. No one is as invested as the idea of coach as an honorable hero as self, right? So if you just let that go and like if whatever, like if I were playing coach, whatever, and he's just like, I'm just here to play this time.

Like let's go. Like let's make this alliance and we'll just blinds like you. I would be all about that. That would be so fun because there's a version of, I don't know, coach is just fascinating person. to the point we were talking about earlier, I think his game instincts sometimes are misaligned with this whole other thing he's trying to uphold. But there are parts of coaches that I love a lot.

Speaking of South Pacific, at the merge, I thought, do you remember that when getting Cochran to flip? Yeah. I mean, I would argue that's the best move he's ever made in his survival. It was amazing, right? And I love his quotes. So there's just like, if he were to just play differently this time, instead of really holding this baggage of like,

I need to like make people know that I'm playing this the same way. If you play differently, I think it would be better for him, honestly. Leanna, what was it like hearing that coach is 53 and apparently full of holes? Look, I mean, a Marquesis reference we love. Full of holes. As we know, Di Viadores, noted Marquesis lover. Yeah, look, it's, it goes to, with Ozzy, hurting his back in the first episode.

It's just like, man, Times Arrow marches on, holes included. Yeah, that's the thing is like, it's a little bit of a Grandpa Simpson. It can happen to you moment of like, we are, we were the young studs back in our day. But listen, Times makes fools of us all. Yeah, but Colby was like the poster boy for that. Now he's a beast again. So. Yes, you see him with that snake?

Yeah. I, I will all. also say people need to pay attention to this about Colby's Kool-Aid runner where, and I experience this out on the island, notice every time a challenge is introduced, that Colby will always have the response of

yeah, that no matter what it could be, no matter what the reward is, no matter what they're playing for, no matter what the challenge might be, he always has this very amped response, maybe that represents again, like, I'm here to have more fun this time. But basically, and maybe this is him trying to overcompensate for the sourness between him and Jeff last time,

but notice every time Jeff says, and he's sort of public announcement. This might happen with the swap next week. Like everybody dropped your boss. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. With Colby, like, it's such an interesting

vibe thing. Like, his, like, Heroes for his villains, his vibe was in the dirt. Like, it was just really bad. His energy was, like, you could kind of tell. I don't know. You can see that through the camera. Yeah.

And it's the opposite in 50. Like, I'm like, you know, I don't know. I don't know if it was received super well by everyone him being on 15 when it was announced, but I think he's really warming up to a lot of people because his energy is just like through the roof this time. And he's in a good spot so far. So I love that.

I love to see it's kind of cool. It kind of like, there are these meta narratives, right? So it's like pays off whatever, some level of kind of quote unquote redemption, so to speak from heroes of film. And so it's a cool wrinkle to the season. Yeah.

Yeah, it was nice. And I mean like the whole, so one of the reasons, why I really like this episode is because I feel like we got a lot of really great camp moments, including like the sour coconut scene. Like that whole thing was just like, that's just so fun. Yeah. Did you know that Genevieve fancies herself a sour coconut?

She's got all these, she loves all this Canadian candy that I've never heard of before, but she's just kind of interesting palette. She's like, I can't remember off his top of my head, but she's like, oh, have you tried this like random, like everlasting gobs off, like some weird thing I've never heard of before. I guess in Canada, they've got all different types of candy, but a lot of it's sour, I think so. But I mean, it's also pretty wild because as they point out later on, like, that pretty sure is a spoiled coconut. Like, I'm pretty sure when the water turns sour, that means that it is a bit overdone. It's a bit past its point. It's like Cochinazi. It's

53 and full of holes. And so Genevib's like, I think it's still good. You know, I know that there's the sell-by date, but I could make this work. I could stretch it. When you're out there, you're just craving new flavors of any guy. So you take what you can get. But Vatu is so fun to watch. I think that's such a really well-constructed tribe. There is the coconut scene. And then I love when Q was talking about Blackjack. It was just right before Kyle got met with.

Right. See, such a good scene. Q is, he's another one. He's just been so fun to watch so far. Yeah. And Q's not used to being on sort of like a winning tribe. Like, yeah, he lost Kyle, but he hasn't been going to tribal council. So he focuses on camp life.

And yeah, another reason why I think Colby's fitting in well. here is because I think he is part of like the low key workhorse tribe. And so we feel like we get something really a past each of the old school exists a lot through these episodes, right? Whether it was this like knock down, drag out argument between Rick and Joe, whether it was coach and Ozzie

hashing it out on the mat or whether it's Q and Colby complaining about somebody who doesn't do anything at camp in the form of Rizzo. Oh my God. When they were like, I hope Rizzo goes back and starts the fire. I was like, I know you didn't see a season, but he's not that good at that.

Starting a fire is not exactly his forte. But it's another kind of home run in the sense where it's like, you know, they have people from season one, season two, and then people from season 49. It's kind of the perfect type of philosophy clash that Survivor loves with returning player seasons like Cambodia with the shelter people versus the beach people. Is that what it was? But I loved in the first episode of Colby and Rizzo dynamic.

Yeah, where do we think the needle is? because first Colby was annoyed profusely by Rizzo. Then he saw something in him. Where do you think he is right now, considering that Rizzo showed himself to be quite lazy? Well, I think it feeds into, I think maybe with Colby, he's still like in on him

because he was invited to be part of at least this majority, right, on VATU. But, yeah, it's going to be hard for Rizzo to beat the lazy allegations because he leans it. to what he owns it. He's like, I don't want to do any work. Yeah. It's so funny. They, like, it reminds me of when you have, so it's like a mentor, mentee almost relationship. Like you have somebody that you're like, man, you've got so much potential. Like, if you could just work harder, you have so much potential. I feel like that's how he feels. Like he's,

Rizzo's obviously very endearing, but also you're like, man, you got to step it up. He got to collect some firewood. Yeah. Or even like when he cuts himself on bamboo, he's like, I got to go disinfect this thing. Like, I, I believe that he probably did cut himself. on the bamboo, but like, you can say this. It is probably a good amount of ways to easily disinfect something and get back to work. Hell, you could probably stick your finger in the ocean and that would probably help at least a little bit. He's like, I just kind of needed

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Now, before we get into our predictions, Annie, I want to get your thoughts on Savannah because you mentioned perception and reputation and recency bias a little bit. And what Savannah alleged to me, as well as other people in her active press, is that she feels like for many reasons she wishes that 50 had filmed after 49 had aired. Not only would this give her a better sense of give her some time. time away from the game where she didn't have, you know, 10 days between trips onto Survivor,

but also it would give people the ability to see like, okay, yes, she won season 49, but it was sort of coded in a bit of to a certain extent, I was loyal to my people. I won a bunch of challenges, yes, but look at the other people that I'm with, all these other challenge beasts. How much do you think Savannah was ultimately done in

by the fact that people had not seen her season? That's really tough because reputation, it could go either way, right? You could use it to your advantage as much as it could just totally blow up your game if people have seen it before. And Savannah,

then you look at her winning game on Survivor 49, she didn't have, she didn't have too much to hide if she were to go into 50 with people knowing her games. I would, and like with Rizzo,

maybe it's slightly different. Maybe it's a net positive for him to be in this spot. But I think what the danger is, is that like there is these overarching meta ideas where with Russell, he came into Survivor, into Heroes versus Villains.

People didn't know who he was, but it also wasn't this known kind of advantage, really, back then, where he had the ability to completely massage and manufacture what his game was on Samoa, where if people had seen it, he would have probably been in a much worse spot, right?

But that being said, there are plenty of players who were on Heroes vs. villains, who are, well, at least a couple are here right now. But in any case, I think that's become a scary thing, a player who you don't know anything about on a returning player season. Then it just becomes this giant unknown. So, and whenever there's an unknown, people will just go to the most drastic, you know, it could be anything. It's like, right? It's just kind of worst case scenario, almost versus someone like Savannah. So I think it was,

I thought it was a good move for her to just say that she won because that puts some like clarity on it. and she gets maybe some points for being honest. But I think it was hard for her, given her spot to just be this unknown because then she can't leverage her, like, loyalty on 49 to use her advantage because no one would believe that, honestly. Yeah, that's true.

You have like, listen, you're saying that you were a loyal person and that all this stuff happened, but like you could be making up a complete narrative. I think this is unfortunately on over like, her being the latest person of a handful to do this back to back as a mystery player probably works against her where so many people,

to Andy's point, including those who have played on seasons with mystery players, just have this past precedent of like, you were on here for a reason, probably means you were willing to do. Probably doesn't help too, the fact that she,

as much as she might be touting herself as an honest, a loyal player, she didn't lie about having an advantage from the journey. Yeah, well, and I think, again, I think being able to, maybe this is somewhere where Kyle benefited because I think Kyle did come across

is pretty loyal. So even if Savannah does win but comes across as loyal, then I think that you're going to have a different perception because you, yeah, you know what you're playing with. So I think on top of her being the unknown plus lying, if anybody felt suspicious about that

at all, like it's already, the ball's already rolling. The lie, her lying about the advantage was just maybe that extra push. All right. Well, let's see how much you pushed through Savannah, Leanna, in this game when it came to your preseason prediction. So all this stuff given that way we're talking about,

did you have sunny prospects for the former Georgia newscaster? No, I mean, Andy pretty much could have written this for me as well, right? I said Savannah was pre-jury. I said Savannah was excited to participate in 50, but she's no dummy and realizes the tough

position she's in being an immediate returning player and a winner. She takes the approach of radical honesty, telling everyone she won, who she worked with, and how she played her game. However, this approach had no effect on the rest of Sela, who would rather play with the devils they know than the doubles they don't. Savannah is sent home as the first boot from Sela in a 7-to-1 landslide, although it would have been funnier if she had gone home in a 5-2-2-1 vote.

Get it? Because that was the final vote on the jury in season 49, crowning her the winner. Did you actually explain the joke? Yep. And you book ended up with get-it? Yeah, I started and ended with get-it. I wanted to make sure that.

future Leanna would understand what I was going for. Thank you. I said that her ally was the season 49 jury and her enemy was production for bringing her back so quickly. You know, we talk about the evolution of Survivor, but I've been charting, Leanna, the evolution of your ally and enemy answers, which have just become more and more sort of theoretical than literal. Well, I shouldn't have an ally.

She legitimately, in my prediction, she was basically just toast from the moment she showed up on the beach. So who's her ally supposed to be, Mike? Yeah, I'm just, I'm, I'm waiting to see that other times I'll be like, the concept of gravity, the founding of America, like all of these things that may have happened way back or just don't exist as a corporeal idea. Exactly.

Well, I did not think Savannah had much constitution, unfortunately, for lasting log in this game either, because I also had her going pre-jury. I said, Savannah locks in with Jenna early on, forming the Alpha and Omega Alliance, but Jenna getting targeted early spells doom for the alphabet-themed duo, leaving Savannah without a person. Seeing the writing on the wall, Savannah claims to camp that she has safety without power, but leave it to a fellow former newscaster and Rick Devin's to look beyond the headline and see the true story.

Rick controversially goes through Savannah's bag, mugging to the camera the whole time. But he doesn't find anything. It's the perfect excuse to get the numbers for yet another unanimous vote. When it's outed that her safety without power is neither safe nor powerful, Savannah uses the venue of tribal council to call out the fact nobody is targeting Surrey despite the fact that she is the reason they're losing challenges.

The response is akin to that meme of Meg Griffin being unmasked as ghost face on family guy, they DGAF. Her closest ally was Jenna and her enemy was Rick Devons. Wait, these are like insanely accurate. Wait, so like you had info from the first round? Yeah, so I mean, I didn't know exactly that Savannah and Jenna were working together, but they

sort of clocked each other in the preseason, and it felt like they were definitely like two sides of the same coin. They've expressed as much in exit press, and so I had a feeling like after Jenna was gone, it's like, I don't know who Savannah's really connecting with at this point. Right. Wow.

Hmm. You both did great. Thank you. I guess Mikey went for it with some more specificity that I guess didn't quite pay off. as Leon is like, you can't really. Like there's no incorrectness there.

So we'll give it to it. Hey, generic. Thank you. Because if she did find her, that part, you would have won. Definitely. But that's just how it goes. Mm-hmm.

It's how it goes. All right. Well, let's see if I can get some revenge here on you both in the game I have prepared. Because I'm excited for this one. Because we've talked about the work that Genevieve did very respectfully with Aubrey's belongings. So I have a game that I like to call, what's in the bag?

And here's how it works. I have done the unthinkable. I have gone through the bags of some of these Survivor 50 players. And I've found some very interesting things. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to tell you three things that are in the bag

of a Survivor 50 player. Oh. And you have to guess, who that player is. So for instance, if I were doing this for Survivor 47, for Andy, I would say that in your bag is a Seinfeld box set. We'll say an applause sign for clapping to open the coconut and a jar of marinera sauce.

So, and I don't think that literally does with the reality, but it's that type of stuff. It's clues as to who they are as opposed to, you know, muffled, smelly ball of socks. in the shirt, yeah. Can't keep my shot in the dark, unfortunately. Well, we gave ours. I was saying you gave her away.

Yeah, yeah. They didn't give them back at the end? No, they wouldn't. They want to reuse them, I'm sure. This also might have been your impact that people are forgetting about the shot in the dark. Like Savannah outright said that she forgot the shot in the dark was a thing and so she didn't play it.

Oh, do they have it? Yeah, they have it. Oh. That's pretty wild. I do, I hear this a lot from players that they just simply forget that the shot. Well, because Jeff doesn't make an announcement of it. It just exists in their bags. So like, I guess if it's not being reminded of you, and Savannah did point out,

nobody played their shot in the dark in 49. Yeah. Yeah. No shade to anyone, but you should not forget that it's there when you're in danger. That would have been helpful. All right. So I'll give you both the option here. Maybe we'll ask one to maybe gauge your interest.

Do you want to work together? or do you want to work against each other? I want to work together. I absolutely want to work. All right. We're reaching collaboration here. When I heard Andy's, I was like, oh, I'm so screwed. Okay.

Let's rip the band-a-air here. Sorry, Rizzo. We're going to infect this biznatch. Here we go. We've got, again, three things from the bag of Survivor 50 player. A bottle of peptobismal. Okay. eye patch and mayonnaise.

So talk things through. You can look things up because there will be some obscure references here. So I'm not relying on your cursory pop culture knowledge. Okay, I wrote them down. Bottle of Pepto and I patch and mayonnaise. Okay. So bottle of pepto, obviously this is the bias from this episode. But immediately I think of Christian, right?

Because you're thinking about like upset stomach. he's got to have a bottle of peptide somewhere, but I don't know if that's what Mike is going for with these items. Are these things that would have related to somebody kind of like in the past per se, like not necessarily in this particular episode? What? I need a warm up around to get the hang of it.

Okay. Okay, well, how does that, let's talk through the Christian logic. If it is Christian, how does an eye patch relate to Christian Hubicki? Pirate. Do we know anyone on 50 who had an eye injury of any kind? Or really, Sharmar did not make the cut for season 50. Yeah, Sharmar, it's the I degree. Okay, I was thinking also

Pirate, when I think of iPatch, I think of a, I think of a pilot. I will say that some of these clues do not refer to direct survivor moments. Okay. But come from information you know about them from outside the game. Okay.

What do we got there? We love a good sandwich. Mayo. Andy, I have no idea. These are tough. Yeah, Leata, you're asking what my reaction was before. I think it was the dawning realization that this is so much harder than I was. We're so screwed.

We're on a pirate season. Okay. Okay, okay. I like that. Was there anybody, is it, uh, do we have anybody from Pearl Islands? Is that the, it could be, oh, wait, it doesn't necessarily have to do Survivor. Oh my God, Mike, I hate so much. I will give you a hint here because it's the first one.

If you look at, it's actually a prescripted bottle of Peptobiz Mall. And the doctor wrote on the note, scrawled out in their chicken scratch handwriting for the treatment of dysentery. So. The Oregon Trail. I'm struggling Yeah This is here What if we just

Disress that makes me think of Christian again Christian Okay, look what if we just It's the first one Andy how about let's just say Christian And then we'll see how it evolves Sounds good Okay

I like this soft easy Incorrect start All right let me read through the logic here What? Pepto-Bismol Of course you sort of talk to the logic on this Leanna could be used to treat dysentery, much like on the Oregon Trail,

like a certain confessional in Survivor Co-wrong dictated. Oh my God. An eye patch could be worn by Odin, the one-eyed god from Norse mythology, which is the name of Aubrey Brockow's

son. And Mandi is a prime ingredient in coleslaw, which is one of Aubrey's favorite foods apparently. Andy, we're so screwed. That is brutal. I get to like you're you are the master of this like A to C type. That's exactly it.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's not going to be. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you. Yeah, this is a hint.

Again, you kind of have to make these. It's not going to be a direct connection of like a blue sleeveless take top. Again, these are going to be a little bit more obscure. But listen, nowhere to go but up from here. Let's go with the next one. Okay. A green garden hose. A folder containing a number of stocks and bonds. And two bars of soap.

Financial analyst Emily Flippen. That's, it's too simple. The folder. I know. See, like, that's the concern. What does she have to do with a green garden hose? Like a green garden hose is what you have in your garden. And Emily Flippin owns a house, which has a garden. Like, is that also the two bars of, of soap, like two bars, like not just

a bar of soap, like two bars of soap. It's somebody who went to prison twice because don't drop the soap when you're in prison. I don't know, Andy. Carbon hose. Wait. That makes me think of, now this is

this who had the green monster? Is that this is a, this is a that was Troyzan. Yeah, Trojan. But it could be like I don't think that's a green guarded hose though. Snake.

Okay, okay. Folders of stocks and bonds. Why is it a folder? Right? Like, otherwise it would be a portfolio of stocks and bonds. Like, like who? I'll say portfolio. I don't know.

I don't know the term. I just said a folder. It's like, well, it's like an escape room, right? Or like we're taking it out of the bag. So it's a folder of stocks and bonds. So I don't know. Uh-huh. It has to be an object.

of something. So stocks and bonds. And I will say it's two bars of soap, but they're probably more so associated with one bar of soap in particular. Okay. So it doesn't necessarily, okay, okay, maybe one. We need to start Googling.

I didn't know how everything. Yeah, do you start, start Googling here? Yeah, are we allowed? Okay, what is green garden hose? Emily flipping. Does she have anything to do with the green garden hose? Oh my goodness gracious. is.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Um, uh-oh. Like, again, okay, is there any, okay, wait, hold on. Are there any food items that,

because we, we learn from Aubrey, no, no food items. Um, soap. Okay. What if it's like,

um, stocks and bonds, making money. I'm Mike White. I got a lot of money. And in the White Lotus, there's a garden. And he cleans himself. What if I give away one of the clues?

Maybe that will help. Yes, please. Which one do you want to know the clue for? The soap or the hose? What do you say? I think, I think let's do the hose. All right, we'll do the green. Well, it's interesting that I wrote green garden hose

because I feel like if you were not looking and you saw this in your backyard, you might confuse it for a snake in the grass. Oh. So is this someone who is a snake in the grass? More at the show. Oh! With Surrey and Surrey was on it, right?

And so was Stephanie LaGroza. Mm-hmm. Right? They were both on. All right, all right. It's one of those two. Okay. To bonds to, I don't know this lore for either.

I'm to be honest with you, but so. I want to say, all right, let's, we'll just try to be as smart as possible because I have no idea of these since our, but like. I like that approach. You're going to do a bag. If you're Mike Bloom, you're doing a bag with Surrey. Sneakingly at the 12th thing. Whereas Stephanie LaGrosa, it could make the top three. Yeah.

Okay. I would have put a pizza if I were Stephanie, you know, what was that? Like you're thinking about what are, yeah, what are the other items that might potentially have put in the bag? Okay. Okay. So, the rest was like, you know, her least high profile appearance. I agree.

I'm going to do Stephanie. Okay. I trust your judgment. You were locking in Stephanie. So I did get you down to 50-50 here. I will give the second clue here. So, of course. a portfolio containing a number of stocks

and bonds. Someone that deals with those types of financial assets might be a financial analyst or they might be known as a trader. A day trader. And so it comes down to the last clue. A bar of soap. One person

showed up on a soap in the past couple years. And that was Surrey Fields who had a role on the bold and the beautiful alongside Matt Clots after Big Brother 25. Oh my God. Good work. Good work.

Good work. All right. Let's move on to the next one. Shall we? It's so hard. He did an okay job there. All right. This one I think is going to be a little bit.

Uh-huh. A handful of stone fish. A car manual opened to the page on anti-lock braking system and a signed photo of Laura Dern. Anti-lock braking system. No, what was the last one? A signed photo of Laura Dern.

Sorry, the second one. Is a car manual open to a page on anti-lock breaking system. Okay, the anti-lock breaking system. Listen, here's the thing. My point is very close with Laura Dern. Yeah, okay. So is it that obvious? Yeah, maybe it's too obvious.

What were you saying about the anti-lock break system, Leanna? Okay, anti-lock break. It's interesting he spells it out. Isn't the anti-lock breaking system ABS? Does a-BS? Like, does anybody have an ABS also stands for? ID-S. Which Christian had on this episode.

We nailed it. Open to the anti-lock breaking system. Anti-lock? Anti-lock system. anti Um okay uh

all right wait let me is a sign photo of Laura Dern it is is it so the signed fact

matters no oh it doesn't matter that it's signed I mean it's nice to have Laura Dern's a fantastic actress as this person might know okay well if we go with the

Mike White assumption how could a handful of stonefish connect to Mike White like if it is that obvious how do we connect the other two to him right a handful of stone fish that reminds me this is not it though what what's the core allegory of the white lotus like you're a handful of something it has to do with lotus is not fish but also he's not going to make it that okay but he said this one was easier

so maybe the signed photo of Laura Dern is just Mike White. Our only lead. Anti-Lotland means nothing to me. Handful of stone fish, what could that be? What's a stone, like, just a stone miniature? Yeah, we got to Google it. Okay.

Stonefish is not a thing. This is a, this is me. Let me just, let me just ruin the plot here. The answer is Mike White. Oh, okay. Well, we were going to lock that in. Yeah, we were going to lock that in. Yeah, exactly.

I feel like we were getting there anyway. Let me explain the logic. here. Laura Dern, yes. Inlyant, fantastic collaboration between the two. So anti-lock breaking system, Leanna, you were so close. What else does ABS spell? Always be shitting.

Liana, the letters A, B, and S. What do they spell as a word? Abbs. And who has pronounced abs? Mike White has abs. I'm raising my hand. I can do the first hit. I don't need... Yes. Yes. One fill of fish.

School of Rock There we go, baby! You got it! You're getting my weird perverted logic. Okay, okay, okay. That's exactly it. Yes, a school of rock, a handful of stonefish. Oh my goodness. See, now we're understanding a little bit more. Now we're playing ball.

Yes. All right. Next one. A toad. A figurine of a jaguar. And a Trojan. A Trojan? Like a condom or like the horse?

Let's go with the former for fun. Imagine you went through someone's back if there was a prophylactic in there. And you're just like, oh. Okay. Toads. Toads have warts. Toads are related to witches, perhaps.

Spitball in here. Figuring of a jaguar. Those are on expensive cars, right? Like you put, it's on the hood of a car. that's where you would see the figurine of a jaguar, right? I don't know where else we would see the figurine of a jaguar. I have no idea. All right.

Where are the Trojans from? A Trojan. They invaded Greece? Were they the Roman emper? Dude, I don't know. Let's say Rome. Okay. This is Genevieve.

Wait, why is it Genevieve? He was allies with Rome. I don't know. Does she, does Genevieve have a car? Does she have a car? Think less about the car and more what the animal of a jaguar represents. Okay. So it's just a jaguar.

We don't need to ask about whether Genevieve owns a car. Jaguars are very fast. They're football team. That's true. Oh, maybe. Oh, I was going to say Trojans also. USC Trojans. So someone from Southern California, perhaps.

Okay, wait, said the thing about the jaguar again, what it represents. It's just the animal. That's the store jaguar. What does a jaguar represent? I don't think metaphorically, just like we used to like that jaguar is the hint. It's immense power, ferocity, and authority. Yeah, but that would be, that applies a lot of place. Yeah.

Let's see. Okay. Bro, I have no idea. Mike, this is way too hard. This is so hard. When we're having fun, can you give us a hint? I'll give you a hint here. Yeah, Trojan, we're not thinking about USC.

Think to the war, which was not with Rome, which is Greece. Do you know some famous people who were in the Trojan War? Some people of... Oh, okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. All right, I'm seeing the vision. I'm seeing the vision. Okay, Andy's on it. I'm getting this. I'm getting this. Oh, oh, my God, Achilles.

Achilles. Achilles. Achilles heel is Kyle. I don't know what the other ones have to do. figure out, all right, let's say it's, we're probably going to guess, Scott. Well, what's the deal with the toad in the jail for it? Because he jumps, Big Cats jump, and Kyle jumped.

Other things outside of the show, Toad. Toad's jump more than, well, Toad's jump. Um, um, Toad. Toad. we're going to guess Kyle.

Yeah, we're at one. All right, Kyle is correct. Thank you, Andy. Good job history buffs. So the Toad one was very simple. I don't know if you remember Kyle's humble trait from season 48. What did he have on his finger? It was a wart.

Yeah, it was a wart, which is where the toad comes from. And the Jaguar is the national animal of Guyana. Where Kyle and Camilla have their ancestors? history-based. You know what's so funny? I was thinking with Toad for some reason. You know how Camilla does a little thing with her hood? And it gives me like Toad energy somehow like Toad from a big game Toad.

I don't know. I was going to say like Mario Toad? Yeah. Okay. You know the Cupa who's the witch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. That reminds me that. All right. Here's the next one for you. You got Kyle though. You're two for four right now. That's pretty dang good

considering how incredibly difficult these are. All right. Next up in a bag, we've got a little toy of a wrecker truck. We have a... What's a wrecker truck? Like a monster truck? That's for you to know and Google to find out for you. We've got a map of Central Texas.

And we've got a $900 Kellis CD. Like the musical artist? That is correct. Wait, Kellis rings it a crazy bell for me. Okay. but I don't know I don't know why because she's bossy

that's one of herself I have to Google she brings all the milk so brings all the boys to the yard because of her milkshake um wrecker truck okay I got to Google what a record truck is

because I don't know what that is a wrecker truck specialized booms and winches to lift and tow disabled or improperly parked vehicles. Okay, so it's somebody who tows car.

Dose K. Genevieve, we know, owns a car. So did she have that towed? Is the question. And Toad, of course, refers to the warts on Kyle's fingers as we know. Sure. Okay, what if we went back to just like the map

of central Texas? That's what I'm looking at now. Like, is there a prominent city in central Texas? What? What? Oh, my God. Wait. What if it's, what? Yes, Austin. That's my top guess right now. Okay, hold on. Okay, let's, okay, D. Yeah, let's just go, D. Mike looks excited. I am excited because you're right on the money, folks. D is correct. Yes, so Austin, Central Texas. Kellis, Leanna, you were right there around it. Her probably most famous song is milkshake.

Yeah. If it costs $900, who spent $900 on a milkshake in Survivor 45 at the auction? And again, you were right there. A record truck is also known as a tow truck. Toe. She has a tow, tow truck, toe. Okay, okay. All right.

We're getting it. See, you're heating up right now. You're understanding it. If you nail one of the hints, then you got it. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's get into the next one here. A bottle of vizine. Okay.

A signed headshot of Matt LeBlanc and a meat hook. A meat hook. A meat hook. A meat hook. Meat hook is something that you utilize to hang giant corcuses on for harvesting their meat eventually.

Oh. a butcher perhaps. Okay, so we've got... I'm thinking of a connection with Matt Blanc is something we could Google. Yeah, Matt LeBlanc. Blanc, white. Wait, wait, wait.

I've got a hit. Okay. I've got a TikTok from All Winner Survivor. Colby appears on Joey. Oh. I see. All right. He talks about Colby talks about how he can't see.

So having Vizene would help to clear up his eyes a little bit. He can't hear. Yeah, that's true. A meat hook. Wait, where are you? Okay, so a bottle of Vizene, what would you use Vizene for? You would use Vizene if you have irritated eyes, right? Your eyes turn red.

so you got to like wash another eye injury, okay. Yeah, or like who got something stuck in their eye that they needed to like rinse it out. Listen, we got to go with the tried injury strategy. Colby was on a show of Malibon for an episode. We got to go. Okay, okay, all right, I'm happy.

Let's go with your logic. Let's lock it in. Colby was not in an episode with Matt LeBlanc. He was in three. So that is correct. Colby is the correct answer. Yes, he played a role in Joey. It was when I discovered that all-winner Survivor reel

that I was like, oh, I forgot about this. He plays one of Joey's main pieces of competition. Maybe we'll check that out at a later episode. A bottle of vizine, something you might use to treat red eyes. Red Eye was the Sillian Murphy movie that Colby was a part of after his time in Survivor. It was a prominent meme at the time. And a meat hook, as you mentioned, Leanna, is something a butcher would use.

The butcher is one of the ones. of the many reality shows that Colby has hosted before returning to Survivor. Nice. All right. Okay. Yeah. So the photos of people, Andy, I think you've locked it in. That's a smoking gun.

That's a smoking gun. All right. Well, let's see if you keep firing, much like Topshot, one of Colby's other reality shows and see if you were on the mark here. Here's another bag for you. We've got a cheese shop gift card, a DVD copy of the movie Network, and, you're a, and, and the first edition of Stephen King's eighth novel. Okay, what's Stephen King's eighth novel? Yeah, look that up.

Let's just say we can't educate on the B&B. Okay, Stephen King's eighth novel, fire starter. Ooh, that's a big one. That's a big one. That's a big one. So it's either somebody who does start fires or can't start fires. So people, people who, who's had fire. is like a key component of what they've done.

Obviously, Rizzo. Rizzo lost fire. Jonathan lost fire. Camilla lost fire. Chrissy lost fire. A lot of them lost fire. Who won that fire? Wait, no.

I thought Chrissy, Chrissy. Oh, sorry. Yeah. She got arguably screwed up by fire. Kevin lost of fire. True. Oof.

Okay. All right. So, well, that gives us a short list to work on. And then what were the other ones? a DVD of the network of copy of the movie network and then a cheese shop gift card a gift card to a cheese shop

okay let's see a cheese shop a gift card cheese is cheese cheese cheese wheels sure we're spinning our wheels oh oh oh oh okay

I've got it Oh, okay. I've got it. All right. Here, I'm going to, I'm going to walk. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We have another fire loser. Yes.

He said Lechizery at one point after winning an immunity challenge. You know, this day. And as a network, whatever, like a news post. It's Rick Devitz. Get out of my head, Eddie. But stay in it because that's correct. Rick Devinz. Yes, you were on there with Lechiziery.

You were on there with Firestarter, firemaking loser. And network. If you haven't seen it, highly recommended. It's a movie about a consistently, increasingly enraged newscaster. That is where the infamous line, I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore. Comes from, which I think Rick sort of expressed in this episode. So yes, it is the one, the only Rick Devons. Okay.

All right, so you got, I wanted you to get, there's eight of these. I wanted you to get at least five of them correct, and you have. So let's see if you can finish strong here with our final bag. We have a wallet. containing a photo of Carrie Underwood. Okay. We love a good photo. We have a cheeseburger sitting in a skillet of cheese. And we have a ripped up photo of famed actor John Delancey.

So not a side photo, but a ripped up one. Okay, a ripped up photo of who? His name is John Delancey. I will put his name in the private chat because I feel like you will want to Google. him. Yes. He was,

oh, the Lancy? Yeah, he was in freaking bad. That's all I know. I'm from. Okay. This is a weird tie-in,

and maybe the famous people will give us more information. But the cheeseburger sitting in a skillet of cheese, I hate that this is what I know. But I'm pretty sure it's from Appleby's, because I think it's a new dish

from Applebee's. But let me. We just Google it really quick. It's like cut in half. Okay, I've got it. I've got it. Eddie's got it. Eddie's got it.

Applebee's his soundtrack. John Delancey was in a version of Star Trek. His character's name is Q. Hey! And Q is there for the Appleby's reward. The infamous. Carry under what I haven't, I don't know. Oh, whatever.

Who cares? I think we've got two that indicate it's Q. So can we go with Q? Oh. But what? Oh, it's a rip-in to the photo of John Delancey, folks. Oh, it's ripped up. So the correct answer is Tiffany.

She went on the Applebee's reward. She went on the Applebee's reward. And I was trying to, I looked up weirdest Applebee's item. And it gave us that, I think it's called the OM Cheeseburger. Yes. It looks disgusting. It looks so bad. Every single time I see it on TV, there's an ad for it.

I'm like, who would ever want to eat? They basically, they cut a burger in half. Yes. And they have a skillet of cheese and they put the burger halves sitting on top of the skillet of cheese. Yes. And then the first clue. And so the first clue, this one is very obscure. A wallet containing a photo of Carrie Underwood.

A wallet is something you could put in your pocket. And what did Carrie Underwood win? Oh, American Idol. Idol. An Idol. idle in your pocket. Ugh. Okay. All right, but we were close.

Andy, I feel good about that one because we were pretty, yeah, we were close. Like we got at least the gist of the clue, what the clues were supposed to be, except for the carrier. Yeah, that's true. And listen, you all, I will say, I think in nearly 10 years of doing this, this is the most difficult game we've ever done on the B&B and you all smashed it. You got the majority of them correct and then some. I'm so happy we played together.

Andy carried the team. No, Leanna, Leanna, your slumdog millionaire Applebee's knowledge. Almost got you there. I'm glad of all the historical things that I could have known. Don't worry. I know about the OM Cheeseburger guys. I got it. Oh, my God.

Well, I'm saying OMG and thanking you both profusely for submitting yourself to my saw-like game of torture, which didn't even have to do with Survivor and more so just mental leaps of logic. That was very, very fun. Thank you. Thank you. Well, Andy, I'm going to continue to keep the spotlight on you after you absolutely aced that game. Of course, at the end of every podcast

here on the B&B, we give our guests the chance to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them. What would you like to spotlight for the listeners this week? Absolutely. So, the cause of domestic violence awareness has been very important for my family.

We dealt with it firsthand, and ever since that point, my family has done a lot of different charity efforts around Buffalo area for domestic violence awareness. I think they recently they did recently partner with the Family Justice Center of Erie County. So you can visit them at FJCsafe.org.

But yeah, just I want to give a shout out to all my family back home. So that's my siblings, my mom, my dad, but then, you know, my, my mom's side of my family. Well, both sides of my family. They got really, really related to Survivor for the first time during 47. They had a heck of a fun experience. And then I also want to show. Shout out to Chase and Macy, who are my godson and goddaughter. So shout out to them, but yeah, you can visit FJCsafe.org.

Well, thank you so much for opening up about that. Are they, like, continuing to be hooked on Survivor? Were they, like, out after 47? Let me try to. I think they were into 48 as well, but 47 was definitely their season. I think for very understandable reasons. Well, Andy, thank you so much for making your B&B debut in an incredible style, giving your perspectives on this episode, excelling so much in all of the torturous exercises I have provided you both. You gave a lot of very lovely shoutouts, but anything else you'd like to plug out there from a social media perspective, other stuff you might be doing, et cetera.

It's a great question. I feel like I'm living such a normal life. It's so different than my previous years. I'm just like doing my thing. I'm just working. But you know what it is good is like if I feel like I'm in a kind of post-survivor space just in terms of me being out there. And now I am just kind of like watching 50 as a fan, which has been so fun. And Survivor occupies this really cool space for me where it's not like top of my mind anymore.

But like every Wednesday I'm having fun with it. So that's been great. So but I haven't been very active on social media, but you can, you can follow me, Instagram. I am on X. I'm scrolling. I'm a ex-lurker. They got me.

They got me used to the name. But yeah, just give me a follow if you want, but just living life doing my thing. Love it. Love it. And of course, you can check out everything Leanna and I are doing, whether it is the weekly installment of the PAL, whether it's my interviews with Parade or Australian Survivor. I've officially taken over on coverage of that. Andy, I know you're an Australian

and Survivor fan. You and I talked about Ferris. Have you been watching this season at all? I feel so betrayed. I have a JLP. Stand through and through. I don't know. I think it kind of hits differently for me. Maybe I'll be going to, like, are you liking it? Should I watch it? I would definitely recommend it. Look, I understand, you know, if you're not a golden god person, which I will say

he is fine. He definitely gets more used to it as the season goes along. It's also only in like 10 minutes of every hour long episode. But the cast is, the cast is very fun. my opinion. So I've been having a good time covering it. I would definitely recommend it, whether it be to Andy or everyone else out there. But otherwise, just keep tuning in to the B&B. Next week, we got a whole ass swap. That should be interesting. I will say the tribes are out there on the internet if you want to check it out because there was a press photo that released them.

Has some very interesting configurations that I think are going to continue to create a lot of drama behind this immensely enjoyable season. And hopefully this was an immensely enjoyable podcast for you all as well. If you have any game ideas, you know where to send them. RHAPBNB at gmail.com or hashtag RHAPBB on social media. Special thanks to the entire team behind the scenes at R8JP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and your ears and Wolf from America for his fantastic theme song. Leon and I will be back next week covering the swap of Survivor 50. Until then, everybody, we'll check you out at your next day.

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