RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 B&B Ep 5 Recap w/ Christine Riccio

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Survivor 50 B&B Ep 5 Recap w/ Christine Riccio With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor that week. This week, This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Christine Riccio to discuss Survivor 50 episode 5. Survivor 50 is heating up and RHAP BNB hosts Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas are back with guest Christine to talk all things week five. With a double boot, the famous “blood moon” merge twist on the horizon, and fan favorites dropping like flies, this episode is packed with laughs, drama, and a few wild Survivor moments. The crew kicks things off reminiscing about the “good old days” before the merge and dives right into all the chaos—Angelina and Mike White’s back-to-back departures, the crumbling David vs. Goliath alliance, and Ozzy’s new zen attitude (mixed with classic grumpy confessionals). There’s plenty of buzz about Billie Eilish’s “boomerang idol,” plus debates about shifty edits and why some big returnees are barely getting any screen time. Christine nerds out over all the Taylor Swift nods (and the Swifty boot) Ozzy’s partnership with Cirie gets a glow up, and we see a whole new side of him Rizo and Charlie’s love-hate rivalry keeps things spicy (and provides plenty of laughs) The crew wonders: is it editing—or are Cirie, Kamilla, and Tiffany really invisible this season? Will the merge and blood moon twist blow up the game or just make things messier? Ready for idol secrets, wild alliances, and a sneak peek at whatever this blood moon brings? Tune in for all the Survivor chaos, strategy talk, and camp shenanigans as we head into the most unpredictable part of the season! 0:00 Double Boot Shakes Up Game 6:00 Angelina and Mike White Exit 12:00 Ozzy Faces Emotional Growth 18:00 Rizo Versus Charlie Escalates 24:00 Kamilla Decides Charlie’s Fate 30:00 Billie Eilish Idol Revealed 36:00 Coach’s Nicknames and Tribe Dynamics 42:00 Women’s Edit Disparity Discussed 48:00 Angelina’s Arc and Early Exit 54:00 Charlie’s Survivor Legacy Examined 1:00:00 Survivor Rivalries Bracket Begins 1:16:00 Abby and RC Rivalry Wins 1:27:00 Charlie and Rizo’s Rivalry Ranked 1:39:00 Blood Moon Merge Speculation This week’s charity shoutout is The Good Store, an online shop founded by John and Hank Green that donates 100% of their profits to charity. If you have any suggestions for games or feedback for the B&B, feel free to reach out to us on social media or email rhapbnb [at] gmail [dot] com. If you have any suggestions for games or feedback for the B&B, feel free to reach out to us on social media or email [e-mail]. Check out Peace Corps: https://peacecorps.gov/serve To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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You can stay for- Hi everybody and welcome to the R-H-A-B-N-B for week five of Survivor 50. My name is Mike Bloom here to break down two boots, a double tribal council, and those two boots, evidently, are also walking us over to this gargantuan-merge scenario. Leanna, they say that, you know, they call them the good old days because you don't necessarily know that you're in the pre-merge until you watch the next time on. Yeah, exactly. And also, I heard a blood moon's horizon. So not only are we getting the merge, but also it's going to be some intense nonsense. Obviously, looking forward to that, but we've got those good old days to get through first before we get to the blood moon of it all. Listen, maybe it's just the dissertation that's been going on in the survivor community, but like, I feel a certain way when Jeff Probe says the words, Blood Moon. You know, it's a little bit like, is this, is this codified somehow? Are you going to hit something? Can you say, is that what are doing here? Well, what we are doing here is greeting our incredible guests. So happy to have her back on back-to-back seasons, pulling a Rizgod here, except it's a Chris God. Oh, no.

Oh my God. Wow. What a cool intro, Chris God. So here for Chris God. Oh, my God. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be back. I mean,

it ended up, you know, turning out really well considering that anyone who follows you on social media and they should because you do a lot of great work out there, both in the written form as well as on social media,

and knows that you are quite the Swifty. And so I can think of no better person to bid a dude to Survivor's biggest Swifty, Thank you. I appreciate that. It was a very swift-filled episode. The references were flying. All right. Well, let's get into your thoughts on the season so far, Christine, because yeah, believe it or not, we are, I guess, done with an entire phase of the game. As Leanna mentioned, I don't know what the blood moon will provide. But for now, it's set. It's firmly over the horizon.

So let's talk about what we're looking back on for the past month and change. How have you been liking Survivor 50 so far? I have not been this excited about Wednesdays since 2020. I am loving it. I mean, these last two episodes have been a little less fun, a little sadder to see people go and the vibes are a little different. But those first three episodes were, So fun. I was just smiling and laughing the entire time of these last two we lost some of my favorites.

So it's a little bit of a bummer. But I'm still just enjoying the season so much. I love returning season. And the return of the returny season has been fabulous. I think that's definitely something I always have to keep in mind, which is because there's so many people that I'm excited to see, that each week I'm going to lose somebody that I at least somewhat care about and that's just the name of the game. But I totally hear you. And I think especially losing the combo

of Angelina and Mike White back to back. I think there's something a little bit disappointing about that. Now, of course, like then whom? But still, you know, I wanted to see more from the two of them together, especially. I wanted to see more Angelina. I'm glad she went full circle

and gave her jacket. It was a great moment. but in her season, she was just, you know, one of the stars and there were so much fun shenanigans coming from her and we didn't really get to see much in this season and I was bummed. She's gone.

Well, as you mentioned, Leanna, we of course bid adieu to a renowned writer last week. So only makes sense we have a renowned writer on this week. Again, the timing worked out perfectly. But yeah, what are your thoughts, Christine, about the wake, the Mike White departure? left. I mean, not necessarily like on the season overall, but this really was a major set of dominoes to make this entire Dave versus Goliath trio just completely combust over the past two weeks.

So sad to see them collapse on each other so quickly. And I know it was Christian's doing. That was upsetting. I mean, Mike brings these fun, lighthearted vibes to the show whenever he's on screens. So I feel you could definitely feel the vibe shift with him just not being present this week. But he definitely went a little hard with the talk with Christian. And I feel like that really ended up being a mistake because he knew his tricks. And it just really highlighted again, like that he is a huge threat. But I don't think he was a threat to win the game. And I think that in the end, it feels like a mistake to get rid of Mike who I think for sure would have voted with Christian instead of Emily, who I feel like she's doing so good and she will turn on you at any moment.

I worry. I worry on that front. Yeah, it was, it is actually really interesting. The fact that the David and Goliath trio came and went so fast. It was almost like a blink and you miss it type thing where, okay, they're working together one week. Next week they're turning on each other. And then, okay, wrap it up.

We're done. That's it. It was sad. I mean, not only that, again, this is completely coincidental, but we've also lost two out of our three people from Survivor 46. We've lost one out of our three people from Survivor 48. And yeah, I almost wonder, in retrospect, this is so odd to say, but would it have been best for the Dave versus Goliath trio if all three of them

were not put on the same tribe? which again is wild. But Mike brought this up last week in my interview with him as well as other exit press that like, he kind of, yes, he felt sort of in the most optimal situation considering that all the people he had basically pre-gamed with had preconceived with were on the same tribe as him. But the downside of that is that he basically has to be like,

okay, I can't go for any of these people. So who do I pick? And as a result, it makes things a lot thornier when you have to differentiate between relationships. If those relationships are out of side, at a sight out of mind, I don't necessarily think

that either they're looked at as a group or Christian maybe makes this move, even if it's like him and Mike on a track together. Specifically, Mike protecting Angelina might have been one of the many things to lead Christian to turn on him ultimately. I mean, as a group, of course, they're dangerous. But like, I feel like Christian already has such a big target on him.

I don't know if it was helpful to get rid of the target. of Angelina and Mike. I just wanted friendship to win out. I wanted them to go far together. Christian and Ozzy's friendship, Christine, you know? That's a complicated dynamic. Ozzy's learning to trust nerds again. That's a lot of improvement.

Oscar loves nerds. Ozzie is quite acrimonious towards them. But Oscar is all about entertaining the quadratic formula. Ozzy has been doing so well. I am so proud of Ozzy this season. I just like, I've never been a huge Ozzy fan because he does have these over-the-top reactions whenever things happen,

but he's just got so much self-reflection this season. He's making, I mean, as soon as he made it an alliance with Surrey, I was like, oh my God, I love Ozzy now. Every episode, I'm just like, oh, my God, okay, Surrey's just got to get through this. episode just even when it's not focused on her like this episode i was like please just get through this episode oh yeah you and me both the serri prayer circle for each episode goes so hard we are trying our damnedest to help her get through um but i i think that it's interesting

to to look back on sort of Aussie as like i mean i once the season's over i think especially like his whole survivor career i think it's just going to be so interesting to look at I think in this episode is such a great example of him. Classic Ozzy coming in hot, upset. But to be fair, also. It wasn't even that hot though. He was like medium. No, yeah.

I mean, it's more so him being like, it's more of the old man complaints, right? Not say Ozzy's an old man, but him being like, I just don't understand. Yeah. This is not like a histriotic we've seen from Ozzie in the past, which is like, I'm going to throw myself into the fire now. Great.

You ruin my life. Hope you enjoy my heart because you've trampled. all over it. It was like 50 levels down. He's not even upset, you guys. And it was also, I personally, kind of justified, too. Like, if I was this single person left out of a boat, I would also be very upset.

So, like, but then to see we get the whole segment of him doing his meditation on the beach. But then also it was interesting. Great poncho. Always love. But it was, it's cool because it's like, you get to see the personal reflections. And then you also get to see how he's then applying it to the game where it's like, look, I'm maybe going to try to work with Christian, but also I have to acknowledge all of these things that happened to me.

And like, is he Cochran, which all the editing in that was. Oh my gosh. Yeah. The literal, like, same thing that Cochran said and Christian said was, like, amazing. I was like, Christian, did you remember that? Were you reciting? Is he remember? I know.

All the people, like, it's either Christian or Rizzo, I think, would go to someone. No, you know what, Rizzo would go up to. it'd be like, hey, how are you and Cochran doing? When he betrayed you? How does that make you feel? Did y'all look up the word anodyne when Christian was like, something so anodyne? And I was like, I've literally never seen that word before. I learned something new this week, Christian.

Thank you for the vocab word. Yeah, I did not. I did not clock that. I mean, I clocked the word anodym. It was one of those things where you're like, I assume I know what this means. But no, anodyne serving to alleviate pain or not likely to offend or aroused tension. and you do not want to arouse Ozzy. You certainly know that.

Something that is not a big deal. And like, I was just like, it kind of was a big deal, Christian. Every single person lied to him. Yeah, but it's also, again, what I love about this season is how, like, again, because people are coming back to play, again, they are more sure of themselves. And that also means they are less likely to put up with the guff of other people. The path of Survivor 50 so far has been laid down. by petty grievances and rivalries. We'll get into this obviously

with Charlie and Rizzo. But even Christian, when Ozzy turns to go, he calls him a shithead behind his back. He calls him a Polly Prissy pants. He calls him a baby to Emily. And this is Christian. And not to say that Christian was not like

a persnickety individual back in David versus Goliath, but it's a little bit like watching your teacher kind of cussing class, right? Or see them in the grocery store? Like Christian, you are supposed to be this lovable, sweet, character he cannot call this man a shithead he's really playing this season like jim from the office i feel like he really is playing to us like a look at us all the time i'm surprised jeff didn't look

to the camera when he was doing his pitch perfect impression of christian his impressions were so good oh okay i thought the christian one was the other two i thought were good the Christian one I did. No, I, I didn't. Really? I love that we're all so scattered here. This is like the best Roershack test because I felt the Jonathan one was straight up garbage. But I like the Christian.

I like the Colby and the Christian ones. But we saw. Colby was the best. I love that Jonathan right after that impression was like Mr. Jeff. And it was, it was spot on when Jeff had just said. And I never clocked that. Like I never paid enough attention for him to just know that he calls a Mr. Jeff.

Oh, really? Yeah. That was like his main call. calling card. But also like, why did Jeff do that? Like, it was entertaining, but it's just so random that these people were partaking in a bit, right? Christian's like, we should come up with this whole Willy Wonka-esque fantasy for what

tribal council is to allure them in to make them throw challenges. And then Jeff's like, and me too. I'm getting in all this too, guys. It's a little like Amy Polar and Mean Girls. I'm like, you're cool mom. Yeah, exactly. You're like, hey, guys, I'm not a regular host. I'm a cool host.

I mean, do you think he was like practicing these impressions in the mirror? He's like, I got to find the right time. Probst, this is your shot. Yeah, he's taken his moment to shot. You know, we've gone 50 seasons and I didn't know Jeff Probsted impressions. That's true. I'm fine with it. Give it to me.

Yeah, I'm like 99% sure. Jeff is preparing for some sort of like Survivor themed variety show. I think between the repression, between the impressions. I'm expecting. Austin Rob. Well, he's got to, I mean, he's got to fill the time. So I'm sure that's next on the docket. I want his type five.

You know what I mean? Like, I just feel like, why not? He's really going for it. Well, here's the thing, though, Leanna, you just sparked this idea in me, because this was to the Sela tribe. What if Jeff heard about the talent show and was like,

I'm making a late entry? That is exactly what I meant happened. Listen, Rizzo can do freaking Mickey Mouse. Why don't I? Actually, it wasn't the Sela. No, it was to a completely other tribe. What am I talking about?

He's like, listen, they held a talent show. This is my talent. Don't you agree I win the talent show, Vatou? And they're like, we're going to, we've been here three times now, Jeff. I don't know what you're talking about at this point. No, that's probably what sparked it. I mean, I would have preferred. Like, at least Jeff did impressions instead of just jumping over and starting to wail on Christian.

Because if we got a review. Exactly. Imagine if Jonathan Charlie right. like, I got a talent. Come here, are you, Bickey? WW.E. Bragg and punch. Yeah, exactly.

We're going to do some stage fighting. But, you know, I enjoyed the stage fighting too. Yeah, this is a very shenanigans filled season. And I kind of love it. And again, not to despair as Jeff too much. Like, he's tried stuff. And I think, again, 67% of the impressions he made were pretty darn good. And when he started, I think given the trauma we lived through of the past few weeks,

I think we were all like, where is this going? Yes. What are we doing? Are we a captive audience in Jeff Probst's laugh factory? Is this what the temple has become this season? That's what I'm saying. It was more fun than spearfishing. I'd watch 15 minutes of Jeff.

Now, if it was Jimmy Fallon coming in to judge impressions of the contestants, would that make it better or worse? I would still be on board. I love impressions. Doesn't he do the one with the wheel and the singing impressions? Is that him? He's also an impressionist himself. What if the next floor challenge is like,

who does the best impressions of other survivors? Jeff's like, I'll get us started off here. I'll demonstrate. You know, it would be interesting. Well, let's go from impressions to not so good first impressions, that one Rizzo Belevick left with Charlie. It is a dynamic that bore out here in the vote and ended in Charlie getting taken out by,

ironically enough, a women's alliance, one that he spurred in the first premers that he participated in. So, Christine, give me your thoughts on how this all kind of fleshed out. Were you surprised that Charlie was the one to go here? You know, well, because of the editing of the episode, Like, they don't usually give the person who is going to come out on top so much airtime. Like, Rizzo in the edit, I mean, just watching it, I thought that Rizzo was going to come out on top, like, in general, because of the alliances and stuff.

But I started to second guess myself because they showed him being like, I'm going to go far in this game. And that's the kiss of death. The second you say something like, I'm good at this, you're getting voted out. So at the end, I was a little nervous. I was like, wait a minute, is Taylor Swift going to come out on top because she always does? But she didn't. Charlie did. Just a proxy for Taylor Swift.

It's fine. Alliance is like the basis that we had was correct. Like Rizzo was going to get through. But it was just a wild edit in the survivor world for someone who was going to get through. We don't see edits like that for somebody who wins the vote. It was almost. Like, I don't know. It was, it was just so intensely Rizzo-focused the entire time that I was like,

huh, are we getting rid of them? This doesn't seem like what was going to happen. But I was sad for Charlie because he got stuck in this classic, like, fishback sort of vibe when he came back, just getting stuck in the, the, um, PTSD of the last time. And it's so sad when that happens. Like, I just, it was taking me back. Was it second chances? or what was that season?

Yeah, second chance, yeah. Second chance, where I was just like so sad of how focused he got on that and that's what it was reminding me of with Charlie. Like I was like, stop focusing on it.

It's going to get you voted out because I love Charlie. And so yeah, it was sad to watch Operation Bad Blood be very successful. Why does everything have to be an operation? Genevieve, Andy, and Sam.

Why did you bring this upon us because there was also Operation Save Angelina from Mike last week. Not everything needs to be a in many ways in Survivor and maybe the world. Not everything needs to be a full scale military

operation. We could just sort of have a vote happen without needing to name things. But I suppose if you want to build hype for something on the island It's the hype building. They need a name. Yeah. Oh God, we got lots of names. We got nicknames from coach this episode.

Like, they're naming everything in 50, but I mean, kind of here for that as well. Yeah. Yeah, it was, you know, obviously Charlie's edit was super interesting

because it was so focused on his relationship with Rizzo and that previous trauma that came from his season. So that was very interesting to sort of see it just play out and like kind of a neat little bow. Right?

Like it just like, okay. And that's all from Charlie. He just kept getting the same sound bite. Like the same. same like he voted for he didn't vote for he's number one and I just kept being so frustrated

and I was like but they were both his number one and it wasn't even real and also like there are other reasons that Charlie has described in his active press right? The fact that Rizzo is such an unknown factor and he was the only one from his tribe that it's like an easy person to cut but yeah I think that listen we can certainly get into

a lot of discussion that has been around the edit and the narrative this particular week but I think this is a key example of like Charlie did not have the complicated edit whatsoever that he got in Survivor 46. He was essentially meant to serve a purpose, which is like Rizzo's first rival. He did rivalry. Yeah. He did rivalry.

Exactly. And what I will say too is that I also think, Leanna, in retrospect especially, there was no climaticism to this vote. Because if you think about who is the swing vote? Camilla. Camilla. Who was Camilla working with on the old Kolo tribe? D. So wherever D goes, you would imagine, unless Camilla and Charlie have formed this incredibly

tight lightning quick bond that we didn't see, she would easily go in the direction of D. Even in this episode, she like already was like, Charlie was too slow. His game is too sneaky. I'm not on board. Yeah, I think that the nail in the coffin especially was finding out about the idol when Rizzo beat her to the punch, I think, or beat, beat Charlie to the punch in telling Camilla, I think then it was like, yeah, exactly. It was basically, the play fighting of Idol reveals. So I think that that really did him in. I think also when you have a tribe that doesn't go to tribal council or players that don't

go to tribal council, I think there's a certain level of antsiness where in if you're going regularly, you're just like, can we please have a sense of stability? Let me just stay with my old tribe. Let's just all vote together. We're like, we haven't gone yet. Let's do something fun. I'm like wanting a crazy night out at tribal council. So I think that that was sort of also the energy.

I'm sure that Dee was going into it with and I can understand that, right? Why would you just go with Jonathan and Charlie, who you feel like are dictating when you can take control and play with Surrey and Rizzo, even though even denoted Surrey was a threat? But thankfully, our girl was safe. So we're good. Survived another week. If she gets past like one tribal with any, any tribe that she just makes it forever. Well, I don't know. I don't think Dean necessarily knows that part of the key to Ceri's success is to just marry as many people on the island as you can.

Oh my God. Congratulations are in order. Oh my God. I didn't send a gift yet. But yeah. Well, here's the question. Like, can I just re-gift what I gave her and Rick when she said to Rick that they were married a few episodes ago? Do you think Rick and Rizzo would talk of like, wait a minute?

The story also say. How many husbands does she have? Polygamy is legal and survivor. She's doing so well. For her. I think everybody wants to think that they're also like their Ceres number one husband. Look, and I mean, of course, don't get me wrong. Love Ceree.

But I have to give credit where credit is due to Rizzo that I, Rizzo, we've seen win over Colby, win over Ceree. Yeah. When Ceres initial, like both times the initial reaction to Rizzo was like, I am not calling this man Rizzo. God. And then we see in confessionals, she's all for it. And I just, I really love that

arc for him. So yeah. And I think that was the same arc we all had watching 49. Like we were all like going into it like, how dare someone call themselves Riz God? And then you see that first episode with the puzzle and you're like, he's hilarious.

It's like, it's a nerd with this, this undying confidence. Like, it's so fun. That's the thing. is that if you ever wanted something that was like emblematic of the perception of Rizzo, it's that scene from season 49 when he attempted to fish and he's waddling out with the flippers and he falls over after six steps. Like not to say that he's like this complete goofball,

but it's like this is a really nice sweet kid who means well, but it can also like get up to some fun devious stuff. But this is where they benefit from not seeing his season. Like, you know, he's trying to certainly tell as much as he can. maybe not a great look, Rizzo, from that one scene we saw him, he's like, listen, I'm not going to tune my own home here. I'm not doing.

I'm pretty well. Like, I think I did. I think I'm a pretty darn good strategist. Now, maybe it's because they're like, okay, you know, then he's, he's not going to hide anything necessarily. He knows that he had to do some pretty good shit to get onto 50. But at the same time, he does seem humbly

presenting himself in a way that makes people feel like, okay, I can work with him, or at least like, yes, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't, but he does not seem as dangerous of a player, especially if the game he is touting, which is pretty much undeniably true, which is like, hey, I was in the minority, I had this alliance, I stuck to my alliance, I had an idol that I didn't play for a while.

I was able to partially get everyone to turn on one another. Again, those are all pretty good qualities to market, especially in comparison to some of these other back-to-back players like a Russell Hans, as an example. Yeah. And he has this quality where he can laugh at himself and he's self-aware. And that's what makes us all endear to him. No matter how ridiculously over-the-top confident he comes off, like if you don't know him,

he still is like fun and laughing and keeps you feeling lighthearted about it. So it's not taken too seriously, which I think is the key to his success. Yes. This time of year, the school calendar really starts to fill up. Spring activities, testing season, and that final push toward the end of the year. It's a great moment for kids to stay focused and build confidence in what they're learning. That's where Iexel comes in. I Excel is an award-winning online learning platform that helps kids truly understand their schoolwork, from math and reading to writing and science. It's designed for pre-K through 12th grade,

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best price. Do you think that production is happy or angry that the Billy Ilish boomerang idol has seeped out as just an informational aspect to so many different people? Like Rizzo and Charlie told the same person, but like three quarters of that tribe knows it. Obviously, you have that entire alliance at Sela. Emily told basically everybody on Vatu, do you think production wanted that to happen? Or would they prefer that Miss Eilish's impact on the idol, Remainess silent as her actual words about said idol in real life? I mean, the edit says they like it.

I feel like we've heard her name. Survivor is sponsored by Billy Eilish that sees it. Like we've heard it so many times. I feel like they didn't have to show so many Billy Elish Idol scenes. Okay, I'm trying to remember. because when I was watching the episode, I remember being like, did he call it the boomerang idol?

No, he just called it the Billie Irish idol. Now, on the one hand, it could be like, why are you buying shorthand? But on the other hand, if I'm picking up what you're putting down right now, is it that Rizzo purposely obscured the boomerang part to not fill people in on the concept of like,

oh, when you're voted out with it, it comes back to the person. But would he know as the recipient? Because if I remember when Aubrey received the idol, it was just, hey, here's a gifted idol. But Genevieve told him what that idol was. Oh, okay.

That's why when he got the idol, he's like, oh, I know what this is. Yes. Okay. I think he's purposefully obfuscating that there's a boomerang aspect to it. So I think that that to me still brings a level of intrigue because if I was going to be like, yeah, and then it goes back. Like if I was completely transparent about the fact that if you vote me out, yeah, then my idol goes back.

Like, why, why would you say that? Yeah, right, exactly. And then he can always be like, well, that's what I heard, too, if they find out that it boomerangs. Like, I think it's a safe life. I think one of my favorite runners this season, the amount of screen time Camilla's had is criminal at this point, but I love the small moments where you could just see her mentally dissociate

from all of the chicanery that's going on between the rapping where you see her, you know, we played the video, when I was on the podcast and she's like half in frame, just not like completely sitting there stone face like Sophie in response to Jack and Jill, but still like I'm not entirely into this. And then this episode, when Rizzo tells her,

the first time she finds out about the Billy Elish Idol, to say it's a thousand long stare would be an understanding. She's just like, I am trying to figure out all the steps, not only I took in my life, but the world has taken to get to the point where I have been told there is an authentic Billy Elish idol in the game.

Like I think we all need those times, right? Especially in today's day and age, to kind of sit and reflect in how reality is sometimes stranger than fiction. And here Camilla is being reconciled with that on pretty much in every episode basis so far. Yeah. I also just love the moments like she's always,

we always get her saying like, you know, this is probably a lie. but I'm just going to believe it for now. Like she's, and it's been really fun to see those little tidbits, like about Kyle on his death bed. Oh my God. That was so.

But he's dead. Yeah, like it doesn't really make sense that they, he would be like a brother figure, but whatever. I love, again, speaking to this is Rizzo tripping over in the flippers, right? It's the pure audacity of this man to be like,

you're not going to believe it. Kyle told me something while he was hot. mopping into the boat, he looked at me, tears in his eyes, and he said, Riz Konda forever, you have to stick with Camilla from here on out. That's my dying wish. Yeah, exactly. It was in his will. Honestly, like, that scene was so dramatic when he was like, win for me, guys, win for me.

Yeah. Like, there was certainly a moment initially where I was like, that sounds believable. And then Rizzo took it to the Rizzo level of doing exactly what we're talking about Christine, where it was joking. so much, so over the top. It's like, this is, I no longer believe you. But it's so fun, right? Because like, there are, there are different ways you can both dance on the grave of these,

you know, recently the part of players, but also in this case, sort of exhumed the corpse or rewite the will to be like, oh, and actually, Kyle bequeathed to me your friendship. So now you are my friend. My friend. Honestly, it worked. I feel like it worked. Honorable. Sorry.

We're BFFs now. But I do think, I think Rizzo gave me one of my favorite lines from, well, certainly my favorite line from this episode. I'm not sure where it ultimately ranks,

but it was when he was, first of all, sleeping in a boat, which what a great scene. Yes, what a great scene. And I think the line, hold on,

at the crackad on, Charlie knocks on my boat. I guffod. Amazing. Such a good line. Amazing. It's an incredible. I mean, again, leave it to Rizzo to be like, all right, you all can stay here.

I'm going to sleep in my little dog house down by the shore. If anyone needs me, step in my office. Oh, my God. Would this leg over the seat? It's like curled up in the feet. It's like when you try to sleep on a red eye on a plane and you're like hunched over the tray table. Like that's what Rizzo was taking on. I get it gets you off the ground, man.

I was like, yeah, maybe less bugs in the boat. Listen, man, life of pie. was on an aspirational story. You shouldn't be able to live that way. Oh my gosh. There's some privacy in there. Apparently until Charlie's like, hey, buddy.

Sun's about to rise and so are our prospects. Did you tell it? And that's also my fun thing too, is that Charlie tries to approach this in the most nonchalant way. Imagine if you're trying, you're trying to get an limited amount of sleep in this game.

And not only are you woken up when it's still dark outside, but it's someone whispering to you, have you said anything about our good friend Billy? And he's like, what are you talking about? He goes, Billy, Billy Elish. Like, just what an odd way to broach a conversation? I guess he's trying to take the soft approach.

But it's like, it's like, oob, like it's soft, get confusing. Yeah, and it's also like weird because Rizzo's the one that told Charlie about Billy Eilish. So like, he gets to choose who he tells about and why would he tell you who he told you who he told almost is how I was feeling in that moment. I was like bold question. And like to me, I'm like, okay, Charlie's been thinking about this and mulling about this. And first thing in the morning, hey, so, uh, did you just tell anybody about Billy out? Like, okay, this man is on something thinking about and being paranoid about this.

I read flag to me. I don't know. I mean, Charlie infamously said in Survivor 46 that like the best conversations were the ones that are had first in the morning. So he's taking his own advice here. That's true. It almost just comes off, though, like, am I special? Like, do you only tell me? Am I your best friend?

Yeah, like, we're exclusive, right? You're not going to be a serri and entertain multiple partners right now. You have a promise ring, Rizzo. Meanwhile, like every confessional, I hate him. Can we go back to the coach nicknames for a second? because unfortunately not a lot to be seen from Kalo for the second week in a row. No Zach Brown, no air time for you, Kallow. This is the loan exception where coach is like, I've changed.

Also, I'm giving nicknames to people. Wow. It's not Dungeons and Dragons. It's what it was like the oak monk? Oak. I don't have Oak Warrior. So it is the Oakbound Warrior for Colby. And it is the Stonebell Monk for Jeff.

Oh, okay. Oak bound warrior. I had an oak bell warrior because I thought he was sticking with a bell theme. I don't know why. You're all my bells. You're the bell of my ball. Yeah, the bells of the balls.

Yeah. The juxtaposition was hilarious with like, Colby kept trying to look at us. It's fighting so hard not to. And they both seemed honored, at least in confessional. I don't know if they actually feel that way. Well, but it's also like,

this is the difference between the two men. is like Joe seems to very authentically take this as a compliment of like, right on, man. I know this means a lot to you. So it means a lot to me. Yeah. I'll be ringing your praises like that stone bell you made me out to be. I'm solid as a rock.

I think Colby's like, well, hell, coach. Thanks, man. Sure. Yeah. You know what? Yeah, I'll take it. The guy calls himself the Riz God. Yeah, I'll be a tree man.

Whatever. It was the, the subtle smile, like trying not to not to Fulgren. I need the rest of the nicknames. That's what I'm waiting on, because I'm sure there's more. So Aubrey said,

and I don't know if this is true or not, she said online her nickname was, it might have been Veritas, which is one of the daughters of Zeus, I believe. And obviously, you know, I'm assuming it has some sort of realm in truth. I mean, Christine,

I want to get your thoughts on coach here because this also sort of flies in the face, this entire editor-around coach of the coach of the first couple episodes, right? Which is like, Coach Snake's Ozzy. Everyone tells everyone about how much of like a simultaneous hypocrite and snake coaches. Coach calls it out on the mat. But then we get this huge, not like mastermind at it, but coach is at the center and in an alliance with pretty much every single member of the tribe.

I mean, like, coach is funny and ridiculous as he is, played a really good game last time we saw him play. I feel like he's underestimated because of how ridiculous he is. I feel like he's doing a great job being coach. And I was so entertained by how he reacted when he heard that Ozzie had said that he stole the key. That whole situation was so ridiculous. Like it was perfectly fine for you to steal the key.

Like he didn't have to get up. and arms about it. Yeah. Eat my shorts, Ozzy. It was just so over the top and dramatic and his face and like Mike commenting on it. Like what a perfect storm of just hilarity.

So I think he's playing a great game because that kind of stuff also makes people underestimate you the more ridiculous you are. And he does have a good social game. Everyone does seem to have a fine relationship with him. So I mean, I think he's doing he's doing, he's playing the balance.

I also like how self-looking his confessions when he was like, don't get cocky, bring it down. I was like, oh, look at you. Yeah, I think, well, he's done a good job. I think cultivating that honor and integrity alliance and really spearheading that and bringing everybody together. So I think the true test of the honor and integrity will be at this merged situation, potentially.

So whether or not he can actually survive because we haven't seen him go to travel counsel yet, but I agree. At least what we've seen so far. It looks like he's in a really good spot. Yeah. I mean, the funny thing about coaches is like the oxymoron of his, not oxymoron, like the how ironic it is that how he

pushes that so hard. He was on the villains tribe. Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah. No, certainly there's some irony there. Um, it's just, it's funny. And I'm, I'm enjoying it a lot. I mean, I love it. I love that he

uses this confessional to be like, I'm me again, everybody. Finally, I can be myself. Which is just, I mean, it's a very warm moment for coach, but it also is, yeah, very hysterical that he's like, listen, I'm a new man now. I'm not going to use medieval nicknames. Now they're medieval Japanese.

Japanese, Nicknames. It's different now. Yes, because as we all know, Zeus's daughter, very timely in Japanese mythology. out of Piquetteau period, yeah. Yeah. Why didn't we see him give her the nickname? Well, okay.

This leads to the next big point. Because I would be remiss if I didn't ask for both of your thoughts about a lot of the discourse that has been happening in the wake of this most recent episode, some of which has been brought up by the contestants themselves, most pertinently Angelina in her exit press, about so far the disproportionate edit when it comes to the women versus the men. I believe Rob's fact checker said that this episode has, like the more, most disparate balance of gender confessionals since, like, the Ron Boot in Edge of

Extinction, which ironically enough was one of the episodes they wanted us to watch before the season started. So, Christine, what do you make of some of the things that Angelina, Chrissy, or the fans have been talking about how much of a problem do you feel this has been for the season? Well, this is the thing, like thinking of it from like a storytelling perspective, like my assumption with watching the edit are like these are the people that are going to make it all the way to the end. And so like I feel like it's hard to judge

the edit until we've seen the entire season. And then we can go back and be like, okay, these people should have gotten more of an edit because they did make it this far and we know nothing about them. Like when we're not seeing like full edits for these women, my assumption, not assumption, my hope is that like if they go far, we will get like their arcs as we get further into

the game. And I think it's just a little early for like me personally as an audience member who has no idea where they're going to arc how it's how the edit will be as a whole. I am so I love the women on the season. So I would love to see more of them. And I'm hoping that like it'll change as we go along if they be, if they stay in the game. Like right now, our main characters are like Christian and Ozzy. I feel like I see so much of them all the time and coach. And yeah, those are three men. So it would be great to have a woman,

some women come up in the mix, but not knowing where the game goes. I feel like it's just hard to look at it from like a storytelling perspective and know what they're doing yet. Yeah, I think, I think it's interesting because there are, let's say a hundred stories all going on

on the island at one time. They only have room for 10. So the editors are picking and choosing which 10 stories they feel, or 10 moments that they feel are most relevant to the overarching story of season 50. So without knowing how it ends, I agree with you. I want to see how it plays out. Obviously, my eye, hmm, you know, I got that, I get the little sussy, like, you know, the eyeglass emoji, right?

Like, I am judging silently, but I am also willing to hear them out, right? Like, let me see what the rest of the season has in store before. I immediately jump on it. But I can imagine that if you're out there, of course, you're going to be frustrated that things aren't being shown. So I totally see where Angelina and Chrissy are coming from. No, me too. Yeah.

I mean, of course, like it would suck to like be out there and like feel like your story isn't being told at all. And I completely get that. Right. Well, and especially when someone like Q, who's an early boot has a pretty heavy story.

And then you have Anna who's also an early boot that has what zero editing. So then I'm like, okay, like is something Q did early relevant? Was Angelina doing nothing? I don't think that that was the case based on what I've heard from exit press. So, yeah, there's certainly a little bit of a, is there some bias going on in terms of which storylines of those 100 we think are relevant, right? Because there's no clear cut answer.

It's like, oh, yeah, of course, anyone objectively looking at it would, of course, pick these 10. There's bias there for sure. And then that's what it comes down to. I think even if you just look at, okay, there's two paths we can go down. can go to Angelina's reaction to losing her number one ally and allegedly telling Christian, America's going to hate you, or watching Ozzie get blindsided for the umpteen time and then talking about how Christian tries to rebuild this fractured relationship. And as you mentioned,

I think it comes down to just the decisions that they make about the stories they feel are relevant, whether it has longevity, whether it's highlighting a moment that they find interesting. And I think that's where maybe unconscious biases do come into play. I think there's so many things that are factored in here. One of them being, I completely agree that I think, listen, Angelina, Chrissy, you know, D, Camilla, Tiffany, all of whom have been sort of voicing their

opinions online, all are within their right to be like, yeah, it sounds. We were playing this game. Even someone like Dee, right, like you could largely credit the Charlie Blindside more so too than Rizzo, who didn't even realize that Charlie was coming after him until Dee told him. But for whatever reason, they're choosing

to highlight mostly men here. And it is something that is not unfortunately the first time that we've seen this. I mean, even if you look back to something like Heroes versus Villains, which is an incredibly heralded season, like, look at Courtney Yates, who?

Look at even like the winner in Sandra got an incredibly quiet at it. Like they very much like to, especially in these returning seasons, pick the people that they want to follow and really emphasize them. And that's the unfortunate thing with returning seasons, especially, is that maybe unlike newbie, seasons where you're gleaning a lot of first

impressions and adjusting your fandom thusly. This is something where I can imagine if you are a fan of these people. That's what stings the most. Right. It's like I really wanted to see Chrissy back. And all we've been relegated to her is just a scene where she's

momming too much and then coach decides to tell her in the most awkward manner possible and she has a breakdown. It sucks that we don't see more of Chrissy. That's what is really disappointing, I think for a lot of people. there were some people that they were anticipating having come back. All that being said as well,

you bring up, again, the people who have been definitely the most vocal about this, Angelina, Chrissy, Camilla, Tiffany, D, something that should be noted. This, for all of them, is the first time they're coming back. I do wonder if there's something in there. Again, they are absolutely within their right to feel this way, and especially if they feel like there are other stories

that could have been told in lieu of a random 30-second joke of Rick Devons farting in the middle of the jungle. But I do think that this sometimes comes with the territory for kind of everybody with returning player seasons of, hey, you've been highlighted to be one of the big standout characters of your first season. That's why we're bringing you back. But if for whatever reason, erroneous or not, they feel like you are more of a minor character in this story, it's going to be a bit of a night and day comparison. Yeah, it's just not what you're used to. too, right?

I mean, I'm sure also some additional sting probably comes from the fact that they did spend so much time on Zach Brown fishing. Right? Like if it was like, well, don't worry. It's all Survivor. But it's like, um, Zach Brown got more confessions than me. I think that really messed up. I'd be pissed.

I'd be so based. Yes. I get it. I absolutely get it. I get it too. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that definitely doesn't help.

Yeah. When again, we have to say for the second week in a row for half a month, Zach Brown's one-time cameo on Survivor has been. more confessionals than Tiffany, who is still a player in this game, is pretty darn sad. And I think a reflection of, again, maybe some of what people feel is the MO of 50 to a certain extent, which is like highlighting these big flashy fans over like the players that apparently are in the hands of the fans to begin with. In the hands of the fans.

Yeah. No, it's, I feel like Survivor does often, like, it has these really uneven. in edits. So, like, maybe we're used to it and we're used to the players that are highlighted are the ones that make it farther in the game, usually. It was such, like, I remember watching the first season of that, um, the Squid Game reality show and being so kind of thrown by the editing because we would follow like characters really intensely. And then they'd get voted off like or, you know, eliminated in that episode. And it was so different. It's not really their style. Hmm. You don't get to know everybody.

Yeah. And again, it's tough when you feel like you already know everybody. And again, I feel like there are some things that at least from our perspective, we would have loved to see, even back on like the VATU days, would have loved to see Angelina approaching Aubrey saying, you're my number one. And Aubrey basically saying like, that's cool and not saying, I love you back. And Angelina feel like a certain way about it.

Basically, Angelina's shenanigans, I think, are the topic de jour this week of all the things that we didn't necessarily see. And it does feel to a certain extent, like almost like with Q, right, you have this somewhat chaotic entertaining player who is bound to come up with shenanigans or have shenanigans foisted upon her. It'd be fun to highlight some of that. But again,

it is this reminder that they are in service to what they feel are the most important stories. It sucks that some of the stories we feel are important are not highlighted by them. And hopefully, as you mentioned, Christine, wishful thinking, things will balance

out a little bit. It's also indicative of an endgame too. I'm thinking about like 43 versus was 49 where 43 was a very like male dominated season. 49 a very female dominated season and the edits sort of reflected that. So I don't know if this means that we're going to get like a huge brofess like coaching his nickname clan are going to dominate towards the end or if it means that like they all get wiped out. Yeah.

And then the others carry the day through. Yeah. We'll see. Now it is also interesting like when you look at like Ozzy had this big like arc. throughout his seasons of like his growth in general and his being self-aware and we're really like in it and following it and proud of him. But with Angelina,

I feel like she has had this huge arc in her personal growth and it's kind of been to her detriment because she's not as she's not doing things that are as ridiculous so they don't want to highlight it because it's not stuff that'll make you want to like make fun of her and meme. That is such, that's such a good point. I'm going to use a weird sort of ancillary reality TV example

but it's with this in the CBS umbrella so in the Amazing Race season five there was this couple named Collin' Christie that were just off the wall ridiculous even if you're not an amazing race fan and you've heard the quote my ox is broken you sort of know who this is this man was to say he was agro would

be making agro you know feel minimal by comparison like this guy was just added 11 at all times I don't know how he didn't pop several blood veins in the course of this season And then they come back all these years later and now it's from chaos column to calm, Colin.

They practice Zen. They are Ozzy that day after on the beach. And like as a result, they got a fine enough edit. But it is a little bit. And this feels kind of weird on all of our parts on the exploitative part of reality TV fan and be like, no, but do the thing that was more mentally unstable. Oh, got those stick.

Hey, I'm glad you're doing better. But we kind of liked you when you were more entertaining and becoming more on Hage does the days past. Yeah. Do that verbally abusive thing you do. We like that. Do that more. Yeah, like, do that thing that was dumb. Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right.

Well, let's stay on the topic of Angelina here. Let's get into our preseason predictions because we've got two of them, Leanna. So Angelina, obviously, as we mentioned before, quite the personality, at least going in. So how did you think that would pay off this season? What spot did you ultimately negotiate for her? in your boot list.

I did have Angelina going pre-jury. I said that, now, I had no swaps, so with like the OG tried. So you thought the fans didn't vote for a swap? I was hopeful. Anyway, um,

you wanted there to be no swaps? Yeah, I think no swaps is interesting. Um, because I think I wanted like old school, old school, old school, old school.

I gave them rights. I voted for no swaps. I was like, take away the idols. No idols. This time of year, the school calendar really starts to fill up, spring activities, testing season, and that final push toward the end of the year. It's a great moment for kids to stay focused and build confidence in what they're learning. That's where Iexel comes in.

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of Angelina complaining. When Batu loses again, the tribe doesn't overthink it and Angelina is sent out as the perceived weak link. She doesn't go out without a fight trying to trade her clothing items for votes. Her ally was Genevieve and her enemy was Q. I cannot believe that I have been podcasting for more than 10 years with an outright survivor Luddite. No, it would just go off the grid, no idols, no rights. No idols. No, right. Well, I want to see the fishing. I want to see how hard it is for the to be out there. If I was just treated to like a seven-minute segment of some country singer fishing, that would be what Survivor means to me. All right.

It's not taking away the Flint. Okay, anyway. Yeah. I know. I also feel like, especially with returning players, like, unless it rains, they all are able to keep the fire lit. Like, I'm pretty sure Chanel said there. in a podcast you did with Rob a long time ago from 42 that like once you have at least some embers going in that fire pit unless precipitation comes like you could easily get it going again with the right amount of effort.

Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, I would say that I had loftier prospects for Angelina, but I did not get much further up the 50 foot ladder here because I also had her going free jury. I said, Angelina comes into the game a self-professed self-aware queen. But given the prompting she was done,

to negotiate with Jeff after the first immunity challenge. It's clearly the more, that's more so wishful thinking. We'll be treated to a sequence of Angelina gleefully forming a majority alliance with Aubrey, Kyle, Chew, and Rizzo against Colby and Stephanie, followed by a montage of confessionals where everyone laughs incredulously at the idea of working with her. The swap reunites the Goliath power couple of Angelina and Mike. Angelina considers him the next rung in her ladder to the win,

but it's a ladder that's about as faulty as the one Tony made in the last fraternity season. Facing her first tribal council, Angelina is confident that between Mike and her Batu allies, she has the numbers to carry her to the merge. But she's shocked when the others don't think pink, seeing her and Mike is too threatening of a duo to keep in the game for even one vote. Wanting to honor how much she's changed as well as bring everything full circle, Angelina will interrupt Jeff's usual final proceedings after the votes are read. She'll proceed to take off the jacket on her own back and give it to Mike before getting

her torch snuffed. Her ally was Mike. Her enemy was everyone, though she doesn't believe this is the case. Oh, wow. That's crazy. All right, Christine, the pen is in your hand here. You have the narrative.

I forget what, wait, am I choosing the one that's most accurate? Which one is closer? Yeah, I mean, I think it's a no-brainer. Yeah, I mean, it's gotta be Mike here. Mike had the whole jacket thing. Perhaps maybe. confirms how premeditated that was. And it felt almost scripted in a way.

Oh, definitely. Angelina did tell me she had a mind for like a brief microsecond to throw the jacket in the fire. Wait, that would have been great. I wish she should have. I mean, that would have been also incredible for TV. Terrible for the environment. There is a hole in the ozone layer above where Fiji is located. It would have been made so much worse by Angelina's carbon emissions alone.

Yeah, and it was a beautiful sweater. It did look really comfy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Now, let's go to the other boot of the hour and a half here. I'll start with Charlie because I did have Charlie making the jury. Let's see what I wrote here.

Knowing his gamer reputation going in, Charlie chooses to take a more laid back and casual approach to the first part of the game, asking, who's afraid of little old me? It helps, of course, that he has a locked-in relationship with coach, D, and Tiffany, putting him in an easy majority. Knowing old habits die hard, Charlie decides to welcome Chrissy to the party, pal. Somehow, the older woman, younger man dynamic

continues to once again be incredibly secretive, though of course players will insist in their exit press they knew about it the whole time, saying they knew they were trouble. Despite not willing it to be this way, Charlie will become one of the central strategic narrators of his tribe, one of the most well positioned to go anywhere in his wildest dreams.

It's ultimately his decision to gun for Camilla, seeing a fellow dangerous new era end game stand out. When the merge arrives nearly, all of Charlie's connections show up intact. Indeed, as the individual game goes along, it seems that people forget all about the game he was able to cultivate previously as his laid-back CPP personality

amidst the OTT ocean around him mitigates his threat level, giving him plenty of daylight in the game. Charlie will pull up, I mean, still going. Charlie will pull up a repeat win in that grip strength slash cranking challenge, which he knows all too well. and he'll add some final panash when he beats Jeff Probes in a 1v1 showdown

to earn Rice for the entire tribe. That's a fun twist. Oh, I'm looking forward to that. As Charlie nears the final week, he opens up about how he vowed to himself to not let history repeat itself. And so he decides to flip the game and his winner equity on its head, attempting to take out his number one in Chrissy, becoming the anti-hero of the season.

Unfortunately, while you can take Charlie out of Survivor 46, you can't take Survivor 46 out of Charlie. Chrissy is incensed when she discovers his plotting and begins to leave the charge against him saying, look what you made me do. Everyone suddenly realizes, oh yeah, we can't arguably get arguably the best runner-up in the new era to the end again.

Turning the tables. When asked how he feels about casting his first jury vote, Charlie admits, I can do it with a broken heart. His ally was Chrissy and his enemy was eventually Chrissy. There was one Taylor Swift reference that was Old Habits die screaming, not hard. I was just like so focused

on the entire time. That was actually, I didn't mean to make that one. That was a diehard reference. So I didn't realize that was a Taylor Slip song. That's so funny. Inadvent. Yeah, it was almost a Taylor's self reference then.

Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, I certainly didn't write as much of a novel as Mike did. I kind of lost track. Yeah, all right. So I actually did have Charlie prejury. I said that

Kalo quickly establishes themselves as a dominant tribe with Jonathan's strength and Camilla's puzzle prowess carrying them through the early immunity challenges. However, in a shocking loss, the tribe is sent into chaos

as they were not prepared for their first tribal. In this chaos, the tribe quickly narrows in on Charlie and D or Charlie versus D the almost winner versus the actual winner

for the target of the evening. Charlie makes his best pitch giving thoughtful, detailed strategy but only serves as a reminder of how dangerous he is. Charlie becomes the first boot from Kalo taken out before he ever really gets a chance to play or drop several Taylor Swift references. His ally was Chrisie, run back the strat and his enemy was his own threat level. Damn.

I mean, I feel like Leona yours feels more accurate. and he did have a really nice line at that last, not that it was accurate, not that it was actually appropriate to Rizzo because Rizzo did have a great edit and he did come off great, but they had a really nice conversation about watching themselves be portrayed

in comparison to how you see your own story. Yeah, he said, where the heroes, where the hero of our own stories, going through the game in your head, rather than watching Survivor and seeing all the other stories, it colors things differently.

How did you feel about that? because I posted about that on social media and there was a fair amount of people that said like I said okay that maybe that's one of the small downsides of playing back to back but a lot of people feel like no it actually makes you not get in your head I guess it depends on the person but if you had the chance Christine

would you rather play back to back and not be able to watch yourself back and watch the confessionals and everything or would you rather have that time to reflect and then play again? I think me personally I'd like to have the time to reflect. I, because, yeah, if there was, because Rizzo's lucky in that, like, he was portrayed the way he thought he played. And so he was playing fine.

But like, if you learn something important about what your downfall was from watching your season, then I feel like that information is so helpful to have going in the second time. I feel like it depends on your game and what, what, how you, how you perceive the mistakes. that you made in quotes. That's the thing for me is like, what mistakes did Rizzo make? And not to say his game was flawless. I don't think he really made any mistakes.

He didn't create. Learn how to make fire. Like I guess the thing that's still up in the air was like, okay, how much winter equity did he have? Like, was he his stuff with the idols, not playing the idol like irking the jury? But like he went out in fire after making it pretty much as far as he could. And maybe his number one,

maybe not his number one, put him into fire and he lost to his other number one. Like there's not a lot of, I got voted out with an idol in my pocket. My number one ally flipped on me that made him, you know, have to do a lot of reflection. Yeah. I think someone like coach benefits from watching their season. Because like he does perceive himself so differently than everyone else around him

perceived him. And I feel like if you had that sort of experience, it benefits you to kind of sit with it and like try to, you know, take that in mind for the next. time you meet new people on the show. Yeah, I think it really depends on what you're, it's so tough because I can see the argument both ways.

Like I hear the being able to see, oh, that's how that came off. Oh, that was not my intention. I'm happy I got to see that versus if I, like, if you're just a, like to second guess yourself and then have your confidence be completely wrecked and then you get out there when it's a game of trusting your gut and going with the people who you just feel closest to and then you're just like second guessing everything. and you're just like, oh my God, what am I going to do, become a paranoid mess. So I think that there are pros and cons to both.

I think probably the optimal is being able to see yourself, but also having a healthy relationship with being able to watch the story back, right? Which is such a tough needle to thread. So because where you can take in the input. Yeah. I mean, maybe Angelina would have benefited from not playing back to back. Because I do feel like she was probably in her head about how people were going to perceive what she said and did to like an extreme degree.

Yeah, I do wonder to a certain extent, as you mentioned, even without them sort of naturally setting into what this change personality is, how much do you think people's maybe even invisible MO, unintentional MO is like, I want to show these people that I've changed. And so you're like kind of trying to live in a space where you're playing the game, but you're also trying to curb the bad habits that happen the first, second, third, fourth time.

That's what makes returning player season so tough. just from like a mental perspective, it is almost sometimes freeing to play the game for the first time because you don't necessarily know what mistakes could be possibly made. Obviously, you watch the show a bunch of times, but like when you've lived through some of those mistakes,

I don't know, as someone who's very heading himself, I can imagine I'd be plagued a lot. I'd be sitting up in my boat all night, you know, sleepless thinking about like, okay, well, I have to make sure I think about the signs of when I was blindsided at the final 11 last time and make sure that I look out for those signs this time,

but these people are different. Maybe there's different signs. Where are they doing their original seasons? Yeah. Exactly. I just drive myself nuts. It's, it's,

you have to do a lot of mental work going in to, like, not let that happen. It just try to like stay present. Yeah. Or like, yeah, what are the actual like tangible takeaways?

Like what's actually a tangible takeaway? They just feel like especially so much with reading your gut. It's just you can't really. Yeah, you don't know by that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

All right. Well, let us stay. in the present here as we step into the game for this week. And I'm very excited because I guess in honor of Rizzo, we are taking a look back in the annals of Survivor history for the first ever B&B Bad Blood Bracket. Oh my God.

I have petitioned the fandom of Survivor on social media to give me a list of the most iconic one-sided rivalries in Survivor history. in honor of Charlie and Rizzo. So this is not necessarily these two continually butt heads. And listen, we can talk about the criteria. Maybe that will factor into the decisions that we make. But since March is on its way out,

alongside with the pre-merge, let's get into the March Madness for just a little bit here. So I'm going to be bringing you two one-sided rivalries from Survivor History. And whatever criteria you want to use, vote one through. And I will start with a sweet 16, and we'll end this entire charade with one sole survivor at the end of it all. All right, let's go.

All right. And also provide some historical context as well if you may not remember them because obviously there are some very public ones, very memorable ones. And then there are some like fun little Easter eggs that, in honor, I guess, of the upcoming holiday that we may not necessarily remember at the top of our mind. But this first one is one that is incredibly top of mind because we just, just experienced it last season. So the first competitor in this first matchup is going to be Sage and Shannon from Survivor 49.

And so they are going to be going up against a little bit more of a throwback pair and more of a short-lived one, though it was another pre-merge one-sided rivalry. They're going up against Joel and Chet from Survivor Micronesia. So Sage and Shannon, Joel and Chet, Leanna, just give me your thoughts right off the back here. Oh, man, I thought this was a very obvious Sage and Shannon win here. But Joel and Chet is just, it's so, like there's so many good moments from their rivalry. At all.

So what they're most associated with is actually this image here where, I mean, they were definitely on separate sides throughout the first iteration of the fans tribe in Micronesia. you know, Joel was part of this sort of like Alpha Alliance. She was one of the outsiders. But then there's this challenge where they're running it in pairs. They essentially had to like tag the other pair in this giant pointy obstacle course where the goal is to essentially put someone in traction. And Joel and Chet end up being paired together and they're tied together.

And Joel is just dragging Shet for the entire like course. Smacks them on a bunch of stuff. All right. And then there's the iconic exchange at the end where Chet that says, I hit my head back there. Joel replies, I don't care. I don't know. Okay.

Yeah. I remember now. I do think, though, in having a moment to digest it. And maybe this is recency bias, but I feel like Sage and Shannon, it was, I mean, there were just so many moments throughout multiple episodes that was such a focal point that I feel like I do have to go with Sage and Shannon here for my, my winner pick. What do you think, Christine? I would go with Sage and Shannon, too.

I feel like they had a very strong storyline with that rivalry. And, yeah, Joel and Chet, this is the problem with fans versus favorite seasons. Like, I, the fans disappear from my mind so quickly because you're so focused on the favorites. That's why I didn't remember their names. Yeah, I would agree with Sage and Shannon as well, just because it did become more of a prominent plot point.

Yes. I also feel like we're going to get into. a little bit of this gray area in terms of like what is a one-sided rivalry? Like there might be some acrimony between them, but it definitely is felt on more than one person one person specific side. That's how I've

sort of defined it. I would say that it wasn't like, Shet was completely aloof as to the way Joel felt about him. If anything, Joel made that all too prominent with the grace of a truck, which was his nickname. So while it is a funny

one-sided rivalry, I would argue, Chet and the pole that he got banged into is maybe more of a one-sided rival. I think that if you're looking for like, you know, this might be a dark horse candidate, honestly. I know it's a very recent one, but like Sage and Shannon, Shannon truly had no idea the way Sage felt about her. Sage was totally nice to her to her face. And then the second Shannon turned around, literally she would roll her eyes.

And so I think if you're looking in particular at the one-sided aspect of one-sided rivalry. This is a very recent one, but it's a very good emblematic example. Yeah, 100%. All right, we've got a couple of themed ones here. The seating is mostly random, but I did want to go between a couple that were pretty similar. So these two are going to be about one particular contestant and their separate rivalries over the course of the one season they participated on. The first one is Naianca and Fabio As Jeff Probes quoted back in his own impression of Naenka, Fabio, she don't like you

and then of course we have Naianca wasn't done just yet All the smoke was not reserved only for Fabio as we also have Naiaanka versus Kelly B the woman with the one leg who Naianca wrestled to the ground at one point What are you thinking Leanna?

Oh my gosh. This is tough because I think I feel like I'm trying to remember if there was a distinction between I remember her throwing that like I remember more about Nianca with the leg but I can also see her giving the confessions about Fabio. I'm trying to like remember the intensity of both and if there was one that was stronger than the other. Christine, how much Nicaragua do you have at the mind at any point in time? Nicaragua is one of the two seasons I did not rewatch when I did my full rewatch of all 40 seasons. Wow, I know, it's coming back to bite you. It's coming back to bite me in the ass.

I, yeah, I like vaguely remember the, oh my God, what was her name? Kelly. Kelly. Kelly. Kelly. So I don't remember the Fabio rivalry. Let me paint a picture a little bit here. So, talk about the Fabio rivalry.

So Naia would do things in particular. I think the rivalry was at its most prominent in the very beginning of the game. Nanga does go on to vote for Fabio to win. and it is a vote that wins him the game at the end of the day. But for example, Nianca can't find her socks and she thinks Fabio stole her socks. So she just takes his socks and starts walking around with them. At tribal council where there's just all this wild shit going on.

Nayanka just comes out of nowhere to basically be like, every time I talk to Fabio, he has something smart to say, like I'm dumb. Fabio, I don't like you. And Fabio is literally looking up at the sky like, please God, tell me why this had to happen. Give me a reason why this existed. So this is certainly a one-sided rivalry

and that Fabio is incredibly confused as to why Deianka feels this way about him because from his perspective and ours, he didn't do anything to her. Kelly B. So Kelly, of course, reveals that she has a prosthetic leg in the beginning. And Deianka immediately goes on the warpath

in confessional and in person talking about how she might be a detriment in the challenge, I believe the direct quote that she mentions, let's see, something along the lines of, it's like mentally she's there, socially, she's there, physically she's not at 100%

because of the fact that she has one leg or like, if she runs, that leg's going to come flying off. She sat out a challenge to make sure that Kelly Bruno wasn't a weak link. And obviously this all comes to a head when at the reward that one of the time to win in a challenge,

there's like an idle clue in the basket of fruit. The two of them happened to be carrying it back. And then the two of them basically wrestle for the clue. And there's a lot of talk about how Nianca shoved a woman with one leg. Yeah. That I remember that. The Fabio stuff feels like a story, but I love it. I love the socks story. Well, I think eventually since she ended up voting for Fabio to win, like I did forget that detail. So I think I would have to go with Kelly B and Nianca here. I mean, that one's definitely more intense.

That one's more intense. And it feels even more one-sided because, yes, it's still one person, but it feels like almost a little extra because Niaanka is specifically talking so much about Kelly's leg. Yes. Right. Yes. That's what I remember. You did say at one point, I think like, I'm going to push her so hard that leg's going to come off.

Yeah. This picture was memorable. Like, those lines stuck with you. Yeah. I think Leonka was more so, maybe I should amend it to like being Kelly's leg more so than Kelly the person. It seemed like that was the thing she had had the problem with. Yeah.

All right. Next up here, let's get to a category for the ladies. We've got a couple of big ones here. So the first one is going to be from

Survivor Samoa, Shambo, and Laura Marette. And they are going up against one of the most talked about rivalries

of the 20s, Abby Maria. Oh, this is tough. This is tough. This is tough. Have you all talked about how, like, why did no one tell Ozzy going into this season that he had a shambo haircut? Chameau haircut? Why? Why did no one say that this is a bad haircut to have?

Ozzy's been living off the grid in Mexico, like making a restaurant. He didn't, he didn't been keeping up on Survivor hairstyles. He went through the catalog on the Survivor Wiki and went to supercuts and he pointed to shabbo. He said, give me that one. That one. I was just like, why did you have a few gold to Survivor 50 with the Shambo cut?

I can't. Anyway, sorry. I will, I'll speak up here first because this is a really tough one, right? Both of these in theory could have made elite eight runs, if not final four runs. So here's the thing.

What's honestly so fun about this is I feel like each of these rivalries has the opposite perception. It has the perception of the other one. I should say, because I rewatched a bunch of clips of Shambo versus Laura. And yes, Shambo absolutely has a hate burger for Laura Morrett. She says at one point that she's a viper. She's Medusa. She's an evil demon.

She's the bane of my existence in Samoa. Like she just goes on and on about how much she despises Laura. But Laura also does not like Shambo. She calls us Shambo a complete Gilligan. There, of course, is the iconic confess. where Shambo comes back after not catching any fish. And Laura goes like, the good news is you won't believe it. There's fish in the ocean.

There's also a really awkward moment that I forgot about where Shambo and Laura are on the beach. And Shambo like breaks down talking about her dead sister. And Laura's like, they're in a better place. It's okay. They're there. It does like the Jack Donagy with the broom to Liz Lemon. And so it is a little bit more two-sided than I remember. Abby and RC

that certainly feels two-sided by the end, right? Especially if you remember the way R.C. treated Abby Maria in Ponderosa. But the way this was brought about is so incredibly one-sided. It starts off even where Abby and R.C. locked in and Abby just sees R.C. talking to Mike Scoopin. And look, maybe that's more a progenitor of like,

if you see anyone talking to Mike Scoopin, it's a problem. But she then basically sits R.C. down. And it's like, what are you talking about? I know you're lying about what you're talking about. out. And R.C. is like, I just think he's, I like him as a person. And Abby's like, this is a game. Grow up. Don't vote like that. This obviously then spins out

into the whole instance where Pete hides the idol clue. At this point, actually, Abby had found the idol without R.C. did not move her in, but it's the pure audacity. It's the principle of the thing for her to have this clue out in the open. When again, R.C.

did not, from our perspective, really do anything to make Abby feels so paranoid to immediately break their relationship. So again, maybe I'm coloring things too much with the commentary and, you know, exposition that I set up here. I personally am going to go with Abby and RC. Even if it's more remembered as a two-sided rivalry, it's actually a lot more one-sided than you may think.

I'm going to go Abby too. I think that one was more memorable in general. Well, and I remember it was so fast. It was like, oh my God, they're best friends. Nope. No. And Abby Heath's her. So, okay.

Yeah, I make it three for three. I'm voting for Abby and RC as well. All right. Let's move into our next matchup here. And now, Battle of the Big Boys. So first up here, let's stick on the Philippines train, shall we? We have a recent inductee to the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame, Jeff Kent, and Jonathan Penner. And then they're going up against actually a Survivor 50 Katz member, but not their

current one-sided rival, but a previous one, it is coach and his initial dragon, Brendan. Christine, give me your thoughts. You know, these one-sided rivalries, like, I don't really, like, remember the beef that they had. I just know I like the coach one better. You got to go with your gut. You know what's so funny?

I was trying to remember the specifics as well, and I was like, like, when I read, I was like, yeah, it's coach. I just remember him being like so peeved. Why? Why? I don't know why. But I just know that that's the one. I mean,

what it came down to you and what makes it so one-sided is the fact that like basically they asked the tribe, okay, who should be the leader? And they say, oh, it should be Brendan. And coach is like, that's right. This man has barely any leadership experience. I've conducted orchestras and led soccer teams to chip multiple championships.

And then then it sort of became this thing. where coach, I think, was sort of projecting something on Brendan, I would imagine of like, this guy is trying to be the person that I should be. And so then he gets blown up into the dragon. Now, eventually Brendan does catch wind a bit or at least is fed up enough with coach that he tries to turn against him at the merge. But yeah, that's more so what it comprises up. Again, less of who Brendan is and I think more so what he represented to coach.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Any rivalry with coach is going to try. don't get anything. All right. Well, unfortunately, that we're going to give the finger

to the four finger handshake then of Jeff Kent and Jonathan Penner, which is actually very fun. When you think about it in hindsight, there's a lot of tiki tack going on, but Jeff Kent goes home in an absolutely wild vote that Jonathan Penner accidentally makes happen when he is misled into voting a completely other way.

I think it was like, it's the final 10. I think it was like a five to four to one vote or something. And so basically, Penner accidentally gets Jeff Kent voted out, which truly shows how one-sided of a rivalry it was. But he is left in the dust for now.

Okay, next up, let's get another themed matchup going on here. These are both from Survivor 47. So, we have Sue and Kyle. In case you don't remember, Sue certainly does. Kyle did write down her name and she told it to anyone in anything that could listen and they are going up against a pair

that went against each other not only in the game but in the fires of tribal council in Tini and Sam Hmm All right these are interesting I feel like these have almost similar levels of intensity if I'm remembering 47 correctly

I feel like I remember teeny hating Sam more. Me too. But is that accurate? I feel like there was a lot of that. No, there's a lot of talk about it, right? Really didn't like Sam. Yeah.

So at least Suze and Kyle's had this like montage, right? This very fun moment where she was going to every single person and being like just complaining about Kyle, about how he's hypocritical, about how he voted for her about how she's going to get his revenge and wipe the smug smile off of his face. She says it in confession at one point, I hate you, Kyle.

Tini and Sam obviously is a little bit more serious, as Tini will talk about at the end. I think he realizes that he projected a lot onto Sam of, again, what he represents more than who he actually is, but the acrimony was certainly there. There was at one point, remember, that actually, I believe it's the episode where Operation

Italy is enacted, where Sam is going to the sanctuary for Italian food and doesn't pick Teeny and Teeny is pissed off. I can't basically Vince like Sam just quit the game. Does pulls at Jeff Probst and does his own impression of Sam be like, oh, I don't know, guys, it was a really tough decision. And then in the final four, I remember, there's at one point where Rachel pretty much announces like,

yeah, sorry, it's going to be Teeny versus Sam in FireMegie. And Sam's like, oh, you sure about that? And T literally says, fuck you. Like, you're so arrogant. What do you mean saying that? And so it does feel like a little bit more of a, a happier ending than Sue and Kyle. But I mean, Tini does literally say at one point in tribal council

that he has a one-sided rivalry with Sam. That is lampshading it to say the least. Yeah. Yeah, Teeny Sam for sure. I'm going to go to Tini Sam too. Teeny Sam for sure. All right. Just a few more matchups here.

Let's get into... This is going to be a unique one. I had to put this one in. This was my own submission from Survivor Pearl Island. Sometimes these rivalries don't just exist with contestants. Oftentimes,

survival at least initially was depicted right as a battle with the elements and also with each other. So sometimes a Pelican sneaks into your camp and Survivor Pearl Island. Oh my God.

And so this is Pelican Pete versus Austin. And they are going up against quite another meat cute that happened on the beaches. is Leanna and Zander from Survivor 41. Oh, has to be

Leanna and Zander. You're the romance author, so I'm sure you have a perspective on this. No, I loved the dynamic with Leanna and Zander. Like, didn't he have, like, a crush on her? And then she was just like, mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, don't get me wrong. Like, the Austin segment is so funny. It's so, so, so funny. but it's a stretch to put an animal in here. I love the creativity, Mike, but this is the 16th seed that just barely made it. And it's like, oh, that's nice that they're here.

Listen, I wanted Pelican Pete to have a Cinderella story, okay? I want him to make a... Maybe one year. Lots of upsets. I'll vote for Pelican Pete because I love this one side of rivalry of this bird just flying in and causing all havoc. And this man having nothing to do with it, that he has far and away the most acrimony

besides maybe towards the producers of any of any. one in this game towards a random animal that happens to wander into the camp. I think it is so unique and so fun. Though, again, we'll talk more about Leanna and Zander in round two. Certainly a very unique yet somewhat kind of like tropey, one-sided rivalry between them as well. We don't get it much in Survivors. So it's great. All right.

Next up, let's go to another throwback here. This is one that was mentioned a couple times, but people might not. necessarily remember Zoe and Tammy from Survivor Micronesia just to paint the scene a little bit. So this is after the fall of the Road 2-4 where John Carroll is voted out. Zoe and Tammy were in the same alliance, but then Zoe decides to sort of cut bait immediately and denies any involvement in that alliance. Tammy then confronts her about it. And Zoe outright tells her like, yeah, we had a pretty loose friendship and Tammy's taken completely by surprise.

Zoe then says, you want me to tell you this from the get-go? I didn't like you. I didn't really dig the way your eyes were, your presentation. To which Tammy replies the confessional, I've changed my opinion of Zoe. Zoe's a bitch.

And so whether it was the eyes of the presentation, no love loss between these two former allies. And they are going up against another really unique pair here. We're going to Survivor Worlds Apart. We often do not. We want to treat 30-30, you know, in the quarantine atmosphere that it should be in.

Let's talk about Vince Lye and Joey Amazing here. Minslie only lasted two episodes on Survivor Worlds Apart, but he caused quite a stir. He was a coconut vendor. He sought truth, and the truth was he had a big old crush on Jen Brown, and when she did not reciprocate, and he believed that she was instead,

crushing and courting Joe. He got incredibly jealous. He felt that Joe was his biggest competition because they had such a similar set of skills inherently. Then Vince actually confronts Joe, as is in this clip, of like, basically taking all the credit for how good the camp looks, including the stuff that Vince was doing. And they'd come to an understanding in that moment, but Joe would eventually be the one to vote Vince out. So again, too lesser known bit off the radar. references here. But, Leanna, do you have a favorite right now of the two? This might be a memory loss issue, but I have very, very strong memories of Vince.

Like, that stuck with me. So, like, he was such, at least, what, two episodes? How long was he on? Yeah, two episodes. But like, oh, my God, like, emblazoned within my mind and how much he hated Joey Amazing. So for me, this is, this is my gut pick. I'm going with Vincent. I feel the same way. I don't know why I remember him so clearly, but I do. Oh, so clearly. Like that picture, I was like, oh, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, he pulled the ultimate coach. He wore feathers in his hair. Many, many feathers. It's like Pelican feet. Pete just flew through his head on the way to bothering Austin again. I love it. All right. So Vince and Joe move on.

One last matchup here in the Sweet 16. Of course, the reason for bracket season. here we have Charlie and Rizzo and boys I am so sorry because you're going up against again what I might argue

could be a number one seed here not to put the cart before the horse but it's Bruce and Kutura from Survivor 45 I feel like Bruce and Kutra definitely win yeah I think it's I think it like if Charlie and Rizzo's

rivalry had existed longer throughout the season, then I think it would have been a much, much more difficult conversation. I think just everything that Bruce and Coutura went through together, I think I agree with you. I think it's got to be the two of them. Yeah, it was iconic. Every episode, it was like a running joke.

Yeah. Cotura hated Bruce's running jokes and his walking jokes and his sitting jokes. All of the dead jokes. All of the jokes. All right. So I did do the first matchups out of order. So the brackets a little jumbled. up right now, but I've got everything set up for the elite eight here.

Wait, was Sandra and Russell in Heroes versus Villains not considered one-sided, even though Russell thought that they were cool? Didn't he think they were cool as Sandra every second was like, I hate him. I hate him so much. I don't know what Russell thought Sanct was cool. I thought Russell thought that he could use Sandra, you know? Like he's basically, I don't care how she feels about me. She's a vote and she's a good.

It felt so one-sided and hysterical. I also, there were a couple that I had to leave off here. you know, like, some people mention like Brandon Hanson and Michaela. That felt like a little too okay for me. I wouldn't necessarily, ironically enough what Brandon should have done with

Michaela's eye. I want to keep that away with like a 10 foot pole. You know, I don't want to touch that whatsoever. Yeah, yeah. Let's move into our elite here. So our first matchup is going to be

Nianca and Kelly Bruno and her leg versus Tini and Sam. A woman who wanted to throw someone's leg in the fire versus a pair that faced off in fire. That's interesting. I was building my bracket. And so now I'm like I was thinking about who I was going to now the matchups are, they're messing with me.

I'm kidding. So I. Everybody drop your numbers. I feel like for me it's teeny and Sam. I feel like it was longer lasting. I feel again, the statement of teeny to basically just be like, yeah,

I'm in a one-sided rival. It's so obvious. That's where my gut is telling me to go. So that's my vote. I will go with Kelly and Nayanka because, yes, this flame burned faster, but it was a bright blue flame in terms of the heat. It's just the ridiculousness of this woman being incredibly over the fact that Kelly had one leg and that she was using it as a mark against her and basically every point was like absolutely

ridiculous and to me like yes the teeny Sam stuff is moving and obviously had a lot of acrimony baked in but it kind of is more special when a rivalry happens at the beginning of the game rather than the end because at the end you're so depleted

right you're so exhausted you're so frustrated here it's like Neyanka met her said hi my name is Kelly Brunno and she's like I don't like you in your leg so I'm going to vote for Neyanka here yeah I think Kelly and Neyanka's rivalry

stands the test of time really well. It's been so many years and I still remember that. Whereas, yeah, Athenian Sams was more intense and long term, but it wasn't as weird. So it's the thing. For the absurdity, it gets about.

That's exactly like if we're talking about iconic, again, that word is an iceberg in and of itself, but I feel like that's the more iconic unique one-sided rivalry. Then Tini and Sam, which again, I think was very important for, you know, Tini's journey with gender and identity, but also had some fun moments as well of just pure frustration. But, I mean, again, nothing necessarily compares in terms of once in a lifetime survivor experiences

and watching her get into a shoving match with Kelly Bruno, with whom she has impugned the leg for quite some time. All right. Next up, Sage and Shannon. versus Abby and R.C. I thought both of these were going to make the final four. I know. What do you think, Christine?

I'm going to go stage and Shannon. I was very entertained by this rivalry. And I just remember it. So I know it was more recent. But I just feel like it's so memorable in the season. whereas Abby has so many memorable moments that it doesn't stand out as much. Yeah, I'm going to go with Sage and Shannon as well

for basically the exact same logic. And I think because it dictated so much about the gameplay as well, that it's got to be that. And they went through like arcs where they were together and then they were apart and then they had to pretend like they were together. And so I think that that's just more compelling to me.

Yeah, I mean, I probably would put it in the vote for Abby and RC just because I'm now sort of beating the drum of like, no, it was more one-sided than you think. But I definitely understand the points because that also, like, again, Shannon was taken out, blindsided by Sage, having no idea what Sage truly thought about her. It's safe to say that R.C. knew what Abby Maria thought of her by the time she was voted out. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next up, Coach and Brendan versus Leanna and Zander.

Oh, man. This is a tough one. I have to go coach and Brandon Oh no But your enemies to lovers I know But like it was just It really solidified coach's personality

And he's such a big Survivor character I feel like that That really Let us to know who we are I think also it's a lot It's like it's also the first Not the first necessarily

But like a really good example of the coach hypocrisy, right? Of like, I beat the best. But I want to be a bit. I want to see a get sit against the best. But also I had to best the best, right? I don't know. I'm going to go with Leon and Zander here.

Because I feel like we get so many little moments where like Zander's doing a challenge. And Leanna says to know what in particular, I hate his face. Look at his stupid face. I could die. And then we do get a moment where it's not exactly a dragon slayer thing. But we do have the iconic knowledge is power moment.

where Leanna asked Zander for an idol and Zander says, no, you could have this fake, which just continues to dig things further and further. And I also just remember the discourse at the time about how they're around the same age, they probably are crushing on one another. And then we actually saw the seed. And it proves to your point, Christine,

that like this feels like a bit of a different one-sided rivalry. Now, maybe the downside is that Xander was a little more cognizant of the way Liana felt about him than Brendan did of coach but also like I don't think he knew that she was saying how much she hated his face

so I'm gonna go with Leona and Xander well he's just not used to people hating his face he's got a beautiful face exactly that pout was like I just remember trying to do his pout all the time I was like you know like it was so intense all right well Leanna did you vote for coach

and Brendan? Yeah yeah Oh, dang it. All right. I will once again be in the minority here, and I'm not going to complain about it like Ozzy. So Coach and Brendan will move on to the final four, but they will be going up against our last matchup here in the Elite 8, the winner of that,

which is Vince and Joe versus Bruce and Katura. Hmm. I mean, it's Bruce and Katura. Yeah. Me too. It's pretty open shut here. So the discussion is going to be now. on our final four.

Now we're really going to have to, much like the season at large here that we're discussing, start killing our darlings here, start doing away with our favorites. Okay, let's start with the top here with Nianca and Kelly Bruno versus Sage and Shannon. Oh, boy.

Hmm. We started so strong with Sage and Shannon being the first rivalry that we talked about. and like I was like, okay, well, the, you know, recency bias, blah, blah, blah. But like, I'm looking, I was looking at the ones in that we had left. Now I'm looking at the final four. And I'm like, is this my winner?

Like, not to spoil it, but like, I really feel strongly about the Sage and Shannon one-sided rivalry. Like, I just think that that was so iconic. It was such, like, so, I don't know. I just remember it being such the dominant storyline. Yeah, it was. And like building, building, building of like, when are they going to find?

Like, when is Sage find? going to get to take her shot. So I, that's, that's my pick here. I'm going to go with that too. I feel like it was so strong in that season and so entertaining because it again, it was the start of that turn for Sage where she was like the goofy character and then all of a sudden she was a shark. Yes. You think Sage was editing this season considering how much like poop and fart stuff we've done? she had a hand consultant yeah she's a consultant yeah yeah I mean I definitely agree

I think unfortunately this will be the final leg for lack of a better term for Naomi and Kelly and Bruno all right who will join them in the finals here coach and Brendan versus Bruce and Gintura Christine you have been stumping for coach versus Brendan

from the very beginning but you continue to back them here I'm standing coach Oh, interesting. This was really tough for me. I think I'm going to, Mike, you're going to have to be the tiebreaker because I'm going for Bruce and Katuri. Oh boy. This is a really hard one.

Because like you said, this is, listen, there are so many things that define coach. The man's an entire base dictionary of terms that could define him. And so this does feel very, as you mentioned, emblematic of who he is as a person. of this is a guy who I despise, who like, he's sort of, Brennan's sort of rankled by. But Bruce and Ketora, like, I rewatched an entire video of their moments, and there are so many of them. There are.

Yes, Ketora is fed up from the beginning here, but there's so many things like, remember the moment when Bruce goes up to Kutura and is like, I gave my idol to Kelly. She got voted out with it for knowledge as power. And Ketur's like, what? He says, just kidding. I was trying out lying for you.

Did it work? I forgot about that. What are you doing, man? Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I think also like the narrative of Bruce being the guy who like in the first episode he ever plays, smacks his head, gets a concussion, goes home. And then you think like, oh, here's kind of this like heroic guy. It's going to come back with his second time playing. And he ends up in this intense rivalry with Coutura.

like one side is just so funny to me that that's his story. Yeah. So I think even though, again, I went back to like the what burns faster, what burns brighter. Yes, coach and Brendan is a great dynamic. Something that also doesn't help here is that coach will have many rivalries. Yes, this is much more of a one-sided rivalry. I mean, it also has been suggested to me, though, a couple of times we're like, Stacey and Christine versus coach. Like, coach has certainly been in a bunch of these rivalries as well.

we saw one come up. Ozzy. Yeah, at the very beginning. Of this season. Listen, you never forget your first. And Brandon was certainly a good cherry popper here. But ultimately, the fruits of his labor will go unsung as I will pick Bruce Gatorre to go to the finals.

It's fair. That's fair. They had a great role of it really. I just feel like, I don't know, I've come all the way around on coach and I'm just back in him. I hate him in his first season so much. And now I'm just so entertained. Yeah, you can appreciate him as a character, I think. Yes, yes.

Like, it takes, you got to taste it the right way. That's exactly it. It's like this specific type of cuisine, right? That like, okay, you need to have your tongue kind of adjusted for that flavor profile. And then once you get it, you're like, aha, okay. It's like cilantro, right? It's like for some people, he tastes like soap. Soap.

And then for others, it's like, oh, no, actually this is a great garnish. It's always bad for me, cilantro. All right. Well, let cilantro go to our finals match. Now, this is interesting because for all of the understandable criticism of how the new era is so happy go lucky,

friend coded, Jeff Prope's summer camp, the matchup is between season 45 and season 49. Damn. Yeah, that is interesting. I was thinking about that, and I was like, is that a recency bias thing? Or is it like, I think they're leaning in maybe more to like the longer

arc rivalities, maybe? I don't know. So I'll put my chip down first here. I will go Bruce a Coutura because I also, and this is unfortunately an indictment of the editing, it actually speaks to a concept we were musing on earlier about season 50. The storyline of the rivalry with Bruce is Cotura's journey on Survivor 45. It sucks because there's so much obviously that she brings in from her background. There were moves that she was making.

But what do we remember about Cotora from Survivor 45? The fact that she is a rival with Bruce. You could say maybe that's the case with Shannon because Shannon only lasted a certain amount of time in the game. But Sage, obviously she has this thing with Shannon, but she goes on to be in the final three. She has an entire whole ass other rival race, allegedly, so as we maybe let's believe, with Savannah as well.

And so I do feel like you can, you can't really split hairs between these two. They're sure both tied in the definition aspect of, okay, this is a one-sided rivalry. Like, in both cases, one party is completely aloof to what the other person is feeling about them. So then for me, the tiebreaker comes down to the term iconic. And I feel like Bruce and Coutura was such a defining dynamic

for, I would argue, both of the parties involved. Yes, people were slowly, you know, incrementally getting a, annoyed with Bruce, but we always remember that Kutura was the original op. And so because of the fact that it is so essential to both of their narratives, Bruce and Kutura is going to be my pick for the most iconic one-sided rivalry. I'm going with Sage and Shannon. Christine, you're going to have to break the tie. All the aforementioned reasons that I gave for them in previous rounds,

I just in my heart, that's what my gut is telling me in my heart of hearts. It was just so memorable to me for so many reasons. Like I can picture, I can picture it so, so clearly. I am very torn. It was really tough. I feel like I feel like I'm leaning towards Bruce and Katara because it was like more, if you were going for iconic, it was more iconic. But I did love the Shannon and Sage rivalry too, but I was swayed by the argument that she

did have multiple rivalries. I think I'll go Bruce Katara. It was like just the joke of every episode forever. All right. So there we go. At the end of this all, Bruce and Katura reign as supreme. They are the number one, one-sided rivalry in Survivor history. So far, we don't know what Survivor 51 is going to bring.

It's true. It's true. I know Charlie actually suggested to be in his exit press that, that they should do a survivor rivals season. What do you think about that? Christine, should that be a theme that they take on? I would love that. I mean,

like, like Colby and Jerry and they'll bring back like Cass and Spencer and just like all these iconic rival. Are you talking about one-sided or like just rival? Any sort of rivals. I mean,

the tough thing is that the example we usually turn to is the challenge and they had very thin definitions as to what a rival ring is. So it could, could really be anything. Like Tiffany and Q is a great example of like, they were rivals on screen, but now they're totally fine.

Now, would you rather have the rivals on separate tribes? Would you rather have like five pairs of rivals on one tribe? I feel like separate at first and then merge it. Yeah, do like two episodes and then merge them up, I think. Yeah, definitely do it. I mean, we're at Survivor 50.

Who cares? Like, try it. Why not? Yeah. Why not? I've been waiting for it for a long time, I feel. like I really, when we bring themes back, rivals is one that we need to do. All right. 100%. Before we conclude things here,

as we bid a due to bad blood, I'd be remiss to not talk about, as Leona mentioned, the blood moon. I want to hear rampant speculation here on all of your parts. What do you think? 17 people are merging. Just for context's sake,

that's one less person that a new era season starts the game. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. It was like, wild. Everyone but Jolensky made the merge.

Yeah. I, yeah. Go ahead. Do you think that they'll, they'll do like, they'll have a tribal council and like vote someone out and then be like, now vote another person out.

Now vote another person out. Go and maybe. Oh. I don't know. But it feels very teen wolf to me having the word blood bone. Blood moon. I mean, survivor.

We're just sticking with the theme from bad blood to blood moon. This is like one of it's like that. What's that chain game? Oh. Oh, yeah. Like the end-laws game. I think it's like word ladder or something like that.

Yeah, word ladder or whatever. Getting for Angelina. So it's bad blood, blood, moon. Moon pie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What do you guys think is going to happen with that?

I have, would you rather have the fun fake theory or like the not so fun, realistic theory. I love fun, fake theories. Did you just hear my theory? What about this? We do like an immunity challenge, a basic endurance challenge with 17 people somehow.

I don't know where they're going to find the room. Last person left standing wins immunity. And they kick off a safety chain where you pick the next person that's up. And maybe you don't have to do like the last X people left out, R. LeMay, maybe you could do like, okay, the four who are not picked are the only ones who are vulnerable at tribal council. And so everybody votes.

like feeling the traitors. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is that like, we have certainly seen, look, if Ranger Games and the white locust has taught us anything on Big Brother, it's that you can create a lot of drama, be a good or bad about just the pure idea of a safety chain and trying to pick someone who's next, especially when it sprung upon you. I love a good safety chain. I would be so down. But what I think might actually happen is, uh, so from a brief glimpse we got, and by the way,

you know, this is going to refer to stuff that's on the next time. I don't know people are very touchy about that. So feel free to skip ahead a few minutes if you don't want to get into that information because it may reveal what actually is going to happen when the blood moon rises here. But you see actually they're doing an endurance challenge, but it is in three separate color-coded stations. So I think they're going to divide them up into, I guess, like three groups of five. And I don't know what hell that happens to the other two.

But then they could do like, Like, okay, one group wins immunity and the other two go to tribal council and vote one person each out. It's probably what I'm thinking. We saw that as recent as last season, right, with like, okay, the last person standing for their group wins immunity for their whole group and they've all made the jury, et cetera, et cetera. Because, yeah, I don't think we're starting the jury at 17. Like, I think they are more than happy to start the jury after whatever this might mean, however many people might go home. Does it make me a little nervous? because I think we've had a pretty good thing going so far,

relatively untouched in terms of the actual structure on the show. Maybe storytelling is another thing. It makes me a little nervous if we're going to come back here, Leon, in a week, talk about how X, maybe Y, and maybe Z were screwed over because of this last minute twist. Look, I'm no mathematician, but we have a certain number of episodes and we've got 17 people, and what are we going to have, a final tribal council with six people, all sitting there,

they're advocating for themselves. Like, we got a double boot this week. I feel the promos and the description of the episode, very foreboding. So I do feel like we're in for a bit of a blood moon. More like a blood bath. Am I right? Yeah, I mean, Christine, it is interesting because if we did not vote for final four

firemaking, is there a chance production like, okay, no final four firemaking? Then it's a final four at the end. Oh, boy. that would be weird that would feel like we're not done yet if they were a final four at the end

I don't know if I'd like it I want them to do something actually crazy like I really I have like I would love for them to have 17 people at tribal be like you're going to vote someone out and then be like okay now you do it again and everyone's confused because they only made plans for one

I love for them to be like or like you get to tribal council and you're voting for two people everyone gets two votes Yeah, I mean, that would be fun to do, not even for that time, because I think maybe people wouldn't anticipate it, and it's done before in Survivor history. But if they do it and they say, okay, now do it again.

And they're like, no, again, wait, we made all our triple, trouble, trouble, travel council plans. We didn't plan for a triple. Triple is best, but not in this case. Yeah, no, something like that. That's just like they're not prepared for at all would be so fun and weird and different. But if they do like you, this group goes to tribal and then this group goes to tribal. Like, I want them all to be in on it.

Like, 17 people voting is crazy. I don't think they have the set capacity to do that. Like, I was on that set. It cannot accommodate 17 individuals. Standing room only. Yeah. Oh, my God. They're going to have to trade off seats.

Like, they'll switch off every five minutes or something just to stretch everybody's legs out. Well, certainly something that we can plan for. not the players, is to hear from Christine about the charity or cause that she must listeners to know more about this week. So the spotlight is on you, my friend. What do you want to highlight? Yeah, I'm going to highlight the same as I highlighted last time. Partners in Health. I have been following the vlog brothers forever and they have the store called the Good Store and all the proceeds go to charity, specifically partners in health to help in Sierra. Leon. There's a maternal center of

excellence and they're helping care for mothers and children's there there and that's a place where they had the highest maternal mortality rate in the world. And then there's another one for tuberculosis that their proceeds go to and it's just

all really great and I highly recommend checking it out. Well, thank you so much for highlighting that as well as being a highlight of our day today, getting the chance to talk with you here, all of lovely thoughts about what has been such a fun season so far, taking a look through,

you know, unrequited relationships in a season past, for an expert on unrequited relationships to a certain aspect. It was totally in your real house, but thank you, as always. It was so much fun having you back here, Christine. No,

thank you so much for having me. It was great. I love coming on talking all nerdy survivor stuff. It's my favorite. Well, let's hear about what you've got going on, because I realize I maybe put a major cart before the horse here in that.

I didn't necessarily, intro. For people who do not know Christine, she was on last season here on the B&B, but she is an incredibly well-accomplished author. In fact, wrote a book inspired by the romance of Rob and Amber set on a reality show. Yes.

Yes. Oh, it's called Attach of the Hib. Yes, you got it. It's attached to your side. I've always got it right next to me over here at my desk. But, you know, it's called Attach at the HIP. It's a Survivor Romcom. And, yeah, during 2020, I was like, why haven't we had a Survivor showmance in forever?

and I decided I'd just write my own Survivor Showmance. And yeah, it's like Survivor, except you're attached at the hip to like a missed connection. And then every three days, like, you are voted out and you switch up and everybody is compatible. So there's like a romance aspect happening. It's very fun. But yeah, and then I have a new book that came out this year. And it's called 30 Flirty and Forever Alone. And it is a rom-com that's giving like how to lose a guy.

10 days, meets like crazy ex-girlfriend in 27 dresses. It's super fun. And if you want to escape the reality TV world, it's a different vibe. But yeah, and I also, I host a podcast called Those Working Fan Girls where I talk about like girly, bookish, nerdy movie TV pop culture news, which is a fun time. Amazing. Well, thank you for making this such a fun time. Of course, you're going to check out all the stuff that Leon and I are doing as per usual,

the pal Australian Survivor, Jerry Duty, my interviews with Angelina and Charlie. So check all that out. Fill your time before we come back on Wednesday. And the blood moon shows what it's capable of. Make sure to not look directly at it. Make a little pins box out of a cardboard box to make sure you don't look directly to the kid because what you might see might damage your eyes and it might damage a few people's games along the way.

Let us know your thoughts and any games that you want us to play here on the B&B. You know how to reach out. Twist RHAPBNB at gmail.com or hashtag RHAP B&B on social media. Special thanks to the entire team behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and ears and Wolfram America for his fan-tastic theme song,

which I will not be doing an impression of anytime soon. It is that good. Leon and I will be back next week covering the merge. they're getting new question mark the buff change the buff upgrade yellow buffs

yes oh that's we didn't talk about the pink buffs that are called purple but like I have one here and it looks pretty darn purple okay I know I'm very colorblind purple

that's pink this one's purple from 40 yeah the one on TV is magenta pink I would say as well I yeah I've done so in my head because I keep calling callow green

and people are apoplectic about it, the fact that it's to you. Turquoise. Oh, okay. Yeah, but blue is the root. Blue. No, it's green. Okay, Mike is colorblind. Do you think Jeff is also colorblind?

I think so. Are I like 60% of men, some sort of colorblind? It's all that time in the sun. That's why I got to use that cardboard box to look at the blood move. All right. Well, listen.

Well, I might not have a good sense as to what color these bobs are wearing. Regardless, I do know it's yellow coming next week. But we'll certainly see a lot of red as we'll see what blood will be spilled in whatever is coming our way. But no matter what, we'll be back here with the B&B next week. Until next time, everybody, we'll check you out at your next day. This time of year, the school calendar really starts to fill up. Spring activities, testing season, and that final push toward the end of the year. It's a great moment for kids to stay focused and build confidence in what they're learning.

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