RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Blood Moon Exit Interviews

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

Survivor 50 Blood Moon Exit Interviews Survivor 50 Exit Interviews are back as Rob Cesternino takes listeners behind the scenes with ousted contestants Colby Donaldson, Kamilla, and Genevieve following a game-changing Blood Moon. Rob explores how injuries, alliances, and the unpredictable twist tore apart a tight group, bringing Survivor heartbreak and drama to Atlanta’s Ron Clark Academy. Rob’s interviews dig deep into Colby’s painful exit, Kamilla’s strategic swings, and Genevieve’s unlucky streak with the infamous Billie Eilish Boomerang idol. Survivor 50’s merge brings wild tribe swaps, fractured alliances, and bitter rivalries—highlighting how even old-school legends and new-era stars aren’t safe at Tribal. The episode covers Colby’s struggle with a staph infection, Kamilla’s candid reflection on never committing to a single group, and Genevieve’s attempt at lowering her threat level as she faces off with Aubrey and the “rats.” Rob asks pointed questions about social dynamics, voting blocs, and surprise idol hand-offs, painting a vivid picture of how game outcomes hinge on luck and relationships. – Colby’s “find the joy” lesson amid injury and triple-threat exits – Kamilla reveals how pregame alliances and swaps shaped her fate – Genevieve faces her Billie Eilish rivalry and an unlucky string of idol twists – Cirie’s calculated move to remove Colby as the “head of the snake” – Funny moments and honesty as Kamilla admits her “molecule” game and Genevieve jokes about Survivor heartbreak As Survivor 50 enters the era of reflection, this episode leaves listeners wondering: Can anyone outmaneuver production twists and emotional rivalries? How do players navigate new- versus old-era divides with the game in chaos? Catch the full breakdown as Rob dissects idol reads, swap strategies, and how vote splits and blood moon blindsides reshape Survivor 50! Chapters: 0:00 Intro 6:00 Colby Discusses Injury and MedEvac 8:05 Cirie’s “Head of the Snake” Move 11:21 Colby Attempts Alliance With Cirie 16:26 Kamilla’s Tribal Council Suspicion 18:46 Charlie Vote: Trust and Fallout 22:10 Kamilla Reflects on Merge Connections 24:29 Kamilla Pushes Jonathan Vote Plan 28:02 Genevieve’s Billie Eilish Rivalry 31:17 Genevieve Loses Aubrey Alliance 34:03 Christian, Devins Called Early Targets 39:50 Genevieve Teams Up With Old School To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

Hey, everybody, what's going on? Rob Sestradino, and I am here on the road in Atlanta, the site of the Ron Clark Academy big event on Thursday night that I was so fortunate to get to attend. Ron Clark had an amazing event. And hopefully we will bring you some of the video we shot here, some really great interviews that we did after the episode here at the Ron Clark Academy. Of course, I had a No-It-All's with Stephen Fishback earlier in the day on. Wednesday, so check that out after the Blood Moon. And it's a triple exit interview here today. So we have three exit interviews coming your way. First, I'm going to talk to Colby, then Camilla, then Genevieve. That is the order that I recorded them, and that was the order that they were sent to me. So we will do it in that order for you here today. Know this week in Survivor History. I did see Jordan Kalish in person this week, and it was lovely. But we have three exit interviews to get to here today. So we'll be back with Twitch next week. So be sure to check out also my podcast coming up on Friday. I'm going to talk with Aris Bushkowskis. So be on the look up for that and the patron

Q&A for the patrons of Rob's the podcast. But first, let's bring in my conversation with Colby. All right. We are here with the Survivor Legend who we lost last night. Colby Donaldson. Colby, how are you? There he is. Morning, Rob. Good morning, brother. Great to see you. Excited to see you go out full tilt here in Survivor 50. And I really got the sense you came back with a purpose. You gave it everything you got. You got a unfortunate draw with the way that the blood moon shook out because I don't think

you were going home if there was a normal merge. But you told us to all find the joy. And I think it's a great lesson for Survivor and life. Yeah. I mean, you know how. it is over there and it's easy to forget or not take the time to intentionally find the joy in it because it's chaotic and it's messy and there's a lot of there's a lot of negative especially when you're going out uh so i don't know i thought it was important i was able to find the joy uh

and i you know just wanted to encourage those others uh to do the same thing but rob i can't i can't come on your show yeah and not ask a guy who plays better than i do what What did I miss? What could I have done? How would you have played it? Who, you know, there was no, I didn't feel like there was any enroad with, with Emily at all. Yeah. We knew, we knew she was already locked in.

Sure. Seri's so good. And I knew, I knew Seri's best play was to get rid of me. Everything she said on the episode, I didn't know she said that, but I knew that's what she was thinking. Yeah. And if I were her, I would have made the same move. Coach is my only ally, but what's he going to do?

I've got, I've got no vote. I've got no value. So I didn't see a pivot or a chess move, but I'm curious if you did. What did I miss? Not off the top of my head. I don't know if there's anything that you could have done differently. And I think it's similar with your ally Genevieve in this spot. No question.

This was really the luck of the draw on this one. And I don't know if there was too much for you that you could have done different. Well, and talk about Genevieve. And again, we didn't see this on camera. But have you talked to her yet? Not yet. You're number one for me. Okay. Okay. So we were locked in from night one. Remember, we started the game together and then we

tribe swap together. So Genevieve and I have been playing this game together the whole time. And we bonded literally after everyone went to bed. We were the only two still up. We went down on the beach and had a great night talking to one another, getting to know each other. She was much more guarded at first than I was, but I won her over over time. But I bring her up, one, because I had a great fun time with her. And we had a great dynamic and I miss that that they didn't show any of that. However, she's the one that got the short straw. We'll talk to her on her time. But really, I mean, you put together this group that was really like one of the all-time snake bit groups of like in another world. You play this season out a hundred times. Kyle, Genevieve, Colby, Stephanie, Q with Rizzo. I like, that's probably like, you know,

maybe the final five or six of a lot of times when you're you. you play this out. But I want to know about your injury that we didn't really get to see on the show until after it happened. How bad was it? There was some talk that you could maybe get removed from the game. Was it something that that was a concern for you in terms of going leaving the game as a medical evacuation? Metabact? Yeah, you bet. It was twofold, Rob. One was it, and it happened in the exact, the first part of the injury, I damaged my ligament. It ended up tearing a ligament that connects my toe to my heel. and the bottom of my foot on the Zach Brown challenge when we were pushing the boat up the beach.

That I probably could have made it through the game with. And the doctor said, look, Cole, he's going to hurt like hell. There's not anything we can do for it here in the game. It's not something we're going to take you out for. Here's the weird thing, Rob. And this is a cautionary tale to those players going either returning players or new players. After the Zach Brown reward, I chose to go barefoot from the reward along the production trails. that lead us back to our holding area.

Everybody else put their shoes on. And I was going barefoot everywhere, not just on the beach, but everywhere we went. And I stepped on something that must have punctured the bottom of my floor. I remember stepping on some. No, it wasn't coral. It was something that had been dropped by production

or something along the trail. It wasn't in the game. But it didn't seem like that big of a deal at the time. It hurt a little bit, but I didn't think much of it. And then the swelling and inflammation started. And by the time I checked, in with the doctors the next day, they believed it was an infection. And he said, Colby, this can't be related. Dr. Joe said, this can't be related to your ligament damage because you got to introduce the

bacteria from outside the foot. So there had to be a puncture. They couldn't find a puncture anywhere in my foot. So he said, let's just let it ride and see what happens. It got worse and worse and last night was day 12. And I met with him before the game or before tribal council. I knew I was going home and he said, look, we can't tend to this in terms of antibiotics until we get you out of the game. And he said, this is not going to get better. This is way worse than the ligament. So to answer your question, I'm not sure, Rob, I'm not sure I make it through the game with an infection that Dr. Joe later says it was a staff infection. It's the worst infection he's seen in the game. And you just can't treat those unless you start throwing antibiotics at them. And they can't

give me the antibiotics in the game. They gave me, gave them, gave them to. me at Ponderosa and then the foot got better. But I don't know, man. So, yeah, I was damned if I do, damned if I don't. And then if I'm maneuver in a way that gets coach out and then I get Medevac the next day, then you got people like Steph and Genevieve. I didn't know Genevieve, I didn't know Genevue was going home, but that don't have me and coach in.

So it actually hurts their game, which was kind of going through my head at the same time as well. Yeah. It reminded me of when they voted out. Tom Westman to keep James in the game. And, you know, that didn't end up working out great from the last time you were out there. So I want to ask you about something Surrey said. She talked about you as the head of the snake.

We voted out, coach, that's the tail of the snake. And I feel like that certainly in your original tribe, we got that you were really at the helm of everything going on at Batu. But Surrey looked at you as the head of the snake going into the merge. Was that an accurate statement from Surrey? I don't know, Rob. I know she was aware, hyper aware that I had a lot of friends in a lot of areas. And I don't know that I was the head of the snake, but I was playing a good game and had a lot.

There were a lot of players I was aligned with or close enough with that I wasn't going to be targeted. And they weren't all old school. That was the mistake a lot of people thought is I was just going to go old school or honor and integrity as coach throws me in all the time with him and Joe. But I was playing a lot of different field. Look, you brought it up. Kyle, Q, Genevieve. Those are all new era, Rizzo, new era players, right? That I connected with immediately.

And I'm still locked in with Rizzo at this point. We're in a good place. And so it was the right move for Sari. I don't know that I would call myself the head of the snake. But Sari also, Rob, you know this. It's not just about getting me out of the game. She specifically, I think, said in the show, but I know she was thinking this,

we got to get Colby out before the jury because I do believe I could have more influence on a jury than coach does and because of the comment I think that the deal He'll start a band on the jury. He's not even right.

That's exactly right. So again, tactically superior was Surrey in knowing that we need to get Colby out before the jury. It's not just about him continuing in the game. It's about his access to the people that are still in the game. I want to ask you more about Coach, because you mentioned about getting

lumped in with honor and integrity. I listened to Tyson's podcast, and I had heard Tyson tell that you and he had spoke, and you weren't necessarily as lumped in as it looked like on the show about being part of that three with Joe and Coach. So can you talk a little bit about your relationship there with Coach? Well, the relationship is phenomenal. In fact, Rob, yesterday was my birthday and I got a call from coach. Happy birthday. Thank you, brother. First time in 52 years, someone has trumpeted happy birthday to me on the phone. And coach, leave it to coach to play happy birthday on the trumpet.

In the game, I was playing with coach and Joe because I liked those guys and I like the direction we were going and they were certainly two more great players to play with. But it's not because I signed a blood oath of honor and integrity. Make no mistake. And I just thought it gave me a great opportunity to blindside down the road because everyone was going to assume that I was playing this game of honor and integrity. You know, that also brings in Jonathan. And I knew he was a guy we would play with and want to play with. So I didn't mind being in the honor integrity.

I wanted to play with Jonathan. I didn't get a chance to, but I really wanted to. And so if I'm in the honor integrity, that's great. There's worse places to be with those guys. You know, and Rob, I get shielded a little bit because, you know, if we, what if this out, Joe and Jonathan and coach are going to do better in most of the challenges than me. So I get to hide a little bit in there amongst those guys. I felt like. But no, I didn't, I didn't swear to a blood oath with the Tide Walker. Yeah, with the Tide Walker.

So you had a really great interview with Mike Bloom before. this season. So it's so many great nuggets there. But if I recall correctly, I feel like that you would say that you really wanted to work with Surrey in this season and you really wanted to, you know, get things back together with her. It seemed like that you had a very amicable relationship from how things went in a tribal council, even, you know, I love you. But as allies, it seemed like that you weren't on the same page with her. Was there a attempt from you to get Surrey in the fold? Oh, no question. I talked to, I pre-gamed with her. I talked. I talked.

her before the game. So yeah, no, no question at all. Here's how that got derailed. One, Jenna targeted her right out of the game. And I've talked about Surrey, talked with Surrey about this since. So I know this. Yeah. This is why things went down. Rob, I'm giving you an exclusive right here on this thing for sure. So it did not help that Jenna went after Surrey so quickly on that first speech. So Surrey thought in one of our conversations that before the game, that I said, I talked to Jenna, Jenna's good to go. I did not talk to Jenna before the game. I assume because she was old school and she's season one and I'm season two and I knew

Jenna back in the day. I hadn't seen her in 20 years, but Jenna and I were friends early on. So my assumption was Jenna's good to go. That's what I told Surrey. But Sarie thought I had already talked to her. So wait. So listen to me. Hear this out. This is going to bring it all together for you, brother. So then Jenna targets her. And she's like, wait a minute. I thought Colby said Jenna was good to go. Right. So then day two, or maybe day one, day two, Savannah comes back from our journey. And remember, Savannah asked me on the beach about all the players. And I said, this, this, this. And I said, but watch out for Ceree. Because once you let her make a move, she is hard to get, you know, whatever I said. Yeah.

The point was that was a red herring. I knew I knew Savannah would go back to Sheree and tell her that. That was the design of it because I wanted to take all attention off me and so. I didn't want anybody know when I preview angler, Surrey. The problem was she had heard that from Jenna. Then she gets this from Savannah and she's like, that effing Colby. What? You can hear Sarie saying that, right?

She's like, what? And she thought, am I on the outs with the old school? So then she thought, Stephanie's Targeter, me. all, you know, so she was on her heels. Make no mistake. Surrey was on her heels. And then she was figuring out who she could play with, which is why she, you know, connected with Rizzo and all of that. So my game was damaged. My game with Surrey was damaged early on. We merge, real quick, Rob. We merge on the beach. I go straight to Surrey. Straight to Surrey, the moment we merge. And I said, did Savannah come to you and tell you what I said at the journey? She said, uh, uh, she, she, sure did. And I knew then, Rob, when Serri, when Sarri gives you that, you're in trouble. I mean, I knew she, and I'm

like, Sarie, I gave her it as a, I told her it was a red herring. And I tried to do damage control. You had your own curb your enthusiasm episode with all of that misunderstanding. Last thing for you, Colby, you said that your 50s it is an era

of reflection. And I thought that that was such a poignant statement. And I'd love to know from you, as Survivor is about to enter its 50s, do you think that the 50s for Survivor should also be an era of reflection for the show? Because it's been so wonderful to have people like you come back to the program after all this time

and it has really just struck a chord with the fans in such a great way. I think that your idea of the era of reflection should be where Survivor goes in its 50s. I love that. Great bring up. Great point, Rob. Hadn't thought about it in that framework, but I like it. I mean, absolutely. And at this point, Rob, you've got so many players to choose from, 750 or something like, you know, whatever it is. You've got the talent pool to draw from that. People are already invested in these players. I love that idea. And there's no question it can reflect.

But in that reflection, let's also pull some of those challenges back, from the early seasons. Really? Fans would love to see that. Let's pull some of those same rewards and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, I think let's reflect in total on the 50 seasons in the 25 years. Colby, I wish I had 50 hours for you today, but I know you got to run. But listen, anytime you want to come back, talk about the past present or the future of Survivor,

I would thoroughly love it. All the best to you. Hope it was a great birthday, even though it was not a great night. Yeah. It was good. Thank you, Rob. Thank you always for your time and your courtesy. Thank you, brother. Thank you. All the best, Colby. Bye. Bye, bye. This time of year, the weather is crazy. It makes figuring out what you're going to wear almost impossible, but the trick is to simplify fewer things, but better ones. Pieces that are well made and easy to wear all the time.

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We are here with the Robb goddess Camilla. Camilla. And please don't just be like, oh, I didn't do anything. and just like being setting up for third times the charm. I'm not going to be on 51 or 52. I'm not going to be on Survivor ever probably after this. So I will not be downplaying what I did. Okay, good.

All right. Let's have a real talk today for once and get into it. I'm sorry for lying to you. That's okay. Listen, I understand. I understand. I like when you lie to other people. I just don't like it when you lie to me.

Nobody likes it when I lie to them. I don't get it. Yeah. Okay. So let's start off with this vote. How are you feeling going? into tribal council. Did you think that there was a decent chance

it was going to be you? There was a little, you know, thing in the back of my, back of my stomach, I don't know, back of my head, whereas like, yeah, did mention a pregame alliance. And I sort of got,

if Jonathan sticks with his pregame alliance, to, I'm going to be pissed. And I really thought, because, like, I thought, Mike White mentioned a pregame alliance. Yeah,

because Mike went on a journey with Colby and Savannah and asked Colby about it, and Colby apparently still. everything, which was very hard for me to believe because I'm like, why would someone say all of that? And then, yeah, I thought, I was like, maybe it could be me, but also, like, Jonathan did a good job of, like, distancing himself from Chrissy, except for, like, one moment during the challenge where he said, hang in, Steph, hang in Chrissy, and he never said hang in for Melissa.

Yeah. Okay. Other than that, he did a good job at, like, dissoning himself from Chrissy, from Chrissy. He was always like, oh, you know, I just really wanted to get rid of her since, like, day one on call us. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, good job. So yeah, he had me fooled. Yeah. I really thought that you and Jonathan, I was kind of rooting for a Camilla and Jonathan Alliance because I just thought it was just such a interesting clash of like completely different play styles, but also just the visual is amazing. And there was a point like, you're shaking hands. It's like, this is great.

This should work. And ultimately, it doesn't. But how much of this comes back to the Charlie vote? Because I think that that really did. You were really set up in the. episode is the swing there. And we saw Jonathan try to patch things up with D and it seemed like that maybe it could have been water under the bridge. Do you think that the Charlie vote was a big factor here? I think it could have. Maybe that was the difference maker between me going home and Tiff going home.

Obviously talking to people after the season, that wasn't the case. But let's just say that could have been the reason they picked me and not TIF. So, yeah. I mean, we did. They didn't show how we tried to patch it back with Jonathan. soon as Charlie's torch got... Soon as that man's torch got snuff, I turned to Jonathan, I said,

we saved you. And he's like, we need to talk when we get back. And I go and I tell Jonathan all the things Charlie told me about Jonathan. And these were real things. Like how Jonathan wanted to throw the challenge and like other stuff. And Jonathan was like, you could see it in his eyes.

He's like, fuck. But then he's like yelling. He's like, I didn't say that. Charlie's lying. I'm like, sometimes people like to yell through their life. I think that's what this is. And obviously I talked to Charlie afterwards, and he was like, all of that was real.

Jonathan did say this thing. So I thought, I thought maybe we'd actually patched it up because maybe he genuinely believed that we actually saved him from Charlie. I know hindsight is 2020, but have you looked back at the Charlie vote and thought that, you know, maybe we should have taken out Rizzo instead of Charlie? I mean, really, I wish things went my way.

I was trying to get Jonathan out. So, yeah. But between Charlie and Rizzo, I think, okay, had I been swapped with another, group even. I think it was better for me to go with Rizzo because Rizzo brought more connections at the merge. Charlie didn't bring any new connections for me because you were playing together the entire time. And so I actually, Rizzo told me that he was close with Genevieve. I'm like, I want to play with Genevieve. Even though in pregame press, I did not want to play with her. I just wanted

to, yeah. So were you lying in the pregame press or you came around on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I came around to Genevieve. Yeah. Like, I was like, let me go talk to her. And I had like initial conversations with her in the merge and I'm like, oh, I love her. Yeah. Okay. So I want to get the story straight from you because I've been following what you said on social media where in the episode, it's presented as that Rizzo tells you about the Billy Elish boomerang idol. And then Charlie comes to you. And you say, Charlie's too slow. And it seems like, okay, Charlie was too late and you're lying to Charlie. But you had said that it's actually the opposite way around that Charlie told you about the idol first, right? No, no, no, no, no. I have it wrong. What I was.

saying was that Rizzo wasn't the first person to tell me, as in there was a third person to me. You lied to both of them? Yes. He told me about the idol first. And so I had to act both times that I gave different reactions both times. Yeah, very good. Yeah. Look at you. I had said after last week's episode, I was really, as a Camilla fan, because I really do enjoy your play style. And it reminds me of the type of game that I would have liked to, to have played once upon a time that I really thought that you were starting to heat up after that vote. I thought you made the right decision.

I totally understood why you voted for Charlie instead of Rizzo because I felt like, hey, you just came out of the season where you were not necessarily driving the alliance. You had more agency, I thought, to go with the vote. And listen, you got unlucky in the swap. But I felt like that things were starting to come into focus for you where you could have been that swing vote that I think. think that you like being in the game. Did you feel that way too after the Charlie vote?

Yeah, because especially with the people that that vote has brought me with. So like, siding with Surrey brought me some new friends. Citing with Rizzo brought me some new friends. I was like, oh, I'm not, you know, I could be in this big group of votes. I don't have to direct anything. But, you know, with a large group of people, people are going to want to have to do different things. I can just find myself at this position the entire game.

And so I was excited for what was to come. Unfortunately, Blood Moon got me. Blood Moon got you. Now, we saw Chrissy talking about you in a way where she was talking about your game from Survivor 48 and really bringing up, like, what a big threat that you were. Did you know that that was the type of thing people were saying about you out there? Yeah, I heard from Mike. Mike said something that apparently Chrissy had said, how I was the mole and I was playing both sides on original calls. because I was talking to, you know,

Coach Jonathan and Chrissy, but I was also talking to Mike and Charlie and I was talking to D and Tiff and apparently she'd call me the mole, which is like, I never committed to one group. I committed to the other group. I wasn't. Coach had asked me, who's going to be your Kyle this season?

And I was like, maybe I won't have a Kyle this season as if he was trying to like be my Kyle or something. Everyone's bringing Kyle's name into this. Yeah. Did you know when in the episode you say, I don't know if I could trust him or not. I wasn't sure if you were talking about the story about Kyle that Rizzo told you or about the Billy Elish boomerang idol or both. I meant like in general moving forward, like he might lie to me again.

But about the story about Kyle, Kyle would never say a positive thing about me ever. Like not just in the game to like, you know, not throw me under the bus, but also in real life. Yeah. Kyle's not going to say that. Yeah. You know, so much has been made about people who. we didn't get to see enough of and I think that you were firmly

in that camp and I would have loved to have gotten the chance to see more of what you had going on can you tell us a little bit more of the things if you know if you don't mind blowing up your own spot a little bit yeah I'm not I'm probably never going to be asked

to play this game again so I don't mind that's what everybody says I mean it this time I really mean it you know, I had a good thing going with D and Tiff. Also with Mike and Charlie, we were pretty close. I was talking strategy with coach.

Chrissy was talking strategy with me, but I wasn't having it because she kept like saying like those two girls, those two girls are always together. I'm like, all the boys are always. Yeah. I'm like, oh, all the boys are always together too. All the boys. Like it's not just them two that are always off together.

The boys are always sitting by the beach together. Why aren't we going after? the boys. So I don't really like that. And then come to swap, that was just a very fun group to be around. Talking to Charlie about what to do, like one thing I think I mentioned was like trying to get Jonathan out. I was I was trying to drive a Jonathan vote, but people did not believe that we were swapping the next day. I was trying to tell them, been on one tribe for too long. Yeah. This isn't going to last. As somebody who, it seemed like that you had a working relationship with Jonathan. Why did you want Jonathan out?

before the merge because you felt like he had relationships? Yeah, it was basically like I felt like another swap or a merge was going to come, especially after Rizzo told us that they had two on 49. I was like, oh, maybe they're testing the waters for 50. There was that thing that Mike had said about like when he went on the journey and got all the info from Colby about the pregame alliance. And so I was like, there was also another thing that he said that Chrissy said that the new era people wanted to get the old era people because they were insecure about

their 26 day game. So it was like, okay, if they're seeing it, as new era versus, I know it's a funny thing to say. If they're seeing it as new era versus old era, I want to make a new era sacrifice, but I want that person to be someone who's actually in with the old era. So I want for show to be like, oh, no, we're not all together, but really have it be someone that was part of that supposed elizabeth. There was a bit in the preseason about how was Joe going to react to when he met up with

you and Kyle in this game? And we didn't really get to see that in the 17 person, What was your relationship like with Joe when you finally got back together with him? Yeah. So up until this point, Rizzo and Surrey were telling me, like, Camilla, we think like you actually cause like mental damage to this man. Like you need to have a talk once this is all over. I'm like, I didn't think it was that bad.

Yeah. And so we get to the Merge Beach. I saw him sitting down and talking to Aubrey. And so I go and I sit down, not immediately next to them, but I come down and sit down with like Tiff and someone else. And the entire time I'm leaning over trying to make. I have contact with Joe because I want to be like, we need to talk.

Yeah, and he's all about the eyes. Yeah. What did I make eye contact with me? And I'm like, what's going on? And there are multiple times. Like, I just couldn't get a chance to talk to Joe at all that day where we all merged. Couldn't get a single moment with him. Yeah.

Okay. Well, Camilla, I hope that we have an opportunity to have a longer catch up one of these days, okay? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you want to talk about. Did you know about the blood moon also? from Zelda?

Yeah, I don't play Zelda, but I know they have a blood moon. So it's like, when Tiff was going off, I'm like, oh, she's talking about Breath of the Wild. Yeah. Okay. Anything else you want to let people know? Um, not really. Okay. All right.

Well, good luck getting to your flight. Okay. Hope to see you again soon. You too. Take care, Camilla. Bye. Bye. Hi, Genevieve.

Good morning. Hi, Rob. April fools. I'm still in the game. April fools. No, but Genevieve, I'm sorry that, like, I'd love to. like have fun but we have to be serious and I'm sure you're tired of talking about at this point but we need to talk about the woman that is really most responsible for taking you out of

Survivor 50 when you were playing such a great game and I'd love to know if you've heard anything and how your relationship is with Billy Eilish um as you know Rob this is an incredible rivalry that had been going on between me and Billy, incredibly one-sided and deeply personal, very unfair. And yeah, Billy has broken my heart twice. How many people can say Billy Eilish broke their heart twice? Yeah. Okay. Genevieve, I talked about this on the podcast with Stephen yesterday.

I really mean it. I just think of your run here in Survivor 50. And maybe there's somebody who I'm not thinking of, but you just really had the toughest luck of anybody that I could ever, imagine where I'm sure you've reflected on this, but of course, we talked about finding not one but two idols in the premurge, but just the entire alliance that you were a part of was so snake bit where Colby, Q, Kyle, it really, like, you, oh, Genevieve has this on lock. And I don't know what happened. And then ultimately some not so great tribe draws culminating in what happened last night. I mean, and you came back and I thought he played such a great game. Have you reflected on

just that this was a unlucky outcome? You know, Mark tells me that, you know, to try and like, it's so kind of you to say that. But no, when I reflect, I think like, Genevieve, here's what you could have done better. Here's how you could have better prepared for this. So like, I don't, I know there's a huge luck element, but I don't, in all seriousness, I don't blame the Billy Eilish Pubering. I don't blame the rocks. I don't blame the lunar cycles. I blame myself. You know, I wish I could have done something better. But. Okay, try me. Try me. What could you have done better? I could have played Survivor 10 years earlier and been a open, good person and made lots of inroads and friendships and then been cast with some friends. And that would have actually

really beneficial. Yes. I guess that could that could have helped. But you know, you really did come back and you were somebody who, it seemed like that, you came back as a better version of the Survivor player that we saw in Survivor 47. And somehow we're able to really mitigate the threat level that I always thought you would encounter when you came back. It seemed like that more people were scared of you in your first season and they ended up being of you in their second season. I don't know if either you or I could have predicted that.

there was just that one thing that ended up going wrong. And that was that relationship with Aubrey. I'd love to get from your perspective of could you just from your vantage point, where do things sort of veer off the road with working with Aubrey? I think it got derailed, like honestly within the first couple days. Like before that conversation that everyone was shown, my alliance, which again, to your point, Rob, like, who would have thought? would ever get to use the word alliance and myself in the same sentence.

But they were like the guys in particular really had my back early on, especially Kyle and like was running back all of this information and things that Aubrey was saying really just to try and solidify like me at the bottom. And so by the time we have that conversation, I think I already know what's been said and she doesn't know that I know. And so it is a little bit cagey. And then we eventually reached the point where I'm like, you know, okay, let's just lay it out and can we do this. But the lay it out and can we do this really only works if both people are down to do that.

And it just never, we never got there, which is too bad. But I do think rivalries can still have utility within the game of Survivor, right? Because you can either use it as a smokescreen and be working with that person below the scenes or a smoke screen and use it so that everyone thinks that's where you're going. when you're not. And that's how I ended up, that became the only option way to use it. So it was a lot of, yes, you know, I'm going for Aubrey. I'm going for Aubrey. I'm going for Aubrey. And part of that really is just the strategy of lowering my threat level because it's like, I'm not going for. Yeah. That's not who I'm going for. And let me tell you. And let me be so transparent about information that like is plain to see. You don't need me to tell you. As soon as you see us interact,

you will tell that there is tension there. But let me give that free information to you and make you feel comfortable with me. So that's kind of the only way I could parlay it into anything of utility. So I'd love to hear a little bit more about something that you said in the episode that I think is fascinating. And going forward, I wonder how big of a deal is. But I don't know if you were lying or not, well, which is always the case when we talk to Genevue. But it's something you like, and you like that. You like to like, you don't like, you like to keep, leave us guessing. There are few people know exactly what I've been. Yeah. But you told Christian, hey, you know, want to know something about you that everybody looks at you and Devons and maybe Emily and Aubrey

as the rats that need to be dealt with before the war. And I thought that that was so, you know, poetic in how you put it. But was that real? Are people, is that how people are looking at the Christian Devons, Emily Aubrey? There were shades of truth, but it was a it was an over dramatization to try and like get something going. But really what. the concept was and it's like tail as old as time this is nothing new it is the idea that the big threats they don't always end up on one side more often than not they're on two and they will go after each other and you will be left with at the end of the game the hyenas if you will right that's what it was trying to say and so the pitch to christian the longer version of the pitch

is yes you have these relationships and i could have done a different pitch if i knew part of the pitch could have been and get your idol back. Like, I don't know why you wouldn't want that. But the, the real pitch was, you are the tallest blade of grass with this group. And you won't be with this group. So you'll, it like, how do I articulate this? I was basically trying to say, like, you're the one that they will chop off first if you go this way. And if you hide, like, this gives you room to hide behind me, hide behind other people. And then just kind of, like offer these people up, but obviously I did not understand how close they were particularly. So it makes sense that he wouldn't be like, no, no, no.

I'd rather have safety and reliability than sort of go with a like typical threat strategy. So returning player survivor, as you can appreciate, is so much different than a new season of Survivor. Did it come up at all the idea of, and of course Christian actually found the idol and sent it to Aubrey, but it was the infer was that. Rick sent it to Aubrey about potentially like, hey, you could blindside Aubrey and maybe, you know, as somebody who understands the Billy Elish boomerang Idol so well, that was there any thought of maybe pushing that, the greed of Rick or Christian?

Not like very gently tested with Devons, but he was, it was so like transparently not landing that it was like, this is a waste. This is a waste of time. Like, and you only have in those swaps, Like, have I had a couple days? Maybe. I think maybe. And because it takes a while for people to work up the courage and play through the different permutations to be moved off what they plan as their strategy. And like those quick like swap afternoons are not enough time for people to really move

if they are incentivized and feels sturdy in what they've got going into it already. Genevieve, I'm so curious to know about the jacket pass to Aubrey, treasure it. And I'm sure as anyone. a beautiful coat. But was the Angelina jacket pass from the last tribal account or something that was top of mind for people? Or was it a homage to the original Angelina jacket ask? No, it was the jacket toss because I thought that is so pragmatic. Like, it is cold. It's cold, cold at night. And you know where it's not cold? Pondrosa. It's like so comfortable, so morbidly comfortable. And so seeing Emily in Angelina's jacket, hearing Angelina had left it, I was like, oh, that makes so much sense. Yeah. Of course. So, yeah, it was just, they're going to need it more than me. I wish I still get it. How was your relationship with Joe? Because I've talked about this a bunch that when I interviewed Joe after Survivor 48, he talked about like, how could you be a player like Genevieve who doesn't let people in? Like, that's all you have. But then here you are on the beach with Joe as the only person that you're working with. It seemed like that you two didn't.

bonds. We really did. And I did not believe him at first because I don't believe anyone and I have like deep-seated trust issues. But he very quickly was like my wife, as soon as we were on the swap drive, my wife said that I should work with you. And I remember being asked in confessionals and I was like, well, this is something so easy to lie. Like I can't call Katie and verify this. So maybe he's just saying what I want to hear. But after a couple days of being together, it became apparent that he really did want to work with me. And that was shocking. Like I had written down in pre-press like Joe at first because he's honor and integrity and I'm like anti that or perceived as anti that. So yeah, but he, um, he really had my back until he was a

big part of helping me decide do I play my shot in the dark. He's a really good ally. So I know honor and integrity people are like, oh, it's so boring to watch. But like, have you had an honor and integrity alliance mate, Rob? They're amazing. They're so wonderful. I'd love that. I would love that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I think is so interesting about you in Survivor 50 where it seemed like that there was always going to be, oh, Genevieve, I don't know if we can trust her, but it seemed like that that was maybe the way that the people who were your fellow people from the new era might have been thinking. And it seemed like that you really found a home with the old school players in the game, like in potential any line in the sand that we heard so many times last night. Is it safe to say

that your line in the sand was going to be with the old school players? I was pretty open, but that, like when I saw the shakeout on VATU, we were the only starting tribe that was four and four, new and old. And I think that was probably the most open for business tribe starting the game. And so the only thing I had to play very mindful of was the Stephanie and Colby connection. And so that was either like a two for one with you or two for one against you as I saw it. And so that was where I focused my efforts first and foremost. And then it kind of just worked out that way because from a strategic perspective, I wanted it. And then Colby and I had a really wonderful conversation the first night.

And I was specifically making an effort going into this game of like, okay, you're going to be stressed. When you're stressed, you kind of shut down. Just try not to shut down. Even if you find just one person to like have some feeling of like I had when I played with Sam. So that was really important to me. And then when I found the first Billy Eilish boomerring, I don't. It's like such a mouthful. When I found the first,

say that five times fast. When I, the amount of times I had to say it in conventional, honestly. But when I found the first one, I was like, I'm never getting this idle back. As soon as I read that parchment, I was like,

I'm never getting this back. So what value can I extract out of this? And it's still early in the game. So the best thing I can do is try and parlay this into making people feel comfortable with me. And so I knew I was going to tell everybody I was working with.

about it. And then the part two was, and who do I give this to you? That doesn't suggest I'm closed off to working with anyone or is it going to ruffle feathers. So coach was someone I wanted to give it to, but Q would come back with that story. So it kind of made, so there was a lot going into like this idol that I'm giving away. What can it still do for me, if anything? And I think that also helped microwave a bit of trust. Okay. Don't you think Ozzy owed you one for sending him to Billy Elish Boomerang Idol that he should have taken you to Exile Island? kept you safe? Yeah, you know what?

Let's, they all, they all owe me. I've done so many favors, Rob. I'm such a generous girl. You know, the thing, and I'm sure Mark can tell you this, in sports, a lot of times, you know, luck evens out eventually. Does it? Yeah. Like turnovers and stuff like that.

So I don't know. I just, I wonder if maybe you're due for like another run where just like all the luck goes your way. No, I am definitely not. You know, you know, like, this is, this is plenty. I'm so ready to be a fan. I'm so ready to like come on Rob as a podcast and talk about other people's games. Okay, well, don't threaten me a good time. But Genevieve, anyway, it was really fun to watch you play. I really, I was duped. I really thought that you were going the distance in this one. I really, I really thought,

especially after the first episode, I was like, is this a winner at it? well this is actually the billy islish twist part too um yeah yeah yeah look a look out for me in final three yes all the best no all the best to you you had a tough loss here but you've handled it with a lot of grace and so i just uh you know think you're doing an incredible job and uh looking forward to chatting again soon oh thanks rob all right take care take care jennaby bye all right everybody there you habit. There's our triple exit interview. Thanks for bearing with me as I was traveling, but I think we got some really good stuff here on this trip. Looking forward to being back with you here in the studio when I get home. Take care, but a good one. Hi.