RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Ep 11 Exit Interviews

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Survivor 50 Ep 11 Exit Interviews Rob Cesternino is joined by Survivor 50’s Emily Flippen and Ozzy Lusth for a revealing exit interview episode, diving into the high-stakes twists and emotional moments that define Survivor 50. With two dramatic exits following back-to-back Tribal Councils and a controversial power broker twist, Emily and Ozzy reflect on their gameplay, hard choices, and the allies and moves that shaped their journeys. The conversation kicks off as Emily Flippen details her final days in the game, sharing what went into her last-ditch “Hail Mary” plan, why she chose not to play her Shot in the Dark, and the mindset required to fight from the bottom of the tribe. Emily breaks down her dynamic with Rick Devens, her regrets over information sharing, and her perspective on the impact of twists like the extra vote and the split Tribal Council. Later, Ozzy Lusth opens up about his heartbreaking idol blunder, the emotional weight of his exit, and his deep connection with Cirie—reflecting on twenty years of Survivor growth, vulnerability, and intuition. Both share candid thoughts about the veteran-heavy cast and how their relationships changed the course of the game. Key moments explored include: – Emily’s reasoning for skipping the Shot in the Dark in favor of an active plan, despite being at the bottom – The impact of Cirie’s extra vote and how it blindsided Emily and shifted her endgame calculations – Ozzy’s regret over ignoring his gut and not playing his idol, plus the insight that brought him – Reflections on loyalty versus big moves, especially as Cirie’s unwavering support contrasts with shifting allegiances – The emotional weight both players experienced during their exits, with Ozzy sharing how Survivor helped him process personal struggles Will players who put trust above strategy pay the price as the season moves toward its climax? Can Cirie find a new path without her closest allies, and will big moves or quiet relationships win out in Survivor 50’s endgame? Catch this week’s exit interviews for eye-opening strategy breakdowns, heartfelt Survivor lessons, and a closer look at how this season’s biggest twists are reshaping the game. Chapters: 0:00 Show Intro and Audience Updates 1:48 Emily Flippen Joins Exit Interview 2:22 Emily Reflects on Season 50 Exit 4:17 Emily Assesses Power Broker Twist 5:23 Would Emily Survive Regular Tribal? 6:14 Discussing Tiffany as Tribal Target 8:14 Emily’s Biggest Season 50 Regrets 10:14 Surviving Tribe Swaps as an Underdog 12:18 Was Cirie Loyal to Cila Four? 12:36 Emily Reacts to Ozzy’s Emotional Exit 14:20 Emily Breaks Down Mr. Beast Coin Vote 15:41 Would Emily Return for Another Season? 17:47 Ozzy Lusth’s Emotional Exit Reflections 24:05 Cirie Was Ozzy’s Ride or Die 28:42 Ozzy Describes His Survivor Dream 32:36 TWISH To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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She's sleeping. Are you asleep? I'm awake. All right. But I am doing exit interviews here. No matter what, we had such a great show. I can't wait for you to see it on the YouTube channel coming up. And, of course, as a podcast at Town Hall, 1,500 people for the big night where we saw, not one,

but two tribal councils and the power broker twist where today we're going to be talking with Emily Flippin and Ozzie is going to join us here for the exit interview on another just very busy Thursday here on Rob's a podcast last night. Stephen and Gabby got together for some survivor. No-it-alls and then I did the live show. That live show is probably going to go up sometime in the early evening coming up on Thursday. And then I have one more stop to make on my book tour on this trip. I'm going to be heading up to Boston on Friday. That show is sold out. But then on Tuesday, I will be back home in my stomping grounds in Raleigh for a bookstop with Jesse Lopez at Whale Ridge Books. And if you want to be there with us in Raleigh, Jesse and I

on Tuesday and I head on over to Rob has a website.com slash events. So great to see everybody who came out last night. Really had a very, very fun time. And I think you'll enjoy that, with Parvety and Danielle DiLorenzo and a great panel in New York City. But now let's bring in my exit interview with Emily. All right, we are here with the great Emily, flipping. Emily, how are you doing today? I'm doing really well. How are you doing?

Yeah, I'm doing pretty good. We had a big live show last night in New York, and everybody was very sad to see you go. But are you happy? Sure. Yeah. Listen, listen, the alternative, maybe might have been more sad, but I think in general, I think the audience would have been way

more. If it was you versus Jonathan, you know, it would have been, people would have been very devastated to see you go. But Emily, how are you doing? Because you talked about how you didn't love how you went out back on day 21, back in Survivor 45. How do you feel about this exit? Very good about it. I mean, I think I did everything I could have done on my power, went out swinging. And I even had a moment at tribal council where I thought it was actually going to work because I didn't know about the extra vote. So it even had a moment there where I was like, oh my gosh, did I actually manage to pull off this silly Hail Mary plan? Obviously, it didn't work. But the question in my mind was always, what are my options in that scenario? You're aware you're at the bottom of the totem pole.

I think I came up with the best plan that I could have in that situation. I mean, obviously, hindsight's 2020 and stuff. But the only alternative is I could have played my shot in the a one and six chance of saying you could make the strong argument much better than my Hail Mary plan. But I just thought that was so not fun. That's not a game winning thing playing your shot in the dark. And I just thought, I want to go out like not passively, not the same way it went out in 45. I want to go out with a plan. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And it didn't. Yeah. I think you need to give yourself some grace on Survivor 45. From what I remember, that was like a huge blindside. There was a lot of stuff going on that you didn't even know about.

I never split the vote. I mean, gosh, what an ignorant thing to do. I could have at least split the vote. Yeah. Okay. So back to this season, Ceres extra vote that I was wondering after I saw the episode of that, I guess did Tiffany and Jonathan end up knowing about the extra vote? Did you get that sense?

I did get that sense. I obviously had Devons and I had no idea about it. I think if I had known about the extra vote, the calculus on the plan would have dramatically changed. Yeah. That shot in the dark is looking a lot. better. Can you weigh in on this twist and if you think that it was a good twist to try not to be too results oriented? Did you like this twist for Survivor as a game player?

It's hard for me to judge. I will say we are getting late in the game. There's lots of people you need to do back-to-back eliminations. I think this is a very efficient way of doing that. To be frank with you, I don't know if the outcome really changes that much regardless of the twist. So the twist doesn't bother me in my mind. I think it's our obligation to play around those twists. And I actually think that the smaller tribal almost gave me an opportunity to save myself more so than a larger tribal. Now, if we had gone to tribal with nine people and tried to vote two people off of that

back to back, I mean, maybe something more chaotic happens. Maybe I slipped through the cracks because going with the easy plan is never really fun. But I will say, like, the twist almost gave me more. more flexibility, more opportunity to make something happen as somebody who was playing from the bottom. So actually, I guess after sitting here talking about it, maybe I do like it. Okay. So you and Rick were in this very precarious position where you were both seemingly at the bottom of the tribe. Do you feel like that if this was a normal tribal council, you would have had a better chance to stay? It's hard. I mean, Rick, I think no matter what is playing his idol for himself. And that is by far his best move.

So the question becomes, what do the rest of the people vote for? And they could easily vote for me. I am on the bottom. I was closely aligned with Rick. But I was also just such a non-threat. And it's at this point in the game where you're thinking to yourself, yeah, who do I want to be sitting next to at final three? And I think there were probably a fair number of people who'd be willing to sit next to me

because they felt like they had good chances against me. So in a sense, it's entirely possible that if we had gone to tribal council with the entire group that I would still be around. But it wouldn't necessarily be better for my game that I'd be around. rounds. I would still be trying to like build some resume that doesn't result to me being a no vote finalist. And that's really hard to do this late in the game. Did you feel at all that there was any possibility that Tiffany could have gotten votes as somebody else who wasn't immune at the Strabah Council? Yeah. So we went, you know,

Devons and I kind of went back and forth about what the best plan was. I think Rick had suggested, well, I think Jonathan will turn on Surrey. Jonathan might want to make a big move. And I, I think to myself, you know, Jonathan, for whatever reason, or not just on the, but the tribe was so hyper-focused on getting Devons out. And Jonathan and I had no personal relationship. I just thought the chance of that was incredibly low. And Surrey and Tiffany at some point just became attached at the hip. They were just thick as thieves.

So I really, in my mind, really did not think that I could get the votes for somebody like Tiffany. Now the question was you maybe get the votes for somebody like Surrey if somebody's being willing to make a big move. But that person, like Tiffany is not going to vote against three. Jonathan's not going to vote against Surrey. It was just so blindingly obvious. to me that I was going to go home, that I don't know. I just had to come up with something. I was like, is there any scenario in which we split the votes and that doesn't result in that?

Emily, was there any part of this that you feel like was payback from Surrey and Tiffany about when you told them that they were making the rice wrong and that you should have smaller portions of the rice? You know, I, I, I, that seemed to upset them. Them, there are them now. No, like, I made so many mistakes on season 50. and so many things that I said that I wish I could go back and take back.

I mean, virtually everything. I stand by the rice. Surrey cooked half of that bag of rice. It was so much rice. We didn't even. It's day 18. And then you had the auction the next day. It's right.

Eat the rice, Emily. Come on. That's what Surrey said. Come on. It's fair enough. Fair enough. I think Surrey also knew that there were some people on the tribe whose name start with R and ends with O

that were maybe getting, too thin. Too skinny. We're particularly, particularly concerning from a production standpoint that the rice was going to flow. Rice would be flowing. Yeah. You said that there were a lot of things that you maybe would do different in season 50.

Can you share some of those things that you would wish you had to do over on? Where to even start? I mean, the big thing, the obvious thing, the elephant in the room is just shutting my damn trap. And honestly, my face too. My face has a lot. My mouth isn't talking. My face is talking.

I really wish that I had been more thoughtful about what information I shared. It's a little ironic. And I forget which pregame interview. Somebody asked what I thought I could learn from D. And I said, D was always really smart about sharing information. She knew who to tell people to what and when. And I never had that skill. And then I, of course, proceeded to institute none of that in my sympathy gameplay.

There was so much verbal diarrhea, so much secret spilling that was not intentional, not strategic. So I really, a lot of my big regrets come around the people I talk to and shared information with. But I think you've said this yourself, that it does seem to help you where that, okay, let me get close to Emily because she's going to tell me what's going on. And you're rarely sharing your own secrets. And so isn't there, I mean, that you've gotten pretty far two times. Isn't there some method to this? It's kind of like this Catch-22 where I do think you're right. in some other respects, maybe people felt like they could work with me because I think it comes

across very genuine. And I do mean it very genuinely. Like the conversation I had with like Q and Stephanie and Ozzy, where I was spilling the beans about Aubrey's Idol. Like they could feel that that was very genuine. And they thought to say, wow, Emily's being really transparent. Emily's willing to work with me. Now, was that a smart move? Probably not because my closest ally at that point was Christian. And I immediately regretted it. So I in some respects, I guess I could say that like it helps my individual game with some personal relationships. But it doesn't help you long term when you are doing that at the expense of your allies that you need for votes. And it's really hard to live with the consequences of my actions when they hurt the people around me versus just hurting myself.

And I really wish that the pain and suffering associated with my, like, buffoonery came back to punish me more than it punished other people. It sucks. Yeah. Well, if I could push back on that for a moment with you, I feel like that you're really the master of, surviving the tribe swap where that, you know, you may get swapped into these sort of like unfavorable situations and then are able to figure out your way through. And I guess maybe ironically that you're in this small tribe here and, you know, you're very loyal to Rick Devons. I mean, what are you going to do? He has an idol. But you've done very well in the premurge of

surviving these tribe swaps. I think I discovered one thing about myself in this game of Survivor. I love to play from the bottom. I have more fun. I actually, I think I play better. when my back is against the wall, when I feel like I don't have options, when things are really bad. And I don't know how to play when the numbers are on my side, when I have power or information. I think that's actually harder for me. I will say, I got very lucky with the tribes off, especially the first one on Devatu. I easily could have gone when Mike came after me. And it was entirely up in Christian's hands. I think Stephanie was going to do whatever Christian was willing to do. And Christian made a really difficult decision in that moment. And he could

have decided differently in that case, I don't survive. I go out premurge. I go out a lot earlier. I'd love to talk a little bit about this idea of the seal of four and this idea of you and Christian and Devons with Surrey. And just looking back at it, how invested was Surrey in the seal of four? That's a really good question. And I think she was initially very invested when we were early days when we set up the Four Alliance. I think she felt very comfortable there. I was not aware of how a lot of her previous relationships went. Like with Ozzy, I knew they were close. I didn't realize how close.

I think as she hit merge, you know, she realized that she has a lot of options. Everybody was thinking that they're working with Surrey. So eventually something's going to happen where she has to make a judgment call about which alliance she feels best moving forward with. And I think she made the judgment call during the Christian vote out that her odds were better

with other alliances versus with the seal of four. And you can't fault somebody for trying to make that call. That's what everybody is doing. Yeah. So you and Ozzy had this very interesting relationship over the course of the season. And of course, there's some symmetry now that you and Ozzy end up both being the two people who get voted out due to this twist. What was your reaction seeing Ozzy voted out and being witness to that very emotional tribal council? I was really shocked, to be honest with you. I think Tiffany and Jonathan had conversations where they had an idea about what was happening on the other side. myself was so, I mean, I knew I was going home likely, so I didn't care. I was like, whatever happens over there. That's a, that if I'm here tomorrow, that is tomorrow's problem.

I was so focused on happening on my own beach that I, I just thought, you know, the easy option is to vote Aubrey off. That's, everybody was just throwing out names. Like, it's easy options. I should, thinking about it at one level deeper, realize it's very rare that you end up going for the easy option. But I was not expecting the votes, especially after we had failed so many times to get traction for Ozzy previously, that that was going to happen at the split tribal.

And I was taken aback. My first thought was, oh, my gosh, I have to ride back in a boat with this guy. That's going to be one awkward vote, right? Because he was still sore with you from the vote where you tried the erode of him? Not necessarily, actually. I think it's just because it was so raw. He was so sad. Yeah.

Well, that's, that's, I was expecting to go back by myself necessarily before the tribal, you know, split. So it's like, you have time to process and compartmentalize a little. alone in the boat. But with, yeah, with Ozzy, I think because he didn't play the idol, it was just so raw. And I were thinking to myself, like, and we did. We spent a lot of the boat ride back talking about it and his thought process there. It's interesting with the Aussie vote. I, I never really wanted Ozzy out late into the merge. At the beginning, I did. I thought that was a plan that the seal of four had come up with. I actually thought it was,

in part, Surrey's idea. I thought she had decided that it was time to cut him. And I were thinking to myself, like, I have a good relationship with Ozzie. I'd rather go against Ozzie. I'd rather go against someone like Jonathan, who had no relationship with her. But I thought, I I had to do it to protect my alliance. And it's hilarious watching it back now being like, I didn't want this. Nobody wanted this. But I was pushing it. Emily, I'd love to go back to the Mr. Beast coin from last week's episode. Was Rick going home at the tribal council before he flipped the Mr. Beast coin? Or was it going to be Stephanie all along? I think he probably was. Now, the reason I say that is because there was so much scrambling. Nobody had any clue who they were voting

for heading into that tribal council. I have never, not that I haven't played a ton of survivor, but I have never experienced it like that. It was insane. to the point where I don't even think production knew who was going home. We each got called individually to be like, who are you voting for? And I was like, I don't know who I'm voting for. They didn't know where to seat us. Nobody had any idea. But the reason why I think it would have been Rick, who ultimately went home, was because

everybody was so afraid about the votes coming on to them, flipping onto them, that that's when you take the easy vote. And Rick at that point was just like, well, we don't have any, it's hard to get everybody else. So just go for Rick. Yeah. How did Rick having that idol then affect you as the tribe looked at, Rick being potentially somebody who was not going home.

Yeah, I actually think it improved my position because it forced people to work with Rick for at least one more vote, right? You're thinking to yourself, well, Rick's going to play as idle. He'll be around for a little bit so I can at least use him as a number. And if you start using Rick as a number, maybe you start thinking to yourself, well, I can use Emily as a number too. And the good thing about playing from the bottom is that like usually, like I said, people don't always want to go with the easy option if they can take out somebody who is a bigger strategic threat. Yeah. Emily, you know, the last time, you came through Survivor.

You said, you know, that's it. I'm done. I'm not playing anymore. What about now after season 50? Okay. I know. What is it? I live at 500,

Hi, at the risk of making the same statement I made last time and then immediately going back on it. I don't think I'm interested in playing again. Not that I think I'd be asked to. There's lots of different reasons. Part of it is I would like to spare the audience from having to watch me put my foot in my mouth for an entire second season and ruin my allies.

They like that. They like that. Some people, I was yelling. Personally, I was yelling at my TV, just being like, God, can I just keep my mouth shut for once in my life? Apparently not. But no, I had so much fun on season 50, but I will say, coming back a second time, it's not novel. It's not new anymore. The true unfiltered survivor experience is always the first time you play.

The second time around, I had a lot of fun, especially playing with like Devons and others, but it was just not the same. And I really think that there's other people who should have that experience before myself. Okay. Emily, I'll let you go that you are such an efficient exit, exit interview subject, I have to say. Really, one of the best fellow podcaster. Emily, all the best outside the game. I'll talk to you soon, okay? Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Take care. Hi. Everybody, there you have it. Emily flip in. And I told Emily after that Emily is such an efficient exit interview subject. She's really going to cut to the chase. word salad from Emily Flippin, and she's going to do everything very efficiently, and we appreciate that here on the exit interview. Emily Flippin, a little down on herself, I felt like that,

you know, she really cemented herself as a really fun survivor character, and I would love to see another go-round with Emily Flippin. But in the meantime, I'll have to just watch her on Blood on the Clock Tower next time Stephen gets the whole crew together. All right, we're going to take a break when we come back. Ozzie, we'll talk about his very sad departing. Archer from Survivor. We come back right after this. When the weather cools down, Golden Nugget Online Casino turns up the heat. This winter, make any moment golden and play thousands of games like her new slot Wolf It Up and all the fan-favorit-up and all the fan-favorid hoppuff games.

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better than I thought I'd be doing. I've been, I've not, I've been, I've been, I've been anxiously awaiting this day for the last 10 months. The moment, the moment that Jeff said, does anybody have an idol and would wish to play it? There was a little bit of a hesitation and I sensed it. And Jeff, he's a very fair player. But, you know, I think that he kind of was trying to give me a sense that I needed to play. that idol and that moment when my mind got in front of my heart my intuition and I took that risk

that moment I have been just regretting having to relive for the last 10 months so I got a little bit of closure last night being surrounded by 300 loving fans watching me just rip my heart out and in pour my emotions yet again was was really great and it's it's kind of helping me get that closure that i've been looking for for the last 10 months since we left fiji i thought you had a beautiful final episode and i thought that it was really sweet how they tied in the story of your dad into all of this. How are you feeling as that was all part of this final part of your Survivor 50 story? Yeah, it's, it's weird. It's like there's two parts to it. Part of me feels so embarrassed that I even 20 years ago talked about my problems and my struggles. But part of me is really proud that I

became, I was vulnerable and let people in to see that because over the years, I've had so many people identify with the things that I've gone through. Last night was particularly difficult because part of it was this closure for what happened with my biological father and just the how difficult it is to have a, a mom or a dad that lives in another country. And then to not be able to give the sort of respect to the, my dad who raised me, you know, I felt like I missed an opportunity there to, and I did talk about that, but, you know, when the editing happens, like, things get left out. So last night, it was

tough for him. And I wanted to tell him today that I love him so much. And thank you for being there for me. So it's been a very, it's been a wild ride. That's the difference between, you know, being like a kid in your 20s and then having, you know, a lifetime of experience. And then you recontextualize so much of like what you thought when you were a younger person. I thought it was interesting that we flash back to you in the final tribal council back in Cook Islands where you lost the game by one vote. How much of that was on your mind when you were trying to explain your game to Aubrey as you thought she was going to the jury? It was major, major component. I think the only way that it makes sense for you to lay out your game to someone who you're about to send home is if you actually play the idol.

You know, like I was planning on playing the idol almost all day. Joe and Jonathan and Rizzo, they did a really great job of like making me feel like I was going to be safe. But I still had that feeling like, I got to play it. I got to play it. And then, you know, you just start to once, once you are on your way to tribal and you're in lockdown and then you start to spin your wheels in your head. And then I started to just come up with these like crazy formulas of like, no, I'm going to be safe. I don't like, I can do it one more. If I do it one more, then I'll have the idol and then it'll be, you know.

So it was a cerebral mistake when I knew my heart and soul was screaming. Yeah. Play the idol, bro. You got to play the idol. And your name was coming up round after round at this point in the game. And I was interested to know from you where we saw where Rizzo was going through like, okay, I know the information. Should I tell Ozzy or not, Ceres?

Like, oh, I hope Rizzo tells him. But he didn't. How are you feeling about that decision that he made? I don't blame him. But I also think that it's short-sighted. Yeah. I think that he just now, now he's exploded his alliance. Sorry.

He's exploded his alliance. Now he's got a lot more vulnerability for the rest of the game. Yeah. I think it's going to be really hard for him to make a case. I mean, look, to be honest, I don't think Rizzo is sitting next to anybody who's still in this game right now is going to win. Yeah. I think he's got this overinflated view of himself. I mean, he calls himself Riz God. You know, I mean, it's like, come on, bro. You've played Survivor now for what? 40 freaking days. And what have you done? You've gotten yourself to top four, right? Like, we didn't even get the chance to see that.

So you don't like camp life. You don't like any of the other aspects. All you really like is hearing yourself talk and testimonials as much screen time as you're going to get. and tribal council and that's all you got to go for. So I think that somebody like Rizzo really needs to like buffer themselves. And Surrey now that he's kind of, I mean, who knows what's going to happen? But I don't think Surrey can really trust him now. I mean, who can trust him? Yeah. You know, I think it's so interesting that you had a lot of different allies over the course of the game.

And every single one of them at some point says, but you know what? My big move has got to be. It's time to take out Ozzy. The one person who never turned on you, the one person. who had your back the whole way through was Surrey. And to think from where your relationship started to what it became, what was that ride like for you with Surrey to have her really be such a rider die for you? It was amazing.

And that was the best decision that I could possibly have made to go into this game knowing that I want to work with Surrey. I want to go with, look, I would have been honored to lose to Surrey. I would gone, I would, the way that I like to play Survivor and the way that I've tried to play is I want to go to the end with people that I think are the best. And if I'm going to lose to anybody, I want to lose to the best people. So that's the way I look at it. And I just really hope that I didn't screw Surrey up by now not being around as a number for her. You know, she had to burn her extra vote.

And, you know, Suria is such a, such. such a powerful player that people are going to be gunning for her. Yeah. Is it any consolation for you that you saved her with the extra vote that you gave her? It is the only consolation, really. It's the smallest of silver linings. The fact that she survived that vote and in a very amazing way that she survived that vote and socked it to Emily, I think is just poetically beautiful.

Yeah. Is there anybody that you're particularly disappointed with that voted for you out of Jonathan or Joe or Aubrey from that tribal council? I mean, really, it's hard to say between Joe and Jonathan, who I'm more hurt by. One of the things that we didn't see that was a scene very similar to the scene that I had with Rick Devons, where we're discussing our sort of backgrounds and our fathers and like, you know, Jonathan has some some painful past as well. And him and I really bonded over this thing, this, you know, our shared sort of pain from our childhoods.

And that didn't make it to the show, so you don't see that. But I really did feel like Jonathan and I were like that we were kind of like brothers at that point. Joe is a little more iffy. Joe is like hard to wrap. I don't know what kind of game Joe is playing, but he's been such a hard person to, he was a really hard person to play with.

Every single vote that was going to be a little bit strategic, we'd have to like draw a form. We'd have to like, okay, this and this, than this, Joe, this, you know. And so for him, I'm like, I don't necessarily feel as hurt by, although I just thought that he was going to be playing this like Mr. Joe stand up firefighter kind of game and and but at the end of the day man I'm not going to make

excuses I fucked it up sorry I don't know if we can say that but I think it's fine yeah I screwed that up and I'm not going to I'm not going to blame anybody else but myself where do we go from here now Ozzie is this is this it with survivor is there more survivor for you i mean bro i don't i can't imagine them asking me to play six times that's just going to make people crazy i mean not look if survivor australia are they still on by the way i think so i thought they got cancer i thought i think they're okay i think it's okay right now yeah like if survivor australia called i would love to go play like you know a nice big long 50 day oh the real one the real one Not the Jeremy short one.

Nah, I want to go play the, I want to go play the real Australian Survivor. I think that would be a lot of fun. But, you know, look, I'm looking at you. You're playing traitors. You're doing all these other shows. Like, I think that would be fun. I'd have to brush up. Diversity.

Yeah. I'd have to brush up on my, my observation and lying skills. But, you know, what, I got some good teachers here. So, yeah. Yeah. Listen, anytime you want to talk shop, I would love to do it. Could you tell us the dream that you had? What happened in the dream?

Oh, yeah. So I'm like one of the the firekeepers. I sleep next to the fire every night. Yeah. Make sure that fire is going and passed out. And I literally like woke up in Ponderosa. Stephanie and coach are there. And they're like, Ozzie, what are you doing here?

And I was like, ah. And I woke up next to the fire. And I was like, oh my God. I'm sorry. I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm still alive. I'm still in the game.

Oh, I'm, I got to play my idol. So I told everybody that dream and, you know, sure enough. And this is, I've been saying this in all my interviews that the biggest lesson that I've learned, from the 500 and however many days I've played, the five seasons at this point is that our powers of observation, intuition, subconscious are so powerful when you unlock that,

that in yourself. I think through meditation, through quieting the mind and feeling other parts and really tapping into those senses is I'm learning that I'm a lot more observant and a lot more intuitive

than I've ever given myself credit for. But it all happens when you let your stream of just shit that is constantly flowing when you quiet that down and you're able to refurb reflect, there's a lot of power there. And I've started to unlock that in myself. And unfortunately, you know, it's a $2 million lesson.

Yeah. That lesson is often priceless. But maybe you have it right there for time number six for maybe Australian Survivor. Yeah. And, you know, with these dreams, it was, you know, your friend Cowboy back in, back in Cook Islands, where I'll start playing voodoo was also a dream. and so that these survivor dreams are powerful things. Ozzie, you are such a legend, and it was such an amazing ride to go on here with you.

I'm sorry it ended the way it did, but it was an amazing trip for you. And so much of the season was your story. And so I hope that you are proud of what you did accomplish in season 50. Rob, I really appreciate it. You are a legend, and you've watched and been such a, strong and powerful voice, just to hear that from you. It makes, it just fills my heart with joy. So thank you.

Yeah, okay. Hope we can catch up soon. All the best, Ozzy. Hell yeah. I'll see you soon. See you soon. Bye. Bye.

All right. All right. There you have it. There's Ozzy. And Ozzy is somebody who is always so interesting to talk to. Ozzie is an artist. Ozzie has like a poet's soul. So he's not going to give you the real.

analytical breakdown of the game, but he is going to really bear his soul whenever he's on TV or you get the chance to talk to him. And I really do appreciate that. And I feel like it's so rare in this world and in this space. So I always find it very refreshing as somebody to get to, as an interview subject, somebody who is going to really just lay themselves out there for people. And so I always appreciate any opportunity I get to talk to Ozzy in a setting such as this. And I hope he's doing okay and look forward to maybe some longer talks with Ozzie coming up in the future. So here's what we're going to do next. We're going to take a break.

When we come back, Brandon Donnellin subbed in for me on this week in Survivor History with Jordan Kalish. And so let's see how Brandon Donlin is going to do playing with Jordan Kalish and maybe even doing a verbal rebus. And so you'll hear Brandon Donlin and Jordan. Kaelish when we come back right after this. All right, there we go. What an exit interview, and we are back here on this week in Survivor History with your host, Jordan Kalish. And if you're wondering why I am doing the introduction, usually this is Rob's job.

Rob is not here. He is too busy hobnodding with the Glitterati and the Litterati. He is in New York. And I actually did just see Rob last night at the viewing party, and we had a great time. but the co-hosts for Twitch today, usually it's Rob, we have the great. Brandon Donlin, Brandon Donlin is here and he is going to be doing trivia today. I'm so thrilled. I don't know, I would have to see the Survivor fact-checker data, but I'm wondering,

am I the first person to have played Twish against Rob to now be co-hosting with you against one of our lovely patrons? I believe you are. I know that the first person to ever play Twitch before going on Survivor and then coming back once they were Survivors, baby Andy. But I believe you were the first person to accomplish this feat. So congratulations. You are making Twitch history today. And you are taking on Sarah, who is here to try to beat you.

Hey, Brandon. Hey, Jordan. I'm so honored to be part of this Twitch history here today. Yeah. Sarah, tell us a little bit about yourself. Let's see. I did start watching Survivor when it first came out. It was like right after I graduated from college when it came out and like you couldn't be a person in the U.S. and not watch the show. Like it was just so huge. And so I did see some of it back then and then I just kind of stopped watching. And then during the pandemic I got back into it. I just, you know, started binge watching and just became obsessed, discovered RHAP. and have gone to live events and have had an amazing time and met a lot of cool people. And so I don't have like a great memory for all the minutia.

So we'll see how this goes. But I'm looking forward to it. Well, my minutia is is my middle name here on Twitch because we do get into a lot of the minutia. Brandon, Sarah, are you, are you ready to get into the categories for this week? I have four categories. Ready. I'm sorry. I couldn't be ready.

Excellent. We have Surrey Fields. We have Q. we have the old era mystery box and the new era mystery box. So let's say this. So the mystery box is worth three. If you have to go to the multiple choice, it is worth one. If you steal without the multiple choice, then it is two.

And if you steal with the multiple choice, it is one. So that's what we're doing here on Twitch. So Sarah, you're technically the guest, even though this week you're both my guests. But Sarah, what category we choose in first? I think I'll go old era mystery. box. Right. The old era mystery box. Of the old era players who played on at least three seasons before Survivor 50, who was the only one to never participate in a survivor auction on their previous seasons? So they had to have played at least three times before 50 and never participate in an auction.

And Survivor 50 trivia does not count. So this is previous to 50. Okay. So I'm going to have to try to talk through this a little bit. I may have to go to multiple choice, but let's see. So it's not Ozzy, it's not Surrey. They had some memorable auction moments. Let me think. Who else has played

three? You said at least three times? At least three times before 50. Okay. Stephanie played at least three times, but I can't remember if she was in an auction before. Let me

think. coach maybe. Did they do an auction on Heroes versus Villains? Hmm. I think I'm going to have to do multiple choice on this. All right. So we're going to go to the multiple choice. So this is going to be worth one if you get it right.

Also, if Brandon steals, it will be worth one. We have A, Aubrey, B, Coach, C, Colby, D. Stephanie. Okay. So I got a couple of people that I mentioned there. Unfortunately, the ones that you said were the obvious ones with memorable auction moments are not part of the multiple choice. Yeah. You know, I think actually, I think I'm going to go Aubrey. Aubrey.

So she played on Survivor Korong. She played on Survivor Game Changers and the Edge of Extinction, none of which had auctions. There were no auctions in the 30s post-Worlds apart. So that is correct, Sarah. You get one point because he did go to the multiple choice there. and Brandon, it is now up to you. You can either go new era mystery box, Surrey, or Q.

Give me, let's do that. Let's keep the mystery boxes afloin. I'll do new era mystery box final answer. All right, new era mystery box. And if you get it without the multiple choice, you can take a two point lead here. Emily Flippen, you know Emily Flippen, was idled out by Julie in a one to zero vote

this week in Survivor history. Who is the only other new era player to get booted after all the votes were negated except for the one vote that sent them home. Note, the answer to this question isn't necessarily someone on Survivor 50. Who is the only new era player who was booted? Yeah, so say that again, I'm sorry. Yeah, so all the votes were negated by an idol

except for the one vote that sent them home. And I'm putting a note in here that the answer to this question isn't necessarily someone on Survivor 50 because typically with the mystery box questions, it is somebody on 50. So it might be, it might not be. Oh my God. I may have to do multiple choice because I'm not thinking of somebody immediately at all.

I'm just doing, I'm going through the Rolodex in my head of idle plays. No, it's not. I think I know who it is, but I'm going to do multiple choice because I want to make sure it's one of my answers. All right. So we're going to the multiple choice. Was it A, baby Andy. B, Maddie Pamea. C. J. Maya or D. Sarah Wade.

J. Maya is not J-Maya because that was a shot in the dark. I thought the answer was Sarah Wade. That was my initial answer. And maybe Andy, I can't remember if any, it's not, it's not Maddie, I don't think. And I don't think it's Andy. I'm going to go Sarah Wade and I could be wrong. Sarah Wade is incorrect. So Sarah, not Sarah Wade, Sarah, the contestant on this quiz.

You could steal one point here if you get right. Okay. my gut when you went through the multiple choice options, my gut was Maddie. So that's going to be my answer. So Maddie Pamia is correct. There were two votes negated by an idol. She went home with one vote. It was Brandon Connum's vote.

There were two players who could not vote at that tribal council. So it wasn't a lot of votes that were negated by the idol. But the vote for her was the only one that counted there. So Sarah, you steal the point. And you have a two nothing lead. You also have control of the board. So you have Surrey or. Q, these questions if you get it with the multiple choice are worth, sorry, without the multiple

choice, worth two, with would be worth one. Let's go Q. Okay, Q. Rocking the Q skirts here on Twitch. A week after missing out on Applebee's, Liz Wilcox narrowly missed out on a Pitcher reward after losing rock paper scissors to Q. Who won the reward challenge and asked Q and Liz to play rock paper scissors in order to earn a spot on the reward?

That I know immediately. That was Maria. That was Maria. And without the multiple choice, that is two points. You have a four zero lead. Meaning, Brandon, unfortunately, you are mathematically eliminated from the win here. But we're still going to go to the Surrey question. You don't want to get shut out. So you can still get one or two points here on this question. Surrey Fields, a player who I'm sure you have delved into the history of Surrey many times, and I think you're going to get this one.

Surrey's only individual challenge win in her survivor career thus far, fittingly came in a social game-based competition, winning the Exile Island Chop Challenge for reward. Which two players did she bring with her to the spa causing all three to miss the Bruce Venevac?

So you need to get both players that she brought to the spa. This is actually not. This is actually a hard question. Yeah. You know what I teed it up. I teed it up.

It's a Surrey question. Everyone remembers what Surrey. I want to logic it out because Courtney was there. So it's not Courtney. It had to have happened at the final eight. So Bruce is on this side.

Surrey is here. I literally, I have, am I not a fan of the show? Danielle Aris It's not she didn't bring Terry So Terry's over here And then did she bring Shane

Or Danielle and Aris Is my good? No I think Shane was there Daniel and Aris is my final answer Go bigger go ahead Good job You do get you get the two points there It is Daniel and Aris both remembering That's impressive brand

Both remembering who was there for the Bruce Medivac and also thinking about logically Who Surrey would have brought with her Terry was not there either Because Surrey sent Terry to exile Island. So the final score is four to two, Sarah, congratulations. You have won the game. And congratulations to the listening audience because neither player achieved a perfect game. And then therefore no one has the choice to nix the verbal Revis. So we're going to the verbal

rebus, baby. It's happening here on Twitch. It's been a little while since I've, since I've gotten to do one because the last one we recorded was two weeks ago. So here we go. And I will, I will read them first and then you guys can work on it together. And I think you'll get it. Um, Rocky Reed wanted to blank Jeff on the Jeff phone. Plus, the first zero vote finalist in Survivor history and were looking for her last name. Plus, the last letter of Survivor Season 17's location or the first letter of its merged tribe name.

It's the same letter. Plus, the tribe blank spoken. And it's not the tribe and I have spoken. That's a great book. But this is the tribe, Blank spoke and popular Jeff quote from every episode Survivor ever. Plus, this player was accused of smuggling beef jerky in the Australian outback. So that is the full rebus there.

Okay, let's go from the first clue. Rocky Reed wanted to blink Jeff on the Jeff phone. I don't remember. I mean, logically, I'm thinking call, but is it right? It is call. It is call. That was a harder syllable. to get than I then I then you would you would think a lot of my Googling when I do these verbal

reapses are like going to the alphabet alphabetical list of survivor contestants and like finding like little little um the syllables and people's names but yeah that that one was uh I I remember there was another instance of the word call being used in survivor history so yeah we have call plus the first zero vote finalist in survivor history we're looking for her last name who do we have Was that Becky Lee? It was Becky Lee. So it's call plus Lee. The last letter of Survivor 17's location or the first letter of its merge name.

17 was that Gobone? It was Gabon. Okay. So N. And the merged tribe was no bag, which is Gabon backwards. Plus the tribe blank spoken. I think you guys look at this one. Has.

Has spoken. So has. Plus this player was accused of smuggling beef jerky in the Australian Outer. back. That was Kel, right? That was Cal. Kel Gleason.

So who do we have? Oh, I'm trying to add them all up now. All this is my head. Call. Lee. N. Oh, my God. My brain.

I'll read you. You have all the correct answers. It's call. Lee. N. Has. Kel. Oh, Colleen Haskell.

Colleen Haskell. It's got it. More commonly known as Colleen Haskell. Right, right. Yes. That's what everyone was a normal way to say.

That's why we haven't been able to find her to be on another survivor season after all these years because we're mispronouncing her name and not using the verbal rebisified version of it. So yeah, Colleen Haskell. Brandon, I loved watching your facial reactions going through the verbal rebus because usually it's Rob and I think it's become such a part of his routine.

Even though it's not his favorite part of that. the routine. He's used to it. You had some great facial reactions there to some of these clues. So great job on the verbal rebus. And Sarah, congratulations. You got, you did it. Should I release a book of verbal revises? Yeah, we know a publisher.

We do. Yeah, exactly. All these survivor world, like R-HB people are writing books. I think I've got to get it on the game. Is it still a verbal rebis if it's published in a book, though? No, it's just a Revis at that point. What if it's a, it could be an audio

book. It could be an audio book. It could be an audio. It could be an audio book of verbal rebuses and then I can release the print version of regular revises. Yeah. That work. You know what? Not for anything. A YouTube video of you just doing 20 of them. I feel like that. I feel like people would like that. That's fun. But on TikTok, I got to get better. I get better at social media. I'm so bad at it. I got to consult my, my, my social media guru TikTok, but I got to get better. Maybe that's my goal for the offseason. I'm sad. I'm ready to see it. Well, anyway, that was a great episode of Twitch. Thank you for listening.

Brandon, Sarah, thank you so much for coming on. You're welcome back anytime. And we will talk to you next week for the last this week of Survivor History of the season. We don't record finale week. So next week is our Twitch finale. We'll be going over some trivia from a lot of finalies in Survivor history that involved Survivor 50 contestants. Love it. Sounds good.

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