RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Ep 4 Exit Interview

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Survivor 50 Ep 4 Exit Interview Today, Rob Cesternino sits down with Survivor favorite Mike White for a no-holds-barred exit interview. Together, they get real about the highs and lows of coming back for another round and take listeners behind the scenes of secret alliances, blindsides, and the mental toll of an all-returnee season. Mike dishes on the true dynamics between Survivor legends and why his return this time didn’t go exactly as planned, especially when friendships get put to the test. As the episode kicks off, Rob and Mike share a candid conversation about how Survivor 50 felt more grueling and different than their first stints. Mike opens up about the pre-game exhaustion, how relationships with returnees like Christian and Angelina played into his downfall, and what it’s really like when a close ally stabs you in the back. Hear how the seemingly strong “David vs. Goliath 3” trio of Mike, Christian, and Angelina struggled with trust, and why Ozzie’s gameplay motives kept everyone guessing. Mike also reflects on the importance of loyalty, his thoughts on key tribemates (including Coach, Jonathan, and Chrissy), and some funny stories about being too hungry to care about Sanctuary rewards—or even a live Zac Brown concert! – Why Mike’s pre-existing bonds with Christian and Angelina weren’t enough to keep his torch lit – The “awkward vibes” of the David vs. Goliath reunion and how hubris cost Mike his game – Mike’s read on Ozzy’s strategic moves and why Ozzie wanted Angelina gone before making any bigger shifts – The debates over voting out Stephenie versus targeting players seen as cutthroat, like Emily – Behind-the-scenes camp life with standout players like Coach, Chrissy, and Jonathan, as shared by Mike Throughout Survivor 50, choices get harder, alliances get messier, and friendships are always on the line. Who can you really trust in a tribe full of legends, and does loyalty still have a place in the new era? Chapters: 0:00 Intros 3:08 Blindsided By Christian’s Vote 4:12 David vs Goliath Reunion Tension 6:33 Why Emily Was Targeted 8:05 Coach: Honor Versus Survivor Reality 10:12 Chrissy’s Survivor Obsession Revealed 12:11 Overconfident About Old Alliances 13:13 Mike Fighting For Angelina Again 14:18 Survivor’s Changing Game Dynamics 17:00 TWISH To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Then we will play this week in Survivor History. with Jordan Kalish last night. Stephen Fishback was traveling. And so Sam Phelan stepped in after the episode. I had a great recap there. Steven's going to join me for some no-it-alls that will post over the weekend. And then today, Tina Wesson on a jam-packed schedule,

not to mention the patron Q&A coming up on Friday and Club Condo on Monday in the patron feed. But we have Mike White here, and let's go ahead and bring him in. What an honor. It is to welcome back to the podcast, the great Mike White. Mike, how are you? Thanks, Rob.

I don't know. I don't know what's worse. You crapping on me or like giving me props because I'm like, I'm like, I don't, now I'm like, oh, God, now he feels like he has to be nice to me. Like, this just be real, Rob. Like, whatever, whatever. It's all good. We'll be real.

But if I may, just very quickly, that I was recently. recommended Brad's status. And as a 47-year-old man who is on the verge of midlife crisis, it truly resonated with me. Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. I love you, Rob. It's all good. It's all good at the minute. Well, I'm thrilled to hear you say that, but it's not about me. This is your time here. And I'd love to hear more. It's our time, Rob. It's our time. This is our time. You're so right. So I'd love to hear just about your experience overall because I do feel like that so much of your work is about the experience and being in the moment. And I'd love to know from you if you felt like going back to Survivor, did you get out

of returning to the show what you were hoping to? Yes and no. Like I was so stoked to just honestly be invited and like to be part of it. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like the, like those people in production, Jeff, like, it's like, you know, like, it's like, you know, I, I, I, it felt like, you know, it's kind of a, not a second family, but it's like people that, you know, it's just like I, and I also, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a survivor fan from day one. Like, I, you know, like, you know, like, what? You're sick. Yeah, I will, but, but like, so like, it's like, so like, I feel like, yeah, I feel like I was lucky to, to be there. I know how big it is for them. So like to be able to be a party to that, it was cool. So like, and, and, and honestly, I got a lot of things out of it that are just kind of like dumb existential things, which is just like, you know, you have that moment or you're like, I'm starving.

Like, I'm starving. This is hell. Like, my life is good. Like, it's so, like, yeah, like, yeah, like, you're like, oh, you realize just how lucky you have it in your real life. And so, like, it did that for me. But like, yeah, as far as like, you know, you know, you've had, you, you, you've had, you, you, you, you played Survivor twice.

Like the first time, you know, it's like, if you go deep, you have, you have, like, if you go out early, you just get the hellish shit. You know what I mean? It's like, it's just, it's like the paperwork. It's the like, you know, all of the, you know, all of the buildup. And like with this season, like, because it was 50, the Ponderosa before, before we even got on the mat, I was exhausted. Like, you know what I mean?

It was like a week of like press crap and drone shots. And it's like, and so like, and so like, and then we get there. And it's like, you know, you haven't gotten. the rewards. You're, you know, it's like, you're just getting your seat legs. So it's like, you know, it's, so it's like you're, you just get the hellish crap and you don't get like, that feeling of like, oh yeah, there's some wind at my back and like, you know, like the fun of the game. So like, so that part of it was, yeah, not, if I had known at the beginning that that's how it of, you know, and also in my situation, because it was, I was taken out by Christian,

who was my friend and like had, I'd done so many conversations. It was like, you know, it was just like it was a, it was like a bummer kind of ending. But at the same time, yeah, I'm happy. I did it. And I'm, you know, I'm grateful they asked me, yada, yada, yada. Yeah. And listen, very relatable as somebody who had a great experience and then went back and the experience isn't the same the second time around.

So totally makes sense what you're saying. Can you talk a little bit about the David versus Goliath three coming back together? And did you feel like, okay, this is really going to? going to work or did you feel like that the vibes were off from the moment that you three were reunited specifically with Christian? You know, it was funny because I did feel like the vibes were weird, but I also, I guess I just had this kind of bullish kind of, maybe it was maybe, yeah, I mean, hubris or like, you know, like cockiness or I don't know what it was.

And I just felt like if I just assert an affinity amongst us and I just want this enough that I can make that happen, you know what I mean? Like that I can, you know, because I knew Christian and Angelina had not been. I've had a lot of conversations and done a lot of things with Christian, similarly with Angelina, but they haven't with each other. And so I just thought maybe I could just, you know, create the bridge. between everybody and Ozzy was a friend as well. So I was just like, okay, well, I'm, I'm rich in friends here.

But the vibe, as you said, was, it just, it felt a bit wanky. So I was like, I don't know what's going. But like, I still just, I never, I still never, yeah, I was, I mean, it was completely blindsided. I had, I know, I, I, even when I was walking away, I was like, what happened? It voted for me. Now, Mike, it seemed like that you and Ozzie had this decent relationship. and so Ozzy we hear saying, okay, I want to get rid of Angelina because then I feel like that Mike won't have anybody else and he'll only have me.

Did you sense that that was his motivation there? And how did that make you feel? I mean, I knew that he, yeah, didn't want Angela, didn't want to work with. I mean, it's survivors. So you want your number one to be your number one. You don't want them to have three number ones. You know what I mean? So it's like, I mean, it's totally natural that he would.

want that, you know? So like I, and I was, and I thought we could have the votes without him. So like, if he was going to keep voting for Angelina, yeah, I was just, I wasn't going to press it. So, so, yeah, but I, I was, I was trying to get him on the Angelina train, but I just couldn't get him on the Angelina. I couldn't get, yeah, I just wasn't getting any takers. So, Mike, a lot of, one question that a lot of people have had is why couldn't you all agree? It seemed like that Stephanie seemed like that she's sitting there and it seemed like maybe a target that you and Christian and maybe even Ozzy like all could have agreed on just vote out Stephanie instead of Angelina yeah um you know what had happened was at the tribal council

where at Q went home Emily made this speech about how and it's in the show where she talked about how she'd done things the season before and then her original season where she'd hurt people's feelings and all this stuff and but then she doesn't have any sympathy in a way for people who sign up to a game that they're going to be lied to and deceived and da-da-da-da-da. And as she's talking, I'm like, okay, this girl is telegraphing that she is cutthroat and she doesn't, you know what I mean? Like it's like you can build any kind of affinity with her and she's going to cut you. And so like the next day when we were, you know, when we lost, I was like, that's the person to go.

Because I felt like Stephanie might play more of a game that I would relate to, which is like kind of a loyalty game. Like where you just like, okay, these are the people we. want to go through, like, let's help each other go through it. And Emily was like basically saying that that's not the kind of game she plays. She's going to play a messy, like, kind of cutthroat game. And so I was just trying to get everybody to agree that that's probably the person we should take next. One of the things that I'm still not over is that we're not going to get your confessionals

talking about so many of the other players in this season. And I was wondering if maybe you could give us your thoughts on some of the people that you played with that we didn't get to hear quite enough in the show of you talking about. Yeah. Okay. So could you tell us a little bit more about your time with coach? Well, I, coach is a, he is a very lovable guy. So like I, you know, like he's definitely in this like kind of, I don't know, it seems from another era obviously of Survivor where it's like pride and like, you know, like him as honor and all that stuff. Like that, you know, it's like, that doesn't really speak to me.

It's like I, because it's such a weird game. Like, I don't know how you, you know, it's like, and that's why it's kind of funny to watch coach, like, have to contend with this issue each time. Like, he never can resolve it because the show itself undermines your dignity because that's the nature of Survivor. So, like, the fact that he's just constantly coming back and, like, having these, like, it's like Charlie Brown and the football.

It's just like, bro, you're on the wrong. If you won a game of Survivor, survive of, you know, integrity. Like, why'd you sign up for this one? I don't know. So, but he's a very lovable guy. And he's, there's, it's like, there's this other part of him that hopefully people see. But like, yeah, a very warm and funny and like, lovable dude.

And so, yeah, I really love a coach. And you really stirred the pot when you came back from that journey when you told the story that Colby had relayed about the Ozzie complaining about coach. on Exile Island. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I didn't, you know, I just, I just thought like, I mean, he'd already told us that he had, like, snake that key. So, like, it wasn't new news.

I was just telling him that they were kind of salty about it. But I just thought that that was dumb. Like, because I was on his side. I was happy he got brought us the stuff. And, like, so I didn't really realize that that was going to, like, send him over the edge in the way that it did. I was like, uh-oh. How about playing with Jonathan?

What was that like? Jonathan also is just like he is like the gentle giant. Like that guy is like so warm. He's such a he's such a kind of nice humble. Like for somebody is such an intimidating package. He's like such a like he's a total sweetheart. Like that guy has got a great soul. Okay.

What about Chrissy who we've heard from in confessionals from other players about how she's maybe rubbing some people the wrong way? What was your time like with Chrissy? I mean, Chrissy, I mean, this was the thing that was harder to come back on the second season, which was like, you know, the first season you're going through this experience with all these people, you've never, you've never done it before, and, like, you're all talking about your lives at home and your loved ones. And we did that still this season, too. But when you have returning players, it ends up being a lot of conversations about the last time I was on Survivor or this event I went to on Survivor.

And, like, Chrissy, God love her. But like she's very into Survivor. She's very into Survivor. And she's talking about Survivor all the time. And like you're there playing Survivor and somebody's talking about their time on Survivor. Like anyway, it was a little bit Survivor overload for me. So like, so she, you know, it's like she's, yeah, she's a she's a definite survivor. Not.

Mike, how did you cope with the disappointment of not getting to go see Zach Brown perform at the sanctuary. Bro, I was just, I was, I was so, I was so hungry. I was so hungry and I knew that we were, had no, I, I don't even know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know if it went through my brain that Zach Brown, Zach Brown. Like it was like, he, they could have brought out like, you know, share. And I would have been like, I, like, I, like, it was just like, get me.

I was like, I knew we were going to lose. I knew it was going to be humiliating. Like, we were, there was no chance. we were going to get the food, I didn't care about the musical guest, like, on top of the food. I just, you know, like, they're going to take my Flynn away. Like, I don't know. I was just, I was in a twilight state, that whole, that whole, like, wind up. Yeah.

Is there anything that you think it's important that the fans know about your game that we didn't get to see? Not really. I mean, I, I mean, the mistakes I made were pretty much shown in the, you know, I was a little, you know, I just, I was kind of over. confident about those relationships that I had had previous. You know what I mean? I kind of felt like they were going to hold. And so I played it more bull. Like I was, you know, usually on Saravi, you know, somebody makes the move and then you

make the counter move and or the counter move. And I just kind of walked in, you know, and be like, this is the move. And, you know, like I, and, you know, as a survivor watcher, you know, like, oh, that's a total mistake. But in that situation, I just, I just, I felt like, you know, the truth is I don't have a lot of regret because if we if yeah if the simulation was run like a hundred times I would have made the same mistake yes listen somebody's got to take care of angelina and that's your lot in life exactly yeah you know what I went down you know like yeah fighting for angelina it's it's kind of perfect

like it's a perfect like kind of like book end to my entire survivor experience but Mike I do want to give you props for something if I'm if I may because I do feel like that you have have an important role in all of this. And I'm not sure if you necessarily realize it, but Mike, we're all counting on you because we need you to stay on Jeff's ass. Okay. And so when he comes and he's got like some cockamamie whiteboard, okay? You keep, you keep telling him, Jeff, is that fun? Is that fun? Because Mike, that he'll listen to you. I mean, honestly, I don't even know. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I realize that I may not even be the right survivor viewer anymore. I like when I look at those guys and realize what they have to deal, it's just like I think

at this point I'm friends with Jeff and those producers. It's like everybody has an opinion. Everybody has a criticism. Every compliment is like a backhanded insult. So it's like I just like I know what that's like. And so I just want to be like it's all good. But you know what we like. Huh?

You know what we like. I mean. I do I I don't know like because people it's like it you know it's like you know what I always liked about Survivor initially was like how it what it reveals about people and reveals about you know it's like and the game you know the show's gotten much more about the gaming and you know it's like and like and but then I look at it like it's like you know like the Pratt fall like you know like Christian falling and then planting a thing for not really any reason other than to do so you know it's like like that like to me like people really love that but like for me that that feels, you know, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's not why I go to survive before. I go to see like people in like these situations that you could never come. You could never expect and that just show what they're like under pressure or like in this weird, you know, conflation with other people. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. Well, Mike, thank you so much. I know that you are

under no obligation to do these interviews. And so I greatly appreciate it. Keep on, keep on. Congratulations for all your success. Thank you. And this cottage industry you've created. Very cottage industry. Yeah. All right, Mike, thank you so much and all the best, okay? All right, take care.

Bye. Yeah. Nice to see you, man. All right, everybody, there you have it. Mike White. Wow. Okay. How about that, everybody?

And we are so back. All right. Great chat with Mike White. And listen, he does not have to come here. He did not have to do this. Mike White is at a station in life. He could say, are these mandatory? You know, I'm just going to talk to Dalton Ross or, you know, send me some questions on email or whatever.

So I really do appreciate it. It was cool that he came back. It's sick how much he loves Survivor and wants to do this when he could be doing literally anything in the world. But there he is. And very fun to get the chance to catch up with Mike. All right. We've got on the, listen, I don't know how we're going to follow that. up, but we're going to do this week in Survivor History when we come back right after this.

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Give it up for Jordan Klish. Yes, Zach Brown. I like everything chicken fried. That's him, right? Sure, sure. He does the chicken fried cold beer on a Friday night. I like the cold beer on a Friday night. Okay.

All right. Not sure how I feel about music stars gracing our television screens during Survivor, but whatever. All right. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? All right. Here with us to play this week in Survivor history. It's McKenzie.

McKenzie, how are you? I'm good, Rob. McKenzie, are you a fan of the Zach Brown band? Actually, yes. My husband and I were going to go see them, but then COVID happened and their concert got canceled. then we've never bought tickets again, but maybe one day. You don't need to. They're on Survivor now.

You can just watch them, rewatch the episode. Yeah. What is this Zach Brown band that I hear about? I only see Zach Brown. Yeah. Does that he believe losers? Yeah. I mean, he needs them to play the instruments.

I guess so. Look, he's doing fine by himself. Okay. You know what they should have done? They should have got Taj Johnson, Georgia. Like someone who's been on surface. Saku, get Sakew Bucon. What about?

Chase Rice was right. If it was a previous survivor, honestly, I kind of would like it. It would be a fun twist. Well, you know what, though? The fans voted. They said, no, rice. We want no, no, don't give them rice. And so they had to cancel.

Okay. All right. But this is in the hands of the fans. And so they said, please, we get to the this week in Survivor history trivia. But first, McKenzie, tell us a little bit about yourself. Um, great question. My name is McKenzie. I am in the Dallas area.

I've been a patron for about a year. and we'll see if I remember anything about Survivor while I'm on this call. All right. You said your husband's a fan of the Zach Brown band, right? Yes. So is he a Survivor fan too? I've forced him into it.

I've watched Survivor since I was a kid. So he loved this week's episode. Yes, yeah. Yeah, the only reason he wanted to watch is just because Zach Brown is going to be there. Obviously. Yeah. I heard, is Zach Brown going to be there?

Okay, I'm in for Survivor 50. Okay. All right, Jordan, this week, you've got four categories for us. What do you have in mind? All right. We're going to stick with the theme of what we've been doing in the previous two Twitch episodes, where two of the categories are going to be players on 50, and then we have our old era mystery box and our new era mystery box. As a reminder, the mystery box questions, all answers are related to the seasons previous to 50. So anything that happens on 50 does not count for these mystery box questions. The other two categories are Chrissy Hoffback and Ozzy.

So we have Chrissy and Ozzy as the two categories. As we're doing this season, the mystery box questions are an extra point. So if you get the mystery box without the multiple choice, you get three. If you get it with the multiple choice or if you steal, it is worth two. The Christie and Ozzy categories will be worth two for no multiple choice, one for multiple choice or steal. So McKenzie, with that information, you are able to choose the first category for this game. I'm going to go new era mystery box right new era mystery box going for the the extra point here several new era players on 50 experienced tribe swaps on their original season who is the only

new era player who played on a season with at least one tribe swap who remained on the same tribe for the entirety of the pre-merge okay so people who participated in swaps but stayed on the same beach stayed on the same beach for the whole pre-merge. Okay. Well, I'm thinking so Survivor 45, I'm like, should I think out loud? Survivor 45 had swapped and 49 had swapped. Do they still have to be in the game or they just have to be in the season? They would have to be in the game.

I believe everybody. No, in this game. In this game. Oh, it could be anyone who's cast on 50. So if you're on, if you're a, so like Kyle still in the mix. Yeah, a new era player on 50. And this is all information previous to what they did on 50.

50 has nothing to do with this. Okay. I am just going to shoot my shot, not go for multiple choice. I am thinking it's D from season 45. D for three. That is correct, McKenzie. Wow. Do you stayed on the Riba tribe for the whole pre-merge?

Emily, of course, part of that tribe swap too. She went from Lulu to Bello. And yeah, there's other players who didn't even participate in the tribe swap on this season. There was 48 and 49 had them. So there were some other options there. Several new ever players, of course, that's seven out of the, the 12 participated in tribe swaps. So McKenzie's strong start, you have three points. Rob, where are we going next?

I think I think I know where we're going to go based on the points here. You think I got to go to the old era mystery box? I mean, if you don't and McKenzie, McKenzie gets, if she gets another three point or it's Yeah, but you could miss it. I guess so. I guess let me go with the old era mystery box. All right. Old era mystery box.

Of the old era players on 50, who played at least two seasons previous to 50, who had the best average placement on their seasons? You knew it was going to be a question that I was going to hate. And so you tricked me into going into it. Well, I'm just saying you're down three zero. the best average place now I gotta be like okay

Surrey came in saying third third fourth fourth like a 19th and then I gotta do it like an average now well there's some players

who only played who only played once leading up if you could eliminate them yeah well guess what I'm not gonna sit here and do that kind of math that's my that's my motto mm-hmm

so now two time players what are their placements like what I gotta do Aubrey came in second uh and what did she come in on the edge of extinction

16th um I'm just hoping that there's going to be like an obvious answer of somebody who you could always go to the multiple choice I mean you're if you if you get it with the multiple choice you're only down by one point

mm-hmm Okay, give me the multiple choice. Okay. I'm not going to sit here with a, like, do the SATs right now. This is going to be for two, if you get it right. We have A, Surrey, B, Coach, C, Colby, D. Jenna Lewis. Well, Colby, well, I think the coach has made the merge all of the time. He came in, what, second, and then he came in fifth.

He did make the merge, but did Ceres four times. but then she came in. And you know it's going to come down to decimals, McKenzie, right? It will. This person averaged the fourth place. I mean, you've watched this season. This person averaged 8.25. This person averaged 8.26.

So the answer is this. I mean, I will say this. Before I wrote the question, I was thinking about it, and I got it right. Okay. I'm going to say, Surrey. It is not sorry. I think it's Jenna Lewis. Jenna Lewis, average placement of five and a half came in third and eighth.

That is correct. She's the only one who doesn't have like kind of an early boot. Yeah, that's the thing about Jenna Lewis. She has no early boots in her survivor career. Well, it's incredible. That's what everybody always says about Jenna Lewis. That's the thing about her. She doesn't have any early boots about general boots.

No, no videos from her. come on. You don't need to go. That that's the thing about Jenna Lewis, McKenzie. I mean, I don't think it was that hard of a question. I think once you have the multiple choice, I think it wasn't that difficult. I mean, Jenna Lewis, five and a half. So coach and Colby, their average is a 6.3.

They actually, I never realized. Oh, was it like, you make it sound like, oh, it was so obvious that Jenna Lewis, her average placement was five and a half and coach's average placement was six point three. A pre-merged, a coach also a pre-merged. He made the jury, but he was pre-merged. Surrey unfortunately has has the early Heroes versus Villains exit but yeah

So what's her at what's her average placement? Jenna's five and a half. Surrey. Oh, Surrey. Surreys I didn't even write down it wasn't. I didn't even do it. I didn't even write it down.

I didn't write it down. I did write that the worst on the season is Stephanie LaGrosse of the two the multiple timers before coming on. She's a she's a 9.3. So coach and Colby the same exact placements on their three seasons, two five and 12. So anyway, McKenzie, you get to steal two points.

You have a 5-0 lead. You are going to win this quiz, I believe. I think that's how this works. Amazing. You get the next category, either Christy or Ozzy. I'm going to go Ozzy. All right, Ozzy. In Micronesia, when Ozzie famously found the idol on exile islands and replaced it with

the effing stick, which player from the fans tribe was exiled with him but was unaware of his idol-related exploits? I'm going to need multiple choice because I have nothing in my brain for this. Right. Was it A, Chet, B, Jason Cicca, C, Kathy Sleckman, D, Tracy, Tracy, U's wolf? I'm going to guess Kathy. Kathy's correct. Kathy's correct.

Kathy is correct. Kathy was there. You get one point for that. You have a 6-0 lead. And Rob, you get the last category. It is Chrissy Hoffbeck. So, McKenzie, you were just hoping to get a point here. I was.

You are the winner. And if McKenzie shuts me out, then we don't have to do the verbal rebus. That's the rule, right? That's the rule. So if McKenzie, McKenzie, no, that's actually not the road. The McKenzie, if she were to get a perfect game, but she can't because she used, she got, went to the multiple choice on the last question. It's not a shot out. It's a perfect game. McKenzie would have the option. McKenzie might be a verbal. You've picked, McKenzie. I mean, I love the banter about the verbal rebis. Probably more than the verbal rebus, because I just can't figure it out. Nobody actually likes it. They just like that I get mad. People.

like the verbal. I mean, Shannon, Shannon Gus likes the verbal Rivas. If there's, if there's one verbal Rivas fan, it's Shannon. So, okay, the Chrissy Hoffbeck question, Rob, at the H-H-H-H-Trib swap, who was the only other hero along with Chrissy to swap to the

new Soco tribe? The only other hero would swap to so I mean, uh, I believe it was Alan Ball. It was not normal. Yeah.

McKenzie, you could steal a point. And I don't get a multiple choice because he didn't have it, right? Exactly. It's for, it's for one. This is for, I mean, you already have the shutout, actually. I have almost zero memories. I watched H.H.H. very quickly. So they might have been on separate tribes at some point, but I'm just going to go

with Ben. It was not Ben. Ashley, right? No, it was J.P. Hills aback. Oh, okay. Very memorable J.P. Hillsabek. So no points on that question. That was, I think, the hardest question on this, on this quiz. And what are you to say in that kind of thing? And things like that.

And things like that. I believe I wrote a with Aaron Robertson of Wondoff. That should be the verbal rebus and things like that. And things like that. Yeah. And, yes, Aaron and I, the, I remember this now. The, the, the Wondoff we wrote was to the tune of the reigns of Castamere from Game of Thrones.

I don't think it was in the top five baby that week. It was, yeah, it was, I'm getting a memory of this. It was, I thought it was pretty good, but I think too niche for the top five. But anyway, no perfect game here on Twitch. McKenzie was close, but we are going to go to the verbal rebus. Christian once thought that Gabby wanted to play in this grain-like beach substance when she actually meant that she wanted to play with him in the game. So that's, that's the first one.

Very important. It's a grain-like beach substance. Yeah, there could be multiple. You never know. Could be seaweed. Could be seaweed. That's not grain-like. It's a beach substance.

That's why we have to say grain-like. It could have been a shell. Well, if I say beach substance, I don't know. It could be a sunscreen. Who knows? I mean, I think that's a memorable enough scene in Survivor history where I could have just said, what did Christian Gat?

What did Gabby one? How descriptive do we need to be? I liked, I enjoyed writing grain-like beach substance. I knew this would come up. Plus, the player whose hacky-sacking on an African reward led to the founding of his soccer-based charity. We're looking for the first letter of his first name. Potentially somebody who's been on R-HAP recently. The, okay, so, okay, plus the last, the last name of 48's first boot, Survivor 48's first boot is her last name,

minus the type of doctor that Peter Baganstos was. So it's two letters. He was a specific type of doctor. He, maybe he should be on the pit. That's your hint. He's that kind of doctor. Plus,

Jeff famously says that blank this game, fire represents life. Blank this game, fire represents life. So McKenzie, we usually go to the guest for the verbal rebus answers. Yeah. What is the grain-like beat?

substance. Sand. It is sand. Good. Good job. The hacky sacker. Good coming up with that one. That was a brain bustling. That was a really tough one. I was worried. Yeah. That was a tough. That I think was tougher than the Jenna Lewis average placement question. And maybe not as tough as the J.P. Hilsopek question. So the, okay, who's the hacky sacker who founded a soccer charity who's been on R.JP recently. First letter, who do we have? Ethan E. So Sandy. E. So San plus E. the last name of 48's first boot. Stephanie Berger. Yep.

So we have Burger. The minus the type of doctor that Peter Baganstos was. What kind of doctor? ER. ER. In ER doc. Aaron and I also wrote a song. I believe we wrote a pre-Wand-off song about Peter Baganstow.

Like we just made a parody song, not even part of the Wand-off. And then plus Jeff famously says that blank this game, Fire represents life. In. In this game, Fire. represents life. So put it all together. McKenzie, who do we have? Sandy Bergen. Yes, Sandy Bergen.

Very, very good. And I'm pissed. And I'm pissed. Yeah, and Rob is pissed, I think. But that's okay. That always happens at least a couple times. So I, you really think that that's not a fair question,

the average placement one? I feel like it's not that like, Jenna, she came, you, you played on the season with her. She came in third. Any question where,

now I got to have like 10 different people and I have to have a calculator. and let me ask you, when you figured out the answer, did you do it in your head or did you have a calculator and add it up everybody? I didn't use a calculator.

I thought about it in my head and I said it's probably, I wasn't 100% short, but I said it's probably Jenna Lewis because she doesn't have like a pre-merge or a pre-jury boot. And she only has two plays. She only played twice.

I worked it out of my head. I didn't do all the math. But I was like, I mean, I knew that her average placement was five and a half and I knew that coach like did I know that Colby came in 12th exactly no but I knew it was around then so like I was like mathematically it has to and I'm not the math expert here but mathematically I think it has to be Jenna Lewis McKenzie what do you want to tell

people about yourself oh I have nothing to plug I'm a lurker but you know I occasionally pop up on the Q&A I'm in chat PCC a little bit you know just all the all the general survivor patron things I'm lurking Okay, well, thanks for participating in all of the things, including Twitch today and all the best to you. And I hope you and your husband have a chance to go visit and see the Zach Brown band sometime soon. Thank you. Jordan, what's coming up for you? I got, well, as always, I have the viewing parties in New York City, St. Pat's. It's been really big this season.

Has the attendance exploded since your, uh, attendance, exploded since your, uh, publicity about the watch parties? So the attendance has exploded, I think, partly because it's season 50. I mean, we had a lot more people for the premiere than we normally have, and that was before the article came out. But the premieres are always a big episode. I've spoken to some people at the bar who did find out about it because of the article. But I mean, it's been growing in popularity for a long time. So I think we've gained people, but not, it's, it was going to be crowded no matter what. So I will, so we do that every week, even when I'm not in attendance. And I won't be

in attendance soon because I'll, in Atlanta with you guys at the Ron Clark Academy. So if you're in Atlanta, say hi. I'm very much looking forward to that. You know, first time I've ever flown for a RHAP live event because it's always, it's always when I have school. And this one is during my spring break, so it worked out. Okay.

All right. Well, we'll see you in Atlanta. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. And of course, if you want to be a part of all of the patron things, head on over to Rob his website. com slash patron like McKenzie did. Thank you so much.

Take care for a day of a good one. Bye.