RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Ep 4 Recap w/ Sam Phalen

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Survivor 50 Ep 4 Recap w/ Sam Phalen Survivor 50 heats up as Rob Cesternino brings in special guest Sam Phalen to recap of Episode 4. This week, the shifting alliances and tangled emotions deliver one of the most complex Tribal Councils yet, as Christian Hubicki faces impossible decisions—and a 3-2-1 blindside shakes the fan-favorite David vs. Goliath alliance. The spotlight falls on Christian’s vote, Emily Flippen’s unpredictability, and a divisive, star-studded reward visit from Zac Brown. Rob and Sam unpack the night’s biggest moves, starting with Christian’s risky pivot that sends Mike White home in a classic Survivor power play. The conversation dives deep on Christian’s relationships with Emily and Ozzy, the reverberations of old school vs. new school dynamics, and the underlying wounds that drive returning players. As the tribe scrambles for new footing, Emily’s loyalty comes into question, Ozzy gets left out of the vote, and Stephenie manages to avoid being the easy target by quietly working her social game. Plus, the return of food rewards and a live Zac Brown concert stirs up strong reactions and emotional moments, both on the island and at home. Christian’s risky 3-2-1 vote and what it means for his threat level going forward Emily’s habit of spilling secrets and whether she’s a liability or a key ally Ozzy’s old school strategy clash with new school unpredictability Stephenie’s subtle social gameplay to avoid becoming consensus boot The Zac Brown reward, Dee’s emotional near-miss, and how special rewards impact Survivor’s social dynamics Can Christian keep maneuvering with the target on his back, or will his epic gameplay make him too big a threat? Will Emily’s shifting loyalties blow up Christian’s spot, or is someone else primed for a blindside? Catch all the drama, strategy, and hot takes—plus the debate on whether Survivor 50 just delivered its greatest reward ever! Tune in for everything you need to know about idol plays, alliances on the edge, and what’s next for these returning Survivor legends. Chapters: 0:00 Intros 6:03 Christian’s Risky Mike White Move 14:00 Mike White Presses Christian’s Blindspot 19:23 Survivor Traumas Influence Decisions 24:30 Christian’s Threat Level Skyrockets 31:08 Mike’s Manipulation Backfires 38:01 Christian’s Real Scar: Mike White 43:21 Emily Flippen’s Loyalty Questioned 47:35 Emily Between Ozzy and Christian 51:07 Stephenie’s Surprising Social Survival 57:17 Emily Faces Next Tribal Council 1:01:19 Zac Brown Reward Debate 1:07:04 Dee’s Emotional Reward Reaction 1:11:10 Aubry Clashes With Genevieve 1:16:04 Genevieve Sends Idol to Rizgod 1:22:22 Charlie Obsesses Over Rizo Vote 1:28:01 Sam’s Survivor Talent Show Choice To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

Hey, everybody, what's going on? Rob Sesterdino, and we're back to talk about Survivor 50 episode 4. Stephen Fishback is traveling. We'll get together with him later on this week for a proper know-it-alls. But we are so thrilled to have such a great fill-in here with me. And as we say in the South in Tennessee, damn, it feels good to be back with Sam Phelan. Sam, do people say that in Tennessee? I didn't know coach was from Tennessee.

I did a research. I paused the episode mid to be like, where since when is coach Wade from the south? Is this stolen valor? Yeah, I think he claims the South. He claims Missouri. He claims California now. Since when?

That was coming for sure. I'm ready to get knee deep into this episode, Rob, because you have the right guy here. I am going to chance. challenge De Viadaris for biggest Zach Brown. Are you? Okay. We will talk about it, but I got a lot of thoughts.

I don't want to yuck anybody's yum. I did not need, I knew Doc Brown. But Zach Brown? No, I never heard of Zach Brown before, but boy, did I get an education about Zach Brown tonight? And I don't think you were alone. I think they brought out Zach Brown and kept showing D over and over and over again, probably because you had a lot of confused faces elsewhere on the mat of Jeff's hyping it up as one of the biggest artists in the country is here.

Is Taylor Swift about to walk out? Are we about like who? Oh, Charlie would have been crashing out. Yeah, like they're trying to wonder who is actually coming through those trees. And then, yeah, I'm not sure a ton of them. Has Camilla seen, she listened to a lot of Zach Brown? Did not see a lot of Camilla reactions to Zach Brown. But who knew Zach Brown had the whole soundtrack to DeViadaris's life was

Zach Brown. Well, and I thought it's certainly better for Zach Brown to walk out of those woods because there was a non-zero chance that Jeff said he pulled like a prison mic and said, one of the biggest artists ever, it's Jeff and them and started like doing another rap. He's her rapping. You never know. Single from Spotify. You know, not for anything, Chase Rice was right there, was right there. It could have brought him back.

But then again, the in the hands of the fans, the all. audience voted and maybe he said no rice the fans voted sorry no rice so no chase rice no sorry for you okay well we'll talk about zach brown and was it the greatest reward in survivor history we'll get into all that but we have so much to talk about on a night when there was an epic vote christian hewbicki pulled off a three to one taking out mike white so there's so much to break down from all of that sam is joining us here and we're keeping the tennessee theme going because tomorrow we're going to have Tina Wesson on the podcast to talk about everything. I bet she is a Zach Brown fan.

Yeah. 100%. Come on. Knoxville, Tennessee, loves Zach Brown. And Sam, I am happy to report. We will have an exit interview with the latest player voted out of the game that Mike White scheduled for an exit interview. Do not mention the emoji movie. I got to get this right.

I got to nail it. I'm going to nail it. I'm not going to say it. sleep tonight. Are you going to be nervous? Yeah. I'll be so nervous. Are you going to be vying for a White Lotus cameo like Ozzy has been? I think the ship has sailed. I think I missed the boat on that. But we'll see. I might be ahead of Christian. We, oh, so although Mike White kind of left to not being not being too sour. No sour grapes. Maybe he didn't know what had hit him just yet. But I was surprised that he was such a good sport walking out of tribal council. Okay. Well, let's talk about this from

every angle because I think that this was such great survivor that we got here in these last 20 minutes of the episode to talk things through. And let's start with talking about Christian's decision after Mike White pulls him aside and says, hey, Mike White's trying to save Angelina. And he goes to Christian. He's okay, I have a plan. I think we need to turn the tables on Emily Flippen. And it all then for Christian. He says, you know what, the move is we have to take out Mike White. Was voting out Mike White the right move for Christian? You know, I have tried to think about this through the perspective of all six of them on this group. And the one person I'm the most confused about is why Christian does this. Not necessarily because he chooses not to vote out, Emily. I certainly think,

Mike does not really even consider a world where Christian is not with him and Angelina. I think he assumes that this David versus Goliath three is going to vote as a three. But here was my question. Why risk not having Stephanie just to pull one over on Mike when you could very easily use Ozzie and take out Angelina? Why was that such a significant difference for Christian, right? Because Ozzy is ready to vote Angelina. Emily's ready to vote Angelina. You're ready to vote Angelina before you change your mind and like flip this on Mike.

But if Stephanie wasn't with Emily and Christian here, Emily goes home in a three to one with Stephanie backing the David versus Goliath people. And now Christian has isolated Ozzy and tried to backstab the people that he thought he was working with. And he's on an island. So I thought it was an interesting, very risky and probably not the call that I would have made. granted, it does work out for him because he does get Mike White out here. So you feel like the right move for Christian is go with Ozzie, Emily, Stephanie, and take out Angelina. Yeah, it just, I have to ask the question, why rock the boat?

Okay. Christian, I think one gets both very fortunate with this split group, this new tribe that he's on, and very not for unfortunate, like very unlucky, fortunate in the sense that he has all the options, right? he's got his real world friend in Emily Flippin there with him, an ally for him to work with. He also has this David versus Goliath three, another relationship that he knows he can use in the game. I think ideally for Christian, though, he'd like to keep all of these options for him, open for him, later in the game. And when you get to this spot where there's these five people, or six people, rather, about to be cut to five, everybody wants to know who is the three that comes

out of this five. I don't think Emily is going to let him push this vote onto Stephanie and save Mike and Angelina because then you're at Christian's beck and call. And I don't think Mike and Angelina are going to be okay with pushing this vote onto Stephanie and really fighting for his buddy Emily here because then they know that he's still in the middle. So he does have to make a choice, but it would have been a lot easier to do Angelina, no? I think that taking out Angelina would be a solid, less risky move for sure because he ends up getting less blood on his hands. I'm trying to process if Mike White would be vindictive towards Christian for breaking up the David versus Goliath 3.

But it seemed like it was already happening at that point. When Ozzy is sitting with Mike White and Christian, Christian says, hey, I'll do whatever you want to do. Then Mike goes back and tells Angelina, they're saying your name along with Christian. And I think if Christian says, hey, you know, I got to stick with the number. numbers. Does Mike White ultimately come for him at the next vote to say that, hey, Christian, you stabbed us in the back? I don't know. Not if he tells Mike. Yeah, I don't think so. My read was that Mike White was open to the idea of voting Angelina if it came to that, right? Like, I don't want to do it.

I'm going to fight for Angelina. But if Christian looks me in the eye and says, Mike, we're doing Angelina tonight, I think Mike would have jumped on board and wouldn't have necessarily had hard feelings for Christians. So there was a world where he could have gotten out rather clean from that vote. And I mean, we have to talk about the Aussie, Mike White thing here too. Sure. We're going to talk about all of it. I mean, I was so confused by this from Ozzy. I just, why does he have this idea that he has to be Mike White's number one? Why does he believe that voting out Angelina is going to make him automatically the one person that Mike White turns to rather than Christian, who you would think is closer to Mike White than Ozzy is at this point

in the game. I just, I didn't understand why Ozzy was basing his decision making. And he certainly seems to have at least some social sway with Emily for sure. He's doing a decent job of making friends. But why, why is he all in on? I have to, everybody knows, me and Mike White, we're two peas in a pod. We've got to make sure that we're close to one another. Well, it definitely seems like that there is some preexisting relationship. Mike White talked about it last week, that they are friendly from the before the game started. So who knows if there's some sort of like working relationship coming into the game. But Ozzy feels like if I can remove Angelina from the equation, then Mike White will have no other choice but to work with me.

In Survivor, if you take out a person's number one ally, does that person automatically get closer to you? because I think that you need to be a little bit more subtle about it than to say, hey, I'm the person taking out your ally. Then you'll have no choice. He didn't say the second part out loud. But the implication was that I will go and then, you know, you'll have no other choice and you'll work with me because I'm the only other person you know. Yeah, Oz he's going to, what, drive a vote against Angelina and then think that Mike is going to be like, you know what, Oz, that's okay. You and me are but like he might feel some type of way, especially if you leave him out of. that vote.

And be hesitant to jumping into bed with you and being all like, you know, number ones all of a sudden. I didn't understand the logic from, from Ozzy at the beginning of this episode for that reason. I do think that this is Ozzie's version of, hey, I'm going to play strategically. This is what I'm going to do. And I'm making this chess move. And if I take Mike's number one off the board, he'll have no choice.

But to be the number one, I think you can't show Mike that that is what you're doing. but I did think that he was strategically spent the day going back to being the old Ozzy where then after he said, okay, this is what I'm doing. He removed himself from the situation. I think, and it was intentional that he spent the whole day fishing when he has not been doing that for the whole first nine days of the season. And that right there is a big difference between old survivor and new survivor, right? like Ozzy talked about pace.

I think we've heard a couple people talk about pace of play with this, this new, you know, 26 day format. But really in New Survivor, it is like relentless. And Jeff kind of alludes to it at tribal council as well of how many times do you change your mind in this, in one afternoon as plans are unfolding? And I think one thing for Ozzie here, and the reason why he's ultimately left out of this vote is he doesn't put his tentacles in this vote. You know, he doesn't go and follow up and have conversations with Mike White and have

because maybe Mike tells him what's going on if he has an extra conversation here or there and tries to be in the mix. But it feels like he decided what was best for his game and what he needed to do, which he thought had strategic merit to it. And then as you said, backed off. And meanwhile, three different plans happened right under Ozzy's nose and he wasn't able to have a say in any of them. And I have to wonder if he is in these conversations.

How different, like, can he do it differently? Can Ozzy change the outcome of this if he has a say and what's going on? Well, it looks like that next week we're going to get back to old South Pacific free agent Ozzy where he's going to go nuts after the vote and be very upset for not being included, which is classic Ozzy. But I thought it was so interesting when he came back and Emily Flippin started spilling the beans again about, hey, just so you know, Mike White's trying to vote me out. And then he's like, what?

And then very quickly then they'd say like, but how's your restaurant? Is that? And he went right? Oh, it's good. Good. Like, wait, what was the first thing you said? Emily should have kept going. I thought it would have been way better for Emily's game.

Bad for Christians game maybe, but way better for Emily's game to loop in Ozzie, both from a fallout perspective, right, with what happens next week. And with just the insurance. policy of, like I said, you are one Stephanie Lagrosa away from being out of the game, if you are Emily in this spot. And bringing in Ozzy, who you feel like you have some rapport in chemistry with at this point, felt like it made sense for her, even if it was like Christian's worst nightmare. I want to go back to Mike and Christian because this was just so interesting. And again, so layered with all of the David versus Goliath stuff. First,

I just want to say, masterful job from Christian pulling off a three to one. that we're seeing Survivor being played at its highest levels where Christian very quickly is able to execute the classic Surrey Fields 3-1 in this episode to get out Mike White. So that was really a joy to watch. I do want to talk about Mike's strategy and invoking that Christian has a blind spot. And he says to Christian, hey, I think that there's something you're missing. And I think that Emily could be like your Gabby in David versus Goliath. And of course, you remember that Gabby was a blind spot for you and that Gabby betrayed you and tried to get you voted out in David versus Goliath.

And this really hurt Christian. And it was so well done in the episode that we see Christian. And he becomes emotional about how much that was hurtful for Christian to have Gabby, turn on him. But he does not turn against Emily Flippin. This gets him to turn on Mike. Yeah. I think that this was a, I loved this whole sequence. I'm sure we will end up talking about Charlie later on as well. But it's, it's all in the same air, right? It's all the same vibe. And I think this is what's really fun about a returning player season is like this one, especially with some people like Christian, who we haven't seen in a bit since season 37,

because I think everybody comes back with positive and negative traumas. And they have these vivid memory, right? Like, you come away from the game generally with one thing. I think there's one thing that sticks with you as every player. And if you're Q or TIF, maybe it's, damn, I should have played that idol. If you're Charlie, it's, I can't believe Maria cost me a million bucks. And if you're Christian, maybe it is, wow, my number one ally Gabby, who I thought we were going to the end with, she really hurt me. And yes, I survived and at lasted one tribal council longer, but I ended up getting voted out anyways.

And that really sucked. And I think that what Mike is doing is very smart, is trying to figure out what that weakness, what that tender, is for everybody that will force them to play the game differently. How do I get you to do things differently from the first time around by channeling those memories and traumas from that first time? But what he learned here is that people respond very different to those things. Somebody like Charlie, who will circle up on it again, right, is actively fighting against the demon that he is yet to exercise in terms of his number one ally not voting

for him at the end. I think Christian is a very logical thinker. I don't think he makes decisions based off of emotion. And so while he's able to have this emotional moment talking to the camera and it does hurt him, I think it starts getting the wheels spinning as well of realizing that in a game of manipulation, he's dealing with somebody who is able to get this kind of emotional rise out of him. And Christian sees that as threatening, not as an alarm for why he needs to take out Emily.

And so it was good by Mike. I don't have any issues with Mike like doing this. And in turn, it's also very wise of Christian to be able to recognize that what happened in season 37 happened in season 37. And it can't cloud your decision making right now and ultimately kill a messenger that he thought was dangerous to his game. This has been my favorite thing about season 50. And we've seen it come up in Joe and

Rick Devin's and Chrissy and Charlie and all of the players come back with these wounds. And I really wish that this could have been like part of the theme of the season. In the hands of the fans is fine. But I wonder if there was something like survivor scar tissue or something that this is really about these people coming back. Even the winners coming back with that they all have something that bothered them about their last experience. and that I'm not going to let that happen to me again.

And Mike White is so intelligent in such a smart game player. And he felt like, okay, I've got this thumb screw on Christian because he can say to him like, hey, I was there. I can tell. Like, Christian, don't let it happen to you. I know how much that bothered you. I tried to tell you then and you didn't listen and I could see it now and you can't see it. And it's really, Emily, I think she could be the new Gabby. and when Christian said to Mike White,

thank you, Mike, I knew it in his voice because I know Christian, I'm like, Christian is not in on this. And I think that for Christian, the scar tissue, and we saw him upset about Gabby, and that did hurt. But the betrayal or the thing that Christian felt like

was the open wound, in my estimation, was not that Gabby betrayed him. It was that he missed that Mike White. was the one who ultimately turned people against him. And when he picked up on what Mike was doing, wow, he's so good. I think that for Christian, the reflex wasn't like, oh, I can't get Gabbyed again. It's that I can't get Mike White again by Mike White.

Yeah. Yeah, it is, you know, I think that you are going to see two different things and then probably, you know, a smaller threat of a third. there's going to be a big group of people that overcorrect from all of that scar tissue. There's going to be other people that, you know, succumb to their flaws in spite of themselves. Like, a tiger can't change its stripes and there are going to be people, it doesn't matter how many times you throw K-Burdadat out there. He's probably going to tell someone to vote for him. He's just going to do it.

It's part, it's in his DNA. And for, like, Coach Wade is going to rub people the wrong, with his honor and integrity as he plays a, you know, a sneaky cutthroat game. Ozzie, we've seen it. Like, he's going to get his feelings hurt and take it personally. It is in these people's DNA. But I do think that there will be people that manage to tow that line and find the balance of correctly identifying where they went wrong.

Because this is the other thing, Rob. A lot of people leave the game with one takeaway, one reason why they lost. The only thing that kept them from a million dollars, most of those people, don't actually get it right. They don't get why they lost. They don't understand what was wrong the first time. And I think Christian is one person right now up to this point who I think he's done a pretty good job of, you know, seeing those mistakes, trying to fight against those mistakes, but not overcorrecting too much that he puts himself into a bad spot either. And I'm just, I'm fascinated with the entire cast as I look down this list and all the people and all the

storylines that you mentioned that are still open-ended at seeing how these people either settle into a comfortable spot or how they go too far and get themselves voted out because of it. Sam, do you feel like that you have identified the thing that prevented you from winning Survivor 47? I do. I think, I think, I'm not going to share it on the podcast, though. that that that that's for my secret journal i got like you got to keep some things close to the best rob i'm not going to tell everybody what i would do differently if i ever got to play again um but i do think that for a while i thought there was a reason why i lost and i think that i was wrong a lot of the time and i think that you do have to like try to zoom out get as many objective perspectives

as possible instead of telling the story through your own eyes and um you know there's like the version of events that you wish were true, which was like, oh, I was this close. And if only I switched this one little thing, everything goes differently and that that's probably not reality. And so I think that you are seeing with some of these other, like, I don't know, like you could just do it with anybody on this list. And like you said, even the winners, even the winners have part of their story that makes them not satisfied, that they're not happy with, that they want to show something different. Savannah felt like she needed to show more vulnerability and then was very vulnerable with a group of people that didn't care to get to

know her and voted her out right away. And I mean, Kyle, unfortunately, for him to go out seemed to be in a very good spot. But I mean, he sat here on an exit interview with you and talked about, you know, he had a chip on his shoulder from what is, I think, one of the most dominant wins we've ever seen. And yet Kyle still feels like he has something more to prove. And don't even get me started about how I'm going to play the traders next time because I got it all figured out. you're going to join that conga line next time. Yeah, but I think for Christian, I think he has a lot of complicated feelings about Mike White.

I think he enjoys Mike White very personally. But even going back to his preseason interviews, he talked about how Mike White was the master of spinning the narrative. And he wanted to borrow that. And I think that Mike White was somebody that he was wary of coming into season 50. And I think that this David versus Goliath alliance, was very tenuous at best. It's always a dangerous, just situation to be in,

to be in a threesome like this, where you're very clearly the third. And I don't think there's any doubt in Christian's mind or people are not hiding it whatsoever. That Mike will choose Angelina and Angelina will choose Mike over Christian any time. So it's a big ask to ask a guy like this to ride or die with you when somebody like Emily,

he has a relationship with coming into the game. He's been playing the game with up to this point. And, you know, has Emily been the best ally to him? No, but I think, you know, he does have trust that she doesn't fully want him out, that she does have his best interest at heart. That's a hard thing to turn away from with two people that you know are always going to choose each other over you because I don't, if I look at Emily right now as Christian, who's Emily choosing over you?

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beautifully designed move to take out Mike. There is, I think, a desire for, wow, this is something. Yeah, is that what we think this comes down to ultimately of like, like we said, bringing in Ozzy's a lot cleaner, Angelina might be a lot cleaner and easier. Is there a level of showman to Christian Hubicki? I think absolutely. I think that you don't wait seven years to go back on Survivor not to do a three to one move. but I do think it's worth asking the question of that long-term, was this the right move?

Yes, right. And so that is where I think I have, I loved watching it for this sake of this episode. I'm worried about what this does to Christian long-term. Because like you said, Rob, a lot of times there is that big, flashy TV gold move. And it's not great for the longevity of your game. and on, you know, that's like the balance I think a lot of players deal with is I can do the big fun stuff that's going to be awesome to watch back or I can kind of do the quiet or safer thing, which might give me more longevity in the game, but, you know, I'm not also, I'm also not making my mark. Where I worry about Christian here is we've already seen that Emily, even if it's not her intention, has made some errors that are not in Christian's best interest and might not serve Christian best moving forward. Ozzie is somebody, who I certainly think is P.O. at Christian at this point,

Angelina certainly is not going to be happy with him. I think Stephanie will go wherever the wind blows, given where she's at in the game. So I have a hard time seeing where the real group of support for Christian is and not for nothing. This is three votes now that we've seen in Survivor 50. Christian Ubicki has kind of dictated all three of them. He's kind of run all three of them.

And the one issue with Christian's game and David versus Gleit that I do think is repeating itself here on Survivor 50 is that he's the biggest threat out there. And I think everybody is starting to know it and recognize it. And so he either needs to very quickly get under the surface, find a way to hide behind other people, or he's going to have to find an army and find a group, a bigger group of people at a later time who are going to be willing to ride for him. I do fear that Christian has gotten away from himself a little bit because this season started and Christian was really very into the idea of, hey, we want a clean vote. We're going to vote out, Jenna Lewis tonight. We're going to vote out Savannah tonight. Yeah. That's a clean vote.

Even Q, the vote against him ends up being a somewhat clean boat where Stephanie is the only person who comes back. Like certain undergarments, a couple weeks ago, this was anything but a clean vote. that happened tonight. Yeah, that's actually a great point because Christian did really hang his hat on that early on. And that goes back to the TV versus, you know, gameplay kind of thing. Nobody likes a unanimous vote. We all know it's boring TV. But if you can kind of hang out and preserve your options and keep people happy for as long as possible,

that's the smart thing to do. And he had another opportunity to do that here where he could have taken out a player kept as many people as happy as possible, preserved some alliances. And for whatever reason, maybe it's just the Mike White of it all. Maybe that, like, maybe it's, he, Mike White really pinched a nerve with the Gabby mentioned. But Christian feels compelled to abandon that strategy here and take out Mike White. And that will either go really well for him, having this guy out of the game,

and it will open up a lot of other avenues for Christian to play. or it will be something that makes it hard for him to build bridges with other players. I want to go back to the Mike conversation with Christian because Mike was self-described as I'm playing this very Machiavellian game where I'm going to try to manipulate Christian into doing what I want and tries to open up this emotional wound. I think that where, and Mike had the right idea, but I think that where Mike went a step too far, We saw Surrey, who is maybe the master at this. Back a couple of episodes ago, we saw her lead people to be doing what she wanted,

which was not voting Ozzy out and voting out Savannah. She didn't take them all the way there. Yeah. She brought people close enough so that they jumped to the conclusion themselves. That it wasn't that she necessarily said, okay, well, this is why we have to. to vote out Savannah. She said, okay, well, here are the pros and cons of all of these things.

And so, you know, the thing about Ozzy, he stanks at the game. The thing about Savannah is she does have a, she does have something in her pocket. And, you know, what do you think about that? Where I think that ideally, and it's easier said than done when you're watching the show

and hosting a podcast and when you're out on the island, is that if you could lead, Christian to where he starts to like, oh, you know, I did, I did have that blind spot with Gabby. And that could be a little bit like that. But when Mike takes him all the way there and says, hey, Christian, remember you didn't see it with, with, with, and I'm just as your friend, I'm worried you're going to do that again. I think we all have a little John Locke in us sometimes where it's like, don't tell me what I can't do. Mike White?

Yeah, I love that. right it is it is like you got to take them right up to the water and then you got to just like let them believe it's their own premonition what if what if we did get rid of emily yeah what if i what if i drank this water right now what if i just what if i did that that would be crazy for me to do right we're here we're thirsty what do you think we should do right so like maybe that conversation goes yeah you know christian i don't know what it is with like you and emily but you really seem to have an affinity for her. And I don't know.

I just, I can't help but wonder is that like, is there something that I'm not seeing, that you're not seeing? Like, there's just something about Emily. I don't trust Emily. So I trust you to make your own decision and read her out.

I just something about it makes me nervous. Maybe that is what gets Christian to start thinking. He starts to see the dots. Yeah, she gives me like a Gabby vibe. That might be a little bit too much. But is that like, and you know how you screwed up with Gabby last time. Remember,

I don't want to see that happen with you. Yeah, I think that you're absolutely onto something. And it also comes back to one of the, I think, really formative strategies for people before they go play Survivor is study the Enneagram. Oh, okay. I didn't know that this was your jam. You know, by proxy, my wife loves the anagram. I listen to her talk about it a lot. I actually did do research on the Enigram before I went and played because the enneagram is a personality test.

but it really is supposed to assess core motivation of people. That is what it is getting at. Right, at your core, what is your fear and what motivates you? And I think if you can understand what motivates people, you can understand how to cater to them, to be this Machiavelli and Puppet Master that Mike White talks about being here, is if you know what makes Christian tick, if you know why he's out there,

you know how to talk to him in a way that will have your solution to the problem do that for them. And so when you start to figure out, yes, there are these traumas at play. You can play to the pathos of these people's past experience in the game of Survivor. Charlie and Christian react very different to these things. Why? Well, I don't know what types they are, but I would go to say they're probably very different types on the Enneagram with very different personalities who have different motivations for the second time playing the game. And so that might be something that, you know, you really got to dive into and try to understand about the people that you're playing with in order to make sure that you're not doing what Mike does here,

which is go just, just a tear too far. And that triggers this Christian response that comes back on you. So in the case of Mike and Christian, certainly that these two men have known each other for many years and know each other well, I think that there's a little bit of a risk in terms of trying to get a real scouting report on people. And, you know, I do do this on the podcast. I don't want to be hypocritical. But I think that when you are going off of what you've seen off people on television, and I think that's where Rizzo has run into some problems this season

where he does not know these people in person only from what he's seen on television. And so if you feel like you know a person because you've watched them on television, Sometimes the person on television is wearing a mask, that this is who they are on television, but then the actual persona is different. So you can get yourself in a little bit of trouble by doing too much psycho. Myself, I ran into this in Survivor All-Stars where I feel like, hey, nobody knows these people better than me. I've watched more Survivor than anybody. So it is a little bit of a risky game in terms of from afar trying to.

to analyze these people, but certainly an eagram, good tool to use once you actually have the correct read. Correct. Yeah, you have to be able to like know people and talk to people to be able to like do it accurately. And I'll ask you this. I don't mean to put you on the spot, but you know, Christian. Yeah. From what you know about Christian, do you think his response to Mike White's I don't want to say accusation, but plea to him, right? Don't fall for the Gabby again. Trying to play to that pathos of his David versus Goliath game. Is that something that you think would work for Christian?

Is Christian somebody who would respond to that, like, negative emotion that he feels about the whole Gabby experience the first time? Which, by the way, like, I mean, I know Christian and Gabby are friends now. So I don't know how much of like a real bad negative wound it is for him. unlike a Maria and Charlie situation where he says, no, we don't talk. It's not, you know. But what is your read on Christian and, you know, how he makes his decisions or how he would generally respond to something like that? And are you surprised by how he handled that in the game?

So I think that for Mike, I think it was a misfire where I think that Christian is going to respond more effectively to an argument that is rooted in logic of, here's why we need to make the best move, because then this will put us in this position and we'll have this great strategic advantage. Mike comes to Christian with a great argument that might work on many other players, but an argument based in emotion, and Christian is an emotional person, I don't think was the right lever to pull with Christian. And I think that in doing so, what ultimately that emotional manipulation didn't get the desired result of that Christian is going to turn on Emily, it made Christian feel like, wow, Mike is so good at this.

Mike is the most dangerous. He called him the most dangerous person on the island and the most dangerous person on any island. That's all it covers a lot of ground. There's a lot of islands going on. There's a lot of islands. Yeah. A lot of dangerous people on some. of these islands from what I've read.

And that Mike White, the most dangerous person. So I think in Christian's mind, there's an argument to be made of anytime I could take out the biggest threat in the game, it's always going to be a good move. And so I think that that's what Christian is thinking of that this is a little bit of my great white whale. Mike White took me out last time. I'm not going to get beat by Mike White a second. time. We heard this in Emily Flippin's exit or preseason interviews. She said, how bad would I look

if I lost to D a second time? And I do think that that is something that's on the mind of a returning player where it's like, okay, and I felt like that in Survivor All-Stars when I came back with Jenna Maraska. It's like, okay, well, I'm going to beat her this time. You know, this time. That last time was her time. This time, I'm going to go further. And so it is complicated with these players who ended up going and playing in multiple seasons with the same players? I think there is a big difference that, you know, is worth clarifying that we see here with Christian. And there's a difference between being vulnerable with your emotions and in tune with your emotions and not afraid of your emotions and making decisions based on your emotions.

And Christian, you know, my read on Christian is that Christian's an emotional guy in the sense that he's not afraid to show emotion. He's not afraid to romanticize survival. and this experience that he's getting and the ways that he's impressing himself or bad memories that he has. But I think it would really take a lot. And as far as what I know and what I've seen from Christian, he does not make his decisions in the game based off of those emotions that he's feeling.

And I think Mike was banking on him to base his decision off of that negative feeling he feels about Gabby and his past experience. And Christian doesn't do that. He is open with the emotions, doesn't shy away from it, and then is able to turn his logic brain on, figure out where this emotion is being manipulated and strike. And for Mike, I think that it was a little bit of a misfire because ultimately that Christian didn't lose David versus Goliath because Gapie got him. Gabby, Gabby tried to get Christian. And it didn't work. Yeah.

They sniffed out. that it was the next vote. Mike White was the one who took out Christian. So if Christian does have a scar, it's from, I missed what Mike did to me. The subtle manipulation that Mike pulled on me last time, here he is now doing it to me. And so I think that that was the reflexive hot stove of like, oh, I can't believe it. Now, it's happening to me now. Yeah.

And, you know, Christian saw Mike White go to bat for Angelina over and over again on David versus Goliath and go to the end with her. And as Mike says in his confessional, I don't know why my purpose on this earth is just like trying to save Angelina all the time. But here he is again. And that goes back to, hey, if they've got Steph voting with them and Christians with them, and now you're at five, maybe it's Mike Angelina. and they just pick up Steph and they can do whatever they want with Christian.

And you're taking the power out of your own hands. It was the right idea. And I thought it was really well done by Mike. But in this specific instance, it's just a slight misfire. And in many instances, he simply doesn't get his way. And Angelina goes home. And it's a lesson learned for Mike that he can improve on the next day. But this certainly seems to be one of those perfect storms,

against Mike White that lead to a three to one untimely exit. And we haven't said this yet on the podcast, but I think it's worth saying that very sad to lose Mike White here. It was so exciting that he decided to come back and do this. And, you know, what might have been, you know, had he gone on a long run, but it was certainly fun to have him back. And it is a loss for the season to lose Mike White.

Oh, 100%. I loved Mike White on Survivor 50 in the four episodes that we got him. Like, it didn't feel like we had a ton of him all the time. He had a good episode last week. He got the fishy. Yeah, he has this way of, he's very unique in this way. He's a narrator, a natural narrator and storyteller. But he doesn't feel like it, if that makes sense.

You know, when, like when I watched the premiere of season 47 and I listened to John love it talk to the camera. I was like, yep, this is it like he's going to be a poet in his confessional and he's going to tell the story only like he can. Mike feels very raw and very just like himself. And yet it's also this wonderful story that he's telling at the same time. It's very unique. You don't see players like him come around very often with that kind of cadence in front of the camera. And I think it is a big miss for the season because he brings this beautiful, like love for the game absolutely does not need the money. He's there for the experience and for the fun.

And, you know, that brings a level of chaos to the island that I think is really fun for the gameplay as well. So disappointed we didn't get a longer run from Mike. So we've talked about why Christian ultimately wants to turn against Mike White. But I think it's worth discussing of was it worth it for Christian to save Emily Flippen? And we know that Christian and Emily have this alliance going back to the early days on Sela. But then things got screwed up last week when he tries to tell her about the idol that he sent to Aubrey. And then she blabbed to everybody. But Christian gives her a second chance only to have Emily very quickly after the links that Christian goes to.

He says, don't tell Ozzy. And Ozzy comes back. And then she immediately blurts to Ozzy about. Mike White's trying to vote me out. Yep. This is, I've played games with Emily flipping before. I think that this is something that she will fall into and will do, which is she's in self-pres mode. And when Emily's in self-pres mode like this, things are going to come out that she doesn't even necessarily mean to like, it's missing a step of communication, right?

And that was the case last week with the idol is the logical move would have been get on the beach. reach, pull Christian aside and go, what the hell was that that you just whispered to me about Aubrey at the challenge? Can you tell me what's going on here, man? And Emily doesn't do that. She goes right to the extreme of, I need to do damage control here. And she tells everybody what's going on. And then this is kind of another instance where it does make sense to me that Emily wants Ozzie looped in on this vote. That is best for Emily, 100% right read, right decision. I think there needs to be a conversation there, if you are, Emily, where you say, Christian, why are we voting for Mike and leaving Ozzy out of the vote when we can vote out Angelina and loop Ozzie in or just bring Ozzie in with us against Mike?

I know he loves Mike. I know he wants to be on the White Lotus. What's he going to do? We've got you, me and Stephanie. What's Ozzy going to do? At least we're not burning him at this point. But that conversation never happens. And then I think Emily disperses from Christian, the wheel start going.

things start coming out that are fine for her, very bad for Christian. So is it worth it for him to keep Emily? It's hard to say because on the screen, no, no, it's not. Emily's not a good ally for Christian. She's, you know, accidentally throwing him under the bus and he knows this. But I don't know what his sense of loyalty to Emily is from outside of the game, how much they are coming in with like,

how much does their relationship cloud what he's wanting to do? And that's what I can't make out. Yeah, Sam, I didn't even know what Emily was going to say at tribal council. When Emily started talking about how she has a sinking feeling at tribal council and they started asking her about what was going on, I kind of thought she was going to give away the whole plan at tribal council. And you just don't know what Emily is going to do. But I believe that Christian may regret saving.

Emily flipping because when Ozzie came back up on the beach, Emily was dying to tell Ozzy what was going on. I think that Emily might look at Ozzie as a closer ally and more of her number one than she does about Christian. And I'll tell you what, next week when they come back from tribal council that the first thing that's going to happen on the beach is Emily's going to pull Ozzie aside and say, Ozzie, it was all Christian. and she's going to throw him right under the bus. And Mike White is gone and out of the game. But I do think that Mike White may have been right to say to Christian,

Emily is going to ruin your game. Wow. Yeah, I don't hate that because I do think, like, Emily has the power to do that. I think people are looking for any kind of reason to really kind of rally against Christian here. She's got all of this ammunition that she could point. against him. I think she is closer to Ozzie than Christian is to Ozzie, certainly.

I think Emily has a pretty good shot at getting Angelina. I mean, Angelina is going to be pissed at Christian. And we saw last week this scene between Emily and Angelina where Emily tells Angelina, hey, they were talking about voting you out. And Angelina feels very indebted for this. I think that she does have a lot of power over Christian. Now, I would not be surprised if, you know, everything hits the fan and she needs to protect herself by any means necessary, if it is rallying people against ubiquity here. Yeah. When Ozzy is pissed and Angelina is pissed and they say, hey, we have a five-person tribe now

and we need to vote out Christian, do you think Emily is going to go out of her way to save Christian? Probably not. Probably not. Look, I, and this is the other argument that you could make for why it was a big. bad move to to protect Emily is, I talked about Christian's threat level, which I think is sky high and is inevitably going to be sky high. I think you need people like Mike White in the game for that very reason. Yes, it maybe is scary that him and Angelina are more loyal to each other than they are to you. I would be surprised if there's a ton of people in this game that would want to take out an Emily before they take out a Christian knowing what has gone down so far.

even when we saw Christian working very closely with Rick Devons. I think both of them are narrators and performers and can be goofballs in their own right. But I think Christian is going to be the first person on people's list when they look at that group that they would want to take out. And I don't know if that's the case, if it's him and Mike White and Angelina. I think Mike being who he is and being of the stature and status that he is and his abs, of course. I think that might be a good distraction. Like the Ceres, the Mike Whites, the those folks, the winners like a D, those are the people that I think Christian needs in the game.

I think that this is also a very complicated dynamic between Christian and Emily, where that I think that Emily feels a loyalty to Ozzy, that she does not want to disappoint Ozzie and doesn't want to let him down, that she has... We've come so far. And she did want to vote him out earlier in the game. But then they made this pact where, okay, we're going to vote out Q first and then Angelina.

And she's like, I can't go back on my word to Ozzy. I have to stay good with Ozzy. But you know what? Christian, she betrayed him last week. And Christian said, Emily, it's okay. And he hugged her and brought her back in. And now there's this relationship between them where she's like, Oh, okay. Well, I could screw Christian over and he's going to take me back.

Going to keep bringing me back in. Yeah. Now, I, like, I kind of have like some freedom of that he let me do it once. So I'll just go back and they're like, Christian, I'm sorry. Yeah. Screwed up. And he's and he'll work with me again. So you kind of have no fury like Ozzy when he's scorned. Like, but I can't piss off Ozzy. And we've seen it though. Like this is part of what you say, what you know about these people

from what you see on TV, is that a factor here where Ozzy is a grudge holder? He's been a grudge holder since Micronesia. He's been a grudge holder since South Pacific. He's still pissed at coach for stealing the damn key. This is what Ozzy does. I think Emily is aware of the fact of if I go back on my word to Ozzy on this deal that we made, I'm toast versus Christian. You can kind of be like, we're friends, we're buddies. Remember me? We were going to play together earlier. and it's worked thus far. Christian can't quit it. When West Jet first took flight in 1996,

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Or is it that she is such a lack of a threat that people are like, well, why waste the vote on Stephanie? How has Stephanie, who would have been the easiest consensus vote out of anybody? She has nobody from her original tribe still there. What is she doing? How is she doing this? I do think I'm going to give Stephanie credit for her social game here because if you do want to come with the idea of like, well, is she that much of a nothing threat? Mike, I would say why? Like, why at this stage would be people be like, oh, Stephanie's such a

nothing. We don't even need to bother to take her out when Angelina, who Mike White's walking around campaigning saying she's not a threat, she's not a threat, she's not a threat. People still want to take Angelina out. Like at this stage in the game, you want to do what you can to make the next stage in the game. I think it's really early. People are fine with a consensus vote. And I did put down in my notes that I thought it was a very veteran performance by a lot of the people in this tribe after that Q vote by Stephanie by like, hey, Angelina, I voted for you. That's on me. My bad, but we're a team.

Let's be together. Hey, no hard feelings, anyone. Ozzy, I'm still with you. Let's work together. Old school. You and me, remember, man? She does a nice job of this. I think where they came away from that evening, Stephanie was the easiest next in line.

and by the time they woke up the next morning, nobody's thinking about her. They're all thinking about, hey, how can I use Stephanie? And if you are seemingly very open and willing to work with people after you get left out of a vote, this is a world where now they start to think about what adding plus one to their alliance could do for their ability with the numbers. She was Q's ally. She's left out of the last vote. I do think that there is something to the old school players.

who seem like that they don't have a ton going on, they're not playing every single angle. A ton of people wanted to work with Jenna Lewis before the game started. And it was only after Jenna Lewis came out of the gate hot that people were like, oh, okay, she's got to go. Where Stephanie is not leading any votes, that there's nothing.

And this is, I mean this in terms of, in a complimentary way, she has a, whether it's a good read of the game or that the game is at moving at her speed. I think that the players that are playing fast are the players that are making themselves a bigger target in the eyes of the other players. Yeah, she certainly seems to adopt what I think for somebody like, yeah,

somebody like Stephanie, I think this is the exact right strategy for her at this stage in the game is be good in these challenges, be positive around camp, don't make anybody upset, and go with where the numbers go. there will come a time in place if you can get deep into this game to start figuring out who your people are. And then if you want to get a group together where it's you and it's Colby and it's coach and it's it's people that you've played with and have some sort of history with or she reunites with with Genevieve and and you know, she starts to get her people back. Okay. Now you're all

of a sudden like you got something going on. This is a 24 person season. You don't want to give people reasons to vote you out if you are Stephanie. And she's not. And it's making a or survive. It's a little bit of a squid game this season of Survivor because it's the type of thing where in the Squid game, you do anything to stand out. It's like, okay, you're going home. You're a target now. I think the best strategy in a game with so many players is kind of like, I'm going to try to keep a low profile and stay out of the crossfire as much as possible. Yeah. And I've been impressed with, and like, this is classic Stephanie, though. Like, I've been impressed in a little bit surprised. I think a lot of people maybe are surprised

that how well Stephanie's playing the social game up to this point. But I mean, this is the woman that made it through an entire tribe of having to vote people out over and over and over and over again, got to the merge and somebody quit the game just so Stephanie could stay a little bit longer because she made herself so likable

to everybody else out there. So she's very good at this. And I think that she's doing very well for herself. Okay. To this point. So Stephanie is staying in there. I I think that for Mike, I think it ended up backfiring a little bit the events of the last episode because it's interesting that Stephanie went along with the vote to take out Mike White.

It seems like that she also had a decent relationship with Angelina, even though that maybe they weren't on the best footing coming into the game. When Mike goes to Stephanie, I'm sorry, Christian goes to Stephanie first and says, hey, I want to vote out Mike. And he explains the whole vote to her. she doesn't end up going and blabbing this to anybody. I think part of the reason why she's very open to the idea of voting out Mike White. Don't forget on the last vote.

Remember, Mike White, as part of his ruse, went to Stephanie and said, hey, Stephanie, I'm voting for you tonight. And so I think that Stephanie probably felt some type of way about Mike White. Yes, she stayed, but I bet she did not love Mike White after he announced to the group that he was going to be leading the vote for Stephanie. Yeah, and this is Stephanie also adopting a little bit of Sandra here, a little anybody but me, know where your bread's buttered and know that, hey, Q just went home. I'm clear next to go. This was payback for Q. I will go anywhere that I have to go and you're giving me an opportunity to vote out,

Mike, who lied to us last time. Yeah, sure, I'm good with it. I did love, I wanted to talk about this, Christian talking to Stephanie. because I couldn't help but feel like Christian was so used to playing with Rick Devons. He did the performative, like, I say perform. It was the, hey, what if I told you that there's a way we can take out Mike White tonight? She's not even responding. She's looking straight at the ground.

Wait. How? Christian's waiting for the, what? Oh, I love that idea. Tell me, tell me, tell me. He doesn't get it. She's just like, okay, are you going to tell me? me what it is?

Like, what do I need to vote, Mike? Okay. Yeah. I didn't know that it was going to be a test. It felt like it was very anti-climacting from Christian, like, this little like back and forth that he and Rick seemed to have for the first seven days or whatever. And then he gets with Stephanie, who's like, dude, just tell me who's name to put that. I don't need a speech.

This is shaping up as a very interesting vote for this group of five coming up now where I think in Christian's mind, great. It's me and Stephanie and Emily. we have our three, and then there's Ozzie and Angelina who got left out of this vote. I'm sure that's how Christian sees it, but I think that Emily Flippen probably sees it as, oh, this is the classic Emily Flippin. There's the swing vote here in a group of five. And I think that all eyes will be on Emily Flippin next week.

Will she be more loyal? This is a little bit of a survivor love triangle, a platonic love triangle, just to be clear, between Emily, Ozzie, and Christian. Yeah. Who will Emily pick? Emily's choice. And I think we are getting this group back at tribal council because from the previews,

two groups are going to go to tribal council. And do you think this group regretted voting out Q? Yes. You know what? And this was obviously a misfire that they needed Q desperately. Q not having a vote, though, and the David versus Goliath three

was such a quagmire in terms of how do you do it. Christian would have had to flip against the David versus Goliath three on that first vote and go with Emily and Ozzy and Q to vote out Angelina

there in that spot. Hindsight's 2020, obviously, that you do that. Maybe this challenge is different where Ozzy is like the only muscle in a super physical challenge, but the bad back. What are you going to do? Yeah, I've done this challenge, or at least something like it, pushing the boat up the beach with the net. It sucks so bad. Is this when Andy had the meltdown on the mat? So yeah, Andy was struggling a lot. He, yeah, he fainted, had his had his moment after the

challenge. I mean, not really that. They combined that with the block challenge also, which was another, like that it was a miracle that they even finish that in Survivor 46. Well, and I'm watching this group trying to push it. And it's like they've got Joe and who's over there. Joe and Colby are pushing together on one team. The other group has Jonathan. Yeah. And I'm just like, you know, poor Ozzy.

He's sitting there doing it all by himself. And ripped Mike White. Yeah, one of the. Yeah, true. But, you know, he's got abs. Abs aren't good for push. All right. He could have crunched the boat forward.

Yeah, right? If only he could have, you know, done that. Part of the reason we didn't vote out Andy at the first tribal council of Survivor 47 is because I went through that challenge. I hated it. And I'm sitting there like, I'm not doing this by myself. Like Andy's not the best in challenges. He's the only brute force that we got here besides me. I'm not voting him out for, you know, then trying to do this by myself.

You know, we're not going down that road. So maybe different of Q's here. Two tribes going to tribal council next week. Do you think that they are going to one tribal council? Ooh. With how many people going home? One. We got to get some people.

We got to speed things up. Yeah. I mean, come on. We haven't done that, I think, since Big Wendy in Survivor 38. I do think that, you know, we happen in Game Changers. It is something to, with would be a. a great spectacle to do it. It would be fitting for this season for them to have one of these.

I'm looking at the calendar. Sure. Sure. We all are. We all are. What are we doing? Okay. Listen, I know that what you're saying, Sam, we have 24 players and we only have so many episodes.

And so we got to get to it. But we also need to spend a lot of time with Zach Brown. And I'm, I wouldn't have it any of. way. You heard me. I love it. You love it. You love it. Okay. So here was Zach Brown to bring Survivor, what the Survivors, what Jeff said was the best reward in the history of the show. Zach Brown catches you fish, cooks you fish, and gives you a concert. Was this the best reward in the history of Survivor? I don't know. I don't know. I'll take a car.

I'll take like one of those. What, helicopter to a volcano and like, yeah. That stuff looks pretty cool. The best reward in the history of the sanctuary, okay? Agreed. Agreed. This is where great things happen. Look, it looked like a great time.

I would have loved it, especially for a pre-merge reward. This might be one of the better. Oh, tribal rewards that we've had. Sure. Right. Like, you know, early in the game, it's normally like, hey, you've got to, fruit basket back at camp. I'd rather go to the Zach Brown thing. That was, that seemed

cool. Yeah. But yeah, they've had some epic experiences in the history of Survivor at some of these rewards. Certainly in terms of the new era, this was the hugest reward that we've seen any tribe celebrate in the new era where it's

almost like against the ethos of the show of like, hey, small tribe, small rewards. We're going to, okay, Bruce and Kendra, and, and Mama J, you can go eat a chicken with no utensils. I think she was the third person on that reward. I got a hot dog at the same.

Yeah, you get a hot dog. You don't even get mustard on it. But yeah, love, but for, you know, that season 50, day nine, let's pull out all the stops for Zach Brown. Boy, we spent a lot of time. How many confessionals did Zach Brown have tonight? Eight. Maybe. Survive.

How are we divided them? Costa, can you update the Survivor Confessional count and include Zach Brown? Because I, sorry for you, Camilla. Sorry for you, Tiffany. Zach Brown just leapfrogged you tonight. Yeah, his edit percentage. He's way over- Winner edit for Zach Brown.

Late Bloomer. He might have gotten per-I-I was watching those first three episodes wondering where Zach Brown was. He was purpled through three episodes. I'm glad he's getting his breakout star. Yes. And he deserves. This was the Genevieve Survivor 47 edit, right?

the big big breakout in episode four yeah exactly that's what they were going for uh i loved so i'll say i liked the reward i liked the singing i liked the inclusion of zach brown i had a good time i'm a jack brown fan i thought it was fun i didn't need the montage of him spearfishing with like his own personal backstory like we got we've gotten more personal content from zach brian Zach Brown. Now I'm mixing enough country seniors. Yeah. We got more personal content from Zach Brown than we have

a lot of the people on the season up to this point. Yeah. Which was a choice. Listen, it wasn't for me. I'm not the biggest Zach Brown fan. And maybe this would have been a different story if it was like, oh my God, Billy Joel is here. Forget Billy Eilish.

Billy Joel is here. And he's going to like go behind the bar. and fix everybody a cocktail. Listen, I'll say this. Speaking of Billy Eilish, shout out to Zach Brown for actually being involved, though. Yeah.

I mean, what? We heard about the Billy Elish today is like all we've gotten from her is, I like the boomerang. That's what she fired from like a text back to Jeff after he probably quadruple texted her and stuff. Like, that's all we got. We haven't heard her acknowledge it ever since then.

I like that Zach Brown showed up that he was on the island, that he cared enough to be there and like, what the show means to him. That's part of the celebration of Survivor that I think they want the season to be. Can I nitpick one thing? I think you shouldn't Zach Brown if he really wants to show off,

go out there with the Hawaiian sling. What the hell is this? Like this professional like a harpoon. Yeah, he brought a bazooka under water. And then, you know, it's like coming down with a stingray and stuff. Like that wasn't all that impressive. He had a lot of gear.

Yeah. The songs that Zach Brown sang were these, the bangers colder weather is one of my favorites so that first one he kept a couple of the hits from us

to I think promote some of his newer stuff but colder weather is an all-timer I did not have These are a couple from my new album this is kind of like

when Survivor brings back a lot of people from the new era yeah yeah right this is this is not what you asked for but this is what

I'm going to give you anyway yeah this is and this is better this is album drop the four leave the one on this album I thought did not have

Zach Brown singing in colder weather with a coach Wade confessional during in the middle of the song on my bingo card it looked like fun for sure yeah and I'm and I'm upset for D that she didn't get to go upset for D for Jonathan Jonathan was like we didn't even

get to have a handshake yeah not even a handshake come on it's like a loved ones visit of like we didn't even get to hug. Zach Brown. I'm sure when he's in Gulf Shores, Alabama, you can go and get a handshake. I liked, I was upset for Dee, and I will say this,

I thought this was one of the better moments of the episode up until we got our late montage. It's not going to hit for a lot of people. I liked it, Dee crying about Zach Brown. Yeah. What was it that you liked about? Yeah. Yeah, I related to it,

not in the sense that I would have cried about Zach Brown. But it, I don't know, it hit, it struck a chord with me as a player of there are things that just like weirdly get you emotional that you like really want that you don't get and like it really sucks. And you can like wallow in some of that self pity for a bit. And I remember on my season, there was one of our immunity challenges at the final 10, Gabe wins immunity. And he's doing this whole like Ray Lewis dance and he's, you know, celebrating being like, I can't wait for. my friends and my dad to watch that back at home. And I was so bummed. And I sat in confessional and I just cried the whole time. I cried about the fact that Gabe won immunity and I didn't. I don't care about like immunity like that. I'm not going to cry because I lost the challenge.

There was something about it that for me was like, I loved that specific challenge that we were doing. It was, I don't know what they call it, but it's the classic coach Wade and token teams. Yeah. Hold on to the foothold. Yeah. One of my favorite challenges ever.

I was pumped wanting to do it, didn't get a chance to do it. Gabe wins it. He's like, too big for that. Yeah. You can't win that challenge. Yes, I can. Yes, I can. Come on.

We'll see. You know, I don't know. I think I would be able to. And I can say that because I never got to actually do it. I don't know. There was something about it that spoke to me as being like, I really wanted this one. I really want that moment that he got where he gets the necklace and his family's going to get to watch that.

And I didn't have that moment yet. And at the time, I felt like I was about to be voted out. and like I was running out of room in the game and it was it just felt like a lot where I'm like I really want that once in a lifetime experience that that other person got and so watching d yes it's Zach brown it's just a country singer who's singing your songs you can go listen to jack brown at home you can go to a Zach brown concert at home I'm sure d will have plenty of opportunities to meet jack brown if she wants to with all that she's got going for her in life yeah but there's something about it in that moment of like hey this this this artist this music means a lot to me for this

reason because of this experience with my family. And I wanted that experience right now that I kind of appreciated the vulnerability a little bit. I thought it was a good character moment for D, somebody who is otherwise very much this over, like not overly, but just like very confident girl. She's so confident, so impressive, such a cutthroat game player. We get this version of D all the time that is just like magnetic and fun and wanting to win. and it was refreshing and nice to get that.

I don't know. That was my take on it is I thought it was indifferent and I liked it. The part of it that really resonated with me was that D self-identifies as, hey, I'm a winner. I get what I want. And now I wanted this and I didn't get it. And now I don't like that. I don't even know who I am. Yeah.

I didn't get what I wanted here. And so I think that that is maybe. part of her story over the course of the season, unless she ends up going all the way of D coming to terms with having not winning something. Yeah. And it's this participation trophy of immunity. I don't want that. I wanted the thing that I was excited about. And she is certainly like this incredible achiever in her life with, you know, survivor, obviously, winning survivor. And then everything that she does outside of the game, she's wildly successful and and very capable.

And I'm sure it is relatively like a unique feeling for her to be so pumped. She's got Jonathan on her tribe. And they're stoked about winning this like challenge. What do you mean we're going to get second place and not be able to go even get a handshake from Zach Brown? So there, I just, I don't know. It was a smaller part of the episode, but I thought it was a really interesting character moment for Dee.

And it was something that I personally like could put myself in her shoes watching that confessional. and I enjoyed it a lot. We got one scene of the Kalo tribe back at Beach before they went to go see Zach Brown, and we got more of Genevieve and Aubrey. And as somebody who was a close friend, an ally of Genevieve in Survivor 47,

I'd love to get your breakdown on the Genevieve and Aubrey situation. Yeah, it really is interesting to me. I think it comes back to kind of what we were talking about earlier with these traumas that I think exist. My diagnosis of Genevieve to people that don't know her but want to know what she's like, I think that people who have some self-doubt in them find Genevieve very intimidating because Genevieve is this very self-deprecating person that can be so self-deprecating, yet so charming and so good at everything.

And she just has a way of like speaking and getting people to do what she wants to do and making friends very easily. And if you're not somebody who's like that or if you've got some hesitation about yourself, I think that you can be like, well, what does she have that I don't have? Like what? I don't trust that. She's too good at everything. there's a little bit too, like there's something there.

And for me, Aubrey is coming off of three survivor appearances where she's done sequentially worse each time where her most recent timeout, she was kind of run around like laps around her by new players and didn't know what was going on with Victoria and Aurora and Big Wendy. And she has this really negative experience on edge of extinction in a lot of ways. And I think, you know, she comes in and somebody like Genevieve, who is able to hit the ground running and gel with Stephanie and, you know, Q and Colby and Rizzo and like she's able to make these alliances right away threatened Aubrey. And then you are starting to see the oil and water

not mix where Aubrey is very turned off by this and weirded out by this. Genevieve doesn't really know what's going on. She's like, hey, maybe we can be an alliance. And then Aubrey's like, no, I don't trust you, which is, weird for Genevieve. Like if you're told, hey, I don't trust you by somebody. You probably just want to go and get them out. And I think that you're seeing that side of Aubrey really coming out here towards Genevieve in a way that I'm not even sure Genevieve is fully aware of at this point. Do you think that the issue for Aubrey with Genevieve is going back to this idea of scars from the previous wars? Do you think that Aubrey looks at Genevieve and says,

says, hey, you remind me of this person that I'm watching out for, or do you think that Aubrey looks at Genevieve and says, hey, you remind me of me or you remind me of something that I feel like I'm missing? I think it's a little bit of the first and the third. I think people are the most intimidated in Survivor by people that remind them of themselves or they see as equals to them. If you're seeing the story through your own eyes, you believe that you are a very capable player.

And people who you know talk like you, think like you, view the game like you do are not people I want to play with. Yeah, it was why Gabe and I never had a strategic conversation with one another ever, because I knew from the jump, we are way too similar in terms of our interests in the way that we talk about the game and in the way that we want to play the game, I'm just against you. And that's what it is. And I think that there is a combination here of Genevieve is this kind of person that Aubrey probably has on her radar of this is no good for me. I don't want to work with this. As well as, like I said, if you are Aubrey who has had trouble now,

how many seasons in a row has she gotten off to a bad start and not been able to like really find her footing? And she's got the like the breakdown in Kowrong and the rough go at the beginning and edge of extinction. You're able to see Genie. Game changers. Yeah. Like she's never gotten off to a good start to her survivor games.

And Genevieve comes in and is immediately in the majority alliance like well liked by everybody well received. I think there's some of that that's like, you have that missing piece. that I wish I had in my game. And I don't like that. And for that reason, I'm threatened by you. I want you to go.

And that happens sometimes. Like you just don't have to like everybody. You don't have to like CI to eye or want to play with everybody. And I think you're just dealing with people that are, for their own reasons, pitted against each other at this point. We saw Genevieve find the Billy Elish Bomerang Idol for the second time, besties with Billy Elish now. And she ends up sending it to Riz God.

It doesn't tell anybody. Did Genevieve send the idol to the right person? Certainly. Certainly. She's played with Rizzo up to this point, right? So there is some sort of relationship there. Her other allies are like Colby, who's on her tribe, who she can't send it to Q, who's out of the game,

Kyle, who's out of the game, and Rizzo. So, like, there's a good reason to send it to somebody there if she needs to. You also have the ability to vote somebody out with this idol. and get it back. Now, Genevieve doesn't know this, but the Riz God is kind of notorious for not playing his immunity idol at Tribal Council. He likes to flaunt this thing around.

So, yeah, you kind of sent it to the perfect person. If you're looking for somebody to get a little cocky with an idol in their pocket and make some noise at Tribal, you found the right dude. It was pretty good. This was really the self-interested one where she did, okay, one for you guys, I did the group thing. We sent it to Ozzy.

This one's for me. I'm sending it to Riz God. But was it a missed opportunity not to send it to Stephanie, who was a close ally, the only VATU person they just lost. I'm not sure if they knew yet that Q had been voted out at the tribal council. I suspect that they did not yet know that. But it would have been interesting if Genevieve's like, I want to send this to Q and like, oh, well. Yeah, about that. Yeah.

But who would your second choice be if it wasn't Q? Yeah, if it wasn't Q. Could you give us another option? But, you know, Stephanie is an ally. Is that a move? Yeah, it could have been. I'm not really sure what the hierarchy is here for Genevieve in terms of her allies, right? We know Kyle was her guy. Yeah. Like, Kyle was her number one. Now she seems to be very in with Colby. I don't know how much of that is Colby's next on the totem pole or Colby is just the person that she is swapped to this new tribe with. Yeah. So I'd be interested in kind of figuring out what that hierarchy of allies is. But you could play it for Stephanie. I think it ultimately does come down to. what she says, though, is Stephanie is going to

one problem, like, know where it comes from generally. I think Stephanie's less likely to get voted out because she has more friends in the game. And somebody like Rizzo, who you can look at and say, well, the only person from his season is gone. He's got a target on his back.

He's got a target on his back. If I can just take him out and I get the idol back, that's great news for me. And if you're going to use one self-interested, I'll say, I like this Billy Elish idol a lot more now post swap because I think it's more interesting once you have relationships with people. And it could set up a really interesting dynamic if you have two tribes go to, now there's probably no chance that if two tribes go to tribal council that the Aussie Christian Emily tribe

is not one of those two tribes that goes to travel council, but those other two tribes go to travel council and you have one one group vote, Genevie is going to be pushing pretty hard for, hey, let's get out Rizzo. Right. Or Aussie. I mean, you could, I mean, if you know where the, the idols are, right? But then you know, and that's what I think is interesting about it is, like I do have this weird, I struggle with the idea of,

you can find two idols and not have any idols in your pocket while other people have idols for doing nothing. I struggle with that. I do get what they're going at here, though, because there's something really fascinating about this, that dilemma of, do you use it to build an alliance and try to use, like try to get in with the person,

or are you tunnel visioning? it's almost, Rob, it's almost a better version of, or maybe a more practical version, I should say, of the amulet. Does that make, like, you know, the advantage amulet. I hear what you're saying in terms of, you know, the people who are good at finding idols, this is like a little bit more rewarding. Maybe it's not even the social game. It's more like who seems likable or what do I want to do.

I like that the players have choices. So I get what you're saying that Genevieve has done all this work and has zero idols to show for it so far so far right no you i mean you could get two idols out of it or and right there's it's two bridges that jennaby was able to build with these people she's sending the idols to which is you know ammunition in its own right now sim remind me in survivor 47 was jenevieve an idol finder i remember she found the advantage uh it was actually i believe it was you and her that were looking for the advantage right after the mergatory if we're allowed to call it that and she found an advantage where she skipped the challenge.

It didn't have to get all muddy. But did she find any other idols during Survivor 47? Sam Moore is going to have his work cut out for him bleeping stuff out from this podcast. We have said the word Christian way too many times. Way too many religious times. That's why they call me Hubbicki now. Can't do it. Yeah.

Genevieve did not find an idol on Survivor 47. She did find... Did she practice finding idols? Yeah. I guess so. I don't, I've never really put a ton of stock into like this person's a good idol finder or not a good idol finder, but it's hard to deny almost when it feels like the same people find them all the time.

Yeah. I think once you find one, it's like, okay, now I got it. Maybe. I mean, I found one and then found nothing. But I guess there was nothing else for me to find, you know, the rest of the time out there. But yeah, Genevieve did find a disadvantage. I'll say, I think she knows where to look.

Like I think Genevieve is intuitive, which is a big part of vital finding is being intuitive. Hey, search directly off the path. Search areas of trees that could be hidden that could conceal something without being like buried or up six feet or way off the path where they can't film you. I think it takes a level of like, hey, reading the room, we've heard the Russell Hans strategy before of the camera's not with you. you're not by the idol. Stop looking and wait for the camera to get on you. Like that generally is a rule of thumb. I think Genevieve knows all of that.

So clearly it's working for her here. She's figured something out in terms of how to find these Billy Irish boomerang idols. The other tribe was the tribe that was where Rizzo ended up getting the idol. I want to talk about Charlie and Rizzo and this drama that is brewing where Charlie called Rizzo. Rizzo his mortal enemy and Rizzo doesn't even know it. Yeah.

Is Charlie going to get Rizzo out of the game? Maybe. And maybe to his own. I don't think this is going to end well for Charlie, one way or the other. This is greeting to me like he's either going to fail or he's going to tunnel vision on Rizzo. Yeah. Much like your friend in mine, Stephen Fischbach does back in Cambodia with somebody like Joe, where it like you in not to just like throw stephen under the bus for no reason he's catching a stray on

his own podcast but yeah he won't listen at this though just kind of this like idea of like hey if you tunnel vision on one particular person or one particular target you're missing the all the stuff that's going on behind you and that's my fear for charlie here um it's not smart it doesn't make logical sense trauma's not logical for but for all the reasons right number one charlie has hasn't seen Survivor 49. You don't know that it was the same situation as Maria with you. In fact, it's not. And it's hard to equate those two things, even if Rizzo says that it's not the same thing. I think it's quite a leap to assume, like, he cost me or he cost her the same way Maria cost me. If you're having an issue with everybody who doesn't vote for their number one,

there's plenty of people on this cast. And on your tribe that have sat at a jury and not voted for their number one ally. You don't seem to have a big beef with them for that. And then additionally, like, if this was an issue for Charlie, in order for this to be an issue, you have to get to the final three. You would have to be number one allies with Rizzo and get to the final three and then have Rizzo not vote for you for this to even become part of an issue. So, yeah. Who was your number one ally on the jury. Oh, you know, they didn't vote for me. So it's like, I mean, are they on Survivor 50?

Yeah, I would have thought. Yeah, I thought I was banking Genevieve's vote. I was taking that home. Oh, did not come. Hope Charlie doesn't put that one together. Yeah, I did, I did the whole, I did the whole, wait till he finds out that she sent Rizzo an idol. Yeah.

Just I did the whole speech to Genevieve, too. just so you know, you're over there. You got my support. Like, I'd like to think we're like, we're looking out for each other. Wamp, wow. No, R-A-C-H-E-L loser. For me, yeah,

there's plenty of people that have not voted for their number one sitting on the jury, for their own reasons, whatever. One, I think Charlie isn't supposed to know this, but I think Rizzo's lying here too, like to kind of like distance. Yeah, I got confused.

I got tripped up on the stage when John Lovett was on the live shot. I was trying to explain it. And I got to confuse that so he, I believe this, I have this correct now. Rizzo is lying to everybody that, oh, me and Savannah weren't that close. And then he said that Sophie Baleherty was his number one. Based off of the edit, Savannah is Rizzo's number one. She gets to the end.

He votes for Savannah to win the game. He does vote for his ally. However, because he was trying to sell this fish tale of, oh, me and Savannah, we were, it was, it was weird between us. We weren't actually allies. Then to Charlie, it reads like, wait, hold on. So you voted for the person you didn't even like in the final two? Right. Yeah.

And I think it's part of, people were wondering like, well, hey, Savannah's already out when you're telling him that. Why lie? But maybe it's like, hey, he's already told stories of Survivor 49 to people on his old tribe. And it's been like, oh, Savannah and I were not that close. And you can't, like, get caught, go walking that back as soon as she's voted on the game being like, actually, we're best friends. So, yeah, Charlie's not supposed to know that. Like, I can't fault him for, you know, buying what Rizzo is selling here. But it does really, it does feel like this trauma, which, again, hey, one thing about trauma, it's not logical, right?

Like, I can sit here and say that all of Charlie's logic here is not logical. for why he should be zoomed in on Rizzo. But like, Rob, I sat at final tribal council. I lost. I know how bad it sucks. I lost seven to one. Okay. I didn't come up one vote away from winning a million dollars and have it be my number

one ally. That is something that would be much, much, much more difficult to get over. I don't know how Charlie even does it. And I'm sure it's still bothering him. He's only what two years removed, a year removed from filming by the time he's going out here for Survivor 50.

So I don't blame him. Yeah. I have to critique the logic of it, but also understand. This is real trauma. These are real emotional scars that people have. It's only two years. Yeah, I can tell you, Sam, it takes about like 15, maybe like 20 years. And then you get, and then you're over it.

So it's got to get Charlie back on Survivor 80. And we'll, uh, you know, see, see how he play how he does it differently. Okay. Sam, my last question for you. What would your talent be in the Survivor Talent Show? I'm embarrassed to give my real answer. Because it probably, it probably would have been like,

I probably would have thought I could freestyle rap and embarrass myself, which just like, I'm going to be, I'm going to say that because I'm not going to lie for the podcast, Rob. That is probably what I would have done. Free style rap. Yeah, and it wouldn't have gone well because nobody gets and declares themselves a freestyle

rapper and then comes out looking good. the other end of it, especially on TV. So if I start snapping, could you give us the freestyle rap now about tonight's episode? No. No, I'm not. We're, our quota of raps is filled. Thanks to JP in episode three.

I might have been able to sing like a show tune, but then they probably would have hit me with the cabosh. Okay. Because, you know, copyright and whatnot. Sure. Okay. All right. Well, as long as we're not rapping.

Citing major. League Baseball stat lines from the 2010s count. I can give you any lineup from the 2010s, although I'm not sure. Any lineup from the 2010s? Hey, I, I got a, I like it. I'm not sure Surrey Fields would have appreciated that one now. Like, could you give us the 2013 Orioles? Yeah. Yeah, that's Matt Wheaters behind the plate. We got, uh, JJ Hardy at shortstop, Mani Machado at third, Adam Jones, Nolan Rymel or Adam Jones center, Nolan Rymold, I believe and left. Pedro Alvarez at first base.

Second base. Maybe Jonathan Scope. Mark Trumbo somewhere in there. Luke Scott, D-Hing slash coming off the bench. People forget about Luke Scott. Brian Roberts is on that team, I think. I might be mixing up my ears a few bit, but that's, I mean,

Delman Young is on it. It sounds impressive to me. Delman Young is on that team, I'm pretty sure. Is this the opening day lineup or this was just the regular? Guys. I'm just naming guys. Okay. All right. Sam, anything else on your mind about this episode? Man, no, no.

This was, I think we hit on everything that really hit on my, on my notes here. It was, it was a little heavy with the, with the Zach Brown on the middle. But I do think, you know, in between. We came back strong. Yeah, we started really strong with some fun conflict. I liked the character moment from Dee, and I think we really got. I'll say this, just coming out of this episode is, I want somebody else to win.

I want to see some of these other players play the game. I love Christian Hubecki. We've gotten Christian Hubicki's decision four episodes now. I want to see somebody else do something here. Yeah. So I would like to see how some of these other players are playing from a strategic standpoint. I'm excited for when that comes to be.

Yeah, you got to have some gas in the tank for the back half of the season. I mean that it's been, what, nine days, 10 days into this game? and he's played so much. And so I think he needs... And it's good TV. It's just that, you know, there's people who are on the season that I was very excited to watch play

that have not gone to a tribal council or had to do anything. But Christian has been through the crucible so far. And so I do hope for his sake that he does, is able to catch his breath at some point. I mean, he's on a de misstapley pace. Yeah, he's earned a break. He can unwind for a little bit.

That would be well, well earned by Christian. Okay. Well, let's talk a little bit about what else we have. coming up and of course the tribe and I have spoken the amazing new novel that's coming I don't is it a novel I don't know it's my collection of essays about everything I've learned about survivor and Sam what I tried to do here is tell the story of Survivor how did we go from the phenomenon that was happening on television in the summer of 2000 before Sam Phelan was even a glimmer in the eye of Mr. and Mrs. Famine

Ellen, that we said, okay, what are we going to do with this crazy show on an island? And how do we go from there to where we are now, where Zach Brown is grilling up fish and shooting sharks with harpoons? How did we go from here to there? I try to tell the story of how Survivor has evolved all of the lore and the legacy and all of the great stories and players in between. Plus, we've got some strategy for you about how to play. the game in its current phase right now.

You can go to rob as a book.com. And when you pre-order, you'll get, we just announced last week, my all-time survivor rights of passage, my tribute to 751 players, including Sam Phelan. Whoa. You're every single person. Every single player. That is something. I'll have to, I'll have to check that out.

Plus, we have some raffles as well. including a signed copy of the tribe and I've spoken, signed by every single survivor player that we've met this spring. So we're looking at well over 50 survivor signatures all in one copy of the book, signing where I talk about them in the book. Go to rob hasa book.com for more. All right. Then also we dropped some new merch.

You know, Sam, we've got some great new merch from the traders that we just dropped over at rob hasa website.com slash merch. You know, they say the best time to drop your traders' merch is right at the start of this, especially when you get killed on the first night. They say drop it right after, drop it like it's hot. And we say no. No, you know what? We're going to wait a month until the season's over.

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For the patron call-in show, Rob's website.com slash patron for more information on that one. Then we've also got, of course, okay, we'll say that this, you know, Sam Phelan, check, Got that one in the can. Tina Weston coming up,

an exit interview with Mike White and the Survivor No It All's on Sunday with Steve Fishback. We'll find out who won the Fishy. Sam, do you want to put in a vote for who should win the fishy? Oh, man.

I will go ahead and put my... No. I don't. I don't want that. I think it's a tough one. I thought about it and I couldn't come up with a good choice. I think the chalk pick is Christian.

I think the question is like, was this a good move? Like it was, it was, incredible, it was like a well done move to do a 3-2-1, but just because you could have done it, does that

mean you should have done it? Yeah, this is where the fish she can get a little bit gray, right? Because I almost wanted to say Emily flipping, because I like what this did for Emily's game. I think Emily came out of this in a really good spot and it gives her a lot of options moving forward. But did Emily,

was Emily driving anything this week that is worthy of the fishy? That is debatable. So I'm not sure I'll leave that to Stephen. Leave it to the know-it-alls. Right, Q? Hold on. I was trying to hit the soundboard.

Debatable. Debatable. Yeah. There we go. All right. All right. Then we had a great conversation with comedian, podcaster, author, television star, Paul Shear, big Survivor fan, big Traders fan, had a great conversation with Paul Shear up in the podcast feed.

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that was going on with many of the people that you heard us talk about tonight on the podcast, they are on Chat BCC, including Sam Phail. That's me. You get a lot of, there's going to be a lot of Emily Flippin discourse. You know, chat BCC is loving Emily Flipping. And tonight, no exception. Got a scare for the flipping stands out there.

Okay. All right. She's in there. All right. Sam, where can people keep up with you? Yeah. Well, you can, I'm most active on, on Twitter, Instagram, some. You know, I'm currently, I got to apologize to my Instagram followers out there.

I'm going through the Game of Thrones watch right now. And I've been, I've been trying to document as much of it as I can because it's my first time experience. On Instagram about game of Thrones. Yeah, just reaction videos when I finish, you know, something that's really, you know. Like, how far are you? Well, right now I just finished season four, actually. Yeah. That'll be a shock to people because the last time they got a video for me, it was in season two.

And then, you know, I went down a whole rabbit. And you know when, you know when that thing happened. That really got me just like seeing red. Yeah. No video then, no video? No, because I just had to get into the next. I had to get into the next one. I just had to go and not think about it.

So I've been hit or miss. But you can find those at my Instagram. So you never saw it before, but you're watching it for the first time. I know nothing. I never seen it. Like John Snow. I don't know any spoilers. I, yeah, I correct.

I just learned that reference to the other day, which all of this is, you know, know, chaos is a ladder. I'm learning, I learned that for the first time. You have any picks for who's going to end up on the Iron Throne? Oh, that's fantastic. Yes, I think it's going to be, no, it can't be. Let's go with John Snow. Let's go with John Snow.

I like John Snow to end up on the Iron Throne. I think he's gaining a little bit of momentum up north right now with, you know, with the men on the wall. and I don't know because I was going to get in on, you know, Tyrion, but I don't know, Tyrion just did something at the end of season four that I don't know how he comes back from. Yeah, all right. I will say nothing. Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

We'll see. But I'm into it. I'm loving it. So I'm there. And then on Twitter as well, you can handle a bunch of sports stuff. There's a, you know, a sprinkle of reality TV in there as well. Okay. All right.

Well, Sam, great job. incredible work coming in and we did not miss a beat tonight. So incredible job by you and I know that the fans love it when you come on, the know it all and sit in the Stephen chair. So incredible job. Hey, call

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