RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Ep 5 Exit Interviews

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Survivor 50 Ep 5 Exit Interviews Today, Rob Cesternino returns with a double exit interview episode. Rob sits down with Angelina Keeley and Charlie Davis to break down their journeys on Survivor’s milestone season. This week’s show unpacks emotional exits, shifting gameplay, and the strategies you didn’t get to see on TV, straight from two contestants who felt the full weight of the tribe’s torch snuffings. The conversation kicks off with Angelina opening up about her intentional “under the radar” approach this time around after David vs. Goliath. She and Rob explore how self-awareness and preseason perceptions—especially from old-schoolers like Stephenie and Colby—shaped her experience. Angelina candidly discusses how her close friendship with Mike White impacted her game and what it felt like to lose him to a brutal blindside. Rob draws out the details on alliance-building, missed “Shot in the Dark” plays, and how Emily ran the show behind the scenes. Later, Charlie Davis joins to reflect on social media’s influence on Survivor strategy, his processing of loss from season 46, and how small moments by the water well or campfire can turn the game. There’s also an inside look at the surprising alliances formed with Jonathan, the evolving dynamics with Dee and Kamilla, and the infamous conversation about the Billie Eilish idol with Rizo. – Angelina reveals the emotional fallout of Mike White’s blindside and why her quieter game was deliberate – Charlie shares lessons on navigating returnee seasons and managing social media perceptions – Strategic misreads, like Ozzy’s tells and the trust game between allies and enemies – Funny camp moments, including Coach’s 1987 toe ring and debates about papaya preparation – Deep dives into pre-game alliances, swap tribe chaos, and Emily’s under-the-radar domination Can new-school flexibility outwit old-school “honor and integrity,” or are day-one perceptions impossible to shake? Hear why Emily, Christian, and slow-rolling strategies defined Survivor 50’s latest moves—and what these exits mean for the game ahead. Chapters: 0:00 Angelina’s Return and Early Exit 4:08 Mike White Blindside Devastates Angelina 6:17 Angelina’s Failed Push Against Christian 8:19 Emily Outsmarts Angelina at Tribal 10:02 Angelina Identifies Production-Manufactured Tribes 12:27 Angelina Addresses “Lazy” Camp Narrative 14:41 Angelina’s New Parenthood Business Venture 16:38 Charlie Davis Joins Post-Elimination 17:29 Advice for Returnees: Social Perception Counts 19:22 Survivor Loss, Catharsis, and Moving Forward 22:20 Charlie’s Strategy With Rizo’s Idol Info 25:51 Dee and Kamilla Betray Charlie 27:56 Charlie’s Surprising Alliance With Jonathan 31:00 The Toe Ring “Curse” Strikes Charlie 33:00 TWISH begins To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Visit medcan.com slash moments to get started. Everybody, what's going on? Rob Sisternino back with you for a double exit interview after a really jam-packed episode of Survivor last night. Tonight, today, this morning even, we're going to talk to the two players who got voted out. First, we'll have Angelina Keeley joining us. And then Charlie Davis, a great double feature for you.

And then we'll have this week in Survivor history, a pallet cleanser. after all the exciting exit interviews for you here today. Of course, you can watch them all on our YouTube channel. You go to watch RHAP.com. We had a really great Survivor. Know-It-alls as well on Wednesday night, not to mention. I'll talk to Adam Klein coming up today, and then Rachel Lamont over the weekend and a patron Q&A to boot.

So really, wall-to-wall, Survivor 50 here on RHAP. I have Angelina on the line. Let's go ahead and bring her in. All right, we are here with the icon, who is sadly no longer with us on Survivor 50, but is here with us today. It's the great Angelina, Akely. Angelina, how are you?

Hey, Rob, I'm doing all right. How are you doing? I'm sad. I am disappointed because I feel like that I am mourning you not being on the show. And I feel like I'm mourning that I feel like that I didn't even get to see as much Angelina as I wanted to. Thank you. That means a lot.

How can I, how are you feeling about this? season overall in terms of who we're seeing and who we're not seeing. So I feel like that the season has been, I will say, I think it's been very fun. I do feel like that you're the biggest question mark I feel like in terms of like what we didn't see. Because I have to imagine you were delivering, right? I mean, we'll never know. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Look, I mean, I've changed in some ways, but I'm still myself. So I mean, yeah, I was bringing bringing the joy, bringing the heat. but really I was bringing the heat. Do you see that jacket? I mean, it was. It looked very warm. Can I give you my theory about why maybe we didn't see as much of you, where I feel like that in the original David versus Goliath,

I feel like that maybe you were not as self-aware as you have become now returning to Survivor 50. And in your self-awareness, did it turn out to be in the eyes of some, in the eyes of some? maybe that there was less fun to be had in terms of, okay, Angelina is in on what's going on now. Well, I'll say a couple things.

One, my strategy to be a little bit more quiet and a little bit more under the radar and not rock the boat was intentional. I knew going in that it was going to be an uphill battle to mitigate kind of that perception of my prior self, especially with people that I had never met, especially with kind of these more old school players. the honor and integrity folks, you know, I needed to show them like, hey, I'm a sane person.

I'm a, I'm a good person out here, you know, I'm not going to steal your jacket. And so, yeah, I think there's that. And then I do think that there is a piece of, I would like to think that I have grown a lot. I have a lot more self-awareness. And I, you know, I think a lot of what I was doing doesn't lend itself well, perhaps to, A, a story they were trying to tell and be to television. And I'm okay with that. I didn't go back on to be the star of the show.

I went on to try my hand at it again and to see, you know, almost from a curiosity perspective of what is seven years? How does that change the game? How does becoming a parent change the game, which I know that you can understand? How does just time and growth change the game? And for me, it's like, you know, I was still me, but I did feel different.

I definitely felt different. And I think that, you know, I wish we would have heard a little. little bit more, especially around all the Mike stuff and everything that happened there. What was your reaction to the Mike blindside? I was surprised we didn't see more of your reaction. We really focused on Ozzy's reaction, but I have to imagine you were not happy with Mike White getting blindsided at the last vote. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think the word I would use is devastated. Like, Mike, the story with me and Mike that we really didn't get to see a lot of. is that when we hit the beach at our swap back together, the very first day sitting down with him,

and right after Emily told me that my whole first drive was out to get me, I was like, Mike, I got to tell you, I was like, you matter more to me than this game. Our friendship transcends this game, and I will never betray you in Survivor. Like, you matter, basically what I told him was, you matter more to me than winning Survivor. You matter more to me than the money.

And I said, especially because it's only a million dollars, you definitely matter more to me. And I said, you know, if it was three, I don't know. We'd have to reevaluate. But for sure, a million definitely matters more. In this economy, sure. Yeah, right? Like taxes, inflation, you know.

Anyway, so all of that, you know, we did not see. But that was the experience that I had out there with Mike. And so for him to be ripped out like he was, especially when I knew he was fighting for me. like I felt so guilty really. Like I felt like he went down trying to salvage this like wrecked ship. And then he ended up getting the boot. And so I was like, oh man, like he really took a bullet for me. And so I was like, well, let me try to do the best I can to just carry on in our honor, you know.

But no, I was sad. I mean, I was crying. I really shut down. You see him in the background when Ozzy's doing his fire thing. And I just, I didn't want to talk. Christian tried to talk to me. I said, please respect the fact that, like, I just don't even want to talk right now. Like, I literally just like a minute.

And anyway, so yeah, no, I was, I really, I was down. I was, it really hit me like a ton of bricks. It was, it was really hard when he left. So how did you go from that to ultimately making the decision to then work with Christian on a vote where he actually was selling you a fake plan and got you to vote for Stephanie? But I really thought that you would come in and say, hey, Christian, you know what? You took out Mike. That's it.

Stephanie, Ozzy, let's go. This guy is not trustworthy. So I really thought that you would have gone for Christian at this vote. How did you decide to work with Christian again? Well, I was, I did try that. So I exhausted all the options. I tried to work with Ozzy and Stephanie. I tried to really capitalize on the fact that like Ozzy was so scorned.

And I'm like, Ozzie, you cannot trust those guys. Like I, you know what I mean? Like I forgave Ozzie for voting for me. I was like, you didn't know. You're fine. I was like, let's get Christian out. Like, that was what I was trying to do the next day. We did not see it, unfortunately. But that was plan A. There, uh, there didn't seem to be a ton of legs with that. Ozzy has, uh, Ozzie is, he's, he is an honest guy, I feel. And so it was easy for me to read when he was not being, uh, when he was lying to me. And one of his tells was like, he like, he like would be like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a plan. But like, wouldn't actually like take the time to like make it like it was actually a plan. So I was like, okay. Ozzy's not with me. Stephanie's been trying to get me out. I'm like, okay, that doesn't have legs. So then I'm like, okay, then my two options really are work with Emily and Christian or play my shot in the dark.

And it was not Christian who sold me on this plan. It was Emily. Emily is like a spy agent. Okay. Kim Possible has nothing on Emily. Like this girl, she can lie with the best of them. I really think that like she does this thing where she convinces herself of the lie. And so she's able to convince you of it.

And we're not seeing that either. Like, she is the best player by far on the Vachi Beach right now and has been. I mean, you're Christian who, Mike who, like, Emily is incredible. And you don't know it until you play with her. And so the way that she got me was she was like, she was like, Angelina, I mean it. Like, I really, you know, she just, she was tearing up. Okay. She was, and I was like, damn, she needs this, right?

So I was in it. I was like, okay. I was like, and she gave me that information the first day. I was like, I could ride with Emily. I could see this. And so with the Christian piece, I was like, oh. okay, don't love that, but maybe Emily will cut him eventually. But the way that Christian justified it to me, which logically made sense, despite how emotional

and sad I was, was that Mike was a liability for any of us, right? Even just being the three on the same season was a liability, any three, right? And because he was close to Mike, I was close to Mike, he was like, it's better for our games to just to have it this way. And I didn't want to put blood on our hands, blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever, he said. And I was like, all right. I mean, that makes sense to me. But I never forgave him for it. I mean, I honestly think that like this is the biggest betrayal of the season.

Him taking out my, not me. I'm fine. Like I was owed. I don't know when I was me anything. You know, I've been coming for Christian for years. So Christian, good on you. All right. Come on.

You got me out. I was trying to get you out. It's, you know, it's true. Right, right. But no, Emily. Emily was really the, she was the queen out there. And that diva, she got me. Man, she got me good.

But no, so I was weighing shot in the dark probability versus Emily being honest with me probability. They were pretty split. Yeah. Pretty even. And so my thought was, I shouldn't play my shot in the dark because if I do, I automatically signal to Emily, I don't trust you. And then if we're going to emerge, I don't have anyone.

And so I was like, okay, well, let me like show Emily. I'm with you. And so in the off chance that she actually is with me, then I have someone maybe. But we know how that played out. So should have pulled out the shot in the dark that night. Listen, it's still a true, you know, crap shoot the shot in the dark. So you can't beat yourself up too much.

So I want to go back to all the way back to your preseason interviews. You had identified, hey, there's two people out here who I think are coming for me, Stephanie and Colby. You get the bad luck that you start on the tribe with them. Oh, it's not bad luck. I mean, they choose the starting tribes. Those are chosen by production. So, I mean, you know, the swap tribes, that's, that's luck.

That's luck at the draw. The starting tribes are manufactured. Yeah. Okay. Well, you start with them. Then you go with Stephanie to the second tribe that did things ever warm between you and Stephanie? Because it seems like on the show, it seems like that there wasn't any tension there.

But was that still an unworkable relationship? You know, it's Stephanie and I were funny. Because we got along really well, but I think that she came in with such a preconceived notion about me. She and Colby did that she could never get past that. And, you know, so it's, it's hard when someone already prejudges you to like undo that, especially in Survivor. And so, you know, we got along well.

Like we were like, you know, chilling, talking about things. She was doing my hair, you know, girly stuff. but yeah, we could just never see eye to eye. And so, I mean, I tried. It was not for lack of try. I tried with anyone, Rob. Here's my gameplay, honestly. I have no doubt, by the way.

Oh, thank you. No, but my game is like, I'll play with you until you don't want to play with me anymore. Like, I exhaust all the avenues. I'm like, yeah. I mean, even if someone cuts me, I'm very good at taking it and being like, all right, well, where do we go? Like, unless you cut me twice, then it's like,

okay, writing's on the wall. But coming on something, like, maybe. But no. So, yeah, I have a very open mind and survivor. I'm a very flexible player. And so I was flexible out there. I was just, again, exhaust all resources. But I got really two bad tribes for my game.

I want to know from you, what were some of the other things that you were doing out there that we didn't get to see, that we should have? Oh, man. Well, you know, in the same breath, Q'd calling me lazy. It's like, well, Q, who was cutting up the papaya with a machete for an hour and dicing it up so that we could have a bite to eat tonight? You know, who would bring the water? And so it's just, it's a classic example of a bias. I mean, it's like, I was doing labor.

I was doing things for the camp, but it's like, what do you prioritize or what do you choose to see and what do you choose not to see? And the reason I was sitting squarely at camp that day is I wasn't feeling well. I was getting lightheaded when I stood up. So I was like, I don't want to faint. So let me just take a minute and get some water. And then the other thing too, Rob, is that I didn't, I was damned if I do it and a damned if I don't. If I was running around getting firewood all the time, you better believe that he would have been like, she's sneaky. She's getting firewood.

We can't trust her as far as we can throw her. So it's like it was going to be something. Yeah. Right? Because there was, you know, a block of people. I'm sure you've heard about him. There were people, everyone talked to someone, right? We all pregame some, but there did seem to be like a little bit of a locked in situation.

That was a bit hard to break into. And call them whatever you want to. They go by many names. But I think that that group of people was a bit immovable. Did you lead the charge to get Q voted out when you went to the swap tribe? No, no. I was very much. look, when asked who I wanted, I wanted Stephanie or Q for sure, because I was like,

they're coming for me. I'm coming for them. And like, you know, let's do this. And so I was down for it. I was down for Stephanie RQ, and I let others lead a bit. Because you have to do that sometimes in Survivor. You know, I think that was a mistake I made the first time was like needing to lead. And now this time it's like, I had a lot more finesse.

Again, we didn't see a lot of it. But I was like happy to be led when the time was. you have to build, you have to build your capital out there. You can't just roll in, you know, blaze in, and especially for a returning season. So I was just really trying to slow roll, but I slow rolled my way right out to Ponderosa. Right. Speaking of building, can you tell us and the listeners about what you've been working on outside Survivor? Yes.

So thank you for asking. So when I left for filming, the business, the brick and mortar business that I own and opened was literally still in remodel phase. So I left a budding business for five weeks to go film. Luckily came back to it slightly, you know, slightly better than before. And we opened our doors in July. It's called Joy Babe Studio. We are third place for early parenthood.

So we are a hybrid. We have both a beautiful custom-built play space. We also have a studio room. So we do parties. We do plotties. We do music. We do, I call it modern mommy and me. I hate that phrase modern.

I do not use Mommy and Me because, because there's a lot of caretakers now. We're all joining in, right? We got daddy. We got grandpa. We got grandma. We got the nanny. Right.

So it's a, we call them little babe classes. But essentially it's a chance to get out, especially in those early days of parenthood when, you know, the, what do they say? The years are fast and the minutes are slow. So we're in San Diego. We're in La Mesa. So if anyone is local, come and play, book a party.

And we're building something really, really special there. And we've had really great reception since opening in the fall. Well, congratulations on all that. Please keep in touch, okay? Oh, no, you know. Rob, I got your number. Okay, you can't leave me. All right.

Good, good. All right. Okay, daddy. All right. All right. Okay. All right. Talk to you soon.

All right. Best of luck with everything. Bye, Rob. Thank you. All right, everybody. There you have it. There's Angelina, one of the all-time characters in Survivor history. And happy to hear everything that she has going on.

And hopefully we'll get to chat with her. many more times here in the future. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, Charlie Davis tells us about his harrowing Survivor 50 last stand. When we come back right after this. All right, we're here with the great Charlie Davis. Charlie, how are you? I'm good, Rob.

I'm here with the great Rob, all right. Yes. Let's get it straight. Charlie, I'm very excited to talk to you. I always enjoy watching you on the show. I am disappointed because I really was surprised that it was probably as much as you that you were the person that ended up going home last night. You know, I think that you are, I would call you a student of the game, but I think of you almost like a professor of the game because I think that you have a knack for talking to the audience in a way that maybe only like a Rob Mariano does at times where it's like, hey, you see this, what happens now. and you did it in 46 and you were doing it here.

I'd love to know from you, like now that you have the total picture of everything, now that you too have seen yourself play in this game, what advice do you have to the future player about the returnee season? Ooh, yeah. So they're really complicated. They're super complicated.

And I think a good piece of advice for me to hit on would be think about really two extra layers. One extra layer would be like, what was, you know, this other castaways sort of narrative coming out of their season? And what would they be telling, you know, the production team and casting about like, here's what I'm going to do this time? Like, think about that. Number two, this is maybe not like a hot, it's not a hot take, but like maybe more outside the box. like think about what people's perceptions were on social media because I think it comes into play more than people think about people read all sorts of comments about them and about other people and they think about who the audience likes, what the audience likes in sort of trying

to tailor themselves to certain crowds. I think that is definitely like a layer that that you have to think about, unfortunately. When you say think about the social media, are you saying to think about the comments that that person was reading and getting about themselves. Yes, exactly, exactly. Think about the, and, and sort of think about people in terms of a little bit, like, how much do they care about, like, you know, being liked on, you know, Twitter or Instagram or Facebook or Reddit? Like, because all those things are very different, right?

And I do think it comes into play, like, you know, Twitter is a very different feed than, say, Survivor Reddit or the Facebook. like what people are scrolling, I think really really gets them in their heads. So Charlie, I really have to commend you. You really put yourself out there. You opened up your heart and you told us about your feelings about still dealing with the loss from Survivor 46. You laid it bare and that was very brave of you. And I really commend you for doing that.

And then ultimately you did that and you got burned ultimately because of that. And I really, I'd love to know from you, was any part of all of this experience cathartic for you in terms of processing those feelings that you still have had? And maybe going on, Survivor 50 amplified those feelings in a way that maybe did it help you ultimately process them? I think so, yeah, for sure. I mean, obviously probably would have maybe I could have gotten there by also not getting voted out. Yeah.

But I think it was helpful, I think. I think, yeah, just to like, I don't know, just like think less about it. I mean, if anything, is probably the lesson. And I read some funny comments today. It was like, people were like, Charlie needs to go to counseling, like, get over. I was like, no, like, I promise I'm fine. Like, you know, I was out there on Survivor kind of like talking about like these things. But I probably wasn't the only thing I was talking about.

But I think it just made me be like really reflective of like, you know, what do I want to like hold on to like within my person? Like what do I really want to like grip on to? Grip strength. Very important. Grip strength. Grip strength. And yeah. And letting go also.

Yeah. Yeah. But Charlie, I think you can hold those two things. I think you can be like a high functioning normal person but also still have things that bother you about an experience. So I don't think that it's anything like. Are you speaking from experience too, Rob? Listen, I certainly can speak to my reality TV heartbreaks. And I know that there are things that like, boy, that really sticks in my craw,

but it also doesn't mean that I can't also be a high functioning person. Yeah. No, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Like, of course, like probably for the rest of my days, like there will be times where, you know, things about Survivor pop up. And, you know, certainly when, you know, be like, oh, it would have been nice to have had, you know, a million dollars back in, you know, whatever year, 24 or something. You know, you always think about that stuff. But, no, absolutely.

Like, you can, and I think I feel I do, like, fully functional inside of that. And look no further than to your muse Taylor Swift to know that you can talk about your, you know, emotional experiences in your heart. in your art and also be very successful. That's right. That's right. The most successful. Yes. No, that's cool.

Okay. I want to know about the conversation with Rizzo in the boat. To me, I thought that that was so interesting. And it feels like that maybe we missed something in the episode because it does seem like that you have this wild hair, you wake him up from sleeping to talk about the Billy Elish Idol. And I know you love a morning conversation on. survivor. So talk me through. What were you hoping to accomplish there? Yeah. So I don't remember like

the exact circumstances if I like truly was like Rizzo. Like I don't I don't remember. I mean, I remember we we used to just like hang out by the boat in the morning like, you know, just in general. So I don't remember exactly if I like, you know, abruptly woke him up. But I can tell you in that moment what I had sort of been thinking on is Rizzo had this like really unique. piece of information to the point where I was almost like this could be made up like it in you know when he first said it to me but then as Zach Brown came out I was like oh no this is probably a theme so I thought he was potentially going to use that to basically so division so that's why I was curious like who he had talked to about the idol because I wanted to know like what he was saying

to other folks and and from my perspective like I was never being like loyal to to Rizzo's secrets. So I wasn't concerned about like Rizzo knowing that I had told, like I told everyone on my tribe. Yeah. I told Jonathan, I told D, I told Camilla. Like without, you know, any, without Rizzo being like, yeah, you can go tell them, which like, like, I was not worried about that, like, annoying Rizzo because I was just not concerned with like, you know, did I want them to be like, you know, Charlie is, you know, airing your secrets? No, but like that wouldn't be a problem if they were loyal to me as well. Um, so that was sort of my perspective with. that conversation is like I just wanted to see what he was doing if anything to kind of maybe

use that to get inroads elsewhere. So yeah. Was any part of you annoyed when you watch Survivor for probably a lot of parts of you were annoyed watching Survivor 49? But then to ultimately get to the finale of Survivor 49 and to see that actually Rizgod was besties with Savannah and did vote for her in the end. Whereas anybody like, you stupid idiot. Why did you lie about this?

Honestly, not directed at Rizzo. I was more just like, I thought it was comical from my perspective. Or were you just like, hey, I salute you, Riz God. Yeah, I was like, you know, whatever. You voted for your number one after all. I mean, I found out at Ponderosa when I talked to Savannah. So like at that point, I was like, oh, this is just like ridiculous. And I knew like it from like if they, you know, decided to air this narrative on 50, which like obviously they did.

I was like, it's not going to make any sense to the fans because they just watch all of 49. And like, they probably won't even, they'll probably, you know, there's probably millions of fans who are like, didn't Charlie just watch 49? It's like, no, I didn't. I didn't watch 49 before 50. It hadn't aired. So. But what if they say it a million times in the edit that you haven't seen it? Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, my gosh. So I was like, it's going to be like, it's going to be confusing to people. but at least they had like Rizzo actually saying, you know, I didn't vote for me. It obviously was a lie, but at least, you know, they could at least see where, you know, that would have at least processed for me. How surprising was it that your original Kalo tribe members, D and Camilla, didn't vote with you on this one? I was super surprised.

Very surprised. I thought, I mean, if I thought they were going to come for anyone on that tribe. I thought they were good. They would come for Jonathan. it's sort of the dynamics on collo were like it was a very out front out in the open alliance of like tiffany camilla d and then they were like targeting chrissey hardcore mainly because chrissey was targeting them so those were kind of the main bullets that were flying and chrissey was sort of tighter with um coach and jonathan you know i i had good working relationships with them but i i think ultimately

I considered my, like, if push really came to shop, I was probably going to vote with Di Camilla Tiffany. So in my head, I was like, you know, this is my alliance. You know, there was a moment where like those three like kind of pulled me in was like, this is our four. Like, I was like, sure, like, let's do it. And I was sincere. And I was like, oh, we should bring in Mike to be like our fifth vote, like if it comes

down to it. Because I think Mike was probably who I considered like my tightest ally. And we were sort of kind of could have gone either way. we wanted to. Even though he said he didn't want to work with you. He said it would have been hilarious to vote you out. Mike? Yeah, in the beginning, right? Yeah. Yeah. I was, no, that was really funny seeing that because we ended up, we ended up talking tons of strategy. And I mean, I can, I talked to him. I talked to him friends. I was probably my tightest ally. We talked, he talked the most strategy. I talked the most strategy with him.

So, so, yeah. So in my head, like, I was like, this, this is my alliance. Like, I'm good over here. I don't have any issues. Um, I was never, never, like, tried to, like, pitch Camilla or D, like, in any, in any serious way at all. So I just, it wasn't on my radar that they would, that they would come for me. Yeah. I was surprised that Dee really felt like that she was not happy with the way that you were playing the game. Was that especially surprising to you?

Yeah. Yes and no. I mean, I think we were playing very different games. Like, like I said, like, that was sort of the, the main difference. Like, on Kalo, like, like, like. she was probably like it was basically like D and Chrissy were the names going around and I think I don't know what D was just playing like very much just like cards on the table like you know I'm not working with all those people I'm working like this tight group and like that's fine

but I was sort of more of the mind of like why make so many enemies when we're going to have swaps and merges and all these people like you know you're targeting Chrissy but but, you know, Chrissy's going to have other relationships that are eventually going to, you know, come into her favor. Like, why are we being so out in the open? So I think she viewed my gameplay as, like, shady because I wasn't being as, like, just totally committed to like, oh, I want to get these people out. You know, all of that. It was like, let's just chill. Let's hang on and hope because, you know, you're going to make some enemies for a swap or merge.

Little bit now. I was apparently making enemies for a swap. But, yeah, it was surprising to me. I mean, I was not coming after them at all. So even if, even if devued me as, you know, being dumb, like I didn't think that she was going to come for me. So you did seem to have a really good relationship with Jonathan, who I thought would be an unlikely alliance for you. How close were you with Jonathan? I mean, so on Kalo, we were not not close, but I think definitely on Sela, he sort of gravitated towards more.

working with, I mean, he definitely wasn't working with the women on, you know, maybe not, I don't want to say definitely. I want to be too strong. Like, but, um, I think he, he saw me as like the more natural person to strategize with on that beach. And I, and I sort of viewed it as like, he's a great inroad to like this sort of old school alliance, which there was a lot of talk about. Um, so I thought it was good to be like on good terms with Jonathan. So I was definitely trying to nurture that relationship. And, you know, we got along well. You know, we did our like fun little wrestling skit and stuff like that. We did a lot of like, a lot of like work around camp and like getting food and stuff like that. So, and I think that is probably something that D and Camilla were a little bit.

Maybe that spiked their radars a little bit. But I definitely tried, I mean, I tried and failed to like manage that well. Like I would try to, you know, fill them in on like what Jonathan was saying. And and all of that. Not like in a like let's target Jonathan way. But, you know, to my part, I thought I was like,

you know, being forthright with them. So. Yeah. Last thing. Did you have any sort of, uh, negative side effects from when you put coaches toe ring on from 1987.

He had not taken it off. My mom, my mom was like, I can't believe you put that thing on your foot. Um, Maybe it cursed me. I mean, that's probably why I lost. I mean, you heard it here first.

The toe brain cursed. Don't do it. No, I mean, that was just funny. Agony of defeat. Yeah, literally. That's too good. Defeat. No, I had a lot of fun with coach.

That was, that was interesting. Yeah, I have no doubt. I'm sure you have many more stories. Looking forward to hearing them all someday, Charlie. Very sad. My wife was like, distraught. She was so sure you were safe last night.

And yeah. Her and me both. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Charlie, great to talk to you and hope to see you again soon. Okay.

Yeah. Talk to you soon, Rob. Bye. All right. Really great interview with Charlie. I really meant what I said about Charlie being brave and putting yourself out there. And that's really something with reality TV where, you know, you put your feelings out there and you win the season.

and oh, what a great story. And then you're somebody who it doesn't go great. And then it's so easy for people to turn it around and clown on you. And so I really commend Charlie for going there and taking us in his brain in terms of how he was feeling. And it didn't work out. And he's still here. And I think that that is such a great thing to be able to say like, hey, I took the swing. I went for it. It didn't work. And, you know, I'm still here. I'm still standing. I'm going to keep going. And I just love that lesson. And it's something that I certainly too can relate to. So I feel like it's very powerful whenever I see it in another person. All right. We're going to take a break. When we come back this week in Survivor History, Jordan Kailish will be here with old Chris to do some trivia challenges about, I don't even think we do it about the,

this week's episode, but it's about the players from the season, and we'll do it when we come back right after this. When West Jet first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion, inline skates were everywhere, and two out of three women rocked, the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s,

one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. All right. It's a triple header here today. We did two exit interviews and now we're going to play a little this week in Survivor history with a man who is so excited that his beloved Yankees are back. It's Jordan Kish. Jordan, how are you? I'm doing great. I don't know who scheduled. Yankees opening, opening night the same night as a Survivor episode. But last night at the bar I had both on. I had the survivor on the big screen at the, at the same. St. Pat's Fearing Party and I had the Yankee game on my phone. I think I spent more time focused

on Survivor. Look, this is one of one of 162 for baseball. Well, a lot of people don't know that, of course, Yankees great, Phil Rizzuto scooter that originally they called him Rizgod. That was his name for many, many years in the Yankee faithful. That is true. He was known for Holy cow. Holy cow. And he was known for for his ability, his firemaking ability. So unfortunately, there is got, could have learned from, from Phil Rizzito. Yeah. Okay. And here with us to play, a guy, a contemporary of Phil Rizuto, perhaps, his old Chris is here. Chris, how are you? Rob, it is a pleasure for you to have me here today. Always. You know, I've never been compared in age to, because Phil,

Rizzuto, even when I was a young in seemed like he was a million years old. So it is it's an honor and a privilege to be compared to truly one of the oldest people that I think. I know him more from his work promoting the money store. That's right. Like

in hindsight, maybe they should have looked back at the what was the money store that Phil Rizzuto was telling people to go check out? You know what? It was probably a front for something knowing the New York. We're losing the Gen Z audience, of course. You're losing me. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh, Chris, I don't know what the money store is. Is this a phantom memory that I've made up or was Phil Rosito the spokesperson for the money store? You have no idea what I'm talking about. That is absolutely correct. I remember those commercials.

I remember because I would, you know, when I was a kid, I would watch all the baseball. I would, you know, because I lived in an area of New Jersey where I can get New York

and Philadelphia stations. I'd watch the Mets, the Phillies, the Cubs, the Atlanta team. Was this pre-1990? Yes, this is 1989. This is, this is why, this is why I was, I was, uh, not born yet.

So this is. Yes. Taylor Swift was 1989. That's asked Charlie. All right. Let's get into this week in survivor history. Of course, uh, we will have four categories here from Jordo and the new three point scoring rules, which so far, what do you think mixed bag so far?

You like it? Um, I, I think it makes sense. I think the only issue is the, the, the mystery box question. aren't necessarily always the hardest questions on the quiz. I think it depends. One is ridiculously easy and the other is incredibly complicated and you need a legal pad. That's the issue as far as how I've looked at it. But it's a little bit like, you know, it's a it's a beware advantage.

It's a game. This is a game show. The game shows are in the rules. The rules are consistent. But it's not always necessarily fair. It's based on what they say about game shows, Chris. They always say like, the thing about game shows. knows is that it's not it's not always going to be fair that's you know hey jefferson fun yeah in jeopardy you

might you might get a thousand dollar question that you think is easy and there might be a two hundred question that you think is hard it's uh it's based on what you know so okay uh we'll see what we have today in store what we have today all right the the two player categories we have angeline achille and rick devons and then as always we have the new era mystery box and the old era mystery box Chris, your old Chris, are you going to the old era mystery box or you're going somewhere else? I got to stay on brand. Let's do the old era mystery box. Okay. Who are the only two players on 50 to ever cast a vote against Sandra Diaz Twine? The two players to cast a vote against Sandra Diaz Twine that are on Survivor 50.

Okay. All right. I'm thinking this through because there's only so many people that are able to to say that they've played with Sandra Diaz Twine. So they're, I mean, that immediately eliminates like over half a lot of people. A lot of people. But let me think about this. Ah, geez.

You know, I, my main goal here is not to let Rob get the perfect game because I am one of the dozens of us that love the verbal Rebus. Yeah. So hit me, hit me with the multiple choice. All right. going to the multiple choice.

Is it A, Colby and Aubrey, B, Colby and Ozzy, C, coach, and Aubrey, D, Coach, and Ozzie. I'm going to say, see, I don't think it's Ozzy because I think Sandra and Ozzie, I think, avoided the pre-merge completely. And I feel like Aubrey had some problem. I'm going to say Coach and Aubrey. It is not coach and Aubrey. So Rob, you have a chance to steal two points. Okay. Jordan, my question to you, very tricky, Jordan Kalish, do votes for the winner of a season count in your calculus?

That's a good question. These are votes against the player. So votes for the winner would not count. Okay. I do believe that Ozzy did cast a vote against Sandra. I think believe famously when she got voted out in Survivor Game Changers. I don't know. was there is there an option for

Ozzie and Aubrey? Is that one of the multiple choices? It is not. Okay, good. I'm not going to say that. So could you be the multiple choices that have Ozzy in them? Yes. It's either Colby and Ozzy or Coach and Ozzie.

Those are the two that have Ozzy. Hmm. Now, I don't know if coach cast a vote for Sandra. I think that she was out of the game at the time. That, um,

but I, you know, know what? I'm wondering if in the tribal council where he went home, did he write down Sandra's name because Russell got in his ear? So I'm going to say it's coach and Ozzy. Coach and Ozzy also incorrect. The answer is the exact opposite of what all Chris said. It is Colby and Ozzie. Ozzie voted for Sandra in the Game Changers episode where Sandra was voted out. Colby actually, I believe the only player in Survivor history to vote against against Sandra twice.

One time at the final six in Heroes versus Villains when she played the Idol and then one time at the final five when Colby was voted out. So that is the correct answer. No points on that question. And we are going to go to Rob, but no perfect game.

So, oh, Chris, we did it. We're going to the verbal Revis. I didn't hear if I won or lost. I just didn't want to lose the verbal rebus for the dozens of us at home who are listening to who love it. All right. I'll take the new era mystery box.

All right. New Era mystery box. Which new era player on 50 attended the tribal council in which the goodwill advantage, which allows a player who lost their vote to vote, was used? So it restores a player's vote who lost the vote. Who attended the tribal council in which this goodwill advantage was used? I don't even remember this. You made this up. Is this happens?

This happens. This is, this sounds like a chat GPT question. Yeah, the goodwill advantage? Goodwill advantage. This was, this is the new era mystery box. So it was within the last nine seasons previous to 50. And I could tell you that it was on a season that has people on Survivor 50. And there was somebody at the tribal where this was used.

And it did happen. And it restored somebody's vote who lost the vote. Somebody lost their votes. So the goodwill advantage, if you lose your vote, allows you to vote. I'll take the multiple choice on this. All right. Was it a. D. That's confusing. But A is D. Viodaris. B, Emily, C. Genevieve, D. Joe. And this person was at the tribal in which it was used.

Okay. Okay. So I'll talk Ella. Jordan put two people from Survivor 45, which leads me to believe it's either D or Emily. So I guess you probably get a freebie if I'm wrong on this, Chris. I am going to say, that I'm trying to remember D went to more tribal councils So I'm going to say I'll say it's D It is not D

So Chris you have a chance to steal two points I'll say it's Emily So Emily Flippen This is the tribal council Where Austin gave up his vote to extend his title to turn it into a full powered idol that could be used until the end of the game. And he had the goodwill advantage.

So even though he gave up his vote to extend the idol, he used the goodwill advantage so he could vote. This is the vote where Emily went with the Austin Drew contingent over the Kendra and Brando duo after the swap. So it was Emily Flippin who was there. Chris, you get two points on the steel. It is two zero Chris. And you have control of the board.

What a classic moment in Survivor history. The classic goodwill advantage. The one time used goodwill advantage. they should leave that one at Goodwill Classic moment wrote about that many chapters in the tribe and I have spoken and what a great moment

Did you do you could have There's only one player's used it So you could have put it in your In your what is it? 751 players You could have put it in your tribute to Austin That he used the goodwill advantage Yeah

That's right Okay so I have control of the board And my choices are Angelina and Rick Devons Correct I'm gonna go let's go Angelina. All right. Angelina. Angelina famously did not vote for Natalie at the vote in which the latter was voted out in an attempt to obtain her jacket.

The attempt to gain the jacket was unsuccessful. Who did Angelina vote for at this tribal council? I'm going to say Learza. So Learza, you did not use the multiple choice. This would be for three points. If you get it, you clinch the game. The answer is Learza. So Chris, you get three points.

You have a five zero lead and you have won the game. Wait, how does he give a five zero lead? Because he stole two points on the last question. He just, oh, sorry, no, four zero. Hey, right. Kayla Smith. He's still, he still wins, right? He's, it's four.

So it's four zero. Yeah, that was a, that was a two point. Honest. Yes. First, I think my first scoring mistake of, of this season. Yeah, that is a, that is a two point question. So he gets two from the steel and two from that question without the multiple, without the multiple choice.

All right. So four zero. Rob, you're going to get the Rick Devin's question. This is just for fun here. For fun. During his, is this fun? During his brief stay on the edge of extinction. With Mike White.

Yeah. Mike White was on the last last text interview. There's a whole Reddit thread, by the way, about, about my, the reddit threads like Mike White, but then they're like, what is this twist? What is this twist thing? During his brief Reddit state, Reddits day, Jesus Christ. during it's come on Kaylish during his brief stay on the edge of extinction Devons found an extra vote that had to be given to a player still in the game. Who did he send it to?

I think he did send it to Aubrey. All right. That is correct. So Rob, you do get two points there. You were not shut out four to two. He sent it to Aubrey. I guess I could have asked that question the opposite way to because Aubrey's on the season as well. It could have been an Aubrey question, but I went with Rick Devons.

So four to two and we are going to go to the verbal rebus because it was not a perfect. game. Chris is going to like this. All right. This is the Survivor 47 contestant who did the Ray Lewis stance after winning a challenge. Plus, plus, dude, this edge of extinction and have it and just wanted to dry her tribe mates close minus the 45 contestant on 50, who at least to this point has never won Survivor. And we're looking for the first two letters of her name. She may have come up on this quiz already. Plus the player who was pissed that she didn't get Applebee's and we're looking for the first letter of her name. Plus the chef from the Australian outback who couldn't quite get the rice cooked

correctly. We're looking for the first letter of his name. Plus, Stephen Rahm played Survivor while wearing a hearing blank. All right. So who is the 47 contestant? We'll go to Chris here. The 47 contestant who did the Ray Lewis dance. That's Gabe. That is Gabe, famously from Baltimore. do the edge of extinction contestant who wanted to draw her tribe mates close ream that is ream so now we're doing a minus the first two letters of the 45 contestant on 50 who never won survivor that's emily so you're subtracting the e and the m from the e and the m

plus the first letter of the name of the chef oh sorry sorry skip somebody i skip somebody uh the player who was pissed that she didn't get apple bees and we're looking at for the first letter of her name. That is my fake cousin, Liz Wilcox. Liz Wilcox. So the first letter, we're looking for the L, the chef plus the chef

from the Australian Outback, who couldn't quite get the rice cooked, and we're looking for the first letter of his name. That's Keith or Kay. Keith for Kay, yep. And Stephen Rahm played Survivor while wearing a hearing blank. Aid.

Aid. So put it all together. Who do we have? Gabriel Cade. Gabriel Cade. I see why Chris likes the verbal rievous. He's very good at it. He used to wrap all.

also like Jeff. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah. That is true. He, I remember that as well as I, as you remember the Goodwill advantage.

I do remember that scene now. That's a more memorable scene than, than the Goodwill. I have to say the verbal rebus is a lot easier when I'm in my house and not when I usually listen to this in the car when I'm driving. And it's very hard to game out the rural rebis while you're, while I'm driving home from work. So that is fair.

It's hard. I have the same thing with like B&B game. when I'm trying to play along. When I, I'm usually listening to podcasts when I'm driving. It is sometimes because you're focused on the road. Do you think we've ever had a verbal rebus car crash?

I hope not. I hope not. Someone would say the verbal revis is a, is a car crash. Yes, that might say. Okay. All right. You have won the game.

Do you have anything that you want to tell people to check out? You know what? You should check out my cousin who just recently came back from Italy with his fifth gold. medal. What? Yes. Oh, how was your trip? My trip was amazing. It was a true dream trip to get to see my cousin play live and win that gold medal in sled hockey. His name is Josh Paul's. You can check him out on Instagram, Spuds USA 27. Wow. Wow. You're the good luck charm for Team USA. Well, I mean, they won four previous gold medals without old Chris. This is just the fifth one. So it was a dream vacation.

happy I got to see him when this one, all of our family that came out. Did you get to see anything else in Italy besides Olympic sled hockey? Yeah, we did some sightseeing around Milan. We ate. I mean, we went to, we took a day trip to Bologna,

and we did a food tour. It's the first time I've ever been full of Bologna in a good way. Yeah. But, yeah, it was just a dream vacation to Italy. Sounds like it. I got to see my cousin. Yeah, I heard a podcast once where there were two guys that wanted to rebrand Bologna as Italian salami.

I mean, I don't think you're right. American salami. American salami. I know, but this is Bologna, so it's Italian salami. Okay. Jordan, what's coming up for you? All right. Coming up for me, well, I got the viewing parties, as always.

Next week, I will be in Atlanta. So if you are a fan of Twitch of the Verbal Rebus and you see me in Atlanta, come say hi. I'm very much looking forward to that event. I don't get to travel for the RHAP events a lot. I do always get to go to the ones in New York. So I'm, so I am a little spoiled there.

But Atlanta will be a lot of fun. I can't wait. And yeah, this is, yeah, this season. Yep, poetic justice. This season of Survivor's been,

been great, really enjoying it. And it's more fun when you get to watch at a viewing party with a lot of people. Okay. All right. So thank you, old Chris.

And of course, check out everything we have going on, uh, on Patreon here, where we offer so much more to our listeners of Rob is a podcast to become a part of the Robis of the podcast to become a part of the Robbins Podcast community. We're going to be doing the patron Q&A this week.

I believe we're scheduled to start that one, 6 p.m. Maybe we'll go 7 p.m. So I could maybe grab dinner. Let's, well, maybe we'll, like, six-ish, maybe we'll call it. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care.

We have a good one. Bye.