RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Flashbacks: Coach Wade on Survivor Nicaragua

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

This week, we're flashing back to Coach Wade speaking about Survivor Nicaragua!

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["Celebration of the New Year"] Hey, everybody. What's going on? Rob Cisternino back, and we've got another Survivor 50 flashback for you to listen to as we have been going through all summer long some old school interviews with the old school players from Survivor 50. And I believe this is the most old school interview that is going to be a part of this

series because we're going back 15 years into the archives of Rob's podcast, a rather infamous episode of Rob has a podcast, a rather infamous episode of Rob has a podcast. This was the first appearance that Coach ever made here on Rob has a podcast. It was October 22nd, 2010. It will be 15 years this October. And I got the chance to talk to Coach Wade following his appearance on Survivor Heroes versus Villains

Then only a two-time survivor player and we got to talk about what was going on back in Survivor Nicaragua believe it or not Survivor 21 some 27 seasons ago in Survivor history and now Sam or who's been going back and listening to all these said make sure you tell people that our audio quality Has improved but you know what ever we've all improved hopefully in 15 years So please give us some grace with what this sounds like. This is a memorable episode of Rob is a Podcast and you will understand why as you listen

to what coach had to say in an episode that we called the real coach speaks, which I guess was maybe we were shading Jimmy Johnson, who was a fake coach of maybe or an imposter coach not like this real coach who's about to speak about Survivor Nicaragua back in 2010. Hope you enjoy this latest episode of the Survivor 50 flashback. Alright so I have now on the line a man who needs no introduction but we are gonna give him one anyway. You know him as the coach. You know him as the coach. You know him as the Dragon Slayer. He is known as the Maestro.

And he is the last of the Mohicans. And the star of the new film, 180, Coach Ben Wade. Hello. Man, that was crazy. Coach, how are you? That was amazing. That was the most central I've ever had. I'm sure you've had many.

Well, what can I say, man? You know, I'm a man of a few talents, a little bit efficient, and definitely the last of them on Eakin's. Absolutely. And a one of a kind survivor. And yeah, very excited to be talking with you. This has been one of the more antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most

antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antisiccantive, one of the most antis One of a kind. Absolutely. And a one of a kind survivor. And yeah, very excited to be talking with you.

This has been one of the more anticipated interviews we've ever done on this podcast. So we're very excited. Probably the most anticipated because of the naysayers out there that are ready to throw rotten tomatoes at the coach. Why are there naysayers out there still? Nah, you know what? Everything getting everybody hated me, they all turned around and loved me at the end.

My charms were too irresistible for everybody. Yeah, absolutely. So coach, my question for you is, what was your feeling when you saw that there was another coach this season on the new Survivor? What's your take on coach Jimmy Johnson going on your turf? I'll just say this.

I found out that Jimmy Johnson was there and I thought to myself, there's only one coach. I just hope he gets brought it out early. Not because I had anything against him, but because I thought, man, if he makes it all the way, everybody's going to be calling him coach, coach, coach. And it's like, I'm realistic about it. You know, I had a great run in Brazil. I don't think we're going to get to that in a second, but I had a great run in token chains and you know, I had a pretty good run in Samoa, but I know that, you know, everybody out there in Survivor Land is looking for the next best thing and if another coach were to replace coach, I'd

be long forgotten about. So I was glad that he went out early. I think he was actually pretty cool, played a good strategy that he just wanted to help everybody, but I think he kind of overplayed his cards in the beginning, really trying to sell the fact that he was going to be having everybody else win the million dollars and not him. So I thought it was just a little bit overboard, but I'm glad he got voted out early because we can all say there's only one true coach, one survivor, and that would be Juan. That's right.

Yeah. You don't want to have any of that confusion. I used to be known as Rob Cisterninoino and now people just call me the Rob that sucks. So you definitely don't want to have somebody else who has the same name as you, coach. You're going to have to come up with a different name because you wanted to hear first, I know I'm going to be seeing you again on Survivor. Yeah. So coach, what are your thoughts on this new season? Are you liking this new season?

Yeah, the new season, man, it's really cool. I think that, you know, I think people have, you know, started emerging and I think that people, you know, some of the characters are really coming out. I think Neal is a total nut job, but everything that she says is, is cold. I mean, you know, that's the kind of player that you love to hate. So I think she's, I think she's crazy to learn. Definitely man, her dreams, I can see them having 10 babies together and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, I just want, to know that while I'm interviewing

with you, I'm actually getting in a workout because I'm ready for Survivor 25, Super Duper All Stars. And so I'm actually working out as we speak. Yeah. I was going to ask you, are you driving? What are you doing? What kind of workout are you doing? I'm not driving, man. I was in my car when you first called and now I'm sitting here. I'm actually on the treadmill running.

Wow, Coach, you are... I'm totally running right now. I got the A-line up and I'm going to be kicked out of the gym pretty soon, but at least I'm on them right now. Okay, well, Coach, I've never interviewed somebody while they were exercising before. I actually will take a picture of me on the phone and I will email it to you so that you can post it up so you can see that I was actually working out. You'll start hearing me breathe a little bit and then when the endorphins kick in after

about 10 minutes, we'll be good to go and you'll kind of hear my breathing smooth out. But before we do this interview, I need to ask you some questions about token cheese, man, because I was okay in Samoa. Yes. I was, the legend was forged and created in token cheese, and I heard that you could not watch that season. Well, that is, okay, well, I'm glad you asked me that because in I try to prepare for all

of my interviews that I do. And I knew before I talked to you, I crammed today like I was taking the SATs. I watched almost the entire season. I watched like a couple episodes earlier in the week. I watched 10 episodes of Survivor Token Teens today. You're the man. I freaking love it, dude. I did fast forward through a few of the challenges. I have to full disclosure, and I didn't watch when people went on rewards. I did fast forward through some of that.

So that's awesome. So can I just make it a little, I it's with you right now on air for survivor 27. Cause I know we're playing together. That's amazing that you did that, dude. I thought you were going on survivor 25. I'm just increasing the numbers every time. Just trying to make it catch all in case they think, you know, Oh, survivor 25, that could be an all star and then they don't do it it all-star because they heard it here first. Yeah.

That way I can just throw out some limmings, make some wild booth changes for the rest of the night. So on survivor 36, you heard it here first. Dropsy, Coach Ray, all the way to the end. That's great. Yeah. So coach, I feel like I've been, I've been with you all day then. I love it, man.

Okay. Here's the first question. Okay. This is awesome. I can't believe you did this. Okay. So name the members of the power alliance. Of the which alliance?

Of the power alliance, of the warrior alliance. The warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance.

So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh, the warrior alliance. So that was, uh of the power alliance. Of which alliance? Of the power alliance, of the warrior alliance. The warrior alliance. So that was you and Tyson and JT and Steven and I guess Debbie was in there technically, right? Oh man, you're good. Okay. Which reward challenge did I say? you better believe it, baby, as I won the individual

immunity challenge? Well, I remember when you won the individual immunity. I did fast forward through a few of the reward challenges. I liked it. Yeah, so which one did I get individual immunity on? Now you're really making me think. I watched the whole season today. I hear you clicking through the internet right now.

Trying to really find the answer. What did you do? Was it with the, with the balls that you had to like get them? I'll say that, right? It was like, yeah, the grappling hook, right? And then you got through the ball maze. I think you just got to that episode. Okay. That was good. Um, last question. I mean, you're totally, you're totally golden. Um right. Let's see. What episode, you won't get this one, was actually named, the first time this has ever happened, was actually named after my character, the Dragon Slayer.

What episode was it? What episode number wise? Yeah. Was it the eight nine was it? Actually, I have a good good some questions about your you're you being a dragon slayer Let's talk about you. You know you ended up Who is this guy Brandon Brendan? That was the dragon? Coach he you still there? Yeah, can you hear me? Oh yeah. Oh, I lost you for a second. So who is this?

So what about him? So what was his name? Brandon? Yeah, Brandon. Yeah. And so why don't people talk about this guy as one of the biggest survivor idiots that there ever was? He got voted out with

the immunity idol and nobody ever talks about this. I think it was because he was so overshadowed by the emergence of the Dragon Slayer. Yes. I mean, seriously, he was a good player. I mean, he was a good competitor. He came up with the Eggdoll Alliance and my character started emerging and he was just totally, I think he was just totally overshadowed by that. Yeah. But you would think that he is the aforementioned dragon that you slayed by proxy.

I would think that he would be notable that you would, I would have heard of him before I went through this. That's pretty funny. Well, you know what? I think that he just, yeah, he just, you know, it's so funny because, you know, you watch Survivor and there are so many characters while you're watching the season and everybody knew about them during the season. But after it's gone, people only remember one or two, maybe

three people from that season. And as time goes on, you know, two, three, four years down the road, they only really remember one. If they do that. So I guess, I mean, it's cool that I overshadowed them. I didn't realize it at the time I was playing a pretty, a pretty bonehead game in terms of strategy. I didn't have any strategy. I just wanted to take the strongest to the end, you know, play the game nobly and audibly and all that kind of stuff. So I didn't really have that big of a strategy. Brendan comes along just tracing down the front row's path perfectly for me and Tyson and everybody to kind of set him up for this big fall at the time. It was a huge blindside. We had the boat stacked and it was pretty awesome.

That was pretty awesome. He slipped away into oblivion. He did. What kind of business? He kept saying about his businesses. What kind of business did he have? He was the guy that founded Baron naked granola. Oh, okay. Yeah. He was pretty heavy hitter out there in the corporate world.

He had a good idea, ran with it and was very successful, but that's the main business. Now he does a lot of consulting for a lot of different people. So maybe people talked about him as being one of the... because you talk about like, oh, James, he was so dumb, He got voted out with the immunity idol. But this guy, he gets a pass. Did he get a publicist to erase all the records of this? I think almost because it really wasn't his stupidity. I mean, sometimes with James, there was one person that duped him and said, don't play

the idol. But with Brendan, it was such a crafty blind side. All the votes were split. I think that that might be one of the reasons why as well that people don't really remember it and him being stupid just because it wasn't really stupidity. It was really just a good move on our part to get them out of the game. Yeah. That was really good.

That was a real scramble then after the merge. Oh yeah, absolutely. That's good. That's my favorite part of Survivor, right after the merge and when it's a big scramble and anything can happen. It gets really haywire. And you know, if it were predictable and if it were, oh, 7-3, 10 beer or whatever, let's just vote them out one after another. That would

make for bad TV. And I guarantee you that the producers would not allow that. They would be trying everything that they could to try to pit people against each other, which is their job. And, you know, trying to get that mad scramble after the merge. That's why there's so many different, you know, twists and turns now in the game because everybody's become much more savvy in the game of Survivor. And so I think that's why they keep conveying these twists and turns and exile and double exile and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, coach, how about this for a what if moment? Let me know, do people ask you about this? As I was watching this and I watched the whole thing play out, what if Jerry doesn't get sick from the beans? How different does the game turn out for you personally? When I, you know, when I watched that episode, it was the one episode that I got really pissed during my, there's always one episode. Everybody that's ever played survivor is delusional enough to think, Hey, I could have won the game. And they tell all their friends back home, you know what, if this hadn't happened, this would have happened.

XYZ, I would have had six people. I would have had five people on the jury, six people in my Alliance, and I would have won this game. That's what everybody always says. Coach, that's what this podcast is all about. Coach, that's what this podcast is all about. Exactly. So you know what? There came that moment both in Brazil and also in Samoa. So the Brazilian moment of what just happened there was when Jerry was sick and I was making an empty, you know, it's showing on the online episodes, I was making an empty, I was asking

him to just make it through the night. And at that point in time with new survivors, you know this for the first, you know, the first 10 days, nobody's really playing the game. They think that they're playing the game and they're making alliances, but they're not really thinking like, say Marty was thinking this year in the very beginning, this is how I'm gonna play and this is why and so people were really nice nice

out there and so Jerry was sick and I started I started telling people look do not vote him out let him quit let him quit tonight but we have to get Aaron out of here and Jerry began telling people when the cameras weren't on, he said, guys, you need to do me honor. I fought in Afghanistan and I need you guys to vote me out with honor. Just vote me out. I don't want to quit. Quitting is a disgrace.

And I told the guys, I told everybody, I told Sierra, Brendan, Tyson, I said, don't write his name down because he can quit or whatever, but we have to get out and out. So nobody did it. They were like, no, we got to let him leave the locker. And I love Jerry and everybody liked Jerry. He was a really cool guy. But you're right.

If he hadn't gone home, if Aaron had gone home at that time, it would have been a much, much different game down the road. Was Jerry tightly aligned with you? Could you have counted on him or was he more with the other side? Jerry and Tyson were locked solid. Jerry tolerated Brendan. He did not like Sierra, but with that he liked Debbie. And so with that core, you take Aaron out of the equation. When it came down to the time where Stephen and JT started getting squirrely and Debbie was getting squirrely,

Dyson would not have been voted out because they wouldn't have gotten Aaron. Aaron was a swing vote in that end of Tyson blindside. So Dyson wouldn't have gotten home and then you would have had us guys and we probably would have gotten rid of, who knows to keep JT. I did want to play with JT, so I would have tried to keep him as long as I could.

But eventually, we would have probably ended up holding him out. So yeah, it would have been a very tight group of people there. Jerry and me and Debbie and Tyson, we bonded on the very first day. Yeah, that was where the whole game changed, that shuffleboard game in the rain. And you guys really looked like you were absolutely miserable. I mean, I don't think people understand how the really the worst, worst part of survivor is when it's raining and you guys looked absolutely horrible when Stevens eating the pizza. He looks like he's like shivering and eating.

It's terrible. And that was the whole game change. Yeah. Yeah, totally. You know, I mean, the net boat right there, when Tyson went out, I mean, we were all, you know, pretty shocked. We had no idea that day. We were just hoping that Sierra wouldn't win immunity. And of course, that just showed us, you know, how stupid we were not thinking about the different variables thinking, well, everybody's sick of CRF camp. Everybody was sick of CRF and she was the obvious choice to go. We didn't suspect them blindsiding Tyson on that one for sure. Yeah.

And then now I have a what if moment for you from Heroes versus Villains from a similar point in the game. I think that the what if moment for you in that game is that you guys got rid of Randy and he was the only one saying get rid of poverty and if you know one or two more you guys could have got Boston Rob on board or whoever that's a totally different game for you to if Randy is there instead of poverty. Yeah, I think that... I think there was actually a couple of them in Samoa. Samoa, I felt that the chances of me winning were actually greater than in the first season because you had a lot of people on the Heroes Tribe like Colby and Tom and Stephanie LaGrosse and Rupert that wanted to try to play honorably. And if I had gotten to the merge, even though Tom and Stephanie were not there, there was a lot of people on the other tribe

that wanted to play with me. And I think that I would have had a better chance of winning. So there was a couple of moments. The first one was, yeah, with Randy. I mean, you know, Randy, Randy was a guy that was gonna be loyal. He was not a threat. Yeah. And people not a threat. Yeah.

And people are absolutely idiots. Bob Thirough, idiot, to say, no, we're going to try to keep the tribe strong. See the problem with half of those people on an All-Star, you've got to play like an All-Star and you have to think in the very beginning, this is we're gonna play we have to think strategically forget about winning challenges so to speak I mean yeah you want to keep the tribe strong forget about that forget about wanting to win rewards all we have to do is get the people out that are dangerous the people that want to get to the merge are gonna play with the other tribe yeah and so handy was such a loyal vote and I talked to Vosra

Robb and I talked to Tyson and I begged those guys and as I said on the show, I'm going to fight for Randy, you know, till the last breath that I have in me before tribal. And I talked to everybody begging them, don't go it out Randy, Poverty is a great, great player. And she proved it by getting to the end. And you know, poverty proved it by playing more days than anybody else has played. So I was really disheartened by that. And once Randy went, you know, then it was kind of like, okay, how are we going to divide it?

The second defining moment came, of course, when, you know, Tyson did not vote like he should have. Oh, yeah. And, you know, then, you then that was, and voted himself out. I mean, that was even more so the defining moment because at that point we still had the cards aligned and had Tyson have done that, then Russell would have gone home

and we would have had a very tight alliance. I think that Bosser, Robbie and Tyson, they didn't show it, but we had what was called the Soldier Alliance. And I really think that that would have been hard to break. We had Courtney and Sandra to kind of soften it on the front line. And then we could have played with a lot of people on the other tribe. Yeah, absolutely.

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Some regional exclusions apply. Learn more at TurboTax.ca slash business tax. You know, this was something else that struck me as I was watching, going through this token team set. It seems like there was a lot of people that were worried about, oh, Parvati's played with Amanda before, and Amanda's played with James before,

but it didn't seem like anybody was really too concerned that, hey, coach and Tyson have played before, and they were good friends before. Was it just not shown on TV where people threatened at all by the fact that you and Tyson were not only on the same season, but in the same tribe and had a big alliance together? Yeah, that was totally known. And it was talked about a lot out there.

I think out there, everybody is paranoid, as you know. And also, Pete, the brilliance of the casting for this show, not leaving you out of it, obviously you should have been there. Oh, thank you, coach. Okay. Obviously that was the one mistake that they made in casting, but the brilliance of the casting was this. You want to target winners, but who do you target? Because there's quite a few winners. You want to target the people that have pre-game alliances from other seasons like Tyson and I, et cetera, et cetera. Well, wait, there's so many of those.

Then you want to target the people that have strong alliances once you're out there. But wait, I mean, there's so many different variables, especially in this season, that it's almost like what's the lesser of all the Eagles? You really don't know. I mean, at that time, we didn't know that Russell was the greatest of all evils. And so we were thinking about poverty. We were thinking about Santa. We were thinking about, you know, I'm sure the other tribe was thinking about Tom was

a winner and Rupert was a million dollar winner and all this other kind of stuff. So there's so many variables in that heroes and villains. You really didn't know at times who to target first or second or third. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a million, that was such a crazy season without, you know, there were so many twists and turns. And I think that, you know, you get people who really know how to play the game together

and you get a season like that was last season where it was so many twists and turns where this season has not been as many twists and turns except for possibly out of stupidity. And I wanted to ask you about last night, what happened there when they had this tie vote? It looks like they're going to get Marty and then they decide to vote off Kelly B because she has one leg. Oh man, that's a good question. You know, I think that, you know, I was kind of scratching my head about that because you've

got Marty, there might have been another, you never know, there might be another flop, there might be a merge. I know it's too many numbers at this point, but anything's possible. And I think that what the remaining tribe was thinking, the big alliance there, it's five to two. If it's four to two next week, we could still get one of those two guys. And I think, you know, unfortunately, Marty and Jill are in a lot of trouble for next week because if they lose a challenge, then it's what, four to two on that side, five to two. So they're in a huge minority. Yeah. So I think that that's what they were thinking.

And Kelly B, lover, but she just never seemed like she fit into somebody. I don't know if it was her personality. I don't know if people were just that threatened that she had one leg, that they were just scared to death if she made it all the way to the end. But that's a girl to me that would team, if you take her under

her under your wing, she would be a very well vote. She's the kind of girl that would stick with you for a long way. But of course, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Yeah, coach. She seemed like the sweetest person. She didn't seem like she said boo to anybody. And nobody, nobody liked her. And they were so worried she was going to get to the end. How is she getting to the end? She has no friends. Why did they have to get rid of her over Marty, who's so dangerous? I know, you know, the Grand Master chess player, which was one of my absolute favorite moves at the season was when Marty said, the Grand Master chess player, and he threw out that

tennis player. Marty's from Argentina. I coached in Argentina. I know a lot of Argentina people and soccer players. And that line was just absolutely hilarious. You're right. He is the more dangerous one. And I think that they would have been smarter.

Somebody had to have been smarter than that to just say, Kelly B, this is what's going on. You're getting voted out tonight. I want you to be loyal to me and let's make an alliance within an alliance. And that's really, I think what they should have done. But there's got to be something that we didn't see because you're right. She didn't say boo to anybody and yet she really never seemed like she fit in. Is it possible that maybe she's a jerk and they just don't want to, they don't want to depict her that way? Is that possible? No, but you know,

it's only the you and I have ever had to live life with one leg. Maybe it makes you a little bit more introverted or maybe it makes you a little bit odd. I don't know, but obviously, that must have been something that struck people the first day. You know, those first impressions are pretty powerful. She seems so nice. By the way, I'm still running. I've run for 14 minutes and 43 seconds. How's my pulse? Is the endorphins kicking in yet?

Or am I still a little bit out of breath? It's amazing. 1443 and what's the distance? What is it? I'm trying to look at it here. Total strides, 2,352. 2352. I would have to let go of the phone in order to check that. Let me make a distance. No, hold on. Here we go. Hold on. I can just scroll down. Hold on. Hold on. I've only done 1.75

miles. So that's actually not that good. Don't fault me for that time. I'm actually focused on talking to you instead of kicking ass on the treadmill over here. Well, you're kicking ass on the interview and on the treadmill. So, you know, some people couldn't even do the interview or the treadmill at one time. Well, whatever. Now you're picking up to me for that alliance on Survivor 56. Wow. Survivor 56. Did they have a robotic Jeff Probst then by that point? It'll be wheelchair versus walking st.

There's something about walkers, right? Yeah. That'll be pretty good. So then what's with this other tribe on this new season where they've got this one guy, Dan, who doesn't even, he goes back and forth. He doesn't even want to be there. We don't even know why he's on the show. And then they've got this girl Eve, who seems like she's a, you know, a little feisty. She wants to stay in there.

Coach, what's your take on people who are wanting to quit the game? Okay. That's two questions you're talking about, Dan. People don't want to quit the game. So first of all, one of the funniest lines that he said this season was, dude got ailments. I don't know if Randy said that when he was doing the interview, but he was like, dude got ailments. And he does. I mean, the guy, I said that I was like, get out of here already is what I said on the power rankings two weeks ago. This last week, I said, this guy's like a dingleberry, like a chode that sticks out of your ass. It just

won't go away. You think he's about ready to exit and he doesn't. Well, guess what? You heard it here first on my dollar rankings for next week. I'm gonna say he's gone from a plane lawn to a hemorrhoid. He's fricking annoying as hell that he's still lingering around. It's painful, it hurts, but man, let me tell you something, that guy is not going anywhere. If he's made it this far,

dealing with the ailments, he's still gonna be rocking and rolling long after. Half these people are still there. I don't understand it. It's pretty crazy. So that's my opinion of Dan. I'm going to ask him for a ride in a Ferrari. I want to see him. I can respect the man who pays $700 for a pair of Valley shoes, but not $1400 for a pair of alligator shoes. I spent the money on some suits. You know, I coach college soccer and I do have 30 suits because I want to wear a different one for every game.

So I can respect the man that spends money on calls, but not that much on alligator shoes, but maybe I can talk to him about his Taylor. Anyways, we'll hope he goes the way of the dirt or soon, but you heard it here. I don't think he's going anywhere now on the people that are quitting. You know, I think it's, I think it's some foreshadowing. I talked about this, you know, with the King of the Bone, we watched Survivor together. Everybody knows Randy Bailey and I are kicking it up here

in Susanville, in California. And so we were talking about, you know, the episode. And I think that on Survivor, everybody talks about quitting, maybe not everybody, but a lot of people do, especially the legal ones. And you know, let's do top, let's do this, let's do that. And sometimes it's just to kind of blow off steam. Sometimes it is, you feel like you're pushed to your breaking point. But everybody talks about it now. They do not show that, like they've been showing it this year, because seriously, they can break the whole show in on Survivor Samoa.

Courtney. That was our alumni. Paulie. Sandra. Tyson. Randy under a tree hypothermia where we really bonded. He's we get hypothermia and he's just like, survivor, we made your boy. He's just like, lost his mind and then just started laughing hysterically. You saw what was that guy's name? Uh, in 19 water polo player.

Just like, uh, like a, like a crumbling, laughing idiot. One show you can do a whole show on people saying, this is making the best, this is, this is getting the best of me or whatever. Now. Cause then everybody says it, but they're doing it this year for a reason. And I don't know why. I don't know if it's because people are going to quit down the road and they're showing the amount of people that have talked about quitting. That's option A option B.

They just want to show that survivor is a real deal. And they're trying to ratchet it up a notch or C there's not enough storyline with some of the mediocre players that are on the season and they're trying to ratchet it up a notch. Or C, there's not enough storyline with some of the mediocre players that are on the season and they're trying to fill it up. I don't really know. Or maybe they just started a bunch of red herrings out there so we think this person's going and I can lose in the power ranking challenge.

I don't know, that's ABC and D right there for you. I believe the clinical term is crybabyitis. If you were to ask your hero, Boston Rob Rob, crybabyitis, there you go. So many different things I could grab onto in that last quote, but let me go back to you and the King of Gabon, Randy. What are the chances of a you and Randy amazing race team? Is this a possibility? The K and coaches

daily interactions You would be signing us up for some type of television show because it is pure comedy But so opposite in so many ways and And so who knows? Amazing race. The king and I, the slayer and the exile king, and Susan Bell, who knows what's going to happen. But I got to tell you, if something gets picked up, it would be pretty funny. We make quite, everybody always says, we make quite the odd couple. Obviously, letting all the single ladies know out there, I am totally heterosexual,

there's nothing wrong with homosexuals, but Shandy and I are not a couple in that way. People do say you guys look like the odd couple, so there you go. Well, I was gonna have to ask you, Coach, I'm gonna have to get it out here right now, are you gay? But thanks for you were able to settle that. Yeah, I'm sure you were really asking that. Well, those people that know me, they talked

to me for five seconds, they were not as straight as they are. Yeah. Well, you're not from New York after all either. Well, whatever. I'm not even stepping into that channel. Well, that's what Shannon from Survivor had said. That is what he allegedly said. We all know how we can get Thomas Needles out of us when we're through the tribal council. That is true. You know, I would settle for a YouTube channel with you and Randy. I'll see what we can work on.

Okay. Well, that's good. What do you want the name of it to be? The name of it? I like the king and I, but I feel like you got to put Coach in there somewhere. Let me kick some ideas around and then I'll email you guys if I come up with anything. Okay. Gotcha.

All right. Coach, so many different directions that I want to go. I got to know about this 180 film. Tell us about what this is going on. I've watched the trailer and I have to say I can't wait. Just tell us all about what this movie is about, how this came to be, and when we can finally be able to see it. Okay. 180 is a film about this rock star.

His name is Gavin Larson. Delusional, fool, you know, living in the 80s, had a one hit wonder band. His band died in a plane crash. He's trying to find redemption and resurrect the life that he once had and try to go out in the blaze of glory. So that's kind of the premise of the show. I got the part of Gavin Lawson, the old rock legend or whatever in his own mind, rock legend. And we filmed it this last year, this year actually in June.

Man, it was awesome. You know, I just, I feel really blessed. I mean, all humility. I know sometimes I put on the, you know, the dragon slayer act and as Randy says, there's coach, but I'm on the field and on the symphony podium. There's a dragon slayer when I start doing the interviews and start doing television and turn into Gavin Larson. And then there's just, you know, Ben Wade, Ben Wade, Ben Wade's just a regular guy that, you know, it's humble. I know you find that hard to believe, but you know, I'm just a regular guy that, you know, is humble. I know you find that hard to believe,

but you know, I'm just a regular guy. And I really feel in all honesty that I've really been blessed in life. You know, God has given me an incredible amount of opportunities, you know, from trumpet playing when I was younger and kayaking and coaching and starting a symphony and starting a music academy and going out to a Viper and now filming a movie.

And I just have had these great opportunities and you just gotta take them one at a time and just totally embrace them. It might be the wrong timing. It might be, survival was the wrong timing for me. It might be an inconvenience. It might cost you whatever, an inconvenience, it might cost you whatever time, money, relationships. But when that door opens, you know, I do a lot

of public speaking and I tell people when that door of opportunity opens, whatever it is, whenever it is, wherever it is, you don't peek through the door to see what's on the other side, you kick it in with both feet and you jump through to see what life has in store for you. So I just feel blessed that I could work on this movie. It was going to be coming out in December. They wanted it to be absolutely dynamite. So they've actually pushed back the premiere to February of 2011. So I will be blazing on for the big screen in 2011. All right. Now, Coach, did you have anything to do? Did you produce or write this movie

or this was just a movie that you were acted in? Yeah. They came to me and just said, well, here's how they did it. I met this guy on the plane. His name was Randy Evans and he's in Springfield, Missouri. I met him on a plane. He'd never watched Survivor. He watched it, loved what he saw. His best friend was producing this movie, 180. And so my casting call was to meet this guy,

the director and the writer, William Price III, and to meet him in LA. And so I meet him in LA and he's sitting there watching me kind of walk through, I've got the samurai hair, do whatever. And I'm walking through this crowd in LA and everybody's looking at me. So he's kind of looking to see people's reaction to me.

And so basically my casting was, looking at the script, but really just kind of my interaction with other people. He wanted to see if I could pull off, you know, this kind of rock and roll guy that thinks that he's the man. Therefore, people around him kind of say, I don't know who this is, but he kind of acts like he's the man. And so I kind of showed him that. And then when Eros and Villains came out and they saw me giving redemption, then it was just a slam dunk. So no, I didn't write it. I didn't produce it.

You know, I just acted. I did have another movie that I was in called Isabel that I filmed in Maine back in April. So that was kind of a good supporting role, lead up, tune up to this main role. I mean, the thing is with this movie, there's, you know, I don't know how many scenes there are, but I'm in every scene except for two.

It's very, it's very heavy, kind of like the Big Lebowski type comedy. And I'm kind of like the dude in the Big Lebowski where I'm in almost every single scene. So I really had to, you know, study and work on the script and a lot of the movie success. I'll either be the hero or the killer on this one because a lot of the movie's defense is going to depend on whether or not I can act. Who knows if I can?

I just went out there and had fun and tried to get into the script. Well I can't wait to see it. I have to say I'm watching the trailer and I see, is that Danielle DiLorenzo is in this movie also? It is indeed. Now, do you have a love scene with Danielle DiLorenzo in this film? Well, you know, I mean, here's the thing.

I had a crush on Danielle, drag heroes and villains. And I thought, well, here's one way I can make sure that I make out with her, is if I get assigned onto this movie. That's not really how it went, but I thought that would be kind of a funny story. You didn't laugh loud enough for me to actually go on and actually make the leap.

I didn't want to stop you. I'm going to have to give you round two. Come on. We were looking for a part. They actually had somebody and just unaware of my thought, you know what? I'm going to have her read the script. And so we were in May. I mean, the cast had already been casted for this movie. We're filming in June. And in May, I said to Danielle, you know what? You got to remind me of a sexy, no-nonsense type of manager,

you know, business woman kind of person that will be my manager in the film. And so I gave him the script, I had to read it. I said, let's just go through it. And we went through it in the hotel room right before the finale if he wasn't done. And I called the producers and said, stop. Whoever you have for Tuesday, which is the name of the character, whoever you have for Tuesday, put her to Jocelyn, who is another one of my lovers in the movie, put her to Jocelyn and put Danielle to Tuesday. You have to. So they did a casting thing with her and loved her as well. And so that's how she was

cast for the film. And so, and you do have a makeout scene with Danielle? I've got a makeout scene with a few ladies in that movie. Yes, we have a very nice scintillating chemistry Latin scene with Danielle and I. Now coach, it's not like one of these Brian Heideck movies, is it? It's not one of those movies, right? No, I swear it's not. Actually, they really want to make it like VG13, and so we had to kind of keep the up and down more than we wanted to.

But yes, it's definitely not one of those films. Now who is a better kisser? Double D, Danielle DLorenzo or Jerry? Jerry, man, the other girl that was in the film. Not Jerry that was in the army. Who is a better kisser? A better kisser, man, I gotta say, this is something I'm gonna just tell you right now,

because obviously chemistry can develop from like an onscreen romance, but then it's definitely the case. But if you have a bottle of scotch, let's say 21 year old Iowa Jewelers superstition, very rare, about 400 bucks a bottle, at least if you buy it over here, you can get it cheaper through warehouses.

But let's just say you think that bottle is scotch. You're supposed to look at it like you look at a woman. You're supposed to look at it, smell it, and taste it, but make yourself wait. And it's that anticipation of that first taste that really tantalizes the taste buds. Is it going to be worth it? So a lot of people have asked me, you know, what is it like to make out with somebody, you know, on screen? Forget about the people that are around. That

doesn't bother me. I just, you know, you can easily block them out. But the difference between kissing somebody when it's in the script and kissing somebody outside of the script is that even if you know that you're gonna, you know, I don't wanna say own the girl, but you know what I'm saying? You gotta own the moment, let's say. Yeah. There's still that possibility that it's not gonna happen

or that you're gonna go into the kiss and you're not gonna actually make out. Maybe it's just gonna be a peck. On screen, it's a foregone conclusion. So all of the foreplay, so to speak, all of the guessing, the tantalization is thrown out of it. And you just know that you're going to make out with this person. So you know, I wasn't really, I wasn't really feeling it.

I got to tell you, I wasn't really feeling it. I'd much rather get somebody off the street than to kiss somebody in the script if that makes sense. The short answer is Jerry Manthe is a better kisser than Danielle DiLorenzo? Is that what you're saying? You were trying to give me a hot water right now, man. I'm not letting you know that one, man. I'm leaving the film. All right.

I love all the ladies out there that I've kissed. How's that? Yeah. Okay. What about that with Jerry on the heroes versus villains? Was that, you know, it wasn't really clear on the show. Was that a real romance? Was it a showmance?

Was it just a flirtation? We're getting married next week. I don't know if you heard. We're just going to have fun. Oh! Exploring dark controversies in my life. We're getting married next week. I don't know if you heard, we're just gonna have fun. Oh!

Exploring direct photography season, my captain is gonna be my best man, King is gonna be the little groom's boy. No, actually, you know, it's kind of funny. You go out there, you're not looking for romance. A lot of sexy girls out there. And Jerry really struck me with somebody that was different, eclectic, beautiful. You know, I liked her fierce independence. I liked her, you know, her, you know, I liked that she was different. So we totally hit it off.

And then all of a sudden the people started talking, boss and Rob, you guys shouldn't sleep together. You guys shouldn't do this. Tyson, dude, you gotta be careful. You got a target on your back. People telling us nonstop, you guys shouldn't sleep together. You guys shouldn't do this. Tyson, dude, you gotta be careful. You got a target on your back. People telling us nonstop, you know what? This is bad news. You guys are gonna get voted out.

Don't have the romance. And so, you know, by the time we got off the show and we went to the finale, that should be kind of sealed. But I would imagine if I had gotten voted off first, if she had gotten voted off second, yes, that would have happened. But if we had gotten voted off first, if she had gotten voted off second, that would have happened. But if we had been voted off immediately, would we have pursued the romance? Absolutely. Yeah. Well, Boston Robb shouldn't really be talking about, you shouldn't be trying to

date a girl on Survivor. I'll be honest with you. Boston Robb is sitting there after the camera does this dodgy, dizzy effect, is if Boston Rob Rob collapses on the ground. You then flash forward to a scene of boss and Rob laying with his legs folded together on the ground and his shoes are lying neatly beside his head. His head is tucked under or tucked over his shirt, which is folded up into a pillow,

and his hat is down around his eyes, taking a little nap. And when he wakes up, he says, I'm done with the game, I'm ready to quit. Boss and Rob is notorious for calling the pot calling the kettle black. Rob was the original quitter on Survivor Samara and everybody talked him into staying.

He then tried to quit again. And this time broke down in tears and everybody talked him into staying. He then tried to quit again and this time broke down in tears and everybody talked him into staying. I'm talking about the producers. And then here's all Coach Wade out in a very sentimental moment and the world wants to cruise. But anyway, Boxer Robbins is notorious for doing things and then criticizing other people for doing the exact same thing that he's doing. Well, the symptoms of crybabyitis are very many and these things happen allegedly and that's survivor. That's right.

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a do over in how that all went down? That's a pretty commonly asked question. I've asked that a lot. And it was a tough moment for me. I literally, I thank those guys. I thank both of them. Russell, Rob, please just meet, I'll be the mediator. Please just meet and let's figure this thing out

and make the tribe strong and get a new alliance. And you know, that's the thing in survival, you gotta adapt and you gotta be able to grow with the punches and you have a plan A, but you also have a plan B and C and you got to be ready to adjust to the plan. So I'm sorry, I just got distracted because I just went 30 minutes and the damn thing shut off.

So I got to start all over again. Now I won't be able to give you a good time. You've given us where you got so far and then we can add it to the last numbers you gave us. Love it. Okay, good. So, you know, but all in all, I wish I would have done that again differently. Not really, because Bosselopp did it to himself.

I mean, he was very much an obtuse, stubborn, bullheaded, pigheaded player, and he just didn't have what it took. Now if he ever goes and plays a game again, you know, then he might be better. I don't know. But you know, he was really unfortunate. You know, I loved his game play. I loved the guy. I loved playing with him and, you know, he just didn't have what it took for it all saw the idol was something that was totally, you know, um, blindsiding him so to speak.

He didn't know how to play with that. So that was kind of tough. You know, I have to admit though, that when I watched this last episode of survival and they tied it up, I kind of, I kind of wish that I would have told Jerry, you know, cause nobody wanted to go to the tie. And Jerry's really the one that screwed that whole thing up. But, you know, I, I should have told her, you know what? Um, we're going to, I'm going to tie it up and you can do whatever you want to do, but you better vote for Russell the second time through. When I was watching

Marty and now he had the balls that the dragon slayer did not have to tie everything up. Yeah. It was like, wow, that's what I should have done. So anyway. Well, I want to talk about both sides about this, about the Marty and Brenda side of it. And I do want to just finish talking about all of this. Did you guys ever consider thinking of voting out poverty there? I know it was all like Russell Robb, Russell Robb, but did like, was there any consideration? I think you was all like Russell, Rob, Russell, Rob, but did like, was there any consideration? I think you, you wanted to get rid of poverty, right?

I wanted to get rid of her from the very first time because I respected her as a player and knew that she would be dangerous. Yeah. Like at that point when Rob, you know, it's Rob versus Russell, Rob versus Russell, does Russell have the idol? You know, I just feel like if you, if Boston Rob could have been convinced to vote for poverty there, even after Tyson goes home, then you know, that solves the problem that Jerry wants to get rid of poverty, you want to get rid of poverty, and then he ends up staying in the game and you guys have the numbers. Would you just say Russell versus Robb right there?

Because I don't know if that was a four-year flip, but you never voted for your father. Anyway, I think that there was absolutely no way in hell that Boston Rob, after his manhood was questioned and threatened by Russell, there is absolutely no way that Boston Rob would have voted for anybody else for the next 16 Tribals than Russell, guaranteed. There was absolutely no way to change Boston Rob's mind to not vote for Russell. We could have tied that thing up 10 times and Russell would have,

Boston Rob would have voted for Russell every single time. Yeah. I think a little flexibility there might have been in Boston Rob's best interests. Well, as I told everybody, you know, when they tried to blame me right after I got voted off, oh, you know, you were the only one that called Boston Rob to get voted out. And I said, no, Boston Rob. That was the reason why Boston Rob got voted out. And I gave him many options, many different ways to play after Tyson got voted out. And the only way that he wanted to play was to vote off Russell. And that shows at that time how Russell was a better player than Rob,

because I talked to Russell, meet with me and Rob and Russell said, I'll be with him. Even though he didn't like him. And I'm sure it would not have stuck to the Alliance. Russell was smart enough and to have the pretense to actually go out there and play the game and meet with Rob and try to come to a common understanding for one vote or two votes or however many we could do. Yeah. He is very crafty that Russell Hans.

He is very crafty. He's very crafty. Now, do you see any similarities in what you went through with Boston Rob and Russell having this big feud with each other between, you know, what's going on this season where you have this tribe, we have these two power players, Marty and Brenda in one tribe. Is there a coach among that group that can somehow try to bridge the gap between these two? I will answer that question after I say it. Either Rob or Russell's name is mentioned again, this interview will be terminated.

Anyway, moving forward and talking about the new Tribe, Brenda is a power player, even though she comes off as very sweet and flirty. She's definitely my favorite player of the season. My second favorite player is Marty then probably Naonka not in a positive way but in somebody that you love to hate because her soundbites are just amazing but um I don't think that you know when you're playing the game that first time and you draw that line it's like with Kelly B why did she really get voted off? Because she wasn't in the original alliance with Brenda and all those other girls. So, you know, she was an outsider and she was going to stay an outsider. I think it was

the lines are drawn and just like with Dan, we're not seeing stuff, you know, he might be coming up to the kids and, you know, really getting in their back pocket quickly. But you know, the lines are drawn and I don't see a coach out there getting everybody together. I think that the lines are divided four to two. Marty and Jill are on the outs. I think on the other drive, you know,

you've got Eve that was on the outs and you know, in that drive, I think Alina is gonna be on the outs. I think she's on that drive too. And she, yeah. She is. And then Neon outs. I think she's on that track too. Yeah. She is. If Neonca doesn't quit on us, she'll be a reality goal for another four or five episodes.

But I think eventually she's going to get her comeuppance as well. You can't be that mean and get to the end unless you're, wait, I almost said his name. I won't say it. Okay. Let me ask, how about this? Could Fabio potentially be the person that is able to somehow make peace between Marty and Brenda? I think Fabio's got a great chance at winning the game because he's so stupid to not make

alliances. You know, he literally, Marty can come up to him and say, you know what, Fabio, I'm a girl. I don't want to flirt with you. Fabio is going to be like, really? Yeah, man, actually, this beard is fake. I got it from the producers makeup. And Fabio would say, okay, man. And then, you know, Brenda would come up to him and say, Fabio, I love you. You're my soulmate. And Fabio would say, okay. So he's really not intentionally like Sandra plays and not me vote.

But I really think that Fabio is on track to go all the way in this game, just because he's not threatening. He just goes with the flow. Nobody sees him as somebody that's gonna have any brain power to make him a hidden alliance. He's probably too dumb to lie, too horrible to lie. And I'm not saying this in a negative way. I love a kid.

He's like that. He's actually, you know what he's like? He's like a limmy in Mice and Mimics. I love this. He's totally like those, and he's just just so vulnerable because he just doesn't have a harmful bone in his body. It's great. I love it.

Yeah. Now who has cooler hair, you or Fabio? Fabio, because it's not turning gray. Okay. That's a turning gray. Okay. That's a fair answer. I don't know what my first season of survival, I went through two seasons and my hair started turning gray.

But I think that nothing can beat the samurai look, man. I have so many variations of that. That beats Fabio's hair. But I think at this moment, Fabio's rocking it. I heard you invented the samurai look. I love you, man. You totally lost that episode. It's not it out today.

I did. And you can bench 300 pounds, coach. I got to tell you, actually, that's totally true, man. I can throw that weight up like there's nobody's business. I'm not saying I'm strong, but you know how sometimes people are like, yeah, you can bench that and that. And I'm like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I can throw that weight up like there's nobody's business. I'm not saying I'm strong, but you know how like sometimes people are like, yeah, you

can bench press this and that. Yes, I can, but I'll send you a video of that later. Yeah. Well, that would be good. I would put that on YouTube also. I actually will not send you one of me doing 300 pounds because I don't think I could do it anymore. Most of the time in the land of coach weight delusion, no, I'm sure he will not send you on to me doing 300 pounds because I don't think I could do it anymore. Once upon a time in the land of coachery,

delusional, no, I'm just kidding. Actually, I keep throwing up. I was actually working out this morning. I did bench this morning and not that any of the viewers give two raps and lips about what I benched this morning, but I was rapping out. 225, like it was nobody's business.

I wasn't trying to max today. Just little FYI there. That's not a bad piece. It's over to 39. Yeah, that's pretty good. Coach, you mentioned Sandra a little bit ago and, you know, in the finale of the heroes versus villains, you were very hard on Sandra in the final tribal council. Have you warmed it all to the game that she played or do you still think that it wasn't such a great game and she probably shouldn't have won?

I think that... I think the party should have won. I made that known. I think that like my I've not won. I've won the Sanders a person, but not as a way that she played the game. You know, you want twice. Fantastic. There are so many variables. You know, in this game, if Tom would have won, everybody would have said he was the greatest player. If JT would have won. So I don't know. I mean, I just, you know, here's the thing. When you watch Survivor, are you, you know, you're excited about the winner, but are you excited about Kelly? You know, are you excited about Natalie White? Are you excited about Russell?

Are you excited about JT and Steven getting to the final and Taj and Aaron getting to the final four in token jeans? Are you excited about Peyton, this A-hole named coach? That's what you're excited about. That's why you watch it. And so, you know, that's why, that's why I play the game, to go out there and stretch the eccentricities of my personality and know that it's acceptable to do it out there.

I mean, I'm in the gym right now. If I were to start voting Nietzsche and you know, doing Dragon Slayer Chi and studying an ancient Tibetan form of meditation, people would literally look at me like I was nuts. Well, yeah, people looked at me like I was not the survivor, but the producers and so on, yeah, maybe give us more, this is gonna be great

because we're gonna make a fool out of you. But you know, at the time it's like acceptable. So I think that when you look at Sanders aha moments, you look at Sanders moments, wow. In two seasons, 68 days, how many aha moments does Sanders have except for running out of the shelter? You want me to get loud or you think I can get loud? Which they showed over and over again and possibly burning Russell's cat.

Yeah, that was great. I actually thought Sandra was good TV this season. I can't say that I had any problem with saying, I thought she was one of the more entertaining people on the show. I mean, if you want to get on Sandra for, uh, she didn't make any big bold move in the game that I could listen to that argument, but I feel like she was very entertaining. Rob, that's a politics move that you just pulled right there, man. Entertaining? Tell me when she was entertaining.

I don't know what you would use. She was entertaining. She don't know what you would do if she was entertaining. She had good confessionals. I thought she was funny and I thought she was likable because she... Tell me a confessional that you still remember to this day. Wow, that was just a good one. I did like it when she told Russell that she was coming after him or she said, Russell's like, he's like, hey Sandra, I need to know,

are you with me or you're against me? And she's like, I'm against you. I like that also. Wow. I mean, that's pretty hard to say I'm against you. I'm telling you, man, I'm crying now on this one because he just calls obviously, but dude, you totally wrong on this one. I mean, you know, you look at the moments where Russell is sitting there saying, I'll pick these two. And you know, I was not a big Russell fan, but I suppose, you know, everybody knows that. But when he said, I vote off these two and he goes to Sandra and Courtney right in front of them and Boston Robbins was like, are you serious? Because he can't even believe the preposterousness that Russell just did by saying that.

That was a great moment where Russell says to Rupert, you know, you think you're the second coming of Christ, but actually you're not. Rupert, your husband, your son. Those are golden moments. Sanders and Mitt did not have one of those moments in either one. So anyways, yeah, I can base it on a lot of things. Gameplay, no power moves, no aha moments, and I could go on forever. And I'm not saying I just like Sandra. I just think that she's not the type of player that I would ever sit there and turn on the

television week after week to watch. Okay. How about this? Did you and Boston Rob ever end up burying the hatchet? I know he said, coach, you're a little man. Did you guys ever end up working things out or was there still some animosity there? No, we worked it out. You know, he actually, he had a grudge for a while.

I got his number from Tyson and called him up and just said, you know, hey man, let's be cool. And he invited me to come down to his place and I bought a ticket and still have the ticket to go down there. I just need to figure out the dates. So you know what, we buried the hatchet. It wasn't, it didn't linger too long. I think he felt some bitterness. I actually, I actually thought when he said you're a little man, I thought he was talking to Russell. Well, I see he was talking to Russell

Because he leaned back that way Jerry voted him out and he gives Jerry a hug He says Russell's a little man At least I thought to at the time if I hadn't I thought so I would have taken that torch and put it off his ass And the torch into the fire because that was pretty uncool for him to say that and to porch into the fire because that was pretty uncool for him to say that. But it is what it is. Yeah. I mean, for a guy that likes to vote people out left and right, you know, he could take it a little better. Well, you know what? Some people can dish it out, but they sure as hell can't take it.

It is. I have been on both ends. It is easier to dish it out than to take it. I do have to say that. I'll admit that as well, but you have to be able to take it in style and grace. Let's flash back to a moment. Survivor token teams. Aaron is just letting me have it. Coach is doing the mortar approach. And I tell her, I'm not minimizing your experience.

I think your experience was harder than mine because you haven't been through certain circumstances in your life. And then I pointed to my chin and said, hit me with your best shot. You guys can all talk about me. It doesn't matter. I know who I am. And then I went on exile and did my thing. I believe you said hit me with your best shot, Pat Benatar. Rob, I love you man. Which was that one. I think that's my favorite coach quote. You're my new bro man. I'm over that one. I think that's my favorite coach quote. You're my new bro man. I'm worried about boss your mom. I'm worried about that one.

And coach, do you know today happens to be Erin's birthday? Is that right? Is she on the phone? No, she's not on the phone. But do you have a birthday wish you want to send out to Erin? Erin, happy birthday. Just wanted to say, I'm thinking about you. I'm glad you made it to third place. I have never talked to one person that has actually said that they remember you from our season, but good job. Both of you out.

Really appreciate that. Happy birthday to you, baby. Let me say one other thing about token teams that I thought was a little weak on the part of Survivor Token Teams. out token teams that I thought was a little weak on the part of survivor token teams. So Taj wins the auction and she wins the phone call and they tell her, okay, your husband, Eddie George, the famous football player, he's going to be back at the camp. And they say, oh wait, but you have a decision to make Taj. You could either see, you have to either go to, go to exile Island with your husband and everybody gets to see their loved ones.

Or you get to see Eddie George back at the camp and nobody gets to visit with it. What kind of choice was that? Who would, who would ever, how was that even a decision? That was a win-win situation. I like it that you can't even tell that story with a straight face, man. You're not cracking up so much. Why would she decide, you know what, I just want to see my... I'm not going to Exile Island with my husband. That's it. We're going to the camp. Screw you guys. I know it's going to be really awkward the next 48 hours when I'm hanging out with my

husband and you guys don't see your family member, but I'm not going to Exile Island with my husband. That's it. That was pretty weak. I tell you what they should have done. They should have taken a page from Big Brother's book and done that Survivor After Dark and had Eddie spend the night out on exile, give Taj a nice bubble bath, get her all cleaned up and let them do the biz.

What they should do is say, okay, you'll get to go see your loved ones, but then like separate everybody and give them the wrong loved ones. Like they give you Eddie George. Oh, great. Now I got screwed. That would be really funny. I like screwed. That would be fun. That would be really funny. I like that. There's regular cold and then there's the mountains are blue cold.

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Rob has a podcast Facebook fan page. If the listeners had any questions for you and they had a bunch, I wanted to go through a couple of them. It's a lot of the stuff we already covered, but here's one from Zach Brooks. He wants to know, what made you originally apply for Survivor? And I have to say, I was wondering the same thing. How did you end up on Survivor? Well, I'm just going to tell you this right now. I did not ever plan on being on Survivor. It was actually an interesting

turn of events that happened. It's the off season for soccer in the NCAA in February and March of 2008, I think it was. And my soccer players, the female girls on my team, they're like, Coach, we need to get you married. You know, you're such an unusual person. I kind of took it as a compliment then. I'm not sure if it's a compliment now, but they're like, nobody else is like you. And I was thinking, okay.

So they applied online for me to be on The Bachelor. Okay. Okay. And somebody from The Bachelor sent me a thing out of the blue saying, I think that you would be perfect for Survivor. And they sent me the link to the application. And so I started asking around about it. I was like, I guess this weird email, does anybody know anything about it? And my coaching staff was like, yeah, the girls, they wanted to see you go on the bachelor or something like that. And so, you know, I looked at this application and I thought, hey, it's one of those doors being open. Are

you going to just timidly step in? Are you going to kick it in with both feet? And so I applied and I got a call. And when they called me the first time, I was just like, wow, this is it. I know they're gonna cast me. So I had never watched a full episode of Survivor when they did that, when they, you know, when they had called me. And then of course I started watching it and I totally fell in love with the show

and have watched most of the seasons and you know, watched every episode since. Yeah. Okay. I would rather have seen you on The Bachelor, I think I might have to say, because I think or can we at least get the coach dating show, The Coach of Love? Actually, there was an idea that came to me called the dragonflyer and the princess.

Yeah. Dragonflyer finds the princess or something like that. And my agent totally said, no, this is really stupid. The person that you've built up till now having this, you know, you don't want to do that level kind of thing. I would have liked it, but it wasn't in the cards. I don't think, you know, I don't really think I'm like bachelor material because I got this big crooked nose and not really good looking. I'm strange looking. I'm unusual. I'm unusual looking. I might be striking, but I don't be like, because I got a long hair and a big nose and whatever. So, you know, I don't think it would have really flown. The girls might have gone the other way when they saw me. I don't think so coach.

I think that'd be a good show. I think that's something, keep that on the back burner. I'll keep it on the back burner. I hope you're buying my humility because it's so good. Definitely buying it. Here's one. Patrick Retker wants to know, do you think that there are any players this season that are playing honorably like you tried to do? Do you think that that strategy helps or hurts a player's chance to win the

game? Did you say Patrick Rectum? No, Rettker. Rettker. Patrick, my apologies. Patrick is a very strong name. I've got a player from Africa on my team. Patrick Mayduck and he's very much the man. Anyway, so let's see. Do I see anybody playing honorably? Marty was trying to play honorably,

but he was playing honorably. See, this is the problem. If you wanna play honorably and you tell people when you talk to them in an alliance, I'm not gonna lie, because this is what I do for a living. You know, it works for me because I went up to Debbie, first day, I went up to Tyga and I said, listen guys, I'm a soccer coach. I make my reputation on being honorable and I conduct a symphony and I have my reputation.

I'm not going to jeopardize that. I'm a Christian, so this is how I'm going to play the game. I think that that is a good strategy that will help you to go deep into the game. The other strategy of this, guys, I'm totally honest. Here's the immunity idol, Jimmy Johnson, totally don't want to win $100 million. I'm here for you guys. They overplayed their hand. So I think that when you have too much honesty, it becomes

false. Just like when you have too much humility or bravado, it becomes false. We got a lot of questions about the Dragons, if there's going to be a Dragons reunion. Here's John Smith says, ask him if he will get Courtney JT together again and rock out like you did at the Ponderosa. Also tell him that he was part of the best Ponderosa's videos of all time. And they wanted me to say it like Russell Hand. So that was the best Ponderosa video of all time. It was the all time greatest. Well, first of all, you know, that's another thing where you're just trying to do the opportunity.

Here's Ponderosa. I'm going to make the best of it. I'm not going to talk. I'm going to do, you know, form a another thing where you're just trying to do the opportunity. Here's Fonderosa, I'm going to make the best of it. I'm not going to Salk, I'm going to do, you know, form a band that writes the music. I'm a little bit disappointed in the Dragons and not in the Dragon members themselves, but in the way it was handled. You know, we had a couple of offers right after the finale to go and do a couple of concerts. And it was shot down. And I was really disappointed because you know what?

You look at bands out there, hey, I'm not the best singer. Yeah. Now did, but were there actual instruments being played? Oh, hold on. Hold on man, I'm gonna get a drink of water. I just ran for 45 minutes straight. This is like when you came back from Exile Island.

Jeez, man. I just had to... I just... Okay. So anyway- You're not being a martyr right now, are you? Oh, man. I could barely survive a foot more step. So anyway, I... Okay. So the thing is, is that I totally forgot the questions you guys. We're talking about the, we're talking about the dragons and how did, how did the dragons break up? Was Yoko Ono involved? Hey, no, but Mary Todd and more had a little subtle hint of what to do with our future.

You know, we actually, we actually really wanted to do something. And I tell you right now, there's been worse bans that have been formed for worse reasons with less publicity. And you know, we had, I think we should have played at the reunion show. I really think that CBS jumped the shark, so to speak, in the finale, because, you know, we get it, Russell, you think you should be the best player of all times. They had three separate segments of Russell arguing, Chandra Parvati, who deserves to be the winner. That's not, you know, that's not called for. I do not speak to anybody that really thought that the reunion was bang up.

Not that they needed to, you know, focus on the dragons, but look, here's what happened with the finale. How many Rupert fans are out there? 10,000. How many Russell fans are out there? You know, 15,000. How many coach fans are out there? 5,000.

I'm talking about like diehard. How many Stephanie LaRosa fans are out there? 2,000. How many 40 fans? You there? 5,000. I'm talking about like diehard. How many Stephanie LaRosa fans are out there? 2,000. How many 40 fans? You know, 4,500. Whatever it is, everybody's got their fans. I get to you that there was 2,000 people watching the finale to watch and see what Stephanie LaRosa said.

And they gave her 10 seconds. And to have such a great cat, I know what she said. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sirloin pizza. Pepper. Hey, it was a filet mignon pizza. Okay, good job. So, you know, we want to see the people that we love, and they spent no time on anybody. I would have liked to have seen it

been a more diverse one. I think what they should have done is they should have had us perform at the finale. If we hadn't done that, then we at least should have played the concert that we were supposed to play the day after the finale that they put the kibosh on. And it is, and they protect their interests and I respect that. Well, here's the thing. Let me say for any future survivor who's listening to this podcast and is concerned about the amount of airtime that you, like you can't sit there and be nice and wait for Jeff to ask you a question if you want to, if you want to make sure you're in the finale, you

need to just be like, just yelling, just yelling things out and blur, blurting things out. And then, you know, Jeff will say, Oh, okay, coach, it looks like you have something to say, you know, you just can't sit there and wait to be called on because it, okay, coach, it looks like you have something to say. You just can't sit there and wait to be called on because it's not going to happen. I agree with that. When I was in token teams, I kept asking to recite a poem. And finally, the night that I went out, I was like, wait, I got a poem I want to read for crying out loud.

And then they let me recite a poem. You just got to say it. you know what, screw it. It's not my turn to speak, but here's what I'm gonna say. Anyways, but I think somebody would have come out there right now, some record company, somebody with ties to a record company label. Why not?

We wrote four or five songs. We'll record four or five other songs. Hey, you know what? There's gonna be 10,000 people to buy it just for the novelty fact of it. That's going to make somebody, you know, a hundred grand. Yeah. Just do it. What's stopping you, let's say hypothetically, you and Courtney, and I got to keep, let me keep it 100 coach. I don't think you need JT in the Dragons. What was he? Did JT even

play an instrument? He just happened to get voted out at the right time. That could have been Rupert as the third guy in the Dragons. You could have had Russell if the chips would have fallen or Candice. That's awesome. I will say the guitar chords were basic, but JT's got his following out there. And you know, we can't do the Van Halen, we can't do the Guns and Roses kind of thing where we start kicking people out of the band. It's what we started with. We got to be loyal for that original alliance. Is it true that Steven is the Yoko Ono of the Dragons and then him and Courtney, that their relationship was, you know, the rest of the band couldn't stand Steven? Is that

the case? Completely false. Stephen, by the way, was in Susanville a week ago. Did you know that? Yes. We talked to Stephen. He came to visit you and how was it? You and Stephen and Randy tear it up? It was pretty awesome, man. We tied one on in Susanville and then when I showed him some of the local flavor, I think Stephen was duly impressed by the remoteness and the, you know, the small town got a mentality that was here. He really, he really dug it, you know. Are you the mayor of

Susanville? Unofficially, yes. Unofficially. What about officially? You know what? A lot of people want to be drawn for city council. From city council, you get to be the mayor. You know, Rob, I mean, I filmed a pilot, you know, called The Way of the Warrior for a new television show while I was the host. You know, I filmed the movie. I'm a pastor of a church. I conduct the Susanville Symphony. I coach the number 9th team in the nation right now. Lots conduct the Susanville Symphony. I coach the number ninth team in the nation

right now, lots of college men's soccer. I've got so many things that I'm doing. I just don't have the time. And I wanted to do it. And a lot of people told me I should. And then I had some people close to me just say, look, man, you don't have the time. And it's true. I'm writing a ballet right now that we're going to premiere next year in April. And I've spent over $600 on that since January 1st. I have a composing program that I write on and it, you know, it logs the hours. I just don't have the time to be mayor of Susanville. I will take the other fish with that right now.

Okay. Would you be coach mayor or mayor coach? Or would you be mayor instead of coach? No, you know, the coach has got to be in there. Would you be coach mayor or mayor coach? Or would you be mayor instead of coach? No, the coaches got to be in there. It's a part of me for really 20 years, people have been calling me coach. A lot of people think that I just said that nickname on Survivor, but ever since I was at the University

of Tennessee and I was coaching in Amurals, people started calling me coach and been doing it for 15 years. My church, Eagle Lake Church, they call me Pastor Coach. It's pretty funny. It's got to be in there somewhere. Maybe Mayor Coach, something like that. All right. We also got a lot of people asking for more coach stories. Eric Orvito says, ask them about the amazing Pygmy Amazon stories. Do you have any other part of that story

that you haven't told or any other similar stories? I had some adventures in the Amazon once, but there were no Pygmies there, and it wasn't as exciting as yours. Do you have anything like that, Coach? Who's the guy that asked about that story? That was Eric Orvito. Eric, let me give you a piece of advice. Don't read blogs and don't go off of other people's

advice to make yourself look stupid. Pygmies are indigenous to Africa. So when you start talking about pygmies, a word that I never mentioned in conjunction with my Amazon story of the indigenous people. Don't confuse me talking about indigenous people that happen to be five foot tall with the big names that live and reside in Africa. But anyway, other than that, do I have stories? I have so many stories about stuff I've been through. It's just, I mean, I could tell you. I can tell you one after another. Do you have one?

A lot of people ask for, we have to get one new coach story. All right, but I will tell you that the endorphins have left my body after running, so I might not have many questions left in me. If you got a story, I'm going to give you a story and I'm going to have to give it in typical coach fashion, but it might take the remaining. Okay. Well, I would tell... ...mojo out of me.

I'll take that deal. We've covered most of what the other questions are about, and I will take one new coach story and then be happy to call it a success and be happy to let you go, coach. Love it. All right. I'll tell you a story. I'll tell you a story of, you know, there's been many times where I felt like, you know, I should not have made it through. I'll tell you a story about, um, you, you choice, you choose. You want me to tell you the story about when I, uh, I felt like I was going to die at first. You want me to tell you the story about when I went through a hurricane? You tell me.

I think I went through a hurricane. October 1996, I was on that same first kayak trip. I took several big kayak trips, kayaked 6,000 miles on the Pacific Ocean, documented in the book of Wonders Beyond Reason by Tom Gaffier. I then went down the Amazon, I went down the Orinoco, spent some time in the Congo, went

through the Darien Gap. So I did all these adventures that few people had done and in some cases nobody had ever done. So that's where most of my kayaking stories come from. So back in 96, October 13, there was a hurricane hurricane Hernan and it had come through the Caribbean, jumped over the Gulf of Tijuana back in Southern Mexico and then started tearing its way up north to where I was kayaking. I was kayaking kind of near the Modiglant area until it's

coming up and it's very rare for hurricanes to be up that way. So I didn't have a radio. I didn't have any music means of communication, you know, every night I'd sit down the beach and just be completely lonely. I remember watching the sunset, you know, imagine this, put yourself in this, in these shoes, you know, you're on a one man kayak, 18 and a half feet, you leave San Felipe, September, and you're going all by yourself and you got nothing, you got no radio, you got no music, you got no friends, you get to a town every six, seven, eight, nine, ten days and you get to the payphone and you

start calling your friends collect just because you want to hear a voice on the other side that you remember. But the hardest part about it is that you don't know if there's going to be an end. And I think that was probably for me the easiest part of Survivor. No matter what, you knew that it was going to be 39 days at the longest and at that point in time, you know, you were done, you were out of there. But the unbearable loneliness of night after night after night, watching the sunset by yourself and just thinking, man, we weren't meant to be hermits. We weren't meant to be alone. We were meant to be hermits. We weren't meant to be alone. We were meant to be with other people.

And just having that feeling of loneliness and actually knowing that if you screw up and it's the wrong situation, you're dead because there's not a helicopter that'll fly in and medevac you out. There's not a phone that you can pick up or a doctor that you can say, hey, what's going on with this?

And give me a shot or stitch me up or get me out of here. You're totally on your own. And if you make a mistake in a critical junction, then you're quite literally dead. So, you know, I tell you the hardest part about that kayak trip was when I would have to spend the night out on the ocean.

I spent 10 nights one time without seeing land and you'd get there in the middle of the night, especially if there was no moon or if there was cloud. And I didn't have any lights on the boat. And, you know, it was just me. And I am probably, I can put my hand out and touch the water. I mean, I'm under the water, obviously,

in terms of my seat. And then my hand is like level with the water. So you're not even off the water six inches from where you're sitting and to sit out there and try to spend the night and kind of drift off to sleep and then wake up and your body cools down and you start paddling for warmth and then you you cool off again at one point in time I tried to strap myself around the bungee cords to the flat part of the kayak I had an outrigger so Irigger, so I knew it wouldn't go over

unless a really big wave come up. That didn't work out very good. So anyway, you'd be out there at night and you'd start seeing things and you'd think that sharks were there. You'd think that monsters were coming up. Every little noise, every slap of the kayak, you'd look around and it might startle you

because you just drifted off to sleep. But the feeling of complete and utter abandonment from all of society was something that was most prevalent every waking moment of this trip, six months of my life. Anyway, back to the hurricane. I'm really getting into the story. I love it, Coach. So anyway, I'm on the beach, deserted beach, and I go to sleep in my tent. I don't have a radio. I have no idea

that there's hurricanes, you know, 200 miles south and coming up my way. And so I go to sleep and the wind is just tearing up my tent and it actually breaks two of the rods in my tent and the wind is flapping, you know, the flaps all over the place and I'm trying to get some sleep. And so I ended up trying to make a little makeshift tent next to my kayak. And so I'm huddled in that and I drift off to sleep. Well, about 5 AM in the morning, I wake up and I'm just waters all over the place around me. And so I get up, I'm startled, I get up and I unzip the flap of the tent, get outside and I look up and there's just water everywhere and the kayak is floating and I would tie the safety

line to my leg so that if the tide came up that it wouldn't take the kayak away and funny stories about that but we don't have time about swimming through hammerhead sharks when my kayak went out into this one cove. But we'll get into that story on another podcast. But here I am and the water's all over the place and I look out and man, this storm is coming and it looks just like you see on TV. There's just a set of breakers and another set of breakers and another set of breakers and another set of breakers and the waves are all topsy turvy and the water isn't clear because it's churned up so much sand.

And you know, the water's risen up 15, 20 feet in the night and it's surrounded me. So I packed my can, I'm sitting there, I pull my kayak as far up as I can, just past this first set of breakers. And I'm looking out there and the wind's whipping all over the place. And I'm thinking to myself, I can't go out there. And then I say to myself, you know, I have to because I'm bored out of my mind. I can't sit here on the beach. You know, at that point, it was early enough in the trip, it was about a month in where I didn't know if I was going to get done in six months. I didn't know if

I was going to get done in six years. There was days that I would go backwards because the currents were so strong. And I didn't know if I was ever gonna complete it. So I was like, you know, I can't sit here on the beach. I gotta get out. And so I looked out past those set to breakers, seven or eight breakers that were coming in at one time. And I said, you know,

if I can just get out past those breakers, I think that the wind is gonna be behind my back and I can make some really good progress. So I pack everything up, get myself psyched up, get in the kayak and I start paddling. I go through those waves and those waves that are coming in are all in ass and are coming in probably about six, seven feet. My boats basically swamp by the time I get out past the last breaker. And at that time I'm looking at my kayak,

it's full of water, the wind picks up and all of a sudden, bam, the top fingers of this storm just slam into where I am. And at that point, the ocean has a way of humbling you when you're out on it, whether you're on a sailboat or rowboat or sure as hell in a small little 18 and a half foot kayak. And so that thing hit me and it took me out 10 miles from the shore.

Like immediately I'm getting pushed out and I can't fight against the current. I can't go, I can't go back. I can't go south. I can only go one direction. And that's the way the storm's pushing me and that straight out the sea. So as I'm paddling my ass off off trying to just get the boat, bail it out, paddle, bail it, paddle, bail it, paddle. I'm trying to get into a rhythm. I'm actually holding a cooking pot in my right hand while dripping the paddle and I'm dipping it in

as I dip my left paddle or into the water, try to picture this. I then get a little bit of that water from inside my kayak and then toss it out and then do it again and do it again. So I get about half the water inside the cockpit of the kayak out and that time I put on my spray skirt. I put on my spray skirt and I start paddling. The storm's going all around me. The waves are going absolutely nuts. I get the boat turned around. I'm in the middle of the storm the boat turn around, I'm in the middle of the storm. And, you know, I'm literally thinking it's a moment by moment kind of thing. And I'm racing down these waves and coming up these new waves. And you know, when a hurricane is there, when a storm's hitting around you, the waves aren't just breaking in one direction, they're breaking in multiple directions. And

when that happens, sometimes you get caught in the vacuum. And I got caught between two waves at one time that collapsed on the kayak. So I had like a shotgun went off in my ears and my ears rang for about three days afterwards. And so all the stuff on the top of my kayak is ripped up. My paddles is laying in the water. I've got a light vest in the water. I've got my emergency locating beacon that's floating away.

And I'm like a sitting duck on the water. I'm just sitting there praying and just saying, God, you know, get me through this because I'm in, I've had it. And so my paddle was there and I didn't want to jump out of the kayak because I didn't want to get swept away. And the paddle was just out of reach and another wave came and brought the paddle like smack dab right onto the kayak. I picked up the paddle and just paddled.

I was out there for about four hours. And I remember the night before when I was looking at my map, I remember that I'd seen a little tiny island that was sitting off the coast. And I said to myself, you know, if this storm is breaking, if I can get on the leeward side of that island, I think I can just make it.

And I think it's out from that. Now the wind was going so fierce. I had on sunglasses because the wind was taking the water and just shooting it into my eyes and I had ropes that were on the kayak that were loose and they were ripping all over the place and cutting into my skin and it was just a battle to take a stroke. My arms were absolutely, completely exhausted, the weight in my kayak, plus the water that was burying my kayak, you know, it was just, it was unbelievable and it was just a fight.

And so I just say there's that little voice inside of my head that says if you can just get to the leeward side of that island, you're going to be okay. So I start battling south, you know, the storm has now changed. And so instead of taking me out, it's kind of going north and south. So I'm following these waves and these waves, you know, I'm telling you, man, they were like 20 feet and I'm riding down the face of these waves and it's so much speed that the top of my kayak is about right at the pearl, which means that the front part of the kayak buries itself because you're going so fast and at that point you flip over.

And if I had done that one time on these waves hour after hour, then I mean, I literally wouldn't be here today. There was no way I didn't have on the life vest. I didn't have on anything. I would have been totally toast out there. So I'm riding down the face of these waves and I see this island. I start trying to get to the leeward side of the island. I'm paddling. I can barely see. I'm paddling, paddling, paddling. And as I get into this straight between the island and the mainland, the water is rushing up even more forcefully because of course the sand on the bottom is coming up to meet the top of the waves. And I'm telling you man, I'm riding down the face of these waves and when I get on the

top of these waves, I look down and I see the sand. I see the sand because the water has come off so high that it's actually looking, I'm looking at the sand and I'm still like maybe a half a mile off on the island, absolutely terrorizing. And I just prayed over and over again that God would give me the strength to come on and to keep going and that God would save my life. And I think that He did. I mean, I really, I really feel like I distinctly heard His voice say, this kayak trip has been about you and it needs to be about me and the son Jesus Christ needs to be on your lips to everybody that you meet for the rest of this trip and you know it changed my life, it changed my life, it changed the trip. The trip

stopped being about me and it started being about you know who I was as a Christian man and so you know I finally made it to the island and just got out. My knees were complete yellow. I fell on the sand, threw up, you know, and just sat there and wept like a baby because I couldn't believe that I was alive. So I spent the night on that island, a storm passed, and the next day I take my kayak and I kayak over to the mainland and I see these huge solid steel shrimp boats that are 40, 50, 60 feet long that had been tossed up because they couldn't control their boats. The storm was that strong and it tossed their boats 30 yards up on the beach. I kayaked down and I remember the captain of this boat came out and asked me, did you spend the night on that little tiny island?

And I said, no. I mean, I spent the night on that, but he asked me if I rode the storm out on that island thinking that that would have been a pretty gnarly experience. And I said, no, man. I was out in the ocean and I saw his eyes get so big around. But it was neat to know that me and my little kayak, I'd been able to navigate and find myself safely behind that ironwood. This whole fleet of fishing boats had been tossed up 20, 30 yards onto the shore.

That was the power and the reality of that storm. Wow. Coach, if they ever get rid of this Dosecki guy, the most interesting man in the world, I think you go right in, you take over that whole thing. Whatever. You know what? I tell the story from my heart and a lot of people don't believe them, but you heard me. The problem with survivors is that they chop up the story. So it's kind of like, yeah, I was in a hurricane, 44 waves. Oh yeah, I was the man and that's all the

story was. You can tell that when I tell you the story, man, it comes from my heart. It's what happened in my life. If people believe it, it doesn't matter. It's part of what has made me who I am today. I don't know how anybody could complain either, Coach. You're so bored on Survivor. I would be so happy if somebody had some really good stories to tell while I was on Survivor. Well, you know, the second time around,

and it was probably to wind me up, but also, you know, I mean, everybody was demanding stories every night. So I told a different story every night when I was on Survivor the second time around. I think they appreciated it. Yeah, well, I know I appreciate it. I'm sure the listeners appreciated it.

And Coach, thank you so much for all of your time. I'm glad you were able to get your workout in. You got some great stories in. I think we're all walking away from this thing happy. Man, I appreciate you having me on. And you know, like I tell everybody, you gotta be true to yourself and you gotta be who you are.

Dare to be different because if you are different in life, you're gonna achieve greatness. No, no great person that did great things was ever considered normal. So, you know what? Try to achieve greatness. No great person that did great things was ever considered normal. So try to be eccentric. It'll make you brilliant sometimes. Well, that's a great point. Coach, where could people follow what you're doing?

Where would you tell people to go and look for all of your stuff? There's so many different things going on. There's going to be, there's a coachabendwaid.com website that is up, but it's actually being completely revamped. There's a place, my symphony that I conduct is called the susanvilsymphony.com. We're also coming out with a new website. The Coach Ben Waid website will be good because that's going to be about my projects. I think I'd love for all the listeners to go to

180film.com or go on Facebook and go to the 180 Film webpage and just, you know, become a fan, follow the movie, wait to see when it's going to be released. As far as my soccer team, if you guys go to the Lassen College website, it's going to talk all about my soccer team. They are ranked ninth in the nation right now. This is a brand new program. So for us to be nationally ranked, it's a pretty big deal. So there's all kinds of websites to go to to follow what I'm doing. What about a Twitter coach that I know there was a little bit of a controversy that Dalton Ross said the best survivor Twitters and he named you, but then it turned out that that wasn't really you

on Twitter. Is this accurate? I know. Isn't that funny? This is the guy that was doing it. I got to hire him to be like my publicist or something because he was awesome. It was pretty awesome, the stuff that he was doing. But I mean, if I was post to that stuff, I really would be that arrogant ass that everybody

claims that I would be. So I'm actually happy to say no, that was not me tweeting on myself. Actually the thing is, I got to tell you, let me get a sip of water, hold on. I'm just trying to do a show-out so you can hear it. So, you know, the whole clear thing, here's the thing. I'm really not fooling myself. You know, I've had people cut me down my whole life because I'm different.

And I've had people try to say, if this guy is the best trumpet player, we wanna cut him down. If this guy is whatever, symphony conductor, we wanna cut him down because he thinks he's on top. As a leader, you've gotta be confident. You've gotta be sure of yourself. Sometimes that rubs people the wrong way.

I've always said the true leaders make sure that not everybody is happy. Somebody's got to be unhappy or you're not a true leader. But you know, I am not really full of myself. And so I don't really, I can't really do the Twitter thing. I mean, Charles is an apostle. I love the guy. He's completely full of himself. He loves tweeting on himself and telling people what he's doing.

Dude, let's get serious. Hold on, let's get serious. Yeah. Do people really give two rips about me if I'm walking to Kmart? Do people really care if I'm gonna spout a certain philosophy of the day and they're really hanging on that?

Yes, yes. I don't, no, give me that crap. I don't take myself that seriously. about a certain philosophy of the day and they're really hanging on that. Yes. Yes. I don't know. Give me that crap. I don't take myself that seriously. People do not give two rips about what I'm doing and therefore I'm not going to sit there and become a Twitter maniac because it's like, okay, I've got 20 fans that are going to look at it and say, I don't really have 20 fans, but you know, it's like they're going to look

at it and say, are you serious really have 20 fans, but it's like they're gonna look at it and say, are you serious? This guy's totally full of himself. Now, the only time that I will Twitter is when I go to other countries, like I filmed that pilot, The Way of the Warrior, and I'll tweet and I'll say, okay, I'm doing this. I'm studying the Mongol culture

and this is what I'm learning. Or I'm doing this world premiere, this symphony tonight, check it out. I mean, if I'm thinking I'm doing worthwhile things, but even though I think my life is interesting on a daily basis, I don't think it's that interesting where people are actually going to follow it. It's just like Facebook posts. I don't update my Facebook page because, you know, once in a while I do, but I don't really think people are that interested in it.

I don't know. I think you'd be surprised coach. And as far as Tyson's Twitter, he actually doesn't tweet what he's doing. He actually just tweets out. I know, I know, but still the stuff that he writes on there is funny, but it's also like really, are you serious? And maybe that is his point in which he is sheer brilliant. Are you serious? Do you really think people want to hear about that? But in actuality they do because it's absurd and silly and ridiculous. So maybe you've got a point

I'll tell you what when I get done with soccer season, I'll tweet for two weeks and I'll see if my followers jump up I think I got like a thousand right now. I'll see if my followers jump up and We'll make a little wager on this If it goes up you do you consider mistakes and I'll see if I canager on this if it goes up. You consider mistakes and I'll see if I can do it and if people actually get too ripped about it. I can guarantee you'd be a sensation on Twitter and we need to get Randy on Twitter also. I think Randy now, he is brilliant.

I'm not. I can quote a few people and seem like I know what I'm talking about, but like Matsuyasu said, or who would know Carlos Castaneda once said that a warrior acts like he's not, let me say this right, because it's a good quote. Carlos Castaneda once said that the warrior acts like he knows what he's doing when in fact he knows nothing at all at the task at hand. I feel like that's me. I don't really know what I'm doing, but I'm just acting like I do.

So therefore I get by with a lot of stuff in life. Randy now, he truly is somebody that is brilliant. He needs to tweet. And actually, you know what? Here's the thing, man. I'm not going to wait until the end of soccer season. I can tweet on my phone. No, I'm serious. I can tweet on my phone and here's the deal. When's this podcast coming out? It's going to be up on Friday, October 22nd. Okay. So you need to tell people, maybe even on your webpage, not just because at the end of the article, maybe no, at the end of the podcast, I hope people are still listening.

You put on there, follow coach on the underscore real underscore coach. And I'm going to start tweeting tomorrow, my man, in honor of you. Okay. And I'm going to tweet hard. All right. Well, we're going to get you some followers. All right. I'm going to tweet hard for two weeks and see if it picks up.

If it picks up, I'll keep doing it. If it doesn't pick up and double, then you know what? Sayonara, baby. All right. I'll take that deal. Coach, thank you so much. Thank you for all of your time and your stories and entertainment through so far, two seasons of Survivor. I love it, man.

Hey, it has been a pleasure. I will talk to you soon. All right, take care, buddy. Okay, bye-bye. Bye. Okay, bye bye.