RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Premiere Exit Interviews

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Survivor 50 Premiere Exit Interviews Survivor 50’s action-packed premiere sets the stage for an epic season, and host Rob Cesternino is back with the very first set of exit interviews. This week, Rob sits down with returning Survivor favorite Jenna Lewis Dougherty, the first castaway voted out, and Kyle Fraser, the Survivor 48 winner who exits Survivor 50 via a dramatic medical evacuation. They dive deep into early tribe dynamics, blindsides, and the real stories behind pivotal moments you saw on TV. The episode explores what really happened during those tense first three days. Jenna opens up about her anxieties coming back for a third try and why she felt left out of her tribe from the very start. She breaks down how one conversation about targeting Cirie set off a chain reaction, describes her struggle to break up duos, and reveals how new-school vs old-school philosophies clashed over shelter life and challenge strategies. Kyle Fraser, recovering from his Achilles injury, shares the inside scoop on his tight alliances, managing tribe relationships, and the exact mechanics and heartbreak of his exit during the muddy endurance challenge that changed everything. – Jenna reveals who really said Cirie’s name first—and why she tried to push for big moves – Kyle shares how his secret cross-tribal connections set him up for long-term success—until injury struck – Why “duos” put returning players on edge and how fractured social groups left some players on the outs early – Behind-the-scenes fire-making and the new-school vs old-school Survivor work ethic – Funny and poignant moments, from cake at Ponderosa to surprise idol strategy chats This episode has Survivor fans asking: Can any alliance truly stay under the radar in a season packed with legends, and will the challenge-heavy start doom less-physical players? Tune in to find out who’s controlling the pre-merge chaos and which social reads might come back to haunt people later. Chapters: 0:00 Intros 2:23 Cirie Named As Early Target 4:49 Christian Orchestrates Cirie Misdirection 7:26 Jenna Warns Against Duos 10:05 Savannah Struggles In Challenge 11:17 Jenna Reflects On Survivor Journey 16:04 Kyle Fraser’s Emotional Medical Exit 18:58 Kyle Navigates New Alliances 22:08 Boomerang Idol Strategy Discussed 26:06 Kyle Downplays Achilles Injury 27:40 Colby Assures No Blame 29:04 Kyle Asserts His Survivor Legacy To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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and then the player who was medically evacuated from Survivor 50, and that will be Jenna Lewis, and then Kyle Frazier, who we saw both depart in the three-hour premiere of Survivor 50, which I thought was just absolutely incredible, especially the first couple hours was really, really exciting. And, of course, Stephen Fishback and I broke it all down. Last night, later on today,

I'm going to get together with Sophie Ballerty, plus all of our regular content, including our patron Q&A coming up on Friday, Club Condo also for the patrons. But over the weekend, I will be doing a all Survivor 50 mailbag. So we'll be taking your questions. So be on the lookout for that. No Jordan Kalish today on the podcast that we will have Jordan Kalish and this week in Survivor history all season long.

It was just a tough week with all of the scheduling. So no Jordan this week, but we will be back in week two with Jordan Kailish. for this week in Survivor History. And of course, you can watch all of these exit interviews when you subscribe to our YouTube channel. Go to watch RHAP.com for that. It looks like we've got Jenna Lewis all ready to go. Let's go ahead and patch in my interview with Jenna.

All right, we are here with my great friend who I'm gutted today to see you end up going out. Of course, the great Jenna Lewis, and I have to ring the bell for you. How you doing? I'm doing okay. You know, we've had months to process this. I did get to face my biggest fear out there.

I would say my biggest fear is going out first. So, you know, third survivor. I got to face the one big fear and get it over with. But it felt like when I landed, I was very nervous, which I haven't. In the other two seasons that I played, I felt very comfortable. And like getting to know people and everyone felt open. and it felt good. And the second I landed this time, it was like, oh, that's why I felt like I had to play fast.

It wasn't that, oh, my God, all the new schools, it was like, first of all, that's always how I play. But second off, like, it, everything felt wrong. Everything, you're going to hear this, I think, for many people in other tribes. It was like there felt like there were already these groups and I wasn't invited. I told somebody I was like, it felt like I was late to the party. and they were like, you weren't invited to the party. So that's how it felt. You mentioned that this is how you always play.

I was thinking back to Survivor All-Stars and where you came in, I think with kind of a similar philosophy of that you said, okay, here's what we're doing. And even in a smaller group, it worked and was well-received there. What do you feel like the difference was? Why weren't people on board to go big game hunting? here? First of all, I was not the first person to say serious name. That is all, all manufactured. And I keep saying, I will get online, look Christian in the eyes, and he will have to tell you the story of how day one, we were all sitting around getting to know each other. And Kristen and I were chatting,

and I was like, so how do you feel about the group of people here? You know, I really like you. My son's into robotics. My son's not into robotics. But I was sitting there like, hey, you're blue eyes are so blue. Anyway, so he says, I think Ceres the biggest threat. And I was like thinking for a second. I was like, okay, yeah. And then we talked about how she's a threat and the liability, like the challenges. She will lose the challenges. But he had gone over. What he said was I'll tell you who, and this is where you can look him in the eye. This is almost verbatim. He goes, I will go sit by the person that I think is the biggest threat. And he goes over and he sits next to talks to her for like five minutes.

I go over and talk to Rick Davins about Fortnite because I love Fortnite. And he loves Fortnite. He's like, what skin do you use? I'm like, shush, I'm going to go talk to Kristen. And then Christian and I come back and he's like, biggest threat. And his words, again, I'll depose Christian on this. He said, if she makes the merge, so many people on that side for her,

you will never get her again. She's lost to the wind, I think, were his exact words. So he, he is the one that started the whole thing. But this is what I loved about last night that I did not know. This is what I do like about Survivor. Voted off or not. I don't know what all the conversations were that I wasn't involved in. So Christian having that whole, I am Dr. Spock, you're Captain Kirk.

I do all the thinking. You do all the working. And then what's the next scene? Devons goes to the water well and tells Sarie, I said her name. I didn't. That was a, that was chess master Christian over there. Christian absolutely said her name first. And then I thought, okay, Christian's like, he was trying to be a leader.

And you heard him with his Vince Lombardi speech. Like he wanted to be kind of a leader. And I was like, fine, fine, that's great. So I was on board. And I was like, yeah, look at, she just really. tanked that challenge. And I was trying to mobilize Savannah and Joe. So for two new school players, they just, I don't know.

I think we all felt out of the sorts because we felt like there were three and then two. But I was trying to tell them, like, you do not want duos in this game. Joe, you just got screwed over by a duo. All stars, everyone would be like, Jenna, don't make the same mistake. Like, duos never end well for the people around them. like break those suckers up and open the game up. And those were the obvious duos. And when Christian and all them seemed on board,

I was like, Joe, Savannah, we got to do this. So then to see them sitting on the log last night with the others and saying, like, I don't want to vote for Jenna. And then they were like, maybe Ozzy. And they were like, okay, so it's going to be Jenna, Ozzie or Surrey. And they really didn't know new school players. They were behind the ball too. But I think all three of us just felt we didn't have the connections that the people

there already had. I love the scene where you were talking to Ozzy, and you could tell in the back and forth that Ozzy wasn't picking up what you were putting down. Was that when you first got the inkling that this wasn't going to go well? Yes. Yep. You know so well, Rob. I think you know me so well.

Like, you know my facial expressions, but you kind of know that. Yeah, sure. It was like a blank. I'm looking at him going like, you don't actually think I'm buying this, right? I was like, I don't trust you. But I really had been talking to Christian and them about Surrey. And then, you know, Savannah had said, maybe Ozzy. And I was like, look, I'm up for either.

But I knew that those two were together hardcore. I knew it. You know what? I knew it. Ozzie had come back from Exile Island or whatever. And we made the fire. And when we got the fire and we put it in, we're all like celebrating. He goes, where's Surrey?

I got to show Surrey. And I was like, that's what a child does to their mommy. Like, obviously, they're like this. And so then I started like to tell Kristen, you're absolutely right, not just a threat, liability, but these two, you've got to break it up. And it shows me talking about Savannah as they're making like the montage of like, she's playing hard and vows, you know, blah, blah, blah. I'm telling Savannah, these two are together and you can't have duos. You have to break them up. And I really did feel like Christian was on board with that.

He was the one who opened the whole Surrey basket. I did not. I thought I was helping him. So where do you feel like that it just ended up going sideways? Was it because that once it got back to Surrey, then she started saying your name? No, no, no, because I don't, because that's why, like, Ozzy's name was right there at the end. They were legitimately, you saw Emily, they were legitimately considering Ozzie, too. So it wasn't like they were all in collusion over there either.

but I think what happened is, and I think this will prove me right. And again, I'm not out there. Christian's that mastermind, and he's a chess master. I think he's puppeting Surrey. He went and sent Devons to go tell Surrey so that he could make sure Surrey Ozzie and I would not get together. So he plants it in Surrey's mind, and he's already told me, so he thinks, okay, I'm getting her to go around and tell people, Surrey, Surrey, Surrey, then he plants to Surrey. So it was very easy to get us. to kind of like, not fight, but like, yeah, I'll vote for that person. We both had been told something different. I thought I was helping Christian.

But I really did feel like it when I felt like it went south was when I talked to Ozzy, but I really felt like I would get two votes. I did not think that they had all come together on one. Like I thought I would get two for sure. But not that. I didn't think that they had gotten anything together. How bad was the challenge? I know you know this.

I know you know this, and I know you know that it was not shown like it was on TV. When they showed on TV, you see Kyle's accident, which, God, that was really awful. That was hard to be there and watch. You never want to see that. And especially Kyle, he's just like a great guy. But that was hard.

But after Kyle's incident, it looked like on the TV show that it was like two minutes, like, oh, yeah, fourth tries. You got it. No, no, no. Ask anyone. If it was 50. It was 15 minutes or maybe 20 of her alone trying to throw that monkey ball. And here's the kicker.

When we decided who is doing what? Savannah goes, I just did this challenge like two weeks ago. I just did it. I know I can do it. And Sue is going, I practiced in my backyard. I kid you not. I practiced in my backyard. This is mine.

I can do this. And it was 20 minutes. We were so far behind. So really, I'm like, how are they going to win a challenge? They're all, they all have very physical elements at the beginning. You kind of get some other elements as you move further in the game, but there are always brutal physical challenges in the beginning. And I think that's going to be, that's going to be their detriment.

I thought that the show did a really nice job of giving you your flowers to come back. And I thought, especially in the opening, they really did do a lot to celebrate you coming back. what were the emotions like for you to return to this thing for from where you started in season one to come back for season 50? Like I get emotional just like you sang flowers. That's what it felt like. I felt like they gave me a little bit of a love letter. Yeah.

And I think they know that it's been such a huge part of my life, but it's also helped give me my life. Like I was a 22 year old single mother, you know, working two jobs in New Hampshire. and then I got this gift of this show, but also everything after and the confidence. I gained my entire life from Survivor. I would probably be living four houses down from my parents with like 20 other kids.

But I feel like Survivor really gave that to me. I think they knew that. So I think they knew when I went off. They really gave me a love letter, and I can't thank them enough. Like they could have, you know, you always say dumb things. They could have made me look ridiculous. I was very, very, very,

very grateful for that. I said this about you last night that, you know, this is totally sucks to be the first person voted out. But I felt like that if there was anybody in this cast that could handle this, I just felt like that after everything that you've been through, that this is not pleasant, but this for you is like, you know, nothing. I, 100%. And I said that, you know, when the next person comes walking down, I was like, oh, but I hug them and I get the food.

And I did this as Ponderos the queen for each person that comes off. And like, I was like, my life is so beautiful that I'm going to go back to you. I think I wrote down when I got home. Like, I basked in the sunshine of Survivor and I've walked in her shadows. and I realize that both are so fleeting. You always come back to your life. And I felt like, God, that sucks. It was my biggest beer, getting voted off first.

So I did it. Faced my biggest fear. But I was the one to take it. I can take it. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Doesn't mean that it's any easier on me because I was so excited to get to watch you play

and hear your commentary all season long. Anything else you could tell us about your time there that we didn't get to see? I think just, you kind of got it in the edit, but I was kind of trying to do Christian's work, but how many times I talked about the duo and it seemed everybody agreed, I think, I think they nailed it.

I think they really got kind of, I think we were all very excited about the fire too. I think they kind of glossed over that, that nobody has made fire in like 15 years or something like that, at least 20 seasons. Like now you heard Dee, she was like, the dirt's fine. And I'm thinking, that's the difference between old school and new school. Like, the dirt's not fine.

Like, build a shelter. And they're like, it's 26 days. I'm like, yeah, we didn't eat it. You're here for 26 days. Yeah. Like, you're here for 26 days. You know, we did this. It was a lot of work on Survivor in the old school.

You did work. They were like, blah, blah, which is funny. You know, I was so disappointed. I didn't get up to get to New York. York because of the snow to go and see you on. Any fun stories from your time back together reunited with the cast? No real fun stories. Just really getting to, obviously, you know, that I didn't get to meet, you know, half the cast. So I only have the people that come to Ponderosa to see me, but I didn't get to even meet half of the cast. So this was really the very first time I had met people. Yeah. Okay. Well,

I hope that at some point down the road that we'll be able to talk more. about all this and everything else, but I miss getting to talk to you. And please keep in touch. I hope the cake was delicious. It was. It was. I ate three pieces. Like each night I ate like a full piece of cake.

Yeah. No utensils. Yeah. Yeah. You're on to something. All right. Jenna, great to talk to you and all the best. Okay.

Thank you, Rob. All right, everybody. And there you have it. Jenna Lewis. I first met Jenna Lewis back in the summer of 2008. three after I had played on Survivor the Amazon. I had been to a bunch of charity events and there she was right in the middle of everything. And while I'm sure she has changed a lot in a lot of ways, she is still very much the same

and always a thrill to talk to my old friend. And while I'm very sad to see her go, I really was so thrilled for her that she got this opportunity to come back in Survivor 50 and hopefully we'll get the chance. chance to talk to her more on the podcast down the road. We're going to take a break. When we come back, Kyle Frazier will talk about his gut-wrenching Survivor 50 exit. We come back right after this. All right.

We are here with the winner of Survivor 48. And now I believe the answer to a trivia question of I believe that he and Michelle Fitzgerald are the only two-time players to never be voted out. Here is Kyle Frazier. Kyle, how are you? Dude, Rob. Great to see you, man. I'm doing well. Doing well. Yes. Kyle, first off, tell us how have you recovered? Yeah, yeah. So I'm eight months in. I am, I just started running a few weeks ago. Achilles injuries are roughly eight to 12 months recovery. I'm not a professional athlete,

so I think I'm going to be around 10. But I'm sure I'll start sprinting and jumping soon. It's an arduous injury, but I'm getting through it. Yeah, it was a real gut punch for all of us watching the episode. last night because you're so beloved, so well-liked, nobody has a bad word to say about you, and then to see, well, wait, no, not Kyle, not like this. Yeah, it was tough, man, it was tough. I was really enjoying playing the game. First of all the edit.

I'm actually a villain. I'm Russell Hand. But anyways, you know, I was really enjoying playing the game. And I think that, like, people thought that our tribe, even me when I first saw it, that it was going to be this dysfunctional shit show of a tribe, excuse my language, but in reality, we were a very cohesive group of people, I think, representing what survivors should be like. It was a crazy family, but we got along, so it was tough to be ripped away from that. You know, I really thought you were going to have an uphill battle in this season coming in.

I said, okay, he won, they just saw him win, but it really looked like that you were set up really, really well, and you were doing a hell of a job. And was that the edit, or were you feeling it, too? No, that was that was real man even up until when I got injured my tribe mates to have my back they were not going to vote me out at least I think You know, I think that confessional like as corny it is as it is that this is not poker. It's not chess. It's people like you know when you have a target on your back you just win you have to go back to the fundamental So I was like I'm going to show these people who I really am. It's hard to tell exactly who I am from the 48 out of my good guy. Am I my schemer like whatever it may be? And so I was like I'm going to show them who I really am connect with them and see if we can play the game and I think that work. Colby gravitated towards me. Stephanie and I got along very well. And then, of course, Genevieve.

And then I started to set up my game from there. Yeah. It was really, looked like that you were in this amazing position. Plus, also then Q comes back from Exile Island. And then also Q is sharing information with you about how he doesn't have a vote. Did other people know about Q not having a vote? So Q told me first. And then I said, as you saw, I said, hey, talk to Genevieve, tell me what you're thinking.

Q talked to Genevieve. He really liked her. So then he told her about his vote. So then now what Genevieve and I essentially set up was a threesome with Q, me, and Genevieve. And then actually, Genevieve started like Rizzo. So I talked to him and me and Genevieve set up a Rizzo, Kyle, threesome there. So then eventually we made a foursome with Q and Rizzo because Q was very worried about this new era, old era thing. Eventually, it got out because essentially the way it sort of shook out was Aubrey and Angelina. We felt like they were playing together. So to sort of build consensus and to keep. this camaraderie, we sort of merge that Genevieve and I, and Colby, me, Stephanie, Q, Genevieve Rizzo formed a little bit of a six. And Q said, hey, guys, like to sort of clear the air, I don't have a vote just so Q could be extra transparent. I think that actually worked out for him. Okay. So that's interesting to hear in terms of the alliance at one point was up to six people

with Angelina and Aubrey being the only people not in that alliance. Is that fair to say? Yes, that's fair to say. And I actually, you know, just to put a finer point on that, Jeddibir and I were kind of at the heart of that. We thought Angelina was playing with Aubrey. But then Angelina and I actually started to get very close. And she kind of eventually confided me.

Like she didn't have anywhere out there. We got along very well. I love Angelina. And so Angelina told me that I was her number one. And so then I was like, okay, you seem to gravitate towards Aubrey. So me and Angelina and Aubrey set up a three the night before the injury. And like I was playing hard.

And I knew that those narratives were scary. to bite you in the butt. So, like, I was managing these narratives. But, like, I thought maybe swaps, whatever it may be. I need to be good with everybody and play risky like that. Look at you. You had a lot going on. Yeah, too much. Tell me about the relationship with Genevieve. Why was Genevieve somebody that you had gravitated towards? Yeah, you know, I knew that, like, the game that I need to play is sort of what I just explained to you, which is being sort of good, or at least clear socially with many people and leveraging that strategically.

And then when things started to grow and grow, I knew that Genevieve, like, I need somebody to manage narratives. Like, Camille and I, the reason is able to work because, like, she knows what she needs to say to who, no slips, and then we're locked solid. So this thing can't fall apart because obviously, like, you have one wrong sentence in survivor to fall apart. I talked to Genevieve.

She immediately indicated that she wanted to work with me, which was scary at first. But as the days went on, I was like, either I have a bad judge of character. I think she's actually being genuine. And she has all of the tools that I need, including now she can find idols. And then I, of course, knew it was real what she showed me. She had all the tools that I need to get far in this game.

You can't play Survivor alone. And Genevieve had what I needed. And I think she would say the same for me, hopefully, to get far. So I want to talk about that idol that Genevieve ends up finding. So were you a part of the decision of where Genevieve will send the Billy Elish boomerang idol? Yes, yes. When she read that, I mean, of course, by that time I was injured, she found it with Steph, but Steph didn't get a chance to look at it. And Genevievee was like, she ran to me first and told me. People didn't realize how close Genevieve and I were, vice versa. So she actually went back and told Steph, who then came back and told me behind Genevies back, which was hilarious interaction. Of course, they didn't make it. But anyways, Genevieve and I had a conversation. And I think while the edit showed maybe thinking about Ozzie because he might get voted out, I think that the criteria that we were sort of thinking about the most was, who's going to be the most receptive to receiving this? And if we see them on a swap or at a merge,

are they going to be receptive to being an alliance with us? You know, Ozzie, the guy that he is, he actually might take that information well. You give it to somebody like, Sirrice, you might say, oh, thank you and then vote you out, not because she's a bad person, because she's like, you know, plays this game a different way. So there was a list of people who we thought,

who would be receptive to this and who will give us the most options moving forward without blowing our spot up at the same time. And Ozzie felt like a good choice. What was your relationship like with Colby? We heard in the preseason that when Mike Bloom and Colby talked about a potential school yard pick that Colby in his head was thinking about. He was going to pick you first just so people would say, oh, my God, what does Colby do? I didn't know Colby and Kyle were like that.

Yeah, I mean, dude, Colby and I bonded so quickly. And, you know, it was so unexpected, not in like I would never get along with that guy, but the way that it happened so fast. we actually were kind of like the one spearheading, building the shelter. And like because of that, people were going off and grabbing things that we would have time to talk. And at first I was trying to play Colby Soft. He was like, hey, dude, what are you thinking? And I was like, you know, like let's play it out. We got to win challenges.

Kind of like a Joe thing. But Colby's like, brother, I want to run. And I was like, you know what? Hell yeah. And then he's like, who do you like? And I was like Stephanie instinctively because I knew that he likes Stephanie. And then he mentioned Genevieve. And I was like, okay, great.

Now we can kind of like organically form this without me pushing Genevieve. But Colby's demand, and we got along really, really well. Any good Q stories from the first couple of days out there? Oh, my God. I mean, Q, I mean, first off, the way that he told that story with Coach and Ozzie and Jonathan, and then seeing him trying to steal the key himself was so great. But, I mean, Q is this incredibly charismatic, like, intelligent guy. And, like, the thing is, it's a switch.

Sometimes he goes from Q, the realtor who makes millions of dollars. to cue the character, but it's all genuine and authentic. I mean, that conversation about Blackjack that we were having right before the boat pulled up, I mean, that was going on. That started because we were arguing about whether Q could be craps, I think. And I was like, bro, there's no way. And, like, he's so passionate about everything that I think a lot of people could learn from. The fashion show was a show.

I mean, he could dance like Michael Jackson. Like, he's got the moves. You only saw a snippet. But, yeah, he, Q is a piece of work. Were you concerned at all about working with Que that he, is unpredictable at times. And I don't know if necessarily that's a type of ally that in my mind, I imagine you necessarily gravitating to. Was that a concern for you working with Q? Before the game, absolutely. There are two things for me that concern me about Q, the chaos around

him. And then also like the lore, I think from your interviews and other people on 46, like not even a pregame sentence, that Q is just a phenomenal liar. Because I remember asking people, like, how does he do it? And he's a phenomenal liar. And so I was terrified of that. But within meeting Q in person and realizing that there are two speeds, it all clicked for me and made sense. Like this is a guy that I could go far in the game with. And like him telling me that he lost his vote and while he he withheld the Ozzy extra voting, he had been telling me that he lost his vote really kind of solidified that for me, especially

because it came back with the supplies. 100% you should take that option every time, by the way, future survivor players. But I really, I really saw myself going far with you and he's got a lot of the tools you need too. And you can use them as a shield. So at first, yes, but in the game, no. When Jeff came to the camp that I'm sure you must have known what was potentially at stake there, was any part of you trying to downplay the injury to Jeff, either when it first happened or when Jeff came with Dr. Joe? Oh, all day. And the day before. After the challenge, immediately I had to go on to the tent and the doctors quickly localized it more so toward

the Achilles and not the ankle. And at that point, you have to monitor it because you can't tell, right? And so the doctor Joe actually came back that morning, the following morning, and he said, we're going to see what you can take and what things shake out to look like and we'll make a decision or come back later this tonight. You can come with a decision. So, I mean, what you saw me walking around was actually kind of the later end where I kind of figure out a mechanic to make it look normal. But walking the sand was extremely difficult, washing the mud off. I was like getting washed away in the ocean trying to wash myself. But all the day I was trying my best to let them know that, like, I could do this and stay, having conversations

with my tribe mates to make sure that they wouldn't vote me out. And even when they were doing the stress test on my cap, I was trying to wiggle my toes a little bit to make it seem like it was okay. But, of course, the Dr. Joe called my bluff. And I argued with Jeff for probably 15 minutes, 10, 15 minutes. I told him I'd sign a waiver, but argued about James and Preston and brought out my legal tools. But unfortunately, it didn't work out. And honestly, it worked out the right way. You know, I listened to, or I read Dalton Ross's article where he gave his first person account of what happened. And he talked about how that you had gotten up the ramp and then came back down to help Colby who couldn't get up the ramp. Did Colby then feel very badly about what had happened in that that you went to go save him and that's how you got hurt?

Yeah, you know, Colby felt bad like any person in that situation would, but he shouldn't have, right? Like, after the fact, yes, I ran up the wall myself right after a queue, got myself up, we pulled people up. And what you saw of me tearing my Achilles was actually the second attempt, but I didn't tear it there. There was a third attempt that you didn't see, and they spliced the two together. And what the doctor told me was that the repeated motion of putting my foot into the wall is what tore it. So all this to say, Colby was gasped. He was at the bottom doing heavy lifting, getting people up. The guy's 53 years old.

He's an American hero. He can freaking, he's an ox. But, like, nobody can do that, especially with the mud covered on the wall. So, like, there's no reason for Colby to feel bad. People don't get up without him at the bottom pushing him up. Kyle, is there anything else that you want people to know about your time in Survivor 50? Yeah, you know, I think that, like, I went out there two, I went out there like five days after you interviewed me after people saw me in a million bucks. I think the critical reception of 48 was very much on my mind.

because I felt like I played a great game. In 48, I played idols in a flashy way. I won challenges. I was never vulnerable. I voted correctly every single time, the first winner since Tony. Yet, for some reason, it felt like because of my season or maybe because of the way that I talked to confessional that people didn't realize my game.

And so I went out there and what you saw was a manifestation of sort of like what I dealt with in my life, which is like, you know what? I'm not going to underplay myself this time. I'm going to go out there, go guns blazing walls to the wall, and show people that like I care about this game and that I can play this game because like coming out, I was like, I don't want that feeling again. I don't want anybody else's validation. I want people to know what type of player I am and I want to be in those conversations. You know, so I never got a deep dive, but I just wanted people to evaluate me in the same way that they look at some of these other players.

And I hope that people can finally take a look at me and say, that guy is a freaking player in this game and he deserves to be up there. Listen, we don't always get it right in the real time, but I think that with time. Eventually people and all this, I think we do end up seeing the light and getting it right. And Kyle, you're an incredible role model and, you know, watching, you know, you and everything that you're about. It's very inspiring. And when is the baby due? Babies do May 2026. So we got about two more months.

I don't know why I said 2026, but I'm pumped up. And dude, it is always a pleasure to talk to you. I'm not talking about you, by the way. You are the freaking man and I really enjoy every single moment I get to talk to me, Rob. So can't wait to hang out in real life sometime. Okay. Hopefully, see you again soon. And Kyle, very sad to see you go.

But congratulations on everything that you've accomplished in a short while in your Survivor career. Thank you so much, brother. Really appreciate it, Rob. Take care, Kyle. All right, everybody, there you have it. There is Kyle Frazier, just one of the real good guys of Survivor. And, of course, sad to see him going. Yeah, listen, he seemed like that he seemed like that he,

was not lying about, you know, being in this great spot, a perfect game, maybe on the way. So who knows how it would have ultimately played out, but he really was set up very, very well here. And so disappointing circumstances for Kyle on the way out. All right. That's going to do it for our first batch of exit interviews. We're off to a flying start here. I suspect it's going to be a lot of double exit interviews this season.

I don't know anything for sure, but we just have a sheer math problem in terms of the number of people that we need to get rid of and the number of episodes there are going to be in the season. So I am expecting more exit interviews with two different players on them. Plus, we'll have Jordan Kalish coming back in the coming weeks. Don't forget, also the Traders is going to wrap up tonight. It's big finale and reunion show where you may see yours truly is going to be on Peacock tonight. Plus, we'll have full coverage of the first week of House of Villains as well here on RHAP plus much, much more.

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