RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 50 Wish List | Ep 37: David vs. Goliath with Jenny Autumn

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

Today, Mike and Jenny Autumn (@jennyautumn) discuss Season 37: David vs. Goliath.

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comes a twisted tale of modern romance and the sweet satisfaction of revenge. Companion, only in theaters January 31st. Hi, everybody, and welcome back to the Survivor 50 Wishlist podcast, an off-season series where we're trying to figure out who could and should come back for survivor 50 my name is mike bloom and i hope everyone has their slingshot in their back pocket alongside with the phone they're listening to this on because it's time to talk about survivor david versus goliath an absolutely stacked cast but who from this deck will make it into our ballot only time will pal and i'm so

excited to be joined by somebody who look the goliath tribe itself certainly featured some people who had a claim to fame prior to the season so it only makes sense that we bring in someone who is an expert on claim to fame herself so excited to welcome in jenny autumn hello oh my goodness okay I am first of all very very excited to talk about what is one of my personal favorite seasons and I think that I feel a little set up here because um I am incredibly uh long-winded this is no this is no secret to anyone that has listened to me as long-winded as the cyclones that caused them to be evacuated. Precisely.

And, you know, I know the point of these podcasts is let's keep them tight. And I have been gifted with talking about one of the, I would say, the most stacked, you know, casts and, you know, people that haven't had the opportunity to even come back yet besides, you know, the winner, of course. So I feel like this is a huge task to try to limit my commentary and stick to the task at hand here. But I'm very, very excited about it because it's very nice to be talking about Survivor and very nice to be talking about a cast that I'm extremely excited about. Because this is the stuff I care the most about in Survivor is the people, is the cast.

Oh, I was going to say, are there chances of someone returning? No, no, no. I don't care too much about the game mechanics um like I'm not intensely anti-twist or um I definitely wish no no please don't send don't send Kalish after me um but I I just really think that if you get a great cast, the season is going to be great no matter what. And so being, you know, talking about what a future season looks like with people where we already have context for whether they would be good on the show is really exciting, like task for me to be involved in. Yeah. I mean, this top to bottom is a really stellar cast for a really stellar season uh i would see them i would see them like just run it back like let's or like take this

take this cast and put it into a randomizer do the like the david versus goliath thing while it's a very important part of the season we could we could just run it back with this whole cast and i would watch that in an absolute second like should they switch should they switch tribes well then i mean it's the same people starting off with the same people actually yeah it's david versus goliath based on how you did in the previous season right yes yeah like so the you know the davids i guess become like the pre-merger people and oh yeah or you could be i mean you could you could argue some of the some people that went far could be davids yeah like angelina was maybe a bit of a day when it came to her chances of winning

a jury vote and i think allison uh in the way that, you know, on paper, really, you know, should have been set up for success and seemed very likable, was just constantly being targeted throughout the season and really couldn't get any footing for the endgame. So you could even argue her as a Goliath, you know, despite making it as far as she did uh is a david if you want to use that theme but like wouldn't that be great i would totally watch this whole cast again yeah i mean there's some exceptions but yeah but uh you know this is one of those seasons probably alongside kagayan where maybe even 46 too or it's just like hey run it all again and see how these people interact with each other because yeah we, we really get it all in David versus Goliath. Well, yes, we're still in the late 30s of Survivor, so there still are

a bunch of advantages and idols thrown in, but you have a lot of dynamic gameplay. You have a lot of unlikely friendships, unlikely rivalries, friendships becoming rivalries. We have an incredible amount of character moments and comedy. We have an incredible amount of character moments and comedy.

We have an example of one of the quote-unquote celebrities cast on the show doing really well in Mike White. We have a bevy of big, flashy moves made, especially in the post-merch. So there is so much to get into from this season.

Not to put the cart before the horse, I do have a feeling that this cast, probably Jenny, when the ballot comes around we'll have more than five people representing it but it is our job today to make sure we walk through with five and five only i mean i i am it's it's it's easier than four so i'm very glad that we've you that we've reached the point in this activity where we're allowing a little bit more room for people here because it's going to hurt me to leave some of these people off what we do here regardless. But man, just doing four would be really, really tough. So giving me at least one more slot, I'm happy about that because I think I could easily pick like 10 with like no hesitation. All right. Well, let's see if you hesitate. Starting with our final three here to Goliaths and the David that took them down.

Our winner who will return for Winners at War, in Nick Wilson. The aforementioned Mike White, who is an actor, writer, who is also an avowed superfan of Survivor, who got cast on the show and finishes admirably in second place. And then, of course,

one of the characters of the season, the negotiator, the jacket requester, the ladder carrier herself, Angelina Cardona Keeley. First thing I will say is I think, Jenny, we're going to have much more of a fruitful discussion about two out of these three. Nick, after going on winters at war, went and ran for a spot in the Kentucky House of Representatives where he currently serves. Kentucky House of Representatives where he currently serves. I think we're sort of like barking up the wrong family tree, if you will, if we're asking if he would want to come back for another chance at Survivor after being able to make his way into politics. Yeah. I mean, I am of the mind, you know, similar to many people that have,

you know, have spoken on this, that I would prefer to see people that have not had another opportunity to play already. And how convenient that it leaves one person on this cast, you know, maybe they'll do a blood, a future blood water. I'm sure Nick has some cousins, you know,

maybe he can come back down the line, but I think in this, you know, given point in time, you know maybe he can come back down the line but I think in this you know given point in time uh you know we've seen two seasons of Nick in in fairly close succession um and you know I despite that I I don't have him super high on my list of people that I would want to see play again from this season anyway um but I think given the fact that uh you know he he got another opportunity to play in winners at war very shortly after uh winning his season and then all of the other stuff outside of survivor um it's not happening I really don't think I don't think that anyone is really expecting Nick to be a big returnee for season 50.

But maybe I'm wrong about that. I just don't personally see it. I agree with that. Let's talk about Mike White then, because that's what's an interesting convo. Yes, this is a really interesting convo because, again, mike white was a previous reality tv competitor he actually been on two seasons of the amazing race with his dad prior to becoming a survivor contestant so he is technically one show away from completing the trifecta though i don't think he would ever go on to big brother uh he he's enough around la he's not going to step a foot inside of

that house but mike was really fun to watch between his dry sarcastic wit in the confessionals and the fact that he put together a pretty damn good game to the point that I think some would say Mike White was robbed I think the common conventional wisdom is that Mike at least stood a

good chance of winning but apparently in the final tribal council he pretty much said like listen I'm already very successful in hollywood this guy comes from very humble beginnings he's doing something very noble as a public defender like give the money to him i don't necessarily need it then mike goes on to do his most high profile work of his career, being the force behind the White Lotus, an incredibly successful HBO miniseries that is currently, I think, filming its third season.

And of course, featuring cameos from his his former Survivor cast members. I believe he's also said that Survivor was a large inspiration behind the White Lotus, this idea of people being in this beautiful tropical environment and basically forced to spend time together despite their conflicting backgrounds, morals, and emotional statuses. I have a couple of comments on the record about Mike White when it comes to returning. The first is from his quarantine questionnaire.

When asked if he would play again he says i had the perfect survivor experience imho so if you'd asked me a year ago i would have probably said no but then probes recently out of nowhere said to me very emphatically there was no way i was ever going back on the show i don't know why in the hell he said that but it was a fatal mistake he should know you don't deliberately provoke a survivor contestant by telling them what you're thinking and that you're voting them off the island for all time. That just makes me want to scramble.

Now I have to use subterfuge to come up with a conniving scheme to stay alive and prove him wrong and outlast him. So because Jeff said that, I will most definitely be back. Some way, somehow, I will be back. If not as a contestantant then as the show's new host you know what you did jeff kisses now before we get into i would say uh the more sincere

statement what are your thoughts about the the threat that mike made to jeff robson's quarantine questionnaire i mean we stan a petty king uh listen you don't you don't decide what my... Oh, you mean you listened to his exit interview with Rob back in the day? Exactly, right? You know, like, I really think, and it's funny because I did know this story, but I didn't actually know the part where he

alluded to, maybe I'll come back as host, and I was about to say, hey, what's the ultimate power move here? You know, maybe probes can stop you from returning as a contestant, but why don't you just take his job? That's the ultimate power move. That's how you end up back on Survivor as Mike White. And I certainly would be here for it. You know, I think there's a lot of reason why we wouldn't see Mike White again. You know, his life is fine. He got the experience.

You know, everything he said in that quote, right? But man, he literally could have won like I really you know obviously people can talk about like what they would have done differently in terms of voting and stuff but it is an absolute real possibility that if uh you know some things were done a little bit differently at final tribal council that he is our winner. And I think that, you know, while his life is fine, there's got to be a little part of that that keeps you up at night. However, I don't think it is in Mike White's best interest to return as a contestant on Survivor. I think that it's really, really hard to do what he did and win,

given all of the, you know, what he has done with his you know career and success since then um because he was he wasn't as big of a name he was definitely like you know a pseudo celebrity oh yeah casting when you're on the same season as the georgey of Tushy. Right. But how can you compare? I just think that it's kind of hit a different level since then. And I don't even I besides the the the pettiness of Jeff trying to like say that he's deciding for him that he's not going to come back. I don't know that it's in Mike White's best interest to do it. But if he truly loves the show it's like if he if he got the call and people wanted him i i have a hard time imagining he says

now to that point mike and angelina did a joint interview on the drop your buffs podcast about a year ago summer of 2023 and mike was asked once again would you come back to survivor and mike said basically you gotta give me the dates in advance but yeah i would definitely do it again for sure so listen to your point maybe it'll be diminishing returns pretty much no matter what for mike white i thought he would say no just because of, again, like where his life is right now with the White Lotus. And look, who knows if he does get the call for 50, maybe post-production happens in a way

where he couldn't feasibly do it. But I was happily surprised to find out as recently as last year, he would definitely go back and play again. And I also think that, like, I'm delighted to hear that as well because I would love to watch him on TV again. But I think that he benefits from, you know, a situation where, like you said, if he has the dates enough in advance, I think that like, he, of course, he could do it. Like, why, why not? and maybe he doesn't care about the diminishing the chances of diminishing returns he isn't necessarily like okay well i'm only coming back if i know that i have a truly truly a shot to win because i need this money and like what i sacrifice to be there

like needs to end up i need to bring more a-list actors on it because is he basically crowdfunding for the white lotus of like we need more money to bring out all these Oscar winning actors onto the show can he write it off uh in terms of like you know he's gonna write a new show but he needs the inspiration from oh I love that idea I mean you never know uh You will never, you know, hear me objecting to seeing Mike White play Survivor. Like I said, I don't know how it would go. It really would depend on on who else is there. But I'm very delighted to know that he would do it again. And who knows who knows what Jeff really said like and and this isn't to say that that Mike White will for sure take things out of context uh and maybe misunderstood the intention of something being said but is there a chance then that Jeff was just being like you're not gonna play again like saying that as if like you don't want to play again like why would you do that um and then Mike you know took that as if like you don't want to play again. Like, why would you do that? And then Mike, you know, took that as like a challenge being like, oh, you're telling me I can't do it again.

And that's where he took like the offense. It's not outside the realm of possibility. Yeah. So it could be reverse psychology as well. And plus, it'd be fun to see Mike Guerra play, Mike White play in the new era considering that he was the one that had of course the infamous is it fun question that has dictated so much of the choices jeff has made over the past five years and let's talk about somebody who also may have incorporated into the new era because angelina arguably her legacy lives on in every new era season you know who's to say jenny that had she not tried to negotiate for rice at the beginning

of a challenge for sitting out that that convention would not have been brought into the new era of course angelina i think if you ask a lot of survivor fans her and one other person from this season are a lot of names that fans go to of like well they gotta cast people from the later 30s because these people need to come back where do you stand on that would you like to see angelina back absolutely absolutely um i actually think that angelina is someone that i could see faring better in in a returnee season um you know I I think that she has such an incredible and entertaining like story in this season and there might be people that would argue like well you

know she was she was being kept around specifically to be a zero vote finalist. But I think that, you know, how many years ago was David versus Goliath now? So they'd aired in 2017. Oh no, sorry. It aired in 2018, fall of 2018. Okay. So we're what, six, around six years ago. And then maybe it was closer to seven that they played.

Several. I think several. Yes. I think that, you know people can change how old is angelina now so angelina right now is 35 perfect i think that there is actually quite a difference between uh you know playing when you're like 28 or something and 35 she's uh become a mother since then i believe not to mention she's become a mother of two since her time playing survival yeah and i you know i think that she gets uh on her attorney season she is underestimated um and i think that she's probably gained some perspective and maybe like she was like entertainingly like unselfaware at points.

But like she is not lacking self-awareness completely. I think, you know, she probably, especially watching some of it back, took some like lessons away from her time on on David versus Goliath. And I actually feel very strong, not just about her, you know, being someone who should be in consideration for 50, but actually like potentially doing well. doing well like yes she got she made it to the final three but I think that in terms of like gameplay I think that she could really wow us and you know we talk a lot about like what themes could be when we're talking about uh season 50 um I know we joke a lot about game changers I don't know that we we would ever see gamechangers too but if you were ever using the theme of gamechangers for a returnee season and you are not including Angelina on that cast she created the rice negotiation okay like you said you I mean it's criminal to leave her out I mean production is very high on Angelina, which is interesting because I remember

in the first few episodes of David vs. Goliath, for the B&B, we actually came up with a game called Angelina or Natalia, where the two of them were both so kind of enigmatically in the background that it's like, oh, they got nothing going on. But Angelina came alive as soon as that swap happened and as soon as she saw that delicious jacket draped over Natalie Cole's shoulders and she knew she wanted it.

And a meme queen was born. I remember the game within the game, the Rebus puzzles from season 41. One of them was Natalie. Can I have your jacket like that shows the legacy of Angelina? I do think to your point, it'd be interesting to see what she looks like on a second time around. You know, would it be... I'm not putting her in the level of coach of like, oh my god, she's so delusional, she doesn't

realize how she comes across, but it'd be interesting to see does Angelina sort of lean into that type of stuff? Does it even matter because she kind of has that confident, assertive persona that had her do these things in the first place, that there won't necessarily be

a wink-wink, nudge-nudge to the camera. I'm not entirely sure, but she did say on Drop Your Buffs that basically if it worked out with her family, of course she does have two young children, but if she was able to leave them for a brief period of time,

she would absolutely go back and do it. And so, yeah, I'm I'm begging Survivor Production to make it work. Have an on island babysitter if you if you need it to happen, because we need Angelina back on our screens. Imagine if that was a thing and you know what what possibilities could have been open in terms of returnees and some of these previous seasons. Maybe people wouldn't have had to go far as far down the list on some of these returnee casts where we're like, really? Yeah. In-house childcare. Great. When can I start? Like that would be perfect. No, I, I,

I really, really hope that she's high on you know productions uh priorities like you said i i've gotten the sense that they they would love to see her return um just based on you know her inclusion in like the lore uh like you said so um she's just such a fun character and as much as you know when we're looking at creating a returnee cast you are going to be focusing on big gamers you want people that like played the game hard and like you know we all we all love a strategist um you also want those people to be characters like if you can get you know the big strategic powerhouses that are also incredibly entertaining perfect um but you also just need to make sure that there is a presence of people that know the game um will play hard because angelina she was not slacking

she maybe made some decisions along the way that were questionable and could have you know done her some damage in terms of securing some votes uh to win but she took it seriously and she was a non-stop character and I think that it's very very important to cast people like that um and I I really I can't stress enough that I actually feel really optimistic about uh what she could do on a second run um so don't count her out she's ready to run yeah I I would love it I would absolutely love it Yeah, I would love it. I would absolutely love it.

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as we move into our jury here. working our way up from the bottom to the top we have uh i believe she was a a lunchroom worker at the time in our merge boot elizabeth olsen we have uh the wrestler that has gone on to even more fame i believe since his time on survivor in john hennigan blindsided by the minority split vote for the Davids pull off we have hot cop Dan who finds like two or three idols of the season and ends up getting taken out due to the idol nullifier we have Alec Merlino

who ends up surviving a six hour endurance battle with Christian before his body says F it and he gets voted out we have the godfather the trucker Carl Boudreaux who is riding high on a speedboat before he is taken out. We have the godfather, the trucker, Carl Boudreaux, who is riding high on a speedboat before he is taken out by his own David. We have, of course, your friend of the podcast,

Gabby Pascusi, who decides to try to turn the game onto one of her closest allies, the guy next to her in Christian Hubicki, only to get taken out due to Christian's idle play. We have, of course, Christian himself, the robot scientist who can solve a slide

puzzle like it's nobody's business where is davey he's right next to christian the guy that just barely made it onto the seas of enough of an impact that he gets the sia money from this season we have the aforementioned dr allison who ends up becoming sort of like the decoy vote for the majority of the post-merge and our fallen angel in the form of kara k what i want to focus on is going back to of course the other person that i feel is a shoo-in to come back if they're looking for people from this season christian hubicki yes yes when the show uses his first confessional or one of its first confessionals as a time-lapse montage of him explaining how he built a slide puzzle algorithm. And that's how he aced the opening challenges. You know, the show absolutely loves this guy.

And how could they not? I'm sorry if you don't love Christian Hubecki. I don't I don't know what to tell you he sorry for you sorry sorry to you I don't know what's what's missing in your life but I hope you find it because what a joy he

he was such a special character in that like you know he was this geeky, like, underdog type. But he had, like, this chaotic energy about him that it was like it wasn't just like he was just running numbers. And I remember his preseason interview with Josh. He was all about sort of like the free radicals and entropy and purposely seeding chaos so that he can benefit from it and try to make sense of all of

it. And he, you know, provided so much incredible commentary throughout this season. Like, you know, he, he really is a constant narrator throughout the season.

Because if, a constant narrator throughout this season uh because if how could you not take the the sound bites you were getting from him like it almost does a disservice to some of the other cast because it's like you know maybe they got other people talking about certain things but when they got the gold that they were getting from Christian just like this interesting way that he talks about the game and anything how could you not want to include that and I just think now like Christian and I'm incredibly biased but I think I'm biased in a way where it's like oh I'm oh I'm biased because I love Christian because I've met him and he's my friend. Like, I have played hours and hours of Goose Goose Duck with this man about this point. And he is far more chaotic and wild than I think we even experienced in his run on David versus Goliath. And God, what I would do to see him play again.

I really feel strongly that he is top. He is in the top part of the list. And that brings me joy because I think that we would, you know, be robbing ourselves to not allow Christian to play again. Yeah, his mind for the game is so much fun, whether it's him bringing it about it

from a numerical perspective, him talking, for example, about how the three tribe format doesn't work in the new era with no swabs you know actually working out the number of uh interactions that people can possibly have with each other in the current new era format to him immediately hopping in the chat following the whole do or die twist to explain what the monty hall paradox is like christian is so incredibly passionate about the game and what's also so fun about the unconventionality of christian as well is his arc uh because christian becomes at the merge the biggest threat in the game which again looking at him no offense to christian you would imagine that's not necessarily the case but at that john hedigan vote all the Goliaths immediately look over to Christian and feel he needs to get taken out

and so a lot of this post-merge arc for Christian is like him escaping by the skin of his teeth in one instance Davey plays an idol on him on another he plays an idol on himself he wins that essential immunity at the final 10 as well he beats out Alec Merlino in an endurance. Yeah, he does arguably the most iconic endurance challenge possible where he basically just talks everyone off of the ledges so that he takes home immunity. He is such an incredible character combined with, again, being this big strategist on top of something that production

assumingly loves as well, which is his ability to play with and against various advantages, which obviously is rife in the new era. Christian is hungry to have all these different toys to throw into his tool chest that he can, you know, workshop over the course of his time on the show. So I think it honestly is the perfect recipe

to bring him back. And I would imagine as well, you know, he obviously was on the podcast with me time on the show. So I think it honestly is the perfect recipe to bring him back. And I would imagine as well, you know, he obviously was on the podcast with me for redemption Island. He has said he would want to come back as long as it worked out with the schedule. And even if it doesn't, he is tenured now.

So there's not a lot of recompense for him to say, yeah, I'm just going to go off for a month. My students can deal with a sub. You know, let's just line up the sabbatical the way it needs to, you know what I mean? We don't need the babysitter.

Let's just get that sabbatical lined up properly and Christian's there. And yeah, he's just such a special player in that he's, you know, incredibly analytical, but he is also a social powerhouse and how like lovable and good he is and with interacting with people like you know he gets pulled into the bro chachos like you know what i mean like this is the comptroller of slam town exactly like you i just think that i i don't know what a second run looks like for Christian.

It obviously depends a lot on, you know, who else is there. And like you said, he did get built up as this big threat and, you know, had more than one idol played on him. One by somebody else and one by himself that kind of keep him around longer than he might have otherwise lasted because of this threat that gets put on him. So I don't know if that's something that carries on in a return, returnee season, but God, I would be front row seat to watch it and cheering him on because he, I would turn down so many other people. And I would also argue that where people will be like, oh, well, that's the same archetype as Christian. Like if we're talking maybe even new era people, I'm sorry. There's no one like him.

There is just no one like him. You might say that he is like a particular archetype and maybe compare some other players to him but i just think that he has something very special and interesting about him that i just can't find in in players that have uh you know come after him all right well let's take one step to his right as someone who is often synonymous with christian when about David versus Goliath, because they go again from best of buds to her plotting his demise. Let's talk about Gabby here, because I think, you know,

on paper, if you ask someone several years ago, what, what do you remember from Gabby from David versus Goliath? To be honest, the answer would be most likely from a lot of fans. Oh, she is the one that cried a lot but I think if you look closer into a lot of the stuff that she was

doing again she had this storyline with Christian she is even before Jesse and Cody had one of these big talking points of like okay do you want to turn on your ally early on you know what happened with Gabby and Christian, where again, Gabi wasn't necessarily on anyone's radar until she turns on Christian, and then it starts to become, okay, I believe it's the remaining Goliaths are like, all right, well, let's just throw some votes onto Gabi here

in case Christian plays an idol. Gabi, I think, is also, again, from our perspective, Jenny, someone that we have played a lot of these social strategy games but has proved that she has a head for it as well as a really great sense of humor something that should be noted as well is that uh the call for survivor 40 obviously went out to i think a lot of people in the 30s to see who would want to come back no matter what the theme was before winners at war for what it's worth both gabby and christian are on record as having received a call too so i do think especially and we'll talk about this

again with someone like jesse and cody i would not be surprised jenny if there's an angle of oh we want to bring christian and gabby back to see if they'll you know butt heads or if they'll inevitably join together again listen whatever argument you want to make to include them both i am uh i am on board i um i know i just gave this like wild passionate speech about the need for for christian um but i will i will stump for gabby till the end of time. I was a fan of her preseason. Like when I listened to all the preseason interviews. Oh yeah, she was my winner pick.

This was around the time where like the 30s, we got into a casting groove where I finally felt like I saw people that I related to on the cast and that I felt like oh that's kind of like me and you know in in years since Gabby playing Survivor and just getting to know her on a personal level like there are a lot of reasons why I feel like this avatar type, you know, connection to her so selfishly. I love her. But I, again, she's someone where I think that, you know, how she's grown and, you know, where she where she's gone in life since playing. I think that she will bring a different energy to a second um a second time i i i think she's learned a lot and i think that she you know i just think that she's a different

person that but in a very very positive like you know really true to herself kind of way and I would love to see like because she played pretty fearless the first time and I just think that you see that that in a different way um in a in a returnee season and again another person where where if you've seen her play other social strategic games, if you've seen her play Goose Goose Duck, I think she's done a little bit of the blood on the clock tower. She is a wild one and she will take swings. And I just think that she's so much more entertaining than you might remember her as. And I I just think it would be, again, criminal to not have her very, very high on your list of returnees in general, not just for this season.

I feel so, so strongly about it. I will be a mess if she gets back on. Watching it will be hard. But I absolutely need it. Yeah, I mean, on the note of, you know, how much she has changed. I mean, Gabby played David versus Goliath when she was 25. And look, we certainly talk about this

with like 21 year olds. But yes, if you know what Gabby has gone through in the past few years, she has changed career. She has changed location. She has really come into her own. I think as a person, I think she is definitely someone that would say like,

oh yeah, I wish I played survivor at this age. Then instead of playing at 25, where I think I knew a lot, but I didn't necessarily. So I think there, there is a lot of there, there to bring Gabby back again,

especially alongside Christian and building out that storyline I mean let's keep continuing down the line here because I think there's also a lot of there there to one Davey Rickenbacker uh again all the hits all the hits yeah so it's wild one one you know uh one cast uh fortuitous phone call away from Davey not being on this season. He would have been on Edge of Extinction were it not for a last minute dropout. But man, Davey made good on this last minute opportunity. He immediately comes in with

the blurred personality and reads these people like comic. He's the one who will find an idol himself and play it on Christian. He'll do the very fun move of distracting everybody by spinning his stick and showing off his moves while Nick goes to find the advantage.

He's somebody who's going to go off on his own and participate in one of those play in this puzzle to earn an idol for yourself. So Davey absolutely hit the ground running, in my opinion. Yes, did get blindsided a couple times particularly on the Carl vote but had such like a winning personality that obviously it won him some money in the form of Sia's fan favorite and I do think that Davey and Gabby as well are two people and that's another reason why I think Gabby could stand a chance of coming back is that they get talked about a surprising amount when i ask new era contestants about their favorite

players or who they identify with the most and maybe to your point jenny that speaks to the type of people they cast on survivor nowadays or it could possibly speak to the impact that they made as contestants or both i mean i want to say both for sure um but you're you're right like man i i love me some davey and i loved him when the season was playing out um and i just he he needs to be on tv again um And, you know, we almost we we almost got it sooner than we thought. And I'm still I'm still upset about. Yeah. And so for those that don't know, there were rumors that Davey was going to be on the cast of The Traitors season three. And it does feel like a little bit like the universe balancing itself out.

Right. That he like just made it onto the cast of david versus goliath at the last minute it only makes sense that eventually he'd get cut from a major reality show at the last minute unfortunately right you know and and i really do hope that in in this case that uh it's for you know better things to come um at a later time time and things work out in a way where, you know, it wasn't it wasn't meant to be for a reason. Because he like he played hard. He like had trinkets like he had relationships on all different. You know, he he had links with a bunch of different pockets of people

in this game like you said it was an imperfect game there were points where he wasn't looped in on what was going on um but he was so fun like he just had this joyous attitude at every turn and that is i love watching people play the game and having fun with it. And I just feel like Davey really embodied that energy. I don't know. I just I just feel super strongly that he has like some sort of like special sauce and like needs to be on TV again. I would love for it to be Survivor 50. And yeah, I don't know.

I just think that the way that they've cast, like you said, the way that they've cast the show in the new era, I think has changed a little bit. And I think that the influence of characters like, you know, the ones that we're talking about here have actually had an impact on that and that's why you're getting people like referencing these these players um so you know if they're being so highly referenced like why would we not bring them back uh i think that davy's really really special so look i say this with no impunity to the other players but i do

think from a returnee potential perspective those three are on an echelon of their own when it comes to these jurors. I agree. Yeah, so who do you want to talk about on the next tier? Because I have like a couple, but I'll be completely candid here. I think there is a significantly smaller chance of anyone in the other seven making it onto a list,

even if we necessarily want them to. And I think that that would be a different conversation if it weren't for how obviously strong those three are. And I don't think that this is just our personal bias here. I think that they're widely seen by the survivor community in general as people that they would like to see return from this season. So it's not even so much a knock at the rest of the jury. It's just that, like, it's hard to compete with with how strong we feel about these people.

Yeah, they know it's hard to compete with Christian. That's why they tried to vote him off a bunch of times. Exactly. But with that said, I feel like in terms of an overall jury on people that I think would be fun in, in a returnee season, this is such a strong jury.

So it's like being limited to only being able to take a couple from the season is really the only thing that's keeping some of these people further down. I, I will admit, uh, I, during the season, I was a little bit of a care of truther. Do we remember the care of truthers? I loved Kara Kay. I loved Kara Kay. I thought she's my kind of player, like in terms of, you know, just being a highly social. You know, force she had, she was very, very well liked. And I also think that there's no there's a situation where if she doesn't lose in fire making that she could have won the season just based on like people's feelings about her I don't know if there's been anything in recent

years that has gone against that idea but yeah there was a little bit that I apparently Angelina stood a better chance at final tribal council than what has been shown to us and then it was actually Kara that was more of the goat

apparently according to on island stuff listen okay uh i like there's you know there's issues with with that because it's like people will always talk about things in the past with like it's hard to have it not be biased by by how things turned out um and you know the what-ifs are kind of crazy but I really do think that Tara's the kind of person you put her in another cast she's going to do well because she is so um she's got a it seems like she's got a very magnetic personality. She's just, she's, you know, she works in real estate. And I think that, you know, having that personality energy, I think has brought her a lot of success in her career.

And I truly think that she's the kind of person where, you know, you put her on another cast. She's one of those people that's like she's going to do pretty well a lot of the time. And I think that we, you know, just didn't see as much of her story as we could have just because of all the other stuff that was going on but it just seems like the way that people talk about her in game and just like the relationship she had with people that um she had the social game part that can often win people the game um just the natural social ability that sometimes just wins you the game because you get to the end and you just have to get enough people that like you and want to hand you the the win and i just think that there's something about kara that she's got that uh so a couple people i wanted to highlight from the jury carl was such a fun presence i mean uh you know in a once especially

once pat was medevaced and a considerably younger David tribe besides himself he definitely stood out and just the arc of him getting quite literally drunk with power was so much fun I forgot he got drunk on more than one occasion because we always think I feel like we always think about the

reward that he where they're on the boat and he's drinking the beers. Like there's, you know, Davey pouring the beer on his head and like that particular reward being where he got a little tipsy and a little messy. But I actually realized that he,

he, he was doing that at the merge too. Like he was, there was like numerous occasions where people were like, Carl was drunk and he was talking about this and he's talking about that. And I'm like, man, what a fun guy. I love Carl. And again, like.

Throw him on another season, and I would love to watch that because I think that he just is who he is and he's always going to give that energy and he's going to have fun with it. He's another person I think that energy um and he he's gonna have fun with it he's another person i think that was like truly having fun out there probably because he was sloshed half the time listen yeah he had his own trademark onomatopoeia i don't think people can think of and be a survivor fan without carl yeah it's being nothing not dang much to microsoft's detriment the other person i want to bring up is actually the person he binged against here. I want to talk about Hot Cup Dan for a second because Dan is

somebody who has admitted he was kind of recruited for the show. He didn't watch Survivor ahead of time and he had gone viral previously due to like being a random SWAT officer, right? That was like, oh my God, look at this Hot Cup. But for what it's worth whatever

he thought he was doing he was doing it incredibly actively right we have that scene in the premiere where we actually have our first like pseudo flashback where it turns out that dan had found the idol while he was looking in the premiere he starts this like kindling of a thing with kara on the island which confused a lot of us considering maybe the social media activities of another contestant on this season uh but Dan is somebody who was very vocal during his time on the show a vehement member of Slamdown someone that much like Davey tried to use an idol on Angelina that ended up not necessarily working and getting out his number one ally. And for

what it's worth, kind of got done in pretty unfairly of playing an idol and then having it all get nullified by something that had not existed in the game before that he had absolutely no knowledge of. I do wonder if, and I've been

talking about this a lot with these seasons, if like 40 was an all-star season with the 30s contestant instead of winners of war I could have seen a case for Dan to come back then because he does have that sort of like tortures quite literally snuffed out preemptively and has the chance to find idols ready to show man's etc I feel like his time has passed especially again compared to those other three jurors we're talking about but he is someone that i did want to shout out no i i i definitely see what you're saying um you know i i have a hard time parting with some of the you know stuff that i remember about his um you know his relationships with people on, on his tribe. Like, like you said, like he had some sort of thing going on with Kara and like, while she was, while they're both still in the game, she was like, basically trying to distance herself from him being like, this guy is like kind of emotional and erratic and is very bad for my game. Like I need to, like, we almost,

you know, it wasn't really a couple but it was almost like that I'm breaking up with you while we're still on the island um and and I I don't know yes he did get screwed by the idol nullifier but I don't know like what his real chances were to do well um in terms of a win again it's hard to say um but you're right like if we were doing again i don't know why i'm bringing up game changers so much but if you wanted to do a game changers theme you could have been like did dan could you could argue anyone as a game changer based on what they did with 34 but like you could be like uh dan changed the game he he got his idol nullified even though he didn't get it nullified but like I could see them making that argument

if they had done a returnee season including his cast like a few years ago but I agree with you that I just don't know if I see it now to briefly dote on the other four here Allison is incredibly nice and I'm not entirely sure

if she deserved necessarily you know uh everything that was done to her especially the way angelina purposely hit a fake idol so she could play it uh and she's you know gone married become a mother now so kudos to her i think probably a little too low key to bring back from this cast same thing with john hennigan and elizabeth to a certain extent i think elizabeth was a really fun personality and out of these people certainly remains one of the more like actively vocal members of the community still from this cast but i think again just does not ping compared to a lot of the other people that we've talked about and suffice it to say for those that don't know uh before the season had i believe it was between the cast being announced

and the season premiering alec posted a photo on social media of him and kara which pretty much explicitly broke his nda and so he was banned from appearing at the reunion so i do not think he'd even be in productions good graces he uh has a better chance at appearing on a second season of the White Lotus than Survivor after that yeah which is too bad honestly because I I in terms of you know in a vacuum without taking all of that logical stuff into consideration about his chances of returning he's someone who's actually higher on my list of people I would, would enjoy seeing again from this cast. And, you know,

his relationship with Kara, Kara like continued on after the season. I think they broke up for a little bit, then got back together. I think maybe they aren't together anymore, but they seem like they're very close friends. And I just think that he, we didn't get to see as much of him as um i would have liked to even

though he did have like that iconic uh turning on um natalia um in this in the swap tribes like i think that he had a lot of potential for being a really really fun um character if he got to play again um because he i don't know he's kind of a ball of of energy um and yeah it's just too bad that it turned out that way that he uh you know he said eff it and maybe didn't realize what he was truly saying eff it too because i'd like to think that he he would uh you know take survivor up on an offer if they if they called him again i think he feel like he's a very adventurous guy and not the kind that would say no to opportunities all right let's move into our pre-jury here so we have of course

the tragically medevaced with his back pat cusack we have the first true boot from the Davids and the youngest castaway this season in Jessica. We have Jeremy, who caused quite a stir with his postseason press. We have the anime fighter, Bea, who ends up leaving the game after getting an injury that could jeopardize her career. We have the aforementioned Natalia, who provides one of the more fiery exits in recent memory.

And speaking of that fire, let's bring the Natalie Napalm with Natalie Cole. And we have our final pre-merge boot in one of the most unique contestants of this season in Lear sub. But of course, Jenny, when we're talking about this pre-merge, the conversation has to start. And really for me,

we can certainly donate a couple of people, but I think when we're talking about who could feasibly get brought back from this pre-jury group, it's got to begin with Natalie. Definitely one of the biggest characters from the jump. I think the person that would say even more so than other celebrities around her that she embodies Goliath tendencies the most, which makes her this big force early on. the most which makes her this big force early on and even her ouster which is a big flip and a blind side leads to as mentioned before one of the most iconic memes in survivor history yeah i mean you know and this is this isn't meant as any disrespect to the rest of this pre-merge but you know when you look at when you look at this pre-merge, like I see an icon.

OK, like I see a very, very clear person that it should be in the conversation here. And, you know, I I don't think that anyone should be against having Natalie on on their TV again. I would love to see her with a whole different crop of of people i would love to see what where that leads us um because she just the just the queen energy that she brings like the she is the goliath queen you know um and like the podcasts i've heard with her uh you know since being on survivor i truly think that she would accept the offer in a second and we would all be uh you know enriched for that um just yeah just such a one of the most memorable and iconic pre-adjors that you could ever think of and it makes me like through this exercise I've been thinking about like god I wish that there

could be like several returnee seasons with like different themes and because I think that you could easily do a like pre-juror only returnee or a pre-juror tribe even on a certain season and i just think that she's top of the list when it comes to that yeah i mean listen we want contestants to start on problematic drama on survivor and natalie brought that again from the very beginning she was unabashedly herself and then immediately started wearing thin with everyone around her and it got to the point that she will insult

you and then be like and I love your skin you know what I mean exactly like that is the complexity that she gained she has some of my favorite final words in recent memory with I didn't give Angelina my jacket because I didn't know if she was part of the reason why i'm out so why should i i don't have to and i chose not to like it's just wearing yeah she's just such a fantastic

character from a gameplay perspective listen i'm not entirely sure uh how much more she could bring though maybe it's just a circumstance of like put her on a tribe that keeps on winning and let her get to the merge and see how she can individually dominate this game but no matter how many episodes you get natalie cole for it's gonna be an incredible time and i would say give this woman as many articles of clothing as possible and just have her be the closed goodwill of like nope no charity here people you're gonna have to do something really good in my eyes to get my clothing yeah let's increase the amount of articles of clothing that people can bring but only for natalie just and she has to hoard them and decide decide if anyone gets them and hopefully no one does. The other person that I really want to highlight here

is Lyrsa. Lyrsa, yes. I absolutely love Lyrsa. She is such a fiery personality. Of course, it's as colorful as the hair that she dons. And Lyrsa had a little bit of an underdog narrative to her, right? That like initially she was perceived to be a liability

in the challenges to the point that she is called out alongside Christian as, hey, Goliaths, pick who you think are the two weakest Davids to complete this challenge. And then they end up beating the Goliaths. Lyris has a very fun relationship with Elizabeth. That's this classic survivor example, right, of like

two people who probably would just pass each other on the street without giving each other the time of day, become each other's tightest allies. And, you know, I don't think Lyris got screwed as much each other the time of day, become each other's tightest allies. And, you know, I don't think Lyrsa got screwed as much as other members of her cast, but I did feel bad that basically because she was just cast on, like, the randomly assorted worst team in challenges, she ends up having to barely not make the merge. And maybe it's also because she's come on the podcast and, again,

has been active on social media. You know, maybe in a different role to your point if it's like a pre-jury season over learsta could have seen a second life but i really liked that i what i saw of her on the season i completely agree um you know aside from natalie she she is someone that i think is worth really talking about um and and you know falls victim to the fact that this cast is just so strong overall that i think that we can make a much stronger case for her needing to return or being in consideration if not for the fact of how many other options there are um and i agree you know like she i i think that the season could be uh different for her if she can just survive that swap tribe

you know format like I really think that she had a lot in her and I would love to see what another game for her would look like because I think she's really fun but yeah I agree with

you that's why I'm saying like I would love for there to be a theme where we bring back people that aren't just like the, you know, the obvious top people that, you know, give us the second chances of people that it's a true, not just a second chance of playing the game, but it's like a second chance of showing us what we missed out on by them, you know, just not making it far enough in, in their initial game. Um, and that's someone that I, I again, feel like I would be happy to see again. I just don't know, uh,

if depending on what 50 looks like, I just don't know if that's where it would happen. To that point. Do you think they should have found one other person that got medevaced before day three and have them and Pat return alongside Bruce for Survivor 45? I mean, you know, that that at least kind of makes it a little bit more fair if you want. Yeah, I mean, it's an incredibly rough outing for Pat that those who don't remember. It was very, very rough weather for the first part of David vs. Goliath to the point that they are actually evacuated at one point due to a cyclone.

And so, you know, for those that don't know, contestants are voted back to and from tribal council challenges, etc. On the way back from the first immunity challenge that the Davids lost, there was some really, really inclement weather, and the bow was tossing and turning back and forth, and it got to the point that apparently they hit a really rough wave, and Pat landed on his back wrong and put it into incredibly bad shape to the point where he was medevaced before even getting to cast a vote. So I always have a soft spot for him as well. Of course, Pat tweaks backs.

All right. Is one of my favorite wand off earworms, but it's interesting. Yeah. To see like Bruce get an opportunity to come back almost immediately, but just due to the circumstances, there wasn't that chance for Pat. No.

And I think that truly that it would, would have been the, the one point where it made sense, because I think that, that it would would have been the the one point where it made sense because i think that you know when you're bringing back someone that didn't even get to a vote um you're you're not really setting them up uh to play in a way that other people who actually at least you know played one full round of survivor uh did and that's why i think um including him on like any other uh returnee cast doesn't feel right um whereas you know that idea you have putting david alexander on big brother all-stars right right that's why i

actually think it's too bad because i do like that idea you had about, you know, like bring him and Bruce as like captains of a new new cast where it's like, well, we're almost all on the same page. It's like I went through a lot of this process and I was I was kind of there, but I wasn't really I didn't really get to play. I was kind of there, but I wasn't really I didn't really get to play. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, sometimes this is just how these things work out. But I would hesitate to ever bring back someone in his situation with on a true returnee cast. But again, that's why it's like there's been so many great people that have played Survivor that, you know, There's been so many great people that have played Survivor that look at the immense list that you're coming up with while trying to do this Survivor 50 wish list. We could come up with numerous returnee seasons with different themes and use a ton of different people. And I just think that that's a that's a fun way way to do it like why can't we do uh 50 a 50 b 50 c like i'm just saying well listen listen it only makes sense that modern survivor which

could sometimes confuse with its amount of advantages and idols would also confuse with like the subsets of seasons that would exist simultaneously no theme it's just 50 a 50 b like let's just make this so yeah not only we're just using numbers now we're using numbers and letters in combination as well it's like reading a map well regardless

will be a mess yeah we had the map to survivor david versus goliath now we got to pick some landmarks let's do this. Let's try to make it more streamlined here. Why don't you give me your top five and I will see if my top five matches up and we'll see who's coming out here.

I think we're very close to being on the same page here, which is why I thought that this would be a hard exercise. But at the same time, knowing what the limits are, I do think that there are some very, very clear top choices here. So I would say that my top five is going to be my top five baby is going to be. So I was I was preparing for the longest time for only four. And thank God we have an extra slot to work with here. For me, those four would have been Angelina.

Christian, Gabby and Davey. And so obviously, I would like to keep those four within the five. Now, the five spot is where things get a little complicated, and I feel like I have maybe two that I'm considering. Do you want to tell me where you're at, or do you want me to give you the ones I'm considering for that fifth spot? No, because I were very much on the same wavelength

to the point that I can probably even imagine what the two you are between for your fifth spot. So my top five also had the same four that you mentioned in Angelina, Davey, Christian, Gabby. I did have Mike as my fifth. Now part of that is because I knew obviously

coming into this that he does want to play again honestly that fifth spot is between him and Natalie for me and I think that those are the exact same two people and I think that between Mike making it so far through the game between Mike obviously having a large reputation to him now even more so from the outside world that could bring eyes to Survivor. The fact that he does have, and compared to Natalie, a little bit more age on his side.

Mike is 54, whereas Natalie is now 63, which is not like a huge non-starter, but look, you know, a significant chunk of time between the two of them. And the fact that he is still in the good graces of production to the point that jeff actually called him before the new era started to be like we're trying this thing do

you think it'll work i feel like as much as i adore natalie and as much as i am almost guaranteed that there's a chance natalie is probably going to get on through this list as a wild card that i think mike is much more likely to come back to Natalie yeah I think I that's where I struggle with because I yeah the emotional part where I'm like oh we got a fifth spot let's let's get Natalie on um Mike are you telling me that if we don't put Natalie like how good can I feel about a wild card situation here like how do you feel about that because I think that

do you really think that if we don't put Natalie on that the fans will be like I'm good I don't want to see Natalie Cole on a ballot yeah but then it's like does that mean that we should just do it here no we only have time okay Yeah. But then it's like, well, does that mean that we should just do it here? I'm just.

OK, I really just I think I went in, especially because I was like even though it would be so great and it would be so fun and you you got to think that there's like the what-ifs of being so close to you know potentially having won that season um I just really didn't think that I was going to be including him because I was like, will they will they even ask him? Is it even possible? And I feel like there's just with both Mike and Natalie, there's a certain element of like, do you really think it'll happen? That is kind of giving me pause and it's making, but for different reasons. So it's really challenging me on like making a decision

between the two. But I'm sensing from you, like you're basically saying like you think it should be Mike White for sure. I personally am, if I have a horse in this race, it would be for Mike.

Put me on season four of the White Lotus. But listen, I could be convinced for Natalie if you feel like resoundingly it should be Natalie over Mike. I mean, it does feel like in true survivor fashion, I threw this little twist at you by being like you had your mind set on four.

And so introducing a fifth. I already had a whittle. Yeah. Oh, wow. OK. I mean, I feel I feel good about it no matter what. So it's it's it's really fine. And I think that if we're using the rationale of like, how can you look at this cast and say you don't want this person back? And that's not that word.

If we don't include them, it's saying we don't want them back. But it's like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, OK, I think I think I can get on board. I think I can get on board here. I think I think we can I think we can lock this in. But this is let me let me be on the record for saying. think we can lock this in but this is let me let me be on the record for saying natalie deserves to be on on the ballot i don't disagree people will certainly let their voices be heard i will get a full face full of the natalie napalm from the fans out there but

for today we are putting on sending forward to our high class resort that is the survivor 50 wish list alongside ages we have mike white age 54 we have angelina keely age 35 davy rickenbacker age 36 christian hubicki age 38 and gabby pascusi age 31 we've got two Goliaths and three Davids, Jenny. OK, that's great. That's great. I like what a great shortlist. I just feel like so such a strong shortlist. And I feel very, very strongly that at least two of these people, at least two of these people will actually end up on survivor 50

all right well speaking outside of survivor 50 jenny is there anyone from this cast that you would want to see on another reality show yeah so it's like i mean you're always gonna think about uh you know with this question you're gonna think about like okay what are what are some of the shows that i like watch and podcast about obviously like right now i am podcasting claim to fame and it's funny we made the joke but like uh you know you need to be a relative of a celebrity to be on claim to fame um you can argue mike white is a celebrity he definitely is one of mike white's relatives be on and much like much like John Cryer, he shows up. Yeah.

And that would be, oh my God, what a gift that would be. But I actually was thinking of a different show I've podcasted. The Dondi, Deal or No Deal Island, which I think like, you know, we talk about some of these people who've played Survivor or maybe Big Brother being brought back onto shows that are a little bit shorter time commitment and, you know, like the traitors of it all. And, you know, we just saw for those who didn't watch Deal or No Deal Island, Boston Robb returned to TV to play that game and did quite well. Bob returned to TV to play that game and did quite well. And I think that it's just like, wow, how how appealing to play this shorter commitment. They're basically glamping. It's, you know, got some social elements, but it's also just got a little bit of luck and a little bit of knowing your odds. And I couldn't help but think

of christian yubicki for that yeah i can just imagine him like you know playing the the odds of and i know that he at least like i don't know if he was fully watching it but deal or no deal alan sent him like one of those uh like promotion boxes yeah um he did like an unboxing video for me oh yeah i think christian would be perfect if and when they do an american version of the genius he's a lot he's a lot to bring on right this is a guy that's happening i mean i would imagine they're doing a british version that is releasing at some point and so i imagine it's eventually going to make its way further to the west and i think that christian is someone that again thrives in these social strategy games especially the chaos of like having a different game each and every time he can obviously think in the moment as to

how to deal with those things so I think he would just be a fantastic block for that yeah no I mean I think that you know he's such a fun character and he's so smart and so capable that I could argue him being on on any show, really. But, yeah, that that's where my brain went. Like, listen, we talked about the, you know, what ifs of Davey being on the traitors. Again, I'm including the people that we're putting on this list. But, like, I can't stop thinking about how fun Gabby would be on the traders. You know, I think that any of these people,

you bring them back. I would be happy now. What could we see? You said, you said Mike White's not going to do big brother. What about a celebrity? Big brother. He could possibly do a celebrity.

Big brother. I think that could be, I think he's a bigger celebrity than many people they've had 100 uh you know maybe he would do like a reindeer game style like i can leave and come back right like i don't have to live here do i yeah i mean that would be really fun let's let's keep the let's get the trifecta going here um i'll just say let's fully in favor of that how about angelina on let's make a deal yeah that's perfect it was great I mean she could be on deal or no deal

island too it's like you're making deals no I think Angelina should be the banker on deal or no deal island I think she should be the one being like this is the offer that I'm making I think with no offense to Howie Mandel I think that would be the much bigger reveal at the end of the finale yeah yeah that would be very, very fun.

Sign me up for that. That sounds great. Well, Jenny, much like the banker himself, we were wealthy in this podcast. We had so much great content to go through such a great cast and ultimately produce five names to put on the short list

in the form of Mike White, Angelina, Davey, Christian, and Gabby. Monday, we are doing Edge of Mike White, Angelina, Davey, Christian, and Gabby. Monday, we are doing Edge of Extinction, a very interesting season where we get four returning players, we get the introduction of the Edge of

Extinction that causes one of the most unsuspecting winners of all time in the form of Chris Underwood. Jenny, who from this season would you put on your personal wish list oh for edge of extinction um i would put victoria all right there we go that's the top choice that uh you know in in the quick thinking that i did was i quick thinking i'd say pretty quick thinking,

but we're going to try to not, we're going to try to not speed our way through what is, again, a very intriguing cast for Edge of Extinction, as I'll be joined by Matt Liguori to break down the cast of Survivor 38, the returnees, the newbies, et cetera. Jenny, we've alluded to it before,

but you're doing plenty of podcasting out there right now. What would you like to plug for the listeners? The aforementioned Claim to Fame. If you are not watching Claim to Fame, you are missing out on a wonderful, strategic and fun show over on ABC and I believe streaming on Hulu. We have just at this point just finished our week three of Claim to Fame season three and Rob

and I got together with the great Kelly Wentworth oh we'll talk about her tomorrow yeah exactly very timely so check that out robhasawesite.com forward slash fame feed we have a dedicated Claim to Fame feed and anything else I'm doing,

I'll be on social media at Jenny autumn. And I'm just, I'm so glad we got to do this, Mike, you know, damn, damn these limited time podcasts. Cause the two of us could literally just marathon.

We are like the Christian Yubiki endurance challenge of podcasting sometimes, or was like, we can just keep this going. And having you on was as sweet and delicious as a macaron, which I've had plenty of. So I'll be back on a Monday with Matt Liguori to talk through Survivor. But definitely recommend Claim to Fame, especially if you don't watch Big Brother and you're looking for something

to occupy your Wednesday night until Survivor comes back in less than a couple of months. Definitely check out Claim to Fame and the podcast coverage. Speaking of podcasts, I hope everyone has a great weekend. Rest up because we are going to start entering the endgame as we look at the end of the 30s and beginning of the 40s next week, starting with

Edge of Extinction on Monday. Thank you all so much for listening. Take care. Bye-bye.