RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor 51 B&B Ep 3 | Mary Kwiatkowski

Episode Date: October 11, 2026

Survivor 51 B&B Ep 3 | Mary Kwiatkowski Also available on YouTube. With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor that week. This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Mary Kwiatkowski to give their thoughts on Episode 3 of Survivor 51! This week’s charity shoutout is Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, which works to create and support one-to-one mentoring relationships that ignite the power and promise of youth. Click here to donate. If you have any suggestions for games or feedback for the B&B, feel free to reach out to us on social media or email rhapbnb [at] gmail [dot] com. 00:00 Rob’s Controversial Quit Debated 06:16 Kilby Blindsided by Tribal Shift 13:40 Tribal Swap Teased, Alliances Shaken 19:54 Rob Denies Quit, Fans React 26:45 Carter’s Mutiny: Missed or Masterful? 33:52 Maggie Gains Extra Vote Advantage 41:14 Kilby Out, Five-Person Alliance Cracks 47:56 Lewis and Carter Spark Chaos 54:27 Carter Navigates Post-Flip Fallout 01:01:01 Mike Overlooked as Strategic Threat 01:07:00 Rob and Patt Exit Predictions 01:15:00 Survivor Fashion: Buff or Snuff 01:47:19 Charity Spotlight and Game Night If you have any suggestions for games or feedback for the B&B, feel free to reach out to us on social media or email rhapbnb [at] gmail [dot] com. Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Hi everybody and welcome to the RHAP B&B for week three of Survivor 51. My name is Mike Bloom, and we have yet another jam-packed episode to break down here with a couple of brutal departures, cuts that hit me harder than the ones on the bottom of Rob's feet, though that is saying a lot. We got a lot to get into, and I'm so excited that much like Lewis and Carter this week, feel like I'm in the middle because I am joined by both people who I get to play Survivor games with every week this fall. First, of course, Donna,

how are you? Doing wonderful. Although I missed the boat by accident and now I'm stuck here doing the B&B, but you know what? I'm happy because of our wonderful guest this week. If I had a nickel every time I was a default choice, I wouldn't need to, I wouldn't need to play Survivor. But regardless, I'm so thrilled to welcome this person to the podcast to talk about the frail state, perhaps, that Rob was left in the frail state of that majority alliance on Toka as well. Mary Kukowski, how you doing? Doing good. Yeah, excited to be here. I've rebranded my entire podcasting personality as just Game Central. So it's all doing now. You mute need over to Game Central now.

I did. I did. You know, I like it over here. So I take a lot of inspiration from the B&B. Well, let's talk about your thoughts on this particular game. because, I mean, we are three for three, in my opinion, of immensely eventful and enjoyable episodes. But I don't want to put words in your mouth. Whatever your thoughts been about 51 so far? I would say, like, if episode one started me out as like, so let's remove the bias that returning player seasons bring in

because it's so fun to just like see people come back. But for new player seasons, if I would rank, I would probably, I'd have to rewatch, But I'd say like episode one I started, I came in. No expectations had I came in like a casual, had done no prior research. And I left that episode being like, wow, I'm surprisingly hyped for this season. It was like, it was like a seven and a half to eight out of ten for me. I was like, this is pretty good.

Love, love what's happening. There's a lot of new stuff. And then it's only climbed since then. Episode three, all of my friends who are watching, we all text each other and we're like, was that like an amazing episode of Survivor? Or is it just me? Are we just like over-hyping this? Because we're having fun.

I completely agree. I think not only do the individual episodes stand on their own, but I think it's also been a very fun three-episode arc. Yes. With if you think about all the different sagas, okay? So like let's think about the Rob saga, the finding the idol, the battling with Rhode Island,

you know, the battle over Rhode Island or whatever it was. Then we have the attempted vote out. And then his ultimate quit, yes, it's a quit. Then you have like, the Carter saga over like everything that Carter went through from, you know, the fact that like he has the misunderstanding about the crabs to missing the boat on accident. Like there's just so many little nuggets that even over the course of like these three episodes tell this cohesive story, they really just make this season so fun so far. Well, not to mention, again,

I would not say this is necessarily a strategy forward season, but all three votes have been so interesting so far, which again, if we look at, a lot at especially recent seasons the first few votes have been so cut and dry. This is I guess what would the opposite be like paste and wet? Is that the opposite of cut and dry? I guess.

I don't think anyone's using that as a phrase. It's a real paste and wet season. Am I right? It is now. Because I mean, think about the fact and I treated about this, but think about the first episode Poka goes to tribal council and we get this weird,

fluid, live situation. somewhat where Devin and Jelly they started in this not majority alliance, but like the most solid alliance built in the early hours of the season, then gets torn apart when Alia gets voted out. Episode two, you talk about arcs here,

Leanna. Okay, now we have this alliance of five and it's only 10 people, but it seems like they have the numbers and then they come back to their second tribal council as Toka and they get blindsided in a 6 to 5 vote.

Like, even the fact that we got a six to four vote and a six to five vote back to back, I have spent nights the past half decade praying for times like this, let alone part to happen back to back in episode two and three of a season. And the thing is like when they had, I do think larger tribes creates this. Now it's possible that you have a large tribe and they all just go, okay, let's vote out the easiest person. And that will probably happen occasionally. But you have the ability to have multiple alliances who all think they have the numbers

when you have bigger tribe numbers. When you only have six people, if you see three people together and the other three people are not together, it's like, okay, well, we got a three and a two and a two and a one. Like,

what are we doing here? It's too obvious where the numbers are. And it's too obvious, um, either like who the biggest threat is to vote out or who the weakest link is. we can kind of, you can kind of see it going either way. But it's, it's really hard to have votes where you've got multiple names out there that are receiving large numbers of votes and multiple people thinking that the vote is going to go their way. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just, it's, it's refreshing.

Yeah, there's just like more permutations of possible outcomes, right? Because you have more people. And it's really interesting to see where even on, you know, this last vote where it's a six to five vote, you still have Kilby thinking like, well, don't worry because, you know, Brodies, let's go. man or whatever, right? So then there's still, even within that... Take the controller, Brody. The control or Brody. Yeah, there's like still, there's so, there's so many connections, which I think really allows for this. And I would even say, like, we had two really close votes, but even the six to two vote from the first episode, like, yes, ultimately it did end up being a more of a majority. However, that being said, it was still a live tribal. So I would still

put that out there as, you know, a bit up in the air as well, that not just like a pure, okay, the majority knows what they're doing. It's fine. deadlock, like, we know what we're doing here. So I think that that also is what makes every single episode so fun when the outcome is really up in the air. Yeah, I mean, you talk about up in the air. I don't think we really have any solid majority, which is I think especially important going into this swap,

which has been pretty much outright referenced in the next episode, where, again, the most solid group in the game besides this helicopter alliance that was immediately split up, was this group of five in Toka, and they just got outvoted. One of the reasons why Lewis and Carter flip, besides just for the lulls, is because they feel like,

hey, we could be on the bottom of a really solid group or maybe be on the top of this rag-tagged bunch of misfits that, as you mentioned, Leanna, are less so six and more so like a three and a three or a two and a one and a three, just take all the sort of permutations that I think opens up the game for lack of a better term.

But there's three big events I think we need to walk through here in this episode. It starts with someone who walked from the game. And it sucks again that, you know, there's so much to get into with this episode, so much great stuff. But I feel like the discourse,

by and large, and I'm not completely surprised by it, has been around what happened in the first seven to 10 minutes here, which is Rob's departure. Like you said, Liana, the end of truly one of the most unpredictable arcs we've seen, especially from a character that lasted two and one eighth episodes, essentially.

So, Mary, I need your perspective on the Rob A experience and what your thoughts were when all outright say it as well, he quit the game. So I don't normally appreciate quitters. I think the occasional quit in Survivor is, exciting and does add a level of, hey, this is hard. This game is hard to the show that kind of proves its point. I do think there should be both on the show and outside the show, like, production-wise.

I think there should be some sort of penalty-ish from quitting the show. Now, that penalty might just be like, you're not invited back ever, like, that kind of thing. Oh, I mean, yeah. I mean, that's pretty much written in like Invisible Ink. Sure. And so like I think that's fine. It could be, it could be, hey, we're going to give you a bad edit, basically. And honestly, for someone who quit the game, he got a pretty favorable edit for the first two episodes, a big, exciting character.

And then, and then they were like, we're not going to pretend. And it felt like that bird in his first confessional this episode. Yes. Because you can't, like, you can't lock people into needing to stay. I would rather someone if they wanted to leave. I would actually rather them just like quietly behind the scene. kind of convince everybody else to vote them out. Actually, here's what we haven't seen.

I want to see the rom-com dating trope of like get them to break up with you. I want to see that. Nobody has gone like full scorched earth. Like, I just want to cause chaos in the effort to get voted out. Like that's what I want to see. I want to see Rob give his idol to Carter, Eric, or somebody and then be like, I'm about to cause a ton of chaos. And then just, you know, whether you're.

Jatia throwing the rice in the fire, whether you're like just, you know, spreading information all around. Like this, I mean, I don't want everybody to do this, but I want to see it happen once. I mean, I feel like we did see it once and its name was Brandon Hans. Okay, I know you're going to say that. So I'm not, I'm not because I don't believe that that was like, I want to see someone do it in the positive prank way. I want to see someone do it in the like, I want to be voted out. but I can't, I don't want to just tell everyone, oh, vote me out, I want to go home.

I don't want to see that. Yeah, I get it. My main thought on the whole Rob situation, though, is this is like more of a big brother thing, but in Survivor, what I want is when someone has left the game, whether they got voted out, whether they quit, whatever.

I want you to read the room enough to know what you need to say afterward is just, yeah, honestly, I regret it, but I wanted to go home. Whoops. That's what I want. Because people are going to be less annoyed with that than someone trying to convince you that they actually got medevacked. When someone gets voted out from Big Brother or Survivor, don't come out, recognize,

watch the show and hear everyone talking and recognize that you actually were not running the game and we're not in the no. Don't try to keep convincing us that you were running the game and you only made one mistake. Just be like, yeah, wow, I was blindsided. I was out of it. Just admit that. If you just do it and you do it jokingly, like I said, people are going to be like, oh, good on them for owning it. I'm Mary. That is an incredibly measured, grounded, and rational response. Those people do not go on

reality TV, my friend. The thing is, I want you to be, I want you to be a reality TV character when you're on reality TV. I don't need you to do that when you're now back at home. Break the fourth wall. Tell me that you were playing a character. I don't mind it. I'm so here. for the delusion. To me, it's almost like, it's just fascinating, watching him on the show and then obviously all of the discourse after. But like even on the show,

like I wrote down the exact quote. It was, yeah, it's a, I can't remember exactly what he said, but basically like somehow it's dishonorable if you just quit unless you're going out for a medical reason. Yeah, as soon as he says that. I believe he said, like,

if I didn't want to quit because that would be ruining the game. Now, if I were to leave for medical reasons, that would be something different. Exactly. Oh, by the way, my foot hurts. And as soon as he said that, I was like, oh, he's going to pull himself from the game, like for medical reasons. So it's just like, it's just fascinating to watch someone like justify their behavior

within the framework of like, both obviously Survivor and the Survivor fans and Jeff and all of that, but also just like this universe that they've crafted in their own head of how they have to behave. because frankly, from an embarrassment perspective, I think it would have been less embarrassing if you had just quit. Like, it's more embarrassing to go do all of this stuff. So it just, it absolutely fascinates me. So I understand, Mary, that perspective. From a TV viewing perspective, though, this is nuts. So behavior and I like it. Yeah, I think I just like it's the, I would be so embarrassed to be sitting there with the host of the show and a medical professional telling me. that everything is most likely fine

and me try to be the kid who's faking sick going to school trying to insist. I literally thought we were about two seconds away from him pivoting and being like, okay, well, actually my stomach also hurts. Like, thinking, what's a thing they will not be able to see

and then justify? Like, I think that that's, that's where I'm at. Honestly, I was shocked that there was a cut on the foot because I really thought he was just being like, it's, I mean, I don't, I'm not going to lie.

I don't even know if he knew the cut. was on the foot. I think it was oh yeah, yeah, this is the cut, yep, it must have been that. I love him. I love I loved him prompting Dr. Barry

of, well, what about infection? Like, surely there must be something going on there. The doctor's like, I mean, yeah, I don't, I don't want to get sued, so I suppose there's always a chance for, there's a chance for infection if you like stubbed your toe on a palm tree. He's like, all right, that's it, I'm out. I heard it loud and clear, doc. Can't risk it.

And this is the perspective I'm coming from is that like ultra marathons have an award usually at the end for the, that's called best blood for the person who, because everybody's falling and scraping themselves up and hurting themselves. And like I was four miles into a half marathon back in March. And I just tripped over nothing and ate it. And I rolled over and stood up and everyone behind me is like, oh, because my arm just had dripping down it. And I was like, all right, I can either stop now. but I'm like on pace to do pretty good. So maybe I'm going to win best blood, baby. And so like that's my perspective of like, yeah, I mean, look, I'm not that I could then go home and clean it.

It's not like I had to worry about infection. But I think there's just this element of, I want some people to like, you know, is it Kristen, Kirsten? Kirsten? Yeah, Kristen. Yeah, I want people to be, to want to be out there enough to remain out there. even if it gets a little, a little tricky. Don't,

don't like sacrifice your body for the game. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. But you didn't even follow up on this. Did you end up winning best blood after that tumble? Well, that race didn't have a best blood award. But I did get a PR,

so I was pretty happy. Oh, okay. And all of my, all of my pictures look pretty gnarly from that race. That's actually pretty badass. I'm here for that. I did. I did think I looked pretty cool.

Well, I mean, and that's, okay, so that, that's like the one thing about Rob that I do understand, especially for people who are really big fans of the show, who have specifically who have been applying, like, to have somebody, you know, take that slot from somebody who really would want to be there. Like, I can understand why that would frustrate people. I think, again, for me, like, I'm here for a wacky reality TV experience. Like, my first reality TV shows were not Big Brother and Survivor. They were, like, flavor of love and those kinds of shows. So, like, that's kind of more, that's why I'm a little bit okay with it.

But, you know, Mary, again, like, you're, you, you are a normal human being. Rob is not. Let me, and let me give a completely counter story to what I just told that I just remembered. I also, they're all running related, sorry. I ran cross country in high school. And every single cross country race I ever ran at about a mile in, my brain just went, how can I fake an injury to get out of this? How can I fake an injury to get out of this?

And I never did, but I contemplated it. every time. Every time I was thinking, how can I fall to realistically look like I sprained my ankle without actually doing damage? Because I didn't actually hurt myself, of course. So I understand the concept of like, this is going to be hard. I don't know that I actually want to do this trying to quit, unfortunately successfully quitting. And then having to kind of live with that forever. I'm like, oh, shoot, not only do I maybe regret this. Um, you know, and I, look, I'm not the kind of person who says that everyone needs to be a super fan who will do anything to stay there. I think we need a mix of people.

I want a wide range, which I think also I like that this season we're moving away a little bit from casting 50% the same archetype that we've seen the last 10 seasons. So I like that. But I just one time, one time I want to see an exit interview with someone where they just admit it. That's all I want. But it makes it so much fun when they don't. And here's the thing is that I understand.

the argument. I personally am not anti-quit as a concept. A, there's myriad reasons why you do it. You know, someone like Jenna Maraska in All-Stars is a great example of that. You know, I don't necessarily

ascribe too much to the, you know, this could have gone to someone much more deserving in terms of a casting slot thing because I think we all have experiences where we say we want to do something and then we tough it out for a few days and we're like, this isn't me. And I, as much as,

you know, we do pride grit out there. If you don't want to be out there, don't be out there. I am anti-denying the fact that you quit. I think that is the biggest thing that is really rubbing people the wrong way, much like those grains of sand in poor Rob's foot, is that he both on and off island has vehemently denied that he quit, that he's claiming it's more of what, like a, it's weird because it's not even a self-medevac,

because again, a medical professional told him to his face, there is no reason why you should leave the game right now. And on paper, it comes across like, that's great for you to say, I'm going to take my own advice here and pull myself because I'm just a little too worried. He did his own research. I'm trying to remember.

Did B, was hers counting as a quit or a medivac? It's kind of as a quid. And that was, yeah, that was, for those that don't remember, it was, you know, we saw a little bit of scrapping in this challenge, but there was a challenge in David versus Goliath where I don't actually think it was when they were scrapping. I think it was like her going over a hitching post or something. She heard her knee. She's an MMA fighter. She did not want to risk her career. And so she decided to pull herself from the game. Yeah. So like that one one example I feel like, I feel like that that makes sense. And I understand like exactly what you're saying about Jenna Maraska. I think it's interesting that, that Jenna Maraska, the one example I can think of where someone left the game and I don't think they counted as a quit or a medevac is Terry Dietz. Is that? Yeah, I would say that they, they, I don't even pick on the wiki. They call it like family emergency or something. Yeah, and I mean, I guess it's like, okay, that's not exactly the same thing that happened

with Jenna, but it's similar. I think it's incredible. I mean, obviously two very different medical cases, like even Rob can say that. But like, yeah, I think two very similar situations in terms of, hey, there's something going on outside of the game. Jenna wasn't alerted to it. It was more for something that she inherently felt, but it wound up being quite for two additional timing.

If Jenna had gotten a call, I think I would hope that she would be in the same category of Terry that they would not count that as a quit. I don't know. I put like Jenna quit asterisks on the side for hers. Yeah. It's so interesting though that you were talking about like, oh, he had such a Sterling edit for the first two episodes. Because I'm going to push back against that.

Well, okay. I'm sure you watch these. This is like based on watching two episodes. And what I mean by Sterling have is like they could have just hidden him and buried him and not shown him at all. No, I think they wanted to make an example out of him. I think ever since the whole... Now, what's surprising is that Jeff was stunningly steeled through all of this.

And maybe it's because he didn't want to tell Rob to his face, like, yeah, you're making up the fact that you're going through pain. Like, even the people that were trashing Rob and their confessionals were like, I'm not denying the fact that he probably isn't, you know, feeling comfortable right now. I'm just debating the timing in which he decided to disclose this information. but I feel like after especially the Hannah and Sean double quit in 45, Jeff was

very upfront about like, you know, the people who quit, they're not getting their torches snuffed anymore, you know, we're, I don't know if they were doing some stuff behind the scenes as well to try to distance, I devise people from it. But I feel like they buried this guy, certainly in episode three. And I think if you look back on episodes one and two,

like especially two, this guy was the biggest buffoon on the beach. I think we sometimes conflate like, amount you're showing up on screen, quantity versus quality. And I think not to say that, as he mentioned, like if he had decided to ask to be voted out,

that he would have been given more of a purple edit. I think he certainly had a major impact on the first few episodes. But I think after they saw what happened, I think they were more than happy to build this guy up as this big bravado-filled, braggadocious man to then promptly crush him by having him get taken out with everyone kind of laughing behind his back.

I mean, yeah, the first two episodes were definitely OTT, but with an N twist on it, like a negative twist on the edit. Like, for example, when he finds the idol, you don't get that triumphant music of like, yeah, he find the idol. It's like still kind of goofy music. And then I would say in episode three specifically, I mean, first of all, Sassy Jeff was absolutely back. And he was pissing me off. Jeff was pissing me off in episode one. Jeff has redeemed himself now with his reaction to Rob, where he like comes out with medical. He's like, I'm not missing this. Like I'm coming, I'm coming out here. And his, his line to Rob that was like, why didn't you call us sooner? Huh? Why didn't call us sooner? He's like, full sassy Jeff. And then even in the, um,

the, uh, oh my God, when they all come out for immunity, uh, he is very clear. Rob chose to leave, okay? He didn't say the cue word, but Rob was like, or Jeff was like, no, no, no,

no, he chose. He chose this. Okay, I'm not letting this one slide. Also, I, um, yeah,

I love Jeff being there and just like, essentially doing the, like, Jim Halpert look at the camera. We, we know what this is. Like, that's like kind of what the whole vibe was.

Um, and I, I agree with you. Like, episode one would have been even higher than whatever my original rating was without the Jeff moment. So I needed the Jeff redemption and it happened here. So this was fun.

I'm trying to see already if like Wikipedia what they what they technically count this as. I think they put it as quit. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, quit. Okay. It's a quit. Which is again, very, very weird as to why like if Rob is claiming he's not a quitter,

then what is this then? This is you taking your health into your own, like, hands. Like, no. Self-medical evacuation? Like, that's not a thing. Yeah. Did he call it a medivac? He just has it.

He's just said in interviews that he didn't quit. I think he's saying, like, I left the game for medical reasons is what he's saying or like left the game. I don't know. So, but again, I agree. The other person I thought of was Matthew from 44 who has a shoulder injury. I did look. His is also technically acquit.

Even though he tore like, well, according to the Wikipedia article, for him. Apparently, it was like a six month of physical therapy to recover after having surgery and stuff. So like that's a real injury. Like that's an understandable reason. I think the thing is, though, that like people have had real injuries. Like Missy, you know, had a real injury, but didn't quit the game.

So I guess that they're- precedent. She's the hobbling around smile across her face. I think the precedent is if your injury is not all basically already infected or something that we are like. Because Kyle, I believe, was medically evacuated, right? He was. And it was it because they felt like we can't do anything that you will not damage this further by just being out here,

even if you sat out at every challenge or something. It's a weird thing we're like, because if you saw the secret scene from last week where the doctor who has had just a field day across a week of the season so far, if he gets paid like per visit, he is raking in it at this point. He does pay a visit to Kristen and he tells her basically like, you know, you broke part of your foot, you snapped some tendons, but you could still continue in the game. And yeah, it's a little different than Kyle, right, which was you tore your Achilles,

this is going to be really tough to heal out here, so we have to pull you. Like, again, medical jargon and diagnosis and prognosis are very fine lines. And so it does feel like despite it being located, you know, in relatively the same part of the body, I guess for Kristen, it wasn't like,

we feel like your body cannot naturally heal out here. So we have to send you home. Yeah. It's an interesting line. And I know that like there were there have a lot of been a lot of people who've sort of quit the game for medicalish reasons. Um, sort of kind of like this sort of self-diagnosed ones. I think the main difference is the edit of this one of usually the edit is like the game's not going this person's way. And then they have a medical issue, not a.

serious enough one to leave. And they're like, you know what, no, I'm just, I'm going to leave anyway. The way this one was presented was more like, I want to quit. Okay, let me make up a medical issue. Whether or not there was any injury. I believe that every person probably on Survivor, almost everyone, could come up with something that ails them out there. Yeah, that's, so my theory at this point, and this is completely unfounded, because I think there actually has been some misinformation that Rob has cleared up that people are like, oh, he made up this injury. His story is that, you know, it's that, oh, why did he

try to vote himself out at that tribal council? It's because, according to him, that he was already feeling that much pain. And so he was like, let me create this way to go for myself. You know, incredibly new, though, I will give him credit for innovation. my personal theory is that sure this injury could have happened. I feel like it's the cherry on top of the cake. You know, he mentions at the top of the episode.

He'd only slept four hours across four days. I think he was exhausted. I think he was over this experience. And I think much like you marrying cross country, he was kind of just looking for, okay, let me find a unique way to leave this game. And so he wanted to create as big of a splash as possible. He did confirm in the beginning of this episode.

what we alluded to last week, which was, I thought it was a unanimous vote against Eric. So I'm going to essentially idle myself out of the game. That would be my big move. When that didn't happen, then I personally think he embellished, he exacerbated. And he was like, all right.

You know, because again, I think that he gave the idol to Carter, like apparently on the boat ride out of tribal council. Like, I think he was already checked out, already ready to go. And when his big flashy maneuver didn't, work, he took a little bit of the the wamp, wamp way out. Yeah.

I mean, okay, sure. He could have been having pain before that. I don't think Rob is a reliable narrator. So I don't know if I necessarily trust any of that. But yeah, I think like most, I think it was Linnea especially who was saying a lot about this that just the timing of very suspect. So it's a quit. He quit the game.

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How is this possible? Don't miss the two-episode premiere of Marvel Television's Vision Quest. Nothing bonds a family together quite like Mortal Jeopardy. Streaming October 14th, only on Disney Plus. All right, well, we have a lot of other headlines to get to here. We got quite the spread going on right below the Rob Quit, because we have, like, sort of a mishmash of a bunch of previous twists combined into one, right? The open era is everything's on the table.

And so they essentially took a little bit of a chimera combination of, you know, a tribe can't visit. Advantage hidden at the other camp, and of course, the 20-year return of the mutiny. And what I will say is I'm still trying to chew over and not to be results-oriented as like how I feel about this. What I think is so interesting about this, Mary, is I think we got a display of the exact best-case scenario and the exact worst-case scenario,

where worst-case scenario was Devin goes over, he never had any plans of swapping over, let alone him seeing that derelict shelter and deciding that he was more than happy to go back to Hotel Toka. He easily finds the advantage, goes back hunky dory, is open about everything. And then we get on the other hand, the entire hot mess that was Carter's now permanent visit to his new tribe. I think this is, it is a mutiny, but it's like a combination of the mutiny we saw before and the like tribe visit or. or tribe steel kind of thing that they did in China, that kind of thing. What I like about this is I think you're more likely to mutiny if you're already over there on the beach and have met the people and you're by yourself.

I think the we're standing on a mat step forward if you want a mutiny is going to be way more difficult to do, especially if you haven't already talked to those people and you don't really know whether or not it would be better to leave and you're doing it right in front of all your people and you're basically saying, sorry, I don't really like y'all. with Carter, first off, he kind of has plausible deniability whether he actually meant to mutiny or not. But also, like, he was in this perfect spot that to leave his tribe, but I'm not 100% sure

if they just did it at the challenge and said, hey, Carter or whoever, you guys want to leave. I don't know that he would have done it there. Being there already, it's like, you know, it's like doing something you don't want to do. And then you're like, you get in a car and you drive to the place. You're like, well, I'm already here. Might as well.

Yeah, it's like going to the gym. I already have my shoes on. I guess I better go out. I think I'll just do it. So I think this was really the perfect scenario. And I think I like that we had both things happen because you want the best part of twists in social strategy games is you want the audience to watch it and go, ooh, what would I do in this scenario? Do I think this was the best move for this person? What if somebody else went?

And so I love that. And that's why I love seeing multiple outcomes. because if both people had chosen not to go or both people had, you don't want to set something up where it's like, well, it's obviously always the right outcome

to do this, which is why the, like, hourglass twist didn't make any sense because it basically always makes sense for that person to break the hourglass. If your choices, save yourself or don't save yourself,

what are you going to do? But this one, it's like, there are pros and cons to what you're doing here. And so, yeah, I like how they set this up. This is my favorite version

of the mutiny we've seen so far. I agree with that. as well. I actually didn't think about that. The fact that, um, the fact that, you know, if you, if you are truly on the fence, you can actually go talk to people. And as Carter talked about, trying to find cracks, right? Like, is this a place where I can weasel my way in and, you know, find a new alliance, especially given the fact that he was on the outside of the last boat? And, um, and I agree with you. Also, again, the choice. They were given a choice. Like, that's so wonderful to me. And the fact that we have to like talk about that as being a benefit

of the twist is so funny because they should just all be like that. But like for example, I think you could have somebody who's like, I'm 100% going to mutiny. I'm not even going to go for the advantage yet because I know I'm going to still be there so I can look for it at night time. And then there's like no rush while you're still doing your one-on-ones. You don't come across as suspicious where you're like trying to sneak off and find the oars or whatever. So, So yeah, I really, really liked this. I thought the Devin one was very boring. So I do agree with you, Mike.

It was like we got the best and sort of worst versions of that. I will say, though, Devin talking a lot. If I was Sharonda, I would be like, this man is saying too much. I don't know if I necessarily want to work with them. So I'm hoping that there's some kind of payoff later on maybe for this mutiny situation where Devin went over there. But obviously the Carter one was 10 out of 10.

Amazing. Well, I'm thinking that maybe it's something where like Sharonda decides to use her own weaponized honesty and tell someone about the fact that Devin has an extra vote, you know, as a good example perhaps to save herself. but my God, if you want a representation of just the absolute delightful mess this season has been so far, you need to check out

the entire 10-minute sequence of Carter over at the Tokut Tribe camp where he leaves his bag out in the rain. And this is the funny thing about it as well is that this is going to be one of the kingmakers.

He's going to be, him and Lewis, who actually goes through his bag, are going to be the ones to determine who goes here. They make this big move to flip this tribe on its head. But he leaves his bag, not only out in the open, but with the exact letter saying,

hey, here are your two secret missions right on top of it. Right on top. Basically saying they're like it's a note that a parent would give to a teacher to send their student with. Go ahead, Leanna. Well, I was just going to say, I don't think that this was intentional. However, I think there is a universe.

You know how it's like, if you, if you're going to lie about something, like have a different lie. Okay, I'm not, basically like the idea is he's got an idol. So if you want to try to, because they're, they stopped. They didn't find the idol because they found in a possible extra vote. So it's almost like it throws them off the scent because then, then, well, first of all, Carter couldn't get it. So maybe it was like a self-sacrifice or something. I mean, again, I don't think it was intentional from him. But I'm saying like there could be a play there where you let them see that to disguise and hide the fact that you actually have a real idol because they're not going to continue

going through your back or they didn't in this particular case. And I feel like they tried to set up this like slight edit of like, oh, Carter like he looks bad by not telling. I think it was Lewis who he went on the walk. Was it Lewis? Who was. Brady? Or Brady. No. We have to talk about this for a second because him and Brady have this one on one. And Brady, I think this is all confirmation bias because this is a Brody that I put on paths with. This is the Brody I get a drink with. This is the Brody that We sing John Mellencamp with together at three in the morning when we're half in the bag. And so Brady, who again, we'll talk about, not only already knows that Lewis has, you know, was offered an advantage, but what's part of the duo, assumingly, that already found the advantage,

was like, hey, you get told to do anything over here? And Carter's like, first he says no, then he says, oh, but there's a second part. it just says, you know, basic poetry about like, yeah, I got to get to know people. I don't know what's going to happen from here. And Brady's exact logic is, wow, he just lied to me. That shows I can trust him. It was, it was, okay, I did kind of get where he was coming from that it was like, he's capable of keeping a secret. And he's not just going to spill to anybody, right?

That was the logic. Like Devin, who might have immediate. But I mean, I thought he was going to get chastised. I thought that Brady was going to be like, he didn't tell me the truth. We, you know, screw this guy. That is now what happened. Yeah. I think I don't blame Carter at all for not telling them.

I think if Carter had got there and told them, that would have been bad. So if anybody on this tribe somehow tries to use Carter not telling this group of strangers about a potential advantage he could get, that's BS. Now here's where it gets interesting. Is Lewis ever going to tell Carter or anyone on this tribe that number one, they looked through his bag and found that note. And number two, that they then went off and got the thing. Like, first off, does the whole, I, we didn't see it, but I assume everybody knows that Maggie has it. See, I don't know. Because she was with Brady.

They did agree to work together, but I assume Brady told at least his five. Yeah. I'm, this is what really confusing me. And as much as I absolutely adore this sequence, there is so much left up to the imagination. Hell, we've been making so many jokes about like, oh, Carter literally missed the boat. We don't actually know if he wanted to mutiny or not.

If like he actually waved the boat away, or if he really was going to go back to his tribe, and there just was this window of opportunity that he missed. I feel like there's so many questions there between, again, and, you know, Carter's true intentions, whether or not Carter ever found out that they know about the oars, whether he found the oars,

whether Brady and or Maggie told anybody else about the extra vote. There's a lot of information that we're not privy to right now. My gut, just from watching it, and I would love to find out eventually from Carter, my gut is that he was leaning towards staying, but it had not 100% made up his mind, is frantically trying to look for the oars and the thing. And he does not go, okay, you know what, forget this, and run to the boat.

So I think I would lean on he was at least 60% probably going to stay. And then his decision was kind of made for him, which kind of helps if you're waffling on a decision. And maybe he was thinking even like, I'll give it a few more minutes looking for this. And if the boat, if I find it before the boat leaves, maybe I'll go back to the boat and I'll make that decision. if not that the decisions made. Like, my gut is that he was probably going to stay. I do not think this was a situation of him wanting to leave and missing the boat. I think he was either definitely going to stay or still deciding.

Otherwise, I feel like they would have made a much bigger deal out of it, right? Like, I know Carter said that he's the worst player in Survivor history, but they would have given him Dodo upon Dodo music of, oh, my God. Oh, no. Sinked down onto the ground, crying, chasing after the boat. Unless we get a follow-up confessional in this next episode about it, I assume that whatever the answer was is boring. So I think it's probably Mary's thing, which is like, yeah, he was on the fence and it's fine. And his confessional is something along the lines of like, well, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do.

And then the boat left and I was fine with it or whatever in his accent that I can't replicate. I don't even know what that accent is, but it's fine. And for good TV, even if I had made it my mind and I was 100% going to stay, I would also say in confessional because I think it would be funny. for a funny story to be like, oh, no, I miss the boat. Oh, gosh, I'm the worst. I think what we could potentially see is in a swap or merge situation. If anyone from his previous tribe is like, yo, dude, why'd you mutiny? I could easily see him also then using this excuse like, you're not going to believe it. I was looking for something on the beach and the boat left and I was stuck. Like, I think it's good plausible deniability now that he has. Now, I will say that

this entire saga with the extra vote is a true sign that not all. advantages are created equal, nor the methods to acquire them. Because what do you mean all Devin had to do was reach into the well, Rome style, and unravel a string, where Toca, I don't know if they could go fishing anymore, if they had fishing gear, because they brought out destroyed any way to power their boat by chopping these ores. They didn't need to destroy the oars. It was the same as the thing. No, but no, but it was inside the ore.

Yes. Yes. It wasn't, well, no, Mary, I, I had the exact same reaction. There's the rope. Yes. But if you unraveled that rope, is there like a hole there? Like, I'm saying, I don't think that they just, I don't think the producers destroyed the ore where they made it where you have to destroy the ore. I think if you unravel the rope, my guess is that there was like a little slit or a hole

and you could reach in and grab the thing. And they just chopped. That might be true. That may be true. But I had the same reaction to, like, I thought it was actively in. Because when he, when Brady cuts it and it opens, which also inside. My God, this man cut off 25% of his thumb two days ago and is like, don't worry, gang, I'll look at the act.

If I were on that tribe, I would have stopped him right there and said, you are not touching a goddamn school in your life. Even me, if I cut my finger off, I would be like, I am not touching that. Like, that's the equivalent of me burning my hand on a hot stove. I'm not touching that again. To me, actually, the funny part about this whole thing was Maggie's approach to just straight asking for the advantage and also saying to his face,

you have more people than me. Maggie, what are we doing here? It's brilliant. I mean, she's proved positive of the concept that the worst they can say is no. That's true. You know, that's true. And it was such a weird conversation.

Again, Brady truly operates in his own form of logic at this point that I think to your point, Leanna, you can somewhat follow, but still is like very much parallel to you on a completely, different path in the woods where he is able to, because he's got these, you know,

been able to claim this axe in blood, I suppose. Chops through the ore, perhaps unnecessarily, gets the extra vote. Maggie says, like, you have more numbers than me. First off, Brady ignores her. And it's just reading the terms and conditions of it, hoping that maybe she'll just go away. Because he's just turning on.

And then eventually she says, like, you have more numbers than me? And he goes, are you going to vote with me? with this and she says yes and then he doesn't even really acknowledge the deal it seems like he just kind of hands it to her and walks away.

It was like a hot potato situation. I feel like when she is unraveling the rope and he goes to chop it I was pretty sure she said like and like no don't because then you'll take it and I thought he said like no it's fine it'll be yours. We'll work

together and it'll be yours and then he picks it up. I thought he had kind of of agreed to give it to her first and then she was like well now you've gone back on it and taken it. I thought they will work together is I'll hold on to it but it'll be ours that type of thing or oars. It'll be oars. It'll be oars.

So yeah, this is a weird situation. Maggie has an extra vote. As a reminder, Devin also has an extra vote which, hey, could have maybe come in handy at this most recent tribal council, but we should also note here as we get into our third big event that

Maggie did not move with Brady, as she promised that she was part of this rag tag group that was co-laid together. I would love to get your thoughts, Mary, on how this ended up happening. Because, again, to say it was piecemeal would be an understatement

where it seemed like everyone was kind of skeved out by Kilby. Like, even the people that didn't vote Kilby out were not necessarily all gung-ho for keeping Kilby in the game. Yeah, it's interesting. And I wish we had more visibility.

into the dynamics of this tribe because in the previous episode, we're like, oh, wow, awesome, good on them for creating this five-person alliance. But then in this episode, it's like, everyone's like, yeah, yeah, we know there's a five-person alliance over there. So how obvious was this? How, like, because if, I mean, every time they show those shots of like an entire alliance, like sitting together on a log, I'm like, how is everybody else not noticing this? Maybe they were. Maybe they were literally only hanging out with them. And if that case, it doesn't take long for the other people who are left over to be like, oh, we're not in that alliance. Shockingly rarely in Survivor, in especially a big group like this, though, does that other

group go? Well, there's more of us than there are of them. Let's get together. My favorite part of this whole thing is Brady just straight up being like, like they can do anything. We have the alliance. The alliance of five in a group of 11? I love it.

I love it so much. It was amazing. It was my favorite conversation. And I mean, I liked people in both alliances, but like I like Pat. But I, you know, I think, I'm fickle. I'll flip for whoever I think is on the underdogs. But I love this. But, like, unfortunately, we didn't see.

Every conversation we saw was strictly about the vote, about who's going home. We did not see a conversation on the show. all of the people who end up voting together talking or even a smaller group of them coming together and being like, let's form a group or let's all vote this way. Instead, it was kind of more like ones and twos going around be like, we could vote this way, who do we have? And in all of those conversations, they listed off.

It was more about like, who do we want to protect from the five-person alliance? Who do we not want to vote for? Everybody likes Brady and not just likes Brady, wants Brady to be informed. Like this couldn't have even really been a blind side. because Brady knew what was happening. He just didn't believe it.

Yeah, is it a blind side if you're given the information, but you choose not to accept it as factual? Yeah. And I mean, the Kilby thing is sad because, like, Kilby hasn't exactly found his people yet. Very excited to see what happens next week with the conversation with Eric. But, like, Kilby is, you know, he's on the outs. He was thinking, I've got a good,

I've got a good relationship with Pat, so we'll, I'll do it. And I agree with him. Like, spreading gossip about other people is a great way to form alliances or form bonds a lot of the time. Unless the person you're talking to immediately goes and tells them. Well, I'm going to say, there's a reason why usually the worst shit talking on Big Brother happens about the people who have already left. Like, I think this is when you absolutely foist everything onto the ghosts of Survivor would be my best advice for the game. Like, if you leave someone out of the vote, oh, it was so-and-so's fault. thought that can't speak for it now.

Oh my God. Remember how annoying so and so was? Like, don't give them the ability to talk back as we see what happens with Pat and Brady here. Yeah, and I mean, I was going to say, or just like follow their initiative. But I also believe that Pat, whether we saw it or not,

could have been the type of player to like set up a hook, like go fishing for Kilby to do something like that in order for her to then go, go, say, you know. So at some point it kind of becomes this, race to who can rat the other person out faster. It's entrapment, right? Like you kind of like, especially if you know Kilby's kind of going that way.

And that's, you know, when Kilby and Devin are having their radical honesty or whatever the, that thing is, where they're kind of being like, I just feel like you don't like me, man. And it's like so-and-so is telling me you're annoying. Like I could see Pat absolutely baiting Kilby just saying something like that. You know what I mean?

So what did I call it? Fishing. A fish hook. You're thrown out a hook. Yeah. But same thing, same concept. For me, the point that just stands in my head is the fact that everybody clocked that five-person alliance so quickly.

I know we already talked about this, but, like, Lewis early in the episode is like the five together. And I was like, dang, Lewis is so smart. Like, that's amazing. And then by the end of the episode, everybody in their mother is talking about it. So I was like, okay, I guess that wasn't really all that secretive. But I think that apart from that group, yeah, the others just haven't. yes, they were able to vote together, but it does feel like there aren't super solid alliances.

And I think that that's also, I mean, it's true really for both tribes from my perspective, outside of really the helicopter alliance. And then if this group of four manages to stay together, you know, those are really the only like super solid groupings. And I would say even on top of that, like, I don't even know what the twos are that are together. I think, um, Kilby and Tien maybe, uh, could be considered a pair just because we see them talking a lot. not Sharonda and Ori a pair, although in the larger helicopter alliance. Yeah, exactly. But outside of that, I'm like, I have no idea who's working with home.

No, at this point, the alliance that seems the firmest is somehow Lewis and Carter, who've known each other for three hours. Also, again, Lewis went through Carter's bag, like 12 hours beforehand and got the letter. I have to believe that Carter is going to find out that at some point that everyone else in that tribe, either that they went through. his bag or just find out that they found the extra boat, like that they found the advantage. I have to believe that's going to come out at some point. And I have to believe that once we get into a swap situation, if anybody was unaware that the

two people who got to go on the journey, like, had clues, this is also going to all come out pretty quickly. And also, just in case anyone is like, oh, well, when they formed the five-person alliance, it was a majority in their group. That's fine. But you did not then pull in someone else to firm up the majority. in a way that made that person feel like they were also in the five. Because I'm sure they did.

I'm sure they did think that they had Lewis. I'm sure they thought that they basically had everybody besides Kildi. Well, that's the thing. They just didn't do a good enough job convincing them. I think we forget that Lewis is a chaos gremlin. Like this is what he came into the game talking about, right? And I think just due to the fact that he started 50 paces behind everybody else due to the exile of it all that we thought, oh, well, he's actually playing.

like a subtle game. But no, we realize the infinitesimalist morsel of power he's going to get, he's going to blow stuff up. Like, the fact that he's like,

apparently Pat told me that hours before blindsiding her, out of nowhere, he told her that she was his number one. When they had no established relationship up to that point, this guy is just saying shit and doing shit to say shit and do shit.

He is very much, I think the type of person to make the move now and think through the actual fundamentals of it the day after. And so I thought as soon as him and Carter started having the conversation that they were going to play, that like he was, he was going to be given what's the more fun option? What's the more lullsy option. What I love about it too is just like, you know,

I'm sure Carter did have some stuff to offer with this. But again, like he was talking about, he kind of walked into this perfect situation where he's on this 11-person tribe. and Lewis is like, yeah, there's this majority alliance, but like,

I reckon we can flip things, right? And Carter's like, okay dokey. Yeah, whatever, sure. I have an idol, so I don't want to use it or anything.

And so the fact that these two guys end up forming the oddest of odd couple alliances, like I know Lewis basically tells Carter, I feel like we should work together. I think Carter is going for any port in a storm right now, any pair of pants on the rack when it comes to Pat. And it's say,

I do not think this man is going to work. with Lewis the hour after this tribal council occurs. I think even what we saw from Carter when they were on the hammock, he very much continued to reiterate the yes, but do we want the final, like those five after us or those four after us. Like he did continue to bring up the counterpoint to Lewis very obviously wanting to flip against the five. So I do think that that is, is 100% going to happen.

And like, I don't think that this is anything locked in. This is not Lewis and Clark, right? This is Lewis and Carter. And I don't think that they're in it for the long haul. But the thing that I do think is the best for Carter is regardless of whether or not he stays with Lewis, regardless of whether or not he continues to work with anyone he voted with. It's not like him and Lewis created something new out of a situation. Yeah. The other people also wanted to do something.

They had people who were right for the pickens to like pick up to do this vote. We don't even know 100% like who started this. From my perspective, it seemed more like, Kilby and Tanan and some other people, maybe and Maggie, I don't know, or Jenna. Like, for all we know, they pushed back against this first. And then we're like, I think we can get Carter and Lewis. Maybe. I don't know.

Hard to tell. It's also like, it benefits him most to be in a situation now, even if they didn't know a swap was coming, to have, to be on a tribe that's now has cracks in it and has breaks in it. It almost is never going to benefit you to join an alliance where you know that you are the last person to join the alliance. Like they, Carter could have joined that alliance

and then broed down and they could do a male female split or something later. I'm like, I'm not saying that he's 100% six out of six. I'm just saying it's like, if there's already, an established status quo, you want to break that up in the game just so that there's more options moving forward of what could happen. He could now work with all four of those people and he's in a better

spot than he would have been had he started with working with them. Here's a hot take. Could Carter's decision to make the flip here be in direct response to everything that went down earlier in the episode? You know, if there's this idea that we may not

be in these tribes for that much longer, and I I don't necessarily have to face direct recourse for my actions. Like, think about Carter's Day. The fact that he was in this alliance with Anna and Rob. He, one gets voted out, one quits the game like six hours later. And he has nobody except for an idol. If he's like, listen, if I get into onto someone shitless,

I was already bottom of the barrel on one tribe. In true mutiny, Jonathan Penner style might as well be the bottom of the barrel on the other try and then maybe we'll roll the dice once again tomorrow and I'll wind up somehow in the numbers. If I don't, idle in my vest. I can play it at any time. Yeah, I think I think that's a good point because in replaying Carter's whole thing, not even just those past like 24 hours, but like from the moment he nails that social interaction with Eric asking him about spaghetti. Like, it's been chaos since. You know what I mean? He asked him about spaghetti. The whole that was also every one-on-one he had was like, Mike, you a big spaghetti guy?

Big spaghetti guy? That's how he picked his alliance. He was like five, not big spaghetti people. So just like imagining his whole thing, that whole journey. And this, what, took place over the course of how many days? Because it's three for the first cycle and then two and two. Yeah, those days, days six, seven. We're when things were up in the air.

Six, seven. to have that, to not be sleeping, to be given an idol by a guy who ultimately ends up quitting the game, like just everything, you're probably just like, man, you know, fine. I don't know. Like, F it. Sure, Lewis, let's do it.

That's true. It's what producers want to happen with this idea of permanent uncertainty, right? The other end is, I think, what a lot of players do end up doing, which is like, anything could happen. So, like, let's stick with the plan. at least I have a safety within numbers. These players in particular, again, Lewis and Carter to a certain extent, are saying,

you know, anything can happen tomorrow. So do whatever the hell we want to today. It is the Yolo era of Survivor, low key. Well, and also to Mary's point, it wasn't like they were choosing between alliances, right? It was, it wasn't, it was, do we disrupt a power structure or, because the alternative was not, do we disrupt a power structure and build our own power structure? It was more just like, we're going to disrupt this and we'll go from there kind of thing, which I do agree with me.

I think whether Carter wanted, he should have made that move. Like, I absolutely think that this was the right move for both Louis, I mean, for that entire group of six. So. Especially because like, we don't know. We weren't seeing that group of five really try to court Carter. If they were, then he has a more. more dicey decision of, okay, these people really want me and they're trying to work with me and I'm

having to go against them. What we saw was more like, he's just chilling on a hammock. They're off there in their alliance and he there he can, and he's probably informed who the vote is. You know, it's like, okay, do I vote out the status quo, kill be the easy vote? Or do we mix things up? And also, like you said, Mike, if I've been already basically, it's like, I'm already on my second or third life here. So let's just go ahead and like wing it, right? Yeah. What I think is also so funny about this is I would not be completely surprised if Kilby was a little blindsided by the vote as well. Because, Lian, you and I were talking about this before we started recording, but we forget about this and all the Michigas before the vote.

When Tanan is planning things, Kilby's like, don't worry, we've got Brady on our side. I know that Devin is Brady's number one, but I'm pretty sure I'm his number. two, and I think much like player two in Kilby's example, he's not entirely plugged in on what Brady's been doing. The wildness to say, I think Devin thinks Brady's his number one, but I'm actually Brady's number one. Like to say that to someone else. Like, if anyone ever comes and tells you, I don't think you, I don't think you think what's happening is happening. Like, don't, you have to at the very least take that in and consider it. Well, and yeah, Maggie also didn't mince words there.

She was like, no, those five are together. They are definitely together. I also, I agree that we, especially as we talk this out, are not getting a lot of insights into these token tribe dynamics and how they break down. Maybe it's because they're going to be a race next episode. But I do like the inference that there's this guy named Mike who's just kind of there.

You know, Maggie initially targets, we're finding, like he is sort of like our game body type of straight man narrator, I think to all the chaos through these three episodes. But considering that what Maggie wants to initially target him because he just feels like, she feels like he's just the plus one in the alliance. But then Tanan specifically does not want to target him because he's just a sponge who doesn't provide any information

is fascinating to me. Mike is getting ragged on by everybody. And Kilby also, I think Kilby said something of like, in that five, he's just kind of there. Oh my God. I do, from the edit, feel bad for everyone in the five who is not Devin and Brady because it really feels like they were the,

their talk was the reason why that alliance was even really targeted. But at the same time, everybody's like, well, we can vote any of them out, but not Devin and Brady. So they're clearly doing something good. I also wonder if they like maybe maybe Brady has convinced Kilby like no you're with us you're you're with our alliance like we're in the alliance and that's why and this is another thing if you're in survivor and you want to vote out a particular person because they're scheming or you find them annoying or whatever pull them into your alliance first lock them down in your alliance so that they don't try to turn against you the only way to blindside someone is from within if they're

out on the outside and everyone knows you don't like them and is telling them that you're trying to vote them out, then they could start a coup. They can't start a coup if they think they're with you. Yeah. This tribe is just full of wild cards. I'm thinking back to the conversation that Maggie and Kilby had trying to figure out to target Mike. It's only because Maggie and Kilby are like, okay, we've got to go after that five. And Maggie's like, okay, but I don't want to go after jelly or Devin or Pat or Brady. It's like that thing of like, what do you want for dinner? Whatever, I'm fine.

I just don't want Italian or Chinese or Greek or Indian. Like, Matt, you're not making this easier for yourself. This is a tribe, let alone a cast full of absolute wackadoodles. And I am loving every second of it. It does make me a little worried that we are seemingly switching to three tribes. I did see a third tribe insignia and flag. You know, we've seen prove positive in the new era. how that can make things a little less variable,

but hopefully just even shaking things up and having some of these people mingle who haven't before will be enough to continue that chaotic train. Yeah, I'm not, obviously, the site of three tribes is a little bit like, trauma, but I'm open, let's see. I think also because it's not the, there are all of these preexisting bonds already. I mean, theoretically, there's preexisting bonds.

So I think it is going to be interesting to see how it shakes out, you know, ultimately we may be looking back and say, yep, you know, three tribes, what a misstep. But let's just see. These first three episodes are really cooked, and I think that the cast is 100% for, you know, supporting that. Obviously, the twists facilitate it. But I'm hopeful that this cast will carry us through those three tribes. With Export Development Canada, Canadian businesses are competing, leading, and winning in more international markets, like how agri-food businesses are strength, global food supply and critical minerals are powering industries of the future.

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So we got to start with the man who departed at the top of the hour and a half in Rob, who obviously was a major presence in the preseason. But Leanna, how big of a presence did he make in your version of the season proper? I had Rob as pre-jury. And I said, Rob comes into the game ready to play

and waste absolutely no time trying to lock in alliances and get targets all lined up just in case his tribe goes to tribal. He did all this within the first few hours of the marooning. At first, people are happy to nod along, let Rob think he's putting something together, but it quickly becomes obvious. He's talking to everybody and trying to be involved in every single conversation. Rob mistakes people humoring him for actual influence and gets way too comfortable, completely missing the fact that his tribe has quietly agreed he is simply doing

too much as he becomes the consensus vote. His tribe loses the first immunity challenge and Rob becomes the season's first casualty going down as a glorious overplaying highly visible flameout. Wow. Interesting. It's like Jolensky's dad. Yeah, exactly. Papa. All right. So I

also had Rob going pre-jury. Listen, this guy was a wildcar from the jump and sometimes these things happen, but this didn't necessarily feel like this season for it. So I wrote, a self-proclaimed reality TV junkie, Rob immediately decides to give everyone at home their fix of that good stuff.

He pieces together the first alliance of the season and uses feigned homesickness to disguise idol hunting. The good news, Rob is successful in finding out where the idol is. The bad news, in a throwback to China, it's hidden in the tribe flag. The result is one of the first

one of the sloppiest maneuvers in survivor history, as Rob claims to be treating an injury down by the beach, tears down the flag to get the idol, then claims he was so clumsy, he knocked it over. Regardless of absolutely nobody buying Rob's cover story, he still gets into power early on, one of the most vocal members of his tribe. He's the one to lead the charge against people like Anna and Linnea. With the latter, he claims that she has pervety vibes and puts her on his no-fly list. After getting swapped into the majority, Rob's alliance decides to cement their numbers and take out Maggie.

But quickly bonding with the fellow parents in the group, he decides to go rogue, telling her he'll play his idol on her. Rob has no idea, however, that at this point, he's carrying way over the FAA limit of sketchiness. Terrible turn of phrase. See, his clear desire to not get rid of Maggie, his tribebates decide his gameplay is undergoing too much turbulence.

And so while Rob does go through with his big move, he's shocked to find his game, gets grounded. As are the fans, as Rob has by far the most confessionals out of everyone on his tribe at this point. His closest ally was Ori and his enemy was Linnea. All right. I'm going to need a count. Has he had the most confessionals out of everybody at this point?

Probably not. I mean, it'll be tough with episode three because I think we got so much Carter in there. But I would imagine through the first couple of episodes he has to be up there, right? Probably close. Certainly on his tribe. Yeah. You're muted Leanna. Yeah. Oh, sorry.

Is she trying to get me to read her lips? I don't know. Yes, actually. That's the game this week. Because you have to read my lips. Okay, so he received 10 total confessions. Lewis has 18. No, Devin has 23.

Lewis has 18. Brady has 16. Kilby has 15, Carter has 12, Jelly has 11, Eric has 11, and Kristen has 10 the same number as Rob. Okay, maybe that just felt like more Rob. It did feel like a lot of Rob. I think Leanna hit more with like what happened in episode one, but Mike's, I do recall hearing, nobody believes his story, injury, and finding an idol. We're all in Mike.

So I think I'm going to have to go with Mike. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. All right. Well, let us look to our second boot here, who again, I feel kind of bad that obviously there's been a lot of discussion about what happens with Rob at the top of the episode, that it does kind of obfuscate the fact that we do lose Pat, who I really enjoyed it, honestly, based on what happened in the first episode,

I thought was prime to make a deep run in the game. The more I think about it, the more I am low-key shock that she's a boot in episode three. Maybe that's because in my predictions I had her making the, finale. So I wrote, one of Pat's pet peeves is quote, when the least informed person is telling everyone else what to do. And so due to her limited amount of survivor intel, she decides to keep quiet early in the game, deferring to the superfan opinions of Kilby and Mike.

Due to this, Pat is far and away the most under-edited player of season 51. Fans dub her Purple Pat from episode 3 on. And as the season goes along, we get a series of social media posts from her that increasingly complain about her edit. Don't worry about her NDA. She's a lawyer. She knows a thing or two about how to make things public without recourse. After Pat has a relatively easy pre-merge,

she gets a very random bump in airtime during the second half of the season. She gets brought to the sanctuary and good things happen to her edit as we see her open up about her military family. Coming back to the beach nutritionally and emotionally reinvigorated, Pat leads the charge for the first time all season

putting together a vote against Tenon. Pat, Kilby, and Mike operate as a three-headed blonde monster in the individual game. Parentheses, side note, I'm not sure if Kilby is actually blonde. I'm nervous now after what happened with Emily in 50, but Pat is able to connect, ironically, with the other season's secret lawyers in Alexis and Kristen. As 51 enters the end game, we suddenly get a lot of content about how threatening Pat is, considering her likability and lack of direct blood on her hands. Fortunately, she evades the radar for a couple rounds,

winning clutch challenges at the final six and five. When she stumbles at the final four, however, she gets thrown into fire against her number one Mike. And this is where her lack of survivor knowledge literally burns her, stopping her trial before reaching the closing argument. Her closest ally was Mike and her enemy was Tenon. I like that you have Mike making the final three in your predictions. Mike, he's just there.

I mean, I'll say it right here. He's just there. Mike is my winner pick. Oh my God. I can't wait. I love it. I'm just saying three episodes in, if we had not had the conversation about whether or not they should vote out,

Mike, if you had asked me to name all the people, I would never have named Mike. I would have forgotten Mike. I didn't see Mike. You're saying, Mike, you, this Mike, Mike Bloom, Mike Bloom is saying like, oh, he's like the game bot, steady narrator. No, I would believe you if you told me he had zero confessionals. I remember his game by controller isn't plugged in.

Like, Mike's got to back another Mike. Okay, that's the most key, a very major reason why I picked it. Yeah, fair enough. Okay, well, you have a partner, Mike, uh, in prediction, land because I too had Pat making the finale. Okay, Pat plays a very even keel game, becoming everyone's ally as she stays calm and uses her charisma to stay in everyone's good graces, which is especially needed in the chaos of the pre-merge.

Come merge, this low-key style allows her to form a power alliance with Kristen and Linnea, aka the smart women, capital S-M-A-R-T, navigating the post-merge by setting their specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and timely goals. At Gary Busey. At the final six S stands for Sharonda as Pat leads the charge to take out the social capital queen. Unfortunately for Pat, once Sharonda is gone, she becomes the next obvious jury threat. and Kristen and Linnea turn on their fellow smart lady, realizing they cannot let the federal prosecutor argue her case at final tribal.

Ally, smart women, enemy, Sharonda, comma, smart women. So just to clarify, I had had making Final Four and you had her making like Final Five. Final five, yeah, Final five. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Your job is a very easy this time, Mary. No, these were both terrible. I mean, Mike did mention her secret alliance with Mike, which we did hear about. What was Leanna's most relevant part of any of this? The smart goals?

I don't know. Well, Mike had her going further. But I also heard her enemy being Tenon. Yeah. I think based mostly on the mic of it all, I hate to do this. I don't have to give Mike a second win on this this week. We all hate to do that. Listen, it's not a great week to be Mike, so I'm taking all the...

It's not like a sponge. I'm absorbing it all. Wait, also, can we get a check here? Is Kilby blonde, or am I color blonde blind? I mean, that depends on what definition of blonde you're going with. I got a lot of black because in 50, when Jonathan Young briefly forgot who Emily Flippin was, I described her as blonde in a turtleneck and people were coming after me saying that Emily Flippen is not blonde. I think Emily Flippin is not blonde.

I think Emily. Flippin is more blonde than Danny. Danny. Danny. His name is Danny. Danny. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say looking at this cast, I would call Brady Blonde. I would call Lewis and Mike potentially dirty blonde. It's hard to tell in some of these pictures. Lewis might be blonde. Kilby's hair is brown. It's brown. Kilby's hair is brown. But I don't think I don't think I would have gotten mad at you for saying the Emily Flippen. I'm saying this now, but now I'm like, I feel like Emily Flippin. Her hair is lighter than mine. Why am I just Googling Emily flipping blonde? As if that's going to give me anything. Google knows. It's fine. Yeah, really, Google AI, I think, is a better source than I am

on whether or not she's blonde. No, she's brown also. She's also, yeah, pretty bad. I think the thing is sometimes it's like the light hits you and like the very edges of your hair look a little light. But that's okay. But like the light in my room, my lamp has a pink filter on it. So sometimes people think I have red hair in certain lighting.

Your hair does look red. It does. It's not in person, but in this life maybe. Anyway. Okay. Well, coming off that devastating loss, it's fine. No, it's okay. We have our activity for today in honor of Pantsless Pat.

We will be speaking about the pants that are on this season by doing a bumper of. Yay. Ripped pants. which by the way I went back to the premiere to get a shot of... It feels very lascivious by the way.

But the only reason I pulled it is because it's got the Eric saying she's pantsless. So are those... Is that a dress or those the pants that she lost? Yes, these are her pants, I believe. I'm pretty sure they all got... I'm pretty sure they got marooned in these outfits. And of course, we should realize and retrospect that of course

Eric would be the one like, Eric is Mr. Bits until you can bid no more. we didn't make a comment on this, but I love him continuing to do the friend vampire thing. And also when he got to the top of that wall, he was like, Gina, I did it.

Oh my God, that was so funny. And also, but it's fine. I've never asked people from Survivor this, but now I, I should ask the next Survivor contest and I meet this.

Funnily enough, 10 minutes ago, one of my friends texted me and said, I just ran into Allison Raibold in Target. Oh, oh. Cool.

Ask her about her pants. Yeah. But my question is, I want to know where people on Survivor, specifically women, I don't care about the men, where are they buying their underwear?

Because I feel like most underwear I have, like would be basically see-through. Yeah. Like, they're thin material. Like, are people wearing just essentially bathing suit bottoms? Are these, like, actual underwear? And where are you getting them? That's what I said.

Mike and I had a conversation literally about this pre-pod. I was like, these look like, to me, they look like bathing suit bottoms. They're like thick. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I was just going to say, like, once they stopped instantly giving them

their bathing suits and stuff and people are walking around essentially, like literally in their underwear, I'm like, there's no way, you know, because like, also, you could not put me on Survivor without a sport bra. And so for anyone who's not wearing a sports, I mean, I'm sure, like, production doesn't want everyone, wearing that, but I'm like, it's very unfair for the people who get a sports fraud versus the people who don't.

I'm pretty sure. Nowadays, you know, I think they sort of allow a number of outfits to be used. I'm pretty sure. They don't request women to bring sports bras, but I think they're, I cannot imagine that they are not allowed or, you know, stricken from anyone's wardrobe. And to that point, Pat never did find her parents, but she did tell me that like she had shorts in her bag already. again, pre-approved by production.

So she basically wore those out on the island. So it was like she was going like full Winnie the Pooh her entire week out in the game. Yep. Well, this actually does lead us to our first. This isn't an official buffer stuff. I just wanted to point it out because this really amused me. I believe this was an episode two.

Yeah. When the entire Toka tribe comes out all wearing their buffs as tube tops. Carter doesn't even have his. And then when he gets it from or Lewis, I mean, when Lewis, gets his from Jeff, he immediately puts it on as his little tube top. So I thought it was very cute. And I also have a question about that.

The actual buffs they're given on Survivor, are these any different than the buffs that they like sell? Because I have multiple Survivor buffs and multiple buffs of different brands and things. And I've tried before and like, it's like hard to get it on as a tube. Like how is Brady even doing this? Well, I think he... Are they bigger?

Well, I mean, no, I think that he's, it's bigger now. like I think you permanently stretch them out. So I think that, listen, maybe it was a little bit of like lacing up a corset to get Brady in that thing. But yeah, they are. I love this solidarity as well, even though like no one's actually wearing it as a tube top. Like if you see all the women like have tops on,

so they're not even wearing it in the way the buffed bam dough that people typically would. But listen, you know, I feel like Toka has won what, like ever said, no, they lost that last challenge, obviously. but like they had a good wind street going on when they were wearing the bandos. And note to future players. You don't want to do the like camp rock

like coming in it. Like you don't want to be doing that. That's cringe. Anytime they ever do that. If you want to do a funny bit with your tribe, do something like this and then just never mention it. You just do it. Yeah.

And then don't say any fans. Agreed. Also here are pants. Pants. You're pants. He's pants. Is this pants? Is that how you.

shorts. Do you think if you were to vote for Pat, you would draw like a little doodle of pants on it, like an X through it? I mean, I'm actually mad that they didn't do that. That's, they should have. It should have been a requirement. Okay, let's move on to our actual lurks that we're going to be buffing, meaning we love it or snuffing, meaning get it out of here. We do not like this. Now, um, hidden magician of the season Christian. I was going to say this, this would be my pick, Mary of like name everyone in the season. It's like, oh yeah, Christian. Christian is also here.

I actually have two looks from him, both involving bow ties being the central theme. So if we talk about creative uses of a buff, this is Christian using his buff as a bow tie, which I don't know if I've seen that before. Bob Bob Crowley did. Oh, Bob Crowley, yes. And I want to say Christian might, the other Christian might have also tried. I feel like this is our third instance of the buff tie. Is it a rule where if your name is.

Christian and you're on Survivor, you have to wear your buff as a bow tie. Is that a wooden bow tie? What am I looking at? It is. Yeah, with musical notes on it. That's cute. Because I saw this one of clothes because he wore this to the event at the American Dream. I'm curious if he was able to get marooned with that wooden bow tie, I wonder if the buff tie

is around it. Oh, like he used it as a, um, like a form. Yeah. Yes, exactly. To go around it. Yeah, I don't, I actually don't even know how he makes. manage to do this of like where the fabric, does it go around? Is it like on? I imagine you stretch it around and then you tie it like any tie. But it's not like, it doesn't really, I don't see it.

Or is it just like attached to like a button on his shirt somehow? Yeah, he like somehow affixed it. I don't know. Maybe I'm leaving your theory, Mary, more and more that it's like actually just around his actual bow tie potentially. Uh, but anyway, Mike, you've seen at least the wooden bow tie in person. What are your thoughts on Christians looks here? Oh my God. Well, I have to buff this. someone who went through his own bow tie phase for a good portion of his professional life, as professional as I can possibly be. Like you said, it's very rarefied air.

You know, the people who have been able to wear bow ties on Survivor have been fairly successful. And look, I don't feel like it's necessarily drawing any attention to Christian as like, my God, look how bookish he is from the bow tie that he has. A, because a wooden bow tie, it's just such an interesting idea to me.

I don't really understand it, and I don't really know if I like it, to just wear a piece of wood across your collar. It certainly is unique in that way. And to be candid, besides, like, the comeback that he had on the puzzle in this episode, it is probably, unfortunately, the most memorable thing about Christians run on 51 so far. So for the buff placement, I will buff it. Mary, what about you? Yeah, I'm going to buff it also because I think that it is unique.

That being said, I think he's fully embracing the look. I love the glasses, by the way. Great, great glasses. But like everything about his look, including the button up shirt, sweater, and the vest that we have seen in all these pictures, like, you're going for an archetype. And it's going to be hard to be any allegations about that. You come dress like this. I'm surprised that have we seen him on a puzzle yet?

I'm just surprised. Yeah, the one. No, he was on the puzzle. He was on the puzzle in both challenges that is tribe one. Great. Because I was going to say, if you,

if you come dress like this and you're not good at puzzles, people are going to be disappointed. So you're very much like setting yourself up for that. But I like the buff. Yeah. Christian's very, it's very, it's very,

unty uniqueness. No, do take nerve to wear this and talent with the puzzle. Yeah. I don't know if the charisma's there his lack of confession. That vest is so intriguing to me. The pattern makes me feel like it's in like your high school wardrobe

from a production of The Music Man from like 2003. But also like I'm assuming if it's made out of the typical fabric that vests are made out of, why would you bring that for multiple reasons out on the airline? Like a tartan vest. It's cute. The archetype. Yeah, it's literally. It works in HR.

This is not what's his archetype. It's his style. going for. Okay. Yeah. It's what he's trying to portray. Um, yeah, I don't like this. I'm snuffing this. I'm happy you both like it. It's not for me. Okay, moving on. So now, we do have to go back to Aaliyah's look from the very first episode because we didn't really get to talk about this. First of all, the detail on the pants. Yes. To me is absolutely fascinating. Like, I love all the little fruits and all the little cherries and all that. Her shirt already, unfortunately, has a hole in it. And but this sort of like faux crocheted number,

I think is very cute. And I think it's also very fun island vibes. For me, this is a buff. Mary, what do you think? I believe, is that a hole already forming in it? Yes, she does already have a whole. So look, is it the most sturdy? That's where her game started to unravel,

much like this top. I feel like, look, I love that they get multiple outfits now. It's all great. Love that. I want you to wear your clothes down, though, to wear at the end of the season, I can't even tell what color you started. Like that is the goal.

I don't want to be on Survivor. And here's a thing. If I'm voted out in a week, I still need to look like I was on the Survivor for a week. So buy the thin clothes. I want to see the holes form. Yeah, I like this. I think this is really cute.

I am currently reppping a short sleeve button up shirt because I feel like that is a design pattern that a lot of men get to rep. And women, like, don't as much. And my shirt that I'm wearing, much like when she is wearing, are both, like, I wouldn't call this cropped, but it, like, hits your waist as opposed to being, like, very long. Because I don't want a long time.

You're not really tucking this into your pants. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Or to your lack of pants, if you're pat. Yeah. I love this. I could not agree less. Not with your very Shaly in point, Mary,

about the double standard with the top. But I am consistently inconsistent. but across over a decade of doing this, there's like one hard and fast rule that I've ascribed to. If you are in a game where you are starving on a day-to-day basis, do not wear anything with food on it. You are reminding people of what they are missing in their suffering. You are bringing about a negative perception of yourself

because you represent what they cannot have. I love it for the job that she has. I would say maybe I'd rather the pants be cleavers and knives. Maybe that would be worse. But I just know if it's day five or six out there, I'm imagining cherries when I'm staring at her. And that's it.

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Learn more at Bloomberg.com. Okay, well, let's move on to our next look. Now, this item was pointed out by Mike. This is Carter's Puffy Vest, is sort of the central item that we're talking about here. And Mike explicitly mentioned the shirtless puffy vest look. Mike, how about you kick us off here? What do you think?

This is the biggest buff of all buffs because he's in the buff right now. I love this look. I noticed it because it's the look that he wears when he goes over to Toka and stays there. Like he's rain waterlogged as he does it. And yeah, you see the more formal look at tribal council when it has the shirt that he wears to the marooning attached. But just the idea that he has, first off, the idea of, okay, everyone gets a warm item. And Carter's like, take a vest, it'll be okay.

feels like the perfect way to describe his character of like, I think my arms will do all right, but I need to warm the chesticles, you know? So give me the puppy vest. And the fact that he is rocking the shirtless look with it is amazing to me. It's like Marty McFly was stranded in 2000 BC, and this is all he's left with.

He wears it well. It's now like burned into my retinas because again, this is the look that's associated with all the shit that went down during the mutiny. And so I got a buffet because we very rarely see not only a vest on Survivor because we just saw it with Christian, but specifically this type of vest.

You know, Carter went full soccer mom here. And I'll kick it with him. Yeah, it's, I think for me, it's the fact that it's like a winter, like you brought a winter vest to a tropical island. Oh, what? But I actually, I do see that line of logic. I was initially thinking I was going to come in and snuff this.

But I think I'm going to buff it just purely because it does, I think, so beautifully encapsulate Carter's game so far. Right. Like this is the representative symbol of his chaotic. Doesn't really make much sense, but we're working with it kind of game. Mary, what do you think? In the first picture, is he wearing like sweatpants shorts? Like, what am I even looking at?

Okay. Here's where I have to snuff it, and it's because I snuff this in real life. I have a vest, like, similar to this. And I never wear it because there's never a time where my torso is cold, but my arms aren't. There's never a time when I'm like, because they're too puffy to them put a bigger jacket on top of. And so, like, yeah, you could wear a fleece under it, but then why wouldn't I just

wear, like, just the fleet? I don't think this is reasonable. I never understand why people wear these in real life. and it's just not applicable to me and my lifestyle. I do think it's a good look, like visually, it looks good. So I almost want to buff it just only like on Carter, on Survivor. But no, I'm going to, I have to, I have to scan 10 times down on. I don't understand this look.

I've never understood the winter puffy vest. I don't get it. I love the look on the right especially because it looks like he's like staring down a window, sale at an R-A-I the way that he's dressed. Yes, yes, exactly. he's outdoorsy man look at him go if this was the same color same look removed the puffy and turn it into like a fisherman's vest that would make more sense to me more functional the first one kind of looks like it like it i don't think it's a giant pocket but it kind of looks like it's a giant pocket i think it is a giant pocket it looks like it yeah like in it too why did you put it in there carter oh my god

carter again represents his game no isn't that perfect though like carter would be the person to be like i got to bring something warm, but not something that covers my arms. That's Carter Croll, ladies and gentlemen. His arms run hot, okay? Maybe that's what it is. Okay, let's move on to our next look. This is Jenna. I didn't even notice this in all the chaos of episode one,

but she has this cute little crochet. I don't even know what to call it. Your little grandma cardigan? Yeah, it's a little grandma cardigan. It's, you know, potentially hand cross-stitched with all the little flowers on it. I thought it was very cute and I didn't notice it. So I wanted to bring it up so we could chat about it.

Mary, what do you think of the grandma look? I love it with like the athletic shorts. Yeah. This is something that I definitely probably had my mom put on me for Easter in like fifth grade. I don't know. Like this is very much. Yeah. I feel like it's cute.

I feel like with some high wasted jeans, this would be a cute look. As is on the island. a little confusing. It's almost a shirt that almost I'm like, is this supposed to be tied in the back like the other way? I don't think it is. Like a smock? I don't know.

Yeah. It's, I like that it's white because like I said before, I want to get dirty by the end. It's very cute. I think it is one of the most impractical things I've ever seen on the island. It does look more like, like cute girl got shipwrecked, though.

So I guess if that's what they're going for, where it's like, why would you be wearing this? It's a very, it's very brunchy to me. But I also feel like the pattern is giving a little, I grabbed the tablecloth and just I wanted to make something out of it. So I admire the craftiness, but I understand maybe why she gave. She made it. Well, that's why I understand maybe why the initial perception of her was getting off on the wrong. But maybe you look at this outfit and you're like, what are you doing?

Who are you? So I think I might have to snuff it for how enigmatic it is. It's the kind of thing that I would see in like an urban outfitters and I would, similar to kind of Mary's point, I'd be confused as to how I'm supposed to wear this. Do I wear a shirt underneath? Do I just tie it, tie it and then it's good to go? Like I don't really know. You wear a bikini and some running shorts.

There we go. Next, hey, Mary, next race? This is a running outfit. You can just put a bibble. on the back. Forget best blood. You'd win best dressed, hands down. There you go.

I'm going to buff it just because it's goofy. I would never wear this, but, uh, but it's hilarious. And I like Mary's point about it getting dirty over time. So we're going to go ahead and buff it. Yeah, I'm going to have to snuff it for the impractable. I can't say impractical. How it would be. It's an impractical phrase.

I understand. There we go. Thank you. Yes. Sorry. Continue. Okay. Our next is a series of looks, perhaps.

I'm thrown up by Kristen's face in that first picture. Okay, I will say I purposely kept Kristen's face and Carter's little face in the background because they both absolutely made me laugh. So, Ori, you know, we talked about this. Mike mentioned it where the castaways are getting, you know, more clothes than just the set that they're initially marooned with. And I think that no person exemplified this better to me than Ori because we have a variety of sort of types of outfits.

We've got a potentially, honestly, Jenna-style shirt, although a bit of a collar, some embroidery, short sleeve, Mary, right up your alley, although on a man. So, you know, we also have one of the, like, rugby kind of polo shirts. And then he's doing his best Carter handyman impression with his sort of outdoorsy plaid-ish to style jacket. So this is like the ball right on drag race. Like, we have to grade all three looks. Exactly. What do you think of Ori's whole thing? Okay, so the first one I like the best.

Like, it feels very beachy to me. You know, it actually feels very like white lotus of like, I'm going out to dinner at the resort and like, because I'm a man, like I can just get away with like a loose pattern with a light button down. And you think he wears it well. This second one, I know that the 2000s are in and this is screaming 2002 to me,

which is also kind of the style of gameplay that Orii takes. makes his strategy from. I also, though, I might snuff it because it looks like he buttoned it all the way to the top. And I cannot abide by that. Listen, I will absolutely admit that I am Mr. Too Few Buttons. Even the first time I wore this shirt on this podcast, I am buttoned it one too many times. And it looked like I was way too open about things. To me, Ory looked a little too closed off, a little too prim and proper.

This is not communion photos, buddy. Like, let a button loose, okay? Jelly wants to see what's underneath there. The third one, you know, it does get a little hot at tribal council, especially in front of the fire. So I am intrigued by his idea to seemingly roll up the sleeves on this jacket because it looks like it's two sizes too small on him. Now, maybe he does want to appear to be that big figure.

You got to keep me around. Look, I'm so big, I can't even fit in my own jacket. So if I'm weighing all three looks against one another, you know what? I'm going to give it a buff because this does feel like there's incredible variety. We have the short sleeve, we have the long sleeve top, and then we have the jacket to boot. Though I also wonder, I guess, going back to Eric's incompatibility with the weather,

like how absorbent must this jacket be? Is it wool? It looks wool to me. It does. It does look like it is perpetually damp, you know? Like it's never really going to dry out. Much like jelly is when she sees him. Am I right?

Hey, oh, okay, let that basement. Okay, for me, it's the variety that I love. I love the fact that he packed for all four seasons or all Fijian four seasons, right? Like, you do have that super light top, hopefully breathable. You got something when you're a little bit colder and then something when you're really chilly at night. So it's not really my aesthetic per se, but I like that it's very practical. So I'm going to go ahead and buff this. Mary, what about you?

I'm definitely buffing and I will say at least two out of three of these, the first and last like I own this. Like I would love this. I would wear this. This is me out there on Survivor.

Yeah, unfortunately I am going to, even though we also have some embroidered flowers on this one and it's a white shirt. So it's the two parts of Jenna's that I liked, but with a more practical style.

I believe that one is probably more of a jacket, but I routinely wear men's plaid flannel shirts as like a jacket sort of on top of things. They're not, they're not actually jacket material, but just sort of as like a second light layer. I'm a fan of that. I don't think I have any rugby shirts, but it's a, I think that that's a good look to be like,

it's not quite the full, like Christian, but it's sort of like, I'm doing a preppy thing to like show some variety because maybe, maybe that's the vibe that I want out here. So I like all three of these. And like you said, you know, transitions day to night. Oh my God, it's like 17 magazine. He's taking it from day to night, Mary. The one quam I have is there's a lot of callers happening here. What if you don't want a collar?

But other than the collars, like pretty good. Yeah. And it also has like a necklace that I like in all of these. It is kind of weird that Ori seems to be the most buttoned up guy besides Christian considering like his job is a personal trainer, which is like the most no-collar job among the cast. The idea right. Like I'm surprised production,

let him wear this instead of being like, no, you need to wear like a tank top or something like that. I don't know. But I do think that that's like kind of this idea of like, look, I'm a big buff guy. So maybe like, let me show some fashion that might lead people in a different direction. I don't know.

Yeah, that's fair. Okay, our next sort of cornucopia of looks is our favorite brodie. Brady, which Mike was originally was like, you got to pull his pants. We had to talk about his pants. Obviously, the man who still has his pants. But I also noticed this cardigan

as I was rewatching the episodes. And I did not note this. So I thought that it was absolutely necessary for us to talk about. So again, Mike, you have the floor. Tell us about this. So I'll start with the cardigan because this is the newer item to me,

the more top of mind. I love how blocky this is. Like it kind of is representative of Brady in that it's just a bunch of random colors scattered about, but in very like specific patterns where you kind of know how it's going to occur, even if it is random. It's giving guidance counselor. And I love it because I think that I do not want him to give me any sort of kindness as to what's going on in this game. The pants, these pop back up in my mind because I remember them from the cast photos,

but I remember seeing them down on the beach in this most recent episode and they came back to mine for me. I do not understand. Like, it's part genie. Like, it's a little Kazam adjacent to me. They're so baggy. I mean, we'll talk about,

I don't know if Lewis's pants are on here, but he also has incredibly baggy pants. I don't know why we're doing that this season. I mean, I guess it's more comfortable, but also at the same time, we don't need the whole Westerlies blowing through your trousers. But the pattern

is really what does it for me. It's the wallpaper you find in a three-star Japanese restaurant. And so I'm going to get some Nagasaki rolls and I'm going to give this a buff. I almost thought the pattern was the like Survivor logo at first. Okay, yeah.

It's a little bit difficult to see with this photo. They're fans. And his crotch goes down to about his knees. Yes, the dropest of drop crotch. Yeah. I wasn't sure what the official term for this type of pants is, because I just think of them as drop crotch pants. But so, okay, if you raise the crotch up like a foot.

Yeah. So that they're not, they're still baggy and so loose, but not like that. My dad had some pants that we just always called his fun pants that were basically this, but with a different pattern. And he wore them completely out to where I was like once I became an adult. I was like, I got to get him some more of these fun pants. I hunted down and found the creator. And I learned as I did this that they're like,

Rexquando, like they're like, oh, yeah. They're like that's what they are. They're like Jimbrough pants technically. They're a bodybuilder. That's what I'm looking for. They're like bodybuilder pants. Let me just tell you.

I got him another pair. I bought myself. I brought my brother some. Everybody has fun pants. But yeah, they have more of just like, kind of like a fun colorful pattern. I have to buff this just because once again, I basically own all of these.

Besides, the jorts are the only part of any of this that I don't like because I just think jeans on Survivor's terrible. But like the color block cardigan literally have that. Love his, again, fun button up shirt. So, and it's very, all of this is very pretty.

I like how his button up or his cardigan matches, his buff as well. Mm-hmm. And kind of the pants. Like there's similar color profiles throughout. I hate his pants a lot. And I'm just imagining

wearing them and constantly getting my crotch stuck on stuff. Wait, what? Don't ask questions. I don't know. I just feel the extra fat for it. I'm like stepping over things and I'm like crawling in places. I'm a mobile gal. I'm on the move.

Okay. So I can't be having any extra my crotch on anything. I'm snagging my crotch left and right. So, yeah, I can't. I can't be having any of that. The cardigan I would wear, but overall, and I don't really like the shirt. Sorry, Mary, I know as a short sleeve button up,

but not my vibe. I do love that, Britt, the two colors on Pretty's cardigan are also completely different colors as well. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. And there's like also like some, if you look closely,

it's a little bit difficult to tell in the small image, but it's also like doesn't seem seamlessly sewn together anyway. But I might fall apart, Mary, to your point. It might be T-Mu. It's hard to tell. It probably. All right.

Well, our last, I guess you could call it a look, was also annoyingly requested by Mike Bloom. It is the thumb necklace. Because, of course, I have to see this. I have to again look at the thumb necklace. So as we talked about last week, this is something that Brady somehow,

managed to like, I don't, like, then it made me start thinking about what actually happened to his thumb. Was he just like carrying it the entire time? Did they take it to Ponderosa and hold on to it for him? But somehow he managed to get his thumb, embed it in resin, and make a whole necklace out of it. So, uh, yeah, immediate snuff. This is awful. And I hate even having to look at this. So apparently said medical put it in a bag and kept it. Is that what they said? Yeah. According to, because Jeff Probst does these like field notes every week on Instagram now. I guess it's the new version of the On Fire Pod path where he like gives notes.

I think he said in last week said actually it was the art team that cast this in resin and made the necklace. Ew. Regardless. I kind of don't want the answer, but I'm confused me of this. It's like, because I did kind of close my eyes when this part of the episode was happening.

I don't understand what part of the thumb this is. Is it a male? I'm confused. I thought it was like, oh, yeah, That's it. Or is it the face? Is it the underside? You know,

it's not important. This is a snuff. This is terrible. This is the worst thing that's ever happened ever. I hate it. Look, if you're J.T. and you lose your tooth,

fine. Fine. Make a tooth necklace. People do that. Sharks teeth necklaces are things. This, no. I hate that I stuff to look at this.

Okay, quick, Mike. Buffer snuff. Let's go so I can get it off the screen. I am a big proponent of mental health. and the idea of wearing your trauma. No. I love literalizing this idea of, listen, I am stronger than the most painful moment in my life.

And you know what? I was able to, you know, withstand it so much that I wear it as a literal badge of honor. This is, Mary, you're saying, like, people wear short-stead necklaces all the time. Yes, people lose teeth. People don't lose pieces of their thumb. This is such a unique situation that I honestly think it calls for a unique piece of jewelry.

And I think also this is once again very Brady coded. Like remember Brady is the one that says, hey Pat, can you pull an aerial and put this sucker in a seashell for me to put it on display? Not ow, not oh my God. Hey, make sure it doesn't get too Sandy. I want to save that sucker for a necklace. later on. The fact that, and here's the other thing, too, and I mentioned this last week, but this man had the audacity to apparently wear this to the premiere event at the American dream. Listen, the fact that he was able to be a walking spoiler on that night, and nobody

had a clue, shows a level of surreptitiousness that we have not seen from this man in the past three episodes. I will buff it two thumbs up. Great. No. No. Thank you, Mike, for making us all look at that. I will say that is not that he did wear it to the premiere. Like, that's crazy. I would expect nothing less, though, the more that we're finding out about him. For real. All right. Well, we are certainly not thumbing our nose at the way we end each and every podcast here on the B&B, which is to divert the discussion to the outside world, outside the realm, outside the realm, of Survivor and all the shenanigans there in. We give our guests the opportunity to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them that they want the listeners to know about.

Mary, the ball is in your court. I am going to go with a charity that I've most recently worked with, which was Big Brothers, Big Sisters. And so if you are living somewhere where you are able to support them as an adult being matched with a child, or just they have a lot of events like in my town, we do a lot of like bowling events where you get to hang out and also donate money and there's fun prizes and everything. So if that is something you're interested in, also a really great cause for matching people

and having good like mentoring relationships. I love that. And this is probably the only way that certain reality TV fans can tolerate Survivor and Big Brother being in the same sentence. Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, the games do not stop here this season when it comes to the B&B. Because as I mentioned before, I have the great pleasure of getting to join Mary every week with the patrons of Rob has a podcast for a brand new venture Survivor Game Night. Mary, can you give a quick elevator pitch as to what game night entails for the uninitiated?

Are you someone who wants to compete against other Survivor? fans and show off your knowledge in a variety of different style and themed challenges. Are you someone who wants to maybe even sometimes compete against Rob because he's played the last two weeks as well? And do you want to have fun and kind of like gear up for the episodes with me and Mike? Cracking jokes? There might be wigs. There might be shenanigans.

You don't know. Mike doesn't know because he wasn't there last week. Mike, check it out. You got to go back and watch the tapes. But yeah, come to the Survivor Game Night. It's sort of like pre-survivor happy hour plus funning games. And yeah, Mike wasn't there, but this week we played a game all themed around three-letter Survivor players in honor of Anna being voted out in the previous episode.

That one was quite hard and fun. And then we did sort of a little more easy fun game called Where's Mike Bloom? It was great. It was great. You were asking about a very different mic in terms of the edit. So yeah, check that out. Again, only for patrons of Rob has a podcast, which you can become starting at the $10 month level.

Not only the only perk that you'll get. There's many, many more, but if that's enough of an incentive, feel for to check it out. Usually around what, like 7.15 Eastern Mary, about like 45 minutes before the episode is when we usually check in. Yeah, join around then.

And we'll get going and chat a little about what we're excited about in the next episode and play some games. It's good time. All right, Mary, anything else you'd like to plug for the listeners out there? Um, you can check me out over on the, um, uh, millennial TV podcast with Matt Legory, where we are covering the very topical Sweet Life of Zach and Cody from the early 2000s.

So, I love it. They wore a rugby shirt or two, I remember. Yeah. What's your Venn diagram between Survivor and Sweet Life, Zach and Cody? I don't know. But it's, uh, actually, we, we had someone, um, on the episode who there was like a, an extra in the background who was contested on on the, on Big Brother. So you never know. You might see some Survivor players.

Wait, who? Who? Yeah. Diane was there. That's wild. I know. It was crazy. This was after she was on Big Brother. Maybe she was getting into acting. Interesting time. So yeah, come, come check that out for a fun millennial TV recap. Also, I believe I can't remember wrong here. Will you be at the Washington, D.C. live show that's happening with RJP. I will be at the Washington, D.C. live show this week.

And actually, I also forgot to mention this week. We also have Love is Blind season 11 coming out. So me and Asia and Jason will be talking about season 11. Can't believe it. When we asked Rob to cover the show on season two, we never thought there be 11 seasons. So where are they this season? Austin.

Boston. Oh, okay. You have to see the men's cast photos, Mike. I recommend. You should talk or snuff those. Yeah, that might be another podcast. Mary will not be here for game night. Maybe that's what I'll do for my second game is just buffers-up.

The men's logs. We can check out everything that Leanna and I are doing, whether it's the pal for Leanna, whether it's, you know, all the exit press for me. Again, I had two very delightful conversations with Rob and Pat for two very different reasons. Very much recommend you check that out. Also, again, as always, we want to hear your game ideas.

We've already gotten a couple so far for this season. We're just keeping in the hopper for down the line for a slow week. So this week is not slowing down or this season's not slowing down anytime soon. We'll see what happens with this swap. Who ends up where, what the dynamics are going to be? It seems like we're already in for some intriguing stuff between Jelly and Ori seemingly being reunited, whether it's Maggie completely giving Mike nothing after he is seemingly gives her nothing or whether it's the pure idea of an unstoppable force,

meaning an immovable object with Danny Kilby and Eric Max sued. Only time will tell as to what pandemonium will ensue next week, but we'll talk about it here on the B&B. Special thanks to the entire team behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and ears and welcome America for his fantastic theme song. We'll be on and I'll be back next week, covering episode four, this swap, and everything they're in.

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