RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 2 Recap

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss is recapping every episode of Australian Survivor: Australia V World. Tonight, she and Pooya discuss the complex strategy of this second vote.

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Hello, everyone, Australia, Australia Vee World. I'm your host, Shannon Gus, here to talk about episode two. Oh my God. Oh, my God, that was so good. That was such good TV. Like, I really feel that Australian Survivor cemented itself for such a great franchise. And we had an episode focusing on the Australia Tri. not all the gameplay was good

but just seeing like the clash of these characters you know coming here and holding their own with some I think international legends last episode in terms of entertainment was so exciting so much fun I'm giddy to talk about this episode because there was a lot going on and here not for a non-middling

episode in this middle episode of the week it is a Puyah Monday Puyah thank you for being here of course thanks for having me Shannon it's a good to be back you're not wrong two episodes in And this feels like a fever dream come true, but in the best of ways.

I feel like we were blessed. The episode was strong. We had a lot of good content. It's juicy. We already have gotten a very fun tribal result. We can talk about some more as well. But I can't complain. All in all,

zero complaints so far. I'm having so much fun. Like watching the episode was so fun. Making my notes was fun. Rewatching it was fun. Podcasting about it. It's fun. I hear's my content idea.

we do an immediate re-watch podcast right after the season because even just re-watching the episode I'm like there is so much here like here are some notes that I wrote down

but just I don't know if it's irony but just like interesting things that were just on the second time round so interesting firstly I love how George says

to Kirby you can't say anything about David his network of spies will turn on you he becomes a spy who turns on her which I love

I didn't I mean for the gameplay no but so interesting that would come back I love how Sarah tells Kirby, oh, Georgia wore around you if he doesn't get his way. But her whole dilemma through the whole episode is if she should do that. And to an extent, she kind of did. David says to them, well, like, he's giving them the whole plan. He's like, or I'll just

tell you guys what to do. And then you say effort and blindside me, obviously they do that. RIP David, by the way, RIP to the Golden Guard. And obviously, the whole episode, George is trying to push the communal vote when he is everyone's easy communal vote, the one they keep coming back to. But instead of that, we get this plurality of three. coming through um kirby you are the coolest person in the whole world you are the coolest person on the planet kirby the godkiller takes out david the golden god which is so insane to me i am sad that i underestimated kirby in the preseason up i thought what david thought like she'll kind of fall to the bottom of this five she knows luke and luke knows everyone and she'll be in this group i forgot that

Kirby doesn't go along to get along. Kirby does the big thing in 47 days, let alone 16. She did the biggest possible thing here, and it was fireworks. From an entertainment perspective, I loved it. From a gameplay perspective from Kirby, I also loved it. Like, there was so much to love in this episode. It was incredible.

Yeah, I mean, you have, again, Kirby is like, I'm the princess amongst kings and queens. Kirby is a legend in her own right already. So the fact that she's amongst these people and she's considered like the least the lesser known you know the kind of like the rookie so to speak

just because of like recency bias but in a negative way is how you would term it but I mean she was never going to back down here literally in the first episode we hear Kirby's season be described as chaos after chaos big move big move and you're not wrong there's a reason why it's my number one favorite season of all time any franchise included so

it's not surprising to me that Kirby goes this direction but what's interesting to me is that they didn't expect it I feel like you this was a huge mistake coming in to not look at Kirby as someone who's very willing to make this exact move and I do love

I do love that she now has a moniker she is the god killer I like that so so well earned Kirby I should have known I should have known that Kirby would do the biggest possible most chaotic thing. We'll talk about it for Kirby. Sarah was unforeseeable. Like, they need Sarah's number. And I really am shocked that Sarah would turn on David

as someone who, as she says, she's known outside of the game for 12 years. Like, they've never played together. But they've, I think that David got cast via Sarah or, you know, like they've known each other since before, either of them played, before, well before, either of them played, let alone the connection that Sarah has to Luke. That one was shocking for me. But yeah, Kirby has, I don't, I'm not if I'm just so hyped up by. but like Kirby to me is one of the most naturally gifted players for this game. She's audacious. She doesn't care about the worries and the strife.

You know, like I think that the way that, like I've said this before when I interviewed Kirby, when I did the deep dive, like I always think about everything that can go wrong. Kobe doesn't think about that. She just goes for it. It's so bold. And obviously the natural skills that she has for the game that she can get over someone like a Sarah from, again, these like multi-year relationships. I don't know the relationship that Kirby and Sarah have outside of the game,

but it's at best a few months, you know, because she only played a few months before they're filming right now. She was only on TV. So even if Sarah reached out at the time, she definitely doesn't have this long-standing relationship with her, let alone her connection with Shawnee. And then she just has these big ideas and she's fearless. Like she's absolutely fearless.

I'm not trying to sneak in Taylor Swift album titles. She's just, I just want to be Kirby. I think she's so cool. And I thought this was so good. Was it pretty? No. Was it socially pretty? No.

Like she, you know, she kind of forced her allies through beyond their comfort. It almost blew up a million different ways. She took out David freaking Janet. And oh my God. Like that was,

I'm just, I'm in awe of Kirby. I just am. I think that Kirby, you know, we've seen players who were on the last season right before an All-Star season and then they get brought in

and no one knows them, but they know the people. I feel like Kirby's in a weird situation where it's like they know Kirby because the season did happen before this happened and it was broadcasted before this happened so they would have seen so they know of Kirby

but Kirby's unique because Kirby might not know of everybody else because Kirby is not out here watching all the things and you know she mentioned how you know this we'll see how that pans out I personally am someone with the belief of that's good because she already knows the situation she's in she's amongst legends

that's all I needed to know but she has no emotions wrapped into anybody there's no connections here she's not trying to like she ain't pissing anybody off that she's friends with because she don't know them like that and I think that's actually a very refreshing way to to be in a season like this

where you know people are connected through the shows they came up on the seasons they were on the events they've been to Kirby's detached from that to a certain degree so you can make some of these moves without thinking twice but I think credit has to be given to the fact that Kirby was able to pull Sarah in to the point where Sarah was like,

I have to vote with Kirby. So if Kirby says, not David, not David, George, goodbye. If Kirby says David is going to be David. And that's just how it is. I hope you have an idol. If you don't, uh, my hands are tied behind my back. But I also think it's important to look at it from Sarah's perspective. And I think Sarah do not want to be in the shadow.

And I feel like if she rides with David, she's firmly in the, the man's called the damn golden God. This is two G's. Golden God is the only winner amongst the Australians. Why would she ride with him? I guess I would maybe argue too early. Maybe. That would be me. But I understand where she's coming. She's trying to carve her own path right now. Yeah. I mean, well, in terms of Sarah, let's talk about, I mean, every one of these players are so interesting. For Sarah, I actually don't mind which side she takes. Obviously, she wants to have her cake and eat it too, and she can be with Kirby and not vote up David. At the point where Kirby is forcing David, Um, you know, she, like, she has to make a choice. And either one is fine. I think. I think if you go

with David, you know David, you know, Luke, you know, there's comfort there and there's a degree of trust there with people you've known for years. If you want to go with Kirby, you might be a little higher up in that group. She's maybe like fourth with the kind of Janine trio with David and Luke. She's maybe third with someone like Kirby or the top three of her and Johnny and Kirby. That could be quite strong. Fine. Either way, I'm actually not mad at it. What Sarah did was so classic Sarah.

And I love when you kind of get people who cannot help it be themselves. Because Sarah's like, I'm going to play the loyal game and did everything but in this episode. She rode the middle so hard. She made 2017 Sarah proud because that's exactly what 2017 Sarah did. She rides the middle and it's so obvious. And Sarah in this episode, she'll go to Kobe and say David, yes, but then she'll go and tell David to play the idol. That's not being loyal.

I don't mind who you're loyal to, but pick aside. certainly don't ride the middle and then say, I'm playing a loyalty game this time because, A, objectively false. And B, it's not even the right thing, I think. So I don't mind which way she went about it. I just wanted her to pick a side. But for Kirby, it really shows some of the reasons that David is really the right target for her. Maybe not for Sarah. Of course, if Sarah can get a Janine out or even like a George out and have her cake you need a two and do these communal votes, that's great for Sarah because she has allies in different sides of the aisle. Herbie is at the bottom of that group. She wants to take a shot at David. She's right to do it. As she says, George doesn't have the connections that someone like, David does. No one knows the connections that David does, and they don't even know about Dondy yet. So, David is such a huge threat from that perspective.

And another thing is, if your allies are uncomfortable, voting out, David. Sarah is, rightly, I think. George is will talk about wrongly investing in David, but he wants David in the game. If they're so passionate about keeping David, is it right to push your allies past the point of comfort? socially probably not but as a target now they don't have the escape raft they're clearly looking for in david now they're beholden especially someone like a sarah to kirby because she doesn't have this other option of someone she knows so well which is a threat to kirby's relationship with the sarah's and in george's mind george so that just makes david an even better target for someone like

kirby david of course is a massive physical asset but compared to like rob yesterday which i thought was a big mistake. The other side don't have Rob. There, I think Australia is a bit of a stronger tribe. There are also one challenge down the track. So emerge, you would think we'd be coming somewhat soon because there's so few people and so few days. So I'm not mad at it physically as well, you know, on the decision to go for David, for me, for Kirby, 10 out of 10 no notes. For Shawnee, 10 out of 10, Shawnee goes from the bottom when David's targeting her. They've had beef, well, not beef, but they've been on opposite size and all stars. And now, Shawnee's at the top. Shawnee went from bottom two to top two like that. So for Shawnee,

it's great. For Kirby, it's great. For George, I think it would have been good, we'll talk about. For Sarah, I see why she was trying to have her cake and eat it too. At the point where she couldn't, she should have made a choice. And unfortunately, she did not. So a lot of mistakes abound, but for me, not really from like the Kirby's and Johnny's of the world.

I think it's very, very clear coming into this season and coming into this tribe that the rest of the Aussies kind of look at George and see George as, we're not going to let this man get far at all. like he's probably going to be down and out soon.

So I feel like this was the right time to, there's clearly a trio on the other side. Take one of the trio out and then you could push a George out right after and you still have your three versus there too. Mathematically, you're sound safe, everything's secure. You're good. I think that one thing that was very clear this episode for quite a few people, but even I want to,

we're talking about specifically Kirby here, is that the amount of people, and we've seen this on other shows as well, where David gets, complimented when he's targeted. He's being targeted because he's liked so much. I like you so much. I cannot let you get far. And I feel like for Kirby, let's rewind back to Kirby's season.

Athletic, handsome, easy to talk to, a good time. Little chaotic, strategic, all in all good energy, someone you can be rivals with just as easily as you can be friends with. is Kirby looking at David, I mean like, oh, this is a fairest situation. I've literally been in this spot before and I got dipped. So we're not making those mistakes again. And also, I'm relatively unknown amongst these people. I'm the princess.

Let me immediately get a resume point under my belt and take out the one winner on our side. I think it made perfect sense. I think two other things that I want to bring up here, when George immediately rats out Kirby to David. I think that pretty much DOA that relationship. At this point you can't really go back. You've been called out. You've been pointed

at. And then they try to look past it. I think the other thing to look at is that tribal David's clearly giving Kirby her flowers, right? By being like, no, not big yourself up. You're playing more of a game than you think. And for Kirby, Kirby's like, I'm trying to hide, guy. Like, don't single

me out. I think at that point it's like, I'm just going to switch up because if I can already feel the, like he can do this to me, he can do this to anybody else. So let's not have any of that happen. So I think those are the things that really for Kirby made it hard to avoid looking at anyone but David here. Yeah, and honestly credit to her for not just voting out George

because George torpedoed her game and we'll definitely talk about one of the wildest conversations I think I've ever seen on Survivor. I hate to keep being hyperbolic, but he told David that Kirby was saying his name in front of Kirby. So that was a wild conversation. But much like Shawnee, Kobe isn't just like, oh, F you and votes out George, which everyone would be happy to do. You know, Shawnee could have done that too.

But I think they went, as you said, for the bigger fish here in David, who is a bigger target and also just so much more connected. George has kind of been like DOA from the get-go. So he doesn't have that like usual George threat level, although that is actually how George does sneak through. But I think if you're, as you said, like he's now disposable in a way that David never will be because he's so connected. So I think keeping that focus on David beyond how personally offended you might be by the fact that George has just done that, it's certainly better for

the structure of the tribe and where they sit in it. Because, yeah, if they take out George now, then they come back to that David, Luke, Janine, Sarah, four, and they're on the bottom. They ensured that they would be at the top. So I think that that was really good. But you are right in that Kirby's leaning into being the princess. Even by being saying, you know, I don't know any of you, I'm sure that's true. But she is leaning into it to varying success. They are are clearly like, you're clearly amazing at this game. Maybe look at you. But she's trying to do that. But if you're going to do that in a short game,

you also need to have the resume points, which she absolutely now immediately has, to win at the end. And she's shown that she 100% can hack it with anyone else. So I think that this was, yeah, 100% the right move for her, yeah, in so many different ways. It was so ballsy. And, yeah,

it was just completely right for the structure of the tribe and for her game going forward, as big as it was like that's the way that Kirby plays and honestly that's the way that this season necessitates in quite a short time um let's talk we'll talk more about I'm sure but let's talk about that conversation with George George George George what happened this episode like this I yeah I disagree with George in life about many things on the podcast right like if anyone's listened to our podcast we will fight like cat and a dog about strategy But when George is in the game, I agree.

I have no notes from Brains 1.0 until right now. And I watched that conversation with David and Kirby, and I thought I have more complaints about this one conversation, let alone how the vote went. I have more complaints about this one conversation than I do on two-thirds of brains be drawn for George and in the entirety of heroes v villains. What was George doing this episode, Puyo?

Can you explain it to me? You're muted? yeah i was muted um so first of all my thing is that it's i mean george is always going to is the type of player that's always going to come anytime he's coming back more and more he is the character that he he has advertised right he is this like villainous i am the king they all need to bow down to me i'm going to slice them up and the problem is some of these other players can do that also, but they can still hide it relatively behind either a goofy being that they are, you know, they can be like a, you know, they can make it be their B plan while they're

just being joky and hang in. George is not like that. I think George very clearly wears that on his face and no one can see any other thing about him. I think this season, more than any other time we've seen George, Shannon, the man's scared. The man knows exactly where he's standing. And that is not in a good spot. I think not in a good spot. I think part of what concerns. I think part of what confirms that for him is realizing that there is all these other connections that are there already and he has won and that one

connection he's burned before. So that's where the disconnect comes because and the reason I think that he was petrified of going because of the standing here we have to, I want to fast forward to the very end of this episode where

we have this vote. It's a 331 vote. Shannon he says what should I do, Luke says just go for Janine. I know. Should George not recognize that hold up, so Janine is voting Janine yeah, I should talk to

these other people just to confirm that is what we're doing because is Luke is like how it made no sense. It's impossible. I completely agree. When Luke said Janine, I was like oh, he's just tipped off to George the fact that they're not working with him for the reasons of

no one was ever voting Janine. George put out Janine, which I think is actually the wrong roof for George. No one was ever doing Janine. George falls for his own Janine plan, which no one else is doing. Now, the crazy thing about it is that David and George go and talk, they say Shawnee. Then the setup at tribal council is David, Janine, Luke. David is only having conversations with Janine. Even conversations he has through Luke, Janine would have to hear. She is right in the middle of both of them. When could they have even had a conversation to clarify as Janine and not Shawnee, which was just said to the

side of tribal council where Janine couldn't have heard it? When would they ever have confirmed Janine. You heard Shawnee and now they've never conversed without Janine. So you have to know that it's not Janine. I mean, so many questions on Janine as a target as well. Like, firstly, George kind of doesn't want to pick a side. He wants to do this communal vote. Why do you want to do a communal vote? You are at the bottom. I get Sarah wanting to do a communal vote. She's kind of in the middle of these groups. You are at the bottom. You 100% are in the freaking electric chair where we were all like you are in a horrible spot coming in. You've been handed a four person alliance to go to the top of the tribe, this top half, and you want to keep a communal

take out Janine to invest in David, who, as we see, that's a terrible read, is not investing back at all. Now, we'll talk about that for David, but the instinct to go for Janine is wrong. No one's ever going for Janine. Believing that it's Janine is so bad. George votes alone here. George has not been, George has been part of every vote, the person who goes home, whether it's on a split or mole vote or whatever, he's been in on it since Dainey went home by accident in Brainsby drawn until today. This is so off brand for George and I completely agree with you. It's because he's playing scared. It's because he doesn't want to go for David. I think to be honest, I do think George to a degree is like, no, the season must be good. The season is better with David. I actually

think George thinks like that. But I also think there's a degree of David then could play an idol. Like I could be on the bounce back. George, your life in this game is so tenuous. It's amazing you're even in the position to be taking out David. Do it. What do you mean a communal vote? What do you mean something congenial take the shot the other thing i think he looks at he looks at david as somebody who is one of his few shields he can hide behind i think that's another part of it but i also think that if you are truly to play the anybody but me game you have to just let people give you a name and run with it if they're giving you a name like but this one's the easier one know like let's do that or oh that's bold hey we didn't ask for ad libs you said anybody but me here's the not you just vote this not you

and let's move on so that combined with then ratting it out to david's face oh my god compared to then like now taking a sidebar with david at tribal david whose name has come up at tribal to be like how about we do this and said and then you voted jeanine i'm sorry shannon i just don't see a world where the next time Aussies are going to tribal, this man's gone. Like there's no, because he just didn't vote with the three people on this side. He voted Janine, so Jenny's not going to trust him.

These three were like, that wasn't the plan. They're not going to trust him. You nearly ruined our plan with this tie vote. We're not going to trust you. Who's he left with Luke? Luke ain't going to work with him. Luke knows better. So where does George go?

He has to hope they get to merch. That's really what it is. And even then, I don't love it for him. It was baffling. It was like a thousand strikes. and you're out. Like, you're lucky Shawnee's not voting you out. But Shawnee has bigger fish to fry. You blindsided her. Your lucky Kirby doesn't turn around when you say, immediately take the information she's given you. She's kindly given you the information that you're the split and

the target, let's be honest. You take it right back to David in front of her face. She's just told you, David isn't with you. You are investing wrong in David. He further invests in David over Kirby who is giving him not just a lifeline, but a group. What a wonderful opportunity, George. this was more than I ever could have wished for you. And instead, he spits in Kirby's face, literally almost, literally almost pretty much spits in her face. Tells David in front of Kirby, I know I'm the split, takes her leak. Then David says, who's writing my name?

And he obviously says Kirby, which was so insane. Why is he doing that in front of him? I mean, most people wouldn't anyway. But it's because he's continuing to invest in David who wants nothing in George. Every wrong thing starts from that wrong read of David, that wrong investment in David. and to a degree playing scared. As you said, it's not anyone but me

if it's anyone but me and David. It's not anyone but me if people give you a name and David and you think, well, what if there's an idol and the bounceback could be messy? David's good TV. David's a good shield. Now you have plans. You're not in the position to push your vote. You're lucky to be in this position now.

Take it and run. Say thank you, Kirby, and kiss her feet. And then vote out David. And if there happens to play an idol, firstly, don't be the leak, one of the two leagues. They might make David play the idol that makes you go home. Secondly, say thank you, Kirby, and take a group and ride that group into the sunset for as long as you can. What happened here?

This was, this was shocking. There was a shocking episode from George. Like, I think George was May was in this episode than David was. But ironically, where does David go wrong? David doesn't invest enough in George, right? Like, George invests too much in David. David actually needs to run with George who is giving his game up for. David at this point. If they all vote Shawnee, if his group of three and George

vote Shawnee, which George would be happy to do, David doesn't go home, but how can I blame David? Because that's so illogical for George to do. Like, why is George giving up his whole game for David? So why would David believe, or Janina Elsie's like, George could be lying? Why should they believe that George is doing that? When I watched it happen with my eyes, and I still can't believe that it happened. Fan Duel Casino's exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling. Winning, which beats even the 27th best feeling saying I do. Who wants this last parachute?

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all very small tribe uh to start things off with here's just seven and then when you factor in some of these relationships i think it's very hard to see someone be willing to burn someone the only person they know so why would you believe that but also george has done nothing but be chaotic a little bit also he rats out kirby but then he's working with you you, but then it sounds like he's going to be voting you. So it's one of those things where in a very tight situation at a tribal that let's say is also

a little bit live. If you're like, who can I trust at this live tribal? George is not one I would trust because that could just bounce right away and be a fake out. I think what they were concerned about was okay, so if we vote

with, if we take George's word as gospel and George does not vote with us, then we are four, three screwed. That's what's going to happen. That's why they revert back to the George vote anyway, because they're like, the only way I say is if that George vote was real.

Let's do that. But I think my issue there is that, okay, similar to what we said about George. George, why would you just vote Janine without making it clear with your group that, hey, we're doing Janine? Because the numbers don't make sense otherwise. I wish they would have talked to someone on that side,

like, hey, we're still doing George. because I think that, David, you got up with George and walked away. That looks sketchy. Like you, you want to make sure they know, hey, we're not doing anything nefarious just so you know. Because up until that point, ain't George the one you're supposed to all vote out together? Why would they think you're so voting him out if you're taking him to the side? That doesn't look good. Yeah.

Well, I mean, they end up betting on Sarah over George, which is not the right bet, actually. George was more invested in them than Sarah. But that is so shocking to me that I can't blame that. I actually think that's a much more logical bet, even though that's not how it pans out. But walking into tribal council, the last real name we heard, no one else is doing Janine. You think Luke is doing Janine, George, okay, whatever. But for everyone other than George, the name we've heard is George. I think the name for Sarah is George.

I think that Kirby uncomfortably pushes Sarah, even at tribal council to David, when it had been George. But as you said, so much is happening at that tribal council, I do think you go back to Sarah and say, I know I just got up with George, but George, right? But then the thing is, then does George get spook? So maybe the issue with David is kind of much like Sarah. He needed to pick an investment. And if you aren't wanting to spook George by getting up with Sarah, that's wrong. Because you've got to pick Sarah's the investment.

We're a strong four on George with Sarah. I don't know if we can trust Kirby, but Sarah, we have to go to her. We're not sitting near her. We have to talk to her. If George gets spooked, it's not about George. George is our target. And the four of us vote George. So I think that, yes, okay, if you're going to go with the,

George plan, then the four of you vote, Shawnee, that would have worked, but they don't want to trust George. I think that's fair. But if you're going to go with the George plan, which I actually think is fair, you do, as I say, as you said, brilliant point, that you have to consolidate again with Sarah, who did walk into tribal council voting George, but then had Kirby in her ear the entire time and could not speak to David and David never got up and had the conversation with her that he'd had with George. So I think that's what it is. It was again kind of being under attack and trying different options instead of just choosing a path, going strong. on that path, and I actually would have chosen to vote for George with Sarah, but they didn't

lean into that enough. They go with that vote, but they haven't, you know, they haven't actually cemented it with Sarah, who's that crucial fourth vote for them. And I think, yeah, the best for them at that point. Yeah. I, um, I don't know if she does it, by the way, but I still think that, I don't think she does, but I still think they should cement with her. Well, I think the problem is the minute David has been informed essentially that, hey, me, Sarah, my, my, vote is not tied to kirby because i want to show kirby loyalty that means that okay you have this relationship with sarah you could potentially gain that back for tonight's vote you don't i think you got to work extra time on kirby over anything because if kirby's fine with you that's two votes

that's yeah sarah not voting you kirby not voting you that's all you need no matter who goes you're fine right and then i think he could win sarah back later on i don't think that this just means that all right kirby and sarah are in lockstep forever whatever i think that was Sarah's way of earning goodwill with Kirby and then we see where they go from there and I think again the Golden God has proven to be a great player in this game I think he can win her back easy

I think it just came down to you got to win Kirby back but in a weird way by George outing Kirby to David it puts doubt in both those people ever trusting each other right and I think that's the problem is that that wall that invisible wall was shattered

now Kirby's like I don't know if I can trust him he knows I was coming after him And David's like, I don't know if I can trust her. She literally wanted me out. So I think it just makes it an impossible thing to patch up lest you, you know, stared down the barrel of the gun and decide, you know what, I'm risking it. I know that she's coming after me.

He's coming after me. I'm going to risk it and work with them. But with a game that's this quick, this short of time, and if you have other connections that are not going after you, then, yeah, why would I bother doing this? So I understand it. I understand it from both of them, why they couldn't let bygones be bygones for one round, move on to next round.

because it's just way too quick of a game, way too short of a game to keep a connection like that when you have more solid ones that have not said your name that you know of yet. Well, I mean, to be fair, David is trying. Like, he goes, as he said, to the water's edge to speak to Kobe. David was giving a lot of entertaining stuff. I know it doesn't work for everyone, but I loved it.

He made me laugh out loud so many times in this episode about, like, you know, how far he can throw George about 20 meters, maybe 25, you know, praying to the real God, betting on gold. There's a lot of, I love all that. stuff. And I'm really good to miss David as a TV presence. I might get him again soon. But I do. I think that, you know, Kirby's never coming over to vote with David for all the reasons of who Kirby is as a person and a player and how bold she's going to be, she does not back down. And how right it is for her to vote David. I mean, we hear David say he's trying to

manipulate Kirby, right? Like, she's a friend of a friend, really. Like, she has that connection to Luke and we see her kind of floated with Luke and looks like, you know, definitely not. And maybe Luke should have been concerned about the fact that she's doing that. But there are so many reasons for her to vote David. She's doing it from the get-go. We see in their kind of initial conversation that we see. She throws Shawnee under the bus. And Johnny's like one of her, maybe her close ally. So she's leading him on from the get-go until she is outed. That is her plan. So if David is between he needs Sarah, but with Kirby, which he kind of is, or he needs George, he's stuck between two pretty terrible options, to be honest.

And if that's the case, and if Sarah's so tied to Kirby, then maybe George is the right investment, and I go back again. The point is then make that investment, though, but then vote Shawnee. Then tell George Shawnee and vote, and then you have to put your trust in George. There are two really, really terrible spots. Yeah. But you got to make a choice on one. I think if we break it down real quick, right?

Janine, Luke, David, this is a three. He can trust this three. Yeah. If he does bring in George for this one. vote you know what screw it let's get rid of shani george you in you out what you're saying i'm in cool you vote out shani then sarah and kirby are still a let's say they're still a duo right they're together they don't trust george no more that is severed completely you don't even need to trust george any further it's a three to one now at best it's a three three but you have options you can

still bring sarah back in you can still maybe patch things up with kirby for one more vote and you can all just decide hey we're just going to go out george anyway next and then it's still a three two advantage. It really all came down to just survive tonight's vote and then let's see where we go from there because as long as I come back with Janine and with Luke at worst case scenario is a tie

tied right. It's a fine situation. I think the problem becomes it felt like they couldn't put their finger on the pulse of who is the vote and how do we get to that end? How do we because I think I feel like for David and I'm sure we know we'll find out down the line

but for David it was like okay I think no matter how I look at it there's four votes on me and I think that's the worry I have is that there's going to be votes on me so let me just go with the thing I think is most likely which is George going but I think if they really wanted to the opportunity to take Shawnee out there was

there which I would have been heartbroken to see happen but I feel like this season I'm just going to be heartbroken all the time so it was like I'm still sad golden gods gone you know like there was no winning here yeah I mean I think the issue is they don't even trust George to do that tonight it's not that they're like oh we'll need to trust George

long term. We don't want to invest long term. They don't trust George tonight because it's so unforeseeable that he is so much in David's pocket that he keeps speaking up for David that he will not see David go. How could David know that though? So I think that yeah, it was it was not trusting George to do that. They trusted Sarah even with Kirby more than George. That was wrong and they didn't consolidate with Sarah so they didn't go about it right. But both of those spots are bad. And that's why when I look at David here. Like, for me, in terms of legacy as an example, because we've lost two of the best winners of all time back to back as these first two boots. And as you said, there's no right answer, right? Like, every boot is going to suck. But I'm the kind of person I'm very gracious on

legacy. Like, you can never take away the fact that Rob Bentelay and David played two of the best winning games of all time, two of my top three, I'm with Tony, probably in, in, yeah, in their seasons, in terms of how they are as players overall, I'm still pretty gracious to that. Like, I still think JT is great, you know, like, I'm like, token gene speaks for itself. Like, I'm more gracious than most on that. Um, Rob played really badly yesterday. Like, he made a lot of mistakes. For me, I'm still higher on his legacy. Then I think maybe others will be when they see how badly he plays in the real time tonight. Um, David, like, what did David do wrong, really? Like, he comes in as the only winner. He comes in as a huge

target. He wasn't meant to be there. I don't know that I can say that David did a lot wrong. I think there are a tricky spots. I'm not saying he played it perfectly. But I just, I really don't take a hit at the legacy because I don't put a lot on him the way that I did on Rob yesterday because Rob clearly made like tangible mistakes. It's tough because I feel like whoever wins this season,

I think it enhances their legacy. But I think everyone else who loses it, I don't quite see it the same way just because of the caliber of player. Like for example, I'm not calling Natalie Anderson a flop for being the first boot on winners at war. I mean, granted she comes back and finishes in the top three.

But you know what I mean? Like, I'm not doing that because that was goddamn winners at war. They're all winners. Like, Sandra's legacy was not tarnished by Denise getting her out. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that didn't happen. Or at least, again, I think you and I are a little bit on the same wavelength. I'm somebody who I also do not count other shows as part of the, like, you have a survivor legacy.

You have the other show legacy. If you do well in both, it enhances your legacy. But I think if you lose in it, it's like, well, you're not meant for this game. You're meant for this game. But with Survivor specifically in mind, this is 16 days. um it is 14 people to start the pacing is so different that it can kind of feel like a different game um to a certain degree at least some of the motivations you're not looking to bring people to day 50 here you're looking to bring people to day seven day eight and then by day 12 like you're you know

it's different it's a little bit different it's a little bit different when we can talk about this all day but um for me the golden god stays the golden god and i think just the nature of the way the show is right now the way this cast is David was the only winner on that tribe so now you're in a situation where if an Australian is to win they're going to win their first

crown so it's exciting that's cool we'll see how that goes also it's hard to feel bad I love the golden god you know this I've been on record the man won bread this year good bread I think he'll be fine

yeah yeah be okay will i be okay poor chappelle he was like if i come back and david's gone yeah oh immediately it's been a tough few episodes for our boy chapel yeah but we are each

each draft team is down only one player yeah it was even there so far i'm not going to be okay with david leaving i love the standing ovation again i really love david but i think i'm like you and that like yeah people can increase their legacy like kirby freaking played with the big dogs and showed that she's not just Titans v. Rebels, which was such a hard season, by the way. Like, playing well in Titans v. Rebels is really impressive. Like, that was a great cast, but it was an all-newby cast. We saw it last year, but Kobe came in here and showed that she's up there

with the best of the best. But when other people make, it's kind of weird, because when other people make mistakes in that forum, I'm like, yeah, but it's really hard and really fast, and it's up against, like, the pressure of great competition, and I don't see it really negatively. It's like, I don't expect you to play perfectly up to that level. If you can, I'm even higher on you. If you're not, I'm still neutral on it. Do you know what I mean? I think that that is where I sit with it.

So I'm not low on it for David. But I would love to talk about some of these other players. As an example, let's talk about Luke. Luke finds the idol. I was shocked that it didn't come up to play the idol for David. And again, doesn't take away from the legacies. I really disagree with this. I think that Luke, we never saw any consideration on it.

He said he's not telling anyone he wants. to play. It's a short game. You never know how an idol comes in handy. I think David is of more use to Luke than an idol, especially with how dicey it was for David. David of all people is a shield is a huge connection.

I don't know how much he knows about Dondy, but is a connection over to the other side. It's someone he really trusts. It's someone he's been incredibly close with, has played incredibly well with before for a half or more than half of a game. I think David is worth more and David was worth the idol here.

and I'm shocked that that wasn't a consideration for Luke. But where do you sit with Luke possibly playing this idol on David? I don't agree. And also, sorry, you're one looking on this. Luke's now at the bottom of the tribe, right? Like maybe you take out a George, but at the end of the day, it's Kirby's choice, what she wants to do. I think she has a three of six and the other three are not united.

It's not a good spot for Luke. If Luke keeps David, he, Janine and David, say at the top of the tribe, then they have Sarah, and then Kirby and Shawnee, depending on which way the vote goes for them, which way they want to take it. The structure of the pre-emerge is so much better. if it is a great long-term ally.

So I think that you, you know, you get both of it. I think that, okay, so I think for me, if I'm, if I'm going to think about it, I feel like I can understand not using the idol. Like we've said, it's a shorter game, 16 days, right? I keep saying 16. Let me make sure I'm right. It's 16 days. It's 16 days.

Yeah, cool. Yeah. So 16 days. Luke is in a known three. in a world where there couldn't be a more clear okay there's a known three on each tribe

he's at a three that everyone's kind of assuming all right Janine Luke David they're kind of working together right so I agree that keeping David's good for his game

keeping David's good for his game if they were able to get the vote off here keeping David would have been great for his game however I think there are also benefits to losing David for his game I think it brings his threat level low he is on the outs a little bit if we're looking at the numbers as pure

like okay those three have the control Georgian with them really because you voted Janine it's a three to one and they're in the two that's bad he still has idle to get out here that's fine and I just think that immediately putting yourself on the radar like that because then if you put yourself out there like that

and then you like the I don't know how many people we think are going to go before we get to jury do you think like four people and then we go to jury is that what makes sense I think merge sorry not jury merge yeah like to 10 people okay yeah so then mathematically is like so we're here now i idle i keep dave david right then we win the next two immunities let's say the world loses a couple what's stopping the people we burned here to go jump over and then

work with them i think keep if he's able to keep the idle hidden and make the merge that is a way better tool for him to navigate things and move around and then then it is to use it here and then be like a big have a lot of eyes on him going into merge because right now he's in the outs right but if they let's say they let's say okay so let's say george is like the casualty that's demanded by the by the to bring the tribe together and george goes and they somehow survive um intermerge with these five without george he's on the outs him and jenine just go to the other side and whatever numbers they can find like hey listen they've been picking us off like you need to help us we'll work with you and then you still have your idol in case you need to double

cross this side like and luke is capable of doing all of these things look can do anything the golden god does i really believe it i think the personality he has and we talked about this in the draft lends to being able to play a game like that a very you know cheeky game a very cerebral game but it can hide behind the smile hide behind the jokes a little bit and i feel like you want people right now to just remember you as luke the jokester not luke i just pulled up idle out of my pocket the first travel we're at and I nullified all your votes and we got out somebody else and now all the eyes are on us come merge I feel like obviously so to sum up they're like rambling a little bit um if he was able to keep David and keep his idol

that's the best situation if David has to go um like I think keeping the idol mattered more than David staying ultimately I think I just don't agree I mean I see Luke doing as you say like with the being the banana bandit there but banana bandit or something I don't you know, Tyson style and even creating these social connections we've seen with Shawnee like across the aisle. And he even had a record, they show his closing confessional about how there's only one king to George, but he voted wrong. So I thought that it was cool that they gave him that moment.

So I feel like Luke's getting good content. My concern is that I really do think that the, I don't think that the idol matters as much. I've always said this. And I still believe it in, in a short game, but to a lesser extent, I always think a good ally is more important than an idol. in 16 days I believe that less but I believe it when it's Dave for Luke The shield, he's a known vote

Like there's just so much there And now he might need his idol You know they keep going back to tribal council They are a bit weaker now But I still would bet on Australia And we can talk about it But yeah he might need his idol He can try and like really appeal to Kirby

Who he knows from real life And try and like keep that relationship He can try throw George under the bus Of course there are options And he has his idol But that's defensive options I would use my idol to create to create a move and to have power

to lead the group. So the other thing I forgot to bring up in my thing was then the idol gets thrown back into the rotation and now potentially someone could end up with it that you don't know about. I think there's a lot of power in knowing where the idol lies and playing the game knowing full well. Okay, I have the idol.

So I know for sure this, like these votes will go where they're going because I don't think any shenanigans is going to happen. I think that's also important. Again, if there is a final, let's say it's a final three. There's 14 people. That's how many tribals. Like 11 tribals you need to survive.

That's not that many to get the way in a 60th, like in that amount of time. So keep it as long as you can because all you need is to get one step further, one step further. And then you're in a good spot. I see that point and I flip it. If you're only going to a handful of tribal councils because it's such a short game, you do need to only survive fewer and an idol can help you survive. But you also need a sit at what will probably be a final three in 10 episodes. and have a game to speak to.

This is a big loss from the beginning. If you're sitting next to what will undoubtedly be another legend because these are all legends, and they can say, Luke was on the back foot from the pre-verge. She was blindside. Well, not blindsided, but he had his ally taken out in the first vote.

Sure, Luke might defend himself and survive defensively with this idol and get to the end, but I would much rather get to the end sitting next to a poverty or a Tony or sorry or any of these legends and be able to say, I save David with an idol. Give me the win right there. you need to start banking the resume points.

There's a very delicate balance here in the season between being out too far in front. Everyone's a threat. But I still back Kirby's thing because Kirby will be able to sit at tribal council in five days from now at a final tribal council and say, I took out the golden god. And while that does make her more of a threat,

it also means she can sit next to the poverty, the toadies, the Tones, the Surreys, and say, I'm not just underestimated. I'm the godslayer. And I think all of them need to think a lot about that because, yes, there are a few votes to survive. You've got to think about that. But there are only so many votes to make a name for yourself

amongst the biggest names in Global Survivor. And you have to think about that. And I back Kirby on that because she did that here. And I'll be thinking about that if I'm a juror in less than two weeks from now. Yeah. You're a Mario Party person, Shannon. Are you a Mario Kart person? You're a Mario Kart person?

Okay, cool. Yeah, I don't play Mario. I'm not a good Mario Car. I'm less, no. So think of Mario Party when you play like a 20-turn game, 15-turn game, let's say a shorter game. Who's the one that's going to get targeted by all the players? The person who gets the first two stars in the first five turns,

you're looking at that person. You know who you're not paying attention to? The person who starts collecting stars quietly around like 11th turn, 12 turns. That's in six days. It's not a 15 turn game. This is a five turn game. I agree with you. Yeah.

I agree with you. But because of how much pace there's, how much time there's still left in the game, how many people are still left in the game, you can get that resume notch later. There are still Titans left in this cast that you can claim on your mantle and say you took him out 100%. And I think that again, I'm playing devil's advocate to like saving your ally with the idol versus like, you know, you might burn the idol or not use it or whatever. And having a ride or die

and David. But I think that if I'm playing devil's advocate here, I think that using an idol to ouster another player when you do not have such a clean cut group that's locked in with you is even more impressive. So if you are like if you're fighting your battles and you know, you've won a couple of immunities and like that we can't get rid of them. There's no ways. And then you idle someone out when everyone thinks you're gone. That has more impact than getting it done here.

Like this is a fast-paced game, but I think a lot of it also people are going to be focusing on some of the latter evictions. The Big Brother season is doing a number on me. Vote outs. So I do think he can still get exactly what we're describing. that's still going to happen. It's just a matter of you're not wrong. But at the very least,

Luke is guaranteed one more tribal because he kept his idol. And I think that's more than any other player on this tribe can guarantee themselves. Luke would be guaranteed if he had that three with Janine and David going into a six with a probable Sarah. Like he would set himself up well.

You take your wins when you can get him. There is no guaranteed win with this cast in so few rounds. When George is fumbling, when David's between difficult situations. Kobe took a win. It was there for the taking and she took it and she could talk about it to tribal council

in a very short amount of time at final tribal council. That's the way that I would play this game. Play big and ask questions later. The way Kirby plays, where Kirby lives life, Kirby should be a motivational speaker. Is she? It's wonderful.

But Kirby doesn't think, well, what if David has an idol? You know? Kobe doesn't think, well, what if it goes wrong? Kobe just does it. You know, Kobe wouldn't think, well, who's going to find the idol next time? Someone bad.

no, Kirby will just do it. And then she'll go find the out. You know, you just, you do it and you deal with it later. And most of the time it works. And honestly, I'm coming around to it and I'm not that kind of person. But I love how Kirby does it. Like, Kirby, it's so impressive in this episode that she's one of, what, three names not mentioned on this tribe.

Luke wasn't mentioned. Kirby wasn't mentioned. And Sarah wasn't mentioned. But then Luke is on the wrong side of the vote. Sarah is, again, between, like, playing in a play style. She's not even wanting to play her. Sarah's like there's nothing I can do tell David he has to play an idol there's nothing I can do

you will the swing vote David is very correctly like a vote with me I actually know you so you can just be the vote that wins for me but Kirby's great well the thing is for Sarah I don't need like you mentioned Sarah's like in the middle but Sarah's making it clear I'm not trying to be in the middle I'm trying to prove loyalty

to one side on one side only and that side leans with Kirby so no but then don't tell David to play the idol don't be a leak that's not loyalty that's playing the middle well as long as it doesn't get back to anybody it doesn't it isn't playing the middle you're fine well that's um that's that's that's a big if it leaks if it leaks she's in the middle right she's caught but until that point if david plays the island is the only person who knows this right but i think it's very clear she's not david's not going to be there later to throw

it back in her face i don't think she's looking at that at all she's trying to like do her right by David, but then be like, well, I didn't vote for him. I voted the way you want David in the game. She's trying to save David. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. She's trying to have both ways for sure. But I think that moving forward, she was going to vote with Kirby

in subsequent tribals. She would like David to stay, but not at the expense of burning Kirby. Yeah, but that's not an ally. Like that's not an, that's not, that's not an ally. That's not, that's not, that's not

an ally I want. Really? Yeah. Yeah. An ally who was like, I'll vote. As she says, George will go around you if he can't get what he wants. And she had just gone to David and to Janine to tell them to play an idol. Kirby wants David out. She leaks to David. She ruins the blindside. That was terrible. Like, yes, she chooses Kobe, but at what cost. Now, Kirby is pushing Sarah past her comfort. Sarah is within her right to choose David if she wants to choose David, but then pick aside. Pick Kirby and just do the blind side on David because Kobe's not giving you the option to have your cake and eat it. too. While I do think it would be best for Sarah to have a communal vote, be able to vote out

a George or whatever, and I see why she wants David in the game. She's not being given that option. Her number one ally wants out, her number two ally. Kirby wants David out, and Kirby will not budge. So then maybe you say effort Kirby, you've pushed me past my point of comfort. I'm with David. Make that decision fine. Or you say, no, I'm still with you. You vote out David fine. But you can't say, okay, I'm with you, but I'm linking it to David. So I'm hoping that my vote goes wrong. What if she does that and David does have an idol and he does play an idol and Kirby goes. That's not an ally. That's playing the middle.

Leaking it to the other side is playing both sides. She's literally playing both sides. She played both sides and she was trying not to. You can't leak the plan to the enemy. They're meant to be the enemy. Well, you can't if it's not like if, if I'm telling you this much, right? If the vote was Janine, she's not leaking anything. She's letting it happen and voting Janine out.

The problem is sometimes, you can have a friend in the enemy camp. And you are like, well, I want the enemy to go down, but not that one person, because that's my bridge. That's my extra opportunity. Curvy wants David gone. No, I understand that. And I think that it would have been interesting.

If David didn't leave here, what would have happened? Like, if there was an idol played on David and David was safe here and she did vote out David, what would have happened next intrigues me infinitely about Sarah's game? I think it's a tough spot because she wanted to both be outside of the David's shadow, have agency of her own but also kind of did not want David out immediately here which I think is a very fair thing because even if she is an enemy even if she is an enemy on the other side David's the one person on that side that's not going to vote put Sarah's name out there so why would she want him gone I fully get it but I also get she didn't want

to play with that group either yeah which is why she told him she brought up if an idol is around telling me he needs to use it she's completely entitled to want David in the game and to also want to work with Kirby and she tried it she tries it by saying maybe not that maybe we do another vote maybe we do an easy vote she's entitled to want an easy vote because she's in with these different groups however because she's playing with kirby and kirby as kirby other allies would be like sarah your comfort is paramount to me in this first vote we do an easier vote for you which name do you want kirby says no go to the big one you know kirby says no i'm all lies on david at that point now sarah's between a rock and a hard place

and she has to make a choice between the rock and the hard place and she didn't she told the hard place about the, to play the idol while she was trying to vote with the Rock. She's trying to vote incorrectly on purpose. She wants to put David's name down, but have him not go home. It's literally the personification of playing both sides. It's what she ate, doesn't want to do for her game because she's so used to doing it and it blew up in her face the first time. And it's secondly not the right move.

I wish for her that she was in a position where she could keep David, keep the cake and eat it too and keep Kirby. Unfortunately, they are at loggerheads, well, mainly just Kirby. Kirby will not do that. You pick a side, and she did not. and that looks really bad and it's especially bad in her story of the season

when she's like, I want to play loyal, she says the tribal council David's like, are you kidding me? He says in his final words, I was vomiting. What will jurors look at?

Again, how many episodes or days do you have to prove what kind of player you are in this season? Sarah has a bit more of a name to make for herself. She's come and saying she's going to play differently

and she could not be more Sarah 1.0 than she has been tonight. The storytelling at the very least is bad and I also think the gameplay is wrong. You pick a side, unfortunately, and you choose the side and she didn't, she didn't do that tonight. And I love Sarah so much. The choice was made for her, though.

That's it. The choice is her side now. The choice was made. Okay, fine. But if that's the case, if Kirby is not listening to you as an ally and she made her choice for her, don't work with Kirby. Then work with David. Then, like, actively work with David.

But coming to David and saying, I have to work with Kirby, so I'm voting you out. You're not really working with David. And also not really working with Kirby. Like, neither of them are going to like that. I love Sarah so much as a person and as a person. player. I was so happy she finally got content. It was a travesty that she didn't in the first episode. This was not it, though. This was not it, but it was really fun to see Sarah. Sarah, she can't help herself from being who she is, which is someone who always wants to play the

middle. It was so on brand. And I just simply didn't agree with it. But it was still great to, it was so much fun, though. Thank you, Sarah, for your service, because it was entertaining AF. Yeah. Who else? We haven't talked about the worlds at all. Shawnee, I'll talk about probably in the chiszy but johnny i thought was great she had the great read at the tribal council of um you know of well they would only be talking about me she's so right she's played with them before she knows us too well um and johnny flipped from the bottom to the top she's always high on going for david the whole time she's not like petty george revenge she knows that david makes way more sense for her game flips the whole hierarchy george is way too easy a vote like george does what david wants right

david is voting out george so you don't want to again split the majority on their terms it wouldn't even be splitting the majority. You don't want to embolded in David. George becomes, again, expendable later. If you take out David now, who's way more connected, she always sees clearly on that. She's never about the personal vendetta above this move. And she and Kirby, I think, are at the top. So no notes for Shawnee, who I think was, again, perfect in this episode. Yeah, I think without a shadow of a doubt, she was able to maneuver her way out of a tough

situation, which is the most shawnee thing of all time. No one should be doubting her ever. and happy to see that she's in a better spot. I'm excited to see how her game moves now with her being in a power position in this tribe. So we'll see. I have a question for you. And I think I know the answer.

But interestingly, so for George, George is trying to play both sides, which is crazy. It's crazier than Sarah because Sarah actually is in both sides. Like George is kind of in maybe one. And then he's trying to play both. And then he picks the side he shouldn't even pick in David and Luke. but imagine if Luke says Shawnee instead of Janine and now we go back to the re-vote of again George v David

but Shawnee is a swing vote to keep George do we think Sean is like F you! Are you kidding me? I'm working with you after you blindsided me you immediately vote for me. F no, I'm really trying not to swear on this podcast. I'm voting you out because Peter pointed that out and I thought that was really great. I still think not because at the end of the day,

this isn't a vote with George. This is a vote with Kirby in Shawnee's best interest, and she'll know that too. She'll just be even more irritated at George. George hasn't voted with them anyway for Janine, but he honestly brought Jeanine up to all of them. But yeah, it is interesting to think. Do you think that that dooms George,

if he just gets the wrong information from, just a different lie from Luke and votes for Shawnee? And then we go to this three to vote where anyone can be a swing and Shawnee can be like, George, I'm voting you out, okay? Two strikes you're out, you know? um i think that there's definitely a chance there because you know similarly how we talked about george bringing up ratting out kirby to david's face in front of both of them dooms that

relationship to fail i think if they just let her him think shani's the vote and then they voted him anyway i think that immediately on impact burns any goodwill remaining between the two of them and that's that's assuming that that shani clocks that he's the one who voted her in that moment um but i think it would be because she's like well i know my girls and i we voted for david i know those three voted for you they voted together you must have vote for me yeah so i think at that point definitely is possible because shawnee was has been burned by this man already she even says in the premiere episode um you have no right to say whether or not you think we're good because you're the one who burned me not the other way around so i feel like if she's trying to work with him

extending an olive branch and he burns her there i see a world where she does do that um because if he writes your name once now he's already too comfortable it's the first tribal you've been on here and your name is already on his parchment i'm sorry do i expect him to go any other way from here do i expect him to work with me no i've been burned before fool me once fool me twice by voting me here not going to let you do the third time get out right now i think that would make sense also because the other side of things here shannon is if he votes shawnee right and then they vote out David anyway. Now these two are just going to scoop up George

because George is not voting with them and is voting Shawnee. So it's a 3-3 regardless in that situation. And it just comes down to, well, the devil I know try to stab me again. Let me get rid of the devil I know. Maybe the devils I don't know I can work with. Maybe we can figure something out.

And then maybe just maybe I can find my pathway with these other people, not with this wacko who is voting me yet again after saying that he and I are going to be on good terms this season. So it would be very hard, right? And I try to put myself in her shoes. If I am playing a game close with somebody and then they backstab me and then I'm going to show with them again

and they're the one person I've like really been associated with, I'm going to struggle trusting them because they've already said, I don't care how good of friends we were before then. I'm like, well, you already showed that you're willing to do it. So, and I'm not trying to be done by you again twice on television. This time is either I vote you out or someone else gets rid of you. I'm not going to get voted out by you again. I'm not going to let that happen.

I don't want to look stupid. Well, I think the fact that we've even having this debate shows how much Luke should have said Shawnee instead of Janine, for the first reason of it was so unbelievable. It should have been the biggest tip off to George that they would be voting Janine. For the second of, sure, at least fracture George and Johnny if he happens to stay around, you know, don't get, don't make someone vote for someone in your group. is another, like, you know, don't,

Janine's not going to get other votes, but let Shawnee take that one, you know, let her take that heat instead and see how that the votes kind of play out that way. But I don't, I think Shawnee votes out David

while rolling her eyes so hard at George. Like, I think much like how Kirby also has to keep trying to work with George, even though he has said to David in front of her that Kirby is throwing out of thing, they don't want to do it.

They don't want to do it, but I think it's better for their game. If there's going to be another three of not their three, because they're voting this plurality vote, of, you know, it's really them with Sarah. I'd rather it was George, Luke and Janine who've just voted for George.

I would rather it's George who has no one. I would rather it's George over here, David, Luke, and Janine. And he's still expendable later. Like, is it annoying? Yes. Are you rolling your eyes? Yes. Are you giving him the finger while you also vote David?

Yes. But I think that voting David and then flipping it to George would be a little chaotic. I still think David's a bigger threat. I think it's more about furthering your game. Then not that George isn't like a hindrance to Shawnee at the point where he's willing to vote Choni in the first episode and in this reality, has just because he gets a different name from Luke. But I still think David's worth for your game.

He's more connected. He's much more of a threat in this circumstance. So I think she still realizes that she's, again, very switched on. I think she still votes David. But she would be saving George with her vote alone when he just voted for her after blindsiding her the last time they played. And that would be hard to do. I think she would do it, but it would be a tough, tough ask.

Definitely a very tough. for ask. Oh my god, this episode was so good. It was so meaty. Talking about the strategy is literally like my life's passion. Like talking about this strategy of this episode specifically, I've had so much fun. We have not really talked about the worlds before we get to the chizzy. I will say, I will not have an accident interview for this episode.

This person, it will not be available during the airing of the season for an interview. It is David. And I knew that. So I was cheering for the worlds in that. Well, I knew that I knew that I knew that I knew that I didn't have. an ex-interview. I didn't know who that would, I didn't know who I wouldn't have an ex-interview with. So the challenge, I've never been to swim invested in a challenge for you because I was like, God forbid like a Tony goes home and I'm not interviewing Tony. Like I can't, I love David and I hope to

talk to him in his whatever capacity. He's affiliated with the show later on. But I need to interview Tony I never have before. And I was worried for Tony. If it gets to that, I don't know what's happening on worlds. But he put that challenge on his back. He put that he was so impressive from Tony. And I want to say as well that, um, I feel like yesterday I was indicating that, Australia had won two challenges. I think in my mind, because the worlds didn't have Flint, but obviously that's not how the first challenge worked. So this is why were the unofficial.

It was a, yeah, I can make mistakes like that. But I really, really didn't expect, uh, the worlds to win. And I'm so happy that Tony's okay. I'm so happy. They pulled it off. They pulled it off.

I mean, you know, David with the, uh, put it on the backstrat, Tony does the same. Like that was a very key part of the challenge. But it was nice. It was nice to see the world get a W here. It's so interesting to see what the merge breakdown looks like. Because in a weird way, depending on what numbers dwindle, Shannon, we are in a AU versus U.S. versus the world. Like, we really are because there's three U.S. currently, three world, three non-U.S. world.

And then there's six Australians. If two more leave, it's like a four, three, two situation. and then it's anybody's game. So I'm fascinated to see how that goes. As far as the world goes right now, it just feels to me, because I don't get to talk about episode one, but it feels like Parvite's the main character on that side

as of right now. And Ceres right there next to her. Lisa is encompassing everything all of us would do, which is just be like, I cannot believe I'm here with them. how am I am working with Surrey feels are you joking me that is what I want to do and Surrey obviously is like

you can be my Izzy we'll be me and you will rock it together I love this I love this you know the dream you want to be you want to be in this spot absolutely so then so I'd love that I feel like I still don't really know Tommy I still don't

really know Cass and this is someone who hasn't watched their seasons obviously so we'll see how that plays out and then Tony I feel like I don't know what Tony's story currently is or I didn't. What I do know now is that Tony clearly is going to be trying to play more of a Winners at War game than he is trying to play like a Kagyan game, which I think once you've played these shows one too many times, you want to go with the more recent strategy

that worked and the strategy that nailed you $2 million is a great one. Yeah. And so Kagyan was like all over the place. Like it was great, but there was mistakes. whereas Winners of War is a no-note season. Like, he's perfect in that season. I think that Tony is playing down the U.S. connection. Like, he's trying to make the connection with Tommy, which I really liked.

And when he's like, where poverty was coming to me late, I kind of see that as kind of a lie. We know that they've been talking about this U.S. alliance, and he should play it down. There is, like, like, really tangible possible beef between Tote and Poverty. She didn't vote for me to win. She extorted me from the edge. Play that up rather than it being a three, but still be the three. I mean, we hear a possible women's alliance, which is hilarious. because everyone's so scared of the Women's Alliance because of Poverty

what she did, you know, almost 20 years ago, but then poverty's also still doing it, so it's correct. But I do think that the U.S. thing is going to be important for now. And I think that Tony playing that down is good. So hopefully they're okay for a while. Yeah, to me, with the world, with the with the three U.S., the three Americans on this tribe, I feel like their hardest hurdle was getting through that first.

boot, a first vote out. I think for now, um, they're going to be fine in this group. It just, that's how it looks to me. I feel like my read right now is the first casualty of the three would be Tony. Um, just because it looks like Parvin Surrey have just made better connections on this side. I think that if the three of them go to merge, that's anybody's guess how that goes. It just comes down to what is the makeup of the, the Australian side of things and how many of the world are going to still be left. and the ones that are left, how do they feel about everything? Are they going to connect with an Aussie or are they going to stick with them?

So there's a lot of intrigue on the board for me. And, you know, again, them not losing here was a good spot for them. Whereas when we, I truly can tell you this. I do not know who I would predict to leave from this group. I could tell you I would bet the farm on George being the boot on the other tribe. So that tells you all you need to know. I have no idea where things are here. all I know is I feel like

Surrey and poverty are safe for the minute I just don't know how long that minute's going to last I think Tommy's in a tough spot as someone who's not in a possible women's alliance and who isn't being protected by that kind of US contingent although I think that Cass and Lisa would have a lot to say about that I will say I was excited that

you know doing the prep 15 episodes of Survivor Finland I'm like give Tommy the bean back he's good at this stuff and then he immediately hit two I was like all right like okay I did the reason RIP my nerves anytime I don't have a ex-interview which will hopefully not happen because I can't take it

I can't take it. There's too much on the line for me about who's going home if I know I'm not interviewing them so I was very very stressed but should we get to the chizzy? Yes and I'm prepared for it and I have the music ready take it away Jacob Zika Winesy and an MC color All right. Kind of a tough chizzy in some ways. At one point, I really got me. I didn't think anyone deserved it, so I was struggling. I will give my points. Three points to Kirby. Yesterday I said, I said, you know, well, I think they should have voted out poverty over Rob, the worlds. I think that they, you know, for the internationals, not the US. But, you know,

it's so hard to vote poverty first and the pressure and production don't want it, the fans don't want it, the fans don't want it, I bet George thinks about these things. Kirby said, I want the golden god. I want to take out the god tonight. She didn't stutter and it was so impressive. She went for gold

literally. She didn't compromise on it. Was it pretty socially? No. Did she push her allies points past comfort? No. In a 16 game day, sure. She cut off their other options. Now they have to be with Kirby, mostly Sarah. She's in a great part space structurally in this tribe now.

Her and Shawnee have something really great going on. Not socially graceful in terms of the way it was done. It wasn't pretty. It could have blown up, but she got it done. And that's the Kirby way. You do it now. You think about the consequences later. And if it works, how great and often it does.

And I think that three points for Kirby. Two points for Shawnee, who always has the good reads, good instincts. She went from the bottom to the top, put aside any revenge on George. No mistakes here for Shawnee. It was no notes. Perfect. One point I really struggled. I couldn't give it to Sarah.

I didn't like the wishy-washiness at all. I could not give it to George. I couldn't give it to Luke and Janine, who were on the wrong side. Honestly, part of me was like, did David do enough to deserve a memorial jizzy point? But there wasn't enough there. Then on the world, we didn't get a lot. I've given a point to Tony.

One point again, as I did yesterday. Won the challenge of his own back. I like the way he's connecting with Tommy. I do think he's playing down that kind of US group. So I've given him one point here. what about you we have identical threes and twos

it's very hard to debate that like Kirby legitimately is the god killer here and successfully gets that done despite you know giving the opponent the opportunity to fix that because

George leaks that information to him that hey Kirby's the one that did it he knows that and can't do anything about it that's kind of badass you know what i mean that's kind of gangster um shawney gets to similar trajectory to to parv in episode one her name is in rotation so much she receives zero votes after the fact i think there's that is always a good sign of the way you're playing the game and your name is in circulation and no one wants that to be the plan that's kind of golden the one person that would have been willing to want it to be the plan ends up not going that way because

he wasn't told to do that so you're fine um the one is where you know, it can be tough. Now, similar to you, I can whittle down the Australian tribe and say, you know, David left. Janine, no. I don't think Janine is the

points there. George definitely didn't get no points there. Sarah, I could see an argument, but at the end of the day, if she had gone her cake and ate it too, I would have given it to her. She does not get to do that. David does leave. I mean, if she doesn't get three points, to be honest. Yeah.

Right. So David gets that gets gone. So Sarah's points go with her. Now Luke, I just played advocate about how I'm not mad at him keeping an idol and his threat level lowers because David's gone. Yeah. Yeah. Like he has an idol.

No one else knows. He's threat levels lower because one of his alliance mates is gone. Arguably the biggest target alliance mate you could have is gone. So that could be a net positive. I could give it to him. And I'm fighting the urge to give it to someone on the world tribe based on. episode one because that's not what we're here for we're here for episode two you know that's not what we're here yeah what do you mean you know that you're not here to give points on episode

one and the episode two recap boo you're but but you're also you're also giving points to tony which makes no sense i don't think he gets a one point regardless of his own back and and i don't like to put make it about challenges but at a point where everyone strategically has a lot of notes then i'm going to have to start looking at challenges and that was tony i said not have won that I think that I don't love his spot on that anyway. Anyway, that's not the point. That's not the point. So part of me, you know what?

I'm just going to give it to Luke. I'm going to back what I've said about, yeah, about, you know, his spot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the points I make are good for that. I feel like, again, he has an idol. His threat level is lowered a little bit.

All he needs to do is survive into the merge. And it could be anybody's game. And merge can't be that far away with a. 14 person cast 16 day game so he'll get there probably with an idol in his pocket and then let the charisma play out um i think that it's funny because i think when luke played his first game and then he links up with golden god he is the known quantity he is like and then david's kind of like the luke light it's like oh he kind of has similar similarities but he's not as big of a threat because luke is that guy then luke becomes the golden god evolves into the golden god

and now, sorry, David does. Yeah. In a way, is the secondary, but they have very similar traits. Y'all, the golden god, you did. There's another one sitting right here and has an idol and now has lower threat level. So let's see how he plays with that. I think he could be in a good moving position forward. In before he leaves next episode and I'll look stupid.

But right now, I feel good at the point. It's fine. He probably won't leave next episode with his idol. That would be crazy. But the silver god, is that the rise? leaving when they go to tribal. George has to be leaving. If George doesn't leave, I'm going to be surprised.

Well, it wasn't a great episode for George. But maybe this is the rise of the silver god. Maybe this is the revenge arc for David that Luke will have. Yeah, but I think that makes sense if you are high on him. Keeping the idol, he did find the idol in this episode. The only idol found so far. So there's something there. I'm out of the points.

But your points may be stolen, Puyah. In this finale, we have the chisie raffle. I plugged this on the first recap. I gave all that information. We will be raffling off finale Chizzy Points. The winner of the Chizzy Raffle will either steal my points or the recap bitches collective points and the winner will choose which points I'm going to donate. I still need to donate.

I will do it before the episode tonight. I will donate $50. I will get six raffle tickets. And if I win, I will take the recap bitch's points, but I will not rig it for myself. Now, here's how you can donate and be part of the Chizzy Raffle. forever after rescue. info. Donate from there. Internationals can donate as well on Facebook with a credit card on PayPal. You can bank transfer for the Australians. Then email me a receipt of that donation. Shizzy raffle at gmail.com. 10 Australian dollars for one ticket, 25 for three. Get more

and you get, you know, pay for more. You get even more tickets, obviously. The winner will get some of our points for the finale and will be told that weekend of the finale in just under three weeks from now. And they can send in their cheesy points in audio form, written form, video form. That's all in yesterday's podcast. We'll put information on social media. We'll put it in the show notes as well. And I also have events next week, Monday the 25th for episode five in Sydney at Stedlin Hotel from Zach Sinclair with some past players. And then Eden Porter is doing an event in Melbourne. So go to his social media for Monday the 25th. I think they're recording a live podcast after the episode. They're doing trivia and games and everything and watching the episode live

in Melbourne. No exit interview for this episode, as I said. The Rob Exit interview should be up around when this drops. The Chappelle recap from episode one is out. That was really fun. The mic recap is to come. We'll have Rob Cessonino doing a weekly show as well. Follow me as Shannon Gates for all of that. Subscribe to we know global survivor.com so you don't miss any of this. The season is off to an amazing start. We are a fifth of the way through and I think about it all the time because I'm like how. I want to stay in this moment forever. I'm having so much fun. Puyah, this was so much fun. Tell the people where they can find you and then we'll see you.

next week and it's going so fast. It's so sad. At Puyahism on all socials, Twitch.tv.com for me when I'm streaming, not podcasting, but if you're looking for more podcast and talking with Leon every week on the lounge, check that out. Night of Day Fiancé, still going strong. Be there every week for the Hot Mess Express.

And finally, Big Brother season. We're talking all things Big Brother on Friday mornings when I talk about live feeds from the night prior with Taryn. So you can find me there. And also, Trader Season is upon us. I'm about to enter the longest non-trader off season with Ireland premiering in less than two weeks. Annabel and I will be back for that, then Celeb, UK, then Canada, then UK regular, then US. You already know the cycle's going to go.

Yeah. We're going to be on it. And Shannon, you and I will be talking New Zealand again. So that's fun. We'll be getting that when that comes back for season three. Yeah, that's all my plugs. Has Leon has seen this yet? This episode?

She has. Oh my gosh. She must have been dying. Yeah. Kobe, we couldn't have known somehow, even though we were so Kirby. Yeah, no, she's obsessed. She's so happy with how Kirby's doing so far. So I'm happy for her.

Incredible. Well, Kirby did amazing. RIP is a Dondy storyline, which David, I did not expect to go and not make it back to poverty. It obviously had a big impact in episode one. But I will say, I expected it to come out on the mat. Usually the mat chat is so fiery and people are really holding cards close to the vest. but I thought that they would be like

do you know that David was on with Barbary but no one you know everyone's keeping a very congenial on the world tribe whereas on the Australia tribe it is a bloodbath every name pretty much is being thrown out we love the bloodbath we are having so much fun with this season thank you for joining us

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