RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 3 Recap

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss is recapping every episode of Australian Survivor: Australia V World. Tonight, she and Mike discuss the third episode of the week and where the season goes next.

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Try to speak of Australia here for episode. Try it for the adventure of a lifetime. The adventure of a life. Hello everyone and welcome to ITP's coverage of Australian Survivor for Australia the World. I'm your host, Shannon Gus, here for episode three. We got through week one, three of ten episodes. I demand more.

I demand not to be 30% of the way through the season. It's physically painful. But let's talk about some happier things like the episodes, more fun survivor with one of my favorite people in the whole world. It's a great mic with my thank you for being here. Oh my God. Any time. I know that you usually do the blank to my blanket intro as when we're on the pot together.

So I was waiting to hear the box to my key or vice versa. It's been a long day, but I mean, the serri to my Lisa, because I love you so much and I'd give you a kidney and I'd die for you. Listen, vice versa as well. So be, you know, that's the true testament of friendship. People find your person who could be the serri in your life. What a fantastic celebration. I mean, listen, we are releasing this podcast on the day of my 36th birthday. And look, I'm never somebody to do the whole birthday week, birthday month thing, all the power to those who do.

I just, you know, grew up in a certain mindset that I didn't think anyone should be celebrating me on a day, let alone an entire week. But I will say, this is very much pushing against my own mindset, considering that we got an incredible week to start off this season. and not to say expectations were too low here, Shannon, but I think, you know, looking at the short number of days, you know, it's always difficult to think about what a cast chemistry is going to be on paper versus in person, but this has exceeded every single thing I thought going into the season. Even the people that were like saying this is going to be one of the best seasons ever,

I'm like, Alison, I saw Australian Survivor All-Stars, started off strong, 100s in the first half, not going to lie. But, and again, we can get bit in the butt here, but God, just what a sublime way to celebrate this show. And look, it is still going the route of a lot of these All-Star seasons where we have lost three incredibly big players, two of them from a physical perspective, especially in getting rid of two of the most heralded dominant winners in global survivor history and arguably the best person to never win Australian Survivor. but unlike maybe other all-star seasons, it doesn't feel like we're left with still the sort of Stars versus Scrubs cast. I think this cast has proved its worth.

It didn't necessarily need to, but it did wholeheartedly. And while this episode may have been the least epic out of the three, that is still damning with faint praise because there's still so much fun stuff to get into from episode three here. Well, that's why you cast consistent all-star seasons, right?

That's why the worst thing that can happen in an all-star season, is that it's an inconsistent cast because then when the big dogs go, you are left with like, and they always do because it's an obvious disparity. And then you're left with, you know, the B players, the C players. Yeah, and it's not good. And the boot order defines the season. Whereas here, if you're going to have everyone be legendary,

not all on the same scale, but all bring their own element to it in kind of individual ways. And you're always going to have some heartbreak over people going because they're a legend in their own right. but then you're also going to be left with the rest. And then I think if we look at a glass half full of, like, you know, who were left with, which I think a lot of the audiences is kind of able to do. But I think that it's a great, obviously, it's all really, really good. We've lost three men.

And so what, do we have three men left in the whole class? Yeah, Luke. It started with eight and six, right? Yeah. So people aren't going to be mad about that. So I think people are loving this boot order, probably, even though we have lost three legends. Yeah. I'm intrigued, Shannon, because.

we are the ratings are starting to come in up up you know the ratings are up verily over brains versus brawn too and obviously you know we have talked in the past about how channel 10 is in a bit of dire straits at the moment do you think if you know provided that everything goes at least okay with the upcoming season of a you that this might become more of a frequent occurrence it's a winning formula i mean whatever they do they could like if they want to do the short formula. People have said, have this be the schedule where you have like a newbie-ish, right? And maybe like a newbie-ish season for 50-something days or 40-something days. And then have like this short season, this like exhibition match. And that could be anything. Like I love it in

this global match. I would have that every year. But you could do celebrities, which they kind of already do, but bigger celebrities. You could do, you know, US Survivor could do this. You could do, you know, you could just make it like the biggest all-stars. You could just like a clash of reality people like you could just kind of make it that exhibition style thing but we will see it is a winning formula and it has done really well I think so that's that's really wonderful but yeah this episode probably had the least of the three as you said but there was a lot of fun stuff I really liked the tribes interacting so I'm upset that not only are they not going to swap but they're going to have a double boot I don't don't send home the people I love keep them in non-boot

making like Lego Masters where I want people to never go for non-eliminations Shannon in a 16 day season I don't want anyone to be eliminated and they all just get to be best friends so I can see them interact. Like that's what... What a difference of cast makes that you are... You really, like, I don't know if you could look yourself in the mirror would be able to say that, like, yes, I need more non-al...

Honestly, you know, what I would say in response to your other statement, this, you know, translates in a number of ways is I'm a fan of RuPaul's drag race. And what I do worry about, I love this formula and this season has, again, very much out kicked even the concept on paper. I do worry that, you know, if we do, especially make... this an annual thing that the concept might run its course. I do like your idea of not always having to do returning Australian Survivor players.

Again, the thing with Drag Race All-Stars was like, especially its second season, was one of the best cast they've ever assembled, and it was amazing. And Harolded Steel is one of the greatest seasons the show has ever produced. And now they keep doing it every single year. And not only does it feel less special,

but like, we're starting to, with no offense to some of these queens, start really like plumbing the bottom of the barrel of like, All right, well, I guess we haven't seen this first boot play again. Let's get the opportunity to do so. But I also make that comparison because we've had two seasons of Drag Race All-Stars so far that have been non-elimination, that nobody has been eliminated. One season they played for charity, the other one was sort of the Winners at War season, so they didn't want to eliminate everybody.

And fans did not necessarily like that. You know, I'm saying, don't do that. No, don't take what I said. I was making a joke. Please eliminate them. It's not a double. That's not cool. Not a double, that's too quick.

Yeah, but what I will say is, yes, I agree, you know, the tribe cross-pollination has been fantastic to watch, you know, obviously more so the Australians reacting to some of the legends on the world version, not necessarily the other way around, but we lost, you know, one of the major mouthpieces of that point that as Shawnee talked about, George knew their pet's names, their mother's maiden names. Now, maybe that was to try to hack their accounts. and, you know, be able to do a nice case of identity to that.

But maybe George wished he was able to choose another identity considering what's going to befall him in this episode. Yeah, I mean, George was so, it's kind of like Rob. Like, Rob came in playing in a really different speed to everyone else and he was clearly the odd man out. And then they came for that aggressive gameplay. George has been too loud from the beginning. As we said, the match hat has not been heated.

And George loves a heated match chat. Like, George is going to be speaking across the aisle. George is going to be outing secrets. And I was surprised it hadn't happened yet. And we got that here. I will say there was a lot of great moments between mostly George and the internationals. My favorite, by far,

again, tough competition, but I loved when like he jokingly tried to bait Tony by being like, I believe you would kiss, blow me a kiss because Tony had two hands on the bag. And honey very honestly was like, I can't,

I have, don't have hands. Yeah, he was like, that's the point. That's the joke. Why don't you give me a hug? Like,

that's the fun thing too. I think George, George really loves banter. And so I think, you know, he did enjoy that brief window where like, he was able to get shit talked back to after shit talking a lot. And yeah, I mean, you bring up a really good point.

I think we could use this podcast, especially with it being a bit of like, certainly as a step down in terms of the massive amount of hypergaming that's been going on, but to kind of look back on the week, because when we look at trends that have been occurring over these first three episodes, probably sets the pace for what we are to expect over the next seven. And besides even getting rid of, you know, the big threats, as Kirby is going to say, like, who cares about shields? We just all have swords at this point.

Theator style duking it out in the arena. I think that, you know, at least two of the boots that we see in this episode come from the fact that when it comes to this season especially, we're seeing a lot of tigers that are not able to change their stripes. You know, you and Chappelle talked about this a number of times that Rob, Bentley, came in. He only knew one way to play. And that's to like build a sort of cult mentality around us versus them, you know, really trying to strong arm people into feeling some misses that they go on to his side.

And, you know, I think Shawnee vocalizes it really interestingly that even though Heroes versus Villains was technically a half-returny season, by and large, Georgia's playbook works with new players, with people who do not necessarily maybe have their own sort of like sense of security and confidence when it comes to their own gameplay where they feel they can push back against the strong arming that he's able to do. And so what he experienced with this particular group is the fact that like, yeah, listen, with no offense to your jerrys and your mats, like these returnees are not going to take incredibly well to walking up to them and providing an ultimatum or threat depending on how you define it with the Romer Sol variety. I didn't know, there was a little rich coming from Shawnee

when he played with her and blindsided her. But I do think, yeah, I mean, George picked up like a lot of the newbies. It Liz and Matt and Jerry and also got rid of a lot of the newbies, like Fraser, you know, who were like his victims. I think that George was off kilter from the beginning in this season. He came in in such a bad spot. Then kind of worked into what should have been a group. Then he threw that away.

Then he kind of worked like maybe, maybe it could have worked. Maybe if he just laid a little low. And then he threw that away and then he went home. And it was like that was the whole trajectory. But it started low. It had more hope than you'd think. And then it was done. Like if you had told me before the season that an early boot was a,

unanimous george boot i'd be like yes that makes sense if you'd even told me at the end of last episode it's going to be unanimous george boot i'd be like fair yes that makes sense but there was intrigue here for the reason of in terms of leopard's not changing their spots sarah's been sarah ring tough one that one um and she wants to break from shoney so it's not just like okay we have the buffer to take out george may as well and then we'll still be three to two it really pushes, firstly, that this is not a three at all. It's not a three to two. And also it pushes Sarah away from Kirby.

And now I don't know where this tribe says. Like now I think that Luke and Janine have flipped themselves. It's so interesting that in two tribal councils, I thought, Sean was at the bottom. She flipped up. I thought Luke and Janine then were at the bottom. I think they flipped up. I think Luke and Janine are in a great spot now

because I don't know how intentional this is, but this obviously takes out George who is actively targeted. them in a very aggressive way. It keeps in Sarah, obviously, well, no one's saying out Sarah, but it keeps Sarah away from Kirby and it keeps in a big Sarah Shawnee division. The biggest probably of the division is even bigger than say Kirby George would have been, despite the many issues that have happened in the last couple of days, with a very workable ally for them in Sarah who Luke has worked with and always come

back with before. So I think this puts Luke, especially at Luke and Janine, in a really great spot. And that changes everything, even though it was George going. here who kind of could have been a, you know, pretty unanimous vote for everyone. Yeah, I mean, to, I guess, quote somebody who has two hands on two sandbags right now, it's more of an alliance of numbers versus comfort when it came to those three women. And that, you know, what I loved, it was so delicious about the editing

in this episode is when you get the Kirby classic obscured vote, right, where she's basically like, this is to help, you know, is solidify a connection with one of my allies. And that could really go either direction, right? It could have been, I will play Kate Sarah by getting rid of Shawnee, or in this case, it was I will placate Shawnee by getting rid of George. But, yeah, I mean, it very much seems like, you know, if you had Shawnee and Sarah in a room together, it's like that one storyline on Seinfeld with George and Elaine, where it's like, yeah, without Jerry, we don't really know what to talk about. The Phoebe and Chandler. Yeah, exactly. And so

yeah, it's, yeah. Phoebe and Chandler really love each other. But it's fine. Well, yeah, there was one episode where they tried to awkwardly flip. with one another. I don't know if that's happening with Sarah. That's my favorite episode. That's a lot of people's favorite episode. It's a very good one. One of my everyone finds out. Classic. Well, that's the thing is that will Shawnee know that they know

that she knows? Because that's the thing too, is that we get some really fun sound bites towards the end of the episode. We'll get into it with like the post-George aftermath. But, you know, as Shawnee says, she's the one that's going to take the credit at least in the moment for the George Blindside.

Sarah's not going to speak up and be like, well, actually, it was all of us. And Shani's like, including the two votes against me. And Janine's like, yep, sorry, but, you know, can't necessarily hide behind anything when there are six people left on the tribe. But even though, you know, I don't think Sarah really, on the one hand, she didn't have anything directly to do with it by being like, I'm going to, you know, you to vote for Shani. She does get approached with this information. And while she does eventually vote for George, this could be a guilty by association thing where Shani's like, I know that she's close with Loo.

she could have turned the vote on me and she might be able to do it next time. So, yeah, I agree with you, despite the fact that Luke and Janine were essentially antagonized over the course of this entire episode by George. And I don't, we'll get into this with the Chisie.

Like, I don't necessarily know if this is something they actively pursued. You know, Janine has the very incorrect rate of George's got an idol. We got to throw a couple votes on to Shawnee. I do think that they have ended up in a very good, position considering that, you know, this season so far on the Australia tribe has proven

that even the concept of voting blocks are shaky A.F. I'm going to defend the intentionality from Luke and Janine. Firstly, in terms of defending the split, you know, it's unfortunate for Luke who has to go along with it, he knows where the idol is, like he has it. But to give trust Janine and he doesn't want to say that back, he'll do the split. And it does divide them a bit from Shawnee. But again, if they're going to be relying on Sarah, that matters less. Again, they could also use it to be like Sarah told us the name of who the split should be. and try and put that on, which is something Luke just did when he said, oh, George was going to vote for Shawnee.

So I do think, firstly, that's very intentional. And I think that he could do that again. And I get even putting two votes because if I'm Janine and I want to throw one vote because he could have an idol, and George often does. And we haven't seen the idol. David didn't have the idol. So who has the idol in the small group?

It's actually not terrible odds. And then they vote for George. And then it's a one-one. He's voted for, say, Janine. She's voted for Shawnee. And now it's a one-one. So who's voting Janine out? and who's voting Shawnee out. Luke's voting Shawnee out. Kirby's voting Janine out. George is

voting Janine out in this world, obviously. And then it comes down to Sarah to... When Sarah Forrest Rocks, yeah. Yeah. So it's just more comfortable to have two votes there. And I kind of see her being conservative in that. So I don't mind that. I think Luke is very intentional. I think they were both good here. I think, again, like Luke slows that division from the beginning. The way that Luke just uses language compared to some other people this week, George and Rolls. Bentelay, probably chief among them in terms of he, like, you can see him, he stops himself, like when he wants to give George's the vote instead of Shawnee, but he's like, do we think

it's a good idea? Instead of saying, I think it's a good idea, he's like, do we think, what do we, I keep hearing someone saying, and then, but it's you, but it's fine, and people are into it, and Kobe jumps on that. So I think stuff like that is really good. I like how he's, you know, the way he reasoned with it, which did make sense. Like, if we take out George and we merge soon and don't go to another tribal, which was a fine bet, will be more united. like he had good reasons. I think there was a lot of good stuff for Luke. And to Luke's extreme credit,

I argued on the podcast yesterday that I didn't like him not using the idol for David. But Luke is crafty. And again, like Luke can be good at not seeming that intentional, but he's thinking. And now he's kept his idol, which he seems like pretty blindsided by the David thing. He wasn't going to play the idol.

But he didn't play the idol. He has his idol. Now he's in a great spot. And I think he worked for it. And he took out a person who, again, it wasn't like what between say like Lisa was like in the first episode where it was bad ally Rob. and like better ally path and like maybe in a shorter game that matters less.

This was like workable Shawnee and George who is like not an option. Like George is so done that you have to take out the person who's aggressively pursuing you like that. So I think this was great. I think it was great in the decision. I think it was great in the way that he and Genev and mostly Luke went about it. And I don't have a lot of notes. I love the idea, by the way. And hopefully Cass will do the same that Luke has not told.

in Janine about the idol because I think that, you know, there's a lot of conservative fear that can be baked into small tribes. And I think that, you know, had he told Janine earlier in the day, because we certainly have seen that situation, right? We're like, a few people will end up at the bottom. And they're like, okay, well, don't worry, I have an idol. So we can work together to engineer something. But again, we talk about the B.B. Chandler comparison. That's a little bit of Luke and Janine as well. We're like, yes, they technically were all in the same season, but David seemed to have the much tighter relationship with Janine. I don't think so. I mean, Luke, did they just have a, they had a conversation to start

the episode where they're like, all right, I guess we're working together. No, that's not how I like, I think obviously Luke and David are Luke and David. But I think that it's always been Luke and Jeanine above David and Janine. Like, Janine blindsided Luke and then worked, I mean, David, she blindsided David and then worked with Luke. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm taking He loved that. Luke says at the beginning of the episode, like, all right, I guess Janine and I are locked into each other, which I took to mean like, okay, now this is like formally solidified as a two-sum. But I think even if he did tell her, hey, I have this idol, you know, if she takes George's ultimatum a certain way, she could very easily be like, all right, listen, I will force this, you know, I'll flip on Luke because guess what, he has an idol, you know, she could easily out that information. Anyone flip on anyone at this point. Exactly. She is in desperation, and I feel like, even. even if he tells her, they're like, don't worry, she doesn't have the idol, I do. I don't know, we saw this even with, like, Card and AJ, right?

That, like, if you reveal this information to somebody in a very vulnerable moment, they might take it a certain way. And I think, especially from Luke's perspective, he just experienced having his legs cut out from under him, his closest ally, gone in an instant with him, none the wiser. I think he very much is like, I have to hang on to this thing when I know that I am in danger. and if I tell anyone about it, it's going to put me even more in danger. But I think you bring up some good points

as to like what they were able to take advantage of, right? That they were not the ones initially floating this out. This is very clearly a Shawnee idea. And what did you make of that? You know, Shawnee is, Shawnee's going to go with the revenge

plot here. I personally think that's much more a TV thing than a strategic thing. I think there are strategic merits for her to get rid of George that she just dressed up as This is all about revenge, baby, I guess, to quote, you know, a theme that might be occurring in a future Australian Survivor season. I'm Chris Hadfield. I'm an astronaut, an author, a citizen of planet Earth. Join me for a six-part journey into the systems that power the world. Real conversations with real people who are shaping the future of energy. No politics, no empty talk. Just solutions-focused conversations on the challenge.

we must overcome and the possibilities that lie ahead. This is on energy. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, and also just to backtrack on the split for Janine. So, yeah, so the best case in her for her is a tie because Kobe's not voting out Shawnee and George isn't voting out Shawnee. And then it's Sarah not going with Kirby to force a tie, which is highly unlikely based on everything Sarah has done so far.

So you've got to put the two votes on. So I actually think that that was like, it wasn't egregious, I don't think. It was conservative, but it made sense. in terms of Shawnee it's hard because there's two different things going on here like if Sarah is with Shawnee and I kind of think like Shawnee must assume Sarah is like I was really shocked by this

I was like you're in an alliance and Sarah's like no no like that's a friend of a friend like that's very much you know the channel to my Phoebe and I like even more so that's like Gunther to me you know like that's like completely gone so it's like

well she does serve a bunch like Gunther yeah well yes that's true um so if if sarah is with them then this is fine you know george was looking to come for her he was going to vote for her it's very much fool me once full me twice you know like how much can you really trust george and she gets the revenge i loved her content around like is it going to be like stevie never getting me is it going to be sue's big move which they this is this is wild to me that of all people if you had to you know guess before the season. Who's going to be the most

med a contestant on Australia's Australia versus the world? Yeah, exactly. Like, Shawnee? Shawnee would be the one making the most in-house references on Australia versus the world. But I love that.

That is like maybe one of the deepest cuts we've ever heard in terms of references on Australian Survivor. She quoted a meme, which was amazing. But I do think that, yeah, so if she's going to be with, if they're going to come back to that 3-2 on Luke and Janine and be united,

because it seems like she could have worked with Luke and Janine. going into a possible merge. I think that's a great spot. The issue is, with Sarah coming for her? Like, that's a more desperate situation. Now, she can't take out Sarah because Luke's not doing that, Gene's not doing that,

Kobe's not doing that, son. If I was Shawnee and I knew about Sarah, which she doesn't, I think I would rather take out an ally or a possible option for Sarah in a Luke or Janine. Now, how possible is that probably not? Because Kobe wants George,

Sarah wants her Luca Janine want George and she'd need to be working with George, Sarah and Kirby or some combination of that to take out Luke and Janine Sarah's not going to want to do that

Kirby thinks like she has bigger fish to fry George is doing it just George but I think like in a world where she knows that Sarah is actually a bigger issue for her than George then like you try to weaken that because Sarah has allies, Sarah has options, George is weakened

it's not that he didn't try to come for you, but he actually seems kind of back all in with Shawnee. You're sleeping with one eye open. I'm not saying it's the best case scenario, but it kind of feels like she actually has bigger issues than George, but A, she doesn't know it. And B, even if she did, I don't think there's anything she could do about it. So I do not think Johnny's in a good spot.

I could see Shawnee going home next. I could see Sarah now being pushed to Luke and Janine, but maybe not far enough to take out of Kirby and taking out of Shawnee next time, if George is kept in and she's somehow willing to, or able to get rid of, say, a Janine or a Luke, then maybe she has George, and then maybe she has definitely has Kobe.

So then she's fine. But I just don't think she knew to achieve that. I don't think she could have achieved that. I actually think she was relying on George more than she knew to be. And now she's kind of lost what actually seemed like could have been an option for her in George, which is highly insane. But I do think we got to that point. I agree with it to a certain extent.

I mean, you know, hopefully you'll get the chance to talk with George and really clarify, like, did he have plans on going with Shawnee today? And I would imagine so, just because I think he feels that... Not to the end, just like to the merge in like... And I think that's where her concern is, to your point about fool me once, fool me choice. And I think actually a large indicator of why this George vote happened when it did the way it did is because the thought of an upcoming merge.

This is a case where really your reputation precedes you as a returning player. And George is going to be able to talk up the positive aspects of that of like, hey, listen, twice before, we're probably going to come to the merge down in numbers. I was able to turn this around. be able to corral people to my side from the opposition and then be able to have our group make its way to the end don't you want me there and yes I agree it's like a fantastic spin for him to make

as was pointed out A he was not the only person to do this as you know Luke has pretty much done this twice and B it does also mean like you were able to take your group to the end the question is who is in your group you know as you mentioned it was not going to be okay here are the vision Angelantes were going to be in the final seven.

Like, no, there were certainly shots that were taken from George's perspective, one of them being Shawnee. And the other idea is, again, if you look at what George is doing during these challenges, he is very clearly trying to make connections with the other tribe. And so I think there is an inherent built-in worry there that, like, yes, in this moment, George really wants to work with me. And I think he would want to honor that to a certain extent. On the other hand, what are the chances that when we get to emerge,

He pulls over a Tony, a Parvety, a Surrey, and says, like, I'm your biggest fans. I want to work with you. Screw the Australians. I'm the one that's being turncoat here. Because, again, that's also something he's done before. Yeah, but George doesn't have a group to do that. And that, it itself makes them less important to take out. You know what I mean?

Like, even if he's not with you, what is George doing? Like, his game has been gutted from the beginning. Like, I feel like he's always a good buffer at the very least, possibly to kind of push him there. And yeah, I feel like he's just like on an island and has no one there, like literally. So I don't know what he can really do to Johnny at this point. And even on the other side, like who is buying what George is selling? Lisa called him insufferable. Like, do you think Pava's enjoying it? Like, I know he's trying, but it feels like people were not picking up what he was putting down really. Like he just doesn't seem like that much of a threat.

I think what Sarah has going on is more threatening because she has like active numbers, but Johnny doesn't know that Sarah is against her. But I do think with George, the way he's able to put these groups together and then win is George needs space and numbers. I think we've probably said before, like George wouldn't know what to do with the new era. And we've kind of seen that here, right? Like we saw George needs to be able to go to two people and be so offensive in Luke and Janine and still have enough options.

You know what I mean? Like he needs to have enemies but then find the odd friend. That's it is that he's able to, I think, be so public about like, here's who I'm against. So therefore inferring that I'm with you, right? Like I didn't call you out. So therefore, you're not my enemy. I'm against Simon. So work with me, you know, that was the whole big pitch he makes to Stevie in that infamous episode

seven tribal council's like, look what Simon's going to do to you. I'm against Simon. You should be against Simon. The enemy and my enemy is my friend. It doesn't necessarily work here. I think, A, because again, people are not necessarily loving the way that he is doing this, right? The fact that he does start this episode by being like, I trust you all, thank you all for protecting me. You know, I'm willing to sort of like sit back and do whatever you all want to do. And then proceeds to, you know, hours later be like, all right, so here's the plan. We're going to split two to you, and then I'm going to approach Luke and Janine and force them to vote against one another, which again is sort of like a greatest hit, right?

This is what he was able to do with the episode seven tribal council of being like, hey, if you don't do this, then this is going to happen to you. And again, depending on the chemistry of the people you're with, and especially in that moment, you're able to make it happen. George did have an idol that he was able to brandish as well. Not so much in this case. The only cudgely had to wield on the moment was like, I have the numbers. And as you mentioned, that was not necessarily the case as much as it has been in the past.

Yeah, and in Georgia's defense to what I just said, like, he, the episode seven tribal council was in a small seven person group. He definitely plays great in end games, but he's done these, like, wonderful plurality votes, you know, at a final four with a two-one, at a final five or the two-two-one, like, he's done some fun stuff in small numbers. But I do think that Georgia's, especially maybe in the early game, that type of like me, V, or like, at least in an early merge, it does benefit from the space of Australian Survivor. like if you look at the brains tribe like eight people on that tribe hated him but he was still able to find you know there was enough people that even when that's true and it's more people than this whole tribe he still finds a car and abated and then haley's going to help him out so i think he needed he needed to find a number he never did and he burned every bridge except really sarah i mean luke and jean it speaks for itself i'm like at the very least this is

terrible from a networking perspective like don't talk to jean like that personally in the game or professionally like that's going to say i don't i think there's a photo of george up in every boost juice juice shop across Australia and says please do not sell to this man because good Lord and that's interesting as well is that maybe it's the fact that he was trying to create this working relationship with Luke that was like incredibly

acrimonious where he was basically like okay Luke yeah you're really going to prove this but still it was very much like him trying to come in on his high horse of like well Luke you burned me before but you're going to have to listen to be here and maybe you know I will be even yeah sure

exactly the the slate will be wiped clean but I think that the way he went after Janine did feel very understandably targeted maybe he thought he could while her up more maybe it was again to be like I'm not coming after you Luke this is why I'm not throwing you under the bus as much as Janine though it's interesting right because he voted for Luke right he was on the Luke and the slip up despite Janine being like well he's obviously voting for me yeah well he thought that that Janine would go because his understanding was Luke would vote for jean and jadeen said she would never do that I think speaking to the close which is also very fun that he tried to manufacture a three to one and left on his own

three two one yeah and also sarah was trying to get a different three two one yeah a lot going on here a lot in homage to again dan is that we yes there this was again the least amount of complicated strategy but this was you know two different three two ones possibly happening at once this was a split but sarah was trying to do an actual three two one she was trying to jump on jean's split and that would have been very very fun so i admire that she was trying to do that but yeah i mean with with george like obviously you can't cut off options like that. Even if Luke is the one who burned George,

and he did, right? Like, George was trying too much with Luke and David and only felt pain from that. But you have to build bridges. You have to build false bridges in a game with so few people where you can't just cut off options like that. So the way he was acting towards Janine and Luke

certainly did not injure himself to them. Kirby, he had the most insane conversation in Survivor history, like a day prior. where he threw her name under the bus. Shawnee speaks for itself. So it was like, where is a friend here? So, and a lot of that was self-made. But to be honest, he ran out of options.

Like, last episode went so badly that he never should have been able to come back from that, I think. And then he kind of maybe could have because Sarah had like her own agenda going on. But then he made himself like an unavoidable target again. He was so loud. He was talking to the other tribe. It's not a wall for flower, George. Well, that's the thing is that like George, George is somebody who, We'll be on a road trip and is like, I've had my turn driving, let's pull over, you know, if you want to take a turn.

But then, like, he'll be in the passenger scene and be like, okay, pass that card there. You know, that like, he'll say, I don't need to necessarily have the steering wheel in front of me, but also, like, you should be driving this particular way. And again, I agree that I think had he sort of, like, calm down a bit here and maybe tried to feel out what Sarah was trying to do, like, there's a chance he could say, hey, Shawnee is an option for me. but like, listen, I'm more than happy to make this happen. But again, I think because he had this sort of, I wouldn't even say vendetta, because I don't know how like emotionally charged this was

as much as it was, as we mentioned before, like publicly declaring an enemy as a tactic. But because he went so all in from that the, you know, hours after tribal council is like, all right, Luke and Janine are the enemies now. It didn't give him a lot to work with. We're like, you know, I think if Sarah had approached him with the Shawnee plan,

there would have been a chance that he's like, yeah, but I did publicly say that Luke and Genean were my enemy, so I have to go with that. George is a big narrative person, right? He talked about this all the time when you two were covering Survivor UK. And so I think there was a part of him

that kind of had this story stuck in his head of what he had to do next. And as a result, you know, it unfortunately led to a bad thing. I mean, it's pretty wild that like George, who has been able to whip together

some pretty miraculous votes in seasons past, leaves the game being 0 for 2 in voting with the majority and being in on the vote. And that's pretty dang wild. And maybe to your point shows like this alternate universe where in Brains versus Bron one, if Cara doesn't play an idol on him and there's no non-eimination that like this could have been the outcome for George in his very first survivor season. This was not his season.

This was not his game. Like the Brains 1.0 Beach was not his game. And then it flipped and it's been his game ever since he's not been out of vote since then. and as you said, he has been here twice. It was kind of funny that he came back so much like he'd won. Like he voted alone and then was like, we did it. Like, who did it? Three people would technically against what could have been a majority from David's group.

Like he picked David and Luke and they lost. David went home. Like you were in the losing group, but then also what happened was David's group didn't pick you. So it was like both didn't pick you. So that's actually why David went home. Like he could have been in a four, but against Shawnee with David and David didn't trust him. So I don't know why he came.

back like we did it like we took out David like we took out David you were listening to Luke like you were completely you were talking to David a tribal council you were in their ear why did you assume you with this group and it honestly like still maybe could have worked again because Sarah wanted to take out Johnny like he might have still floated by but I don't know why he was like oh we're a majority against two people and they'll split on each other like we did it Joe it was in that narrative like yeah who else was like in that narrative of this majority and this minority like I don't know I think maybe like Kirby and Shawnee were thinking they were with Sarah

but I don't think that they thought like with George. I think this is the fault. We did it. So let's talk about Sarah here because yeah, she was when she's approached with the idea of at least Janine saying like I'm going to throw a vote onto Shawnee just because I think you provide some very sound reasoning

as to why it had to be two votes instead of one that forcing a tie would not actually be like the ideal outcome to keep Janine in the game. Do you think she should have gone? Yeah, because no one actually won Seanie out. So it's not great to tie with Shawnee because Kobe's not doing that and George isn't doing that so people don't want Shawnee out of the game

enough to win on a re-vote where four people are voting. So I guess the question is, would the possible social expense of like Sarah's gone rogue, gets rid of Shawnee, which again, like even Luke and Janine didn't want to do first and foremost, it was more so a security and she took advantage of that,

does that outweigh the benefits from her perspective of getting rid of this person that she thinks thinks about her, right, that she's a shady lady who's flipping all over the place. I think Sarah should take out, she'd go for Shawnee. Like, I think that's fine. Because Sarah has been in the middle of these groups and can benefit from taking out people she works less well with. Like, if you look at the tribe, if Shawnee goes, she has George as a buffer.

Also, George hasn't burnt her, which is rare, which is the only person in those groups that George hasn't burned. To be, yeah, to be fair, it's been like four days in the game, but that's still four days. is too many for George to not burn somebody. Yeah, no, she's the only one. So she's unscathed, which is, I think so, right? George burned Sarah? No, I don't think so. So yeah, that's good.

And then Sarah's still close with Kirby. And then she's got Luke and Janina's options and she's worked again with Luke. She's come back with Luke many times in their previous season. That's a good looking try for her. And she, for some reason, I don't know how it got to this point. That's going to be my first question for whenever I speak to Shoney and Sarah, hopefully in a long, long time. How did this happen?

Like, why is it so bad? with Sarah and Shawnee. But my issue with Sarah is, like, while I think that that makes sense, like last time I also thought it made sense for her to want David and to say name and for her to want to vote with Kirby and David, I'm like, that makes sense you, but you don't have the capital to make it happen. And here it happens again.

Really what I think is going on is that Kirby and Sarah are not good allies in that they both had two, like they're in their number twos for each other. Like their top two people are each other And then the other person's biggest ops You know what I mean? Like Sarah's top person is Kirby And David, who Kirby wants out the most And Kobe's top two people are Sarah

And Shawnee, who Sarah wants out the most That's a very unfortunate situation to be it And clearly, Kirby's like a stronger personality Who's going to get her way. So this is like ripping at the seams. I think that what Sarah has wanted for her game has made sense. But I just think that it's undoable

in the position that she's been put in here where working with Kirby is actually across purposes from what she wants. They are two allies who are not in lockstep and who want like completely different things. Yeah, what I think is so interesting is that I think to watch, again, for everyone that's so regimented in their gameplay, sometimes to their detriment.

I mean, we could also talk about Kirby, like Kirby's kind of playing the Kirby game that she knows as well where you have that quote that's so great where Sarah's like, George can be a shield and Kirby's like, screw shield. Like that's also kind of the way Kirby has always operated. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think she's ever really played with this meat shield strategy to

her. No one was a shield for Kirby and Titan's Rebels. She was her own shield. And week after week, we're like, how is she being protected here? But I think that Sarah, as she mentioned last episode, I think really try and wanted to change up this reputation of like, not even necessarily being a flip-flopper, but kind of like having

her hands in a bunch of different pots of like working with so many different people. And if you're working with everyone, you're working with no one. But I think that she comes into this deal with kind of the devil in the form of Kirby under the guise of like, I do a favor for you, you do a favor for me. Like, okay, I was able to flip on David.

And granted, part of that was, you know, something that she wanted to do, but she very much was vocalizing, I do this to cement my loyalty to Kirby. And Kirby does say that she wants this to be personified as a two-way street. And it doesn't necessarily look to be one. So on the one hand, I do think that Sarah is getting this sense of,

okay, I have a feeling that working with Kirby is not great because even if, almost like in a George sense, even if she claims that she wants to do something to help me, she's not listening to me. On the other hand, I can imagine there's a moment at least in this vote, and now I do think, you say that Shawnee's in trouble. I think Kirby's in the most trouble. Maybe we'll get inside a little bit.

But I think that she's feeling reticent, at least in this moment, of being that Sarah. You know, of being that girl I knew you would, to quote a Drag Race All-Star season of like, if I flip in this moment and take out Shawnee, then I'm just back to where I was before of the person who's now working with everybody

and therefore a Michelle Dugan's going to come along and pick me off unanimously. And so maybe there is this idea that like this fantastical element in her head of like, okay, I do not want to do this at this moment, but like let me still showcase my loyalty right here to Kirby and not go over the top and really

have me become the tallest possible. be in the tribe by kind of single-handedly determining that Shawnee goes, especially right before a merge. But I do, I do think this is like a very tenuous wallpapering over a larger hole in the wall. But I think as we saw the next time on is maybe recent, as soon as next round where we know they're going to tribal council, it could be a like, all right, I, yeah, I can't make this happen. We know that merge is coming up. I think it's time that, you know, I stick with the side at this point and the side will not be the side that I'm currently with. also she doesn't know that she can literally be the difference because she doesn't know that she thinks they would just be a two yeah yeah so she actually needs kirby's vote like last episode she was the actual swing and she went to kirby for a vote that they didn't need because she wanted to work with kirby i think that pushing it to here if she was that swing vote again i think maybe she does do it because i think she's getting that frustrated and wanting to actually take agency in her game but here she's very stuck because she's playing kirby's game kirby again has all the power to make this decision which is crazy by the way she has so much power she's so cool

I just want to be Kirby but yeah like we can talk about the decision but literally she does need she thinks that they're jumping onto a three two one she can't do it alone so she actually asked Kirby and I feel like Kirby was like

I hold the card you hold the cards last episode and you made the decision for me thank you I hold the cards this episode and I'll make the decision for me it's going great for me but as we said last episode she's pushed her allies

past the point of comfort and that might be a concern for Kirby she gets it done and she worries about it later now might be the time to worry now it might have actually caught up with her but i think with kirby she's in a very tough spot this is really tough and i don't know what it's such a tweena for kirby because i'm like you really can't let shonnie go long term you want shonnie in the game they've had the secret alliance from the beginning it feels like a very important bond for her like just giving it up just because

sarah wants to i can see why she's like no like that's my other number right like it's hard to know who the actual right or die is because like sarah's her right or die but shonnie's like the secret right or die like it feels like they're both really which is not so secret that seems like from the way sarah's kind of personifying it well she knows that they're in a three now so she's she's felt like it's her and kirby and this is actually surprised her that shonnie's so much in there but we know that they've had a bond from the beginning but i think as well now unfortunately this looks bad because in a world where she votes out shonnie here she keeps sarah with her she has George was a buffer as a buffer

like who is voting out Kirby in that group like Sarah is not because she's not angry. George is the buffer and you might not go to tribal council but if you do I feel like she's not going home whereas now if Sarah's mad she goes to Luke and Janine and they vote out they could vote

out Kirby or Shawnee like how mad is Sarah is she mad at like I still want to vote out Shawnee or she mad at Kirby so much that it could be Kirby. Now if they wanted to vote out Shawnee could it even be done because George isn't doing it. This is what's so interesting is like even if Kirby said yes it would have to be on the split.

That's right. Okay. So yeah, they could have done it. So yeah. So it's because they obviously want George. But yeah, so she could have done it. So yeah, and she made the decision. Kirby makes the full decision not to do that.

And like, I can't really blame her. I think long term it's better. I think short term I'm very concerned. That's the thing. And that's, again, the way that Kirby has played, right? Is that we came back after basically every episode of Titans versus Rebels being like, I cannot believe she is making this move.

She's putting herself way out in front. And again, she was able to have that work to her benefit, basically the entirety until people really caught on to her game towards the end. And then she had to kind of like challenge beast her way into the final five. But here, I mean, when you come back from tribal council and everyone is approaching you and is like, you're the best player here right now. Look what you were able to do. You toppled the golden god.

That is not great. especially when if you were sort of promoting this culture within your own tribe of like screw shields get rid of the big players that's the primary concern she is despite being one of the least connected going into this season period one of the biggest threats on that tribe and so i very much think that if luke and janina are in the power you know the cap bird capard seat here next episode and they're like between kirby and shawnee it's 100% kirpy in my opinion considering what she was able to do with people she didn't know from a hole in the wall But Sarah's upset. Let's just talk about it, Sarah. Before we get really, I mean, look, it's not a good option either way. Let's be honest. Let's not do a double boot. Let's go to some sort of merge.

Anyway, whatever. They're going to go to tribal council. They're both going to tribal council. Is it, well, I think that George should have gone. I'll do Shawnee next. Please don't foot me out. Like, is this the part where she has to actually push Johnny under the bus. But it's like, I'll try to keep Shawnee.

If we don't go to tribal council again, which is a very big consideration, they could merge now. They could not, you know, lose a challenge. Now, we know it's a double-bub, but they don't know that. Then I've kept Shawnee. But if it comes down to it and it puts me in a worse spot and Sarah's so mad and she wants to go back to old allies, I still can say, I am now willing to do what you want. For the first time, you call the shot, Sarah.

You still get to be allies. And now I'll push Shawnee under the bus and then we can go to the merge. Like, that still is an option for her. How much can you rectify the situation? Yes, but I think, and this is maybe something that has been kind of under-established, but I have to imagine as kind of like a beat drumming

throughout this Australia tribe dynamic is the fact that like Shawnee does have at least some sort of form of relationship with a Luke with the Janine, right? Like I feel like alumni talk all the time about like closely associating with the people that have played not in your season but around your seasons.

You know, they end up playing the year after Shawnee does, you know, they're not both a part of all-stars, but obviously they're part of the side of Shawnee. And to be fair, so far... So, Shawnee Samway. Yeah, exactly. And to be fair, Shawnee has not taken a shot

against either one of them so far. She voted out David and she could have another axe to grind there, much like she did with the George narrative of like, hey, he helped get me out of all stars, so now I'm going to return the favor. So so far she hasn't taken direct shot in either one of them. She's more so maybe she could again put forward this

narrative of like, I'm getting revenge against these two guys that took me out in my earlier seasons. So you would have to like take a shot, right? This would not necessarily feel like some sort of return fire of like, oh my God, she's gunning for me. as opposed to, again, Kirby, who is very loosely connected and, again, presents herself as big game hunting. If I'm a Luke, I think I'd be much more in fear of a Kirby than a Shawnee any day of the week by her just being so public with that, with that motto.

But in saying that, they just voted against Shawnee. They just split on her. So that might be a divide. They came together as a four now where they were talking about that split, which they could do again, especially now that they have split on Shawnee. and Luke knows Kirby from life. So that, like, he literally is friends, like he literally is the only person she came and actually having a relationship with

and that's not played out other than a short conversation about like, Luke, would you turn on David? And he's like, no. And it went that far. But I still do think there's a working relationship with Kirby as much as there's as long with Shawnee and probably more.

Also because Kirby's amazing. Everyone who meets Kirby just wants to work with her so much. Not that's untrue of Shawnee, but like, we're talking about two of the best social players in the game here. So I think Kirby could do that. I think Kirby could say, I'm very sorry. George had to go, but next is Shawnee, if we go to tribal.

And then if they do, they do go to tribal, then throw Shawnee out of the bus. It's not pretty, but we got through it. So I think that there's something there for Kirby. But do you have more on this tribe? Or should we go to the world? I don't think so. I mean, what did you make of sort of like George on the way out here? I mean, again, a very humorous final couple of minutes here with the back and forth of, you know,

Sarah declaring that it was everybody and then Shawnee being like oh who the hell voted for me and her nicest Rupert impression possible you know JLP for completely forgetting one of Luke's branded nicknames by being like aha I've got the perfect soundbite that was brilliant

that was so fun because it was like there's never just one king like you know that in this in this tribe of even just the two men left they were both called kings welcome to Australian Survivor like you should have known that exactly it's like come on all the guys that you brought back for this tribe

had some sort of preconceived nickname going into it. But I loved Luke being like, what the hell, man? Come on, I was the first one to kill myself a king nickname here. And that's also fun and that connected to the odd post credits vote that we got in episode two, right, where Luke makes this very incorrect vote being like, there's only one king here, the once in future king. And now he was able to finally come through on that.

But George, you know, very publicly doing the Omer Marianne thing of like, was it you? Shawnee's saying it was. I mean, again, there's a lot of things that can be said about George. But, you know, as much as we might talk about, we don't need to necessarily be, everyone be so kumbaya when their dreams

get dashed and they're voted out. Like, it is fun to see that George is so in love with this game that, like, he will very easily be like, yep, good for you for getting rid of me. Listen, I'm the guy that made Survivor, Australian Survivor, make the New York Times list. Like, you were right to do so, no harm, no foul.

And it goes to show that maybe Shawnee in that moment, A, felt like she made the right decision. But B, as we talked about, could also be almost a Kirby-esque moment coming out of this vote where it's like, look, what Shawnee was able to accomplish. What else could she do? Which is so funny because Shawnee's getting split on in her own vote. Like, she's getting the credit for it. But if anything, it's between her and George and she's getting, she's on the split. Like, it's a defensive vote. But I think more than she realizes because she has this big blind spot of Sarah, it's really Kirby.

who's making the decision here to take out George. And it's really jumping on Luke and Janine being like enough of you. And like there was like, you know, George, George goes big and goes home. Like he's going to say to Janine, like, well, find a way out of it. She's like, I'm voting you out. So I have found a way. Look, you know, he gave him a lot of sound bites to bury him and they did. I still think, you know, I did like his final words.

He's done so much for the franchise that is not untrue. I think he did take it pretty global. I think maybe we're here, though, maybe because of Russell, right? Right? Like they brought in Russell. Hard to think about that. There's not to. But yeah, they brought it. I mean, well, then it went so badly with Russell. If anything, Russell probably almost doomed this.

And then they were going to kind of get Boston Robb. There's always been the rumor. And then they got Sandra. Maybe it's Sandra who did this. But whoever it was, there's been that thread there. But George has done a lot for the global recognition of the show. It was funny how he was like, I beat David. You know, I love George.

Was it a great outing, not his best? But, you know, he was very. very memorable. Yeah, what did you make about the edit here? Because honestly, and there may be worse some nuances, he, again, is able to survive last travel counsel. It really does seem like the edit was clowning on him a lot to the point where

Yeah, his shot did. I was going to text from people, like, this is the first time I've ever watched. Brandon Donlin text me, he's like, does George always get a dodo edit? I'm like, that's what he asked me as well. And what I told him is like, especially in Brains versus Braun, it was definitely there. It's just that we were sort of waiting.

or at least we didn't realize in retrospect that he would be able to pick up those tailwinds and fly his way into the final two so I think that even in the moment I'm like this is a, we're poured it on a little thick maybe part of it is because his opposition was David who was also very very hammy in confessionals and so he's

really saying like this absolute moron look what he's doing but when your intro shot is you getting hit in the face with the Australian flag like it definitely is going in on George more than it has in previous seasons. Grancy, George was staring into the curve a bit, you know,

complete with the dad bod of it all, the budgy smugglers. I don't think production was pushing that onto him. But again, it's so interesting looking at this bizarro universe where like, it's as if it was that Brain versus Braun edit, but he's not able to gain momentum and, you know, make his way to the end in such a commanding fashion. It's more so like, yeah, he's one of these classic people who thinks they're out in front controlling everything, but they kind of bumble their way through a couple

of tribal councils before getting voted off. It's four things, a three that you've said. Like, it does go badly, one. He's leaning into it, and they're helping him do that, too. He's against David, who's always going to be the golden god, who gets a glowing edit, even being first boot of this tribe. To be there, David, to not do that badly at all. Well, now we know in retrospect, that might have happened as well.

We can say that he's going to be the host of the show, which is not something I've technically known in recording the podcast before tonight. Yeah, so I think that's true. He's going against a future host of the show. So that actually shows how uneven that will be. And that also leads to the fourth thing, which is it's extreme because the Strand Survival will always be extreme. They're never going to like, you know, pepper this stuff in. It's always going to be the most.

So I do think for George, it was kind of like a, you know, like it all kind of went wrong at the same time to get to that point. But I wouldn't want to go against the future host of the show and be on the edit of that. Like that is an agenda. But I do think like also a lot of it was actually there. And then he was actually doing a lot of it. Yeah. Yeah. I will also say, sorry, before we move.

move on to world. I do want to say as well that, you know, David will obviously very publicly declare his retirement from Australian Survivor on the way out. I think George has the exact opposite mindset. Like this guy, I think very much like lives and breathes this type of stuff that I think he's going to come back any and every time that he wants to. So I think that, you know, maybe we'll check in with each of these Aussies that are booted as like, okay, what are their chances? What's their desire to come back and play again? I think George and David are on two very opposite sides of the spectrum. Yeah.

Yeah, I do agree with that. I think, well, let's talk about worlds. Firstly, I will give some credit to poverty, some discredit to Tony, and then some discredit to me. Like, I thought this was going better for Tony. I thought that the U.S. people were more connected. And now we see it's like a full on women's alliance that's really bad for Tony. He's very much on the outside of this whole key hunt.

That's a lot of their content in this episode. Which is wild, right? You think that, like, Tony, the master of the scavenger hunt. ends up getting outbid here. Yeah, which is unfortunate for the Tony stands. But Parv is doing what she does best, which is also great for the Parvity stands. This is being part of the season.

It's like, I want Tony to find it. I want Parvety to find it. Poverty, I really loved her consolidating with the key. Forming a Black Widder Brigade, that's so poverty. Lisa was so cute here. Can we talk about this? Like, why didn't we not think beforehand that this would not come to fruition?

Like, obviously, I think the Lisa's Surrey connection is something we manifested from. think it would. But I think like specifically when you called Cass Canadian Amanda Kimmel and I saw the three of them together like it makes so much sense in my mind. It's so synonymous that they're like, well listen, all we need is Amanda. Huh, this is Amanda from the great white north. Let's just bring her in and that yes, I think Lisa is a part of this, but I think this really cemented this episode that these are the three, you know? And I guess maybe is a Lisa and Natalie Bolton type. I just feel like Lisa wasn't there when they found. the key. She was the only one they went out of their way to tell when she hadn't been there. They make her a part of the plan. She's so cute in this moment. She's like, oh, that's great. That's so good. Like, it's just, it's wonderful. Lisa, just, oh, my God. Lisa's just me if I was on the season, but so much nicer than me. It's so good. That's another big prediction we made of like, oh yeah, Lisa's going to be the fan analog. I don't think we realized

how much that label would be appropriate until these first three episodes. Yeah, it's been, it's been so good. But I do think we, we did. see this woman's alliance happening, but the difference between Cass and Amanda Kimwell's cast is like, I lost at one final tribal council, I'm not looking to do it again. And so she's learned from it and she's not sharing the idol, which is like, I don't really blame the women to that. She did the same thing, uh, at least, you know, she tells Parvary. Yeah, she told Barb. So, but I, I do think that I don't blame the women here. Like, it's not their fault that Cass was beaten unanimously. Like, she's trying to make a name for herself. I love that she's learned. It's

the kind of thing where two things are found in this episode and they use completely differently. And I really enjoy both. Like it works for each game. Like if Cass wants to keep it to herself and try to make a big individual move, which she needs to do because she's playing from behind, do it. Great. Like you need to make a name for yourself and it's not about making a group. Pardy's leading from the front. So she needs numbers.

She needs protection. She needs to consolidate. And she does that so well with the idol. So they both do really well in these completely different approaches to finding the idol. That's another thing where everyone's always like, it's a golden rule on Survivor. Like, never tell anyone. It's like, no, it's not a golden rule. It's situational. And it's literally

differently situational on this beach in this episode on one tribe of six people because they come from different vantage points. And that just proves that. Yeah, I mean, listen, not to peek too much into, you know, seasons that are to come later in this year. But, you know, I have been going over a bunch of my preseason interviews for Survivor 49. And something that I commonly ask people was like, if you find something, are you telling someone about it? And I think almost always what people said was like, on paper, no, but it can be used as a key piece of information to bridge a connection with your ally. When information is currency, yeah, exactly.

It's in this case, quite literally. But yeah, it's like, you know, you can operate independently. You could be a Rachel Lamont, but at the same time, like, if you want to use this to sort of build a bridge with somebody, it's a very easy way to do so.

And again, the fun irony of all this is that Tony starts the episode being like, we're going on a key hunt, whoever finds it open in front of everybody, so we'll make this a tribe thing, we'll make it a tribe thing. You know, Syrian poverty or like, poverty in particular is like,

listen, I saw what JT did in my Heroes vs. Villains. Like, we're not doing any tribe idol. But it does serve as a communal power just for a smaller group within the tribe, right? It's not a thing for the tribe. It's going to be a thing for these three

people in particular. And it leads to this incredible moment, you know, this key cliffhanger going into a commercial break. I can't help it, change. I'm lost my mind. But this goes to show why I think public advantages are so much fun.

Yes, it could definitely hamper gameplay sometimes to be like, okay, I know so-and-so has this thing. But even just the short-term adrenaline you get from like the bird cage idol, even from like the thing where you sneak away to someone else's camp and get something to get an idol, like there's just this inherent thrill that activates inside my reptile brain when there's this tense moment of like, oh my god the box is unlocked and tony is right there is he going to see parvety and serri are sweating bullets right now she's sitting on the box that just activates something from a storytelling

perspective where after tony is able to leave they like let out a collective sigh as do we all to be like okay lock up the box open it up later find out what it is so it was such a fun sequence and it winds up producing something that if and when it gets activated is also going to activate a Leo moment for Tony and Parvety. Shannon, at long last, Palesa's idol has the dread. There's so much here. Yeah, the Palesa Idol. So Survivor South Africa lives.

We lost Rob Bantelay, but it was unfair the Survivor South Africa franchise. I was like, oh, it's a bit upsetting if people won't go watch Survivor South Africa now because he lasted one episode. The Palesa Idol, which Adam was talking about on winners at war, that he thought that the Flutterly was a post-a-old. idol like Pellessa had taken the podium idol in 2018 survival South Africa. He was calling it the Pallessa idol in confessionals. That did not make the edit for some reason. I don't know why

that. And he's referenced it to make it because he is the Lisa of winners at war. And it wasn't an idol. But now, yeah. Well, he's the the Adam Lisa or the Sopolis. But anyway, the point is that it's here now. Luckily, Poverty has already shared it because she's going to have to do this very, very public thing. And that's a fun thing, right? Like, we liked them, but Lesotha did it. She did it as a cucumber. Well, that's the fun thing, too, is that because this is so public, now we are sort of

going to get a Black Widow Brigade sequel in multiple ways, not only with the composition of this woman's alliance, but the fact that they're going to have to pull off some sort of heights, right? Now, granted, this can't be a sort of like behind-the-scenes height. And yes, you love it, bringing that chestnut back, because... Yeah, it's been years, but it's in my reptile. brain. But someone's going to have to stand up and obviously grab the idol

from the podium. They can't necessarily do it surreptitiously. But there could still be fun elements involved where Surrey and Cass and Lisa and Parvety as well. I mean, I don't know who's going to be able to grab this idol and possession is nine-tenths of the law. So I think that's going to be maybe a very interesting point here

as to like who gets the idol and who keeps it. But whatever role they have to play, there is still, I think, a group mentality of this of like, all right, we have to kind of suss out when we can do this and if it is needed. To put it in Pandora's box is really intriguing to me because this was something that was available to both tribes, right? And this is going back to Australian All-Stars where you had Henry and you had Matt Rogers, you know, going out to that buoy in the

opening. And that idol that was also available at tribal council, granted, it was sort of like hanging in the background instead of right up in front in the podium, could have been taken by either tribe. I think that's a very interesting concept because I think we're so using. two, you know, separate but equal idols placed at each camp and we obviously still get those this season. This is more so a, hey, up for grabs with both tribes. So the point where part of me kind of wishes as much as the box mechanic was fun, this was information available to both tribes. And so now you have, especially in a double tribal council situation, like, who's going to grab the idol first from the podium? Yeah, that is interesting. I do think

it works from a structural perspective that they unlocked the key. You know, at first I thought, thought that Luke had an idol and then this tribe had the Palesa idol, which seemed really unfair. Right. Because that's really tough. Like, he didn't even find a clue. Like he just found the idol. And I was like, no, but you've wanted it. It shouldn't be tougher.

It made more sense once Cass found their actual idol. Both beaches have an idol. It's fair. And they chose the box, or Rob chose the box over Flint, over a top, over all these other things. Isn't that? Well, let me just talk about that irony as well, that Rob has first choice, picks the box. And as a result, he ends up. bringing an idol from his own season into the game.

Well, not from his season, from his franchise. From his series, I should say. To poverty. To poverty, yeah. So there's a lot going on there. It's like the spirit of Survivor South Africa lived in the box in so many different ways. So, yeah, that was great.

But no, I think that this is actually, this makes sense, but it could be just two idols and then both could find a clue and then whoever gets their first. And then whenever you have a tribal idol where that's true of them, it's like, whoever goes to tribal council actually gets like a gain.

So then you throw challenges. Like that becomes an interesting thing. And also just the image of the tribe that goes second and you have someone walking up to the podium and like looking around for something and not finding it. Tell me that it's not television. Come on. I've seen it.

I saw Adam do it. And then you say worth a shot. It wasn't anything, guys. And it just did the exact same thing. Yeah, but it's either that. It's like a combination of that and the Jason Siska epping stick where it's like, okay, I couldn't find it. So therefore, somebody on the other tribe has the idol.

yeah but this is fine don't hide any more idols this is fine this has been a fine 14 people starting off yeah that's enough we're done three out of 11 right now I mean maybe they're hoping that you know they expend one

but again with only one vote seemingly until the merge on each tribe there's a chance we might hang on to them now I guess the downside of having such a public idol is that when somebody grabs it everyone's gonna know even if it's at like a pre-merged tribal

that information's goal going to be communicated to the other tribe. And so maybe they feel like, okay, that'll be an easy way to like flush that idol early on. But yeah, I mean, just to reset the board a bit, we have Luke, very private idol, even his closest ally doesn't know about it. Cass, very private idol, even if her closest ally doesn't know about it. Imagine if they recruit Cass to grab the idol from the podium.

That would be absolutely incredible. Cass found out an idol in her own season. Yeah, she was pretty powerful. but as she said, she's got to take the killer shot now. I like that she knows to do that. So what are your prediction? So because they're going to a double tribal, I feel like that puts them at nine.

So they'll definitely merge after that, right? Like this is a survivor feeling where we're accidentally merging at eight. Yeah. So then my hope would be final two and seven person jury, but I don't know if the days work out. That's going to be hard. Yeah, because we're already what on day six, I think? Days and episodes make that impossible.

Yeah, which are the double boost. like this. Which I hope not. Like if we're doing a double bit, we have to do a double boot. I'm so glad it happens pre-merge. I hate when we do it post-merge because it involves them. No, but we're losing them. I know, I know. But we're going to lose them no matter what.

No, I want him longer. But I do, so I do think that, I mean, maybe there's a chance that we get sort of like what we occasionally get on Survivor U.S., which is like the second, oh, well, it's sort of like when we get in the new area with that split tribal council, right? We're like, the tribe that goes second, get someone on the jury, and we get like a jury of seven with a final three. Right.

I mean, we couldn't, we could do a jury of eight. Everyone on the, who's in the game right now could have made the jury for all we know. I think everyone on the whole freaking season should have made the jury. I thought they were going to say to Rob Bentley, like stick around, like make every legend stay on the, I wanted that.

See, I disagree. And I hate big juries, but this is a historic season. The concept on paper is fun. I don't like the idea of like, well, I've never interacted with you, but I'm going to try to vote for you to win. I hate that, usually, but I'll make an exception for the history. So looking at the world Because I think

Wait but why do you hate Why do you hate The post-merge doubles Instead of the pre-merge Because it always involves some sort of like Aha but tonight there's a twist We're voting again It always involves some sort of thing

As opposed to this is a very easy concept of like Okay you have a chance at individual immunity Both tribes are going I think that's the simplest A way to do it And I think if anything these first three episodes Are teaching us like the concept of let the players play But you and I think I've sort of settled on

Maybe Kirby maybe Shawnee is the one most in trouble for Australia. I think World and unfortunately also settles upon two very specific people. I think we are losing one of the teas here. Shannon Testosterone and Tony slash Tommy.

Yes, which would be crazy because there'd be two men left after four episodes, which would be the season we've a lot of Twitter to be fair has probably wanted in their mind. I think I'm concerned

for Tony that a lot of the things that were keeping him protected will be done because they'll assume there's a merge so they don't need him physically anymore and he's been really trying the challenges and then also like if the US like if from a US perspective they wanted to kind of keep that strong and really protected and they might be like well we're definitely merging next and he's not a priority we said we keep him good to merge but we're about to merge and the girls are what we're actually doing so I am concerned it becomes down to what a group wants to protect their guy more in terms of Tony and Tommy. And I don't know that

Parvin Sarri really want to keep Tony at the point where it's like the first premage vote but like say it ain't so. I refuse. I will not. I know.

It would be awful. Especially because to your point like Tony is not, Tony's had some very fun antics, of course, like the clip of, you know,

him very glibly approaching Surrey and Parvety who just goes, it's Rob, as Robin, him walking away has already, you know,

made its way around the internet. But as Tony talks about in this episode, he's very much playing this first stage Winners of War game of like trying to lie low, not wanting to stick out too much, maybe hoping that like, you know, things look grim, but maybe he can throw Tommy to the wolves, ironically enough, should they go next time. But I think you make a lot of really solid points that I think,

again, if this entire pre-merch has been about big game hunting, he obviously is a much bigger target than Tommy. I don't think he's necessarily a shield for Surrey and Parvety, especially given the group that they already have. I think especially if they're going for this very public idol. They could feel like that's information that Tony is going to communicate to other people and could be incredibly dangerous. And I mean, also from a meta perspective, we haven't seen anything from Tommy. You know, like, when you look at like the Rob Bentley edit from episode one, you're like, okay, this makes a lot of sense in retrospect because this is going to be his big flame out episode. You want to milk as much out of that as possible. Like, if Tommy were to go in

the next episode, that would maybe feel like the really first big miss of Australia versus the world, we're like, I don't know, in general, with the editing, Australian Survivor editing is always kind of a tickey tech thing. You know, we have been, despite being an hour and a half long episodes and having only 14 people in the game, they have largely stuck to the formula of like, hey, if you're not going to tribal council, you're not going to be seen in the second half of the episode. And it does kind of suck at the disservice of someone like Tommy and up to this episode cast who have like largely not been shown at all or given any sort of perspective. So part of me is also kind of ring between the lines and is like, is the

reason why we're getting so much Tony content, not just because of the name and reputation that he brings, but because, like, we know we're going to lose him soon. And so let's get as much out of him as possible. Yeah, I don't feel good about Shawnee. I think it's Shawnee or Tony or maybe Tommy. I kind of, yeah, which is weird because all the names are so similar to each other. But I, yeah, I kind of think Johnny or Tony, which is, it's funny because at the beginning of this podcast, I was like, you're bound to lose legends. You're still left with legends. let's try and be positive and now I'm like I quit I quit the season I quit the podcast I'm out so go out on go out on top I'll always have these first three episodes

pull a rabbit out of the hat because it's not looking good and it's double tribal and even though you've made great points but why they make this ends in a pre-emerge it's probably the perfect spot to put it then at the end of the pre-merge I'm still mad about it not to mention as well like as as as was acknowledged in this episode like you know Australia is already kind of losing numbers at this point and great that they'll still be down in numbers entering the merge but this at least allows World to have to get a little bit more blood on their hands right before the merge, right? How many times have we seen like a tribe goes to tribal council in its first episode

doesn't go back for the rest of the pre-merge and comes in completely united? It does seem like, you know, if World kept winning, they would still come into the merge as a very united block. This could be an opportunity to potentially form some cracks there where Australians are not necessarily just going to be lamps to the slaughter. Yeah, yeah, it extends the pre-merge and makes them actually have to play more of the game. made really good points and I'm so mad about it because I want to be I want to be unjustifiably angry about it even though it makes a lot of sense.

Anyway, it's fine. I'll find something else to be mad about. Let's do the chizzy. Take it away Jacob's Egg of Weinstein and MC Color. One, two, three. One, one, one, one, one, three, one, one, three, one, two, three. It's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of chisyzy. Three, two, one. What did your ancestors really do all day? Beyond names, what were their lives like?

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I'll work my way up here. I will give one point to Cass. Now, it's very rare that we give points to, you know, the tribe that doesn't attend tribal council, especially one that had such complicated strategy as this one. But the fact of the matter is she found an idol. And as you talked about, she has the wherewithal to know that she's going to keep this quiet. She seems to show at least on paper some motivation to, change her game, which I know was your primary worry about coming into this season for her.

It was like she's a great all-around player. Her fatal flaw is that she's too loyal, and now she's able to actually acknowledge that. So I think she's in an incredibly good position here. So I will give her one point. I am going to give, oh, this is tough. I will give two points to... I'll give two points to... I'll give two points to... Luke. So I think that Luke was somebody who, as you teased before, through little maneuvers, was able to help exploit the crack, you know, was able to help save himself, was able to save Janine, and then also, I think, shore him and Janine up. Now, not to, like, besmirch Janine whatsoever, I'm going to give her an honorable mention, but I think that he was at least

personified as the one that was able to leverage these relationships, was able to, you know, keep this idle information as secret and be able to, like, really try to work with and against George to help take advantage of the situation that was being placed in front of them, also due to his own actions. This might be controversial given the fact that you are teasing her up as a next boot. I really think it's going to be curvy over Shawnee, so I will give Shawnee the three. I personally think it's logically sound to have her get rid of George for the reasons I described before. I don't think she's in direct danger over somebody like Kirby. And I think the fact that, you know, much like I imagine you lauded Kirby in the David vote in episode two.

The fact of the matter is, Shawnee walked into this episode with like a plan of, hey, I want to get rid of George and was able to utilize a lot of the elements that she had and partially what George was able to do in terms of self-sabotaging to make this thing work. And so, again, I tend to use this to acknowledge the moves that people make in the episode rather than maybe long-term planning. And so I want to give her her flowers for the fact that she has now been able to take out aria stark style both of her enemies from her previous seasons yeah i mean look i love all these

players i want to give them more chizzy points i feel like for me shonny is in a hard spot here in like who to keep around based on like the reality of sarah coming for her that blind spot worries me her being split on in her own plan and not even being in like the talks of the four of them that they were having also concerns me like she was driving it in name which does add to an already extensive of reputation, but I actually don't know that I give her as much of the credit, and I'm not as high on it for her, although, you would think always taking out George makes sense, but yeah, it's kind of hard when there are things that it might be even more worrying than George for her. Kobe's very powerful. She makes the decision, but again, puts herself in a tough

spot. It's a tweena. Like, it's, you know, she has to keep Shawnee, but, like, there are issues with keeping Shawnee. And I think that also it's coming home to roost in terms of the ungraceful social pushing that we were worried about before. So that makes it tough. I'm really glad that you gave cast a point. I'll give her an honorable mention because I think that was great, as I described. Sarah has the right idea,

but she can't pull it off in terms of the capitals. I can't give her to her. I would give three points to Luke. He kept his idol. He's in a great spot here. He got out an enemy who was not treating him very nicely. I think he and Jeannie went from the bottom to the top. I will give Janine two points.

But the reason I'm going Luke over Janine is, again, I think that he really soaked those flames in a great way. Um, yeah, like, without that info, Shawnee really shouldn't go for George. Like, without the info that George was going to vote for Johnny, which Johnny is correctly reading that Luke's telling the truth on, then I was between her voting, you know, for George anyway. Like, then she's, I feel like, really making the wrong decision,

but she has the right read to trust Luke and George was going for Shawnee, which makes that a better move. And I think Luke's doing a lot of that, and he's kept his idol through this as well. So I'm giving him three, Janine two. I'll give a little bit of love to poverty on the one. You know, I've been giving love to Tony at the bottom, and he's doing worse than I thought poverty is doing really, really well, finding the key, using it to consolidate another Black Widow Brigade. You know how far back this is going to set women's alliances.

I know. We've been dealing with it for decades. Women won't even be allowed to look at each other after the season. Now, to be fair, maybe American survivors, the diehards that they are, the ones that are cast on these new era seasons, will have seen this and will take action against it. Good news is the people that are usually cast on Australian Survivor have not seen previous. season, so they'll be like, uh, you know, as we're talking, as was recently announced, you know, the current, the next season is currently filming. So they have no idea this is happening at all. Well, the new era, they were probably spoiled. The new era is, but they didn't, they're

fine. But like the new era is screwed, okay? Women's alliances were set back in 2008. This is like if Robin Amber would have come back on the show and then just fall in love again, renew their vows, get to the end again. How did you let this happen? And then the power duos are done again. So that's what we've done with women's alliances. Poverty, it works for you, and then for decades, no one else. It's wonderful. We need a bit of a refresh. You know, people say that we're living in a reboot revival culture. And so I will say the reboot of Black Widow Brigade looks a little different, but I'm here for the changes that are made. This is Blacko, Widow Wittor Brigadeo. Like, Ryerson for a year Friday. Wonderful film, by the way. That was better

than it should have been. It was so good. Yeah, okay, so those are the points. What else? Mike, do you have stuff to plug? How are we thinking right now after the first week in terms of Chizzy Points? It's a question for another day when I know that. We don't know a podcast. I don't get the charts.

I don't know. Yeah, I really, you know, Kobe got a bunch. I was having them in the first episode. So Rie got six. Okay. So it got three. It'll be worked out on the charts.

Tune in. So I show with Rob. Wonderful plugging that, yeah. Which is good because I think that, you know, then it seems like the leaders in the clubhouse kind of coming out this week sound like, you know, a three, Luke. It's very varied. It's very, very, which is good.

Because again, especially from an Australian survivor perspective, that we tend to kind of focus the story and strategic power over a few select players, even within the first week. Doesn't seem to be the case here. And even if we feel like the boots are lined up primed to go in this next episode, I think this season is, I mean, it is far from over. We still have seven episodes. But at the same time, I think even from like a competitive perspective,

especially given the theme that has emerged in these first few episodes, of like getting rid of the big targets, that makes things a bit more dangerous for even the leader in the clubhouse with these type of things. So it's just been such an amazing start to this season that makes me so freaking elated to be a fan of this franchise. Like what an incredible celebration

of what this show has brought into our lives over the past quarter of a century. It has been nothing but incredible to watch these people get to interact with each other as is the case usually when we start these all-star seasons. Dare I say this is one of these strongest stars to an all-star season maybe we've ever had. Like even Heroes versus Villains

had a couple of like pretty, you know, straightforward wrote votes in the beginning. I might say Australia versus the world came out to a hotter start than Heroes versus Villains often regarded as the greatest returning season of all time. That's surpassing even the biggest expectations. But Mike, it's your birthday in Australia right now. We passed aventure birthday.

Yeah, it'll be my birthday and my birthday in the rest of the world by the time this comes out. In both Australia and America. It'll be, yeah, this is my Australia birthday and now when it comes out, it'll be my world birthday. Yeah, and that's perfect. Can we use that term now? Happy, happy Australian birthday and happy world birthday.

That's what it is for me, by the way. No, thank you for being the best person alive. Thank you. I mean, listen, I will say the same to you. I'm incredibly honored. And, you know, thank you for bringing me back on as a recap, bitch. This has been such a carnal thing. Thank you to everyone on Australia versus the world for giving me such an incredible gift to salivate over for the past few days.

And hopefully more to come. You know, we're a third of the way through a 10-course meal right now. And I'm not full. I'm not getting full anytime soon. Yeah, well, I've had a gift. I wanted to thank the listeners. I came into the season one day ago. It started one calendar day ago for me.

me one australia day lives yes um no but i genuinely came into the season feeling like really down on myself yesterday but it's been a big day um i was really doubting myself i felt very invalidated by certain clear public things

um and also the season is so big like everyone's talking about it everyone's watching it everyone's broadcasting about it everyone's making content and i was like who am i you know like what are we doing? Does anyone care about this? And I felt like so irrelevant. And I'm like, is this content doing anything for anyone? And then today, I saw that we were number three on the charts in all of Australian TV and film. You know, I saw that the numbers were great on YouTube. I'm probably going to look into what the numbers are generally, which I don't usually do, but it just meant

so much to me. So thank you to the listeners for restoring my faith a little bit when I was being a bit upset about it, just in my own head about it. And thank you for choosing to be with us, because there are options, to be honest. And if you're choosing to experience this historic season with us, we greatly appreciate you. I greatly appreciate you. It means more than you could ever know. And I just want to thank the listeners for a great first week.

They say, usually when I want a plane lands, you can choose any flight you want to. So we're happy you chose our airline. And I think ironic, given the fact that RGP is now available on American Airlines, but it is incredibly, you know, gratitude filled to be able to serve as, any sort of like modicum of coverage for what people check out around this historic season.

And all lays at your fee, Shannon. I think that you deserve every single accolade that you receive, considering the amount of investment you have had in this season already, all the work you put in to get into it. I think it has paid off in dividends, considering all the incredible stuff we've seen so far, is so much subsidized and, you know, held up by all the great stuff you did filling us in about these players, either a month. us or giving us a bunch of new information about some of these people coming in, where it gives us so much needed context to break down this fantastic season even further. So I think you deserve all the credit in the world for what you have done in the past for

Australian Survivor, what you have done for this season, and what you will continue to do. We are, you know, again, that's why the Salisa Surrey comparison is very much, you know, reversed back to you, is that I am so happy to have you not only in my life, getting to helm all of this truly once-in-a-lifetime coverage of this once-in-a-lifetime season. Yeah, Mike, it's your birthday. Like, I don't know. Like, I wrote my birthday card really didn't get lost in the mail because I send it on Express Post. Like, it should really, but I love you the most.

I love you. Anyway, thank you. We have many things. We have a Rob Bentley ex-interview. That's already up. We will have a George X-Mterview. We did not get a David X-Index interview, and I think it's fair. David is the host of the show.

They announced it. we're going to do a reality flash right after this. It should be out. Yeah, it should be out by the time that you're listening to this. Shannon and I are going to break down the news that was officially released by Channel 10 following David's boot, that he will be the next host of Australian Survivor after rampant speculation. So if you want a little bit more information as to what that means, David's previous experience hosting reality TV, check that out, the reality flash.com.

Yeah, so that will be out. So then we've got all three of these recaps are out. we have the show with Rob that's coming up as well follow me at Janet Gates on blue sky, Twitter, Instagram we knowglobalsurvivor.com for all of that so that you don't miss it. I hear that it's in the

top three on the Apple podcast chart so the well the recap was so thank you so much for all of that. The Chizzy raffle which has been out for one day has raised $350 the last time I checked. So we're doing well on the Chizzy Raffle if you want to enter that. I've posted about that

as well. It's $10 Australian dollars one ticket, 25 for three tickets to help some cats and really do something very good with this community and either steal my finale points or the recap bitch is finale points. So, Mike, you got to donate so you can get all the points. That feels a little like entering your own raffle, you know? Like, it feels like it's going to a great cause, but at the same time, it feels a little bit against the spirit of the game. I entered already.

And my mom's going to enter and she said that if she wins, she wants to give cheesy points. I see, listen, I would love that. That would be great. How much do you think she would, like, be able to work with your suggestions versus, like, her saying, no, mother knows best. I'm giving my own points. She would be like, she wouldn't listen to me. She would have her own things and they would not be strategy related.

It would just be like, I just love her. I just love him. And she's so nice. I mean, listen, if you want to give points to Jonathan LaPalia on his way out the door. She would. She would give all six of her points. think you can you can do it you can if you want now they're all going to do that that might be

the main appeal to a lot of people here jlp deserves his points this is the way you can do so people my mom would give all her points to jonathan that is true it would be mostly on a hotness scale and I'm saying that about my mom and it's simply quite true it's just how she would give her chilly points we talked about this when we watched freak here Friday

we were like what would change about our lives I'm like you could do my job my job's easy if we swap bodies and she was like I'm like but it would be a lot of just like thirsting over jLP in the podcast that's how you'd know. Just know. If I'm ever overly thirsting of a JLP, I'm accidentally my mom. I'm just saying it now. I'm thinking we're getting

off a single that you're a freaky Friday with your mom that this is the red flag you're sending up. There will be signs. Mike, do you have things to plug? Yeah, so we talked about, you know, the upcoming news that's coming or should I say news that has already passed on the reality flash. Also did a couple of reality flashes this past week. One about

the cast of the Amazing Race that was released this past week for this fall season that will feature all Big Brother contestants. I also did one about the Traders, U.S., announcing a new civilian-only version that will be coming in addition to the celebrity version in the fall. Speaking of Big Brother, I'm covering that from a season 27 perspective, doing weekly exit press.

And as I mentioned before, Survivor 49, we are approaching about a month until the season premieres. And so whenever that cast releases, you know I have a but ton of content coming your way in the form of preseason interviews and much more. But other than that, random musings at a Mike Bloom type. Wonderful. Well, I love you, Mike. I love you all. Thank you guys for a fun week of recap. I'm going to you a kiss because my hands are free.

My cat, my hands. This has been great. This is so fun. And thank you all. Thank you all. Thank you for our team behind the scenes. And I will see you next time. One million pounds. Million. Million. Shkali. All the million. Trives boat. Shepo.

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